"Baseball is 90% mental. The other half is physical." - Yogi Berra
Happy Opening Day, everyone!
When you come to a fork in the road, take it.
Rough start to the season for Chourio.
1-161 still on the table for CWS.
Quote from: tower912 on March 27, 2025, 07:47:47 PM1-161 still on the table for CWS.
Brake up the Pale Hose. First time above .500 in two years.
Suck it, haters.
https://x.com/JayCuda/status/1905394126004027709
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 09:42:34 PMSuck it, haters.
https://x.com/JayCuda/status/1905394126004027709
I'm booking hotel rooms in LA for October. Any recommendations?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 27, 2025, 09:44:55 PMI'm booking hotel rooms in LA for October. Any recommendations?
The Magic Castle Hotel is on point. Unlimited free snacks by the pool, including soft serve ice cream.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 09:51:03 PMThe Magic Castle Hotel is on point. Unlimited free snacks by the pool, including soft serve ice cream.
;D
The Dodgers are off to a good start. Hope to see them keep plugging away, get some good pitching, and have Ohtani go 60/60 (it's a stretch goal). Can't wait for summer. Grab some seats somewhere in Loge 218 to 220, watch the sunset while eating a Dodger dog and drinking a cold beer. Life is good.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on March 28, 2025, 12:43:26 PMThe Dodgers are off to a good start. Hope to see them keep plugging away, get some good pitching, and have Ohtani go 60/60 (it's a stretch goal). Can't wait for summer. Grab some seats somewhere in Loge 218 to 220, watch the sunset while eating a Dodger dog and drinking a cold beer. Life is good.
Show up in the third inning, leave by the seventh; perfect amount of time for a dog and a beer. ;D
I'm in SD for a conference so catching a couple padres games this weekend. Cool ballpark and environment for opening day.
Am i pitching for the Brewers today?
Did Nestor serve as the BP pitcher while on the Yankees or is that just today?
Start of the Brewers game today - 3 pitches, 3 home runs. The 2 Brewer pitchers have ERA's of 36!
It hasn't gotten any better.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 29, 2025, 02:47:41 PMIt hasn't gotten any better.
From a comedy standpoint, I disagree
Hope Quintana and other injured pitchers are ready very very soon. Quintana the closest of the bunch.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 29, 2025, 01:32:57 PMDid Nestor serve as the BP pitcher while on the Yankees or is that just today?
Arguably their biggest addition of the offseason.
Quote from: SoCalEagle on March 28, 2025, 12:43:26 PMThe Dodgers are off to a good start. Hope to see them keep plugging away, get some good pitching, and have Ohtani go 60/60 (it's a stretch goal). Can't wait for summer. Grab some seats somewhere in Loge 218 to 220, watch the sunset while eating a Dodger dog and drinking a cold beer. Life is good.
Front runner.
Yankee bats!
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/yankees-new-bats-come-light-9-homer-onslaught-vs-brewers
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 30, 2025, 02:12:10 PMYankee bats!
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/yankees-new-bats-come-light-9-homer-onslaught-vs-brewers
Going to be a bummer when the bats perform the same as normal bats and Brewers pitching was the main culprit.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 30, 2025, 02:12:10 PMYankee bats!
https://www.foxnews.com/sports/yankees-new-bats-come-light-9-homer-onslaught-vs-brewers
Gonna start using these and see if I can nab some time with the White Sox this year
Has any team humiliated themselves in a season opening series as badly as the Brewers just did?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 30, 2025, 09:07:36 PMHas any team humiliated themselves in a season opening series as badly as the Brewers just did?
With SEVEN possible starters - Woodruff, Myers, Quintana, Hall, Gasser, Civale, and Ashby - unable to pitch, it has been no surprise.
Quote from: Jockey on March 31, 2025, 12:47:47 PMWith SEVEN possible starters - Woodruff, Myers, Quintana, Hall, Gasser, Civale, and Ashby - unable to pitch, it has been no surprise.
Civale pitched yesterday.
In fact, all three starters against NYY were penciled in as such going into spring training.
They knew the entire offseason Woodruff would not be ready for opening day even if everything went perfectly which it has so far. Gasser is coming off Tommy John, so they knew he'd be unavailable the entire offseason.
Yes, they've been hit with other injuries. They were lit up and embarrassed though this weekend. They weren't competitive. Three pitches, three HR to start the game Saturday. That's little league stuff. It's really specious to write off this weekend up to injuries.
Not much better today so far either.
If Antanasio becomes commish, hope he negotiates sand into the contract.
If the Brewers can hold KC to 10 runs it will bring their team ERA down (was 12.3 before the game)!
Quote from: MU1in77 on March 31, 2025, 03:45:15 PMIf the Brewers can hold KC to 10 runs it will bring their team ERA down (was 12.3 before the game)!
Yikes! Similar to the White Sox adding .210 hitters to raise the team average most of last year.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 31, 2025, 04:56:37 PMYikes! Similar to the White Sox adding .210 hitters to raise the team average most of last year.
You mean our 2-2 red hot white sox?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 31, 2025, 10:12:31 PMYou mean our 2-2 red hot white sox?
Yes!!
And what is going on with the Twins?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 31, 2025, 10:20:27 PMYes!!
And what is going on with the Twins?
Hilarity and I'm not overthinking it. I'm gonna make the most of the lone high I'll have of this season
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 31, 2025, 10:12:31 PMYou mean our 2-2 red hot white sox?
+14 run differential after four games. Fourth best in MLB.
#whitesoxfacts
(Brewers -32 .... yikes).
I fell for it.
https://bsky.app/profile/jakeeisenberg.bsky.social/post/3llr3rl6bsk2j
Jake Eisenberg @jakeeisenberg.bsky.social
Happy April Fools' Day, and happy *40th* anniversary to the greatest baseball hoax of all time. The legend of Sidd Finch.
Using a torpedo bat for the first time last night, Elly De La Cruz went 4-for-5 with 2 HR and 7 RBI in Cincinnati's 14-3 win over Texas.
I did see the person who hit the most homers against the Brewers (Judge) was not using the torpedo bat.
Their pitching just might be bad to start.
Aaron judge isn't using the bad. He would never dream to benefit from adventageous equipment to hit home runs
Quote from: MU82 on April 01, 2025, 10:37:28 AMUsing a torpedo bat for the first time last night, Elly De La Cruz went 4-for-5 with 2 HR and 7 RBI in Cincinnati's 14-3 win over Texas.
The bats have a built-in sensor letting hitters know which pitches to swing at.
Rafael Devers is planning on using one.
Are the braves the new white Sox?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 03, 2025, 05:41:56 AMAre the braves the new white Sox?
Are the Dodgers going to beat the 1984 Tigers 35-5 start?
Quote from: Jockey on April 01, 2025, 02:35:24 PMThe bats have a built-in sensor letting hitters know which pitches to swing at.
Rafael Devers is planning on using one.
So now the bats are juiced instead of the players.
When has there not been a pursuit of an extra edge? Bigger gloves, better shoes, off season conditioning, supplements legal and less so, looking at pitcher tendencies and deliveries on an iPad, stealing signals, bigger bats, smaller bats...
The torpedo bats meet the letter of the law. The proportions and weight distribution have been changed minutely. Theoretically leading to a slightly larger sweet spot and a slightly faster swing speed. This is no different than a golfer adjusting their driver. They still have to square up the ball.
Plus, teams are still bringing in a new pitcher every inning to throw 15 95+ mph fastball and then sit down. It would be nice if the pendulum swung back to the hitters. Plus, with the taper at the end, pound fastballs away.
Brew Crew with a staggering 0.66 ERA in April. Most dominant pitching staff in decades?
Oh how I love early season baseball. Cubs are in first, I'm full of hope.
Of course none of that will last.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on April 04, 2025, 04:08:17 PMOh how I love early season baseball. Cubs are in first, I'm full of hope.
Of course none of that will last.
Oh ye of little faith. Shoto is totally finishing the year with a sub 1 ERA and Tucker is gonna hit .325 with 50 bombs.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 04, 2025, 04:29:24 PMOh ye of little faith. Shoto is totally finishing the year with a sub 1 ERA and Tucker is gonna hit .325 with 50 bombs.
Cy young and a triple crown winner eh?
Redlegs scored 14 runs on 3/31 and 11 runs today. And 2 runs in the 4 games in between.
Reds are the first team since the start of the National League (1876) to score 10+ runs on both ends of a 6-game stretch while only scoring 2 or fewer runs in the 4 games in between.
Nestor to the IL (probable TJ surgery?).
That makes 8 starters that are hurt and we're only 10 days into the season.
Quote from: Jockey on April 06, 2025, 01:40:29 PMNestor to the IL (probable TJ surgery?).
That makes 8 starters that are hurt and we're only 10 days into the season.
If this current roster somehow contends this year with all these pitching injuries, I'll never doubt their ability to maximize the guys they have
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2025, 02:52:43 PMIf this current roster somehow contends this year with all these pitching injuries, I'll never doubt their ability to maximize the guys they have
Great they have me lowering the bar to "making the playoffs is good enough"
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 06, 2025, 04:46:08 PMGreat they have me lowering the bar to "making the playoffs is good enough"
I'm being realistic with the current rotation. They're running dentists out there.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2025, 04:48:43 PMI'm being realistic with the current rotation. They're running dentists out there.
Great, now we have to worry about injuries and jail time.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 06, 2025, 04:53:55 PMGreat, now we have to worry about injuries and jail time.
Baseball just got over its PED problem and now the Brewers have an ED problem
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2025, 04:48:43 PMI'm being realistic with the current rotation. They're running dentists out there.
If you make a joke about dentists, but all of the dentists have been kicked off of Scoop, does it still make a sound?
Vlad Guerrero will not have to worry about exchange rates or tariffs.
Vlad Jr will make more in his first three years than his Dad made in the final 10 years of his career, which encompassed an MVP year and many AS selections and he wasn't an underpaid star by any stretch.
Interesting trade for the Brew Crew. Kind of sounds like they gave up a lot for someone so unproven, but if their pitching lab can work their magic, it could be a nice pickup.
https://x.com/AdamMcCalvy/status/1909260450098782539?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1909260450098782539%7Ctwgr%5E8d549252cdb09e08b67a71f027674ec60c7fd401%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrewerfanatic.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2FAdamMcCalvy%2Fstatus%2F1909260450098782539
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 07, 2025, 10:26:13 AMInteresting trade for the Brew Crew. Kind of sounds like they gave up a lot for someone so unproven, but if their pitching lab can work their magic, it could be a nice pickup.
https://x.com/AdamMcCalvy/status/1909260450098782539?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1909260450098782539%7Ctwgr%5E8d549252cdb09e08b67a71f027674ec60c7fd401%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrewerfanatic.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2FAdamMcCalvy%2Fstatus%2F1909260450098782539
I know that there's no such thing as a prospect group that has too much depth but if there were, the Brewers OF is it.
From The Athletic:
Filed under "whoops": The Pirates apologized yesterday for replacing a Roberto Clemente logo on the right-field wall with an advertisement for a canned vodka drink, saying they will reinstate the logo after family members were upset by the switch. The club also insists it was an honest mistake and miscommunication.
Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2025, 10:54:39 AMFrom The Athletic:
Filed under "whoops": The Pirates apologized yesterday for replacing a Roberto Clemente logo on the right-field wall with an advertisement for a canned vodka drink, saying they will reinstate the logo after family members were upset by the switch. The club also insists it was an honest mistake and miscommunication.
Besides not caring about putting a winning team on the field, the top brass are also liars.
The great fans in Pittsburg deserve better.
When Aaron Judge homered Friday, it was his 321st HR in his 1,000th career game.
Babe Ruth also hit his 321st HR as a Yankee in his 1,000th game with the team.
It doesn't mean anything, just something I read that made me go, "How 'bout that?"
Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2025, 12:39:37 PMWhen Aaron Judge homered Friday, it was his 321st HR in his 1,000th career game.
Babe Ruth also hit his 321st HR as a Yankee in his 1,000th game with the team.
It doesn't mean anything, just something I read that made me go, "How 'bout that?"
This stat is infinitly more fun then the one about the reds posted earlier.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on April 07, 2025, 01:02:22 PMThis stat is infinitly more fun then the one about the reds posted earlier.
I'll try to do better in the future.
Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2025, 12:39:37 PMWhen Aaron Judge homered Friday, it was his 321st HR in his 1,000th career game.
Babe Ruth also hit his 321st HR as a Yankee in his 1,000th game with the team.
It doesn't mean anything, just something I read that made me go, "How 'bout that?"
Did the Babe have that "bat" though?
RIP Octavio Dotel
Tigers-Yankees today. 39 and sunny. Skubal got back on track. Never a bad day at Comerica Park.
Very small sample size, but Shane Smith looks like a solid MLB starter.
Surprised Brewers didn't protect him.
Monday night Hunter Green became first starting pitcher in history to throw 100 MPH in the 9th inning. Stats go back 17 years.
Quote from: Mutaman on April 08, 2025, 05:46:50 PMMonday night Hunter Green became first starting pitcher in history to throw 100 MPH in the 9th inning. Stats go back 17 years.
A starting pitcher was still pitching in the 9th?!?! ;D
Feel like Verlander did it on one of his no hitters.
I wonder how many 100 mph pitches Nolan Ryan threw in the 9th innings of his 222 complete games.
Maybe time to only throw Payamps out there down 5+ in the late innings for a while.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 12, 2025, 09:57:28 PMMaybe time to only throw Payamps out there down 5+ in the late innings for a while.
A bad call by Murphy when the guy has been struggling so much.
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 09:50:22 PMI wonder how many 100 mph pitches Nolan Ryan threw in the 9th innings of his 222 complete games.
32 complete games short of Gibson.
160 complete games short of Spahn.
527 complete games short of Cy Young.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 12, 2025, 09:57:28 PMMaybe time to only throw Payamps out there down 5+ in the late innings for a while.
Dbacks are just too good to play around with. Awful loss.
Quote from: Mutaman on April 12, 2025, 11:15:47 PM32 complete games short of Gibson.
160 complete games short of Spahn.
527 complete games short of Cy Young.
Yeah, Ryan was a wimp.
Seriously, folks talk about records that will never be broken and they usually mention things like DiMaggio's hitting streak. But it's the pitching records that really will NEVER be broken. Complete games, shutouts, wins, etc. Zero-point-zero-zero chance any of those will ever fall.
Cubs lefty Justin Steele officially done for the season and will undergo elbow surgery. That stinks.
"After 73PA (72AB), Jackson Chourio's OBP (.288) is less than his Batting Average (.292)."
Quote from: 18thandWells on April 14, 2025, 11:15:05 AM"After 73PA (72AB), Jackson Chourio's OBP (.288) is less than his Batting Average (.292)."
He's playing well but it's not sustainable for that reason. Teams are going to start giving him the Javi Baez treatment
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 14, 2025, 11:24:24 AMHe's playing well but it's not sustainable for that reason. Teams are going to start giving him the Javi Baez treatment
With a OBP .52 points higher than his average last year, I'm not too worried. Not having a walk in 16 games is definitely odd though.
Twins starters last week pitched 32 1/3 innings for a .84 era
Team went 2-4.
That's a low even for us.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 14, 2025, 01:03:34 PMTwins starters last week pitched 32 1/3 innings for a .84 era
Team went 2-4.
That's a low even for us.
At least Royce is pounding the ball. :-[
Quote from: Jockey on April 14, 2025, 04:25:37 PMAt least Royce is pounding the ball. :-[
He's on the Buxton and Correa permanently injured path.
Speaking of which, Correa from last year is dead a gone. Wow has he been horrific.
It may be that tuning in to the Brewers game could be interesting. I shan't say more.
Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2025, 07:48:01 PMIt may be that tuning in to the Brewers game could be interesting. I shan't say more.
Skubal is perfect through 4
C'mon, man.
Liar.
Rocco Sifredi >>> Rocco Baldelli
I miss the dome
Happy Jackie Robinson Day. Hopefully Rachel Robinson is doing okay. She's 102.
Quote from: Mutaman on April 12, 2025, 11:15:47 PM32 complete games short of Gibson.
160 complete games short of Spahn.
527 complete games short of Cy Young.
Way to answer something that had nothing to do with the question.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 15, 2025, 06:34:25 PMHappy Jackie Robinson Day. Hopefully Rachel Robinson is doing okay. She's 102.
DEI hire.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9XtDyDUjIU
Big fan of April baseball!
Rough times for former White Sox closer Bobby Jenks, who pitched in all 4 games as the Sox swept the 2005 World Series.
He has been diagnosed with Stage 4 adenocarcinoma, a form of stomach cancer. The cancer has spread to other organs. Might not have more than a few months to live.
Three months ago, his family's home in California burnt to the ground in the Palisades wildfires. Every memento of his baseball career turned to ash. His first game ball, his first win, first strikeout, first save, all gone. It was a loss that Jenks called "a shock to the system."
Jenks, who just turned 44 last month, lives in Portugal with his wife and two young children. An article in The Athletic says they are broke and have established a GoFundMe page to help with expenses.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6279684/2025/04/15/bobby-jenks-terminal-cancer-white-sox/?
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6273808/2025/04/16/mlb-top-10-front-offices-executive-vote/?campaign=13243323&source=athletic_targeted_email&userId=9696215
Brewers' front office voted top three by peers
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 16, 2025, 09:25:22 PMhttps://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6273808/2025/04/16/mlb-top-10-front-offices-executive-vote/?campaign=13243323&source=athletic_targeted_email&userId=9696215
Brewers' front office voted top three by peers
I believe that is well deserved.
On the other end of the FO world; reminds me some baseball analyst last season commented that White Sox would not be a top 3 or 4 AAA team. I don't know if that is valid, but it sounded reasonable.
This Cubs/Dbacks game is unhinged
Twins are a disaster so I don't think I have to make much of a case. But man
Rocco goes with Topa as an opener last minute for SWR.
Someone find the logic.
They are both righties. Both pitch same hand similar splits. Braves have a lineup that alternates left and right.
You can't win when the guy making strategic decisions is simply closing his eyes.
Tigers IL starting to resemble the Lions last season. However, starting pitching is really good and Torkelson is hitting the crap out of the ball.
Quote from: tower912 on April 19, 2025, 06:45:18 PMTigers IL starting to resemble the Lions last season. However, starting pitching is really good and Torkelson is hitting the crap out of the ball.
Tork finding it is massive.
Will see how it lasts but he's been #1 pick Tork.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on April 15, 2025, 06:54:27 PMWay to answer something that had nothing to do with the question.
"I wonder" is a question?
Dirty pool by the Tampa Bay Rrays official scorer.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 19, 2025, 06:40:09 PMTwins are a disaster
Hey, they're 1 1/2 games ahead of the Mighty Whities!
Aaron Judge hit a deep ball at the Tampa minor-league park that was obviously fair by several feet. Yet even with replays, the umps somehow botched it and called it foul.
Probably won't be a worse call this season.
Over the years, Braves manager Brian Snitker has yanked three players from games for not hustling:
Ender Inciarte in July 2018 after Inciarte failed to run hard on a pop-up that was dropped by the shortstop ... Ronald Acuna in August 2019 after Acuna stood and watched what he thought would be a HR and ended up with only a single. ... and Marcell Ozuna in June 2023 after Ozuna watched a fly ball that hit the wall, thinking it would be an HR; it ended up only being a single.
After pulling Acuna from the 2019 game, Snitker said: "He didn't run. You've got to run. It's not going to be acceptable here. As a teammate, you're responsible for 24 other guys. That name on the front is a lot more important than the name on the back of that jersey. You can't do that. We're trying to accomplish something and do something special here, and personal things have to be put on the back burner. You just can't let your team down like that."
So it didn't sit well with Acuna on Saturday that Snitker took absolutely no action against Jarred Kelenic, who was thrown out at second base after having stood at home plate watching his presumed HR.
"If it were me, they would take me out of the game," Acuna twitted.
Snitker claimed he wasn't watching Kelenic's play - an odd admission for a manager to make - and said the two talked about the situation after the game. Kelenic said it was he, not Snitker, who initiated the conversation. Afterward, Snitker said: "All the situations when they happen, they're all different."
Some in the Latino community were not happy with the "different" situations - given that only one of the four ballplayers is a white American, and that the white American was the only one who wasn't disciplined.
No one but Snitker will ever know if that had anything to do with it, but it's obviously a bad look.
Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2025, 10:59:56 AMOver the years, Braves manager Brian Snitker has yanked three players from games for not hustling:
Ender Inciarte in July 2018 after Inciarte failed to run hard on a pop-up that was dropped by the shortstop ... Ronald Acuna in August 2019 after Acuna stood and watched what he thought would be a HR and ended up with only a single. ... and Marcell Ozuna in June 2023 after Ozuna watched a fly ball that hit the wall, thinking it would be an HR; it ended up only being a single.
After pulling Acuna from the 2019 game, Snitker said: "He didn't run. You've got to run. It's not going to be acceptable here. As a teammate, you're responsible for 24 other guys. That name on the front is a lot more important than the name on the back of that jersey. You can't do that. We're trying to accomplish something and do something special here, and personal things have to be put on the back burner. You just can't let your team down like that."
So it didn't sit well with Acuna on Saturday that Snitker took absolutely no action against Jarred Kelenic, who was thrown out at second base after having stood at home plate watching his presumed HR.
"If it were me, they would take me out of the game," Acuna twitted.
Snitker claimed he wasn't watching Kelenic's play - an odd admission for a manager to make - and said the two talked about the situation after the game. Kelenic said it was he, not Snitker, who initiated the conversation. Afterward, Snitker said: "All the situations when they happen, they're all different."
Some in the Latino community were not happy with the "different" situations - given that only one of the four ballplayers is a white American, and that the white American was the only one who wasn't disciplined.
No one but Snitker will ever know if that had anything to do with it, but it's obviously a bad look.
Its a bad look, but I'll play Devils Advocate in a way. Inciarte was a pereniall Gold Glove winning, recent All Star when he got yanked. Acuña was the reigning ROY, an All Star, and budding superstar. Ozuna was/is a star on a big contract (who also had a DUI and domestic violence suspensions in the previous year. Meanwhile, Kelenic has been a tremendously mediocre pro and was terrible in Spring Training and has been to start the year.
While, ideally, you hold all players to a similar standard of hustle and professionalism, we know thats often not the case. But while I can see why someone would look at the Latino vs American angle, my initial read was a manager being harder on and expecting better of star players than someone who could very well end up in AAA later this summer if injuries subside in Atlanta.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 21, 2025, 11:15:23 AMIts a bad look, but I'll play Devils Advocate in a way. Inciarte was a pereniall Gold Glove winning, recent All Star when he got yanked. Acuña was the reigning ROY, an All Star, and budding superstar. Ozuna was/is a star on a big contract (who also had a DUI and domestic violence suspensions in the previous year. Meanwhile, Kelenic has been a tremendously mediocre pro and was terrible in Spring Training and has been to start the year.
While, ideally, you hold all players to a similar standard of hustle and professionalism, we know thats often not the case. But while I can see why someone would look at the Latino vs American angle, my initial read was a manager being harder on and expecting better of star players than someone who could very well end up in AAA later this summer if injuries subside in Atlanta.
We'll agree to disagree on some of this.
Even if racism had absolutely nothing to do with it - and that's certainly possible, maybe even probable - it's a bad look to "let it slide" for a non-standout.
I've coached, and maybe you have too. You simply have to be consistent with this kind of thing. Your athletes are watching you, and they're noticing.
You think it helps Snitker's credibility or authority when a great player like Acuna is twitting about it - and when it's pretty much impossible to say Acuna's twit was wrong?
Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2025, 12:27:23 PMWe'll agree to disagree on some of this.
Even if racism had absolutely nothing to do with it - and that's certainly possible, maybe even probable - it's a bad look to "let it slide" for a non-standout.
I've coached, and maybe you have too. You simply have to be consistent with this kind of thing. Your athletes are watching you, and they're noticing.
You think it helps Snitker's credibility or authority when a great player like Acuna is twitting about it - and when it's pretty much impossible to say Acuna's twit was wrong?
Oh I think its a bad look regardless. I wasn't excusing it in any way. I was just saying what jumped out to me other than "he's just letting a white American slide", but even if his reasoning wasn't malicious, its still bad managing...even more so when you've won the NL East 6 out of the last 7 years, have an MVP caliber star, and were again expected to contend for the NL...and you have the second worst record in the NL.
Nice catch, Yelich!
Go Cubs.
Devin Williams sucks. Brewers must have been unhappy to trade him. He's cost the Yankees at least 4 games this year already.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 26, 2025, 08:13:43 AMDevin Williams sucks. Brewers must have been unhappy to trade him. He's cost the Yankees at least 4 games this year already.
Wouldn't surprise me if he's damaged goods. Injured last year and another post-season disaster. Lot of scar tissue there
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 26, 2025, 08:13:43 AMDevin Williams sucks. Brewers must have been unhappy to trade him. He's cost the Yankees at least 4 games this year already.
I thought I typed happy! Jeez. But it sounds snarkier with unhappy.
Surprised a guy that once punched a wall in celebration is having a hard time in a high pressure environment.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 26, 2025, 12:29:54 PMSurprised a guy that once punched a wall in celebration is having a hard time in a high pressure environment.
The prevailing theory per Mets fans is that Pete Alonzo broke him in the playoffs last season.
Gotta love the SF Giants winning an MLB game on a "Little League home run."
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/heliot-ramos-giants-stun-rangers-with-wild-walk-off-little-league-home-run-after-late-errors-231309346.html?
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2025, 10:18:12 AMGotta love the SF Giants winning an MLB game on a "Little League home run."
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/heliot-ramos-giants-stun-rangers-with-wild-walk-off-little-league-home-run-after-late-errors-231309346.html?
Ha! That was awesome. The Rangers did their best White Sox impersonation.
I'll ask this only because it looks on video that way...
Was that a suicide attempt in Pittsburgh?
I don't say that jokingly at all.
Mike Trout leaves today's game in Seattle with a knee injury.
Meanwhile, "my" Mariners are red hot!
Quote from: Dish on April 30, 2025, 08:54:56 PMI'll ask this only because it looks on video that way...
Was that a suicide attempt in Pittsburgh?
I don't say that jokingly at all.
Based on the timing, I think he was drunk and got up to cheer the ball kicking off Dansby's glove.
Eyewitness accounts also seem to point to him having several beverages in him prior to the accident.
Apparently he had torn his shirt off and poured beer on himself earlier. Jumped out of his seat too aggressively.
That had to be one of the strangest things I've seen from a fan at a ballgame. It looked like he launched himself, not just a fall.
Quote from: MU82 on April 30, 2025, 09:03:43 PMMike Trout leaves today's game in Seattle with a knee injury.
Meanwhile, "my" Mariners are red hot!
Have fun with that - they will be hot until August, then fade and miss the playoffs.
Quote from: PointWarrior on May 01, 2025, 08:44:26 PMHave fun with that - they will be hot until August, then fade and miss the playoffs.
Not this year, pal!
Quote from: Dish on April 30, 2025, 08:54:56 PMI'll ask this only because it looks on video that way...
Was that a suicide attempt in Pittsburgh?
I don't say that jokingly at all.
A post from reddit -
"I was sitting 5 rows behind him.
He was drunk
Inning before he ripped his shirt off and poured half a beer all over himself.
He jumped up from his seat when the pirates got the hit, he jumped up so quick, while being drunk, he literally propelled himself off the ledge.
He didn't do it on purpose and no one pushed him. He was there with his girlfriend, a friend and another lady. The friend ran to the lower deck in centerfield and jumped on the field."
Honestly one of my greatest fears at numerous places. Railings are way to low while standing. Something like what happened to the fan as gone through my head a hundred times at venues with tall heights and low railings. The Pabst theatre absolutely comes to mind as one of the biggest offenders.
Interesting article in The Athletic about how the strike zone has shrunk a bit this season.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6328105/2025/05/01/mlb-umpire-strike-zone-buffer-zone-change/?
(https://static01.nyt.com/athletic/uploads/wp/2025/05/02172902/Shadow_strikzone_shift_FINAL_V2.jpg)
Here's the start of the article:
In the winter, Major League Baseball negotiated a seemingly simple change in how home-plate umpires are graded and evaluated. But now, a month into the season, its impact on balls and strikes has players asking questions about what they believe is a tightened strike zone — and searching for ways to adjust to a new wrinkle they say caught them by surprise.
That change, which was part of a new labor agreement with the Major League Umpires Association, significantly decreased the margin of error for umpires in their evaluations — and has resulted in fewer called strikes off the edges of the plate through the same point as last season.
"Everybody's zone has shrunk," Angels catcher Travis d'Arnaud told The Athletic. "Every (umpire) across the league."
The actual number of pitches affected is relatively small. But the reaction — from pitchers, catchers, pitching coaches and analytics-driven front offices — has been anything but. They say the shift in how balls and strikes are now called is already having an impact on game-planning, pitch sequencing, pitch framing techniques, evaluation models and even roster construction.
For the past two decades, umpires were working with a "buffer zone" that gave them 2 inches of leeway — on all sides of the plate, just off the strike zone — when they were graded on how accurately they called balls and strikes.
Now, however, that buffer zone has shrunk, from 2 inches on all sides to just three-quarters of an inch on all sides, inside and outside the strike zone, according to league sources briefed on the change but not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. An MLB official confirmed that the buffer zone had decreased in size.
The intent of the buffer zone change is simple: to call the rulebook strike zone more accurately. But the real-life impact seems to have caught pitchers and catchers in particular off guard, even though the definition of the actual strike zone remains the same.
"I was unaware of that," Phillies reliever Matt Strahm said of the change. "I thought everything was going to be normal after spring (training, when MLB tested an electronic ball-strike challenge system). Go back to what we've been doing. I guess I wasn't aware that the (buffer zone) has shrunk."
An MLB official said, "The rulebook strike zone has not changed and we have not instructed umpires to call a different strike zone. In response to consistent player and club desire to have umpires evaluated more closely to the rulebook strike zone, we agreed with the MLB Umpires Association in their new CBA to reduce the size of the 'buffer' around the border of the strike zone, which essentially protects an umpire from being graded 'incorrect' on extremely close misses.
"We informed the GMs and Field Managers that we were seeking this change during the offseason," the official said, "and again informed the Clubs when the umpire CBA was ratified. Overall ball-strike accuracy in 2025 is the highest it has ever been through this point in the season."
Quote from: MU82 on May 02, 2025, 04:44:32 PMInteresting article in The Athletic about how the strike zone has shrunk a bit this season.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6328105/2025/05/01/mlb-umpire-strike-zone-buffer-zone-change/?
(https://static01.nyt.com/athletic/uploads/wp/2025/05/02172902/Shadow_strikzone_shift_FINAL_V2.jpg)
Here's the start of the article:
In the winter, Major League Baseball negotiated a seemingly simple change in how home-plate umpires are graded and evaluated. But now, a month into the season, its impact on balls and strikes has players asking questions about what they believe is a tightened strike zone — and searching for ways to adjust to a new wrinkle they say caught them by surprise.
That change, which was part of a new labor agreement with the Major League Umpires Association, significantly decreased the margin of error for umpires in their evaluations — and has resulted in fewer called strikes off the edges of the plate through the same point as last season.
"Everybody's zone has shrunk," Angels catcher Travis d'Arnaud told The Athletic. "Every (umpire) across the league."
The actual number of pitches affected is relatively small. But the reaction — from pitchers, catchers, pitching coaches and analytics-driven front offices — has been anything but. They say the shift in how balls and strikes are now called is already having an impact on game-planning, pitch sequencing, pitch framing techniques, evaluation models and even roster construction.
For the past two decades, umpires were working with a "buffer zone" that gave them 2 inches of leeway — on all sides of the plate, just off the strike zone — when they were graded on how accurately they called balls and strikes.
Now, however, that buffer zone has shrunk, from 2 inches on all sides to just three-quarters of an inch on all sides, inside and outside the strike zone, according to league sources briefed on the change but not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. An MLB official confirmed that the buffer zone had decreased in size.
The intent of the buffer zone change is simple: to call the rulebook strike zone more accurately. But the real-life impact seems to have caught pitchers and catchers in particular off guard, even though the definition of the actual strike zone remains the same.
"I was unaware of that," Phillies reliever Matt Strahm said of the change. "I thought everything was going to be normal after spring (training, when MLB tested an electronic ball-strike challenge system). Go back to what we've been doing. I guess I wasn't aware that the (buffer zone) has shrunk."
An MLB official said, "The rulebook strike zone has not changed and we have not instructed umpires to call a different strike zone. In response to consistent player and club desire to have umpires evaluated more closely to the rulebook strike zone, we agreed with the MLB Umpires Association in their new CBA to reduce the size of the 'buffer' around the border of the strike zone, which essentially protects an umpire from being graded 'incorrect' on extremely close misses.
"We informed the GMs and Field Managers that we were seeking this change during the offseason," the official said, "and again informed the Clubs when the umpire CBA was ratified. Overall ball-strike accuracy in 2025 is the highest it has ever been through this point in the season."
Jomboy does a very good breakdown of just how small the strike zone is on the robo umps. I'm guessing the tightening of the zone has something to do with that.
Anyone see the Reds outfielder break his arm while trying to make a sliding catch into the wall?
They ruled it a drop and the batter got an inside the parker, but I'm not so sure that wasn't a catch. In my opinion, he still had the ball through the fall to the ground, then released it when he looked to see his new elbow.
From Yahoo Sports:
The Giants scored 9 runs in the 11th inning of their 14-5 win over the Cubs, tied for the fifth-largest margin of victory in extra innings in the last 125 years. Cubs closer Ryan Pressly allowed all nine runs without recording an out, seeing his ERA balloon from 2.08 to 7.62.
Meanwhile, Chicago's other team found yet another way to lose, as White Sox 2B Chase Meidroth missed a routine pop-up ... and the ball bounced off his head. That sparked a KC rally that led to a Royals' comeback win.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/white-sox-find-new-way-to-lose-as-9th-inning-pop-up-bounces-off-2b-chase-meidroths-head-041708326.html?
Quote from: MU82 on May 07, 2025, 10:42:18 AMFrom Yahoo Sports:
The Giants scored 9 runs in the 11th inning of their 14-5 win over the Cubs, tied for the fifth-largest margin of victory in extra innings in the last 125 years. Cubs closer Ryan Pressly allowed all nine runs without recording an out, seeing his ERA balloon from 2.08 to 7.62.
Meanwhile, Chicago's other team found yet another way to lose, as White Sox 2B Chase Meidroth missed a routine pop-up ... and the ball bounced off his head. That sparked a KC rally that led to a Royals' comeback win.
https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/white-sox-find-new-way-to-lose-as-9th-inning-pop-up-bounces-off-2b-chase-meidroths-head-041708326.html?
Hey, don't rain on my parade. The Sox are pace for a very respectable 45 win season.
White Sox on a pace to finish 17 games in front of the Rockies.
The Mariners erased a 5-0 deficit to beat the A's 6-5 yesterday and have now won 9 straight series. First time they've done that since 2001, the year they won 116 games (but flamed out in the playoffs).
Shocking that the owners of the Pirates are blaming the manager rather than themselves.
Rafael Devers ... quite a leader and team player. All at a cost of only $313.5 million.
Quote from: MU82 on May 09, 2025, 10:55:51 AMRafael Devers ... quite a leader and team player. All at a cost of only $313.5 million.
I'm historically usually pretty forgiving for a lot of player complaints. Slow to get to "shut up and play" or "how can you complain when you're making that much money" cause I can rationalize what a different set of circumstances it is professionally.
That being said...Ive looked at multiple articles and quotes about this and can't find any angle that doesn't make Devers look like a whiney malcontent. He's not being benched. He's already playing DH, so its not like he's some great fielder sad about being moved from his marquee position. And he's not in a contract year. Just a lazy loser attitude.
Meanwhile, you have a guy like Tatis who has been moved around multiple times in the field and in the order and instead became a GG at his new position and on pace for another career year.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 09, 2025, 01:32:05 PMI'm historically usually pretty forgiving for a lot of player complaints. Slow to get to "shut up and play" or "how can you complain when you're making that much money" cause I can rationalize what a different set of circumstances it is professionally.
That being said...Ive looked at multiple articles and quotes about this and can't find any angle that doesn't make Devers look like a whiney malcontent. He's not being benched. He's already playing DH, so its not like he's some great fielder sad about being moved from his marquee position. And he's not in a contract year. Just a lazy loser attitude.
Meanwhile, you have a guy like Tatis who has been moved around multiple times in the field and in the order and instead became a GG at his new position and on pace for another career year.
Same. I'm usually pretty tolerant about this kind of thing and generally am more likely to side with players than management.
But this is NFL diva WR kind of crud. I hope he strikes out 3x a game.
Tigers over the last 82 games, 58-24. Crazy. Enjoying it. Still feels a little like smoke and mirrors.
Lance McCullers children threatened because he had a bad game.
What have we become?
Leo XIV, you have a challenge in front of you.
Quote from: tower912 on May 11, 2025, 07:01:40 PMLance McCullers children threatened because he had a bad game.
What have we become?
Leo XIV, you have a challenge in front of you.
Good luck. He's a Sox fan.
Quote from: tower912 on May 11, 2025, 07:01:40 PMLance McCullers children threatened because he had a bad game.
What have we become?
Leo XIV, you have a challenge in front of you.
The coarsening of American society post-2015.
The white Sox won their first full series played since the new pope was elected. Buy stock in the south side now while it's cheap!
The Twins are effin hott!!
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 12, 2025, 07:59:06 AMThe Twins are effin hott!!
The demise of the AL Central was greatly exaggerated in April.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 11, 2025, 07:03:10 PMGood luck. He's a Sox fan.
then he should have a soft spot for the Astros going back to 2005.
It's sick that people would be threatening a player and his or her family at all. And for a regular season game? Players talked in the past about how annoying fans were when it came to getting harassed over fantasy stats, but now that real money is involved, something bad is going to happen.
https://x.com/DVNJr/status/1922380362493169953
Quote from: Pakuni on May 13, 2025, 03:10:33 PMhttps://x.com/DVNJr/status/1922380362493169953
Lowlifes are in vogue in 2025 America.
It'll be funny to see how many voters whose moral compass won't allow them to vote for Bonds, but will vote for Rose.
I see no chance of Rose still getting in anytime in the near future, though.
Quote from: Jockey on May 13, 2025, 03:33:24 PMIt'll be funny to see how many voters whose moral compass won't allow them to vote for Bonds, but will vote for Rose.
I see no chance of Rose still getting in anytime in the near future, though.
I don't see Jackson, Rose or Bonds making it. Just speaking for myself, I'm okay with that.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 13, 2025, 03:52:23 PMI don't see Jackson, Rose or Bonds making it. Just speaking for myself, I'm okay with that.
That's because baseball writers take themselves way, way too seriously.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 13, 2025, 04:07:35 PMThat's because baseball writers take themselves way, way too seriously.
I guess you could say that MLB takes themselves way too seriously also.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 13, 2025, 04:07:35 PMThat's because baseball writers take themselves way, way too seriously.
I don't think the baseball writers will be voting on Jackson or Rose. They would fall to the veterans committee (or whatever) which I believe is made up of former players/current HOFers.
Put them all in if their numbers warrant it. It's a museum. If someone was proven guilty of something, note that.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 13, 2025, 04:23:03 PMPut them all in if their numbers warrant it. It's a museum. If someone was proven guilty of something, note that.
I think this is the correct take once a would-be inductee is dead.
The potential of never living to see that day as a deterrent, though, should remain.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on May 13, 2025, 04:21:38 PMI don't think the baseball writers will be voting on Jackson or Rose. They would fall to the veterans committee (or whatever) which I believe is made up of former players/current HOFers.
It's the Classic Baseball Era Committee, but they only select every three years is my understanding. And that is how Dick Allen and Dave Parker were elected for this upcoming year, so the earliest looks like it would be 2028.
Unless I am misunderstanding this.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 13, 2025, 04:29:21 PMIt's the Classic Baseball Era Committee, but they only select every three years is my understanding. And that is how Dick Allen and Dave Parker were elected for this upcoming year, so the earliest looks like it would be 2028.
Unless I am misunderstanding this.
Sounds right. My point was that it will not be the BBWA group, who vote on the "regular" candidates, that would be involved in voting on Rose or any of the other reinstated players.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 13, 2025, 04:23:03 PMPut them all in if their numbers warrant it. It's a museum. If someone was proven guilty of something, note that.
I think it was Dan Patrick who suggested having a "Cheaters Wing" of the Hall. Put them in but call them out as you suggest.
Quote from: ChuckyChip on May 13, 2025, 04:37:56 PMSounds right. My point was that it will not be the BBWA group, who vote on the "regular" candidates, that would be involved in voting on Rose or any of the other reinstated players.
Your understanding is correct. BBWAA voters never had an eligible Pete Rose to vote for. A few BBWAA voters over the years did include him as a write-in choice, but that's all.
When he was alive, I advocated for making him eligible for the Hall for his accomplishments but never letting him be an official part of the sport. Meaning he couldn't be a manager or coach or in a front office or an "ambassador," etc.
But I never felt sorry for him that he couldn't get in while he was alive - he barred himself through his actions and his lies.
And I have no problem with what Manfred ruled here, either. Makes a lot of sense.
The voters on the Classic committee (and the precursor, which I think was called the Veterans committee) tend to be real traditionalists, so I'm not sure he'll get in, but maybe. It'll certainly be an interesting story to follow once the voting is taking place.
Say what you will about Pete Rose but he is probably the all-time hits leaders amongst pedophiles
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 13, 2025, 05:51:32 PMSay what you will about Pete Rose but he is probably the all-time hits leaders amongst pedophiles
For better or worse, he'd just be one of many douchenozzle SOBs in the Hall.
Among the rules that BBWAA voters are asked to follow is this:
Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.But very few voters rank integrity, sportsmanship and character high on the list (if at all) when filling out their ballots.
Quote from: MU82 on May 13, 2025, 06:45:28 PMFor better or worse, he'd just be one of many douchenozzle SOBs in the Hall.
Among the rules that BBWAA voters are asked to follow is this:
Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.
But very few voters rank integrity, sportsmanship and character high on the list (if at all) when filling out their ballots.
He probably wouldn't be the only pedophile in the HOF, I agree
Almost surely not.
BTW, I misspoke a little in my previous post, as many voters apparently invoked "integrity" and "character" in keeping juicers out of the Hall.
How good was Willie Keeler? Listed at 5'4.
Career .341 hitter.
:)
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 13, 2025, 07:05:34 PMHow good was Willie Keeler? Listed at 5'4.
Career .341 hitter.
:)
I don't know. He's been dead for a century
Hit 'em where they ain't. Choked up on the bat. Could place it anywhere. No power. Superb bunter. Baltimore chop inventor. That is from my baseball obsessed youth without looking it up.
Reds having Pete Rose night tomorrow on the 14th is funny. I know Pete was a big fan of that number
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 13, 2025, 07:09:47 PMI don't know. He's been dead for a century
[/quotQuote from: Uncle Rico on May 13, 2025, 07:09:47 PMI don't know. He's been dead for a century
You're supposed to know. Another example of EDCB (Extreme Diminutive Citizen Bias). Inexcusable.
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 13, 2025, 08:02:45 PMYou're supposed to know. Another example of EDCB (Extreme Diminutive Citizen Bias). Inexcusable.
Then why do you have to ask? Inexcusable that you don't know details about a short baseball player.
Quote from: tower912 on May 13, 2025, 08:05:52 PMThen why do you have to ask? Inexcusable that you don't know details about a short baseball player.
It's Rico's job to know. He should apologize for emphasizing Willie's death.
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 13, 2025, 08:56:25 PMIt's Rico's job to know. He should apologize for emphasizing Willie's death.
He's still dead
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 13, 2025, 10:11:40 PMHe's still dead
Yes. But Willie Keeler, Willie Shoemaker, and Willie Pep should all he greatly respected. Pep was a heck of a fighter.
Quote from: MuggsyB on May 13, 2025, 10:19:27 PMYes. But Willie Keeler, Willie Shoemaker, and Willie Pep should all he greatly respected. Pep was a heck of a fighter.
So should Seka
Among the many surprising things from the start of the season, I don't think anyone expected to see Baez hitting .320 a quarter of the way through the season
As a center fielder. Apparently, his back and hip were that bad and he tried to play anyway. The surgery allowed him to move normally again.
I think when Meadows and Vierling return, Baez moves to third.
His willingness to switch positions at this point in his career, coming back and remaining positive, being a good teammate despite 3 disappointing seasons and injuries requiring surgery, to me are the most impressive things.
IIRC from his time as a Cub, Javy wanted to try center since that was his position as a kid.
I also believe he was the Cubs emergency catcher before Schwarber stopped catching.
Baez said the same thing this season. He was a CF before he was A SS. And he has offered to catch. I am of the opinion that is hip and back were worse than he let on for a while, but his pride would not allow him to admit that.
Again, when Meadows and Vierling return, I see Baez at 3b.
Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 04:48:34 AMHis willingness to switch positions at this point in his career, coming back and remaining positive, being a good teammate despite 3 disappointing seasons and injuries requiring surgery, to me are the most impressive things.
Javy the Cub was my favorite baseball player in a long time, so I'll always be biased, but that being said, I think the only true knock on him as a teammate was his selfishness and incorrigibility at the plate when it came to patience, discipline, etc... Unlike someone like Devers, he was always willing to play anywhere on the field and have fun doing it. He has always been a fun, upbeat, likable teammate and locker room presence.
Of course, none of that is super important when you're hitting near the Mendoza line, swinging and missing a ton, and striking out constantly, in addition to no longer fielding like a GG level player. So I'm super happy to see him hitting again and letting the rest of that shine as a result.
All true. His chase rate is down this season. The swings that hurt your eyes and your soul. He is playing like an older, wiser version of the Cubs Javy. One that appreciates being healthy and playing freely. Always going to be the occasional dumb swing. And I imagine there will be a regression. However, .280, 15 HRs and 75 rbi's while batting 9th and playing stellar defense is just fine.
Surprising and fun to watch.
The most exciting player baseball has ever seen. Have you ever seen the guy slide into a base?
Quote from: wadesworld on May 14, 2025, 11:11:53 AMThe most exciting player baseball has ever seen. Have you ever seen the guy slide into a base?
Best tagger ever, too, though that figures to come into play less often at his new position. What a waste of tagging talent!
Re: Rose HoF ... Here's how The Athletic's Ken Rosenthal says the process will work:
Rose, along with the other reinstated players, will be considered by the Historical Overview Committee, which would decide if any of them warrant a hearing. If so, the Eras Committee will vote on election to the Hall. Rose and others would need to earn 12 of 16 votes to win. If all this happens, the earliest possible election for Rose is winter 2027.
This entire episode feels like MLB taking itself too seriously again. Now we have a fresh batch of "should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame" takes that aren't covering any new ground that hasn't been covered over the last 30 years. I don't know if this is because a lot of media is still based out east, and there they treat baseball with more sanctity than anyone else, but I just don't know why they do this.
The Cardinals are coming, tra la tra la.
10 of their last 11. I know they can't keep this up but geez, they're finally playing the Cardinal way!
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 15, 2025, 11:09:30 AMThe Cardinals are coming, tra la tra la.
10 of their last 11. I know they can't keep this up but geez, they're finally playing the Cardinal way!
With an all-white lineup?
Quote from: The Sultan on May 15, 2025, 09:36:24 AMThis entire episode feels like MLB taking itself too seriously again. Now we have a fresh batch of "should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame" takes that aren't covering any new ground that hasn't been covered over the last 30 years. I don't know if this is because a lot of media is still based out east, and there they treat baseball with more sanctity than anyone else, but I just don't know why they do this.
I agree that the media goes overboard on most everything, in part because there's just so much media, but this story did just get a pretty significant refresh, didn't it?
Related: The Athletic did a reader poll about whether or not Rose should get in the Hall. I was quite surprised to see that, among more than 17K respondents, 53% said no. I just assumed that the average sports fan would think he should get in, but I was wrong.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 15, 2025, 11:12:49 AMWith an all-white lineup?
Only when they're home and all the team wears their home whites!
PCA with two more extra base hits today - a truly ridiculous start to his season.
Cubs with a nice start to a very soft spot in their schedule.
The Brewers strategy of losing the first two games and winning the last to avoid the sweep doesn't seem like a great one.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 18, 2025, 05:11:42 PMThe Brewers strategy of losing the first two games and winning the last to avoid the sweep doesn't seem like a great one.
And getting shut out while losing the first two.
Think they may have found something today with the home run robbery to save the game. They finally have a weaker schedule the next 10 days. Let's see if they can rip off 6 or 7 out of 9.
Quote from: MU82 on May 15, 2025, 11:55:47 AMRelated: The Athletic did a reader poll about whether or not Rose should get in the Hall. I was quite surprised to see that, among more than 17K respondents, 53% said no. I just assumed that the average sports fan would think he should get in, but I was wrong.
I am also surprised. I know there is a logical conclusion that the prevalence of sports gambling would result in a more tolerant view of betting on sports, but maybe the opposite has happened. Maybe more people who wager have a serious issue with the real, or perceived, validity of outcomes if the participants are also wagering. Just a thought.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 19, 2025, 09:01:42 AMI am also surprised. I know there is a logical conclusion that the prevalence of sports gambling would result in a more tolerant view of betting on sports, but maybe the opposite has happened. Maybe more people who wager have a serious issue with the real, or perceived, validity of outcomes if the participants are also wagering. Just a thought.
It's probably more likely about the statutory rape allegations
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 19, 2025, 09:01:42 AMI am also surprised. I know there is a logical conclusion that the prevalence of sports gambling would result in a more tolerant view of betting on sports, but maybe the opposite has happened. Maybe more people who wager have a serious issue with the real, or perceived, validity of outcomes if the participants are also wagering. Just a thought.
I think that's exactly it. I don't think most people mind that he was gambling, but gambling on games in which you are participating is where the line is drawn.
I think pure fatigue with the question/issue plays a role too. My reaction to the "breaking news" about MLB changing their position on this was just "JFC who cares, just leave it and stop insisting I should care about it." And I think for folks who feel similarly, that weighs on the side of not letting Rose in the HoF.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 19, 2025, 09:13:19 AMI think that's exactly it. I don't think most people mind that he was gambling, but gambling on games in which you are participating is where the line is drawn.
There actually are some dopes who think it's OK that he bet on the Reds, including one powerful dope who recently lobbied Manfred on Rose's behalf.
Quote from: MUBurrow on May 19, 2025, 09:17:10 AMI think pure fatigue with the question/issue plays a role too. My reaction to the "breaking news" about MLB changing their position on this was just "JFC who cares, just leave it and stop insisting I should care about it." And I think for folks who feel similarly, that weighs on the side of not letting Rose in the HoF.
This too. I'm 57 years old, and while I saw him play, his peak was when I was a wee lad. Most baseball fans at best have fleeting memories of him and/or never saw him as anything more than an old crank.
Quote from: MU82 on May 19, 2025, 09:19:10 AMThere actually are some dopes who think it's OK that he bet on the Reds, including one powerful dope who recently lobbied Manfred on Rose's behalf.
the excuse is because he bet on his team to win. Not that doing so would change his strategy in those games or impact the following games.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 19, 2025, 09:01:42 AMI am also surprised. I know there is a logical conclusion that the prevalence of sports gambling would result in a more tolerant view of betting on sports, but maybe the opposite has happened. Maybe more people who wager have a serious issue with the real, or perceived, validity of outcomes if the participants are also wagering. Just a thought.
I don't think MLB being tolerant of gambling by fans on their sport has ANYTHING to do with Rose. Players and managers gambling cannot be allowed because it risks the integrity of the game. MLB cannot tolerate anything that may entice players to not give their best.
In Rose's case, he bet on his team while managing, which to me is a disqualifier.
Bonds, Clemens, etc. are just examples of baseball's long tradition of cheating to get a competitive advantage. (Electronically stealing signs, corking bats, doctoring the baseball, amphetamines/greenies, etc.) They just found something that worked too well.
If the steroids guys got in, I wouldn't like it, but I'd be OK with it. There are definitely steroid users in the HOF, probably double figures.
Joe Jackson is the one guy who absolutely, positively, should not be elected to HOF. There is no dispute that he took money to lose World Series games on purpose. There should be no getting around that.
Yeah, and even if he bet on his team to win, he might have made decisions that hurt the team in order to squeeze out a single win.
Quote from: CTWarrior on May 19, 2025, 11:52:16 AMI don't think MLB being tolerant of gambling by fans on their sport has ANYTHING to do with Rose. Players and managers gambling cannot be allowed because it risks the integrity of the game. MLB cannot tolerate anything that may entice players to not give their best.
In Rose's case, he bet on his team while managing, which to me is a disqualifier.
Bonds, Clemens, etc. are just examples of baseball's long tradition of cheating to get a competitive advantage. (Electronically stealing signs, corking bats, doctoring the baseball, amphetamines/greenies, etc.) They just found something that worked too well.
If the steroids guys got in, I wouldn't like it, but I'd be OK with it. There are definitely steroid users in the HOF, probably double figures.
Joe Jackson is the one guy who absolutely, positively, should not be elected to HOF. There is no dispute that he took money to lose World Series games on purpose. There should be no getting around that.
I think you misunderstood my post. I was speaking to the fans' majority position to not elect Rose to the HOF. It seemed to run contrary to a general acceptance of gambling on sports these days.
I tend to agree on Jackson even though he batted .375 in the Series.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 19, 2025, 12:29:17 PMI think you misunderstood my post. I was speaking to the fans' majority position to not elect Rose to the HOF. It seemed to run contrary to a general acceptance of gambling on sports these days.
I tend to agree on Jackson even though he batted .375 in the Series.
So Shoeless played better when he was "throwing" games than when he wasn't? Did the gamblers forget to explain the premise to him?
Random complaint:
I didn't mind the runner on second to start extras in 2020 since that was a good throw away season to try stuff. But I really hate that it stuck around.
An extra inning loss doesn't feel equal to a regular loss. I'd hate it a little less if they had an "Extra Inning Loss" category in the standings like hockey.
I dislike almost everything Manfred has done with the exception of the pitch clock which might be the greatest improvement on the game in my lifetime.
I like it. Moves extra innings along. Quicker resolution equals less strain on pitching staffs for the next 3 games.
It can never be done in playoff games.
And no, I don't think there should be an "extra inning loss" category. I hate the "overtime loss" in the NHL too.
You either win a game...or you lose a game...or in certain sports you can tie. That's it.
Quote from: Jockey on May 19, 2025, 12:43:07 PMSo Shoeless played better when he was "throwing" games than when he wasn't? Did the gamblers forget to explain the premise to him?
LOL. I'm sure he got some "education" from the boys at some point.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 19, 2025, 12:44:18 PMRandom complaint:
I didn't mind the runner on second to start extras in 2020 since that was a good throw away season to try stuff. But I really hate that it stuck around.
An extra inning loss doesn't feel equal to a regular loss. I'd hate it a little less if they had an "Extra Inning Loss" category in the standings like hockey.
I dislike almost everything Manfred has done with the exception of the pitch clock which might be the greatest improvement on the game in my lifetime.
Gonna respectfully disagree with you here. I really like the runner on second. There is no reason to have a 19-inning or 22-inning or 25-inning regular-season game.
Also, I don't particularly like the OT loss category in the NHL, and I wouldn't like it in MLB either.
Yeah I love the runner on second. If it ever was adopted for the playoffs I'd hate it, but it's great for fans who don't want to be stuck at a game 18 innings and for wear and tear on players. Big win IMO
Quote from: BM1090 on May 19, 2025, 03:25:55 PMYeah I love the runner on second. If it ever was adopted for the playoffs I'd hate it, but it's great for fans who don't want to be stuck at a game 18 innings and for wear and tear on players. Big win IMO
Wouldn't be an issue if they re-opened beer sales for extra innings
Quote from: The Sultan on May 19, 2025, 09:23:09 AMThis too. I'm 57 years old, and while I saw him play, his peak was when I was a wee lad. Most baseball fans at best have fleeting memories of him and/or never saw him as anything more than an old crank.
A bunch of underaged girls allegedly saw his old crank too.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 19, 2025, 12:44:18 PMRandom complaint:
I didn't mind the runner on second to start extras in 2020 since that was a good throw away season to try stuff. But I really hate that it stuck around.
An extra inning loss doesn't feel equal to a regular loss. I'd hate it a little less if they had an "Extra Inning Loss" category in the standings like hockey.
I dislike almost everything Manfred has done with the exception of the pitch clock which might be the greatest improvement on the game in my lifetime.
No EIL category. Didn't need it.
I would have preferred the extra runner doesn't start until the 11th inning. I read something that 78% of EI games were settled in the 10th. Seems like a fair statistical compromise between moving the game along and the purists.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 20, 2025, 05:08:21 AMNo EIL category. Didn't need it.
I would have preferred the extra runner doesn't start until the 11th inning. I read something that 78% of EI games were settled in the 10th. Seems like a fair statistical compromise between moving the game along and the purists.
Counterpoint: The "purists" are annoying so anything that gets them irritated is fine by me.
They were also against the pitch clock and the extension of the nets. And surprise, surprise, the former was GREAT for the game, and the latter didn't come close to being the travesty that they said it would be.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 20, 2025, 08:04:47 AMCounterpoint: The "purists" are annoying so anything that gets them irritated is fine by me.
They were also against the pitch clock and the extension of the nets. And surprise, surprise, the former was GREAT for the game, and the latter didn't come close to being the travesty that they said it would be.
Sounds like college basketball purists and amateurism purists
Quote from: The Sultan on May 19, 2025, 09:23:09 AMThis too. I'm 57 years old, and while I saw him play, his peak was when I was a wee lad. Most baseball fans at best have fleeting memories of him and/or never saw him as anything more than an old crank.
I'm a good chunk younger than you so I obviously never saw him play, but going to school in SW Ohio, I knew people that revered him. So my opinion was pretty decent. But as I grew older, I realized and learned that, beyond the gambling, he was pretty much just a terrible person.
Then, in about 2018, I got my prime Pete Rose moment. I was at a convention at Mandalay Bay in Vegas, and in the big interior mall between Mandalay and Luxor and other hotels, there was a memorbilia shop. And they had a regular Pete Rose signing. Like he was there signing multiple times that week, mid day, for a few hours. I passed about a half dozen times over 2-3 days when he was there and it was always empty. At one point, I saw someone in there, so I lingered. Even with an empty shop and someone willing to pay, I saw the person go up to the table, Rose signed, half heartedly shake a hand, and then immediately go back to reading a newspaper while the person was literally still standing there.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 20, 2025, 08:04:47 AMCounterpoint: The "purists" are annoying so anything that gets them irritated is fine by me.
They were also against the pitch clock and the extension of the nets. And surprise, surprise, the former was GREAT for the game, and the latter didn't come close to being the travesty that they said it would be.
I wouldn't consider myself a purist. I was for the pitch clock and net extensions. I'm also all in for the automatic strike zone.
I do miss the pitcher batting in the NL but I'm not against having the DH. I enjoyed the strategy of double switches and pitching matchups but that probably extended games more than anything which needed to be reduced in time. Also, with expanded interleague play it makes sense for every game to played under the same rules.
Guy to start the inning on second, however, is just too much for me. But I am the outlier.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 20, 2025, 05:08:21 AMI would have preferred the extra runner doesn't start until the 11th inning. I read something that 78% of EI games were settled in the 10th. Seems like a fair statistical compromise between moving the game along and the purists.
I like this idea a lot since it's staying.
I believe I saw only 10% of games go to extras to begin with which would be 162x15x0.1 = 243 games. If only 22% go past the 10th, that's only 53 games (2.2%) it would affect each season.
Pete Rose probably will get into the Hall Fame, but it won't be anytime soon. He'll go in about 15 years hence, when some the stigma from the gambling episode is over and most of players in that drama dead.
Ditto for the steroid people, notably Bonds, Clemens, McGwire etc. They should be banned from baseball, but you cannot ignore their contributions to the game.
I'm old enough to have seen Pete Rose play. The sad thing is Pete Rose was a great baseball player. He had some talent and out-worked and out-hustled anyone of his era, which is saying a lot. Never should have left Cincinnati. Ownership of the Reds and Rose were idiots for allowing that to happen.
I remember the net debate on here. A certain former poster thought it would end the fan experience. Good to see the game was able to overcome the fans leaving in droves since they were less likely to get a foul ball.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 20, 2025, 08:59:51 AMI wouldn't consider myself a purist. I was for the pitch clock and net extensions. I'm also all in for the automatic strike zone.
I do miss the pitcher batting in the NL but I'm not against having the DH. I enjoyed the strategy of double switches and pitching matchups but that probably extended games more than anything which needed to be reduced in time. Also, with expanded interleague play it makes sense for every game to played under the same rules.
Universal DH has been great for the game but you can never take away the memory of Woody hitting a home run off Kershaw in the NLCS.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 20, 2025, 09:14:30 AMI remember the net debate on here. A certain former poster thought it would end the fan experience. Good to see the game was able to overcome the fans leaving in droves since they were less likely to get a foul ball.
Yeah, hoopaloop was infamous for his idiotic (and occasionally racist) takes ... and his statement that the nets would ruin baseball certainly was one of his more idiotic takes.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 20, 2025, 11:22:57 AMUniversal DH has been great for the game but you can never take away the memory of Woody hitting a home run off Kershaw in the NLCS.
I saw both CC Sabathia and Mark Buehrle homer at Miller Park.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 20, 2025, 09:14:30 AMI remember the net debate on here. A certain former poster thought it would end the fan experience. Good to see the game was able to overcome the fans leaving in droves since they were less likely to get a foul ball.
Incredibly funny debate
Quote from: MU82 on May 20, 2025, 12:05:38 PMYeah, hoopaloop was infamous for his idiotic (and occasionally racist) takes ... and his statement that the nets would ruin baseball certainly was one of his more idiotic takes.
Occasionally?
Quote from: BM1090 on May 19, 2025, 12:40:05 AMThink they may have found something today with the home run robbery to save the game. They finally have a weaker schedule the next 10 days. Let's see if they can rip off 6 or 7 out of 9.
Three in a row, but they don't look great doing it. Pitching is coming around. Offense doing just enough. If Henderson is legit and Woodruff can be his usual self in July, they may have something.
Offense looks a lot better if Chourio and Yelich start hitting.
Quote from: BM1090 on May 20, 2025, 10:01:04 PMThree in a row, but they don't look great doing it. Pitching is coming around. Offense doing just enough. If Henderson is legit and Woodruff can be his usual self in July, they may have something.
Offense looks a lot better if Chourio and Yelich start hitting.
I guess I don't have very high hopes for Woodruff after 1.5 years off. The pitching has been a pleasant surprise, but offense bites them. Feels like a similar story to most years.
Good thing the Orioles held onto all those prospects.
I hate the universal DH and I hate the ghost runner -- or whatever it's called. That's backyard baseball, not MLB.
I'm old enough to remember Bob Gibson jacking a home run in Game 7 of the 1967 World Series. Or pitchers who could bunt (and I know you are under 40 if you ask, "what's a bunt?). Or Rick Camp, a pitcher batting .067 breaking up an 18 inning game with a home run against the Mets.
Extra innings make the game interesting. There have been some great ones over the years and good teams find ways to win.
It's as if the ghosts of Charlie Finley and BilL Veeck are haunting the game too much.
P.S. -- How about my Cardinals? Wow, they're for real!
Quote from: dgies9156 on May 24, 2025, 04:23:36 PMI hate the universal DH and I hate the ghost runner -- or whatever it's called. That's backyard baseball, not MLB.
I'm old enough to remember Bob Gibson jacking a home run in Game 7 of the 1967 World Series. Or pitchers who could bunt (and I know you are under 40 if you ask, "what's a bunt?). Or Rick Camp, a pitcher batting .067 breaking up an 18 inning game with a home run against the Mets.
Extra innings make the game interesting. There have been some great ones over the years and good teams find ways to win.
It's as if the ghosts of Charlie Finley and BilL Veeck are haunting the game too much.
P.S. -- How about my Cardinals? Wow, they're for real!
I remember when broads didn't wear trousers to ball games
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 24, 2025, 05:21:42 PMI remember when broads didn't wear trousers to ball games
Give him a break. He's a Cardinals fan.
Jimmy Nelson's injury helped me see the light.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 24, 2025, 07:56:11 PMGive him a break. He's a Cardinals fan.
They're coming -- you watch.
I'm glad the cubs have moved on from their days of Aroldis Chapman to a much more family friendly hero we can all cheer for like Reese McGuire
Just open up the checkbook and give Skubal what he wants.
Quote from: tower912 on May 25, 2025, 08:02:10 PMJust open up the checkbook and give Skubal what he wants.
Maybe Javy will help by giving back some of the $$$ he "earned" while on his 3-year sabbatical.
Brew Crew need more national TV games.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on May 31, 2025, 04:11:01 PMBrew Crew need more national TV games.
Maybe it really was just a recovery year for Rhys last year
Diamondbacks about to learn the true price of paying for an ace
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 31, 2025, 04:12:06 PMMaybe it really was just a recovery year for Rhys last year
I think a lot of people expected a big jump this year (although maybe not this big). In my main fantasy league, he went for a lot more than anyone projected and this is a veteran league that has been around since 1991.
Some solace for Detroit fans... the Tigers activated Parker Meadows.
Quote from: Jockey on June 02, 2025, 12:28:59 PMI think a lot of people expected a big jump this year (although maybe not this big). In my main fantasy league, he went for a lot more than anyone projected and this is a veteran league that has been around since 1991.
He's available in 52% of Yahoo leagues. Issac Parades, Gavin Sheets, Michael Busch, Carlos Santana, and the Yankees Ben Rice are all better options at 1B.
George Webb unclenches
Looks like the White Sox are going to be sold to Justin Ishbia. Which means their next manager is whomever is managing the Michigan State baseball team.
https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3lqutqouqis2j
Rodger Sherman @rodger.bsky.social
Real monkey's paw situation:
Reinsdorf finally agrees to sell the White Sox
but it's to a private equity guy who helped flip the Phoenix Suns from a good team with a promising future to a bad expensive team with no future in like 3.5 years
Quote from: The Sultan on June 05, 2025, 12:36:05 PMLooks like the White Sox are going to be sold to Justin Ishbia. Which means their next manager is whomever is managing the Michigan State baseball team.
https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3lqutqouqis2j
Rodger Sherman @rodger.bsky.social
Real monkey's paw situation:
Reinsdorf finally agrees to sell the White Sox
but it's to a private equity guy who helped flip the Phoenix Suns from a good team with a promising future to a bad expensive team with no future in like 3.5 years
Someone should tell Rodger Sherman that Justin Ishbia and Mat Ishbia aren't actually the same person.
The catch here is that Justin - not Mat - Ishbia won't obtain a controlling interest in the team until 2029 at the earliest, and perhaps not until 2034.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 05, 2025, 12:43:14 PMSomeone should tell Rodger Sherman that Justin Ishbia and Mat Ishbia aren't actually the same person.
The catch here is that Justin - not Mat - Ishbia won't obtain a controlling interest in the team until 2029 at the earliest, and perhaps not until 2034.
Yes, I am sure he will run the team materially differently. And the fact that it would take that long to get control of the team is actually not a good thing.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 05, 2025, 12:44:35 PMYes, I am sure he will run the team materially differently. And the fact that it would take that long to get control of the team is actually not a good thing.
The guy clearly and erroneously thought Mat is the Ishbia buying the Sox, and your take is "Well, he'll do the same things because they're related."
OK.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 05, 2025, 12:51:38 PMThe guy clearly and erroneously thought Mat is the Iahbia buying the Sox, and your take is "Well, he'll do the same things because they're related."
OK.
Or maybe I didn't put a lot of thought into it because I thought it was a funny throw away line about a team that does a lot of dumb things.
I will do a much more thorough analysis, including footnotes, for the dull pedants of Scoop in the future.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 05, 2025, 12:55:41 PMOr maybe I didn't put a lot of thought into it because I thought it was a funny throw away line about a team that does a lot of dumb things.
I will do a much more thorough analysis, including footnotes, for the dull pedants of Scoop in the future.
The funny, yet totally unsurprising, takeaway here is you made my comment all about you.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 05, 2025, 01:05:46 PMThe funny, yet totally unsurprising, takeaway here is you made my comment all about you.
Yes. Thanks for noticing.
It was also about you as a point of contrast however. I hope you noticed that as well.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 05, 2025, 12:43:14 PMSomeone should tell Rodger Sherman that Justin Ishbia and Mat Ishbia aren't actually the same person.
The catch here is that Justin - not Mat - Ishbia won't obtain a controlling interest in the team until 2029 at the earliest, and perhaps not until 2034.
Both run the Suns, Mat is the majority owner, Justin the minority owner.
Justin echoed Mat's excitement stating, "We are thrilled about the opportunity to make a positive impact on the Phoenix sports ecosystem and community through a people-first, family approach. My brother and I look forward to bringing our passion for basketball and competitive spirit to The Valley."
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 05, 2025, 01:16:38 PMBoth run the Suns, Mat is the majority owner, Justin the minority owner.
Justin echoed Mat's excitement stating, "We are thrilled about the opportunity to make a positive impact on the Phoenix sports ecosystem and community through a people-first, family approach. My brother and I look forward to bringing our passion for basketball and competitive spirit to The Valley."
It is impossible to tell if Justin will be a good owner of the Sox, but it is really hard to imagine him being worse the JR is now. IMO JR was a decent owner of the Bulls and Sox until recently (last 5-10 years). Now he is truly awful and I'd guess it is an age issue. But, there is at least some reason for hope on the Southside, which is a good thing.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 05, 2025, 02:00:56 PMIt is impossible to tell if Justin will be a good owner of the Sox, but it is really hard to imagine him being worse the JR is now. IMO JR was a decent owner of the Bulls and Sox until recently (last 5-10 years). Now he is truly awful and I'd guess it is an age issue. But, there is at least some reason for hope on the Southside, which is a good thing.
what's the stadium situation? Don't they want to replace whatever the hell it's called park?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 05, 2025, 01:16:38 PMBoth run the Suns, Mat is the majority owner, Justin the minority owner.
Justin echoed Mat's excitement stating, "We are thrilled about the opportunity to make a positive impact on the Phoenix sports ecosystem and community through a people-first, family approach. My brother and I look forward to bringing our passion for basketball and competitive spirit to The Valley."
Justin isn't involved in team operations. He's an investor.
https://basketball.realgm.com/nba/teams/Phoenix-Suns/23/staff-members/Current/grid
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 05, 2025, 02:02:28 PMwhat's the stadium situation? Don't they want to replace whatever the hell it's called park?
I'd put the Sox new stadium chances about even with MU's D1 football return.
#PrayForTheLeagueAsEarlyAs2029AndAsLateAs2034
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 05, 2025, 04:06:12 PMI'd put the Sox new stadium chances about even with MU's D1 football return.
Especially since the Fire just stole their site.
TJ surgery for Corbin Burnes
Great replies from the BFIB
https://x.com/cardinals/status/1931018293101420705?s=46&t=T--mXc-05-QK2638LPjuBg
They're not good, but this Sox team is fun to watch and see them develop.
Very impressed with Meidroth.
Quote from: Jockey on June 06, 2025, 10:00:28 PMNick Madrigal clone?
What Madrigal was supposed to be, but never was.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 13, 2025, 07:16:45 PMWhat Madrigal was supposed to be, but never was.
Pretty sad when the profile he failed to reach was 'a singles hitter with no speed'.
Devers to SF.
Good trade for both teams.
Shohei starting tomorrow night vs Padres. (Or tonight, for those not on West Coast.)
Quote from: Jockey on June 15, 2025, 07:15:23 PMGood trade for both teams.
Don't disagree, but surprised Boston wasn't able to extract a little more prospect capital, even with Devers' contract. I've also been surprised that SF has been incapable of enticing significant free agent hitters considering they've got as much money as anyone to throw around, outside NYY, NYM, and LAD. Is Oracle becoming to free agent hitters what Coors is to pitchers?