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Quote from: tower912 on March 27, 2025, 07:47:47 PM1-161 still on the table for CWS.

Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 09:42:34 PMSuck it, haters.

https://x.com/JayCuda/status/1905394126004027709

Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 27, 2025, 09:44:55 PMI'm booking hotel rooms in LA for October. Any recommendations?

Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 09:51:03 PMThe Magic Castle Hotel is on point.  Unlimited free snacks by the pool, including soft serve ice cream.

Quote from: SoCalEagle on March 28, 2025, 12:43:26 PMThe Dodgers are off to a good start.  Hope to see them keep plugging away, get some good pitching, and have Ohtani go 60/60 (it's a stretch goal).  Can't wait for summer.  Grab some seats somewhere in Loge 218 to 220, watch the sunset while eating a Dodger dog and drinking a cold beer.  Life is good.     

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 29, 2025, 02:47:41 PMIt hasn't gotten any better.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 03:01:35 PMFrom a comedy standpoint, I disagree

Quote from: cheebs09 on March 29, 2025, 01:32:57 PMDid Nestor serve as the BP pitcher while on the Yankees or is that just today?

Quote from: SoCalEagle on March 28, 2025, 12:43:26 PMThe Dodgers are off to a good start.  Hope to see them keep plugging away, get some good pitching, and have Ohtani go 60/60 (it's a stretch goal).  Can't wait for summer.  Grab some seats somewhere in Loge 218 to 220, watch the sunset while eating a Dodger dog and drinking a cold beer.  Life is good.     

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 30, 2025, 02:12:10 PMYankee bats!

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/yankees-new-bats-come-light-9-homer-onslaught-vs-brewers

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 30, 2025, 02:12:10 PMYankee bats!

https://www.foxnews.com/sports/yankees-new-bats-come-light-9-homer-onslaught-vs-brewers

Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 30, 2025, 09:07:36 PMHas any team humiliated themselves in a season opening series as badly as the Brewers just did?

Quote from: Jockey on March 31, 2025, 12:47:47 PMWith SEVEN possible starters - Woodruff, Myers, Quintana, Hall, Gasser, Civale, and Ashby - unable to pitch, it has been no surprise.

Quote from: MU1in77 on March 31, 2025, 03:45:15 PMIf the Brewers can hold KC to 10 runs it will bring their team ERA down (was 12.3 before the game)!

Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 31, 2025, 04:56:37 PMYikes! Similar to the White Sox adding .210 hitters to raise the team average most of last year.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 31, 2025, 10:12:31 PMYou mean our 2-2 red hot white sox?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 31, 2025, 10:20:27 PMYes!!

And what is going on with the Twins?

Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 31, 2025, 10:12:31 PMYou mean our 2-2 red hot white sox?

Quote from: MU82 on April 01, 2025, 10:37:28 AMUsing a torpedo bat for the first time last night, Elly De La Cruz went 4-for-5 with 2 HR and 7 RBI in Cincinnati's 14-3 win over Texas.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 03, 2025, 05:41:56 AMAre the braves the new white Sox?

Quote from: Jockey on April 01, 2025, 02:35:24 PMThe bats have a built-in sensor letting hitters know which pitches to swing at.

Rafael Devers is planning on using one.

Quote from: #UnleashSean on April 04, 2025, 04:08:17 PMOh how I love early season baseball. Cubs are in first, I'm full of hope.




Of course none of that will last.

Quote from: JWags85 on April 04, 2025, 04:29:24 PMOh ye of little faith.  Shoto is totally finishing the year with a sub 1 ERA and Tucker is gonna hit .325 with 50 bombs.

Quote from: Jockey on April 06, 2025, 01:40:29 PMNestor to the IL (probable TJ surgery?).

That makes 8 starters that are hurt and we're only 10 days into the season.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2025, 02:52:43 PMIf this current roster somehow contends this year with all these pitching injuries, I'll never doubt their ability to maximize the guys they have

Quote from: GB Warrior on April 06, 2025, 04:46:08 PMGreat they have me lowering the bar to "making the playoffs is good enough"

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2025, 04:48:43 PMI'm being realistic with the current rotation.  They're running dentists out there.

Quote from: cheebs09 on April 06, 2025, 04:53:55 PMGreat, now we have to worry about injuries and jail time.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2025, 04:48:43 PMI'm being realistic with the current rotation.  They're running dentists out there.

Quote from: cheebs09 on April 07, 2025, 10:26:13 AMInteresting trade for the Brew Crew. Kind of sounds like they gave up a lot for someone so unproven, but if their pitching lab can work their magic, it could be a nice pickup.

https://x.com/AdamMcCalvy/status/1909260450098782539?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1909260450098782539%7Ctwgr%5E8d549252cdb09e08b67a71f027674ec60c7fd401%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fbrewerfanatic.com%2Findex.php%3Fapp%3Dcoremodule%3Dsystemcontroller%3Dembedurl%3Dhttps%3A%2F%2Fx.com%2FAdamMcCalvy%2Fstatus%2F1909260450098782539

Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2025, 10:54:39 AMFrom The Athletic:

Filed under "whoops": The Pirates apologized yesterday for replacing a Roberto Clemente logo on the right-field wall with an advertisement for a canned vodka drink, saying they will reinstate the logo after family members were upset by the switch. The club also insists it was an honest mistake and miscommunication.

Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2025, 12:39:37 PMWhen Aaron Judge homered Friday, it was his 321st HR in his 1,000th career game.

Babe Ruth also hit his 321st HR as a Yankee in his 1,000th game with the team.

It doesn't mean anything, just something I read that made me go, "How 'bout that?"

Quote from: #UnleashSean on April 07, 2025, 01:02:22 PMThis stat is infinitly more fun then the one about the reds posted earlier.

Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2025, 12:39:37 PMWhen Aaron Judge homered Friday, it was his 321st HR in his 1,000th career game.

Babe Ruth also hit his 321st HR as a Yankee in his 1,000th game with the team.

It doesn't mean anything, just something I read that made me go, "How 'bout that?"

Quote from: Mutaman on April 08, 2025, 05:46:50 PMMonday night Hunter Green became first starting pitcher in history to throw 100 MPH in the 9th inning.  Stats go back 17 years.

Quote from: wadesworld on April 12, 2025, 09:57:28 PMMaybe time to only throw Payamps out there down 5+ in the late innings for a while.

Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 09:50:22 PMI wonder how many 100 mph pitches Nolan Ryan threw in the 9th innings of his 222 complete games.

Quote from: wadesworld on April 12, 2025, 09:57:28 PMMaybe time to only throw Payamps out there down 5+ in the late innings for a while.

Quote from: Mutaman on April 12, 2025, 11:15:47 PM32 complete games short of Gibson.
160 complete games short of Spahn.
527 complete games short of Cy Young.

Quote from: 18thandWells on April 14, 2025, 11:15:05 AM"After 73PA (72AB), Jackson Chourio's OBP (.288) is less than his Batting Average (.292)."

Quote from: GB Warrior on April 14, 2025, 11:24:24 AMHe's playing well but it's not sustainable for that reason. Teams are going to start giving him the Javi Baez treatment

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 14, 2025, 01:03:34 PMTwins starters last week pitched 32 1/3 innings for a .84 era

Team went 2-4.

That's a low even for us.

Quote from: Jockey on April 14, 2025, 04:25:37 PMAt least Royce is pounding the ball.   :-[

Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2025, 07:48:01 PMIt may be that tuning in to the Brewers game could be interesting.  I shan't say more.

Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2025, 07:51:08 PMC'mon, man.

Quote from: tower912 on April 14, 2025, 07:58:47 PMLiar.

Quote from: Mutaman on April 12, 2025, 11:15:47 PM32 complete games short of Gibson.
160 complete games short of Spahn.
527 complete games short of Cy Young.

Quote from: MuggsyB on April 15, 2025, 06:34:25 PMHappy Jackie Robinson Day.  Hopefully Rachel Robinson is doing okay.  She's 102. 

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 16, 2025, 09:25:22 PMhttps://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6273808/2025/04/16/mlb-top-10-front-offices-executive-vote/?campaign=13243323&source=athletic_targeted_email&userId=9696215

Brewers' front office voted top three by peers

Quote from: tower912 on April 19, 2025, 06:45:18 PMTigers IL starting to resemble the Lions last season.  However, starting pitching is really good and Torkelson is hitting the crap out of the ball.

Quote from: #UnleashSean on April 15, 2025, 06:54:27 PMWay to answer something that had nothing to do with the question.

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 19, 2025, 06:40:09 PMTwins are a disaster

Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2025, 10:59:56 AMOver the years, Braves manager Brian Snitker has yanked three players from games for not hustling:

Ender Inciarte in July 2018 after Inciarte failed to run hard on a pop-up that was dropped by the shortstop ... Ronald Acuna in August 2019 after Acuna stood and watched what he thought would be a HR and ended up with only a single. ... and Marcell Ozuna in June 2023 after Ozuna watched a fly ball that hit the wall, thinking it would be an HR; it ended up only being a single.

After pulling Acuna from the 2019 game, Snitker said: "He didn't run. You've got to run. It's not going to be acceptable here. As a teammate, you're responsible for 24 other guys. That name on the front is a lot more important than the name on the back of that jersey. You can't do that. We're trying to accomplish something and do something special here, and personal things have to be put on the back burner. You just can't let your team down like that."

So it didn't sit well with Acuna on Saturday that Snitker took absolutely no action against Jarred Kelenic, who was thrown out at second base after having stood at home plate watching his presumed HR.

"If it were me, they would take me out of the game," Acuna twitted.

Snitker claimed he wasn't watching Kelenic's play - an odd admission for a manager to make - and said the two talked about the situation after the game. Kelenic said it was he, not Snitker, who initiated the conversation. Afterward, Snitker said: "All the situations when they happen, they're all different."

Some in the Latino community were not happy with the "different" situations - given that only one of the four ballplayers is a white American, and that the white American was the only one who wasn't disciplined.

No one but Snitker will ever know if that had anything to do with it, but it's obviously a bad look.

Quote from: JWags85 on April 21, 2025, 11:15:23 AMIts a bad look, but I'll play Devils Advocate in a way.  Inciarte was a pereniall Gold Glove winning, recent All Star when he got yanked.  Acuña was the reigning ROY, an All Star, and budding superstar.  Ozuna was/is a star on a big contract (who also had a DUI and domestic violence suspensions in the previous year.  Meanwhile, Kelenic has been a tremendously mediocre pro and was terrible in Spring Training and has been to start the year.

While, ideally, you hold all players to a similar standard of hustle and professionalism, we know thats often not the case.  But while I can see why someone would look at the Latino vs American angle, my initial read was a manager being harder on and expecting better of star players than someone who could very well end up in AAA later this summer if injuries subside in Atlanta.

Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2025, 12:27:23 PMWe'll agree to disagree on some of this.

Even if racism had absolutely nothing to do with it - and that's certainly possible, maybe even probable - it's a bad look to "let it slide" for a non-standout.

I've coached, and maybe you have too. You simply have to be consistent with this kind of thing. Your athletes are watching you, and they're noticing.

You think it helps Snitker's credibility or authority when a great player like Acuna is twitting about it - and when it's pretty much impossible to say Acuna's twit was wrong?

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 26, 2025, 08:13:43 AMDevin Williams sucks.  Brewers must have been unhappy to trade him.  He's cost the Yankees at least 4 games this year already.

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 26, 2025, 08:13:43 AMDevin Williams sucks.  Brewers must have been unhappy to trade him.  He's cost the Yankees at least 4 games this year already.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 26, 2025, 12:29:54 PMSurprised a guy that once punched a wall in celebration is having a hard time in a high pressure environment.

Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2025, 10:18:12 AMGotta love the SF Giants winning an MLB game on a "Little League home run."

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/heliot-ramos-giants-stun-rangers-with-wild-walk-off-little-league-home-run-after-late-errors-231309346.html?

Quote from: Dish on April 30, 2025, 08:54:56 PMI'll ask this only because it looks on video that way...

Was that a suicide attempt in Pittsburgh?

I don't say that jokingly at all.

Quote from: MU82 on April 30, 2025, 09:03:43 PMMike Trout leaves today's game in Seattle with a knee injury.

Meanwhile, "my" Mariners are red hot!

Quote from: PointWarrior on May 01, 2025, 08:44:26 PMHave fun with that - they will be hot until August, then fade and miss the playoffs.

Quote from: Dish on April 30, 2025, 08:54:56 PMI'll ask this only because it looks on video that way...

Was that a suicide attempt in Pittsburgh?

I don't say that jokingly at all.

Quote from: MU82 on May 02, 2025, 04:44:32 PMInteresting article in The Athletic about how the strike zone has shrunk a bit this season.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6328105/2025/05/01/mlb-umpire-strike-zone-buffer-zone-change/?

(https://static01.nyt.com/athletic/uploads/wp/2025/05/02172902/Shadow_strikzone_shift_FINAL_V2.jpg)

Here's the start of the article:

In the winter, Major League Baseball negotiated a seemingly simple change in how home-plate umpires are graded and evaluated. But now, a month into the season, its impact on balls and strikes has players asking questions about what they believe is a tightened strike zone — and searching for ways to adjust to a new wrinkle they say caught them by surprise.

That change, which was part of a new labor agreement with the Major League Umpires Association, significantly decreased the margin of error for umpires in their evaluations — and has resulted in fewer called strikes off the edges of the plate through the same point as last season.

"Everybody's zone has shrunk," Angels catcher Travis d'Arnaud told The Athletic. "Every (umpire) across the league."

The actual number of pitches affected is relatively small. But the reaction — from pitchers, catchers, pitching coaches and analytics-driven front offices — has been anything but. They say the shift in how balls and strikes are now called is already having an impact on game-planning, pitch sequencing, pitch framing techniques, evaluation models and even roster construction.

For the past two decades, umpires were working with a "buffer zone" that gave them 2 inches of leeway — on all sides of the plate, just off the strike zone — when they were graded on how accurately they called balls and strikes.

Now, however, that buffer zone has shrunk, from 2 inches on all sides to just three-quarters of an inch on all sides, inside and outside the strike zone, according to league sources briefed on the change but not authorized to discuss the matter publicly. An MLB official confirmed that the buffer zone had decreased in size.

The intent of the buffer zone change is simple: to call the rulebook strike zone more accurately. But the real-life impact seems to have caught pitchers and catchers in particular off guard, even though the definition of the actual strike zone remains the same.

"I was unaware of that," Phillies reliever Matt Strahm said of the change. "I thought everything was going to be normal after spring (training, when MLB tested an electronic ball-strike challenge system). Go back to what we've been doing. I guess I wasn't aware that the (buffer zone) has shrunk."

An MLB official said, "The rulebook strike zone has not changed and we have not instructed umpires to call a different strike zone. In response to consistent player and club desire to have umpires evaluated more closely to the rulebook strike zone, we agreed with the MLB Umpires Association in their new CBA to reduce the size of the 'buffer' around the border of the strike zone, which essentially protects an umpire from being graded 'incorrect' on extremely close misses.

"We informed the GMs and Field Managers that we were seeking this change during the offseason," the official said, "and again informed the Clubs when the umpire CBA was ratified. Overall ball-strike accuracy in 2025 is the highest it has ever been through this point in the season."

Quote from: MU82 on May 07, 2025, 10:42:18 AMFrom Yahoo Sports:

The Giants scored 9 runs in the 11th inning of their 14-5 win over the Cubs, tied for the fifth-largest margin of victory in extra innings in the last 125 years. Cubs closer Ryan Pressly allowed all nine runs without recording an out, seeing his ERA balloon from 2.08 to 7.62.

Meanwhile, Chicago's other team found yet another way to lose, as White Sox 2B Chase Meidroth missed a routine pop-up ... and the ball bounced off his head. That sparked a KC rally that led to a Royals' comeback win.

https://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/article/white-sox-find-new-way-to-lose-as-9th-inning-pop-up-bounces-off-2b-chase-meidroths-head-041708326.html?

Quote from: MU82 on May 09, 2025, 10:55:51 AMRafael Devers ... quite a leader and team player. All at a cost of only $313.5 million.

Quote from: JWags85 on May 09, 2025, 01:32:05 PMI'm historically usually pretty forgiving for a lot of player complaints.  Slow to get to "shut up and play" or "how can you complain when you're making that much money" cause I can rationalize what a different set of circumstances it is professionally.

That being said...Ive looked at multiple articles and quotes about this and can't find any angle that doesn't make Devers look like a whiney malcontent.  He's not being benched.  He's already playing DH, so its not like he's some great fielder sad about being moved from his marquee position.  And he's not in a contract year.  Just a lazy loser attitude.

Meanwhile, you have a guy like Tatis who has been moved around multiple times in the field and in the order and instead became a GG at his new position and on pace for another career year.

Quote from: tower912 on May 11, 2025, 07:01:40 PMLance McCullers children threatened because he had a bad game.   

What have we become?

Leo XIV, you have a challenge in front of you.

Quote from: tower912 on May 11, 2025, 07:01:40 PMLance McCullers children threatened because he had a bad game.   

What have we become?

Leo XIV, you have a challenge in front of you.

Quote from: Jay Bee on May 12, 2025, 07:59:06 AMThe Twins are effin hott!!

Quote from: The Sultan on May 11, 2025, 07:03:10 PMGood luck. He's a Sox fan.

Quote from: Pakuni on May 13, 2025, 03:10:33 PMhttps://x.com/DVNJr/status/1922380362493169953

Quote from: Jockey on May 13, 2025, 03:33:24 PMIt'll be funny to see how many voters whose moral compass won't allow them to vote for Bonds, but will vote for Rose.

I see no chance of Rose still getting in anytime in the near future, though.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 13, 2025, 03:52:23 PMI don't see Jackson, Rose or Bonds making it. Just speaking for myself, I'm okay with that.

Quote from: wadesworld on May 13, 2025, 04:07:35 PMThat's because baseball writers take themselves way, way too seriously.

Quote from: wadesworld on May 13, 2025, 04:07:35 PMThat's because baseball writers take themselves way, way too seriously.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 13, 2025, 04:23:03 PMPut them all in if their numbers warrant it.  It's a museum.  If someone was proven guilty of something, note that. 

Quote from: ChuckyChip on May 13, 2025, 04:21:38 PMI don't think the baseball writers will be voting on Jackson or Rose.  They would fall to the veterans committee (or whatever) which I believe is made up of former players/current HOFers.

Quote from: The Sultan on May 13, 2025, 04:29:21 PMIt's the Classic Baseball Era Committee, but they only select every three years is my understanding. And that is how Dick Allen and Dave Parker were elected for this upcoming year, so the earliest looks like it would be 2028.

Unless I am misunderstanding this.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 13, 2025, 04:23:03 PMPut them all in if their numbers warrant it.  It's a museum.  If someone was proven guilty of something, note that. 

Quote from: ChuckyChip on May 13, 2025, 04:37:56 PMSounds right. My point was that it will not be the BBWA group, who vote on the "regular" candidates, that would be involved in voting on Rose or any of the other reinstated players.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 13, 2025, 05:51:32 PMSay what you will about Pete Rose but he is probably the all-time hits leaders amongst pedophiles

Quote from: MU82 on May 13, 2025, 06:45:28 PMFor better or worse, he'd just be one of many douchenozzle SOBs in the Hall.

Among the rules that BBWAA voters are asked to follow is this:

Voting shall be based upon the player's record, playing ability, integrity, sportsmanship, character and contributions to the team(s) on which the player played.

But very few voters rank integrity, sportsmanship and character high on the list (if at all) when filling out their ballots.

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 13, 2025, 07:05:34 PMHow good was Willie Keeler?  Listed at 5'4. 

Career .341 hitter.

:)

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 13, 2025, 07:09:47 PMI don't know.  He's been dead for a century
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Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 13, 2025, 07:09:47 PMI don't know.  He's been dead for a century

You're supposed to know. Another example of EDCB (Extreme Diminutive Citizen Bias).  Inexcusable.

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 13, 2025, 08:02:45 PMYou're supposed to know. Another example of EDCB (Extreme Diminutive Citizen Bias).  Inexcusable.

Quote from: tower912 on May 13, 2025, 08:05:52 PMThen why do you have to ask?  Inexcusable that you don't know details about a short baseball player.

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 13, 2025, 08:56:25 PMIt's Rico's job to know.  He should apologize for emphasizing Willie's death. 

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 13, 2025, 10:11:40 PMHe's still dead

Quote from: MuggsyB on May 13, 2025, 10:19:27 PMYes.  But Willie Keeler, Willie Shoemaker, and Willie Pep should all he greatly respected. Pep was a heck of a fighter. 

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 13, 2025, 10:22:09 PMSo should Seka

Quote from: tower912 on May 14, 2025, 04:48:34 AMHis willingness to switch positions at this point in his career, coming back and remaining positive, being a good teammate despite 3 disappointing seasons and injuries requiring surgery, to me are the most impressive things.

Quote from: wadesworld on May 14, 2025, 11:11:53 AMThe most exciting player baseball has ever seen.  Have you ever seen the guy slide into a base?

Quote from: dgies9156 on May 15, 2025, 11:09:30 AMThe Cardinals are coming, tra la tra la.

10 of their last 11. I know they can't keep this up but geez, they're finally playing the Cardinal way!

Quote from: The Sultan on May 15, 2025, 09:36:24 AMThis entire episode feels like MLB taking itself too seriously again. Now we have a fresh batch of "should Pete Rose be in the Hall of Fame" takes that aren't covering any new ground that hasn't been covered over the last 30 years. I don't know if this is because a lot of media is still based out east, and there they treat baseball with more sanctity than anyone else, but I just don't know why they do this.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 15, 2025, 11:12:49 AMWith an all-white lineup?

Quote from: cheebs09 on May 18, 2025, 05:11:42 PMThe Brewers strategy of losing the first two games and winning the last to avoid the sweep doesn't seem like a great one.

Quote from: MU82 on May 15, 2025, 11:55:47 AMRelated: The Athletic did a reader poll about whether or not Rose should get in the Hall. I was quite surprised to see that, among more than 17K respondents, 53% said no. I just assumed that the average sports fan would think he should get in, but I was wrong.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 19, 2025, 09:01:42 AMI am also surprised. I know there is a logical conclusion that the prevalence of sports gambling would result in a more tolerant view of betting on sports, but maybe the opposite has happened. Maybe more people who wager have a serious issue with the real, or perceived, validity of outcomes if the participants are also wagering. Just a thought.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 19, 2025, 09:01:42 AMI am also surprised. I know there is a logical conclusion that the prevalence of sports gambling would result in a more tolerant view of betting on sports, but maybe the opposite has happened. Maybe more people who wager have a serious issue with the real, or perceived, validity of outcomes if the participants are also wagering. Just a thought.

Quote from: The Sultan on May 19, 2025, 09:13:19 AMI think that's exactly it. I don't think most people mind that he was gambling, but gambling on games in which you are participating is where the line is drawn.

Quote from: MUBurrow on May 19, 2025, 09:17:10 AMI think pure fatigue with the question/issue plays a role too. My reaction to the "breaking news" about MLB changing their position on this was just "JFC who cares, just leave it and stop insisting I should care about it." And I think for folks who feel similarly, that weighs on the side of not letting Rose in the HoF.

Quote from: MU82 on May 19, 2025, 09:19:10 AMThere actually are some dopes who think it's OK that he bet on the Reds, including one powerful dope who recently lobbied Manfred on Rose's behalf.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 19, 2025, 09:01:42 AMI am also surprised. I know there is a logical conclusion that the prevalence of sports gambling would result in a more tolerant view of betting on sports, but maybe the opposite has happened. Maybe more people who wager have a serious issue with the real, or perceived, validity of outcomes if the participants are also wagering. Just a thought.

Quote from: CTWarrior on May 19, 2025, 11:52:16 AMI don't think MLB being tolerant of gambling by fans on their sport has ANYTHING to do with Rose.  Players and managers gambling cannot be allowed because it risks the integrity of the game.  MLB cannot tolerate anything that may entice players to not give their best.

In Rose's case, he bet on his team while managing, which to me is a disqualifier.

Bonds, Clemens, etc. are just examples of baseball's long tradition of cheating to get a competitive advantage.  (Electronically stealing signs, corking bats, doctoring the baseball, amphetamines/greenies, etc.)  They just found something that worked too well.

If the steroids guys got in, I wouldn't like it, but I'd be OK with it.  There are definitely steroid users in the HOF, probably double figures.

Joe Jackson is the one guy who absolutely, positively, should not be elected to HOF.  There is no dispute that he took money to lose World Series games on purpose.  There should be no getting around that.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 19, 2025, 12:29:17 PMI think you misunderstood my post. I was speaking to the fans' majority position to not elect Rose to the HOF. It seemed to run contrary to a general acceptance of gambling on sports these days.

I tend to agree on Jackson even though he batted .375 in the Series.

Quote from: Jockey on May 19, 2025, 12:43:07 PMSo Shoeless played better when he was "throwing" games than when he wasn't? Did the gamblers forget to explain the premise to him?

Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 19, 2025, 12:44:18 PMRandom complaint: 

I didn't mind the runner on second to start extras in 2020 since that was a good throw away season to try stuff.  But I really hate that it stuck around. 

An extra inning loss doesn't feel equal to a regular loss.  I'd hate it a little less if they had an "Extra Inning Loss" category in the standings like hockey. 

I dislike almost everything Manfred has done with the exception of the pitch clock which might be the greatest improvement on the game in my lifetime. 

Quote from: BM1090 on May 19, 2025, 03:25:55 PMYeah I love the runner on second. If it ever was adopted for the playoffs I'd hate it, but it's great for fans who don't want to be stuck at a game 18 innings and for wear and tear on players. Big win IMO

Quote from: The Sultan on May 19, 2025, 09:23:09 AMThis too. I'm 57 years old, and while I saw him play, his peak was when I was a wee lad. Most baseball fans at best have fleeting memories of him and/or never saw him as anything more than an old crank.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 19, 2025, 12:44:18 PMRandom complaint: 

I didn't mind the runner on second to start extras in 2020 since that was a good throw away season to try stuff.  But I really hate that it stuck around. 

An extra inning loss doesn't feel equal to a regular loss.  I'd hate it a little less if they had an "Extra Inning Loss" category in the standings like hockey. 

I dislike almost everything Manfred has done with the exception of the pitch clock which might be the greatest improvement on the game in my lifetime. 

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 20, 2025, 05:08:21 AMNo EIL category.  Didn't need it.

I would have preferred the extra runner doesn't start until the 11th inning.  I read something that 78% of EI games were settled in the 10th.  Seems like a fair statistical compromise between moving the game along and the purists.

Quote from: The Sultan on May 20, 2025, 08:04:47 AMCounterpoint: The "purists" are annoying so anything that gets them irritated is fine by me.

They were also against the pitch clock and the extension of the nets. And surprise, surprise, the former was GREAT for the game, and the latter didn't come close to being the travesty that they said it would be.

Quote from: The Sultan on May 19, 2025, 09:23:09 AMThis too. I'm 57 years old, and while I saw him play, his peak was when I was a wee lad. Most baseball fans at best have fleeting memories of him and/or never saw him as anything more than an old crank.

Quote from: The Sultan on May 20, 2025, 08:04:47 AMCounterpoint: The "purists" are annoying so anything that gets them irritated is fine by me.

They were also against the pitch clock and the extension of the nets. And surprise, surprise, the former was GREAT for the game, and the latter didn't come close to being the travesty that they said it would be.

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on May 20, 2025, 05:08:21 AMI would have preferred the extra runner doesn't start until the 11th inning.  I read something that 78% of EI games were settled in the 10th.  Seems like a fair statistical compromise between moving the game along and the purists.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on May 20, 2025, 08:59:51 AMI wouldn't consider myself a purist.  I was for the pitch clock and net extensions.  I'm also all in for the automatic strike zone.

I do miss the pitcher batting in the NL but I'm not against having the DH. I enjoyed the strategy of double switches and pitching matchups but that probably extended games more than anything which needed to be reduced in time.  Also, with expanded interleague play it makes sense for every game to played under the same rules.
 

Quote from: cheebs09 on May 20, 2025, 09:14:30 AMI remember the net debate on here. A certain former poster thought it would end the fan experience. Good to see the game was able to overcome the fans leaving in droves since they were less likely to get a foul ball.

Quote from: GB Warrior on May 20, 2025, 11:22:57 AMUniversal DH has been great for the game but you can never take away the memory of Woody hitting a home run off Kershaw in the NLCS.

Quote from: cheebs09 on May 20, 2025, 09:14:30 AMI remember the net debate on here. A certain former poster thought it would end the fan experience. Good to see the game was able to overcome the fans leaving in droves since they were less likely to get a foul ball.

Quote from: MU82 on May 20, 2025, 12:05:38 PMYeah, hoopaloop was infamous for his idiotic (and occasionally racist) takes ... and his statement that the nets would ruin baseball certainly was one of his more idiotic takes.

Quote from: BM1090 on May 19, 2025, 12:40:05 AMThink they may have found something today with the home run robbery to save the game. They finally have a weaker schedule the next 10 days. Let's see if they can rip off 6 or 7 out of 9.

Quote from: BM1090 on May 20, 2025, 10:01:04 PMThree in a row, but they don't look great doing it. Pitching is coming around. Offense doing just enough. If Henderson is legit and Woodruff can be his usual self in July, they may have something.

Offense looks a lot better if Chourio and Yelich start hitting.

Quote from: dgies9156 on May 24, 2025, 04:23:36 PMI hate the universal DH and I hate the ghost runner -- or whatever it's called. That's backyard baseball, not MLB.

I'm old enough to remember Bob Gibson jacking a home run in Game 7 of the 1967 World Series. Or pitchers who could bunt (and I know you are under 40 if you ask, "what's a bunt?). Or Rick Camp, a pitcher batting .067 breaking up an 18 inning game with a home run against the Mets.

Extra innings make the game interesting. There have been some great ones over the years and good teams find ways to win.

It's as if the ghosts of Charlie Finley and BilL Veeck are haunting the game too much.

P.S. -- How about my Cardinals? Wow, they're for real!

Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 24, 2025, 05:21:42 PMI remember when broads didn't wear trousers to ball games

Quote from: The Sultan on May 24, 2025, 07:56:11 PMGive him a break. He's a Cardinals fan.

Quote from: dgies9156 on May 25, 2025, 06:43:54 PMThey're coming -- you watch.

Quote from: tower912 on May 25, 2025, 08:02:10 PMJust open up the checkbook and give Skubal what he wants.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on May 31, 2025, 04:11:01 PMBrew Crew need more national TV games.

Quote from: GB Warrior on May 31, 2025, 04:12:06 PMMaybe it really was just a recovery year for Rhys last year

Quote from: Jockey on June 02, 2025, 12:28:59 PMI think a lot of people expected a big jump this year (although maybe not this big). In my main fantasy league, he went for a lot more than anyone projected and this is a veteran league that has been around since 1991.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 05, 2025, 12:36:05 PMLooks like the White Sox are going to be sold to Justin Ishbia. Which means their next manager is whomever is managing the Michigan State baseball team.

https://bsky.app/profile/rodger.bsky.social/post/3lqutqouqis2j
‪Rodger Sherman‬  ‪@rodger.bsky.social‬

Real monkey's paw situation:
Reinsdorf finally agrees to sell the White Sox
but it's to a private equity guy who helped flip the Phoenix Suns from a good team with a promising future to a bad expensive team with no future in like 3.5 years

Quote from: Pakuni on June 05, 2025, 12:43:14 PMSomeone should tell Rodger Sherman that Justin Ishbia and Mat Ishbia aren't actually the same person.

The catch here is that Justin - not Mat - Ishbia won't obtain a controlling interest in the team until 2029 at the earliest, and perhaps not until 2034.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 05, 2025, 12:44:35 PMYes, I am sure he will run the team materially differently. And the fact that it would take that long to get control of the team is actually not a good thing.

Quote from: Pakuni on June 05, 2025, 12:51:38 PMThe guy clearly and erroneously thought Mat is the Iahbia buying the Sox, and your take is "Well, he'll do the same things because they're related."
OK.

Quote from: The Sultan on June 05, 2025, 12:55:41 PMOr maybe I didn't put a lot of thought into it because I thought it was a funny throw away line about a team that does a lot of dumb things.

I will do a much more thorough analysis, including footnotes, for the dull pedants of Scoop in the future.

Quote from: Pakuni on June 05, 2025, 01:05:46 PMThe funny, yet totally unsurprising, takeaway here is you made my comment all about you.

Quote from: Pakuni on June 05, 2025, 12:43:14 PMSomeone should tell Rodger Sherman that Justin Ishbia and Mat Ishbia aren't actually the same person.

The catch here is that Justin - not Mat - Ishbia won't obtain a controlling interest in the team until 2029 at the earliest, and perhaps not until 2034.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 05, 2025, 01:16:38 PMBoth run the Suns, Mat is the majority owner, Justin the minority owner.

Justin echoed Mat's excitement stating, "We are thrilled about the opportunity to make a positive impact on the Phoenix sports ecosystem and community through a people-first, family approach.  My brother and I look forward to bringing our passion for basketball and competitive spirit to The Valley."

Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 05, 2025, 02:00:56 PMIt is impossible to tell if Justin will be a good owner of the Sox, but it is really hard to imagine him being worse the JR is now. IMO JR was a decent owner of the Bulls and Sox until recently (last 5-10 years). Now he is truly awful and I'd guess it is an age issue. But, there is at least some reason for hope on the Southside, which is a good thing.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 05, 2025, 01:16:38 PMBoth run the Suns, Mat is the majority owner, Justin the minority owner.

Justin echoed Mat's excitement stating, "We are thrilled about the opportunity to make a positive impact on the Phoenix sports ecosystem and community through a people-first, family approach.  My brother and I look forward to bringing our passion for basketball and competitive spirit to The Valley."

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 05, 2025, 02:02:28 PMwhat's the stadium situation? Don't they want to replace whatever the hell it's called park?

Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 05, 2025, 04:06:12 PMI'd put the Sox new stadium chances about even with MU's D1 football return.

Quote from: CreightonWarrior on June 06, 2025, 05:43:29 PMTJ surgery for Corbin Burnes

Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2025, 09:12:37 PMVery impressed with Meidroth.

Quote from: Jockey on June 06, 2025, 10:00:28 PMNick Madrigal clone?

Quote from: Pakuni on June 13, 2025, 07:16:45 PMWhat Madrigal was supposed to be, but never was.

Quote from: Jockey on June 15, 2025, 07:15:23 PMGood trade for both teams.

Quote from: MUBurrow on June 16, 2025, 09:19:43 AMDon't disagree, but surprised Boston wasn't able to extract a little more prospect capital, even with Devers' contract.  I've also been surprised that SF has been incapable of enticing significant free agent hitters considering they've got as much money as anyone to throw around, outside NYY, NYM, and LAD.  Is Oracle becoming to free agent hitters what Coors is to pitchers?

Quote from: Dish on June 06, 2025, 09:05:14 PMThey're not good, but this Sox team is fun to watch and see them develop.

Quote from: Jockey on June 15, 2025, 07:15:23 PMGood trade for both teams.

Quote from: CTWarrior on June 17, 2025, 01:27:54 PMNot for the Red Sox.  A hitter of Devers quality at his age would cost more than 30M/yr now so I don't think that contract is some albatross.  SF is as bad a park for him as there is, so it will be interesting how he does there.  Like most Red Sox lefties hit lots more homers on the road, but much higher BA at home. 

Red Sox traded away Mookie Betts, Chris Sale and Rafael Devers away without getting anything of value in return.  They got more value from trading away Christian Vasquez (Wilyer Abreu) than from the other three guys combined.

Quote from: Jockey on June 17, 2025, 02:02:52 PMDevers is overpayed for a pure DH.

Quote from: CTWarrior on June 17, 2025, 01:27:54 PMRed Sox traded away Mookie Betts, Chris Sale and Rafael Devers away without getting anything of value in return.

Quote from: MU82 on June 17, 2025, 02:30:55 PMOf the 1,035 games Devers has started in his career, only 93 - mostly this season - have been at DH. He has started 942 games at 3B. As a 3B who hits the way he has, he certainly is not overpaid.

Now, if the Giants have no plans to play him at 3B, then I guess one could argue that he's an overpaid DH. But that's kind of on them, no?

Operating like a small-market team as they've gone from perennial contender to willing also-ran. The biggest surprise was them paying up for Bregman this past offseason, but that signing makes little sense if they're not gonna have enough other pieces to contend for anything.

Quote from: MU82 on June 17, 2025, 02:30:55 PMOf the 1,035 games Devers has started in his career, only 93 - mostly this season - have been at DH. He has started 942 games at 3B. As a 3B who hits the way he has, he certainly is not overpaid.

Now, if the Giants have no plans to play him at 3B, then I guess one could argue that he's an overpaid DH. But that's kind of on them, no?

Operating like a small-market team as they've gone from perennial contender to willing also-ran. The biggest surprise was them paying up for Bregman this past offseason, but that signing makes little sense if they're not gonna have enough other pieces to contend for anything.

Quote from: Jockey on June 17, 2025, 05:21:31 PMIf he plays 3rd, it will only be for a couple weeks. Since he refused to play 1st for the Sox, I would imagine he won't be there either.

So for a top 2 or 3 3rd basemen, he wasn't overpaid. As a top 2 or 3 DH, he probably is.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 19, 2025, 03:38:36 PMGo Dodgers, imo

Quote from: tower912 on June 20, 2025, 05:51:17 AMFans get ejected at the Pirates/Tigers game for getting into it with Pham.  No one is repeating what was said.  I am going to speculate that 10 hours of filling up with liquid courage during the doubleheader and rain delays may have contributed.

Quote from: GB Warrior on June 20, 2025, 09:58:44 AMIt's a problem that Tommy Pham had 10 hours of liquid courage but it would explain a lot about his stat lines.

Quote from: tower912 on June 20, 2025, 05:51:17 AMFans get ejected at the Pirates/Tigers game for getting into it with Pham.  No one is repeating what was said.  I am going to speculate that 10 hours of filling up with liquid courage during the doubleheader and rain delays may have contributed.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 20, 2025, 09:26:09 PMFormer coworker is the only reason Miz will have given up a hit in his career. He texted me going into the bottom of the 7th and he promptly gave up a walk and homer.

11 innings of zero hits to start his career was decent though.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 20, 2025, 09:26:09 PMFormer coworker is the only reason Miz will have given up a hit in his career. He texted me going into the bottom of the 7th and he promptly gave up a walk and homer.

11 innings of zero hits to start his career was decent though.

Quote from: wadesworld on June 20, 2025, 09:26:09 PMFormer coworker is the only reason Miz will have given up a hit in his career. He texted me going into the bottom of the 7th and he promptly gave up a walk and homer.

11 innings of zero hits to start his career was decent though.

Quote from: cheebs09 on June 21, 2025, 07:58:27 AMI'm not sure how to react to the Brewers becoming a hub of developing pitching talent. It seemed so foreign until Stearns and team came into place.

Quote from: GB Warrior on June 21, 2025, 12:57:38 PMA refreshing update from the Garzas, Suppans and Lohses of the world

Quote from: MU82 on June 21, 2025, 06:23:49 PMFor those who know such things ...

Do fielding analytics account for Crow-Armstrong misplaying multiple wind-blown flyballs today even though he wasn't charged for any errors?

Quote from: MU82 on June 23, 2025, 12:04:49 PMBad timing: Seattle's Cal Raleigh signed a 6-year, $105 million extension before this season - which could end up being the greatest offensive year a catcher has ever had.

Oh well. Nobody's gonna organize a telethon on his behalf.

Quote from: GB Warrior on June 23, 2025, 12:44:18 PMBird in the hand. Teams exercise so much control that sometimes you take the first big deal you can get. Lots of things can happen in between the start of their control and the end.

Besides, this tore up all 3 arb years and put him in the top 5 at the position. He's not hurting and he avoided the downside risk.

Quote from: MU82 on June 23, 2025, 12:52:16 PMOh, I understand the rationale behind the deal for both sides. Just saying that if Raleigh happened to have waited until after this season, he'd have cashed in really big - not for the "pitiful" $105M!

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 25, 2025, 01:59:34 PMSkenes rocked

Quote from: Jockey on June 25, 2025, 02:17:46 PMBy dribblers and bloops.

Quote from: GB Warrior on June 25, 2025, 03:45:11 PMI'm the Miz and nobody beats me

Quote from: Jockey on June 25, 2025, 03:57:47 PMBiggest crowd of the year on a Wednesday afternoon in June

Quote from: GB Warrior on June 25, 2025, 04:02:23 PMI honestly thought at the beginning of the year that there's no way this guy sticks as a starter. It's a long season but holy sh!t

Quote from: tower912 on June 28, 2025, 06:08:38 PMGenuinely surprised with the lack of Cubs Brewers banter here.  As close as the division is at the end of June, as many really good performances by Brewer pitching lately, no pimping PCA, no discussion of Counsell-out, a little disappointed in y'all.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 28, 2025, 06:33:20 PMThere was a nice article about this new Brewers pitcher in the WSJ a few days ago.  Misorowski?  96 mph slider? 

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 28, 2025, 06:33:20 PMThere was a nice article about this new Brewers pitcher in the WSJ a few days ago.  Misorowski?  96 mph slider? 

Quote from: wadesworld on June 28, 2025, 06:41:32 PMYou're just hearing about this guy?

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 28, 2025, 06:45:13 PMYa...I never heard of him.    Wow.. .6'7? 

Quote from: wadesworld on June 28, 2025, 07:39:34 PMHe came up and his first 11 innings were no hit ball, and the other start he has made he out pitched one of the most hyped pitchers in a while, and today is the first time you've heard his name? That's baffling.

Quote from: dgies9156 on June 28, 2025, 08:06:59 PMCardinals are far more competitive so far than any of us thought when the season started.

More to come, I hope 😄😃

Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 28, 2025, 08:02:17 PMMuggsy doesn't believe in TV, the news, the internet or birds

Quote from: tower912 on May 25, 2025, 08:02:10 PMJust open up the checkbook and give Skubal what he wants.

Quote from: MuggsyB on June 28, 2025, 06:33:20 PMThere was a nice article about this new Brewers pitcher in the WSJ a few days ago.  Misorowski?  96 mph slider? 

Quote from: tower912 on June 29, 2025, 08:25:47 PMBump

Quote from: TallTitan34 on June 30, 2025, 09:35:18 AMAlso saw an article about this guy on the Dodgers who both pitches and DHs.  Otony? 

Quote from: JWags85 on June 30, 2025, 11:26:28 AMIts pronounced "Kerrr-shawww"

Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 30, 2025, 05:37:05 PMI was gonna post about the Trevor Bauer news of him getting dropped by his Japanese team for being statistically one of the worst pitchers in the league, but then I realize that he has not been in the MLB for a while since his record setting suspension for domestic violence.

Hence this is not topical MLB news and I will not be posting related links. TY for your time and God bless. 

Quote from: JWags85 on June 30, 2025, 08:31:38 PMI don't need to get into polarizing discussions of if Bauer got blackballed for being an arrogant douche in addition to the bad PR of his off the field stuff...but he's kind of a fascinating look at what can happen to an elite talent that isn't sharpening their skills against the best.

When he got suspended, he wasn't getting great run support, but he was pitching REALLY well for the Dodgers.  Then he sat for a year and a half.  Went to Japan, wasn't as dominant as you'd expect for a Cy Young caliber pitcher, but had a very good season.  Went to Mexico and absolute dominated, but that's like going back to pitch in college for him.  Now he's in his mid 30s, has only pitched 15 starts against even very good (Japanese) competition in basically 4 years, and he's getting pelted and even he admits he's not sure what he's doing wrong.

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 01, 2025, 08:33:43 AMHappy Bobby Bonilla Day to all who celebrate.

Quote from: tower912 on July 01, 2025, 03:14:50 PMWhat will the Cubs and Brewers be shopping for this month?

Quote from: tower912 on July 01, 2025, 03:14:50 PMWhat will the Cubs and Brewers be shopping for this month?

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 01, 2025, 03:36:41 PMI think they should put together a package for Eugenio Suarez to give them some pop in the middle of the lineup.

What they will probably do is sell Freddy and Rhys and hope they can make it on back of their young talent.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 01, 2025, 03:49:56 PMSuarez is the correct answer.  This isn't '22.  You don't move Peralta, I don't care how much pitching you have.

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 01, 2025, 08:33:43 AMHappy Bobby Bonilla Day to all who celebrate.

Quote from: tower912 on July 01, 2025, 03:14:50 PMWhat will the Cubs and Brewers be shopping for this month?

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 07, 2025, 08:03:07 PMHas trading for Andrew Vaughn shifted the power structure in MLB? Evidence so far seems to indicate that.

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 07, 2025, 11:19:54 PMSample sizes are for losers.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 08, 2025, 12:36:54 PMTell that to everyone who thought Jacob Misorowski should be a household name after 13 innings.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 08, 2025, 08:28:50 PMSomebody stole 18thandwells's girl.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 08, 2025, 08:40:03 PMJust really, really into baseball "history."

Quote from: wadesworld on July 08, 2025, 08:52:07 PMYou're spot on. Absolutely no reason anyone should be talking about Miz.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 08, 2025, 09:16:58 PMI'll never forget where I am the day he eventually pitches into the 7th inning.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 08, 2025, 08:40:03 PMJust really, really into baseball "history."

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 08, 2025, 09:16:58 PMI'll never forget where I am the day he eventually pitches into the 7th inning.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 08, 2025, 08:20:12 PMMisorowski had the most strikeouts by a National League pitcher since Zach Wheeler on Sunday. I look forward to visiting the display at Cooperstown.

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Quote from: tower912 on July 09, 2025, 06:16:23 AMRookie phenoms are part of the texture of baseball.   Every year, some young man takes MLB by storm.  All you can do is enjoy it and hope they have staying power.

Quote from: tower912 on July 09, 2025, 09:20:15 AMWhat is his previous high in innings?

Quote from: Jockey on July 09, 2025, 09:30:56 AM97.

They may do a Stasburg and shut him down for the playoffs, but with the depth of their pitching, I would hope they just skip a few of his turns.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 09, 2025, 07:50:16 AMNope. Being a fan shouldn't be joyful. It should be a daily grind because you are burdened by the past and one's own cynicism.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 09, 2025, 07:50:16 AMNope. Being a fan shouldn't be joyful. It should be a daily grind because you are burdened by the past and one's own cynicism.

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 09, 2025, 04:15:01 PMIs this the thread we discuss who has higher odds of being a First Ballot HOF'r between Miz and Vaughn?

Quote from: Dish on July 09, 2025, 03:59:55 PMGoing to be interesting to see what the White Sox get for Adrian Houser. Since he joined the team (May 20th), only two AL pitchers have a sub 2.00 ERA.

Skubal 1.45
Houser 1.56

Quote from: Dish on July 09, 2025, 03:59:55 PMGoing to be interesting to see what the White Sox get for Adrian Houser. Since he joined the team (May 20th), only two AL pitchers have a sub 2.00 ERA.

Skubal 1.45
Houser 1.56

Quote from: PointWarrior on July 08, 2025, 11:48:03 PMMore wins (3) than hits allowed (2) is pretty historic... at least Cooperstown thinks so...

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 09, 2025, 06:23:31 PMYermin Mercedes has a bat at Cooperstown. Go back to and read the 2021 thread and let me know if you see any similar tones.

Quote from: tower912 on July 09, 2025, 05:35:40 AM18thandwells, what team do you root for?

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 09, 2025, 06:29:45 PMHaven't paid attention in over a decade.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 09, 2025, 03:46:49 AMHere we are in the 2025th year of our lord complaining that a rookie pitcher isn't throwing complete games like Sandy Koufax...

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 09, 2025, 06:25:32 PMEw a German in the hall of fame?

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 09, 2025, 06:59:40 PMWould you feel differently if he were Argentinian

Quote from: Jockey on July 09, 2025, 04:57:36 PMSeems like dad jokes are bleeding into the sacred MLB thread.

I might be picking up the bat phone to the mods if this persists.

Quote from: Jockey on July 10, 2025, 04:55:18 PMGet back on your meds.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 10, 2025, 06:52:05 PMIt's not hard for something to fly over Jockey's head, but still this is pretty funny.

Quote from: tower912 on July 12, 2025, 07:54:58 AM5 games into his career, all star.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 12, 2025, 09:00:42 AM18thandwells just blew a gasket.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 12, 2025, 09:00:42 AM18thandwells just blew a gasket.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 12, 2025, 09:05:23 AMWarren Spahn would have turned down an All Star invite before throwing a complete game.

Quote from: tower912 on July 12, 2025, 08:43:47 AMA case can be made that there are others who have done more to earn it.  The powers that be chose to make a splash.  Meh.  It is an exhibition.  Think of it as a sponsor's exemption in a golf tournament.  A couple of years ago, they carved out an extra roster spot just so that Cabrera could play.

Quote from: tower912 on July 12, 2025, 09:01:57 AMHe could turn into a gasketcase over this.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 12, 2025, 09:39:03 AMJacob Misiorowski has the fewest starts of any National League All-Star ever; the same could be said about Paul Skenes last year, (and he started). All of this is preferable to watching a Verlander tribute inning or some crap like that.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 12, 2025, 09:00:42 AM18thandwells just blew a gasket.

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 12, 2025, 12:18:48 PMIt's all stupid but the ASG doesn't matter anymore. It's better for everyone if MLB learns to actually market its stars. 

Quote from: The Sultan on July 12, 2025, 02:49:27 PMI gotta admit that I am now fully defending The Miz's selection, only because of how much I enjoy seeing the Phillies whine about it.

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 12, 2025, 04:13:20 PMTime for the Andrew Vaughn All-Star campaign.

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 12, 2025, 05:51:02 PMHe's way past that. Cooperstown??

Quote from: tower912 on July 12, 2025, 06:09:20 PMMt. Rushmore.

Quote from: tower912 on July 12, 2025, 06:09:20 PMMt. Rushmore.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 12, 2025, 02:49:27 PMI gotta admit that I am now fully defending The Miz's selection, only because of how much I enjoy seeing the Phillies whine about it.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 13, 2025, 11:30:29 AMMany familiar names in this year's MLB draft which starts tonight. In addition to another son of Matt Holliday, we have the kids of Mark McGwire, AJ Pierzynski, CC Sabathia, Manny Ramirez, Sean Casey, Jeff Kent, and Craig Counsell.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 13, 2025, 11:30:29 AMMany familiar names in this year's MLB draft which starts tonight. In addition to another son of Matt Holliday, we have the kids of Mark McGwire, AJ Pierzynski, CC Sabathia, Manny Ramirez, Sean Casey, Jeff Kent, and Craig Counsell.

Quote from: Dish on July 15, 2025, 11:04:52 PMAaron Boone destroyed what could've been one of the funnest baseball moments.

Most will say no, but a regular season game tied after 9 going to a HR Derby would be fun as hell.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 16, 2025, 02:23:51 PMHR derby is an awesome tiebreaker for an All Star game.

It would be terrible for games that matter.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 16, 2025, 03:28:44 PMAnd shoot out is a terrible way for hockey games to end as well. Maybe its because I have watched more soccer in the last couple of years, but I don't understand what is so bad about a tie - after the 5:00 OT of course.

Quote from: Jockey on July 16, 2025, 03:40:50 PMSome people like kissing their sister. Some don't.

Personal preference, I presume.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 16, 2025, 03:52:06 PMSo each batter get 3 swings. So how many pitches does the pitcher have to throw? If I was a pitcher every pitch would be out of the strike zone.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 16, 2025, 04:01:02 PMIt wasn't opposing pitchers throwing from the mound.  It was BP pitchers.

But even if it was opposing pitchers, that'd be a perfect strategy.  Blow out your arm throwing a bunch of balls trying to get a guy who doesn't have to swing at pitches to swing at pitches in the dirt so you can win a meaningless exhibition game with a bunch of guys you don't play with.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 16, 2025, 04:09:44 PMSandy Koufax would have struck them out for free

Quote from: The Sultan on July 16, 2025, 03:28:44 PMAnd shoot out is a terrible way for hockey games to end as well. Maybe its because I have watched more soccer in the last couple of years, but I don't understand what is so bad about a tie - after the 5:00 OT of course.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 16, 2025, 03:52:06 PMSo each batter get 3 swings. So how many pitches does the pitcher have to throw? If I was a pitcher every pitch would be out of the strike zone.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 16, 2025, 02:23:51 PMHR derby is an awesome tiebreaker for an All Star game.

It would be terrible for games that matter.

Quote from: MU82 on July 16, 2025, 07:16:35 PMYessir.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 16, 2025, 09:36:28 PMthe Cubs have their next superstar, both as a player and personality.  I've yet to hear anything bad about him and have heard some really great anecdotes about him off the field.  Really easy guy to root for.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 17, 2025, 08:04:51 AMThe Cubs backup catcher was arrested for beating off in a Dollar General parking lot. Do you root for him?

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 17, 2025, 08:04:51 AMThe Cubs backup catcher was arrested for beating off in a Dollar General parking lot. Do you root for him?

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 17, 2025, 08:04:51 AMThe Cubs backup catcher was arrested for beating off in a Dollar General parking lot. Do you root for him?

Quote from: The Sultan on July 17, 2025, 08:13:08 AMReally odd question not even related to what he is talking about.

Quote from: Jockey on July 17, 2025, 01:34:49 PMThank you for keeping the discussion on track, junior moderator.

Quote from: Dish on July 16, 2025, 11:04:15 PMThe ghost runner at 2nd has already bastardized extra innings. Might as well just go to California rules already.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 17, 2025, 02:44:02 PMMLBPA is telling major league and minor league players to keep necessary legal documents with them at all times in case of encounters with ICE.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 17, 2025, 02:44:02 PMMLBPA is telling major league and minor league players to keep necessary legal documents with them at all times in case of encounters with ICE.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 17, 2025, 01:45:14 PMSorry. I should have known you like to talk about guys who beat off in Dollar General parking lots.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 17, 2025, 01:45:14 PMSorry. I should have known you like to talk about guys who beat off in Dollar General parking lots.

Quote from: Jockey on July 19, 2025, 12:03:26 PMSince the disastrous 1st weekend of the season, I believe the Brewers have the best record in all of baseball except for Detroit.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 19, 2025, 09:26:18 PMAre the Cardinals still legit?

Quote from: wadesworld on July 19, 2025, 09:26:18 PMAre the Cardinals still legit?

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 07:31:48 AMI know little about baseball but it looks like schedules are uneven despite playing 162 games.  On paper the Brewers have a much harder remaining schedule than the Cubs.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2025, 07:35:30 AMTrue, but the Cubs have a distinct disadvantage of having to play in the worlds largest urinal

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 07:31:48 AMI know little about baseball but it looks like schedules are uneven despite playing 162 games.  On paper the Brewers have a much harder remaining schedule than the Cubs.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 07:45:49 AMI assume the Brewers will try to get another bat? 

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 07:45:49 AMI assume the Brewers will try to get another bat? 

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2025, 06:42:41 AMDid anyone hear Homer say the Brewers should trade Chourio for someone that walks more?

Quote from: MU82 on July 20, 2025, 01:01:45 PMI'm going to tomorrow night's Brewers-Mariners game. Neither team has posted probable starters yet, but maybe Misiorowski for Milwaukee?

Was hoping Woo would go for the M's, but he's pitching today.

Both teams playing really well.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2025, 06:42:41 AMDid anyone hear Homer say the Brewers should trade Chourio for someone that walks more?

Quote from: MU82 on July 20, 2025, 01:01:45 PMI'm going to tomorrow night's Brewers-Mariners game. Neither team has posted probable starters yet, but maybe Misiorowski for Milwaukee?

Was hoping Woo would go for the M's, but he's pitching today.

Both teams playing really well.

Quote from: PointWarrior on July 20, 2025, 03:33:57 PMGoing Mon and Tues.  MLB.com has Woodruff vs Kirby on Mon and The Miz vs Gilbert on Tues.  Hope The Miz does something to piss off 18thandwells again.  Sweep the M's like last year :)

Buy you a beer on Monday?

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 20, 2025, 03:54:09 PMMariners and Brewers are both very hot. That'll be a great series.

As for Misiorowski, after seeing his immaculate inning in the All-Star game, I take back everything. There's no way you guys are over-hyping him at all.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 20, 2025, 04:44:08 PMI have seen a few media people overhyping him, but not many. Very few fans have overhyped him. I don't think anyone expects him to have this level of success for his entire career or the rest of this year. I think fans are just enjoying the incredible start to his career. And people should be enjoying it. It's been not only awesome success, but incredibly entertaining.

Quote from: Jockey on July 20, 2025, 06:47:26 PMI think players are hyping him as much as fans, if not more.

Quote from: PointWarrior on July 20, 2025, 03:33:57 PMGoing Mon and Tues.  MLB.com has Woodruff vs Kirby on Mon and The Miz vs Gilbert on Tues.  Hope The Miz does something to piss off 18thandwells again.   Sweep the M's like last year :)

Buy you a beer on Monday?

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 20, 2025, 06:58:33 PMThe Phillies love him.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 20, 2025, 03:54:09 PMMariners and Brewers are both very hot. That'll be a great series.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 20, 2025, 07:35:30 AMTrue, but the Cubs have a distinct disadvantage of having to play in the worlds largest urinal

Quote from: Mutaman on July 20, 2025, 11:53:59 PMWhen I was a little boy my uncle took me to a game at Wrigley. Those troughs warped my fragile little mind and I have never recovered.

Quote from: 18thandWells on June 16, 2025, 05:11:53 PMI read this when you posted it, and I've been thinking about it a lot the past 10 days. I've decided I completely disagree with you.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 21, 2025, 10:50:52 PMBrewers about to have the best record in the MLB. Can't wait to see ESPN continue to have Freddy as a top trade candidate and move the Brewers back in their power rankings like they did the last time they swept the Dodger.

Quote from: Jockey on July 22, 2025, 10:28:07 AMThe Athletic has them at #4 - BEHIND the team that they just beat 6 times in a row.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 22, 2025, 10:40:19 AMI have no problem with them not being ranked 1 because I still don't buy them as the best team in baseball, but they had already had the best record and run differential in the MLB for a long period of time and had just swept the Dodgers and ESPN moved them from 8 to 9 a couple weeks ago. Just crazy stuff.

Quote from: MU82 on July 22, 2025, 12:55:24 AMWelp, the Crew wiped the field with the Mariners from the 6th inning on.

But at least my SIL and I got to hang with PointWarrior and Mrs. PW before the game. Always fun getting together with fellow Warriors!

Quote from: PointWarrior on July 22, 2025, 11:17:15 AMLooking forward to a Mizerable experience tonight. 

Quote from: Dish on July 21, 2025, 09:54:48 PMI completely disagree with your disagreement.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 22, 2025, 10:02:07 PMThe last team not to have a four game winning streak are the 2016 Phillies. The White Sox still suck, (this is not breaking news).

The point I originally disagreed with, (had to look it up... it's on page 11 of this thread... you had to wait thru five weeks of terrible, terrible White Sox baseball to respond), is when you said the team was "fun and enjoyable to watch." Just out of curiosity... who are you referring to?

Quote from: Dish on July 22, 2025, 11:15:35 PMPart of the gag was waiting to respond, as you had mulled over my opinion for a bit.

Sox are 14-16 in those five weeks. While not great, I'd argue not terrible for that time period you reference.

Compared to the 2024 squad, it's inarguable that this squad is fun to watch. They're not great overall, their overall record is indicative of that. However, since Taylor/Teel/Montgomery have come up, for me, they are fun to watch as they develop their future core.

So yeah, if they are going to be bad, show some promise, and can get a top two pick in a loaded 2026 draft class, I'll enjoy it more than last year's historically abysmal season.

Quote from: Dish on July 22, 2025, 11:15:35 PMSox are 14-16 in those five weeks. While not great, I'd argue not terrible.

Quote from: Dish on July 22, 2025, 11:15:35 PMCompared to the 2024 squad

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 23, 2025, 10:33:12 AMThat works out to 76-86 over a full season.  Pick your adjective.Stop. Just stop.

I understand baseball season is in full-swing and White Sox fans would love to have something to contribute to the conversation. No reason to lie and call the team "enjoyable."

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 23, 2025, 10:33:12 AMThat works out to 76-86 over a full season.  Pick your adjective.Stop. Just stop.

I understand baseball season is in full-swing and White Sox fans would love to have something to contribute to the conversation. No reason to lie and call the team "enjoyable."

Quote from: MU82 on July 23, 2025, 09:09:18 AMBig Dumper and Logan Gilbert apologize for depriving Milwaukee of free greasy burgers!

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 23, 2025, 10:33:12 AMThat works out to 76-86 over a full season.  Pick your adjective.Stop. Just stop.

I understand baseball season is in full-swing and White Sox fans would love to have something to contribute to the conversation. No reason to lie and call the team "enjoyable."

Quote from: BM1090 on July 24, 2025, 12:15:44 AMI get what he's saying though. I thought the 2017 Brewers were a really enjoyable team

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 24, 2025, 07:09:25 AMThe 2017 Brewers finished one game out of the Wild Card spot. The 2025 White Sox are the worst team in the American League, (by a considerable margin). This is not a good  comparison.

If you want to write a couple paragraphs of your enjoyment of the 2002 Brewers (finished 56-106, worst team in the League), it would be much more apt to the conversation.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 24, 2025, 07:09:25 AMThe 2017 Brewers finished one game out of the Wild Card spot. The 2025 White Sox are the worst team in the American League, (by a considerable margin). This is not a good  comparison.

If you want to write a couple paragraphs of your enjoyment of the 2002 Brewers (finished 56-106, worst team in the League), it would be much more apt to the conversation.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 24, 2025, 11:11:02 AMOk I've come around, thank you for explaining.

QuoteLooking forward to telling my kid when their kindergarten soccer team is 1-8 "this is not enjoyable for me".

QuoteScoring your first goal after practicing your skills in the yard? Buddy if you're not making a run in the playoffs, daddy is going to rage drink malt liquor and call the Mequon police because he saw a minority drive by.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 24, 2025, 12:35:48 PMWait... does Dish have a kid on the White Sox? If so, I apologize.

They're still a terrible team, but now I kinda understand the "fun and enjoyable," part. I mean, you get to watch your kid play.

Quote from: tower912 on July 24, 2025, 12:55:58 PMYour team is your team.  Enjoying the process is a sign of a healthy, balanced mind.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 24, 2025, 12:35:48 PMWait... does Dish have a kid on the White Sox? If so, I apologize.

They're still a terrible team, but now I kinda understand the "fun and enjoyable," part. I mean, you get to watch your kid play.

Quote from: Dish on July 24, 2025, 01:14:03 PMI didn't think I needed to bring my kids into this, but the White Sox have been incredibly kind to our family. 10 years ago my son was picked as their "Home Run For Life" recipient during his leukemia battle. I called a home run on a broadcast a few years ago while I was being interviewed, and I have many friendships from their front office, to players, to broadcasters. So if you need to validate my fandom, yes, I am a Sox fan.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 24, 2025, 12:18:52 PMYou lost me, but I swear I've never been to Mequon.

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 24, 2025, 12:33:44 PMSome of the joy in watching baseball is watching young guys develop. There's die-hard Minor League Baseball fans. It's not the pros, why should they care?

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 24, 2025, 03:44:53 PMI know some elected officials that find joy in watching young people develop.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 24, 2025, 03:57:40 PMAre you sure about that?

Quote from: Dish on July 24, 2025, 01:14:03 PMI didn't think I needed to bring my kids into this, but the White Sox have been incredibly kind to our family. 10 years ago my son was picked as their "Home Run For Life" recipient during his leukemia battle. I called a home run on a broadcast a few years ago while I was being interviewed, and I have many friendships from their front office, to players, to broadcasters. So if you need to validate my fandom, yes, I am a Sox fan.

Their overall record sucks, but since I posted my original statement, the team has been very fun to watch. Last night's game was fun as hell to consume. If it's not fun for you to watch, cool. Hopefully they can take 2 of 3 from the Cubs this weekend.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 24, 2025, 05:40:20 PMLet's get greedy and make it all 3 from the Cubs.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 24, 2025, 06:18:42 PMNot sure Pope Leo would approve of greed, but taking all 3 from the Cubs probably deserves a Papal blessing.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 24, 2025, 03:35:39 PMPitchers are way better and batters swing for the fences.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 24, 2025, 08:26:15 PMCanadian Josh Naylor, (the kids call him "Wario"), has been traded to the Mariners.

Quote from: Jockey on July 25, 2025, 03:02:29 PMGlad the Yankees got Ryan McMahon before the Brewers were tempted.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 24, 2025, 08:26:15 PMthis resurgent White Sox team I read so much about

Quote from: Dish on July 25, 2025, 08:06:35 PM👀

Quote from: Pakuni on July 25, 2025, 08:20:17 PMThere sure as sh-- better not be any White Sox fans enjoying tonight's game.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 25, 2025, 10:40:27 PMThe Athletics Nick Kurtz went 6-6 with 4 HR in Houston tonight.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 25, 2025, 10:50:12 PMToo bad nobody could enjoy it because his team is 18 games under .500.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 26, 2025, 07:31:06 AMFor what it's worth, Kurtz did tie the MLB record for total bases in a game with 19.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 26, 2025, 07:31:06 AMFor what it's worth, Kurtz did tie the MLB record for total bases in a game with 19.

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 07:43:58 AMThat's fair.  I grew up in Evanston amd went to many Cubs games growing up.
I would would choose going to a Brewers game over Wrigley 100/100 times. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 07:31:48 AMI know little about baseball

Quote from: MuggsyB on July 20, 2025, 07:43:58 AMThat's fair.  I grew up in Evanston amd went to many Cubs games growing up.
I would would choose going to a Brewers game over Wrigley 100/100 times. 

Quote from: #UnleashSean on July 28, 2025, 04:38:51 AMWild statement

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 05:25:46 AMWhy? Wrigley's a dump.

Quote from: #UnleashSean on July 28, 2025, 05:42:50 AMJust factually incorrect. Miller, however, is just a stadium in a parking lot. Boring.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 06:17:30 AMHere's what factually correct: Wrigley is a dump. AFF is not a dump. Pretty simple.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 05:25:46 AMWhy? Wrigley's a dump.

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 28, 2025, 08:39:07 AMCan we all agree that the Cubs and the Brewers have the worst two stadiums in the division?

I'm partial to a downtown stadium and thus think PNC outpaces a place like AFF everyday but the amenities available at AFF make Wrigley look like an El Salvadoran prison

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 28, 2025, 08:39:07 AMCan we all agree that the Cubs and the Brewers have the worst two stadiums in the division?

I'm partial to a downtown stadium and thus think PNC outpaces a place like AFF everyday but the amenities available at AFF make Wrigley look like an El Salvadoran prison

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on July 28, 2025, 08:40:56 AMIt is not.  When was the last time you were there?

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on July 28, 2025, 08:46:22 AMAs for AFF, I've been there a bunch of times.  Always a good time but not sure what these great amenities are that you're referencing.  It's also a cookie cutter park devoid of personality in the middle of a parking lot. 

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 08:55:44 AMFiveish years ago.

It's a dump surrounded by an overpriced neighborhood.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 08:56:20 AMAt least it's not a dump that smells of urine.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on July 28, 2025, 09:18:30 AMIt is 100%  objectively not a dump post-renovation.

Better a neighborhood with plenty of food and entertainment options than.....nothing.

Maybe you're the one that smells like urine as it certainly isn't Wrigley. 

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 09:20:52 AMI have a discerning sense of smell.

Wrigley is a dump and its neighborhood is expensive and overrated.

Sorry if this bothers you but the truth must be told. AFF is a much better venue to watch a game.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 28, 2025, 09:33:54 AMIf boring, sterile and vast swaths of parking is your thing, AFF is the place to be.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 28, 2025, 09:45:52 AMWrigley is a lot nicer than it used to be and a great experience to catch a game at for any baseball fan.

Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on July 28, 2025, 08:46:22 AMAbsolutely not.  I have not been to PNC but have heard great things so I won't argue that opinion.  As far as Busch and Great American Ballpark, no way. 

As for AFF, I've been there a bunch of times.  Always a good time but not sure what these great amenities are that you're referencing.  It's also a cookie cutter park devoid of personality in the middle of a parking lot. 

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 09:36:01 AMI will admit the setting isn't the best, but the in-stadium experience is way better than the dump that is Wrigley.

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 28, 2025, 09:53:27 AMPlus the racing sausages are part of the personality. Does Chicago have the racing handguns?

Quote from: Pakuni on July 28, 2025, 10:00:42 AMWhat are you labeling the "in-stadium" experience?
If you mean bathrooms, concessions, gift shops and seeing how fast your heater is these days, yeah, just about anything is better than Wrigley.
If you mean the actual experience of watching a baseball game surrounded by fellow fans, Wrigley is no worse than any other park I've been to and in many ways better.
And while you may think Wrigleyville overrated, and perhaps it is, I find a neighborhood of restaurants and bars a more appealing environment than acres of concrete and an interstate.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on July 28, 2025, 10:04:30 AMThis argument is reminding me of when ESPN tried to do "Battle of the Ballparks." A tournament where fan votes over multiple rounds decided the best ballpark in America. Brewers fans flooded it and Miller Park won the whole thing as a 24 seed, beating Camden, Fenway, Wrigley, PNC, and AT&T on the way.

IIRC the author started by being amused, then annoyed,  and then had an angry rant on Twitter or in ESPN comments about Brewers fans having nothing to better to do than ruin his piece. Which just spurned people on more. He had to write an article praising Miller Park

http://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/8084525/battle-ballparks-miller-park-defeats-att-park

They never tried this again lol

Quote from: Pakuni on July 28, 2025, 10:05:50 AMNow now ... you really don't want to compare violent crime rates between Milwaukee and Chicago, do you?

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 28, 2025, 10:15:22 AMIf you extend it to the suburbs you'll find a lot more dentists in Chicago

Quote from: Pakuni on July 28, 2025, 10:05:50 AMNow now ... you really don't want to compare violent crime rates between Milwaukee and Chicago, do you?

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 28, 2025, 09:45:52 AMWrigley is a lot nicer than it used to be and a great experience to catch a game at for any baseball fan.

It's still a claustrophobic mess excused by its history and the updated modern amenities they are putting around it look super out of place.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2025, 10:44:53 AMIf you're building a list of "overrated sports things" and it includes anything you can possibly come up with (players, teams, franchises, shoes, whatever you can think of), Fenway and Wrigley have to be top 2 in some order.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 09:20:52 AMI have a discerning sense of smell.

Wrigley is a dump and its neighborhood is expensive and overrated.

Sorry if this bothers you but the truth must be told. AFF is a much better venue to watch a game.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 28, 2025, 10:39:53 AMI'm a Cubs fan and while I prefer Wrigley, I really enjoy AmFam.  I live in Roscoe (north of Rockford right on the border) so it's easier for me to get to, cheaper, and the club level is fantastic for bringing my kids.

I'm obviously biased but a game at Wrigley at sunset is perfection.

Would love to check out PNC.

Ranking Stadiums I've Seen A Game At:
1) Wrigley Field (Renovations have been fantastic.)
2) Daikin Park (Houston - 2002 before they puts ads on every square inch of space.)
3) Busch Stadium (Ballpark Village copies the Cubs but they do it better. Cubs should do something similar with the rooftops.)
4) AmFam Field (Been to more games here than anywhere else by far.)
5) Target Field (Was here on a rainy day which may hurt my ranking.)
6) Rate Field
7) Progressive Field (Game 2 of 2016 World Series.  Again a rainy day which may hurt my ranking.)
8) Busch Memorial (First ever MLB game I ever saw. Pre-renovations with turf.)
9) Tropicana Field (Actually kind of liked the uniqueness.  Saw Rays Joe Maddon successfully argue a catwalk call.)

Ranking Stadiums I've Been Outside Of:
1) New Yankee Stadium (Looks majestic on the outside)
2) Old Yankee Stadium
3) Turner Field
4) Astrodome
5) Citi Field
6) Shea Stadium (Looks terrible.)

Quote from: #UnleashSean on July 28, 2025, 10:55:23 AMI thought we were all being sarcastic. I forgot youre actually a dumbass.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 28, 2025, 10:39:53 AMI'm a Cubs fan and while I prefer Wrigley, I really enjoy AmFam.  I live in Roscoe (north of Rockford right on the border) so it's easier for me to get to, cheaper, and the club level is fantastic for bringing my kids.

I'm obviously biased but a game at Wrigley at sunset is perfection.

Would love to check out PNC.

Ranking Stadiums I've Seen A Game At:
1) Wrigley Field (Renovations have been fantastic.)
2) Daikin Park (Houston - 2002 before they puts ads on every square inch of space.)
3) Busch Stadium (Ballpark Village copies the Cubs but they do it better. Cubs should do something similar with the rooftops.)
4) AmFam Field (Been to more games here than anywhere else by far.)
5) Target Field (Was here on a rainy day which may hurt my ranking.)
6) Rate Field
7) Progressive Field (Game 2 of 2016 World Series.  Again a rainy day which may hurt my ranking.)
8) Busch Memorial (First ever MLB game I ever saw. Pre-renovations with turf.)
99) Tropicana Field (Actually kind of liked the uniqueness.  Saw Rays Joe Maddon successfully argue a catwalk call.)

Ranking Stadiums I've Been Outside Of:
1) New Yankee Stadium (Looks majestic on the outside)
2) Old Yankee Stadium

3) Turner Field
4) Astrodome
5) Citi Field
6) Shea Stadium (Looks terrible.)

Quote from: wadesworld on July 28, 2025, 10:44:53 AMIf you're building a list of "overrated sports things" and it includes anything you can possibly come up with (players, teams, franchises, shoes, whatever you can think of), Fenway and Wrigley have to be top 2 in some order.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 10:59:56 AMYou insult because you don't want to admit the truth...Wrigley is a dump.

Quote from: #UnleashSean on July 28, 2025, 11:02:34 AMNah, others actually give and take reasonable advice. You just sit there like a dumbass going DUMP DUMP DUMP.

Go be shocked about students drinking alcohol. You're out of your league here.

Quote from: #UnleashSean on July 28, 2025, 11:02:34 AMNah, others actually give and take reasonable advice. You just sit there like a dumbass going DUMP DUMP DUMP.

Go be shocked about students drinking alcohol. You're out of your league here.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 28, 2025, 11:23:51 AMThe bleachers being a belligerent big ten frat bro fest with little interest in the game other than comparing whose dad got them the cushiest internship has nothing to do with the stadium. I agree

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 11:23:55 AMYou deflect because you don't want to admit that Wrigley is a dump.

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 08:56:20 AMAt least it's not a dump that smells of urine.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 28, 2025, 11:48:09 AMhttps://x.com/backaftathis/status/1643247626006016008?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw

Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 28, 2025, 11:48:09 AMhttps://x.com/backaftathis/status/1643247626006016008?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw

Quote from: JWags85 on July 28, 2025, 12:13:39 PMI'm truly baffled by situations like this.  Ive gotten shockingly and foolishly drunk many times in my 20s and even 30s.  Ive urinated in bushes/trees probably too close to people and events that may have been trouble with an ambitious officer of the law.  I may or may not have hazy memories of spitefully urinating on Red Line tracks at Clark and Division at about 4:30AM one night.  But Ive never been remotely in a state where I'd urinate in a public room, setting, f***ing stadium concourse.  Ive always thought the people who mistakenly urinate in drawers or closets were crazy.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 28, 2025, 12:09:11 PMEmmanuel Clase has been placed on non-disciplinary paid leave as part of a MLB sports-betting investigation.

Dude sure sucked last playoffs...

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 11:23:55 AMYou deflect because you don't want to admit that Wrigley is a dump.

Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 28, 2025, 01:14:02 PMCaught some more!

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Quote from: dgies9156 on July 28, 2025, 01:59:16 PMOk, I'll make the list of the five best and five worst I've been at

Best
AmFam Field — I may be unique but I really like the place. Reasonably priced, good sight lines and great fans. Park itself is nice without being overdone.

Oriole Park at Camden — The original new age park. Well done, love the warehouse and the place is clean and accessible.

Busch III — I'm a Cardinal fan. This is baseball heaven. At least baseball's version of the Vatican.

loanDepot Park — was at opening day this year. 84 degrees in Miami and the roof was open. Wonderful and tickets are cheap, cheap, cheap, just like the team.

Wrigley Field — On for two reasons. Saw my first baseball game there in 1966 and my Dad was a season ticket holder for decades after my Mom and Dad moved back to Chicago in 1980. Had tickets adjacent to those of Seka, a 1980s porn star, and sat next to all the scouts in Section 21.

Worst

The Metronome — What a slapped together dump. Glad that one is gone!

The Astrodome — the damn roof leaked!

Fenway Park — Sorry easterners. Wrigley is so much nicer. Thought the place was a dump when I was there. Sitting behind a post didn't help.

Candlestick Park — where every visit was an adventure.

Steinbrenner Field — Nice spring training park but I was there in May when it was 95 and there was NO shade. Blistering hot day game. Food is not bad though.

On my list of parks I'd like to visit is Dodger Stadium and Citi Field. Both are icons. Other existing stadiums I've been to include Safco Field, ATT Park in SF, whatever they're calling the Guardians home stadium, Houston's Enron Field and the Rate in Chicago.

Quote from: dgies9156 on July 28, 2025, 01:59:16 PMBusch III — I'm a Cardinal fan. This is baseball heaven. At least baseball's version of the Vatican.

Quote from: Shaka Shart on July 28, 2025, 11:23:51 AMThe bleachers being a belligerent big ten frat bro fest with little interest in the game other than comparing whose dad got them the cushiest internship has nothing to do with the stadium. I agree

Quote from: TallTitan34 on July 28, 2025, 02:27:28 PMI think Busch is underrated on most lists I see.  Beautiful park. Nice view of the city.  Ballpark Village is the Wrigley rooftops on steroids.

Last Friday I went on a tour of Busch in my Cubs t-shirt.  Caught some fun jabs from the tour guide along the way.  We all agreed to hate on the Brewers.

Quote from: #UnleashSean on July 28, 2025, 02:30:56 PMWeird take. Either you like to drink and hang out in the bleachers.... or you dont? You do you.

I'm guessing you've never been to the drinking spots at millers bleachers or the 400s? Because minus beer snakes, it's just as bad.



Regardless, my mention to Sultan had 100% to do with his pearl clutching after national marquete day, and zero to do with baseball.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 28, 2025, 02:44:49 PMAs for the park itself, IMO the outfield is too cluttered

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 28, 2025, 02:50:08 PMAgree. Bleachers of AFF are equally terrible because I'm spiritually a crotchety old man who vehemently disagrees that sports should be fun. 

I was not emotionally invested in the Brewers as a kid in the 90s when they were still at County but I imagine it was an absolute crap show. Different strokes for different folks.

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 28, 2025, 02:50:08 PMI was not emotionally invested in the Brewers as a kid in the 90s when they were still at County but I imagine it was an absolute crap show. Different strokes for different folks.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 28, 2025, 03:00:41 PMin 1995 and 1996, the bleachers were awesome. The Brewers would have dollar games - $1 tickets, hot dogs and sodas. The bleachers would be sold out and the rest of the park rather empty. I remember an April 1996 game against the Yankees when my buddies and I counted 42 total fans in the upper deck.

Quote from: #UnleashSean on July 28, 2025, 02:30:56 PMWeird take. Either you like to drink and hang out in the bleachers.... or you dont? You do you.

I'm guessing you've never been to the drinking spots at millers bleachers or the 400s? Because minus beer snakes, it's just as bad.



Regardless, my mention to Sultan had 100% to do with his pearl clutching after national marquete day, and zero to do with baseball.

Quote from: #UnleashSean on July 28, 2025, 02:30:56 PMRegardless, my mention to Sultan had 100% to do with his pearl clutching after national marquete day, and zero to do with baseball.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 28, 2025, 05:05:16 PMBrewers getting Danny Jansen from the Rays.  Contreras has been bad for a month with his injured finger.  Guess he's getting some rest time

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 28, 2025, 06:52:51 PMSurely the bad missed strike 3 on Suzuki won't come back to bite the Brewers

Quote from: tower912 on July 28, 2025, 07:50:04 PMWill Vest just hit Suarez on the hand in the 9th inning of a 5-1 game.  A whole lot of teams (including the Tigers) are crapping themselves.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 28, 2025, 03:09:47 PMFor sentimental reasons, I miss the County Stadium bleachers but it was a prototypical cookie cutter municipal stadium and one of the originals in that genre.  It had that Wrigley "charm" but was an architectural relic of an era that prioritized functionality over comfort

Quote from: tower912 on July 28, 2025, 08:47:44 PMSuarez says x rays were negative.   More tests tomorrow.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 29, 2025, 04:26:20 PMRich Hill DFA'd by the Royals.  Pretty sure he's tied for the MLB record for teams played for with 15, so you gotta hope someone else picks him up to get the record.

But if not, what a bizarre and remarkable career. Debuted in MLB 20 years ago.  Has won 90 games and made $80MM.  But almost 70 of those wins and $70MM of his earnings came after the age of 36.

But even more amusingly, he's played for 20 years but only been a good pitcher for probably 3-4 years in his late 30s and it extended his career a long time.  One good season with Boston, the first good season he had in decade, got him the big contract with the Dodgers.  Then after his time with the Dodgers, he's been mediocre and just plodding along off that reputation and post season performance for 5-6 years.

Quote from: MUBurrow on July 29, 2025, 04:59:36 PMSeranthony Dominguez with the ol' walk across the diamond from one clubhouse to the other trade. 

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 29, 2025, 05:56:35 PMThere should be more trades between teams between double-headers. I had forgotten the oddity of Brewers acquisition Danny Jensen being the only player to play for both teams in the same game due to a game rained out and deferred.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on July 28, 2025, 08:14:49 PMIn no way was County some legendary stadium, but as a college kid, the bleachers were a lot of fun, especially on a warm spring day. It was strange how they were completely separate from the rest of the stadium.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 29, 2025, 08:05:01 PMI can remember sitting on the 3rd base side of the stadium for Packer games. I believe the bleachers were sought after seats for football as the stadium was not really geared for football as the playing field barely fit. Milwaukee always got the less competitive games on the schedule as they always seemed to schedule Pittsburg, the 49ers, the Vikings and the Rams which were not very good in the mid 60s.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 29, 2025, 08:13:58 PMThey had a playoff game there in 1967

Quote from: wadesworld on July 29, 2025, 08:18:11 PMMVPete

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 29, 2025, 08:19:57 PMThat play on a loop to sandbag his gold glove campaign.

Cubs will live with all of this if Chourio is out for any length of time though.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 29, 2025, 08:53:35 PMWon't matter when you have the MVP, Andrew Vaughn

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 29, 2025, 08:53:35 PMWon't matter when you have the MVP, Andrew Vaughn

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 29, 2025, 09:13:00 PMThis is incredible camera work and I'm going to play it on a loop

https://x.com/mlb/status/1950373753998983294?s=46

Quote from: wadesworld on July 29, 2025, 09:20:16 PMAm I the only one hearing of a "hamstring spasm" for the first time tonight?

Quote from: The Sultan on July 28, 2025, 06:14:48 PMThe fact that you still think that 14 students getting transported to the hospital for alcohol was "normal" is beyond insane. The most I've seen in my 30 year career is one or two a week at schools larger than MU.

And how is this "pearl clutching?" It's flat out truth that it's an outlier. By Marquette's own admission. 

Quote from: #UnleashSean on July 30, 2025, 12:25:27 AMBecause an RA got overzealous my guy. Step back rofl.

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 30, 2025, 08:09:10 AMWhite Sox fans, did Vaughn show any flashes of this? I know he was a first round pick and obviously the Brewers saw something to trade for him, but this turnaround seems pretty wild.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 29, 2025, 08:13:58 PMThey had a playoff game there in 1967

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2025, 08:20:03 AMHe finally got out of that crime ridden hellhole that is Chicago and finally feels safe

Quote from: muwarrior69 on July 30, 2025, 08:55:50 AM...and I was at the Championship game in Lambeau.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 30, 2025, 10:35:04 AMIn Milwaukee?  Won't catch me entering Milwaukee.  Nobody gets out of there alive.

Quote from: wadesworld on July 30, 2025, 10:35:04 AMIn Milwaukee?  Won't catch me entering Milwaukee.  Nobody gets out of there alive.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 30, 2025, 08:20:03 AMHe finally got out of that crime ridden hellhole that is Chicago and finally feels safe

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 30, 2025, 08:09:10 AMWhite Sox fans, did Vaughn show any flashes of this? I know he was a first round pick and obviously the Brewers saw something to trade for him, but this turnaround seems pretty wild.

Quote from: 18thandWells on July 30, 2025, 12:34:44 PMPart of the "fun and enjoyment," of being a White Sox fan is watching your third overall pick succeed, regardless of what city he now calls home.

Besides, they won the Friday night game against the Cubs without him. Not much else matters.

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 30, 2025, 08:09:10 AMWhite Sox fans, did Vaughn show any flashes of this? I know he was a first round pick and obviously the Brewers saw something to trade for him, but this turnaround seems pretty wild.

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 30, 2025, 03:39:11 PMMVPete making it up for single-handedly costing the Cubs the last game.

Quote from: MU82 on July 30, 2025, 04:24:33 PMGlad he's your choice for Cubs team MVP.

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 30, 2025, 04:32:24 PMIt's between him and Tuck and it's not particularly close. They're both elite - would be stupid to say they're not. But his play last night might also be the worse of the rest of his career

Quote from: MU82 on July 30, 2025, 04:57:24 PMEveryone has a bad game sometimes. Ohtani went 0-5 with 4 Ks yesterday, and he's the runaway choice to repeat as NL MVP.

Quote from: WhiteTrash on July 30, 2025, 06:40:44 PMObviously, Ohtani is on the backside of his career.

Quote from: MU82 on July 30, 2025, 04:57:24 PMEveryone has a bad game sometimes. Ohtani went 0-5 with 4 Ks yesterday, and he's the runaway choice to repeat as NL MVP.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2025, 07:06:52 AMSuarez to the M's, Mets and Phillies playing bullpen wars.  Reds trying.

Quote from: tower912 on July 31, 2025, 06:10:44 AMDetroit content to stockpile journeyman arms and hope they catch lighting in a bottle.  With the return of Carpenter and with Ibanez showing signs that he can ambush lefties again, it feels like the Tigers brain trust thinks they have enough hitting. 
  Suarez to Seattle ends Detroit's pursuit of a bat, IMO.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2025, 10:31:25 AMAJ Preller is a maniac.
Good on him for continually going for it, but giving up two of your top three prospects, including the #3 prospect overall, for a closer who's never played for a contender is mighty bold.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 31, 2025, 10:02:07 AMCubs need help and so far only add a low floor high ceiling starter in Soroka.  He's been better than his record/ERA shows, but man thats a shaky start to an important deadline.

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 31, 2025, 10:27:18 AMGlad that Suárez stayed out of the NL Central.

Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2025, 10:31:25 AMAJ Preller is a maniac.
Good on him for continually going for it, but giving up two of your top three prospects, including the #3 prospect overall, for a closer who's never played for a contender is mighty bold.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2025, 02:43:14 PMThe best thing the Cubs could do is, find a new home for home games and save their players from playing in a dump

Quote from: The Sultan on July 31, 2025, 02:47:59 PMMaybe they can work out a deal with the Bears since they are so effective at this new stadium building thing.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2025, 02:43:14 PMThe best thing the Cubs could do is, find a new home for home games and save their players from playing in a dump

Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2025, 03:06:40 PMPlayers hate having to play in Wrigley and Fenway. It's why so many free agents flock to Milwaukee.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2025, 02:54:27 PMIt's very embarrassing for a city like Chicago to have all of its professional sports teams playing in such trash cans. 

Quote from: Pakuni on July 31, 2025, 03:06:40 PMPlayers hate having to play in Wrigley and Fenway. It's why so many free agents flock to Milwaukee.

Quote from: MU82 on July 31, 2025, 09:10:50 AMThe Mariners are going for it.

Raleigh has been in a slump, but if he gets going again, and the new guys do their jobs, that's a legit pennant contender.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 31, 2025, 03:11:57 PMWould you come to Milwaukee knowing how close it is to Mequon?

Quote from: PointWarrior on July 31, 2025, 03:25:32 PMPlaying hard for that wildcard...

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 31, 2025, 05:33:40 PMBrewers getting Shelby Miller plus from Arizona.

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 31, 2025, 05:38:07 PMThe plus is a guy not pitching this year and is a free agent, Jordan Montgomery. Wonder what else is in it.

Quote from: Jockey on July 31, 2025, 04:53:04 PMTwins are disbanding tonight.

Quote from: GB Warrior on July 31, 2025, 05:40:41 PMCash or PTBNL. As long as that doesn't turn into Michael Conforto this is a trade for Antanasio's couch cushion change.

Quote from: JWags85 on July 31, 2025, 05:42:53 PMTwins trade everybody...except Joe Ryan who was the top trade target and the one expected to bring a king's ransom.

And that Correa deal is....something.  Paying a third of his remaining salary and getting back a thoroughly unimpressive pitcher still in rookie ball?  My god.

Quote from: cheebs09 on July 31, 2025, 05:33:40 PMBrewers getting Shelby Miller plus from Arizona.

Quote from: Jockey on July 31, 2025, 04:53:04 PMTwins are disbanding tonight.

Quote from: tower912 on July 31, 2025, 06:13:51 PMThe Tigers went out and got every available journeyman pitcher with a pulse.  Spaghetti method.  See what sticks.

Quote from: Jockey on July 31, 2025, 03:19:49 PMWhere else do you keep the trash?