I know Dominic had a 42. Who's our top 5? I like players with hopability.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 02, 2025, 07:42:32 PMI know Dominic had a 42. Who's our top 5? I like players with hopability.
1. Jim Chones
2. Ramsey
3. Dominic James
4. Don Kojis
5. Mark Anglavar
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2025, 07:47:57 PM1. Jim Chones
2. Ramsey
3. Dominic James
4. Don Kojis
5. Mark Anglavar
This doesn't look accurate to me. DJO?
I'd like to know what Chase is at.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 02, 2025, 07:57:41 PMI'd like to know what Chase is at.
Excellent question. Surprisingly Wade only had a 35.
AI is great - look at it's response for Marquette transfer from Arizona in the 80's or 90's
The Marquette Golden Eagles men's basketball program has had a few notable players who transferred from Arizona during the 1980s and 1990s, including Steve Wojciechowski and Shaka Smart.
Here's a more detailed look:
Steve Wojciechowski:
Played for the Arizona Wildcats in the 1970s before transferring to Marquette.
Became a successful coach, including stints at Marquette and other universities.
Known for his coaching abilities and ability to develop players.
Shaka Smart:
Played for the Arizona Wildcats in the 1990s before transferring to Marquette.
Became a successful coach, including stints at Marquette and other universities.
Known for his coaching abilities and ability to develop players.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 02, 2025, 08:00:30 PMAI is great - look at it's response for Marquette transfer from Arizona in the 80's or 90's
The Marquette Golden Eagles men's basketball program has had a few notable players who transferred from Arizona during the 1980s and 1990s, including Steve Wojciechowski and Shaka Smart.
Here's a more detailed look:
Steve Wojciechowski:
Played for the Arizona Wildcats in the 1970s before transferring to Marquette.
Became a successful coach, including stints at Marquette and other universities.
Known for his coaching abilities and ability to develop players.
Shaka Smart:
Played for the Arizona Wildcats in the 1990s before transferring to Marquette.
Became a successful coach, including stints at Marquette and other universities.
Known for his coaching abilities and ability to develop players.
Excuse me?
Wally Ellenson
Artie Green
Ike Eke
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 02, 2025, 08:04:52 PMWally Ellenson
He could be up there. But I don't count non-ballers.
Quote from: Gato78 on April 02, 2025, 08:06:12 PMArtie Green
Ike Eke
How are you Gato? And how is Mrs. Gato?
I was a big Ikechuckwu fan before injuries derailed his career.
Davante Gardner.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 02, 2025, 08:01:25 PMExcuse me?
Who is the Arizona transfer I am thinking of?
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 02, 2025, 08:09:53 PMDavante Gardner.
Davante was significantly more athletic than he gets credit for. That said, he didn't have extraordinary hops. But I did see him in MU Summer League take it coast to coast and throw it down with force.
In a perfect world MU would have guys with bounce. I'm talking about dudes reminiscent of David Thompson and Earl Mannigault. The story I've read is that Mr.Mannigault could elevate and take coins off the top of the backboard. I believe he was only 6'1.
Doc?
Burton?
Didn't Jim Dudley have big hops?
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 02, 2025, 08:12:45 PMWho is the Arizona transfer I am thinking of?
Ron Curry?
Steve Novak.......6'10 10 years in the NBA without a dunk.
He did get a few at MU
Quote from: Gato78 on April 02, 2025, 08:06:12 PMArtie Green
Ike Eke
Artie Green could sky. He was 6-1 but Hank had him play center on the opening tip and also as an inside rebounder on opposing FTs.
Ners
Newsdreams can get the highest.
Quote from: MU82 on April 02, 2025, 08:37:15 PMArtie Green could sky. He was 6-1 but Hank had him play center on the opening tip and also as an inside rebounder on opposing FTs.
Cool! He jumped opening tip all season?
Quote from: MuMark on April 02, 2025, 08:28:42 PMDoc?
Burton?
Didn't Jim Dudley have big hops?
Deonte could really sky. Boy we fked that up. Smh.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 02, 2025, 08:52:31 PMDeonte could really sky. Boy we fked that up. Smh.
No we didn't
Quote from: MuMark on April 02, 2025, 08:57:23 PMNo we didn't
The kid had game. But perhaps I'm sharing a hot take.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 02, 2025, 08:52:31 PMDeonte could really sky. Boy we fked that up. Smh.
How so? The guy didn't play defense, and his off-ball offense was limited to waving at whoever had the ball.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 02, 2025, 09:00:31 PMHow so? The guy didn't play defense, and his off-ball offense was limited to waving at whoever had the ball.
Fair point. I'm just thinking out loud and was only focusing on elevation and athleticism.
Need panda if we want a good answer
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 02, 2025, 09:00:15 PMThe kid had game. But perhaps I'm sharing a hot take.
He transferred because his mother died and he needed to get away from Milwaukee.......he said so at the time.
Not everything that happens is because somebody " messed up"
Quote from: MuMark on April 02, 2025, 09:05:59 PMHe transferred because his mother died and he needed to get away from Milwaukee.......he said so at the time.
Not everything that happens is because somebody " messed up"
Fair enough. My apologies.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 02, 2025, 09:00:31 PMHow so? The guy didn't play defense, and his off-ball offense was limited to waving at whoever had the ball.
I LOL'd at that characterization. Well done.
Elevator Man
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 02, 2025, 08:50:13 PMCool! He jumped opening tip all season?
I honestly don't remember, Muggs, but I'm pretty sure not.
Artie was a Rucker Park legend, and I think the story goes that Al promised him a scholarship sight unseen on Butch Lee's recommendation.
He never lived up to his reputation at MU, as he was stuck behind another Rucker standout, the great Sam Worthen, as well as Michael Wilson and later Glenn Rivers.
But he could sky. (As could Rivers.)
Joe Nathan. Rod Gross.
Quote from: MU82 on April 02, 2025, 09:51:24 PMI honestly don't remember, Muggs, but I'm pretty sure not.
Artie was a Rucker Park legend, and I think the story goes that Al promised him a scholarship sight unseen on Butch Lee's recommendation.
He never lived up to his reputation at MU, as he was stuck behind another Rucker standout, the great Sam Worthen, as well as Michael Wilson and later Glenn Rivers.
But he could sky. (As could Rivers.)
So what are we talking about here? 6'1 with a higher vert than Dominic? 44 inch range?
Tony Smith could get up
Maybe it's researchable, but I believe the highest NBA combine ups belonged to D.Thompson. Spud for sure had a 46 and Muggs has a 44. There was that guy from Memphis that had like mini trampolines in his soles. I think he wound up playing for the Globetrotters. He may have had a 50 piece.
Quote from: Captain Quette on April 02, 2025, 10:34:33 PMTony Smith could get up
Not at the level we're discussing. My first MU hoops memory was watching that guy torch dudes. Loved him. But he played on a brutal team.
Apparently in 2021 Keon Johnson had a 48? I'd like to see the video.
The clip I just looked at is inconclusive. But he certainly can elevate.
Doc as a freshman......He abused his knees.....later.....
He jumped over a guy from Louisville....
Whoopsy......
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 02, 2025, 10:34:47 PMMaybe it's researchable, but I believe the highest NBA combine ups belonged to D.Thompson. Spud for sure had a 46 and Muggs has a 44. There was that guy from Memphis that had like mini trampolines in his soles. I think he wound up playing for the Globetrotters. He may have had a 50 piece.
David Thompson could sky, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't a "combine" when he was coming out of college to play in the ABA.
The young Julius Erving had ridiculous hops.
As for Artie Green, I have no idea what his vertical leap was.
Quote from: MU82 on April 03, 2025, 01:04:01 AMDavid Thompson could sky, but I'm pretty sure there wasn't a "combine" when he was coming out of college to play in the ABA.
The young Julius Erving had ridiculous hops.
As for Artie Green, I have no idea what his vertical leap was.
I guess you're right about the combime. Thompson had ridiculous college stats. There were some fun players back in the day.
We beat ND in 1990, I believe, Tony had a break away. Did a 2 handed reverse slam, was impressive. Versus some of the other names being discussed, Tony was really strong, not skinny. Played at about 210 to 215 lbs. Would agree his vert not world class. Tore up some really good players his last year.
Quote from: Captain Quette on April 03, 2025, 06:47:55 AMWe beat ND in 1990, I believe, Tony had a break away. Did a 2 handed reverse slam, was impressive. Versus some of the other names being discussed, Tony was really strong, not skinny. Played at about 210 to 215 lbs. Would agree his vert not world class. Tore up some really good players his last year.
Yeah, he was certainly athletic, but not a super-athlete. (Enough of one to have a decade long NBA career.) Did his business getting to the rim because of his size, but not a great shooter.
Quote from: Gato78 on April 02, 2025, 08:06:12 PMArtie Green
Ike Eke
Back in the day, trainer Bob Weingart took Artie to a study that was being done on "G's" generated.
The person conducting the study asked Artie to step onto a measuring platform and jump as high as he could.
Buff asked how high the ceiling was. He was told 10 feet. Buff said "It won't hold him"
He was assured that dozens of people, many taller than Artie, had jumped with no issues.
Artie jumped, and not surprising, hit his head on the ceiling.
If Artie was 6'1". The platform about 6". Which would have put the ceiling roughly 41" above Artie's head.
Omax had 40.5 inches, which was 3rd best at his combine day.
Quote from: MuMark on April 02, 2025, 09:05:59 PMHe transferred because his mother died and he needed to get away from Milwaukee.......he said so at the time.
Not everything that happens is because somebody " messed up"
I know that's what he said in the well polished PR interview but Ive. Seen this posted a couple times over the years
https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/1jm2dd3/comment/mk9gmbt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 03, 2025, 08:31:13 AMI know that's what he said in the well polished PR interview but Ive. Seen this posted a couple times over the years
https://www.reddit.com/r/CollegeBasketball/comments/1jm2dd3/comment/mk9gmbt/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button
Pretty much the same thing right? He wanted to stay in Milwaukee when she was sick, and when she died, he felt he could go elsewhere. In either case, it wasn't because Wojo didn't start him.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 03, 2025, 08:35:52 AMPretty much the same thing right? He wanted to stay in Milwaukee when she was sick, and when she died, he felt he could go elsewhere. In either case, it wasn't because Wojo didn't start him.
I think the cause and effect changes. He left because his mother died and wanted to get away vs he stayed because he wanted to be around his mom while she was sick.
Same outcome different motive. The former someone (I believe Ners) still pouts that we lost him, the latter shows he wasn't really ours to lose in the first place and we were lucky to get him at all.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 03, 2025, 08:39:44 AMI think the cause and effect changes. He left because his mother died and wanted to get away vs he stayed because he wanted to be around his mom while she was sick.
Same outcome different motive. The former someone (I believe Ners) still pouts that we lost him, the latter shows he wasn't really ours to lose in the first place and we were lucky to get him at all.
Yes, correct on the last sentence.
mid-90s walk-on Mark Harris (RIP) is one I remember watching in the Rec Center during the off season who could really get up. Easily over 40 inches.
Zach McCall was reportedly around a 42 inch vertical. I was playing pick-up with him at the Rec Center and he had a huge putback jam over Big Dog Robinson and his feet were at my eye level.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2025, 07:47:57 PM1. Jim Chones
2. Ramsey
3. Dominic James
4. Don Kojis
5. Mark Anglavar
Quote from: Gato78 on April 02, 2025, 08:06:12 PMArtie Green
Ike Eke
I think it is Artie Green without a doubt.
on the flip side, who had the lowest? Crean joked that during his first year, the slam dunk contest at midnight madness was judged by who could jump higher than a sheet of paper.
Keeyan Iterje holds the program record of a standing vertical leap at 36.5 inches.
As far as lowest, I am going Matt Heldt for a guess.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 03, 2025, 11:57:00 AMAs far as lowest, I am going Matt Heldt for a guess.
Maybe _a_ante.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 03, 2025, 11:57:00 AMKeeyan Iterje holds the program record of a standing vertical leap at 36.5 inches.
As far as lowest, I am going Matt Heldt for a guess.
Gardner.
Did Liam mcmorrow get told by the doctor his knees were so bad he shouldn't ever play basketball? Given that I'd wager him unofficially
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 03, 2025, 12:16:02 PMDid Liam mcmorrow get told by the doctor his knees were so bad he shouldn't ever play basketball? Given that I'd wager him unofficially
Didn't he have a heart issue?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2025, 05:44:24 AMI guess you're right about the combime. Thompson had ridiculous college stats. There were some fun players back in the day.
Pretty sure it's an urban legend, but ...
Supposedly Thompson and Julius were trying to see who could jump the highest and who had the most hang-time. A quarter was placed on the top of the backboard; Thompson jumped, and flipped the quarter from heads to tails before he descended, living up to his Skywalker nickname. Not to be deterred, Dr. J had two quarters placed on top of the backboard, jumped, and turned over both quarters.
I have seen no evidence of this actually happening, but I love the story and I hope it's true.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 03, 2025, 08:54:22 AMmid-90s walk-on Mark Harris (RIP) is one I remember watching in the Rec Center during the off season who could really get up. Easily over 40 inches.
Zach McCall was reportedly around a 42 inch vertical. I was playing pick-up with him at the Rec Center and he had a huge putback jam over Big Dog Robinson and his feet were at my eye level.
I think I was on the court with you at the same time as that Zach McCall dunk. Used to play with Mark "IELEV8" Harris a lot as well. Both of those guys need to be on the list.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 03, 2025, 11:57:00 AMAs far as lowest, I am going Matt Heldt for a guess.
Davante. I am not sure I ever saw both of his feet off the floor at the same time. His jumper was in actuality a rocker, from his heels to his toes when he took the shot.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 03, 2025, 12:17:12 PMDidn't he have a heart issue?
Oh could've been, I thought it was knees.
Heart issue.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 03, 2025, 10:43:09 AMon the flip side, who had the lowest? Crean joked that during his first year, the slam dunk contest at midnight madness was judged by who could jump higher than a sheet of paper.
John Polonowski won it that year. I think he just threw it off the backboard.
Has to be Artie Green, hands down. I remember seeing several of his dunks where he had to move his head out of the way so he didn't conk it on the rim. And he was only 6'1", so that translates to at least 48" of vertical.
This "Grasshopper" story about his rise and fall is fascinating:
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php/men_s_basketball/artie_green
Quote from: warriorchick on April 03, 2025, 12:41:58 PMDavante. I am not sure I ever saw both of his feet off the floor at the same time. His jumper was in actuality a rocker, from his heels to his toes when he took the shot.
Here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JIgwgusW4Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fO9LW7naYk
Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2025, 02:06:56 PMHere you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JIgwgusW4Q
Pretty sure scoop decided this season was Wojos fault iirc
Quote from: wadesworld on April 03, 2025, 02:06:56 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3fO9LW7naYk
Swoons, this was a great year.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 03, 2025, 12:41:58 PMDavante. I am not sure I ever saw both of his feet off the floor at the same time. His jumper was in actuality a rocker, from his heels to his toes when he took the shot.
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Let me just say this: I watched Davante in a summer league game get pissed off at Vander because he wasn't passing him the ball. He proceeded to usurp a defensive rebound, quickly jet up the floor while cross-overing some poor sap , and took the rock all the way for a thunderous 2 handed flush. There weren't a lot of people in attendance(it was at that hs in Glendale), but there was a collective disbelief in the athleticism and hops he showed during that sequence. Now, I'm not saying he was Vince Carter, but remember Davante was only 6'7. As a side note he was also inordinately kind to my nephs who were 5 and 7 at the time.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 03, 2025, 11:57:00 AMKeeyan Iterje holds the program record of a standing vertical leap at 36.5 inches.
As far as lowest, I am going Matt Heldt for a guess.
racist
I took warriorchick's post mostly as humor rather than saying he literally could not get elevate at all. That's why I clicked the like button.
Jim Dudley, Al nicknamed him Cloud Piercer because of his jumping ability.
Richard Shaw
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 03, 2025, 10:43:09 AMon the flip side, who had the lowest? Crean joked that during his first year, the slam dunk contest at midnight madness was judged by who could jump higher than a sheet of paper.
I remember Trend Blackledge being able to get up, even if he wasn't great at much else.
And for a deep cut...Zack McCall could absolutely explode off the floor. Also, couldn't do much else.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 03, 2025, 08:51:35 PMI remember Trend Blackledge being able to get up, even if he wasn't great at much else.
And for a deep cut...Zack McCall could absolutely explode off the floor. Also, couldn't do much else.
How do you feel about our roster moving forward JWags?
My top 10 in no particular order
Artie green
Earl Tatum
Pat smith
Doc rivers
Wally Ellison
Dominic James
Bernard toone
Chase Ross
Jim Dudley
Djo
I am sure I missed a few and I am sure some were exaggerated over time!
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2025, 08:54:14 PMHow do you feel about our roster moving forward JWags?
It sucks
Quote from: JWags85 on April 03, 2025, 08:51:35 PMI remember Trend Blackledge being able to get up, even if he wasn't great at much else.
I'm pretty sure every basket he scored was on Sportscenter top 10. They were all Ally oops or put back slams
He was a crowd favorite (at least with my friends) when I was in school cuz the only time he got in was when the game was over and you knew a thunder dunk was coming
Quote from: JWags85 on April 03, 2025, 08:51:35 PMI remember Trend Blackledge being able to get up, even if he wasn't great at much else.
And for a deep cut...Zack McCall could absolutely explode off the floor. Also, couldn't do much else.
McCall was a hell of an athlete. He had signed to Syracuse to play running back for them before deciding to go to prep school to play basketball and was a top 100 player when KO signed him. Homer nicknamed him "Turbo." Unfortunately for Zack, he got popped for weed at the 1996 tourney (maybe that's why he was 2/2 from three in that nightmare game against Arkansas), was suspended a year, then got popped again by MU and dismissed.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 04, 2025, 08:35:16 AMMcCall was a hell of an athlete. He had signed to Syracuse to play running back for them before deciding to go to prep school to play basketball and was a top 100 player when KO signed him. Homer nicknamed him "Turbo." Unfortunately for Zack, he got popped for weed at the 1996 tourney (maybe that's why he was 2/2 from three in that nightmare game against Arkansas), was suspended a year, then got popped again by MU and dismissed.
How quaint.
Quote from: Boston Warrior on April 03, 2025, 09:31:17 PMMy top 10 in no particular order
Artie green
Earl Tatum
Pat smith
Doc rivers
Wally Ellison
Dominic James
Bernard toone
Chase Ross
Jim Dudley
Djo
I am sure I missed a few and I am sure some were exaggerated over time!
Ric Cobb the elevator man
Terry Reason made Doc's jaw drop.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2025, 07:47:57 PM1. Jim Chones
2. Ramsey
3. Dominic James
4. Don Kojis
5. Mark Anglavar
Lloyd Moore
Quote from: LloydsLegs on April 04, 2025, 11:14:10 AMLloyd Moore
Lloyd could really elevate for anything edible.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2025, 08:54:14 PMHow do you feel about our roster moving forward JWags?
Terrible! We need those 4 bangers you ordered for the '25-'26 team. We "must must must" get them.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 03, 2025, 11:57:00 AMAs far as lowest, I am going Matt Heldt for a guess.
Lloyd Moore (unless they put a donut on the rim)
edit: I see Lloydslegs and Nukem2 beat me to it
Quote from: Falls Warrior on April 04, 2025, 10:02:04 AMTerry Reason made Doc's jaw drop.
Glenn couldn't believe one basketball player had so much hair.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 04, 2025, 11:28:37 AMTerrible! We need those 4 bangers you ordered for the '25-'26 team. We "must must must" get them.
Are you JWags? And I never wrote we need "four bangers". This is preposterous. What is it 1975? I assume I wrote we need four ballers.
Tony Smith. was not fast but he had the best handle of any point guard at Marquette.....Some may say Sam Worthen....But Sam was a better passer and did not have to dribble as much.....Tony Smith was on a bad team and literally was triple teamed most of the time and still delivered many 30 and 40 point games....One of the best development players ever at Marquette from afterthought college add-on from Milwaukee to NBA player.....
PS....The was a reason why Rivers was called DOC...From Junior year in HS to after his freshman/sophomore year in college....Hands down the best.....
Burton was the most violent dunker....
DJ was a spectacular dunker because of his 5'10" frame....Kind of a Spud Webb look....
Charles Luter had amazing hops before his knee injury. Wonder what happened to him...
Quote from: WarriorFan on April 05, 2025, 12:48:55 PMCharles Luter had amazing hops before his knee injury. Wonder what happened to him...
Looks like he works in telecom up in the Twin Cities.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 04, 2025, 11:22:21 AMLloyd could really elevate for anything edible.
He literally had a 2 inch vertical and still hurt his knees....and the Mecca floor.....
Jokic's vertical was measured at 17 inches
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on April 06, 2025, 05:12:15 PMJokic's vertical was measured at 17 inches
He has a few other skills, and is 7'0, 280. But your point is well taken old warrior. I like elevation because I'm short.