First off, I am not trashing Clark, what so ever, only seen him play once, was impressed at the scrimmage. It's to bad he redshirted, he might have helped. He might be the best player in the conference 4 years from now. Can not teach height. Amadou and Hamilton have a long way to go.
Assuming they stay, I trust Shaka and company to get them there.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 16, 2025, 03:25:38 PMFirst off, I am not trashing Clark, what so ever, only seen him play once, was impressed at the scrimmage. It's to bad he redshirted, he might have helped. He might be the best player in the conference 4 years from now. Can not teach height. Amadou and Hamilton have a long way to go.
Interesting, interesting ...
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 16, 2025, 12:19:52 PMClark is interesting since not one major school in Texas offered him a scholarship, interesting
Really, truly interesting.
Interesting.
For a team so desperate for help on the front line, they sure could've used Clark or Amadou. Very telling about their skill set if they red shirt given the current depth chart.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 16, 2025, 05:27:57 PMFor a team so desperate for help on the front line, they sure could've used Clark or Amadou. Very telling about their skill set if they red shirt given the current depth chart.
That's right. Because players, especially bigs, don't take time to develop. :o :o :o :o
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 16, 2025, 05:27:57 PMFor a team so desperate for help on the front line, they sure could've used Clark or Amadou. Very telling about their skill set if they red shirt given the current depth chart.
...hey Panda, trust Shaka... or get scolded by Tower, 82 and Sultan...and called Bif by VanderBlueMan. Clark, Amadou, Hamilton and Gold shall lead us to the promised land next season, bro! Tre Norman and the diminutive Sean Jones gonna be assist machines feeding our bigs. Come on man, can't you see this? Jones on the bust out over to Gold for the 3-bomb...book it!! Wow, what a play by Norman...the sweet no-look dish to Hamilton for the tomahawk slammer!!
Quote from: Viper on March 16, 2025, 06:45:31 PM...hey Panda, trust Shaka... or get scolded by Tower, 82 and Sultan...and called Bif by VanderBlueMan. Clark, Amadou, Hamilton and Gold shall lead us to the promised land next season, bro! Tre Norman and the diminutive Sean Jones gonna be assist machines feeding our bigs. Come on man, can't you see this? Jones on the bust out over to Gold for the 3-bomb...book it!! Wow, what a play by Norman...the sweet no-look dish to Hamilton for the tomahawk slammer!!
You OK?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2025, 06:32:28 PMThat's right. Because players, especially bigs, don't take time to develop. :o :o :o :o
It's a new dawn in college hoops. Why tie up a roster spot for 2-3 years before a guys transfers down to a more fitting level, ie keeyan, when you can sign a transfer with immediate eligibility who already has played/succeeded for at least one season in college?
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 16, 2025, 07:11:26 PMIt's a new dawn in college hoops. Why tie up a roster spot for 2-3 years before a guys transfers down to a more fitting level, ie keeyan, when you can sign a transfer with immediate eligibility who already has played/succeeded for at least one season in college?
Shaka has his reasons. I have no reason not to support until it shows it doesn't work.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2025, 07:12:14 PMShaka has his reasons. I have no reason not to support until it shows it doesn't work.
To be fair, he did take several transfers in year 1 given roster turnover and what would be a disjointed rotation without unheralded.
I expect him to make similar additions this off season via the portal given the current roster makeup.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 16, 2025, 07:15:49 PMTo be fair, he did take several transfers in year 1 given roster turnover and what would be a disjointed rotation without unheralded.
I expect him to make similar additions this off season via the portal given the current roster makeup.
He won't.
And he shouldn't.
IMO, he shouldn't change until it's demonstrated his system/approach doesn't work.
I'm also the least confident, when comparing all of shakas years, about next year succeeding at prior levels.
It's like a post, but almost without words. Zero meaning; complete blabber. Props, yo.
I love that people are pissed about a 7 seed and 4 straight NCAA appearances. I think next year is going to be difficult to make the NCAA...after that...I believe the future is bright.
BC...what makes you think Shaka would be dumb enough to redshirt an impact player? If he's ever the best player in the BEAST, it will be because of Shaka and his growth (red shirt season included).
I am surprised Marquette and Shaka have not struck more gold on true bigs given his track record with Texas. Most fans seem to be very pleased with Shaka and his success (myself included). It's only natural to examine areas that need improvement to progress further in March, and we have to keep looking up front first.
I think if Shaka wants to make the tournament next year he might have to have to bite the bullet and scour the transfer portal to bring in a stop gap while the projects develop more.
Quote from: Markusquette on March 16, 2025, 07:40:54 PMI am surprised Marquette and Shaka have not struck more gold on true bigs given his track record with Texas. Most fans seem to be very pleased with Shaka and his success (myself included). It's only natural to examine areas that need improvement to progress further in March, and we have to keep looking up front first.
I think if Shaka wants to make the tournament next year he might have to have to bite the bullet and scour the transfer portal to bring in a stop gap while the projects develop more.
Agreed. I just think it is a more complicated situation. I'm good if MU struggles next year, guys get developmental minutes, future years look bright, and Shaka can still look at recruits and promote he won't hit the portal on them.
The minute he hits the portal, I think his recruiting capability takes a bit of a hit.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 16, 2025, 07:28:21 PMI love that people are pissed about a 7 seed and 4 straight NCAA appearances. I think next year is going to be difficult to make the NCAA...after that...I believe the future is bright.
BC...what makes you think Shaka would be dumb enough to redshirt an impact player? If he's ever the best player in the BEAST, it will be because of Shaka and his growth (red shirt season included).
I think the reason for this is because it was two 2 seeds followed by a top 5 ranking to start this season (super high expectations) followed be a slow and steady decline to a 7 seed.
If Marquette achieved a 7 seed in the opposite way as this season, people would be speaking much more positively about everything
Quote from: avid1010 on March 16, 2025, 07:28:21 PMI love that people are pissed about a 7 seed and 4 straight NCAA appearances. I think next year is going to be difficult to make the NCAA...after that...I believe the future is bright.
BC...what makes you think Shaka would be dumb enough to redshirt an impact player? If he's ever the best player in the BEAST, it will be because of Shaka and his growth (red shirt season included).
At the scrimmage he looked better than the bigs that did not redshirt, plus his size. Sure he would of had some trouble but has to be better then Hamilton, if worse that's a problem going forward
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 16, 2025, 07:25:25 PMHe won't.
And he shouldn't.
IMO, he shouldn't change until it's demonstrated his system/approach doesn't work.
I'm also the least confident, when comparing all of shakas years, about next year succeeding at prior levels.
That's a very reasonable stance, but I truly don't see someone as competive and intelligent as Shaka taking a dive on next year because he doesn't want to recruit over players.
He will take multi year transfer players who fit into the culture and system of the program the same way he is recruiting hs guys.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 16, 2025, 08:12:00 PMAt the scrimmage he looked better than the bigs that did not redshirt, plus his size. Sure he would of had some trouble but has to be better then Hamilton, if worse that's a problem going forward
Come on. He didn't look better than anyone. Shaka had the offense make an adjustment, and he put down a bunch of alley oops. Prior to that he wasn't doing anything, and based on that, you think he should be playing? Ask someone who's been to practices what they think. This is comical.
Is viper just rocket?
Owens was reportedly our second best player in the scrimmages before the season. He certainly hasn't looked that in the season. It's almost like an offseason scrimmage is a bit different than a Big East game.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 16, 2025, 09:09:40 PMOwens was reportedly our second best player in the scrimmages before the season. He certainly hasn't looked that in the season. It's almost like an offseason scrimmage is a bit different than a Big East game.
It is almost like he missed nearly two months of preseason work due to two injuries. Groin and foot.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 16, 2025, 08:12:00 PMAt the scrimmage he looked better than the bigs that did not redshirt, plus his size. Sure he would of had some trouble but has to be better then Hamilton, if worse that's a problem going forward
So the fact that Gold far outplayed Crowl head-to-head in a rivalry game in December doesn't mean anything, but what a freshman did in an intrasquad scrimmage in October means everything? OK then.
Quote from: tower912 on March 16, 2025, 09:21:19 PMIt is almost like he missed nearly two months of preseason work due to two injuries. Groin and foot.
I don't think the rest of the roster developed so much that he went from truly being the second best player on MU's roster to looking mostly overwhelmed this season, nor do I think his injuries were that catastrophic that he lost that much ability. I think he probably simply was never one of the two best players on MU's roster, and that intrasquad scrimmages aren't Big East level competitiveness.
Do Shaka's comments recently that the 2nd team has been outplaying the 1st team in practice carry any weight for the future?
To win in a one-and-done tournament go with experience over potential.
I doubt he sees the cubbord quite as empty as some people on this board.
Quote from: RubyWiscy on March 16, 2025, 10:10:36 PMDo Shaka's comments recently that the 2nd team has been outplaying the 1st team in practice carry any weight for the future?
To win in a one-and-done tournament go with experience over potential.
I doubt he sees the cubbord quite as empty as some people on this board.
If the 2nd team comment is true, does that mean Sean is leading them?
Quote from: RubyWiscy on March 16, 2025, 10:10:36 PMDo Shaka's comments recently that the 2nd team has been outplaying the 1st team in practice carry any weight for the future?
To win in a one-and-done tournament go with experience over potential.
I doubt he sees the cubbord quite as empty as some people on this board.
Those comments were made in February, when our starting five actually did suck. They've turned the corner a bit in the last few weeks. If the bench is STILL outperforming them, then maybe there's more hope for next year than originally thought.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on March 18, 2025, 11:39:40 AMThose comments were made in February, when our starting five actually did suck. They've turned the corner a bit in the last few weeks. If the bench is STILL outperforming them, then maybe there's more hope for next year than originally thought.
"There is always hope" - Gandalf