BIG EAST Statement on NCAA Tournament Selections (https://www.bigeast.com/news/2024/3/18/mens-basketball-big-east-statement-on-ncaa-tournament-selections.aspx) – BigEast.com – March 18,
2024QuoteWe are very proud that UConn earned the No. 1 overall seed in this year's NCAA men's basketball tournament following another tremendous season that included both the Big East regular season and tournament titles. Marquette, a No. 2 seed, and Creighton, a No. 3 seed, give the Big East three of the top 10 overall seeds in the tournament, as many as any other league. We consider each of them legitimate contenders for a Final Four berth and another Big East national crown on April 8th.
2024 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_tournament) – Wikipedia
QuoteRecord by conference
Overview of conference performance in the 2024 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament
Conference Bids Record Win % R64 R32 S16
Atlantic Coast 5 12–5 .705 4 4 4
Big East 3 10–2 .833 3 3 3
Big Ten 6 10–6 .625 6 4 2
Southeastern 8 8–8 .500 8 3 2
Big 12 8 7–8 .467 8 5 2
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Five BIG EAST Men's Basketball Teams to Compete in NCAA Tournament (https://www.bigeast.com/news/2025/3/18/five-big-east-mens-basketball-teams-to-compete-in-ncaa-tournament.aspx) – BigEast.com – March 18,
20252025 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_tournament) – Wikipedia
QuoteRecord by conference
Overview of conference performance in the 2025 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament
Conference Bids Record Win % R64 R32 S16
Southeastern 14 15–7 .682 13 8 7
Big 12 7 11–3 .786 7 6 4
Big Ten 8 12–4 .750 8 8 4
Atlantic Coast 4 3–3 .500 4 1 1
Big East 5 4–5 .444 5 3 0
Big East men's NCAA Tournament update: It was fun while it lasted (https://www.theuconnblog.com/2025/3/24/24393026/big-east-mens-ncaa-tournament-update-st-johns-creighton) – SB Nation – March 24, 2025, 8:17pm EDT
QuoteThe Big East got five bids to the NCAA Tournament and none made it out of the first weekend.
The NCAA Tournament that we all used to enjoy is officially dead. With no limits on the NIL money that P4 basketball programs can funnel to college scholar athletes, 27 of the 31 NCAA Division I basketball conferences will inevitably become 'the minor leagues', feeding the major leagues. The Big East should remain the top
AAA conference for the foreseeable future, but that's a big step down from the Big East's glory days.
Any way you slice it, the 2025 NCAA Tournament was a PR disaster for the Big East.
Not all of us can be good enough for the NIT. Like Dayton.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on March 24, 2025, 08:40:15 PMBIG EAST Statement on NCAA Tournament Selections (https://www.bigeast.com/news/2024/3/18/mens-basketball-big-east-statement-on-ncaa-tournament-selections.aspx) – BigEast.com – March 18, 2024
2024 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_tournament) – Wikipedia
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Five BIG EAST Men's Basketball Teams to Compete in NCAA Tournament (https://www.bigeast.com/news/2025/3/18/five-big-east-mens-basketball-teams-to-compete-in-ncaa-tournament.aspx) – BigEast.com – March 18, 2025
2025 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_tournament) – Wikipedia
Big East men's NCAA Tournament update: It was fun while it lasted (https://www.theuconnblog.com/2025/3/24/24393026/big-east-mens-ncaa-tournament-update-st-johns-creighton) – SB Nation – March 24, 2025, 8:17pm EDT
The NCAA Tournament that we all used to enjoy is officially dead.
With no limits on the NIL money that P4 basketball programs can funnel to college scholar athletes, 27 of the 31 NCAA Division I basketball conferences will inevitably become 'the minor leagues', feeding the major leagues. The Big East should remain the top AAA conference for the foreseeable future, but that's a big step down from the Big East's glory days.
Any way you slice it, the 2025 NCAA Tournament was a PR disaster for the Big East.
A PR disaster for the Big East? 😂😂😂😂
Lol dude. Nobody gives a fugg about what Dayton or A10 fans use to make themselves feel better about themselves. If you think the ACC has separated themselves along with the other 3 football conferences from the BE and everyone else you're not as smart as you pretend to be. I can't imagine being so insecure with myself.
Regale us with tales of deep runs by the Flyers.
And yes, MU was responsible for COVID just to keep Dayton from having their first decent run since 67.
I believe Marquette beat Purdue, Wisconsin, and Maryland this year. They are from the big 10, from what I understand.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 24, 2025, 08:51:36 PMNobody gives a fugg about Dayton or A10 fans ...
I agree. The thread topic has absolutely nothing to do with Dayton nor the A10.
Do your honestly think that the P4 head coaches (who are competing against Big East coaches) for top-quality transfers and HS recruits are
not going to refer to the Big East as a 'lesser' conference going forward?
The A-10 is the new JUCO.
Since I don't have patience for FF posts( tl;dr), I asked AI for a summary. It said:
Big East excelled in 2024 (3 teams, Sweet 16), flopped in 2025 (5 teams, none past second round). NIL changes threaten conference's future.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on March 24, 2025, 09:03:13 PMI agree. The thread topic has absolutely nothing to do with Dayton nor the A10.
Do your honestly think that the P4 head coaches (who are competing against Big East coaches) for top-quality transfers and HS recruits are not going to refer to the Big East as a 'lesser' conference going forward?
Yes I think that. If their recruiting pitch is "we're better than the Big East!" They'll probably be losing a lot of recruiting battles.
Like I said, if Dayton/A10 fans sleep better at night because the BE had a down year, we all congratulate you.
Serious question. Why do you post here? You're a Dayton fan. MU fans care about you the one day a year we play you every 15 years or so on average. If any MU fans are going on Dayton websites telling Dayton their program is in trouble and their conference is collapsing they are a complete loser. Or if MU fans are doing that on B1G message boards they are completely losers.
Anyway, thanks for notifying us that we're effed. I can now stop caring about MU basketball. Appreciate you!
Genuinely curious why Dayton of all schools has such bizarrely behaving fans. No history, no recent major success. Why is it that I always see insane ramblings from their fans on both this board(???)and Twitter? What's in the water down there?
Dayton fans have the biggest inferiority complex, it's unreal. Hilarious, really.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on March 24, 2025, 08:40:15 PMBIG EAST Statement on NCAA Tournament Selections (https://www.bigeast.com/news/2024/3/18/mens-basketball-big-east-statement-on-ncaa-tournament-selections.aspx) – BigEast.com – March 18, 2024
2024 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2024_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_tournament) – Wikipedia
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Five BIG EAST Men's Basketball Teams to Compete in NCAA Tournament (https://www.bigeast.com/news/2025/3/18/five-big-east-mens-basketball-teams-to-compete-in-ncaa-tournament.aspx) – BigEast.com – March 18, 2025
2025 NCAA Division I men's basketball tournament (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_NCAA_Division_I_men%27s_basketball_tournament) – Wikipedia
Big East men's NCAA Tournament update: It was fun while it lasted (https://www.theuconnblog.com/2025/3/24/24393026/big-east-mens-ncaa-tournament-update-st-johns-creighton) – SB Nation – March 24, 2025, 8:17pm EDT
The NCAA Tournament that we all used to enjoy is officially dead.
With no limits on the NIL money that P4 basketball programs can funnel to college scholar athletes, 27 of the 31 NCAA Division I basketball conferences will inevitably become 'the minor leagues', feeding the major leagues. The Big East should remain the top AAA conference for the foreseeable future, but that's a big step down from the Big East's glory days.
Any way you slice it, the 2025 NCAA Tournament was a PR disaster for the Big East.
No one asked.
Dayton sucks
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 24, 2025, 09:48:23 PMSince I don't have patience for FF posts( tl;dr), I asked AI for a summary. It said:
Big East excelled in 2024 (3 teams, Sweet 16), flopped in 2025 (5 teams, none past second round). NIL changes threaten conference's future.
If you want to follow it up with a "banned-no one cares about your constant ramblings" it would be a public service.
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Quote from: Tha Hound on March 24, 2025, 10:16:17 PMGenuinely curious why Dayton of all schools has such bizarrely behaving fans. No history, no recent major success. Why is it that I always see insane ramblings from their fans on both this board(???)and Twitter? What's in the water down there?
They have similar behavior as Providence fans yet with different intentions.
Providence fans act this way just to troll. Dayton fans actually believe it.
Holy unnatural carnal knowledge man. We know Dayton and all of Ohio is a completely miserable place to live a life, but this is what you're resorting to?
You realize if you want to compare conferences from 2024-2025 it's actually:
SEC
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Big Ten
Big 12
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Big East
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ACC
MWC
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WCC
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A10
CUSA
AAC
MVC
You're not even bottom of the barrel. The A10 is nothing, it's a feeder conference to the big leagues. It's because Dayton surrounds themselves with like-minded mid-majors that have absolutely no idea what sustained success is because Dayton fucking sucks. That's why no one gave Dayton a thought when the Big East reformed itself into the most stable conference in America. The Big East knew Dayton was trash, is trash, has trash fans and will always be trash. I'm sorry, that's just what you have to deal with. I mean, even Buffalo Wild Wings made fun of Dayton in that "Expanded Tournament" commercial from way back.
Anyone. But. Dayton. Say it out loud everyone.
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Quote from: tower912 on March 24, 2025, 09:06:23 PMThe A-10 is the new JUCO.
No cigar for that post.
NET - Conference Rankings (https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2025/net-conference)- WarrenNolan.com
MAJOR LEAGUE
SEC
Big Ten
Big 12
ACC
AAA
Big East
Mountain West
Atlantic 10
Conference USA
West Coast
Missouri Valley
American Athletic
Big West
Ivy League
AA
Southern
Western Athletic
The Summit League
Coastal
Big South
Horizon League
Sun Belt
A
Big Sky
Southland
Mid-American
ASUN
America East
MAAC
Patriot League
Ohio Valley
MEAC
Northeast
SWAC
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on March 24, 2025, 08:40:15 PMWith no limits on the NIL money that P4 basketball programs can funnel to college scholar athletes, 27 of the 31 NCAA Division I basketball conferences will inevitably become 'the minor leagues', feeding the major leagues. The Big East should remain the top AAA conference for the foreseeable future, but that's a big step down from the Big East's glory days.
Any way you slice it, the 2025 NCAA Tournament was a PR disaster for the Big East.
How did the A10 do again with their ONE bid, which seems to be the norm for them recently?
The BE is poised to be at an advantage when it comes to House and revenue sharing considering they do not have to share the overwhelming amount of the money with football:
The House settlement could ensure that trend continues, or even blossoms. Power conference schools are expected to pay football programs 75% of the $20.5 million pool. Take Texas Tech's reported breakdown: 74% to the football team, 17% to 18% to the men's basketball team, 2% to the women's basketball team, 1.8% to baseball, and the rest to other sports. That leaves less than $4 million for the men's program recruiting opportunities, and only $410,000 for the women's. Meanwhile, schools without football programs can pour more of their resources into hoops—potentially enticing recruits away from power conference schools and building on their existing success. And because of a revenue-sharing cap, basketball-only schools don't even have to offer all $20.5 million to be competitive if they can't afford it. If a Big East program, for example, can afford only $10 million in revenue sharing, it can still pay its men's and women's basketball players more than its power conference counterparts. https://frontofficesports.com/basketball-only-schools-could-see-power-surge-after-house-settlement-approval/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Power%20Surge%20for%20Hoops-Only%20Schools&utm_content=Power%20Surge%20for%20Hoops-Only%20Schools+CID_871b5a3573b4ffd7514b74c089277bd6&utm_source=FOS%20Daily%20Newsletter&utm_term=Basketball-Only%20Schools%20Could%20See%20Power%20Surge%20After%20House%20Settlement%20Approval
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on March 25, 2025, 10:11:32 AMNo cigar for that post.
NET - Conference Rankings (https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2025/net-conference)- WarrenNolan.com
Shut it down guys, Warren Nolan has spoken!
Let's just ignore the NET I guess. (which is what you and Warren are using) And the old RPI system.
The BEAST is 4th.
Honestly, are you stupid? (Rocky, you gotta let this go)
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on March 25, 2025, 10:11:32 AMNo cigar for that post.
NET - Conference Rankings (https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2025/net-conference)- WarrenNolan.com
MAJOR LEAGUE
SEC
Big Ten
Big 12
ACC
AAA
Big East
Mountain West
Atlantic 10
Conference USA
West Coast
Missouri Valley
American Athletic
Big West
Ivy League
AA
Southern
Western Athletic
The Summit League
Coastal
Big South
Horizon League
Sun Belt
A
Big Sky
Southland
Mid-American
ASUN
America East
MAAC
Patriot League
Ohio Valley
MEAC
Northeast
SWAC
Guy comes here pretending to be some superior basketball knowledge and has to use warrennolan.com. Maybe pay for a KenPom subscription if you want to sound intelligent.
Then again, you're a Dayton fan so checks out.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 10:14:17 AMShut it down guys, Warren Nolan has spoken!
I was wondering who was keeping Warren Nolan around, Dayton fans make perfect sense. 15 years behind the times and always behind the times.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2025, 10:16:56 AMGuy comes here pretending to be some superior basketball knowledge and has to use warrennolan.com. Maybe pay for a KenPom subscription if you want to sound intelligent.
Then again, you're a Dayton fan so checks out.
T-Rank is free as well, but why upgrade to a 2005 Cavalier when the 1994 is still running strong.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on March 24, 2025, 09:03:13 PMThe thread topic has absolutely nothing to do with Dayton nor the A10. [Post# 5 above]
Yet, you still persist in talking about Dayton on this thread, so I'm going to tell you a story that is highly relevant to the Big East Conference. I'll start by introducing you to
Koby Brea – a totally unknown, unscouted, unrahked high school senior five years ago, who received only one Division I basketball scholarship offer – from Coach Anthony Grant.
Koby Brea Recruiting Profile (HS Class of 2020) (https://247sports.com/player/koby-brea-46148991/high-school-313381/) – 247 Sports
Koby Brea Bio (https://daytonflyers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/koby-brea/14230) – Dayton Flyers official website
Quote 2023-24 (R-Junior)
• Named A-10 Sixth Man of the Year for the second time. Only the second two-time A-10 Sixth Man ever.
• Led the nation in 3-pt. FG% (.498, 100-201); It was the highest mark in the NCAA in six years
Koby rarely, if ever, was in the Flyers' starting line-up during his injury-plagued four seasons at Dayton. His injuries hampered his lateral movement, so he was a defensive liability, but kept working to improve his strength and mobility.
Last summer it was learned (from multiple sources in UD's wealthy benefactor / NIL syndicate) that the Kentucky's wealthy benefactor / NIL syndicate had offered Koby $1 million to play is fifth season at Kentucky. Dayton's NIL syndicate (not nearly as rich as Kentucky's) coulf only come up with $500,000 fo the 2024-25 season, so they wished Koby well, as he now had a fiancée and child to support.
Kentucky Lands Koby Brea; Dayton Transfer Considered Duke, UNC, More (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10119445-kentucky-lands-koby-brea-dayton-transfer-considered-duke-unc-more) – Bleacher Report – May 2, 2024
QuoteBrea is coming off a historic shooting season for the Flyers. Per ESPN's Jonathan Givony, he became the fourth player in college basketball history to make 100 three-pointers while connecting on 50 percent of his attempts, joining Salim Stoudamire (2005), Mike Iuzzolino (1991) and Steve Kerr (1988).
Givony noted that Brea chose the Wildcats over a long list of suitors that included Duke, North Carolina, Kansas and back-to-back reigning national champion UConn.
Koby Brea Bio (https://ukathletics.com/sports/mbball/roster/player/koby-brea/) – Kentucky Wildcats official website
Koby Brea Career Stats (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/4591259/koby-brea) – ESPN – updated March 24, 2025
As things turned out, Kentucky is getting their money's worth:
#6 Illinois Fighting Illini 86, # 11 Xavier Musketeers 73 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401746015) – ESPN Box Score – March , 2025
#3 Kentucky Wildcats 84, #6 Illinois Fighting Illini 75 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401746048) – ESPN Box Score – March 24, 2025
#3 Kentucky Wildcats 84, #6 Illinois Fighting Illini 75 – ESPN Game Recap – March 24, 2025
(https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap/_/gameId/401746048)
QuoteKoby Brea leads the way as Kentucky beats Illinois 84-75 for first Sweet 16 appearance since 2019
Quote The Wildcats didn't return a single scholarship player from last season. Pope added nine transfers from programs that generally lacked Kentucky's history or stature. Koby Brea, a fifth-year senior who spent his first four seasons at Dayton, shot 10 of 16 from the floor and scored 10 straight Kentucky points during one second-half stretch.
The moral of this story is highly relevant to the Big East conference, as well as the other triple-A conferences:
If P4 programs such as Kentucky can afford to pay $1 million per season for a Dayton Flyers' reserve player, they can afford to buy most players on Big East rosters, and the situation will only become worse in the future, as the P4 conferences are widening the gap over triple-A conferences in both the accumulation of NCAA Tournament 'credits' for wins, and the value of TV media rights contracts between the P4 conferences and triple-A conferences is widening each year. They're going to have a lot of money to spend in the years ahead, and that's a direct threat to Big East and the other triple-A conferences. [/quote]
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/THcAAOSwsFJeF6he/s-l1600.webp)
Koby Brea is now an NBA Draft prospect (https://www.aseaofblue.com/2025/2/13/24364442/nba-mock-draft-2025-uk-basketball-koby-brea-cleveland-cavaliers#:~:text=Brea%20is%20averaging%2010.8%20points,as%20a%20top%20draft%20prospect.) – SB Nation – February 13, 2025
Quote Brea made the cut in ESPN's updated mock draft
Koby Brea has taken his game to a new level this season. Having spent four seasons at Dayton prior to joining the Kentucky Wildcats under the leadership of Mark Pope, Brea was a two-time A-10 Sixth Man of the Year.
He consistently impressed, but going from the Sixth Man of the Year in the A-10 to a key piece of a potentially championship-contending Kentucky team is not a small feat. Brea's game, especially as a passer and defender, have improved drastically.
He has continued what he's known for, too — his red-hot shooting, and Pope has also praised his defense multiple times this season. Despite that, Brea, who is 22 years old, hasn't been ranked as a top draft prospect.
Well, his recent performances might be changing that script. In an updated mock draft by ESPN's Jeremy Woo and Jonathan Givony, Brea came in at No. 58, being taken by the Cleveland Cavaliers.
2025 NBA mock draft: Pick projections ahead of March Madness (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/44206848/2025-nba-mock-draft-pick-projections-march-madness-tre-johnson-derick-queen-cooper-flagg) – ESPN – updated March 13, 2025
Quote58. Houston Rockets (Oklahoma City): Koby Brea, SG/SF, Kentucky, super senior
no one asked.
I'm not going to take the time to read that but rather continue laughing at you.
I'm very happy for Koby Brea, sounds like Dayton was holding him back. Access to better medical facilities and treatment goes a long way.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on March 25, 2025, 10:20:23 AMYet, you still persist in talking about Dayton on this thread, so I'm going to tell you a story that is highly relevant to the Big East Conference. I'll start by introducing you to Koby Brea – a totally unknown, unscouted, unrahked high school senior five years ago, who received only one Division I basketball scholarship offer – from Coach Anthony Grant.
Koby Brea Recruiting Profile (HS Class of 2020) (https://247sports.com/player/koby-brea-46148991/high-school-313381/) – 247 Sports
Koby Brea Bio (https://daytonflyers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/koby-brea/14230) – Dayton Flyers official website
Koby rarely, if ever, was in the Flyers' starting line-up during his injury-plagued four seasons at Dayton. His injuries hampered his lateral movement, so he was a defensive liability, but kept working to improve his strength and mobility.
Last summer it was learned (from multiple sources in UD's wealthy benefactor / NIL syndicate) that the Kentucky's wealthy benefactor / NIL syndicate had offered Koby $1 million to play is fifth season at Kentucky. Dayton's NIL syndicate (not nearly as rich as Kentucky's) coulf only come up with $500,000 fo the 2024-25 season, so they wished Koby well, as he now had a fiancée and child to support.
Kentucky Lands Koby Brea; Dayton Transfer Considered Duke, UNC, More (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10119445-kentucky-lands-koby-brea-dayton-transfer-considered-duke-unc-more) – Bleacher Report – May 2, 2024
Koby Brea Bio (https://ukathletics.com/sports/mbball/roster/player/koby-brea/) – Kentucky Wildcats official website
Koby Brea Career Stats (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/4591259/koby-brea) – ESPN – updated March 24, 2025
As things turned out, Kentucky is getting their money's worth:
#6 Illinois Fighting Illini 86, # 11 Xavier Musketeers 73 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401746015) – ESPN Box Score – March , 2025
#3 Kentucky Wildcats 84, #6 Illinois Fighting Illini 75 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401746048) – ESPN Box Score – March 24, 2025
#3 Kentucky Wildcats 84, #6 Illinois Fighting Illini 75 – ESPN Game Recap – March 24, 2025
The moral of this story is highly relevant to the Big East conference, as well as the other triple-A conferences:
If P4 programs such as Kentucky can afford to pay $1 million per season for a Dayton Flyers' reserve player, they can afford to buy most players on Big East rosters, and the situation will only become worse in the future, as the P4 conferences are widening the gap over triple-A conferences in both the accumulation of NCAA Tournament 'credits' for wins, and the value of TV media rights contracts between the P4 conferences and triple-A conferences is widening each year. They're going to have a lot of money to spend in the years ahead, and that's a direct threat to Big East and the other triple-A conferences.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/THcAAOSwsFJeF6he/s-l1600.webp)
(https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap/_/gameId/401746048)Koby Brea is now an NBA Draft prospect (https://www.aseaofblue.com/2025/2/13/24364442/nba-mock-draft-2025-uk-basketball-koby-brea-cleveland-cavaliers#:~:text=Brea%20is%20averaging%2010.8%20points,as%20a%20top%20draft%20prospect.) – SB Nation – February 13, 2025
2025 NBA mock draft: Pick projections ahead of March Madness (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/44206848/2025-nba-mock-draft-pick-projections-march-madness-tre-johnson-derick-queen-cooper-flagg)– ESPN – updated March 13, 2025
i ain't reading all that. im happy for you tho, or sorry that happened. (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap/_/gameId/401746048)
Quote from: 🏀 on March 25, 2025, 10:19:45 AMT-Rank is free as well, but why upgrade to a 2005 Cavalier when the 1994 is still running strong.
Good point.
Here's a free link for our Dayton friend. ACC is the Big Leagues and we're effed.
https://barttorvik.com/?year=2025&sort=&hteam=&t2value=&conlimit=All&state=All&conyes=1&begin=20241101&end=20250501&top=0&revquad=0&quad=5&venue=All&type=All&mingames=0#
@Fieldhouse Flyer what made you choose that image of money? So many good options out there and you chose a computer generated "Cash Money Stack Glossy Poster" from e-bay.
Not sure I can trust your judgement.
Same fanbase that provided us with these beauts. Will Dayton fans continue telling Marquette fans the Big East is effed? Someday they'll be right, right?
Quote from: UDPride on September 12, 2012, 03:14:17 PMI can tell you from the A10's perspective, those institutions are not going anywhere -- namely Xavier, Dayton, St. Louis, Butler, St. Joe, etc. The league just expanded with Butler and VCU and is the best basketball only league in the country.
There is zero incentive for some of those schools to pick up and leave the complete security, certainty, and future of the A10, for some half-baked new conference in a new world order of college athletics that has exit fees, entrance fees, unknown certainty, unknown security, new rivals, new geographies, new travel partners, no TV package, and no automatic postseason NCAA bid.
The A10 members are exactly where they want to be. They are ALREADY in a good, stable, secure basketball conference with 100% security. The postseason tourney is moving to the Barclays Center in Brooklyn this season. Everything about the league is on the up-tick. It is a destination league for basketball schools -- not an exit platform. The only schools leaving are those with grandiose, half-baked plans for BCS football.
Furthermore, the A10 doesn't even need to expand. They are going to be at 14 teams when the smoke clears from Charlotte and Temple. Going to 16 is not a priority or even likely a roundtable agenda item. The only way Marquette or DePaul associates with A10 basketball schools is if they beg for mercy and the A10 sends them an invitation. The BE hoops schools are no longer driving this train; they are in the caboose at the mercy of everyone else. They lost all of their leverage because they held on to football money for far too long. The time to get out was about five years ago. That window has passed because other conferences have been proactive to improve their own situations and lock in their future identities.
Fans thinking they can just break from the BE football schools and "the A10 brand schools will follow us" are over-reaching. Marquette and DePaul simply dont have the leverage anymore. Your name alone does not trump conference security -- and the A10 already has that. The A10 will never be the Big East of 5 years ago, but nothing ever will. But it doesnt have to be. The thing about A10 schools is they've never tried to be something they aren't. While it may have cost them in terms of money and prestige over the last 10 years, it's paying off now because most members have always had the same goals in mind. Everyone was rowing in the same direction.
There is a lot of loyalty among member basketball institutions of the A10. Even among the haves and have-nots. Based on performance, Fordham or Duquesne or LaSalle could have been kicked out years ago. But the conference values the relationships and sees the league as being in it together. You have members with 13,000-seat arenas and 3,000-seat Arenas. So you can also put away the idea that the A10 will kick a couple bottomfeeders out to make room for new members. No A10 school will be asked or even encouraged to leave. If they leave, it will be of their own doing. And that's unlikely in the near future.
Having said all of this, I dont think BE basketball schools do much until Louisville and UC decide what to do. Louisville has already publicly stated they want out. UC will follow in their shadow (or attempt to). The Big East is a giant fustercluck however. You have teams spread all over the country, abysmal scheduling issues and odd travel and travel partners, fewer and fewer historical rivalries, fractured fan bases from different geographies with little or nothing in common, and two completely different sets of academic and spiritual values trying to homogenize. You have small private catholic schools trying to assimilate with large state schools attempting to become a football factory. You might as well be mixing oil and water.
The A10 has none of these problems. Which is why those members are putting roots down.
Quote from: UDPride on November 20, 2012, 04:11:09 PMIve stated several times that A10 schools will have the most leverage in the basketball-only world. The A10 recently added Butler and VCU when football-destined schools Temple and Charlotte left. That was a very good swap and further focused the league on hoops-only.
The A10 has security and right now security is 9/10ths of the law. There are league rivalries, schedules, TV deals, conference tourney sites (Barclays), NCAA automatic berths, and many other things going for the A10. Most important: more people want into the A10 than out of it. We can speculate on what teams might want in at any given moment -- some better or worse than others -- but the list of schools will continue to get longer and more competitive as conference shakeups occur.
The top A10 schools are not going to leave the stability and security of the A10 for some new-fangled league that takes 4-5 years to get an NCAA automatic bid, has no conference tournament home, no TV package, etc. Not when they see what's going on right now with everyone jockeying for new leagues left and right. No A10 school is going to jump from whats already the best basketball-only league to jumpstart a new league with new members whom have made most of their decisions over the last 15 years on nothing but the dollar bill. These A10 schools would be fearful that they join a new league and in 2-3 years some members of the new league split town and leave them behind (see also Great Midwest Conference, Conference-USA).
Five years ago, a new hoops-only league with A10 schools might have been possible. But the A10 has added Sloo, Butler, VCU, and are looking to caulk their own hulls and fasten the hatches for the long haul.
Considering most of those Big East schools refuse to even schedule A10 schools in the non-con, I think its also safe to say there's not as much love out there as some think. The A10 has simply moved on and I dont think they feel they even need the BE basketball schools anymore. They have never operated with that massive BE football money and have managed to earn their success on far smaller budgets. And yet many A10 schools have outstanding athletic departments as good or better than some BE schools.
Money is not the answer to everything. I think the BE hoops schools waited far too long and now they may pay a price and get left out if the A10 doesnt feel the need to throw a life vest.
While everyone is ultimately out for their own survival, there is very little interest in A10 schools exiting the A10 to align with BE schools. If realignment occurs, the A10 will be the one doing the poaching because the existing A10 schools are not going to voluntarily give up their negotiating strength. A10 schools dont need the BE schools. BE schools may need the A10 schools however -- heck they may need them just on numbers alone to qualify as an automatic bid conference. Big difference.
Quote from: UDPride on November 28, 2012, 12:08:54 PMIf you think schools are going to "beat a path to your door" for the privilege of insecurity, instability, no TV contract, no conference tournament, and the chance many of those same schools in a newfangled conference bolt once again as soon as they see something better, I want the same liquor you are drinking.
You wont be raiding the A10, but the A10 might raid you -- if you're that fortunate. The A10 is stability in a sea of chaos. They have no reason or urgency to leave. More money wont put them over the top because theyve been stretching a dollar all their lives. That's their normal. They are used to making the Big Dance on a shoestring budget -- and have done quite well for themselves.
If you believe all the BE basketball schools have to do is yell "jump", and the A10 schools will respond with "How high?", you are seriously over-estimating your negotiating position in this giant mess. The A10 schools have the high ground. They dont NEED you. They might want you, but NEEDING and WANTING are two entirely different things. You NEED the A10 schools however if you cut bait with football. Big difference.
While you guys were sitting around counting the checks the last 6-7 years, the A10 was busy trying to position themselves as the best basketball-only conference. They never tried to be something they were not. They didn't sit still. They added Butler and VCU and St. Louis. They never twiddled thumbs waiting on conference collapses to snag a Georgetown.
Five years ago, some of the A10 schools might have listened to your plea to form a new hoops only league. But you were too busy counting benjamins. That ship has sailed, my friend. There may or may not be a collective empowerment between the Big East and A10, but if there is, it will be on the A10's terms.
The A10 has the luxury of doing nothing and remaining relevant, secure, stable, and collectively united among all of its member institutions in a common goal. Unfortunately, you don't have that option. Your re-invention requires a lifeboat someone else must provide. And when someone else provides it, its not your position to demand hot towels and a wine list.
The Big East name means nothing now. The value was not in the name, but the value of the institutions within it. That's gone now. With Barclays Arena committed to the A10, MSG is no longer the carrot it once was. And history? History is for historians. That and a cup of coffee won't get you far, and it certainly won't get you into the BIG12 or ACC as a basketball-only member -- as some delusional fans on here are trying to talk themselves into.
Many of you are right in this sense: you are second class citizens in the Big East and have been for years. You cashed the paychecks, but were otherwise red-headed stepchildren. Your say never counted at the board meetings and you were to be seen and not heard. Football drove the bus and basketball was back-burner. But you should have seen this coming a long time ago. You waited far too long. Instead of being proactive and guaranteeing your own autonomy, nothing mattered as long as the checks didnt bounce. From the very beginning you never had a hand on the wheel -- and no conference should ever be run without all hands steering together in the same direction.
The A10 has always had that luxury. And member institutions are not in any hurry to jump ship in 50-foot seas when the boat ain't leaking. It might not be the fastest or prettiest ship on the high seas, but she's not foundering, and that's quite impressive given the current climate.
If you truly believe you hold the cards, why the panic? Nobody in the A10 is panicking. Your stress level tells me all I need to know about where the leverage really is.
Ignore is your friend. Especially when the posts take up so much space.
This reminds me of what diarrhea feels like
Kudos to Flyer, this is one of the most successful trolls I've seen.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 25, 2025, 10:55:11 AMKudos to Flyer, this is one of the most successful trolls I've seen.
It's not trolling if he's serious... which I'm pretty sure he is.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 11:39:25 AMIt's not trolling if he's serious... which I'm pretty sure he is.
Correct. He used to post this nonsense at Holy Land of Hoops.
KenPom:
4. KenPom +13.70
8. A10 +2.92, just ahead of Conference USA and just behind the WCC
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 12:37:58 PMKenPom:
4. KenPom +13.70
8. A10 +2.92, just ahead of Conference USA and just behind the WCC
The Big East is almost 5 times better than the A10.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on March 25, 2025, 10:20:23 AMYet, you still persist in talking about Dayton on this thread, so I'm going to tell you a story that is highly relevant to the Big East Conference. I'll start by introducing you to Koby Brea – a totally unknown, unscouted, unrahked high school senior five years ago, who received only one Division I basketball scholarship offer – from Coach Anthony Grant.
Koby Brea Recruiting Profile (HS Class of 2020) (https://247sports.com/player/koby-brea-46148991/high-school-313381/) – 247 Sports
Koby Brea Bio (https://daytonflyers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/koby-brea/14230) – Dayton Flyers official website
Koby rarely, if ever, was in the Flyers' starting line-up during his injury-plagued four seasons at Dayton. His injuries hampered his lateral movement, so he was a defensive liability, but kept working to improve his strength and mobility.
Last summer it was learned (from multiple sources in UD's wealthy benefactor / NIL syndicate) that the Kentucky's wealthy benefactor / NIL syndicate had offered Koby $1 million to play is fifth season at Kentucky. Dayton's NIL syndicate (not nearly as rich as Kentucky's) coulf only come up with $500,000 fo the 2024-25 season, so they wished Koby well, as he now had a fiancée and child to support.
Kentucky Lands Koby Brea; Dayton Transfer Considered Duke, UNC, More (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10119445-kentucky-lands-koby-brea-dayton-transfer-considered-duke-unc-more) – Bleacher Report – May 2, 2024
Koby Brea Bio (https://ukathletics.com/sports/mbball/roster/player/koby-brea/) – Kentucky Wildcats official website
Koby Brea Career Stats (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/4591259/koby-brea) – ESPN – updated March 24, 2025
As things turned out, Kentucky is getting their money's worth:
#6 Illinois Fighting Illini 86, # 11 Xavier Musketeers 73 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401746015) – ESPN Box Score – March , 2025
#3 Kentucky Wildcats 84, #6 Illinois Fighting Illini 75 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore/_/gameId/401746048) – ESPN Box Score – March 24, 2025
#3 Kentucky Wildcats 84, #6 Illinois Fighting Illini 75 – ESPN Game Recap – March 24, 2025
The moral of this story is highly relevant to the Big East conference, as well as the other triple-A conferences:
If P4 programs such as Kentucky can afford to pay $1 million per season for a Dayton Flyers' reserve player, they can afford to buy most players on Big East rosters, and the situation will only become worse in the future, as the P4 conferences are widening the gap over triple-A conferences in both the accumulation of NCAA Tournament 'credits' for wins, and the value of TV media rights contracts between the P4 conferences and triple-A conferences is widening each year. They're going to have a lot of money to spend in the years ahead, and that's a direct threat to Big East and the other triple-A conferences.
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/THcAAOSwsFJeF6he/s-l1600.webp)
(https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap/_/gameId/401746048)Koby Brea is now an NBA Draft prospect (https://www.aseaofblue.com/2025/2/13/24364442/nba-mock-draft-2025-uk-basketball-koby-brea-cleveland-cavaliers#:~:text=Brea%20is%20averaging%2010.8%20points,as%20a%20top%20draft%20prospect.) – SB Nation – February 13, 2025
2025 NBA mock draft: Pick projections ahead of March Madness (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/story/_/id/44206848/2025-nba-mock-draft-pick-projections-march-madness-tre-johnson-derick-queen-cooper-flagg)– ESPN – updated March 13, 2025
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Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on March 24, 2025, 08:40:15 PMthe 2025 NCAA Tournament was a PR disaster for the Big East.
I am somehow surviving this PR disaster by telling myself the Big East has won 8 of the last 21 NCAA Tournaments.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 25, 2025, 03:12:44 PMI am somehow surviving this PR disaster by telling myself the Big East has won 8 of the last 21 NCAA Tournaments.
Which, coincidentally, is the same number of times Dayton has been to the NCAA tournament in the last 22 seasons.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 03:29:57 PMWhich, coincidentally, is the same number of times Dayton has been to the NCAA tournament in the last 22 seasons.
Oof I mean some programs would kill for that but imagine thinking you were on the upper tier of programs with a shot at the big East putting up those numbers
With scoopers at war with each other over going to the portal vs. developing HS recruits, perhaps we should try to find a middle ground. I suggest that Marquette buy the Dayton basketball team-but not the university-to use as our very own G League. Fieldhouse could keep us updated on how players are coming along, and which ones will likely be sent to Milwaukee. We could send underperforming players from Milwaukee to Dayton and try to help them overcome their deficiencies.
Edit: They can keep the Dayton name so students and other fans attend the games and cheer loudly, but the Flyers name has to go. They could be the Gold, the Warriors, or the Golden Beagles. Fieldhouse, your thoughts?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 25, 2025, 06:26:17 PMWith scoopers at war with each other over going to the portal vs. developing HS recruits, perhaps we should try to find a middle ground. I suggest that Marquette buy the Dayton basketball team-but not the university-to use as our very own G League. Fieldhouse could keep us updated on how players are coming along, and which ones will likely be sent to Milwaukee. We could send underperforming players from Milwaukee to Dayton and try to help them overcome their deficiencies.
No one is at war.
What does this guy think of the mid-range shot? That's what I want to know