20 mins till the brackets!! Should be a great tournament.
Looking forward to that 1-seed!
nm
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2025, 04:54:16 PMLooking forward to that 1-seed!
Feels like just yesterday we were talking about a one or two seed.
Quote from: chren21 on March 16, 2025, 04:59:48 PMFeels like just yesterday we were talking about a one or two seed.
True.
But nothing is over.
Do we start an NIT thread when we decline our invite due to our performance since Jan 3rd being disqualifying?
No. 3 seed Michigan wins three games in three days over Purdue, Maryland and Wisconsin to take home the Big Ten tourney title — its first since 2018.
Huge way for the Wolverine to go into the NCAA Tournament after losing their final three games of the regular-season and missing out on a Big Ten regular season title. That's a three-game winning streak that stacks up as well as just about any in college hoops this season.
Wow. Early fireworks. Mich a #5. L'Ville a #8
UNC getting in is laughable.
Omg UNC in!!!??
I am totally fine with our draw.
YES!!!
Creighton 9 means we're not a 9
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 16, 2025, 05:07:33 PMI am totally fine with our draw.
Couldn't ask for a better draw.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 16, 2025, 05:06:20 PMUNC getting in is laughable.
So obvious that was going to happen. Wish I could have bet on it. Bubba Cunningham did it. Good for him.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 16, 2025, 05:06:36 PMOmg UNC in!!!??
If you gave any other team North Carolina's résumé, there's no way in hell they would've got in.
We didn't earn the right to be picky but I'd rather play any other 2 seed 😭
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 16, 2025, 05:06:20 PMUNC getting in is laughable.
It is
But there was also no scenario where the committee left them out
7 Seed in Cleveland vs New Mexico on Friday
I got the draw for Marquette that I was hoping for.
Iowa State being in Milwaukee gives me hope that Kentucky will be the other protected seed here and Wisconsin can go play somewhere else else.🤞🏻
Cannot ask for a better draw if you have E8 ambitions
Don't know a ton about New Mexico, but certainly can't complain about that draw.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 16, 2025, 05:09:17 PM7 Seed in Cleveland vs New Mexico on Friday
Terrible draw...I wouldn't wish Cleveland on anyone
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 16, 2025, 05:08:50 PMWe didn't earn the right to be picky but I'd rather play any other 2 seed 😭
100%. It was a horrible drive home from Columbus a couple years ago.
The committee continues to not give a $hit about conference tournaments.
Doable draw. Tough, obviously. But nobody in our 8 team corner that we can't beat
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 16, 2025, 05:08:50 PMWe didn't earn the right to be picky but I'd rather play any other 2 seed 😭
Huh? I doubt we win. Hell, we have to beat New Mexico first
But as a team thought to maybe be an 8 seed. We got the absolute best possible 1-2 seed imo
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 16, 2025, 05:08:06 PMSo obvious that was going to happen. Wish I could have bet on it. Bubba Cunningham did it. Good for him.
This is why people should listen to me CR. I stated 7 times we would be a 7 seed. :)
It's funny as hell that our fan base has crap talked Wisconsin the team that beat Michigan state yesterday. If we don't beat them our season end. Kinda poetic
MSU revenge opportunity if we can get past New Mexico
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 16, 2025, 05:09:53 PMTerrible draw...I wouldn't wish Cleveland on anyone
Counterpoint ... can you think of a better place for the team not to be distracted by interesting sights and things to do?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 16, 2025, 05:08:02 PMCouldn't ask for a better draw.
You want Izzo in March? I want nothing to do with his team. He put on a coaching clinic against MU two years ago. I hate the draw. The loss at home vs St.John's cost Marquette seven quad 1 wins and a six seed.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2025, 05:11:13 PMCounterpoint ... can you think of a better place for the team not to be distracted by interesting sights and things to do?
Dayton
Shocking - all the know it alls were certain Marquette was an 8.
I can't believe we are gonna be an 8 seed
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 16, 2025, 05:09:42 PMCannot ask for a better draw if you have E8 ambitions
I assume you are speaking as a MSU fan
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 16, 2025, 05:09:17 PM7 Seed in Cleveland vs New Mexico on Friday
Cleveland! Hell yeah!
I'm stunned by UNC. This appears to be cataclysmically preposterous.
Quote from: bradforster on March 16, 2025, 05:11:22 PMYou want Izzo in March? I want nothing to do with his team. He put on a coaching clinic against MU two years ago. I hate the draw. The loss at home vs St.John's cost Marquette seven quad 1 wins and a six seed.
One game at a time.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2025, 05:09:49 PMDon't know a ton about New Mexico, but certainly can't complain about that draw.
Nelly junior Joseph may grab 25 boards. Donovan dent is the PG we should go all out for in the portal this off season.
Otherwise, it's a bunch of mid major guys. We should win.
Quote from: bradforster on March 16, 2025, 05:11:22 PMYou want Izzo in March? I want nothing to do with his team. He put on a coaching clinic against MU two years ago. I hate the draw. The loss at home vs St.John's cost Marquette seven quad 1 wins and a six seed.
All american point guard with a broken finger, nonwithstanding
GE is sad.
Congrats to Duke for walking into the E8.
Haha no Milwaukee for the badgers.
9
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 16, 2025, 05:15:27 PMHaha no Milwaukee for the badgers.
👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
Wow - they are sending Wisconsin to Denver instead of Milwaukee.
Resale tickets for Cleveland are going to be very reasonable considering the schools heading there.
Quote from: bradforster on March 16, 2025, 05:11:22 PMYou want Izzo in March? I want nothing to do with his team. He put on a coaching clinic against MU two years ago. I hate the draw. The loss at home vs St.John's cost Marquette seven quad 1 wins and a six seed.
MSU has been to the second weekend once in the last four tournaments (we know which one).
Izzo is no bogeyman.
Lots of Montana fans in Denver? Wisky looked pissed. :)
Cheering for the super soakers against UW in the 2nd round
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 16, 2025, 05:18:35 PMCheering for the super soakers against UW in the 2nd round
BYU is good.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 16, 2025, 05:17:59 PMLots of Montana fans in Denver? Wisky looked pissed. :)
Lost an hour ago. Probably not helping.
Quote from: bradforster on March 16, 2025, 05:11:22 PMYou want Izzo in March? I want nothing to do with his team. He put on a coaching clinic against MU two years ago. I hate the draw. The loss at home vs St.John's cost Marquette seven quad 1 wins and a six seed.
Yeah, his coaching clinic included making sure Kolek had a sprained thumb. 🙄
Oregon is playing in Seattle but how good is Liberty?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 16, 2025, 05:19:18 PMBYU is good.
Their frauds muggs. Just wait till shulga cooks em
We own the B18
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 16, 2025, 05:20:52 PMOregon is playing in Seattle but how good is Liberty?
They'll be distracted by the liberalism
Quote from: Dish on March 16, 2025, 05:17:16 PMResale tickets for Cleveland are going to be very reasonable considering the schools heading there.
I bought mine months ago. So, so glad MU is coming.
Xavier got in.
Stunned by the bubble teams.
How is MU a higher seed than Creighton? Did they not play anyone in the non-conference?
Boise St. hosed.
I'm jealous of X's draw
Illinois going to Milwaukee and Wisconsin going to Denver is hilarious.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 16, 2025, 05:19:18 PMBYU is good.
I feel like they might have an advantage playing at the higher altitude.
Louisville gets to play 75 minutes from home as an 8 seed.
Quote from: Dish on March 16, 2025, 05:27:14 PMIllinois going to Milwaukee and Wisconsin going to Denver is hilarious.
That is a beauty.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 16, 2025, 05:28:32 PMLouisville gets to play 75 minutes from home as an 8 seed.
To be fair, I think they are underseeded.
BRUTAL
https://x.com/alec_busse/status/1901399325105693042?t=n2WTr_Rft3ORlnvDmdynmw&s=19
I'm really happy with the collection of teams playing in Milwaukee.
Between Illinois, Kentucky, and Iowa Iowa State. They are going to be large contingents of passionate fans.
Xavier beating Texas would be a bonus.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 16, 2025, 05:28:17 PMI feel like they might have an advantage playing at the higher altitude.
Whisky got the worst 14 though.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 16, 2025, 05:29:42 PMBRUTAL
https://x.com/alec_busse/status/1901399325105693042?t=n2WTr_Rft3ORlnvDmdynmw&s=19
Uh-Oh.
Who was it that said that UNC, Texas, and Xavier could all get in?
If you bought tickets for the Milwaukee games, and were looking to make a tidy profit, congratulations. Illinois/Kentucky/Iowa State will shell out bucks for tickets.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 16, 2025, 05:28:32 PMLouisville gets to play 75 minutes from home as an 8 seed.
Yeah that's garbage.
Quote from: wisblue on March 16, 2025, 05:30:47 PMWho was it that said that UNC, Texas, and Xavier could all get in?
It doesn't matter because none of them should have gotten in.
Drake got a great placement in Wichita, KS.
Mizzou/Drake will be interesting.
St.J with a tough draw.
St. John's has a pretty nice draw.
I'll take our draw over UCONN's! :)
No IU. LOL.
Did they seed this tournament in January? UCONN and Creighton both seeded lower than MU?
HOW DID WVU NOT GET IN!?!
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 16, 2025, 05:36:56 PMDid they seed this tournament in January? UCONN and Creighton both seeded lower than MU?
That was and remained the expectation. At worst, neither was going to be seeded ahead of Marquette.
WVU was in 111/111 on bracket matrix. Wow
You can sharpie in Kansas/Arkansas as a 6pm-7pm tip on Thursday night on CBS.
I could see HP beating Purdue.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 16, 2025, 05:36:56 PMDid they seed this tournament in January? UCONN and Creighton both seeded lower than MU?
Why are you surprised by this?
Resumes are the full season. I don't know if I saw a single bracket with them ahead of us
When do we find out which session MU is in?
Bubba might have had something to do with UNC getting in.
Texas has no business being in the Tournament.
Quote from: jeffreyweee on March 16, 2025, 05:42:27 PMWhen do we find out which session MU is in?
In about an hour, maybe 2
Is there anyone naive enough to think that just because the chairman recuses himself from any discussions involving his school that the other committee members might not give him a favor?
West Virginia beat
Gonzaga on a neutral
Arizona on a neutral
Iowa State Home
AT Kansas
Absolutely insane that UNC got in with a 1-12 Q1 record.
Quote from: forgetful on March 16, 2025, 05:46:32 PMTexas has no business being in the Tournament.
100% Spot-On.
Playing 4 games in 4 days, then having to get back on a plane Tuesday night to fly to Denver, play on Thursday, is less than ideal if you're a Badger fan.
Didn't realize UNC was that bad. Some serious corruption there, that's not a tourney team
When are tip-off times announced?
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 16, 2025, 05:26:41 PMI'm jealous of X's draw
Yes, but will the play-in being in Dayton really give a home court advantage?
Yes, Texas fans don't travel, but the Daytonians (with nothing better to do) in attendance will be vocal against X I would presume.
Quote from: 1SE on March 16, 2025, 05:02:37 PMNo. 3 seed Michigan wins three games in three days over Purdue, Maryland and Wisconsin to take home the Big Ten tourney title — its first since 2018.
Huge way for the Wolverine to go into the NCAA Tournament after losing their final three games of the regular-season and missing out on a Big Ten regular season title. That's a three-game winning streak that stacks up as well as just about any in college hoops this season.
good for MI but imo winning the regular season title is a bigger deal. Long haul compared to 3-day hot streak.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 16, 2025, 05:49:14 PMWest Virginia beat
Gonzaga on a neutral
Arizona on a neutral
Iowa State Home
AT Kansas
Absolutely insane that UNC got in with a 1-12 Q1 record.
I just saw that apparently they are the first team to ever be unanimously in on bracket matrix, and not make the field. All 111 brackets had them in.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 16, 2025, 05:09:53 PMTerrible draw...I wouldn't wish Cleveland on anyone
ain't that bad. I have family there and trust me, there are worse places 😂
Quote from: Viper on March 16, 2025, 05:59:04 PMain't that bad. I have family there and trust me, there are worse places 😂
Milwaukee
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2025, 05:09:49 PMDon't know a ton about New Mexico, but certainly can't complain about that draw.
0-3 vs Dad. Maybe we beat jr
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 16, 2025, 05:58:40 PMI just saw that apparently they are the first team to ever be unanimously in on bracket matrix, and not make the field. All 111 brackets had them in.
😱
Quote from: KolekThrees on March 16, 2025, 05:59:43 PMMilwaukee
Cleveland has a higher number of dentists per capita
In all seriousness Montana is more of a #16 seed than a #14.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 16, 2025, 05:36:56 PMDid they seed this tournament in January? UCONN and Creighton both seeded lower than MU?
no kidding hey. We go 1-3 vs them head-up and finish below them in the BE. Ridiculous.
Quote from: Viper on March 16, 2025, 06:29:10 PMno kidding hey. We go 1-3 vs them head-up and finish below them in the BE. Ridiculous.
People still don't understand how this works.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2025, 06:30:17 PMPeople still don't understand how this works.
nor do we care
Quote from: Viper on March 16, 2025, 06:29:10 PMno kidding hey. We go 1-3 vs them head-up and finish below them in the BE. Ridiculous.
Odd reaction from a Marquette fan. But wait, in reality we know you are a Badger fan. Don't forget Marquette dominated Wisconsin at home - one of our easier victories of the year, actually. And we beat Maryland and Purdue.
Now, go tell me who UCONN and Creighton beat in non-conference?
Quote from: Viper on March 16, 2025, 06:32:00 PMnor do we care
Then why are you commenting on it?
I mean, we beat Maryland, Wisconsin and Purdue, and they are seeded higher than us right?
Quote from: Viper on March 16, 2025, 06:29:10 PMno kidding hey. We go 1-3 vs them head-up and finish below them in the BE. Ridiculous.
And we were told by no uncertain terms Marquette is an 8 seed.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 16, 2025, 06:35:23 PMAnd we were told by no uncertain terms Marquette is an 8 seed.
Who told you that?
Beating four high major teams in the ooc probably strengthened MU'S case.
Plus a close loss to St Thomas last year
Where are the times???
Wisconsin tipping at 11:30 am Mountain time in Denver seems suboptimal for them.
One can hope.
Montana should be extremely motivated.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 16, 2025, 06:32:14 PMOdd reaction from a Marquette fan. But wait, in reality we know you are a Badger fan. Don't forget Marquette dominated Wisconsin at home - one of our easier victories of the year, actually. And we beat Maryland and Purdue.
Now, go tell me who UCONN and Creighton beat in non-conference?
elon, my man. Please show me where I have suggested anything close to being a Badger? I actually have agreed with Rico that Gard...Gard knows ball. Otherwise, please share where I've suggested Badg love. (btw, there is no scooper that enjoyed the MI win today more that moi. I guarantee it)
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2025, 06:34:23 PMThen why are you commenting on it?
I mean, we beat Maryland, Wisconsin and Purdue, and they are seeded higher than us right?
I care about the matchups but really don't care about the computer algorithms, or whatever, that determine them. Maybe I should. Sorry.
Quote from: Dish on March 16, 2025, 05:10:17 PMThe committee continues to not give a $hit about conference tournaments.
They said if Memphis had lost they would have had to redo seedings for last teams in
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 16, 2025, 05:22:31 PMThey'll be distracted by the liberalism
They might not make it out of their hotel rooms.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 16, 2025, 07:47:07 PMRead it on Paint Touches this am.
I don't see anything from Paint Touches that said anything about seeding. If you're talking about brew's projection on Cracked Sidewalks, that's all it was - a projection.
He never said "in no uncertain terms" or anything remotely resembling that.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 16, 2025, 08:02:24 PMThey said if Memphis had lost they would have had to redo seedings for last teams in
It would have changed who was in and out, so definitely an adjustment would have been made.
I think the greater point is that other than a team being in or out, the conference tourneys aren't shifting seeds much, if at all.
Although, it could have been to find a way to squeeze UNC in
Quote from: Viper on March 16, 2025, 07:48:14 PMI care about the matchups but really don't care about the computer algorithms, or whatever, that determine them. Maybe I should. Sorry.
Key Metrics Used:
NET Rankings (NCAA Evaluation Tool).
Quadrant Wins and Losses (more details below).
Results-based metrics (Wins Above Bubble, KPI and Strength of Record): These metrics help evaluate a team's resume. Wins Above Bubble, a new metric for the 2024-25 season, shows how many more, or fewer, wins a team has against its schedule versus what a bubble team would expect to have against the same schedule.
Predictive-based metrics (Torvik, BPI and KenPom rankings): These metrics help evaluate the quality of teams. Torvik was added to the team sheet list for the 2024-25 season.
Xavier in an 11 seed play in game. Congratulations to the X men.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 16, 2025, 05:25:55 PMHow is MU a higher seed than Creighton? Did they not play anyone in the non-conference?
We beat them on our home court, they beat us on their home court, and we have had better metrics than them all season. Better NET, better kenpom, etc.
Quote from: wisblue on March 16, 2025, 05:30:47 PMWho was it that said that UNC, Texas, and Xavier could all get in?
The same person who was convinced that the Weasels would get to play in Milwaukee?
Quote from: Viper on March 16, 2025, 06:29:10 PMno kidding hey. We go 1-3 vs them head-up and finish below them in the BE. Ridiculous.
Sorry you're disappointed.
Bryant is a pretty good 15 seed.
So the Big East gets 3 bids in a season where it has 3 pretty elite teams and 5 bids in this season...
Quote from: DoctorV on March 16, 2025, 08:59:20 PMSo the Big East gets 3 bids in a season where it has 3 pretty elite teams and 5 bids in this season...
Mo' money. Good luck to all Big East teams until they face MU again.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2025, 08:09:56 PMI don't see anything from Paint Touches that said anything about seeding. If you're talking about brew's projection on Cracked Sidewalks, that's all it was - a projection.
He never said "in no uncertain terms" or anything remotely resembling that.
Yep. Crack Sidewalks, my bad
That result not only knocked Marquette out of the Big East Tournament, but coupled with Louisville's win over Clemson pushed them down to an 8-seed.
Seemed pretty certain.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2025, 06:30:17 PMPeople still don't understand how this works.
Consider the audience.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 16, 2025, 08:51:42 PMBryant is a pretty good 15 seed.
Now that's a 15 I will be rooting for!
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2025, 08:48:44 PMThe same person who was convinced that the Weasels would get to play in Milwaukee?
Yep.
It wasn't just me who was surprised about the Badgers placement. I don't think I saw one bracket today that didn't have them playing here.
Speaking of the Badgers, their fans are not happy.
Wisconsin snubbed from playing in Milwaukee in March Madness 2025 and fans don't like it
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2025/03/16/wisconsin-basketball-fans-upset-over-badgers-march-madness-placement/82478340007/
Pretty cool Viper made the local newspaper
Quote from: wisblue on March 16, 2025, 09:48:11 PMSpeaking of the Badgers, their fans are not happy.
Wisconsin snubbed from playing in Milwaukee in March Madness 2025 and fans don't like it
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2025/03/16/wisconsin-basketball-fans-upset-over-badgers-march-madness-placement/82478340007/
All last week, one of the sportstalk radio stations in Madison was giving away NCAA tickets for Milwaukee. Everyone was probably expecting the Badgers to be there.
Hilarious to see the Badgers sent to Denver instead.
Quote from: wisblue on March 16, 2025, 09:48:11 PMSpeaking of the Badgers, their fans are not happy.
Wisconsin snubbed from playing in Milwaukee in March Madness 2025 and fans don't like it
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2025/03/16/wisconsin-basketball-fans-upset-over-badgers-march-madness-placement/82478340007/
Great!
Quote from: wisblue on March 16, 2025, 09:48:11 PMSpeaking of the Badgers, their fans are not happy.
Wisconsin snubbed from playing in Milwaukee in March Madness 2025 and fans don't like it
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2025/03/16/wisconsin-basketball-fans-upset-over-badgers-march-madness-placement/82478340007/
Not really snubbed IMO
Quote from: wisblue on March 16, 2025, 09:48:11 PMSpeaking of the Badgers, their fans are not happy.
Wisconsin snubbed from playing in Milwaukee in March Madness 2025 and fans don't like it
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2025/03/16/wisconsin-basketball-fans-upset-over-badgers-march-madness-placement/82478340007/
That's a good illustration of their entitlement that I've alluded to in the past about this. For those attending the games, it'll be 10x better without them. They eat up all the tickets and completely sit on their hands silently the other 3 games creating the worst atmosphere possible. Milwaukee got a great draw. Unfortunately, MU fans are put in a bad spot as they may need to miss 2 out of the 3 sessions (if good fortune has us playing on Sunday) due to conflicts with the MU games. I understand hosting brings a lot of benefits to the city, but it sure as hell didn't benefit the fans and is a disadvantage to the team as well with the closest spot being unavailable. Not complaining about MU's draw though.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 16, 2025, 11:46:38 PMThat's a good illustration of their entitlement that I've alluded to in the past about this. For those attending the games, it'll be 10x better without them. They eat up all the tickets and completely sit on their hands silently the other 3 games creating the worst atmosphere possible. Milwaukee got a great draw. Unfortunately, MU fans are put in a bad spot as they may need to miss 2 out of the 3 sessions (if good fortune has us playing on Sunday) due to conflicts with the MU games. I understand hosting brings a lot of benefits to the city, but it sure as hell didn't benefit the fans and is a disadvantage to the team as well with the closest spot being unavailable. Not complaining about MU's draw though.
I don't disagree it will be better but they really do have a point. If Wisconsin/Iowa state and Kentucky all go into their conference tournaments on level field. Iowa state beats a bad Cincinatti team loses to BYU. Kentucky beats an average at best Oklahoma team then blasted by Alabama by 30. Wisconsin beats a bad Northwestern, average UCLA and then great MSU team, loses close game to Michigan and then take last out of the 3 teams I spoke about. Michigan 11 quad 1 wins. Beat Purdue, Wisconsin and Maryland and actually go down seed lines compared to prior to the tournament?
All this screams is that the bracket is already selected before conference tournaments start.
There seem to be issues every year after the bracket comes out but the love affair with the SEC is ridiculous this year. I get the conference was great, some say the best in the history of college ball. But if you are 6-12 in conference you should not be in the dance. I'm sorry you are just bad at that point.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 16, 2025, 11:46:38 PMThat's a good illustration of their entitlement that I've alluded to in the past about this. For those attending the games, it'll be 10x better without them. They eat up all the tickets and completely sit on their hands silently the other 3 games creating the worst atmosphere possible. Milwaukee got a great draw. Unfortunately, MU fans are put in a bad spot as they may need to miss 2 out of the 3 sessions (if good fortune has us playing on Sunday) due to conflicts with the MU games. I understand hosting brings a lot of benefits to the city, but it sure as hell didn't benefit the fans and is a disadvantage to the team as well with the closest spot being unavailable. Not complaining about MU's draw though.
I am 10x more enthusiastic about attending the games for the reasons you give, plus the fact that the atmosphere for the games they're in is not what you want for an NCAA game. It's fun having a game with large contingents of fans for both teams and 3 of the 4 protected seeds will have that, and if UNC or Xavier get here there will be more.
I wish MU were at a Thursday site but it doesn't bother me if I can't see their game on TV. It's easy enough to follow the scores and maybe watch some on TV's in the concourses or the phone. NCAA games are even more drawn out than normal games because of longer timeouts and halftimes.
There might not be a conflict even if MU plays Sunday because the Cleveland or Milwaukee games might be the ones they choose for the 2 early slots.
Also, MU getting to Cleveland is much better for MU fans who want to travel to attend the games than several of the other sites. It even crossed my mind at one point to try to go to the Friday game, but I'll stick with going to the games here.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 17, 2025, 05:38:36 AMI don't disagree it will be better but they really do have a point. If Wisconsin/Iowa state and Kentucky all go into their conference tournaments on level field. Iowa state beats a bad Cincinatti team loses to BYU. Kentucky beats an average at best Oklahoma team then blasted by Alabama by 30. Wisconsin beats a bad Northwestern, average UCLA and then great MSU team, loses close game to Michigan and then take last out of the 3 teams I spoke about. Michigan 11 quad 1 wins. Beat Purdue, Wisconsin and Maryland and actually go down seed lines compared to prior to the tournament?
All this screams is that the bracket is already selected before conference tournaments start.
There seem to be issues every year after the bracket comes out but the love affair with the SEC is ridiculous this year. I get the conference was great, some say the best in the history of college ball. But if you are 6-12 in conference you should not be in the dance. I'm sorry you are just bad at that point.
Kentucky, Iowa State, and Wisconsin were not even going into the conference tournaments.
And the Big 10 tournament final isn't going to affect the seeding because it is played so late unless a team that isn't going to get an at large bid gets the auto bid.
Neither Wisconsin nor Michigan has a beef about their placement. They earned what they got in the 30 plus games before the conference tournaments, including all the games they lost in the two weeks before them.
Badger fans who feel snubbed don't know how the process works and that the teams that are higher on the seed list get priority. The Committee placed Iowa State and Kentucky ahead of Wisconsin so they got the preferred location.
Quote from: wisblue on March 17, 2025, 05:58:40 AMKentucky, Iowa State, and Wisconsin were not even going into the conference tournaments.
And the Big 10 tournament final isn't going to affect the seeding because it is played so late unless a team that isn't going get an at large bid gets the auto bid.
Neither Wisconsin nor Michigan has a beef about their placement. They earned what they got in the 30 plus games before the conference tournaments, including all the games they lost in the two weeks before them.
Badger fans who feel snubbed don't know how the process works and that the teams that are higher on the seed list get priority. The Committee placed Iowa State and Kentucky ahead of Wisconsin so they got the preferred location.
I'm not really sure how you can disagree when their finalized Net says exactly what I said. Regardless, Big 10 aside, alot of questionable snubs. In fact, this year seems to have alot of normal logic thrown out the window.
If you cannot play .500 in conference it should be an automatic DQ unless you win your conference tournament.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 17, 2025, 06:20:30 AMI'm not really sure how you can disagree when their finalized Net says exactly what I said. Regardless, Big 10 aside, alot of questionable snubs. In fact, this year seems to have alot of normal logic thrown out the window.
If you cannot play .500 in conference it should be an automatic DQ unless you win your conference tournament.
I'm not following your comment about the teams being even going into the conference tournaments.
It is not a secret that the NCAA Selection Committee develops its preliminary seed list before Thursday and there is no such thing as a tie there. The question then is whether games in the conference tournaments would affect the seed list when they do their final scrubbing.
Every year it is shown that results in the conference tournaments do not have as much impact as many fans and some analysts think.
It's possible that UW moved up a spot or two from the preliminary seed list as a result of beating MSU. Most Bracketologists had UW as a 4 seed before the weekend so maybe they moved from 13 or 14 to their final spot of 12.
The Committee placed Iowa State, Kentucky, and Wisconsin at 10,11, and 12 on their final seed list. It's hard to argue that that is unreasonable. If it weren't for the fact that there are games in Milwaukee nobody would be thinking anything about it because the teams are all 3 seeds.
In the final NET, ISU is at 9, UK is 14, and UW is 15.
The snubs relating to the last teams in the field are a completely different issue, and there are good arguments that UNC, Texas, and Xavier shouldn't have gotten into the Dayton games.
Quote from: wisblue on March 16, 2025, 09:48:11 PMSpeaking of the Badgers, their fans are not happy.
Wisconsin snubbed from playing in Milwaukee in March Madness 2025 and fans don't like it
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2025/03/16/wisconsin-basketball-fans-upset-over-badgers-march-madness-placement/82478340007/
Again, people should read up on how this works. They don't care about what makes sense for Milwaukee.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 17, 2025, 06:20:30 AMIf you cannot play .500 in conference it should be an automatic DQ unless you win your conference tournament.
So teams from tough conferences should be penalized?
Conference record should never enter the picture. It's completely irrelevant.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 17, 2025, 05:38:36 AMAll this screams is that the bracket is already selected before conference tournaments start.
It's been obvious for awhile that the committee doesn't pay much attention to the conference tournaments. When they end their championship game twenty minutes before the brackets are revealed, I don't know how you can expect them to make a bunch of wholesale changes based on the results of that game.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2025, 05:17:53 PMMSU has been to the second weekend once in the last four tournaments (we know which one).
Izzo is no bogeyman.
He must pay with too high of a handicap if hes a man who never gets a bogey
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 16, 2025, 09:13:48 PMYep. Crack Sidewalks, my bad
That result not only knocked Marquette out of the Big East Tournament, but coupled with Louisville's win over Clemson pushed them down to an 8-seed.
Seemed pretty certain.
Pushed them down to an 8 seed....in Cracked Sidewalks' projection. It sounds certain because it is a fact. Those results did push MU down in one projection, but its still just a projection
Quote from: The Sultan on March 17, 2025, 07:57:19 AMIt's been obvious for awhile that the committee doesn't pay much attention to the conference tournaments. When they end their championship game twenty minutes before the brackets are revealed, I don't know how you can expect them to make a bunch of wholesale changes based on the results of that game.
This, the committee has said several times over the years that the conference tournaments have minimal impact on seeding.
Xavier is playing in Dayton. That will be noisy, and maybe not in a good way. Short drive for Xavier fans, but Dayton fans loathe Xavier. In the worst little brother way.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 17, 2025, 07:57:19 AMIt's been obvious for awhile that the committee doesn't pay much attention to the conference tournaments. When they end their championship game twenty minutes before the brackets are revealed, I don't know how you can expect them to make a bunch of wholesale changes based on the results of that game.
Yes people don't pay much attention, the committee members in the reveal explained the bracket was mostly set by Saturday, with a major contingency bracket as backup in case Memphis lost. They said if that happened one or two of the last 4 in would have changed.
Nobody should feel bad for West Virginia, Indiana or any of the other supposed snubees. If any of them had simply won one more game, they'd have gotten in. I mean, maybe if Indiana hadn't lost at Iowa by 25 points and at home to Illinois by 25 points within a 72-hour span, and hadn't played so poorly for weeks and weeks that their coach had to resign under fire, they'd have been looked on more kindly by the committee.
Same goes for those supposedly underseeded or sent to a regional far away. The Weasels don't like going to Denver instead of Milwaukee? Well, maybe don't cap your regular season by losing at home to Penn State.
Wofford center Kyler Filewich was shooting under 30% from the FT line so he finally decided to go Rick Barry style - helped by Barry, who flew to Spartanburg to personally coach Filewich for 2 days.
It hasn't been a miracle cure - Filewich is only shooting 35% since making the change. But he has had games of 6-for-10, 4-for-6 and 3-for-7. I admire him for at least trying something different.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GmNiL2OXoAI6vOQ?format=png&name=small)
https://x.com/ryanhammer09/status/1901649352885411987?t=7F46uBWJOrSy8qPfOEfQOQ&s=19
Let's be on the right side of one of these "surprise" runs! Come on!
Quote from: tower912 on March 17, 2025, 09:14:37 AMXavier is playing in Dayton. That will be noisy, and maybe not in a good way. Short drive for Xavier fans, but Dayton fans loathe Xavier. In the worst little brother way.
Isn't that like saying if Madison played in Milwaukee, MU fans would be noisy against Bucky? Xavier fans will buy the tickets!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 17, 2025, 12:17:03 PMhttps://x.com/ryanhammer09/status/1901649352885411987?t=7F46uBWJOrSy8qPfOEfQOQ&s=19
Let's be on the right side of one of these "surprise" runs! Come on!
Does Iowa State have the asterisk because of the injured player?
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 17, 2025, 02:53:30 PMDoes Iowa State have the asterisk because of the injured player?
Good question
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 17, 2025, 02:53:30 PMDoes Iowa State have the asterisk because of the injured player?
Yes. Background:
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 17, 2025, 06:20:30 AMI'm not really sure how you can disagree when their finalized Net says exactly what I said. Regardless, Big 10 aside, alot of questionable snubs. In fact, this year seems to have alot of normal logic thrown out the window.
If you cannot play .500 in conference it should be an automatic DQ unless you win your conference tournament.
I will explain why the arbitrary cutoff for .500 conference records makes no sense, using Oklahoma as an example.
Oklahoma beat 4 seed Arizona, 5 seed Michigan, and 8 seed Louisville in non-conference play. Let's change these three wins to losses, but give Oklahoma wins against 3 seed Kentucky, 6 seed Mississippi, and LSU (not in tournament).
I kept Oklahoma's overall record exactly the same, but instead of being 6-12 in the SEC, they're 9-9. So they meet this hypothetical criteria of being .500 in conference play. But their overall profile is now worse! Oklahoma would have one fewer win against the field, yet some people think this would be somehow better than their actual resumé.
That is why the whole body of work has to be analyzed without creating arbitrary criteria.
The pompous, look-at-me fools speak out.
On Monday, West Virginia Gov. Patrick Morrisey said that the state's attorney general will launch an investigation into the NCAA Tournament selection process after the West Virginia Mountaineers were left out of the 68-team men's bracket unveiled Sunday.
This will follow the inquiry into why it rains so often on weekends.
Quote from: Jockey on March 17, 2025, 04:54:45 PMThe pompous, look-at-me fools speak out.
On Monday, West Virginia Gov. Patrick Morrisey said that the state's attorney general will launch an investigation into the NCAA Tournament selection process after the West Virginia Mountaineers were left out of the 68-team men's bracket unveiled Sunday.
This will follow the inquiry into why it rains so often on weekends.
While I imagine you dislike Morrisey for one obvious reason regardless of what his argument or stance is...there is a lot that is pretty bogus about Bubba Cunningham and his role in all of this and UNC's dubious credentials
https://x.com/cmanderson247/status/1901496105268842757?s=46 (https://x.com/cmanderson247/status/1901496105268842757?s=46)
In this polarizing contrarian era of social media, I haven't seen a SINGLE person of note defending UNC's inclusion, or offering decent justification, that isn't directly aligned to UNC athletics. FSU made this sort of legal and prolonged stink about the playoff 2 years ago, but I saw plenty of arguments on both sides that were reasonable. This is remarkably one sided. And while Boise and IU both deserve it more than UNC, it's also been pretty overwhelming across the board that WVU is the most justifiably aggrieved.
Actually, I never heard of this Morrisey dude until today. I was simply pointing out how people will make fools out of themselves to garner attention.
Nice try at reading my intentions though.
Quote from: Jockey on March 17, 2025, 06:36:40 PMActually, I never heard of this Morrisey dude until today. I was simply pointing out how people will make fools out of themselves to garner attention.
Huh.
I assume someone has the stats on this but do the 6 seeds that wait for a play-in have an even greater statistical advantage than the average 6/11 game?
Quote from: JWags85 on March 17, 2025, 05:40:46 PMWhile I imagine you dislike Morrisey for one obvious reason regardless of what his argument or stance is...there is a lot that is pretty bogus about Bubba Cunningham and his role in all of this and UNC's dubious credentials
https://x.com/cmanderson247/status/1901496105268842757?s=46 (https://x.com/cmanderson247/status/1901496105268842757?s=46)
In this polarizing contrarian era of social media, I haven't seen a SINGLE person of note defending UNC's inclusion, or offering decent justification, that isn't directly aligned to UNC athletics. FSU made this sort of legal and prolonged stink about the playoff 2 years ago, but I saw plenty of arguments on both sides that were reasonable. This is remarkably one sided. And while Boise and IU both deserve it more than UNC, it's also been pretty overwhelming across the board that WVU is the most justifiably aggrieved.
I tend to believe less it was the UNC athletic director and more about the $O$
High Point over Purdue seems to be a trendy pick.
Has anyone watched Lipscomb? Troy, UNCW, Bryant, and Wofford are capable teams.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 17, 2025, 08:16:58 PMHigh Point over Purdue seems to be a trendy pick.
Has anyone watched Lipscomb? Troy, UNCW, Bryant, and Wofford are capable teams.
Lipscomb's star is from Sheboygan, same HS as Dekker. They had a good season, but got absolutely whacked by both Arkansas and Kentucky. And lost to a mediocre WKU team.
Bryant is a fun team, score a ton of points. Could give MSU a run for sure.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 17, 2025, 08:16:58 PMHigh Point over Purdue seems to be a trendy pick.
Has anyone watched Lipscomb? Troy, UNCW, Bryant, and Wofford are capable teams.
High Point beat Radford, twice! So there's that. Don't sleep on UC San Diego vs Michigan. And I have a feeling (maybe I'm hoping) Montana makes it interesting vs RED.
Quote from: Viper on March 17, 2025, 08:26:28 PMHigh Point beat Radford, twice! So there's that. Don't sleep on UC San Diego vs Michigan. And I have a feeling (maybe I'm hoping) Montana makes it interesting vs RED.
I don't think they'll have any problem against Montana. BYU? That might be another story.
Quote from: Viper on March 17, 2025, 08:26:28 PMHigh Point beat Radford, twice! So there's that. Don't sleep on UC San Diego vs Michigan. And I have a feeling (maybe I'm hoping) Montana makes it interesting vs RED.
Montana stinks. I didn't mention UCSD because the spread is pretty tight.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 17, 2025, 08:05:23 PMI tend to believe less it was the UNC athletic director and more about the $O$
Bubba gets a significant bonus with UNC in the tournament. And his "Devries is hurt" for West Virginia, which had to do with their decision, is utter nonsense. The guy hasn't played since 12/8.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 17, 2025, 08:29:17 PMI don't think they'll have any problem against Montana. BYU? That might be another story.
i'd take BYU over Wi, definitely. Played well in the Big12, more acclimated to playing at altitude than UW too
I can't imagine Buzz is thrilled about playing Yale.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 17, 2025, 10:42:15 PMI can't imagine Buzz is thrilled about playing Yale.
He's readying the "they play in the ivy league and we just got poison ivy as kids" quote.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 17, 2025, 10:48:38 PMHe's readying the "they play in the ivy league and we just got poison ivy as kids" quote.
Lol.
Buzz is such an a-hole. Hope Yale wins even though it's probably not going to happen.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 17, 2025, 10:42:15 PMI can't imagine Buzz is thrilled about playing Yale.
This Yale team could have been even better. Yale lost their big man, Danny Wolf, to Michigan and a top scorer who couldn't use his 5 year per Ivy rules.
Quote from: Jockey on March 17, 2025, 04:54:45 PMThe pompous, look-at-me fools speak out.
On Monday, West Virginia Gov. Patrick Morrisey said that the state's attorney general will launch an investigation into the NCAA Tournament selection process after the West Virginia Mountaineers were left out of the 68-team men's bracket unveiled Sunday.
This will follow the inquiry into why it rains so often on weekends.
Well, he is the sun and air and certainly has no shyness that is criminally vulgar.
(son, heir 😆)
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on March 18, 2025, 08:30:21 AMWell, he is the sun and air and certainly has no shyness that is criminally vulgar.
(son, heir 😆)
He goes about things the wrong way, but he's human. He needs to be loved.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 18, 2025, 08:33:24 AMHe goes about things the wrong way, but he's human. He needs to be loved.
That too, but he takes his underdog stuff to extremes and acts like he is a martyr.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 18, 2025, 04:00:06 AMBuzz is such an a-hole. Hope Yale wins even though it's probably not going to happen.
You think too highly of the phony downhome lonesome cowboy.
To joyless willie, Marquette hasn't had an acceptable coach since Al. And if Scoop existed in 1977, he'd have posted this in early February: "Can't wait till Al McLoser is gone! Under Dean Smith, UNC has left Marquette in the dust."
The Athletic says there has been a lot more discussion about expanding the NCAAT, and it will, of course, come down to money.
Here is a short Big East-related passage:
"In the Big East, we're fine if it stays the same and we're fine if it expands at the level that we've heard is possible, which would be four to eight teams," Big East commissioner Val Ackerman said. "But at the same time, we love the tournament the way it is, too. It's not broken."
And for coaches, whose job security often depends on making the tournament? Well, they've generally been supportive of expansion for years.
"Make it as big as they can make it," Butler coach Thad Matta said.
Quote from: MU82 on March 18, 2025, 10:53:44 AMTo joyless willie, Marquette hasn't had an acceptable coach since Al. And if Scoop existed in 1977, he'd have posted this in early February: "Can't wait till Al McLoser is gone! Under Dean Smith, UNC has left Marquette in the dust."
If Scoop existed Al would have been fired long before 1977. Too many verbal and physical altercations with his players would have done him in. Dean Smith instituted the 4 corners offense which made it very difficult for opposing team especially if they were behind. It essentially was playing keep away with the ball and since there was no shot clock they could play offense until they scored or they were fouled. The crazy thing is he switched to his 4 corners offense when we were up eight points which cost him the championship game. If he were MU's coach Scoop would have called for his head.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 18, 2025, 11:48:19 AMThe crazy thing is he switched to his 4 corners offense when we were up eight points which cost him the championship game. If he were MU's coach Scoop would have called for his head.
That is not accurate.
Smith went to the four corners after his team had rallied back to tie the game. His goal was to force MU to come out and play man to man defense.
If that move cost his team the game it was because he ground the game to a halt at a time when it had all the momentum.
My hot take is that I saw Dean Smith used the four corners to kill his own team's momentum more often than it helped.
My GF is a Bryant Alum, hoping for them to pull of an upset over MSU and we hold strong against the Lobos for the ultimate house divided matchup.
Looking over some ShotQuality data, and interesting to see their last 30 day numbers. The regression monster is coming for Colorado State, St. John's, North Carolina, and especially Michigan State.
Quote from: Dish on March 18, 2025, 12:30:02 PMLooking over some ShotQuality data, and interesting to see their last 30 day numbers. The regression monster is coming for Colorado State, St. John's, North Carolina, and especially Michigan State.
Care to elaborate?
Quote from: Dish on March 18, 2025, 12:30:02 PMLooking over some ShotQuality data, and interesting to see their last 30 day numbers. The regression monster is coming for Colorado State, St. John's, North Carolina, and especially Michigan State.
Interesting. I always feels shot quality never feels like it matters against marquette (see, Conwell of X). But would love to see a regression from MSU against us (or even against Bryant...)
Quote from: The Sultan on March 18, 2025, 12:04:09 PMMy hot take is that I saw Dean Smith used the four corners to kill his own team's momentum more often than it helped.
Billy Packer is rolling over in his grave.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 18, 2025, 12:48:51 PMInteresting. I always feels shot quality never feels like it matters against marquette (see, Conwell of X). But would love to see a regression from MSU against us (or even against Bryant...)
Marquette won the shot quality battle for many of our losses: @CU, @SJU and home vs UConn and St Johns (just to name some) and didn't win a single game. I do not put much stock into shot quality - all that tells me is MU is getting open shots and isn't converting them at a high percentage. Which is easy to see and I do need shot quality to tell me that.
http://x.com/ShotQualityBets/status/1888437927409246683
https://x.com/ShotQualityBets/status/1898769380990984526
I loathed the 4 corners more than just about any other sports hack. More than exaggerated shifts in baseball. More than running out 5 relievers in 5 innings. More than the brotherly shove. More than the QB protecting joke rules in the NFL. More than the non-stop 3s and Euro-steps in the NBA.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 18, 2025, 01:57:11 PMMarquette won the shot quality battle for many of our losses: @CU, @SJU and home vs UConn and St Johns (just to name some) and didn't win a single game. I do not put much stock into shot quality - all that tells me is MU is getting open shots and isn't converting them at a high percentage. Which is easy to see and I do need shot quality to tell me that.
http://x.com/ShotQualityBets/status/1888437927409246683
https://x.com/ShotQualityBets/status/1898769380990984526
Marquette always gets good looks. Their problem is making them. Tuff
Quote from: MUbiz on March 18, 2025, 01:57:11 PMMarquette won the shot quality battle for many of our losses: @CU, @SJU and home vs UConn and St Johns (just to name some) and didn't win a single game. I do not put much stock into shot quality - all that tells me is MU is getting open shots and isn't converting them at a high percentage. Which is easy to see and I do need shot quality to tell me that.
Correct. Which I have said the problem this year isn't a offensive system issue. It's a players not executing issue.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2025, 02:03:40 PMI loathed the 4 corners more than just about any other sports hack. More than exaggerated shifts in baseball. More than running out 5 relievers in 5 innings. More than the brotherly shove. More than the QB protecting joke rules in the NFL. More than the non-stop 3s and Euro-steps in the NBA.
and yet the WIAA refuses to enter a shotclock. Guess what state four corners is still active in? Absolute nonsense.
Michigan does not have a shotclock in high school, either.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on March 18, 2025, 02:09:00 PMand yet the WIAA refuses to enter a shotclock. Guess what state four corners is still active in? Absolute nonsense.
Back when I was coaching middle school travel ball, we had an opponent protect a five point lead by going into a four corners with about 8 minutes left in the game. I mean come on...
I coached with a guy who made a version up on the fly with our 5th grade team. We won the game, but he and I did not coach together after that season.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 18, 2025, 02:10:25 PMBack when I was coaching middle school travel ball, we had an opponent protect a five point lead by going into a four corners with about 8 minutes left in the game. I mean come on...
Still happens. I run an entire 4th-8th grade feeder program for a highschool in southeast Wisconsin. We would have games in the WYBL. Coaches who ran zones did their kids no favors when they got older. They were the same ones to deploy a 4 corner strategy in 5th grade.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 18, 2025, 02:10:25 PMBack when I was coaching middle school travel ball, we had an opponent protect a five point lead by going into a four corners with about 8 minutes left in the game. I mean come on...
I hate that, but I admit it's kinda ballsy. I have coached at that level for 9 years, and I'm not sure I've seen a team (either mine or an opponent) I would trust to control the basketball that long without coughing it up many times.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2025, 02:12:04 PMI coached with a guy who made a version up on the fly with our 5th grade team. We won the game, but he and I did not coach together after that season.
Jeesh! It's hard enough to get 7th-graders to be patient on offense for even 20 seconds, let alone 5th-graders for an extended stretch.
The HS team I assistant-coached had several good ballhandlers and we could do a dribble-weave to play keep-away for a minute or maybe two. But our coach (who is excellent) never ran it for longer than that.
Quote from: MU82 on March 18, 2025, 02:32:46 PMI hate that, but I admit it's kinda ballsy. I have coached at that level for 9 years, and I'm not sure I've seen a team (either mine or an opponent) I would trust to control the basketball that long without coughing it up many times.
Jeesh! It's hard enough to get 7th-graders to be patient on offense for even 20 seconds, let alone 5th-graders for an extended stretch.
The HS team I assistant-coached had several good ballhandlers and we could do a dribble-weave to play keep-away for a minute or maybe two. But our coach (who is excellent) never ran it for longer than that.
We had a 4-5 point lead with 4 minutes left. Two guys we could trust to catch and dribble the ball. The best stood out top and dribbled. We sent a third guy out to set a screen when their defense extended to far. The ballhandler would use the screen, get space, pass to the second ballhandler, run up, get the hand-off, and circle back.
Actually went well for making it up on the spot. Enraged the opposing coach and parents.
NCAA bracket based upon which school has an Arby's closer to campus (https://x.com/NCAABuzzerBters/status/1901974367531336070). Let's go Zips!
Quote from: StillAWarrior on March 18, 2025, 04:22:48 PMNCAA bracket based upon which school has an Arby's closer to campus (https://x.com/NCAABuzzerBters/status/1901974367531336070). Let's go Zips!
So a Scooper runs that account.
I'd imagine the Selection Committee is going to be rooting pretty hard for the Tar Heels tonight. I hope the Aztecs beat them by 20. All hell may break loose if UNC gets a favorable whistle.
Focus Alabama St.
Pulling for St. Francis. Look like they have a lot of gym rats on the team
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 18, 2025, 07:45:41 PMPulling for St. Francis. Look like they have a lot of gym rats on the team
Both teams have a lot of grit.
Wow! Just wow!
Man the best game of the tournament may have been the first.
This year's tournament off to a dramatic start
That was fun
St. Francis isn't winning the title. Damn. There goes my bracket!
The narrative that if UNC wins this game, they deserve to be in the tournament, is utter and complete nonsense. But hopefully the Aztecs dismiss them.
I also like UNC's ridiculous strength of schedule argument. Look at our schedule! We didn't win any of those games but whatever! It's analogous to a hs student taking all AP classes and failing all of them. #Clownshow.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2025, 08:13:19 PMI also like UNC's ridiculous strength of schedule argument. Look at our schedule! We didn't win any of those games but whatever! It's analogous to a hs student taking all AP classes and failing all of them. #Clownshow.
Remember, this is a business first and foremost.
This SDSU team beat New Mexico two weeks ago
Quote from: BM1090 on March 18, 2025, 08:56:42 PMThis SDSU team beat New Mexico two weeks ago
Embarrassing performance thus far.
I had only watched SDSU like twice this year so did want to rush to judgement, but yeah they blow. Just don't have anything resembling a solid offensive player
Country roads Rocket Mortgage commercial during a UNC barn run is just too fitting
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 18, 2025, 09:01:03 PMI had only watched SDSU like twice this year so did want to rush to judgement, but yeah they blow. Just don't have anything resembling a solid offensive player
I'd have been fine with just 3 MWC teams in this year. That's more than enough.
SDSU is one of the worst at-large teams I have ever seen. Maybe the worst. UNC gives up 75 PPG :o
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 18, 2025, 09:33:52 PMSDSU is one of the worst at-large teams I have ever seen. Maybe the worst. UNC gives up 75 PPG :o
I've seen abysmal performances but this one is historically bad.
They should have asked St. Francis if they wanted to play a doubleheader.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2025, 08:13:19 PMI also like UNC's ridiculous strength of schedule argument. Look at our schedule! We didn't win any of those games but whatever! It's analogous to a hs student taking all AP classes and failing all of them. #Clownshow.
Need to limit coffee intake
Be hilarious to see unc make some crazy run again
Quote from: Johnny B on March 18, 2025, 10:08:59 PMBe hilarious to see unc make some crazy run again
They have a good draw with Iowa St. being hobbled. Of course Ole Miss could punk them.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 18, 2025, 08:07:32 PMThe narrative that if UNC wins this game, they deserve to be in the tournament, is utter and complete nonsense. But hopefully the Aztecs dismiss them.
"They're proving that they belong".
I want to hurl every time I hear that.
How about proving you belong in the four months before the tournament?
Great to see UNC win to shut up everyone who said they didn't belong
It's never too late to get your first legitimate win
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 18, 2025, 07:49:21 PMThis year's tournament off to a dramatic start
That play reminded me so much of how Washington beat the Bears. Long throw, ball goes through hands and arms of leaping players for both teams, batted around, winds up in the hands of an open "receiver" for the winning score.
The main difference is that a St. Francis defensive player wasn't taunting the crowd while the play was going on.
Quote from: MU82 on March 19, 2025, 11:06:53 AMThat play reminded me so much of how Washington beat the Bears. Long throw, ball goes through hands and arms of leaping players for both teams, batted around, winds up in the hands of an open "receiver" for the winning score.
The main difference is that a St. Francis defensive player wasn't taunting the crowd while the play was going on.
Thanks for ruining my March. >:(
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 19, 2025, 11:37:51 AMThanks for ruining my March. >:(
Sorry, didn't mean to make it unbearable. I'll say a few Hail Marys as penance.
20pt+ win for UNC will help their NET.
Quote from: barfolomew on March 19, 2025, 12:21:31 PM20pt+ win for UNC will help their NET.
And their AD's bonus
Quote from: barfolomew on March 19, 2025, 12:21:31 PM20pt+ win for UNC will help their NET.
Carolina is trending up
Quote from: barfolomew on March 19, 2025, 12:21:31 PM20pt+ win for UNC will help their NET.
Evidence against WV governor's lawsuit
X getting good looks early.
Terrible call on Freemantle.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 19, 2025, 08:24:01 PMTerrible call on Freemantle.
Great call. I hate him
He leaned.
Quote from: tower912 on March 19, 2025, 08:25:18 PMCorrect call.
It was a moving screen. But if you call that, you have to call the clear blocking foul/reach that Texas committed 5 seconds earlier.
I hope that ref works the St. John's game
X doing a poor job of defending strong hand right and in transition.
Wow. Freemantle with a disastrous start.
X needs a time out.
Apparently they read Blue's posts.
X not gonna win with Freemantle in foul trouble(2nd call was very light) if the two back up bigs are gonna miss every bunny they take
Hunter ahd Hughly have 3 misses within 3 feet
McKnight gotta take care of ball too
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 19, 2025, 08:41:41 PMX not gonna win with Freemantle in foul trouble(2nd call was very light) if the two back up bigs are gonna miss every bunny they take
Hunter ahd Hughly have 3 misses within 3 feet
McKnight gotta take care of ball too
Yep. They're playing soft imo.
So many fouls
Big East might not win a game if all games are reffed like this Xavier game. Going from playing football to playing 2nd grade rec soccer.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 19, 2025, 08:45:27 PMSo many fouls
Refs have been really aggressive with their whistle against Xavier.
Quote from: forgetful on March 19, 2025, 08:45:59 PMRefs have been really aggressive with their whistle against Xavier.
X fans are extremely upset.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 19, 2025, 08:45:39 PMBig East might not win a game if all games are reffed like this Xavier game. Going from playing football to playing 2nd grade rec soccer.
This is a good example on why I say that college Refs decide a lot of games.
Not so much because of any egregious bad calls, but because of how inconsistent officiating is from game to game, and even sometimes half to half.
The officiating style has taken Xavier out of its game, and favored Texas' style of game.
Even with the annoying whistle X is doing very little right currently
Really bad D. And every solid momentum offensive play is followed with multiple baffling ones
Need to get on a run
Xavier's loss proves just how bad Marquette is and why the arrow is ⬇️
X looks lost defensively. Could be fear of getting fouls but they're getting shredded.
Quote from: forgetful on March 19, 2025, 08:48:23 PMThis is a good example on why I say that college Refs decide a lot of games.
Not so much because of any egregious bad calls, but because of how inconsistent officiating is from game to game, and even sometimes half to half.
The officiating style has taken Xavier out of its game, and favored Texas' style of game.
Xavier is doing a fine job of taking themselves out of the game without the refs help.
Quote from: tower912 on March 19, 2025, 08:52:27 PMXavier is doing a fine job of taking themselves out of the game without the refs help.
Complete lack of focus and poise.
Like I said. No flow. Got it to 9 with the ball on a 4-0 run. Then chucked 3s and back down 13
Freemantle for some reason is under the impression that due to foul trouble he must sit and shoot 3s on offense.
Wow. 3rd on Conwell on a deflection.
Imagine finally getting out of Big East play and you wind up with Breeding in your first NCAA game.
Quote from: tower912 on March 19, 2025, 08:52:27 PMXavier is doing a fine job of taking themselves out of the game without the refs help.
This is also true.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 19, 2025, 08:55:59 PMLike I said. No flow. Got it to 9 with the ball on a 4-0 run. Then chucked 3s and back down 13
Freemantle for some reason is under the impression that due to foul trouble he must sit and shoot 3s on offense.
Shaka has stated this as a concern for a few years. "Big East games are officiated differently, because they have to."
It is a reason Hurley has expressed confidence in his teams going into March because they play a defense more condusive to that of an NCAA environment with less physicality in the back court.
If they come up short, I expect that to be where St. Johns demise as well, but they have Pitino to alter the calls which helps a ton.
Will be interesting to see how the rest of the Big East plays and is officiated.
Ugly defense from X.
Tough break that Texas hit that at the buzzer
But all things considered the fact X is somehow down 8 only is big if they can get Freemantle and Conwell going
Let's go, Texas!
Right now, Xavier is trending downward but considering they lost to Marquette of all teams in their last game, it's not a surprise
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 19, 2025, 09:02:25 PMShaka has stated this as a concern for a few years. "Big East games are officiated differently, because they have to."
It is a reason Hurley has expressed confidence in his teams going into March because they play a defense more condusive to that of an NCAA environment with less physicality in the back court.
If they come up short, I expect that to be where St. Johns demise as well, but they have Pitino to alter the calls which helps a ton.
Will be interesting to see how the rest of the Big East plays and is officiated.
Pitino isn't "altering the calls."
Quote from: wadesworld on March 19, 2025, 09:24:54 PMPitino isn't "altering the calls."
Pitino's presence will absolutely get them a favorable whistle. That's just human nature. A guy who some view as the best coach ever is on the sidelines of active games. It has impact.
X has the crowd alive
Need to stop missing free throws
X might want to make their FT's.
Texas is shooting 61%.
Hopefully, this ends the ridiculous talk of the Big East having any good teams
Dumb foul by Swain.
Xavier needs to regain composure. They get rattled too easily.
Conwell clearly fouled on that triple. Wow.
Watching Xavier right now, reminds me of when MU gets in trouble.
They get flustered, and go to hero mode, where each player is trying to do it all on their own instead of running the offense.
I've already warned my wife that the lady Gaga song is going to be stuck in my head for the next month.
What a game this is turning out to be
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2025, 09:45:26 PMHopefully, this ends the ridiculous talk of the Big East having any good teams
Have a beer
🍺
Really stupid foul by Freemantle.
Idiotic foul by Freemantle. Low IQ?
How on earth do you grab a dude's jersey there?
Really stupid foul by the Texas player (20) on that breakaway.
Good time-out by Miller. Gotta execute here.
Turned into a great game.......one thing I know for sure from reading scoop.....
Whoever loses......it was the coaches fault!
Awful decisions by X. Focus.
These fouls by X have been brutal.
Not sure what Perry is complaining about.
Guess Texas is going to have to fire another coach
BEast 1-0
SEC 0-1.
Airball at the perfect time!
Ps it was a good run for Rodney Terry.......Shaka clearly will be a Texas target for the job.
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Quote from: MuMark on March 19, 2025, 10:28:56 PMAirball at the perfect time!
Ps it was a good run for Rodney Terry.......Shaka clearly will be a Texas target for the job.
Ironically Jeff Goodman mentioned that Sean Miller could be their target.
During the halftime show, forget which guy it was, but one of them said something about how Texas was probably surprised by how easy the defense was since they weren't playing an SEC team.
Well, look how that turned out.
There is going to be big demand for tickets this weekend.
6 teams with big, passionate fan bases playing on Friday.
That home crowd advantage worked out nicely for X
Quote from: wisblue on March 19, 2025, 10:31:26 PMThere is going to be big demand for tickets this weekend.
6 teams with big, passionate fan bases playing on Friday.
Sell them and add to the MU nil kiddie.
Great stretch run for X.
Pretty similar to our game vs them.
THey closed the game from the 15-under10 ish mark. Then won the close game for the final 8
The best results in the tournament:
MU cutting down the nets
Whisky losing early
The B18 continuing their winless streak.
The SEC teams getting knocked off.
The BEast doing well.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 19, 2025, 10:35:14 PMGreat stretch run for X.
Pretty similar to our game vs them.
THey closed the game from the 15-under10 ish mark. Then won the close game for the final 8
The fact that they overcame their two best players being in foul trouble was impressive.
I like the path Xavier has now, especially playing in Milwaukee. I think they could put on a little run.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 19, 2025, 10:35:14 PMGreat stretch run for X.
Pretty similar to our game vs them.
THey closed the game from the 15-under10 ish mark. Then won the close game for the final 8
My thoughts also- down 13 and came back to win. We were down 14.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 19, 2025, 10:41:06 PMThe fact that they overcame their two best players being in foul trouble was impressive.
Yep. Freemantle managed to avoid his 5th, but boy that jersey grabbing foul was SO stupid! Doesn't matter. Won anyway.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 19, 2025, 10:43:42 PMYep. Freemantle managed to avoid his 5th, but boy that jersey grabbing foul was SO stupid! Doesn't matter. Won anyway.
Ironically the dumbest foul and game losing one was the one committed on freemantle
The Shedrick foul was insanely dumb. Was gonna be a wild turnover and was when X was struggling to score
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 19, 2025, 10:43:42 PMYep. Freemantle managed to avoid his 5th, but boy that jersey grabbing foul was SO stupid! Doesn't matter. Won anyway.
Agree and happy Xavier won. We had family there and at Madison Square. James Breeding Reffed Xavier's Big East Tournament game against Marquette and refereed Xavier's Big Dance game against Texas.
Unequivocal proof that the Big East is better than the SEC.
This read like an MU game thread
Swaim is a pile of dung.
I owe X an apology. Better than NIT. I am even happier MU beat them 2 out of 3 and finished the season with a better overall record, better ooc wins, and a higher seed.
I'll be at the fiserv Friday to watch the Xavier/Illinois game. Could be first to 100 wins. Will be a great game!
Except maybe from Dodds, I've never heard as much advanced excuse making as the local media is providing for the Badgers.
The poor babies had to play 4 games in 4 days and now after only 3 days rest they have to play in high altitude against the mighty Montana Grizzlies, who are used to high altitude.
Sounds like it will take a Herculean effort from their 25 year old star to keep it close. 🙄
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 20, 2025, 06:04:00 AMI'll be at the fiserv Friday to watch the Xavier/Illinois game. Could be first to 100 wins. Will be a great game!
I hope I make it that long. That game probably won't be starting until after 9 PM. I wish the Kentucky game was the last one.
Does the Big East get a TV credit for a play-in win?
Montana was overseeded. They're by far the worst 14 and probably should be a 16. Whisky should be thrilled with their draw. VCU/BYU looks like a toss-up. BYU better get to 70.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 20, 2025, 06:59:53 AMDoes the Big East get a TV credit for a play-in win?
Of course.
Quote from: wisblue on March 20, 2025, 06:13:57 AMExcept maybe from Dodds, I've never heard as much advanced excuse making as the local media is providing for the Badgers.
The poor babies had to play 4 games in 4 days and now after only 3 days rest they have to play in high altitude against the mighty Montana Grizzlies, who are used to high altitude.
Sounds like it will take a Herculean effort from their 25 year old star to keep it close. 🙄
I also think its funny how they are so mad at the NCAA for keeping them out of Milwaukee. My guess is the locals prefer visitors from out of town anyway.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2025, 07:25:42 AMI also think its funny how they are so mad at the NCAA for keeping them out of Milwaukee. My guess is the locals prefer visitors from out of town anyway.
This is gonna be bad for The Mecca bar and grill
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2025, 07:25:42 AMI also think its funny how they are so mad at the NCAA for keeping them out of Milwaukee. My guess is the locals prefer visitors from out of town anyway.
We sure do
Quote from: wisblue on March 20, 2025, 06:13:57 AMExcept maybe from Dodds, I've never heard as much advanced excuse making as the local media is providing for the Badgers.
The poor babies had to play 4 games in 4 days and now after only 3 days rest they have to play in high altitude against the mighty Montana Grizzlies, who are used to high altitude.
Sounds like it will take a Herculean effort from their 25 year old star to keep it close. 🙄
This drives me nuts. They're the ones who decided as a conf to have 47 teams and give half their conf tourny teams 12 byes and draw it out. Now they want the entire NCAAT to accommodate their schedule? It's BS
They created the problem, they can go complain to their own leadership about that.
Most Madison fans I know are like dentists. Scared of downtown Milwaukee.
Quote from: UWW2MU on March 20, 2025, 08:07:19 AMThis drives me nuts. They're the ones who decided as a conf to have 47 teams and give half their conf tourny teams 12 byes and draw it out. Now they want the entire NCAAT to accommodate their schedule? It's BS
They created the problem, they can go complain to their own leadership about that.
Not to mention they end it on a Sunday.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2025, 08:09:48 AMNot to mention they end it on a Sunday.
The real problem is, their student athletes are missing class time by having to play on Thursday instead of Friday night
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2025, 07:01:36 AMOf course.
How many manatees died for that credit?
That Xavier win shows why they're trending up bigly
There are always upsets, so you gotta pick some. The trick is picking the right ones.
So many people are picking UC San Diego, Yale, Colorado State, Drake and McNeese that I really didn't want to pick any of them. But I did end up picking Colorado State (a 12, but they're actually favored - yikes) and Drake.
Others: Akron, High Point, and ... what the hell ... Montana over the Weasels and Bryant over Michigan State.
As I said earlier in the week, I have Marquette going to the Elite 8 but losing to Auburn - probably SLAW that I didn't pick us to win that one, too!
So I didn't think this question is worth its own thread or a poll but curious what you'll think.
What does BE respect look like as far as MM results?
1 in the E8
3 in the S16
4/5 round 1 wins
500 or better MM win % (1/1 now with X 🙂).
?
I'm feeling a bit concerned with the big football conference consolidation, talk or their own tourney. NIL and Portal nonsense.
The BE has 4 of the last 8 NCAA championships but why do I think we're just a couple crappy seasons away from joining the third world bball conferences.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 20, 2025, 09:10:52 AMSo I didn't think this question is worth its own thread or a poll but curious what you'll think.
What does BE respect look like as far as MM results?
1 in the E8
3 in the S16
4/5 round 1 wins
500 or better MM win % (1/1 now with X 🙂).
?
I'm feeling a bit concerned with the big football conference consolidation, talk or their own tourney. NIL and Portal nonsense.
The BE has 4 of the last 8 NCAA championships but why do I think we're just a couple crappy seasons away from joining the third world bball conferences.
Marquette will still have a kick-ass dental school
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 20, 2025, 09:10:52 AMSo I didn't think this question is worth its own thread or a poll but curious what you'll think.
What does BE respect look like as far as MM results?
1 in the E8
3 in the S16
4/5 round 1 wins
500 or better MM win % (1/1 now with X 🙂).
?
I'm feeling a bit concerned with the big football conference consolidation, talk or their own tourney. NIL and Portal nonsense.
The BE has 4 of the last 8 NCAA championships but why do I think we're just a couple crappy seasons away from joining the third world bball conferences.
3 in the Sweet 16 this year would be an amazing accomplishment considering the seeds.
Even St.John's will have a hard time getting there if the officials call more of their fouls than they are used to.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 20, 2025, 09:10:52 AMSo I didn't think this question is worth its own thread or a poll but curious what you'll think.
What does BE respect look like as far as MM results?
1 in the E8
3 in the S16
4/5 round 1 wins
500 or better MM win % (1/1 now with X 🙂).
?
I'm feeling a bit concerned with the big football conference consolidation, talk or their own tourney. NIL and Portal nonsense.
The BE has 4 of the last 8 NCAA championships but why do I think we're just a couple crappy seasons away from joining the third world bball conferences.
BE trending down
Quote from: wisblue on March 20, 2025, 09:29:16 AM3 in the Sweet 16 this year would be an amazing accomplishment considering the seeds.
Even St.John's will have a hard time getting there if the officials call more of their fouls than they are used to.
With SJU's draw, I don't think they'll have much trouble.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 20, 2025, 09:17:04 AMMarquette will still have a kick-ass dental school
They really do!
Wonder what the AP has it ranked.
Creighton getting good looks early missing them all. Ashworth cant be having another brickfest though.
Great D by Creighton
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 20, 2025, 09:10:52 AMSo I didn't think this question is worth its own thread or a poll but curious what you'll think.
What does BE respect look like as far as MM results?
1 in the E8
3 in the S16
4/5 round 1 wins
500 or better MM win % (1/1 now with X 🙂).
?
I'm feeling a bit concerned with the big football conference consolidation, talk or their own tourney. NIL and Portal nonsense.
The BE has 4 of the last 8 NCAA championships but why do I think we're just a couple crappy seasons away from joining the third world bball conferences.
Don't make me do an objective look at where the conferences are trending, because I'll do it.
Let me just tell you right now it's not looking good for the Big Least.
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 20, 2025, 11:24:27 AMDon't make me do an objective look at where the conferences are trending, because I'll do it.
Let me just tell you right now it's not looking good for the Big Least.
All I know is that the A10 is trending up.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 20, 2025, 11:20:24 AMCreighton getting good looks early missing them all. Ashworth cant be having another brickfest though.
Great D by Creighton
Except for the one good game he had against us this year, his entire resume vs Marquette was one brick-fest after another: 2-for-26 from 3. Remarkably bad. He also was just 2-for-10 in the BET title game vs. STJ. So never surprised when he bricks 'em. His big game-winner this season was the one he impossibly banked in from the deep corner vs. Providence.
Really fun start to this game. Excellent pace and shots falling a bit
Teams seem very even so should stay competitive assuming one doesn't go ice cold.
If I were Louisville, I'd just run that high screen over and over with kalkbrenner's guy and shoot open threes.
Wow massive run by Creighton.
CU is on point. Up 15 just like that.
Ashworth (and others) obviously inspired by me pointing out his brick-throwing vs. us and St. John's.
Watching this game and all I'm seeing is down low bangers pounding each other and transfer portal shooters filling it up. And that's why they're playing already and we're not.
Are you watching this Shaka??
Creighton raining 3s from all over. Yep, they are not improving. 2 seed in BEast.
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 20, 2025, 11:59:56 AMAnd that's why they're playing already and we're not.
What
Big east on fire so far.
I see Creighton is sending an early message. Wow.
Purdue looks horrid.
High Point cant do much but launch NBA 3s or make free throws
But Purude keeps having like 3+ shot missed possessions and fouling shooters.
Ashworth already with a receding hairline. Guess he must be about 2 years old already.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 20, 2025, 12:07:19 PMAshworth already with a receding hairline. Guess he must be about 2 years old already.
28 years old.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 20, 2025, 12:07:19 PMAshworth already with a receding hairline. Guess he must be about 2 years old already.
WILLLLLIIIIEEEEEEBRIIIIIICCCCCKKKKKKKKKKKKK
That's an impressive start for Creighton.
Off to a hot start this tourney.
Issue is my biggest bet is a parlay that has the HP/Purdue over in it
How in the world was the over 155. Purude is just having a bad luck horrendous open shot half. But High Point is a terrible team that doesn't even run an offense.
Guess that's why 4+ leg parlays are valued where they are
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 20, 2025, 12:28:32 PMBut High Point is a terrible team that doesn't even run an offense.
Sounds familiar doesn't it
Montana looks short, slow and unathletic. But they aren't very good shooters.
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 20, 2025, 11:59:56 AMWatching this game and all I'm seeing is down low bangers pounding each other and transfer portal shooters filling it up. And that's why they're playing already and we're not.
Are you watching this Shaka??
Get off the hub, the tournament is on.
Pat Kelsey has the Louisville fans showing their class, bombarding the court with water bottles. Fortunately, there are no couches to burn in the arena.
Fouls galore in 2nd half of Purude game
Sadly for me, Purude is brutal at the line
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 20, 2025, 12:28:32 PMOff to a hot start this tourney.
Issue is my biggest bet is a parlay that has the HP/Purdue over in it
How in the world was the over 155. Purude is just having a bad luck horrendous open shot half. But High Point is a terrible team that doesn't even run an offense.
Guess that's why 4+ leg parlays are valued where they are
I'll say this before the posts become unhinged as a result of your betting going potentially poorly, nobody cares about your bets.
Quote from: withoutbias on March 20, 2025, 01:21:53 PMI'll say this before the posts become unhinged as a result of your betting going potentially poorly, nobody cares about your bets.
Nobody cares about you continuing to breathe, but you do it anyways.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 20, 2025, 12:28:32 PMOff to a hot start this tourney.
Issue is my biggest bet is a parlay that has the HP/Purdue over in it
How in the world was the over 155. Purude is just having a bad luck horrendous open shot half. But High Point is a terrible team that doesn't even run an offense.
Guess that's why 4+ leg parlays are valued where they are
Use this:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62744.0
Don't spam this topic with your gambling nonsense.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2025, 01:26:07 PMUse this:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=62744.0
Don't spam this topic with your gambling nonsense.
No because High Point and Purude are part of the NCAA tournament.
Purdue looking like the usual pre last year tourney Purude
They should just run through Renn every time.
Smith is so much better when he probes deep into paint instead of stopping for a wild mid range turn around.
Starting to take over a bit
Quote from: wisblue on March 20, 2025, 12:53:33 PMMontana looks short, slow and unathletic. But they aren't very good shooters.
Where the heck did you get my high school scouting report?
Houston just smothers bad teams. Every single time.
High Point didn't have enough to beat a meh looking Purdue team. Same with Montana and the Weasels. Doggone it!
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 02:06:33 PMHigh Point didn't have enough to beat a meh looking Purdue team. Same with Montana and the Weasels. Doggone it!
Feels like a real Low Point in their season.
My Helfaer rec team '85 could beat Montana. Geesch!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 20, 2025, 01:54:49 PMHouston just smothers bad teams. Every single time.
pullin' for Barone. Oh well...got em their 1st all-time ticket, at least.
I dont think Montana has it in em
I may need a Markett jersey
It won't ultimately matter, but runs like this one from Alabama St. makes the tourney worth watching.
This McNeese State/Clemson game is painful to watch, first one to 40 wins.
ACC may be looking to merge after the first round.
Career day for Neal of CU. Insane game
Clemson with a 13 point half
31-13 McNeese at the half!! Wow.
McNeese not distracted by Wade leaving for NC State.
I see Alabama St. is hanging around.
I had zero hope for Montana.
Very disappointed in High Point.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2025, 03:19:30 PMMcNeese not distracted by Wade leaving for NC State.
As someone pointed out on Twitter though, that's likely because they're all going with him to NC State.
Quote from: tower912 on March 20, 2025, 03:15:51 PMClemson with a 13 point half
They shot like we did vs NC State. Only worse.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2025, 03:21:48 PMAs someone pointed out on Twitter though, that's likely because they're all going with him to NC State.
Yeah, I was gonna say. The ones he wants will still be his guys next year anyway.
Someone said a few days ago that he wanted MU to play late Friday so if we lose it doesn't ruin 2 days of tourney-watching for him.
As an optimist who expects victory, I like MU to play early Thursday so that I can be in a great mood while I watch Thu and Fri action.
I mean, fans of Purdue, Madison and Creighton are really happy and kicking it back right now.
Did the NCAA give Georgia the wrong start time? 27-5??
Gonzaga vs Georgia. On TBS.
No. 0 on Gonzaga is a phenomenal passer. R. Nembhard. Have him listed as 6'-0". No way. Maybe 5'-10". But man, what a passer. So crisp and dead on.
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 03:41:34 PMSomeone said a few days ago that he wanted MU to play late Friday so if we lose it doesn't ruin 2 days of tourney-watching for him.
As an optimist who expects victory, I like MU to play early Thursday so that I can be in a great mood while I watch Thu and Fri action.
I mean, fans of Purdue, Madison and Creighton are really happy and kicking it back right now.
Yes I am ;D
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2025, 12:04:19 PMI see Creighton is sending an early message. Wow.
Yeah. Where is Wadesworld with his expert critique of Creighton.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 20, 2025, 04:05:50 PMYeah. Where is Wadesworld with his expert critique of Creighton.
Living rent-free in your head, seems like
Terrible T call against Clemson.
McNeese not handling the Clemson press well. More interesting than it needs to be.
Quote from: Oldgym on March 20, 2025, 04:08:10 PMLiving rent-free in your head, seems like
come on now, it's win time. We are all buddies for a few days. 😉
I just noticed Marquette gets the logo flashed on a sweater near the end in the AT&T commercial with the guy selling bogus misspelled college swag.
Mcneese trying to pull a depaul.
ACC not looking very good.
ACC blows.
First upset of tourney.
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 03:41:34 PMSomeone said a few days ago that he wanted MU to play late Friday so if we lose it doesn't ruin 2 days of tourney-watching for him.
As an optimist who expects victory, I like MU to play early Thursday so that I can be in a great mood while I watch Thu and Fri action.
I mean, fans of Purdue, Madison and Creighton are really happy and kicking it back right now.
Yep already feel the nerves setting in
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 20, 2025, 03:01:03 PMACC may be looking to merge after the first round.
...with the Horizen.
Who the f*cks idea was it to pay Steve Lappas to talk?
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 03:41:34 PMSomeone said a few days ago that he wanted MU to play late Friday so if we lose it doesn't ruin 2 days of tourney-watching for him.
As an optimist who expects victory, I like MU to play early Thursday so that I can be in a great mood while I watch Thu and Fri action.
I mean, fans of Purdue, Madison and Creighton are really happy and kicking it back right now.
This board must just be furious Wisconsin got the early game today.
BYU coach looks like he uses "There's Something About Mary" hair gel.
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 03:41:34 PMSomeone said a few days ago that he wanted MU to play late Friday so if we lose it doesn't ruin 2 days of tourney-watching for him.
As an optimist who expects victory, I like MU to play early Thursday so that I can be in a great mood while I watch Thu and Fri action.
I mean, fans of Purdue, Madison and Creighton are really happy and kicking it back right now.
As an optimist who expects victory, why wouldn't you be in a good mood regardless of when they play?
BYU-Wisconsin might be one of the best games in the second round.
BYU has several guys with classic square up 3 point jump shot form.
Whoa. What happened to McNeese? Shocked to see the final score.
Lots of lopsided games thus far. Hopefully the night slate will deliver.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2025, 05:22:26 PMWhoa. What happened to McNeese? Shocked to see the final score.
Lots of lopsided games thus far. Hopefully the night slate will deliver.
Clemson finally woke up and started playing like a 5 seed but it was too little too late.
Mcneese missed some free throws that helped in the comeback.
Anybody can play bad in the tournament........it doesn't mean you're a bad team or were seeded incorrectly........all.it takes is a bad matchup......bad shooting day.....or an outlier performance by an underdog opponent and it's over.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 20, 2025, 04:58:14 PMAs an optimist who expects victory, why wouldn't you be in a good mood regardless of when they play?
Fair question.
I am an optimist, and I think we'll win tomorrow. But I'm also a fan, and I'm nervous as heck waiting around for us to get this thing started!
All games except for McNeese were pretty easy picks. Tonite though, I like 3 underdogs.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 20, 2025, 04:57:37 PMBYU coach looks like he uses "There's Something About Mary" hair gel.
haha...I think he's the lead in the reboot of Big Love, the miniseries
Quote from: willie warrior on March 20, 2025, 04:05:50 PMYeah. Where is Wadesworld with his expert critique of Creighton.
Creighton a 3 seed last year. Creighton a 9 seed this year. According to wee little Willie, Creighton gets better every year. 6 seed line drop while MU had a 5 seed line drop. The team with the 6 seed line drop is getting better every year, while the team with the 5 seed line drop has an arrow pointing DOWN and is getting passed up.
Sad!
Drake/Missouri should be a good one.
Is it wrong to root for Arkansas over Kansas?
Nice of Georgia to show up.
Quote from: wisblue on March 20, 2025, 05:09:42 PMBYU-Wisconsin might be one of the best games in the second round.
BYU has several guys with classic square up 3 point jump shot form.
Traditionals*
OMG, it's hell to listen to Lappas.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 20, 2025, 06:31:26 PMOMG, it's hell to listen to Lappas.
Imagine paying him to talk
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 20, 2025, 01:31:12 PMSmith is so much better when he probes deep into paint instead of stopping for a wild mid range turn around.
Starting to take over a bit
I thought mid range jumpers were the strategy
Yale needs to wake up. Terrible start.
Quote from: wisblue on March 20, 2025, 05:09:42 PMBYU-Wisconsin might be one of the best games in the second round.
BYU has several guys with classic square up 3 point jump shot form.
BYU traditionals
Quote from: wisblue on March 20, 2025, 05:09:42 PMBYU-Wisconsin might be one of the best games in the second round.
BYU has several guys with classic square up 3 point jump shot form.
It will be one of the best games in the second round if BYU drops them.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 20, 2025, 06:38:45 PMI thought mid range jumpers were the strategy
It's called a turnaround jumper because it "turns around" your team's misfortune and starts a run!
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2025, 06:39:00 PMYale needs to wake up. Terrible start.
Didn't eat enough sea mammal protein
Drake controlling tempo but they've gotta stop kicking the ball away. Stirtz has game.
You can really tell how well coached Drake is.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2025, 06:13:29 PMDrake/Missouri should be a good one.
Is it wrong to root for Arkansas over Kansas?
i'm all for Coach Cal. Screw 'Big Blue'
Yale can't make open shots.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2025, 07:46:54 PMYale can't make open shots.
What do you expect from a bunch of guys who couldn't get into UW-Madison?
They completely whiffed that call and it went against Yale.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 20, 2025, 07:50:29 PMWhat do you expect from a bunch of guys who couldn't get into UW-Madison?
I expect them to focus.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2025, 08:04:01 PMI expect them to focus.
They focus on homework not on a silly game
Self goes zone and Ark has not handled it well.
Big shot there for the saw.
Dickinson has been a negative for Kansas.
That was a phantom foul on the Storr 7 footer. Huge call.
Dickinson has to be one of the worst regarded star players of the last 30+ years.
Kansas has a program has instantly taken a step back in his two years.
Self putting him back into this game is hilarious. They were rolling without him. He comes in and KU cant score to save their lives. 2 hunter TOs. And Arkansas on a huge run.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 20, 2025, 08:14:10 PMDickinson has to be one of the worst regarded star players of the last 30+ years.
Kansas has a program has instantly taken a step back in his two years.
Self putting him back into this game is hilarious. They were rolling without him. He comes in and KU cant score to save their lives. 2 hunter TOs. And Arkansas on a huge run.
Trending down
Man was that some piss poor basketball played by Kansas down the stretch.
Huge brick from Dickinson!
Yep. They were better with Big Dick on the bench.
0 points in second half. Just bricked a 3.
Lappas was right there. WTF? Foul at 13 secs!
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 08:17:27 PMYep. They were better with Big Dick on the bench.
0 points in second half. Just bricked a 3.
Dick brick
Cal's daughter has some anxiety issues
Don't have a Frosh in bound the ball Cal.
Situational awareness. Run the baseline. I like the football inbounds plays.
See ya Hunter Dickinson..............15 years of college was more than enough.
Buh-Bye Self/Kansas.
Self is so loathed he made Calipari a sympathetic figure.
Let's go Drake!!
Willie is a saint on here compared with how bad the Kansas board trashes its players. Damn even I thought it was rough. Bunch of hill Billies
High-level transfers are doing wonders for Self's program.
But at least he didn't get stuck with a loser like Zuby this season.
Kansas lost.
I'm happy.
What a shot by Stirtz. Wow.
Sturtz just made a "floater" from 23 feet.
Dickinson plays great in meaningless mid season games, gets respect among conference award voters...then looks terrible in high level tournament pressure games. Have fun in a Korea big man.
Also, I'll admit to being fully wrong about McCollum's prospects as a D-1 coach. I'm still not sure he's ready to recruit at a level you'd need if he gets the Iowa job. But dude is clearly an Xs and Os savant
Missouri is starting to find their range.
Let's go Drake. Close this out!!!
WTF?? Focus dude!
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 20, 2025, 07:50:29 PMWhat do you expect from a bunch of guys who couldn't get into UW-Madison?
Is there a UW alum that, within 5 minutes, won't tell you a) they are a UW grad and b) how superior academically their school is? 🤮
That was a bad call. Drake needs a time-out.
The discrepancy for what constitutes a foul for Drake vs. Missouri is insane. Refs are gifting Missouri a path back into the game.
Quote from: Viper on March 20, 2025, 08:41:42 PMIs there a UW alum that, within 5 minutes, won't tell you a) they are a UW grad and b) how superior academically their school is? 🤮
Me if you count grad school grad.
Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2025, 08:44:30 PMThe discrepancy for what constitutes a foul for Drake vs. Missouri is insane. Refs are gifting Missouri a path back into the game.
Some seemed very questionable to me as well.
Sweet Jesus!! Make your free throws Drake!
A free throw discrepancy big enough for JB to acknowledge.
Quote from: Viper on March 20, 2025, 08:41:42 PMIs there a UW alum that, within 5 minutes, won't tell you a) they are a UW grad and b) how superior academically their school is? 🤮
Yes.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2025, 08:45:28 PMSome seemed very questionable to me as well.
I just hope that the refs let MU play defense like Missouri does without blowing a whistle.
Dammit. Mizzou +17 at the FT line.
Part of that is Drake shooting 3-10
I LIKE the outfits on the Missouri cheerleaders!
Quote from: JWags85 on March 20, 2025, 08:38:44 PMDickinson plays great in meaningless mid season games, gets respect among conference award voters...then looks terrible in high level tournament pressure games. Have fun in a Korea big man.
Also, I'll admit to being fully wrong about McCollum's prospects as a D-1 coach. I'm still not sure he's ready to recruit at a level you'd need if he gets the Iowa job. But dude is clearly an Xs and Os savant
I know their style is obviously very slow and methodical with moving the ball
But right now he might want to instruct his guys to shoot the ball. They are trying to do anything but take a shot and its killing them
That and ghastly free throw shooting
He is def a good coach though. Had Mizzou with a lot of weapons flummoxed for most of this game.
Stirtz has to take over.
Knock these down Drake.
FOCUS AND FINISH.
Drake's got this one.
If anything. That was an offensive foul on Missouri (not Drake) for hooking the defender.
St. John's down early.
Quote from: Viper on March 20, 2025, 08:41:42 PMIs there a UW alum that, within 5 minutes, won't tell you a) they are a UW grad and b) how superior academically their school is? 🤮
Not many people will hate on Wisconsin athletics to the extent that I do, nor detest their fanbase's attitude. However, it bears repeating that the majority of the most obnoxious UW affiliated people are Burlington Coat Factory Badgers who went to a UW extension. Pretty sure at least half of the main notable Dbags on Buckyville/Badgermaniac are not Madison grads.
My younger sister is a UW grad. I spent a ton of time in my late 20s/early 30s with her large group of UW alumni friends watching college sports, and they were not only largely normal, but the majority were self deprecating about UW sports. I never heard any elitism about the academics. Hell, one of her good friends was a T&F athlete and he was open and hilarious about being a fairly mediocre student and that he'd have ended up at at a random directional school in Missouri or Illinois if he wasn't a very good athlete.
Whew.
Now make these FT's.
Count that!
Slam the door.
Drake Ball!
Really undisciplined by Mizzou.
Drake is literally missing 1-2 free throws every time. And Mizzou keeps panic trying to score. Not realizing that just driving and making a lay up or getting fouled is a 2-1 or better trade off every time.
No reason to out of control drive or take a 3.
Tick, tick, tick, tick. :)
What a great win for Drake.
Mizzou won at Florida btw.
Wasn't aware you could put Ejifor away from the basket, or grab offensive boards
Announcer: "I thought we were trying to get away from all that banging down low. A lot of contact down there."
Ya. That's the Pitino effect bud.
6 fouls on St.J.
Omaha lead, it don't matter. Rhino attack coming at the 10min mark in second half. Omaha better be up by 20 by then or it's over.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 20, 2025, 09:27:29 PMOmaha lead, it don't matter. Rhino attack coming at the 10min mark in second half. Omaha better be up by 20 by then or it's over.
Ya.. it's only a matter of time.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 20, 2025, 09:27:29 PMOmaha lead, it don't matter. Rhino attack coming at the 10min mark in second half. Omaha better be up by 20 by then or it's over.
Not if someone harpoons those stupid rhinos first
Refs calling a foul a foul. St. John's flummoxed
#1 on Omaha is a whole lot of speed without much purpose
St.J is completely out of sorts right now. UNO controlling the pace and the glass.
I knew Utah State was the 10 seed I wanted MU to play. Dang it!
Good day for the B18 unfortunately.
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 09:53:26 PMI knew Utah State was the 10 seed I wanted MU to play. Dang it!
They look so awful. Would've been great to play them.
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 09:53:26 PMI knew Utah State was the 10 seed I wanted MU to play. Dang it!
I wish we had them too. I'd be fine with Tennessee as the round 2 also, but prefer Michigan State.
Bottom line though is this team should win no matter who the other team is.
Switch flipped by St.J.
The Johnnies are rollin now. This will put the Big East at 3-0.
UCSD making a comeback.
Luis is a heck of a player.
UNC Wilmington hanging in there, too.
Let's go Tritons!
Kind of crazy that Omaha is dominating St. Johns on the offensive glass (17-9). But that may have more to do with the fact that they are shooting 28.6% from the field.
Hard to believe UCSD has a shot and they're 4-22 from distance.
Bad officiating in the UCSD/Mich game.
Tait-Jones fouling out hurts. Damn.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2025, 11:00:35 PMTait-Jones fouling out hurts. Damn.
He was -19 tonight.
Wow. I thought UCSD was fouled at the rim.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2025, 11:14:41 PMWow. I thought UCSD was fouled at the rim.
I agree.
That was just dumb. Fk.
Dusty May didn't foul up 3.
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 11:30:22 PMDusty May didn't foul up 3.
They had 20 secs. You attack quickly and extend the game. Smh.
Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2025, 11:17:03 PMI agree.
They also missed a Mich player oob before he shot and made a late three. I think it was Tcheddar. Inexcusable no call.
Mountain West 0-2 in 2 blow out losses,
Big East 3-0 after Thursday...I am thinking there may be a difference between the two conferences.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 20, 2025, 08:29:26 PMWillie is a saint on here compared with how bad the Kansas board trashes its players. Damn even I thought it was rough. Bunch of hill Billies
Notable hilly state, Kansas.
Quote from: Viper on March 20, 2025, 08:41:42 PMIs there a UW alum that, within 5 minutes, won't tell you a) they are a UW grad and b) how superior academically their school is? 🤮
Yes. Thousands.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 20, 2025, 11:35:48 PMThey also missed a Mich player oob before he shot and made a late three. I think it was Tcheddar. Inexcusable no call.
There were still 9 minutes to go in the game. And the one replay they quickly aired didn't conclusively show he stepped out of bounds. The announcer said, "I think he might have stepped out of bounds."
UCSD had plenty of chances after (and before) that.
Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2025, 10:13:27 AMThere were still 9 minutes to go in the game. And the one replay they quickly aired didn't conclusively show he stepped out of bounds. The announcer said, "I think he might have stepped out of bounds."
UCSD had plenty of chances after (and before) that.
Pure Muggsy. He stated it was an inexcusable missed call, therefore it was.
The biggest bummer last night was UNCW losing to Texas Tech, thereby eliminating wonderfully named UNCW guard Greedy Williams from the tournament.
Baylor Miss State was a fun half
ANother game with lotta missed free throws and open 3s. But good pace and a lot of good looks.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 21, 2025, 12:18:00 PMBaylor Miss State was a fun half
ANother game with lotta missed free throws and open 3s. But good pace and a lot of good looks.
Pretty gross game honestly, but that's mostly MSU's fault.
Another SEC team in trouble?
Robert Morris only down 4??
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 21, 2025, 01:12:43 PMRobert Morris only down 4??
Dickerson is impressive.
That was a frickin clean tackle of Baylor player. No foul?
Shucks. I see RMU is in Whisky's region.
Wow. No basket on that for Baylor?
Back to back bad calls.
Some creative interpretations down the stretch in the Baylor game.
Another SEC team bites the dust.
Scott Drew didn't foul up 3.
Mississippi State fired an airball.
Terrible call there against Robert Morris.
Ball don't lie.
The refs not calling that and 1 on the edgecomb bucket was insane.
Miss State loses tho with the worst game strategy of all time.
Down 1 with 29 seconds left. Baylor ball and possession arrow. They press, fine. Baylor gets over the line they press more. Baylor inbounds and they stand and don't foul and Chase edgecomb more.
20 seconds off the clock in a 1 pt game where you don't have the possession arrow.
Well, if Scott Drew did it, it must have been the ethical choice.
Colorado St trying to do away with Penny.
Penny and Memphis are in classic form right now.
Better right the ship quickly
I had no idea Robbie Hummell sounded so much like Jay Bilas.
Bad basketball in this tournament so far, honestly
Penny is just a bad coach.
Memphis was severely overseeded.
Lot of teams being very passive while down 10 with 2 minutes left.
Hagerty looking a lot like Marcus circa against Seton Hall in the BET.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 21, 2025, 02:58:21 PMBad basketball in this tournament so far, honestly
This does not apply to Ole Miss.
Another finely disciplined effort by Penny's team.
1 NCAAT win in 7 years.
He'll always have that first-round win over Boise State in 2022, though.
Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2025, 03:34:18 PMAnother finely disciplined effort by Penny's team.
1 NCAAT win in 7 years.
He'll always have that first-round win over Boise State in 2022, though.
1 in 7 still beats wojo mojos zero!
I swear they just said St. Mary's is 4-45 shooting 3s over the last 3 games.
UNC plays a real team and they are absolutely terrible. Shocking.
Also, Ole Miss's PG is like Aldi brand TJ McConnell, he's preposterously slow
Quote from: #UnleashSean on March 21, 2025, 03:38:39 PM1 in 7 still beats wojo mojos zero!
Congrats on comparing him to Wojo instead of Shaka. Very relevant. :o
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 21, 2025, 04:03:47 PMCongrats on comparing him to Wojo instead of Shaka. Very relevant. :o
How can I compare to the great shaka?
Quote from: #UnleashSean on March 21, 2025, 03:38:39 PM1 in 7 still beats wojo mojos zero!
Wojo? Who's that? The guy Marquette fired after mojoing zero in 7 years?
Quote from: #UnleashSean on March 21, 2025, 04:05:16 PMHow can I compare to the great shaka?
Not to worry. You don't.
Vanderbilt and St. Mary's putting on a show.
Another SEC team has been dismissed.
Ole Miss is gagging.
Ole Miss entered prevent offense mode with 15 minutes left
Every possession they just dribble 25 seconds off. Chuck a brick. Then watch UNC race down for a lay up.
Beard might wanna yeah know, try something.
Giving up a huge lead, offense sputtering...and Beard still continues to drag out ever possession, brilliant stuff
This is horrible basketball. UNC's only offense is 100MPH at the hoop. If it's contested, they chuck at the rim.
Incredible last 2 mins with the missed bunnies.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 21, 2025, 05:03:16 PMGiving up a huge lead, offense sputtering...and Beard still continues to drag out ever possession, brilliant stuff
Its mind blowing.
Hubert also shoulda called a time out when UNC finally got a little out of wack and tired there from all the chaos but tough to blame him cause Ole Miss is completely on the ropes praying time runs out
General Q. Do our basketball banners get to fly at Fiserv for these games, or do they have to be tucked away?
Brakefield is UNC best player
I think he takes a stupid shot or wildly dribbles in traffic(as a big man) every possession. Beard just keeps letting him too
That looked like an offensive foul on Davis.
LOL Davis elbows guy in the face. Cause him to stop playing D.
So Davis open drives for an And 1.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 21, 2025, 05:11:12 PMThat looked like an offensive foul on Davis.
Oh no.
Huge shot.
First made 3 of the 2nd half and just their 2nd since starting 6/7
Great time for it.
Im expecting more chaos with Ole Miss having a lot of 1 and 1s coming
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 05:12:40 PMOh no.
I'm talking about at the rim. The Ole Miss player went straight up and Davis extended his elbow and arm to his face.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 21, 2025, 05:14:52 PMI'm talking about at the rim. The Ole Miss player went straight up and Davis extended his elbow and arm to his face.
Not a chance.
Dear Bubba,
No, your team didn't deserve to be in the tournament.
Sincerely,
Everyone.
:)
Seeing UNC lose always makes me feel good.
Can you imagine being proud to be friends with the Drew family? Pure scum.
Not a good performance from the Lopes.
Maryland looks good.
Quote from: Viper on March 21, 2025, 05:09:38 PMGeneral Q. Do our basketball banners get to fly at Fiserv for these games, or do they have to be tucked away?
I've never heard of them being tucked away for any reason but I guess I've never been to a concert or something there
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 21, 2025, 05:29:34 PMThe B18 looks good, sadly.
Best league in the land. Not even close
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 21, 2025, 05:18:58 PMDear Bubba,
No, your team didn't deserve to be in the tournament.
Sincerely,
Everyone.
:)
I disagree. UNC proved they could be a 3rd or 4th place team in the MWC.
Carolina deserved to be in the tournament. You'd have to be pretty idiotic to think otherwise
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 21, 2025, 05:31:47 PMBest league in the land. Not even close
Of course, because Gard always gets it done
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 21, 2025, 05:33:34 PMCarolina deserved to be in the tournament. You'd have to be pretty idiotic to think otherwise
And??
I'm dying to read the punchline.
Clayton looks like Lillard out there.
I just decided I'm converting to Mormonism. At least for tomorrow...
Not looking like a good night for the BEast.
UCONN finds a way.
But Florida is a problem.
It's sucks we're done, but here are some of today's goals:
BYU punking Whisky
St.J and Creighton advancing
Drake and McNeese advancing
Johnnies are struggling down 5.
Boy Self made a giant mistake prioritizing Dickinson over Ejiofor.
Quote from: Viper on March 21, 2025, 05:09:38 PMGeneral Q. Do our basketball banners get to fly at Fiserv for these games, or do they have to be tucked away?
At the BC they did, about the only thing they covered were the Miller Lite cans on top of the scoreboard.
Can't lie. Watching the Johnnies get bullied is kinda satisfying
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 22, 2025, 02:18:39 PMCan't lie. Watching the Johnnies get bullied is kinda satisfying
It's a replay of our game.
My goodness Zuby is a flopper.
He tried to run over Brazile and when he didn't budge, Zuby flops. Pathetic.
The biggest joke of a flagrant I've ever seeen q
Never seen a foul on a made 1st shot of a 1 and 1
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 02:42:12 PMThe biggest joke of a flagrant I've ever seeen q
The Pitino whistle is a golden ticket every game. The calls they get are incredible.
St.J might want to convert chippies in tbe 2H. Abysmal point blank shooting.
I think they just said Buzz is looking to become the 10th coach to take 3 different programs to the Sweet 16.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2025, 03:08:35 PMI think they just said Buzz is looking to become the 10th coach to take 3 different programs to the Sweet 16.
When will they say that about Shaka?
Funny watching pitino and ark coach pull multiple serviceable 7 footers of the bench and we pull out Hamilton
Quote from: willie warrior on March 22, 2025, 03:23:03 PMWhen will they say that about Shaka?
When he gets a job elsewhere. Right now, just the two programs.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 22, 2025, 03:23:03 PMWhen will they say that about Shaka?
Hopefully never. I'd love for him to be here forever and not be able to do it at a 3rd.
St. John's looks like Marquette trying to finish at the rim today.
This is a major dumpster fire game from. Luis. Wow.
Someone said the moment St. John's faced a tight whistle they'd lose and here we are. they look worse than we did yesterday
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 22, 2025, 03:38:15 PMThis is a major dumpster fire game from. Luis. Wow.
He's been truly awful.
Richmond and Luis Jr. going ice cold from short and mid-range is a recipe for failure. Can't have your stars missing lay ups. As MU was reminded.
Arkansas is playing like the Johnnies better than the Johnnies are
St John's crapping the bed. They need to hit the portal in the off season and get players that don't choke in march.
Pitino would never lose to a 10 seed.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 22, 2025, 03:41:20 PMSt John's crapping the bed. They need to hit the portal in the off season and get players that don't choke in march.
Yeah their roster isn't way more complete and better than ours sure
Seriously get out of the way refs.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 22, 2025, 03:41:20 PMSt John's crapping the bed. They need to hit the portal in the off season and get players that don't choke in march.
Luis and Richmond have been beyond atrocious. Gag fest?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 22, 2025, 03:43:34 PMPitino would never lose to a 10 seed.
I can see why the Celtics tired of Pitino.
They still have a good shot here while getting absolutely nothing from their two best guards.
Arkansas just got tackled, no call.
Calipari is right. They aren't making that same call on the other end.
lol disgusting refs not a foul oh my f god
Enormous call there.
Awful call on the 5th on Richmond
This second half is going to take 2 hours alone. Whistle every time down the court. Guess that's what happens when one team plays football.
Like of all the games this tourney we don't want to see you sorry ass refs with your weak whistles. Save it for the BYU UW game where it belongs
It's hard for me to have sympathy for St.J over officiating. The fact is they've crapped the bed but have time to steal this one.
That was an atrocious turnover.
Idc how bad he's been you're a moron not playing the big east player of the year right now. Idiot
Luis doesn't look particularly happy.
Benching the BE player of the year is a choice
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 04:15:10 PMIdc how bad he's been you're a moron not playing the big east player of the year right now. Idiot
That makes no sense.
St Johns taking a page outta our playbook here.
At least we don't have to see Spike in full St.J gear anymore.
Wow St John's crappee the bed. We've had some stars play bad in big games but never to the point of being benched.....Luis was as bad as it gets
Different reffing is causing nightmares for St. John's Pitino earned the players. What is with Luis.
Quote from: warriors141 on March 22, 2025, 04:16:46 PMWow St John's crappee the bed. We've had some stars play bad in big games but never to the point of being benched.....Luis was as bad as it gets
Stunning.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 04:15:10 PMIdc how bad he's been you're a moron not playing the big east player of the year right now. Idiot
Quite the message to the rest of the team though. Luis was gone anyway.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 22, 2025, 04:15:40 PMLuis doesn't look particularly happy.
Why is Pitino keeping him on the bench?
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on March 22, 2025, 04:17:50 PMWhy is Pitino keeping him on the bench?
As Lappas said: "Flabbergasted".
Let's move along refs
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on March 22, 2025, 04:17:50 PMWhy is Pitino keeping him on the bench?
Offensively terrible, haven't watched close enough but perhaps effort of d not there?
Luis to enter the portal and come to MU?
Quote from: warriors141 on March 22, 2025, 04:19:15 PMOffensively terrible, haven't watched close enough but perhaps effort of d not there?
Yeah, just turned on the last five minutes, and I see he hasn't been good, but I can't believe he's not in with it this close
Bye bye st johns
St. John's sucks. Glad their season is over.
Big East not looking good
Quote from: warriors141 on March 22, 2025, 04:19:15 PMOffensively terrible, haven't watched close enough but perhaps effort of d not there?
It definitely has absolutely nothing to do with him being bad offensively
No home cooking in the ncaa. Take your group of nil mercenaries and get bent.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 22, 2025, 04:21:56 PMIt definitely has absolutely nothing to do with him being bad offensively
Yea, that's why I thought maybe he just gave up on d....but I've only been half watching
Quote from: Daniel on March 22, 2025, 04:21:42 PMBig East not looking good
Big East will not make it out of the first weekend.
Quote from: Daniel on March 22, 2025, 04:21:42 PMBig East not looking good
Don't care. The conference sucked this year
Arkansas had the physicality not to get bullied by St.J. You add the unmitigated disaster of Luis and Richmond's play, and the result wasn't pretty for Pitino and his team.
Quote from: Dish on March 18, 2025, 12:30:02 PMLooking over some ShotQuality data, and interesting to see their last 30 day numbers. The regression monster is coming for Colorado State, St. John's, North Carolina, and especially Michigan State.
2 down, 2 to go...
Was definitely pulling for the Johnnies, a bit surprised they laid this egg
Utterly disappointing.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 22, 2025, 04:23:51 PMDon't care. The conference sucked this year
The CoS assured us that STJ was a legit final four team.
I guess going to the portal doesn't work and Pitino should be on the hot seat.
Not surprised at all that St Johns is done already. Cant just rely on being more physical than everyone, gonna have to make some shots eventually.
Quote from: chren21 on March 22, 2025, 04:23:31 PMBig East will not make it out of the first weekend.
Makes zero difference. Big East gets no respect regardless. Anyone care the BE has the last 2 championships? Besides, the BE teams were just so unlikable this year. Hard for me to pull for any of them. I usually do.
Money well spent.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 22, 2025, 04:25:03 PMThe CoS assured us that STJ was a legit final four team.
wtf is cos
Scoopers collectively stated St.J could have big probs if their fouls were called in the NCAA tournament. They didn't listen to our expertise and the result was darkness at the hands of a #10 seed.
Pitino really struggling in his old age.
Missed tournament last year. Lost to 10 seed this year.
Wow.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on March 22, 2025, 04:24:32 PMWas definitely pulling for the Johnnies, a bit surprised they laid this egg
I'm happy to not have to watch football in the NCAA Tournament anymore. And not have 3 hour games due to whistles every time down the court.
I don't really have anything against Creighton. I suppose I can halfheartedly root for them.
I would certainly be disappointed as a Johnnie's fan. At least the CoS can point out that we didn't have to sell our souls in order to flame out in the tourney.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 04:26:28 PMwtf is cos
The new projo. Relatively certain it is Cult of Shaka.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 22, 2025, 04:25:46 PMMakes zero difference. Big East gets no respect regardless. Anyone care the BE has the last 2 championships? Besides, the BE teams were just so unlikable this year. Hard for me to pull for any of them. I usually do.
It was a rough year for sure.
Weird seeing St. John's look so dominant the last few months to looking so laughably bad tonight: Luis Richmond with their worst games of the season. their magical season ends in round 2 as they piss the bed. Kinda sad really. Big east sucks
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 22, 2025, 04:27:08 PMPitino really struggling in his old age.
Missed tournament last year. Lost to 10 seed this year.
Wow.
Still influences calls in his old age.
No surprise he missed the Tourney in year 1. He was way ahead of schedule by year 2. He's not struggling at all.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 22, 2025, 04:27:26 PMI don't really have anything against Creighton. I suppose I can halfheartedly root for them.
I mad at everyone and everything. Today has been a difficult day for me. :(
Who on that St. John's team will be back next year?
Quote from: tower912 on March 22, 2025, 04:27:53 PMThe new projo. Relatively certain it is Cult of Shaka.
[/quoteQuote from: tower912 on March 22, 2025, 04:27:53 PMThe new projo. Relatively certain it is Cult of Shaka.
Hmm thanks fun..
Jeez.
Luis and Scott 4 for 27. Luis 3 for 17 and Scott 1 for 10. Richmond fouls out and Pitino benches Luis for like last three minutes.
Arkansas freshmen outstanding, getting Fland back after three months off was huge.
Fland #10 ranked recruit, Karter Knox #22 and Billy Richmond #23. Freshmen stepped it up in the NCAAT.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 22, 2025, 04:24:13 PMArkansas had the physicality not to get bullied by St.J. You add the unmitigated disaster of Luis and Richmond's play, and the result wasn't pretty for Pitino and his team.
Yes, Arkansas could match their size, athleticism, and physical style. St. John's poor shooting caught up with them once their strengths were matched.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 04:26:28 PMwtf is cos
Point Warrior is trying to displace Willie as the name caller expert. My guess is it means Cult of Shaka. I'll play. Point Warrior is one of the COCCs. Cult Of Compulsive Critics. The pronunciation of it is spot on.
Arkansas's billionaire beat SJU's billionaire.
Did I mention st Johns sucks
Quote from: 1SE on March 22, 2025, 04:27:42 PMI would certainly be disappointed as a Johnnie's fan. At least the CoS can point out that we didn't have to sell our souls in order to flame out in the tourney.
Look above, they already have
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 22, 2025, 04:31:12 PMPoint Warrior is trying to displace Willie as the name caller expert. My guess is it means Cult of Shaka. I'll play. Point Warrior is one of the COCCs. Cult Of Compulsive Critics. The pronunciation of it is spot on.
Cult of Critical Know-it-alls
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 22, 2025, 04:26:55 PMScoopers collectively stated St.J could have big probs if their fouls were called in the NCAA tournament. They didn't listen to our expertise and the result was darkness at the hands of a #10 seed.
The absolutely atrocious shooting caught up to them. 9% from 3?? Yikes
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 22, 2025, 04:44:48 PMThe absolutely atrocious shooting caught up to them. 9% from 3?? Yikes
Only outdone by Arkansas's blistering 10% from 3
Quote from: HowardsWorld on March 22, 2025, 04:46:56 PMOnly outdone by Arkansas's blistering 10% from 3
Well, Arkansas was 43% to 28% from the field. I would say that was a huge difference and bearing on the outcome.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 22, 2025, 04:42:22 PMCult of Critical Know-it-alls
Or Critical Knockers, as they knock everything and everybody is an impressive display of negativity and vitriol. Then we go from COCCs to COCKs. Either one is a more than fair description. This childish name-calling is fun and turn-about is fair play.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 04:26:28 PMwtf is cos
He's very proud of coining it. Hoping it will catch on.
Quote from: wiscwarrior on March 22, 2025, 04:55:59 PMHe's very proud of coining it. Hoping it will catch on.
Funny did he ever even say what it meant. lol
I've been called worse. Laughed my ass off at those, too.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 04:56:45 PMFunny did he ever even say what it meant. lol
I was guessing Cult of Scoop.
Quote from: wiscwarrior on March 22, 2025, 04:55:59 PMHe's very proud of coining it. Hoping it will catch on.
I hope he likes COCCs just as much.
What is your overall view of the coverage of the NCAA tournament? Both game crews and studio analysts. I have a take but would like to read the Scoop experts first. Ty.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 22, 2025, 05:50:10 PMWhat is your overall view of the coverage of the NCAA tournament? Both game crews and studio analysts. I have a take but would like to read the Scoop experts first. Ty.
Getting Lappas for a Wednesday night, 9pm ET, CBSSports game against DePaul is just whatever. Drawing him for an NCAA tournament game is just cruel for the fans watching.
Watching creighton auburn both teams slinging 3s
Might be time to cue up the Buzz's Bunch video.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 04:56:45 PMFunny did he ever even say what it meant. lol
Started by 1SE
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?msg=1732923 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?msg=1732923)
Focus Drake! This game is getting away from them. :(
Toppin is a tremendous 2 way player.
Creightons shooting the past game and a half has been insane
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 06:59:58 PMCreightons shooting the past game and a half has been insane
No way they can be this good, they start two transfers
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 05:01:03 PMI was guessing Cult of Scoop.
I was hoping Chamber of Secrets.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 22, 2025, 07:05:20 PMNo way they can be this good, they start two transfers
But how's their culture?
Fun's over for creighton good run
Insane Pitino press conference. He couldn't even say RJ Luis' name. Wow
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 22, 2025, 07:42:58 PMInsane Pitino press conference. He couldn't even say RJ Luis' name. Wow
What? That's bizarre.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 22, 2025, 06:52:34 PMToppin is a tremendous 2 way player.
didn't he transfer from New Mexico? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Quote from: Viper on March 22, 2025, 07:48:08 PMdidn't he transfer from New Mexico? Or am I thinking of someone else?
Yes.
Meh. Shaka pulled Stevie down the stretch. Same thing, really.
Officials doing everything they can to keep Bucky afloat, and Bucky routinely saying no thanks
Isn't kind of pathetic we hope whisky to lose to feel better about our own shortcomings ?
No. I would be rooting against Wisconsin if MU had won.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 07:52:50 PMIsn't kind of pathetic we hope whisky to lose to feel better about our own shortcomings ?
Are you familiar with rivalries?
Quote from: tower912 on March 22, 2025, 07:53:39 PMNo. I would be rooting against Wisconsin if MU had won.
Very well said Tower.
I get it just feels like that in this context
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 07:56:25 PMI get it just feels like that in this context
I admittedly would care less about this game if we were still in the dance
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 22, 2025, 07:58:33 PMI admittedly would care less about this game if we were still in the dance
lol I also admit I'd enjoy seeing the badgers get blown out can't lie
I guess, after watching BYU for first time, I could get behind them
I'm old enough to remember the Badgers being a laughingstock in all sports except hockey. Ahh, the good old days
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 22, 2025, 08:04:54 PMI'm old enough to remember the Badgers being a laughingstock in all sports except hockey. Ahh, the good old days
Their football team hopefully is entering another era of irrelevance
Petty? Yes. However, I probably will find it easier to enjoy the tournament when they are out.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 22, 2025, 07:51:42 PMOfficials doing everything they can to keep Bucky afloat, and Bucky routinely saying no thanks
Bumping this
Find it amusing that the recent BYU stars come from crazy loaded families...Zach Wilson's uncle started JetBlue, another uncle started a publicly traded healthcare company. A Romney nephew was a star WR. Now, Richie Saunders is the heir to the Ore-Ida fortune.
BYU isn't necessarily likable, but they play a fun brand of basketball.
Dang Ashworth got the "night night" dropped on him. That sucks...
BYU got so lucky ending up in the big 12
Not the best :60 for this ref crew
Awful officiating is keeping Whisky in the game. Absolute garbage sequence.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 22, 2025, 08:17:33 PMNot the best :60 for this ref crew
The fans are there to see them, so they may feel it was a great 60 seconds.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 07:52:50 PMIsn't kind of pathetic we hope whisky to lose to feel better about our own shortcomings ?
Yep. But then again the Badgers do the same with us.
Wake the F up BYU.
Refs still firmly protecting UW and accepting any and all Bucky flops. Hilarious
What the rule on kicking out taking a triple?
It's amazing how many push offs Tonje gets away with.
BYU is fun to watch.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 22, 2025, 09:11:23 PMIt's amazing how many push offs Tonje gets away with.
Blackwell had two or three obvious ones on a single drive and it was only out of bounds to UW.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 22, 2025, 09:13:54 PMBYU is fun to watch.
Yeah they move the ball well. A lot a movement on offense on like Marquette
Quote from: mugrad_89 on March 22, 2025, 09:11:23 PMIt's amazing how many push offs Tonje gets away with.
100%.
Should be an 18 pt lead for BYU.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 22, 2025, 09:15:37 PMYeah they move the ball well. A lot a movement on offense on like Marquette
They move the ball better and can shoot. I picked them to win and not just because I hate the Badgers.
BYU is sound as hell.
There was a minor lull in scoring in the mid first half of this game. I tossed a grenade on the over 154.5
Its about to hit now with 7 min left. Crazy game.
In terms of pace and action this is the most fun game of the tournament.
Don't want drama at the end though cause that would mean Badgers make a push
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 22, 2025, 09:19:22 PMBYU is sound as hell.
There was a minor lull in scoring in the mid first half of this game. I tossed a grenade on the over 154.5
Its about to hit now with 7 min left. Crazy game.
They're a lot of fun. Sound inside and out. Good outside shooting but multiple guys that can put it on the deck. Not to mention Keita is beefy inside
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 22, 2025, 09:26:40 PMIn terms of pace and action this is the most fun game of the tournament.
Don't want drama at the end though cause that would mean Badgers make a push
You're going to get drama. Refs do not want UW's road to end
Give me a break
Wow.
What absolute garbage.
Maybe it's the right call by the book, but that is a truly insane rule/call.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 22, 2025, 07:51:42 PMOfficials doing everything they can to keep Bucky afloat, and Bucky routinely saying no thanks
Won't matter. BYU is significantly better than UW.
Such bs. Such a Klesmit move. He's pulled that crap at end of games before.
Ref 1: I'm going to give a kid a ridiculous T for pointing at the jumbotron.
Ref 2: Hold my beer.
Honestly with the stupidity of the rules I'm ok with the F1 even if its stupid,
But to throw him out for that is insane. Like what are we doing
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 22, 2025, 09:33:17 PMHonestly with the stupidity of the rules I'm ok with the F1 even if its stupid,
But to throw him out for that is insane. Like what are we doing
I didn't see the play until after hearing it was an F2. I was expecting something faaaar worse.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 22, 2025, 09:33:17 PMHonestly with the stupidity of the rules I'm ok with the F1 even if its stupid,
But to throw him out for that is insane. Like what are we doing
Calling it the Brad Davison rule
JFC BYU.
Sweet Jesus!!
Tonje gets such an absurd whistle
Absolute clown show officiating. This game should not be close
BYU gonna choke this away
You have gotta be shitting me!!!
Massive choke job by BYU.
What we hope the premiere Wisconsin program loses
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 22, 2025, 09:39:54 PMTonje gets such an absurd whistle
The same arm hook every damn time on his drives.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 22, 2025, 09:40:07 PMAbsolute clown show officiating. This game should not be close
Did Tonje not tackle the screener?
Yup. It got dramatic.
Unreal
I'm not sure how, but this game is going to end on a Tonje And-1
Can you just grab a guys jersey?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 22, 2025, 09:40:32 PMBYU gonna choke this away
Been leading the entire game. Crazy.
Demin has got to stop shooting my god
Incredible choke job.
They leave it in #30s hands?!?!?!?
No saunders or Knell?!?/!?!
The bozo who literally doesn't shoot and chose 30 as his number?!?!??!
Just intentionally foul Tonje so he can't grift a win
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 22, 2025, 09:46:50 PMIncredible choke job.
BYU needed to put the brakes on.
Well, he finally didn't get bailed out.
Phew
That's a fitting end. Tonje's face looking for another foul lmao. Didn't he have enough this year?
Wow Keita might be my new fav player.
Ready to fight badgers post victory
Enjoy the G League Tonje
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 22, 2025, 09:48:09 PMThat's a fitting end. Tonje's face looking for another foul lmao. Didn't he have enough this year?
That was hilarious – first he flopped like he got shot for no reason, then started whining for a foul.
Great defense on Tonje. Especially not to foul him.
Whew. Ty, BYU.
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Tonje didnt get the baiting calls he was getting all game
Quote from: BM1090 on March 22, 2025, 09:30:57 PMMaybe it's the right call by the book, but that is a truly insane rule/call.
It takes some serious imagination to make that correct by the book. I've seen far more egregious ones deemed "incidental" this season.
That was just a terrible call.
Glad it didn't matter.
Quote from: forgetful on March 22, 2025, 09:51:35 PMIt takes some serious imagination to make that correct by the book. I've seen far more egregious ones deemed "incidental" this season.
That was just a terrible call.
Glad it didn't matter.
The truth is the officiating sucked and it was mostly against BYU. Regardless if they choked in the last 5 mins.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 22, 2025, 09:49:27 PMWow Keita might be my new fav player.
Ready to fight badgers post victory
We agree Gilmore definitely dropped a slur this game, right?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 22, 2025, 09:49:27 PMWow Keita might be my new fav player.
Ready to fight badgers post victory
He was waving goodbye at their fans, right?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 09:55:09 PMHe was waving goodbye at their fans, right?
I assumed one of their players. It was a pretty chippy game.
https://x.com/JessicaBRiedl/status/1903640177148346682?t=Mzf82v4U3MPNIoRjE2_k-A&s=19
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 22, 2025, 09:55:45 PMI assumed one of their players. It was a pretty chippy game.
Yeah, it wasn't clear who it was directed to
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 09:55:09 PMHe was waving goodbye at their fans, right?
He was getting into it with Gilmore. And not the first time this game.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 22, 2025, 09:56:25 PMhttps://x.com/JessicaBRiedl/status/1903640177148346682?t=Mzf82v4U3MPNIoRjE2_k-A&s=19
From what I've been reading the last two days, I thought this only happened to Shaka. 👀
Must be a state of Wisconsin thing.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 22, 2025, 09:56:47 PMHe was getting into it with Gilmore. And not the first time this game.
Yeah, I was surprised Gilmore didn't retaliate any after his and 1
Houston apparently has never been pressed
Wow. They could have called that an intentional foul on Houston.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 22, 2025, 09:59:02 PMHouston apparently has never been pressed
By all accounts Muggsy Bogues couldn't be pressed btw. :)
Quote from: tower912 on March 22, 2025, 09:58:34 PMMust be a state of Wisconsin thing.
There's been more than our share of spectacular losses we've suffered in this state. If there's a bad way to lose a big game, it will happen to a WI team. Thankfully that's meant the Badgers sometimes. But too often to my teams.
No idea what Battle was doing there.
Houston's defense is so fun
I don't get why that happens so ofteen. guys have open looks to at least try to try/win. And don't do it only to panic right after.
Shoot the ball bro
If we have nothing else we have schadenfreude
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 22, 2025, 10:09:52 PMIf we have nothing else we have schadenfreude
I would say relief but the semi joy will come when Weasel fans complain about their draw again.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 22, 2025, 06:33:43 PMMight be time to cue up the Buzz's Bunch video.
They did a package about him in the pregame.
Did you know he's a, "stats guy?" who LOVES numbers.
Always find it interesting when two P5 programs haven't played each other in forever, especially when their states border each other. Illinois and Kentucky haven't played one another since 1984. Seems wild they haven't played each other in a MTE or scheduled non-conference game since then.
As far as who to root for now, it's super difficult. This is a very chalky tourney. Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind seeing Duke win it. Maluach is impossible not to like. Wish we had him.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 22, 2025, 10:54:08 PMAs far as who to root for now, it's super difficult. This is a very chalky tourney. Call me crazy but I wouldn't mind seeing Duke win it. Maluach is impossible not to like. Wish we had him.
Thought the same. Don't really have a rooting interest except Uconn making some noise
Quote from: Dish on March 22, 2025, 10:36:44 PMAlways find it interesting when two P5 programs haven't played each other in forever, especially when their states border each other. Illinois and Kentucky haven't played one another since 1984. Seems wild they haven't played each other in a MTE or scheduled non-conference game since then.
Yesteday at the Ole Miss vs. UNC game the scoreboard made a note of the fact that those teams had only ever matched up 2 prior times in their history. The last being March of 1926. Those states obviously don't border each other, but nothing between those two teams for 99 years is wild.
It was also the first time UNC played in Wisconsin since 1986. The Marquette game some here remember. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L_lGTpDRclU
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 22, 2025, 04:30:32 PMYes, Arkansas could match their size, athleticism, and physical style. St. John's poor shooting caught up with them once their strengths were matched.
Late to the game here, but +1 and just came to say - woah, Pitino really dislikes RJ Luis, huh?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 22, 2025, 10:00:29 PMBy all accounts Muggsy Bogues couldn't be pressed btw. :)
Tony Miller is the all-time 1-man press break.
Quote from: forgetful on March 22, 2025, 11:49:09 PMTony Miller is the all-time 1-man press break.
Especially when he had big Mac to throw the ball into and then receive the ball back in motion.
Its going to be really funny when some school pays John Blackwell to enter the portal. Gonna have my popcorn ready just in case.
This whole BYU team is basically back next year and they're adding the #1 recruit AJ Dybantsa.
Fun team!
Purdue playing in Indy is interesting. I never thought they could get back to the S16 this year. I tip my cap to Painter regardless of their draw. Oh...and Smith, T-K-R, and Loyer will all be back. Plus their center that was injured.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 23, 2025, 09:09:22 AMIts going to be really funny when some school pays John Blackwell to enter the portal. Gonna have my popcorn ready just in case.
He looked extremely unhappy after the game.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 23, 2025, 09:09:22 AMIts going to be really funny when some school pays John Blackwell to enter the portal. Gonna have my popcorn ready just in case.
Gard is becoming very dependent on the portal. Not sure if they have someone to step in and be a scorer.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2025, 09:34:37 AMThis whole BYU is basically back next year and they're adding the #1 recruit AJ Dybantsa.
Fun team!
With Dybantso reportedly receiving millions of dollars, how does BYU keep the returning players happy without breaking the bank?
Quote from: wiscwarrior on March 23, 2025, 10:44:56 AMWith Dybantso reportedly receiving millions of dollars, how does BYU keep the returning players happy without breaking the bank?
They allegedly have a large NIL bucket. They'll be fine
Quote from: wiscwarrior on March 23, 2025, 10:44:56 AMWith Dybantso reportedly receiving millions of dollars, how does BYU keep the returning players happy without breaking the bank?
https://x.com/MedcalfByESPN/status/1903648362789810374?t=AbO5q6ybCnJZzCxK78_lJA&s=19
Solo ball literally translates to one testicle
The Mormon church is loaded. Just as one small piece of the pie, they own and operate a 300,000 acre ranch and orange groves in Florida. The property alone has to be worth something that starts with a "b."
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 23, 2025, 11:06:01 AMSolo ball literally translates to one testicle
That's one more than UW's Klesmit has now.
Solo ball with 3 wide open misses. Against us he looked like a poor man's Curry.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 23, 2025, 11:18:20 AMSolo ball with 3 wide open misses. Against us he looked like a poor man's Curry.
Solo ball literally translates to one testicle
UCONN should be up by about 8. Wide open misses. If they start hitting a few it could get interesting. Their h-c defense has been very solid.
UConn rocks man.
They are up for any challenge. They are the model.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 23, 2025, 11:43:57 AMUConn rocks man.
They are up for any challenge. They are the model.
Too many transfers for them to be the model
Absolutely brutal miss by Diarra. WTF?
UConn playing tough against the Gator's size
WTH was Mahaney thinking? A driving left handed 6 foot finger roll? You're not James Harden, pass the rock.
Pretty impressive half from UCONN. Ball has to hit some shots though.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 23, 2025, 12:01:15 PMPretty impressive half from UCONN. Ball has to hit some shots though.
This string of posts is art.
Dumb foul by Karaban.
It's incredible UCONN has a shot with Ball, Karaban, and McNeely shooting 3-19 from distance.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2025, 10:48:41 AMThey allegedly have a large NIL bucket. They'll be fine
They have five billionaire donors who live within 20 minutes of campus, and that doesn't include the owner of the Jazz wbo cannot donate to basketball NIL (anything assisting in recruitment of prospects) under thr NBA CBA.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 23, 2025, 12:51:24 PMThey have five billionaire donors who live within 20 minutes of campus, and that doesn't include the owner of the Jazz wbo cannot donate to basketball NIL (anything assisting in recruitment of prospects) under thr NBA CBA.
I think they have a very good head coach. The defense is an Achilles heel but for 38 minutes last night, the offense got whatever it wanted, so even when it felt like Wisky might make a run, it didn't matter. Obviously, the final 1:55 wasn't good but that's a larger college hoops issue, imo.
Wow. What a sequence. I hope I'm wrong but I don't think UCONN can hold on without making 3-5 threes down the stretch.
Not sure about that call.
You could see it coming.
Wtf was that Karaban? Uconn losing poise just like us
Karaban with 2 dumb plays: didn't go straight to the hoop and then missed wide open Johnson and turns it over instead.
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UConn is trending down
Guess we aren't the only team that misses open 3s and can't get vital rebounds
Quote from: warriors141 on March 23, 2025, 01:19:48 PMGuess we aren't the only team that misses open 3s and can't get vital rebounds
Typically don't see that from teams at all in college basketball
UCONN had this game, but it was brick city combined with Karaban's boneheadedness. I could see Florida rolling now. Clayton has a sweet J. Sorta Mahmoud-Abdul-Raufish?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 23, 2025, 12:47:49 PMIt's incredible UCONN has a shot with Ball, Karaban, and McNeely shooting 3-19 from distance.
Hurley can't coach offense.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2025, 01:19:11 PMUConn is trending down
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Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2025, 01:25:32 PMHurley can't coach offense.
I get what you are doing but it's dumb...2 national champs and almost beat one of the favorites. Shakas best result is beating a 10 seed with one of the best pgs in program history
Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2025, 01:25:32 PMHurley can't coach offense.
Would've liked to see McNeeley mix in some skyhooks. Boneyard has to be apoplectic right now. Win a title and can't make the second weekend the following year. Couple that with St. John's passing them, might be time to put Hurley on the clock
Karaban has regressed big time. No way he's an nba player. Well big least finally
Put out of its misery by the big guys
Misery is universal.
Quote from: warriors141 on March 23, 2025, 01:27:53 PMI get what you are doing but it's dumb...2 national champs and almost beat one of the favorites. Shakas best result is beating a 10 seed with one of the best pgs in program history
Losing a one-possession game to a 1 seed is pretty much the exact same thing as losing a three-possession game to a 10 seed, and don't let anyone tell you differently.
When is last time big east with not a team in the sweet 16? Hopefully this conference trends up next year
I get it. Defend coaches for other teams, criticize Shaka. For similar results this season.
Quote from: warriors141 on March 23, 2025, 01:36:20 PMWhen is last time big east with not a team in the sweet 16? Hopefully this conference trends up next year
Should have been St. John's but they laid the ultimate egg.
McNeely is the type of freshman Shaka needs to recruit if he shuns the portal
Most chalky tournament ever?
There's no one to root for.
BYU?
SMC?
Like he did with Knueppel?
Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2025, 01:37:15 PMI get it. Defend coaches for other teams, criticize Shaka. For similar results this season.
UConn and mu's tournament outcomes the last four years could not be anymore opposite than each other.
Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2025, 01:37:15 PMI get it. Defend coaches for other teams, criticize Shaka. For similar results this season.
Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2025, 01:37:15 PMCrazy comment
We will never get the recruits Uconn gets. they get the high 4s and 5s. Kids want to go there and transfer there which is understandable after 2 championships.
Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2025, 01:42:31 PMLike he did with Knueppel?
Knueppel would have put Chase on the bench, and Shaka doesn't recruit over players, so obviously Shaka didn't recruit him.
The teams still playing have something in common.
Players with good fundamentals. Playing under control and maintaining composure.
UCONN played a great game. They lost composure a bit down the stretch. Florida didn't.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2025, 01:55:41 PMKnueppel would have put Chase on the bench, and Shaka doesn't recruit over players, so obviously Shaka didn't recruit him.
Shaka recruited him heavily. He went to Duke. Probably because he didn't want to come off the bench. ;D
Gotta be able to close the deal
Scheyer doesn't auto bench Flagg with 2 fouls when Duke is up 1. Now lead by 17.
Drew didn't bench Edgecombe or Omier. Didn't matter but shows auto bench isn't necessary all the time
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 23, 2025, 03:23:54 PMScheyer doesn't auto bench Flagg with 2 fouls when Duke is up 1. Now lead by 17.
Drew didn't bench Edgecombe or Omier. Didn't matter but shows auto bench isn't necessary all the time
If Procter drills triples, I can't see Duke losing. And he's been on a tear. They have so many weapons.
So much for Illinois making a deep run.
Colorado St. off to a strong start.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 23, 2025, 06:25:51 PMColorado St. off to a strong start.
And playing with some 5th year transfers - imagine that.
I didn't realize MU would have had to play the last game of the weekend. It's starting way too late. Probably a good thing they lost the first game.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 23, 2025, 07:35:38 PMAnd playing with some 5th year transfers - imagine that.
No COVID seniors in the portal anymore.
Nice to see a dad supporting his coach son.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 23, 2025, 07:37:28 PMI didn't realize MU would have had to play the last game of the weekend. It's starting way too late. Probably a good thing they lost the first game.
Incorrect.
Ram-tough.
Wow. If you're Maryland do you just give it to Gillespie?
Maryland knew they had a foul to give, right?
Does Hummel know Maryland isn't going length of the floor?
Wow, just wow.
Terp tougher
Big Ten. Stones
That's a heck of a shot.
Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2025, 08:16:14 PMTerp tougher
Many Scoopers disparaged our 🐢 🐢 🐢 population.
Haven't had many this tourney
But that as a fun game and finish
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 23, 2025, 08:18:39 PMHaven't had many this tourney
But that as a fun game and finish
No doubt. Sometimes you just have to tip your cap.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 23, 2025, 08:17:49 PMMany Scoopers disparaged our 🐢 🐢 🐢 population.
Muggsy has a point so this is for him.
(https://f4.bcbits.com/img/0016705928_25.jpg)
Queen 100% traveled.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 23, 2025, 08:16:46 PMThat's a heck of a shot.
Anthony Bourdain didn't travel as much as Queen did on that shot
I'd have to see the replay.
Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2025, 07:41:23 PMNo COVID seniors in the portal anymore.
93 6th/5th year seniors started for teams in this years NCAA tournament - just under 30% of all starters.
New Mexico has lost focus.
Tre Holloman = Avon Barksdale
New Mex really crapped the bed to close this half.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 23, 2025, 08:47:06 PMNew Mex really crapped the bed to close this half.
Or.....MSU ratcheted up their intensity.
Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2025, 08:48:30 PMOr.....MSU ratcheted up their intensity.
Or, they lost focus. Maybe they were downing sopapillas during a time-out? That can't happen.
I get that Gilbert is injured but NOT a good performance from Iowa St.
Queen shot felt like ole Quincy Pondexter
Michigan State's free throw defense looks a lot better than ours.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 23, 2025, 08:54:28 PMOr, they lost focus. Maybe they were downing sopapillas during a time-out? That can't happen.
Nah, I have seen this show from MSU so many times over the years.
Quote from: the eagle on March 23, 2025, 09:08:19 PMQueen shot felt like ole Quincy Pondexter
Wow that game has been referenced in years. My 14 year old self had a breakdown after that one
Quote from: Dish on March 23, 2025, 08:22:10 PMQueen 100% traveled.
I thought he did but i slowed it down and I'm not sure. The 2 steps don't start until the ball is possessed. And the ball was still coming up into his grip for almost that whole first step.
I think it was a travel, but it's really close. Long gather step but that doesn't make it illegal.
Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2025, 09:19:50 PMNah, I have seen this show from MSU so many times over the years.
Dent has not been good Tower.
No call on MSU tackle but ticky tack call against NM.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 23, 2025, 09:41:21 PMNo call on MSU tackle but ticky tack call against NM.
The Lobos are not getting a good whistle right now. Junior Joseph's 4th is a big problem.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on March 23, 2025, 09:41:21 PMNo call on MSU tackle but ticky tack call against NM.
Another Michigan Stater not being punished for assault.
Depends on who you are rooting for.
Hobos suck lol eh ?
Quote from: tower912 on March 23, 2025, 09:44:54 PMDepends on who you are rooting for.
Neither, but I confess to schadenfreude. It was fun to see
two Pitinos having to watch NM go down.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 23, 2025, 09:43:58 PMThe Lobos are not getting a good whistle right now. Junior Joseph's 4th is a big problem.
I really feel like the higher seed has really gotten a very favorable whistle in most games I've watched.
The notable exception: MU vs. NM.
St, Johns didn't exactly get a favorable whistle either as the 2-seed.
Quote from: forgetful on March 23, 2025, 11:09:02 PMI really feel like the higher seed has really gotten a very favorable whistle in most games I've watched.
The notable exception: MU vs. NM.
St, Johns didn't exactly get a favorable whistle either as the 2-seed.
They foul the crap out of every team they play.
Now we know what a P4 only tournament looks like.
P3 and Duke.
Queen did travel.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 23, 2025, 01:33:55 PMLosing a one-possession game to a 1 seed is pretty much the exact same thing as losing a three-possession game to a 10 seed, and don't let anyone tell you differently.
The plane ride home feels the same.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Gmvx8FKaMAAHtAj?format=jpg&name=small)
Quote from: tower912 on March 24, 2025, 06:42:58 AMNow we know what a P4 only tournament looks like.
Sweet 16 down to final four conferences (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/2025-march-madness-scores-takeaways-sweet-16-down-to-final-four-conferences-as-sec-makes-history/live/) - CBS Sports - March 23, 2025
(https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/THcAAOSwsFJeF6he/s-l1600.webp)
I don't like a Sweet 16 with only P4 teams and no Cinderella teams. I have no rooting interest in it now, tbh.
When Sparty loses, I am done watching.
It wouldn't take any huge upsets to get 5 or 6 SEC teams in the Elite 8 and 3 or 4 in the Final Four.
It's inevitable with these giant conferences. I mean if you go back in recent history you have Houston and BYU from non power conferences.
Quote from: tower912 on March 24, 2025, 09:01:59 AMWhen Sparty loses, I am done watching.
A MSU/UM Elite 8 match up would be wild! Especially considering UM was bailed out by the refs against UCSD. MSU fans would be having flashbacks to the hockey tourney last year
Quote from: Warriors4ever on March 24, 2025, 08:58:45 AMI don't like a Sweet 16 with only P4 teams and no Cinderella teams. I have no rooting interest in it now, tbh.
Time is better spent looking at portal and coaching rumors online than watching the games anyway.
Feel Hurley is spot on about the refs. Sweet 16 has 3 conferences and Duke in it. If you are not from these 3 conferences you get what a joke college basketball has become this year. Too bad for the USA and America.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 24, 2025, 02:44:09 PMFeel Hurley is spot on about the refs. Sweet 16 has 3 conferences and Duke in it. If you are not from these 3 conferences you get what a joke college basketball has become this year. Too bad for the USA and America.
No.
Quote from: tower912 on March 24, 2025, 09:01:59 AMWhen Sparty loses, I am done watching.
I'm actually a little surprised by this, tower. You don't enjoy watching high-level, championship-pursuit sports just because?
No compelling story line this year.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 24, 2025, 02:44:09 PMFeel Hurley is spot on about the refs. Sweet 16 has 3 conferences and Duke in it. If you are not from these 3 conferences you get what a joke college basketball has become this year. Too bad for the USA and America.
As a conspiracy theorist, I'm willing to listen. I watched the UCONN game and honestly don't know what Hurley was talking about. It seemed they had a great chance to win and kind of choked it away. They failed to grab defensive rebounds multiple times on missed free throws.
Quote from: tower912 on March 24, 2025, 02:54:58 PMNo compelling story line this year.
Big 18 is gunning for their first title since Clinton was president
I think the likelihood of having great contests and games that come right down to the wire goes way up when it's all high level teams who "should" be there as opposed to a Cinderella team who had a hot weekend. So, if nothing else, I'm down for watching some good college basketball next weekend.
Last big ? Coach not named Tom Izzo to win an NCAA men's basketball championship is Steve Fisher. So, I guess it would be a big deal to that downtrodden basketball conference.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 24, 2025, 02:58:55 PMBig 18 is gunning for their first title since Clinton was president
And third since Reagan left office.
Though since they like to claim Nebraska's football history they probably claim Maryland and UCLA's titles
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 24, 2025, 03:10:04 PMAnd third since Reagan left office.
Though since they like to claim Nebraska's football history they probably claim Maryland and UCLA's titles
The TV network does
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 24, 2025, 02:44:09 PMFeel Hurley is spot on about the refs. Sweet 16 has 3 conferences and Duke in it. If you are not from these 3 conferences you get what a joke college basketball has become this year. Too bad for the USA and America.
Complain or adapt.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 24, 2025, 02:44:09 PMFeel Hurley is spot on about the refs. Sweet 16 has 3 conferences and Duke in it. If you are not from these 3 conferences you get what a joke college basketball has become this year. Too bad for the USA and America.
I was at the Michigan/UCSD game and it was evident to everyone they refs swallowed their whistles after UCSD took the lead and favored UM. Three brutal non calls benefitting Michigan. They tried their best to help Bucky too against BYU.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 24, 2025, 07:11:38 PMI was at the Michigan/UCSD game and it was evident to everyone they refs swallowed their whistles after UCSD took the lead and favored UM. Three brutal non calls benefitting Michigan. They tried their best to help Bucky too against BYU.
I will agree Billy that the BYU/UW game was officiated very poorly, and in the Weasels' favor. There were an insane amount of phantom fouls on BYU. In many ways it was criminal. Fortunately the better team still found a way to prevail.
As for the Tritons and UCSD? I trust your judgment.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 24, 2025, 07:11:38 PMI was at the Michigan/UCSD game and it was evident to everyone they refs swallowed their whistles after UCSD took the lead and favored UM. Three brutal non calls benefitting Michigan. They tried their best to help Bucky too against BYU.
I couldn't believe the whistle in that game. Only thing that saved the Wolverines
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 24, 2025, 10:44:44 PMI couldn't believe the whistle in that game. Only thing that saved the Wolverines
Or, once UCSD took the lead, the lack of a whistle. Goldin was blatantly over the back on a rebound and then UCSD had a runout where they were fouled twice. And the UM fans around me were celebrating like they won the title. I guess when your actual alma mater is Washtenaw County Community College you do that.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 25, 2025, 08:49:06 AMOr, once UCSD took the lead, the lack of a whistle. Goldin was blatantly over the back on a rebound and then UCSD had a runout where they were fouled twice. And the UM fans around me were celebrating like they won the title. I guess when your actual alma mater is Washtenaw County Community College you do that.
I'm sure all Marquette fans in attendance were sitting quietly, stone faced when MU pulled a win out of their ass against Davidson. They won a close NCAA Tournament game. Of course their fans are celebrating. And they continued celebrating all the way to Atlanta.
Stay classy, UConn
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-basketball/uconn-huskies-dan-hurley-viral-clip-threaten.html
Fresh off their 2025 NCAA tournament after upsetting Central Connecticut in the NEC Tournament final.
Saint Francis University Announces Move from NCAA Division I Athletics to Division III Athletics
https://www.francis.edu/blog/saint-francis-university-announces-move-ncaa-division-i-athletics-division-iii-athletics
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2025, 10:44:31 AMStay classy, UConn
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-basketball/uconn-huskies-dan-hurley-viral-clip-threaten.html
This whole thing is whacked.
Who are your S16 picks? Could BYU punk Bama?
Nm.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 26, 2025, 07:33:01 PMWho are your S16 picks? Could BYU punk Bama?
Pulling for the Big Ten and yes
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2025, 07:42:06 PMPulling for the Big Ten and yes
Why are you pulling for the B18? Are you alright? I know it's been a tough 5 days.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 26, 2025, 07:45:01 PMWhy are you pulling for the B18? Are you alright? I know it's been a tough 5 days.
Would like to see them end their drought and hoist a banner
I hereby claim the NCAA title for Marquette!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 26, 2025, 08:00:48 PMWould like to see them end their drought and hoist a banner
Is this your usual sarcasm? Truthfully it's tough to root for any of these teams.
I guess BYU and TTU would be my top 2 but it's probably a 2% chance they could win it. That means we should probably root for Duke.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 26, 2025, 08:07:53 PMIs this your usual sarcasm? Truthfully it's tough to root for any of these teams.
Took you long enough to figure it out. ;D
Is this year a fluke or is this article spot on?
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/march-madness-cinderella-power-conferences-20250326.html
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 27, 2025, 07:05:56 AMIs this year a fluke or is this article spot on?
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/march-madness-cinderella-power-conferences-20250326.html
Every year, something happens in the tournament that pundits declare the new normal.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 27, 2025, 07:05:56 AMIs this year a fluke or is this article spot on?
https://www.inquirer.com/college-sports/march-madness-cinderella-power-conferences-20250326.html
One year does not make a trend.
I felt like this year is a fluke. With the final year of 5th year COVID players and the settlement who knows what 2025-26 will bring. Things will be different but who knows how?
As far as Duke is concerned could they just roll through this tournament? They haven't been in close games. Houston is an interesting team and may be their biggest challenge. The fact that they lost one game the entire season in the B12 (in overtime) is pretty remarkable. I've decided I will not root for any SEC or B18 team although Barnes seems like a good dude and I respect Painter. Where will Beard eventually wind up? I can't see him staying in Mississippi.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 07:59:25 AMAs far as Duke is concerned could they just roll through this tournament? They haven't been in close games. Houston is an interesting team and may be their biggest challenge. The fact that they lost one game the entire season in the B12 (in overtime) is pretty remarkable. I've decided I will not root for any SEC or B18 team although Barnes seems like a good dude and I respect Painter. Where will Beard eventually wind up? I can't see him staying in Mississippi.
Beard's dream job is Wisconsin. His parents met there
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 08:28:15 AMBeard's dream job is Wisconsin. His parents met there
If you're Nova wouldn't you want him in lieu of Willard?
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 27, 2025, 07:45:11 AMOne year does not make a trend.
I felt like this year is a fluke. With the final year of 5th year COVID players and the settlement who knows what 2025-26 will bring. Things will be different but who knows how?
As Jay Bilas noted in a recent article on ESPN.com https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/44411062/march-madness-2025-ncaa-men-tournament-sweet-16-final-four (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/44411062/march-madness-2025-ncaa-men-tournament-sweet-16-final-four)...
"And yes, the Sweet 16 is set, made up of teams from four conferences, all major conferences. There are seven SEC teams, four each from the Big Ten and Big 12, and one from the ACC. All four No. 1 seeds, three No. 2 seeds, two No. 3 seeds and three No. 4 seeds crowd the field.
But to all that discourse, I say: Nonsense. One data point does not make a trend.
We have had chalky NCAA tournaments before, well before NIL and the portal. Two years ago, Houston was in the American Athletic Conference, BYU was in the West Coast Conference and Arizona was in the Pac-12. Without recent expansion, we would be talking about 16 teams from seven conferences. If Maryland's Derik Queen had missed his buzzer shot, we'd be talking about eight, including a mid-major.
The last time Ole Miss was in the Sweet 16 was 2001, and the last time BYU was in the Sweet 16 was 2011. Drake, McNeese, New Mexico, Colorado State, Saint Mary's and Gonzaga all won first-round games. UC San Diego, a trendy upset pick, lost to Michigan by one possession, and Colorado State was that buzzer shot away from a Sweet 16 appearance."
So, in addition the MU Fan in CT's comment about COVID 5th years, larger P4 conferences play a role in this year's results.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 08:36:24 AMIf you're Nova wouldn't you want him in lieu of Willard?
No. Willard looks like a penis
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 26, 2025, 07:33:01 PMWho are your S16 picks? Could BYU punk Bama?
considering Bama's lack of defense, absolutely.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 08:36:24 AMIf you're Nova wouldn't you want him in lieu of Willard?
considering his legal issues that got him fired at Texas I doubt Nova would even entertain the possibility. Indiana's President told the AD Beard was a non-starter.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 27, 2025, 09:48:52 AMconsidering Bama's lack of defense, absolutely.
Alabama is 29th in D rating, BY is 72nd...
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 10:45:56 AMAlabama is 29th in D rating, BY is 72nd...
163 for Bama per the rating below. The Bama defense has allowed at least 80 points in seven of their last 10 games, including at least 90 points in four and 100 twice, per to KenPom.
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/defensive-efficiency
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 27, 2025, 10:58:48 AM163 for Bama per the rating below. The Bama defense has allowed at least 80 points in seven of their last 10 games, including at least 90 points in four and 100 twice, per to KenPom.
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/stat/defensive-efficiency
Not sure what "per to KenPom" means, but here is KenPom's ratings themselves.
https://kenpom.com/index.php
Like I said, Alabama 29th in D rating, BYU 72d...
If you want Torvik, it's Bama 27th in defensive efficiency while BYU is 56th.
The Athletic is touting a new "super-computer-based" rating metric called GPA -Grading Prospect Assessment - and Kon Knueppel, who is ranked 6th on the publication's "big board" of draft prospects, didn't score very well.
He can really shoot the ball, but he's a 6-foot-6 wing who plays like he's 6-foot-2. I think teams are hoping he's Austin Reaves, but I'm not sure he's Luke Kennard. GPA: 2.9 to 2.4
Ouch. He is a great college player. Maybe the computer will be wrong.
For context, Flagg was at 3.4 to 4.0, Queen was at 3.1 to 3.6 and Clayton was at 2.8 to 2.9.
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2025, 12:18:07 PMThe Athletic is touting a new "super-computer-based" rating metric called GPA -Grading Prospect Assessment - and Kon Knueppel, who is ranked 6th on the publication's "big board" of draft prospects, didn't score very well.
He can really shoot the ball, but he's a 6-foot-6 wing who plays like he's 6-foot-2. I think teams are hoping he's Austin Reaves, but I'm not sure he's Luke Kennard. GPA: 2.9 to 2.4
Ouch. He is a great college player. Maybe the computer will be wrong.
For context, Flagg was at 3.4 to 4.0, Queen was at 3.1 to 3.6 and Clayton was at 2.8 to 2.9.
So Clayton doesn't have the grades for Madison?
I'd take my chances with Kon. He's very good and a lot tougher than I thought he'd be.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 03:13:38 PMI'd take my chances with Kon. He's very good and a lot tougher than I thought he'd be.
I'm still not sold on him as a first round pick, much less a lottery pick. He's not nearly as quick as Reeves and I don't see him dynamic enough as a 2 guard. His stats and profile if he was a top 150 recruit who just finished his freshman year at Wake Forest doesn't get him a top 15 mock draft rating, I think his HS rank and being on a dominant Duke team is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Honestly, projecting him as a pro reminds me a lot of Ellenson. Very good player, but just doesn't seem to fit as dynamic/explosive enough as a scorer at the NBA level for his size/position.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 27, 2025, 03:41:42 PMI'm still not sold on him as a first round pick, much less a lottery pick. He's not nearly as quick as Reeves and I don't see him dynamic enough as a 2 guard. His stats and profile if he was a top 150 recruit who just finished his freshman year at Wake Forest doesn't get him a top 15 mock draft rating, I think his HS rank and being on a dominant Duke team is doing a lot of heavy lifting.
Honestly, projecting him as a pro reminds me a lot of Ellenson. Very good player, but just doesn't seem to fit as dynamic/explosive enough as a scorer at the NBA level for his size/position.
I don't know. A 6'7" freshman guard who averages 14, 4, 3, and a steal while shooting dang near 50/40/90?
Flagg goes out in the first round of the ACC Tournament and he goes for 28/5/8, then 17/4/3, then 18/8/3.
He reminds me much more of a European guard than a soft American guard. I think he's awesome and will be a long time contributor in the NBA.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 09:27:26 AMNo. Willard looks like a penis
Hurting Cronin's chances too I imagine.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 03:52:39 PMI don't know. A 6'7" freshman guard who averages 14, 4, 3, and a steal while shooting dang near 50/40/90?
Flagg goes out in the first round of the ACC Tournament and he goes for 28/5/8, then 17/4/3, then 18/8/3.
He reminds me much more of a European guard than a soft American guard. I think he's awesome and will be a long time contributor in the NBA.
Fair. But I guess to my point, look no further than Proctor. Also 6'6, actually shooting better than Kon on the year, only a year older (not like he's a 5th year senior), and also has the knock/question mark of explosiveness, playmaking, creating his shot at the next level. But he wasn't a highly touted McD AA coming into Duke, and he's a late second round pick.
If I had to guess, they both spend stretches in the G League next year (like Reed Sheppard) but both are contributing on a team 5 years from now.
Amusingly, Ive seen Corey Kispert as a comp for Kon a couple places. And that actually tracks on my opinion, he's been...fine, but putting up ok numbers on a bad team that scores a lot of points.
Quote from: mug644 on March 27, 2025, 09:18:09 AMAs Jay Bilas noted in a recent article on ESPN.com https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/44411062/march-madness-2025-ncaa-men-tournament-sweet-16-final-four (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/insider/story/_/id/44411062/march-madness-2025-ncaa-men-tournament-sweet-16-final-four)...
"And yes, the Sweet 16 is set, made up of teams from four conferences, all major conferences. There are seven SEC teams, four each from the Big Ten and Big 12, and one from the ACC. All four No. 1 seeds, three No. 2 seeds, two No. 3 seeds and three No. 4 seeds crowd the field.
But to all that discourse, I say: Nonsense. One data point does not make a trend.
We have had chalky NCAA tournaments before, well before NIL and the portal. Two years ago, Houston was in the American Athletic Conference, BYU was in the West Coast Conference and Arizona was in the Pac-12. Without recent expansion, we would be talking about 16 teams from seven conferences. If Maryland's Derik Queen had missed his buzzer shot, we'd be talking about eight, including a mid-major.
The last time Ole Miss was in the Sweet 16 was 2001, and the last time BYU was in the Sweet 16 was 2011. Drake, McNeese, New Mexico, Colorado State, Saint Mary's and Gonzaga all won first-round games. UC San Diego, a trendy upset pick, lost to Michigan by one possession, and Colorado State was that buzzer shot away from a Sweet 16 appearance."
So, in addition the MU Fan in CT's comment about COVID 5th years, larger P4 conferences play a role in this year's results.
Totally agree with Bilas. Any time something happens for a year, people freak out about the "trend." I'll believe this is the new normal if it happens another year or two.
I mean, Colorado State was within one great play by Queen (and, some say, an uncalled travel) of crashing the party.
Betting tonight, I've got BYU on the money line (because, Bama), and Florida covering (because, Willard drama). Anyone else?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 27, 2025, 05:38:28 PMBetting tonight, I've got BYU on the money line (because, Bama), and Florida covering (because, Willard drama). Anyone else?
No, I'm a Christian
Wow, this game could be fun
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 27, 2025, 06:18:46 PMWow, this game could be fun
Wow is correct! First to 100?
120 pt pace for both
I'm a bit concerned with Demin. He can be super erratic.
Mark Sears made a 15-footer from the baseline a couple minutes into the game - only the second mid-range basket so far in the tournament for Alabama.
I thought 3 point misses only bounced directly to the opponent when MU was on defense
Seaes going medieval early.
That's a lot of blood
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 27, 2025, 06:45:28 PMThat's a lot of blood
That looked brutal. Hopefully he's okay
Bama seems to have too many athletes for BYU.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 07:10:28 PMBama seems to have too many athletes for BYU.
BYU is chaste
Condon is a huge loss for Florida if he's out for extended time.
Joel Embiid is ruining basketball. Every time Queen gets the ball he just spazzes and somehow gets a whistle. This is brutal.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 07:16:46 PMJoel Embiid is ruining basketball. Every time Queen gets the ball he just spazzes and somehow gets a whistle. This is brutal.
Harden started this nonsense.
You can see how deep the Big Ten is. Maryland is just toying with Florida
Stop calling these ridiculous taunting techs.
Three straight terrible calls against BYU.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 07:33:55 PMThree straight terrible calls against BYU.
2 for sure.
Those long rebs are killing BYU.
I honestly thought BYU wasn't out of this game...until the behind the back drop pass for three. That was a dagger
Sears is on 🔥 🔥.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 27, 2025, 07:39:13 PMI honestly thought BYU wasn't out of this game...until the behind the back drop pass for three. That was a dagger
They're playing a tean that's much, much, better than their last opponent.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 07:40:57 PMThey're playing a tean that's much, much, better than their last opponent.
Hmmm
Nice little punch back fron BYU.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 07:39:57 PMSears is on 🔥 🔥.
Shooting-wise, he was similar to Kam - good history of making 3s but struggled much of this season. This performance hy Sears is the kind of big "hey look, he's back" we were hoping for from Kam.
I try to watch the Florida-Maryland game with Kevin Harlan announcing, but then Stan Van Gundy talks and I have to change that channel back to the commercials on the BYU-Bama game
Quote from: MU82 on March 27, 2025, 07:56:48 PMShooting-wise, he was similar to Kam - good history of making 3s but struggled much of this season. This performance hy Sears is the kind of big "hey look, he's back" we were hoping for from Kam.
No doubt. I'm completely dumbfounded by Kam's shooting this season. I think his usage and not being off the ball more contributed to his struggles, but it's not the entire story.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 27, 2025, 07:59:54 PMI try to watch the Florida-Maryland game with Kevin Harlan announcing, but then Stan Van Gundy talks and I have to change that channel back to the commercials on the BYU-Bama game
Both Stan and Kevin are great.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 11:01:26 AMNot sure what "per to KenPom" means, but here is KenPom's ratings themselves.
https://kenpom.com/index.php
Like I said, Alabama 29th in D rating, BYU 72d...
If you want Torvik, it's Bama 27th in defensive efficiency while BYU is 56th.
Yeah. The eye test is confirming the numbers here.
BYU isn't good defensively, but Bama has officially gone medieval.
I would castrate myself for MU to shoot just 1/4th of this one time.
97 pts with 7 minutes left?
Bama is what scoopers think mubb offense is when they see the post game shot quality chart.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 27, 2025, 08:09:52 PM97 pts with 7 minutes left?
With 22 triples. Sears I think is 9/14.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 08:11:37 PMWith 22 triples. Sears I think is 9/14.
Broke Jean Felix's school record set against us in 2006 with 10 (so far). That was a name I never wanted to hear again
Quote from: JWags85 on March 27, 2025, 04:16:34 PMFair. But I guess to my point, look no further than Proctor. Also 6'6, actually shooting better than Kon on the year, only a year older (not like he's a 5th year senior), and also has the knock/question mark of explosiveness, playmaking, creating his shot at the next level. But he wasn't a highly touted McD AA coming into Duke, and he's a late second round pick.
If I had to guess, they both spend stretches in the G League next year (like Reed Sheppard) but both are contributing on a team 5 years from now.
Amusingly, Ive seen Corey Kispert as a comp for Kon a couple places. And that actually tracks on my opinion, he's been...fine, but putting up ok numbers on a bad team that scores a lot of points.
Yeah I don't think Kon will be a starter from day 1. I think Kispert is a very good comparison. I personally think Kon has much higher potential defensively and to be a playmaker though.
This coulda been MU but all year long Muggs screwed us refusing to making the necessary animal sacrifices
BYU is on a 92 point pace and also getting blown out
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 27, 2025, 08:18:51 PMBYU is on a 92 point pace and also getting blown out
Nobody is beating Bama when they shoot over 45% on a ton of 3s. But they also won't do that every game.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 27, 2025, 08:16:58 PMThis coulda been MU but all year long Muggs screwed us refusing to making the necessary animal sacrifices
Stop projecting your frustrations on the animal kingdom.
The 🦣 🦣 🦣 will be back by 2028. Perhaps we should consider a new nickname.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 08:21:22 PMStop projecting your frustrations on the animal kingdom.
The 🦣 🦣 🦣 will be back by 2028. Perhaps we should consider a new nickname.
Good thing is the gators are devouring the turtles today
I love anytime a turtle is trampled
It's curtains for Maryland. Willard should apologize to the 🐢 🐢 🐢 🐢 population for him he handled everything.
Huh, that whole description by Jim Jackson about why the best recruit in the nation would go to BYU and nothing about what he'll learn in his classes
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 27, 2025, 08:27:10 PMGood thing is the gators are devouring the turtles today
I love anytime a turtle is trampled
🐢 🐢 🐢 defamation is uncalled for.
Turtles are being usurped.
Quote from: tower912 on March 27, 2025, 08:30:50 PMTurtles are being usurped.
Jonathan the 🐢 is usurping mortality Tower.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 27, 2025, 08:27:37 PMHuh, that whole description by Jim Jackson about why the best recruit in the nation would go to BYU and nothing about what he'll learn in his classes
Why should it?
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 27, 2025, 08:27:37 PMHuh, that whole description by Jim Jackson about why the best recruit in the nation would go to BYU and nothing about what he'll learn in his classes
Read up on how BYU conducts finals. Very different than our MU experience.
Not a great start for Duke.
Terrible start for Tex Tech!
Marquette's Ken Pom rating is better than UCONN's Creighton's and Arkansas' Ken Pom ratings
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 27, 2025, 09:50:14 PMMarquette's Ken Pom rating is better than UCONN's Creighton's and Arkansas' Ken Pom ratings
Hang a banner?
Duke fans don't sound thrilled with the foul calls.
Brutal finish of the half for Arizona.
Duke with 2 big 3's at the end of the half. But if Duke loses we have only 3 conferences left. Does that affect any potential ACC Big East Merger and What if anything is going on in this front
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 27, 2025, 10:04:31 PMDuke with 2 big 3's at the end of the half. But if Duke loses we have only 3 conferences left. Does that affect any potential ACC Big East Merger and What if anything is going on in this front
What are you suggesting?
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 27, 2025, 10:04:31 PMDuke with 2 big 3's at the end of the half. But if Duke loses we have only 3 conferences left. Does that affect any potential ACC Big East Merger and What if anything is going on in this front
Are you seriously asking whether the outcome of a single basketball game will affect a potential conference merger?
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 27, 2025, 10:04:31 PMDuke with 2 big 3's at the end of the half. But if Duke loses we have only 3 conferences left. Does that affect any potential ACC Big East Merger and What if anything is going on in this front
If Val is making decisions based on one single-elimination tournament, we are in trouble. Luckily for us, she's proven to be very good at her job.
How much did Zona pay Townsend?
Flagg is pretty good.
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on March 27, 2025, 08:11:32 PMBama is what scoopers think mubb offense is when they see the post game shot quality chart.
Well, Bama missed 26 three pointers tonight and Marquette missed 27 three pointers in our last Sweet 16 game.
I assume they makes were also similar.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 10:26:59 PMFlagg is pretty good.
There's HS players that are better.
Quote from: Jockey on March 27, 2025, 10:33:40 PMThere's HS players that are better.
Currently or ever?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 10:38:04 PMCurrently or ever?
Ask Wades. He thinks there's at least one Hs'er this year that is better than Flagg - maybe more.
Historically IT'S a slam dunk. Lew Alcindor was the King.
Quote from: Jockey on March 27, 2025, 10:47:22 PMAsk Wades. He thinks there's at least one Hs'er this year that is better than Flagg - maybe more.
Historically IT'S a slam dunk. Lew Alcindor was the King.
Moses? Lebron?
Caleb Love has to be the biggest enigma in tbe history of college hoops.
Quote from: Jockey on March 27, 2025, 10:47:22 PMAsk Wades. He thinks there's at least one Hs'er this year that is better than Flagg - maybe more.
Historically IT'S a slam dunk. Lew Alcindor was the King.
Don't have to ask me. Flagg was ranked 2nd behind Boozer in his own class until he reclassified. Then when Dybantsa reclassified into Boozer's class he was ranked first over Boozer.
Also read the articles multiple Scoopers shared with NBA scouts saying they'd take Dybantsa over Flagg or Stokes (and Stokes being second above Flagg).
Our Son played against Caleb Love in AAU Ball.
Caleb Love played on Bradley Beals AAU team who had mostly Division 1 players on their roster.
Love's team called off the press in the 2nd Half and only won by about 20.
Duke might want to stop fouling. Although Maluach was hosed on 2 calls.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 10:56:15 PMDon't have to ask me. Flagg was ranked 2nd behind Boozer in his own class until he reclassified. Then when Dybantsa reclassified into Boozer's class he was ranked first over Boozer.
Also read the articles multiple Scoopers shared with NBA scouts saying they'd take Dybantsa over Flagg or Stokes (and Stokes being second above Flagg).
Being ranked higher doesn't mean they will be better college players than Flagg.
Quote from: Jockey on March 27, 2025, 10:47:22 PMthere's at least one Hs'er this year that is better financed than Flagg
Fixed it for facts.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 11:05:40 PMBeing ranked higher doesn't mean they will be better college players than Flagg.
Don't ask the question if you won't like the answer.
This game has been poorly officiated. Terrible calls for both teams.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 11:12:11 PMDon't ask the question if you won't like the answer.
You didn't answer the question. HS "rankings" isn't exactly an exact science. That's like saying Darko Milicic is better than Carmelo, Bosh, and Wade.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 11:15:08 PMYou didn't answer the question. HS "rankings" isn't exactly an exact science. That's like saying Darko Milicic is better than Carmelo, Bosh, and Wade.
So you asked if there were current high schoolers that are better than Flagg, then say because they were ranked higher than Flagg it doesn't mean they'll be better college players. So ask your question 2 years from now when we do know if they are better college players.
Tex Tech coming back. Hopefully they get this one.
TT did not need to force up that 3
Missed 1 and 1.
If I'm TT I'm going to the rim. Cut it to 1. Ark is still in the 1 and 1
Jeesh. How on earth can you have a clock issue there?
Wow.
Win this in overtime Red Raiders!
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 11:29:53 PMWin this in overtime Red Raiders!
Wow you are being pretty vile towards the hog community.
Ty TTU.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 10:56:15 PMDon't have to ask me. Flagg was ranked 2nd behind Boozer in his own class until he reclassified. Then when Dybantsa reclassified into Boozer's class he was ranked first over Boozer.
Also read the articles multiple Scoopers shared with NBA scouts saying they'd take Dybantsa over Flagg or Stokes (and Stokes being second above Flagg).
I am looking forward to watching all of them in college next season. Because Flagg is effen great at every phase of basketball ... and if any of these guys are better, that'll be something to see.
I remember when Sam was really playing well for us his sophomore year, I said: "I've never seen one second of Joey, but he's really considered the better Hauser?"
And Scoopers answered with a recitation of their respective HS rankings, which theoretically showed that Joey was better.
wades, this is not me saying Boozer isn't better than Flagg or won't be better. I have no way
of knowing. But I am always a little skeptical of rankings.
What I do know for certain is that Cooper Flagg is a special college basketball player.
One of the big plays in the Texas Tech Arkansas game was over 1 minute left and after a 3 by Arkansas made it 72-66 TTU missed a 3 Arkansas Johnny Davis got the rebound and appeared to maybe looking for a foul but got tied up. Possession TTU.
The thing I appreciate about this tournament is that gradually the coaches who still wear suit jackets on the sidelines are losing. God is sending you a message guys.
Muggs- can't watch tonight. It's Lent. Please cheer for the Big Ten for me. Thanks
Beard, Izzo, Pearl, Oats, Golden and then on a lower level Cal and Willard (just unlikeable) make this Sweet 16 hard to find teams that are likable.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 28, 2025, 06:27:30 PMBeard, Izzo, Pearl, Oates and then on a lower level Cal and Willard (just unlikeable) make this Sweet 16 hard to find teams that are likable.
*Oats
Anyway, I wouldn't mind seeing the winner of tonight's Sampson v. Painter match-up winning it all. Rick Barnes would be pretty cool as well.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 28, 2025, 04:38:16 PMMuggs- can't watch tonight. It's Lent. Please cheer for the Big Ten for me. Thanks
I only cheer for Marquette, diminutive people, and darkness for those that deserve it.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 06:31:10 PM*Oats
Anyway, I wouldn't mind seeing the winner of tonight's Sampson v. Painter match-up winning it all. Rick Barnes would be pretty cool as well.
Thanks for the correction. Updating the spelling and adding Golden to that list.
Agreed on those 3. Pope seems likable too. And it'd be funny if he won it year 1 with a completely different system, especially since Kentucky fans didn't seem thrilled with the hire (or maybe confident is the better word, since Pope is one of theirs). May seems likable too.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 28, 2025, 06:36:43 PMThanks for the correction. Updating the spelling and adding Golden to that list.
Agreed on those 3. Pope seems likable too. And it'd be funny if he won it year 1 with a completely different system, especially since Kentucky fans didn't seem thrilled with the hire (or maybe confident is the better word, since Pope is one of theirs). May seems likable too.
Yeah its just hard for me to wish joy on either of those fanbases though. :)
Texas Tech wouldn't be bad either.
Ziegler and Lanier might wanna start getting their shots to actually make it to the rim
Kentucky maybe shoulda practiced and game planned this week
Ole Miss's Pedulla is a perfect example of the type of "true jump shooter" I wish MU could get.
His shooting style allows him to get shots off quickly without being wide open, and also lets him get off midrange shots if he gets cut off driving to the basket without having them swatted back in his face.
Sparty, when frustrated, forcing up long 2's, demonstrating why they are a terrible idea.
Not seeking out contact like they did against NM.
And on cue, MSU starts driving the ball.
Quote from: tower912 on March 28, 2025, 07:51:09 PMAnd on cue, MSU starts driving the ball.
Coach Tower
Lack of poise fron Ole Miss.
Quote from: wisblue on March 28, 2025, 07:37:43 PMOle Miss's Pedulla is a perfect example of the type of "true jump shooter" I wish MU could get.
His shooting style allows him to get shots off quickly without being wide open, and also lets him get off midrange shots if he gets cut off driving to the basket without having them swatted back in his face.
You want Markus.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 27, 2025, 10:53:53 PMMoses? Lebron?
Those are good choices. You could probably add a dozen or more guys to the list - I thought of Kobe and Isaiah right away. But Kareem was king.
204 wins. 8 losses when you combine HS and college. 188-6 for Walton.
Carr flushed that like I used to do! Caveat...my nerf hoop. :)
As athletic as chase wild to see this msu kid on another level
Quote from: tower912 on March 28, 2025, 07:56:52 PMYou want Markus.
Not exactly.
The shooting style works, but I'd trade the volume of shots for someone maybe a little taller and stronger that wouldn't be a liability on defense.
Quote from: wisblue on March 28, 2025, 08:18:29 PMNot exactly.
The shooting style works, but I'd trade the volume of shots for someone maybe a little taller and stronger that wouldn't be a liability on defense.
Oh come on.
Sparty got a long count on that one inbound play.
Tom izzo the genius of march...
Sucks are coach is know for great regular seasons and failures in the tournament
Sparty on.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 08:28:24 PMTom izzo the genius of march...
Sucks are coach is know for great regular seasons and failures in the tournament
Yeah, but Izzo betrayed the game when brought in two grad transfers this season. Focus on what's important.
Both those teams would have rolled us,talent is king
How crazy a flagship state school like Mississippi has never made an elete 8
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 08:28:24 PMTom izzo the genius of march...
Sucks are coach is know for great regular seasons and failures in the tournament
You've been whining for a week now.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 08:28:24 PMTom izzo the genius of march...
Sucks are coach is know for great regular seasons and failures in the tournament
"Are" coach has been to a Final Four.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 08:34:36 PMHow crazy a flagship state school like Mississippi has never made an elete 8
Mississippi State has.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 08:36:16 PMYou've been whining for a week now.
I'm troubled .. switching to titos now
Quote from: wadesworld on March 28, 2025, 08:36:40 PM"Are" coach has been to a Final Four.
Our you sure?
I don't recall.
Ok Tennessee never making a final four is even crazier
Pope is not infallible.
Who should we root for and why? Ty.
Baker-Mazarro with a low Woderlic decision there.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 28, 2025, 09:30:00 PMWho should we root for and why? Ty.
I'd say root for who you want personally
Auburn been playing with fire for a while.. In another battle
Michigan is a tough match up for them.
Auburn settling for way too many 3s.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 28, 2025, 09:39:59 PMI'd say root for who you want personally
It's difficult. Very difficult. I guess I'll root for Duke and TTU.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 08:34:36 PMHow crazy a flagship state school like Mississippi has never made an elete 8
Actually a fun trivia question. How many states have a flagship/named state school that hasn't been to an Elite 8. Off the top of my head...
New York (Stony Brook, UB, Binghamton all would qualify)
Mississippi (counting Ole Miss, not Miss St)
Maine/Vermont/NH
New Mexico
North/South Dakota
Montana
Wyoming
Idaho
Then some of the more surprising ones...
Pennsylvania (Penn St hasn't unless you count 1954)
Washington (1953)
California (if you count Berkley not UCLA)
Nebraska (doesnt even have a tourney win, hence why Hoiberg can probably cash $4MM annual checks indefinitely as long as he wins more than 7-8 games a year in the B18)
Even Rhode Island has one.
Whats kind of funny for Ole Miss is the SEC has 2 others that would be in the same boat if not for complete flukes...
Georgia has only won a first round game 4 times in the program's history...but they randomly made a run to the F4 in 1983 AFTER Nique Wilkins left and with a coach who was under .500 in the SEC to that point.
And of course, the stupid 2017 South Carolina team. 2nd NCAA appearance in 20 years, program hadn't won a NCAA game in 45 F-ing years...and they made that Faustian deal of a run.
Every time I see Bruce Pearl I think to myself "this guy has a lot of vices"
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 28, 2025, 09:42:56 PMIt's difficult. Very difficult. I guess I'll root for Duke and TTU.
Want the raiders to annihilate the animal kingdom? nice!!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 28, 2025, 09:46:00 PMWant the raiders to annihilate the animal kingdom? nice!!
Wolverines are rarely filmed in the wild.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 28, 2025, 09:46:00 PMWant the raiders to annihilate the animal kingdom? nice!!
The animal kingdom is somewhat struggling in the tournament.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 28, 2025, 09:30:00 PMWho should we root for and why? Ty.
I know I'm in the minority, but I don't mind Auburn. They are fun to watch and have been for awhile. Pearl the coach ranges from kind of annoying to total douche (SHOUT OUT DEON THOMAS!) but I know a handful of people from Milwaukee to Knoxville to Atlanta (someone who is big time SEC affiliated but has no love for Auburn) who all speak very highly of Bruce the person and adore him on a human level.
I don't need to white wash his image but one of my college roommates is from Knoxville. His dad is an Italian immigrant who moved to the US in his teens and worked in upper management at Alcoa forever. He doesn't know college basketball from college baseball. But he ran into Pearl through mutual business acquaintances in Knoxville in the 2011-2013 hiatus period after Pearl got tossed at UT and RAVED about the dude. Would see him maybe 1-2 times a month but thought he was just the best guy and my friend says he watches assorted Auburn games, mostly in the NCAA, specifically because of "my guy Bruce".
What are Purdue fans crying about there? That was as clear of a foul as you'll find on a 3 point attempt.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 28, 2025, 09:44:29 PMActually a fun trivia question. How many states have a flagship/named state school that hasn't been to an Elite 8. Off the top of my head...
New York (Stony Brook, UB, Binghamton all would qualify)
Mississippi (counting Ole Miss, not Miss St)
Maine/Vermont/NH
New Mexico
North/South Dakota
Montana
Wyoming
Idaho
Then some of the more surprising ones...
Pennsylvania (Penn St hasn't unless you count 1954)
Washington (1953)
California (if you count Berkley not UCLA)
Nebraska (doesnt even have a tourney win, hence why Hoiberg can probably cash $4MM annual checks indefinitely as long as he wins more than 7-8 games a year in the B18)
Even Rhode Island has one.
Whats kind of funny for Ole Miss is the SEC has 2 others that would be in the same boat if not for complete flukes...
Georgia has only won a first round game 4 times in the program's history...but they randomly made a run to the F4 in 1983 AFTER Nique Wilkins left and with a coach who was under .500 in the SEC to that point.
And of course, the stupid 2017 South Carolina team. 2nd NCAA appearance in 20 years, program hadn't won a NCAA game in 45 F-ing years...and they made that Faustian deal of a run.
Not sure why you label Ole Miss as the one flagship from Mississippi. MSU is pretty much the same size, same endowment level, same R1 doctoral designation, and are in the same athletic conference.
Mississippi is like Indiana, Alabama, etc with two high-level public flagships.
That was a bad miss lay up for Harris damn
Cryer is doing some really dumb things out there.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:01:26 PMNot sure why you label Ole Miss as the one flagship from Mississippi. MSU is pretty much the same size, same endowment level, same R1 doctoral designation, and are in the same athletic conference.
Mississippi is like Indiana, Alabama, etc with two high-level public flagships.
Literally just went off of the designation in the earlier post. Not trying to devolve into semantics.
Even under those, falls into that weird fluke like USC and UGA. 6 first round wins in their history. Moribund program until Erick Dampier put them on his back for 2 years.
I'm in complete shock with both of these games. I thought Auburn and Houston would win easily.
Got some good games today.
I keep thinking Auburn is gonna go on a run but they haven't yet. Might catch up with them
Houston looks like the usual flame out mid round Houston in 1 half.
Still think both favorites figure it out
Wolf is schooling Auburn.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 28, 2025, 10:25:23 PMGot some good games today.
I keep thinking Auburn is gonna go on a run but they haven't yet. Might catch up with them
Houston looks like the usual flame out mid round Houston in 1 half.
Still think both favorites figure it out
Auburn looks ahell shocked to me.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 28, 2025, 09:45:41 PMEvery time I see Bruce Pearl I think to myself "this guy has a lot of vices"
Funny I think (in my best Bruce pearl voice) 'hey, does this beard make my face look fat?'
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 28, 2025, 10:29:22 PMAuburn looks ahell shocked to me.
They do.
That Pettiford 3 was huge. Caused the classic Michigan unforced TO
Will find out quickly out of this TO if the Auburn run is coming
They may have awakened.
Big time shots from Pettiford.
Yup. The Auburn run
18-2 Auburn run in 4:32. Turned a 9 point deficit into a 7 point lead. From their largest deficit of the game to their largest lead of the game in the blink of an eye.
Edit: make it 20-2.
Pettiford is a stud.
Pettiford is possessed.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 28, 2025, 10:56:12 PMPettiford is possessed.
They had nothing going and then the young man decided to take over.
So it looks like there will be an SEC team in each Elite 8 game. They could have four teams in the Final Four...or they could have none.
Pretty sure this hasn't happened before.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:59:58 PMSo it looks like there will be an SEC team in each Elite 8 game. They could have four teams in the Final Four...or they could have none.
Pretty sure this hasn't happened before.
Having no teams in the F4 has happened.
This just got interesting. Cryer has been an unmitigated disaster for Houston. 1 for 11.
Huge missed call there by the refs. Should have been Purdue ball. Wow.
Wow, just wow.
What a oob play.
That play was awesome
So many college coaches run vanilla BLOB plays with no creativity to them. That was a masterpiece design by Kelvin Sampson and perfect execution by the Cougars.
Thinking this is the best Elite 8 ever.
- 8 of the top-9 in kenpom are alive.
- Alabama (+30.95 AdjEM) would've ranked #1 at kenpom in 3 of the last 5 seasons, this year they are #6.
- Only top-8 team missing is #8 Gonzaga, who was eliminated by Houston.
- The "worst" team left is Texas Tech (+27.79) who would've ranked #2 in 3 of the last 5 seasons.
- Tied 2007 for the lowest combined seed total in the E8.
Pretty disappointed the NCAA made it clear to the umps not to allow Big Ten teams to win last night so it was only SEC teams left
1 v 2, 1 v 2, 1 v 2, and 1 v 3 in the regional finals. March Blandness rather than March Madness. Where are all the upsets? Crappy tournament especially with MU losing in the first round.
You are saying that the committee got it right.
It may be challenging this year but it is bound to happen sometimes. And yes the committee got it right then.
Hopefully that gives us good E8 and F4 games. Because so far not only do we not really have any Cinderellas but we also don't have good games.
Quote from: Judge Smails on March 29, 2025, 08:35:22 AM1 v 2, 1 v 2, 1 v 2, and 1 v 3 in the regional finals. March Blandness rather than March Madness. Where are all the upsets? Crappy tournament especially with MU losing in the first round.
When we get to regional finals, give me the best teams
Right. A buzzer beater or two (Maryland over Colo St, last night Hou over Purdue basically) and a big 16 point come back by TT. Just didn't have those huge upsets or little school buzzer beaters but they will be there in the future. They always come back around. Don't want to use this tourney as a reason to expand that's for sure.
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 29, 2025, 08:50:59 AMRight. A buzzer beater or two (Maryland over Colo St, last night Hou over Purdue basically) and a big 16 point come back by TT. Just didn't have those huge upsets or little school buzzer beaters but they will be there in the future. They always come back around. Don't want to use this tourney as a reason to expand that's for sure.
Actually, it's more likely that they don't "always come back around."
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 29, 2025, 09:27:00 AMActually, it's more likely that they don't "always come back around."
Maybe I'm overly optimistic, but I think they will. There are still some great players coming from the small schools. Perhaps it won't be as often but I think you'll see some of those upsets come back. Certainly expanding the field will not make things better.
Quote from: Judge Smails on March 29, 2025, 08:35:22 AM1 v 2, 1 v 2, 1 v 2, and 1 v 3 in the regional finals. March Blandness rather than March Madness. Where are all the upsets? Crappy tournament especially with MU losing in the first round.
Television ratings will be huge.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 08:46:08 AMHopefully that gives us good E8 and F4 games. Because so far not only do we not really have any Cinderellas but we also don't have good games.
There have been plenty of good games.
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 08:38:22 AMYou are saying that the committee got it right.
Pretty much they did. Except for MU getting their ass kicked by a lower 10 seed. And a few others
Quote from: The Sultan on March 29, 2025, 10:14:06 AMThere have been plenty of good games.
There have been some, but doesn't feel like as many as most years.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 29, 2025, 09:27:00 AMActually, it's more likely that they don't "always come back around."
Nah. In a single elimination format there is always a chance for upsets. It will happen.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 29, 2025, 10:17:07 AMPretty much they did. Except for MU getting their ass kicked by a lower 10 seed. And a few others
Good point, Willie
Quote from: Judge Smails on March 29, 2025, 08:35:22 AM1 v 2, 1 v 2, 1 v 2, and 1 v 3 in the regional finals. March Blandness rather than March Madness. Where are all the upsets? Crappy tournament especially with MU losing in the first round.
Thank you transfer portal. You ruined March Madness.
Quote from: SERocks on March 29, 2025, 10:34:29 AMThank you transfer portal. You ruined March Madness.
It's not like this never happens
Quote from: SERocks on March 29, 2025, 10:34:29 AMThank you transfer portal. You ruined March Madness.
This has happened before
Quote from: SERocks on March 29, 2025, 10:34:29 AMThank you transfer portal. You ruined March Madness.
No it didn't.
Quote from: SERocks on March 29, 2025, 10:34:29 AMThank you transfer portal. You ruined March Madness.
The Portal has contributed but I think it's more COVID year. Look at how many 5th-year/Grad guys are starting for Sweet 16 teams. That goes away after this season.
Quote from: Dish on March 29, 2025, 12:05:19 AMSo many college coaches run vanilla BLOB plays with no creativity to them. That was a masterpiece design by Kelvin Sampson and perfect execution by the Cougars.
It was a great play call by Sampson, yes. And it was even better execution by the players, which is what really makes any play work.
But frankly, it was pizz poor defense by Purdue. Coaches constantly - and I mean CONSTANTLY - drill "watch out for the pass back to the inbounder." That Uzan was not only left open but left
wide open on that play was a horrible mistake by Purdue.
It was the kind of mistake that costs a team a game ... and this time it did.
Good scouting. Was counting on the Purdue player to lose the inbounder.
Quote from: Dish on March 29, 2025, 12:05:19 AMSo many college coaches run vanilla BLOB plays with no creativity to them. That was a masterpiece design by Kelvin Sampson and perfect execution by the Cougars.
No doubt. Smith drops off the inbounder because Cryer came wide open. He should have stayed home but I can't blame him for switching to take away what could have been a wide-open look by UH's leading scorer. UH set a perfect screen to force Smith to make a decision.
Quote from: Judge Smails on March 29, 2025, 08:35:22 AM1 v 2, 1 v 2, 1 v 2, and 1 v 3 in the regional finals. March Blandness rather than March Madness. Where are all the upsets? Crappy tournament especially with MU losing in the first round.
Is that really all some people watch the tournament for, upsets and Cinderellas? Those are fun every once in a while, but I think there's also something to be said for big time programs, star players, and great coaches going head-to-head when it matters most.
Watching the big boys lose to the mid-majors is what does it for me. And other than the final champion, what gets remembered fornever. Valparaiso. Valvano. UMBC.
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 01:13:14 PMWatching the big boys lose to the mid-majors is what does it for me. And other than the final champion, what gets remembered fornever. Valparaiso. Valvano. UMBC.
Pssh, that 1983 NC State run wasn't even the best run of the mid 80s. They beat a 10 seed in the S16 and got a fluke 4 seed UGA in the FF. 85 Nova beat 2 #2s and 2 #1s and were way bigger underdogs to Georgetown in the final.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 29, 2025, 02:49:39 PMPssh, that 1983 NC State run wasn't even the best run of the mid 80s. They beat a 10 seed in the S16 and got a fluke 4 seed UGA in the FF. 85 Nova beat 2 #2s and 2 #1s and were way bigger underdogs to Georgetown in the final.
Yup. Don't forget Danny Manning and Kansas.
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 02:56:22 PMYup. Don't forget Danny Manning and Kansas.
definitely a great run, but they did luck out playing 14 seed Murray State in the second round, 7 seed Vanderbilt in the sweet 16 and 4 seed Kansas State (who they'd gong 1-2 against during the season) in the elite eight. Definitely an impressive final four though (a 2 and 1 seed).
Nova's run was the most impressive, IMO, but also while a 4 seed, don't forget Arizona beating three #1 seeds on the way to a title (along with Austin Freakin' Croshere and 10 seed Providence in the Elite Eight. Could have been us...).
I think the Duke/Bama game could be an all-timer. Obviously Bama isn't gonna make 25 threes, but they're extremely dangerous. If Sears has a big gane, I think Duke could be in trouble. The fact that they haven't played a team close to this caliber since December is also a concern. Duke is a good defensive team, but Alabama has absurd weapons and speed/quickness. We know Duke likes to run and push it but I'm wondering if they slow down a bit to control the tempo? They also can't pick up the fouls we saw vs Zona.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 03:47:44 PMI think the Duke/Bama game could be an all-timer. Obviously Bama isn't gonna make 25 threes, but they're extremely dangerous. If Sears has a big gane, I think Duke could be in trouble. The fact that they haven't played a team close to this caliber since December is also a concern. Duke is a good defensive team, but Alabama has absurd weapons and speed/quickness. We know Duke likes to run and push it but I'm wondering if they slow down a bit to control the tempo? They also can't pick up the fouls we saw vs Zona.
I'm boycotting since the NCAA is clearly cheating for the SEC
Florida looks way more talented than TTU. Williams with 2 fouls hurts. Toppin will need to get his head out of his ass for Tex Tech to have a chance imo.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 05:40:45 PMFlorida looks way more talented than TTU. Williams with 2 fouls hurts. Toppin will need to get his head out of his ass for Tex Tech to have a chance imo.
The largest lead in this game has been TTU by 6. Florida's biggest lead is by 4 and we're almost at half. Why are you acting like TTU is getting boatraced?
TTU doing a great job controlling tempo. I just don't think they have enough. I hope I'm wrong.
We need to increase our level of physicality. Vitally important moving forward.
That's two awful calls against TTU. Completely inexcusable.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 06:48:06 PMThat's two awful calls against TTU. Completely inexcusable.
I haven't watched the whole game, but what I've seen, Florida has got some extremely favorable whistles.
Quote from: forgetful on March 29, 2025, 06:49:13 PMI haven't watched the whole game, but what I've seen, Florida has got some extremely favorable whistles.
I don't get why the refs can't see the kick out on the 3 ball. That should actually be an offensive foul and perhaps a tech or F-1. Instead they 95% of the time call a defensive foul because a guy falls down after kicking. Ridiculous.
This is a heck of an effort by Texas Tech. Especially with Toppin bricking chippies. Maybe they read my comments?
What a run! TTU showing tremendous grit!
Impressive run by the Red Raiders
Wow. Another brutal call there. WTF?
Ball don't lie.
Haugh making huge plays. TTU bricks two 1 and 1's.
What an epic choke job by TTU
Wild having a guy who can consistently hit hand in the face 3s of th me dribble
Haugh was a 3 star hs player.
Unreal triple there from Clayton.
lol clay ton is stupid good
Wow. That was a complete whiff from TTU. Would have been a 10 secs.
Clayton wasn't even rated as a hs player.
TTU's last two possessions epitomize modern basketball. Path to the rim and don't need a three? Kick it out for a missed three.
It definitely was a bit of a gag job but Clayton stepped up big-time.
Wanted Florida lose because they and their fans are arrogant crap heads but whatever they have a cheat code player in Clayton who can hit most ridiculous shots you can think of. Duck Florida
I'm surprised Clayton Jr. isn't higher in the mocks. He's 6'3/6'4.
Clayton 1/6 before those two threes. Clutch
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 29, 2025, 07:34:10 PMClayton 1/6 before those two threes. Clutch
I think he had 1 field goal under 12 mins to go.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 07:33:02 PMI'm surprised Clayton Jr. isn't higher in the mocks. He's 6'3/6'4.
https://x.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1906142196991942892?t=ClBY1Nphtqf-bqebXWBvdA&s=19
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 29, 2025, 07:36:26 PMhttps://x.com/BobbyMarks42/status/1906142196991942892?t=ClBY1Nphtqf-bqebXWBvdA&s=19
If he's in the 19-25 range I'd be shocked. He's got jets and is cold blooded.
Will Florida coeds be getting texted pictures of Todd Golden's junk tonight?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 07:33:02 PMI'm surprised Clayton Jr. isn't higher in the mocks. He's 6'3/6'4.
That seems generous, and schools are notorious for doing that
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 29, 2025, 07:40:54 PMThat seems generous, and schools are notorious for doing that
Maybe. Is he only 6'1 Hutch?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 07:42:48 PMMaybe. Is he only 6'1 Hutch?
6'2 in shoes maybe? Hard to say. But I don't believe for a minute he's 6'4.
Since about the middle of the season, I thought Clayton was a lottery pick maybe in the 12-14 range. Most mocks I've seen have him in the 25-35 range. I just don't see it. But the NBA is hesitant with guys that are 22.
Sears playing the opposite of last game so far
Oates coaching like Buffalo at Marquette so far
Duke is dropping 100+ tonight
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 07:29:24 PMIt definitely was a bit of a gag job but Clayton stepped up big-time.
Yeah. Not every big comeback involves someone choking. Florida went and took that game. They made absurd shots down the stretch.
Nelson missing chippies but Duke's defense is tough
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 29, 2025, 07:40:12 PMWill Florida coeds be getting texted pictures of Todd Golden's junk tonight?
Entire coaching staff's, actually.
Kon is just a really good basketball player.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 08:31:04 PMKon is just a really good basketball player.
He made the right choice.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 29, 2025, 08:32:45 PMHe made the right choice.
Absolutely. But I think he would've helped Marquette IMMENSELY. We would've been very good with Kam, Stevie, Kon, Jop, and Ben starting and Chase being our 6th man. He not only spreads the floor, but he also creates open looks for his teammates. Ben, Jop, Kam, and Chase would've all shot better having to do less and getting better looks.
2 times a bunch of Bama players sat around and looked at a rebound only to give it to Duke for a 3
Do not care if you crack heads you have got to grab that rebound this is the Final Four at stake
Sears continuing to play the opposite of last game
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 29, 2025, 08:45:09 PMSears continuing to play the opposite of last game
The defense he's seeing is the opposite of last game.
Let's make this board more exciting.
None of the Duke players are unlikable...(leaves the room after lighting the match)
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 29, 2025, 08:45:09 PMSears continuing to play the opposite of last game
Duke is different level defensively than BYU. And crazy long.
Taking away the 3 and giving Alabama any mid range jumpers they want.
Quote from: MUEng92 on March 29, 2025, 08:54:13 PMLet's make this board more exciting.
None of the Duke players are unlikable...(leaves the room after lighting the match)
It's true. Maluach should get more lobs and touches. Look out in about 2 1/2 years.
From 100 points at games end to 37 points at the half. Combination of Duke defense and Alabama not playing as well
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 29, 2025, 08:57:50 PMFrom 100 points at games end to 37 points at the half. Combination of Duke defense and Alabama not playing as well
And not playing BYU's defense.
Quote from: bananahammock on March 29, 2025, 08:53:44 PMThe defense he's seeing is the opposite of last game.
Agree mentioned that above.
Has a team ever had three lottery pick freshmen?
Alabama 5/19 from 3 at the half when last game Alabama was 25/51. Granted most of it is due to Duke's defense
Terrible call there on Maluach.
Told this story previously but was at the practice where Jop dunked on Kon and cut Kon's eye bad with his elbow. My wife wondered if that is why Kon picked Duke but said it was probably more a function of NIL, playing with Cooper and Duke's history of more Championships.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 09:10:54 PMHas a team wvee had three lottery pick freshmen?
Kentucky had 3 in 2010, 4 in 2015 and 3 in 2017. Duke had 4 in 1999 and 3 in 2019. I'd assume there are more.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 29, 2025, 09:19:44 PMTold this story previously but was at the practice where Jop dunked on Kon and cut Kon's eye bad with his elbow. My wife wondered if that is why Kon picked Duke but I said it was probably more a function of NIl, playing with Cooper and Duke's history of more Championships.
Kon just wanted to play with Cooper Flagg and use th3 Duke pedigree. Quite simple.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 08:31:04 PMKon is just a really good basketball player.
From Milwaukee. Would've looked great in an MU uniform
Bama missing both covered 3s and open 3s.
Sears looked awesome last game and in the game we saw him in Cleveland but not tonight
Flagg with the mid range jumper wedgie.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 29, 2025, 08:15:21 PMDuke is dropping 100+ tonight
Will need to go nuclear these last 12 minutes.
Quote from: Judge Smails on March 29, 2025, 09:24:08 PMFrom Milwaukee. Would've looked great in an MU uniform
You're killin me smails!
Quote from: Judge Smails on March 29, 2025, 09:24:08 PMFrom Milwaukee. Would've looked great in an MU uniform
Feel his parents did and do like the convenience of Milwaukee but it was not enough. Kon's parents looking happy in the stands tonight and I am happy for them.
Nelson missing another Chippy and Bama not fighting as hard for rebounds
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 29, 2025, 09:46:46 PMNelson missing another Chippy and Bama not fighting as hard for rebounds
Someone whispered in my ear that Sears asked why he's laying everything on the line for Alabama at halftime. Felt like Bama might fold when I heard that.
Lol Sears reminded me of Brunson until tonight
Maluach is responsible for about 20 alters.
Knueppel really would have helped solidify MU's bench this season.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2025, 09:55:30 PMKnueppel really would have helped solidify MU's bench this season.
Bench?? lol
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 29, 2025, 09:59:26 PMBench?? lol
Sarcasm. This is about a recent exchange.
Sarcasm fly by.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 29, 2025, 09:59:26 PMBench?? lol
Shaka doesn't recruit over his guys, so Kon would have had to come off the bench.
Duke played their C game offensively tonight.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 10:06:11 PMDuke played their C game offensively tonight.
They shoe 54% overall, 42% from 3. Flagg played a C game offensively. Everyone else was very good.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 10:08:38 PMThey shoe 54% overall, 42% from 3. Flagg played a C game offensively. Everyone else was very good.
They also had 13 turnovers. I don't see them losing.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2025, 10:01:48 PMShaka doesn't recruit over his guys, so Kon would have had to come off the bench.
MU wasn't good enough for him or the family.
Well one good game tonight. A little better than par this tournament
Kon's face has a little Larry Bird look to it during that interview
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 03:47:44 PMI think the Duke/Bama game could be an all-timer. Obviously Bama isn't gonna make 25 threes, but they're extremely dangerous. If Sears has a big gane, I think Duke could be in trouble. The fact that they haven't played a team close to this caliber since December is also a concern. Duke is a good defensive team, but Alabama has absurd weapons and speed/quickness. We know Duke likes to run and push it but I'm wondering if they slow down a bit to control the tempo? They also can't pick up the fouls we saw vs Zona.
Duke was the best team in the country a month ago, and two weeks ago, and they're still the best team in the country. They are excellent on both offense and defense, they have height, and they are smart players.
They also might even be well-coached, though I know many don't want to admit that.
Tough night for the Scheyer can't coach crowd
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 10:25:00 PMTough night for the Scheyer can't coach crowd
Though, it does help to have those players. Would be interesting to see what he could do with a different level of talent. He is up to the challenge in any event with this group. Kudos.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 10:25:00 PMTough night for the Scheyer can't coach crowd
My view was never that Scheyer couldn't coach. I just couldn't see why people assumed he could. Coach K's assistants have been a fairly poor lot as HCs. This team is well coached. It also has the most talent in D-1. If you flipped rosters, would he have beaten Oats?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 29, 2025, 10:44:35 PMMy view was never that Scheyer couldn't coach. I just couldn't see why people assumed he could. Coach K's assistants have been a fairly poor lot as HCs. This team is well coached. It also has the most talent in D-1. If you flipped rosters, would he have beaten Oats?
Coaches assemble the rosters
Quote from: MU82 on March 29, 2025, 10:24:50 PMDuke was the best team in the country a month ago, and two weeks ago, and they're still the best team in the country. They are excellent on both offense and defense, they have height, and they are smart players.
They also might even be well-coached, though I know many don't want to admit that.
We really haven't seen anything quite like this. There have been great freshmen, but it's their defense and coachability which blows me away over everything. And Flagg and Maluach are 18. You have to give Scheyer a ton of credit for sure. Truthfully, if I was Maluach, I'd take out the people grabbing and pushing me on a lot of possessions. That's a disciplined young man.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 11:02:18 PMWe really haven't seen anything quite like this. There have been great freshmen, but it's their defense and coachability which blows me away over everything. And Flagg and Maluach are 18. You have to give Scheyer a ton of credit for sure. Truthfully, if I was Maluach, I'd take out the people grabbing and pushing me on a lot of possessions. That's a disciplined young man.
Yup. Maluach is such a good, smart player. Almost always in the right position on both sides of the court.
Best Duke team since 2002 and 2003. Better than their last two title teams, imo.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 29, 2025, 10:44:35 PMMy view was never that Scheyer couldn't coach. I just couldn't see why people assumed he could. Coach K's assistants have been a fairly poor lot as HCs. This team is well coached. It also has the most talent in D-1. If you flipped rosters, would he have beaten Oats?
I think its pretty tough to judge his Xs and Os abilities with this much talent. There are probably 20+ high major coaches who could have this roster in the same place. I don't think he did an especially good job the last 2 years with very talented rosters. But who knows, he very well could win a title this year and not be the Duke coach in 5 years. He's got another 4 top 25 guys next year, can he keep getting them to gel like this where Cal at UK didn't after 2012?
Quote from: JWags85 on March 29, 2025, 11:07:32 PMI think its pretty tough to judge his Xs and Os abilities with this much talent. There are probably 20+ high major coaches who could have this roster in the same place. I don't think he did an especially good job the last 2 years with very talented rosters. But who knows, he very well could win a title this year and not be the Duke coach in 5 years. He's got another 4 top 25 guys next year, can he keep getting them to gel like this where Cal at UK didn't after 2012?
He has 89 wins in 3 years. No coach has matched that.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 11:05:39 PMYup. Maluach is such a good, smart player. Almost always in the right position on both sides of the court.
Best Duke team since 2002 and 2003. Better than their last two title teams, imo.
Let me tell you something: I would take Maluach 2nd in this draft. People say he's super raw but as you said, he plays within himself and is a total team guy. He's not even close to scratching the surface. And he has good touch and excellent hands. I could easily see him adding about 25 pounds of muscle and improving in all areas over the next 5 years. He's quick enough to guard all positions.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 11:14:52 PMHe has 89 wins in 3 years. No coach has matched that.
What other coach took over a 32 win Final Four team with five 5 star recruits coming in and another four 5 star recruits. All in a mediocre ACC. You could have gotten Duke to 25 wins a year in those conditions.
Hell, it's looking like Hubert Davis isn't a very good HC and he had 80 wins his first 3 years and he didn't have the incoming arsenal that Scheyer has had.
I'm not trying to crap on him and say he's a bum, but I'm in no hurry to deify him as the next great thing. He's waltzed into probably the best situation in the last 30-40 years, outside of maybe Roy and Self in 2003, but obviously they weren't first time HCs
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 09:47:49 PMSomeone whispered in my ear that Sears asked why he's laying everything on the line for Alabama at halftime. Felt like Bama might fold when I heard that.
Lol the only 2 times I remember people whispered in my ear were During the Press Conference announcing Marquette was joining the Big East. Mr Cords put his hand to my ear and whispered We are going to be very good for a very long time. And During the press conference announcing Wojo as head coach Mr. Lovell put his hand to my ear and whispered Do not worry about it. It is only basketball.
Nm
Quote from: JWags85 on March 29, 2025, 11:28:08 PMWhat other coach took over a 32 win Final Four team with five 5 star recruits coming in and another four 5 star recruits. All in a mediocre ACC. You could have gotten Duke to 25 wins a year in those conditions.
Hell, it's looking like Hubert Davis isn't a very good HC and he had 80 wins his first 3 years and he didn't have the incoming arsenal that Scheyer has had.
Do you watch Duke and see a team that doesn't look well coached?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 11:34:18 PMDo you watch Duke and see a team that doesn't look well coached?
I think they are well disciplined. But I don't know if I've watched them and been like "awesome game plan/scheme" as much as "this team is absurdly talented"
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 10:49:07 PMCoaches assemble the rosters
Duke assembles rosters. Would Scheyer assemble the same roster at Bradley?
The question is whether Scheyer would have beaten Oats if Oats had Duke's roster and Scheyer had Alabama's roster. I doubt it. That said, Duke is well coached. They were under Coach K as well. I'd still rate Brad Stevens a better coach than K. K never would have gotten Butler that far, IMO.
It was on ESPN Sports Center Tonight.
Since Blocks Became Official In 1986
Only 2 Players have had 75 Points 25 Assists and 5 Blocks Heading Into The Final Four.
Dwyane Wade in 2003 And Cooper Flag in 2025
The Remaining 6 Teams are All in the Top 7 of Kenpom
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 11:02:18 PMWe really haven't seen anything quite like this. There have been great freshmen, but it's their defense and coachability which blows me away over everything. And Flagg and Maluach are 18. You have to give Scheyer a ton of credit for sure. Truthfully, if I was Maluach, I'd take out the people grabbing and pushing me on a lot of possessions. That's a disciplined young man.
2012 Kentucky was very much like this.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 29, 2025, 11:28:08 PMWhat other coach took over a 32 win Final Four team with five 5 star recruits coming in and another four 5 star recruits. All in a mediocre ACC. You could have gotten Duke to 25 wins a year in those conditions.
Hell, it's looking like Hubert Davis isn't a very good HC and he had 80 wins his first 3 years and he didn't have the incoming arsenal that Scheyer has had.
I'm not trying to crap on him and say he's a bum, but I'm in no hurry to deify him as the next great thing. He's waltzed into probably the best situation in the last 30-40 years, outside of maybe Roy and Self in 2003, but obviously they weren't first time HCs
Rico never deified him as the next great thing. But that doesn't look to me like a team simply full of talent with a coach just rolling the ball out there.
And I think Hubert Davis is a great example. Won a lot of games for sure, but look unprepared at times and struggle with consistency. Reading about both, it feels like Scheyer has made some changes in the Duke program away from the ridgid structure and centralization of Coach K, and is making it his own. Whereas I think Davis is struggling with trying to be the next in like to do it the UNC way.
I think Duke is going to remain very good for a long time, but UNC is going to have to make a decision soon.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 30, 2025, 06:23:08 AMRico never deified him as the next great thing. But that doesn't look to me like a team simply full of talent with a coach just rolling the ball out there.
And I think Hubert Davis is a great example. Won a lot of games for sure, but look unprepared at times and struggle with consistency. Reading about both, it feels like Scheyer has made some changes in the Duke program away from the ridgid structure and centralization of Coach K, and is making it his own. Whereas I think Davis is struggling with trying to be the next in like to do it the UNC way.
I think Duke is going to remain very good for a long time, but UNC is going to have to make a decision soon.
Scheyer akin to when Barry Switzer won with the Dallas Cowboys? Maybe. But bottom line, Scheyer is coaching high level talent at a high level. He brought in Flagg, Kon...and is probably going to notch a natty. It's definitely his team, not K's, at this point. What strikes me is the divide between where Duke is right now, and MU is anticipated to be next season. Wide. And agreed, UNC has a decision to make or they'll fall well behind their hated rival.
Quote from: Viper on March 30, 2025, 06:50:34 AMScheyer akin to when Barry Switzer won with the Dallas Cowboys? Maybe. But bottom line, Scheyer is coaching high level talent at a high level. He brought in Flagg, Kon...and is probably going to notch a natty. It's definitely his team, not K's, at this point. What strikes me is the divide between where Duke is right now, and MU is anticipated to be next season. Wide. And agreed, UNC has a decision to make or they'll fall well behind their hated rival.
I have seen plenty of interveiws with former Cowboy players where it is difficult for them to cover their disdain for how things degraded under Switzer. Yes, they had plenty of talent to keep winning, but I think it was obvious to them that it wouldn't last long.
But college sports are different. This is a completely different team than the one Coach K last coached. So far, and obviously its still VERY early, but this looks more like when Izzo took over from Heathcote than when Davis took over from Williams.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 29, 2025, 11:19:07 PMLet me tell you something: I would take Maluach 2nd in this draft. People say he's super raw but as you said, he plays within himself and is a total team guy. He's not even close to scratching the surface. And he has good touch and excellent hands. I could easily see him adding about 25 pounds of muscle and improving in all areas over the next 5 years. He's quick enough to guard all positions.
My guess is that he goes 4 or 5. But if anyone wants to beat Duke. They have to get him in early foul trouble.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 30, 2025, 06:23:08 AMRico never deified him as the next great thing. But that doesn't look to me like a team simply full of talent with a coach just rolling the ball out there.
And I think Hubert Davis is a great example. Won a lot of games for sure, but look unprepared at times and struggle with consistency. Reading about both, it feels like Scheyer has made some changes in the Duke program away from the ridgid structure and centralization of Coach K, and is making it his own. Whereas I think Davis is struggling with trying to be the next in like to do it the UNC way.
I think Duke is going to remain very good for a long time, but UNC is going to have to make a decision soon.
Very good post. Schemer has surprised me with his coaching abilities.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 29, 2025, 11:28:08 PMWhat other coach took over a 32 win Final Four team with five 5 star recruits coming in and another four 5 star recruits. All in a mediocre ACC. You could have gotten Duke to 25 wins a year in those conditions.
Hell, it's looking like Hubert Davis isn't a very good HC and he had 80 wins his first 3 years and he didn't have the incoming arsenal that Scheyer has had.
I'm not trying to crap on him and say he's a bum, but I'm in no hurry to deify him as the next great thing. He's waltzed into probably the best situation in the last 30-40 years, outside of maybe Roy and Self in 2003, but obviously they weren't first time HCs
Neither Rico nor I deified Scheyer. And frankly, it does look like you're trying to crap on him a little.
Duke's three best players are teenagers. All everyone talked about going into this season was how, to win in college hoops nowadays, you've got to be "old." And pretty much every contender this season was old - except Duke. Well, for a team whose best players are still multiple years away from legally drinking, Duke plays disciplined basketball, they excel on both sides of the ball, they share the ball, they are a low-turnover team, they seem prepared.
Of course they have talent. Mega-talent. K also had teams with mega-talent that didn't get to the Final Four. So did Calipari, Williams, Smith, Self, McGuire, Meyer and other Hall of Famers.
Is Scheyer an X-and-O genius? Probably not, but I don't track Duke's sets and formations and situational plays, and neither does anybody else here.
He's a young coach, just a few years into his first job. He took over for a legend but has totally built his own team. He has to convince guys to come to Duke, and yes that's a hell of a lot easier than convincing them to go most other places, but he no longer gets to convince them to play for his boss, a legend.
I don't know how anybody can look at what Scheyer has done so far - especially this season - and say it hasn't been at least a little impressive. I actually find myself rooting for him.
Of course, if they make a bunch of undisciplined mistakes and screw up the next game, we can revisit this.
Coaches sure look better when they have better talent. Remember when Scheyer lost not once, but twice to NC State last March? How good of a coach was he then?
But Scheyer took advantage of Duke's recruiting advantages. 8 of the 10 players that played for Duke yesterday are in their first year at the school.
Adding five 5 stars, including the #1 overall pick, and 3 transfers sure upgraded their talent. I'm not prepared to pass a final verdict on Scheyer's coaching ability, but having the most talent sure makes a coach look good.
Guess what? Scheyer will probably continue to have elite level talent as long as he's at Duke. So it doesn't really matter if he could win at a high major.
The guy has what some think is the best college freshman since...AD? KD? Even though the answer is Zion, I'll go past that because someone here claimed I only see the shiny toy and Zion was a horrible defender...despite being on the All ACC Defensive Team and leading the ACC in defensive win shares 😂.
Anyway, he has that and the gameplay last night was...to turn Flagg into a role player offensively and get Kon the ball on dribble handoffs and go to work in the screen and roll with Maluach. Not many coaches are doing that with a talent like Flagg. He also turned a 3s and layups dominant offense into a midrange shooting team (and hopefully midrange loving Scoopers watched Bama vs. BYU and then Bama vs. Duke and now see why we don't shoot midrange jumpers. They are not efficient shots).
Quote from: wadesworld on March 30, 2025, 08:54:08 AMGuess what? Scheyer will probably continue to have elite level talent as long as he's at Duke. So it doesn't really matter if he could win at a high major.
The guy has what some think is the best college freshman since...AD? KD? Even though the answer is Zion, I'll go past that because someone here claimed I only see the shiny toy and Zion was a horrible defender...despite being on the All ACC Defensive Team and leading the ACC in defensive win shares 😂.
Anyway, he has that and the gameplay last night was...to turn Flagg into a role player offensively and get Kon the ball on dribble handoffs and go to work in the screen and roll with Maluach. Not many coaches are doing that with a talent like Flagg. He also turned a 3s and layups dominant offense into a midrange shooting team (and hopefully midrange loving Scoopers watched Bama vs. BYU and then Bama vs. Duke and now see why we don't shoot midrange jumpers. They are not efficient shots).
I too have been really impressed by Scheyer's coaching and demeanor. He's calm and his X's and O's are really good. As I watched Maluach last night, I envisioned (maybe fantasy) that Josh Clark could play a similar role for MU. Duke's pick and roll and lob game with Maluach are just dynamite.
Some Duke teams have had an unlikability factor, but this team - I've really enjoyed watching them play.
What I liked about both Duke's and Alabama's motion last night was the off ball screening and movement.
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2025, 09:11:13 AMWhat I liked about both Duke's and Alabama's motionless night was the off ball screening and movement.
Yup. That's what I see most compared to what MU had this year. The ball and player movement are just a lot better.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 30, 2025, 08:19:06 AMCoaches sure look better when they have better talent. Remember when Scheyer lost not once, but twice to NC State last March? How good of a coach was he then?
But Scheyer took advantage of Duke's recruiting advantages. 8 of the 10 players that played for Duke yesterday are in their first year at the school.
Adding five 5 stars, including the #1 overall pick, and 3 transfers sure upgraded their talent. I'm not prepared to pass a final verdict on Scheyer's coaching ability, but having the most talent sure makes a coach look good.
As a head coach, he's a relative neophyte. At the lowly level I coached, I know that I was a heck of a lot better in my 3rd season than I was in my 1st and 2nd.
As I previously said, plenty of Hall of Fame coaches didn't win titles or even make Final Fours despite having superior talent. Even the best didn't do it every year. Did any of them do it in his second season as a college coach (which was the case with Scheyer last year)?
I don't think it's appropriate to crown him for anything yet. But I also don't think it's appropriate to judge him negatively.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 30, 2025, 08:54:08 AMAnyway, he has that and the gameplay last night was...to turn Flagg into a role player offensively and get Kon the ball on dribble handoffs and go to work in the screen and roll with Maluach. Not many coaches are doing that with a talent like Flagg. He also turned a 3s and layups dominant offense into a midrange shooting team (and hopefully midrange loving Scoopers watched Bama vs. BYU and then Bama vs. Duke and now see why we don't shoot midrange jumpers. They are not efficient shots).
These are all good points. Good coaching went on last night. There was one BLOB play where Knueppel screened for Flagg at the FT line while two teammates flared out to other spots on the court. Flagg used the screen to dive to the hoop but Bama covered him. After setting the screen, Knueppel turned around and took a step back into the lane, where he was open. The IB found him, and Knueppel drove for the layup. It's not a complicated play - I've seen it before - but it worked exactly as it was drawn up.
Again, I don't think anybody here is saying that Scheyer deserves the mantle of greatness. I happen to think he doesn't deserve, "Meh. He has all the talent. Anybody could coach that team to the national title."
Quote from: wadesworld on March 30, 2025, 09:15:15 AMYup. That's what I see most compared to what MU had this year. The ball and player movement are just a lot better.
Coach K post-2015 title was basically rolling the ball out and letting his team figure it out. Those teams were good but undisciplined and often, helpless against well coached teams.
And these Duke teams play much better team defense than the last decade of Coach K. People expecting a Duke decline are going to be severely disappointed. They may not reach the heights of K in his prime, but they'll be just fine
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 29, 2025, 07:21:07 PMWhat an epic choke job by TTU
Florida deserves a ton of credit for hitting 3s and then ultimately stopping Texas Tech, but yeah ... it really was an epic choke job by the lads from Lubbock.
In the last 3 minutes, their two best players, Toppin (an All-American) and Williams, each missed the front end of a 1-and-1. TT inexplicably went from dominating inside to launching panicked 3-pointers when they absolutely didn't need to. And they fouled a second before Florida was gonna get hit with a 10-second violation.
We've been talking about good coaching and bad coaching and mediocre coaching. What kind of coaching was that by Grant McCasland to oversee an gag-a-thon that cost his team a spot in the Final Four?
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2025, 09:49:09 AMFlorida deserves a ton of credit for hitting 3s and then ultimately stopping Texas Tech, but yeah ... it really was an epic choke job by the lads from Lubbock.
In the last 3 minutes, their two best players, Toppin (an All-American) and Williams, each missed the front end of a 1-and-1. TT inexplicably went from dominating inside to launching panicked 3-pointers when they absolutely didn't need to. And they fouled a second before Florida was gonna get hit with a 10-second violation.
We've been talking about good coaching and bad coaching and mediocre coaching. What kind of coaching was that by Grant McCasland to oversee an gag-a-thon that cost his team a spot in the Final Four?
He needs his team to practice FT shooting and not giving up desperation 3's
Quote from: Viper on March 30, 2025, 06:50:34 AMScheyer akin to when Barry Switzer won with the Dallas Cowboys? Maybe. But bottom line, Scheyer is coaching high level talent at a high level. He brought in Flagg, Kon...and is probably going to notch a natty. It's definitely his team, not K's, at this point. What strikes me is the divide between where Duke is right now, and MU is anticipated to be next season. Wide. And agreed, UNC has a decision to make or they'll fall well behind their hated rival.
How dare you state that the divide is wide. People on this board will crucify you for such a statement. You should realize that MU and Duke are 2 peas in a pod, with a bushel of peas in between
All this talk about Duke, Scheyer an their recruits. What about MU, Shaka and his recruits? What is this, nothing to see here?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 30, 2025, 10:42:21 AMAll this talk about Duke, Scheyer an their recruits. What about MU, Shaka and his recruits? What is this, nothing to see here?
This is the NCAA tourney topic. Not the recruiting topic.
I know reading can be a challenge for you, so I hope this helps.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 30, 2025, 10:42:21 AMAll this talk about Duke, Scheyer an their recruits. What about MU, Shaka and his recruits? What is this, nothing to see here?
Spot on. Nothing to see here. I'm no longer a Marquette fan. I'm a Dukie now.
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2025, 09:49:09 AMFlorida deserves a ton of credit for hitting 3s and then ultimately stopping Texas Tech, but yeah ... it really was an epic choke job by the lads from Lubbock.
In the last 3 minutes, their two best players, Toppin (an All-American) and Williams, each missed the front end of a 1-and-1. TT inexplicably went from dominating inside to launching panicked 3-pointers when they absolutely didn't need to. And they fouled a second before Florida was gonna get hit with a 10-second violation.
We've been talking about good coaching and bad coaching and mediocre coaching. What kind of coaching was that by Grant McCasland to oversee an gag-a-thon that cost his team a spot in the Final Four?
I don't know how much of that was really on McCasland. He was pissed at the Toppin three point attempt, an 85% FT shooter bricked the front end of a one and one, and he was telling team not to foul on what should have been a 10 second violation. I don't think the second missed three was "panicked" as much as it was a bad shot off a drive and kick. The shooter was wide open, but if the original ball handler who had gone to the rim had taken the shot he may have been fouled if he didn't make the shot. Sometimes no amount of coaching can overcome bad decisions made by the players.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 30, 2025, 10:43:17 AMThis is the NCAA tourney topic. Not the recruiting topic.
I know reading can be a challenge for you, so I hope this helps.
He's like a blind man at an orgy
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 30, 2025, 10:47:57 AMSometimes no amount of coaching can overcome bad decisions made by the players.
With "sometimes" being the operative word, I agree. The team did not get to the level it achieved with a bad coach. The players pissed away the game with brain-dead decisions.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 30, 2025, 10:53:59 AMWith "sometimes" being the operative word, I agree. The team did not get to the level it did with a bad coach. The players pissed away the game with brain-dead decisions.
I'd take McCasland at Marquette, even though he's an evangelical
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 30, 2025, 10:47:57 AMI don't know how much of that was really on McCasland. He was pissed at the Toppin three point attempt, an 85% FT shooter bricked the front end of a one and one, and he was telling team not to foul on what should have been a 10 second violation. I don't think the second missed three was "panicked" as much as it was a bad shot off a drive and kick. The shooter was wide open, but if the original ball handler who had gone to the rim had taken the shot he may have been fouled if he didn't make the shot. Sometimes no amount of coaching can overcome bad decisions made by the players.
I actually agree with all of this. I didn't mean to suggest that McCasland coached poorly while his team was choking. I just thought the TT situation kind of fit in with the Scheyer discussion.
Scheyer gets no credit from some because he has great players (never mind that he is the one who went out and got the great players). McCasland has great players, too, including a first-team All-American, and yet he could only do so much. He didn't like that idiotic 3 by Williams when TT was only down 1? Welcome to the club; coaches are paid millions for the buck stopping at them.
Still, any reasonable person understands that
so much more than coaching goes into the kind of breakdown that TT had - or even the kind of 3-point shooting Marquette got from Kam and Jop this season.
Scheyer has done a very good job. He starts four NBA level players in Flagg, Knueppel, Maluach, and Proctor. There might be more on the roster. Coaching at a school other than one of the blue bloods, he wouldn't have a roster anywhere near as good and we wouldn't be talking about him. I do agree that this Duke team is well coached and has several high IQ players. Their team defense is better than any that I've seen at Duke in quite some time. They should be a heavy favorite to win it all. No other team combines that level of defense with that ability to shoot the ball from so many players.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2025, 12:10:56 PMCoaching at a school other than one of the blue bloods, he wouldn't have a roster anywhere near as good and we wouldn't be talking about him.
There's no way of knowing this. There are lots of coaches receiving tons of praise for the work they are doing coaching at non-bluebloods with rosters that aren't as good as Duke's. McCasland. May. McCollum. Golden. Beard. Pitino. And so on. Hell, nationally at least, Shaka has been the subject of a lot of positive talk.
So there is absolutely no way Scheyer could possibly win anywhere but Duke? And we know this with total certainty how?
I obviously can't prove that Scheyer would win anywhere but Duke ... but I'm not trying to prove it. We can only know what we know: He succeeded a legend, which as everybody knows is almost always difficult, and he quickly leveraged the Duke brand to build his own national title contender. His team, despite being one of the youngest in a nation filled with old teams, is disciplined, unselfish, hard-working, fun to watch and successful. That's all I can go by. We all sure as hell have seen coaches fail in similar situations (such as at Kentucky, Indiana, North Carolina and Georgetown).
I totally get why folks are reluctant to heap praise on Scheyer. What I don't really get is why some (not you necessarily) actually are dumping on him.
Who you got Houston or Tennessee?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2025, 01:23:04 PMToo many transfers?
No. It's rigged against the Big Ten
Gotta watch the Min Woo Lee parade.
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2025, 01:34:24 PMGotta watch the Min Woo Lee parade.
Minjee and Min Woo can swing it.
Tennessee has the same low post game as Marquette.
6pts in 10.5 mins is problematic for Tennessee.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2025, 01:45:11 PM6pts in 10.5 mins is problematic for Tennessee.
Proves the SEC was overrated
Hot Take: Steve Lappas has gotten better at this.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2025, 01:25:22 PMNo. It's rigged against the Big Ten
In that case, I stand with the refs.
I know this may be unfair, but this game feels like the typical Rick Barnes experience.
Rick Barnes doesn't look particularly happy.
Houston plays at a snails pace. I love how they blow up screens and defend in general.
Tennessee's on track to outdo our 4-31 shooting performance from deep last year.
Currently 0-13.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 30, 2025, 01:57:08 PMI know this may be unfair, but this game feels like the typical Rick Barnes experience.
I get it but he's not missing shots by 20 feet. Lanier has been a dumpster 🔥.
Chaz picking a bad day to have his worst game of the season.
Still a half to go
Have a nightmare day shooting, lose. Nothing new here. It isn't personal.
Houston being called for a lot of non-existent fouls given that the foul discrepancy is currently 14-4.
The great what-if. Kelvin Sampson puts the phone away and doesn't lose the IU gig:
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2025, 03:38:13 PMThe great what-if. Kelvin Sampson puts the phone away and doesn't lose the IU gig:
Yep. A silly rule that was rescinded soon after.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 30, 2025, 03:39:20 PMYep. A silly rule that was rescinded soon after.
I don't think it's hyperbole to say he'd have won a title at Indiana.
Quote from: forgetful on March 30, 2025, 03:18:20 PMHouston being called for a lot of non-existent fouls given that the foul discrepancy is currently 14-4.
No doubt. Egregious calls. Fortunately they were up big.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2025, 03:42:01 PMI don't think it's hyperbole to say he'd have won a title at Indiana.
The guy can clearly coach.
What an arse-whuppin' - and right from the jump. Tennessee was never in the game. Not too often you see that at this stage of a season. Houston is just a physically dominant team.
Sparty shooting scuds. More and more universal, shoot poorly from 3, lose. And it can happen to any team.
Broome is a match-up prob from Mich St. Deny him the ball?
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2025, 04:23:32 PMSparty shooting scuds. More and more universal, shoot poorly from 3, lose. And it can happen to any team.
They haven't shot the triple well all season.
They haven't. That continues so far today. Still time.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2025, 04:23:49 PMBroome is a match-up prob from Mich St. Deny him the ball?
Punch him in the nuts
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2025, 04:23:49 PMBroome is a match-up prob from Mich St. Deny him the ball?
Broome is a match up problem for most teams. That is kind of the point.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2025, 04:25:59 PMPunch him in the nuts
Set the scene for us. How would you do this from an optics standpoint? It can't be overt.
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2025, 04:27:36 PMBroome is a match up problem for most teams. That is kind of the point.
He can't be guarded by that guy at all Tower. It's like me guarding Davante down low.
Gardner can't guard you, either.
If only Izzo had experience in situations like this.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2025, 04:27:41 PMSet the scene for us. How would you do this from an optics standpoint? It can't be overt.
Sure it can. Put a garbage player out there to nut punch him
I have watched every UH game this year and today I enjoyed watching UH play like they did during most conference games.
UH defense was loose and not so overly active that they picked up dumb early fouls. As usual scouting took away the opponents sets favorite plays. One on one defense was nicely supported by quick doubles. Switching was quicker than usual and def rebounding was helped by Tenn lack of big men positioning. Tenn never got comfortable in offensive sets. Refs helped Tenn esp in second half, but it forced UH to play even more within themselves; only two dumb fouls by UH all game.
Offensively UH played to form for about 2 thirds of the game. Roberts got his isos, Cryer was active and effective and Sharp had a nice hot streak. Milos Uzan controlled flow well, and Francis had his usual offensive moments. Even Arceneaux got a few. Except for 3-4 possessions UH was poised and in control. Tenn is good defensively, but cuts/ball movement opened up shots for UH almost every time. The Off rebounding and kick outs were superior for all but first 6 minutes of the second half.
To me this was not any aberration game for UH. This is how they played teams all conf season.
Playing in Indy was like home for Purdue and Friendlier to Tenn. UH, however, is undefeated in road games.
Playing the FF in Texas will favor UH. This is 7 FFs for the Coogs. As I noted earlier, not since Phi Slama Jama have I had this much optimism... I got my MU champ almost 50 years ago...I'd like one with UH; So,...the HouWarrior can die happy.
Thank you, Auburn, for shooting the mid range jumpers while in a scoring drought.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2025, 04:32:53 PMSure it can. Put a garbage player out there to nut punch him
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2025, 04:30:18 PMGardner can't guard you, either.
If only Izzo had experience in situations like this.
Davante might tackle me but your point is well taken.
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2025, 04:35:41 PMThank you, Auburn, for shooting the mid range jumpers while in a scoring drought.
The rest of the Auburn team has not been good. Brick city plus zero free throws.
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2025, 04:35:41 PMThank you, Auburn, for shooting the mid range jumpers while in a scoring drought.
Hope Shaka is watching
I've seen a lot of poor officiating in the E8.
My bracket was 8/8 on elite eight teams.
Looking good for 4/4 on the final four.
There is some piss poor shooting in this contest.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 30, 2025, 05:29:58 PMMy bracket was 8/8 on elite eight teams.
Looking good for 4/4 on the final four.
Congrats.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2025, 05:36:09 PMCongrats.
I've had a perfect bracket for the last decade
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2025, 05:42:48 PMI've had a perfect bracket for the last decade
I already knew that!
Chalk is boring but effective.
Broome going to the locker room. Uh-oh?
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2025, 05:44:43 PMChalk is boring but effective.
Especially pool chalk. RIP Willie Mosconi.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2025, 05:50:22 PMEspecially pool chalk. RIP Willie Mosconi.
RIP Missouri Fats
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2025, 06:04:27 PMRIP Missouri Fats
Minnesota Fats?
Mr. Mosconi drilled 526 shots in a row. He owned Fats.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2025, 06:09:12 PMMinnesota Fats?
Mr. Mosconi drilled 526 shots in a row. He owned Fats.
Ronnie O'Sullivan owns both of them.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 30, 2025, 06:26:36 PMGoogle it up sunshine.
Snooker isn't pocket billiards. But clearly he has some game.
Izzo is March
Another year in the NCAA b'ball tournament. Another year without a Big10 champion!
The streak is alive and well. That's 25 and counting.
nm
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2025, 06:28:37 PMSnooker isn't pocket billiards.
That's what American plebes always say.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 30, 2025, 06:36:25 PMThat's what American plebes always say.
Mosconi could not be contained Fluffy. He was like an unstoppable rebel force by all accounts.
Quote from: HouWarrior on March 30, 2025, 04:33:41 PMI have watched every UH game this year and today I enjoyed watching UH play like they did during most conference games.
UH defense was loose and not so overly active that they picked up dumb early fouls. As usual scouting took away the opponents sets favorite plays. One on one defense was nicely supported by quick doubles. Switching was quicker than usual and def rebounding was helped by Tenn lack of big men positioning. Tenn never got comfortable in offensive sets. Refs helped Tenn esp in second half, but it forced UH to play even more within themselves; only two dumb fouls by UH all game.
Offensively UH played to form for about 2 thirds of the game. Roberts got his isos, Cryer was active and effective and Sharp had a nice hot streak. Milos Uzan controlled flow well, and Francis had his usual offensive moments. Even Arceneaux got a few. Except for 3-4 possessions UH was poised and in control. Tenn is good defensively, but cuts/ball movement opened up shots for UH almost every time. The Off rebounding and kick outs were superior for all but first 6 minutes of the second half.
To me this was not any aberration game for UH. This is how they played teams all conf season.
Playing in Indy was like home for Purdue and Friendlier to Tenn. UH, however, is undefeated in road games.
Playing the FF in Texas will favor UH. This is 7 FFs for the Coogs. As I noted earlier, not since Phi Slama Jama have I had this much optimism... I got my MU champ almost 50 years ago...I'd like one with UH; So,...the HouWarrior can die happy.
Congrats. Should be an epic showdown with Duke.
I picked the Dookies before the NCAAT so I'll stick with 'em, but Houston will be VERY tough to beat if they play like that.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2025, 06:29:44 PMIzzo is March
Yeah, I'm glad we have Shaka's March record of achievement instead
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 30, 2025, 07:31:36 PMYeah, I'm glad we have Shaka's March record of achievement instead
Could do a lot worse. And have.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2025, 06:32:14 PMThe streak is alive and well. That's 25 and counting.
BIG has produced a grand total of 1 champion in the last 36 years and counting.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 30, 2025, 06:32:14 PMThe streak is alive and well. That's 25 and counting.
And have lost 8 national championship games during that time frame.
https://x.com/Isaac__Trotter/status/1906488122952613973?t=Z4CSBzdDIabFJJAWxMUxPw&s=19
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 30, 2025, 05:29:58 PMMy bracket was 8/8 on elite eight teams.
Looking good for 4/4 on the final four.
Who would have thought that picking the 4 #1 seeds to make the final four this year was a good strategy?
And picking 3 #2 seeds with the weakest 2 seed losing early so the 3 seed makes it for the other 4 teams - brilliance.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 30, 2025, 08:01:27 PMhttps://x.com/Isaac__Trotter/status/1906488122952613973?t=Z4CSBzdDIabFJJAWxMUxPw&s=19
That'll happen when 24 year olds get COVID years and money to stick around. A lot of older, better players in the game.
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2025, 04:04:05 PMWhat an arse-whuppin' - and right from the jump. Tennessee was never in the game. Not too often you see that at this stage of a season. Houston is just a physically dominant team.
Careful MU82 - I seem to remember a final four whooping we would all like to forget.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 30, 2025, 08:03:43 PMWho would have thought that picking the 4 #1 seeds to make the final four this year was a good strategy?
And picking 3 #2 seeds with the weakest 2 seed losing early so the 3 seed makes it for the other 4 teams - brilliance.
Did you fill out a bracket? Did you make those same picks?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 30, 2025, 08:11:46 PMDid you fill out a bracket? Did you make those same picks?
Well, I actually did. And so did my brother and about 30M others.
I believe the Big East still holds the record with 3 FF teams in one year. I thought the SEC might tie it this year.
There were only 11 games where a lower seed beat a higher seed, the fewest since seeding began.
Drake, Arkansas, Colorado State, McNeese State and New Mexico were the only double digit seeds to win a game and only 10 seed Arkansas won two games. The other lower seeds to win were two 9 seeds, two 6 seeds, and a 5. And games haven't been competitive outside of a few that came down to the final possession (UM/UCSD, BYU/Madison, Maryland/CSU, Houston/Purdue) and a few others in doubt inside the final two minutes
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 30, 2025, 08:27:12 PMWell, I actually did. And so did my brother and about 30M others.
30 million people have perfect elite eight and final four picks?
Source?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 30, 2025, 07:31:36 PMYeah, I'm glad we have Shaka's March record of achievement instead
When Shaka starts covering up rape, I'll get concerned
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 31, 2025, 07:02:23 AMWhen Shaka starts covering up rape, I'll get concerned
Buzz lost in the second round
From the Auburn Undercover website, in their write-up of the win over MSU:
"Just like the Sweet 16 against Michigan, getting "three stops" was a constant message from the team whenever Auburn went to the bench.
"Whenever they went on a little run, we just emphasized, 'We've gotta get three stops. We've gotta get three stops,'" Chad Baker-Mazara said. "If we stopped them offensively, we would be good. Everybody stuck to that game plan."
Baker-Mazara had some ice on his shooting wrist in the locker room and said he was OK."
Where have we heard the importance of three defensive stops in a row before??
Pretty much every college basketball program puts a emphasis on 3 stops in a row. Other programs call them gaps, Tukey's etc.
There have been articles written on the subject: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/836753/2019/02/28/kills-gaps-turkeys-by-any-name-getting-three-straight-stops-is-a-secret-to-success/
My observation of Houston is that Sampson figured out how to teach suffocating defense and sustain that model. And if you look at the teams in the E8, all of them are extremely physical on the defensive end. We need to increase the physicality of our roster with a badass 3 and D guy, and a power interior player.
We're not going to recruit like a a blueblood, but if we can find some toughness inside, I think the Houston model is possible for MU. I've also noticed that teams with physicality across the board, can get away with that style without being called for 50 fouls a game. We must, must, must, find a power player inside. I'm sick of getting pushed around. My goal if I was Shaka would be to end that immediately.
Quote from: Norm on March 31, 2025, 02:19:10 PMFrom the Auburn Undercover website, in their write-up of the win over MSU:
"Just like the Sweet 16 against Michigan, getting "three stops" was a constant message from the team whenever Auburn went to the bench.
"Whenever they went on a little run, we just emphasized, 'We've gotta get three stops. We've gotta get three stops,'" Chad Baker-Mazara said. "If we stopped them offensively, we would be good. Everybody stuck to that game plan."
Baker-Mazara had some ice on his shooting wrist in the locker room and said he was OK."
Where have we heard the importance of three defensive stops in a row before??
Hard to believe any team other than Marquette believes three defense stops in a row is a good strategy.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 31, 2025, 09:34:37 PMHard to believe any team other than Marquette believes three defense stops in a row is a good strategy.
Ya gotta admit that hearing the crowd chant, "KILL! KILL! KILL!" is pretty cool.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2025, 06:57:40 PMMy observation of Houston is that Sampson figured out how to teach suffocating defense and sustain that model. And if you look at the teams in the E8, all of them are extremely physical on the defensive end. We need to increase the physicality of our roster with a badass 3 and D guy, and a power interior player.
We're not going to recruit like a a blueblood, but if we can find some toughness inside, I think the Houston model is possible for MU. I've also noticed that teams with physicality across the board, can get away with that style without being called for 50 fouls a game. We must, must, must, find a power player inside. I'm sick of getting pushed around. My goal if I was Shaka would be to end that immediately.
Houston has transfers so no, that model is not possible for MU.
Ed Cooley and Georgetown call 3 stops in a row a "cherry".
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 01, 2025, 08:38:48 AMHouston has transfers so no, that model is not possible for MU.
The "My goal
if I was Shaka" at the end is all anyone needs to read. The post is filled with his usual rantings.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2025, 06:57:40 PMMy observation of Houston is that Sampson figured out how to teach suffocating defense and sustain that model. And if you look at the teams in the E8, all of them are extremely physical on the defensive end. We need to increase the physicality of our roster with a badass 3 and D guy, and a power interior player.
We're not going to recruit like a a blueblood, but if we can find some toughness inside, I think the Houston model is possible for MU. I've also noticed that teams with physicality across the board, can get away with that style without being called for 50 fouls a game. We must, must, must, find a power player inside. I'm sick of getting pushed around. My goal if I was Shaka would be to end that immediately.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 01, 2025, 08:43:10 AMThe "My goal if I was Shaka" at the end is all anyone needs to read. The post is filled with his usual rantings.
Shaka doent seem like he wants bangers
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 08:39:44 AMEd Cooley and Georgetown call 3 stops in a row a "cherry".
Please, it is Cooley & Company around these parts.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 01, 2025, 09:56:32 AMPlease, it is Cooley & Company around these parts.
And English Enterprises at Providence. After road wins celebrated with milkshakes, Marquette is Shaka Shakes.
Cue the COLES to point out that MU did not win as many road games as they should have.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 31, 2025, 09:34:37 PMHard to believe any team other than Marquette believes three defense stops in a row is a good strategy.
Yeah, not sure why I even bothered sharing the quotes with this board.
Quote from: Norm on April 01, 2025, 10:26:46 AMYeah, not sure why I even bothered sharing the quotes with this board.
I appreciate it. Some people think our coaches are stupid and hate to find out they're not
Who would you compare Flagg to as far as NBA potential?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 01, 2025, 06:25:05 PMWho would you compare Flagg to as far as NBA potential?
His ceiling is Kevin Durant. I don't think he'll be that. Somewhere between Franz Wagner and KD probably.
I was going to say ceiling of Tatum?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 01, 2025, 06:25:05 PMWho would you compare Flagg to as far as NBA potential?
Kyle Korver
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 01, 2025, 06:41:14 PMKyle Korver
Let's take a step back and thoroughly analyze the young man's game with a clear head. Korver was a catch and shoot guy.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2025, 06:40:38 PMI was going to say ceiling of Tatum?
Except with a sense of self-awareness
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 01, 2025, 06:47:08 PMLet's take a step back and thoroughly analyze the young man's game with a clear head. Korver was a catch and shoot guy.
Doug McDermott
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2025, 06:40:38 PMI was going to say ceiling of Tatum?
I was going to mention Tatum as well.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 01, 2025, 06:53:34 PMDoug McDermott
Flagg has a lot of Steve Novak in his game. Wonder if he is active in neighborhood watch
Cade Cunningham. With emphasis on playing forward rather than PG.
Tatum is an interesting comparison. I don't see Flagg as that type of scorer. Tatum has that step-back triple, combined with the hesi dribble which creates all sorts of buckets. Flagg is a significantly better defender and dimer at the same age and maybe physically stronger.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 01, 2025, 07:02:52 PMFlagg has a lot of Steve Novak in his game. Wonder if he is active in neighborhood watch
Novak was as good of a pure shooter as I have ever seen.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 01, 2025, 07:19:07 PMNovak was as good of a pure shooter as I have ever seen.
Christian Laettner
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 01, 2025, 07:22:25 PMChristian Laettner
Novak with time was an auto hoop. I think he shot 97% from the FT line his Sr. year. :)
We really need a lights out spot shooter. Someone in the 44-48% range.
If I read the stats right, there were 7 players in all of college basketball that shot >44% from 3. None at a high major.
Quote from: tower912 on April 01, 2025, 07:48:43 PMIf I read the stats right, there were 7 players in all of college basketball that shot >44% from 3. None at a high major.
That doesn't conce
Quote from: tower912 on April 01, 2025, 07:48:43 PMIf I read the stats right, there were 7 players in all of college basketball that shot >44% from 3. None at a high major.
We should snag the 8th then.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 01, 2025, 06:25:05 PMWho would you compare Flagg to as far as NBA potential?
Quentin Richardson compared him to Andrei Kirilenko, who had a good, long NBA career as a fine two-way player.
Yahoo Sports mentioned Scottie Pippen.
A comp would need to have not only a similar skill set to Flagg but also his motor - not easy to find.
Quote from: tower912 on April 01, 2025, 07:48:43 PMIf I read the stats right, there were 7 players in all of college basketball that shot >44% from 3. None at a high major.
If we don't grab all 7 in the portal, then Shaka isn't the coach I thought he was.
Good start to this one.
These final
Four teams are just loaded: color me jealous af
Our guys who could've been 25 year olds in college basketball were good enough to play in the NBA. Theirs weren't.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 05:41:51 PMThese final
Four teams are just loaded: color me jealous af
Completely different class
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 05:41:51 PMThese final
Four teams are just loaded: color me jealous af
I'm really surprised Clayton isn't higher on the draft boards.
Haugh waa a 3 star dude.
If Broome was Theo John he'd foul out in the first half
Clayton is cold blooded. Wow.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 06:50:43 PMClayton is cold blooded. Wow.
Hits the most ridiculous 3s with ease. Taller defender and hand in face zero space in the corner just somehow throw it up and nothing but net
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 06:52:35 PMHits the most ridiculous 3s with ease. Taller defender and hand in face zero space in the corner just somehow throw it up and nothing but net
He also has wheels and hops.
Auburn lucky to get it in bounds two straight times. It didn't hurt them because they threw in a bomb. Still wasn't good.
That was a terrible call.
Stock up for Clayton. No way that kid isn't a lottery pick.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 06:50:43 PMClayton is cold blooded. Wow.
But he's a transfer mercenary
I think the short AA ref must have money on Auburn. Some highly questionable calls involving him.
This is one of the more wild 2nd half coaching performances I have ever seen.
Auburn entered half in control. Came out, out of sorts. Wild driving. throwing shots over the hoop.
Pearl has as roster of about 10 guys that are 25 years old. ANd he chooses to ride the 18 year old freshman Pettiford who ray Charles could tell you is a disaster tonight.
Somehow they still have a chance thanks to Florida fumbling enough balls out of bounds
Broome also mostly playing awful.
Bad news refs
Wow. That was a crazy review sequence.
Is Broome on the take??
This is a pathetic half
Where do people see broome ceiiing in the nba? Obviously a top 5 college player but seems like a bit of misfit for the nba.
What's the call on the floor?
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 05, 2025, 07:24:01 PMClearly banged up
I mean there's banged up and then there's this.
Guy is doing bizarre dribbles at his ankles every possession until they poke it away
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 07:27:21 PMWhere do people see broome ceiiing in the nba? Obviously a top 5 college player but seems like a bit of misfit for the nba.
Ya. Not a lot of people are high on him.
That touched him , but I knew they wouldn't change it
Uhhhh....that Clayton guy is pretty good.
Dagger
Florida deserved this one.
Golden and Clayton got it done.
Pearl and Broome shrunk.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 07:29:48 PMUhhhh....that Clayton guy is pretty good.
Should be top 5 pic. Has looked like curry in this tournament. Most dominant individual tournament run since Brunson in 18
Pearl is going to take timeouts into the offseason.
something broke in Auburn at half
That double dribble sums it up
Broome reminds of Dixon with a supporting cast
Clayton has essentially won 3 tournament games for Florida. Of course he's gotten some help, but the guy has been incredible.
Who's the NASCAR guy playing for Florida?
Seriously did Pearl do anything this half?
They get the tie up down 5. Have TO's. Just lets Kelly get a fading shot in the corner with 27 seconds to play with.
Acted like it was end of the clock
This wasn't a great coaching job from Pearl.
Auburn scoop is probably calling for him to be fired. Want Brad Stevens.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 07:43:48 PMThis wasn't a great coaching job from Pearl.
That's a shame.
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 07:45:20 PMAuburn scoop is probably calling for him to be fired. Want Brad Stevens.
Lol.
Is there a guard you'd take ahead of Clayton in the draft? No one is coming to the top of my head . Including Harper.
They project Clayton as a late 1st or even 2nd rd pick. What am I missing?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 05, 2025, 07:33:50 PMBroome reminds of Dixon with a supporting cast
Not a bad description. Or how about a thug body guard for Mike Tyson.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 07:54:09 PMThey project Clayton as a late 1st or even 2nd rd pick. What am I missing?
He's 22 and 6'3". Certainly not saying he's without value, but you have a 19 year old, 6'6" Tre Johnson out there who is an absolute scoring machine.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 05, 2025, 07:55:39 PMNot a bad description. Or how about a thug body guard for Mike Tyson.
WTH are you rambling about?
It was an entertaining game overall, but outside of Clayton Jr, it was ugly and tight/anxious basketball from both teams the last 5 min. Nobody else wanted the moment It was a slog.
The Final Four - two teams coached by guys who were banned from coaching for three years for cheating, another guy investigated for trolling coeds and a program that was the master of underground payments to players for 20 years! The current world of college basketball
Nm
Quote from: JWags85 on April 05, 2025, 07:58:29 PMIt was an entertaining game overall, but outside of Clayton Jr, it was ugly and tight/anxious basketball from both teams the last 5 min. Nobody else wanted the moment It was a slog.
Well said, JWags.
Man, the tv coverage is brutal. Jay is obviously an outsider whose role is to laugh at the co-panelists.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on April 05, 2025, 08:11:37 PMMan, the tv coverage is brutal. Jay is obviously an outsider whose role is to laugh at the co-panelists.
It's terrible. WTF did Barkley just say?
Looking forward to this one. Houston is tough. I wonder if Maluach will get angry at the physicality?
In the willie-to-English dictionary, "thug" is defined as any Black guy.
Am I the only one who thinks Houston is going win tonight? Not sure Duke is physically ready for them.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 05, 2025, 07:57:21 PMHe's 22 and 6'3". Certainly not saying he's without value, but you have a 19 year old, 6'6" Tre Johnson out there who is an absolute scoring machine.
I realize that's a big part of it.
Quote from: BM1090 on April 05, 2025, 08:26:16 PMAm I the only one who thinks Houston is going win tonight? Not sure Duke is physically ready for them.
You are not alone.
Quote from: BM1090 on April 05, 2025, 08:26:16 PMAm I the only one who thinks Houston is going win tonight? Not sure Duke is physically ready for them.
It's gonna be really interesting. I don't think they've seen anything like Houston defensively or on the glass. The question is can Houston score enough?
Maluach doesn't get calls. It's not his fault he's larger than everybody.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on April 05, 2025, 08:28:14 PMYou are not alone.
I'm hoping that Houston wins. I have met Dukies, and they can give Domers a run for their money when it comes to being insufferably smug and pretentious.
Is the average age of Houston's starting line up 28?
Duke has the D to combat Houstons defensive style
But does Duke have the rebounding and maturity?
If DUke limits the rushed passes and D rebounds they are clearly the superior team. But no guarantee they do that
There was never an under 16 media timeout.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 05, 2025, 08:37:25 PMDuke has the D to combat Houstons defensive style
But does Duke have the rebounding and maturity?
If DUke limits the rushed passes and D rebounds they are clearly the superior team. But no guarantee they do that
They have way more size. Houston has bricked a number of open looks.
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 08:41:31 PMThere was never an under 16 media timeout.
Seriously? Who's in charge? Dismiss him immediately?
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 08:41:31 PMThere was never an under 16 media timeout.
There will be another timeout on the next dead ball though.
What just happened there?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 08:45:34 PMWhat just happened there?
They took care of the under 16 media timeout.
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 08:46:14 PMThey took care of the under 16 media timeout.
Ridiculous.
Dude just needs to go up and flush that. Lost focus.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 08:47:23 PMRidiculous.
CBS is paying over $1 billion for the tourney. No commercial breaks are going to be missed
Duke might win this one big. Houston just can't score.
Duke vs Uconn last year would be fun
Quote from: The Sultan on April 05, 2025, 08:51:49 PMDuke might win this one big. Houston just can't score.
They're crazy tight right now. They better wake up or the floodgates could open.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 05, 2025, 08:51:49 PMDuke might win this one big. Houston just can't score.
They can't yet. Lots of time. They've had 4-5 go in and out.
But they don't seem locked in right now and that has to change.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 08:47:23 PMRidiculous.
Muggsy, you need to focus. It is all about the Benjamins.
I am not seeing softness or inability to compete on the boards from Duke.
Houston with 6 very important uncontested points.
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 08:56:51 PMI am not seeing softness or inability to compete on the boards from Duke.
Nope. They've been good, especially on the offensive end
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 08:55:09 PMMuggsy, you need to focus. It is all about the Benjamins.
I'm 100% focused.
Duke is still a little tight on O themselves leading to this run
If that proctor 3 fell when it was 18-9 it was trending to curtains. But it popped out and Duke has been out of control since.
Houston, we have a problem?
Starting to think I was wrong about Houston.
I'm holding out hope they will figure it out. Not looking great so far.
One Battle After Another may be worth seeing.
Duke is rollin, size,talent and ten guys that could start
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 09:12:21 PMOne Battle After Another may be worth seeing.
Need those gun shots connecting with some wild life tho right
Down 6 is as good as Houston could have asked for after their shooting performance.
Houston fortunate to be only down 6. Three huge triples in the last 4 mins.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on April 05, 2025, 09:16:40 PMNeed those gun shots connecting with some wild life tho right
That's uncalled for. Respect the non-human animal kingdom.
Nm
Cryer is on 🔥.
8/8 elight eight
4/4 final four
2/2 finals
I like my bracket
Extremely impressive performance by Flagg.
Duke is really good. Scheyer done a great job there.
Houstons only prayer is hitting 3 pt prayers
When do refs blow whistle for injury behind the play?
I remember multiple times chase or Stevie down and no whistle
Duke is doing a tremendous job of attacking their physicality in lieu of reacting to it. They're taking it right at them with force.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 05, 2025, 10:02:04 PMDuke is really good. Scheyer done a great job there.
Which is rather unbelievable considering they have three guys who are transfer mercenaries. Exception to the rule, I guess.
Moronic play from Gillis.
They missed that call. Wow.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 05, 2025, 10:07:40 PMWhich is rather unbelievable considering they have three guys who are transfer mercenaries. Exception to the rule, I guess.
Well, they aren't great because of Gillis, James, and Brown - though James has been a really good addition. Flagg, Kon, Malauch are studs at their positions, and the reason they are elite.
This just got a lot more interesting.
THis is a team wide meltdown
Maluach is unfairly reffed imo.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 05, 2025, 10:18:40 PMWell, they aren't great because of Gillis, James, and Brown - though James has been a really good addition. Flagg, Kon, Malauch are studs at their positions, and the reason they are elite.
No, but those guys filled holes in the roster and give Duke more depth and flexibility with their lineups and rotations
What a horrific play from Procter.
Another phantom foul on Maluach.
Refs waited for the shot to miss to call the foul
Wow.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 05, 2025, 10:26:16 PMNo, but those guys filled holes in the roster and give Duke more depth and flexibility with their lineups and rotations
Depth is overrated.
They seriously have to do something about the 2 min reviews. It's absurd.
Omg.
This game is bonkers!
Is wojo coaching these inbounding plays?
Awful call there.
Not looking good for the Scheyer can coach crowd.
This is an all time collapse holy sh it
Can't make that foul call.........definitely a play on.
Duke not executing down the stretch
What a game
Wow, just wow.
Quote from: MuMark on April 05, 2025, 10:48:12 PMCan't make that foul call.........definitely a play on.
Duke not executing down the stretch
I don't think it was close to being a foul.
They'll be talking about this one for some time.
That was your championship
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 10:50:44 PMI don't think it was close to being a foul.
It wasn't.......but they had plenty of chances to win.......credit to Houston but that one will hurt Duke.....game was in their grasp
Never a doubt. Hope Houston can finish this run
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 05, 2025, 10:52:52 PMThat was your championship
Best two teams, but Florida has enough to beat Houston. Should be fun.
https://x.com/EvanMiya/status/1908729733845557280?t=BTTIEAQO7GF-v4S1qQ6ldQ&s=19
That was a crazy collapse.
Feel bad for Duke - Never should have been a foul called on Flagg on the FT rebound scenario. Houston with a massive horsehoe up their ass to win that game.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 05, 2025, 10:47:27 PMNot looking good for the Scheyer can coach crowd.
Deer in the headlights
Quote from: MuMark on April 05, 2025, 10:53:38 PMIt wasn't.......but they had plenty of chances to win.......credit to Houston but that one will hurt Duke.....game was in their grasp
No doubt.
Procter killed them today!
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 10:50:44 PMI don't think it was close to being a foul.
It wasn't. Duke was up 14 and pissed away but that was fuckin disgraceful call right there sick
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 05, 2025, 10:58:07 PMProcter killed them today!
Yup he was awful. Cryer and Sharp totally outplayed Proctor and James.
Experience helps. Duke lacked experience.
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 05, 2025, 10:56:56 PMDeer in the headlights
Felt he should have called timeout before Roberts shot the front end of that 1 and 1, when Houston was down 1, despite only having the one time out. Making the kid think about it for another couple of minutes in that situation is tough, even if it cost you burning your last timeout.
Scheyer can recruit, but I'm still not convinced he's a very good coach.
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/1908730443882541071?t=RDy-M0d8ldfhNT9cO481_A&s=19
Where coaching matters, and why Sampson might be the best in the NCAA.
You have to both draw up inbounds plays, and put guys on the floor who can execute inbounds plays late in the game.
That stuff matters big time, and Houston got here with an important inbound play against Purdue. Duke totally melted down, guys in bad spots, poor play designs, you could see they had zero confidence in inbounding the ball.
Quote from: jesmu84 on April 05, 2025, 11:01:57 PMhttps://x.com/jeffborzello/status/1908730443882541071?t=RDy-M0d8ldfhNT9cO481_A&s=19
That's insane.
Proctor couldn't have played much worse. I called my son and told him Proctor was gonna miss that FT. Just one big play in an epic choke by him and his Dookies.
Though I'm not gonna say this "proves" Scheyer can't coach - just as Sampson never before reaching the title game didn't prove he couldn't coach - but Duke's failure to execute down the stretch certainly was a major mark against him.
Oh, and Duke obviously needs more bangers.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 10:58:13 PMIt wasn't. Duke was up 14 and pissed away but that was fuckin disgraceful call right there sick
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 10:58:13 PMIt wasn't. Duke was up 14 and pissed away but that was fuckin disgraceful call right there sick
If you recall when they were up 14, Houston had a 6 point possession. Why? Gillis made a moronic decision elbowing a guy. Big turning point in the game.
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2025, 11:25:19 PMProctor couldn't have played much worse. I called my son and told him Proctor was gonna miss that FT. Just one big play in an epic choke by him and his Dookies.
Though I'm not gonna say this "proves" Scheyer can't coach - just as Sampson never before reaching the title game didn't prove he couldn't coach - but Duke's failure to execute down the stretch certainly was a major mark against him.
Oh, and Duke obviously needs more bangers.
Houston going 10-22 from deep was gargantuan. And Cryer and Sharp had mammoth games.
Question:
Does Houston have an NBA player on their roster?
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2025, 11:25:19 PMProctor couldn't have played much worse. I called my son and told him Proctor was gonna miss that FT. Just one big play in an epic choke by him and his Dookies.
Though I'm not gonna say this "proves" Scheyer can't coach - just as Sampson never before reaching the title game didn't prove he couldn't coach - but Duke's failure to execute down the stretch certainly was a major mark against him.
Oh, and Duke obviously needs more bangers.
Scheyer's coaching strategy of "Proctor & gamble" not looking too good though.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 05, 2025, 07:16:33 PMBut he's a transfer mercenary
We get it. You want Shaka to take transfers. It's getting old.
Duke's last rebound of the game came at 3:24.
There were 7 rebound attempts the final 3:24, Houston grabbed all of them.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on April 05, 2025, 08:32:52 PMIs the average age of Houston's starting line up 28?
Says a Creighton fan. :P
Even though that 'foul' by Flagg was probably a bad call, I don't think it totally decided the game. On the 'foul', Houston got the rebound anyway so they would've had the last shot.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 11:24:21 PMThat's insane.
Hearing Kelvin Sampson after the game, it kind of gave me Al, Butch, and Bo 1977 momentum/ destiny vibes from after the UNC-Charlotte game. Wouldn't bet against them now on Monday.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on April 05, 2025, 10:59:57 PMFelt he should have called timeout before Roberts shot the front end of that 1 and 1, when Houston was down 1, despite only having the one time out. Making the kid think about it for another couple of minutes in that situation is tough, even if it cost you burning your last timeout.
Loose definition of the word "kid".
This tournament just always delivers. Even years like this where upsets and close games are not as frequent. Such a great event
Pretty sure MU SID, Scott Kuykendall was driving the golf cart with Coach, Cooper and Kon after the game. Saw it on Twitter
Quote from: wadesworld on April 05, 2025, 11:41:25 PMWe get it. You want Shaka to take transfers. It's getting old.
Yes it is getting old both ways. Shaka not taking transfers that are studs to help the team advance further is getting old also.
Lets see how he does next year owning that philosophy and playing with his own developed guys. What any coach did three years ago vs. Where the team is currently is what is really relevant. Look at the landscape Shaka and adjust, rather than waiting for lightning to strike once or maybe twice(as Stevie Nicks would say) As Tower would say "Saddle up or die" Shaka. Adapt to the landscape.
Love it too how this tournament makes relative unknown names to casual fans at least, to nationally known such as Clayton. What a clutch and impressive player he is. Love watching him.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 06, 2025, 06:52:10 AMYes it is getting old both ways. Shaka not taking transfers that are studs to help the team advance further is getting old also.
Lets see how he does next year owning that philosophy and playing with his own developed guys. What any coach did three years ago vs. Where the team is currently is what is really relevant. Look at the landscape Shaka and adjust, rather than waiting for lightning to strike once or maybe twice(as Stevie Nicks would say) As Tower would say "Saddle up or die" Shaka. Adapt to the landscape.
The quote was 'Saddle up. Ride or die'. The implication was that I was all in on the team.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 05, 2025, 11:31:36 PMIf you recall when they were up 14, Houston had a 6 point possession. Why? Gillis made a moronic decision elbowing a guy. Big turning point in the game.
It's a rule, but that was a box out, not a moronic decision. It changed the game.
I really hope Sampson and Houston pulls this out on Monday. The work he has done in Houston ranks as one of the best, and yet completely underated coaching jobs of the last few decades. Houston was a disaster when he took it over - they had made one tournament since 1992. (Backed in by winning the CUSA tournament in Tom Penders' final year in 2010.)
Right after he took the gig, he stood next to me in the trams at the ATL airport with his "UH" shirt on. Completely anonymous and flying commercial to recruit somewhere. And a decade later he's playing for a championship.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2025, 07:48:18 AMI really hope Sampson and Houston pulls this out on Monday. The work he has done in Houston ranks as one of the best, and yet completely underated coaching jobs of the last few decades. Houston was a disaster when he took it over - they had made one tournament since 1992. (Backed in by winning the CUSA tournament in Tom Penders' final year in 2010.)
Right after he took the gig, he stood next to me in the trams at the ATL airport with his "UH" shirt on. Completely anonymous and flying commercial to recruit somewhere. And a decade later he's playing for a championship.
Sampson is good at cheating. Sure, he's been caught for some of it and essentially banned for five years, but he's gotten away with a lot. Crown him.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 06, 2025, 07:54:51 AMSampson is good at cheating. Sure, he's been caught for some of it and essentially banned for five years, but he's gotten away with a lot. Crown him.
Yeah, I don't care about any of that. The last few years has shown that was always folly.
The new basketball climate with the transfer portal has made the college game more one-sided. Now the top teams like Duke and Connecticut can get several five-star freshman and compliment them with experienced transfers the same year. Calipari with Kentucky didn't have that luxury but now he does at Arkansas assuming he gets the top freshman. Cryer the Houston guard won a championship at Baylor and has a chance to to duplicate that with Houston. Making the NCAA tournament sure but getting to the final four will be much more difficult
Quote from: AlienWarrior on April 06, 2025, 08:51:54 AMThe new basketball climate with the transfer portal has made the college game more one-sided. Now the top teams like Duke and Connecticut can get several five-star freshman and compliment them with experienced transfers the same year. Calipari with Kentucky didn't have that luxury but now he does at Arkansas assuming he gets the top freshman. Cryer the Houston guard won a championship at Baylor and has a chance to to duplicate that with Houston. Making the NCAA tournament sure but getting to the final four will be much more difficult
And Cryer played a total of 8 minutes, all in mop up time, in Baylor's NCAA tournament run. If you can recruit well, develop well, and hold onto your players, you can get talent.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2025, 08:58:18 AMAnd Cryer played a total of 8 minutes, all in mop up time, in Baylor's NCAA tournament run. If you can recruit well, develop well, and hold onto your players, you can get talent.
Wait! I thought it was established that the correct phrase is
mope up time. ;D
Kudos to Houston for their phenomenal comeback W. Sampson built that team. And I love solid defense.
I would think Sampson gets into the Hall of Fame. I get his issues from the past but you do have to admire what he's done. It's crazy to think they've lost one gane since the conference schedule, in the B12, and that was in overtime. I was impressed with Houston's relentless tenacity and poise. That said, Duke had a cataclysmic meltdown. The last time I remember something sort of like this was Memphis with that Derrick Rose team vs Kansas.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 06, 2025, 09:22:53 AMI would think Sampson gets into the Hall of Fame. I get his issues from the past but you do have to admire what he's done. It's crazy to think they've lost one gane since the conference schedule, in the B12, and that was in overtime. I was impressed with Houston's relentless tenacity and poise. That said, Duke had a cataclysmic meltdown. The last time I remember something sort of like this was Memphis with that Derrick Rose team vs Kansas.
That's why I liked Houston last night. Duke is very young and I expected that if it came down to the wire, they would not be able to execute as well as the more experienced team. I also liked the physicality of Houston but Duke surprised me in that regard. Two really good teams.
Congrats to the lineup of 25-year-olds
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2025, 08:58:18 AMAnd Cryer played a total of 8 minutes, all in mop up time, in Baylor's NCAA tournament run. If you can recruit well, develop well, and hold onto your players, you can get talent.
Cryer played two more years at Baylor and was their leading scorer. It's not Ike he came to UH as a bench warmer, he was all-conference when he left Baylor.
Uzan was also a transfer after two years at Oklahoma where he started every game last season and 24/32 as a freshman.
They also had Mylik Wison who transferred in as a senior after being at two schools and has been a key bench contributor all season and during this tourney run (last night was his worst game of the tournament).
Both Cryer and Uzan said they took less money because they believed in what Sampson could do for their development. And here I've been told it's just about going to the highest bidder.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 06, 2025, 11:01:04 AMCryer played two more years at Baylor and was their leading scorer. It's not Ike he came to UH as a bunch warmer, he was all-conference when he left Baylor.
Uzan was also a transfer after two years at Oklahoma where he started every game last season and 24/32 as a freshman.
Both said they took less money because they believed in what Sampson could do for their development. And here Ive been told it's just about going to the highest bidder
Hey look! Another post from Billy about good players who transferred! Maybe this is the one that'll convince Shaka to take transfers!
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 06, 2025, 11:01:04 AMCryer played two more years at Baylor and was their leading scorer. It's not Ike he came to UH as a bunch warmer, he was all-conference when he left Baylor.
I never claimed he was a bench warmer when he came to Houston.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2025, 11:04:03 AMI never claimed he was a bench warmer when he came to Houston.
But that's not what Billy said. He specifically said "bunch" warmer. And he clearly has helped Houston a bunch.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 06, 2025, 09:22:53 AMI would think Sampson gets into the Hall of Fame. I get his issues from the past but you do have to admire what he's done. It's crazy to think they've lost one gane since the conference schedule, in the B12, and that was in overtime. I was impressed with Houston's relentless tenacity and poise. That said, Duke had a cataclysmic meltdown. The last time I remember something sort of like this was Memphis with that Derrick Rose team vs Kansas.
Didn't help that the Duke guy you have been slobbering about for the past two weeks, 7ft 2, 260lbs Malauch, played 21 minutes and did not record a single rebound. Thats terrible.
Perhaps he was told pregame he was being deported.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2025, 06:59:16 AMThe quote was 'Saddle up. Ride or die'. The implication was that I was all in on the team.
Fine. I am also suggesting that it also applies to Shaka's current portal policies. If you are all in on the team, it dies with the New Mexico loss and season ending flameout and the team being Shaka's weakest since year 1. Surely you can see that. Saddle up Shaka, adapt or die. Next year looks like more of a slide, right now, until Shaka changes.
Quote from: nyg on April 06, 2025, 11:54:03 AMDidn't help that the Duke guy you have been slobbering about for the past two weeks, 7ft 2, 260lbs Malauch, played 21 minutes and did not record a single rebound. Thats terrible.
100%.
The two main Duke-related things that really hit home while watching the game:
++ Malauch was overmatched. He was bullied down low all game, couldn't box out anyone, and often looked exhausted even though he didn't play that much. He'll still be a high draft pick on size, youth and potential, but he needs a lot of work to become an NBA impact player.
++ Proctor, as mentioned by several Scoopers, absolutely killed Duke. He went from video-game Steph in Duke's first couple of NCAAT games, to OK Jop in the next two, to Jon Starks in this one. By the end, he was passing up wide-open 3s (when he wasn't missing a crucial FT).
Meanwhile, Cryer, who was 3-for-13 from 3 in the previous two games and was especially bad as Houston nearly lost to Purdue, was absurdly hot and had a great game that included a 6-point possession.
And that's how a game decided on a razor-thin margin swings to one team.
Quote from: nyg on April 06, 2025, 11:54:03 AMDidn't help that the Duke guy you have been slobbering about for the past two weeks, 7ft 2, 260lbs Malauch, played 21 minutes and did not record a single rebound. Thats terrible.
He played poorly and was also officiated poorly. Although I may be biased.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 06, 2025, 01:37:11 PMHe played poorly and was also officiated poorly. Although I may be biased.
Your obsession with refs, calls, non calls and hundreds of posts in almost every game thread, MU or not is well known. The refs did not affect him grabbing a basketball. He was just non existent for his team last night. He will declare for draft and some team will take a high flyer on him because he does have skills and the height.
Quote from: nyg on April 06, 2025, 01:46:28 PMYour obsession with refs, calls, non calls and hundreds of posts in almost every game thread, MU or not is well known. The refs did not affect him grabbing a basketball. He was just non existent for his team last night. He will declare for draft and some team will take a high flyer on him because he does have skills and the height.
He was boxed out regularly and was was outphysicaled in a game the refs really let contact go.
I think Big Cat tweeted it, but I thought the same thing last night.
Coach K was probably thrilled with what happened last night.
Quote from: nyg on April 06, 2025, 01:46:28 PMYour obsession with refs, calls, non calls and hundreds of posts in almost every game thread, MU or not is well known. The refs did not affect him grabbing a basketball. He was just non existent for his team last night. He will declare for draft and some team will take a high flyer on him because he does have skills and the height.
Has the final score of a game
ever been changed because of a review of a ref's call? Obsession is the perfect word to describe his posting history. It certainly is not rational.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 06, 2025, 04:31:29 PMHas the final score of a game ever been changed because of a review of a ref's call? Obsession is the perfect word to describe his posting history. It certainly is not rational.
Blaming the refs are for people who lack both perspective and a real understanding of basketball.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 06, 2025, 10:56:57 AMCongrats to the lineup of 25-year-olds
Average age of Florida and Houston starting lineup: 21.6 years old.
Marquette's starting lineup is older than both.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2025, 04:33:28 PMBlaming the refs are for people who lack both perspective and a real understanding of basketball.
But there was still bad officiating. Duke gagged and Houston deserved to win, but these guys make a lot of horrid calls.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 06, 2025, 06:03:58 PMBut there was still bad officiating. Duke gagged and Houston deserved to win, but these guys make a lot of horrid calls.
Welcome to college basketball! Are you new here?
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2025, 01:15:56 PM100%.
The two main Duke-related things that really hit home while watching the game:
++ Proctor, as mentioned by several Scoopers, absolutely killed Duke. He went from video-game Steph in Duke's first couple of NCAAT games, to OK Jop in the next two, to Jon Starks in this one. By the end, he was passing up wide-open 3s (when he wasn't missing a crucial FT).
Just as crucial as the missed front end of the one-and-one (ask Texas Tech about those) was his baseline drive where he dribbled the ball off his leg and out of bounds with under 2 minutes left and Duke up 7. On the next possession Houston got two FTs to cut the lead to 5. A game to forget for Proctor.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2025, 06:16:52 PMWelcome to college basketball! Are you new here?
Refs need to do better Fluffy. The fact that they consistently suck is a problem.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 06, 2025, 06:35:07 PMRefs need to do better Fluffy. The fact that they consistently suck is a problem.
Centralize the sport as hire more officials. Make it a full-time gig with constant evaluation. Until that happens, it'll continue to be bad or inconsistent.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2025, 07:09:46 PMCentralize the sport as hire more officials. Make it a full-time gig with constant evaluation. Until that happens, it'll continue to be bad or inconsistent.
Agreed.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2025, 07:09:46 PMCentralize the sport as hire more officials. Make it a full-time gig with constant evaluation. Until that happens, it'll continue to be bad or inconsistent.
I agree, but I still think the improvements will be viewed as marginal.
When I watch a game I'm truly impartial about, my observations of bad calls goes down by about 90%.
Jason Whitlock has identified the obvious problem with poor officiating in college basketball.
https://x.com/WhitlockJason/status/1908910843191779351
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2025, 07:09:46 PMCentralize the sport as hire more officials. Make it a full-time gig with constant evaluation. Until that happens, it'll continue to be bad or inconsistent.
I will say that I have noticed that refs do not pack their schedules as much as they used to. I wonder if conferences are paying them more, but with the stipulation that they work less games.
It's hard to make them full time employees though.
Guessing Florida and Houston wish they would've just punted their conference tournaments so they'd have a shot to make a run in the NCAA Tournament. Asking these kids to play 3-4 days in a row, then get 4-5 days off and have to play in the NCAA Tournament is just too much for 18-23 year olds these days.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2025, 09:27:35 AMGuessing Florida and Houston wish they would've just punted their conference tournaments so they'd have a shot to make a run in the NCAA Tournament. Asking these kids to play 3-4 days in a row, then get 4-5 days off and have to play in the NCAA Tournament is just too much for 18-23 year olds these days.
Ha! Yep. That narrative is ridiculously silly.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 09:17:24 AMJason Whitlock has identified the obvious problem with poor officiating in college basketball.
https://x.com/WhitlockJason/status/1908910843191779351
Mr. Whitlock:
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2025, 12:25:51 PMMr. Whitlock:
Even that would be generous for what he typically spews.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 07, 2025, 12:44:45 PMEven that would be generous for what he typically spews.
I can't say I have read or listened to much he's said since he left ESPN and the Sports Reporters, but I can't imagine a more deranged take than that.
What a douchenozzle.
Whitlock knows his audience
An audience of douchenozzles.
And dentists.
Men's NCAA Tournament has its biggest TV audience since 2019 - 18.9M viewers. Helped by the earlier tip-off, perhaps?
Quote from: MU82 on April 09, 2025, 09:37:39 AMMen's NCAA Tournament has its biggest TV audience since 2019 - 18.9M viewers. Helped by the earlier tip-off, perhaps?
Going chalk helps.
Quote from: MU82 on April 09, 2025, 09:37:39 AMMen's NCAA Tournament has its biggest TV audience since 2019 - 18.9M viewers. Helped by the earlier tip-off, perhaps?
I heard NIL and transfer portal ruined college athletics.