https://x.com/portal_updates/status/1905303810618097935?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
I had a feeling he would be gone once they announced the RS. Makes sense to save a year of eligibility.
Good luck Al, hope you're successful wherever you end up.
Good luck, Al.
Don't let the door hit you on the way out
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 12:22:20 PMDon't let the door hit you on the way out
Why the bitterness? Did he kick your dog or something?
Quote from: The Thing on March 27, 2025, 12:30:40 PMWhy the bitterness? Did he kick your dog or something?
He's a trader
Two schollies open...
Shaka plans to use them all. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
He is another project that did not work out. Shaka believes in development, some kids just are not good enough, he was one of them! Opens up 4 for the next two years, or a portal player, doubt that.
No suprise there
Writing was on the wall as soon as he redshirted
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 27, 2025, 12:40:00 PMWriting was on the wall as soon as he redshirted
I don't necessarily agree with that, although he clearly didn't continue to develop enough over the course of the redshirt and here we are.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 27, 2025, 12:44:42 PMI don't necessarily agree with that, although he clearly didn't continue to develop enough over the course of the redshirt and here we are.
I'm just shocked this could have happened when so many said the roster wouldn't change
clears out room for another project big who can redshirt next year.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 27, 2025, 12:40:00 PMWriting was on the wall as soon as he redshirted
Do all RS's transfer?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 12:46:18 PMI'm just shocked this could have happened when so many said the roster wouldn't change
Still a few kids should see the writing on the wall!
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 27, 2025, 12:51:06 PMStill a few kids should see the writing on the wall!
I'd cut the whole team but that's just me
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 27, 2025, 12:31:29 PMTwo schollies open...
Shaka plans to use them all. Will be interesting to see how this plays out.
I wouldn't be so sure about that. I just got off the phone with Shaka, and he said, "Amadou nothing."
Good luck, young man.
Sacar is a "redshirt 2nd year" success story, but I'd have think the percentage of players who go on to have success at a school where they play their first year and then redshirt the second year due to not being ready has to be pretty small. Shaka is 0/3 now with this (Ellis, Keeyan, and Al). Unless there are exceptional circumstances, if a player is not ready to play by the time their second year begins, it is best just to part ways at that point. Anyway, good luck to Al. I'm sure I'll randomly catch one of his games next year by accident.
Excited for the young man to get playing time wherever he ends up. Just too much forward depth on the roster and unfortunately he would have been at or near the bottom.
I do think Shaka and staff go above and beyond to help guys find good fits once they want to transfer. Shaka mentioned Keeyan still has a great relationship with the staff.
I do like to watch former MU players that transfered out to get more playing time such as Keeyan at NKU or Emarion at Nicholls.
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We need a guy with some meat on their bones that can rebound
Quote from: MattyWarrior on March 27, 2025, 01:25:21 PMWe need a guy with some meat on their bones that can rebound
Preferably, with a mohawk
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Now I'm just going to procrastinate out of spite...
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 27, 2025, 01:26:29 PMNow I'm just going to procrastinate out of spite...
Ah, so the great summoning worked!
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Makes sense. I didn't see much opportunity for him to play anytime soon, and didn't have much optimism in him developing into a contributor anytime soon. I wish him luck. Hopefully this gives Shaka the opportunity to add another player who can immediately contribute.
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on March 27, 2025, 01:28:24 PMMakes sense. I didn't see much opportunity for him to play anytime soon, and didn't have much optimism in him developing into a contributor anytime soon. I wish him luck. Hopefully this gives Shaka the opportunity to add another player who can immediately contribute.
You aren't down for another project big man?
Quote from: MUbiz on March 27, 2025, 01:29:50 PMYou aren't down for another project big man?
I have no problem taking project bigs. But I think we've filled our quota for the time being. And I'm more confident in the ones remaining on the roster eventually contributing than I was with Al.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 12:53:57 PMI'd cut the whole team but that's just me
Yep. I'm sick of these "basketball players" suckling on my alma mater's teet.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 27, 2025, 01:27:07 PMAh, so the great summoning worked!
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Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 12:22:20 PMDon't let the door hit you on the way out
What is wrong with you?
When St. John's signed Ejiofor, he was a "project big." He had averaged 5 mpg, playing almost exclusively in garbage time, as a Kansas freshman.
As a sophomore at St. John's, he averaged 11 mpg, still largely in garbage time or when all the other bigs were in foul trouble.
Lots of Scoopers would have complained about the coach having wasted a scholarship on Ejiofor when he was signed, and then would have said the coach should have encouraged him to transfer after his "useless" sophomore year.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 27, 2025, 02:04:46 PMRico gets another one.
I learned ball from dentists and unless the kid is a white guy from the sticks, we don't need them
Quote from: MU_Beav on March 27, 2025, 01:45:55 PMWhat is wrong with you?
Rico is addicted to satire, schticking it to the trolls. That is what is wrong with him.
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2025, 01:47:39 PMWhen St. John's signed Ejiofor, he was a "project big." He had averaged 5 mpg, playing almost exclusively in garbage time, as a Kansas freshman.
As a sophomore at St. John's, he averaged 11 mpg, still largely in garbage time or when all the other bigs were in foul trouble.
Lots of Scoopers would have complained about the coach having wasted a scholarship on Ejiofor when he was signed, and then would have said the coach should have encouraged him to transfer after his "useless" sophomore year.
He was a top 50 RSCI guy
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 27, 2025, 02:09:39 PMHe was a top 50 RSCI guy
Yup he was #50 in the final '22 ranking.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 27, 2025, 02:09:39 PMHe was a top 50 RSCI guy
Which would have had scoopers even more outraged, the lack of production after two seasons.
Quote from: tower912 on March 27, 2025, 02:15:55 PMWhich would have had scoopers even more outraged, the lack of production after two seasons.
Undoubtedly. But, to be fair, he was playing behind Soriano last year as a soph.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 02:06:01 PMI learned ball from dentists and unless the kid is a white guy from the sticks, we don't need them
How basketball teams should be built.
This other guy didn't do anything his first two years so that means it's unfair to even question Hamilton or Amadous play: bleh Bleh bleh bleh bleh baba baba blee blee blue blue :/
Quote from: Johnny B on March 27, 2025, 02:22:00 PMThis other guy didn't do anything his first two years so that means it's evil to even question Hamilton or Amadous play: bleh Bleh bleh bleh bleh baba baba blee blee blue blue :/
To be fair, no one here knows. Some guys blossom late, some never do.
Time will tell and suggesting Al will go either way with certainty is silly.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 27, 2025, 02:22:00 PMThis other guy didn't do anything his first two years
If there was any inclination Amadou would be the next Ejiofor, he probably wouldn't be in the portal (unless he was looking for a bag drop).
Didn't pan out, hope he finds a place that where he can get plenty of playing time.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 27, 2025, 02:22:00 PMThis other guy didn't do anything his first two years so that means it's unfair to even question Hamilton or Amadous play: bleh Bleh bleh bleh bleh baba baba blee blee blue blue :/
Absolutely. I just choose to highlight others who have developed and hold out hope that those at MU will do the same. And wish Amadou well.
Good luck to Al wherever he goes. Hope he finds a great fit and opportunity.
We will *only* have three seniors and two juniors next year. A stop-gap, both talent and class-wise, appears to be a good fit with current roster construction.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 27, 2025, 02:35:54 PMWe will *only* have three seniors and two juniors next year.
Not counting Sean's RS?
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?page=scholarship
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 27, 2025, 02:35:54 PMWe will *only* have three seniors and two juniors next year. .
#FakeNews #Lies
Are we pretending Amadou's departure is unrelated to what the coaching staff sees as his future upside?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 02:41:54 PMAre we pretending Amadou's departure is unrelated to what the coaching staff sees as his future upside?
Not sure I've seen a single person doing this.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 02:41:54 PMAre we pretending Amadou's departure is unrelated to what the coaching staff sees as his future upside?
I am.
Aircraft carriers take 5-7 years to build, Not everyone has that patience. Good luck developing that fadeaway from the elbow elsewhere, young man.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 02:41:54 PMAre we pretending Amadou's departure is unrelated to what the coaching staff sees as his future upside?
Yeah, I think it is fairly clear what happened here. He was redshirted because it was decided to try him as a wing. He had a season to work on it, and it may not have go well, so Shaka told him what his status would be.
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2025, 01:47:39 PMWhen St. John's signed Ejiofor, he was a "project big." He had averaged 5 mpg, playing almost exclusively in garbage time, as a Kansas freshman.
As a sophomore at St. John's, he averaged 11 mpg, still largely in garbage time or when all the other bigs were in foul trouble.
Lots of Scoopers would have complained about the coach having wasted a scholarship on Ejiofor when he was signed, and then would have said the coach should have encouraged him to transfer after his "useless" sophomore year.
Being a top 50 guy and a year at Kansas like Zuby is not a project big.
Project bigs are what shaka has taken. 3 star dudes with only a few or none hi major offers. Clark averaged less than 10 points and 5 boards in high school and had zero hi major interest. That's a project.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 27, 2025, 12:50:48 PMDo all RS's transfer?
No, but redshirting as a sophomore isn't exactly the normal progression
Quote from: MUbiz on March 27, 2025, 03:37:17 PMBeing a top 50 guy and a year at Kansas like Zuby is not a project big.
Project bigs are what shaka has taken. 3 star dudes with only a few or none hi major offers. Clark averaged less than 10 points and 5 boards in high school and had zero hi major interest. That's a project.
Zuby wasn't a top-50 guy while he was riding the pine for two different programs with Hall of Fame coaches. His HS ranking didn't help him get PT.
A not-small segment of Scoop would have been saying Shaka should sit him down after year 2 and suggest he transfer down a level.
As for Amadou ... I think it's good that he is seeking a change of scenery, and I wish him well.
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2025, 04:52:55 PMA not-small segment of Scoop would have been saying Shaka should sit him down after year 2 and suggest he transfer down a level.
Hamilton is the only guy on the team close to that comparison, and only a couple people have mentioned that. Is 2-3 a "not-small segment"?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 27, 2025, 12:49:33 PMclears out room for another project big who can redshirt next year.
Are they forced to wear red shirts?
I think Kentucky retired Sam Bowie's redshirt
This is pretty great news, all things considered. With the way our roster would look like next year, I worried that Amadou's role would be quite superfluous since we already have three guys that can play the 5 spot, and it seemed very unlikely that he'd be able to fill in as a stretch-4.
I figured Shaka & company knew that already, but I seriously doubted he would leave because of the emphasis relationships - so I'm pretty surprised.
Hopefully Shaka uses this as an opportunity to bring in a transfer since he did say previously that this exact circumstance is the only case in which he'd do so. While unfortunate that Amadou is leaving, this is 100% for the best.
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2025, 01:47:39 PMWhen St. John's signed Ejiofor, he was a "project big." He had averaged 5 mpg, playing almost exclusively in garbage time, as a Kansas freshman.
As a sophomore at St. John's, he averaged 11 mpg, still largely in garbage time or when all the other bigs were in foul trouble.
Lots of Scoopers would have complained about the coach having wasted a scholarship on Ejiofor when he was signed, and then would have said the coach should have encouraged him to transfer after his "useless" sophomore year.
This is an all time bad take. And that really means something coming from panda2.0
A little surprised to see this news, but either Al, or the staff, or both concluded that he'd see more playing time elsewhere. I thought Al had some nice upside, but it didn't look like he was able to put on much weight during his time at MU and that likely would challenge his success in the Big East.
All accounts Al was a great kid, and wish him well at his next school.
Good luck to the young man.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 27, 2025, 06:30:15 PMA little surprised to see this news, but either Al, or the staff, or both concluded that he'd see more playing time elsewhere. I thought Al had some nice upside, but it didn't look like he was able to put on much weight during his time at MU and that likely would challenge his success in the Big East.
All accounts Al was a great kid, and wish him well at his next school.
Badgers 😉
Nm
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 27, 2025, 06:20:00 PMThis is an all time bad take. And that really means something coming from panda2.0
You mean in the vein of "takes one to know one" or "pot, meet kettle"? Yup.
Quote from: K1 Lover on March 27, 2025, 06:04:32 PM... since we already have three guys that can play the 5 spot
This assumes facts not in evidence.
I mean, they can play it in a "be on the court in the position" kind of way, but we definitely don't know if two of them can
play it.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 27, 2025, 01:00:21 PMSacar is a "redshirt 2nd year" success story, but I'd have think the percentage of players who go on to have success at a school where they play their first year and then redshirt the second year due to not being ready has to be pretty small. Shaka is 0/3 now with this (Ellis, Keeyan, and Al). Unless there are exceptional circumstances, if a player is not ready to play by the time their second year begins, it is best just to part ways at that point. Anyway, good luck to Al. I'm sure I'll randomly catch one of his games next year by accident.
Amil McCaskill became a pro.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 27, 2025, 05:35:03 PMHamilton is the only guy on the team close to that comparison, and only a couple people have mentioned that. Is 2-3 a "not-small segment"?
Maybe. I guess they were just really loud. Like this gentleman ...
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 27, 2025, 06:20:00 PMThis is an all time bad take. And that really means something coming from panda2.0
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2025, 07:38:48 PMMaybe. I guess they were just really loud. Like this gentleman ...
I will literally eat my words - I will print out this post and eat it if Caedin Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor at Marquette
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 27, 2025, 07:43:30 PMI will literally eat my words - I will print out this post and eat it if Caedin Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor at Marquette
You also said Sean was transferring.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 27, 2025, 07:51:21 PMYou also said Sean was transferring.
One is opinion and one is fact bozo
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 07:26:20 PMThis assumes facts not in evidence.
I mean, they can play it in a "be on the court in the position" kind of way, but we definitely don't know if two of them can play it.
Jesus. The nitpicking is insane but okay dude. 😂
Didn't realize how illogical of me it was to assume that Al Amadou, a player who barely got time playing with walk-ons, wouldn't have a greater contribution at the 5 than Hamilton, who's much bigger physically and a clear focus for development, or Clark, who's 7'1. Clearly it's a nonsensical assumption by me.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 27, 2025, 07:52:51 PMOne is opinion and one is fact bozo
When is Sean entering the portal?
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 27, 2025, 07:43:30 PMI will literally eat my words - I will print out this post and eat it if Caedin Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor at Marquette
Define "significant contributor."
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2025, 08:35:20 PMDefine "significant contributor."
Started playing 27 minutes or more. Averaging 12 points 8 boards.
Quote from: K1 Lover on March 27, 2025, 08:03:29 PMJesus. The nitpicking is insane but okay dude. 😂
Didn't realize how illogical of me it was to assume that Al Amadou, a player who barely got time playing with walk-ons, wouldn't have a greater contribution at the 5 than Hamilton, who's much bigger physically and a clear focus for development, or Clark, who's 7'1. Clearly it's a nonsensical assumption by me.
Yeah, I didn't write anything about Al.
I was pointing out your folly in claiming that MU has three guys capable of holding down the 5 spot. We have Gold and two projects who've played a combined 184 minutes. I hope they're awesome. Right now they're unknowns.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 08:48:40 PMYeah, I didn't write anything about Al.
I was pointing out your folly in claiming that MU has three guys capable of holding down the 5 spot. We have Gold and two projects who've played a combined 184 minutes. I hope they're awesome. Right now they're unknowns.
The only folly here is you misconstruing my point entirely. Never did I say that we have three guys who can hold down the 5 spot; I said that we already have three guys who can play that spot.
My point wasn't that Al Amadou would see less playing time because of a difference in talent, but because of the objective fact that the more players there are sharing a position, the less minutes they're each going to get - especially when three of them are on the bench.
It's really not that difficult.
Quote from: K1 Lover on March 27, 2025, 06:04:32 PMThis is pretty great news, all things considered. With the way our roster would look like next year, I worried that Amadou's role would be quite superfluous since we already have three guys that can play the 5 spot, and it seemed very unlikely that he'd be able to fill in as a stretch-4.
I figured Shaka & company knew that already, but I seriously doubted he would leave because of the emphasis relationships - so I'm pretty surprised.
Hopefully Shaka uses this as an opportunity to bring in a transfer since he did say previously that this exact circumstance is the only case in which he'd do so. While unfortunate that Amadou is leaving, this is 100% for the best.
So not really unfortunate hey?
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 27, 2025, 09:11:11 PMSo not really unfortunate hey?
Unfortunate in the sense that I'll miss his dunks.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 27, 2025, 08:45:40 PMStarted playing 27 minutes or more. Averaging 12 points 8 boards.
So Stevie wasn't a significant contributor?
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 27, 2025, 06:20:00 PMThis is an all time bad take. And that really means something coming from panda2.0
MU82 is a retired sportswriter. Not exactly known for their intelligence.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 27, 2025, 08:45:40 PMStarted playing 27 minutes or more. Averaging 12 points 8 boards.
Man, Oso was never a significant contributor for Marquette.
Really need to rethink how productive he actually was for us.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 27, 2025, 09:18:14 PMMU82 is a retired sportswriter. Not exactly known for their intelligence.
lol
Assumed someone would be transferring and he was #1 I was expecting. Still think one more is a possibility.
Quote from: Markusquette on March 27, 2025, 09:56:29 PMAssumed someone would be transferring and he was #1 I was expecting. Still think one more is a possibility.
Agreed.......however some think that player (if the same) could have been a breakout player this year and a starter next year......we will see.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 27, 2025, 07:52:51 PMOne is opinion and one is fact bozo
This made me laugh out loud.
You've survived another day on scoop, keep up the strong work
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 27, 2025, 08:45:40 PMStarted playing 27 minutes or more. Averaging 12 points 8 boards.
Good to know that Diener, Merritt and Novak weren't significant contributors for Marquette in 2003. Or that Khaman Maluach isn't a significant contributor to Duke this season.
You sure you're not a retired sportswriter?
Quote from: MU82 on March 28, 2025, 12:05:08 AMGood to know that Diener, Merritt and Novak weren't significant contributors for Marquette in 2003. Or that Khaman Maluach isn't a significant contributor to Duke this season.
You sure you're not a retired sportswriter?
Buddy you asked me to define what I believe would be a significant contributor, I did and you don't like my answer? Thats on you.
Caedin needs to perform to or around my projections midway through is jr year and through the entirety of his senior year to justify carrying him for that long with his very limited current skill set. That's the end point in the progression of a project big.
What's the point of keeping a project big if they're never going to develop to a key contributor on the team?
Another phenomenal example with an unheralded five star Maluach. 13 6 and 4 blocks last night in 23 minutes. Waste of a scholarship !
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 07:06:09 AMBuddy you asked me to define what I believe would be a significant contributor, I did and you don't like my answer? Thats on you.
Caedin needs to perform to or around my projections midway through is jr year and through the entirety of his senior year to justify carrying him for that long with his very limited current skill set. That's the end point in the progression of a project big.
What's the point of keeping a project big if they're never going to develop to a key contributor on the team?
Another phenomenal example with an unheralded five star Maluach. 13 6 and 4 blocks last night in 23 minutes. Waste of a scholarship !
The issue is you just decided some numbers and didn't realize that other players who clearly were major contributors can't meet those numbers.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 07:34:29 AMThe issue is you just decided some numbers and didn't realize that other players who clearly were major contributors can't meet those numbers.
I think you're confused. He asked ME to define what MY opinion of a significant contributor. Not yours.
Then MU82 and Vander blue man group, both part of my bonafide bozo's group on this page, listed players who are nothing like what Caedin profiles as. Of course oso, Novak and diener wont average the numbers I said for caedin. That's a false equivalency.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 07:51:12 AMI think you're confused. He asked ME to define what MY opinion of a significant contributor. Not yours.
Then MU82 and Vander blue man group, both part of my bonafide bozo's group on this page, listed players who are nothing like what Caedin profiles as. Of course oso, Novak and diener wont average the numbers I said for caedin. That's a false equivalency.
No, I assure you, I am not confused. You chose arbitrary numbers without actually thinking and are now back pedaling because you also realize this.
If you'd like to admit that YOUR opinion of what a significant contributor is pretty bad in hindsight, you sure can.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4894465/owen-freeman
Here is a guy that a lot of folks around here wanted to pencil in as a starter if he transferred to Marquette.
26.4 minutes 16.7 points 6.7 rebounds per game.
I think most people would agree that Owen Freeman plays a position comparable to Caedin Hamilton. And I think that most people would agree that Owen Freeman was a 'significant contributor' at Iowa. But by your criteria, he'd be short on time and rebounds.
Surely, you can see the problem, and why you're getting dunked on.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 08:02:19 AMNo, I assure you, I am not confused. You chose arbitrary numbers without actually thinking and are now back pedaling because you also realize this.
If you'd like to admit that YOUR opinion of what a significant contributor is pretty bad in hindsight, you sure can.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4894465/owen-freeman
Here is a guy that a lot of folks around here wanted to pencil in as a starter if he transferred to Marquette.
26.4 minutes 16.7 points 6.7 rebounds per game.
I think most people would agree that Owen Freeman plays a position comparable to Caedin Hamilton. And I think that most people would agree that Owen Freeman was a 'significant contributor' at Iowa. But by your criteria, he'd be short on time and rebounds.
Surely, you can see the problem, and why you're getting dunked on.
Please tell me what was wrong with my opinion ? I still don't see an issue with the answer I gave which ultimately is an opinion which you are correct, is fairly arbitrary. I didn't base it on anything except what in my head st that particular second I believe a bruiser big to average his late junior and senior year.
Also how am I back tracking? And why are you worried about this ?
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 08:09:31 AMPlease tell me what was wrong with my opinion ? I still don't see an issue with the answer I gave which ultimately is an opinion which you are correct, is fairly arbitrary. I didn't base it on anything except what in my head st that particular second I believe a bruiser big to average his late junior and senior year.
Also how am I back tracking? And why are you worried about this ?
Because if your opinion is that those numbers have to be attained to be a major contributor, and actual major contributors playing the same position don't meet those numbers, then your opinion sucks.
But you are still entitled to it. Just as everyone else is free to challenge it.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 08:15:33 AMBecause if your opinion is that those numbers have to be attained to be a major contributor, and actual major contributors playing the same position don't meet those numbers, then your opinion sucks.
12 and 8 is very attainable for a player of his profile and stature. You're all nitpicking because you have nothing better to do.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 08:20:35 AM12 and 8 is very attainable for a player of his profile and stature. You're all nitpicking because you have nothing better to do.
Uh. No. We are showing you the folly of your ways and you are digging in on a bad opinion because you either can't admit your opinion was bad, or because you don't really understand college basketball. So which is it?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 08:22:37 AMUh. No. We are showing you the folly of your ways and you are digging in on a bad opinion because you either can't admit your opinion was bad, or because you don't really understand college basketball. So which is it?
Tell me why 12 and 8 is a bad guesstimate?
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 08:09:31 AMPlease tell me what was wrong with my opinion ? I still don't see an issue with the answer I gave which ultimately is an opinion which you are correct, is fairly arbitrary. I didn't base it on anything except what in my head st that particular second I believe a bruiser big to average his late junior and senior year.
Also how am I back tracking? And why are you worried about this ?
When you write something on the internet as an opinion and it doesn't make logical sense, expect to be challenged on that opinion.
This is a message board where we discuss Marquette basketball. If you want to discuss it, that's great, we all do. But if you come in with a balloon-animal-ass opinion, expect to be treated like a clown.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 08:26:54 AMWhen you write something on the internet as an opinion and it doesn't make logical sense, expect to be challenged on that opinion.
This is a message board where we discuss Marquette basketball. If you want to discuss it, that's great, we all do. But if you come in with a balloon-animal-ass opinion, expect to be treated like a clown.
Once again, why is it unrealistic to expect 12 and 8 for a four year bruising big ?
What is your projection?
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 08:25:48 AMTell me why 12 and 8 is a bad guesstimate?
It might be fine as an estimate for what he will achieve. But you stated that was your definition of a "major contributor." We are pointing out why your definition is foolish.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 08:30:31 AMOnce again, why is it unrealistic to expect 12 and 8 for a four year bruising big ?
What is your projection?
I have none. I expect nothing so then I can't be disappointed.
12 and 8 would be great, but I wouldn't consider him a failure if he doesn't meet those numbers.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 08:31:30 AMIt might be fine as an estimate for what he will achieve. But you stated that was your definition of a "major contributor." We are pointing out why your definition is foolish.
Why would Shaka carry a player, to put it very kindly - is extremely raw, for what will be five years, if he doesn't turn into a significant contributor?
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 08:39:40 AMWhy would Shaka carry a player, to put it very kindly - is extremely raw, for what will be five years, if he doesn't turn into a significant contributor?
Every team needs role players. Not everyone turns into a stud.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 08:51:28 AMEvery team needs role players. Not everyone turns into a stud.
It's detrimental to roster building to carry a project type like him for 3 years before he can contribute in this day and age. This year we needed a big who could play. Amadou, Clark and Hamilton blocked the ability to make us more competitive.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 08:51:28 AMEvery team needs role players. Not everyone turns into a stud.
It's detrimental to roster building to carry a project type like him for 3 years before he can contribute in this day and age. This year we needed a big who could play. Amadou, Clark and Hamilton blocked the ability to make us more competitive.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 08:33:17 AMI have none. I expect nothing so then I can't be disappointed.
12 and 8 would be great, but I wouldn't consider him a failure if he doesn't meet those numbers.
Lots of hand wringing over this topic for you to not have any expectation. Maybe sit it out.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 08:56:58 AMIt's detrimental to roster building to carry a project type like him for 3 years before he can contribute in this day and age. This year we needed a big who could play. Amadou, Clark and Hamilton blocked the ability to make us more competitive.
Lots of hand wringing over this topic for you to not have any expectation. Maybe sit it out.
Not having expectations disqualify me from discussing this topic? You sure do have a lot of opinions.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 08:39:40 AMWhy would Shaka carry a player, to put it very kindly - is extremely raw, for what will be five years, if he doesn't turn into a significant contributor?
<sigh>
I feel like I'm debating a toddler.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 09:10:56 AM<sigh>
I feel like I'm debating a toddler.
It's the internet. You might be!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 12:53:57 PMI'd cut the whole team but that's just me
He's off to a good start, booting Kam, Stevie, and Jop to the curb.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 09:10:56 AM<sigh>
I feel like I'm debating a toddler.
Still I'm not sure why aside from relationships, growth and victory.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 08:56:20 AMIt's detrimental to roster building to carry a project type like him for 3 years before he can contribute in this day and age.
I would argue it makes even more sense these days now that you can have 15 scholarships.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 08:26:54 AMBut if you come in with a balloon-animal-ass opinion, expect to be treated like a clown.
Just came here to say, this is awesome.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 28, 2025, 10:27:38 AMI would argue it makes even more sense these days now that you can have 15 scholarships.
More sense for the program, less sense for the player. Sitting 2+ years is an odd choice when you can go play significant minutes at a mid-major with an eye toward making yourself a hot commodity in the portal.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 28, 2025, 10:27:38 AMI would argue it makes even more sense these days now that you can have 15 scholarships.
Bingo. Clark signed with Marquette on May 10, 2024. I'm guessing Shaka looked into other options for the final scholarship, and at that point the best option was to sign a raw big. Caedin committed to Marquette on August 1. Same story. We currently have 2 open scholarships to play with.
The idea that these guys are eating up scholarships that would've otherwise gone to Ryan Conwell and Cliff Omoruyi is just not reality.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 08:33:17 AMI have none. I expect nothing so then I can't be disappointed.
12 and 8 would be great, but I wouldn't consider him a failure if he doesn't meet those numbers.
Just here to post Davante Gardner stats:
So - 9.5 and 5.2 in 19.1 minutes
Jr - 11.5 and 4.8 in 21.4 minutes
Sr - 14.9 and 5.7 in 26.6 minutes
Never turned into a significant contributor. Should have been #buzzcut.
No wonder Pandas are endangered
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 28, 2025, 10:43:59 AMNo wonder Pandas are endangered
They are extremely dumb animals and don't even really know how to reproduce.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 10:46:51 AMThey are extremely dumb animals and don't even really know how to reproduce.
And eat bamboo, a plant almost completely devoid of nutrition.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 28, 2025, 10:40:42 AMJust here to post Davante Gardner stats:
So - 9.5 and 5.2 in 19.1 minutes
Jr - 11.5 and 4.8 in 21.4 minutes
Sr - 14.9 and 5.7 in 26.6 minutes
Never turned into a significant contributor. Should have been #buzzcut.
That was Derrick Wilson's fault not buzz
How many centers at Marquette ( apples to apples comparison to Hamilton) have averaged 12 and 8 over the last 20 years?
Ellenson did but I think we'd all agree that he was more forward than center and as a one and done McDonald's AA I'm not sure it's a fair comparison.
I mean the list of all players is pretty damn slim.......Justin Lewis and Robert Jackson were close enough to the 8 rebounds that you could round it up and I'd give it to you( Jackson doesn't make the 20 year filter) but he seems to be the last one.
Gardner? No
Luke Fischer? No
Theo? No
Oso? No
I think it's a silly standard but it fits your narrative........Crowl from UW would by any reasonable standard be considered " a significant contributor) ..... he played for 5 years on mostly good teams.......he started 4 of those years.....he never averaged 12 points and 8 rebounds in any season. He was close a couple of seasons but did he do it? No he did not.
Let's go back to the original point. I am putting my money where my mouth is here. I will eat my column if Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor for Marquette.
What does everyone view as an achievable statistical goal for Hamilton to reach to become what they consider a significant contributor?
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 11:07:47 AMLet's go back to the original point. I am putting my money where my mouth is here. I will eat my column if Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor for Marquette.
What does everyone view as an achievable statistical goal for Hamilton to reach to become what they consider a significant contributor?
Weren't you the guy saying Sean Jones was going to the portal earlier this month?
Quote from: Bahama on March 28, 2025, 11:11:02 AMWeren't you the guy saying Sean Jones was going to the portal earlier this month?
Stay tuned
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 11:07:47 AMLet's go back to the original point. I am putting my money where my mouth is here. I will eat my column if Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor for Marquette.
Your original point was foolish, and you were repeatedly dunked on with more ferocity than Ja dunked on Joey.
And then, as usual, you couldn't admit you were wrong.
See, here's how it's done ...
I made a comment in which I referred to Ejiofor as a "project big." I shouldn't have. As a few Scoopers pointed out, he was never what most people would define as a project big, even if he didn't live up to his HS ranking during his first two college seasons. It was an error on my part - wasn't my first, won't be my last.
There. That wasn't very difficult. You should try it sometime!
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 11:07:47 AMLet's go back to the original point. I am putting my money where my mouth is here. I will eat my column if Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor for Marquette.
What does everyone view as an achievable statistical goal for Hamilton to reach to become what they consider a significant contributor?
You shouldn't have put the 12 and 8 thing to qualify for significant contribution. idk how to define but I think we can all more or less intuit what it means for a player. And I agree Hamilton is a horizon league back up.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 11:07:47 AMLet's go back to the original point. I am putting my money where my mouth is here. I will eat my column if Hamilton ever becomes a significant contributor for Marquette.
What does everyone view as an achievable statistical goal for Hamilton to reach to become what they consider a significant contributor?
Players can have all sorts of different statistical profiles in order to be considered "significant contributors." But I think the easiest way to define it is MINUTES.
Top 7 (maybe top 8, depending on how deep the rotation is) in minutes played is probably the cutoff for significant contributor.
Quote from: MuMark on March 28, 2025, 10:57:34 AMHow many centers at Marquette ( apples to apples comparison to Hamilton) have averaged 12 and 8 over the last 20 years?
Ellenson did but I think we'd all agree that he was more forward than center and as a one and done McDonald's AA I'm not sure it's a fair comparison.
I mean the list of all players is pretty damn slim.......Justin Lewis and Robert Jackson were close enough to the 8 rebounds that you could round it up and I'd give it to you( Jackson doesn't make the 20 year filter) but he seems to be the last one.
Gardner? No
Luke Fischer? No
Theo? No
Oso? No
This explains why Marquette has been terrible for so long.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 07:51:12 AMI think you're confused. He asked ME to define what MY opinion of a significant contributor. Not yours.
Then MU82 and Vander blue man group, both part of my bonafide bozo's group on this page, listed players who are nothing like what Caedin profiles as. Of course oso, Novak and diener wont average the numbers I said for caedin. That's a false equivalency.
Hey dummy, Caedin is a 5. I specifically mentioned Oso, who was also a 5. His last two seasons Oso went 11/6 and 13/7, neither of which qualified by your "standard.
You:
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Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 10:46:51 AMThey are extremely dumb animals and don't even really know how to reproduce.
Yes that's what I insinuated
Best of luck to Luke
https://x.com/goldeneagles247/status/1905706094158352894?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 28, 2025, 01:53:46 PMHey dummy, Caedin is a 5. I specifically mentioned Oso, who was also a 5. His last two seasons Oso went 11/6 and 13/7, neither of which qualified by your "standard.
You:
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Why so much anger? Just remember, it's easy to be happy and kind.
I believe and I would think many here would as well, Caedin and Oso are very different profiles of players. I don't see Caedin ever evolving into the role Oso played his JR/SR year. Caedin will be limited to grinding under the hoop for boards and scoring easy dump off buckets. Totally different player than Oso even though as you mentioned, they do play the same position.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 11:11:26 AMStay tuned
Assume you'll give a full apology and say you were wrong when you turn out to be.
Going into the sepia tinted past, am I the only one who sees Caedin as a taller Burke and Clark as a taller Barro? Neither met the statistical threshold set up, but both contributed. Being able to sub Ooze for Burke wouldn't suck. Know your role, do your job.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 03:06:31 PMWhy so much anger? Just remember, it's easy to be happy and kind.
I believe and I would think many here would as well, Caedin and Oso are very different profiles of players. I don't see Caedin ever evolving into the role Oso played his JR/SR year. Caedin will be limited to grinding under the hoop for boards and scoring easy dump off buckets. Totally different player than Oso even though as you mentioned, they do play the same position.
LOL. I'm not angry and my response was in regards to you referring to me and MU82 as "bozo's". I was fun to watch the rest of you the board dunk on your for your awful take, though.
I think it's fair to compare to 5s in terms of production even if they don't have similar styles.
The point is Oso is an all-timer yet he didn't meet your "standards" in terms of how you defined a significant contributor.
Perhaps Caiden averages 8/4 as an upperclassman rotation big in 18-20 minutes a game. To me, that would be a significant contribution.
To be clear, Caiden may never approach those numbers - he's got a long way to go to be a productive player. It's reasonable to believe he won't become a significant contributor. It's also reasonable not to give up on the possibility of that happening with 3 more years of eligibility remaining.
Quote from: tower912 on March 28, 2025, 03:10:27 PMGoing into the sepia tinted past, am I the only one who sees Caedin as a taller Burke and Clark as a taller Barro? Neither met the statistical threshold set up, but both contributed. Being able to sub Ooze for Burke wouldn't suck. Know your role, do your job.
I don't see Burke with Caedin. But I do agree. If they both can become rotation bigs, we could do a lot worse at the 5. If what you describe comes to fruition that'd be our best situation at the 5 this millennium, besides Oso.
You could certainly see Clark becoming some version of Kur.........not a big scorer but a rotation piece and elite shot blocker.
It's just so hard to make projections on how someone will adapt or look 3 or 4 years down the road.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 28, 2025, 03:23:36 PMLOL. I'm not angry and my response was in regards to you referring to me and MU82 as "bozo's". I was fun to watch the rest of you the board dunk on your for your awful take, though.
I think it's fair to compare to 5s in terms of production even if they don't have similar styles.
The point is Oso is an all-timer yet he didn't meet your "standards" in terms of how you defined a significant contributor.
Perhaps Caiden averages 8/4 as an upperclassman rotation big in 18-20 minutes a game. To me, that would be a significant contribution.
To be clear, Caiden may never approach those numbers - he's got a long way to go to be a productive player. It's reasonable to believe he won't become a significant contributor. It's also reasonable not to give up on the possibility of that happening with 3 more years of eligibility remaining.
I don't think it's a productive exercise to compare two players with wildly different skillsets.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 03:06:31 PMWhy so much anger? Just remember, it's easy to be happy and kind.
I believe and I would think many here would as well, Caedin and Oso are very different profiles of players. I don't see Caedin ever evolving into the role Oso played his JR/SR year. Caedin will be limited to grinding under the hoop for boards and scoring easy dump off buckets. Totally different player than Oso even though as you mentioned, they do play the same position.
Cade is a great passer. He isn't a great ball handler though. My opinion is that we've seen spot minutes for him, and the game will slow down for him and he will find more consistent looks underneath. He was in his first year this year! Give him some time before you give up on him. None of this is guaranteed, but as I mentioned in another thread, many people write off some of our guys way too early. No one expected anything of Oso, and look how he turned out!
Either way, 6'9 245lb dudes don't grow on trees, and there is plenty of room for him.
In Oso's first 2 seasons at MU his offensive rebound rate was lower than Caden's was last season......his defensive rebound rate was slightly better and surprisingly his assist rate was lower. Block rates were similar.
Obviously very small sample for Hamilton but Oso didn't really come into his own as a playmaker until his junior season.
Obviously big difference in athleticism and quickness..........biggest problem for Hamilton is he didn't finish around the rim nearly good enough........can he learn to use his body better and become a better shooter?
Without the athleticism it will be harder for him but that doesn't mean he can't carve out a role.
Oso played 38 minutes as a freshman.
Hamilton has a long way to go but he's promising. Not a stiff. I can totally see him becoming a contributor.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rB9ZcNAfnI
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 04:02:45 PMCade is a great passer. He isn't a great ball handler though. My opinion is that we've seen spot minutes for him, and the game will slow down for him and he will find more consistent looks underneath. He was in his first year this year! Give him some time before you give up on him. None of this is guaranteed, but as I mentioned in another thread, many people write off some of our guys way too early. No one expected anything of Oso, and look how he turned out!
Either way, 6'9 245lb dudes don't grow on trees, and there is plenty of room for him.
Caedin can't jump so hopefully as the game slows down for him he can learn to use his size, strength and footwork to score around the hoop.
I saw what you did as far as the passing but it's clear he wasn't comfortable. Needs to improve his hands as well.
I have no issue using a scholarship on him, especially with 15 at our disposal.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 28, 2025, 04:50:36 PMCaedin can't jump so hopefully as the game slows down for him he can learn to use his size, strength and footwork to score around the hoop.
I saw what you did as far as the passing but it's clear he wasn't comfortable. Needs to improve his hands as well.
I have no issue using a scholarship on him, especially with 15 at our disposal.
Yep. Yeah he jumps about as well as Davante Gardner did.
Quote from: Markusquette on March 28, 2025, 04:47:39 PMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rB9ZcNAfnI
Difficult to hear with all the gunfire in the background.
Darn you, Milwaukee!
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 04:52:38 PMYep. Yeah he jumps about as well as Davante Gardner did.
Ha! The guy Buzz described as "a really fat guy who can score".
He shot 38 percent inside, 52 percent free throws and zero from 3. He's got along way to go. First he has to get tougher, and stronger, played soft.
God Davante was the best
Cade will be a solid player his jr. and sr. years. He has shown in a very small sample size an ability and skillset that will provide MU with an inside presence we haven't had in a long time. An actual banger inside.
He won't be the star of the team, and his ceiling is not high, but I can envision him banging down low and getting buckets and posting up high and getting some assists. I really doubt it happens next year, but an 9/6/1.5 stat line would be very good production in 20 some minutes of game time.
Quote from: MU82 on March 28, 2025, 04:55:16 PMDifficult to hear with all the gunfire in the background.
Darn you, Milwaukee!
...says the guy from the Carolina's
Quote from: Viper on March 29, 2025, 10:06:52 AM...says the guy from the Carolina's
Downtown Milwaukee was gorgeous yesterday. Took a long walk around town. What a beautiful city. Feel bad for the people stuck in the burns whose only culture is Olive Garden
Didn't know where to post this but it's odd to me that scoop seems more active after the season than during it...
We are discussing back end of the rotation players fervently...
Hope springs eternal I suppose.
It's a long way until November
Quote from: DoctorV on March 29, 2025, 10:37:23 AMDidn't know where to post this but it's odd to me that scoop seems more active after the season than during it...
We are discussing back end of the rotation players fervently...
Hope springs eternal I suppose.
It's a long way until November
People love misery
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 28, 2025, 11:48:12 PMGod Davante was the best
Always was one of my favorite players. I believe he's still a big star in Japan.
Ibechillendoe
Quote from: warriorchick on March 29, 2025, 11:38:28 AMAlways was one of my favorite players. I believe he's still a big star in Japan.
That
huge smile as he went to the rim is unforgettable. And the way he so gently put the ball through the hoop. He always seemed like such a happy guy.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 12:20:56 PMThat huge smile as he went to the rim is unforgettable. And the way he so gently put the ball through the hoop. He always seemed like such a happy guy.
Softest touch in the mid west
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 10:16:51 AMDowntown Milwaukee was gorgeous yesterday. Took a long walk around town.
Just glad you survived what had to have been several murder attempts.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 10:16:51 AMDowntown Milwaukee was gorgeous yesterday. Took a long walk around town. What a beautiful city. Feel bad for the people stuck in the burns whose only culture is Olive Garden
yeah, that area around NML is top shelf. Clean & green, as we say on track days. Those life insurance agents got your back too. What is this Olive Garden you speak of? A garden, of olives?
Quote from: Viper on March 29, 2025, 04:16:21 PMyeah, that area around NML is top shelf. Clean & green, as we say on track days. Those life insurance agents got your back too. What is this Olive Garden you speak of? A garden, of olives?
Hard to believe people are afraid of Milwaukee. What I love most, is its diversity. Some people are terrified of diversity and people different than them. Most of it is rooted in ignorance, sadly.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 04:38:06 PMHard to believe people are afraid of Milwaukee. What I love most, is its diversity. Some people are terrified of diversity and people different than them. Most of it is rooted in ignorance, sadly.
I guess you weren't around a couple of years ago when a group of kids from a suburban high school decided that they were all going to take prom pictures at the Milwaukee Public Library and the parents were losing their minds, thinking that they were all going to get murdered.
Quote from: warriorchick on March 29, 2025, 04:58:29 PMI guess you weren't around a couple of years ago when a group of kids from a suburban high school decided that they were all going to take prom pictures at the Milwaukee Public Library and the parents were losing their minds, thinking that they were all going to get murdered.
SMDH
My wife and I left with one of our photographers to take pictures of just us down by the Art Museum (and in front of the Giannis mural, I got a keeper) after our wedding ceremony. While the photographer was taking some pictures of just my wife, an African American guy around my age and one younger came to the same spot with some photography gear. They told us to take all the time we needed and started talking a bit. It was an uncle and nephew taking the nephew's senior pictures. We chatted a bit, the uncle giving me some marriage advice (before telling me he really didn't know as he'd only been married for 6 months at that point 😅), said the nephew was going to MATC the next year, etc. He asked if he minded if he took a couple pictures of her. It was fun chatting with them for a bit. At one point the uncle said to the nephew "She look snappin don't she?" I think he was saying she looked good? But not 100% sure. But will always remember that from our wedding day.
Fellow Scoopers: Do NOT believe any of these alleged stories about downtown Milwaukee allegedly being OK!
2 out of 2 dentists surveyed say it's a dystopian hellscape, and anyone who goes there dies.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 04:38:06 PMHard to believe people are afraid of Milwaukee. What I love most, is its diversity. Some people are terrified of diversity and people different than them. Most of it is rooted in ignorance, sadly.
hey bro, where I live it's exclusively exclusive. Lots of coin. Fast cars. Big boats. Hot chicks. MU degree paid off. This garden of olives you speak of. I'm intrigued.
Quote from: Viper on March 29, 2025, 06:22:52 PMhey bro, where I live it's exclusively exclusive. Lots of coin. Fast cars. Big boats. Hot chicks. MU degree paid off. This garden of olives you speak of. I'm intrigued.
I think you're being serious.
No cap we need to shutter / repurpose libraries in this country. Huge wasted spend.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 29, 2025, 08:43:13 PMNo cap we need to shutter / repurpose libraries in this country. Huge wasted spend.
Tell Ben Franklin
We still talking about Amadou's transfer in this thread? Lol
Ama-who?
Quote from: DoctorV on March 29, 2025, 10:37:23 AMDidn't know where to post this but it's odd to me that scoop seems more active after the season than during it...
We are discussing back end of the rotation players fervently...
Hope springs eternal I suppose.
It's a long way until November
Yes there is always next year hoping things will change. And when they don't there is always next year. Wash, rinse,repeat. This year was Shakas weakest team since year 1. Even though this year was basically all Shakas guys, next year he fully owns it all. Good luck Shaka. You will need it.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 30, 2025, 06:19:29 AMYes there is always next year hoping things will change. And when they don't there is always next year. Wash, rinse,repeat. This year was Shakas weakest team since year 1. Even though this year was basically all Shakas guys, next year he fully owns it all. Good luck Shaka. You will need it.
It has truly been a horror for you having to watch these last four seasons. I hope you get the help you need to deal with the PTSD you no doubt suffered from having to endure all the tragedy.
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2025, 08:17:26 AMIt has truly been a horror for you having to watch these last four seasons. I hope you get the help you need to deal with the PTSD you no doubt suffered from having to endure all the tragedy.
Says the expert on horror.
When will Shaka speak? He hasn't spoken since the last loss. Its eerie.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on March 31, 2025, 06:56:17 AMWhen will Shaka speak? He hasn't spoken since the last loss. Its eerie.
He has laryngitis
He went to see Kolek play.
Quote from: Stretchdeltsig on March 31, 2025, 06:56:17 AMWhen will Shaka speak? He hasn't spoken since the last loss. Its eerie.
Does he usually after the end of the season?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 31, 2025, 09:02:00 AMWhat are we staying tuned for?
Yep, I'm about 99% sure Panda's prediction/guarantee that Sean Jones was hitting the portal was just pure nonsense. Especially after seeing Sean's IG post today. 8-)
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 31, 2025, 09:09:47 AMYep, I'm about 99% sure Panda's prediction/guarantee that Sean Jones was hitting the portal was just pure nonsense. Especially after seeing Sean's IG post today. 8-)
There's also a 99% chance he'll disappear instead of saying he was wrong or admitting he was full of sh*t.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 31, 2025, 09:09:47 AMYep, I'm about 99% sure Panda's prediction/guarantee that Sean Jones was hitting the portal was just pure nonsense. Especially after seeing Sean's IG post today. 8-)
Well he said "see you soon fiserv" so maybe Sean 2 NBA and he knows he's getting drafted by the bucks
Clearly he's joining the "We Them One's Comedy Tour" performing at the Fiserv on April 12th.
K1 and Stewie podcast said he's a jokester on the bench.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 31, 2025, 09:13:13 AMThere's also a 99% chance he'll disappear instead of saying he was wrong or admitting he was full of sh*t.
That'd work nicely.
The portal for message board denizens. Announce they are entering the portal and switching their allegiance to another team.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 31, 2025, 09:09:47 AMYep, I'm about 99% sure Panda's prediction/guarantee that Sean Jones was hitting the portal was just pure nonsense. Especially after seeing Sean's IG post today. 8-)
I thought there was a decent chance Sean would go portaling too, but appears that chance is now closer to zero.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 31, 2025, 11:19:11 AMI thought there was a decent chance Sean would go portaling too, but appears that chance is now closer to zero.
Is there a reason you thought this? Given his competition right now is a true Freshman and Tre (who has not developed at the pace we all would have wanted), I would have been quite surprised if Sean looked elsewhere.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 31, 2025, 11:22:20 AMIs there a reason you thought this? Given his competition right now is a true Freshman and Tre (who has not developed at the pace we all would have wanted), I would have been quite surprised if Sean looked elsewhere.
Honestly HIS decision to redshirt the rest of the year was odd. I know, others have said he just wasn't ready (including Shaka), but he was medically cleared, and it felt like bailing on the team for me. Also our play after that decision (1/6, for those wondering) wasn't great either.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 31, 2025, 11:19:11 AMI thought there was a decent chance Sean would go portaling too, but appears that chance is now closer to zero.
There's a difference between thinking a player may (or should) hit the portal versus alluding to having inside information that they will.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 31, 2025, 11:25:34 AMHonestly HIS decision to redshirt the rest of the year was odd. I know, others have said he just wasn't ready (including Shaka), but he was medically cleared, and it felt like bailing on the team for me. Also our play after that decision (1/6, for those wondering) wasn't great either.
That's fair. It was the old "Junior Cadougan" paradox. I see it as trading half a season of a reserve player for an extra season of starting, but I can understand your thought process. Thanks.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 31, 2025, 11:29:05 AMThat's fair. It was the old "Junior Cadougan" paradox. I see it as trading half a season of a reserve player for an extra season of starting, but I can understand your thought process. Thanks.
In today's cbball world that extra year as a starter is worth real money too.
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2025, 11:35:44 AMOw, you zinged me good there.
Not sure how you're going to recover from that devastating burn.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 31, 2025, 11:25:34 AMHonestly HIS decision to redshirt the rest of the year was odd. I know, others have said he just wasn't ready (including Shaka), but he was medically cleared, and it felt like bailing on the team for me. Also our play after that decision (1/6, for those wondering) wasn't great either.
Reported for Politics
Quote from: tower912 on March 31, 2025, 11:13:03 AMThe portal for message board denizens. Announce they are entering the portal and switching their allegiance to another team.
I believe that started when the underboard promised to launch their own site.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 31, 2025, 11:25:34 AMHonestly HIS decision to redshirt the rest of the year was odd. I know, others have said he just wasn't ready (including Shaka), but he was medically cleared, and it felt like bailing on the team for me. Also our play after that decision (1/6, for those wondering) wasn't great either.
Derrick Rose, 2013.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 31, 2025, 11:25:34 AMHonestly HIS decision to redshirt the rest of the year was odd. I know, others have said he just wasn't ready (including Shaka), but he was medically cleared, and it felt like bailing on the team for me. Also our play after that decision (1/6, for those wondering) wasn't great either.
Never felt that for a minute. Sean did what he felt was best for him. I am looking forward to seeing him play in the fall.
The timeline for Sean's return for the 24-25 season never worked for me. Rehab math vs season schedule math. I have little doubt he did not feel ready in early January. I have little doubt he felt ready to go by early March. From an eligibility standpoint, it just never added up.
Quote from: tower912 on March 31, 2025, 02:22:27 PMThe timeline for Sean's return for the 24-25 season never worked for me. Rehab math vs season schedule math. I have little doubt he did not feel ready in early January. I have little doubt he felt ready to go by early March. From an eligibility standpoint, it just never added up.
agreed. And if he's still a little reluctant to go all out, imo better served to start fresh this fall.
I'm also good with him not rushing back.
Don't want to risk a different injury because he's favoring his injured knee before he's mentally ready.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 31, 2025, 02:41:12 PMI'm also good with him not rushing back.
Don't want to risk a different injury because he's favoring his injured knee before he's mentally ready.
He owed it to Willie to come back.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 28, 2025, 11:11:26 AMStay tuned
Quote from: BM1090 on March 28, 2025, 03:07:42 PMAssume you'll give a full apology and say you were wrong when you turn out to be.
Where you at, bro?
Best of luck Al
https://x.com/dushawnlondon1/status/1907124156216312134?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on April 01, 2025, 12:34:37 PMBest of luck Al
https://x.com/dushawnlondon1/status/1907124156216312134?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Congrats but I don't get the lateral move to another mid major
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 01, 2025, 12:47:11 PMCongrats but I don't get the lateral move to another mid major
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April Fool's?
Quote from: BM1090 on March 31, 2025, 09:39:59 PMWhere you at, bro?
The vultures are out. Enjoy your day in the sun folks.
Ultimately, I chose to share a tidbit from a source who each of you would've have had no choice but to trust. Sean was evaluating his options but ultimately chose to return. It is very telling he is the only player on the team to announce his return.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 07:31:18 PMThe vultures are out. Enjoy your day in the sun folks.
Ultimately, I chose to share a tidbit from a source who each of you would've have had no choice but to trust. Sean was evaluating his options but ultimately chose to return. It is very telling he is the only player on the team to announce his return.
😂😂😂😂
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 07:31:18 PMThe vultures are out. Enjoy your day in the sun folks.
Ultimately, I chose to share a tidbit from a source who each of you would've have had no choice but to trust. Sean was evaluating his options but ultimately chose to return. It is very telling he is the only player on the team to announce his return.
Very telling. So is your BS source.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 01, 2025, 07:52:36 PMVery telling. So is your BS source.
Not bs at all - I will ask again, if there was never a doubt about his decision, why would he announce his return?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 08:02:45 PMNot bs at all - I will ask again, if there was never a doubt about his decision, why would he announce his return?
You never said he was considering it. You implied the decision was already made.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 08:02:45 PMNot bs at all - I will ask again, if there was never a doubt about his decision, why would he announce his return?
Did he "announce it?" Or did he just make a social media post like thousands of college athletes do?
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 01, 2025, 07:52:36 PMVery telling. So is your BS source.
Not bs at all - I will ask again, if there was never a doubt about his decision, why would he announce his return?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2025, 08:04:12 PMYou never said he was considering it. You implied the decision was already made.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2025, 08:04:12 PMYou never said he was considering it. You implied the decision was already made.
I understood that was the case from my highly reliable source.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2025, 08:08:35 PMDid he "announce it?" Or did he just make a social media post like thousands of college athletes do?
He announced it on social media.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 08:09:17 PMNot bs at all - I will ask again, if there was never a doubt about his decision, why would he announce his return?
I understood that was the case from my highly reliable source.
Yes. Highly reliable.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 08:02:45 PMNot bs at all - I will ask again, if there was never a doubt about his decision, why would he announce his return?
Why would he announce a return if he never announced a departure?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2025, 08:10:57 PMYes. Highly reliable.
Feel free to dm me to discuss further
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 07:31:18 PMThe vultures are out. Enjoy your day in the sun folks.
Ultimately, I chose to share a tidbit from a source who each of you would've have had no choice but to trust. Sean was evaluating his options but ultimately chose to return. It is very telling he is the only player on the team to announce his return.
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As I said...
Quote from: withoutbias on March 11, 2025, 08:47:41 PMMaybe SJ transfers, but panda doesn't know sh1t.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 08:16:22 PM🤡
I will take that jab from everyone regarding this circumstance except you.
Your arrogance is second to only your lack of intelligence.
You said he was " gone" not " evaluating his options" lol
Bye bye
Quote from: MuMark on April 01, 2025, 08:20:46 PMYou said he was " gone" not " evaluating his options" lol
Bye bye
You win some you lose some
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 08:19:00 PMI will take that jab from everyone regarding this circumstance except you.
Your arrogance is second to only your lack of intelligence.
You're projecting.
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Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 08:22:55 PMYou're projecting.
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No I'm not. I came here hat in hand to accept my mistake. More character than you'll ever show.
Well damn. There goes MU's opportunity to go portaling. Had to drop the entire bag to keep Sean around. ...sign...maybe next year.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 08:12:54 PMFeel free to dm me to discuss further
lol. To get more bad info? Nah. I'm good.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2025, 08:33:14 PMlol. To get more bad info? Nah. I'm good.
That is your choice. I understand your decision
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 08:30:08 PMNo I'm not. I came here hat in hand to accept my mistake. More character than you'll ever show.
😂
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 08:40:40 PMFeel free to keep proving my point
You're the only one that looks arrogant and foolish here.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 09:07:02 PMYou're the only one that looks arrogant and foolish here.
Quite the contrary - I'm taking my licks and coming here with hat in hand.
Let's face it, the most NIL money was going to be from MU. Kid has not played for almost 2 years, what coach would give Jones a pile of money, maybe after next year if he has a great year. Do not see him ever being a NBA player, so money has to be important. It's obvious MU pays there players well enough to stay in the program.
Hoping panda3.0 is greatly improved from 2.0
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 07:31:18 PMThe vultures are out. Enjoy your day in the sun folks.
Ultimately, I chose to share a tidbit from a source who each of you would've have had no choice but to trust. Sean was evaluating his options but ultimately chose to return. It is very telling he is the only player on the team to announce his return.
I think all this could be true. The problem is you said he was gone. Considering, in the portal, and gone are three different things. He was never in the portal.
And if you have good info, keep sharing it. Just present it rationally.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 01, 2025, 09:58:19 PMHoping panda3.0 is greatly improved from 2.0
Panda 3.0 is transferring.
#donedeal
Quote from: Jables1604 on April 01, 2025, 10:56:43 PMPanda 3.0 is transferring.
#donedeal
"A tidbit from a source who each of you have have no choice but to trust" says his destination is a major drop in quality level — Scoop 2 dodds.
#iamthesource
#Pander3.0
"Give your crew 4 black eyes like 2 pandas"
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 09:07:49 PMQuite the contrary - I'm taking my licks and coming here with hat in hand.
So did your high-quality source tell you anything other than "he's gone"? What else can you share?
And can that person tell you more details around why Sean stayed (and no - I don't think "Marquette decided to pay more" is a sufficient answer).
There's really very little reason for anyone here to think you have any credibility at this point so why not share some additional details?
I get panda getting excited to share news they thought they could trust. Most the time when people do that on this board they get ridiculed and even more so when it doesn't come true (heck even when it does the ridiculers never are expected to own up to their faults)
But that said Panda it's weird to double down on this after it's shown to be off. There's gotta be a tiny bit more explanation, realization that you jumps the gun/misinterpreted the verbiage on the message (considering leaving vs gone) not claiming "it's telling he was the only person to announce he's returning" when that's not even what happened is odd.
TAMU said that Ben broke a finger in the first Villanova game. Which directly correlated to his 4 week slump. He dm'd me with the best possible source when asked. That was ignored.
Panda had a hot take that proved incorrect. He won't be the last.
It's always best to hedge your hot takes. "Hey I hear Sean may be looking around."
Acting like its an absolute, especially in today's world of college athletics, is pretty foolish.
Al "Sean Jones" Amadou has transferred.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 02, 2025, 08:23:56 AMAl "Sean Jones" Amadou has transferred.
But do you have a source you can trust?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 02, 2025, 08:58:18 AMBut do you have a source you can trust?
Yes. #Iamthesource
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2025, 08:22:18 AMIt's always best to hedge your hot takes. "Hey I hear Sean may be looking around."
Acting like its an absolute, especially in today's world of college athletics, is pretty foolish.
Yes and don't get all defensive when people doubt your information. Just present is I've heard this...I trust the source.....if people don't believe you.....say " fine ...just sharing what I've heard and I trust the source"
I rarely get inside info.......when Marquette was recruiting Luke Fischer in high school I had some......posted that I had a source that told me Marquette was the leader for Luke at that time. That information ultimately changed after he visited Indiana. I posted that to.
My source? An assistant coach for his high school team( Germantown).
If you're going to posts absolutes........you better be right.....especially about transfers.
Guys thinking about transfers......especially in this day and age isn't a "scoop" ........it's happened with almost every player at one time or another.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 08:30:08 PMNo I'm not. I came here hat in hand to accept my mistake. More character than you'll ever show.
If by "accept my mistake" you mean blame someone else yet still insist you were actually correct, then sure.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 01, 2025, 08:09:17 PMNot bs at all - I will ask again, if there was never a doubt about his decision, why would he announce his return?
I understood that was the case from my highly reliable source.
You trusted someone who didn't know anything, and you're going to continue calling them highly reliable.
Character revealed!
I think Sean saying to Stevens " see you soon " is about as official as it gets
https://www.instagram.com/p/DH9Iqg8RCJQ/?igsh=eHh1NGYyc2lxcm8=
Quote from: MuMark on April 02, 2025, 03:40:31 PMI think Sean saying to Stevens " see you soon " is about as official as it gets
https://www.instagram.com/p/DH9Iqg8RCJQ/?igsh=eHh1NGYyc2lxcm8=
Cripes. Now Stevens decommitted?!?!
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 02, 2025, 02:12:14 PMYou trusted someone who didn't know anything, and you're going to continue calling them highly reliable.
Character revealed!
He knows more than you'll ever know
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on April 02, 2025, 12:05:31 PMIf by "accept my mistake" you mean blame someone else yet still insist you were actually correct, then sure.
No blame being thrown around by ole panda
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 02, 2025, 07:52:18 AMSo did your high-quality source tell you anything other than "he's gone"? What else can you share?
And can that person tell you more details around why Sean stayed (and no - I don't think "Marquette decided to pay more" is a sufficient answer).
There's really very little reason for anyone here to think you have any credibility at this point so why not share some additional details?
Feel free to dm me
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 02, 2025, 05:18:42 PMHe knows more than you'll ever know
I sincerely doubt that, but go off!
And I don't think Sean's mom would have posted this if he was leaving
https://x.com/Aries_Sherrie/status/1907421351532474761
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 02, 2025, 05:18:42 PMHe knows more than you'll ever know
Bold statement for a bogus post about a transfer.
Clearly he's headed to DEPT. U.
Quote from: warriorchick on April 02, 2025, 05:44:41 PMAnd I don't think Sean's mom would have posted this if he was leaving
https://x.com/Aries_Sherrie/status/1907421351532474761
Blue and gold for Michigan University? That would be an interesting destination but Dusty May is a good coach.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 02, 2025, 05:48:52 PMBold statement for a bogus post about a transfer.
Not bogus
Quote from: warriorchick on April 02, 2025, 05:44:41 PMAnd I don't think Sean's mom would have posted this if he was leaving
https://x.com/Aries_Sherrie/status/1907421351532474761
Or this?
https://x.com/aries_sherrie/status/1906701479785726079?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on April 02, 2025, 07:02:02 PMOr this?
https://x.com/aries_sherrie/status/1906701479785726079?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Smoke and mirrors!!!
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2025, 07:06:34 PMI mean, it kinda was.
It was ultimately wrong, not bogus. Bogus implies I made it up which is not true.
I see Jolp cut his hair to start a new chapter
Quote from: Markusquette on April 02, 2025, 11:11:45 PMI see Jolp cut his hair to start a new chapter
Someone should get Ben a barber
Quote from: Markusquette on April 02, 2025, 11:11:45 PMI see Jolp cut his hair to start a new chapter
I assume all the guys that aren't in the pic are writing a letter and will be entering the portal shortly.