When Kentucky blew out MU with its size in the mid 70's, Al realized he needed some muscle. So, he was able to bring in Jerome Whitehead to compete against the opponent's physicality. Shaka is not a fan of bringing in transfers and the NIL environment may make such a player unavailable, but we can't compete with teams who get so many shots so close to the basket. Incoming class has more quality athletes, but no big body. The game now appears to be too fast for Hamilton unless a significant development is possible.
Ejiofor averaged 5 minutes a game as a freshman. Left Kansas. Developed.
I am not guaranteeing Clark or Hamilton end up like him. But I am not discounting the possibility, either.
Packers should draft him as an O lineman.
If our guards end up guarding an Ejiofor we get crushed.
I know you are a die hard fan Tower but sometimes you need to look at things without the rose colored glasses on
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2025, 09:10:42 PMEjiofor averaged 5 minutes a game as a freshman. Left Kansas. Developed.
I am not guaranteeing Clark or Hamilton end up like him. But I am not discounting the possibility, either.
Has there been any intel out of The Al on how Clark and Amadou have come along this year?
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2025, 09:10:42 PMEjiofor averaged 5 minutes a game as a freshman. Left Kansas. Developed.
I am not guaranteeing Clark or Hamilton end up like him. But I am not discounting the possibility, either.
Cmon Tower.
The fact that Ejiofor even got recruited at Kansas enough to play 5mpg as a frosh screams that he has more raw talent than all our bigs combined.
Rick saw that, and capitalized on it.
I get the development angle, and I'm not doubting our bigs named Clark, Hamilton, Ben Gold, etc develop to some degree, but to even compare them to a talented player like Zuby is MU goggled absurdity. There was a reason the kid was a Kansas recruit.
That's the next step Shaka must climb- get more talented guys out of HS to buy into his Marquette way.
We will see if it works, hopefully it does.
I just don't think expecting any current MU big to end up like Zuby is realistic, because the base talent coming into college isn't on the same stratosphere
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2025, 09:10:42 PMEjiofor averaged 5 minutes a game as a freshman. Left Kansas. Developed.
I am not guaranteeing Clark or Hamilton end up like him. But I am not discounting the possibility, either.
Zuby was the #47 recruit nationally and a 96 on ESPN. Hamilton wasn't being legitimately recruited by Big West programs and wasn't even rated. Clark? Another project who didn't average double figures in HS. Yes, give me Zuby after a year at Kansas over Hamilton.
I said this weeks if not months ago, that we need a big and a shooter from the portal. Shaka not doing this borders on stupidity after watching this team play since January. Also, watching uconn and creighton play, it seems as if they have multiple longer dudes than us.
I am optimistic about Zaire and parnham and Owens but outside of chase and maybe Ben. Ugh. Simply trying to be realistic and not overly negative because we do have some pieces.
Shaka can't develop players and Kansas has been so much better than Marquette since Shaka had taken over Marquette we should really take their approach and their castoffs.
Quote from: Viper on March 14, 2025, 09:28:17 PMHas there been any intel out of The Al on how Clark and Amadou have come along this year?
It will take a miracle worker to get them ready for the big time if they're redshirting with our current front line situation
Quote from: Captain Quette on March 14, 2025, 09:55:55 PMI said this weeks if not months ago, that we need a big and a shooter from the portal. Shaka not doing this borders on stupidity after watching this team play since January. Also, watching uconn and creighton play, it seems as if they have multiple longer dudes than us.
I am optimistic about Zaire and parnham and Owens but outside of chase and maybe Ben. Ugh. Simply trying to be realistic and not overly negative because we do have some pieces.
Weeks ago? Months ago? Holy sheet.....you should have let everyone know! Why didnt Shaka take your call? You saw this coming after all.
for the "Shaka does not use the portal" slurpers - you do realize Pitino with a 2 year team of transfers crushed Shaka's home grown team of 4 years.
Hurley uses transfer to win championships. Not using transfers is like playing without a big, is like not using timeouts to slow down an opponents run, and is likely subbing in 4 young guys at once to only lose a lead...
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 14, 2025, 10:20:59 PMIt will take a miracle worker to get them ready for the big time if they're redshirting with our current front line situation
Quote from: Viper on March 14, 2025, 09:28:17 PMHas there been any intel out of The Al on how Clark and Amadou have come along this year?
Haven't heard or seen much of anything, which is a bit concerning tbh.
If anyone else has seen or heard anything let me know.
We saw that video of Clark's raw defensive and lob receiving/good hands talent ability in the pre-season and that was all.
Earlier this season we heard raving reviews for both Caedin and Damarius...
I commented on it mid to late season saying how I could see Caedin and DO popping off the chart in MU practices because
1- Caedin can bully every other big on Marquette, and has some of the Oso passing vision skills in a closed practice format and 2- DOs raw athleticism and skill seemingly jump off the chart in a controlled and care free environment like infra-squad practices and scrimmages. Just the other day Damarius has a massive jam over Chase in practice, looked like Vince Carter.
Some took offense to those comments, however.
I stand by them though, I think that's exactly what happened.
As a matter of fact, we heard that Damarius was way ahead of Royce on defense... imagine that. Royce is no defensive wizard as a frosh, but he's been miles ahead of DO thus far.
That said- talent is usually immediately obvious when it steps onto the court and Damarius' talent is obvious. He and the staff just need to figure out how to properly unleash it.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 14, 2025, 10:32:13 PMHaven't heard or seen much of anything, which is a bit concerning tbh.
If anyone else has seen or heard anything let me know.
We saw that video of Clark's raw defensive and lob receiving/good hands talent ability in the pre-season and that was all.
Earlier this season we heard raving reviews for both Caedin and Damarius...
I commented on it mid to late season saying how I could see Caedin and DO popping off the chart in MU practices because
1- Caedin can bully every other big on Marquette, and has some of the Oso passing vision skills in a closed practice format and 2- DOs raw athleticism and skill seemingly jump off the chart in a controlled and care free environment like infra-squad practices and scrimmages. Just the other day Damarius has a massive jam over Chase in practice, looked like Vince Carter.
Some took offense to those comments, however.
I stand by them though, I think that's exactly what happened.
As a matter of fact, we heard that Damarius was way ahead of Royce on defense... imagine that. Royce is no defensive wizard as a frosh, but he's been miles ahead of DO thus far.
That said- talent is usually immediately obvious when it steps onto the court and Damarius' talent is obvious. He and the staff just need to figure out how to properly unleash it.
Damarius is going to be a stud. I have no clue what the staff sees in Hamilton. He is not a high major player.
"Caedin can bully every other big on Marquette"
that's a low bar...
'That said- talent is usually immediately obvious when it steps onto the court and Damarius' talent is obvious. He and the staff just need to figure out how to properly unleash it."
I guess I missed it as he has not been able to "step onto the court" despite the obvious struggles of this team..
Quote from: Captain Quette on March 14, 2025, 09:55:55 PMI said this weeks if not months ago, that we need a big and a shooter from the portal. Shaka not doing this borders on stupidity after watching this team play since January. Also, watching uconn and creighton play, it seems as if they have multiple longer dudes than us.
I am optimistic about Zaire and parnham and Owens but outside of chase and maybe Ben. Ugh. Simply trying to be realistic and not overly negative because we do have some pieces.
Who are Zaire and Parnham?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 14, 2025, 10:16:50 PMShaka can't develop players and Kansas has been so much better than Marquette since Shaka had taken over Marquette we should really take their approach and their castoffs.
Shaka can develop players. But how high is the ceiling for some of these guys? Gold, Hamilton, Clark, Amadou, Norman. Their starting points seem low...so significant development will be required. If I know a Kansas or Duke recruit wants out, I'm interested in at least having a discussion. Our 2022-23 and 2024-24 teams were solid. Very good season results. This year and in comparison, a step back to this point. Forecasting to next season it's not unreasonable to be pessimistic based on returnees and reliance on high school recruits. Balanced roster, sure. But, incoming talent and returning player development will need to be significant to match what Pitino is cookin'.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 14, 2025, 10:32:09 PMfor the "Shaka does not use the portal" slurpers - you do realize Pitino with a 2 year team of transfers crushed Shaka's home grown team of 4 years.
Hurley uses transfer to win championships. Not using transfers is like playing without a big, is like not using timeouts to slow down an opponents run, and is likely subbing in 4 young guys at once to only lose a lead...
Remind me what seed Marquette was in the tourney in his 2nd season, Biff.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 14, 2025, 10:44:45 PMRemind me what seed Marquette was in the tourney in his 2nd season, Biff.
awesome, we can hang on to two years ago we were a two seed...
where are we now?
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 14, 2025, 10:46:50 PMawesome, we can hang on to two years ago we were a two seed...
where are we now?
What seed were we last year, genius?
Damarius is a natural smooth athlete, but is he basketball player, like most of Shaka's athletes he has no mid range game or a jump shot. He has trouble finishing since he is so skinny, he can get by his man but then he gets lost on the next move. Tired of watching a team that does not have a jump shot! By the way, Ross does not either. If he plays his way going forward, it will be interesting how they score next year, hope those freshman are ready. Hamilton and Norman have to go.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 14, 2025, 10:44:45 PMRemind me what seed Marquette was in the tourney in his 2nd season, Biff.
Wasn't the best player on that team abd in the conference a transfer?
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 14, 2025, 10:52:14 PMDamarius is a natural smooth athlete, but is he basketball player, like most of Shaka's athletes he has no mid range game or a jump shot. He has trouble finishing since he is so skinny, he can get by his man but then he gets lost on the next move. Tired of watching a team that does not have a jump shot! By the way, Ross does not either. If he plays his way going forward, it will be interesting how they score next year, hope those freshman are ready. Hamilton and Norman have to go.
Every time you post about a midrange game you should receive electric shock.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 14, 2025, 10:53:55 PMWasn't the best player on that team abd in the conference a transfer?
Do you really not understand the difference?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 14, 2025, 10:48:26 PMWhat seed were we last year, genius?
...2-seed, but so what? Year before, 2-seed. Did what with it? High seeding is great, but was a Sweet 16 with that 2-seed the ceiling? Most Scoopers see the here and now, and forecast not just a step back, but the approach in comparison to our competitors at the top.
Quote from: Viper on March 14, 2025, 11:07:17 PM...2-seed, but so what? Year before, 2-seed. Did what with it? High seeding is great, but was a Sweet 16 with that 2-seed the ceiling? Most Scoopers see the here and now, and forecast not just a step back, but the approach in comparison to our competitors at the top.
"So what" about two 2 seeds in a row but let's overreact to one season as a 7-8 seed.
Pure idiocy.
The tourney is a crapshoot.
Most scoopers do not agree with you.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 14, 2025, 11:14:06 PM"So what" about two 2 seeds in a row but let's overreact to one season as a 7-8 seed.
Pure idiocy.
The tourney is a crapshoot.
Most scoopers do not agree with you.
I disagree. Most Scoopers are knowledgeable enough to see what's in front of them. And, no one is overreacting to this season. Rather, reactions are based on reasonable assessment of the current team and forecasting, assuming no incoming portal transfers.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 14, 2025, 10:48:26 PMWhat seed were we last year, genius?
Awesome, we were a two seed last year.
Where are we now?
I seriously wonder why some of y'all torture yourselves by following a program that you feel has accomplished nothing since Al retired, is obviously doomed next season, and really has no chance to ever compete with the big boys.
Quote from: drbob on March 14, 2025, 09:28:02 PMI know you are a die hard fan Tower but sometimes you need to look at things without the rose colored glasses on
No screaming shice
Quote from: Captain Quette on March 14, 2025, 09:55:55 PMI said this weeks if not months ago, that we need a big and a shooter from the portal. Shaka not doing this borders on stupidity after watching this team play since January. Also, watching uconn and creighton play, it seems as if they have multiple longer dudes than us.
I am optimistic about Zaire and parnham and Owens but outside of chase and maybe Ben. Ugh. Simply trying to be realistic and not overly negative because we do have some pieces.
How dare you criticize Shaka as being stupid. Blasphemy. The Towers and TAMUS and Hards will crucify any criticism.
This year has totally and clearly proved MU is on wrong path to compete in BEast.
A 5th place finish? Middle of the Pack
3-7 against teams above us? Poor
Swept by UConn, 3 times by sleazy Rick? Unacceptable.
Losing 60% of the offense after this year? Poor
Competing in BEast means you must have 2 plus 3 point shooter and down low bangers. MU has neither
Recruits for next year are a maybe, with none highly ranked. And we all know his penchant for frosh sitting.Hope some work out, but where are the bangers for bully ball?
UConn owned us this year, St John's owned us this year with plenty of transfers. Creighton improves each year. Xavier, etc.
I love Shaka but he is not earning the big boy salary at this moment. Likely an 8 seed in dance, and bang--done.
This is not acceptable performance for a program that should be competing for Championships. Unless like some you are content with middle of the pack in BEast, as other programs and coaches in conference pass Shaka by.
He definitely has to get his ass in with recruits that can bang and shoot. If that means portal then do it. Sleazeball Rick can do it. Why can't MU?
Shaka is playing now with all his guys, so giddyup Shaka and show some current results
Quote from: willie warrior on March 15, 2025, 06:15:41 AMHow dare you criticize Shaka as being stupid. Blasphemy. The Towers and TAMUS and Hards will crucify any criticism.
This year has totally and clearly proved MU is on wrong path to compete in BEast.
A 5th place finish? Middle of the Pack
3-7 against teams above us? Poor
Swept by UConn, 3 times by sleazy Rick? Unacceptable.
Losing 60% of the offense after this year? Poor
Competing in BEast means you must have 2 plus 3 point shooter and down low bangers. MU has neither
Recruits for next year are a maybe, with none highly ranked. And we all know his penchant for frosh sitting.Hope some work out, but where are the bangers for bully ball?
UConn owned us this year, St John's owned us this year with plenty of transfers. Creighton improves each year. Xavier, etc.
I love Shaka but he is not earning the big boy salary at this moment. Likely an 8 seed in dance, and bang--done.
This is not acceptable performance for a program that should be competing for Championships. Unless like some you are content with middle of the pack in BEast, as other programs and coaches in conference pass Shaka by.
He definitely has to get his ass in with recruits that can bang and shoot. If that means portal then do it. Sleazeball Rick can do it. Why can't MU?
Shaka is playing now with all his guys, so giddyup Shaka and show some current results
Creighton gets better every year? They were in the Elite 8 two years ago, a 3 seed last year, and will be in the 8/9 game this year. To nobody's surprise, your logic fails.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 14, 2025, 11:54:04 PMAwesome, we were a two seed last year.
Where are we now?
I mean, holy sh*t. Do some of you bozos not follow college basketball??? Having a back to back 2 seed team that drops down to a 7 or 8 for a season isn't rare at all. Even for great programs with great coaches.
Seriously, UConn was preseason top 5 and will be seeded about the same level as Marquette. Do you think the Boneyard is saying stuff like other coahces are passing Dan Hurley by? It's just nonsense.
A lot of y'all base your Marquette "analysis" on pure emotion and vibes, and not on taking a logical and rational look at the landscape of college basketball.
When you go 3-7 against the top half of the conference and 0-5 against SJ and UConn, you have to admit that you are not competing at a high level in conference play. I agree that against these teams, MU get out muscled, out rebounded, and frequently out shot. Ben Gold is helpless against the SJ big guy, Hamilton may have some passing skills but does not show much else, and the Clark guy is a big question mark. I guess you can get lucky sometimes on a project big, but I think the success rate is pretty low. Plus, Shaka does not seem inclined to use muscular bigs who are rim protectors and rebounders. He seems to want versatile, agile bigs who can move well, switch on defense, etc. I admire Shaka for sticking to his guns, but I wonder if he is swimming upstream long-term.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 15, 2025, 06:15:41 AMUConn owned us this year, St John's owned us this year with plenty of transfers. Creighton improves each year. Xavier, etc.
Xavier? The team that was picked to finish above Marquette in the conference but is going to be lucky to even make the tournament?
Stunning analysis.
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2025, 09:10:42 PMEjiofor averaged 5 minutes a game as a freshman. Left Kansas. Developed.
I am not guaranteeing Clark or Hamilton end up like him. But I am not discounting the possibility, either.
Ejiofor averaged 11 minutes last season at SJU.
In the "landscape of college basketball" Marquette is a team with very modest post season accomplishments. But that just plays into the excuse that the tourney is a crapshoot.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 15, 2025, 07:12:04 AMCreighton gets better every year? They were in the Elite 8 two years ago, a 3 seed last year, and will be in the 8/9 game this year. To nobody's surprise, your logic fails.
To your ego surprise, Creighton is again a very good team. In BEast championship, a 2 seed in it. Your logic left you long ago. You are also one of the Mu path downward deniers. Thats fine for you. Just because I have pointed out the obvious you choose to criticize it. Fine. Just the facts Mam.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 15, 2025, 07:36:05 AMI mean, holy sh*t. Do some of you bozos not follow college basketball??? Having a back to back 2 seed team that drops down to a 7 or 8 for a season isn't rare at all. Even for great programs with great coaches.
Seriously, UConn was preseason top 5 and will be seeded about the same level as Marquette. Do you think the Boneyard is saying stuff like other coahces are passing Dan Hurley by? It's just nonsense.
A lot of y'all base your Marquette "analysis" on pure emotion and vibes, and not on taking a logical and rational look at the landscape of college basketball.
I think the majority of this board only watches Marquette games, its obvious the opinions about these other teams and coaches are only from the games against us. Just conveniently miss all the times these "better" Big East teams or ranked teams around the country get blown out and have just as many flaws and question marks as us.
There is not a single program in the country that is a top 2 seed every year. To expect that is impossible. This is college basketball, these arent the best players in the world, so there are no guarantees each season or even game to game. Even the best players at this level are extremely inconsistent, if they weren't they'd be in the NBA already. The best coaches in the country would tell you they prepare as much as possible, but they have no idea what to really expect each game and each season, so for fan bases to expect elite play every year is insane.
This program is in a great spot the way Shaka has built it and the next few years are going to be really fun.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 15, 2025, 09:03:16 AMTo your ego surprise, Creighton is again a very good team. In BEast championship, a 2 seed in it. Your logic left you long ago. You are also one of the Mu path downward deniers. Thats fine for you. Just because I have pointed out the obvious you choose to criticize it. Fine. Just the facts Mam.
They're trending down though. They will be seeded right around Marquette this year. Again logic and intellect escape you. Your arguments are just based on feelings.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 15, 2025, 08:27:53 AMIn the "landscape of college basketball" Marquette is a team with very modest post season accomplishments. But that just plays into the excuse that the tourney is a crapshoot.
I guess if you just keep making different arguments, you'll eventually be right.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 14, 2025, 11:54:04 PMAwesome, we were a two seed last year.
Where are we now?
Probably a 7 or 8. What's your point? Do you expect a 2-seed every year? Are you delusional?
Quote from: Viper on March 14, 2025, 11:24:38 PMI disagree. Most Scoopers are knowledgeable enough to see what's in front of them. And, no one is overreacting to this season. Rather, reactions are based on reasonable assessment of the current team and forecasting, assuming no incoming portal transfers.
Spot on. Except there are a bunch of Scoopers that dont see what is front of them, unless Shaka chanb\ges things up. Next year will be rougher than this year. But we all can cross our fingers.
Quote from: rgoode57 on March 15, 2025, 07:39:03 AMWhen you go 3-7 against the top half of the conference and 0-5 against SJ and UConn, you have to admit that you are not competing at a high level in conference play. I agree that against these teams, MU get out muscled, out rebounded, and frequently out shot. Ben Gold is helpless against the SJ big guy, Hamilton may have some passing skills but does not show much else, and the Clark guy is a big question mark. I guess you can get lucky sometimes on a project big, but I think the success rate is pretty low. Plus, Shaka does not seem inclined to use muscular bigs who are rim protectors and rebounders. He seems to want versatile, agile bigs who can move well, switch on defense, etc. I admire Shaka for sticking to his guns, but I wonder if he is swimming upstream long-term.
Like a salmon spawning.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 15, 2025, 08:27:53 AMIn the "landscape of college basketball" Marquette is a team with very modest post season accomplishments. But that just plays into the excuse that the tourney is a crapshoot.
Whoa there Go back 50 years when MU was a runner up in 74 and won it all in 77.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 15, 2025, 12:17:04 PMWhoa there Go back 50 years when MU was a runner up in 74 and won it all in 77.
You were the guy who said the Chones Sweet 16 team was a "stud team," yet are acting like a little flower because last year's team only reach the Sweet 16.
Your illogic knows no bounds.
Some here are certainly more in the know than I am, but could it be that Shaka does not want to go to the portal because the NIL money is not there and knows he'll be out bid when it comes to money. This is the "new" landscape of college basketball.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 15, 2025, 12:38:17 PMSome here are certainly more in the know than I am, but could it be that Shaka does not want to go to the portal because the NIL money is not there and knows he'll be out bid when it comes to money. This is the "new" landscape of college basketball.
This is quite possible. The articles and notions and everything else has a positive spin to it. Everyone gets paid the same, no agents etc. We already know were going to miss out on big names because of that. Whatever, what matters is are we able to compete at all?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 15, 2025, 12:38:17 PMSome here are certainly more in the know than I am, but could it be that Shaka does not want to go to the portal because the NIL money is not there and knows he'll be out bid when it comes to money. This is the "new" landscape of college basketball.
Why is that people don't take Shaka at his word for why he has avoided the portal thus far and instead come up with stuff like this?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 15, 2025, 12:38:17 PMSome here are certainly more in the know than I am, but could it be that Shaka does not want to go to the portal because the NIL money is not there and knows he'll be out bid when it comes to money. This is the "new" landscape of college basketball.
No it's not that at all. It's solely about him staying true to the culture and coaching philosophy he wanted to install at Marquette.
If Shaka starts choosing portal players over current ones, it would essentially be him admitting that he was wrong in his belief that continued development and connectivity can pay greater dividends than a transfer can.
Quote from: K1 Lover on March 15, 2025, 12:52:10 PMNo it's not that at all. It's solely about him staying true to the culture and coaching philosophy he wanted to install at Marquette.
If Shaka starts choosing portal players over current ones, it would essentially be him admitting that he was wrong in his belief that continued development and connectivity can pay greater dividends than a transfer can.
At the same time, recruiting over players has existed long before NIL. There's a difference between getting a transfer who is going to take minutes from Chase Ross and a transfer who is going to take minutes from guys who haven't developed into what Shaka hoped for.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 15, 2025, 12:17:04 PMWhoa there Go back 50 years when MU was a runner up in 74 and won it all in 77.
Yes, I should add "in the last 40 years" to be fair. Some of you got to witness greatness. Most of us only got to witness a Kansas drubbing in the final four and bad exits the past three years with some moderate buzz succes in between
Quote from: #UnleashSean on March 15, 2025, 12:49:46 PMThis is quite possible. The articles and notions and everything else has a positive spin to it. Everyone gets paid the same, no agents etc. We already know were going to miss out on big names because of that. Whatever, what matters is are we able to compete at all?
Exactly!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 14, 2025, 10:42:22 PMWho are Zaire and Parnham?
A couple of traveling magicians you can see under the big top this summer!
Quote from: willie warrior on March 15, 2025, 12:14:15 PMSpot on. Except there are a bunch of Scoopers that dont see what is front of them, unless Shaka chanb\ges things up. Next year will be rougher than this year. But we all can cross our fingers.
You and Viper on each other's meat like this is like an ouroboros of stupidity with two snakes instead of one.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2025, 12:50:49 PMWhy is that people don't take Shaka at his word for why he has avoided the portal thus far and instead come up with stuff like this?
What Shaka said is not said in stone. Smart people have an open mind and are willing to change their thinking when provided with new information and/or if something is not working.
Shaka didn't have enough help for Kam, who has had to do way too much and as the season has gone on that shows
Quote from: warriors141 on March 15, 2025, 02:02:35 PMWhat Shaka said is not said in stone. Smart people have an open mind and are willing to change their thinking when provided with new information and/or if something is not working.
Shaka didn't have enough help for Kam, who has had to do way too much and as the season has gone on that shows
Smart people should also be perceptive enough to take someone like Shaka at his word.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 14, 2025, 10:44:45 PMRemind me what seed Marquette was in the tourney in his 2nd season, Biff.
They don't hang banners for high seeds.
I mean, earning a 2 seed is a great and made the season fun, but it it's ultimately forgettable if not followed by tournament success ... or memorable in a bad way with an early exit.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 15, 2025, 02:31:04 PMThey don't hang banners for high seeds.
I mean, earning a 2 seed is a great and made the season fun, but it it's ultimately forgettable if not followed by tournament success ... or memorable in a bad way with an early exit.
Did I say they hang banners for high seeds? Seems like you're entirely missing the point of that exchange.
Also, I completely disagree that it's ultimately forgettable. If that's the case for you, fine. That's not the case for many others.
Going out in the round of 32 against MSU didn't ruin the regular season and conference tourney titles for me. If they did for you that's sad.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2025, 02:47:30 PMDid I say they hang banners for high seeds? Seems like you're entirely missing the point of that exchange.
Also, I completely disagree that it's ultimately forgettable. If that's the case for you, fine. That's not the case for many others.
Going out in the round of 32 against MSU didn't ruin the regular season and conference tourney titles for me. If they did for you that's sad.
I kept quiet here before that game about my MSU concerns, but I had emailed my Marquette alumni family members that playing against MSU's Izzo was
not the matchup I wanted to see, mostly because of Izzo's experience and success. There are
always odd seeding/matchups in the tourney, so I refused to complain about it afterwards.
Too bad the Spirit Shop does not offer blue and gold baby rattles for some Marquette fans.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 15, 2025, 02:31:04 PMThey don't hang banners for high seeds.
I mean, earning a 2 seed is a great and made the season fun, but it it's ultimately forgettable if not followed by tournament success ... or memorable in a bad way with an early exit.
They hang banners for conference titles and conference tournament titles.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 15, 2025, 09:10:20 AMI think the majority of this board only watches Marquette games, its obvious the opinions about these other teams and coaches are only from the games against us. Just conveniently miss all the times these "better" Big East teams or ranked teams around the country get blown out and have just as many flaws and question marks as us.
There is not a single program in the country that is a top 2 seed every year. To expect that is impossible. This is college basketball, these arent the best players in the world, so there are no guarantees each season or even game to game. Even the best players at this level are extremely inconsistent, if they weren't they'd be in the NBA already. The best coaches in the country would tell you they prepare as much as possible, but they have no idea what to really expect each game and each season, so for fan bases to expect elite play every year is insane.
This program is in a great spot the way Shaka has built it and the next few years are going to be really fun.
This post is so reasonable that I had to double-check to make sure I was still reading Scoop.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 15, 2025, 03:03:43 PMThey hang banners for conference titles and conference tournament titles.
Great. That's different than a tournament seed.
And I believe conference tournaments are the postseason.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 15, 2025, 02:47:30 PMGoing out in the round of 32 against MSU didn't ruin the regular season and conference tourney titles for me. If they did for you that's sad.
I appreciate your concern over something I didn't write.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 15, 2025, 03:13:23 PMI appreciate your concern over something I didn't write.
Seemed like a safe inference based on your post.
Also, still waiting to hear where I said anything abkut hanging banners for 2 seeds.
Who was our aircraft carrier when we won BEx2 in 2023? Who was our aircraft carrier when we won the BE and advanced to the Elite 8 in 2013? Who was our aircraft carrier when we went to the Sweet 16 in 2011 and 2012? Who was Nova's aircraft carrier when they won national titles in 2018 and 2016 (and 1985, for that matter)?
Lots of ways to build a successful roster. Lots of ways to win.
And not a lot of aircraft carriers out there.