2024-25: 7-seed, lost to 10. Underperformed seed expectation.
2023-24: 2 seed, beat 15 & 10, lost to 11. Underperformed seed expectation.
2022-23: 2-seed, beat 15, lost to 7. Underperformed seed expectation.
2021-22: 9-seed, lost to 8. Met seed expectation.
2020-21: 3-seed, lost to 14. Underperformed seed expectation.
2019-20: No tournament (COVID)
2018-19: NIT
2017-18: 10-seed, lost to 7. Met seed expectation.
2016-17: Missed postseason.
2015-16: 6-seed, lost to 11. Underperformed seed expectation.
2014-15: 7-seed, lost to 10. Underperformed seed expectation.
2013-14: 5-seed, lost to 12. Underperformed seed expectation.
2012-13: 5-seed, beat 12, lost to 4. Met seed expectation.
2011-12: 12-seed, beat 5, lost to 4. Beat seed expectation.
It has been 13 years since a Shaka-coached team performed better than their seed in March. He's only matched seed expectations 3 times in that span, and 2 of them are because 9-16 seeds aren't expected to win any games.
Shaka hasn't beaten a single digit seed since 2012.
He's had regular season success that we have not seen in a long time, but college basketball is about March. Shaka has not met expectations in March for 13 years.
What is the solution?
His offense is unwatchable.
Dude is lost post season...
The solution is to get another coach
Quote from: AlienWarrior on March 21, 2025, 08:58:59 PMThe solution is to get another coach
What are we doing here?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 08:59:37 PMWhat are we doing here?
Arguing about things that dont matter
We are trying to win a f_ing CHAMPIONSHIP!
I really don't like our "fans" sometimes
Quote from: AlienWarrior on March 21, 2025, 09:01:47 PMWe are trying to win a f_ing CHAMPIONSHIP!
So what do you think Marquette should do?
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 21, 2025, 09:02:36 PMI really don't like our "fans" sometimes
So many overly emotional children on Scoop.
Quote from: MU86NC on March 21, 2025, 08:57:12 PMDude is lost post season...
Dude was lost since Jan 3...
Quote from: AlienWarrior on March 21, 2025, 08:58:59 PMThe solution is to get another coach
I know the answer to this question already but are you really this dumb?
Four straight tourney trips. Amazing start and disappointing finish to the season. But the gaslighters go "woe is me". You wanna bring back Wojo? Yeah, no thanks.
Shaka is the best thing that's happened to this program in a long time. If 23-11 and a 7 seed is a down year. Sign me up for this forever.
And regardless. Maybe stop feeling sorry for yourselves and have some empathy for Kam, Stevie and Jop. Gonna miss those kids immensely and can't thank them enough for the joy and memories they've delivered over the last four years. The only thing I'm sad about tonight is that I don't get to see them in a MU uniform again. That sucks. They're warriors forever.
When the game mattered, Stevie got burned. Offensively he lost his confidence, has a great future with what ever he wants to do! Good luck! To bad he went out this way.
Shaka will get less and less quality recruits if he doesn't start embracing the transfer portal because the recruits will see a program that will not fill weaknesses to get better. You guys can defend Shaka all you want and yes he has done some nice things the past few years but the climate has changed. Many sports reporters have repeatedly added that Smart will not accept transfers almost every time his name comes up.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on March 21, 2025, 09:27:59 PMShaka will get less and less quality recruits if he doesn't start embracing the transfer portal because the recruits will see a program that will not fill weaknesses to get better. You guys can defend Shaka all you want and yes he has done some nice things the past few years but the climate has changed. Many sports reporters have repeatedly added that Smart will not accept transfers almost every time his name comes up.
Thank you for confirming you really are this dumb.
If 23-11 and a 7 seed is a down year.....
Add in first round loss, yes it's a down year.
Seriously we are COLE.
What a well thought out quality response!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 21, 2025, 09:29:10 PMThank you for confirming you really are this dumb.
He's said it three or four times now. It hasn't made sense once.
Quote from: IL Warrior on March 21, 2025, 08:50:22 PM2024-25: 7-seed, lost to 10. Underperformed seed expectation.
2023-24: 2 seed, beat 15 & 10, lost to 11. Underperformed seed expectation.
2022-23: 2-seed, beat 15, lost to 7. Underperformed seed expectation.
2021-22: 9-seed, lost to 8. Met seed expectation.
2020-21: 3-seed, lost to 14. Underperformed seed expectation.
2019-20: No tournament (COVID)
2018-19: NIT
2017-18: 10-seed, lost to 7. Met seed expectation.
2016-17: Missed postseason.
2015-16: 6-seed, lost to 11. Underperformed seed expectation.
2014-15: 7-seed, lost to 10. Underperformed seed expectation.
2013-14: 5-seed, lost to 12. Underperformed seed expectation.
2012-13: 5-seed, beat 12, lost to 4. Met seed expectation.
2011-12: 12-seed, beat 5, lost to 4. Beat seed expectation.
It has been 13 years since a Shaka-coached team performed better than their seed in March. He's only matched seed expectations 3 times in that span, and 2 of them are because 9-16 seeds aren't expected to win any games.
Shaka hasn't beaten a single digit seed since 2012.
He's had regular season success that we have not seen in a long time, but college basketball is about March. Shaka has not met expectations in March for 13 years.
interesting. Clearly a strong regular season coach based on the high ncaa tournament seeds. But post season tourney results are not exactly stellar. Hey, at least Shaka is consistent!!
Lose the "culture" Bull $hit....
Just win!
https://x.com/chrisfallica/status/1903260322804257177
Quote from: burger on March 21, 2025, 09:40:17 PMLose the "culture" Bull $hit....
Just win!
Totally! Let's go get Chris Beard or a Pitino. Build a program filled with kids who can't read or write. Love that idea. I'd be so proud to win 1-2 more games in March with a bunch of mercenaries instead of kids like Oso and Stevie.
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 21, 2025, 09:50:36 PMTotally! Let's go get Chris Beard or a Pitino. Build a program filled with kids who can't read or write. Love that idea. I'd be so proud to win 1-2 more games in March with a bunch of mercenaries instead of kids like Oso and Stevie.
like most things the truth is somewhere in the middle
The odds of Marquette winning another natty are not super high. But my faith is in Shaka that he'll get us there or very close. And do it with a team and an approach that reflects the values of MU. I'm probably naive and out of touch. But I don't want to win for the sake of winning. Shaka getting us there with this approach would be the ultimate story.
Not saying there aren't adjustments to be made. There are. But I'm very proud of our team, our coach and our seniors. College sports are being corrupted and we're competing at a high level with conviction and values.
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 21, 2025, 09:50:36 PMTotally! Let's go get Chris Beard or a Pitino. Build a program filled with kids who can't read or write. Love that idea. I'd be so proud to win 1-2 more games in March with a bunch of mercenaries instead of kids like Oso and Stevie.
Not saying I want this, but I was shocked during a number of games when the announcer noted that a player was previously at 3 or 4 different schools.
I prefer Marquette take the high road (like it is doing with Shaka), but there is a part of me that recognizes college athletics in major sports are minor league teams. It is difficult not to jump aboard the win at all costs mentality.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 09:27:22 PMWhen the game mattered, Stevie got burned. Offensively he lost his confidence, has a great future with what ever he wants to do! Good luck! To bad he went out this way.
Look man, I'm going to keep it real. Stevie probably has 5 injuries he won't talk about. He didn't play the last 15 minutes of that game.
He gave it all. If you want to place blame, look elsewhere.
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 21, 2025, 09:14:41 PMFour straight tourney trips. Amazing start and disappointing finish to the season. But the gaslighters go "woe is me". You wanna bring back Wojo? Yeah, no thanks.
Shaka is the best thing that's happened to this program in a long time. If 23-11 and a 7 seed is a down year. Sign me up for this forever.
And regardless. Maybe stop feeling sorry for yourselves and have some empathy for Kam, Stevie and Jop. Gonna miss those kids immensely and can't thank them enough for the joy and memories they've delivered over the last four years. The only thing I'm sad about tonight is that I don't get to see them in a MU uniform again. That sucks. They're warriors forever.
Watch the postgame press conference game press conference. So brutal for those guys.
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 21, 2025, 09:55:10 PMThe odds of Marquette winning another natty are not super high. But my faith is in Shaka that he'll get us there or very close. And do it with a team and an approach that reflects the values of MU. I'm probably naive and out of touch. But I don't want to win for the sake of winning. Shaka getting us there with this approach would be the ultimate story.
Not saying there aren't adjustments to be made. There are. But I'm very proud of our team, our coach and our seniors. College sports are being corrupted and we're competing at a high level with conviction and values.
The odds of anyone winning a natty -- even Auburn, Duke or Florida -- are not that great.
I can't believe the perspective of the posters in this room. Go watch the "Morning in America" Ronald Reagan commercial. The tag line describes my feeling well:
"Do we really want to go back to where we were just four short years ago?"
Toxic Entitlement: An unhealthy belief or attitude in which an individual feels an unwarranted and often exaggerated sense of deserving special treatment, privileges or recognition.
I'm glad there's none of this on Scoop!
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 21, 2025, 09:55:10 PMThe odds of Marquette winning another natty are not super high. But my faith is in Shaka that he'll get us there or very close. And do it with a team and an approach that reflects the values of MU. I'm probably naive and out of touch. But I don't want to win for the sake of winning. Shaka getting us there with this approach would be the ultimate story.
Not saying there aren't adjustments to be made. There are. But I'm very proud of our team, our coach and our seniors. College sports are being corrupted and we're competing at a high level with conviction and values.
Why though? He has failed in March at every challenge over the last 13 years. I'm also concerned about the level of Shaka's recruiting combined with not taking high level transfers. Our top 5 players in Shaka's tenure are 2 transfers (Kolek and Prosper) and 3 Wojo recruits (Jones, Mitchell, and Ighodaro). Next year will be telling with a roster of only Shaka's guys.
This thread topic is absurd and doesn't deserve attention.
Quote from: bradforster on March 21, 2025, 10:13:39 PMThis thread topic is absurd and doesn't deserve attention.
It clearly captured your attention.
Quote from: IL Warrior on March 21, 2025, 10:04:33 PMWhy though? He has failed in March at every challenge over the last 13 years. I'm also concerned about the level of Shaka's recruiting combined with not taking high level transfers. Our top 5 players in Shaka's tenure are 2 transfers (Kolek and Prosper) and 3 Wojo recruits (Jones, Mitchell, and Ighodaro). Next year will be telling with a roster of only Shaka's guys.
Yep. Sophomore and freshman classes have shown very little to be optimistic.
Quote from: IL Warrior on March 21, 2025, 10:04:33 PMWhy though? He has failed in March at every challenge over the last 13 years. I'm also concerned about the level of Shaka's recruiting combined with not taking high level transfers. Our top 5 players in Shaka's tenure are 2 transfers (Kolek and Prosper) and 3 Wojo recruits (Jones, Mitchell, and Ighodaro). Next year will be telling with a roster of only Shaka's guys.
Watch out for Chase, Parham and Owens next year.
And Zaide and Ben.
Quote from: muhoops1 on March 21, 2025, 10:01:21 PMWatch the postgame press conference game press conference. So brutal for those guys.
Yea watch the post game...especially the last question to Shaka. He didn't get enough help for Jones and wasted an all American, plain and simple, Shaka even said it is a fair criticism
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on March 21, 2025, 09:48:55 PMhttps://x.com/chrisfallica/status/1903260322804257177
That tweet should be irrelevant to everyone on this board, because Shaka has been at Marquette for just 4 seasons.
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 21, 2025, 09:50:36 PMTotally! Let's go get Chris Beard or a Pitino. Build a program filled with kids who can't read or write. Love that idea. I'd be so proud to win 1-2 more games in March with a bunch of mercenaries instead of kids like Oso and Stevie.
So you weren't proud of our team when we had Kolek and O-Max?
St John's starters:
Richmond - grad transfer
Zuby - 2 years at St John's
Luis - 2 years at St John's
Wilcher - signed as a freshman
Scott - grad transfer
How about Michigan State with 11 high school signees and 2 grad transfers? Creighton which starts three signees and two transfers and brings guys they signed out of HS off the bench? Are those two programs ones fans shouldn't be proud of?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2025, 10:01:01 PMLook man, I'm going to keep it real. Stevie probably has 5 injuries he won't talk about. He didn't play the last 15 minutes of that game.
He gave it all. If you want to place blame, look elsewhere.
Don't play him then? Let Zaide loose. Blind loyalty. Chase too. Guy clearly had a broken thumb or wrist and we still allowed him to go out there and jack up shots all year.
Am missing AL and President Lovell tonight
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 21, 2025, 09:14:41 PMIf 23-11 and a 7 seed is a down year. Sign me up for this forever.
This appears to be the issue here: Some folks are satisfied if we are better than DePaul and Butler.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 21, 2025, 09:29:10 PMThank you for confirming you really are this dumb.
why put the guy down with a personal insult? Can't you disagree with a thoughtful counter point?
Quote from: IL Warrior on March 21, 2025, 10:22:49 PMIt clearly captured your attention.
Yes - it captured my attention enough to tell the author of it he's an ingrate.
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on March 21, 2025, 09:48:55 PMhttps://x.com/chrisfallica/status/1903260322804257177
It's not a great stat for us, but I'm also of the opinion parity is skewing some of this, especially those between 5 and 12.
Maybe it's always been like this and the analytics just show it more, but it seems like many of these teams are closer than they used to be.
Shaka has been here for 4 years. Texas is about to be on their 3rd coach since then. Oops.
Quote from: bradforster on March 22, 2025, 12:45:03 AMYes - it captured my attention enough to tell the author of it he's an ingrate.
Resorting to name-calling because some facts hurt your feelings? Real mature.
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 21, 2025, 09:50:36 PMTotally! Let's go get Chris Beard or a Pitino. Build a program filled with kids who can't read or write. Love that idea. I'd be so proud to win 1-2 more games in March with a bunch of mercenaries instead of kids like Oso and Stevie.
Have you given them comprehension and aptitude tests?
As I recall Louisville had to vacate their natty.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on March 21, 2025, 09:27:59 PMShaka will get less and less quality recruits if he doesn't start embracing the transfer portal because the recruits will see a program that will not fill weaknesses to get better. You guys can defend Shaka all you want and yes he has done some nice things the past few years but the climate has changed. Many sports reporters have repeatedly added that Smart will not accept transfers almost every time his name comes up.
Heard a clip yesterday. MU only team in Power 5 conferences that has not taken a portal kid. Hmmmmm.....
Quote from: dgies9156 on March 21, 2025, 10:02:07 PMThe odds of anyone winning a natty -- even Auburn, Duke or Florida -- are not that great.
I can't believe the perspective of the posters in this room. Go watch the "Morning in America" Ronald Reagan commercial. The tag line describes my feeling well:
"Do we really want to go back to where we were just four short years ago?"
Except UConn
Look at all the national titles we have won since Al and now the sudden downturn. This is unacceptable!
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 21, 2025, 09:50:36 PMTotally! Let's go get Chris Beard or a Pitino. Build a program filled with kids who can't read or write. Love that idea. I'd be so proud to win 1-2 more games in March with a bunch of mercenaries instead of kids like Oso and Stevie.
Careful with posts like these, Scoopers still haven't adjusted to life without teal.
Quote from: IL Warrior on March 21, 2025, 08:50:22 PM2024-25: 7-seed, lost to 10. Underperformed seed expectation.
2023-24: 2 seed, beat 15 & 10, lost to 11. Underperformed seed expectation.
2022-23: 2-seed, beat 15, lost to 7. Underperformed seed expectation.
2021-22: 9-seed, lost to 8. Met seed expectation.
2020-21: 3-seed, lost to 14. Underperformed seed expectation.
2019-20: No tournament (COVID)
2018-19: NIT
2017-18: 10-seed, lost to 7. Met seed expectation.
2016-17: Missed postseason.
2015-16: 6-seed, lost to 11. Underperformed seed expectation.
2014-15: 7-seed, lost to 10. Underperformed seed expectation.
2013-14: 5-seed, lost to 12. Underperformed seed expectation.
2012-13: 5-seed, beat 12, lost to 4. Met seed expectation.
2011-12: 12-seed, beat 5, lost to 4. Beat seed expectation.
It has been 13 years since a Shaka-coached team performed better than their seed in March. He's only matched seed expectations 3 times in that span, and 2 of them are because 9-16 seeds aren't expected to win any games.
Shaka hasn't beaten a single digit seed since 2012.
He's had regular season success that we have not seen in a long time, but college basketball is about March. Shaka has not met expectations in March for 13 years.
Argument can definitely be made 2022 was underperformance. They were uncompetitive against UNC. Is that still the most lopsided 8/9 game ever? Think it is.
Quote from: MarquetteVol on March 21, 2025, 09:50:36 PMTotally! Let's go get Chris Beard or a Pitino. Build a program filled with kids who can't read or write. Love that idea. I'd be so proud to win 1-2 more games in March with a bunch of mercenaries instead of kids like Oso and Stevie.
Do you honestly think this board gives two shits about what these kids can and can't do. I understand it's a reflection of the school but I'm a basketball fan. I don't care what they amount to if anything once they are gone. Similar they could care less about us.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 22, 2025, 08:03:43 AMDo you honestly think this board gives two shits about what these kids can and can't do. I understand it's a reflection of the school but I'm a basketball fan. I don't care what they amount to if anything once they are gone. Similar they could care less about us.
Pathetic.
I think it would be more constructive to talk about our roster moving forward and ways in which Shaka can improve during the tournament. The way we closed the game for example, was pretty much an abomination.
One thing I didn't understand is RP's extended mins. He couldn't guard at all, so when Ben got his 4th, I think we should have gone small and moved Jop to the 5 to close.
It was also a no brainer for Kam to try to close the show for us, regardless if he didn't have a great game. He deferred at times inexplicably, and was hesitant launching all day long. He could have gotten those 6-8 foot shots in the paint pretty much at will but did not do that nearly enough. In general our lack of paint attacks either to score or move the rock pretty much sucked. We almost never get easy buckets in the h-c because many of our guys either play hot potato once they touch it, or were standing around like Easter Island 🗿. We have to be more creative in our offense, find multiple guys that can make plays, and add a knock down shooter. It's imperative.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 22, 2025, 08:18:30 AMOne thing I didn't understand is RP's extended mins. He couldn't guard at all, so when Ben got his 4th, I think we should have gone small and moved Jop to the 5
Interesting observation. I felt the same about Royce, people give Ben a lot of crap, but he can defend the way Shaka wants to defend. Royce couldn't keep up. I just thought, welp, we are in trouble. Would have been interesting to see Jop at the 5.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on March 22, 2025, 08:36:55 AMInteresting observation. I felt the same about Royce, people give Ben a lot of crap, but he can defend the way Shaka wants to defend. Royce couldn't keep up. I just thought, welp, we are in trouble. Would have been interesting to see Jop at the 5.
Jump, he could not defend. Or rebound for that matter. It's beyond deflating when you allow chippies under 8 mins. Our doubles were also not nearly as forceful or tactically sound as they should have been. It's about when and how you trap/double. Their big just dismantled us like he was Moses or Karl Malone. Can't happen Jump.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on March 21, 2025, 09:27:59 PMShaka will get less and less quality recruits if he doesn't start embracing the transfer portal because the recruits will see a program that will not fill weaknesses to get better. You guys can defend Shaka all you want and yes he has done some nice things the past few years but the climate has changed. Many sports reporters have repeatedly added that Smart will not accept transfers almost every time his name comes up.
I completely agree. I'm a "rising tides lifts all boats" believer and it's a disservice to our guys to not put the best possible pieces around them for success. When Shaka brought up Sean in the press conference yesterday, I almost sensed a little bit of regret from Shaka for not getting Kam some more help at guard given the good possibility Sean wouldn't be ready.
Also, the whole everyone is buddies with each other naturally lowers the standard over time. It's good to have an outsider or two that helps keep everyone in check including the coaching staff. For example, Kolek was an outsider and just had a much different level of maturity and seriousness about him that made a huge difference. This year felt a bit like the "noon ball" Wojo early years where it was more about having fun than winning.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 22, 2025, 08:45:45 AMI completely agree. I'm a "rising tides lifts all boats" believer and it's a disservice to our guys to not put the best possible pieces around them for success. When Shaka brought up Sean in the press conference yesterday, I almost sensed a little bit of regret from Shaka for not getting Kam some more help at guard given the good possibility Sean wouldn't be ready.
Also, the whole everyone is buddies with each other naturally lowers the standard over time. It's good to have an outsider or two that helps keep everyone in check including the coaching staff. For example, Kolek was an outsider and just had a much different level of maturity and seriousness about him that made a huge difference. This year felt a bit like the "noon ball" Wojo early years where it was more about having fun than winning.
Kolek was not an "outsider". That was essentially an entirely new team and not a relevant comparison to bringing in a big portal piece when you have 10+ guys coming back.
Shaka is smart enough to make the right decisions on whether to dive into the transfer portal. Agree with countryroads that you could hear it in his voice when discussing SJ and even seemed to be careful about how to answer the question about having the right personnel off the bench. I know he's talked about his philosophy of the portal but he's no dummy. If he needs to he will bring a guy in to fill a development gap. He will choose wisely and make sure it is a cultural fit. Maybe it's all just a hunch but he's used the portal before and he will do it again IF necessary and IF the right guy is there.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 22, 2025, 08:12:19 AMPathetic.
Yea I'm pathetic for saying what 99% of this board is thinking.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 22, 2025, 09:09:52 AMYea I'm pathetic for saying what 99% of this board is thinking.
I guarantee you 99% of this board isn't aligned with you regarding not caring about the type of people Marquette recruits or caring about what happens to the players post-Marquette. In fact, I think your view is in the minority.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on March 21, 2025, 09:27:59 PMShaka will get less and less quality recruits if he doesn't start embracing the transfer portal because the recruits will see a program that will not fill weaknesses to get better. You guys can defend Shaka all you want and yes he has done some nice things the past few years but the climate has changed. Many sports reporters have repeatedly added that Smart will not accept transfers almost every time his name comes up.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 22, 2025, 08:03:43 AMDo you honestly think this board gives two shits about what these kids can and can't do. I understand it's a reflection of the school but I'm a basketball fan. I don't care what they amount to if anything once they are gone. Similar they could care less about us.
The CoS is happy for playing for juice boxes and oranges after the game as long as the "team played hard."
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 22, 2025, 09:26:09 AMThe CoS is happy for playing for juice boxes and oranges after the game as long as the "team played hard."
Milkshakes and culture baby
Quote from: Mutaman on March 22, 2025, 12:28:32 AMThis appears to be the issue here: Some folks are satisfied if we are better than DePaul and Butler.
More than some.
Happy I was able to witness Marquette's run to the championship in 77 and understand wanting to win another. However, that was 48 years ago, and other than 2003, we've not had a team that appeared title ready, and even that team got destroyed in the Final Four.
Anything is possible, but I don't expect another title for Marquette. I expect a competitive team with some March success, but just as importantly, I want to see MU scholar athletes on the court. I know, the game (and world) has passed me by, but there's more to life than basketball, and I would rather see Stevie for four years than a bunch of one year mercenaries. Maybe there's a middle ground, but I don't see it.
Quote from: Mutaman on March 22, 2025, 12:28:32 AMThis appears to be the issue here: Some folks are satisfied if we are better than DePaul and Butler.
DePaul will have a better roster next year
Quote from: 83ENG on March 22, 2025, 09:59:03 AMHappy I was able to witness Marquette's run to the championship in 77 and understand wanting to win another. However, that was 48 years ago, and other than 2003, we've not had a team that appeared title ready, and even that team got destroyed in the Final Four.
Anything is possible, but I don't expect another title for Marquette. I expect a competitive team with some March success, but just as importantly, I want to see MU scholar athletes on the court. I know, the game (and world) has passed me by, but there's more to life than basketball, and I would rather see Stevie for four years than a bunch of one year mercenaries. Maybe there's a middle ground, but I don't see it.
I'd rather have a team that is physically and mentally tough enough to compete with the best teams in the country. As the season went on we were not even close to that.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 22, 2025, 10:04:24 AMI'd rather have a team that is physically and mentally tough enough to compete with the best teams in the country. As the season went on we were not even close to that.
Sorry if you don't think our guys were tough enough. I disagree. They weren't talented or deep enough.
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 22, 2025, 08:51:13 AMShaka is smart enough to make the right decisions on whether to dive into the transfer portal. Agree with countryroads that you could hear it in his voice when discussing SJ and even seemed to be careful about how to answer the question about having the right personnel off the bench. I know he's talked about his philosophy of the portal but he's no dummy. If he needs to he will bring a guy in to fill a development gap. He will choose wisely and make sure it is a cultural fit. Maybe it's all just a hunch but he's used the portal before and he will do it again IF necessary and IF the right guy is there.
Agree. I think there will be some changes coming.
Not have SJ available was certainly a bummer. Would have really helped Kam.
Shaka knows what has to be done. I would expect a player or two to leave and that will open up some options.
Quote from: MU_CHI on March 22, 2025, 12:20:04 AMDon't play him then? Let Zaide loose. Blind loyalty. Chase too. Guy clearly had a broken thumb or wrist and we still allowed him to go out there and jack up shots all year.
Ross played 38 minutes and had a line of 5 points, 2 Reb, and 2 Assists.
Zaide played for 15 minutes last night, and had 4/3/0. And he was healthy.
Stevie's defense, even when injured is elite, and that's why he played. He's a senior and it's the tournament. I'm sure he wanted to play the entire game, but was clearly injured. Even though he was, he was still the best option when he could go. He scored 11 and 16 in his previous two games.
Do people just say things around here without checking stats? Yes, what was I thinking, of course they do. Clown ass behavior.
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Quote from: IL Warrior on March 21, 2025, 08:50:22 PM2024-25: 7-seed, lost to 10. Underperformed seed expectation.
2023-24: 2 seed, beat 15 & 10, lost to 11. Underperformed seed expectation.
2022-23: 2-seed, beat 15, lost to 7. Underperformed seed expectation.
2021-22: 9-seed, lost to 8. Met seed expectation.
2020-21: 3-seed, lost to 14. Underperformed seed expectation.
2019-20: No tournament (COVID) [see ESPN excerpt below]
2018-19: NIT
2017-18: 10-seed, lost to 7. Met seed expectation.
2016-17: Missed postseason.
2015-16: 6-seed, lost to 11. Underperformed seed expectation.
2014-15: 7-seed, lost to 10. Underperformed seed expectation.
2013-14: 5-seed, lost to 12. Underperformed seed expectation.
2012-13: 5-seed, beat 12, lost to 4. Met seed expectation.
2011-12: 12-seed, beat 5, lost to 4. Beat seed expectation.
It has been 13 years since a Shaka-coached team performed better than their seed in March. He's only matched seed expectations 3 times in that span, and 2 of them are because 9-16 seeds aren't expected to win any games.
Shaka hasn't beaten a single digit seed since 2012.
He's had regular season success that we have not seen in a long time, but college basketball is about March. Shaka has not met expectations in March for 13 years.
IL Warrior – thank you for your excellent post. Much appreciated.
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March 11, 2020QuoteBig East
Locks: Seton Hall, Villanova, Creighton, Butler
Should be in:
Providence Friars
Whatever Ed Cooley is doing with this offense, he should keep doing it. Providence ended the season with six straight wins, and over that stretch, the Friars recorded a robust 1.11 points per possession. Those numbers were helped along by Providence's 93-55 win over DePaul in the season finale, a game in which A.J. Reeves, Nate Watson, Alpha Diallo and David Duke all scored at least 16 points. With a top-40 NET ranking and a projected No. 9 seed in the mock brackets, high-scoring Providence is entering the Big East tournament on a high note.
Marquette Golden Eagles
For a second consecutive season, Marquette is staggering to the finish line. With their 88-86 defeat at St. John's, the Golden Eagles closed the regular season by losing six of seven games. In theory, Steve Wojciechowski's men should still be fine. Marquette had a top-25 NET ranking and was being shown as a No. 8 seed in the mock brackets before the loss to the Red Storm. Nevertheless, that projected seed will continue to fall, and a loss in the quarterfinals at the Big East tournament would, at a minimum, raise the question for the first time of whether this team is really going to get a bid.
Work to do:
Xavier Musketeers
We don't know with certainty that the Musketeers won't make the tournament, but we do know Kamar Baldwin didn't help matters. It was Baldwin who sank the winning 3 for Butler at Xavier on the last day of the regular season. The loss bumped Travis Steele's men down to the No. 7 line in the Big East tournament bracket, where they promptly lost 71-67 to DePaul. That goes into the books as a Quad 2 defeat, which, ordinarily need not be disastrous. A projected NCAA tournament No. 11 seed like the Musketeers, however, cannot afford to take these chances.
And look on the bright side. You didn't lose to Chattanooga by 15 point in the NIT today.
Best of luck going forward. You have a great HS Class of 2025 arriving in the fall:
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no one asked.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 22, 2025, 11:06:25 AMAgree. I think there will be some changes coming.
Not have SJ available was certainly a bummer. Would have really helped Kam.
Shaka knows what has to be done. I would expect a player or two to leave and that will open up some options.
How are you assured that Shaka knows what has to be done? If he did, how can this year be explained.
when 37% of your scoring comes from threes, but you're 236th in the country in 3p%, and you eschew even attempting to get offensive boards in favor of getting back on defense, then a)that's a recipe for early tourney exits, and b)who can you blame but the coach? at what point does being critical of this obviously mismanaged team stop being "bad fans" or "childish posters"'and simply become an adult conversation about Shaka Smart and his obvious, longstanding deficiciencies?
Quote from: The Rural Juror on March 22, 2025, 03:42:05 PMwhen 37% of your scoring comes from threes, but you're 236th in the country in 3p%, and you eschew even attempting to get offensive boards in favor of getting back on defense, then a)that's a recipe for early tourney exits, and b)who can you blame but the coach? at what point does being critical of this obviously mismanaged team stop being "bad fans" or "childish posters"'and simply become an adult conversation about Shaka Smart and his obvious, longstanding deficiciencies?
I actually love the 3 shooting offense - when it's not stepbacks/pullups/off the dribble.
But then gotta sincerely recruit or develop 3 shooters
And look on the bright side. You didn't lose to Chattanooga by 15 point in the NIT today.
Even more depressing now - Marquette lost to a Dayton squad who lost to Chattanooga by 15.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 22, 2025, 05:30:49 PMAnd look on the bright side. You didn't lose to Chattanooga by 15 point in the NIT today.
Even more depressing now - Marquette lost to a Dayton squad who lost to Chattanooga by 15.
Yes, the transitive property is proven method of analysis.
Quote from: The Rural Juror on March 22, 2025, 03:42:05 PMwhen 37% of your scoring comes from threes, but you're 236th in the country in 3p%, and you eschew even attempting to get offensive boards in favor of getting back on defense
We were the 179th best offensive rebounding team in the country. That's pretty much exactly average. We were 4th in Big East play
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 22, 2025, 05:30:49 PMEven more depressing now - Marquette lost to a Dayton squad who lost to Chattanooga by 15.
Ok negative Nancy. We also beat two of the current sweet 16 teams. That's as irrelevant as the Dayton loss now.
Having listened to Shaka speak numerous times during the season about Sean coming back from injury, I think he fully expected him back this year. He sounded very disappointed when the announcement was made that he would wait until next year to come back. I do think Sean would have helped a lot if he played this year and we would have seen the best of Kam the shooter if that did happen.
I wonder, and it's purely speculation from someone who posted it once on here, that there is a chance he could go elsewhere. I was quick to dismiss but maybe it could happen and if it did it could be because of that decision.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 24, 2025, 09:40:17 AMI wonder, and it's purely speculation from someone who posted it once on here, that there is a chance he could go elsewhere. I was quick to dismiss but maybe it could happen and if it did it could be because of that decision.
Sean or Shaka?
Did anyone say vacate?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2025, 09:33:58 AMOk negative Nancy. We also beat two of the current sweet 16 teams. That's as irrelevant as the Dayton loss now.
Beating those 2 teams was 3 months ago. The last almost 3 months the tram has been flameout city. This should be a real cause for concern,
Quote from: willie warrior on March 24, 2025, 02:05:13 PMBeating those 2 teams was 3 months ago. The last almost 3 months the tram has been flameout city. This should be a real cause for concern,
So it's ok to still cry about losing to a team 3 months ago but not ok to bring up the impressive wins? Neither is relevant to now.
And yes I agree the last two months (we were fine till NMD if I recall) have been hugely disappointing
Quote from: willie warrior on March 24, 2025, 02:05:13 PMBeating those 2 teams was 3 months ago. The last almost 3 months the tram has been flameout city. This should be a real cause for concern,
Was the tram going to Shelbyville?
Always appreciate posters who help me out with my ignore list by posting these kind of topics.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2025, 02:09:15 PMSo it's ok to still cry about losing to a team 3 months ago but not ok to bring up the impressive wins? Neither is relevant to now.
And yes I agree the last two months (we were fine till NMD if I recall) have been hugely disappointing
The flameout is relvant because it just happened. If you are not concerned about that, congrats on being accepted to COLE
Quote from: willie warrior on March 24, 2025, 07:05:13 PMThe flameout is relvant because it just happened. If you are not concerned about that, congrats on being accepted to COLE
The flameout is different than Dayton Willie. We were still in that stretch of being a good team that had an anomaly. Flameout would've been mentioning Nova, X, Creighton, UConn x2, SJU x3, or NM
To your second sentence I think you default to anger to quickly and don't realize when a person literally writes they agree
Shaka took over a program from WOJ that was a complete mess, so what is the solution,Tom Crean, fired twice, Buzz Williams, his leaving MU was disgraceful. The fact of the matter is, is that the talent was not as good as we thought. Kam Jones was the only player that could create his own shot, and when teams found out MU couldn't shoot 3's consistently, they started zoning MU to take away the middle from Kam, and when you can't punish teams playing zone by making 3's, you have trouble winning. My view is that Shaka did one of his best coaching jobs this season, because he got more out of what he had to work with, and that's what good coaches do. They had early success until the zones started appearing to stifle Kam, and dare MU to make 3's, which they could not do consistently enough. Stevie and Chase are inconsistent shooters at best, and Jop was hot some games, and others he couldn't mail it in if the postage was prepaid. Which brings me to Ben Gold. Some games he disappeared faster than Houdini, and in the BE semifinal game against St. John's at the MSG, he played scared and looked intimidated the whole game. He's definitely talented, but he needs to develop his inside game, which will provide better opportunities for him to shoot 3's, and, he needs to get in the weight room and toughen up. I think Shaka got as much out of what he had to work with as he could, and look at what he's done over the last 4 years. Under WOJ, MU was not even an afterthought, we weren't even in the conversation. There's talent on the roster, and he has a really good recruiting class coming in. I'm not worried about the program, it's headed in the right direction, and he clearly sees the big picture. NIL has changed the college mens bball landscape, and MU knew that Shaka wanted to build from within when they hired him, and his approach is novel, but so far I have no complaints. Under WOJ we had 7 years of mediocrity, and under Shaka MU is and will always be in the conversation...and I like that!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2025, 07:08:58 PMThe flameout is different than Dayton Willie. We were still in that stretch of being a good team that had an anomaly. Flameout would've been mentioning Nova, X, Creighton, UConn x2, SJU x3, or NM
To your second sentence I think you default to anger to quickly and don't realize when a person literally writes they agree
Don't see any anger at all. Too many people on this board have low expectations as evidenced by the excuses offered for this year's performance flameout. If you have higher expectations, great. So do I. But the direction does not feel right for that.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2025, 05:56:44 AMDon't see any anger at all. Too many people on this board have low expectations as evidenced by the excuses offered for this year's performance flameout. If you have higher expectations, great. So do I. But the direction does not feel right for that.
No, little willie. Our expectations are irrelevant. This is a message board. We are not the administration. We are a bunch of dumbasses on the internet talking about basketball. You're imploring us to have higher expectations. What would an angrier message board do? Do you think it would have ANY material impact on the program? If this entire place was just bitching about our coach not being Al McGuire do you think it would solve anything? Would you feel better?
No one likes losing, but if you can find a way to assure wins year in and year out you should probably be a coach. You'd be undefeated, I'm sure. ::)
But you can't do any of those things. You're just a dumbass on a message board along with the rest of us.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2025, 09:33:58 AMOk negative Nancy. We also beat two of the current sweet 16 teams. That's as irrelevant as the Dayton loss now.
But we lost to Dayton while we were supposedly a good team at the time. That's even worse now that you point that out.
It is a fact that Shaka's record at Texas was remarkably similar to Wojo's at MU.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 07:23:18 AMNo, little willie. Our expectations are irrelevant. This is a message board. We are not the administration. We are a bunch of dumbasses on the internet talking about basketball. You're imploring us to have higher expectations. What would an angrier message board do? Do you think it would have ANY material impact on the program? If this entire place was just bitching about our coach not being Al McGuire do you think it would solve anything? Would you feel better?
No one likes losing, but if you can find a way to assure wins year in and year out you should probably be a coach. You'd be undefeated, I'm sure. ::)
But you can't do any of those things. You're just a dumbass on a message board along with the rest of us.
I am 78. With my years of wisdom, it is impossible for me to be a dumbass. Senile, cognitively impaired, forgetful; absolutely, but not a dumbass. After all, most here attended or graduated MU. So, we all cannot be dumbasses.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 25, 2025, 09:47:35 AMI am 78. With my years of wisdom, it is impossible for me to be a dumbass. Senile, cognitively impaired, forgetful; absolutely, but not a dumbass. After all, most here attended or graduated MU. So, we all cannot be dumbasses.
Plus, you've mastered teal!
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2025, 05:56:44 AMDon't see any anger at all. Too many people on this board have low expectations as evidenced by the excuses offered for this year's performance flameout. If you have higher expectations, great. So do I. But the direction does not feel right for that.
Al is a legend we all love and we would agree is the bar.
But Al was as good a salesman as he was a coach.
Marquette was an independent back then and could schedule who they wanted.
A lot of cupcakes in the schedule.
Would Al have been as successful if in a conference like the Big East?
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 25, 2025, 10:01:03 AMAl is a legend we all love and we would agree is the bar.
But Al was as good a salesman as he was a coach.
Marquette was an independent back then and could schedule who they wanted.
A lot of cupcakes in the schedule.
Would Al have been as successful if in a conference like the Big East?
during the 1976-77 season MU played seven teams ranked in the top 20. They played home and homes with DePaul and Bucky and finished the season with five straight road games. Not exactly "cupcake city" except for the opener against St. Leo. And during Al's tenure MU played fewer regular season games than the 31 + the BE tourney they can play these days.
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 25, 2025, 10:01:03 AMAl is a legend we all love and we would agree is the bar.
But Al was as good a salesman as he was a coach.
Marquette was an independent back then and could schedule who they wanted.
A lot of cupcakes in the schedule.
Would Al have been as successful if in a conference like the Big East?
This peaked my curiosity so u decided to take a look. If we say that Al began his era on top when we lost in the NIT finals then here's the ranked games by year:
67: 0-0
68: 0-2 (Houston & Kentucky
69: 2-1 (Detroit, Kentucky, Purdue)
70: 0-0
71: 4-1 (Fordham, ND, MiamiOH, OSU, UK)
72: 3-2 (Marshall, USC, UM, UK, MN)
73: 3-3 (UT, Mem, MN, CSLB, IU, AP)
74: 5-2 (AZ,CSLB, ND, Vandy, UM, KU, NCST)
75: 2-2 (Ville, USC, Creighton, UK)
76: 4-1 (VATech, Ville, ND, WMU, IU)
77: 6-5 (Ville, MN, Clem, Cincy, ND. Detroit, Cincy, UM, WFU, UNCC, UNC)
Take from this what you will, but most of these happened in the tournament as well.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2025, 10:23:05 AMduring the 1976-77 season MU played seven teams ranked in the top 20. They played home and homes with DePaul and Bucky and finished the season with five straight road games. Not exactly "cupcake city" except for the opener against St. Leo. And during Al's tenure MU played fewer regular season games than the 31 + the BE tourney they can play these days.
Bucky... the team whose only respectable year during Al was 16-8 in 74
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 25, 2025, 10:27:37 AMBucky... the team whose only respectable year during Al was 16-8 in 74
rivalry games are rivalry games, especially when we were playing at the Fieldhouse once a year.
However the biggest thing about the "98 wins in four years" is that Shaka had more opportunities for wins (6 more at a minimum before the tourney). Much like offensive stats in football (especially passing yards) you really can't compare eras.
I'm not posting any of these to slag on Shaka, but the whole more wins than Al over a four year stretch thing is just what, a stretch.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 08:08:00 AMIt is a fact that Shaka's record at Texas was remarkably similar to Wojo's at MU.
That's true. Unlike Wojo, however, Shaka had a history indicating that he could do better. Shaka also obviously had a little more going on in the coconut. Another similarity is that Shaka was a bad fit for Texas just like Wojo was a bad fit for MU. I do wonder whether Wojo has any interest in coaching at the college level again. He is getting a few years removed from it and he might prefer an assistant's job in the pros.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 25, 2025, 09:47:35 AMI am 78. With my years of wisdom, it is impossible for me to be a dumbass. Senile, cognitively impaired, forgetful; absolutely, but not a dumbass. After all, most here attended or graduated MU. So, we all cannot be dumbasses.
I am glad that little Warrior recognizes he is a dumbass. He said it, I did not. And as far as what i would do to improve the team, I have stated many times what needs to be done. As far as MU grads being smart asses, I have no dog in that hunt, however there are a few here here that approach Notre Dame dumb ass status.
I want MU to compete for conference championships and natties. Make deep runs. There is not any excuse that they cant. They have the resources, They are a good University They have a stubborn coach who apparently is stuck on his philosophy, but he is a good coach that needs to change and adapt. If player agents are becoming a norm, then Shaka needs to earn his salary and deal with that issue. It does not feel that saying no to those players is taking the team where we would like it to go.
The ones that whine and cry about not winning chips assumes that no one else wants to win chips because no one else is whining and crying about it.
Everyone's on the same page about what the goal is. Some trust Shaka to continue to have success with his methods, other's do not. Until the success consistently starts drying up, I will continue to trust Shaka.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 25, 2025, 09:47:35 AMI am 78. With my years of wisdom, it is impossible for me to be a dumbass. Senile, cognitively impaired, forgetful; absolutely, but not a dumbass. After all, most here attended or graduated MU. So, we all cannot be dumbasses.
I am glad that little Warrior recognizes he is a dumbass. He said it, I did not. And as far as what i would do to improve the team, I have stated many times what needs to be done. As far as MU grads being smart asses, I have no dog in that hunt, however there are a few here here that approach Notre Dame dumb ass status.
I want MU to compete for conference championships and natties. Make deep runs. There is not any excuse that they cant. They have the resources, They are a good University They have a stubborn coach who apparently is stuck on his philosophy, but he is a good coach that needs to change and adapt. If player agents are becoming a norm, then Shaka needs to earn his salary and deal with that issue. It does not feel that saying no to those players is taking the team where we would like it to go.
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 25, 2025, 10:01:03 AMAl is a legend we all love and we would agree is the bar.
But Al was as good a salesman as he was a coach.
Marquette was an independent back then and could schedule who they wanted.
A lot of cupcakes in the schedule.
Would Al have been as successful if in a conference like the Big East?
What you said is pretty accurate. One thing Al did was to bring in studs every year. Look at that track record: Thompson, Meminger, Lee, Ellis, Mc Neil, Lucas, Walton, Tatum, Whitehead and many others, as well as complementary players. So he had a formula to build his team. He was successful. Not sure that the team is going in right direction now. Hope Shaka gets it done, but he needs to accelerate.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2025, 10:39:51 AMI am glad that little Warrior recognizes he is a dumbass. He said it, I did not. And as far as what i would do to improve the team, I have stated many times what needs to be done. As far as MU grads being smart asses, I have no dog in that hunt, however there are a few here here that approach Notre Dame dumb ass status.
I want MU to compete for conference championships and natties. Make deep runs. There is not any excuse that they cant. They have the resources, They are a good University They have a stubborn coach who apparently is stuck on his philosophy, but he is a good coach that needs to change and adapt. If player agents are becoming a norm, then Shaka needs to earn his salary and deal with that issue. It does not feel that saying no to those players is taking the team where we would like it to go.
Everyone here is entitled to their opinion. It's the ad hominins I try to avoid and the point of my post.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2025, 10:47:31 AMI am glad that little Warrior recognizes he is a dumbass. He said it, I did not. And as far as what i would do to improve the team, I have stated many times what needs to be done. As far as MU grads being smart asses, I have no dog in that hunt, however there are a few here here that approach Notre Dame dumb ass status.
I want MU to compete for conference championships and natties. Make deep runs. There is not any excuse that they cant. They have the resources, They are a good University They have a stubborn coach who apparently is stuck on his philosophy, but he is a good coach that needs to change and adapt. If player agents are becoming a norm, then Shaka needs to earn his salary and deal with that issue. It does not feel that saying no to those players is taking the team where we would like it to go. What you said is pretty accurate. One thing Al did was to bring in studs every year. Look at that track record: Thompson, Meminger, Lee, Ellis, Mc Neil, Lucas, Walton, Tatum, Whitehead and many others, as well as complementary players. So he had a formula to build his team. He was successful. Not sure that the team is going in right direction now. Hope Shaka gets it done, but he needs to accelerate.
Al had phenomenal players and credit Al for being able to land them. I just can't rate Shaka yet. I think he is an exceptional coach.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2025, 10:35:46 AMrivalry games are rivalry games, especially when we were playing at the Fieldhouse once a year.
However the biggest thing about the "98 wins in four years" is that Shaka had more opportunities for wins (6 more at a minimum before the tourney). Much like offensive stats in football (especially passing yards) you really can't compare eras.
I'm not posting any of these to slag on Shaka, but the whole more wins than Al over a four year stretch thing is just what, a stretch.
By that logic we should include DePaul as a tough out twice a year because "rivalry"
But yes I 100% agree with the other point.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 25, 2025, 11:18:24 AMBy that logic we should include DePaul as a tough out twice a year because "rivalry"
But yes I 100% agree with the other point.
Ah yes. DePaul. There was an era when they had stud teams with stud players. How they have fallen.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 25, 2025, 12:54:09 PMAh yes. DePaul. There was an era when they had stud teams with stud players. How they have fallen.
When? Were dinosaurs around?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 01:53:37 PMWhen? Were dinosaurs around?
The Ray Meyer years in the 70s:
1973–74 DePaul 16–9
1974–75 DePaul 15–10
1975–76 DePaul 20–9 NCAA Division I Sweet 16
1976–77 DePaul 15–12
1977–78 DePaul 27–3 NCAA Division I Elite Eight
1978–79 DePaul 26–6 NCAA Division I Final Four
1979–80 DePaul 26–2 NCAA Division I second round
1980–81 DePaul 27–2 NCAA Division I second round
1981–82 DePaul 26–2 NCAA Division I second round
1982–83 DePaul 21–12 NIT Runner-up
1983–84 DePaul 27–3 NCAA Division I Sweet 16
The Joey Meyer years:
1984–85 DePaul 19–10 NCAA Division I first round
1985–86 DePaul 18–13 NCAA Division I Sweet 16
1986–87 DePaul 28–3 NCAA Division I Sweet 16
1987–88 DePaul 22–8 NCAA Division I second round
1988–89 DePaul 21–12 NCAA Division I second round
1989–90 DePaul 20–15 NIT Quarterfinals
1990–91 DePaul 20–9 NCAA Division I first round
1991–92 DePaul 20–9 8–2 T–1st NCAA Division I first round
Conference membership really hurt DePaul. They've only made the NCAA tourney three times since joining a conference (The GMC) in 1991-92 and the NIT six times since then.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 01:53:37 PMWhen? Were dinosaurs around?
Before the giant took a nap...
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2025, 02:30:49 PMThe Ray Meyer years in the 70s:
1973–74 DePaul 16–9
1974–75 DePaul 15–10
1975–76 DePaul 20–9 NCAA Division I Sweet 16
1976–77 DePaul 15–12
1977–78 DePaul 27–3 NCAA Division I Elite Eight
1978–79 DePaul 26–6 NCAA Division I Final Four
1979–80 DePaul 26–2 NCAA Division I second round
1980–81 DePaul 27–2 NCAA Division I second round
1981–82 DePaul 26–2 NCAA Division I second round
1982–83 DePaul 21–12 NIT Runner-up
1983–84 DePaul 27–3 NCAA Division I Sweet 16
The Joey Meyer years:
1984–85 DePaul 19–10 NCAA Division I first round
1985–86 DePaul 18–13 NCAA Division I Sweet 16
1986–87 DePaul 28–3 NCAA Division I Sweet 16
1987–88 DePaul 22–8 NCAA Division I second round
1988–89 DePaul 21–12 NCAA Division I second round
1989–90 DePaul 20–15 NIT Quarterfinals
1990–91 DePaul 20–9 NCAA Division I first round
1991–92 DePaul 20–9 8–2 T–1st NCAA Division I first round
Conference membership really hurt DePaul. They've only made the NCAA tourney three times since joining a conference (The GMC) in 1991-92 and the NIT six times since then.
I didn't start watching college basketball until Dick Bennett got hired at Wisconsin
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 25, 2025, 10:36:03 AMThat's true. Unlike Wojo, however, Shaka had a history indicating that he could do better. Shaka also obviously had a little more going on in the coconut. Another similarity is that Shaka was a bad fit for Texas just like Wojo was a bad fit for MU. I do wonder whether Wojo has any interest in coaching at the college level again. He is getting a few years removed from it and he might prefer an assistant's job in the pros.
Besides, is MU still paying Wojo?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 03:24:58 PMI didn't start watching college basketball until Dick Bennett got hired at Wisconsin
Right. He invented the game, according to some Wiscy fans.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 03:30:57 PMRight. He invented the game, according to some Wiscy fans.
I've heard basketball used to be played by dentists and plumbers in the 70's and early 80's
At the Y.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 05:21:41 PMI've heard basketball used to be played by dentists and plumbers in the 70's and early 80's
They got absolutely clobbered every time they played against drywall guys on stilts.
The dentists at the 1980s YMCA walked so Gilbert Arenas in the Verizon center could run