A lot of talk this morning on Greenberg's show about a BE / ACC merger.
Is this thing becoming serious? The panelist on the show all said it "was a no brainer".
I'm not a fan but I can't ignore the smoke.
ACC only sending 4 of 18 teams and the remainder tanking in the tournament may have something to do with it.
Duke excepted because I expect Duke to play great if Flagg is healthy.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 21, 2025, 12:20:46 PMA lot of talk this morning on Greenberg's show about a BE / ACC merger.
Is this thing becoming serious? The panelist on the show all said it "was a no brainer".
I'm not a fan but I can't ignore the smoke.
I'm good with it if the ACC can become a college version of the G League for the Big East.
If in merger they mean some schools leave the ACC for the Big East, I'll take that.
Surprised this thread didn't get more traction. I don't know if I like this or not. On one hand we've been there before with the old big east but on the other hand things keep shifting and we don't want to be left behind. Adding teams like Duke, UNC, Louisville and even teams that have been down like Cuse could make for a conference that could compete with the SEC and Big Ten from a monetary standpoint it might work. At the same time I don't want us and the other bball schools left in the lurch. But perhaps this also helps keep UConn for the long haul if football for them is an issue (from a conference standpoint).
Just been a lot more discussion on this one started by Coach K and then discussed by Petino and the Hurley the other day in addition to the already mentioned Greenberg. Seems with more discussion. I find it all interesting to think about.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 21, 2025, 12:25:07 PMACC only sending 4 of 18 teams and the remainder tanking in the tournament may have something to do with it.
Duke excepted because I expect Duke to play great if Flagg is healthy.
Guess a perfect match of two tankers.
I could see it. I would hate it if it happens. I think no matter how you slice it, we end up in a western division with Cal, Stanford, and SMU
I doubt there is a merger between the two. I do expect some sort of scheduling collaboration be it an ACC/BE challenge or some mini tournament(s) or some prioritized non-conference scheduling.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 24, 2025, 08:15:56 AMI doubt there is a merger between the two. I do expect some sort of scheduling collaboration be it an ACC/BE challenge or some mini tournament(s) or some prioritized non-conference scheduling.
My brother-in-law, a Wake Forest grad, already thinks the ACC has become a bit of a joke with west coast teams. Now all we need to do is have the Big East join.
It would be funny to suddenly have Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, Louisville back with the Big East.
Quote from: tower912 on March 24, 2025, 08:19:57 AMIt would be funny to suddenly have Pitt, Syracuse, Boston College, Louisville back with the Big East.
West Virginia and Cincinnati made out a lot better than the other former Big East Schools.
Yes, WVU is clearly a destination job these days. I am sure UC will enjoy the Crown.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 24, 2025, 08:14:19 AMI could see it. I would hate it if it happens. I think no matter how you slice it, we end up in a western division with Cal, Stanford, and SMU
That would be awful. Make it 2 divisions with historically best big east and ACC schools in one and then the rest in the other. Football could be reorganized into one division or a couple smaller divisions.
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 24, 2025, 09:19:33 AMThat would be awful. Make it 2 divisions with historically best big east and ACC schools in one and then the rest in the other. Football could be reorganized into one division or a couple smaller divisions.
They could be called the "Champions Division" and the "Chumps Division". Each year the best team in the Chumps would move up to replace the worst team in the Champions.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 24, 2025, 09:48:59 AMThey could be called the "Champions Division" and the "Chumps Division". Each year the best team in the Chumps would move up to replace the worst team in the Champions.
Perfect! Like soccer promotion/relegation - ha! Chumps division can't go to the tourney
I think a scheduling alliance is far more likely, but for amusement:
ACC/Big East Basketball (Need divisions for sheer size)
East Division
Boston College
UConn
Georgetown
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Providence
Seton Hall
St. John's
Syracuse
Villanova
Atlantic Division
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
Western Division
Butler
California
Creighton
DePaul
Louisville
Marquette
Memphis
SMU
Stanford
Xavier
Play everyone in your division once (eight games), along with four protected rivals that you place twice (twelve games); play another four games from each division, selected based on matchups annually (twenty games). The top-16 teams of the league get invited into the ACC/BE Tournament, held at MSG annually. Football can get Charlotte as a tournament site :)
Split between FOX, ESPN and Peacock due to magnitude of inventory.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 24, 2025, 10:53:49 AMI think a scheduling alliance is far more likely, but for amusement:
ACC/Big East Basketball (Need divisions for sheer size)
East Division
Boston College
UConn
Georgetown
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Providence
Seton Hall
St. John's
Syracuse
Villanova
Atlantic Division
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
Western Division
Butler
California
Creighton
DePaul
Louisville
Marquette
Memphis
SMU
Stanford
Xavier
Play everyone in your division once (eight games), along with four protected rivals that you place twice (twelve games); play another four games from each division, selected based on matchups annually (twenty games). The top-16 teams of the league get invited into the ACC/BE Tournament, held at MSG annually. Football can get Charlotte as a tournament site :)
Split between FOX, ESPN and Peacock due to magnitude of inventory.
Notre dame is west of Louisville but in your east division?
Dream a little dream for me
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 24, 2025, 10:53:49 AMI think a scheduling alliance is far more likely, but for amusement:
ACC/Big East Basketball (Need divisions for sheer size)
East Division
Boston College
UConn
Georgetown
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Providence
Seton Hall
St. John's
Syracuse
Villanova
Atlantic Division
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
Western Division
Butler
California
Creighton
DePaul
Louisville
Marquette
Memphis
SMU
Stanford
Xavier
Play everyone in your division once (eight games), along with four protected rivals that you place twice (twelve games); play another four games from each division, selected based on matchups annually (twenty games). The top-16 teams of the league get invited into the ACC/BE Tournament, held at MSG annually. Football can get Charlotte as a tournament site :)
Split between FOX, ESPN and Peacock due to magnitude of inventory.
Wow look at all those games I won't have interest in. The West is a crappier version of CUSA from the early 00s.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 24, 2025, 10:53:49 AMI think a scheduling alliance is far more likely, but for amusement:
ACC/Big East Basketball (Need divisions for sheer size)
East Division
Boston College
UConn
Georgetown
Notre Dame
Pittsburgh
Providence
Seton Hall
St. John's
Syracuse
Villanova
Atlantic Division
Clemson
Duke
Florida State
Georgia Tech
Miami
North Carolina
North Carolina State
Virginia
Virginia Tech
Wake Forest
Western Division
Butler
California
Creighton
DePaul
Louisville
Marquette
Memphis
SMU
Stanford
Xavier
Play everyone in your division once (eight games), along with four protected rivals that you place twice (twelve games); play another four games from each division, selected based on matchups annually (twenty games). The top-16 teams of the league get invited into the ACC/BE Tournament, held at MSG annually. Football can get Charlotte as a tournament site :)
Split between FOX, ESPN and Peacock due to magnitude of inventory.
0% chance of ever happening but as you said, for amusement... (Sorry DePaul, Butler, and Seton Hall.)
Midwest Division1) Marquette
2) Creighton
3) Notre Dame
4) Louisville
5) Xavier
Northeast Division1) UConn
2) St. John's
3) Georgetown
4) Syracuse
5) Providence
Southeast Division1) North Carolina
2) Duke
3) Virginia
4) Pitt
5) Villanova
Geographically would make more sense to flip Georgetown and Villanova but I wanted to keep Syracuse and Georgetown together.
I think planning for UNC as a member is not prudent. We need to be realistic in these completely hypothetical and fantastical scenarios. :D
Could we change the name to the CBA-College Basketball Association?
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 24, 2025, 11:42:40 AMCould we change the name to the CBA-College Basketball Association?
And get Isiah Thomas as commissioner?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 24, 2025, 11:43:48 AMAnd get Isiah Thomas as commissioner?
Still pissed he destroyed my beloved Rockford Lightning.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 24, 2025, 11:09:45 AMNotre dame is west of Louisville but in your east division?
ND would get political pull to stay with East coast; no way they'd want to go West.
I ran a bunch of options through Chat GPT and found them interesting. All 2 division options. Play your division 1x each and 6 or so cross division games. Again just for the fun of it. Sorry for the longer lost...
Option 1: Geographic East/West Split
East Division (15 Teams)
1. Duke
2. North Carolina
3. Syracuse
4. Virginia
5. Virginia Tech
6. Boston College
7. Miami
8. Wake Forest
9. Pittsburgh
10. Georgetown
11. Villanova
12. Seton Hall
13. Clemson
14. NC State
15. SMU
West Division (14 Teams)
1. Louisville
2. Florida State
3. Marquette
4. UConn
5. Creighton
6. St. John's
7. DePaul
8. Xavier
9. Providence
10. Butler
11. Notre Dame
12. Stanford
13. California
14. Georgia Tech
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Option 2: Competitive Balance Divisions
Division 1: Power Programs (15 Teams)
1. Duke
2. North Carolina
3. Syracuse
4. Virginia
5. Villanova
6. Georgetown
7. SMU
8. Stanford
9. California
10. Louisville
11. Florida State
12. Marquette
13. UConn
14. Notre Dame
15. Creighton
Division 2: Rising Programs (14 Teams)
1. Virginia Tech
2. Boston College
3. Miami
4. Wake Forest
5. Pittsburgh
6. Clemson
7. NC State
8. Seton Hall
9. Xavier
10. DePaul
11. Butler
12. Providence
13. Georgia Tech
14. St. John's
⸻
Option 3: Rivalry-Based Divisions
Division 1: Historic Rivalries (15 Teams)
1. Duke
2. North Carolina
3. Syracuse
4. Virginia
5. Villanova
6. Georgetown
7. Seton Hall
8. Miami
9. Wake Forest
10. Pittsburgh
11. Louisville
12. Florida State
13. Marquette
14. UConn
15. Notre Dame
Division 2: Cross-Regional Rivalries (14 Teams)
1. Virginia Tech
2. Boston College
3. Clemson
4. NC State
5. SMU
6. Stanford
7. California
8. Georgia Tech
9. Creighton
10. St. John's
11. DePaul
12. Xavier
13. Providence
14. Butler
UNC, Virginia, FSU, Clemson and probably multiple others will never merge with the Big East.
Right good point Rico. For fun as it's being discussed by some big names but yeah I imagine there is more that would change first given the FSU and Clemson lawsuits. Most seem to think they need us more than we need them but not sure I buy that.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 24, 2025, 12:57:57 PMUNC, Virginia, FSU, Clemson and probably multiple others will never merge with the Big East.
Correct. You're looking at SEC or B1G schools there.
While we are making stuff up keep the Big East and keep the ACC.
The top half of all teams go to the Big East and the bottom half go to the ACC.
You then have relegations and demotions every year like soccer. Bottom X number of Big East teams go to the ACC and the top X number of ACC teams go to the Big East.
Would screw up all other sports though.
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 24, 2025, 12:54:48 PMI ran a bunch of options through Chat GPT and found them interesting. All 2 division options. Play your division 1x each and 6 or so cross division games. Again just for the fun of it. Sorry for the longer lost...
Option 1: Geographic East/West Split
East Division (15 Teams)
1. Duke
2. North Carolina
3. Syracuse
4. Virginia
5. Virginia Tech
6. Boston College
7. Miami
8. Wake Forest
9. Pittsburgh
10. Georgetown
11. Villanova
12. Seton Hall
13. Clemson
14. NC State
15. SMU
West Division (14 Teams)
1. Louisville
2. Florida State
3. Marquette
4. UConn
5. Creighton
6. St. John's
7. DePaul
8. Xavier
9. Providence
10. Butler
11. Notre Dame
12. Stanford
13. California
14. Georgia Tech
I'm a fan of Chat GPT, but FSU in the West and SMU in the East?
I'm also a fan of nit-picking hypothetical ChatGPT answers in questions asked just for fun. ;)
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 24, 2025, 01:34:43 PMWhile we are making stuff up keep the Big East and keep the ACC.
The top half of all teams go to the Big East and the bottom half go to the ACC.
You then have relegations and demotions every year like soccer. Bottom X number of Big East teams go to the ACC and the top X number of ACC teams go to the Big East.
This year the Big East would be:1) Duke
2) St. John's
3) Clemson
4) Louisville
5) Marquette
6) Connecticut
7) North Carolina
8) Creighton
9) Xavier
10) SMU
11) Villanova
12) Wake Forest
13) Butler
14) Stanford
15) Georgetown
And the ACC would be:16) Georgia Tech
17) Pitt
18) Florida State
19) Providence
20) Notre Dame
21) Virginia
22) DePaul
23) Virginia Tech
24) Syracuse
25) California
26) NC State
27) Boston College
28) Miami
29) Seton Hall
I like it Titan. And as far as other sports they can stay in their original conference. Similar to other sports it can be done like ND in Big Ten for hockey etc. This could
Be don't just for basketball.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 24, 2025, 01:43:20 PMThis year the Big East would be:
1) Duke
2) St. John's
3) Clemson
4) Louisville
5) Marquette
6) Connecticut
7) North Carolina
8) Creighton
9) Xavier
10) SMU
11) Villanova
12) Wake Forest
13) Butler
14) Stanford
15) Georgetown
This would actually be so sick.
I like the idea of something that isn't human making human decisions.
Then we can all sit sound on some pillows smoking weed and wondering why the world is occupied by idiots.
Quote from: Jockey on March 24, 2025, 05:40:18 PMI like the idea of something that isn't human making human decisions.
Then we can all sit sound on some pillows smoking weed and wondering why the world is occupied by idiots.
Hahaha well yeah I mean it was not so much a computer "making human decisions" but rather being efficient using auto logic and saving time typing it all out. 'Merica
Did not see this thread. Any new developments in the last couple days.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 27, 2025, 10:17:56 PMDid not see this thread. Any new developments in the last couple days.
No .....
Any idea what the new conference might be called The Big East ACC or any chance Stanford and Cal return to a conference somewhere west
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 21, 2025, 12:20:46 PMA lot of talk this morning on Greenberg's show about a BE / ACC merger.
Is this thing becoming serious? The panelist on the show all said it "was a no brainer".
I'm not a fan but I can't ignore the smoke.
Feel Seth does not like The Big East
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 27, 2025, 10:17:56 PMDid not see this thread. Any new developments in the last couple days.
It's not happening
I could see something like a scheduling alliance, but I can't see a merger at all. Different television partners and very little upside revenue wise.
Now after these deals expire and the ACC grant of rights goes away? Yes, I could see a scenario if a bunch of schools leave for the other conferences that a merger may make sense. But now? Not really.
Was working out a couple years ago at Lifetime Fitness in Saint Louis and Tyler Hansbrough was at the Lifetime too.
Tyler Hansbrough is saying on the Pat McAfee Show now he would like a Big East ACC Merger.
Pat McAfee said they are saying the Big East will soon have more money than the football Schools for basketball and will return to the #1 basketball conference.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 28, 2025, 11:40:19 AMTyler Hansbrough is saying on the Pat McAfee Show now he would like a Big East ACC Merger
Seems like it's primarily ACC guys discussing/wanting the merger.
Why do we care what Tyler Hansbrough has to say about this?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 28, 2025, 11:41:23 AMSeems like it's primarily ACC guys discussing/wanting the merger.
Pitino and Hurley also seemed for it.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 12:02:17 PMWhy do we care what Tyler Hansbrough has to say about this?
I'm waiting to hear what Ja Rule has to say.
I'm also not sure I'd go to Greenberg or McAfee for news. They just get worked up on their own hot takes.
So could the big east take Duke, Unc, Louisville, and the domers (cause why not) and we give the acc depaul, butler, seton, and providence?
Cause that would actually be a crazy conference.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 24, 2025, 01:34:43 PMWhile we are making stuff up keep the Big East and keep the ACC.
The top half of all teams go to the Big East and the bottom half go to the ACC.
You then have relegations and demotions every year like soccer. Bottom X number of Big East teams go to the ACC and the top X number of ACC teams go to the Big East.
Would screw up all other sports though.
Is there a sport outside of basketball that the big east makes money in?
Quote from: #UnleashSean on March 28, 2025, 01:06:25 PMIs there a sport outside of basketball that the big east makes money in?
Dentistry insurance
This conference already existed, it was called the Big East.
A merger is not going to happen unless schools get rid of football or go independent.
We do not need the ACC, they need us.
Quote from: longer on March 28, 2025, 01:58:10 PMWe do not need the ACC, they need us.
This sounds way too similar to something UDPride said a decade-plus ago.
I'm don't think either conference needs the other at the moment.