MUScoop

MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: Warrior of Law on March 21, 2025, 10:42:23 PM

Title: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Warrior of Law on March 21, 2025, 10:42:23 PM
Replacing nearly 94 minutes (of 200) will be a huge task. Assuming everyone comes back (portal opens on Monday), starters listed first:

Ross-33
Jones-33
Gold-30
Parham-28
Lowery-24
------------
Owens-24
Hamilton-12

The remaining 50 minutes or so goes to the frosh or maybe Clark, but likely split among 3 others. The point being is that there is a ton of playing time and scoring to be had by the incoming players. If anyone from this list leaves, it only opens up more opportunities. Jones/Ross/Gold are 12-13 ppg players, so there will be plenty of shots available.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: dgies9156 on March 21, 2025, 10:48:44 PM
You think Tre Norman is leaving?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Warrior of Law on March 21, 2025, 10:54:12 PM
Yes to Norman leaving. If he stays, he's in the 4-8 minute range like this year.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2025, 11:00:46 PM
Quote from: Warrior of Law on March 21, 2025, 10:54:12 PMYes to Norman leaving. If he stays, he's in the 4-8 minute range like this year.

Nope.  Tre will steal 15 a game.

Otherwise, I generally agree with you.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: MU24 on March 21, 2025, 11:04:28 PM
We assume Ross will be back after the end to this season? Wouldnt be surprised
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 21, 2025, 11:06:41 PM
Quote from: MU24 on March 21, 2025, 11:04:28 PMWe assume Ross will be back after the end to this season? Wouldnt be surprised

Why on earth would anyone assume he wouldn't be back?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Warrior of Law on March 21, 2025, 11:07:07 PM
There isn't a player on that list, particularly Ross, than can't be replaced or upgraded.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 21, 2025, 11:10:26 PM
Quote from: MU24 on March 21, 2025, 11:04:28 PMWe assume Ross will be back after the end to this season? Wouldnt be surprised

Wut?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 11:27:22 PM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2025, 11:00:46 PMNope.  Tre will steal 15 a game.

Otherwise, I generally agree with you.
.

Are you serious?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2025, 11:47:16 PM
Quote from: MU24 on March 21, 2025, 11:04:28 PMWe assume Ross will be back after the end to this season? Wouldnt be surprised

A senior who will be the featured scorer on the team in a p5 conference wont be back?

What is wrong with this place?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2025, 11:47:50 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 11:27:22 PM.

Are you serious?

Yes.  And if you'd like to wager on it, I will take any odds you give.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Doo on March 21, 2025, 11:48:32 PM
Quote from: Warrior of Law on March 21, 2025, 10:54:12 PMYes to Norman leaving. If he stays, he's in the 4-8 minute range like this year.
I also think that Tre is leaving. It hasn't worked out like he or the coaching staff had hoped.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2025, 11:49:08 PM
Quote from: Doo on March 21, 2025, 11:48:32 PMI also think that Tre is leaving. It hasn't worked out like he or the coaching staff had hoped.

This comment brought to you by Vibes.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: MU_CHI on March 21, 2025, 11:49:54 PM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2025, 11:47:50 PMYes.  And if you'd like to wager on it, I will take any odds you give.

Tre Norman is one of the worst high level division 1 players in America. If the coach can't see that, he's the wrong coach.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2025, 11:50:41 PM
Quote from: MU_CHI on March 21, 2025, 11:49:54 PMTre Norman is one of the worst high level division 1 players in America. If the coach can't see that, he's the wrong coach.

I'm not sure what your opinion has to do with anything.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: brewcity77 on March 22, 2025, 12:10:36 AM
Assuming no major roster changes...

Sean Jones - 28
Chase Ross - 28
Zaide Lowery - 30
Royce Parham - 30
Ben Gold - 30

Owens - 20
Norman - 10
Hamilton - 8
Stevens - 8
Clark - 5
James - 5

Amadou, Miletic - Spot minutes
Phillips - RS
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: MU_CHI on March 22, 2025, 12:16:20 AM
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2025, 11:50:41 PMI'm not sure what your opinion has to do with anything.

If your opinion is that Tre should play serious minutes for Marquette next year then that speaks volumes for what you think this program should be. I'm sure he's a great guy, plays hard, but he's a negative on the floor. Not all is fault either, Shaka didn't have the heart to tell him that shooting a three is a lost possession which cost us games. On Shaka.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2025, 12:16:54 AM
I gotta believe Nigel gets more than 5 minutes.

And if Hamilton and Clark are only going to get 13 combined minutes, it may be time to get a real 5 in the portal.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: warriors141 on March 22, 2025, 12:21:33 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 22, 2025, 12:10:36 AMAssuming no major roster changes...

Sean Jones - 28
Chase Ross - 28
Zaide Lowery - 30
Royce Parham - 30
Ben Gold - 30

Owens - 20
Norman - 10
Hamilton - 8
Stevens - 8
Clark - 5
James - 5

Amadou, Miletic - Spot minutes
Phillips - RS

That low on the freshman? Not really optimistic with that team
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: MU_CHI on March 22, 2025, 12:30:23 AM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2025, 12:16:54 AMI gotta believe Nigel gets more than 5 minutes.

And if Hamilton and Clark are only going to get 13 combined minutes, it may be time to get a real 5 in the portal.

Yeah I think it's time...Hamilton is horrible. Respectfully.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2025, 12:38:48 AM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2025, 12:16:54 AMI gotta believe Nigel gets more than 5 minutes.

And if Hamilton and Clark are only going to get 13 combined minutes, it may be time to get a real 5 in the portal.

Just for comparison, Sean Jones played 12.2 minutes per game for the Big East Championship team as a Freshman.

I'd be stunned if Nigel isn't playing around 15 mpg.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Norm on March 22, 2025, 02:50:04 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 22, 2025, 12:10:36 AMAssuming no major roster changes...

Sean Jones - 28
Chase Ross - 28
Zaide Lowery - 30
Royce Parham - 30
Ben Gold - 30

Owens - 20
Norman - 10
Hamilton - 8
Stevens - 8
Clark - 5
James - 5

Amadou, Miletic - Spot minutes
Phillips - RS

I'm not sure how much success those minutes will bear out.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: willie warrior on March 22, 2025, 06:38:24 AM
Quote from: Warrior of Law on March 21, 2025, 10:42:23 PMReplacing nearly 94 minutes (of 200) will be a huge task. Assuming everyone comes back (portal opens on Monday), starters listed first:

Ross-33
Jones-33
Gold-30
Parham-28
Lowery-24
------------
Owens-24
Hamilton-12

The remaining 50 minutes or so goes to the frosh or maybe Clark, but likely split among 3 others. The point being is that there is a ton of playing time and scoring to be had by the incoming players. If anyone from this list leaves, it only opens up more opportunities. Jones/Ross/Gold are 12-13 ppg players, so there will be plenty of shots available.
That starting line up is ready made for 6th place or lower in BEast.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Warrior of Law on March 22, 2025, 07:24:41 AM
Quote from: willie warrior on March 22, 2025, 06:38:24 AMThat starting line up is ready made for 6th place or lower in BEast.

They will be young and inexperienced while relying a lot on kids just out of high school. It might similar to KO's first season with Mac, Key, and Logterman. Success will focus on "growth" rather than "victory" to quote Coach. There's no doubt this team takes a significant step back in league standings, but hopefully can surprise us in late February and March, like DePaul this season.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: 1SE on March 22, 2025, 07:32:14 AM
Yeah - the freshman are going to need a lot more minutes. If Clark isn't ready to go serious minutes he should move elsewhere -you can't teach tall.

Jones - 20
James - 15
Ross - 30
Stevens -15

Zaide - 25
Phillips/Miletic - 5

Owens - 15

Gold - 20
Clark - 15
Royce - 20
Caedin - 10

I doubt we actually run 12 deep - but I could easily see us going 10 deep - lots of energy. Chase and Zaide should be our top minute getters, but I suspect Gold will play more than I've put there.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: mileskishnish72 on March 22, 2025, 07:32:24 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 22, 2025, 12:10:36 AMAssuming no major roster changes...

Sean Jones - 28
Chase Ross - 28
Zaide Lowery - 30
Royce Parham - 30
Ben Gold - 30

Owens - 20
Norman - 10
Hamilton - 8
Stevens - 8
Clark - 5
James - 5

Amadou, Miletic - Spot minutes
Phillips - RS

Big Al progressing to spot minutes - talk about invisible.
I have higher hopes for Miletic.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 07:48:14 AM
Quote from: MU24 on March 21, 2025, 11:04:28 PMWe assume Ross will be back after the end to this season? Wouldnt be surprised
I love his ability but profoundly frustrated  how unreliable he is. The opportunities were again there for him last night and he choked. 

I would think he'll be back though. 
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: tower912 on March 22, 2025, 07:48:30 AM
Zaide/Owens/Ross 80 at the 2/3
Gold, 20 at the 5, 10 at the 4
Parham 30 at the 4
Clark/Hamilton/Amadou 20 at the 5
Jones 25
Norman 15

Frosh 2 redshirt and garbage minutes.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Mu8891 on March 22, 2025, 07:49:22 AM
If that ^ is what MU is going with next year they will not sniff the top half of the BE.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 07:51:20 AM
Quote from: tower912 on March 22, 2025, 07:48:30 AMZaide/Owens/Ross 80 at the 2/3
Gold, 20 at the 5, 10 at the 4
Parham 30 at the 4
Clark/Hamilton/Amadou 20 at the 5
Jones 25
Norman 15

Frosh 2 redshirt and garbage minutes.
Norman 15 is either 😂 or 🤯
No way or just shoot me now having to watch him fail badly again. 
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Mu8891 on March 22, 2025, 07:52:49 AM
And ... honestly... I hope at least one or two guys recognize they have no business/ can't play at a BE level and move on to
the Horizon League.

Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Viper on March 22, 2025, 08:01:32 AM
Quote from: tower912 on March 22, 2025, 07:48:30 AMZaide/Owens/Ross 80 at the 2/3
Gold, 20 at the 5, 10 at the 4
Parham 30 at the 4
Clark/Hamilton/Amadou 20 at the 5
Jones 25
Norman 15

Frosh 2 redshirt and garbage minutes.
I'm not disagreeing with your minutes allotment, but imo if Norman is getting 15 minutes and the freshmen are redshirting and garbage minutes, MU is in some trouble.  This being said, will Norman and Amadou be on the team next season? This also being said, if you are a big and can't see that there are significant minutes to be had by hammering the boards and playing assss kicking D, please transfer.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 22, 2025, 08:15:13 AM
Quote from: 1SE on March 22, 2025, 07:32:14 AMYeah - the freshman are going to need a lot more minutes. If Clark isn't ready to go serious minutes he should move elsewhere -you can't teach tall.

Jones - 20
James - 15
Ross - 30
Stevens -15

Zaide - 25
Phillips/Miletic - 5

Owens - 15

Gold - 20
Clark - 15
Royce - 20
Caedin - 10

I doubt we actually run 12 deep - but I could easily see us going 10 deep - lots of energy. Chase and Zaide should be our top minute getters, but I suspect Gold will play more than I've put there.

You think Royce and Ben are only playing 20 MPG? And Owens 15? 

Hilarious.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Boone on March 22, 2025, 08:19:22 AM
Anyone projecting 15 minutes per for Norman is out to lunch
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: brewcity77 on March 22, 2025, 08:22:02 AM
Worth noting Tre played 10 minutes total in the last 5 games. Only hit double digit minutes in 10 of the last 13. He's fallen down the rotation already.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 08:25:42 AM
Norman is a lot better than he's shown... but he's shown no ability to play with the lights on. Some players figure that out,  many never do.  We will see which Norman is.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 08:33:13 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 08:25:42 AMNorman is a lot better than he's shown... but he's shown no ability to play with the lights on. Some players figure that out,  many never do.  We will see which Norman is.
What the hell are you basing this on?  Your feelings?  Because he's had two full seasons now and has yet to show anything of semblance he even deserves a scholarship, let alone contribute at this level. 

I'm sick of gaslighting bs like this. 
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Jockey on March 22, 2025, 08:45:04 AM
Quote from: Warrior of Law on March 21, 2025, 10:42:23 PMReplacing nearly 94 minutes (of 200) will be a huge task. Assuming everyone comes back (portal opens on Monday), starters listed first:

Ross-33
Jones-33
Gold-30
Parham-28
Lowery-24
------------
Owens-24
Hamilton-12

The remaining 50 minutes or so goes to the frosh or maybe Clark, but likely split among 3 others. The point being is that there is a ton of playing time and scoring to be had by the incoming players. If anyone from this list leaves, it only opens up more opportunities. Jones/Ross/Gold are 12-13 ppg players, so there will be plenty of shots available.


If Gold is at 30 minutes, next season will be the same. An OK team with zero chance in the Dance. He tries hard and is OK on defense, but is a black hole on offense.

We would need 2 star players to overcome the hole we have at the 5. Hamilton and Clark are just projects who will never be a factor in the BE.

I'm mostly glad that Shaka stays away from the portal, but getting a big is imperative for next year. It ain't that hard to find guys like that.

We can't go into next season with only 2 guys who can consistently score like this year - especially if Gold is at center. I expect Chase to be the same guy. Parham and Owen's need to step up as sophs and I believe they will. Lowery has a chance to be really good and let me be the first on Scoop to say that I think he will lead us in scoring next year.

Finally, I will enjoy getting back to a true PG on the floor. Kam was outstanding and deserved the honors he received, but he was a combo guard playing point. It will be nice having 2 true PGs next year.

Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Jockey on March 22, 2025, 08:48:52 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 08:25:42 AMNorman is a lot better than he's shown... but he's shown no ability to play with the lights on. Some players figure that out,  many never do.  We will see which Norman is.

He is what he has shown. Good defense. Very little offense except for an occasional drive to the basket. If Parham and Owen's can't beat him out for minutes, we are in trouble.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: PointWarrior on March 22, 2025, 08:56:34 AM
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 08:33:13 AMWhat the hell are you basing this on?  Your feelings?  Because he's had two full seasons now and has yet to show anything of semblance he even deserves a scholarship, let alone contribute at this level. 

I'm sick of gaslighting bs like this. 

The CoS has unwavering faith in his recruit selection and his player development. 
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 09:28:25 AM
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 08:33:13 AMWhat the hell are you basing this on?  Your feelings?  Because he's had two full seasons now and has yet to show anything of semblance he even deserves a scholarship, let alone contribute at this level. 

I'm sick of gaslighting bs like this. 

No gas lighting.  Some players are great in practice but can't perform under the bright lights. Some get over that,  most don't.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 09:46:04 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 09:28:25 AMNo gas lighting.  Some players are great in practice but can't perform under the bright lights. Some get over that,  most don't.

That's akin to saying, gee I was really hitting it well at the driving range today. I just can't do that on a course.  Nothing counts or matters except when it's time to perform.  That's how everything in life is judged. 
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 09:51:01 AM
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 09:46:04 AMThat's akin to saying, gee I was really hitting it well at the driving range today. I just can't do that on a course.  Nothing counts or matters except when it's time to perform.  That's how everything in life is judged. 

I don't think I've said I anything that disagrees with this.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Jockey on March 22, 2025, 10:29:56 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 09:28:25 AMNo gas lighting.  Some players are great in practice but can't perform under the bright lights. Some get over that,  most don't.

But he can't shoot. Practice or games. Terrible form still after 2 full years in the system.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 10:46:40 AM
Quote from: Jockey on March 22, 2025, 10:29:56 AMBut he can't shoot. Practice or games. Terrible form still after 2 full years in the system.

He can shoot in practice. Hasnt translated into games. After two years,  I'm skeptical it ever will.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: dgies9156 on March 22, 2025, 10:53:05 AM
Perhaps Al Amadou and Tre Norman may leave, opening two portal opportunities for Coach Shaka.

We'll know more next week.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Jockey on March 22, 2025, 11:28:08 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 10:46:40 AMHe can shoot in practice. Hasnt translated into games. After two years,  I'm skeptical it ever will.

I'm not saying you are wrong, but it is hard to believe with his shooting form. It's even worse than JJJ as a freshman.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Viper on March 22, 2025, 11:33:22 AM
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 08:33:13 AMWhat the hell are you basing this on?  Your feelings?  Because he's had two full seasons now and has yet to show anything of semblance he even deserves a scholarship, let alone contribute at this level. 

I'm sick of gaslighting bs like this. 
agreed, Hutch. Can't burn a scholly while Tre figures it out. Probably a great young guy. Hopefully the coaching staff finds him a more suitable program.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: nyg on March 22, 2025, 11:47:42 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 10:46:40 AMHe can shoot in practice. Hasnt translated into games. After two years,  I'm skeptical it ever will.

Just curious, but how do you know Norman can shoot in practice?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 11:48:57 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 22, 2025, 12:10:36 AMAssuming no major roster changes...

Sean Jones - 28
Chase Ross - 28
Zaide Lowery - 30
Royce Parham - 30
Ben Gold - 30

Owens - 20
Norman - 10
Hamilton - 8
Stevens - 8
Clark - 5
James - 5

Amadou, Miletic - Spot minutes
Phillips - RS
If Clark has a freaking pulse he will get more than 5 a game given how this team struggled without a true big. Also why should amadou even come back if in year 3 he still only gets garbage time minutes?? doesn't make sense to me
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 11:49:17 AM
Quote from: nyg on March 22, 2025, 11:47:42 AMJust curious, but how do you know Norman can shoot in practice?

I've seen it with my eyeballs.  I even posted about it here a month or two ago.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Hards Alumni on March 22, 2025, 11:52:24 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 22, 2025, 12:10:36 AMAssuming no major roster changes...

Sean Jones - 28
Chase Ross - 28
Zaide Lowery - 30
Royce Parham - 30
Ben Gold - 30

Owens - 20
Norman - 10
Hamilton - 8
Stevens - 8
Clark - 5
James - 5

Amadou, Miletic - Spot minutes
Phillips - RS

Ross not getting the most minutes on the team would shock me.  He played 38 minutes last night.  And he will be a senior.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: nyg on March 22, 2025, 11:59:49 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 11:49:17 AMI've seen it with my eyeballs.  I even posted about it here a month or two ago.

OK, didn't realize you went to the practices. 
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Billy Hoyle on March 22, 2025, 12:06:04 PM
Isn't Gold going pro? Read here coming into the season he was going to be a first round pick.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 12:09:03 PM
Quote from: nyg on March 22, 2025, 11:59:49 AMOK, didn't realize you went to the practices.
Did he?  He didn't say he saw practices.  He said he's "seen it with my eyeballs".  For all he's given, all he's seen is Tre hit a couple threes in warmups. 

And regardless, nobody has that broken of a shot and shoots it well suddenly out of public sight.  It's gaslighting. 
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Mu8891 on March 22, 2025, 12:15:55 PM
Tre can shoot in practice ... uh huh. Sure he can.

Mike Deane once said to me:
" No one has ever scored a point in practice "
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 12:19:22 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 22, 2025, 12:06:04 PMIsn't Gold going pro? Read here coming into the season he was going to be a first round pick.


No one said this.

I do think Gold will eventually get a cup of coffee. 7 footers who can shoot and dedend have an advantage on most other players.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: nyg on March 22, 2025, 12:23:31 PM
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 12:09:03 PMDid he?  He didn't say he saw practices.  He said he's "seen it with my eyeballs".  For all he's given, all he's seen is Tre hit a couple threes in warmups. 

And regardless, nobody has that broken of a shot and shoots it well suddenly out of public sight.  It's gaslighting. 

Oh yes he did. Said it in a prior post in this thread and that is why I asked him.  He gave me a curt "I've seen it with my eyeballs", and said he mentioned some time ago.  I am not researching poster's past, so I presumed he has been to the practices like he advised. 
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Jockey on March 22, 2025, 12:43:09 PM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 12:19:22 PMNo one said this.

I do think Gold will eventually get a cup of coffee. 7 footers who can shoot and dedend have an advantage on most other players.

So you must also think Steven Crowl will get AT LEAST a cup of coffee? I don't. Centers who average 5 pts. and less than 3 boards AND don't block shots aren't even on NBA radars.

Yet, Crowl is a better 3 pt. shooter, better passer, better defender, and better rebounder than Gold. And Nolan Winter from UW has better numbers than Ben, as well.

A little realism needs to kick in. I am very optimistic about this team if we can get a big man from the portal who can average 12/7. I think that immediately puts us in at least the Sweet 16 conversation for next year.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Pakuni on March 22, 2025, 12:56:26 PM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 12:19:22 PMNo one said this.

I do think Gold will eventually get a cup of coffee. 7 footers who can shoot and dedend have an advantage on most other players.

Even your keyboard rejected the idea that Ben can defend.
A halfway competent NBA center will feast on him worse than competent college centers have feasted on him lately. If Zuby Ejiofor is turning him into a turnstile and Nelly Junior Joseph is going to bully him with ease, how's he going to defend bigger, faster, more athletic bigs?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 01:03:13 PM
Quote from: Jockey on March 22, 2025, 12:43:09 PMSo you must also think Steven Crowl will get AT LEAST a cup of coffee? I don't. Centers who average 5 pts. and less than 3 boards AND don't block shots aren't even on NBA radars.

Yet, Crowl is a better 3 pt. shooter, better passer, better defender, and better rebounder than Gold. And Nolan Winter from UW has better numbers than Ben, as well.

A little realism needs to kick in. I am very optimistic about this team if we can get a big man from the portal who can average 12/7. I think that immediately puts us in at least the Sweet 16 conversation for next year.

I don't know why you capitolized AT LEAST, I didn't say that. I said advantage, not guarentee.  I also disagree that Crowl is a better shooter or defender than Gold. He's a better college player but I think Gold has more pro potential.

Some guys take longer to develop. One of biggest criticisms of Shaka is that he hasn't gotten more out of Gold. But this is just a prediction.  I've been wrong before and will be wrong again.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 01:05:09 PM
Quote from: Pakuni on March 22, 2025, 12:56:26 PMWhether he can or not, though, is irrelevant.
Even your keyboard rejected the idea that Ben can defend.
A halfway competent NBA center will feast on him worse than competent college centers have feasted on him lately. If Zuby Ejiofor is turning him into a turnstile and Nelly Junior Joseph is going to bully him weith ease, how's he going to defend bigger, faster, more athletic bigs?

Ben wouldn't be a center in the NBA. I'm not suggesting he's ready now.  I'm making a prediction on future potential.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Big Papi on March 22, 2025, 01:07:18 PM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 11:49:17 AMI've seen it with my eyeballs.  I even posted about it here a month or two ago.

That's amazing if true.

I have season tickets and usually get to games early and have spent lots of time watching pre game warmups. No pressure on shots. 

Form was not good. He slings the ball for one but what really nailed the coffin was late in the season, they were wrapping up warmups and I watched Tre take about 5 mid range jump shots just outside three free throw lane about 3 feet from the free throw line.

He didn't just miss all 5 shots.  He missed them badly. Like pick a fan from the stands with no athletic ability bad.  I don't want to rag on the guy but it was so bad with no pressure.

He will need to completely revamp his shot but there will not be a vast improvement.

So I have no idea how he could shoot so well in practice and look so bad on game day.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Big Papi on March 22, 2025, 01:11:54 PM
Anyone have any inside info on Al?

Listened to him on Marquette radio hour and he said he was the best offensive rebounder on the team. Not saying much I know but he is lanky and athletic.  Hopefully he can earn some minutes on the floor.  Otherwise he should go down a level.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: BCHoopster on March 22, 2025, 01:41:38 PM
Quote from: Big Papi on March 22, 2025, 01:11:54 PMAnyone have any inside info on Al?

Listened to him on Marquette radio hour and he said he was the best offensive rebounder on the team. Not saying much I know but he is lanky and athletic.  Hopefully he can earn some minutes on the floor.  Otherwise he should go down a level.

He's rebounding his own shot, since he can not shoot the ball!
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: jfp61 on March 22, 2025, 02:25:10 PM
Chase plays 35 minutes.
Ben plays 25-30 minutes.
Royce plays 25 minutes.

The rest of the lineup.... no idea.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Pakuni on March 22, 2025, 02:34:08 PM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 22, 2025, 01:05:09 PMBen wouldn't be a center in the NBA. I'm not suggesting he's ready now.  I'm making a prediction on future potential.

Maybe I'm underrating Ben's athleticism, but I think that's a worse defensive situation for him. Not every NBA four is Giannis or Tatum, but the league is filled with 6'8"-10" fours who Ben would struggle to stay in front of.

My guess? Ben will go back Down Under and have hopefully a long and lucrative career in the ABL. Go Breakers.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Captain Quette on March 22, 2025, 03:58:13 PM
Thinking about our starters next year, do Scoopers think there is anyone on our roster, other than Chase, who has a chance to start on a BE championship team?

I think Zaide might get some minutes but not sure about anyone else?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on March 22, 2025, 04:12:48 PM
Quote from: Captain Quette on March 22, 2025, 03:58:13 PMThinking about our starters next year, do Scoopers think there is anyone on our roster, other than Chase, who has a chance to start on a BE championship team?

I think Zaide might get some minutes but not sure about anyone else?

How many of our returning guys would you have said the same of going into that 22-23 season?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Pakuni on March 22, 2025, 04:22:03 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 22, 2025, 04:12:48 PMHow many of our returning guys would you have said the same of going into that 22-23 season?

Two.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: PointWarrior on March 22, 2025, 05:37:20 PM
Better question - can this team score in the 50's next year?

Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: tower912 on March 22, 2025, 05:38:46 PM
As currently constructed, yes.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Captain Quette on March 22, 2025, 08:09:16 PM
Heading into 2023, probably Oso but none of the others, as championship starters.

My thought with the question was not to provoke negativity but rather ask others how far away they think we are and expectations for next year.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 08:15:24 PM
BYU got so lucky ending up in the big 12
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: burger on March 22, 2025, 08:23:14 PM
Gold....Lowery.....Not on team yet....James....Chase....
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Pakuni on March 22, 2025, 08:41:27 PM
Quote from: Captain Quette on March 22, 2025, 08:09:16 PMHeading into 2023, probably Oso but none of the others, as championship starters.

My thought with the question was not to provoke negativity but rather ask others how far away they think we are and expectations for next year.

You don't think the guy who led the league in assists (Kolek) or a unanimous all-rookie (Kam) would be good enough?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Warrior of Law on March 25, 2025, 08:15:31 AM
Ben Steele's take on the issue:

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2025/03/25/shaka-smart-will-have-different-roster-with-marquette-golden-eagles-basketball-team-in-2025-26/82634653007/
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: wadesworld on March 25, 2025, 10:05:44 AM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 22, 2025, 12:06:04 PMIsn't Gold going pro? Read here coming into the season he was going to be a first round pick.


Would love to see that post!  Please quote it.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: willie warrior on March 25, 2025, 10:14:48 AM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2025, 12:16:54 AMI gotta believe Nigel gets more than 5 minutes.

And if Hamilton and Clark are only going to get 13 combined minutes, it may be time to get a real 5 in the portal.
Agree on both these points.
james will get more than 5 minutes, because Shaka has no options. Would like to see how Clark looks, but we need bangers. Damn the portals...full speed ahead.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Byrdman on March 25, 2025, 10:08:38 PM
Im SHOCKED that anyone would think Ben Gold is an NBA prospect. Remember he's the guy who was outscored 33-0 by Ejiofor in the St.John's game, AND DIDN'T EVEN TAKE A FREAKING SHOT!!!!!! No NBA scout worth his/her salt would even look in his direction. Period.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 26, 2025, 08:13:38 AM
Quote from: Captain Quette on March 22, 2025, 03:58:13 PMThinking about our starters next year, do Scoopers think there is anyone on our roster, other than Chase, who has a chance to start on a BE championship team?

I think Zaide might get some minutes but not sure about anyone else?

Start?  Chase, Royce, Zaide, and Ben could all be a 5th starter on a BE champ, depending on roster construction.

How many can be the stars that lead a team lead a team to a BE title?  That's a lot harder to project.  They would all need to make big jumps.

Justin Lewis and Kam Jones made huge leaps from freshman to sophomore year. Kolek, Oso, O-Max, and Jimmy Butler made big leaps from sophomore to junior year.  Wes Matthews and Jae Crowder went from good starters to stars between junior and senior year.

So let's see who develops.  Shaka's committed to a long-term strategy, compared many Scoopers who crave more short-term success.  But if it doesn't work out this year, I hope Shaka reevaluates his roster building.  The worst thing to do is become too bullheaded to adapt. But Shaka's going to give his current strategy at least one more year.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 26, 2025, 09:52:32 AM
Zaide will be the breakout star next year.  Been on the Zaide train since day 1 of seeing him play.  He's the one guy on the squad this past year who could attack the basket with the necessary balance, explosiveness, and physicality needed - and his shooting form also looked the best to me of any of our players.  I also think Josh Clark will surprise next year.

Chase - 33
Zaide - 33
Jones - 28
Gold - 25
Parham - 25
Owens - 20
Clark - 15
Amadou - 15
James - 15
Milicec - 10
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: BCHoopster on March 26, 2025, 10:03:58 AM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 26, 2025, 09:52:32 AMZaide will be the breakout star next year.  Been on the Zaide train since day 1 of seeing him play.  He's the one guy on the squad this past year who could attack the basket with the necessary balance, explosiveness, and physicality needed - and his shooting form also looked the best to me of any of our players.  I also think Josh Clark will surprise next year.

Chase - 33
Zaide - 33
Jones - 28
Gold - 25
Parham - 25
Owens - 20
Clark - 15
Amadou - 15
James - 15
Milicec - 10


You forget Shaka's favorite player, since he plays him, Tre Norman?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: JTJ3 on March 26, 2025, 10:09:12 AM
Right now, without any transfer additions...

Chase 30
Zaide 28
Gold 28
Parham 26
Sean 26
Owens 24
Nigel 14
Stevens/Tre 10
Hamilton/Clark 8
Miletic/Phillips 6

Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: burger on March 26, 2025, 10:14:16 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2025, 10:03:58 AMYou forget Shaka's favorite player, since he plays him, Tre Norman?

No he didn't
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Jockey on March 26, 2025, 10:34:19 AM
Quote from: Byrdman on March 25, 2025, 10:08:38 PMIm SHOCKED that anyone would think Ben Gold is an NBA prospect. Remember he's the guy who was outscored 33-0 by Ejiofor in the St.John's game, AND DIDN'T EVEN TAKE A FREAKING SHOT!!!!!! No NBA scout worth his/her salt would even look in his direction. Period.

At best, Gold will have Theo John numbers next year. He should be able to acquire tickets to an NBA game, though.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Its DJOver on March 26, 2025, 10:50:03 AM
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 26, 2025, 09:52:32 AMZaide will be the breakout star next year.  Been on the Zaide train since day 1 of seeing him play.  He's the one guy on the squad this past year who could attack the basket with the necessary balance, explosiveness, and physicality needed - and his shooting form also looked the best to me of any of our players.  I also think Josh Clark will surprise next year.

Chase - 33
Zaide - 33
Jones - 28
Gold - 25
Parham - 25
Owens - 20
Clark - 15
Amadou - 15
James - 15
Milicec - 10


You expecting a lot of OT?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Galway Eagle on March 26, 2025, 10:51:55 AM
Quote from: Jockey on March 26, 2025, 10:34:19 AMAt best, Gold will have Theo John numbers next year. He should be able to acquire tickets to an NBA game, though.

Till he transfers to Duke like John did and becomes the next Cooper Flagg.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: MU82 on March 26, 2025, 11:14:12 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 26, 2025, 10:03:58 AMYou forget Shaka's favorite player, since he plays him, Tre Norman?

Norman played a total of 9 minutes over the last 5 games.

But nice try, Shaka-hater.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Scoop Snoop on March 26, 2025, 11:18:19 AM
Quote from: MU82 on March 26, 2025, 11:14:12 AMNorman played a total of 9 minutes over the last 5 games.

But nice try, Shaka-hater.

CoSH?
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: MU82 on March 26, 2025, 11:59:26 AM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 26, 2025, 11:18:19 AMCoSH?

I prefer HoSC, but yours works too.
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Johnny B on March 26, 2025, 01:15:53 PM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 26, 2025, 11:18:19 AMCoSH?
Cult of tre Norman?
COTN?
probably shouldn't go with that one..
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: tower912 on March 26, 2025, 01:32:34 PM
You want cool? 
Cult
Behind
Gold,
Ben

Nothing cooler than CBGBs
Title: Re: Early 25-26 Minutes Projection
Post by: Elonsmusk on March 26, 2025, 01:32:52 PM
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 26, 2025, 10:50:03 AMYou expecting a lot of OT?

Lol - Good catch.  Looks like I'm 19 over the limit.  Facepalm.
EhPortal 1.39.9 © 2025, WebDev