1. That was fun. Two really good teams beating each other up.
2. Thank you, seniors.
3. SJU just loves to play bully ball. And they are good at it. One quick whistle away from tournament disaster.
4. Opportunities abounded. Left some out there.
5. Some were seized. Kam, Ben, Joplin.
6. The rebounding margin was not nearly as bad as it seemed.
7. MU returnees, more time in the weight room. SJU just goes through people. It paid off at the end of regulation and in OT.
8. Kam's ankle was rolling as he got pushed. Chase rolled his ankle on the landing.
9. I remain optimistic about this team.
Rest up, get ready for the postseason.
What a joke
It ended exactly how it should have.
Incapable of closing teams out. No idea how that wasn't a foul on Chase's rolled ankle. Both got into his body and stepped under him.
Pathetic
14 turnovers. 10 missed free throws.
Embarrassing end to the season.
Team had every chance to win at home on senior day and as usual in most senior day fashion, the game falls flat.
Disappointing year in the big east. There were like 3/4 buy level teams that we feasted on this year and racked up about 8 wins against them. Looked worse than the top half teams.
We didn't deserve to win. Played tough but didn't make clutch free throws and played terrible defense in OT. That being said, after watching Ejiofor telling everyone to go home there is nothing in this world that would give me more satisfaction than beating them Friday night at The Garden.
The 2 things Shaka doesn't care about cost us the game, free throws and rebounds.
It sucks because they played so well
If Stevie makes that free throw we probably win
If Chase secured that rebound we probably win
Yay?
We haven't beat a top 50 torvik team since 1/3. Just a horrid conference season in a down BE.
Welp. Seven conference losses, swept by UConn and St. Johns, losing record to other 3 top teams in conference. No question that this is Shakas weakest team since year 1. No question and no excuses. Team is not on the right trajectory. Need 3 point shooters, bangers and free throw shooters. Better start reeling them in soon Shaka.
Free throws do in fact matter
Shot more, made less.
Mattered.
We choke under pressure....like 50% from the line...
We beat garbage Georgetown and providence so does complaining make sense
Fitting way to end a 💩 2025 part of the season. So glad no one thinks we could use a tall rebounder.
There are many things to be discussed but when Stevie has essentially no impact on the game, we generally do not win. And he's had great overall games but today was really rough. And beyond the FT's and turns, this is a team that doesn't know how to execute when it matters in the half-court or finish defensive possessions. We've seen it time and time again.
Quote from: Jables1604 on March 08, 2025, 01:40:19 PMWe didn't deserve to win. Played tough but didn't make clutch free throws and played terrible defense in OT. That being said, after watching Ejiofor telling everyone to go home there is nothing in this world that would give me more satisfaction than beating them Friday night at The Garden.
The Johnnies aint losing in the garden. BTW, 4 transfers on St. Johns and 4 starters back next year. Johnnies on big upswing, MU going in wrong direction. Just the facts Mam.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 08, 2025, 01:44:16 PMThere are many things to be discussed but when Stevie has essentially no impact on the game, we generally do not win. And he's had great overall games but today was really rough. And beyond the FT's and turns, this is a team that doesn't know how to execute when it matters in the half-court or finish defensive possessions. We've seen it time and time again.
Hope Shaka can do better with his guys vs Wojos, but that bench isn't promising.
Last play pretty much encapsulated the last two months. Opposing teams have been a little tougher, stronger and intense than MU.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 01:44:47 PMThe Johnnies aint losing in the garden. BTW, 4 transfers on St. Johns and 4 starters back next year. Johnnies on big upswing, MU going in wrong direction. Just the facts Mam.
You're an idiot, Willie.
Chase has the easy rebound and somehow coughs it up to St. John's for the layup.. maybe the most embarrassing way to lose a game in history
Quote from: Pakuni on March 08, 2025, 01:46:48 PMLast play pretty much encapsulated the last two months. Opposing teams have been a little tougher, stronger and intense than MU.
That's what I was saying in the game thread
Quote from: whitykj on March 08, 2025, 01:40:29 PMThe 2 things Shaka doesn't care about cost us the game, free throws and rebounds.
It sucks because they played so well
If Stevie makes that free throw we probably win
If Chase secured that rebound we probably win
IF Stevie makes the FT, we are up 3 with 23 seconds left. Hardly a guarantee.
If Chase hangs on, we are playing 2 OT.
Not sure how you get to probably win.
I went into this season expecting a mid Big East finish, so if you would have told me they'd finish in fourth place I'd have been happy to hear it. But you could have at least warned me that the months of February and March would be an assembly line of gut punches and below the belt punches.
Just not a winning mentality.....the "win anyway" saying ain't a thing with this team. Last 2 months....this is not a tournament team
SJ getting bounced early from the tourney because they're not allowed to turn games into rock fights will be enjoyable
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 08, 2025, 01:48:56 PMIF Stevie makes the FT, we are up 3 with 23 seconds left. Hardly a guarantee.
If Chase hangs on, we are playing 2 OT.
Not sure how you get to probably win.
I guess it depends on your definition of probably, if Stevie makes that I would say 75% we win. If chase gets that I think with the momentum we are favored in the second OT, like 66%
Grab the fucking ball chase
I think this is one of those teams that will benefit greatly from getting out of Big East play.
Shaka does much better as an underdog in a tourney setting.
Counterintuitively, I wouldn't be surprised if this was our deepest tourney run under Shaka.
Stevie will become a national sweetheart.
I thought Shaka should have played ZL a bit more in the 2H and perhaps RP with Ben.
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 08, 2025, 01:51:30 PMSJ getting bounced early from the tourney because they're not allowed to turn games into rock fights will be enjoyable
I don't do a bracket since I possess too many biases, but I certainly wouldn't pick them to the S16. I think they'll be lucky to win a game.
Last play sucked, but I believe Richmond tapped it out of his hand. If so, great play. If MU would have been in that situation, hit player's arm and had a foul called. Either way, heartbreaking.
MU beat themselves with their free throws, especially Mitchell's which would have had them up 3. Then Kam missing the two in OT. But other factors came into play including:
Turnovers. Just off of top of head:
Norman comes in game and throws it five rows in stands
Ross in inbounds pass, into stands
Kam giving it up to Richmond with two minutes left.
Joplin throwing to no one in OT.
Just terrible plays that come back to bite the team.
Mitchell missing five wild shots from three feet and having another layup blocked.
No bench play by MU. Norman terrible, played two minutes early first and sat the rest, Lowery periodical minutes, Hamilton/Owens zero minutes and Parham I believe did not play in second half. If so maybe a few minutes. Some of those will be starters next year, yet no confidence in playing them?
RJ Luis in second half/OT cemented the BE POY award, what a game.
Shaka the Maestro has his back against wall now, looks like Xavier, second hottest team in the league, looking to fight for NCAAT bid.
Big difference is having a bench, St. John's 18 MU 4. Team does not know how to win close games, happens. Secondly, tired of other teams running a better offense and getting to many easy layups. To much dribbling, not enough good cuts and never a backdoor layup. Can't wait to see how MU runs an offense next year without an All-American at the helm. Sean Jones at times will be good, but how does he defend big guards? Today he would have been a non-factor, to small.
I thought Tre had a really bad game and just overall poor attitude when he was in there for the minute or two he was. It was bizarre. Shaka noticed it and quickly sat him the rest of the game. That's twice in a row that's happened with him. If I had to guess, I'd say he's gone after this year. We need an upgrade at guard with so much leaving and he isn't giving much at all.
Quote from: Jables1604 on March 08, 2025, 01:40:19 PMWe didn't deserve to win. Played tough but didn't make clutch free throws and played terrible defense in OT. That being said, after watching Ejiofor telling everyone to go home there is nothing in this world that would give me more satisfaction than beating them Friday night at The Garden.
I am not so sure they'll get past X on Thursday the way we are playing. When Shaka is telling the guys you can do this in the huddle, it sure does not inspire confidence. At this point in the season that should be a no brainer.
Quote from: nyg on March 08, 2025, 02:01:55 PMShaka the Maestro has his back against wall now, looks like Xavier, second hottest team in the league, looking to fight for NCAAT bid.
We end the season playing the 3 most physical teams in the league.
Bad news: We lost on senior night and that sucks.
Good news: The Badgers also lost......to Penn State....at home ! ;D ;D
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 08, 2025, 02:05:29 PMWe end the season playing the 3 most physical teams in the league.
Perhaps Shaka should get some physical players
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2025, 01:57:53 PMI don't do a bracket since I possess too many biases, but I certainly wouldn't pick them to the S16. I think they'll be lucky to win a game.
All it will take is one crew to call hand checking (which we've seen many times in the tourney) and it will be curtains
Quote from: nyg on March 08, 2025, 02:01:55 PMLast play sucked, but I believe Richmond tapped it out of his hand. If so, great play. If MU would have been in that situation, hit player's arm and had a foul called. Either way, heartbreaking.
MU beat themselves with their free throws, especially Mitchell's which would have had them up 3. Then Kam missing the two in OT. But other factors came into play including:
Turnovers. Just off of top of head:
Norman comes in game and throws it five rows in stands
Ross in inbounds pass, into stands
Kam giving it up to Richmond with two minutes left.
Joplin throwing to no one in OT.
Just terrible plays that come back to bite the team.
Mitchell missing five wild shots from three feet and having another layup blocked.
No bench play by MU. Norman terrible, played two minutes early first and sat the rest, Lowery periodical minutes, Hamilton/Owens zero minutes and Parham I believe did not play in second half. If so maybe a few minutes. Some of those will be starters next year, yet no confidence in playing them?
RJ Luis in second half/OT cemented the BE POY award, what a game.
Shaka the Maestro has his back against wall now, looks like Xavier, second hottest team in the league, looking to fight for NCAAT bid.
This happens way too often for us. We don't grab or secure the ball. That's focus, self-awareness, and totally on us. You simply cannot lose the ball there.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2025, 01:35:38 PM1. That was fun. Two really good teams beating each other up.
2. Thank you, seniors.
3. SJU just loves to play bully ball. And they are good at it. One quick whistle away from tournament disaster.
4. Opportunities abounded. Left some out there.
5. Some were seized. Kam, Ben, Joplin.
6. The rebounding margin was not nearly as bad as it seemed.
7. MU returnees, more time in the weight room. SJU just goes through people. It paid off at the end of regulation and in OT.
8. Kam's ankle was rolling as he got pushed. Chase rolled his ankle on the landing.
9. I remain optimistic about this team.
Rest up, get ready for the postseason.
Can you send some my way. My tank is pretty low.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2025, 02:04:14 PMI thought Tre had a really bad game and just overall poor attitude when he was in there for the minute or two he was. It was bizarre. Shaka noticed it and quickly sat him the rest of the game. That's twice in a row that's happened with him. If I had to guess, I'd say he's gone after this year. We need an upgrade at guard with so much leaving and he isn't giving much at all.
Still wondering why he plays the kid? He's not good enough, time for tough love and move on, has had enough chances
Thank you seniors for repping the university with class
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 08, 2025, 02:12:43 PMStill wondering why he plays the kid? He's not good enough, time for tough love and move on, has had enough chances
He literally played 1 minute.
I am really afraid of next year if there is the status wuo. Who replaces Kam and Jop. Not Chase. Freshman better be a lot better than their rankings ! Who replaces Jop's rebounds. Watching chase he gets beat off the dribble way too often.
Quote from: MUstarman on March 08, 2025, 02:07:42 PMBad news: We lost on senior night and that sucks.
Good news: The Badgers also lost......to Penn State....at home ! ;D ;D
Get a fucking grip, man. Focus on the team you supposedly cheer for.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2025, 01:40:07 PMDisappointing year in the big east. There were like 3/4 buy level teams that we feasted on this year and racked up about 8 wins against them. Looked worse than the top half teams.
By the numbers, 10-0 against the bottom 5, 3-7 against the top 6, 1-5 against the top 3.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 01:42:06 PMWelp. Seven conference losses, swept by UConn and St. Johns, losing record to other 3 top teams in conference. No question that this is Shakas weakest team since year 1. No question and no excuses. Team is not on the right trajectory. Need 3 point shooters, bangers and free throw shooters. Better start reeling them in soon Shaka.
Yeah, recruit FT shooters. Excellent idea.
"Ridiculously exciting" is certainly one way to put it.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 08, 2025, 02:04:47 PMI am not so sure they'll get past X on Thursday the way we are playing. When Shaka is telling the guys you can do this in the huddle, it sure does not inspire confidence. At this point in the season that should be a no brainer.
Yeah I thought the 'You can do this' in the huddle was weird and grade school like.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 08, 2025, 02:11:18 PMCan you send some my way. My tank is pretty low.
I honestly don't understand how anyone can be optimistic about this team. No wins against tournament-caliber teams in 2 months. That was a home game against a team projected as a 9 seed. The last time they beat a tournament team away from home was November. A terrible bottom half of the conference propped up their record. If they were in the SEC, I honestly believe they would be about 4-14, maybe worse.
Hilarious. Optimistic.
This team hasn't beaten anyone with a winning record since Jan 24.
Four of the five starters played forty minutes, with Gold at 36 minutes.
Kam took 30 shots, the rest of starters 34. Crazy....
Optimistic?! Based on what? What a joke!
Thanks to the seniors who have provided some genuinely fantastic moments. That said, for the past 2 months the season has looked bleaker and bleaker, and thats WITH our senior players going full 30/35+ minutes a game and carrying us. Shaka has earned respect with regard to development, but man I am not filled with confidence moving forward.
I've enjoyed the seniors. They played hard today. Jop and Kam had very solid games. Ben had a good second half. Without TKO and Oso the team finished where they were predicted and at their talent level, in the middle of the BE pack.
I would have liked to see Lowery and Parham get more minutes in the second half. Richmond got whatever he wanted against Stevie. Richmond was just too big and strong for him.
So it goes. On to a very tough game against X. I have no expectations from this point forward. I'll enjoy whatever games are left.
When a team plays that hard, it's difficult to say they deserve to lose. But with so many missed free throws and other missed opportunities, it applies to this one. This team just can't find a way.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 08, 2025, 02:05:29 PMWe end the season playing the 3 most physical teams in the league.
Then maybe, just maybe, Shaka better get some physical players, ya think? This is the Big fing East after all.
It's weird watching our offense and comparing it to that of other teams. They have motion, screens, and cuts. We have a dribbler and four observers standing still.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 08, 2025, 02:05:29 PMWe end the season playing the 3 most physical teams in the league.
Then maybe, just maybe, Shaka better get some physical players, ya think? This is the Big fing East agfter all.
Quote from: drbob on March 08, 2025, 02:21:28 PMI am really afraid of next year if there is the status wuo. Who replaces Kam and Jop. Not Chase. Freshman better be a lot better than their rankings ! Who replaces Jop's rebounds. Watching chase he gets beat off the dribble way too often.
Well, there is always Gooolllldddbrick to be a physical banger and a 3 point savant.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 08, 2025, 02:05:29 PMWe end the season playing the 3 most physical teams in the league.
Then maybe, just maybe, Shaka better get some physical players, ya think? This is the Big fing East agfter all.
Quote from: drbob on March 08, 2025, 02:21:28 PMI am really afraid of next year if there is the status wuo. Who replaces Kam and Jop. Not Chase. Freshman better be a lot better than their rankings ! Who replaces Jop's rebounds. Watching chase he gets beat off the dribble way too often.
Plenty in the cupboard for next year. Bangers galore and 3 or 4 consistent 3 point shooters.
Well, there is always Gooolllldddbrick to be a physical banger and a 3 point savant.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 08, 2025, 02:29:20 PMThanks to the seniors who have provided some genuinely fantastic moments. That said, for the past 2 months the season has looked bleaker and bleaker, and thats WITH our senior players going full 30/35+ minutes a game and carrying us. Shaka has earned respect with regard to development, but man I am not filled with confidence moving forward.
Quote from: IL Warrior on March 08, 2025, 02:24:57 PMI honestly don't understand how anyone can be optimistic about this team. No wins against tournament-caliber teams in 2 months. That was a home game against a team projected as a 9 seed. The last time they beat a tournament team away from home was November. A terrible bottom half of the conference propped up their record. If they were in the SEC, I honestly believe they would be about 4-14, maybe worse.
NM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 02:50:00 PMSt John's is projected as a 9 seed?
Yeah, that was the most confusing thing in the board today. I assumed I was missing the context
Quote from: Boone on March 08, 2025, 02:28:33 PMOptimistic?! Based on what? What a joke!
I'm optimistic that they will show up for their tournament games and try hard.
But it is very difficult to be optimistic that they can beat an NCAA caliber team now that they will be facing a 10 or 11 seed in the first round, not some barely top 100 AQ.
Quote from: wisblue on March 08, 2025, 02:56:43 PMI'm optimistic that they will show up for their tournament games and try hard.
But it is very difficult to be optimistic that they can beat an NCAA caliber team now that they will be facing a 10 or 11 seed in the first round, not some barely top 100 AQ.
You're soft.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 02:50:00 PMSt John's is projected as a 9 seed?
He meant the early January win over Creighton, MU's last win over a team that will be in the NCAA field.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 08, 2025, 02:44:44 PMIt's weird watching our offense and comparing it to that of other teams. They have motion, screens, and cuts. We have a dribbler and four observers standing still.
MU went from 3 solid passers and decision makers on offense last year to one this year. Some guys were expected to step up in that regard but didn't do it fast enough.
That was a great game. That's what March Madness is all about.
You've gotta feel for those seniors, gut punch at the end.
That said, a few years ago UConn lost the BE to Marquette and then took another devastating loss at the Garden to MU and parlayed that to back to back National Championships.
Fuel.
That's a one in a million turnaround, but it shows how quickly things change when it's all on the line. UConn is like 7-1 against Marquette since that BET loss and hasn't looked back.
Also, relief versus pressure.
Each of the last two seasons Marquette went into the NCAAt with massive pressure. This time around, I would imagine the team heads into those games with relief more than pressure.
You see, the last month and a half has been a gauntlet. The results haven't been there, and this team is probably just glad to get out of BE play.
Don't forget, this StJ team is a likely 2 seed, top 3 defensive team in the country. There are no more moral victories, but Marquette can play with elite teams and is itself an elite team when it is clicking. You could say results be damned, but from here on out the results are the only thing that matters.
Let's go out there and play free of pressure, stress, worries, and play with fun and up to Marquettes capabilities and a nice run is still in the cards
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 02:58:31 PMYou're soft.
Maybe, but not delusional.
I have hope, but haven't seen much in the last 2 months to justify being optimistic.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 08, 2025, 02:44:44 PMIt's weird watching our offense and comparing it to that of other teams. They have motion, screens, and cuts. We have a dribbler and four observers standing still.
The one guy dribbling and 4 guys standing just put up an Ortg number of 127 vs. the #3 ranked defense in the league.
And you are either being sarcastic and didn't watch to see that we too are setting screens and making cuts.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 08, 2025, 01:40:07 PMDisappointing year in the big east. There were like 3/4 buy level teams that we feasted on this year and racked up about 8 wins against them. Looked worse than the top half teams.
I believe MU ended up where most pundits pegged them preseason.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 01:44:47 PMThe Johnnies aint losing in the garden. BTW, 4 transfers on St. Johns and 4 starters back next year. Johnnies on big upswing, MU going in wrong direction. Just the facts Mam.
It will take a miracle to beat them at MSG. They are the story in NYC right now. The calls will go their way. Only team that may take them out are the Huskies. The garden would be insane for that matchup.
Quote from: IL Warrior on March 08, 2025, 02:24:57 PMI honestly don't understand how anyone can be optimistic about this team. No wins against tournament-caliber teams in 2 months. That was a home game against a team projected as a 9 seed. The last time they beat a tournament team away from home was November. A terrible bottom half of the conference propped up their record. If they were in the SEC, I honestly believe they would be about 4-14, maybe worse.
Because we're not getting rolled. We're 1-2 plays away. Just need to get one whether it's X Thursday or the first ncaa tournament game to build the confidence back.
They could lose their next two. But if they win one, it's not hard to picture how they'd get hot. They are really close.
I still see that if this team is shooting well it can play with anyone.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2025, 03:37:50 PMI still see that if this team is shooting well it can play with anyone.
Lemme know when that happens.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2025, 03:37:50 PMI still see that if this team is shooting well it can play with anyone.
When did they last shoot well against a top team?
I'm not sure I expected effort to be the difference today. It's not that MU didn't try but they got beat to 50/50 balls, rebounds, etc. I don't understand the FT's. It baffles my mind. The open 3's are one thing but the FT's is inexcusable.
I'm totally fine losing to Xavier on Thursday afternoon. I don't see much upside in MU exerting itself in NYC. Their seed line is probably 7-8, beating Xavier most likely doesn't change anything.
I'd rather see them rest up, take a breather this week.
Owens did not play due to illness.
Quote from: Dish on March 08, 2025, 03:45:57 PMI'm totally fine losing to Xavier on Thursday afternoon. I don't see much upside in MU exerting itself in NYC. Their seed line is probably 7-8, beating Xavier most likely doesn't change anything.
I'd rather see them rest up, take a breather this week.
From a physical standpoint I agree with you. But this team needs to close a game out to remember they can. I hope they do Thursday and then might as well try to win the damn thing. I'd take momentum and memories
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2025, 03:47:07 PMOwens did not play due to illness.
Would have won if Stevie missed the game due to illness
Mostly everyone on this thread needs to get a life. Do you want to live in the past (WOJO) or deal with our promising future in Shaka. Did the team take a tough loss today, yeah but that's sports. We live to fight another day. Onto Xavier and let's win Thursday. I'm proud of having a black head coach of our basketball program leading our young "Warriors" as positive role models in the classroom, on the court, and in the community. Trust me.....we could do a LOT worse. I'm betting my alma mater will do well despite the doubters.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 08, 2025, 03:35:43 PMBecause we're not getting rolled. We're 1-2 plays away. Just need to get one whether it's X Thursday or the first ncaa tournament game to build the confidence back.
They could lose their next two. But if they win one, it's not hard to picture how they'd get hot. They are really close.
No the are more than a smidgen away.
Quote from: Dish on March 08, 2025, 03:45:57 PMI'm totally fine losing to Xavier on Thursday afternoon. I don't see much upside in MU exerting itself in NYC. Their seed line is probably 7-8, beating Xavier most likely doesn't change anything.
I'd rather see them rest up, take a breather this week.
Yeah that will do it. Lose because it doesn't matter
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 04:24:04 PMNo the are more than a smidgen away.
Weird because they lost on a buzzer beater
Man, yall like to whine. It's like wojo years board all over.
They didn't win. They played pretty decent past 2 games. Missed some execution things and some really rough bounces that didn't go their way.
Tranquilo.
Quote from: Dish on March 08, 2025, 03:45:57 PMI'm totally fine losing to Xavier on Thursday afternoon. I don't see much upside in MU exerting itself in NYC. Their seed line is probably 7-8, beating Xavier most likely doesn't change anything.
I'd rather see them rest up, take a breather this week.
I totally disagree. This team doesn't need rest, they need wins over good teams, confidence, and momentum. Who is fine limping into the tournament with 3 straight losses? That's crazy.
Quote from: Dish on March 08, 2025, 03:45:57 PMI'm totally fine losing to Xavier on Thursday afternoon. I don't see much upside in MU exerting itself in NYC. Their seed line is probably 7-8, beating Xavier most likely doesn't change anything.
I'd rather see them rest up, take a breather this week.
Total loser attitude.
Quote from: Dish on March 08, 2025, 03:45:57 PMI'm totally fine losing to Xavier on Thursday afternoon. I don't see much upside in MU exerting itself in NYC. Their seed line is probably 7-8, beating Xavier most likely doesn't change anything.
I'd rather see them rest up, take a breather this week.
It sucked going to that Xavier home game and walking out a loser. I'd love nothing more than to get payback and end their season Thursday. I want to see Freemantle in tears as he realizes it's over. I'm sure the guys would love another shot at some of these other teams as well.
Crazy bizarre ending.
Not down on this team.
I appreciate their tremendous effort.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 08, 2025, 06:18:21 PMTotal loser attitude.
Sure, I'd rather they give it their absolute all in semi-exhibition games this week, instead of the week after when it counts. Your post totally changed my mind.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2025, 01:35:38 PM1. That was fun. Two really good teams beating each other up.
2. Thank you, seniors.
3. SJU just loves to play bully ball. And they are good at it. One quick whistle away from tournament disaster.
4. Opportunities abounded. Left some out there.
5. Some were seized. Kam, Ben, Joplin.
6. The rebounding margin was not nearly as bad as it seemed.
7. MU returnees, more time in the weight room. SJU just goes through people. It paid off at the end of regulation and in OT.
8. Kam's ankle was rolling as he got pushed. Chase rolled his ankle on the landing.
9. I remain optimistic about this team.
Rest up, get ready for the postseason.
9. Tower remains optimistic about the team just as he was right up to Wojos walking papers, and then he still was optimistic because MU was still paying Wojo for 2 years after his canning. Or was it 3 years?
Quote from: Dish on March 08, 2025, 08:02:32 PMSure, I'd rather they give it their absolute all in semi-exhibition games this week, instead of the week after when it counts. Your post totally changed my mind.
How many of the last national champs won their conference tournament? No evidence whatsoever the extra day or two of rest does anything. Again just total give up loser mentality
Chase had a great steal and dunk in the first half. Slick Rick called a quick time out - props to him for that. The game could've gotten away from the Johnnies at that point.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 08, 2025, 03:41:15 PMLemme know when that happens.
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Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2025, 03:37:50 PMI still see that if this team is shooting well it can play with anyone.
I agree, but will the team start shooting well all of a sudden? It's hard to bet on that, but here's hoping Joplin keeps it rolling and Kam gets red hot starting on Thursday. Kam knocked down some vintage KJ shots today. Maybe that provides a spark. I still don't get the missed free throws, especially from a team built around guard play.
Tower is a positive guy.
Quote from: Viper on March 08, 2025, 11:18:39 PMactually, Willie is spot on
That has never been a wise thing to say here.
Which is pretty much why I expected you to say it.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 08, 2025, 11:25:12 PMThat has never been a wise thing to say here.
Which is pretty much why I expected you to say it.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 08, 2025, 11:25:12 PMThat has never been a wise thing to say here.
Which is pretty much why I expected you to say it.
🫡 thanks for playing. There's a parting gift at the door. So long.
Quote from: Viper on March 08, 2025, 11:31:16 PM🫡 thanks for playing. There's a parting gift at the door. So long.
Says the guy who struggles with quoting posts correctly...
Quote from: Viper on March 08, 2025, 11:18:39 PMactually, Willie is spot on
Ah yes, a blast from the past from Blue Man. I have had him on ignore for years because he is a numbnuts and seeing that post confirms it. Thanks Viper
There are a number of people who who can't handle what is right before their eyes which I call out. Hence the name calling begins. Vander Blue Man is one of them
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2025, 07:34:36 AMAh yes, a blast from the past from Blue Man. I have had him on ignore for years because he is a numbnuts and seeing that post confirms it. Thanks Viper
There are a number of people who who can't handle what is right before their eyes which I call out. Hence the name calling begins. Vander Blue Man is one of them
Actually there are plenty of people who understand the problems this team has. Your issue is that you are a constant source of negativity and pessimism, but don't say one word when things go well. That is why people make fun of you.
The idea that they are namecalling because you are some truth-teller is hilarious.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2025, 07:34:36 AMAh yes, a blast from the past from Blue Man. I have had him on ignore for years because he is a numbnuts and seeing that post confirms it. Thanks Viper
There are a number of people who who can't handle what is right before their eyes which I call out. Hence the name calling begins. Vander Blue Man is one of them
Yes, so many of us have been overwhelmed by Willie's basketball acumen over the years - it can be hard to handle that level of no-BS wisdom. One of the great ball-knowers of our time.
Full credit for using "numbnuts" - has already made my day after a tough loss yesterday.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2025, 03:37:50 PMI still see that if this team is shooting well it can play with anyone.
At some point, you are what your record - or in this case shooting - says you are
If we're making our 3s we can beat anyone
- 30 teams
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on March 09, 2025, 10:11:08 AMIf we're making our 3s we can beat anyone
- 30 teams
Right. That's pretty much what college basketball is these days.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2025, 07:34:36 AMAh yes, a blast from the past from Blue Man. I have had him on ignore for years because he is a numbnuts and seeing that post confirms it. Thanks Viper
There are a number of people who who can't handle what is right before their eyes which I call out. Hence the name calling begins. Vander Blue Man is one of them
Willie would never name call.
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on March 09, 2025, 10:11:08 AMIf we're making our 3s we can beat anyone
- 30 teams
They aren't wrong. MU is one of them.
The game mentioned in this CNN article that says MU will be a team to be reckoned with in the NCAA tourney.
https://www.cnn.com/2025/03/09/sport/overtime-buzzer-beaters-college-march-madness-spt/index.html
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Quote from: tower912 on March 09, 2025, 10:35:09 AMThey aren't wrong. MU is one of them.
"Making our three pointers at a rate way higher than our season average" doesn't seem like a great strategy for sustained tourney success.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 08, 2025, 04:29:44 PMWeird because they lost on a buzzer beater
Talking about entire season, and in particular play of last 6 weeks.
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on March 09, 2025, 10:11:08 AMIf we're making our 3s we can beat anyone
- 30 teams
Probably more than that, but your point stands.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 09, 2025, 10:19:30 AMWillie would never name call.
Only when the other numbnuts starts it. But when a person cant handle the facts or cannot see what is right in front of him, then they start with the table pounding and insults. Some on this board are experts at that as they (how was it said by somebody here) are in their keyboard domain of the basement.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2025, 12:10:19 PMOnly when the other numbnuts starts it. But when a person cant handle the facts or cannot see what is right in front of him, then they start with the table pounding and insults. Some on this board are experts at that as they (how was it said by somebody here) are in their keyboard domain of the basement.
Yes. The players you name call called you a name first.
Talk about a numbnuts...
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2025, 11:55:49 AMTalking about entire season, and in particular play of last 6 weeks.
But the play from the last three weeks is significantly better than it was 4-6 weeks ago. 4-6 weeks ago isn't really relevant anymore, IMO
And it looks like the game finish is going to make ABC World News. :P
It was a great play by SJU.
I have no interest in watching the replay of the final shot but did Ross try to pass or was he stripped?
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 09, 2025, 07:34:50 PMI have no interest in watching the replay of the final shot but did Ross try to pass or was he stripped?
Stripped.....it was a good play by SJ
Quote from: NickelDimer on March 09, 2025, 07:34:50 PMI have no interest in watching the replay of the final shot but did Ross try to pass or was he stripped?
Stripped. A little too easy, though, given the circumstances.
Quote from: 5DollarPitcher on March 08, 2025, 01:55:58 PMI think this is one of those teams that will benefit greatly from getting out of Big East play.
Shaka does much better as an underdog in a tourney setting.
Counterintuitively, I wouldn't be surprised if this was our deepest tourney run under Shaka.
Stevie will become a national sweetheart.
I agree with much of this post. I do think getting away from BE teams and refs will help. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 2nd weekend run depending on matchups.
But I don't agree with the Stevie comment. Dude has mostly been brutal for a couple months. He's obviously dealing with multiple substantive injuries. I love the guy, but I don't see him going from 0/7 from the field and looking literally awful to being 1/1 Stevie in a matter of 10 days. Hope I am wrong there tho, because we need all of Stevie, Chase and Ben to be playing well for this to be anything more than than an 0-2 or 1-2 close to the season.
Stevie's biggest contribution to this years team is making big defensive plays in crucial moments to spark a run, its been one of his superpowers for a few seasons now.
The Big East knows Stevie Mitchell by now, they know that he's one of the best defensive guards in the conference and that he thrives off of quick twitch surprise steals when you least expect it, when he's acting like he's going to play you soft.
The rest of America doesn't quite know Stevie Mitchell as well. The scouting report might say "let him shoot" and "he can defend" but it's a lot different to experience it and not be beaten by it.
Just last year against Western Kentucky Stevie had the most impactful stretch of the game and was the spark plug in the win.
He got a steal at around the 16 min mark, if memory serves, for an and one. Then he got a big block and rebound.
I wouldn't go as far as predicting he becomes a national sweetheart- that would take a Final4 run and a lot of clutch 3s or big offensive games to go along with his trademark D, but I also wouldn't be surprised if he was a huge culprit for a nice run
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 09, 2025, 10:33:24 PMI agree with much of this post. I do think getting away from BE teams and refs will help. I wouldn't be surprised to see a 2nd weekend run depending on matchups.
But I don't agree with the Stevie comment. Dude has mostly been brutal for a couple months. He's obviously dealing with multiple substantive injuries. I love the guy, but I don't see him going from 0/7 from the field and looking literally awful to being 1/1 Stevie in a matter of 10 days. Hope I am wrong there tho, because we need all of Stevie, Chase and Ben to be playing well for this to be anything more than than an 0-2 or 1-2 close to the season.
He certainly has had his ups and downs likely do to injuries........but to say he has been mostly brutal for a couple of months is overstating.
He's had probably 6 bad games in the last 2 months.......he's also had games where he has scored 18,13,21, 22,17,14 and 13 in an efficient manner in that stretch. Also had 10 games with 2 steals or more......he's had 1 game in that stretch with more then 2 turnovers.
We always seem to remember the bad games more than the average or good ones......especially when they come in losses.
I do not buy into the injury talk. Either you are good enough to suit up, play and contribute or you sit on the bench and get healthy. Every team and literally every college basketball player is banged up at this time of year. IMHO, using injuries as an excuse is the same as blaming refs for losing games.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 01:47:04 PMYou're an idiot, Willie.
Now, now,everyone is entitled to an opinion.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 10, 2025, 03:36:08 PMI do not buy into the injury talk. Either you are good enough to suit up, play and contribute or you sit on the bench and get healthy. Every team and literally every college basketball player is banged up at this time of year. IMHO, using injuries as an excuse is the same as blaming refs for losing games.
Saying a player may be impacted by injuries is not an excuse........it's just a fact( he is injured) and an opinion. Stevie would never use it as an excuse......neither would Shaka.....but that doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that it " might " have been a factor in some of his bad games.
Yes many players are banged up by the end of the season but not all bumps and bruises impact performance the same.
As far as having Stevie sit on the bench until he's completely healthy.......that's ridiculous....lhe wants to play....he's a key player.....and we need him.....even if he's not 100%.
How about we just appreciate a kid who plays his ass off every game......healthy or hurt?
Quote from: MuMark on March 10, 2025, 05:28:30 PMSaying a player may be impacted by injuries is not an excuse........it's just a fact( he is injured) and an opinion. Stevie would never use it as an excuse......neither would Shaka.....but that doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that it " might " have been a factor in some of his bad games.
Yes many players are banged up by the end of the season but not all bumps and bruises impact performance the same.
Quote from: MuMark on March 10, 2025, 05:28:30 PMSaying a player may be impacted by injuries is not an excuse........it's just a fact( he is injured) and an opinion. Stevie would never use it as an excuse......neither would Shaka.....but that doesn't mean we can't acknowledge that it " might " have been a factor in some of his bad games.
Yes many players are banged up by the end of the season but not all bumps and bruises impact performance the same.
As far as having Stevie sit on the bench until he's completely healthy.......that's ridiculous....lhe wants to play....he's a key player.....and we need him.....even if he's not 100%.
How about we just appreciate a kid who plays his ass off every game......healthy or hurt?
As far as having Stevie sit on the bench until he's completely healthy.......that's ridiculous....lhe wants to play....he's a key player.....and we need him.....even if he's not 100%.
How about we just appreciate a kid who plays his ass off every game......healthy or hurt?
I appreciate Stevie and all he has brought to the team over the last 4 years more than any other player on MU due to toughness and grit. I will not waver from if you are hurt and your play is affecting the team, you need to take a some time off. After the at Nova game Feb 21, Stevie had just come off of 2 games in a row that were his worst of the year by far. We had PC on Feb 25, then Gtown March 1. Stevie could have sat the PC game and then had 8 days off before Gtown.
Yes, Shaka would have to fight Stevie to make him sit, but that is what the head coach is paid to due - make tough decisions.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 12, 2025, 09:08:25 AMAs far as having Stevie sit on the bench until he's completely healthy.......that's ridiculous....lhe wants to play....he's a key player.....and we need him.....even if he's not 100%.
How about we just appreciate a kid who plays his ass off every game......healthy or hurt?
I appreciate Stevie and all he has brought to the team over the last 4 years more than any other player on MU due to toughness and grit. I will not waver from if you are hurt and your play is affecting the team, you need to take a some time off. After the at Nova game Feb 21, Stevie had just come off of 2 games in a row that were his worst of the year by far. We had PC on Feb 25, then Gtown March 1. Stevie could have sat the PC game and then had 8 days off before Gtown.
Yes, Shaka would have to fight Stevie to make him sit, but that is what the head coach is paid to due - make tough decisions.
Write a letter.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 12, 2025, 09:15:52 AMWrite a letter.
This should be handled in the scoopers "come to jesus" moment when they address the team in person.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 12, 2025, 09:08:25 AMAs far as having Stevie sit on the bench until he's completely healthy.......that's ridiculous....lhe wants to play....he's a key player.....and we need him.....even if he's not 100%.
How about we just appreciate a kid who plays his ass off every game......healthy or hurt?
I appreciate Stevie and all he has brought to the team over the last 4 years more than any other player on MU due to toughness and grit. I will not waver from if you are hurt and your play is affecting the team, you need to take a some time off. After the at Nova game Feb 21, Stevie had just come off of 2 games in a row that were his worst of the year by far. We had PC on Feb 25, then Gtown March 1. Stevie could have sat the PC game and then had 8 days off before Gtown.
Yes, Shaka would have to fight Stevie to make him sit, but that is what the head coach is paid to due - make tough decisions.
More minutes for Tre.
Quote from: tower912 on March 12, 2025, 11:27:01 AMMore minutes for Tre.
Stevie's fault Tre hasn't developed more