After a 4th consecutive end of season fade under Shaka November, Marquette and Mark Broker need to think big and not let Dayton beat us to the punch and hire Brian Wardle.
Though things don't work out today due to some questionable officiating, the work Brian has done at UWGB and Bradley is more impressive than what Shaka has done in Milwaukee.
We have to ask ourselves if we want to be the next DePaul or next St. John's. With Marquette's resources and private jet, imagine what Brian could do at a school with such resources. If we run it back with nonsensical talk about relationships and growth, we're doomed to toilet town. After watching St. John's whoop us in 2 games this year, it's clear we can't compete in the Big East with Shaka as a head coach.
He seems like a nice guy but I think he'd be better suited to coach at a place like Fordham. We can't afford to let Dayton take Wardle and become the new Villanova of Ohio.
Just do it, Mark.
Well, Wardle just got throttled by Drake 63-48.
Shaka would have lost by 30. All because of missed free throws.
That's ridiculous, Shaka is a nationally known coach. Well accepted by the press. I am sure when he talks to a kid around the country they know him more than the school now. Recruiting should get easier, players know his philosophy. With 2 or 3 openings let's see if he closes the deal on some good kids. The sophomore class in Wisconsin is very good, tired of them going to Iowa St.
I'd also strongly consider Brian Barone. All he's done at SIUE is win. He's also proven to be able to land Milwaukee kids and win with them. Desmond Polk is on his team right now. Would have been nice to have him yesterday
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2025, 05:20:36 PMI'd also strongly consider Brian Barone. All he's done at SIUE is win. He's also proven to be able to land Milwaukee kids and win with them. Desmond Polk is on his team right now. Would have been nice to have him yesterday
Your thoughts about giving Wojo another chance? We could finally become Duke North.
If we're gonna make a coaching change, we need to look to coaches with pro experience. At least G league. Ideally in Utah for experience with traditionals.
Steve Wojo would be a huge get.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 09, 2025, 05:00:30 PMThat's ridiculous, Shaka is a nationally known coach. Well accepted by the press. I am sure when he talks to a kid around the country they know him more than the school now. Recruiting should get easier, players know his philosophy. With 2 or 3 openings let's see if he closes the deal on some good kids. The sophomore class in Wisconsin is very good, tired of them going to Iowa St.
We closed the deal on 4 good kids in November........it's a top 20 class.
If 1 or 2 of the local kids decide they want to,stay home great.......assuming Shaka wants them a year from now which is no guarantee........recruiting is always fluid......good looking Sophmores sometimes turn into " we are going in another direction....best of luck" by the time they are juniors or seniors.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 05:23:03 PMYour thoughts about giving Wojo another chance? We could finally become Duke North.
No. We need someone that understands the history of Marquette basketball. Wardle and Barone fit the bill and we need winners who will take advantage of our resources.
I'd like to see either one of them and then bring Travis Diener on as an assistant. He comes from a family of coaches and was a gym rat. We need a gym rat that coaches free throws and not hugs.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2025, 05:29:41 PMNo. We need someone that understands the history of Marquette basketball. Wardle and Barone fit the bill and we need winners who will take advantage of our resources.
I'd like to see either one of them and then bring Travis Diener on as an assistant. He comes from a family of coaches and was a gym rat. We need a gym rat that coaches free throws and not hugs.
This is all being written sarcastically, correct?
Quote from: bradforster on March 09, 2025, 05:41:58 PMThis is all being written sarcastically, correct?
At least you paused rather than taking the bait, hook, line, and sinker like I did recently. ;D Rico has me mounted on the wall with his other trophies. The bastard!
Is this whole thread a joke? 4th consecutive fade? We made sweet 16 last year and won BET the year before. And this year isn't over.
Quality trolling by Rico.
Quote from: tower912 on March 09, 2025, 05:56:50 PMQuality trolling by Rico.
Gotta admit I'm enjoying seeing others reeled in.
Quote from: tower912 on March 09, 2025, 05:56:50 PMQuality trolling by Rico.
100% serious. And it's time for Marquette basketball to get serious. This family and friends garbage needs to be taken to the dump. College basketball is about winning ball games. Period. And we don't win enough of them while we get lapped by UConn and St. John's. Just wait, Dayton will be flying past us like a rocket ship to Mars.
Bravo.
Lol okay I'm new here and from some of the game threads I thought this was a real sentiment
Quote from: Borealtoad on March 09, 2025, 06:31:37 PMLol okay I'm new here and from some of the game threads I thought this was a real sentiment
You will never find a more wretched hive of scum and villainy than the Scoop game threads.
Quote from: Borealtoad on March 09, 2025, 06:31:37 PMLol okay I'm new here and from some of the game threads I thought this was a real sentiment
That is the point. Rico is very good at what he does.
Quote from: tower912 on March 09, 2025, 06:43:31 PMThat is the point. Rico is very good at what he does.
I'm not doing anything
Agreed.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2025, 03:25:37 PMAfter a 4th consecutive end of season fade under Shaka November, Marquette and Mark Broker need to think big and not let Dayton beat us to the punch and hire Brian Wardle.
Though things don't work out today due to some questionable officiating, the work Brian has done at UWGB and Bradley is more impressive than what Shaka has done in Milwaukee.
We have to ask ourselves if we want to be the next DePaul or next St. John's. With Marquette's resources and private jet, imagine what Brian could do at a school with such resources. If we run it back with nonsensical talk about relationships and growth, we're doomed to toilet town. After watching St. John's whoop us in 2 games this year, it's clear we can't compete in the Big East with Shaka as a head coach.
He seems like a nice guy but I think he'd be better suited to coach at a place like Fordham. We can't afford to let Dayton take Wardle and become the new Villanova of Ohio.
Just do it, Mark.
Wardle Slurper...
Quote from: Jables1604 on March 09, 2025, 07:28:29 PMWardle Slurper...
I am a Wardle slurper, yes, I will admit it. If you're not a Wardle Slurper, you're not with me
Quote from: bradforster on March 09, 2025, 05:41:58 PMThis is all being written sarcastically, correct?
Ha! Really? Rico says something he truly believes 1 out of every 200 posts. The other posts are Rico's bizarro world opinions which in many ways makes them reasonable. Some are just filler and tedious. His stamina for curbing ridiculous and semi ridiculous opinions is legendary. Does he skirt the edge of stating everyone is an idiot except for himself and that message boards are completely useless exercises? Yes. But you know he truly loves it because he keeps posting.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 09, 2025, 07:41:34 PMHa! Really? Rico says something he truly believes 1 out of every 200 posts. The other posts are Rico's bizarro world opinions which in many ways makes them reasonable. Some are just filler and tedious. His stamina for curbing ridiculous and semi ridiculous opinions is legendary. Does he skirt the edge of stating everyone is an idiot except for himself and that message boards are completely useless exercises? Yes. But you know he truly loves it because he keeps posting.
No, I'm a self-admitted idiot. It's the ones that don't realize they're idiots that are the problem
I think you are a great fan. An intelligent one as well. Keep doing you. I may not always agree but for the lost part I do. I appreciate your opinions.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2025, 08:00:23 PMNo, I'm a self-admitted idiot. It's the ones that don't they're idiots that are the problem
'Know' is missing.
Intentionally or unintentionally ironic?
Why not Crean?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 09, 2025, 08:19:27 PMWhy not Crean?
He stinks and the fans born before Brown vs. Board of Education don't like him
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2025, 08:22:16 PMHe stinks and the fans born before Brown vs. Board of Education don't like him
Dentists apparently really don't like him, and everyone knows they're such fine judges of character.
Frankly, I've been told we're playing well. Should probably just accept it.
CLAP CLAP
The season begins today!
You have to at least make the call to Madison. Unlikely, but at least make Gard listen
Ya gotta at least call Billy Donovan. And Jay Wright.
How far the Shakoptimists have fallen. Maybe they'll find their footing someday.
I had to check the calendar to make sure it's not April 1.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 09, 2025, 08:37:41 PMFrankly, I've been told we're playing well. Should probably just accept it.
No. That's why we're in toilet town going to the processing plant, accepting mediocrity.
Shaka has to go.
Wardle? Barone? Please.
Since Al McGuire, there's been only one MU guy who has coached a team to a championship.
MU's next coach should be Joe Chapman, who has the only ring since 1977 -- the 2020 TBT Championship.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 10, 2025, 08:13:57 AMWardle? Barone? Please.
Since Al McGuire, there's been only one MU guy who has coached a team to a championship.
MU's next coach should be Joe Chapman, who has the only ring since 1977 -- the 2020 TBT Championship.
There's something about him I don't like.
Quote from: bradforster on March 09, 2025, 05:41:58 PMThis is all being written sarcastically, correct?
No this is totally serious, I would think Hollowell is in the mix.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 10, 2025, 08:13:57 AMWardle? Barone? Please.
Since Al McGuire, there's been only one MU guy who has coached a team to a championship.
MU's next coach should be Joe Chapman, who has the only ring since 1977 -- the 2020 TBT Championship.
If we're being honest this all went sideways when we let Ben Howland get away.
This thread should be titled: It's Time to Think Teal.
There's a sucker born every minute. And most of them are here on this board.
This guy is such an obsessed weirdo.. my god... go outside
Quote from: Johnny B on March 10, 2025, 11:48:05 AMThis guy is such an obsessed weirdo.. my god... go outside
He's in Milwaukee. You don't go outside there.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 11:52:37 AMHe's in Milwaukee. You don't go outside there.
Yeah, I was so afraid & concerned during NMD weekend
Finally decided to read the thread. From Rico and the starter post...here we go.
Early on Rico made me wonder if there is a blocking feature on scoop. Then you get the 💡. Forget Trump, Rico = God level trolling.
So appreciate it. He still fools me once in awhile. But I think I'm wiser for it.
RICO stands for "Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations". .... But is also, in the same way, the troll of trolls on MUSCOOP. ;)
Quote from: Johnny B on March 10, 2025, 11:48:05 AMThis guy is such an obsessed weirdo.. my god... go outside
Huh
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on March 10, 2025, 12:12:35 PMSo appreciate it.
That's right. He's still here. Once he's out of eligibility and gets drafted by the Suns or Sixers message board, who do we have coming up to take over?
Player Coach Ners?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 10, 2025, 12:31:11 PMPlayer Coach Ners?
Pass. Ners likes Shaka's approach and the job he's done so far. He even appreciates the players Shaka has brought through the program. We can't have someone like that in charge
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2025, 12:33:06 PMPass. Ners likes Shaka's approach and the job he's done so far. He even appreciates the players Shaka has brought through the program. We can't have someone like that in charge
But Ners can clean the glass with the best of them
Quote from: tower912 on March 09, 2025, 06:43:31 PMThat is the point. Rico is very good at what he does.
Which us absolutely nothing other than his constant fixation of me living in his mind.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 10, 2025, 02:00:01 PMWhich us absolutely nothing other than his constant fixation of me living in his mind.
You comment way more about him than he does about you.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 10, 2025, 02:00:01 PMWhich us absolutely nothing other than his constant fixation of me living in his mind.
A noble attempt at English, Dung Willie
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 02:01:14 PMYou comment way more about him than he does about you.
Remember wha my I said about the ones that don't realize they're idiots
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 09, 2025, 07:41:34 PMHa! Really? Rico says something he truly believes 1 out of every 200 posts. The other posts are Rico's bizarro world opinions which in many ways makes them reasonable. Some are just filler and tedious. His stamina for curbing ridiculous and semi ridiculous opinions is legendary. Does he skirt the edge of stating everyone is an idiot except for himself and that message boards are completely useless exercises? Yes. But you know he truly loves it because he keeps posting.
Now that is a real classic. His bizzaro opinions seem reasonable? That's like saying Bidens seem reasonable.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 10, 2025, 02:26:53 PMNow that is a real classic. His bizzaro opinions seem reasonable? That's like saying Bidens seem reasonable.
Willie gowne!
Quote from: willie warrior on March 10, 2025, 02:26:53 PMNow that is a real classic. His bizzaro opinions seem reasonable? That's like saying Bidens seem reasonable.
To the dismay of some, this will *only* be a final warning that the uttering politicians names will
still result in a automatic 3 week ban (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66418.msg1684878#msg1684878). I let someone get by with just a warning on the T word last week, so it's only fair.
But I'll go get the hammer ready.
You are patient and benevolent.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 10, 2025, 02:43:21 PMTo the dismay of some, this will *only* be a final warning that the uttering politicians names will still result in a automatic 3 week ban (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66418.msg1684878#msg1684878). I let someone get by with just a warning on the T word last week, so it's only fair.
But I'll go get the hammer ready.
Oops, sorry, missed that rule.
Back to being BOLD.
Again, idiots not knowing they're idiots
Quote from: willie warrior on March 10, 2025, 02:26:53 PMNow that is a real classic. His bizzaro opinions seem reasonable? That's like saying Bidens seem reasonable.
Much better than the citrus fruit, and I've met the dumb fruit.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 10, 2025, 02:43:21 PMTo the dismay of some, this will *only* be a final warning that the uttering politicians names will still result in a automatic 3 week ban (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66418.msg1684878#msg1684878). I let someone get by with just a warning on the T word last week, so it's only fair.
But I'll go get the hammer ready.
Traditional?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2025, 12:33:06 PMPass. Ners likes Shaka's approach and the job he's done so far. He even appreciates the players Shaka has brought through the program. We can't have someone like that in charge
Ners would turn it down. He's still upset that he hasn't gotten the official recognition he deserves for the part he personally played in Wojo getting canned.
With the Minnesota job open, Marquette needs to get proactive on this front.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 13, 2025, 08:35:23 AMWith the Minnesota job open, Marquette needs to get proactive on this front.
Call being made to Wardle, Maya wants out.
I think bald every day.
Bradley travels to San Francisco tonight. I'll be watching
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 05:53:01 PMAt least you paused rather than taking the bait, hook, line, and sinker like I did recently. ;D Rico has me mounted on the wall with his other trophies. The bastard!
Reeker only mounts 2 types of things on his wall: His Picture, and his BS that he spews.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 15, 2025, 05:15:04 PMReeker only mounts 2 types of things on his wall: His Picture, and his BS that he spews.
I wanted to buy you a beer at the game today but you weren't there. Maybe at the next home game. I'll see you there
Quote from: willie warrior on November 15, 2025, 05:15:04 PMReeker only mounts 2 types of things on his wall: His Picture, and his BS that he spews.
And his Warrior pennant. Because his wife knows her place.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2025, 03:25:37 PMAfter a 4th consecutive end of season fade under Shaka November, Marquette and Mark Broker need to think big and not let Dayton beat us to the punch and hire Brian Wardle.
Though things don't work out today due to some questionable officiating, the work Brian has done at UWGB and Bradley is more impressive than what Shaka has done in Milwaukee.
We have to ask ourselves if we want to be the next DePaul or next St. John's. With Marquette's resources and private jet, imagine what Brian could do at a school with such resources. If we run it back with nonsensical talk about relationships and growth, we're doomed to toilet town. After watching St. John's whoop us in 2 games this year, it's clear we can't compete in the Big East with Shaka as a head coach.
He seems like a nice guy but I think he'd be better suited to coach at a place like Fordham. We can't afford to let Dayton take Wardle and become the new Villanova of Ohio.
Just do it, Mark.
This is not a serious statement.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 15, 2025, 08:24:03 PMAs serious as can be
Unfortunately, Oklahoma lost to Nebraska, so Porter Moser is out
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 15, 2025, 08:25:27 PMUnfortunately, Oklahoma lost to Nebraska, so Porter Moser is out
Tauer could be it.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on November 15, 2025, 08:32:58 PMIf only we knew someone close to Drew...
Marquette will have an in. Probably need to keep an eye on the San Francisco side of things tonight, too. Chris Gerlufsen has to be in the mix
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 15, 2025, 08:34:09 PMCould be on board
Tough night for the Wardle Warriors but good night for the Gerlufsen Getters
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 09, 2025, 07:41:34 PMHa! Really? Rico says something he truly believes 1 out of every 200 posts. The other posts are Rico's bizarro world opinions which in many ways makes them reasonable. Some are just filler and tedious. His stamina for curbing ridiculous and semi ridiculous opinions is legendary. Does he skirt the edge of stating everyone is an idiot except for himself and that message boards are completely useless exercises? Yes. But you know he truly loves it because he keeps posting.
That is called narcissism.And many yahoo buy it.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 16, 2025, 06:46:12 AMThat is called narcissism.And many yahoo buy it.
That would be a certain dear leader
Quote from: willie warrior on November 16, 2025, 06:46:12 AMThat is called narcissism.And many yahoo buy it.
You worship the biggest narcissist to ever walk the earth.
A thread about nothing.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on March 10, 2025, 08:13:57 AMWardle? Barone? Please.
Since Al McGuire, there's been only one MU guy who has coached a team to a championship.
MU's next coach should be Joe Chapman, who has the only ring since 1977 -- the 2020 TBT Championship.
Is there a way to make Rico's post default to teal?
Quote from: NCMUFan on November 16, 2025, 08:02:18 PMA thread about nothing.
If things continue to go sideways over the next 18 months, it'll be nice to keep an eye on all the options if we need to replace Shaka.
The no-brainer options are Beard and Wade.
The rest need to be evaluated and judged.
Wardle's audition is not off to a good start. Neither is Moser's.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2025, 07:21:17 AMIf things continue to go sideways over the next 18 months, it'll be nice to keep an eye on all the options if we need to replace Shaka.
The no-brainer options are Beard and Wade.
The rest need to be evaluated and judged.
Wardle's audition is not off to a good start. Neither is Moser's.
I agree with this analysis.
Crean
Dean
Maybe Billy Bean or Charlie Sheen?
Any of them would be peachy keen.
Wolf, Teen?
Heard, not seen?
Lean, mean, and not too far between?
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 17, 2025, 08:03:09 AMI agree with this analysis.
Thank you.
Bryce Drew and GCU don't play again until Friday. I suspect he'll be a hot candidate during the next cycle, so he may not be an option after next year but I'll be watching his team this year closely.
Is Ted Lasso available?
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on November 17, 2025, 10:50:19 AMIs Ted Lasso available?
No, he's no more real than Hologram Al and isn't an option that will or should be discussed. Thank your for your attention to this matter!
Worth keeping an eye on the Badgers game tonight as Brian Barone takes SIUE into Madison. He has a win over Drake. Definitely a team and coach Marquette fans need to keep an eye on this season.
SIUE down 7 at half in Madison. 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
The Barone Express
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2025, 07:46:29 PMSIUE down 7 at half in Madison. 👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀👀
The Barone Express
How well does he use the portal?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 17, 2025, 07:48:25 PMHow well does he use the portal?
Mostly his recruits but has 2 guys in the rotation that are transfers according to the stat sheet
Will Wade gets a win over one of his former haunts as NC State beats VCU
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 17, 2025, 08:13:14 PMWill Wade gets a win over one of his former haunts as NC State beats VCU
Translates into a win over 🤙🏼
Probably worth keeping an eye on Mick Cronin at UCLA. He should be wearing out his welcome at this point and he's a Midwest-ish kind of guy.
USF has a game tonight, too. Should be an easy W for them but after losses to St. Thomas and Central Michigan during the Shaka era, want to see possible hires make sure they handle the cupcakes
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2025, 08:47:31 AMProbably worth keeping an eye on Mick Cronin at UCLA. He should be wearing out his welcome at this point and he's a Midwest-ish kind of guy.
USF has a game tonight, too. Should be an easy W for them but after losses to St. Thomas and Central Michigan during the Shaka era, want to see possible hires make sure they handle the cupcakes
Yeah Bryan Hodgson used to work for Nate Oats, who of course is from Wisconsin originally. Maybe he could bring in Oats as a senior assistant like Steve Lavin did with Gene Keady.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 18, 2025, 08:50:43 AMYeah Bryan Hodgson used to work for Nate Oats, who of course is from Wisconsin originally. Maybe he could bring in Oats as a senior assistant like Steve Lavin did with Gene Keady.
I meant San Francisco but I will add this USF to the watch grid.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 18, 2025, 08:47:31 AMProbably worth keeping an eye on Mick Cronin at UCLA. He should be wearing out his welcome at this point and he's a Midwest-ish kind of guy.
USF has a game tonight, too. Should be an easy W for them but after losses to St. Thomas and Central Michigan during the Shaka era, want to see possible hires make sure they handle the cupcakes
I know you're poking fun, but I disagree with Brews take that Shaka would be let go after b2b under .500 seasons.
I know it's historically been the case, but I assert that Shaka would be a trend setter and make it back as the first coach to do so in Marquette history.
Lucky for us we won't have to find out
Quote from: DoctorV on November 18, 2025, 09:31:00 AMI know you're poking fun, but I disagree with Brews take that Shaka would be let go after b2b under .500 seasons.
I know it's historically been the case, but I assert that Shaka would be a trend setter and make it back as the first coach to do so in Marquette history.
Lucky for us we won't have to find out
I sincerely hope we don't have to find out. I think Shaka's model working would be the best thing for college basketball. From a theory perspective, I think retention and getting to know the players in your program over years is a good thing. I want this to succeed and want our players to all grow and thrive.
That said, I think people forget how quickly it all turned south on Wojo. There was zero thought that Wojo would be dismissed when we got dumped from the Big East Tournament on March 10th. 8 days later, The Case Against came out. I don't think that alone made the decision, but I think its virality was part of why the Board moved their planned meeting up from March 22nd to March 19th and made it easier for Bill Scholl to explain why the time was right to dismiss Wojo. Roughly 24 hours after The Case Against came out, Wojo was fired.
If we have a losing season and Shaka's model is largely seen as the reason for it, we're going to end up with months of fan acrimony growing. The initial student calls of "Use the Portal" will get louder and likely more vitriolic as the season goes on. At that point, will Shaka go to the portal next summer, or will he double down on the 15 committed scholarships we have? I don't know.
But I guarantee the board will see and feel the pressure of a losing season. They know that our CBB investment brings back $3 to the university for every dollar spent (as Lovell said). They know that it is our most visible marketing arm. And they've seen what happens when you slide into DePaul territory. A second losing season in a row would be viewed as catastrophic.
In this century, around the league...
- UConn had losing seasons in both 2017 & 2018, then fired Kevin Ollie despite a national title 4 years earlier and NCAA berth and win 2 years earlier.
- Butler had losing seasons in both 2021 and 2022 and fired LaVall Jordan despite top-25 kenpom finishes in two of the three previous years.
- Georgetown had losing seasons in both 2016 and 2017 and fired JT3 despite 8 bids in the 10 prior years, then had losing seasons in 2022 and 2023 and fired Ewing despite a tourney bid the year before.
- Providence had losing seasons in 2010 and 2011 and fired Keno Davis in year 3. PC did let Tim Welsh return in 2007 (19 years ago) after losing seasons in 05 & 06.
- Villanova (Neptune), Xavier (Steele) and St. John's (Anderson) fired coaches that never had losing seasons. St. John's did let Norm Roberts return in 2010 (16 years ago) after losing seasons in 08 & 09.
- Creighton and Seton Hall haven't had consecutive losing seasons this century.
- ONLY DePaul has allowed multiple coaches to return after consecutive losing seasons.
.
So...do you really think the board would let Marquette become DePaul? Because that's what they would be on the verge of if they let a coach come back after consecutive losing campaigns.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 18, 2025, 09:31:00 AMI know you're poking fun, but I disagree with Brews take that Shaka would be let go after b2b under .500 seasons.
I know it's historically been the case, but I assert that Shaka would be a trend setter and make it back as the first coach to do so in Marquette history.
Lucky for us we won't have to find out
He's gone if they have another losing season after this season.
I'll do the dirty work of updating the board of how possible candidates look.
Brew, I think your take is somber and the situation could possibly play out like that, though I don't think two under .500 seasons would quite get us there. Two areas of skepticism:
--while The Case Against served a bit as the last straw, you seem to be downplaying the negativity around Wojo that had been present for at least a couple of years, centered on his decent recruiting but poor coaching. Certainly the administration was well aware of the Projo v Nojo positions among the fanbase.
--you sound as though you are already drafting your Case Against, even despite your hope that Shaka's model would work.
Regardless, I can't imagine Shaka being so stubborn or the administration being so short-fused that there wouldn't be a change to no-portal model before any sort of firing happened. If, after two under .500 seasons happens, there will be pressure to change. But, Shaka wouldn't ever get another P5 job if he refuses to change if his approach is not successful enough for MU. And, MU is so enamored with Shaka as THE person representing the university that they will push him to adapt before they push him out.
Quote from: mug644 on November 18, 2025, 10:53:02 AMBrew, I think your take is somber and the situation could possibly play out like that, though I don't think two under .500 seasons would quite get us there. Two areas of skepticism:
--while The Case Against served a bit as the last straw, you seem to be downplaying the negativity around Wojo that had been present for at least a couple of years, centered on his decent recruiting but poor coaching. Certainly the administration was well aware of the Projo v Nojo positions among the fanbase.
--you sound as though you are already drafting your Case Against, even despite your hope that Shaka's model would work.
Regardless, I can't imagine Shaka being so stubborn or the administration being so short-fused that there wouldn't be a change to no-portal model before any sort of firing happened. If, after two under .500 seasons happens, there will be pressure to change. But, Shaka wouldn't ever get another P5 job if he refuses to change if his approach is not successful enough for MU. And, MU is so enamored with Shaka as THE person representing the university that they will push him to adapt before they push him out.
This nails it. The idea that some article by a fan is what caused Marquette's decision makers to decide to move on from Wojo because a couple hundred fans might see it is some sort of inflated sense of self worth. Coupled with the fact that posts are suggesting the coaching staff went out of their way to make brew look bad by talking up bad basketball players and making him look foolish for predicting a second place finish in the Big East. You need to understand why coaching staffs talk up the players they do in the offseason. Did you really think Sean Jones and Caedin Hamilton were going to be better players than Chase Ross and Ben Gold? There's a reason you heard very little about Chase and Ben. They are established players. We know they will be good. Sean and Caedin are guys we need to step up, so the coaching staff is pumping out positive stuff to the media. If Caedin was going to be an All Big East player, there's no way the staff is shouting that from the top of the mountain before the season. There's a strategy to these things.
Quote from: withoutbias on November 18, 2025, 11:02:08 AMThis nails it. The idea that some article by a fan is what caused Marquette's decision makers to decide to move on from Wojo because a couple hundred fans might see it is some sort of inflated sense of self worth.
Well, brew said above that he didn't think it was the only reason. But also, the article was referenced by college basketball people on Twitter, so it wasn't simply "a couple hundred fans."
Furthermore, I have heard from others that it encapsulated arguments that boosters and others had been making to the administration for awhile. Though I do think there was more momentum after the loss to Georgetown than people think.
I simply didn't think we had alums who would combine to pony up $7M. The case against was pretty obvious - no disrespect to brewski, who presented it well..
Quote from: withoutbias on November 18, 2025, 11:02:08 AMThis nails it. The idea that some article by a fan is what caused Marquette's decision makers to decide to move on from Wojo because a couple hundred fans might see it is some sort of inflated sense of self worth.
Not why I referenced it, and if you read the entire post you'd know that. I specifically said "
it made it easier for Bill Scholl to explain why the time was right to dismiss Wojo." I think there's a good chance the conversation was going to happen regardless, but the timetable changed because of the virality of the article.
But the point was more how quickly things can change when you're losing. This place may be a microcosm of a small portion of the fanbase, but imagine how toxic it would be if we finish this year 15-17 and are worse next year. Imagine what the students will be chanting at games. Imagine what the admin will be thinking as season ticket numbers and overall sales further decline. Imagine what the boosters will do if they think the brand is being damaged.
Quote from: withoutbias on November 18, 2025, 11:02:08 AMCoupled with the fact that posts are suggesting the coaching staff went out of their way to make brew look bad by talking up bad basketball players and making him look foolish for predicting a second place finish in the Big East.
What? ;D ;D ;D I make predictions of finish every year and know when I write them that I'll get many wrong, because that's what happens when you make predictions. I don't view this season as a reflection on myself regardless. If my skin was that thin I would've stopped posting previews and bracketology years ago.
Quote from: mug644 on November 18, 2025, 10:53:02 AM--while The Case Against served a bit as the last straw, you seem to be downplaying the negativity around Wojo that had been present for at least a couple of years, centered on his decent recruiting but poor coaching. Certainly the administration was well aware of the Projo v Nojo positions among the fanbase.
I think that quietly started here after Shaka's first year when he didn't replace Justin. O-Max and Joplin keeping up the level of success kept that dull roar quiet, but there's been pushback on the RGV model from the moment fans realized we weren't really competing in the transfer market, and last year stoked that a bit as Kam wore down.
Quote from: mug644 on November 18, 2025, 10:53:02 AM--you sound as though you are already drafting your Case Against, even despite your hope that Shaka's model would work.
Definitely not, but looking ahead I can see how sticking to RGV in spite of declining results would basically let that story write itself.
Quote from: mug644 on November 18, 2025, 10:53:02 AMRegardless, I can't imagine Shaka being so stubborn or the administration being so short-fused that there wouldn't be a change to no-portal model before any sort of firing happened. If, after two under .500 seasons happens, there will be pressure to change. But, Shaka wouldn't ever get another P5 job if he refuses to change if his approach is not successful enough for MU. And, MU is so enamored with Shaka as THE person representing the university that they will push him to adapt before they push him out.
Considering how strongly Shaka has discussed his wishes to not use the portal, I think it's more likely he'd pull a Bennett or Wright and walk away.
There seems to be a consensus that he will go to the portal when he needs to or when encouraged to by the powers that be. Reading everything he's said on it, all the articles and product push around RGV, I just don't believe it.
I really hope the model works, if it doesn't I hope Shaka embraces selective portal use, but until I see him take a transfer, I really don't think it will happen. Building it his way is a major part of why he left Texas to come here. I think Shaka truly believes in his convictions, and RGV is at the center of those convictions.
Quote from: mug644 on November 18, 2025, 10:53:02 AMIf, after two under .500 seasons happens, there will be pressure to change.
It'd be after this season. Zero chance they finish under .500 and say let's run the same team back but without Ross and Gold. In the event they finish under .500, they will cut bait on some upperclassmen and upperclassmen to be. I think people underestimate how much negativity there would be if the team finished under 500.
The reaction here to the first slow start in Shaka's tenure is absolutely bonkers.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 18, 2025, 11:53:40 AMIt'd be after this season. Zero chance they finish under .500 and say let's run the same team back but without Ross and Gold. In the event they finish under .500, they will cut bait on some upperclassmen and upperclassmen to be. I think people underestimate how much negativity there would be if the team finished under 500.
Perhaps but I think the more realistic scenario is that they win just enough to hover around the 'First 8 out' range winning like 17 or 18 games. Never really threatening to get it but just kind of hanging out there. Then what happens?
Quote from: wadesworld on November 18, 2025, 11:54:27 AMThe reaction here to the first slow start in Shaka's tenure is absolutely bonkers.
How? No one wants him fired now (except Farley, but he's just a troll.) People are speaking mostly on hypotheticals. But you can't say there aren't concerns - ones that have carried over from how last year ended.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 18, 2025, 11:57:16 AMHow? No one wants him fired now (except Farley, but he's just a troll.) People are speaking mostly on hypotheticals. But you can't say there aren't concerns - ones that have carried over from how last year ended.
I mean, talking about how Shaka laid out the groundwork for his downfall at Marquette because he didn't replace Justin Lewis with a portal guy? When the guy he trusted to replace Justin Lewis left early for the NBA after a Big East regular season and Tournament title? It's cool if people were concerned and upset at the time I guess, but we have 20/20 hindsight here. To hang onto that so that at the first sign of rocky waters we can point to that?!
I don't know, maybe that should be looked at as proof that Shaka might know what he's doing?
Down years happen. We are 5 games into this season. Of course there are concerns. Very few programs don't have concerns. Shaka has won 67% of his games in his career and 70% of his games at Marquette. He took over a dying program and immediately had them in the Tournament. He won a Big East regular season and Tournament title. He's got a 9, 2, 2, and 7 seed in the Tournament.
We're 3-2 5 games in and we're talking about how Shaka was digging his own grave after year 1?
Absolutely bonkers.
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Quote from: wadesworld on November 18, 2025, 12:04:23 PMI mean, talking about how Shaka laid out the groundwork for his downfall at Marquette because he didn't replace Justin Lewis with a portal guy? When the guy he trusted to replace Justin Lewis left early for the NBA after a Big East regular season and Tournament title? It's cool if people were concerned and upset at the time I guess, but we have 20/20 hindsight here. To hang onto that so that at the first sign of rocky waters we can point to that?!
I don't know, maybe that should be looked at as proof that Shaka might know what he's doing?
Down years happen. We are 5 games into this season. Of course there are concerns. Very few programs don't have concerns. Shaka has won 67% of his games in his career and 70% of his games at Marquette. He took over a dying program and immediately had them in the Tournament. He won a Big East regular season and Tournament title. He's got a 9, 2, 2, and 7 seed in the Tournament.
We're 3-2 5 games in and we're talking about how Shaka was digging his own grave after year 1?
Absolutely bonkers.
I guess if you want to point out all the whacky outliers in a topic, go ahead. Most of the discussion here has been pretty reasonable and not "bonkers" at all.
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Quote from: wadesworld on November 18, 2025, 12:04:23 PMI mean, talking about how Shaka laid out the groundwork for his downfall at Marquette because he didn't replace Justin Lewis with a portal guy? When the guy he trusted to replace Justin Lewis left early for the NBA after a Big East regular season and Tournament title? It's cool if people were concerned and upset at the time I guess, but we have 20/20 hindsight here. To hang onto that so that at the first sign of rocky waters we can point to that?!
I don't know, maybe that should be looked at as proof that Shaka might know what he's doing?
Down years happen. We are 5 games into this season. Of course there are concerns. Very few programs don't have concerns. Shaka has won 67% of his games in his career and 70% of his games at Marquette. He took over a dying program and immediately had them in the Tournament. He won a Big East regular season and Tournament title. He's got a 9, 2, 2, and 7 seed in the Tournament.
We're 3-2 5 games in and we're talking about how Shaka was digging his own grave after year 1?
Absolutely bonkers.
I think the MODS should unlock the Daily Dose of Doom Thread to lift our spirits.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2025, 11:56:43 AMPerhaps but I think the more realistic scenario is that they win just enough to hover around the 'First 8 out' range winning like 17 or 18 games. Never really threatening to get it but just kind of hanging out there. Then what happens?
17-18 wins wouldn't have us in First 8 out. Might not even be good enough to get us a Crown invite (which we contractually have to accept before NIT).
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 18, 2025, 09:57:52 AMI sincerely hope we don't have to find out. I think Shaka's model working would be the best thing for college basketball. From a theory perspective, I think retention and getting to know the players in your program over years is a good thing. I want this to succeed and want our players to all grow and thrive.
That said, I think people forget how quickly it all turned south on Wojo. There was zero thought that Wojo would be dismissed when we got dumped from the Big East Tournament on March 10th. 8 days later, The Case Against came out. I don't think that alone made the decision, but I think its virality was part of why the Board moved their planned meeting up from March 22nd to March 19th and made it easier for Bill Scholl to explain why the time was right to dismiss Wojo. Roughly 24 hours after The Case Against came out, Wojo was fired.
If we have a losing season and Shaka's model is largely seen as the reason for it, we're going to end up with months of fan acrimony growing. The initial student calls of "Use the Portal" will get louder and likely more vitriolic as the season goes on. At that point, will Shaka go to the portal next summer, or will he double down on the 15 committed scholarships we have? I don't know.
But I guarantee the board will see and feel the pressure of a losing season. They know that our CBB investment brings back $3 to the university for every dollar spent (as Lovell said). They know that it is our most visible marketing arm. And they've seen what happens when you slide into DePaul territory. A second losing season in a row would be viewed as catastrophic.
In this century, around the league...
- UConn had losing seasons in both 2017 & 2018, then fired Kevin Ollie despite a national title 4 years earlier and NCAA berth and win 2 years earlier.
- Butler had losing seasons in both 2021 and 2022 and fired LaVall Jordan despite top-25 kenpom finishes in two of the three previous years.
- Georgetown had losing seasons in both 2016 and 2017 and fired JT3 despite 8 bids in the 10 prior years, then had losing seasons in 2022 and 2023 and fired Ewing despite a tourney bid the year before.
- Providence had losing seasons in 2010 and 2011 and fired Keno Davis in year 3. PC did let Tim Welsh return in 2007 (19 years ago) after losing seasons in 05 & 06.
- Villanova (Neptune), Xavier (Steele) and St. John's (Anderson) fired coaches that never had losing seasons. St. John's did let Norm Roberts return in 2010 (16 years ago) after losing seasons in 08 & 09.
- Creighton and Seton Hall haven't had consecutive losing seasons this century.
- ONLY DePaul has allowed multiple coaches to return after consecutive losing seasons.
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To start, I don't think we will have B2B losing seasons. I'm not convinced we will have a single losing season.
Not really sure how relevant most of these comparisons are because, for the most part, additional context isn't included.
For example, Neptune had no success after Wright's departure and the program was clearly trending downwards.
Ewing was a trainwreck, notwithstanding what was clearly a lucky run in the conference tourney.
Aside from JT3, did any of these guys have the level of success Shaka has had in his first 4 years? In my opinion, he's banked a lot of goodwill that these other examples have not.
Just a very surface-level comparison for me.
"So...do you really think the board would let Marquette become DePaul? Because that's what they would be on the verge of if they let a coach come back after consecutive losing campaigns."The above is so hyperbolic I'm not sure what to even say...
[Sarcasm alert for those who have difficulty decifering]
I'm so glad that we waited for at least 2 whole losses on the season before we lost our collective minds. This team will clearly play exactly like they have against Indiana and Maryland all season long. There's no way this team will grow and improve. It's not like they're mostly a young and inexperienced group with only two seniors to help guide them, especially in the PG role...
Good god! I think some of the people who get so caught up in the predictive metrics (count me among them) get to the point of worshipping the numbers and the early game "eye test" that they fail to just let the season play out. Most of all, let them grow and let it play dividends going forward. We have to "get old" again!
But no, we seriously have people (non-Rico) making the case of getting rid of Shaka bc of his philosophy that SO FAR has netted us 5 straight seasons of NCAAT berths and 2 different BE conf championships.
We KNEW the team lost a lot this year and is super young... that's not ideal when you're trying to get old and stay old, but we also had several good years of staying old and knew this was coming. Have some damn patience already and watch this team grow this year with OUR guys. I absolutely hate the portal system and love that we get to see our guys grow up and improve. Sorry some of you are entitled and spoiled and can't deal with a little bit of adversity.
OK, sorry... end of incoherent, meandering rant!
Quote from: UWW2MU on November 18, 2025, 01:56:25 PMBut no, we seriously have people (non-Rico) making the case of getting rid of Shaka bc of his philosophy that SO FAR has netted us 5 straight seasons of NCAAT berths and 2 different BE conf championships.
We have one person who thinks we should be getting rid of Shaka. And he's a troll.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 18, 2025, 01:36:30 PM17-18 wins wouldn't have us in First 8 out. Might not even be good enough to get us a Crown invite (which we contractually have to accept before NIT).
Ok well whatever that number is.
7-4 NonCon, 12-8 conference. 19-12, they miss the tournament. Not close to a losing season but still a sour tasting one.
What happens then?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2025, 03:05:51 PMOk well whatever that number is.
7-4 NonCon, 12-8 conference. 19-12, they miss the tournament. Not close to a losing season but still a sour tasting one.
What happens then?
They'll play in the NIT or the Crown and it would be chalked up as a rebuilding year.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 18, 2025, 03:08:07 PMThey'll play in the NIT or the Crown and it would be chalked up as a rebuilding year.
So worse than finishing 12-19 and forcing a change of roster construction? I don't see Marquette firing him even after 2 years of 19-12 and missing the tournament. Is that crazy?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2025, 03:14:13 PMSo worse than finishing 12-19 and forcing a change of roster construction? I don't see Marquette firing him even after 2 years of 19-12 and missing the tournament.
You are probably correct.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 18, 2025, 03:14:48 PMYou are probably correct.
Seems like we are in an awkward place as a program. Not a fun feeling!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2025, 03:16:07 PMSeems like we are in an awkward place as a program. Not a fun feeling!
Again, this stuff is absolutely crazy. We're 14% of the way into the season. We're hoping for a horrendous season so that we can either force our head coach, who has won 70% of his games here and been a 9 seed, 2 seed, 2 seed, and 7 seed after a decade of not winning a Tournament game, into completely changing how builds a roster or fire him.
There is nothing awkward about where we are as a program. We're in great hands.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2025, 03:16:07 PMSeems like we are in an awkward place as a program. Not a fun feeling!
You're overthinking it a bit.
They can finish 19-12 or 18-13 or whatever and miss out on the dance, but see a lot of growth over the next few months where Shaka stays the course and course corrects with a bid next season.
Or, Shaka's us all and brings in one impact guy when an underachieving upperclassman moves along.
Or, next years frosh/RS class ends up with some additional BE type of talents.
Or a combo of the above where generally speaking Shaka stays the course.
That's the most likely scenario imo
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2025, 03:16:07 PMSeems like we are in an awkward place as a program. Not a fun feeling!
I don't think is the case. It's a rebuilding year. Everyone knew it would be that. We are just debating how much of a rebuilding year it was going to be.
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Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2025, 03:05:51 PMOk well whatever that number is.
7-4 NonCon, 12-8 conference. 19-12, they miss the tournament. Not close to a losing season but still a sour tasting one.
What happens then?
Then I don't think there's much to worry about. We miss the tourney and are disappointed, but all in all fine.
Currently, Kenpom projects us at 17-14 (10-10). I think it starts to get dicey if instead of 7-4 in non-con, we lose to Oklahoma and end up at 6-5, then go 9-11 in league. Going into the BET at 15-16 is vastly different than 19-12 or even 17-14.
I'm talking specifically about two losing seasons. 15-17, 14-18 in back to back years, that won't end well for anyone. We're more win-now than we were when Crean went to back-to-back NITs (and the NIT mattered more then) but if we're still right on the cusp of bids, it'll be accepted for 2 years.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2025, 03:14:13 PMSo worse than finishing 12-19 and forcing a change of roster construction? I don't see Marquette firing him even after 2 years of 19-12 and missing the tournament. Is that crazy?
In no world is a 19-12 finish worse for the future of the program than a 12-19 finish.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 18, 2025, 03:45:42 PMIn no world is a 19-12 finish worse for the future of the program than a 12-19 finish.
We get a better draft pick if we finish with a worse record.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 18, 2025, 03:45:42 PMIn no world is a 19-12 finish worse for the future of the program than a 12-19 finish.
I totally agree.
It just seems like the fanbase is turning on Shaka already. I don't think he could get fired for 2 seasons of missing the tournament but it seems like people already want him canned for realizing we are going to miss the tournament this year.
Seems like we are at the start of a weird relationship between fans and coach. I love Shaka here.
Please focus on who the next head coach could be and take this discussion into the recruiting thread. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2025, 03:52:30 PMI totally agree.
It just seems like the fanbase is turning on Shaka already. I don't think he could get fired for 2 seasons of missing the tournament but it seems like people already want him canned for realizing we are going to miss the tournament this year.
Seems like we are at the start of a weird relationship between fans and coach. I love Shaka here.
Scoop does not equal the fan base..........
Quote from: MuMark on November 18, 2025, 04:02:36 PMScoop does not equal the fan base..........
Brew said the student section was chanting "use the portal" on Saturday. That's a good portion of the fans in attendance.
I wish they'd use the portal sometimes too but chanting that seems a bit much. I don't think 1 bad season is going to make him do a total 180 like some seem to think either.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2025, 04:06:58 PMBrew said the student section was chanting "use the portal" on Saturday. That's a good portion of the fans in attendance.
I wish they'd use the portal sometimes too but chanting that seems a bit much. I don't think 1 bad season is going to make him do a total 180 like some seem to think either.
I wouldn't worry about it............seriously.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 18, 2025, 03:47:51 PMWe get a better draft pick if we finish with a worse record.
Good point. And I think we get some extra portal money.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 18, 2025, 03:31:00 PMI don't think is the case. It's a rebuilding year. Everyone knew it would be that. We are just debating how much of a rebuilding year it was going to be.
#FakeNews #Lies
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2025/09/too-much-young-talent-in-program-to_12.html?m=1
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2025/10/marquette-preview-2025-26.html?m=1
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 18, 2025, 03:52:30 PMI totally agree.
It just seems like the fanbase is turning on Shaka already. I don't think he could get fired for 2 seasons of missing the tournament but it seems like people already want him canned for realizing we are going to miss the tournament this year.
Seems like we are at the start of a weird relationship between fans and coach. I love Shaka here.
Anyone who wants him canned 5 games into a season after the previous 4 years of success is an idiot and should be ignored.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 18, 2025, 04:27:08 PMAnyone who wants him canned 5 games into a season after the previous 4 years of success is an idiot and should be ignored.
We're on the same page. It just seems like it is way louder than it should be.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 18, 2025, 04:25:18 PM#FakeNews #Lies
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2025/09/too-much-young-talent-in-program-to_12.html?m=1
http://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2025/10/marquette-preview-2025-26.html?m=1
Accurate, and there's reason for that. Marquette returned the third most minutes in the country from last year behind just Purdue and UConn. The theory of the RGV model is that continuous experience should prevent the need for rebuilding years and give a constant floor. Not panning out that way so far, but if continuity is as valuable as we've been told, it should prevent the need for rebuilding years.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 18, 2025, 04:32:35 PMNot panning out that way so far, but if continuity is as valuable as we've been told, it should prevent the need for rebuilding years.
Yes, especially when we've prob gotten a little bit more than projected from true frosh NJ & AS.
Let's get back on track. 6-5 seems very possible, 7-4 most likely, 8-3 a dream... but maybe I'll try to be a dreamer for now. Although 5-6 feels a lil more likely than 8-3 right now. #pray
There are 3 schools that have a current streak of more then 7 ncaa tournaments in a row.........Michigan Stae , Gonzaga and Purdue.........that's the list.
I don't think any model guarantees no rebuilding years........having a hall of fame coach who stays at your school forever seems to give you the best chance.
I don't think the issue is 'no rebuilding years'. I think what has people concerned is that this is the first true year of the Shaka model: no transfers, no Wojo recruits.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on November 18, 2025, 05:00:31 PMI don't think the issue is 'no rebuilding years'. I think what has people concerned is that this is the first true year of the Shaka model: no transfers, no Wojo recruits.
I still think the model is fine. The issue to me is that the talent/contributions in the sophomore and junior classes isn't there outside of Zaide. The Freshmen are ahead of schedule and the seniors are good enough.
Can't have a lot of misses with this model, and Hamilton, Owens, and Norman look like big ones right now.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 18, 2025, 05:52:06 PMI still think the model is fine. The issue to me is that the talent/contributions in the sophomore and junior classes isn't there outside of Zaide. The Freshmen are ahead of schedule and the seniors are good enough.
Can't have a lot of misses with this model, and Hamilton, Owens, and Norman look like big ones right now.
Fully agree.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 18, 2025, 04:32:35 PMAccurate, and there's reason for that. Marquette returned the third most minutes in the country from last year behind just Purdue and UConn. The theory of the RGV model is that continuous experience should prevent the need for rebuilding years and give a constant floor. Not panning out that way so far, but if continuity is as valuable as we've been told, it should prevent the need for rebuilding years.
I guess if past season minutes determines wins we have second in the Big East wrapped up.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 18, 2025, 05:52:06 PMI still think the model is fine. The issue to me is that the talent/contributions in the sophomore and junior classes isn't there outside of Zaide. The Freshmen are ahead of schedule and the seniors are good enough.
Can't have a lot of misses with this model, and Hamilton, Owens, and Norman look like big ones right now.
Yeah I think this is kind of the issue that he has to figure out......and I have faith he will
You can afford to have misses......everybody does.......but when you redshirt guys....like AL Amadou.....Itjere....now Caedin and they are don't pan out that's a lot of development time and resources that end up being wasted.
Still time for Caedin but he needs to show it.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 18, 2025, 05:52:06 PMI still think the model is fine. The issue to me is that the talent/contributions in the sophomore and junior classes isn't there outside of Zaide. The Freshmen are ahead of schedule and the seniors are good enough.
Can't have a lot of misses with this model, and Hamilton, Owens, and Norman look like big ones right now.
Two full classes with not much to show for is a pretty big chunk of the model so far. How long is the leash if the model fails to pay dividends in even the next couple of years?
Not excited about this year, they better turn it around quickly. But next year might have issues as well. I hope a couple of kids leave, so Shaka can find a true scorer. Or the new freshman, Walker and Alex, are ready to step in right away that can score. Transfers, portal Shaka does not know those words.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 18, 2025, 10:34:46 PMNot excited about this year, they better turn it around quickly. But next year might have issues as well. I hope a couple of kids leave, so Shaka can find a true scorer. Or the new freshman, Walker and Alex, are ready to step in right away that can score. Transfers, portal Shaka does not know those words.
Thanks.
Willie's beloved, Brian Wardle and his Braves host Mass-Lowell tonight in a "get right" game for the floundering Bradley program. It's getting late early for Brian.
George Washington and Chris Caputo host UMBC tonight. 👀
Chris Caputo should be mentioned in the "It's Time to Think Bald" topic, along with Herb Sendek and Mick Cronin.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2025, 07:14:32 AMWillie's beloved, Brian Wardle and his Braves host Mass-Lowell tonight in a "get right" game for the floundering Bradley program. It's getting late early for Brian.
George Washington and Chris Caputo host UMBC tonight. 👀
Thank you for all you're doing here, I have created a thread to move all none future coach search. Please post there, only future coach analysis in this thread.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 19, 2025, 07:51:40 AMChris Caputo should be mentioned in the "It's Time to Think Bald" topic, along with Herb Sendek and Mick Cronin.
Our next coach can be bald. Just as long as they're not short or not white.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 19, 2025, 07:52:26 AMThank you for all you're doing here, I have created a thread to move all none future coach search. Please post there, only future coach analysis in this thread.
Thank you for your attention to this matter! But things happen!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2025, 07:53:44 AMThank you for your attention to this matter! But things happen!
So strange, a thread that goes off topic on Scoop.
Quote from: Markusquette on November 18, 2025, 07:39:01 PMTwo full classes with not much to show for is a pretty big chunk of the model so far. How long is the leash if the model fails to pay dividends in even the next couple of years?
I'm not ready to write off both classes, but I do have to wonder if those classes are the "let's prove to kids we believe and live what we preach." You can already see it paying off with the freshman class and incoming class. The entire philosophy was uprooted, it takes a little time to prove to kids that MU is the place to play.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 19, 2025, 07:57:38 AMSo strange, a thread that goes off topic on Scoop.
Quiet, piggy.
THINK
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on November 19, 2025, 09:41:57 AMI'm not ready to write off both classes, but I do have to wonder if those classes are the "let's prove to kids we believe and live what we preach." You can already see it paying off with the freshman class and incoming class. The entire philosophy was uprooted, it takes a little time to prove to kids that MU is the place to play.
I'm not entirely writing off for now either. The miss rate has to be lower with this philosophy in the current landscape of college hoops.
Quote from: Markusquette on November 19, 2025, 01:42:01 PMI'm not entirely writing off for now either. The miss rate has to be lower with this philosophy in the current landscape of college hoops.
So, I hear you, but not every team is stacked 1-15, even 1-5. If we get one or two hits and the third or fourth are culture and practice guys who get spot minutes, is it that much different than the portal hits and misses? We aren't getting the unicorn big or the 6'4" three point shooting point guard in the portal, only a couple teams are. So, in four years of Shaka's philosophy with his roster, we should be an eight strong deep consistently. Seems good to me.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on November 19, 2025, 02:15:38 PMSo, I hear you, but not every team is stacked 1-15, even 1-5. If we get one or two hits and the third or fourth are culture and practice guys who get spot minutes, is it that much different than the portal hits and misses? We aren't getting the unicorn big or the 6'4" three point shooting point guard in the portal, only a couple teams are. So, in four years of Shaka's philosophy with his roster, we should be an eight strong deep consistently. Seems good to me.
As a few others have said, if Parham and Owens aren't legit, it really hurts what Shaka wanted to do. They were great recruiting gets, and Parham had some real nice stretches as a freshman last season. We need him to take the next step. Owens, that's a mystery.
I think everyone knew this year was a rebuild in some capacity or another but the issue, in my opinion, is with the sophomores. We knew a long time ago that Tre wasn't developing as we hoped. Zaide came out of the blue the second half of last year but looked lost for the beginning and given what Royce showed last year and Owens showed in scrimmages I think a lot of us were banking on that class being the next "Guardians". If they continue to bust as they have so far, we're back to a complete rebuild to get old.
Now maybe Owens pulls a Zaide and gets it together the back half of the season after looking inept the first half of sophomore year but as it stands (given I already accepted this year wasn't going to be much to write home about) I am more concerned that Zaide can't fill Chase's shoes, Parham can't fill Ben's and neither of Owens & Tre developed into remotely serviceable upper class men. That means we're eating two seasons to get experienced and good again.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on November 19, 2025, 03:01:19 PMI think everyone knew this year was a rebuild in some capacity or another but the issue, in my opinion, is with the sophomores. We knew a long time ago that Tre wasn't developing as we hoped. Zaide came out of the blue the second half of last year but looked lost for the beginning and given what Royce showed last year and Owens showed in scrimmages I think a lot of us were banking on that class being the next "Guardians". If they continue to bust as they have so far, we're back to a complete rebuild to get old.
Now maybe Owens pulls a Zaide and gets it together the back half of the season after looking inept the first half of sophomore year but as it stands (given I already accepted this year wasn't going to be much to write home about) I am more concerned that Zaide can't fill Chase's shoes, Parham can't fill Ben's and neither of Owens & Tre developed into remotely serviceable upper class men. That means we're eating two seasons to get experienced and good again.
Agreed completely unless Nigel James and Adrien Stevens are truly the next DJ and JM. And Alex is a revelation.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 19, 2025, 03:04:52 PMAgreed completely unless Nigel James and Adrien Stevens are truly the next DJ and JM. And Alex is a revelation.
And Sheek.
I still think Parham is gonna have what most would consider a good year in which he'll have progressed nicely. Only wishful thinking? We'll see.
When talking about the struggles this year and possibly next, let's not forget that last year's conference play was also nothing to write home about.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on November 19, 2025, 02:15:38 PMSo, I hear you, but not every team is stacked 1-15, even 1-5. If we get one or two hits and the third or fourth are culture and practice guys who get spot minutes, is it that much different than the portal hits and misses? We aren't getting the unicorn big or the 6'4" three point shooting point guard in the portal, only a couple teams are. So, in four years of Shaka's philosophy with his roster, we should be an eight strong deep consistently. Seems good to me.
Key words: should be. I genuinely hope that comes to fruition. Certainly don't need to be 10 deep with 2-3 high caliber players each year.
However I disagree about unavailability in the portal. The off season is essentially a giant free agent pool. There's no reason to think MU can't bring in a couple of high-impact players each year, if they want to. Many of our fellow Big East competitors and the loathed Badgers do it successfully.
Shaka's so married to "Our Way" he's boxed himself in as much as developed a unique vision. Portal is about supplementing the philosophy. One or two vetted, high-character guys with real college tape keeps a growing roster competitive. Miss rate is lower when you're evaluating proven production, not AAU projection. What's frustrating is seeing big gaps in the roster for a couple of years knowing the potential impact a solid transfer could have made.
I think there is really only one option at this point. Here's a poem to sell the final, and should be only candidate.
In a land where rumors sprout like threes from Markus Howard's hand,
Marquette's latest coaching chatter spreads boldly 'cross the land.
Not that anyone requested it, but here we go again—
Let's hunt a coach who'll bring the glory... or at least a decent grin.
First up: the alumni legends, scattered far and wide,
All coaching somewhere respectable—or at least they tried.
There's Travis Diener, in Fond du Lac, a sideline mastermind,
Who'd run the team like TBT: shoot early, shoot often, you'll be fine.
Wesley Matthews, still playing?, but let's just hand him the board—
He'll draw up plays like "Give the ball to me," and instantly be adored.
Or maybe Tony Smith, a hometown coach with flair,
Could stroll in, sip a coffee, yell "Defense!"—vibes everywhere.
Brian Wardle, proven winner, could stride back into town,
Clipboards in hand, ready to teach transition before the ball hits the ground.
He'd bring structure, effort, hustle—and a raised eyebrow or two—
Perfect prep for every Big East game that ends 59–52.
Bart Lundy left Milwaukee, but hey, he's done this gig before;
He could return like a sitcom reboot that no one asked for.
And don't forget Jim McIlvaine, with height enough to see
What every ref on earth somehow still misses constantly.
But wait—what's this?
Across the horizon, with hair perfectly blown...
A familiar figure appears, stepping into the light alone.
A man of passion. A man of volume.
A man of timeout usage unknown.
Tom Crean.
Back to save the day, rewrite the lore,
And maybe yell "Let's GOOOOOO" just a little too loud once more.
He'd install 47-ball-screen offenses, extremely optional defense,
And charm every recruit's parent with enthusiastic... "energy presence."
Could he return? Should he return?
Would anyone stop him if he just walked in?
A mystery. A legend. A man with a laminated practice plan
And more motivational quotes than your cousin selling vitamins on Instagram.
So raise a glass, Marquette fans,
To coaching names from far and near—
Because nothing says "program stability"
Like talking about this in a perfectly normal year.
TLDR, please keep this thread on topic. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Quote from: Markusquette on November 19, 2025, 05:10:27 PMKey words: should be. I genuinely hope that comes to fruition. Certainly don't need to be 10 deep with 2-3 high caliber players each year.
However I disagree about unavailability in the portal. The off season is essentially a giant free agent pool. There's no reason to think MU can't bring in a couple of high-impact players each year, if they want to. Many of our fellow Big East competitors and the loathed Badgers do it successfully.
Shaka's so married to "Our Way" he's boxed himself in as much as developed a unique vision. Portal is about supplementing the philosophy. One or two vetted, high-character guys with real college tape keeps a growing roster competitive. Miss rate is lower when you're evaluating proven production, not AAU projection. What's frustrating is seeing a big gaps in the roster for a couple of years knowing the potential impact a solid transfer could have made.
Shaka's "way" is not opening a bigger bag for a free agent than the bags he's promised to returning players who have made multi-year commitments to Marquette.
You might think he should, and that's ok. We all have opinions. But there is no reason to think he will change that part of his philosophy. So pining for it is unproductive.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 19, 2025, 05:41:38 PMTLDR, please keep this thread on topic. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Is haiku format better?
Diener draws up shots
Sidelines hum with quick releases
Net whispers "why not?"
Wardle strides back home
Clipboard steady, brows determined
Defense packs the lane
On an ATV
Karate uniforms flap
Tom Crean shouts "Let's go"
First you try to money whip Otz into coming home (yes, he will obviously say no).
Porter Moser would leave Oklahoma tomorrow to come here.
Eric Henderson has ties to the state and has been really successful at a few stops now. Good up and coming coach.
The only transfers we're going to see are players transferring out
I certainly hope so
Quote from: MU82 on November 19, 2025, 05:46:35 PMShaka's "way" is not opening a bigger bag for a free agent than the bags he's promised to returning players who have made multi-year commitments to Marquette.
How do I say this nicely: while I agree with MU82's assessment, the idea of not using the portal is total nonsense.
In the consulting job from which I recently retired, if the heads of our firm or our practice could find a "free agent" with a big book of business and an opportunity to lift our firm to heights we previously had not been, do you think for a minute they'd worry about recruiting over our junior staff?
Not a chance.
Sorry folks, this is the real world.
As much as I admire Coach Shaka's commitment to his recruits, the only part of RGV that matters to most of us is the "V" part. Losing with character is still losing. Most of us want to win with character and we might sacrifice some of the "R" or "G" for a few "V"s against teams like Maryland, Indiana and Dayton.
Coach Shaka has some built-up goodwill and is entitled to some slack. But tonight consumed more of that goodiwll than any of us want to acknowledge.
Quote from: Markusquette on November 19, 2025, 05:10:27 PMKey words: should be. I genuinely hope that comes to fruition. Certainly don't need to be 10 deep with 2-3 high caliber players each year.
However I disagree about unavailability in the portal. The off season is essentially a giant free agent pool. There's no reason to think MU can't bring in a couple of high-impact players each year, if they want to. Many of our fellow Big East competitors and the loathed Badgers do it successfully.
Shaka's so married to "Our Way" he's boxed himself in as much as developed a unique vision. Portal is about supplementing the philosophy. One or two vetted, high-character guys with real college tape keeps a growing roster competitive. Miss rate is lower when you're evaluating proven production, not AAU projection. What's frustrating is seeing a big gaps in the roster for a couple of years knowing the potential impact a solid transfer could have made.
Completely agree he seems to have boxed himself in.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on November 19, 2025, 08:49:38 PMThe only transfers we're going to see are players transferring out
If a Top 75 recruit like Owens continues to play two minutes a game, then I would imagine he would contemplate. Biggest question mark to date, along with the Shaka experiment of redshirting his last three bigs (Amadou, Hamilton, Clark) for growth/development is Owens not playing.
Quote from: nyg on November 19, 2025, 09:51:00 PMIf a Top 75 recruit like Owens continues to play two minutes a game, then I would imagine he would contemplate. Biggest question mark to date, along with the Shaka experiment of redshirting his last three bigs (Amadou, Hamilton, Clark) for growth/development is Owens not playing.
He doesn't play because he stinks when he's out there. He's completely lost.
Unfortunately, on this years team, there are like 5-6 guys that really can't get minutes right now.
Shaka doesn't give minutes to Clark, Phillips. Barely gives minutes to Owens.
Tre and Caedin don't deserve minutes, and Tre was actually decent tonight.
That's 5 guys that are far end of the rotation players in a normal season, and one starts this year...
If we are being honest the only guys that have shown they can compete at a high level this year are
Chase, Nigel, Sean Jones, Zaide, Ben, Parham, Adrien Stevens.
One his hurt. 2 are freshmen. 2 have underperformed expectations. 3 are seniors.
That explains the oh crap that we are in
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 09:57:34 PMHe doesn't play because he stinks when he's out there. He's completely lost.
Unfortunately, on this years team, there are like 5-6 guys that really can't get minutes right now.
Shaka doesn't give minutes to Clark, Phillips. Barely gives minutes to Owens.
Tre and Caedin don't deserve minutes, and Tre was actually decent tonight.
That's 5 guys that are far end of the rotation players in a normal season, and one starts this year...
If we are being honest the only guys that have shown they can compete at a high level this year are
Chase, Nigel, Sean Jones, Zaide, Ben, Parham, Adrien Stevens.
One his hurt. 2 are freshmen. 2 have underperformed expectations. 3 are seniors.
That explains the oh crap that we are in
Agree, it's a roster constructed by Shaka and his staff. These are the players he signed and hoped they integrated in his culture. His experiment with red shirting unheralded, non major recruits is a failure. My point with Owens is how did he become so bad? I mean real bad, not to get more than two minutes bad...MU keeps this play up and next there will be a poll on the board asking how many and who are leaving?
Also agree with Norman, who played outstanding defense and made layups. He had two terrible turnovers though. Shaka didn't play him for last like 10 minutes and in OT, because he can't shoot and can't make free throws.
On to next game.
Quote from: nyg on November 19, 2025, 10:07:47 PMAgree, it's a roster constructed by Shaka and his staff. These are the players he signed and hoped they integrated in his culture. His experiment with red shirting unheralded, non major recruits is a failure. My point with Owens is how did he become so bad? I mean real bad, not to get more than two minutes bad...MU keeps this play up and next there will be a poll on the board asking how many and who are leaving?
Also agree with Norman, who played outstanding defense and made layups. He had two terrible turnovers though. Shaka didn't play him for last like 10 minutes and in OT, because he can't shoot and can't make free throws.
On to next game.
Yep, good points.
Honestly Tre in OT in a small lineup would have been better than Caedin, he earned it tonight.
Regardless I get your point. At some juncture you just have to let Damarius run wild out there and see what happens, same with Clark and Phillips
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 19, 2025, 09:32:22 PMHow do I say this nicely: while I agree with MU82's assessment, the idea of not using the portal is total nonsense.
In the consulting job from which I recently retired, if the heads of our firm or our practice could find a "free agent" with a big book of business and an opportunity to lift our firm to heights we previously had not been, do you think for a minute they'd worry about recruiting over our junior staff?
Not a chance.
Sorry folks, this is the real world.
As much as I admire Coach Shaka's commitment to his recruits, the only part of RGV that matters to most of us is the "V" part. Losing with character is still losing. Most of us want to win with character and we might sacrifice some of the "R" or "G" for a few "V"s against teams like Maryland, Indiana and Dayton.
Coach Shaka has some built-up goodwill and is entitled to some slack. But tonight consumed more of that goodiwll than any of us want to acknowledge.
The air was sucked out of the building with how the team played. People will not waste their time on this. Taking a step back is one thing. Playing like GT and DePaul that last several years will kill any good vibes around the program in a hurry.
After IU beat us, they had their hands full with Incarnate Word but eventually won 69-61. Tonight, it took OT for Maryland to win over Mount St. Mary's. It's not as if early season results indicate that we were playing teams that looked like powerhouses after beating us on our home court.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 19, 2025, 10:24:51 PMAfter IU beat us, they had their hands full with Incarnate Word but eventually won 69-61. Tonight, it took OT for Maryland to win over Mount St. Mary's. It's not as if early season results indicate that we were playing teams that looked like powerhouses after beating us on our home court.
United center is not home court, but understand :)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 19, 2025, 10:28:21 PMUnited center is not home court, but understand :)
My bad. Got worked up over losing
twice on our home court and was venting.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 19, 2025, 10:31:08 PMMy bad. Got worked up over losing twice on our home court and was venting.
I am more frustrated than I should be this evening as well.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 19, 2025, 09:57:34 PMIf we are being honest the only guys that have shown they can compete at a high level this year are
Chase, Nigel, Sean Jones, Zaide, Ben, Parham, Adrien Stevens.
Don't really know about SJ22. He has not played well to date. And tonight, when NJ would make a good play and they showed the bench, Sean wasn't exactly jubilant. At one point I wondered if he was thinking about where he could go.
You used the quote feature incorrectly.
Sean has shown he can play high level basketball in the past, and it won't change this year if he gets healthy.
As to "where he can go?"
If that's the case it's because he won't be renewed, and the answer is to a lower level
Quote from: MU82 on November 19, 2025, 05:46:35 PMShaka's "way" is not opening a bigger bag for a free agent than the bags he's promised to returning players who have made multi-year commitments to Marquette.
You might think he should, and that's ok. We all have opinions. But there is no reason to think he will change that part of his philosophy. So pining for it is unproductive.
It's more than just the bag for Shaka and his philosophy. If crap hits the fan for the next couple of years, I'll anticipate some degree of change, along with many other fans I reckon.
Two things: 1)our guys are significantly younger than the teams we play. I did an unscientific search, avg age of top 25 teams are a little over 22 y/o while our guys average just over 19 y/o, call it 2.75 years difference. I did this the lazy man's way using Uncle Chat, so not sure about these numbers but I would think they are close.
2)when you take guys out of the portal, even after 1 year you have better idea if they will have success at the college level. We get what we get, there appears to be a significant difference in the amount of "misses" we have as a result of the way MU does things.
I like Shaka but unless something about the game changes MU/Shaka are going to be farther and farther behind. I think it's foolish to think otherwise. The game is so different than it was just a few short years ago....
Brian Wardle's Braves won last night. If Marquette had been bold like I said, he'd be roaming the sidelines but the woke AD won't fire Shaka.
Don't see any games on the schedule of possible Shaka replacements today.
Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 20, 2025, 07:15:47 AMBrian Wardle's Braves won last night. If Marquette had been bold like I said, he'd be roaming the sidelines but the woke AD won't fire Shaka.
Don't see any games on the schedule of possible Shaka replacements today.
Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Disagree! Porter Moser and Oklahoma play tonight. He'd come to Marquette tomorrow if we offered him the job.
Quote from: JTJ3 on November 20, 2025, 08:59:36 AMDisagree! Porter Moser and Oklahoma play tonight. He'd come to Marquette tomorrow if we offered him the job.
I have to admit, I didn't look that close. Things happen!
Keeping an eye on Wisconsin-BYU. Krabbenhoft and Chambliss on my radar. They get it done in March and are learning from the March Master.
Watching Clemson, too. Brad Brownell could use a change of scenery. Have West Virginnny at home today.
Grand Canyon plays today, too, but the shines off Bryce Drew. They lost to St. Louis. Good coaches don't lose to the A-10. Probably a non-starter at this time but will monitor.
Mick Cronin has his Bruins playing Presbyterian tonight as well.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2025, 07:03:36 AMKeeping an eye on Wisconsin-BYU. Krabbenhoft and Chambliss on my radar. They get it done in March and are learning from the March Master.
Watching Clemson, too. Brad Brownell could use a change of scenery. Have West Virginnny at home today.
Grand Canyon plays today, too, but the shines off Bryce Drew. They lost to St. Louis. Good coaches don't lose to the A-10. Probably a non-starter at this time but will monitor.
Mick Cronin has his Bruins playing Presbyterian tonight as well.
Excited to see results by potential future coaches
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 21, 2025, 11:46:29 AMExcited to see results by potential future coaches
Krabbenhoft has a pipeline to traditionals. Couple that with always getting it done and you have to make the call
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2025, 11:53:38 AMKrabbenhoft has a pipeline to traditionals. Couple that with always getting it done and you have to make the call
Traditionals! Chicos will be onboard,sorry I mean Billy Hoyle.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 21, 2025, 12:37:59 PMTraditionals! Chicos will be onboard,sorry I mean Billy Hoyle.
Unless we get thugs (Willie's description) like Al did from houses with cracked sidewalks, I think traditionals will at least box out
Hmmmm. Krabbenhoft and Chambliss might be off the list.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2025, 04:44:54 PMHmmmm. Krabbenhoft and Chambliss might be off the list.
Gard always gets it done in March. November no matta.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2025, 04:44:54 PMHmmmm. Krabbenhoft and Chambliss might be off the list.
If they'll hit the portal I'll keep them on the list.
would Hoiberg leave?
I think he's actually a great college coach and he was a portal merchant at ISU
Quote from: dpucane on November 21, 2025, 11:15:18 PMwould Hoiberg leave?
I think he's actually a great college coach and he was a portal merchant at ISU
I'll add him to the list. He gets it.
San Francisco travels to South Dakota to play Minnesota. Keep an eye on this one.
Paul Mills and his Wichita State team host Milwaukee (he's not afraid to play them) today as well.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 22, 2025, 08:52:53 AMSan Francisco travels to South Dakota to play Minnesota. Keep an eye on this one.
Paul Mills and his Wichita State team host Milwaukee (he's not afraid to play them) today as well.
Plus St. Thomas made espn top 10 plays at #2 last night, they need to be in the BE already
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 22, 2025, 11:40:41 AMPlus St. Thomas made espn top 10 plays at #2 last night, they need to be in the BE already
If you don't like this they you're not a ball knower
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 21, 2025, 04:44:54 PMHmmmm. Krabbenhoft and Chambliss might be off the list.
What about Davison though?
Brian Wardle's team beat Central Michigan by 31.
/ducks
Quote from: Pakuni on November 22, 2025, 03:08:41 PMBrian Wardle's team beat Central Michigan by 31.
/ducks
Have added this note to my collection
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 22, 2025, 03:51:51 PMHave added this note to my collection
We better start going on overdrive after today's loss.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 22, 2025, 04:27:47 PMWe better start going on overdrive after today's loss.
San Francisco beats Minnesota 👀
Brian Barone and SIUE beating Alabama State by 17 with 2:00 left.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2025, 01:57:15 PMBrian Barone and SIUE beating Alabama State by 17 with 2:00 left.
Excellent
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 22, 2025, 03:51:51 PMHave added this note to my collection
Time to think bold AND outside the box Rico. How about a coach who had success in the NFL but needs a different sport to show off his coaching skills? Yes, I'm suggesting that you consider Bill Belichick. Jordan would have to be part of the deal of course.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 23, 2025, 03:01:38 PMTime to think bold AND outside the box Rico. How about a coach who had success in the NFL but needs a different sport to show off his coaching skills? Yes, I'm suggesting that you consider Bill Belichick. Jordan would have to be part of the deal of course.
He used the portal a lot this year
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 23, 2025, 03:01:38 PMTime to think bold AND outside the box Rico. How about a coach who had success in the NFL but needs a different sport to show off his coaching skills? Yes, I'm suggesting that you consider Bill Belichick. Jordan would have to be part of the deal of course.
As long as you're not talking about Michael Jordan. He was a terrible GM.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 23, 2025, 03:01:38 PMTime to think bold AND outside the box Rico. How about a coach who had success in the NFL but needs a different sport to show off his coaching skills? Yes, I'm suggesting that you consider Bill Belichick. Jordan would have to be part of the deal of course.
Laugh it up, but I bet Shaka couldn't keep his current team within one possession of Duke.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2025, 03:06:50 PMHe used the portal a lot this year
So? If Biljord want to use the portal, let them!
Will Wade hosts Seton Hall today. Otz hosts Pitino (do you all remember Porcini's?).
Adding Tony Skinn to the watch list as well. George Mason hosts Ohio today.
Bradley hosts Princeton. Wardle looks to get back to .500. Won't get an at-large bid with their start but Wardle likes beating up nerds.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2025, 07:33:27 AMWill Wade hosts Seton Hall today. Otz hosts Pitino (do you all remember Porcini's?).
Adding Tony Skinn to the watch list as well. George Mason hosts Ohio today.
Bradley hosts Princeton. Wardle looks to get back to .500. Won't get an at-large bid with their start but Wardle likes beating up nerds.
I don't remember anything about Porcini's. Is that Willie's favorite restaurant or something?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 24, 2025, 08:32:29 AMI don't remember anything about Porcini's. Is that Willie's favorite restaurant or something?
Sleazeball Pitino did something there
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 24, 2025, 08:46:17 AMWidened the gap?
All I know is, I said they should hire Pitino after they fired Wojo but the woke mob at scoop didn't want him. Who is laughing now?
Crossing Will Wade off the list for a moment
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2025, 02:47:33 PMCrossing Will Wade off the list for a moment
I'm sure if you just add "Shaheen" at the beginning you can just turn it into "HoWilloWayde."
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 24, 2025, 02:57:52 PMI'm sure if you just add "Shaheen" at the beginning you can just turn it into "HoWilloWayde."
I will not be considering Shaheen
Add Gotleib to the list of MU candidates. Picks up another nice win at the Paradise Jam. This time against Iona.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 24, 2025, 04:04:49 PMAdd Gotleib to the list of MU candidates. Picks up another nice win at the Paradise Jam. This time against Iona.
Some might say he stole that one, but you've got to give him credit for the job he's doing.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 24, 2025, 04:13:49 PMSome might say he stole that one, but you've got to give him credit for the job he's doing.
Even if you don't give him credit, he'll find a way to take it!
Quote from: Pakuni on November 24, 2025, 04:13:49 PMSome might say he stole that one, but you've got to give him credit for the job he's doing.
Please keep this topic on track. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2025, 02:47:33 PMCrossing Will Wade off the list for a moment
Anything you decide is good by me
Quote from: Pakuni on November 24, 2025, 04:13:49 PMSome might say he stole that one, but you've got to give him credit for the job he's doing.
Yes give him credit. Didn't he steal credit cards when playing for No Dick?
Quote from: willie warrior on November 24, 2025, 06:38:57 PMYes give him credit. Didn't he steal credit cards when playing for No Dick?
::) ::) ::) That was the joke.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 24, 2025, 06:44:14 PM::) ::) ::) That was the joke.
Every post is like another Mona Lisa
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 24, 2025, 06:48:10 PMEvery post is like another Mona Lisa
...if Da Vinci had a traumatic brain injury.
Bradley up 13 on Princeton. Wardle Wagon filling back up?
Bradley 👀
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 25, 2025, 07:56:51 AMYou talking bout the school or your pool boy?
I'm flattered, but again, I'm not interested. I'd suggest one of your pickle partners
Bradley down 12 at half. Wonder if the pressure has gotten to Wardle knowing his dream job might be opening? If so, not good as a candidate.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 25, 2025, 05:11:11 PMBradley down 12 at half. Wonder if the pressure has gotten to Wardle knowing his dream job might be opening? If so, not good as a candidate.
Yes very disappointing so far...
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 25, 2025, 05:11:11 PMBradley down 12 at half. Wonder if the pressure has gotten to Wardle knowing his dream job might be opening? If so, not good as a candidate.
Hard for his players to focus with so many message board rumors swirling around their coach.
Another loss for Bradley. Wardle is no longer on the list. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 25, 2025, 06:16:16 PMAnother loss for Bradley. Wardle is no longer on the list. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
Where have you gone, Brian Barone? Marquette Nation turns its lonely eyes to you.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 25, 2025, 06:16:16 PMAnother loss for Bradley. Wardle is no longer on the list. Thank you for your attention to this matter!
As disappointing as Shaka
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 25, 2025, 06:40:05 PMShaka is Helen Keller
Bump for Viper for his response to my post.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 25, 2025, 07:40:28 PMBump for Viper for his response to my post.
He wouldn't understand.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 25, 2025, 05:25:19 PMHard for his players to focus with so many message board rumors swirling around their coach.
Maybe they're upset about the news that Wardle will replace Kiffin at Ole Miss.
MU should poach Few
You really have to make Brad Stevens say no right? Make the call!
Rough night for possible future Marquette head coaches. Chris Beard loses to Iowa when has a new roster and head coach. Our guy already does that.
Mick Cronin and UCLA lost to Cal. Terrible loss.
However, Bryce Drew and GCU beat Utah
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2025, 06:10:13 AMRough night for possible future Marquette head coaches. Chris Beard loses to Iowa when has a new roster and head coach. Our guy already does that.
Mick Cronin and UCLA lost to Cal. Terrible loss.
However, Bryce Drew and GCU beat Utah
So Drew rises to the top?
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 26, 2025, 07:23:35 AMSo Drew rises to the top?
He's a scumbag, but he could be our scumbag
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2025, 07:40:54 AMHe's a scumbag, but he could be our scumbag
Update on Belichick and Jordan please.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 26, 2025, 08:01:05 AMUpdate on Belichick and Jordan please.
Not tracking. Thank you for your attention in this matter!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2025, 08:49:48 AMNot tracking. Thank you for your attention in this matter!
Is Stan Johnson still the betting favorite?
Quote from: cheebs09 on November 26, 2025, 08:57:47 AMIs Stan Johnson still the betting favorite?
No, it's Brad Stevens or Bob Huggins
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2025, 09:04:23 AMNo, it's Brad Stevens or Bob Huggins
Huggy Bear!
Now you're talking. Brad is too much like our current guy.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2025, 07:40:54 AMHe's a scumbag, but he could be our scumbag
We have an in.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2025, 09:04:23 AMNo, it's Brad Stevens or Bob Huggins
I'll take bear, can go drinking with him.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 26, 2025, 11:37:45 AMI'll take bear, can go drinking with him.
Only if you take away his keys first.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 26, 2025, 11:51:17 AMOnly if you take away his keys first.
DUI's aren't a crime in Wisconsin until you get 5-6
Quote from: Pakuni on November 26, 2025, 11:51:17 AMOnly if you take away his keys first.
Nah. He would have a designated driver 24/7 as part of his package.
Colossal win for Bradley over Liberty today. The Flames were undefeated but ain't no more as Wardle's Giant Killers get a huge "W" in South Dakota.
Casey Alexander and Belmont move to 7-0 with a win over Toledo. Doubt he leaves Nashville or Tennessee but he's been a very good coach
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 26, 2025, 04:23:37 PMColossal win for Bradley over Liberty today. The Flames were undefeated but ain't no more as Wardle's Giant Killers get a huge "W" in South Dakota.
Is Wardle back up for consideration?
SH wins and Shaheen does what 🤙🏼 can't, he covers. MU should kick the tires...
Bennett disappoints in first half, can he get it done second half?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2025, 07:24:45 AMDusty May is a heckuva coach
Meh. I need someone focused on March. Not May.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 27, 2025, 07:24:45 AMDusty May is a heckuva coach
His name literally translates to spring cleaning.
Chris Gerlufsen and USF take on an undefeated Colorado team today at 1PM
Bump
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 28, 2025, 03:29:04 PMBump
Porter was in a dogfight with a coach who is too holy for the transfer portal and too stubborn to care to win games. Cross him off the list.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 28, 2025, 03:42:14 PMPorter was in a dogfight with a coach who is too holy for the transfer portal and too stubborn to care to win games. Cross him off the list.
Believe me dude, you are the one everyone is pointing and laughing at on this board right now.
Quote from: onepost on November 28, 2025, 03:49:19 PMBelieve me dude, you are the one everyone is pointing and laughing at on this board right now.
He is correct!
Need irgent call to TJO
Quote from: Newsdreams on Today at 03:37:18 PMNeed irgent call to TJO
In 2014. Or 2021. Two roads in a yellow wood and all that.
Quote from: 1SE on Today at 03:38:01 PMIn 2014. Or 2021. Two roads in a yellow wood and all that.
Wont happen. He has it rolling in Ames.