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I know there's no way of knowing actual numbers for NIL spending, but a small discussion about how much Marquette spends on its men's basketball program (4th highest in the country) and why that number is flawed (Marquette is one of a very few programs that has to pay rent to play its home games) had me thinking about really the only spending that matters at this point in terms of your program's success: NIL money.  Do we think Marquette's spending there lands in the top 25?  Top 10?  I kind of have doubts about either of those.  I'd be shocked if we were above programs like:

Duke, Houston, Florida, Auburn, Tennessee, Alabama, Arizona, St. John's, Kentucky, Illinois, Mizzou, BYU, Kansas, Louisville, Oregon, UNC, Arkansas, Texas, Indiana, or Kansas State.

I'd be somewhat surprised if we spent more in NIL than Michigan State, Maryland, Gonzaga, Iowa State, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Michigan, Ole Miss, UCLA, Baylor, UCONN, Creighton, Memphis, Villanova, USC, or Rutgers (at least this year).

I could be completely out of touch here, but that's 20 programs I'd be shocked if we pay more in NIL than, and another 16 I'd be somewhat surprised if we spend more than.  That number is far more important in terms of ROI for what the program is spending on.  You have to pay players to get good players in your program.  Players aren't going to see "Oh dang, you pay millions in rent a year!  You're dedicated to the success of men's basketball here, I'm in!"  They're coming if money is hitting their bank account.

I think we can be competitive with the guys that Shaka targets, guys who buy into culture over worrying only about the money.  But I don't think we're close to a top spender where it really matters these days.

No doubt the NIL money is important to the kids, but you might be underestimating the value of the money spent on a quality coaching staff and top of the line facilities.  You know the chance to play in a world-class NBA arena is worth more than a little bit as a recruiting tool.

I've been thinking about NIL a lot lately and I am curious too.  I look at the rapid rise to being the dominant basketball conference (7 of the sweet 16) of the SEC.  The sweet 16 is 7 SEC, 4 each from Big 10 and Big 12 and 1 from the ACC (Duke, who I think it is safe to say spends a lot of NIL money).  Watching the tournament, it is obvious that those conferences, especially the SEC, just have bigger, more athletic guys all over their rosters.  I wonder how much of that is NIL.

All excellent points, but I would add that the NIL market is not stable.  It seems to have exploded in the last year and I think we can see that growth continuing until some limit is in place.  I think we are seeing in the tournament already that the smaller budget schools that may have been able to make a run with a group of 3-4 year players do not seem to be there anymore.  I suspect their better players are getting siphoned off by teams with more to spend.  While I think MU can do well to retain its top players, that has limits when the yearly bill keeps growing at pretty high percentages.  You already have 35 listed, and that doesn't count rumored big spenders like OSU, Memphis and Washington. And no, I don't know how many schools, especially smaller schools like MU, can continue to rely on that level of support year after year.

I'd be rather shocked if we couldn't compete with Creighton or Gonzaga.

I have no idea what we spend in NIL or how it compares to other schools. I really won't be concerned about it unless we lose a player to an obvious portal bag drop, or the HS recruiting drops off a cliff due to higher day one salary demands for incoming Freshman (neither have happened so far).

I don't know how much playing at Fiserve has to do with recruiting. It's a great facility, but better players than MU gets go to lots of other places where home games are played in lesser facilities.

Donate.

Marquette's spending to date: $0

Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 24, 2025, 12:03:29 PMNo doubt the NIL money is important to the kids, but you might be underestimating the value of the money spent on a quality coaching staff and top of the line facilities.  You know the chance to play in a world-class NBA arena is worth more than a little bit as a recruiting tool.

Definitely underestimating the non NIL spend. Marquette pays DeAndre Haynes as one of the highest paid assistant coaches in the country at almost $450k per year. Kevin Willard is complaining about spend at Maryland, where his team can't spend an extra night in NYC, while MU is staying an extra night at Atlantis.

For the record, P5 schools that pay rent for their arenas is a small list. This list might not be perfect, but here you go.

Marquette
St. John's* (9 games at MSG)
Kentucky
NC State
Creighton
DePaul
Georgetown
Memphis
Louisville
Nebraska
Seton Hall
Providence
Villanova* (5 games at Wells Fargo)
UConn* (8 games at XL)

Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2025, 12:13:53 PMI'd be rather shocked if we couldn't compete with Creighton or Gonzaga.

Gonzaga's isn't as strong as many think it is or should be. Drew Timme got national NIL deals, not collective cash.

Creighton's NIL is stronger than you think. Bruce Rassmussen (former AD) leaned into this hard and early. He structured dels with mainly his starters that included well timed bonus payments that coincided with key commitment and transfer dates. They also all got (leased) cars. Stakes have been raised since the early days but there are passionate deep pockets in Creighton's lower bowl.

The fun rumor with Cooper Flagg is that he got $0 of NIL money. Duke promised to make him the face of college basketball and leverage their alumni to get him 10-20 million in sponsorships. I don't see any other players in AT&T ad campaigns so maybe it's true

Quote from: Dish on March 24, 2025, 01:35:07 PMFor the record, P5 schools that pay rent for their arenas is a small list. This list might not be perfect, but here you go.

Marquette
St. John's* (9 games at MSG)
Kentucky
NC State
Creighton
DePaul
Georgetown
Memphis
Louisville
Nebraska
Seton Hall
Providence
Villanova* (5 games at Wells Fargo)
UConn* (8 games at XL)

How much of a difference does this make, though?
I've been around the arena business a tiny bit, and from what I learned then, it's hard to turn a profit. And I imagine it would be especially hard in a city like Milwaukee, where there are plenty of other venues to compete with for non-Marquette events.
So while yes, MU does have the added expense of rent payments, those payments may very well be smaller than the operational losses the school could face by managing and maintaining (and repaying the loans to build) a suitably sized area on or near campus.

Quote from: Carl on March 24, 2025, 02:09:20 PMCreighton's NIL is stronger than you think. Bruce Rassmussen (former AD) leaned into this hard and early. He structured dels with mainly his starters that included well timed bonus payments that coincided with key commitment and transfer dates. They also all got (leased) cars. Stakes have been raised since the early days but there are passionate deep pockets in Creighton's lower bowl.

The fun rumor with Cooper Flagg is that he got $0 of NIL money. Duke promised to make him the face of college basketball and leverage their alumni to get him 10-20 million in sponsorships. I don't see any other players in AT&T ad campaigns so maybe it's true

... I think there are a lot of people who don't know what NIL is.

MU'S Be The Difference NIL fund is a separate entity from the school.  It is funded by donations and partnerships.  Assume it has been decently funded up until now.  Based on what has been said, hinted, rumored, and inferred by what has actually gone on, I feel safe making these guesses.

MU pays a flat fee.  Shaka has said that referencing no need for agents.

It goes up by year.  And production leads to more money.  Look at TKo's NIL valuation a season ago, the rumors of what he was offered to return for his COVID year.  Look at Kam's NIL valuation.

Related to that, and assuming it is thematically close if not letter perfect, like the Brewers or Packers, three relatively big contracts are coming off the books.

Going forward, with 15 possible scholarships vs 13, it is logical to assume it is going to need more money.

Quote from: tower912 on March 24, 2025, 02:34:29 PMGoing forward, with 15 possible scholarships vs 13, it is logical to assume it is going to need more money.

Or just not give 15 scholarships.
If you're a team that gets to the point where you're relying on your 14th and 15th players, your season is cooked anyhow.
And if you're a player willing to be a 14th/15th man, you're probably not very good, are unlikely to ever become very good and harming your chances of ever becoming good by not playing. You're better off going to a smaller school where you can play and, if you blow up, hitting the portal.
Would love to see Shaka use those scholies instead to reward multiyear walk-ons.

That is a valid point.  In opposition to what we have seen, much like Shaka using the portal, but a possibility, nonetheless.  There was a prime candidate last fall for the 15th scholarship (Ward?).  There is hot gossip about other players.   You are technically correct, though.

Quote from: Pakuni on March 24, 2025, 02:23:19 PMHow much of a difference does this make, though?
I've been around the arena business a tiny bit, and from what I learned then, it's hard to turn a profit. And I imagine it would be especially hard in a city like Milwaukee, where there are plenty of other venues to compete with for non-Marquette events.
So while yes, MU does have the added expense of rent payments, those payments may very well be smaller than the operational losses the school could face by managing and maintaining (and repaying the loans to build) a suitably sized area on or near campus.

I was just providing this list for context. I agree 100% with what you're saying.

Quote from: Dish on March 24, 2025, 12:55:09 PMKevin Willard is complaining about spend at Maryland

https://youtu.be/07P-rK_mPZo?si=XuD2T6dFOTi6vcwF&t=356

Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 24, 2025, 04:44:59 PMhttps://youtu.be/07P-rK_mPZo?si=XuD2T6dFOTi6vcwF&t=356

https://x.com/thehoopherald/status/1902847851421475133?s=46&t=nX9__T6F5tmMsEFTze2ANQ

Willard to Villanova.

Quote from: Dish on March 24, 2025, 05:08:28 PM[some X crap]

I'm not saying Willard isn't complaining ;D

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 24, 2025, 05:13:39 PMWillard to Villanova.

It's looking that way.  But I just don't know. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on March 25, 2025, 06:47:31 PMIt's looking that way.  But I just don't know. 

Looking more like Richard Pitino.

Opening the portal during the NCAA tournament is beyond absurd. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on March 25, 2025, 08:14:21 PMOpening the portal during the NCAA tournament is beyond absurd. 

You and Izzo agree.

I'm with Muggsy on this one

Yes.  Also should but a ban on coaching changes and a ban on asking coaches about coaching changes. 

We can add additional absurd things that must be addressed:

The wild wild west regarding transfers/nil needs to have some parameters or a cap.  There should be a 2 yr minimum contract imo, or force them to sit out a year like before.

The unlimited 2 minute reviews are a total joke.  They're essentially called for time-outs.  And it's absolutely solvable.  You either do it like the NBA challenge system, or the refs need to tell the coaches to go fk themselves because they saw the play 100%. If the coaches insist they're wrong?  Auto 2 shot tech + the ball if the zebras are correct. 

Lastly, I have never understood why jump balls aren't actual jump balls.  I've always hated alternate possession.  Are they simply incapable of throwing the ball up?

Here's The Athletic's business of sports newsletter about $$$ in college basketball ...

Meanwhile, the biggest adjustment is still coming up this spring: the pending House settlement to a class-action lawsuit that would allow each DI school to share $20 million of revenue with players.

Any with big football programs will put most of the bag toward that, but the basketball-first schools (like the Big East and many mid-majors) will spend it on hoops, theoretically flattening the big-school advantages. What St. John's was able to do with a billionaire's bankroll will now be more accessible to the Georgetowns and Gonzagas.
 
(If you love a team in a power conference, don't worry: NIL collectives can — and will — still pay well beyond an NCAA-sanctioned $20 million floor.)

The portal opened Monday, transfer rules are lax and it makes NFL, NBA and MLB free agency look stodgy. NIL budgets are skyrocketing, and players and coaches alike are all on year-to-year deals — now, we just don't have to use NCAA-avoidant euphemisms or "bag men" or burner phones.

As disruptive and uncomfortable as that might seem, it actually feels healthier than the old system.

Quote from: MuggsyB on March 25, 2025, 08:14:21 PMOpening the portal during the NCAA tournament is beyond absurd. 

blame the coaches for that, they're the ones who pushed for these dates.

Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2025, 08:34:10 AMHere's The Athletic's business of sports newsletter about $$$ in college basketball ...

Meanwhile, the biggest adjustment is still coming up this spring: the pending House settlement to a class-action lawsuit that would allow each DI school to share $20 million of revenue with players.

Any with big football programs will put most of the bag toward that, but the basketball-first schools (like the Big East and many mid-majors) will spend it on hoops, theoretically flattening the big-school advantages. What St. John's was able to do with a billionaire's bankroll will now be more accessible to the Georgetowns and Gonzagas.
 
(If you love a team in a power conference, don't worry: NIL collectives can — and will — still pay well beyond an NCAA-sanctioned $20 million floor.)

The portal opened Monday, transfer rules are lax and it makes NFL, NBA and MLB free agency look stodgy. NIL budgets are skyrocketing, and players and coaches alike are all on year-to-year deals — now, we just don't have to use NCAA-avoidant euphemisms or "bag men" or burner phones.

As disruptive and uncomfortable as that might seem, it actually feels healthier than the old system.

It does though, in my opinion, completely divorce athletics from being a legitimate component of an Academic mission. When an average of 5-players from each team (or more) are entering the portal every year it is clear that there is essentially no consideration of academics in college basketball/football.

Quote from: forgetful on March 26, 2025, 08:59:17 AMIt does though, in my opinion, completely divorce athletics from being a legitimate component of an Academic mission. When an average of 5-players from each team (or more) are entering the portal every year it is clear that there is essentially no consideration of academics in college basketball/football.

This has been the case for decades. Nothing new to see here in regard to the bolded.

I laugh at all the doom-and-gloom talk every time something changes in big-time college sports. And I want the athletes to get as much money as they can and have freedom of movement.

But opening the transfer portal before the season is over is dumb and destructive. I have yet to see good justification for it.

Power Conference coaches fear the Big East has a major advantage, one that Shaka won't leverage with the retention, but they fear football schools can't compete with the Big East.

(Also calling the Big East a mid major is funny.)

https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1904882033203040459?t=Jot03iIggSpQX2hlduX1zg&s=19

Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2025, 08:34:10 AMHere's The Athletic's business of sports newsletter about $$$ in college basketball ...

Meanwhile, the biggest adjustment is still coming up this spring: the pending House settlement to a class-action lawsuit that would allow each DI school to share $20 million of revenue with players.

Any with big football programs will put most of the bag toward that, but the basketball-first schools (like the Big East and many mid-majors) will spend it on hoops, theoretically flattening the big-school advantages. What St. John's was able to do with a billionaire's bankroll will now be more accessible to the Georgetowns and Gonzagas.
 
(If you love a team in a power conference, don't worry: NIL collectives can — and will — still pay well beyond an NCAA-sanctioned $20 million floor.)

The portal opened Monday, transfer rules are lax and it makes NFL, NBA and MLB free agency look stodgy. NIL budgets are skyrocketing, and players and coaches alike are all on year-to-year deals — now, we just don't have to use NCAA-avoidant euphemisms or "bag men" or burner phones.

As disruptive and uncomfortable as that might seem, it actually feels healthier than the old system.

This presupposes the additional revenue stays in football, which seems not to be the case as much anymore.  Teams like Baylor, TTech,Ole Miss etc were never to my limited memory basketball powers. I think something has changed at these more "hard core" football schools to get them to pay attention to basketball with their abundant resources. I do not think that bodes well for little ole MU.

Quote from: connie on March 26, 2025, 09:47:32 AMThis presupposes the additional revenue stays in football, which seems not to be the case as much anymore.  Teams like Baylor, TTech,Ole Miss etc were never to my limited memory basketball powers. I think something has changed at these more "hard core" football schools to get them to pay attention to basketball with their abundant resources. I do not think that bodes well for little ole MU.

You don't know, you're taking a guess. And that's not a criticism of you - I don't know, either. We'll see how it plays out.

But do check out GE03's post right above this one.

Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2025, 09:36:18 AMI laugh at all the doom-and-gloom talk every time something changes in big-time college sports. And I want the athletes to get as much money as they can and have freedom of movement.

But opening the transfer portal before the season is over is dumb and destructive. I have yet to see good justification for it.

My criticism is completely from an academics perspective. Athletes are already often restricted on what Major's they are allowed to pursue.

When they transfer, often many of their classes do not transfer over to a major at the new school, which sets them back even further. That leads to it almost being impossible to graduate with a good degree.

And they are transferring for immediate financial reasons. The consequences are that athletes, most of whom will never make anything playing professionally after school, are preyed upon by agents, and schools, who leave them ultimately with no marketable degree,

In many cases, these changes are not benefitting the athletes long term.

Quote from: forgetful on March 26, 2025, 09:01:38 PMMy criticism is completely from an academics perspective. Athletes are already often restricted on what Major's they are allowed to pursue.

When they transfer, often many of their classes do not transfer over to a major at the new school, which sets them back even further. That leads to it almost being impossible to graduate with a good degree.

And they are transferring for immediate financial reasons. The consequences are that athletes, most of whom will never make anything playing professionally after school, are preyed upon by agents, and schools, who leave them ultimately with no marketable degree,

In many cases, these changes are not benefitting the athletes long term.

That's a reasonable argument against the way the transfer portal and pay-for-play currently operates. I'm not sure I agree with much of it, but it's reasonable.

However, it didn't address the situation I mentioned: "Opening the transfer portal before the season is over is dumb and destructive. I have yet to see good justification for it."

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 26, 2025, 09:40:01 AMPower Conference coaches fear the Big East has a major advantage, one that Shaka won't leverage with the retention, but they fear football schools can't compete with the Big East.

(Also calling the Big East a mid major is funny.)

https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1904882033203040459?t=Jot03iIggSpQX2hlduX1zg&s=19

Shaka won't leverage this? He's holding back money and/or overpaying for loyalty?  Great to hear...

When I've talked to former players who know this area they swear guys like Kolek and Kam were getting over a million, and MU needed deep pockets to keep them (especially Kam).  If MU has a spending advantage 2x of SEC schools Shaka will take advantage of it...but MU won't have that advantage and everyone realizes that.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 26, 2025, 09:40:01 AMPower Conference coaches fear the Big East has a major advantage, one that Shaka won't leverage with the retention, but they fear football schools can't compete with the Big East.

(Also calling the Big East a mid major is funny.)

https://x.com/RossDellenger/status/1904882033203040459?t=Jot03iIggSpQX2hlduX1zg&s=19

I can't wait to see how the NCAA does/doesn't enforce "market value" NIL deals.

Middle Tennessee State is gonna get hammered with violations

Quote from: avid1010 on March 27, 2025, 05:39:52 AMShaka won't leverage this? He's holding back money and/or overpaying for loyalty?  Great to hear...

When I've talked to former players who know this area they swear guys like Kolek and Kam were getting over a million, and MU needed deep pockets to keep them (especially Kam).  If MU has a spending advantage 2x of SEC schools Shaka will take advantage of it...but MU won't have that advantage and everyone realizes that.

LOL. Over a million? Laughable

Quote from: forgetful on March 26, 2025, 09:01:38 PMMy criticism is completely from an academics perspective. Athletes are already often restricted on what Major's they are allowed to pursue.

When they transfer, often many of their classes do not transfer over to a major at the new school, which sets them back even further. That leads to it almost being impossible to graduate with a good degree.

And they are transferring for immediate financial reasons. The consequences are that athletes, most of whom will never make anything playing professionally after school, are preyed upon by agents, and schools, who leave them ultimately with no marketable degree,

In many cases, these changes are not benefitting the athletes long term.

Maybe in football but student-athletes are not that restricted in their "Major's" as the anti-athletics administrators and wing of the media want you to believe.

Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 27, 2025, 09:44:56 AMMaybe in football but student-athletes are not that restricted in their "Major's" as the anti-athletics administrators and wing of the media want you to believe.

Fake news media got everyone again.

Quote from: 79Warrior on March 27, 2025, 09:35:45 AMLOL. Over a million? Laughable

You have no f'ing clue what you are talking about.  My sources are pretty decent...former player that is around NIL and former player that is around recruits.  Kam closer to $2 million than $1 million.
 
Heck, I just did a Google search, and while I would agree it's hard for anyone to know... https://www.si.com/fannation/name-image-likeness/nil-news/men-s-college-basketball-top-5-highest-nil-earners-this-season

There is another wrinkle to this. It is the school/collective using connections to get X player a deal that the collective does not pay for. Think Flagg and the ATT commercials he is on. Think Kam and the soda commercials he does or the insoles.

Duke's collective has money to pay people. What is more powerful is the connections Duke has with brands and the ability to get stars on TV etc.

I also have connections and I have heard Kam was somewhere around 1.5-2M. And much of that is not necessarily coming from the collective, but his Soda deals and other deals he has. Yes, Kam made NIL money from signing gear, making appearances at pop a shot etc. But he made much more with his soda and other national type ads. 

Quote from: MUbiz on March 27, 2025, 11:27:17 AMThere is another wrinkle to this. It is the school/collective using connections to get X player a deal that the collective does not pay for. Think Flagg and the ATT commercials he is on. Think Kam and the soda commercials he does or the insoles.

Duke's collective has money to pay people. What is more powerful is the connections Duke has with brands and the ability to get stars on TV etc.

I also have connections and I have heard Kam was somewhere around 1.5-2M. And much of that is not necessarily coming from the collective, but his Soda deals and other deals he has. Yes, Kam made NIL money from signing gear, making appearances at pop a shot etc. But he made much more with his soda and other national type ads. 

That is my understanding as well.  After his sophomore year Kam was offered big $ elsewhere, but MU connections came through.

Have a friend who's son was player of the year in a low mid-major conference.  He was actually worth more after his sophomore year than his junior year.  His coach's words were proven guys with 2 years left are worth more than gold.  It's interesting to see the  different paths programs are taking with NIL.  I like what Shaka is doing.

This is where the power of conference should step in.  We can match Duke's connections if the Big East worked to do so for their most marketable players. 

There is a lot of opportunity that we can leverage here....bigger isnt better necessarily for these conferences.

Quote from: avid1010 on March 27, 2025, 11:38:50 AMThat is my understanding as well.  After his sophomore year Kam was offered big $ elsewhere, but MU connections came through.

Have a friend who's son was player of the year in a low mid-major conference.  He was actually worth more after his sophomore year than his junior year.  His coach's words were proven guys with 2 years left are worth more than gold.  It's interesting to see the  different paths programs are taking with NIL.  I like what Shaka is doing.

That makes total sense - the more years you have left, the better.  I like what Shaka is doing as well. I know people on the forum talk about throwing bags at people etc. The truth of it is MUBB and the collective have great connections and funding. Are we ever going to be BYU throwing 7 mil at a high school kid? No. But are we competitive in the NIL landscape? You bet we are.

I am even more curious to see how MUBB does with the settlement that is happening early April. TBD on that.

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 27, 2025, 11:43:33 AMThis is where the power of conference should step in.  We can match Duke's connections if the Big East worked to do so for their most marketable players. 

There is a lot of opportunity that we can leverage here....bigger isnt better necessarily for these conferences.

This is also valid. I would assume the BE is already doing this. To what extent, I do not know. It would be malpractice if the BE was not trying to do something in this regard.

Quote from: avid1010 on March 27, 2025, 11:18:34 AMYou have no f'ing clue what you are talking about.  My sources are pretty decent...former player that is around NIL and former player that is around recruits.  Kam closer to $2 million than $1 million.
 
Heck, I just did a Google search, and while I would agree it's hard for anyone to know... https://www.si.com/fannation/name-image-likeness/nil-news/men-s-college-basketball-top-5-highest-nil-earners-this-season

I actually do and you are wayyyyyyyy off.

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 27, 2025, 11:43:33 AMThis is where the power of conference should step in.  We can match Duke's connections if the Big East worked to do so for their most marketable players. 

There is a lot of opportunity that we can leverage here....bigger isnt better necessarily for these conferences.

Maybe MU can match Duke's connections among alumni networks and corporate connections.  Which matters locally.  But, Duke has ESPN as its PR machine working in overdrive. Merely playing for Duke seems to make you a star. Especially now with ESPN's even cozier relationship with the ACC and SEC in the past several years. 

The House settlement is interesting.  I am reasonably confident that football schools will still find a way to keep up with the basketball schools in terms of revenue sharing, once the dust settles and everyone knows what is going on.  So far, NIL has done nothing but benefit the B1G and SEC above all others.  They'll find a way.

MU should have have decent resources for a player as the theee seniors deserved there fair share.  Not sure there is a player coming back deserves the kind of money those 3 kids did.

Quote from: BCHoopster on March 27, 2025, 02:47:55 PMMU should have have decent resources for a player as the theee seniors deserved there fair share.  Not sure there is a player coming back deserves the kind of money those 3 kids did.

That's not really how Marquette does it.  But sure.

What do most people think MU has for an NIL budget?   MU is not destitute, but don't think for a second there is a billionaire dropping 8 figures a year.

Quote from: tower912 on March 27, 2025, 03:20:29 PMWhat do most people think MU has for an NIL budget?   MU is not destitute, but don't think for a second there is a billionaire dropping 8 figures a year.

$0. Not allowed.

Quote from: Jay Bee on March 27, 2025, 03:27:53 PM$0. Not allowed.

Not allowed yet.   How much do people think the NIL collective has?

Quote from: 79Warrior on March 27, 2025, 12:32:11 PMI actually do and you are wayyyyyyyy off.

So what did he make this year?

We don't need to match Duke to be an extremely successful program.

Kam got paid, and it was not peanuts.  Upcoming year, there will be no one close to there numbers, so the collective probably has some money!

Quote from: avid1010 on March 27, 2025, 05:59:59 PMSo what did he make this year?

I don't pretend to know the exact amount but the collective had just under $3mm so you do the math.

Quote from: 79Warrior on March 27, 2025, 07:51:03 PMI don't pretend to know the exact amount but the collective had just under $3mm so you do the math.

You're discounting deals outside (or setup) by BTD, but not paid directly.

Take the source or lack there of into consideration but a co worker told me his daughter who goes to Minnesota told him she heard from a source connected to the team that Minnesotas best player maybe Dawson was getting 1 Million NIL last year.

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 27, 2025, 09:28:55 PMTake the source or lack there of into consideration but a co worker told me his daughter who goes to Minnesota told him she heard from a source connected to the team that Minnesotas best player maybe Dawson was getting 1 Million NIL last year.

Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 27, 2025, 09:28:55 PMTake the source or lack there of into consideration but a co worker told me his daughter who goes to Minnesota told him she heard from a source connected to the team that Minnesotas best player maybe Dawson was getting 1 Million NIL last year.

lol. No.

Quote from: MuggsyB on March 25, 2025, 08:49:47 PMLastly, I have never understood why jump balls aren't actual jump balls.  I've always hated alternate possession.  Are they simply incapable of throwing the ball up?

So do you think it is fair to do a jump ball if a 5"10" player locks up the ball with a 7'1" player?

Quote from: 79Warrior on March 27, 2025, 12:32:11 PMI actually do and you are wayyyyyyyy off.

Same here.

MU's issue is that it has a fraction of the alumni that most power 4 conferences have. There is only a handful of major donors.  You can only go to that well so many times.

Anyone who is bitching about Marquette not putting together enough NIL money needs to get out their checkbook.  Not their day-to-day one, their brokerage one.

Quote from: warriorchick on March 27, 2025, 09:47:46 PMneeds to get out their checkbook.  Not their day-to-day one, their brokerage one.

A little age discrimination here.  I've got several brokerage accounts, a few checking & savings accounts, and the only checkbook I have is for a decades old checking account I didn't really use anymore.

Quote from: MuggsyB on March 25, 2025, 08:49:47 PMWe can add additional absurd things that must be addressed:

The wild wild west regarding transfers/nil needs to have some parameters or a cap.  There should be a 2 yr minimum contract imo, or force them to sit out a year like before.

The unlimited 2 minute reviews are a total joke.  They're essentially called for time-outs.  And it's absolutely solvable.  You either do it like the NBA challenge system, or the refs need to tell the coaches to go fk themselves because they saw the play 100%. If the coaches insist they're wrong?  Auto 2 shot tech + the ball if the zebras are correct. 

Lastly, I have never understood why jump balls aren't actual jump balls.  I've always hated alternate possession.  Are they simply incapable of throwing the ball up?

Tie ups should go to the defense. Like in pick up ball.

Quote from: 79Warrior on March 27, 2025, 07:51:03 PMI don't pretend to know the exact amount but the collective had just under $3mm so you do the math.

No kidding...had very little to do with the collective.

Quote from: 79Warrior on March 27, 2025, 07:51:03 PMI don't pretend to know the exact amount but the collective had just under $3mm so you do the math.

Once again, I'm not sure a lot of people know what NIL is or means.

Here is someone who claims to know about the collective thinking that it is the only stream of NIL money for our players.

Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2025, 11:05:00 AMYou don't know, you're taking a guess. And that's not a criticism of you - I don't know, either. We'll see how it plays out.

But do check out GE03's post right above this one.

No offense taken. I did read the quote from Dellenger, I just don't believe it.  It's like watching a former president and being told he was sharp as a tack. It seems pretty clear that the SEC has invested heavily in basketball, including schools that didn't have a huge prior presence.  I think their recent success is going to cause that commitment to grow.  Sure there will be struggles between the bb and fb needs and boosters, but I think the culture is there for far more monetary support than many BE schools can come up with.  Does anyone think that LSU is going to accept the rest of the SEC's bb success and not try to fix their lowly finish this year with more money? Prices are just going to go up. I really hope I'm wrong, and I certainly have no more insight (probably less) than most, but I think MU really struggles in the unregulated NIL world.

Quote from: connie on March 28, 2025, 08:32:47 AMNo offense taken. I did read the quote from Dellenger, I just don't believe it.  It's like watching a former president and being told he was sharp as a tack. It seems pretty clear that the SEC has invested heavily in basketball, including schools that didn't have a huge prior presence.  I think their recent success is going to cause that commitment to grow.  Sure there will be struggles between the bb and fb needs and boosters, but I think the culture is there for far more monetary support than many BE schools can come up with.  Does anyone think that LSU is going to accept the rest of the SEC's bb success and not try to fix their lowly finish this year with more money? Prices are just going to go up. I really hope I'm wrong, and I certainly have no more insight (probably less) than most, but I think MU really struggles in the unregulated NIL world.

OK. I guess we'll see!

Kam was making very good money last year. My hope is that his money cycles back into the bucket for perhaps an upside oriented portal player. Though if shaka eschews the portal... does current roster get pay raises or the money goes unused?

Quote from: Captain Quette on March 28, 2025, 11:54:48 AMKam was making very good money last year. My hope is that his money cycles back into the bucket for perhaps an upside oriented portal player. Though if shaka eschews the portal... does current roster get pay raises or the money goes unused?

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Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 12:15:38 PM(https://c.tenor.com/54MsSn8iyMgAAAAC/tenor.gif)

I'm beginning to see why I got good grades at Marquette.

Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 02:06:15 PMI'm beginning to see why I got good grades at Marquette.

It took this long to figure that out, lol.

Quote from: RJax55 on March 28, 2025, 02:08:26 PMIt took this long to figure that out, lol.

They weren't THAT good.

Please explain?

Quote from: Captain Quette on March 28, 2025, 02:25:24 PMPlease explain?

There isn't a pot to be shared.  There is the collective money, and then there is money players get for selling their Name, Image, and Likeness.  Which can be endorsements, commercials, appearances, etc.

A bunch of Kam's money came from businesses and product ads and appearances.  That money doesn't just hang out waiting for the next Marquette guy to show up.  Sorta like the best player for the Bulls isn't getting the Jordan style shoe deal.

Capiche?

Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 02:40:08 PMThere isn't a pot to be shared.  There is the collective money, and then there is money players get for selling their Name, Image, and Likeness.  Which can be endorsements, commercials, appearances, etc.

A bunch of Kam's money came from businesses and product ads and appearances.  That money doesn't just hang out waiting for the next Marquette guy to show up.  Sorta like the best player for the Bulls isn't getting the Jordan style shoe deal.

Capiche?

Yea both Kam and Jop put in the effort and got tons of NIL deals. Kam was down near oak creek a couple weeks ago at a car wash doing autographs etc. I believe Marquette pays everyone equally, and its up to them to find deals in the area.

Quote from: #UnleashSean on March 28, 2025, 02:42:03 PMYea both Kam and Jop put in the effort and got tons of NIL deals. Kam was down near oak creek a couple weeks ago at a car wash doing autographs etc. I believe Marquette pays everyone equally, and its up to them to find deals in the area.

This is why Shaka's position about Agents surprises me.  If I were balancing school, basketball and trying to hustle for NIL dollars, i absolutely would want someone to help me manage it and go get new deals. But maybe I'm missing something.

I appreciate the the explanation, thank you.

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 28, 2025, 02:51:45 PMThis is why Shaka's position about Agents surprises me.  If I were balancing school, basketball and trying to hustle for NIL dollars, i absolutely would want someone to help me manage it and go get new deals. But maybe I'm missing something.

You are. He doesn't mind agents, he's even suggested TK get one. He's just saying that using them to negotiate with the BTD collective is useless because players are getting what they are getting.

Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on March 28, 2025, 02:51:45 PMThis is why Shaka's position about Agents surprises me.  If I were balancing school, basketball and trying to hustle for NIL dollars, i absolutely would want someone to help me manage it and go get new deals. But maybe I'm missing something.

You've misinterpreted what was said. Marquette will not deal with the agents, they have told the players everyone gets paid the same, no need for agents here. None of them are barred from having agents for NIL deals outside of the school,

Interesting quote by Jeff Goodman last night here (https://youtu.be/DBeyF1-0nao) (1:24) while talking about why Kevin Willard is potentially headed to Nova.

"We know the Big East has an advantage - at least for the short term - right now in the NIL market, because they don't have football."

So I met with an MU development officer this year.  The BTD collective is going to be falling into the background and base NIL will be through revenue sharing at each university.  MU has an advantage because there is a cap...and they don't have to share that cap with football.  Now the Cap is going to be about 20 million...but MU won't spend that...the number I heard was maybe 8-9 which I assume was across all sports...but I could be wrong.

Institutions will allocate a portion of their revenues to create a "Pool," which will cap the maximum dollar value of additional payments or benefits that Division I institutions can provide to student-athletes each academic year. For the 2025-26 academic year, the estimated Pool cap is approximately $20.5 million, though the final figure will be determined in Q1 of 2025.

Quote from: warriorchick on March 27, 2025, 09:47:46 PMSame here.

MU's issue is that it has a fraction of the alumni that most power 4 conferences have. There is only a handful of major donors.  You can only go to that well so many times.

Anyone who is bitching about Marquette not putting together enough NIL money needs to get out their checkbook.  Not their day-to-day one, their brokerage one.

Especially when all the well gets for their investment is a first round flameout

Quote from: warriorchick on March 27, 2025, 09:47:46 PMSame here.

MU's issue is that it has a fraction of the alumni that most power 4 conferences have. There is only a handful of major donors.  You can only go to that well so many times.

Anyone who is bitching about Marquette not putting together enough NIL money needs to get out their checkbook.  Not their day-to-day one, their brokerage one.

Nah, I think Marquette has taken enough of my money eh?

Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 02:40:08 PMThere isn't a pot to be shared.  There is the collective money, and then there is money players get for selling their Name, Image, and Likeness.  Which can be endorsements, commercials, appearances, etc.

A bunch of Kam's money came from businesses and product ads and appearances.  That money doesn't just hang out waiting for the next Marquette guy to show up.  Sorta like the best player for the Bulls isn't getting the Jordan style shoe deal.

Capiche?

I doubt some booster would independently work to keep, say, Al Amadou at MU with a big NIL deal without first verifying that Shaka wanted to retain him.

And if Shaka realizes that to retain Parham he needs an extra NIL deal or two to get it done, he knows exactly who to reach out to. He'll pick up the phone and call the car wash guy or someone similar--and that's how Royce will wind up with a bigger NIL deal while at the same time MU maintains an "everyone gets the same" party line.

While it might be true there is no official "pot to be shared", there is money available, and it is naive to think it's not at least indirectly controlled by Shaka.

Yes.  TKo did commercials.  Kam endorsed products and signed autographs.  Lots of t-shirts for sale through the spirit shop website.  And, I have heard rumblings that even through the NIL fund, seniority and production are rewarded somewhat.  But, that pool of money is finite.

Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2025, 01:11:24 AMEspecially when all the well gets for their investment is a first round flameout

This is the fate of Marquette fans who say only the NCAA tourney matters. Your season ended at 0-1.  ::)  I enjoyed the regular season, even with the losses. 

Quote from: mu_eyeballs on March 28, 2025, 11:18:50 PMSo I met with an MU development officer this year.  The BTD collective is going to be falling into the background and base NIL will be through revenue sharing at each university.  MU has an advantage because there is a cap...and they don't have to share that cap with football.  Now the Cap is going to be about 20 million...but MU won't spend that...the number I heard was maybe 8-9 which I assume was across all sports...but I could be wrong.

Institutions will allocate a portion of their revenues to create a "Pool," which will cap the maximum dollar value of additional payments or benefits that Division I institutions can provide to student-athletes each academic year. For the 2025-26 academic year, the estimated Pool cap is approximately $20.5 million, though the final figure will be determined in Q1 of 2025.

No cap on outside income. It will be abused just like the previous system was abused.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 09:38:44 AMThis is the fate of Marquette fans who say only the NCAA tourney matters. Your season ended at 0-1.  ::)  I enjoyed the regular season, even with the losses. 

As a bonus they can act all grumpy on Scoop for the next nine months.

Quote from: The Sultan on March 29, 2025, 10:11:27 AMAs a bonus they can act all grumpy on Scoop for the next nine months.

Going off-topic a bit (excuse the bragging, but I'm really good at that):

We all have our own ways of watching and reacting to MUBB games. I am fortunate to be able to get over losses within 15 minutes or so (just the way I'm wired) but enjoy the wins for quite a while. I really do not understand the venting of rage on Scoop after a loss. To avoid a scoopcation, I will not expound upon this.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 10:24:51 AMGoing off-topic a bit (excuse the bragging, but I'm really good at that):

We all have our own ways of watching and reacting to MUBB games. I am fortunate to be able to get over losses within 15 minutes or so (just the way I'm wired) but enjoy the wins for quite a while. I really do not understand the venting of rage on Scoop after a loss. To avoid a scoopcation, I will not expound upon this.

I agree with this analysis

Quote from: The Sultan on March 29, 2025, 10:11:27 AMAs a bonus they can act all grumpy on Scoop for the next nine months.

As opposed to those three months when they are even grumpier.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 10:24:51 AMGoing off-topic a bit (excuse the bragging, but I'm really good at that):

We all have our own ways of watching and reacting to MUBB games. I am fortunate to be able to get over losses within 15 minutes or so (just the way I'm wired) but enjoy the wins for quite a while. I really do not understand the venting of rage on Scoop after a loss. To avoid a scoopcation, I will not expound upon this.

For me, it depends on how the loss was lost, the importance of it, etc. For example, the loss at Creighton in February wasn't exactly a shock and we never really had a chance to win the game, but our guys didn't pack it in either. So I got over my grumpiness pretty quickly. The loss to New America in an NCAAT game, I thought we made too many terrible mistakes and lost to a team we were better than, and it ended our season, so it took me a while. I didn't even look at Scoop for 48 hours, and that helped me get over it.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 10:24:51 AMGoing off-topic a bit (excuse the bragging, but I'm really good at that):

We all have our own ways of watching and reacting to MUBB games. I am fortunate to be able to get over losses within 15 minutes or so (just the way I'm wired) but enjoy the wins for quite a while. I really do not understand the venting of rage on Scoop after a loss. To avoid a scoopcation, I will not expound upon this.

I was raised on the Lions.  I was at MU during the Majerus/Dukiet era.  I spent a career walking into burning buildings and doing CPR. Losses are part of the journey and sports are not life and death.  Every fanbase but one ends every single season in every sport disappointed.  So, like you, I enjoy the wins and shake off the losses.
  And, having been a part of coaching 39 different youth teams, I also default to watching the process and being protective of the kids.

Quote from: MU82 on March 29, 2025, 12:50:04 PMFor me, it depends on how the loss was lost, the importance of it, etc. For example, the loss at Creighton in February wasn't exactly a shock and we never really had a chance to win the game, but our guys didn't pack it in either. So I got over my grumpiness pretty quickly. The loss to New America in an NCAAT game, I thought we made too many terrible mistakes and lost to a team we were better than, and it ended our season, so it took me a while. I didn't even look at Scoop for 48 hours, and that helped me get over it.

Just to be clear-I get that for some, maybe many, here that it takes quite a while. I hope I did not come across as holier-than-thou. If so, I apologize. That was not my intent. The rage (but not the disappointment) on scoop after a loss is what I find strange.

Agree we were the better team vs. NM, but from the tip-off on, we did not play like the better team. Not looking at Scoop for 48 hours was probably a good idea.

Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 12:57:35 PMI was raised on the Lions.  I was at MU during the Majerus/Dukiet era.  I spent a career walking into burning buildings and doing CPR. Losses are part of the journey and sports are not life and death.  Every fanbase but one ends every single season in every sport disappointed.  So, like you, I enjoy the wins and shake off the losses.
  And, having been a part of coaching 39 different youth teams, I also default to watching the process and being protective of the kids.

Your mention of burning buildings and CPR is significant in the sense that I have my own reasons for putting losses of MUBB in perspective. I will have a long, serious post after the tourney is over in the Superbar that will address perspective. It will not be pleasant reading, and it will be about the horrors that some people I have known have endured. It was not their intent, but they humbled me.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 12:59:29 PMJust to be clear-I get that for some, maybe many, here that it takes quite a while. I hope I did not come across as holier-than-thou. If so, I apologize. That was not my intent. The rage (but not the disappointment) on scoop after a loss is what I find strange.

Agree we were the better team vs. NM, but from the tip-off on, we did not play like the better team. Not looking at Scoop for 48 hours was probably a good idea.

I didn't take your post as being holier-than-thou at all. I looked at it as a conversation-starter, and it indeed started a conversation.

I should have added that I enjoy the wins immensely. There have been periods of frustration in each of Shaka's four seasons, including the last game of each year, but looking at the body of work I have really enjoyed Shaka's time at Marquette. For me, the single biggest positive has been that several of my best MU buddies - who had given up on Marquette hoops during the Wojo era - are now really into it again, and it has brought us together for trips to MU road games as well as for game-day text chains. They are funny and profane and just what the doctor ordered!

And I also am totally with you and tower about keeping things in perspective. Marquette hoops matters a lot, but so many things matter more.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 01:06:09 PMYour mention of burning buildings and CPR is significant in the sense that I have my own reasons for putting losses of MUBB in perspective. I will have a long, serious post after the tourney is over in the Superbar that will address perspective. It will not be pleasant reading, and it will be about the horrors that some people I have known have endured. It was not their intent, but they humbled me.

Wow, a cliffhanger

How much will Marquette get from this year's NCAA appearance?

Butler, GTown, DePaul or Nova could win 300k in NIL if they win the Crown.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 31, 2025, 04:44:27 PMHow much will Marquette get from this year's NCAA appearance?

Butler, GTown, DePaul or Nova could win 300k in NIL if they win the Crown.

How much will Marquette get? Nothing! We got knocked out in the first round as a #7 seed. Marquette has to pay the NCAA, not the other way around.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 31, 2025, 04:56:12 PMHow much will Marquette get? Nothing! We got knocked out in the first round as a #7 seed. Marquette has to pay the NCAA, not the other way around.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 31, 2025, 04:44:27 PMHow much will Marquette get from this year's NCAA appearance?

Butler, GTown, DePaul or Nova could win 300k in NIL if they win the Crown.

So that means Butler or DePaul could have a total of $300k in their NIl budgets next year...

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 31, 2025, 04:56:12 PMHow much will Marquette get? Nothing! We got knocked out in the first round as a #7 seed. Marquette has to pay the NCAA, not the other way around.

If I'm not mistaken, we'll get to share something from UCONN's, St. John's and Xavier's one tourney win each.

Quote from: BrewCity83 on April 01, 2025, 04:57:41 PMIf I'm not mistaken, we'll get to share something from UCONN's, St. John's and Xavier's one tourney win each.

Yeah, I know. It was a joke.

Interesting issue raised in The Athletic:

Despite Duke's team-wide apparel deal with Nike, could the program (or the NCAA) really do anything about it if Cooper Flagg insisted on wearing sneakers made by his sponsor New Balance on the court Saturday in the Final Four?

What are they going to do: Sit him? Sue him? Come on — neither. Flagg won't be the trailblazer, but someone else will be.

"The scenario you describe is real and will not be hypothetical for long," Michael O'Hara Lynch, former global head of sponsorship marketing at Visa, told me via email. "It's inevitable! No question in my mind that some player will soon test the school's ability to dictate what shoes they wear on the court, as well as other products/services they are now endorsing (drinks on the sidelines, etc.)."

 

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 01, 2025, 05:01:08 PMYeah, I know. It was a joke.

I knew you were joking--I was answering '69er's original question.  I should've quoted his post.

Former Villanova star Kris Jenkins, whose buzzer-beater helped the Wildcats to the 2016 NCAA Tournament title, is suing the NCAA and six major conferences for restricting athlete pay and his ability to monetize his name, image and likeness while he was in college.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6261720/2025/04/07/kris-jenkins-villanova-ncaa-nil-lawsuit/?

Jenkins' antitrust complaint was filed last week in the Southern District of New York. It names the Big East — along with the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC — as defendants. Those five conferences, along with the NCAA, were also named defendants in the House v. NCAA case.

Jenkins' lawsuit said he opted out of the House v. NCAA settlement, which is awaiting final approval from a federal judge in California. That hearing is scheduled for later Monday in Oakland, Calif., in front of U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken. Approval of the settlement would pave the way for nearly $2.8 billion in damages to be paid out to hundreds of thousands of former and current college athletes, plus the implementation of a new revenue-sharing system allowing schools to directly pay athletes.

Jenkins' lawsuit says he "formerly worked as a college basketball player at Villanova University." The South Carolina native, who went to high school in Washington, D.C., attended the Big East school from 2013 to 2017.

The lawsuit is similar to one filed last year by former Michigan quarterback Denard Robinson and several other ex-Wolverines that seeks more than $50 million from the Big Ten and NCAA for denying the athletes a chance to make money from sponsorship and endorsement deals.

Jenkins' 3-pointer in the closing seconds of the 2016 men's NCAA Tournament final against North Carolina gave Villanova a 77-74 victory and is considered one of the most memorable moments in the history of March Madness.

Jenkins' lawsuit does not seek a specific amount in damages, but it does lay out the millions in revenue Villanova, the Big East and the NCAA received from the tournament and the Wildcats' championship, as well as how "The Shot" is still monetized today.

The lawsuit said the video of the play is both the first and third-most viewed on the NCAA March Madness YouTube channel, "inundated with paid commercial content ..." It also said Jenkins and his teammates did "countless" autograph signings before and after his famous shot for donors, fans and collectors, but NCAA rules at the time banning athletes from receiving NIL compensation prevented him from cashing in. It estimates about $400,000 to $500,000 in lost earnings.

"Plaintiff Kris Jenkins seeks the compensation that he would have received absent Defendants' unlawful restraint on pay-for-play compensation, a share of game telecast revenue, and compensation that he would have received for media broadcast uses of his NIL ('BNIL'), and the compensation that he would have received for his NIL from third parties for use in video games and other opportunities including marketing, sponsorship, social media, branding, promotional and other NIL deals," the lawsuit says.

So I'm curious how far back players can keep suing before eventually people start considering the diminishing publicity college athletics had.

will the estate of George Mikan sue DePaul and the NCAA? Will they seek (and win) damages in today's money when it would've been pennies back then?

Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 11:31:49 AMFormer Villanova star Kris Jenkins, whose buzzer-beater helped the Wildcats to the 2016 NCAA Tournament title, is suing the NCAA and six major conferences for restricting athlete pay and his ability to monetize his name, image and likeness while he was in college.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6261720/2025/04/07/kris-jenkins-villanova-ncaa-nil-lawsuit/?

Jenkins' antitrust complaint was filed last week in the Southern District of New York. It names the Big East — along with the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC — as defendants. Those five conferences, along with the NCAA, were also named defendants in the House v. NCAA case.

Jenkins' lawsuit said he opted out of the House v. NCAA settlement, which is awaiting final approval from a federal judge in California. That hearing is scheduled for later Monday in Oakland, Calif., in front of U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken. Approval of the settlement would pave the way for nearly $2.8 billion in damages to be paid out to hundreds of thousands of former and current college athletes, plus the implementation of a new revenue-sharing system allowing schools to directly pay athletes.

Jenkins' lawsuit says he "formerly worked as a college basketball player at Villanova University." The South Carolina native, who went to high school in Washington, D.C., attended the Big East school from 2013 to 2017.

The lawsuit is similar to one filed last year by former Michigan quarterback Denard Robinson and several other ex-Wolverines that seeks more than $50 million from the Big Ten and NCAA for denying the athletes a chance to make money from sponsorship and endorsement deals.

Jenkins' 3-pointer in the closing seconds of the 2016 men's NCAA Tournament final against North Carolina gave Villanova a 77-74 victory and is considered one of the most memorable moments in the history of March Madness.

Jenkins' lawsuit does not seek a specific amount in damages, but it does lay out the millions in revenue Villanova, the Big East and the NCAA received from the tournament and the Wildcats' championship, as well as how "The Shot" is still monetized today.

The lawsuit said the video of the play is both the first and third-most viewed on the NCAA March Madness YouTube channel, "inundated with paid commercial content ..." It also said Jenkins and his teammates did "countless" autograph signings before and after his famous shot for donors, fans and collectors, but NCAA rules at the time banning athletes from receiving NIL compensation prevented him from cashing in. It estimates about $400,000 to $500,000 in lost earnings.

"Plaintiff Kris Jenkins seeks the compensation that he would have received absent Defendants' unlawful restraint on pay-for-play compensation, a share of game telecast revenue, and compensation that he would have received for media broadcast uses of his NIL ('BNIL'), and the compensation that he would have received for his NIL from third parties for use in video games and other opportunities including marketing, sponsorship, social media, branding, promotional and other NIL deals," the lawsuit says.

I gave my cousin, a Dodger fan, a Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale autographed baseball for his birthday. My freshman year was the last year the Braves played in Milwaukee. The last 3 games between the Braves and the Dodgers would decide the National League winner. All 3 games attendance was less than 5000. My roommate, who was from CA, and I got tickets right behind the Dodger dugout. Drysdale and Koufax gladly signed the balls for both of us for free and glad to do it. Times have changed but have to admit that was before free agency in baseball.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 08, 2025, 11:51:55 AMI gave my cousin, a Dodger fan, a Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale autographed baseball for his birthday. My freshman year was the last year the Braves played in Milwaukee. The last 3 games between the Braves and the Dodgers would decide the National League winner. All 3 games attendance was less than 5000. My roommate, who was from CA, and I got tickets right behind the Dodger dugout. Drysdale and Koufax gladly signed the balls for both of us for free and glad to do it. Times have changed but have to admit that was before free agency in baseball.

Uh...OK, cool.

Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 11:31:49 AMFormer Villanova star Kris Jenkins, whose buzzer-beater helped the Wildcats to the 2016 NCAA Tournament title, is suing the NCAA and six major conferences for restricting athlete pay and his ability to monetize his name, image and likeness while he was in college.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6261720/2025/04/07/kris-jenkins-villanova-ncaa-nil-lawsuit/?

Jenkins' antitrust complaint was filed last week in the Southern District of New York. It names the Big East — along with the ACC, Big Ten, Big 12, Pac-12 and SEC — as defendants. Those five conferences, along with the NCAA, were also named defendants in the House v. NCAA case.

Jenkins' lawsuit said he opted out of the House v. NCAA settlement, which is awaiting final approval from a federal judge in California. That hearing is scheduled for later Monday in Oakland, Calif., in front of U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken. Approval of the settlement would pave the way for nearly $2.8 billion in damages to be paid out to hundreds of thousands of former and current college athletes, plus the implementation of a new revenue-sharing system allowing schools to directly pay athletes.

Jenkins' lawsuit says he "formerly worked as a college basketball player at Villanova University." The South Carolina native, who went to high school in Washington, D.C., attended the Big East school from 2013 to 2017.

The lawsuit is similar to one filed last year by former Michigan quarterback Denard Robinson and several other ex-Wolverines that seeks more than $50 million from the Big Ten and NCAA for denying the athletes a chance to make money from sponsorship and endorsement deals.

Jenkins' 3-pointer in the closing seconds of the 2016 men's NCAA Tournament final against North Carolina gave Villanova a 77-74 victory and is considered one of the most memorable moments in the history of March Madness.

Jenkins' lawsuit does not seek a specific amount in damages, but it does lay out the millions in revenue Villanova, the Big East and the NCAA received from the tournament and the Wildcats' championship, as well as how "The Shot" is still monetized today.

The lawsuit said the video of the play is both the first and third-most viewed on the NCAA March Madness YouTube channel, "inundated with paid commercial content ..." It also said Jenkins and his teammates did "countless" autograph signings before and after his famous shot for donors, fans and collectors, but NCAA rules at the time banning athletes from receiving NIL compensation prevented him from cashing in. It estimates about $400,000 to $500,000 in lost earnings.

"Plaintiff Kris Jenkins seeks the compensation that he would have received absent Defendants' unlawful restraint on pay-for-play compensation, a share of game telecast revenue, and compensation that he would have received for media broadcast uses of his NIL ('BNIL'), and the compensation that he would have received for his NIL from third parties for use in video games and other opportunities including marketing, sponsorship, social media, branding, promotional and other NIL deals," the lawsuit says.

Life isn't always fair. Reminds me of people who say they want back pay for tuition every time student loan forgiveness is brought up. Might be time for Jenkins to get a job if basketball is no longer a viable option.

Quote from: CountryRoads on April 08, 2025, 12:47:50 PMLife isn't always fair. Reminds me of people who say they want back pay for tuition every time student loan forgiveness is brought up. Might be time for Jenkins to get a job if basketball is no longer a viable option.

Wierd analogy because they aren't really similar.

Quote from: The Sultan on April 08, 2025, 11:54:21 AMUh...OK, cool.

It was cool, very cool.

Quote from: The Sultan on April 08, 2025, 12:56:00 PMWierd analogy because they aren't really similar.

Wierd (sic) spelling, yo.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 08, 2025, 11:51:55 AMI gave my cousin, a Dodger fan, a Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale autographed baseball for his birthday. My freshman year was the last year the Braves played in Milwaukee. The last 3 games between the Braves and the Dodgers would decide the National League winner. All 3 games attendance was less than 5000. My roommate, who was from CA, and I got tickets right behind the Dodger dugout. Drysdale and Koufax gladly signed the balls for both of us for free and glad to do it. Times have changed but have to admit that was before free agency in baseball.

Once when I was the mascot a child asked me to autograph their legit Dwyane Wade jersey.  I looked to the kid's parent hoping they would stop me but they nodded yes.  Fifteen years later and I still think about how a Gold N. Eagle signature ruined a nice jersey.

I have no idea what any of this has to do with NIL money though.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 08, 2025, 11:51:55 AMI gave my cousin, a Dodger fan, a Sandy Koufax and Don Drysdale autographed baseball for his birthday. My freshman year was the last year the Braves played in Milwaukee. The last 3 games between the Braves and the Dodgers would decide the National League winner. All 3 games attendance was less than 5000. My roommate, who was from CA, and I got tickets right behind the Dodger dugout. Drysdale and Koufax gladly signed the balls for both of us for free and glad to do it. Times have changed but have to admit that was before free agency in baseball.

I like homemade guac and good tortilla chips, especially with a nice craft beer.

Quote from: The Sultan on April 08, 2025, 12:56:00 PMWierd analogy because they aren't really similar.

Hmm maybe not. He should have raised that concern when he signed his NLI where he agreed to follow the NCAA amateurism rules at the time. Hope he loses and gets nothing.

Quote from: CountryRoads on April 08, 2025, 02:02:57 PMHmm maybe not. He should have raised that concern when he signed his NLI where he agreed to follow the NCAA amateurism rules at the time. Hope he loses and gets nothing.

Even weirder. He wasn't able to earn income. That's the point.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 08, 2025, 01:29:38 PMOnce when I was the mascot a child asked me to autograph their legit Dwyane Wade jersey.  I looked to the kid's parent hoping they would stop me but they nodded yes.  Fifteen years later and I still think about how a Gold N. Eagle signature ruined a nice jersey.

I have no idea what any of this has to do with NIL money though.

It's relevant that today's athletes are out there for the buck. Koufax and Drysdale were happy to just play the sport they loved and made a decent living at it. Like I said that was before free agency, but Koufax and Dysdale did not go to court to sue the Dodgers or MLB after Curt Flood won his case. There is this attitude of entitlement that I didn't get mine because the rules did not allow me to make money at the time. Are all the past Marquette plyers going to sue Marquette because they didn't get theirs? There was a certain humility sport figures of the past had and were grateful to the sport to make a living they would not otherwise obtain.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 08, 2025, 02:49:10 PMIt's relevant that today's athletes are out there for the buck. Koufax and Drysdale were happy to just play the sport they loved and made a decent living at it. Like I said that was before free agency, but Koufax and Dysdale did not go to court to sue the Dodgers or MLB after Curt Flood won his case. There is this attitude of entitlement that I didn't get mine because the rules did not allow me to make money at the time. Are all the past Marquette plyers going to sue Marquette because they didn't get theirs? There was a certain humility sport figures of the past had and were grateful to the sport to make a living they would not otherwise obtain.

Oh give me a break. Guess what? Players can enjoy playing the sport AND get paid.

If the suit isn't legit, he will lose.

When I was a kid, my dad took me to Ace Hardware. Manny Trillo was there signing autographs. He signed a ball for me, then yelled something at me in Spanish with a paper coffee cup hanging out of his mouth. I was terrified.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 08, 2025, 02:49:10 PMIt's relevant that today's athletes are out there for the buck. Koufax and Drysdale were happy to just play the sport they loved and made a decent living at it. Like I said that was before free agency, but Koufax and Dysdale did not go to court to sue the Dodgers or MLB after Curt Flood won his case. There is this attitude of entitlement that I didn't get mine because the rules did not allow me to make money at the time. Are all the past Marquette plyers going to sue Marquette because they didn't get theirs? There was a certain humility sport figures of the past had and were grateful to the sport to make a living they would not otherwise obtain.

And women didn't wear trousers

Quote from: BrewCity83 on April 01, 2025, 04:57:41 PMIf I'm not mistaken, we'll get to share something from UCONN's, St. John's and Xavier's one tourney win each.

It depends on the Big East's distribution formula (some do equal splits, some give a majority to the school that earned the unit). Every school selected earns their conference a unit, so on selection alone the BE earned 5 units. The four teams that won games (including X) earned an additional four units, so the BE will have nine units at approximately $2 million each, so around $18 million to split among the membership under a formula determined by the conference. 

I know one thing. Jenkins should get money for the NCAA Tournament showing the shot he hit hundreds of times a year during March Madness.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 08, 2025, 02:49:10 PMIt's relevant that today's athletes are out there for the buck. Koufax and Drysdale were happy to just play the sport they loved and made a decent living at it.

Koufax and Drysdale were interesting choices for your diatriabe. In 1966, they staged what was, at the time, the most famous holdout in history of professional sports. Why? Because they were NOT willing to just play the sports they loved without being fairly compensated.

https://www.theskippersview.com/p/baseballs-first-big-holdout

The holdout lasted for several weeks, with both sides refusing to budge. Koufax and Drysdale were willing to sit out the entire season if necessary, and the Dodgers were not ready to give in to their demands. The standoff was front-page news across the country, and fans were divided on who was in the right. This being one of the first major holdouts in baseball history many were against the players. ...

Koufax and Drysdale's holdout was a turning point in baseball history. It showed that players had power and could use it to demand better pay and working conditions. It also set the stage for the rise of free agency, which would transform the sport in the coming years.

Speaking of NIL money, JT Toppin back to Texas Tech at $4 mil per Matt Norlander.

Quote from: The Sultan on April 08, 2025, 02:56:21 PMOh give me a break. Guess what? Players can enjoy playing the sport AND get paid.

If the suit isn't legit, he will lose.

Yep, he is going to lose.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 09, 2025, 12:18:43 PMSpeaking of NIL money, JT Toppin back to Texas Tech at $4 mil per Matt Norlander.

Damn, Unk ... that's almost twice your annual haul as Scoop's leading raconteur.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 09, 2025, 12:18:43 PMSpeaking of NIL money, JT Toppin back to Texas Tech at $4 mil per Matt Norlander.

MU'S BTD's entire budget.

Are we seeing any schools pool multiple years of money to make a serious run every couple of years?  It seems like there would be strategy there with the transfer portal being what it is?

BTD was funded by donations.  Can't pool what isn't there yet.  And there is a whole new version that may or may not be starting.   So many things still TBD.  The only constant will be change.

People are saying that the Scoop Collective has $10 mil in its coffers.

Good, MU will have money to sign projects!

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 09, 2025, 08:48:14 PMGood, MU will have money to sign projects!

Sucks MU will not be interested in your polished 6th grade grandson as he's the top ranked WI recruit.  Too good for Shaka.

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 09, 2025, 08:48:14 PMGood, MU will have money to sign projects!

Because in 4 years, Shaka has only recruited projects.

Hopefully you'll eventually get over the fact that Marquette didn't get Gard or Moser or whichever other multiple-NCAA-title coach you wanted.

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 09, 2025, 08:48:14 PMGood, MU will have money to sign projects!

But we got that preferred walk-on that you said would have an impact.

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 09, 2025, 08:48:14 PMGood, MU will have money to sign projects!

I'm hoping some money will be set aside to recruit Scoopers who will improve the forum. Then scoopers who "like to whine" can find other ways to be masochists.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 09, 2025, 12:18:43 PMSpeaking of NIL money, JT Toppin back to Texas Tech at $4 mil per Matt Norlander.

So much for the notion that football schools can't afford NIL for basketball players.

Quote from: The Equalizer on April 10, 2025, 08:44:13 AMSo much for the notion that football schools can't afford NIL for basketball players.

I think that theory is regarding the landscape after the House settlement so this year doesnt apply.

That being said,  I think theory will be proven incorrect

Rob Dauster from F of 68 made a comment that Tech Tex is "paying J.T. Toppin more than Marquette's entire NIL payroll."

Now, I have no idea if this is true, but it's worth discussing.  What I do know is clearly teams (like Whisky) are just opening up a check book and giving kids bags of cash. 

Quote from: tower912 on April 09, 2025, 06:24:14 PMMU'S BTD's entire budget.

That's what I just heard, but I don't know if it's accurate. 

Quote from: MuggsyB on April 14, 2025, 06:32:49 AMRob Dauster from F of 68 made a comment that Tech Tex is "paying J.T. Toppin more than Marquette's entire NIL payroll."

Now, I have no idea if this is true, but it's worth discussing.  What I do know is clearly teams (like Whisky) are just opening up a check book and giving kids bags of cash. 

Yes. Why hasn't Marquette's NIL budget been discussed before? It's a mystery.

Quote from: The Sultan on April 14, 2025, 07:46:39 AMYes. Why hasn't Marquette's NIL budget been discussed before? It's a mystery.

It's more then that!

Quote from: MuggsyB on April 14, 2025, 06:32:49 AMRob Dauster from F of 68 made a comment that Tech Tex is "paying J.T. Toppin more than Marquette's entire NIL payroll."

Now, I have no idea if this is true, but it's worth discussing.  What I do know is clearly teams (like Whisky) are just opening up a check book and giving kids bags of cash. 

While I'm not sure it's true, this is why I become frustrated with people b1tching about Shaka and the portal. 

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 08, 2025, 02:49:10 PMIt's relevant that today's athletes are out there for the buck. Koufax and Drysdale were happy to just play the sport they loved and made a decent living at it. Like I said that was before free agency, but Koufax and Dysdale did not go to court to sue the Dodgers or MLB after Curt Flood won his case.

First, Curt Flood did not win his case. He lost because baseball has a legal antitrust exemption. Second, the Flood case happened long after Koufax and Drysdale were retired. Mr. Flood's litigation was initiated in late 1969, after he had been traded to Philadelphia. Mr. Koufax retired after the 1966 season and Mr. Drysdale after 1968.

Thirdly, as Brother MU notes, Meessrs. Koufax and Drysdale certainly cared about money. Their joint holdout against Walter O'Malley, aka, Whalebelly, who then owned the Dodgers, was a legendary moment in baseball. Both were attractive to Hollywood and were jointly pursuing acting gigs when ole Whalebelly came to his senses.

The Dodgers won the World Series in 1965. They never would have even sniffed a pennant race without Koufax and Drysdale.

The Koufax/Drysdale joint holdout scared the owners almost as much as Ted Simmons, Andy Messersmith and Dave McNally did. The owners realized the potential power of joint action by the star players against the team. Marvin Miller and the MLBPA also noticed the potential! It was the beginning of the end of the reserve clause.

Quote from: avid1010 on April 14, 2025, 09:24:13 AMWhile I'm not sure it's true, this is why I become frustrated with people b1tching about Shaka and the portal. 

Especially scoopers who want 4 bangers added to this coming season's team.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 14, 2025, 11:10:43 AMEspecially scoopers who want 4 bangers added to this coming season's team.

4  ::)

Quote from: avid1010 on April 14, 2025, 09:24:13 AMWhile I'm not sure it's true, this is why I become frustrated with people b1tching about Shaka and the portal. 

From everything that is going on in the college world, it's quite possible this is true.

Quote from: dgies9156 on April 14, 2025, 10:36:35 AMFirst, Curt Flood did not win his case. He lost because baseball has a legal antitrust exemption. Second, the Flood case happened long after Koufax and Drysdale were retired. Mr. Flood's litigation was initiated in late 1969, after he had been traded to Philadelphia. Mr. Koufax retired after the 1966 season and Mr. Drysdale after 1968.

Thirdly, as Brother MU notes, Meessrs. Koufax and Drysdale certainly cared about money. Their joint holdout against Walter O'Malley, aka, Whalebelly, who then owned the Dodgers, was a legendary moment in baseball. Both were attractive to Hollywood and were jointly pursuing acting gigs when ole Whalebelly came to his senses.

The Dodgers won the World Series in 1965. They never would have even sniffed a pennant race without Koufax and Drysdale.

The Koufax/Drysdale joint holdout scared the owners almost as much as Ted Simmons, Andy Messersmith and Dave McNally did. The owners realized the potential power of joint action by the star players against the team. Marvin Miller and the MLBPA also noticed the potential! It was the beginning of the end of the reserve clause.

Sure, who does not care about money especially when after your efforts won your organization a championship. If it was all about the money I don't think they would have signed four baseballs for free to two strangers, unlike athletes today

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 14, 2025, 01:04:08 PMSure, who does not care about money especially when after your efforts won your organization a championship. If it was all about the money I don't think they would have signed four baseballs for free to two strangers, unlike athletes today

Let's not paint with too broad a brush here.

Quote from: The Sultan on April 14, 2025, 01:11:10 PMLet's not paint with too broad a brush here.

OK, famous athletes today.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 14, 2025, 01:20:53 PMOK, famous athletes today.

Plenty of athletes sign like players of yore used to

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 14, 2025, 01:04:08 PMSure, who does not care about money especially when after your efforts won your organization a championship. If it was all about the money I don't think they would have signed four baseballs for free to two strangers, unlike athletes today

That's dopey.

I was at a Giants spring training game last year, and some of the players signed for 15-20 minutes, including many of their top guys. Some athletes don't sign autographs but give hours of their time and/or millions of dollars to charities. My wife was an RN at the Charlotte children's hospital and used to tell me every time Panthers and Hornets players visited - and it was often, and it included many of the stars. (Newton, McCaffrey, Stewart, Thompson, Kuechly, Davis, Olsen, Kemba, Biyombo, Zeller and a few others were especially generous with their time.) That means a lot more to those families than a freakin' autograph.

Billy Martin got into fist fights with fans, which obviously "proves" that players back then cared more about money than today's players do, right?

Look, you made a claim about Drysdale and Koufax and were proven wrong by multiple Scoopers. Just admit it and move on without trashing all of today's athletes as bad people.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 14, 2025, 11:10:43 AMEspecially scoopers who want 4 bangers added to this coming season's team.

Stop propagating a false narrative.  I never stated "4 bangers"  Cut the complete nonsense. 

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 14, 2025, 01:04:08 PMSure, who does not care about money especially when after your efforts won your organization a championship. If it was all about the money I don't think they would have signed four baseballs for free to two strangers, unlike athletes today

Unlike athletes today? Do you think most of today's athletes won't occasionally sign things for free?

Quote from: MuggsyB on April 14, 2025, 05:03:02 PMStop propagating a false narrative.  I never stated "4 bangers"  Cut the complete nonsense. 

It's just alternative facts not a false narrative.

Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 15, 2025, 09:20:22 AMIt's just alternative facts not a false narrative.

I'm going to have to start using the alternative facts dialougue when certain family members say "maybe it's just your news channel" when we talk about the deportation of US citizens that they deny. Lol

I don't know anything about Marquette's NIL situation, but what does the board think about funding a majority of the NIL money to a pass first 5* PG year in and years out?

Once everyone knows Marquette as a school which always has a great PG, the 3* and 4* wings and bigs may want to play with the 5* PG to have a better shot at getting drafted.

IDK just seems like a good stretegy if you are limited on funds. Interested to know the board's thoughts.

Quote from: speri on April 15, 2025, 04:23:38 PMI don't know anything about Marquette's NIL situation, but what does the board think about funding a majority of the NIL money to a pass first 5* PG year in and years out?

Once everyone knows Marquette as a school which always has a great PG, the 3* and 4* wings and bigs may want to play with the 5* PG to have a better shot at getting drafted.

IDK just seems like a good stretegy if you are limited on funds. Interested to know the board's thoughts.

I'd rather keep our structure and recruit a 4 star pass first pg like Nigel James.........We are already getting good 3-4 star wings.

Having most of the money go to one player( especially a freshman) seems like a recipe for chemistry issues.

5 star PGs are rarely truly pass first.  Most get in the lane like Sean, pass like TKo and shoot like Markus.  And then, after a season, they are gone.

Oh God. "Pass first point guard" time.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 14, 2025, 11:27:09 PMUnlike athletes today? Do you think most of today's athletes won't occasionally sign things for free?

"Things" perhaps like a card, but not baseballs.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 15, 2025, 05:37:37 PM"Things" perhaps like a card, but not baseballs.

I have a couple of signed baseballs that say otherwise

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 15, 2025, 05:37:37 PM"Things" perhaps like a card, but not baseballs.

Many players won't sign balls for adults because they know there's a good chance it'll sooner or later - often sooner - wind up on eBay or some other auction site. Good for them, I say.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 15, 2025, 05:37:37 PM"Things" perhaps like a card, but not baseballs.

This is patently false

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 15, 2025, 05:37:37 PM"Things" perhaps like a card, but not baseballs.

1. You're wrong.

2. Even if you were right (which you're not) ... so what? Do you honestly judge whether an athlete is a good person or bad person or "money-first" person based on whether he or she signs a lot of autographs?

Aaron Hernandez signed lots of autographs.

(Actually, I have no idea if that's true, but since when do facts matter?)

Quote from: tower912 on April 15, 2025, 04:42:41 PM5 star PGs are rarely truly pass first.  Most get in the lane like Sean, pass like TKo and shoot like Markus.  And then, after a season, they are gone.

Hardly anybody passes like Kolek

Quote from: MuggsyB on April 14, 2025, 06:32:49 AMRob Dauster from F of 68 made a comment that Tech Tex is "paying J.T. Toppin more than Marquette's entire NIL payroll."

Now, I have no idea if this is true, but it's worth discussing.  What I do know is clearly teams (like Whisky) are just opening up a check book and giving kids bags of cash. 

The internet guys LOVE to say stuff like this because they know Marquette's fan base is rabid and it drives engagement.  Which is what they need to get clicks and likes, and drive the sponsorships to them. 

Apparently, there is a $10 million club.  Big names, big schools.  One big east rival.   Another being in the $8 million club.  And if you don't have $4 million for 25-26 you are underfunded.   Per Norlander at cbssports. 

A few weeks ago the Milwaukee JS online had an article that UWM was trying to double their NIL fund to $200,000. In todays college basketball world what would that buy?

Quote from: MU1in77 on April 18, 2025, 01:18:26 PMA few weeks ago the Milwaukee JS online had an article that UWM was trying to double their NIL fund to $200,000. In todays college basketball world what would that buy?

The Marquette roster according to some

Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 18, 2025, 01:21:19 PMThe Marquette roster according to some

$200K too much, in my opinion.

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/

Quote from: wadesworld on April 18, 2025, 01:29:26 PM$200K too much, in my opinion.

Every player on MU makes more then that!

Source?

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 18, 2025, 04:01:36 PMEvery player on MU makes more then that!

They should be entertaining me for free.

Quote from: wadesworld on April 18, 2025, 04:12:20 PMThey should be entertaining me for free.

They get free school and room

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 18, 2025, 04:01:36 PMEvery player on MU makes more then that!

Duh. MU education is worth millions (excluding liberal arts)

Quote from: MU1in77 on April 18, 2025, 01:18:26 PMA few weeks ago the Milwaukee JS online had an article that UWM was trying to double their NIL fund to $200,000. In todays college basketball world what would that buy?

Two hours at the Bellagio if you know what you're doing.

Quote from: tower912 on April 18, 2025, 04:11:57 PMSource?

None of your damn business. BC said it. That's good enough for me, and it should be for you too.

Quote from: tower912 on April 18, 2025, 04:11:57 PMSource?

Maybe somebody who runs the COLLECTIVE!

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 18, 2025, 04:54:55 PMNone of your damn business. BC said it. That's good enough for me, and it should be for you too.

Thanks for your support!

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 18, 2025, 08:56:58 PMMaybe somebody who runs the COLLECTIVE!

Wait. Shaka doesn't pay these guys out of his own pocket? What is he getting paid so much for then?

Quote from: MuMark on April 18, 2025, 01:40:49 PMhttps://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/

The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos

Matt Norlander, CBS Sports – April 17, 2025

QuoteMore than 2,000 men's Division I basketball athletes entered the portal in the past three-plus weeks (it closes April 22).  What is driving the overwhelming number of these transfers is money, money, money ... and more money.

Five years ago, more than 4,400 Division I men's basketball players were legally and collectively paid a grand total of $0 in NIL earnings. That number is now promised to be in the hundreds of millions.

There are at least 8 teams that will have a $10,000,000+ roster in college basketball next season, per @247Sports sources.

Eight will prove to be too thin a crowd for college basketball's $10 million club. Based on a variety of sources, schools believed to be operating in the realm of this golden tier are:

Arkansas
BYU
Duke
Indiana
Kentucky
Louisville
Michigan
North Carolina
St. John's
Texas Tech
 
These programs either have $10 million committed already or are easily capable of reaching that total in roster-building efforts by the end of this year's transfer cycle. They are 2025's whales of the portal, loading up on most of the priciest players and drastically inflating the market in the process.

There's another group of schools a rung below this. Don't cry for these guys, as they're still hitting at least a hearty $8 million if required. This includes (but is not exclusive to) Auburn, Connecticut, Florida, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Miami, Purdue, Tennessee, Texas, UCLA, USC, Villanova, Virginia, and still a few more trying to get there in the coming weeks.

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Quote from: MuMark on April 18, 2025, 01:40:49 PMhttps://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/

Matt Norlander goes on to tell the Koby Brea story. I stand corrected – Kentucky paid Koby $1.2 million for last season

QuoteThe coach quoted above had been recruiting a mid-major player who wasn't even top-three on his team in scoring. Nevertheless, this coach liked what he saw and thought the player could transfer up and maybe fight his way into the starting lineup. His school offered the player north of $500,000 — more than the coaching staff wanted, but bidding wars lead to some strange recruiting tributaries.

They didn't get the player.

A competing school swiftly came over the top and signed him for $1 million. (Another coach I checked in with to verify the story claimed the number is in fact $1.2 million.) The player was so bowled over by the offer, he signed a contract even before eventually calling and telling the other school what he'd done.

"I could hear it in his voice, just how shocked he was by the amount of money they were promising him," the coach who lost out said.

A role player on a mid-major that failed to make the NCAA Tournament will be paid at least $1 million next season. That's where we're at in college hoops. It's just one amazing story out of hundreds being swapped across the sport these days.

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on March 25, 2025, 10:20:23 AMWhat a difference a year makes – Post #23

I'll start by introducing you to Koby Brea – a totally unknown, unscouted, unrahked high school senior five years ago, who received only one Division I basketball scholarship offer – from Coach Anthony Grant.

Koby Brea Recruiting Profile (HS Class of 2020) (https://247sports.com/player/koby-brea-46148991/high-school-313381/) – 247 Sports

Koby Brea Bio (https://daytonflyers.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/koby-brea/14230) – Dayton Flyers official website

Koby rarely, if ever, was in the Flyers' starting line-up during his injury-plagued four seasons at Dayton. His injuries hampered his lateral movement, so he was a defensive liability, but kept working to improve his strength and mobility.

Last summer it was learned (from multiple sources in UD's wealthy benefactor / NIL syndicate) that the Kentucky's wealthy benefactor / NIL syndicate had offered Koby $1 million to play is fifth season at Kentucky.  Dayton's NIL syndicate (not nearly as rich as Kentucky's) could only come up with $500,000 fo the 2024-25 season, so they wished Koby well, as he now had a fiancée and child to support.

Kentucky Lands Koby Brea; Dayton Transfer Considered Duke, UNC, More (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10119445-kentucky-lands-koby-brea-dayton-transfer-considered-duke-unc-more) – Bleacher Report – May 2, 2024
Koby Brea Bio (https://ukathletics.com/sports/mbball/roster/player/koby-brea/) – Kentucky Wildcats official website

Koby Brea Career Stats (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/gamelog/_/id/4591259/koby-brea) – ESPN – updated March 24, 2025

As things turned out, Kentucky is getting their money's worth.
 
The moral of this story is highly relevant to the Big East conference, as well as the other triple-A conferences:

If P4 programs such as Kentucky can afford to pay $1 million per season for a Dayton Flyers' reserve player, they can afford to buy most players on Big East rosters, and the situation will only become worse in the future, as the P4 conferences are widening the gap over triple-A conferences in both the accumulation of NCAA Tournament 'credits' for wins, and the value of TV media rights contracts between the P4 conferences and triple-A conferences is widening each year. They're going to have a lot of money to spend in the years ahead, and that's a direct threat to Big East and the other triple-A conferences.

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Quote from: BCHoopster on April 18, 2025, 08:56:58 PMMaybe somebody who runs the COLLECTIVE!

Doubt it. That would have taken out the entire budget for 2024 and left nothing for WBB.If you knew that person he would confirm.

Given that two of the 11 Big East schools are already in the $8 million club (per Norlander), and several others (including Marquette) also have multimillion-dollar NIL budgets, Flyer should focus on his mid-major conference rather than obsess about the league that doesn't want his lame-azz school.

Quote from: 79Warrior on April 19, 2025, 01:19:58 PMDoubt it. That would have taken out the entire budget for 2024 and left nothing for WBB.If you knew that person he would confirm.

Why

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 18, 2025, 08:56:58 PMMaybe somebody who runs the COLLECTIVE!

Or maybe not.
I believe 79Warrior. 

Quote from: tower912 on April 19, 2025, 02:04:19 PMOr maybe not.

I would say your wrong, totally

Quote from: MU82 on April 19, 2025, 01:44:00 PMGiven that two of the 11 Big East schools are already in the $8 million club (per Norlander), and several others (including Marquette) also have multimillion-dollar NIL budgets, Flyer should focus on his mid-major conference rather than obsess about the league that doesn't want his lame-azz school.

Trying to lure us to the A10.

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 19, 2025, 02:07:43 PMI would say your wrong, totally

Incredible.

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 19, 2025, 01:13:53 PM The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos

Matt Norlander, CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
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Matt Norlander goes on to tell the Koby Brea story. I stand corrected – Kentucky paid Koby $1.2 million for last season

Thanks. Read about 1/20th of this post. More than most of yours.

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 19, 2025, 01:13:53 PM The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos

Matt Norlander, CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
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Matt Norlander goes on to tell the Koby Brea story. I stand corrected – Kentucky paid Koby $1.2 million for last season

Are your maladjusted antisocial tendencies due to that of a berserk pituitary gland?

Quote from: BCHoopster on April 19, 2025, 02:00:38 PMWhy

If you knew why you would not be asking because you have a great source.

Spot. On.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/college-basketballs-lawless-cesspool-transfer-portal-must-fixed

Quote from: warriorchick on April 19, 2025, 09:28:55 PMSpot. On.

https://www.foxsports.com/stories/college-basketball/college-basketballs-lawless-cesspool-transfer-portal-must-fixed

Here's the paragraph that caught my eye:

This sport has fought through the one-and-done rule, the period where one could go straight from high school to the pros, the G League trying to take players from the college ranks and much more.

There's always some disaster that is going to "kill" college basketball. Portal/NIL is just the latest theoretical murderer.

Remember when NBA prospects were going to New Zealand to play for a year to get paid peanuts to show off their skills against the pros?

Seems like that isn't necessary anymore so that's good

Quote from: DoctorV on April 20, 2025, 11:34:20 AMRemember when NBA prospects were going to New Zealand to play for a year to get paid peanuts to show off their skills against the pros?

Seems like that isn't necessary anymore so that's good

Now New Zealand sends their NBA prospects to MU to get paid peanuts and show off their skills against the pros.

Quote from: MU82 on April 20, 2025, 10:51:08 AMHere's the paragraph that caught my eye:

This sport has fought through the one-and-done rule, the period where one could go straight from high school to the pros, the G League trying to take players from the college ranks and much more.

There's always some disaster that is going to "kill" college basketball. Portal/NIL is just the latest theoretical murderer.

Honestly I don't even know what Fanta's point was. It just seemed to be a stream of consciousness more than anything else.

Quote from: MU82 on April 20, 2025, 10:51:08 AMHere's the paragraph that caught my eye:

This sport has fought through the one-and-done rule, the period where one could go straight from high school to the pros, the G League trying to take players from the college ranks and much more.

There's always some disaster that is going to "kill" college basketball. Portal/NIL is just the latest theoretical murderer.

I think only 40+ players actually went pro from high school and could no longer play in college, the same can be said for those who went the G league route. Today you have players signing with schools and then de-commit and can change teams from one season to the next. That has a far greater impact on the college game than one and done or going to the G league the NIL money notwithstanding. Will the college game survive? Only if the football schools can make money from it.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 20, 2025, 05:31:57 PMI think only 40+ players actually went pro from high school and could no longer play in college, the same can be said for those who went the G league route. Today you have players signing with schools and then de-commit and can change teams from one season to the next. That has a far greater impact on the college game than one and done or going to the G league the NIL money notwithstanding. Will the college game survive? Only if the football schools can make money from it.

College basketball will be fine.

Quote from: The Sultan on April 20, 2025, 12:46:17 PMHonestly I don't even know what Fanta's point was. It just seemed to be a stream of consciousness more than anything else.

Wellllll you've figured out Fanta.

Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 19, 2025, 02:44:05 PMTrying to lure us to the A10.

Not at all. The A10 sucks, as you already know. We even cheat:

NCAA hits Fordham hard for violations including giving recruits tickets to Giants, Knicks and Nets games (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-hits-fordham-hard-for-violations-including-giving-recruits-tickets-to-giants-knicks-and-nets-games/) - CBS Sports - April 23, 2025

QuoteThe NCAA on Tuesday levied stiff penalties including three years of probation against the Fordham men's basketball program over "impermissible benefits" provided to prospective athletes on official recruiting visits and what the NCAA said was a failure on Fordham's part to monitor its program.

The ruling from the NCAA called for Fordham to vacate all 41 wins across the 2021-22 and 2022-23 seasons, serve three years of probation and pay a $35,000 fine -- plus 2% of the men's basketball budget. Former Fordham coach Keith Urgo, under whom the improprieties took place, was also hit with a two-year show-cause penalty for "violating ethical conduct rules and head coach responsibility rules." Urgo was fired by Fordham in March.

The expenses also included Jet Ski rentals and tickets to Knicks, Nets and Giants games as well as tickets to the U.S. Open Tennis Championships. "They were treating me like I was some criminal, literally like I had broken some laws," Urgo told The Post.

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 25, 2025, 01:26:12 PMNot at all. The A10 sucks, as you already know. We even cheat:

NCAA hits Fordham hard for violations including giving recruits tickets to Giants, Knicks and Nets games (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-hits-fordham-hard-for-violations-including-giving-recruits-tickets-to-giants-knicks-and-nets-games/) - CBS Sports - April 23, 2025

I don't care about this. What I really want to know is what your opinions are regarding the portal system and whether or not Shaka made a mistake by not taking any transfers in to improve the team. Please post in the 2025 Transfer Portal thread. Thanks!

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 25, 2025, 01:26:12 PMNot at all. The A10 sucks, as you already know. We even cheat:

NCAA hits Fordham hard for violations including giving recruits tickets to Giants, Knicks and Nets games (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-hits-fordham-hard-for-violations-including-giving-recruits-tickets-to-giants-knicks-and-nets-games/) - CBS Sports - April 23, 2025

Dayton sucks

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 25, 2025, 01:26:12 PMNot at all. The A10 sucks, as you already know. We even cheat:

NCAA hits Fordham hard for violations including giving recruits tickets to Giants, Knicks and Nets games (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/ncaa-hits-fordham-hard-for-violations-including-giving-recruits-tickets-to-giants-knicks-and-nets-games/) - CBS Sports - April 23, 2025

This guy's still posting here?

Quote from: wadesworld on April 25, 2025, 02:01:33 PMThis guy's still posting here?

Apparently, all three Dayton basketball fans have already discussed everything there is to discuss about the state of Flyers basketball amongst themselves, so naturally, they're out seeking something more interesting from the outside world.

Quote from: BrewCity83 on April 25, 2025, 03:31:14 PMApparently, all three Dayton basketball fans have already discussed everything there is to discuss about the state of Flyers basketball amongst themselves, so naturally, they're out seeking something more interesting from the outside world.

I kind of feel for the guy (pawz). Imagine if Dayton was your alma mater. Yuck.

Interesting, but not surprising:

The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025

There are at least 8 teams that will have a $10,000,000+ roster in college basketball next season:

    St. John's
    Michigan
    Louisville
    Kentucky
    Indiana
    North Carolina
    Texas Tech
    BYU
    Duke
    Arkansas
    
2025 Transfer Basketball Team Rankings (https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferteamrankings/) – CBS / 247Sports – updated Sunday April 27, 2025

    1. St. John's
    2. Michigan
    3. Louisville
    4. Kentucky
    7. Indiana
  16. North Carolina
  20. Texas Tech
  27. BYU
   
College basketball rankings: Top 25 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44800877/mens-college-basketball-top-25-rankings-transfer-portal-2025-2026) - Jeff Borzello, ESPN - April 23, 2025

    3. St. John's
    4. Texas Tech
    5. Louisville
    7. BYU
    8. Michigan
    9. Arkansas
  10. Kentucky
  11. Duke
  22. North Carolina

College basketball rankings: Top 25 And 1 (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-transfer-class-fuels-st-johns-rise-to-no-2-as-unc-falls-from-top-25-and-1/) - Gary Parrish, CBS Sports - April 24, 2025

    2. St. John's
    5. BYU
    6. Texas Tech
    7. Michigan
  10. Kentucky
  12. Louisville
  13. Duke
  19. Arkansas

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 27, 2025, 08:19:54 PMInteresting, but not surprising:

The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025

There are at least 8 teams that will have a $10,000,000+ roster in college basketball next season:

    St. John's
    Michigan
    Louisville
    Kentucky
    Indiana
    North Carolina
    Texas Tech
    BYU
    Duke
    Arkansas
    
2025 Transfer Basketball Team Rankings (https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferteamrankings/) – CBS / 247Sports – updated Sunday April 27, 2025

    1. St. John's
    2. Michigan
    3. Louisville
    4. Kentucky
    7. Indiana
  16. North Carolina
  20. Texas Tech
  27. BYU
   
College basketball rankings: Top 25 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44800877/mens-college-basketball-top-25-rankings-transfer-portal-2025-2026) - Jeff Borzello, ESPN - April 23, 2025

    3. St. John's
    4. Texas Tech
    5. Louisville
    7. BYU
    8. Michigan
    9. Arkansas
  10. Kentucky
  11. Duke
  22. North Carolina

College basketball rankings: Top 25 And 1 (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-transfer-class-fuels-st-johns-rise-to-no-2-as-unc-falls-from-top-25-and-1/) - Gary Parrish, CBS Sports - April 24, 2025

    2. St. John's
    5. BYU
    6. Texas Tech
    7. Michigan
  10. Kentucky
  12. Louisville
  13. Duke
  19. Arkansas

Okay.

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 27, 2025, 08:19:54 PMInteresting, but not surprising:

The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025

There are at least 8 teams that will have a $10,000,000+ roster in college basketball next season:

    St. John's
    Michigan
    Louisville
    Kentucky
    Indiana
    North Carolina
    Texas Tech
    BYU
    Duke
    Arkansas
    
2025 Transfer Basketball Team Rankings (https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferteamrankings/) – CBS / 247Sports – updated Sunday April 27, 2025

    1. St. John's
    2. Michigan
    3. Louisville
    4. Kentucky
    7. Indiana
  16. North Carolina
  20. Texas Tech
  27. BYU
   
College basketball rankings: Top 25 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44800877/mens-college-basketball-top-25-rankings-transfer-portal-2025-2026) - Jeff Borzello, ESPN - April 23, 2025

    3. St. John's
    4. Texas Tech
    5. Louisville
    7. BYU
    8. Michigan
    9. Arkansas
  10. Kentucky
  11. Duke
  22. North Carolina

College basketball rankings: Top 25 And 1 (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-transfer-class-fuels-st-johns-rise-to-no-2-as-unc-falls-from-top-25-and-1/) - Gary Parrish, CBS Sports - April 24, 2025

    2. St. John's
    5. BYU
    6. Texas Tech
    7. Michigan
  10. Kentucky
  12. Louisville
  13. Duke
  19. Arkansas

Why are you still posting here?

He gets a reaction.

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 27, 2025, 08:19:54 PMInteresting, but not surprising:

The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025

There are at least 8 teams that will have a $10,000,000+ roster in college basketball next season:

    St. John's
    Michigan
    Louisville
    Kentucky
    Indiana
    North Carolina
    Texas Tech
    BYU
    Duke
    Arkansas
    
2025 Transfer Basketball Team Rankings (https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferteamrankings/) – CBS / 247Sports – updated Sunday April 27, 2025

    1. St. John's
    2. Michigan
    3. Louisville
    4. Kentucky
    7. Indiana
  16. North Carolina
  20. Texas Tech
  27. BYU
   
College basketball rankings: Top 25 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44800877/mens-college-basketball-top-25-rankings-transfer-portal-2025-2026) - Jeff Borzello, ESPN - April 23, 2025

    3. St. John's
    4. Texas Tech
    5. Louisville
    7. BYU
    8. Michigan
    9. Arkansas
  10. Kentucky
  11. Duke
  22. North Carolina

College basketball rankings: Top 25 And 1 (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-transfer-class-fuels-st-johns-rise-to-no-2-as-unc-falls-from-top-25-and-1/) - Gary Parrish, CBS Sports - April 24, 2025

    2. St. John's
    5. BYU
    6. Texas Tech
    7. Michigan
  10. Kentucky
  12. Louisville
  13. Duke
  19. Arkansas

Interesting but not surprising:

Dayton Sucks

NBA Draft decisions: Will the top 2025 transfer portal stars stay or go? (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/nba-draft-decisions-will-the-top-2025-transfer-portal-stars-stay-or-go/) - Adam Finkelstein, CBS Sports – April 28, 2025

QuoteThe surge of college basketball's NIL money for the top players makes the stay-or-go NBA Draft decisions much harder.

The seven best available players, according to the last 247Sports Portal Rankings, have also declared for the NBA Draft. While the stay/go NBA draft decisions of the transfer portal's top players have annually been a key variable in shaping college basketball's pre-season perspective, this year is different because of the amount of money being thrown around under the umbrella of "NIL."

It used to be that the NBA, or other professional ranks by extension, was where players needed to go if they or their family needed to make money right away, but that is no longer the case. Think about a two-way deal, the common contract for a second round pick, which allows players to split time between their NBA team and its G League affiliate. They aren't guaranteed deals and they paid $578,577 last season. That's notably less than said second round pick can make in college.
 
College basketball's freewheeling era before the settlement of House v. NCAA also means possible first round picks are choosing college. The 30th pick in June's NBA draft will receive a first-year starting salary of $2.7 million. A fringe Round 1 player like Rob Wright got a reported $3.5 million to commit to BYU, while several others have reportedly eclipsed the three-million mark as well. Players only reach that three-million mark in the NBA Draft if they're one of the first 24 picks.

2025-26 NBA ROOKIE SALARIES (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/rookie-scale) – spotrac.com

QuotePICK   •   YEAR 1 SALARY

  1   •   $13,825,920
  2   •   $12,370,200
  3   •   $11,108,880
  4   •   $10,015,680
  5   •   $9,069,840
  6   •   $8,237,640
  7   •   $7,520,040
  8   •   $6,889,200
  9   •   $6,332,520
10   •   $6,016,080

11   •   $5,715,120
12   •   $5,429,520
13   •   $5,157,960
14   •   $4,900,320
15   •   $4,655,040
16   •   $4,422,360
17   •   $4,201,080
18   •   $3,991,320
19   •   $3,811,560
20   •   $3,658,800

21   •   $3,512,520
22   •   $3,372,240
23   •   $3,237,480
24   •   $3,108,120
25   •   $2,983,320
26   •   $2,884,560
27   •   $2,801,280
28   •   $2,783,880
29   •   $2,763,960
30   •   $2,743,800

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 28, 2025, 10:16:38 AMNBA Draft decisions: Will the top 2025 transfer portal stars stay or go? (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/nba-draft-decisions-will-the-top-2025-transfer-portal-stars-stay-or-go/) - Adam Finkelstein, CBS Sports – April 28, 2025

Dayton Sucks

Robert Wright III: 2024-25 Freshman Stats (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/5060709/robert-wright-iii) – ESPN

Cougars add Robert Wright III to 2025-26 roster (https://byucougars.com/news/2025/04/14/robert-wright-iii-joins-cougars-for-2025-26-season) – Brigham Young Cougars Men's Basketball – April 14, 2025

QuoteThe 6-foot-1 guard joins the Cougars after spending last season at Baylor.

The 6-foot-1 guard earned Honorable Mention All-Big 12 and All-Freshman Team accolades in 2024-25 at Baylor after averaging 11.5 points, 4.2 assists and 1.0 steals per game. He shot 41.4 percent from the field, 35.2 percent from three and 79.6 percent from the charity stripe as one of only two Bears to play in all 35 games.

NBA Draft decisions: Will the top 2025 transfer portal stars stay or go? (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/nba-draft-decisions-will-the-top-2025-transfer-portal-stars-stay-or-go/) - Adam Finkelstein, CBS Sports – April 28, 2025

QuoteA fringe Round 1 player like Rob Wright got a reported $3.5 million to commit to BYU ...

A bit of perspective is in order here.

Men's Basketball Head Coach Salaries 2024-25 (https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach) – SportsData.USAtoday – March 13, 2025

Quote  1 • Bill Self • Kansas$8,803,800* • Big 12
  2 • John Calipari • Arkansas • $8,000,000* • SEC
  3 • Dan Hurley • UConn • $7,775,000 • Big East
  4 • Tom Izzo • Michigan State • $6,196,879* • Big 10
  5 • Mick Cronin • UCLA • $6,100,000* • Big 10
  6 • Bruce Pearl • Auburn • $5,958,852 • SEC
  7 • Rick Barnes • Tennessee • $5,800,000 • SEC
  8 • Scott Drew • Baylor • $5,410,061 • Big 12
  9 • Tommy Lloyd • Arizona • $5,250,000 • Big 12
10 • Nate Oats • Alabama • $5,018,045 • SEC

11 • Mark Pope • Kentucky • $5,000,000* • SEC
12 • Chris Beard • Ole Miss • $5,000,000* • SEC
13 • Matt Painter • Purdue • $4,850,000* • Big 10
14 • Brad Underwood • Illinois • $4,800,000* • Big 10
15 • Fred Hoiberg • Nebraska • $4,750,000* • Big 10
16 • Kelvin Sampson • Houston • $4,604,000 • Big 12
17 • Buzz Williams • Texas A&M • $4,600,000 • SEC
18 • Chris Jans • Mississippi State • $4,200,000* • SEC
19 • Mike Woodson • Indiana • $4,200,000* • Big 10
20 • Jamie Dixon • TCU • $4,106,441 • Big 12

21 • Dennis Gates • Missouri • $4,100,000 • SEC
22 • Kevin Willard • Maryland • $4,100,000 • Big 10
23 • Dana Altman • Oregon • $4,007,000* • Big 10
24 • Grant McCasland • Texas Tech • $3,900,000 • Big 12
25 • Greg Gard • Wisconsin • $3,875,375 • Big 10
26 • Steve Pikiell • Rutgers • $3,800,000 • Big 10
27 • Lamont Paris • South Carolina • $3,750,000 •SEC
28 • Hubert Davis • North Carolina • $3,750,000  • ACC
29 • Jerome Tang • Kansas State • $3,700,000* • Big 12
30 • Kevin Keatts • North Carolina State • $3,668,265* • ACC

31 • Danny Sprinkle • Washington • $3,650,029* • Big 10
32 • Dusty May • Michigan • $3,625,000* • Big 10
33 • Mike White • Georgia • $3,610,000 • SEC
34 • Todd Golden • Florida • $3,600,000* • SEC
35 • Jeff Capel • Pittsburgh • $3,590,613 • ACC
36 • Bobby Hurley • Arizona State • $3,536,000* • Big 12
37 • Brad Brownell • Clemson • $3,505,200 • ACC
38 • T.J. Otzelberger • Iowa State • $3,500,000* • Big 12
39 • Mike Rhoades • Penn State • $3,500,000* • Big 10
40 • Fran McCaffery • Iowa • $3,402,000 • Big 10

41 • Chris Collins • Northwestern • $3,283,348 • Big 10
42 • Porter Moser • Oklahoma • $3,200,000* • SEC
43 • Steve Forbesb • Wake Forest • $3,113,433 • ACC
44 • Shaka Smart • Marquette • $3,040,784 • Big East
45 • Rodney Terry • Texas • $3,001,500 • SEC
46 • Greg McDermott • Creighton • $2,939,696 • Big East
47 • Jim Larranaga • Miami (FL) • $2,904,041* • ACC
48 • Darian DeVries • West Virginia • $2,900,000* • Big 12
49 • Mark Few • Gonzaga • $2,812,394 • WCC
50 • Matt McMahon • LSU • $2,805,000 • SEC

51 • Mark Madsen • California • $2,800,000 • ACC
52 • Mike Young • Virginia Tech • $2,750,000 • ACC
53 • Wes Miller • Cincinnati • $2,600,000 • Big 12
54 • Tad Boyle • Colorado • $2,503,500 • Big 12
55 • Jake Diebler • Ohio State • $2,500,000 • Big 10
56 • Brian Dutcher • San Diego State • $2,421,640 • MWC
57 • Steve Lutz • Oklahoma State • $2,400,000* • Big 12
58 • Pat Kelsey • Louisville • $2,367,418* • ACC
59 • Craig Smith • Utah • $2,300,000* • Big 12
60 • Leonard Hamilton • Florida State • $2,250,000* • ACC

61 • Damon Stoudamire • Georgia Tech • $2,200,000 • ACC
62 • Earl Grant • Boston College • $2,169,331 • ACC
63 • Ben Johnson • Minnesota • $2,079,315*• Big 10
64 • Johnny Dawkins • UCF • $2,000,000* • Big 12
65 • Ryan Odom • VCU • $1,812,375 • A10
66 • Jon Scheyer • Duke • $1,711,114* • ACC
67 • Steve Alford • Nevada • $1,553,500* • MWC
68 • Bryce Drew • Grand Canyon • $1,374,363 • WAC
69 • Ron Sanchez • Virginia • $1,350,000* • ACC
70 • Randy Bennett • Saint Mary's • $1,340,319 • WCC

71 • Kyle Neptune • Villanova • $1,254,491* • Big East
72 • Leon Rice • Boise State • $1,000,000* • MWC
73 • Jerrod Calhoun • Utah State • $1,000,000* • MWC

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 28, 2025, 05:28:45 PMRobert Wright III: 2024-25 Freshman Stats (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/5060709/robert-wright-iii) – ESPN

Cougars add Robert Wright III to 2025-26 roster (https://byucougars.com/news/2025/04/14/robert-wright-iii-joins-cougars-for-2025-26-season) – Brigham Young Cougars Men's Basketball – April 14, 2025
NBA Draft decisions: Will the top 2025 transfer portal stars stay or go? (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/nba-draft-decisions-will-the-top-2025-transfer-portal-stars-stay-or-go/) - Adam Finkelstein, CBS Sports – April 28, 2025
A bit of perspective is in order here.

Men's Basketball Head Coach Salaries 2024-25 (https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach) – SportsData.USAtoday – March 13, 2025

Dayton Sucks

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 28, 2025, 05:28:45 PMRobert Wright III: 2024-25 Freshman Stats (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/stats/_/id/5060709/robert-wright-iii) – ESPN

Cougars add Robert Wright III to 2025-26 roster (https://byucougars.com/news/2025/04/14/robert-wright-iii-joins-cougars-for-2025-26-season) – Brigham Young Cougars Men's Basketball – April 14, 2025
NBA Draft decisions: Will the top 2025 transfer portal stars stay or go? (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/nba-draft-decisions-will-the-top-2025-transfer-portal-stars-stay-or-go/) - Adam Finkelstein, CBS Sports – April 28, 2025
A bit of perspective is in order here.

Men's Basketball Head Coach Salaries 2024-25 (https://sportsdata.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach) – SportsData.USAtoday – March 13, 2025

Seriously I would like an answer to this. Why do you post here?

Is Fieldhouse Flyer Dayton's version of Freeway?

I'm getting deja-vu of walking by Freeway around 2004 who was just rattling off the roster of the 2001-2002 Cininnati Bearcats to his reflection in the glass at the Al.

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Quote from: wadesworld on April 28, 2025, 07:08:26 PMSeriously I would like an answer to this. Why do you post here?

To impart knowledge on those posters who obviously lack it.

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NBA Draft: Underclassmen are returning to college in record numbers (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/nba-draft-underclassmen-are-returning-to-college-in-record-numbers-184136963.html) – Jeff Eisenberg, Yahoo! Sports – April 29, 2025

QuoteJT Toppin, a second-team All-American and the reigning Big 12 player of the year, announced earlier this month that he intends to return to the Red Raiders for his junior season. The 6-foot-9 forward is expected to make about $4 million in NIL earnings at Texas Tech next season – a sum that exceeds the 2025-26 rookie salary scale for all but the NBA's top 17 draft picks.

The skyrocketing NIL market for proven talent across college basketball has made decisions like Toppin's more and more common this draft cycle. Jeff Goodman reported earlier this month that as many as 15 teams will have $10 million rosters next season. Those in the NIL space who have spoken to Yahoo Sports say that it will take up to $6-8 million just to be competitive in a power conference.

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 28, 2025, 10:16:38 AMNBA Draft decisions: Will the top 2025 transfer portal stars stay or go? (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/nba-draft-decisions-will-the-top-2025-transfer-portal-stars-stay-or-go/) - Adam Finkelstein, CBS Sports – April 28, 2025

A fringe Round 1 player like Rob Wright got a reported $3.5 million to commit to BYU ...

2025-26 NBA ROOKIE SALARIES (https://www.spotrac.com/nba/cba/rookie-scale) – spotrac.com

PICK    •    YEAR 1 SALARY

  1    •    $13,825,920
  2    •    $12,370,200
  3    •    $11,108,880
  4    •    $10,015,680
  5    •    $9,069,840
  6    •    $8,237,640
  7    •    $7,520,040
  8    •    $6,889,200
  9    •    $6,332,520
10    •    $6,016,080

11    •    $5,715,120
12    •    $5,429,520
13    •    $5,157,960
14    •    $4,900,320
15    •    $4,655,040
16    •    $4,422,360
17    •    $4,201,080
18    •    $3,991,320
19    •    $3,811,560
20    •    $3,658,800

21    •    $3,512,520
22    •    $3,372,240
23    •    $3,237,480
24    •    $3,108,120
25    •    $2,983,320
26    •    $2,884,560
27    •    $2,801,280
28    •    $2,783,880
29    •    $2,763,960
30    •    $2,743,800

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 29, 2025, 06:12:40 PMTo impart knowledge on those posters who obviously lack it.

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NBA Draft: Underclassmen are returning to college in record numbers (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/nba-draft-underclassmen-are-returning-to-college-in-record-numbers-184136963.html) – Jeff Eisenberg, Yahoo! Sports – April 29, 2025

Dayton sucks

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 29, 2025, 06:12:40 PMTo impart knowledge on those posters who obviously lack it.

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NBA Draft: Underclassmen are returning to college in record numbers (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/nba-draft-underclassmen-are-returning-to-college-in-record-numbers-184136963.html) – Jeff Eisenberg, Yahoo! Sports – April 29, 2025

We are so thankful you are here.

Do you do this on every college basketball forum? It's honestly weird as hell. And makes the Dayton fanbase look absurd.

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 29, 2025, 06:12:40 PMTo impart knowledge on those posters who obviously lack it.

How's the Cavalier running these days? Those old Chevys can be pretty reliable if properly maintained.

Quote from: wadesworld on April 29, 2025, 07:23:19 PMAnd makes the Dayton fanbase look absurd.

Of the three of four Dayton posters we've had here this is still a distant second. And he is pretty freaking weird.

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 29, 2025, 06:12:40 PMTo impart knowledge on those posters who obviously lack it.

I've seen a lot of your posts on two forums. Selectively well researched sure, but knowledgeable they are not. More like choosing a point you wish was true and then finding 30 sources to use as an appeal to authority but forgetting to vet them. I'd say it's closer to trolling than "imparting knowledge" unless you were taught in a school for Russian social media bots.

Quote from: MDMU04 on April 30, 2025, 08:14:35 AMHow's the Cavalier running these days? Those old Chevys can be pretty reliable if properly maintained.

He needs to work in some updates in his posts about Cavalier maintenance and some tips and tricks to keep your '01 Chevy on the road. Since he's here to educate, let's expand the scope a bit beyond just hoops.

Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 29, 2025, 06:12:40 PMTo impart knowledge on those posters who obviously lack it.

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NBA Draft: Underclassmen are returning to college in record numbers (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/article/nba-draft-underclassmen-are-returning-to-college-in-record-numbers-184136963.html) – Jeff Eisenberg, Yahoo! Sports – April 29, 2025

No one asked.