Poll
Question:
WHATS OUR SEED: POLL
Option 1: 5
votes: 6
Option 2: 6
votes: 16
Option 3: 7
votes: 96
Option 4: 8
votes: 53
Option 5: 9
votes: 8
So try to predict the committee rather than what we think they should get.
Thanks
17
1 seed in the NIT
I'll say 8.
7
We're like right on the 7/8 cutline. I voted 7 but an 8 wouldn't surprise me.
Going with 7. Auburn/Alabama are the 1s in Lexington. That's Friday. Same day as Milwaukee games. Think committee does us a solid and puts us as a 7 Thursday in Cleveland.
Lexington is Th/Sat, Cleveland Fri/Sun.
Quote from: Miss Katie's on March 14, 2025, 08:54:03 PMLexington is Th/Sat, Cleveland Fri/Sun.
Good call. Then maybe 8/9 game 😳
In any case, I think that has a decent impact on where we go and what seed we get.
I put 7 for now but there are a couple of the current 8's in the Bracket Matrix that are still playing and could move up with conference tournament titles.
UConn for one.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 14, 2025, 08:29:37 PMWe're like right on the 7/8 cutline. I voted 7 but an 8 wouldn't surprise me.
it should
Quote from: wisblue on March 14, 2025, 09:05:32 PMUConn for one.
UConn for none. Couldn't even beat a tired Creighton team that had to play 2 OTs against mighty DePaul the night before.
Karaban last seen on a milk carton.
Quote from: MU82 on March 15, 2025, 01:11:54 AMUConn for none. Couldn't even beat a tired Creighton team that had to play 2 OTs against mighty DePaul the night before.
Karaban last seen on a milk carton.
I posted that during the UConn-Creighton game. I edited it later when I noticed a typo in the original.
UConn moving up was obviously dependent on at least beating Creighton and probably also beating St. John's.
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8 and let's get used to it. One and done at best. No wide body down low will limit this or any team. We are wasting such good guard talent with not enough balance.
Cracked Sidewalks says 8
I say 7. Wouldn't surprised anything 7-9.
I think committee having MU as top 5 seed on the first release will help.
We'll be an 8. Louisville getting to play 8 on 5 in the last minute against Clemson assured that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2025, 09:16:43 AMWe'll be an 8. Louisville getting to play 8 on 5 in the last minute against Clemson assured that.
Brew,
What's this love for Illinois that I'm missing? And doesn't the fact that we beat Maryland, UW, and Purdue head to head have some positive impact?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 10:01:17 AMBrew,
What's this love for Illinois that I'm missing? And doesn't the fact that we beat Maryland, UW, and Purdue head to head have some positive impact?
This is clearly not the same team anymore that won those games in November and early December. That has to be accounted for. The committee cannot pretend it doesn't matter we've lost 7/12 since Feb 1, while not beating one other tournament team. Only respectable win was Thursday but X is still not getting in the field.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 15, 2025, 10:08:16 AMThis is clearly not the same team anymore that won those games in November and early December. That has to be accounted for. The committee cannot pretend it doesn't matter we've lost 7/12 since Feb 1, while not beating one other tournament team. Only respectable win was Thursday but X is still not getting in the field.
I still think we get a 7.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 10:11:38 AMI still think we get a 7.
Neither a 7 or 8 would surprise me. I lean to an 8. And hard to argue that isn't deserved.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 15, 2025, 10:14:36 AMNeither a 7 or 8 would surprise me. I lean to an 8. And hard to argue that isn't deserved.
That's not good Hutch. Very bad match-ups if we're lucky enough to win the 1st game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 10:18:06 AMThat's not good Hutch. Very bad match-ups if we're lucky enough to win the 1st game.
I don't like 7/10 game much better. This is what they've played themselves into- unappealing matchups. And a 1 or 2 seed waiting if they win.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 10:01:17 AMBrew,
What's this love for Illinois that I'm missing? And doesn't the fact that we beat Maryland, UW, and Purdue head to head have some positive impact?
Illinois is better in 5/7 team sheet metrics and has a better resume & predictive average. Going to results, they are 8-10 in Q1, we're 6-8. Similar, but advantages them.
It's really the content of those wins that differentiates them. Illinois has the same UW & Purdue home wins we do, but our only other Q1A win is road Maryland. They have neutral Missouri, road Oregon, and road Michigan. Just more depth of quality at the top of their resume with the metrics to back it up.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 15, 2025, 10:08:16 AMThis is clearly not the same team anymore that won those games in November and early December. That has to be accounted for. The committee cannot pretend it doesn't matter we've lost 7/12 since Feb 1, while not beating one other tournament team. Only respectable win was Thursday but X is still not getting in the field.
No. That's not how it works. The season is evaluated as a whole. The first game is as important as the last.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 15, 2025, 10:34:59 AMIllinois is better in 5/7 team sheet metrics and has a better resume & predictive average. Going to results, they are 8-10 in Q1, we're 6-8. Similar, but advantages them.
It's really the content of those wins that differentiates them. Illinois has the same UW & Purdue home wins we do, but our only other Q1A win is road Maryland. They have neutral Missouri, road Oregon, and road Michigan. Just more depth of quality at the top of their resume with the metrics to back it up.
Even if they were down by 100 at the half yesterday to a team we beat on their floor? Fine.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 10:40:29 AMEven if they were down by 100 at the half yesterday to a team we beat on their floor? Fine.
Cherry picking one game for each team is usually going to lead you to the wrong conclusion.
Quote from: wisblue on March 15, 2025, 10:47:20 AMCherry picking one game for each team is usually going to lead you to the wrong conclusion.
They've been up and down all year.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 10:51:11 AMThey've been up and down all year.
You have fantasized "if I was in charge" on many other subjects, so I am not surprised that you are effectively doing it here. The Selection Committee's decisions are not subject to your approval.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 10:40:29 AMEven if they were down by 100 at the half yesterday to a team we beat on their floor? Fine.
Yes, it's one data point in season where most data points favor them, even after that loss.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 15, 2025, 10:55:38 AMYou have fantasized "if I was in charge" on many other subjects, so I am not surprised that you are effectively doing it here. The Selection Committee's decisions are not subject to your approval.
Calm down. I was just having a discussion.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 10:59:05 AMCalm down. I was just having a discussion.
;D ;D ;D
Brew, could the committee throw a curveball regarding the SEC? I don't think most people want to see 14 teams.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 15, 2025, 10:37:39 AMNo. That's not how it works. The season is evaluated as a whole. The first game is as important as the last.
does the committee account for an injured star being out a stretch of games? i.e. bubble team Xavier didn't have Freemantle.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 11:02:08 AMBrew, could the committee throw a curveball regarding the SEC? I don't think most people want to see 14 teams.
Only one is on the bubble, so the worst they will do is 13. And the committee should not care what "most people want."
Quote from: Viper on March 15, 2025, 11:22:27 AMdoes the committee account for an injured star being out a stretch of games? i.e. bubble team Xavier didn't have Freemantle.
For three games.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 15, 2025, 11:02:08 AMBrew, could the committee throw a curveball regarding the SEC? I don't think most people want to see 14 teams.
I expect 13. You can't say the whole season matters and not put Oklahoma in. Their top-end wins are too good, particularly on neutral courts. I also feel confident in Arkansas. They could be left out, but feels unlikely.
If there's a curve ball with the SEC, it's Vandy. They have the win quality, but sub-300 NCSOS rarely goes to Dayton. Maybe them and Texas being out (and Texas should be out) gets them down to 12.
The possible wrinkle is having 7 mid-major & 5 high-major committee members (because the P12 didn't get a replacement). Maybe they go for a UC Irvine, Boise/CSU loser, or VCU (if they lose) but it doesn't guarantee Vandy or a SEC team is left out. Indiana, Xavier, or Baylor could also be left out.
Quote from: Viper on March 15, 2025, 11:22:27 AMdoes the committee account for an injured star being out a stretch of games? i.e. bubble team Xavier didn't have Freemantle.
They can. The selection procedures allow for considering the availability of players or coaches (what I call the "Boeheim Rule")
I don't know if Fremantle would be considered impactful enough, or if Xavier's performance was different enough while he was out and phasing back in, to be given much weight.
I'm just grateful that Freemantle was a major net positive for Marquette in the second half Thursday.
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Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 15, 2025, 06:47:00 PMVote
I VOTE FOR NO MORE THREAD TITLES THAT ARE ALL CAPS. IT IS VERY ANNOYING.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 15, 2025, 07:48:40 PMI VOTE FOR NO MORE THREAD TITLES THAT ARE ALL CAPS. IT IS VERY ANNOYING.
SoRrY tO hUrT yOuR fEeLiNgS.
St johns blasting creighton is likely to our advantage eh? Uconn and creighton now firmly in 8/9 games, hopefully pushing us to 7 seed, I think at least...
I'm rolling with a 6 seed. Lunardi has us as an 8, and I think that's nuts.
I'd have voted for a 1-seed. Anything worse is further sign that the selection committee has always hated Marquette.
Joining refs, Seth Davis, ESPN, AP poll voters and so many others.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 15, 2025, 06:47:00 PMVote
A Scoop poll without Arby's as a choice is not a real poll
Quote from: bradforster on March 15, 2025, 08:16:26 PMI'm rolling with a 6 seed. Lunardi has us as an 8, and I think that's nuts.
Unfortunately, I think we're an 8 and be forced to play the 1 on the weekend.
Quote from: Jockey on March 16, 2025, 11:57:16 AMUnfortunately, I think we're an 8 and be forced to play the 1 on the weekend.
MU to Dayton
Quote from: Jockey on March 16, 2025, 11:57:16 AMUnfortunately, I think we're an 8 and be forced to play the 1 on the weekend.
Let's hope they earn an opportunity to play over the weekend.
I voted 7, but think it will be an 8.
We will have our work cut out for us.
I think it will be a 7 because the committee has to throw the big east a bone.
The conference which won the last 2 championships and 4 of the last 8, is not going to get 3 8/9's.
Quote from: 1971muhs on March 16, 2025, 02:39:45 PMI think it will be a 7 because the committee has to throw the big east a bone.
The conference which won the last 2 championships and 4 of the last 8, is not going to get 3 8/9's.
That's really not how it works.
69 seed
420 seed
Quote from: 1971muhs on March 16, 2025, 02:39:45 PMI think it will be a 7 because the committee has to throw the big east a bone.
The conference which won the last 2 championships and 4 of the last 8, is not going to get 3 8/9's.
;D
Big 10 had 3 8/9 seeds last year...........this idea that one conference shouldn't get 3 8/9s because of previous seasons is not supported by history.
Like I said a 7. There are politics behind the locked door.
Quote from: 1971muhs on March 16, 2025, 06:04:06 PMLike I said a 7. There are politics behind the locked door.
It had nothing to do with politics. Scoopers are just chicken littles in general.
We ended up being a pretty comfortable 7th seed - #26 on the committee's board.