Golden Eagles notes Big South Frosh of the Year, Mister Dean of USU Upsate.
Make your calls on who you want here or shut up next year about the roster
Expect Shaka to really attack the portal this offseason since we're terrible this year and the team will be absolutely devoid of talent next season as currently comprised.
I trust Shaka. If he is able to retain the 14 players currently on scholarship or on the way for next season, and thinks that he and the coaching staff can turn them into a good team, I trust him.
If there are unexpected departures and he finds a player in the portal that meets his criteria, I trust him.
Dismiss all players build a new team from the portal. Preferably all bangers and mid range.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 07, 2025, 11:11:17 AMDismiss al players build a new team from the portal. Preferably all bangers and mid range.
As long as they have good necks.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 11:12:33 AMAs long as they have good necks.
And listen to good heavy metal
This is a message bored. Please keep this focused on transfers.
I like the Shaka 5-point plan. Keep things the way we are an understand you can't please all the people.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 10:40:15 AMGolden Eagles notes Big South Frosh of the Year, Mister Dean of USU Upsate.
I vote no.
For the record...whoever is on the roster next year, is who I want.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 11:57:13 AMThis is a message bored. Please keep this focused on transfers.
I love how you keep us focused in these threads. We don't need any of that crazy sh!t.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 11:57:13 AMThis is a message bored. Please keep this focused on transfers.
I can't, drunk already. Have been drinking for 3 hours in this godforsaken ship. Couldn't score any weed in the Bahamas, depressed.
Honestly, I hope Shaka keeps his streak going. I do love zigging when everyone else is zagging. I enjoy listening to my non-MU alum basketball loving buddies lamenting the portal and rumored bag drops. I want Shaka to continue with the relationships, growth, victory mantra as long as he can.
Freaking so many people out by being old school, consistent, and true to himself is just a happy side benefit.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 01:28:35 PMHonestly, I hope Shaka keeps his streak going. I do love zigging when everyone else is sagging. I enjoy listening to my non-MU alum basketball loving buddies lamenting the portal and rumored bag drops. I want Shaka to continue with the relationships, growth, victory mantra as long as he can.
Freaking so many people out by being old school, consistent, and true to himself is just a happy side benefit.
Absolutely right on. If it wasn't working it'd be a different conversation, but it is working as well as we could've imagined. Being different can be a good thing. It's a way to create our own little niche in college basketball.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 01:28:35 PMHonestly, I hope Shaka keeps his streak going. I do love zigging when everyone else is sagging. I enjoy listening to my non-MU alum basketball loving buddies lamenting the portal and rumored bag drops. I want Shaka to continue with the relationships, growth, victory mantra as long as he can.
Freaking so many people out by being old school, consistent, and true to himself is just a happy side benefit.
I like it too, but I don't see anything wrong with taking depth piece or a position of need in the Portal, particularly a grad transfer. It worked out for Izzo and those guys didn't cost much at all. It's not like he's going to remake the entire roster like Indiana did this past off-season.
Billy, I assume he will at some point. I am of the opinion it will be directly related to an unexpected departure.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 07, 2025, 01:45:28 PMI like it too, but I don't see anything wrong with taking depth piece or a position of need in the Portal, particularly a grad transfer. It worked out for Izzo and those guys didn't cost much at all. It's not like he's going to remake the entire roster like Indiana did this past off-season.
I think the reason we don't is it keeps the guys who have been here committed and loyal. They know their shot is coming. Grabbing a portal player to fill is a bit of a betrayal of what Shaka has used as his ethos and recruiting tool. His guys are his guys. I'm not saying he won't grab a guy, but the fit will have to be as precise as a scalpel, and will probably have to be a 1:1 replacing someone who is transferring out.
Just my read of things.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 07, 2025, 01:45:28 PMI like it too, but I don't see anything wrong with taking depth piece or a position of need in the Portal, particularly a grad transfer. It worked out for Izzo and those guys didn't cost much at all. It's not like he's going to remake the entire roster like Indiana did this past off-season.
Some of our grad transfers (or one year players) have been big hits on the court like Reinhardt, Lockett, Morsell, etc but I just don't really like those type of guys. They are just hired guns and hard to fit into the culture and hard to care about. I don't consider them Marquette guys at all. It's lame that the Badgers try and claim Russell Wilson after playing a dozen games there. Same idea.
I think generally the best transfer fits will be re-recruits (missed on em the first time) that have multiple years left.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 07, 2025, 02:05:44 PMSome of our grad transfers (or one year players) have been big hits on the court like Reinhardt, Lockett, Morsell, etc but I just don't really like those type of guys. They are just hired guns and hard to fit into the culture and hard to care about. I don't consider them Marquette guys at all. It's lame that the Badgers try and claim Russell Wilson after playing a dozen games there. Same idea.
I think generally the best transfer fits will be re-recruits (missed on em the first time) that have multiple years left.
I definitely consider Reinhardt, Morsell and Lockett Marquette guys. Jeez, don't be so up on your high horse about these things.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 07, 2025, 01:52:24 PMI think the reason we don't is it keeps the guys who have been here committed and loyal. They know their shot is coming. Grabbing a portal player to fill is a bit of a betrayal of what Shaka has used as his ethos and recruiting tool. His guys are his guys. I'm not saying he won't grab a guy, but the fit will have to be as precise as a scalpel, and will probably have to be a 1:1 replacing someone who is transferring out.
Just my read of things.
Best post yet in reply to scoop portal pushers. My "read of things" also. The "improve the team" justification works for
one season at the expense of the integrity of Shaka's deal. Next? Recruits decommitting.
I would like us to target a big with muscle and a knockdown shooter. I am all for "hoping" current roster makes the jump. But why not add proven players if we can. My fear, if we don't add a portal player or two, is that we have a ground hog day scenario where next year's team shoots and rebounds poorly like this year.
Can't add two without a departure.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 07, 2025, 02:12:51 PMBest post yet in reply to scoop portal pushers. My "read of things" also. The "improve the team" justification works for one season at the expense of the integrity of Shaka's deal. Next? Recruits decommitting.
I think we are being a bit hyperbolic here. What if a Robert Jackson-type was available for a year with Shaka thinking that he could do a Gold, Jackson, Parham type rotation. Who would decommit because of that? Would Clark or Hamilton really skip town? And if they did, would that just be another Keeyan or Emarion where in the end it was probably for the best?
I completely understand why Shaka shies away from the portal in general. But I don't think the entire structure of what he is building will fall down around him if he decides to fill a hole that way.
Yea, Shaka has pursued a transfer every off-season, I would expect this year to be no different. Whether there are transfers out there that can check all the boxes remains to be seen.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 07, 2025, 11:11:17 AMDismiss all players build a new team from the portal. Preferably all bangers and mid range.
That's Gard's plan, which why the Badgers always get it done and will be easily top 2 in the B1G once again next year.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 07, 2025, 02:21:15 PMI think we are being a bit hyperbolic here. What if a Robert Jackson-type was available for a year with Shaka thinking that he could do a Gold, Jackson, Parham type rotation. Who would decommit because of that? Would Clark or Hamilton really skip town? And if they did, would that just be another Keeyan or Emarion where in the end it was probably for the best?
I completely understand why Shaka shies away from the portal in general. But I don't think the entire structure of what he is building will fall down around him if he decides to fill a hole that way.
Hyperbole is a time-honored tradition on scoop.
A hole? Sure. But when the bar is lowered to "improving the team", anything goes. Big difference.
Next year, you have 4 freshman coming in, then you have 4 kids that maybe are not up to this level, so that leaves 6 kids that are good but have some question marks? How can you not want to add an experienced player?
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 07, 2025, 06:45:55 PMNext year, you have 4 freshman coming in, then you have 4 kids that maybe are not up to this level, so that leaves 6 kids that are good but have some question marks? How can you not want to add an experienced player?
Show your math
I'm old enough to remember when Stevie Mitchell didn't start and played 10 minutes a game as a freshman and averaged 2.8 points
The next season he started every game for a team that won the big east and earned a 2 seed.
Omax averaged 9 minutes a game at Clemson as a frosh and scored 2.5 points a game.....Shaka recruited him anyway.
Sophomore season.....6.6 points a game
Junior season.........12.5 .....first round pick.
Quote from: MuMark on March 07, 2025, 07:44:09 PMI'm old enough to remember when Stevie Mitchell didn't start and played 10 minutes a game as a freshman and averaged 2.8 points
The next season he started every game for a team that won the big east and earned a 2 seed.
Omax averaged 9 minutes a game at Clemson as a frost and scored 2.5 points a game.....Shaka recruited him anyway.
Sophomore season.....6.6 points a game
Junior season.........12.5 .....first round pick.
You neglected to mention what Oso and Kam were like as freshmen.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 07:47:04 PMYou neglected to mention what Oso and Kam were like as freshmen.
Ok.....Kam was a one dimensional chucker who could shoot but showed not much else.......
Oso played so little and then got hurt that I looked for his picture on the milk carton when I went to the grocery store.
I was trying to be succinct but you talked me out of it....... 8-)
Thank you.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 07, 2025, 02:43:39 PMHyperbole is a time-honored tradition on scoop.
A hole? Sure. But when the bar is lowered to "improving the team", anything goes. Big difference.
You called sultan an a hole?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 10:40:15 AMGolden Eagles notes Big South Frosh of the Year, Mister Dean of USU Upsate.
Make your calls on who you want here or shut up next year about the roster
Cooper Flagg
Quote from: MuMark on March 07, 2025, 07:44:09 PMI'm old enough to remember when Stevie Mitchell didn't start and played 10 minutes a game as a freshman and averaged 2.8 points
The next season he started every game for a team that won the big east and earned a 2 seed.
Omax averaged 9 minutes a game at Clemson as a frosh and scored 2.5 points a game.....Shaka recruited him anyway.
Sophomore season.....6.6 points a game
Junior season.........12.5 .....first round pick.
Facts are no fun, alternative facts are the thing now.
The problem is the sophomore class doesn't fit into the Stevie, Joplin and Kam development scenarios. Maybe Zaide? But he seems to have freshman averages not sophomore Stevie, Kam, Joplin averages. Tre much much worse. Al, hasn't even played. These are apples and oranges comparisons.
Royce has a freshman year comparison that is legit. Owens maybe.
MU seems to be a stage behind in similar development with the new guys. Oso may fit the bill for this sophomore group.
Can we expect the same level of development. Are these players as good as Stevie, Jop and Kam? TBD.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 07, 2025, 09:53:59 PMThe problem is the sophomore class doesn't fit into the Stevie, Joplin and Kam development scenarios. Maybe Zaide? But he seems to have freshman averages not sophomore Stevie, Kam, Joplin averages. Tre much much worse. Al, hasn't even played. These are apples and oranges comparisons.
Royce has a freshman year comparison that is legit. Owens maybe.
MU seems to be a stage behind in similar development with the new guys. Oso may fit the bill for this sophomore group.
Can we expect the same level of development. Are these players as good as Stevie, Jop and Kam? TBD.
Our leading returning scorer going into the 22-23 season was Kam at 7.4 followed by TK at 6.7 and OMax at 6.6.
Let's not alter history regarding the uncertainty of what we had going into that season.
As of today Chase is at 10.6, Ben at 7.5 and Royce at 5.3. I get that PG is a question mark right now but history shows these guys plus Zaide and Owens will likely step up.
I want that to be true. And I hope you are right. Just seems they are all one year behind the last developmental curve.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 07, 2025, 10:52:13 PMI want that to be true. And I hope you are right. Just seems they are all one year behind the last developmental curve.
Just my opinion but I don't think it works like that. Development isn't always linear.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 07, 2025, 10:52:13 PMI want that to be true. And I hope you are right. Just seems they are all one year behind the last developmental curve.
LOL
I understand not wanting to recruit over guys already in the program, but when guys don't pan out and either transfer to a lower level (Itejere) or apparently change positions and have to unexpectedly RS (Amadou), the benefit of the portal is that you can try and go out and replace those guys with players who are at the level you anticipated the aforementioned to be at when constructing the roster. We've got a thin frontcourt with the two backups being a true freshman and a redshirt project freshman because we didn't. I'd rather hit the portal in those situations than hit the reset button with a HS recruit because then you have an experience gap.
With the roster now expanded to 15, one or even two transfers couldn't hurt and would not send the wrong message to existing players. Might even light a fire under players who want more playing time.
NIL is here to stay, and the bidding wars have only just begun.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 07, 2025, 11:49:26 PMI understand not wanting to recruit over guys already in the program, but when guys don't pan out and either transfer to a lower level (Itejere) or apparently change positions and have to unexpectedly RS (Amadou), the benefit of the portal is that you can try and go out and replace those guys with players who are at the level you anticipated the aforementioned to be at when constructing the roster. We've got a thin frontcourt with the two backups being a true freshman and a redshirt project freshman because we didn't. I'd rather hit the portal in those situations than hit the reset button with a HS recruit because then you have an experience gap.
It's not about replacing an Amadou. Do you really think having modest upgrades on the bench for Norman and Hamilton would have made much difference?
And again, doing so would make Shaka look disingenuous to the rest of the team.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 08, 2025, 05:34:49 AMWith the roster now expanded to 15, one or even two transfers couldn't hurt and would not send the wrong message to existing players. Might even light a fire under players who want more playing time.
NIL is here to stay, and the bidding wars have only just begun.
The roster expansion also gives you the opportunity to redshirt a guy like Amadou and take a flyer on a guy like Clark. So Shaka is using that extra flexibility there instead of on transfers.
You take a transfer or two when you have recruits not panning out or not developing (it doesn'ttake multi years to figure this out). Fill in the misses with proven D1 players, this doesn't destroy our culture. Still have 90% of the team, home grown recruits. I am ok calling a recruit a miss and bringing in new players at the expense of losing some culture. The goal is to win and if we need a portaler or two to do it, let it be. Our program, is high level D1, nit interested in finishing 5th in BE and feeling good because we didn't use any transfers. Just upgrade the talent on the roster. The other stuff will work itself out. Lastly, watching Norman and Hamilton, cannot say how much they look like MAC players. Hope my instincts are wrong.
Unless there are unexpected departures (multiple), I do not see Shaka bringing in any players from the portal. 14 scholarships spoken for. With only 2 2026 guaranteed departures, I think they pocket the last scholarship in order to have a 3 player recruiting class in 2026.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2025, 07:43:01 AMUnless there are unexpected departures (multiple), I do not see Shaka bringing in any players from the portal. 14 scholarships spoken for. With only 2 2026 guaranteed departures, I think they pocket the last scholarship in order to have a 3 player recruiting class in 2026.
While I agree with your conclusion, I would not be opposed to a one year big however.
Oso still has his COVID year.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 06:48:20 AMIt's not about replacing an Amadou.
Why not? We were supposed to have a frontcourt player with a year of experience off the bench in Amadou. We don't.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 06:48:20 AMDo you really think having modest upgrades on the bench for Norman and Hamilton would have made much difference?
It doesn't seem like the plan was for Sean to redshirt. Had Shaka known, might he have been more aggressive in the portal? Maybe. Could they have made a difference? Maybe. We don't know for sure. Again, we don't have a backup big with experience. I don't see how one could just dismiss the possibility of that helping.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 06:48:20 AMAnd again, doing so would make Shaka look disingenuous to the rest of the team.
Why? We're talking about backups. The guys in front of them didn't graduate, they got hurt and/or didn't pan out. Their position on the depth chart wouldn't change, just the guy in front of them would. Disingenuous would be recruiting over a guy like Zaide who's in line to start next year.
In re the roster numbers, shaka has to sit down with 1 or 2 players and say your not going to get minutes next year. It's in your best interests to look elsewhere, where you can play. Most likely not at a high D1 school. Just have an honest conversation. This happens every year at practically every d1 hoops program.
Quote from: Captain Quette on March 08, 2025, 09:37:02 AMIn re the roster numbers, shaka has to sit down with 1 or 2 players and say your not going to get minutes next year. It's in your best interests to look elsewhere, where you can play. Most likely not at a high D1 school. Just have an honest conversation. This happens every year at practically every d1 hoops program.
I'm sure Shaka would appreciate your advice on how to manage his roster.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 08, 2025, 09:38:46 AMI'm sure Shaka would appreciate your advice on how to manage his roster.
why harpoon a guys legit comment?
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 07, 2025, 06:45:55 PMNext year, you have 4 freshman coming in, then you have 4 kids that maybe are not up to this level, so that leaves 6 kids that are good but have some question marks? How can you not want to add an experienced player?
stop making sense, damn it.
Quote from: Viper on March 08, 2025, 09:51:56 AMwhy harpoon a guys legit comment?
Because don't you think that Shaka knows how to talk to players on his team? It's just an inane comment.
Seems people don't listen to Shaka interviews. He isn't against using the portal and he says he has contacted players, but if they don't fit the culture and first thing they ask is about NIL money, they're out. Simple as that, and in other instances they have decided to go elsewhere.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 08, 2025, 10:04:31 AMSeems people don't listen to Shaka interviews. He isn't against using the portal and he says he has contacted players, but if they don't fit the culture and first thing they ask is about NIL money, they're out. Simple as that, and in other instances they have decided to go elsewhere.
Exactly. This idea that he wouldn't take anyone and the roster is sacred or something just isn't accurate.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 07, 2025, 08:13:22 PMCooper Flagg
Yeah, Flagg would be great but he is beyond Shakas reach.Lpoks like the savior for next year is Militec. Mo wait, what about the New Zealand Net Swisher?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 10:21:42 AMYeah, Flagg would be great but he is beyond Shakas reach.Lpoks like the savior for next year is Militec. Mo wait, what about the New Zealand Net Swisher?
Someone's mixing early.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 10:21:42 AMYeah, Flagg would be great but he is beyond Shakas reach.Lpoks like the savior for next year is Militec. Mo wait, what about the New Zealand Net Swisher?
Mo has no eligibility left
Quote from: The Sultan on March 08, 2025, 10:25:26 AMSomeone's mixing early.
Haha Willie getting after it with the keg and eggs
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 10:21:42 AMYeah, Flagg would be great but he is beyond Shakas reach.Lpoks like the savior for next year is Militec. Mo wait, what about the New Zealand Net Swisher?
If you need a new name, what you came up with is weak. How about Kiwi Klunker?
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 08, 2025, 08:56:58 AMWhy not? We were supposed to have a frontcourt player with a year of experience off the bench in Amadou. We don't.
It doesn't seem like the plan was for Sean to redshirt. Had Shaka known, might he have been more aggressive in the portal? Maybe. Could they have made a difference? Maybe. We don't know for sure. Again, we don't have a backup big with experience. I don't see how one could just dismiss the possibility of that helping.
Why? We're talking about backups. The guys in front of them didn't graduate, they got hurt and/or didn't pan out. Their position on the depth chart wouldn't change, just the guy in front of them would. Disingenuous would be recruiting over a guy like Zaide who's in line to start next year.
Why not? Shaka knows more than anyone that you can't always predict someone's development and when they will be able to contribute at a meaningful level. And having 15 scholarships and the ability to redshirt someone means you thought it was worth sticking with Al. I also don't think not having a backup big with experience has really made much of a difference - Jop and Kam going cold from 3 has been the biggest issue.
Seriously? You do realize that backups become starters or key rotation members, correct? It would be disingenuous because Shaka's approach and word carries the same weight regardless of it being a starter or a depth guy. If you don't think guys would see through him taking different approaches based on that I'm not sure what to tell you.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 08, 2025, 10:04:31 AMSeems people don't listen to Shaka interviews. He isn't against using the portal and he says he has contacted players, but if they don't fit the culture and first thing they ask is about NIL money, they're out. Simple as that, and in other instances they have decided to go elsewhere.
Sure, and the reality is that the type of transfers people want here are most likely going to fall into that bucket.
I also think with 15 roster spots he will be honest with guys. But if a guy wants to stay anyway, I don't think Shaka would have any issue with that.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 11:02:51 AMWhy not? Shaka knows more than anyone that you can't always predict someone's development and when they will be able to contribute at a meaningful level. And having 15 scholarships and the ability to redshirt someone means you thought it was worth sticking with Al. I also don't think not having a backup big with experience has really made much of a difference - Jop and Kam going cold from 3 has been the biggest issue.
Seriously? You do realize that backups become starters or key rotation members, correct? It would be disingenuous because Shaka's approach and word carries the same weight regardless of it being a starter or a depth guy. If you don't think guys would see through him taking different approaches based on that I'm not sure what to tell you.
According to folks on this site, Amadou is viewed as a wing now, so regardless of the redshirt or not, that's a hole in frontcourt. I'm not talking about guys who are improving over time, I'm talking about guys like Itejere and Amadou who we now know aren't going to fill the spots they took up. That's when you replace them with guys who are at the level you planned on them being at.
And there's a difference between a guy on the depth chart moving up because someone ahead of him was lost due to an unforeseen circumstance (transfer, injury) and a foreseen one (graduation).
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 11:05:35 AMSure, and the reality is that the type of transfers people want here are most likely going to fall into that bucket.
I also think with 15 roster spots he will be honest with guys. But if a guy wants to stay anyway, I don't think Shaka would have any issue with that.
This is the most important point re: transfers
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 08, 2025, 10:54:50 AMIf you need a new name, what you came up with is weak. How about Kiwi Klunker?
Yes, that is better
If only Shaka would read threads like this, we'd be Final Four locks every year.
But he doesn't, so it's time to find a coach who will pay more attention to anonymous fanboard folks.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 10:50:38 AMI trust Shaka. If he is able to retain the 14 players currently on scholarship or on the way for next season, and thinks that he and the coaching staff can turn them into a good team, I trust him.
If there are unexpected departures and he finds a player in the portal that meets his criteria, I trust him.
Need bigs and shooters. Else we are playing for 5th place in the BE.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 07:05:52 PMNeed bigs and shooters. Else we are playing for 5th place in the BE.
And then maybe we're playing for a conference title the following season.
I'm so sorry this brutal season has been so rough on you.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 07:05:52 PMNeed bigs and shooters. Else we are playing for 5th place in the BE.
We're tied for fourth. And that's been the second worst finish in Shaka's time here, behind his first year when he had to remake the roster.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 08, 2025, 07:21:58 PMWe're tied for fourth. And that's been the second worst finish in Shaka's time here, behind his first year when he had to remake the roster.
What about all that roster development theory. Where does that fit in?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 08:19:22 PMWhat about all that roster development theory. Where does that fit in?
Hard to develop a roster when you were coaching at a different school.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 08, 2025, 07:21:58 PMWe're tied for fourth. And that's been the second worst finish in Shaka's time here, behind his first year when he had to remake the roster.
Great, 4th (seeded fifth) in a five bid (hopefully) league, 2-6 against the top 4, with the wins coming in December when both opponents were short handed. It is possible we'll go into the post season unranked. Is that what you expected when we entered January?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 08, 2025, 08:27:54 PMGreat, 4th (seeded fifth) in a five bid (hopefully) league, 2-6 against the top 4, with the wins coming in December when both opponents were short handed. It is possible we'll go into the post season unranked. Is that what you expected when we entered January?
League standings or seeds, have no direct correlation to NCAAT / seeds
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 08, 2025, 08:27:54 PMGreat, 4th (seeded fifth) in a five bid (hopefully) league, 2-6 against the top 4, with the wins coming in December when both opponents were short handed. It is possible we'll go into the post season unranked. Is that what you expected when we entered January?
5th in conference, yeah!!!
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 09:05:05 PM5th in conference, yeah!!!
What team are you a fan of? It's not Marquette.
What if Shaka had used the portal last year and got Eogafor for us instead of St John's getting him. Think one player would have made a difference to this years results?! Instead of signing another project. Maybe the bag was too big
Quote from: drbob on March 08, 2025, 09:50:11 PMWhat if Shaka had used the portal last year and got Eogafor for us instead of St John's getting him. Think one player would have made a difference to this years results?! Instead of signing another project. Maybe the bag was too big
Yeah! And what if Shaka had successfully recruited Cooper Flagg? Think he would have made a difference? Can't believe Shaka missed on him.
Quote from: MU82 on March 08, 2025, 09:53:17 PMYeah! And what if Shaka had successfully recruited Cooper Flagg? Think he would have made a difference? Can't believe Shaka missed on him.
MU was never in on Flagg. Knueppel, on the other hand...
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 08, 2025, 08:46:35 PMLeague standings or seeds, have no direct correlation to NCAAT / seeds
I didn't say they did. But on Feb 1 we were projected as a 2 or 3 seed. Now what, 6 or 7?
Quote from: drbob on March 08, 2025, 09:50:11 PMWhat if Shaka had used the portal last year and got Eogafor for us instead of St John's getting him. Think one player would have made a difference to this years results?! Instead of signing another project. Maybe the bag was too big
Zuby sucked at Kansas. I think most people here would have complained that he wasnt good enough to waste a scholarship on. Kudos to St Johns for developing him, but thats just the unknown of the portal.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 08, 2025, 10:11:08 PMI didn't say they did. But on Feb 1 we were projected as a 2 or 3 seed. Now what, 6 or 7?
The way you wrote is what it implied.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 09:20:04 PMWhat team are you a fan of? It's not Marquette.
You happy with a 5th place finish in a crappy conference this year?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 08, 2025, 10:11:08 PMI didn't say they did. But on Feb 1 we were projected as a 2 or 3 seed. Now what, 6 or 7?
Maybe you should rally all the rich and famous people you're constantly rubbing elbows with and get some money for either portal guys or to get a coach in here who will use the portal. We deserve better as fans.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 11:17:09 PMYou happy with a 5th place finish in a crappy conference this year?
They finished tied for fourth.
Right where they were projected to.
Right. And I don't think anyone is "happy" about it considering how they started. But there is nothing anyone here can do about it, so...
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 11:17:09 PMYou happy with a 5th place finish in a crappy conference this year?
Wojo would've been.
Again, I do hope that Shaka does look at the portal for a one or two year big this off-season. I do like Ben, but I just think he struggles with the physicality and is better as more of a "stretch 4" type of player. I doubt Caedin will be ready, and Clark is too much of an unknown. And who knows about Al.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 08, 2025, 10:43:06 PMThe way you wrote is what it implied.
I never referenced or implied anything about NCAA tourney seeding. I talked about our start, our disappointing finish, and how we had a very poor record against the top four. But we know people will interpret anything how they want to even if it isn't there.
Quote from: tower912 on March 09, 2025, 08:05:56 AMRight where they were projected to.
That's exactly right. MU is not as talented this season and, outside of Chase, the starting group wasn't particularly athletic. MU's in-season development depended on sophomores and freshmen. Parham and Lowery are coming along well now. Teams with transfers started to gel more as the season went on. I'll be curious to see how the BE teams do in the NCAA.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 11:17:09 PMYou happy with a 5th place finish in a crappy conference this year?
After losing two Marquette greats to the NBA and two straight 2-seeds, I can live with being tied for FOURTH and comfortably in the tourney.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 09, 2025, 08:49:53 AMAfter losing two Marquette greats to the NBA and two straight 2-seeds, I can live with being tied for FOURTH and comfortably in the tourney.
That's the reality of Marquette basketball. There will be peaks and valleys. I can live with the valleys being tournament seasons, as long as the peaks get back to top 15 seasons.
I'm not opposed to taking transfers, but at this point Shaka has really leaned into HS recruiting over the portal. That's become his selling point that differentiates Marquette in recruiting. Recruits like Adrien Stevens and Ian Miletic have even talked about it being a factor for them. They chose Marquette over schools like Villanova and Illinois, schools that are very active in the portal. I'm sure that's part of the recruiting pitch to JJ Andrews and Alex Egbuonu, especially when we're up against schools like Arkansas and Auburn that have a ton of transfers on their roster.
So until Shaka changes course, lands a transfer, or even has someone in the portal take a visit, I'm going to assume Marquette won't be going that route.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 09, 2025, 09:15:27 AMThat's the reality of Marquette basketball. There will be peaks and valleys. I can live with the valleys being tournament seasons, as long as the peaks get back to top 15 seasons.
I'm not opposed to taking transfers, but at this point Shaka has really leaned into HS recruiting over the portal. That's become his selling point that differentiates Marquette in recruiting. Recruits like Adrien Stevens and Ian Miletic have even talked about it being a factor for them. They chose Marquette over schools like Villanova and Illinois, schools that are very active in the portal. I'm sure that's part of the recruiting pitch to JJ Andrews and Alex Egbuonu, especially when we're up against schools like Arkansas and Auburn have a ton of transfers on their roster.
So until Shaka changes course, lands a transfer, or even has someone in the portal take a visit, I'm going to assume Marquette won't be going that route.
Nice post! Your wording regarding Shaka's M.O. is the best I have seen. He has not ruled out transfers but has made it clear that HS recruiting and development of them is his preference. I would not be shocked to see him bring in a transfer at some point in the future but there is no hurry until his M.O. needs an "exception". And of course, portal pushers have been quick to use this season's "valley" as a reason to go into the portal.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 09, 2025, 08:42:07 AMI never referenced or implied anything about NCAA tourney seeding. I talked about our start, our disappointing finish, and how we had a very poor record against the top four. But we know people will interpret anything how they want to even if it isn't there.
You said 5 BET seed, in hopefully a 5 BE tournament league. To me that implies since MU is a 5 seed, need to have 5 BE teams to get in, sorry if I miss interpreted, but that how I read it.
Talent is not as good next year, so it makes total sense to bring in a seasoned scorer or a big. Grad transfer unless some players leave.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 09, 2025, 10:37:54 AMTalent is not as good next year, so it makes total sense to bring in a seasoned scorer or a big. Grad transfer unless some players leave.
In terms of raw talent I disagree.
In terms of experience and proven production, sure.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 09, 2025, 09:57:23 AMYou said 5 BET seed, in hopefully a 5 BE tournament league. To me that implies since MU is a 5 seed, need to have 5 BE teams to get in, sorry if I miss interpreted, but that how I read it.
I understand. I was referring to the BET only and our drop off in February. Xavier is considered a bubble team so it may only be a four bid league. All good. Ring out Ahoya!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 09:53:34 AMNice post! Your wording regarding Shaka's M.O. is the best I have seen. He has not ruled out transfers but has made it clear that HS recruiting and development of them is his preference. I would not be shocked to see him bring in a transfer at some point in the future but there is no hurry until his M.O. needs an "exception". And of course, portal pushers have been quick to use this season's "valley" as a reason to go into the portal.
His MO needs exceptions. He must get with the reality of what college basketball now is. Change or get passed by.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2025, 11:40:03 AMHis MO needs exceptions. He must get with the reality of what college basketball now is. Change or get passed by.
If you are that convinced that is what he should do, you absolutely
must find a way to get your message to him face-to-face. Go for it!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 11:47:36 AMIf you are that convinced that is what he should do, you absolutely must find a way to get your message to him face-to-face. Go for it!
And drop the bag for the player
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 09:53:34 AMNice post! Your wording regarding Shaka's M.O. is the best I have seen. He has not ruled out transfers but has made it clear that HS recruiting and development of them is his preference. I would not be shocked to see him bring in a transfer at some point in the future but there is no hurry until his M.O. needs an "exception". And of course, portal pushers have been quick to use this season's "valley" as a reason to go into the portal.
I agree, JAM said it well.
I have stated I'm concerned about next year. BUT, Shaka knows the stats and he sees the team daily. He has been around high level players his entire professional career. He knows what he has left over in that locker room after this season. He is one competitive dude. He will use the portal if he thinks he needs it to field a legitimately competitive team. My feeling is that may happen this offseason. I also think 1-2 players leave on their own accord that will allow Shaka to do this without breaking his recruiting pledge. I am open to being really wrong.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 09, 2025, 08:36:05 AMAgain, I do hope that Shaka does look at the portal for a one or two year big this off-season. I do like Ben, but I just think he struggles with the physicality and is better as more of a "stretch 4" type of player. I doubt Caedin will be ready, and Clark is too much of an unknown. And who knows about Al.
I thought the same two years ago, that our rotation would have been well-served even by a "Jayce Johnson type" who could play 15-20 minutes, grab some boards, block some shots and use his fouls. And I agree that would be welcome again next season.
But I've also learned to trust Shaka on most things because he has not given me reason to do otherwise. He has been great for the program, and I've really enjoyed his time at Marquette. It's been fun to have buddies from all around the country get into MU hoops again after they had drifted away post-Hausershima.
It doesn't mean he's perfect or that he's above criticism or suggestions. You and I have made suggestions right here, and they are reasonable IMHO. It just means that those calling for a big-time revision to how he runs the program are probably unreasonable, uninformed and myopic.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 11:47:36 AMIf you are that convinced that is what he should do, you absolutely must find a way to get your message to him face-to-face. Go for it!
I di believe it. He has not invited me to any face to face discussions. Perhaps with your inside help you could make this happen. Go for it.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 09, 2025, 10:37:54 AMTalent is not as good next year, so it makes total sense to bring in a seasoned scorer or a big. Grad transfer unless some players leave.
How do you know? The talent was perceived to be so lacking going into the 2022-23 season that Big East coaches predicted we'd finish 9th. (F--- 'em!) There was plenty of teeth-gnashing here about TK not being a good enough PG, Oso not being a good enough 5, OMax being too out of control, and about there being no proven role players.
Obviously, we don't know if next season will turn out as 2022-23 did. I certainly wouldn't predict it. But the certainty you have is quite impressive given all you don't know.
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1899499860492967961?t=8xmP0uD33qQavqdMiaPvpg&s=19
How about a short walk down the road?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 11, 2025, 12:10:55 PMhttps://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1899499860492967961?t=8xmP0uD33qQavqdMiaPvpg&s=19
How about a short walk down the road?
Why would he transfer to Concordia? Guessing he wants to move up a level.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 11, 2025, 12:18:51 PMWhy would he transfer to Concordia? Guessing he wants to move up a level.
Seems like he's great in small gyms. Similar to Joplin. Would be a great fit at Concordia
This guy shot 44% from 3, with that athleticism, wow.
Surprised this is the 1st I've seen or heard of him. I'm sure every blue blood will be all over this.
https://x.com/PDTScouting/status/1901695235018891526?t=J7IBboD8bfvK-pdwqoHvRg&s=19
Well, predictably, it seems like Iowa fans jumped the gun and Owen Freeman sounds to be deciding between Michigan and Gonzaga. But the real doozy on discord is there's tons of smoke that Braden Smith is testing the portal waters.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 17, 2025, 06:05:09 PMThis guy shot 44% from 3, with that athleticism, wow.
Surprised this is the 1st I've seen or heard of him. I'm sure every blue blood will be all over this.
https://x.com/PDTScouting/status/1901695235018891526?t=J7IBboD8bfvK-pdwqoHvRg&s=19
He took more long 2s in that 2 minute video then our entire team has taken in the past three seasons. Literally
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 11:47:36 AMIf you are that convinced that is what he should do, you absolutely must find a way to get your message to him face-to-face. Go for it!
I am glad for your concern for my messages. Wish you could be whispering in Shaka's ear because we all know that he would listen to you. BTW, eventually Shaka will wake up. It may already be too late.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2025, 10:07:53 AMI am glad for your concern for my messages. Wish you could be whispering in Shaka's ear because we all know that he would listen to you. BTW, eventually Shaka will wake up. It may already be too late.
Shaka has 2 top 2 seeds, a BE title, a BE Tournament title, and is the second highest seed in the BE this year in 4 years here. Shaka's doing fine. You're just a baby.
When looking at teams using the portal, it is important to only look at the teams doing better than Marquette. Never look at teams doing the same or worse.
Please ignore teams like Kansas, Gonzaga, Xavier, Indiana, Kansas State, Georgetown, Providence, etc.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2025, 10:07:53 AMI am glad for your concern for my messages. Wish you could be whispering in Shaka's ear because we all know that he would listen to you. BTW, eventually Shaka will wake up. It may already be too late.
Get woke, go broke.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 18, 2025, 12:24:07 PMShaka has 2 top 2 seeds, a BE title, a BE Tournament title, and is the second highest seed in the BE this year in 4 years here. Shaka's doing fine. You're just a baby.
agreed, 100% (although I feel we wasted those two 2-seedings) However, this years MU team, in a weak BE aside from StJ's, is not on a positive trend. Should MU have the higher seed over UConn and Creighton?...regardless, I feel Shaka's recruiting approach needs to adjust to include the portal. And, maybe it has. Who knows? But, and making the assumption StJ's under RickyP is the benchmark...Hurley too, I don't think relying on HS recruits and taking fliers on bigs will duplicate past success as the top dogs reload. Agree or disagree w/WillieWarrior, but he does understand that status quo doesn't win big.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 12:48:39 PMagreed, 100% (although I feel we wasted those two 2-seedings) However, this years MU team, in a weak BE aside from StJ's, is not on a positive trend. Should MU have the higher seed over UConn and Creighton?...regardless, I feel Shaka's recruiting approach needs to adjust to include the portal. And, maybe it has. Who knows? But, and making the assumption StJ's under RickyP is the benchmark...Hurley too, I don't think relying on HS recruits and taking fliers on bigs will duplicate past success as the top dogs reload. Agree or disagree w/WillieWarrior, but he does understand that status quo doesn't win big.
Joyless willie certainly understands the importance of calling Marquette athletes names and thinking he knows more about our program than our coach does.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 18, 2025, 12:24:07 PMShaka has 2 top 2 seeds, a BE title, a BE Tournament title, and is the second highest seed in the BE this year in 4 years here. Shaka's doing fine. You're just a baby.
Guess you missed how Shaka finished this season. Weakest since year 1. You are not doing fine, and your name calling trash talk needs major upgrading.
If by weakest you mean he's only won 24 games with 13 coming in the regular season conference play rather than the 27 and 14 or 29 and 17 of the previous two years, then you are technically correct. I know a lot of programs that would would love a 24 win season that extends their tournament streak to 4, while keeping the tournament appearance percentage at 100%.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 18, 2025, 01:29:37 PMIf by weakest you mean he's only won 24 games with 13 coming in the regular season conference play rather than the 27 and 14 or 29 and 17 of the previous two years, then you are technically correct. I know a lot of programs that would would love a 24 win season that extends their tournament streak to 4, while keeping the tournament appearance percentage at 100%.
past success doesn't necessarily guarantee future success. You can see the trend. Don't you agree that if it's status quo in terms of recruiting and retention, we'll ultimately end up with new steak knives at year end rather than Cadillacs. Some folks are ok with that.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 12:48:39 PMagreed, 100% (although I feel we wasted those two 2-seedings) However, this years MU team, in a weak BE aside from StJ's, is not on a positive trend. Should MU have the higher seed over UConn and Creighton?...regardless, I feel Shaka's recruiting approach needs to adjust to include the portal. And, maybe it has. Who knows? But, and making the assumption StJ's under RickyP is the benchmark...Hurley too, I don't think relying on HS recruits and taking fliers on bigs will duplicate past success as the top dogs reload. Agree or disagree w/WillieWarrior, but he does understand that status quo doesn't win big.
St. John's has had 1 (ONE) season of really high-level success so far.
UConn is a blue blood but has a lower seed than Marquette this year.
And you're talking about a negative trend for Marquette after 2 (TWO) seeds? Also, typically one season does not constitute a trend.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:14:54 PMpast success doesn't necessarily guarantee future success. You can see the trend. Don't you agree that if it's status quo in terms of recruiting and retention, we'll ultimately end up with new steak knives at year end rather than Cadillacs. Some folks are ok with that.
Trend? They were a two seed just last year. Are you under the impression that programs don't ever take a step back?
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:14:54 PMpast success doesn't necessarily guarantee future success. You can see the trend. Don't you agree that if it's status quo in terms of recruiting and retention, we'll ultimately end up with new steak knives at year end rather than Cadillacs. Some folks are ok with that.
This is comical.
Somehow one year of success for St. John's is clearly a guarantee of future success for them because they use the portal.
Yet ONE season for Marquette, where they were still comfortably in the tourney as a 7 seed, is somehow a trend, apparently because Shaka likely wont use the portal.
Really great stuff.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:14:54 PMpast success doesn't necessarily guarantee future success. You can see the trend. Don't you agree that if it's status quo in terms of recruiting and retention, we'll ultimately end up with new steak knives at year end rather than Cadillacs. Some folks are ok with that.
I'm not sure you took the right takeaways from Glengarry Glen Ross.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 18, 2025, 02:35:17 PMI'm not sure you took the right takeaways from Glengarry Glen Ross.
See, that was funny right there!
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:14:54 PMpast success doesn't necessarily guarantee future success. You can see the trend.
A trend of 20+ win seasons ending with tournament appearances? That's the only trend I see.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:14:54 PMDon't you agree that if it's status quo in terms of recruiting and retention, we'll ultimately end up with new steak knives at year end rather than Cadillacs.
If it continues to work, it will continue to happen. It has continued to work so far, if that changes, either Shaka will change or he will gain critics here. Until That happens, yes
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:14:54 PMSome folks are ok with that.
and they should be.
It's like performance comedy. Or suspension of reality. Can't decide which applies more.
And I'm one who does think that yes, it might ultimately be the case that Shaka's recruit/develop/retain strategy might not be able to succeed in this new reality.
I just don't get why folks can't trust our very successful coach until it's actually proven that his way won't work.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 18, 2025, 02:35:17 PMI'm not sure you took the right takeaways from Glengarry Glen Ross.
great flick. You caught where I was going, yes?
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 18, 2025, 02:37:44 PMA trend of 20+ win seasons ending with tournament appearances? That's the only trend I see.If it continues to work, it will continue to happen. It has continued to work so far, if that changes, either Shaka will change or he will gain critics here. Until That happens, yesand they should be.
so, I should be? You are telling me I should be satisfied with the current level of success? Really? Now that's COLE.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 18, 2025, 02:23:23 PMTrend? They were a two seed just last year. Are you under the impression that programs don't ever take a step back?
step back...but we never really got that far forward. Sure, compared to the Wojo years, but can't there be sustained success? And, things are changing within the sport at light speed. Maybe Shaka is going to change/adjust too.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 18, 2025, 02:25:50 PMThis is comical.
Somehow one year of success for St. John's is clearly a guarantee of future success for them because they use the portal.
Yet ONE season for Marquette, where they were still comfortably in the tourney as a 7 seed, is somehow a trend, apparently because Shaka likely wont use the portal.
Really great stuff.
offering nothing, as usual, says Vander, from the folks house. Don't you have to be 18 to play here, kiddo?
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:53:29 PMso, I should be? You are telling me I should be satisfied with the current level of success? Really? Now that's COLE.
Okay and satisfied are different things. You can be okay with 20+ win seasons, BE Title, BET titles, AA, NBA draft picks, and a 100% NCAA Tournament appearance rate and still not be satisfied and want more. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
Questioning the methods that got all that success and wanting to implement a different roster building philosophy that spits in the face of that which got you the above success, certainly is a choice.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:53:29 PMso, I should be? You are telling me I should be satisfied with the current level of success? Really? Now that's COLE.
No. You should be satisfied that Shaka has shown to be a very good basketball coach. He has lead the program to just its second BE title, first BET title, and the highest tournament seeds that we have seen in over a generation.
You are making the mistake in thinking that progress is linear, and that any step back is a negative "trend" versus understanding this is generally how it goes in college basketball. For instance, for a guy who is obsessed about UW and Greg Gard, look at the ups and downs that he has had? Or Jay Wright?
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 18, 2025, 02:59:44 PMOkay and satisfied are different things. You can be okay with 20+ win seasons, BE Title, BET titles, AA, NBA draft picks, and a 100% NCAA Tournament appearance rate and still not be satisfied and want more. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
Questioning the methods that got all that success and wanting to implement a different roster building philosophy that spits in the face of that which got you the above success, certainly is a choice.
I'll try to summarize...happy with Shaka progression seasons 1-3.Absolutely. A coming in from the wilderness. This year, to date, not as much. Not a bad year by any means, but the later part of the season results were attention getting. Spit in face, your words, seems extreme. Rather, I see how the college basketball landscape is changing, and w/Duke being an exception, I agree with Rick Pitino when he said winning big with HS recruits isn't likely. Hence, status quo and winning big, I'm not so sure. I've always felt MU can have sustained, Jay Wright success. Maybe we yet will.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:58:31 PMoffering nothing, as usual, says Vander, from the folks house. Don't you have to be 18 to play here, kiddo?
Simply pointing out how your opinions on Marquette vs some other Big East schools are completely illogical.
You don't even understand what constitutes a "trend".
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 03:20:21 PMI'll try to summarize...happy with Shaka progression seasons 1-3.Absolutely. A coming in from the wilderness. This year, to date, not as much. Not a bad year by any means, but the later part of the season results were attention getting. Spit in face, your words, seems extreme. Rather, I see how the college basketball landscape is changing, and w/Duke being an exception, I agree with Rick Pitino when he said winning big with HS recruits isn't likely. Hence, status quo and winning big, I'm not so sure. I've always felt MU can have sustained, Jay Wright success. Maybe we yet will.
I, and more importantly, Shaka, fully disagree with you. Further, a team of HS developed players made it to the Championship game literally a year ago, so it's not exactly like there's no precedent of success for the model Shaka is pursuing.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:50:50 PMgreat flick. You caught where I was going, yes?
Move away from the provencode you live by in order to get ahead at any cost? Shaka kinda already tried that at Texas with not great results.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 18, 2025, 03:25:25 PMI, and more importantly, Shaka, fully disagree with you. Further, a team of HS developed players made it to the Championship game literally a year ago, so it's not exactly like there's no precedent of success for the model Shaka is pursuing.
you know Shaka? You know him and thus know how he operates, his thoughts and opinions? That's great, man. I stand corrected on my own thoughts on the subject. Carry on.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 03:37:52 PMyou know Shaka? You know him and thus know how he operates, his thoughts and opinions? That's great, man. I stand corrected on my own thoughts on the subject. Carry on.
It's good that you can admit you're wrong.
I've never heard of any of these transfer portal guys you all are talking about.
I personally don't care how Shaka builds MU's roster, be it thru the portal or HS recruits. What I would like to see are recruits who can hold their own in the physical Big East and not get slaughtered on the glass. Also some knockdown 3 pt shooters if the offensive emphasis is predominately 3 pt shots. We need a more diverse scoring team. Right now if we are not hitting 3's no recourse. Defensively our guys always seem to have a size disadvantage.
Maybe Shaka can someday recruit a roster that could be competitive in the Big East.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 18, 2025, 02:59:44 PMQuestioning the methods that got all that success and wanting to implement a different roster building philosophy that spits in the face of that which got you the above success, certainly is a choice.
I think you're forgetting that much of the success of the first three seasons was dependent on transfers.
It's not that people want Shaka to implement a *different* roster building philosophy. They want him to stick with the one that actually brought success his first 3 seasons at MU.
Or given that he's going to change regardless, stop trying to pretend that this new philosophy is what brought the past success.
We may well win a league title again in the future under this new philosophy--but the last time we did win a title it was with transfers Kolek and Prosper playing big roles on the team.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 18, 2025, 04:30:13 PMMaybe Shaka can someday recruit a roster that could be competitive in the Big East.
Three of his five best players at MU were Wojo recruits.
/ducks
So maybe we trust that Shaka knows when he needs to hit the portal and when he doesn't? I don't know.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 18, 2025, 04:31:21 PMI think you're forgetting that much of the success of the first three seasons was dependent on transfers.
It's not that people want Shaka to implement a *different* roster building philosophy. They want him to stick with the one that actually brought success his first 3 seasons at MU.
Or given that he's going to change regardless, stop trying to pretend that this new philosophy is what brought the past success.
We may well win a league title again in the future under this new philosophy--but the last time we did win a title it was with transfers Kolek and Prosper playing big roles on the team.
Shaka's philosophy has not changed since he's gotten here. I've posted many times that he is not "anti-transfer". I think you may mis-understand my post.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 18, 2025, 04:35:20 PMSo maybe we trust that Shaka knows when he needs to hit the portal and when he doesn't? I don't know.
maybe, maybe not. As I posted prior, I feel what Shaka has done...which is definitely good...should be expected annually. We are Marquette, damn it. Great school, facilities, budget, basketball history & tradition. I see no roadblocks to being a Jay Wright- 'Nova. But maybe that's just me.
Comedy gold
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 05:02:03 PMmaybe, maybe not. As I posted prior, I feel what Shaka has done...which is definitely good...should be expected annually. We are Marquette, damn it. Great school, facilities, budget, basketball history & tradition. I see no roadblocks to being a Jay Wright- 'Nova. But maybe that's just me.
We had never in the history, such a storied, incredible history, as you just said, received a seed higher than 3 prior to Shaka. And now we should expect that every single year? Sure.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 03:20:21 PMI'll try to summarize...happy with Shaka progression seasons 1-3.Absolutely. A coming in from the wilderness. This year, to date, not as much. Not a bad year by any means, but the later part of the season results were attention getting. Spit in face, your words, seems extreme. Rather, I see how the college basketball landscape is changing, and w/Duke being an exception, I agree with Rick Pitino when he said winning big with HS recruits isn't likely. Hence, status quo and winning big, I'm not so sure. I've always felt MU can have sustained, Jay Wright success. Maybe we yet will.
Doubt it about sustained success like Wright. He got out of the game because he saw the direction it was going. Shaka does not want to negotiate with agents, which is fine and I admire him for his position. But he needs to up grade the roster with shooters and bangers, so hope he has a magic wand.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:56:27 PMcan't there be sustained success?
We've won 23 games, we've been a no-doubt NCAAT team all season, we're the second-highest seeded Big East team in the dance ... and, as a bonus, we've given you a win over RED so you don't have to defer to your douchenozzle BIL.
In other words, success has been sustained.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2025, 05:06:21 PMDoubt it about sustained success like Wright. He got out of the game because he saw the direction it was going. Shaka does not want to negotiate with agents, which is fine and I admire him for his position. But he needs to up grade the roster with shooters and bangers, so hope he has a magic wand.
So a wizard from Harry Potter
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 18, 2025, 09:13:24 PMSo a wizard from Harry Potter
Unlike your wizard status established in the 🚻 that is bathroom
99% of the people on this board have chosen to not respond to his written vomit...getting to 100% would be great. In a very divisive world, we can all agree he's crazy. Just move along.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 19, 2025, 06:42:06 AM99% of the people on this board have chosen to not respond to his written vomit...getting to 100% would be great. In a very divisive world, we can all agree he's crazy. Just move along.
That is non-specific.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 19, 2025, 06:42:06 AM99% of the people on this board have chosen to not respond to his written vomit...getting to 100% would be great. In a very divisive world, we can all agree he's crazy. Just move along.
Wingdings has been a fan since women knew their place and segregation was still the law of the land.
He brings incredible knowledge about human orifices and even more incredibly clever nicknames to coaches and players.
This is the kind of insight that Lobos fans are procuring as they scroll this board to learn about Marquette and its fans. It has to be comforting to them reading his posts.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2025, 07:06:10 AMWingdings has been a fan since women knew their place and segregation was still the law of the land.
He brings incredible knowledge about human orifices and even more incredibly clever nicknames to coaches and players.
This is the kind of insight that Lobos fans are procuring as they scroll this board to learn about Marquette and its fans. It has to be comforting to them reading his posts.
To his credit, he has also established himself as Scoop's most prominent voice when it comes to male gentialia. Now with the added bonus of posting his musings at all hours of the night. Priceless insights for Lobo fans.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2025, 03:49:54 AMUnlike your wizard status established in the 🚻 that is bathroom
See ya wee little Willie!
Quote from: RJax55 on March 19, 2025, 07:15:54 AMTo his credit, he has also established himself as Scoop's most prominent voice when it comes to male gentialia. Now with the added bonus of posting his musings at all hours of the night. Priceless insights for Lobo fans.
I just assumed he was both a proctologist and urologist
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2025, 10:07:53 AMI am glad for your concern for my messages. Wish you could be whispering in Shaka's ear because we all know that he would listen to you. BTW, eventually Shaka will wake up. It may already be too late.
You responded to my post twice in a short period of time, so either I rattled your cage or you may be in the early stages of dementia. I'm going with the second one. That would explain why it may already be too late for you.
Scoopers, your vote? Rattled or dementia?
Malik Reneau from iu to portal
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 19, 2025, 09:41:13 AMMalik Reneau from iu to portal
I was amused that in his announcement he (more likely his agent) gave the wrong name of the school: "University of Indiana."
Quote from: RJax55 on March 19, 2025, 07:15:54 AMTo his credit, he has also established himself as Scoop's most prominent voice when it comes to male gentialia. Now with the added bonus of posting his musings at all hours of the night. Priceless insights for Lobo fans.
And even more so he has established himself as the soothsayer of MU basketball even though that are blinded by their MU Fandom that they cannot recognize them that are brought up by him. Rather they would prefer to be a numbnuts and try to use insults Like water off a ducks back. Water thrown by dorks. Their opinion is the only one that matters to them. And you and they know who those people are
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2025, 10:17:50 AMAnd even more so he has established himself as the soothsayer of MU basketball even though that are blinded by their MU Fandom that they cannot recognize them that are brought up by him. Rather they would prefer to be a numbnuts and try to use insults Like water off a ducks back. Water thrown by dorks. Their opinion is the only one that matters to them. And you and they know who those people are
Yes. You are the voice in the wilderness.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 19, 2025, 10:33:15 AMYes. You are the voice in the wilderness.
The howling wolf.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 19, 2025, 10:33:15 AMYes. You are the voice in the wilderness.
The lack of self-awareness is truly something to behold
We are Mar Quette!
So to move this more on topic--do we think Reneau would be a good fit here?
I have watched him for two years. I would characterize him as inconsistent across the board.
Attitude/Effort
Defense.
Offense.
IU bogged down when Woodson tried to play him and Ballo together. He just isn't a stretch 4.
Having said all that, when dialed in, he is a gifted scorer, a low post presence, and most importantly, left handed. He is a big body, but I don't know that he is the solution for Ejiofor.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2025, 03:49:54 AMUnlike your wizard status established in the 🚻 that is bathroom
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edit: All of this is nonsense.
https://x.com/RealRobReinhart/status/1902406065246912809?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Bryce Hopkins into the portal. That initial list of teams that have reached out is, interesting.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 05:02:03 PMI feel what Shaka has done...which is definitely good...should be expected annually.
And thankfully, he is delivering annually. Or maybe you didn't hear that we are in the NCAA Tournament again for the fourth straight year? If you missed that ... we are a 7 seed.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2025, 12:13:03 PMGlad to hear that you pay attention to my posts. Judging to what you mentioned, it is obvious you are fixated on male genitalia and have missed many points of other posts. But that is OK, we now know what really turns you on. Keep watching, maybe you will get lucky again. BTW, is a mans kielbasa
sa considered genitalia? Just asking the expert.
This post will be in the Webster dictionary under "Irony."
Quote from: wadesworld on March 19, 2025, 12:18:33 PMThis post will be in the Webster dictionary under "Irony."
It's art
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 19, 2025, 12:15:26 PMhttps://x.com/RealRobReinhart/status/1902406065246912809?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Bryce Hopkins into the portal. That initial list of teams that have reached out is, interesting.
He should know ABD.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 19, 2025, 12:55:45 PMHe should know ABD.
He has St. John's written all over himself.....
Quote from: burger on March 19, 2025, 01:00:47 PMHe has St. John's written all over himself.....
Or the Hoyas. Especially if Sorber returns.
On his third attempt Bryce Hopkins FINALLY successfully enters the transfer portal.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 19, 2025, 01:09:09 PMOr the Hoyas. Especially if Sorber returns.
Hoyas a dumb enough to want him. St John's isn't
Interesting that Hopkins has "DO NOT CONTACT". Must know where he wants to go already.
Quote from: 100AcreNation on March 19, 2025, 01:14:19 PMInteresting that Hopkins has "DO NOT CONTACT". Must know where he wants to go already.
Herm contacted him anyway, and Hopkins told Herm he wants to play for an excellent team.
Quote from: burger on March 19, 2025, 01:00:47 PMHe has St. John's written all over himself.....
Don't know. Is he willing to play defense at the level Pitino expects?
some potentially intriguing international prospects moving up for mid-majors:
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1902046754209513608
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1901730349425848761
Size and shooting ability from deep. Maybe Travis being an Italian league legend could help with the second guy.
BTW, I am not telling Shaka he needs to be active in the portal, but if he were, these two could potentially be good fits at MU.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 19, 2025, 01:09:09 PMOr the Hoyas. Especially if Sorber returns.
First round pick likely, no way he comes back for funsies.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 19, 2025, 12:15:26 PMhttps://x.com/RealRobReinhart/status/1902406065246912809?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Bryce Hopkins into the portal. That initial list of teams that have reached out is, interesting.
That account is a PC burner account - yes Hopkins is going into portal, but he has no contact and Borzello tweeted Hopkins staying in BE.
Always remember Simon Charles and Rob Reinhart are PC burners.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2025, 10:17:50 AMAnd even more so he has established himself as the soothsayer of MU basketball even though that are blinded by their MU Fandom that they cannot recognize them that are brought up by him. Rather they would prefer to be a numbnuts and try to use insults Like water off a ducks back. Water thrown by dorks. Their opinion is the only one that matters to them. And you and they know who those people are
Definitely dementia
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status/1902471778930454790?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on March 19, 2025, 04:35:56 PMhttps://x.com/travisbranham_/status/1902471778930454790?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Our Aircraft carrier!!
https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1902440150824518020?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2025, 07:06:10 AMWingdings has been a fan since women knew their place and segregation was still the law of the land.
He brings incredible knowledge about human orifices and even more incredibly clever nicknames to coaches and players.
This is the kind of insight that Lobos fans are procuring as they scroll this board to learn about Marquette and its fans. It has to be comforting to them reading his posts.
This post made me wonder if some posters would make more sense if they only posted using the Wingdings font.
Quote from: forgetful on March 19, 2025, 08:56:13 PMThis post made me wonder if some posters would make more sense if they only posted using the Wingdings font.
Willard, yes
Quote from: MuMark on March 19, 2025, 08:52:27 PMhttps://x.com/247hshoops/status/1902440150824518020?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Is th the guy who made it possible for us to beat DePaul by casually losing his dribble into the backcourt?
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 12:30:18 AMIs th the guy who made it possible for us to beat DePaul by casually losing his dribble into the backcourt?
Thanks for posting this. I could not
believe our good fortune when we were so close to a very embarrassing loss. We should have given the guy the SOTG.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2025, 08:44:32 AMThanks for posting this. I could not believe our good fortune when we were so close to a very embarrassing loss. We should have given the guy the SOTG.
Didn't cover, no SOTG
Austin Herro in the portal.
Maybe the Hausers will sign off on bringing him to Marquette.
https://x.com/portal_updates/status/1902771681690542248?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on March 20, 2025, 12:28:34 PMhttps://x.com/portal_updates/status/1902771681690542248?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Wow that's impressive, we could use a guy like that
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 20, 2025, 12:40:43 PMWow that's impressive, we could use a guy like that
Shaka just isn't interested in these type of guys.
Quote from: MuMark on March 20, 2025, 12:28:34 PMhttps://x.com/portal_updates/status/1902771681690542248?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
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Finally, a transfer who fits the culture.
Quote from: MuMark on March 20, 2025, 12:28:34 PMhttps://x.com/portal_updates/status/1902771681690542248?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Aircraft Carrier material
Is Sean in the portal??
Quote from: MuMark on March 20, 2025, 12:28:34 PMhttps://x.com/portal_updates/status/1902771681690542248?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Bag Drop
If he wasn't a former MU player, more than a few Scoopers would look at his height and his stats, and they'd complain that Shaka wasn't pursuing him.
Still getting used to the fact that every player with a pulse not only announces when they leave but when they aren't leaving......lol
https://x.com/ryan_mela/status/1902796216108265691?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 02:04:39 PMIf he wasn't a former MU player, more than a few Scoopers would look at his height and his stats, and they'd complain that Shaka wasn't pursuing him.
maybe NKy should be our minor league program...recall Itejere, send down Hamilton for a year 🤣
Every player with a pulse should go into the portal to see the schools NIL program, NCAA has ruined college ball or get some guidelines on what is going on. Every decent mid major will be in the portal for sure!
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 02:43:28 PMEvery player with a pulse should go into the portal to see the schools NIL program, NCAA has ruined college ball or get some guidelines on what is going on. Every decent mid major will be in the portal for sure!
god forbid the players get paid!
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 02:43:28 PMEvery player with a pulse should go into the portal to see the schools NIL program, NCAA has ruined college ball or get some guidelines on what is going on. Every decent mid major will be in the portal for sure!
Absolutely, the mid majors are only the minor league for the major schools.
Their best players get called up to the major league.
The new JUCO.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 02:43:28 PMEvery player with a pulse should go into the portal to see the schools NIL program, NCAA has ruined college ball or get some guidelines on what is going on. Every decent mid major will be in the portal for sure!
How is it "ruined" and how is the NCAA responsible?
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 02:43:28 PMEvery player with a pulse should go into the portal to see the schools NIL program, NCAA has ruined college ball or get some guidelines on what is going on. Every decent mid major will be in the portal for sure!
I assure you, it was not the NCAAs idea to institute NIL. lmao
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 20, 2025, 03:00:06 PMI assure you, it was not the NCAAs idea to institute NIL. lmao
Pitino is totally right, why recruit high school kids, all about money
While the transfer portal and NIL do seem to go hand in hand, I wonder what percentage of kids that transfer get little to no NIL money.
I'm willing to bet it's a significant majority.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on March 20, 2025, 02:44:41 PMgod forbid the players get paid!
The problem isn't players getting paid. That's awesome.
The problem is that the NCAA lacked the foresight to see this was inevitable and, as a result, the system is chaos.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2025, 03:43:48 PMThe problem isn't players getting paid. That's awesome.
The problem is that the NCAA lacked the foresight to see this was inevitable and, as a result, the system is chaos.
Counterpoint: the system is fine.
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 20, 2025, 03:40:15 PMWhile the transfer portal and NIL do seem to go hand in hand, I wonder what percentage of kids that transfer get little to no NIL money.
I'm willing to bet it's a significant majority.
Every player at MU gets 6 figures
Source of this information?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2025, 03:46:32 PMCounterpoint: the system is fine.
Counterpoint: sports with a salary cap are better than those without, and have more parity.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 03:51:27 PMEvery player at MU gets 6 figures
May be true, but this doesn't really address my question at all
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 20, 2025, 04:12:52 PMCounterpoint: sports with a salary cap are better than those without, and have more parity.
Sure. I didn't say it was perfect. I said it was fine.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2025, 03:46:32 PMCounterpoint: the system is fine.
Fine is subjective, I suppose.
A system in which teams have to bail on games because too many players are in the portal; or in which players are being bought away from a program while their team is still playing meaningful games; or when players leave midseason because of an NIL dispute, isn't fine. It's broken.
Again, 100% for the players getting paid. But the system right now is a mess.
Somehow CFB is thriving and the NCAA Tournament is still massive.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 03:38:07 PMPitino is totally right, why recruit high school kids, all about money
That may be right for Pitino. It may not be right for other coaches. Just like there were more ways than one to win big prior to NIL and no sit transfers (one and done freshman at Duke, get old and stay old at Nova), there will be multiple ways to win now. Pitino is winning with transfers. MU is winning without transfers. UConn has won the last 2 titles mainly by recruiting high school athletes and developing them, and then adding a high level transfer to fill a need.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 02:43:28 PMEvery player with a pulse should go into the portal to see the schools NIL program, NCAA has ruined college ball or get some guidelines on what is going on. Every decent mid major will be in the portal for sure!
Or they can get money where they are, and like where they are. Kids have different motivations, and should do what they feel is best for themselves.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 20, 2025, 05:22:06 PMSomehow CFB is thriving and the NCAA Tournament is still massive.
A bad system of player movement and good TV ratings aren't mutually exclusive.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2025, 05:03:02 PMFine is subjective, I suppose.
A system in which teams have to bail on games because too many players are in the portal; or in which players are being bought away from a program while their team is still playing meaningful games; or when players leave midseason because of an NIL dispute, isn't fine. It's broken.
Again, 100% for the players getting paid. But the system right now is a mess.
It's largely fine. You're being swayed by the outliers.
Why can't we have these be multiple year contracts where both parties are forced to commit for more in years and dollars
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 20, 2025, 07:02:38 PMWhy can't we have these be multiple year contracts where both parties are forced to commit for more in years and dollars
They're not employees.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2025, 07:13:17 PMThey're not employees.
Don't have to be an employee to enter into a contract.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 03:38:07 PMPitino is totally right, why recruit high school kids, all about money
Because he is lazy
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 20, 2025, 07:39:40 PMDon't have to be an employee to enter into a contract.
I guess you didn't really read courts decisions, and I'm sure schools don't want them as employees
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 20, 2025, 07:02:38 PMWhy can't we have these be multiple year contracts where both parties are forced to commit for more in years and dollars
As soon as coaches stick to their 3-year or 5-year or 10-year or lifetime contracts, we can talk about rules to limit the mobility of players who finally won the right to freedom of movement.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2025, 05:03:02 PMplayers are being bought away from a program while their team is still playing meaningful games
The McNeese State coach was bought away while his team is in the NCAA Tournament.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2025, 05:03:02 PMFine is subjective, I suppose.
A system in which teams have to bail on games because too many players are in the portal; or in which players are being bought away from a program while their team is still playing meaningful games; or when players leave midseason because of an NIL dispute, isn't fine. It's broken.
Again, 100% for the players getting paid. But the system right now is a mess.
I think it absolutely is a sliding scale of subjectivity. I think too many people, some in the media and some in the social media space, anchor completely on "ITS GOOD THAT KIDS ARE GETTING PAID" and few any critiques of the system as some Boomer BACK IN MY DAY hating on the new NIL world. Multiple coaches (Kiffin, a west coast guy I don't recall) have said its good but the way its shaken out is a disaster and people jumped to "rich coaches don't like not having power" which is stupid and myopic.
I think you can say its chaos and Sultan can say its "fine but needs improvement" and both are correct and on the same general page. I mean, NIL in theory wasn't intended to be schools paying players a package to come play, though anyone with a brain could see it coming that way in the near future. But the NCAA/powers that be didn't have the forethought so now its a mess. Its not just outliers, there are numerous examples of schools not fulfilling financial promises and players feeling mislead by offers. Not to mention the "NIL agents" who are just leeching off of guys.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 20, 2025, 07:50:37 PMI guess you didn't really read courts decisions, and I'm sure schools don't want them as employees
You are correct, I have not and will not read the ruling. Not important enough to me. But, I will take your word for it, so admit my comment was not valid.
I was speaking in general, there is nothing to preclude any 18 year old from entering into a contract with Marquette University for services.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 20, 2025, 08:54:11 PMI think it absolutely is a sliding scale of subjectivity. I think too many people, some in the media and some in the social media space, anchor completely on "ITS GOOD THAT KIDS ARE GETTING PAID" and few any critiques of the system as some Boomer BACK IN MY DAY hating on the new NIL world. Multiple coaches (Kiffin, a west coast guy I don't recall) have said its good but the way its shaken out is a disaster and people jumped to "rich coaches don't like not having power" which is stupid and myopic.
I think you can say its chaos and Sultan can say its "fine but needs improvement" and both are correct and on the same general page. I mean, NIL in theory wasn't intended to be schools paying players a package to come play, though anyone with a brain could see it coming that way in the near future. But the NCAA/powers that be didn't have the forethought so now its a mess. Its not just outliers, there are numerous examples of schools not fulfilling financial promises and players feeling mislead by offers. Not to mention the "NIL agents" who are just leeching off of guys.
There are thousands of basketball players in D1, and you say there are "numerous" examples?
In other words...outliers.
Look I'm not saying it can't be improved but by and large the system is working. It's certainly not "chaos."
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 20, 2025, 08:57:04 PMYou are correct, I have not and will not read the ruling. Not important enough to me. But, I will take your word for it, so admit my comment was not valid.
I was speaking in general, there is nothing to preclude any 18 year old from entering into a contract with Marquette University for services.
Yes but then schools will be responsible for SS %, depending on State vacation time, and other issues maybe medical at some States, way too complicated. Think about football teams, 50 contracts minimum probably, I know we don't worry about that but most schools would have to deal with it.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 03:38:07 PMPitino is totally right, why recruit high school kids, all about money
Pitino's comment reminds me of the 1 and Done approach. It might work for some.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on March 20, 2025, 10:10:25 PMPitino's comment reminds me of the 1 and Done approach. It might work for some.
Yep.
When freshmen were allowed to play, it was gonna ruin college basketball.
When players started leaving early due to "hardship," it was gonna ruin college basketball.
When the best players were going straight from HS to the NBA, it was gonna ruin college basketball.
When it seemed every good player was a 1-and-done, it was gonna ruin college basketball.
Now, the fact that players can get paid and have freedom of movement, it's gonna ruin college basketball.
But here we all are, watching college basketball fanatically.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 20, 2025, 07:02:38 PMWhy can't we have these be multiple year contracts where both parties are forced to commit for more in years and dollars
See Xavier Lucas and Wisconsin. Signed a multi-year NIL deal, and they are trying to block his transfer and accused Miami of tampering. So it can be done.
Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2025, 10:24:30 PMSee Xavier Lucas and Wisconsin. Signed a multi-year NIL deal, and they are trying to block his transfer and accused Miami of tampering. So it can be done.
"On Jan. 7, Lucas and his family hired Heitner to represent Lucas in his battle against Wisconsin. Heitner also serves as an adjunct professor of NIL at the University of Miami School of Law. He argued that Wisconsin was violating NCAA rules by not putting Lucas into the transfer portal, calling it "an illegal restraint.""
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 20, 2025, 10:45:40 PM"On Jan. 7, Lucas and his family hired Heitner to represent Lucas in his battle against Wisconsin. Heitner also serves as an adjunct professor of NIL at the University of Miami School of Law. He argued that Wisconsin was violating NCAA rules by not putting Lucas into the transfer portal, calling it "an illegal restraint.""
Lucas also voluntarily signed a legally binding contract requiring him to stay at Wisconsin.
Hunter Dickinson and AJ Storr proved to be a good investment. Would they be classified as a banger and a mid range and 3 pt shooter? Almost as if using the portal does not guarantee success.
I freely acknowledge that Shaka's method does not guarantee success, either.
But going forward, whenever I read someone say MU has to spend huge on an aircraft carrier, I will think of Ballo at IU and Dickinson at Kansas and how they made the team and program better.
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 08:23:05 PMThe McNeese State coach was bought away while his team is in the NCAA Tournament.
This isn't the defense of the system you think it is.
Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2025, 11:08:23 PMLucas also voluntarily signed a legally binding contract requiring him to stay at Wisconsin.
Contracts can be illegal or non binding.
Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2025, 11:08:23 PMLucas also voluntarily signed a legally binding contract requiring him to stay at Wisconsin.
Yeah, I guess we will see how "legally binding" this contract actually is.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 06:35:26 AMHunter Dickinson and AJ Storr proved to be a good investment. Would they be classified as a banger and a mid range and 3 pt shooter? Almost as if using the portal does not guarantee success.
I freely acknowledge that Shaka's method does not guarantee success, either.
But going forward, whenever I read someone say MU has to spend huge on an aircraft carrier, I will think of Ballo at IU and Dickinson at Kansas and how they made the team and program better.
Come on now Tower. Those are the 2 examples you want to use? All they cared about was the money. Two of the most selfish collegiate players in the game. You can throw in Hawkins in your example as well and I am sure quite a few more.
How about LJ Cryer and JT Toppin as examples. Both look like great investments. I think both would have made us significantly better.
Do transfers guarantee success? No but with Shaka's hard stance on the matter, he is either going to look like a genius or a stubborn coach that game has passed by.
I like his philosophy as a fan. I prefer players who are around 3-4 years instead of having a huge roster turnover every year. But to completely ignore the portal when you have an opportunity to make your team better could a foolish decision on his part. Next year will be very telling.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 21, 2025, 08:36:25 AMCome on now Tower. Those are the 2 examples you want to use? All they cared about was the money. Two of the most selfish collegiate players in the game. You can throw in Hawkins in your example as well and I am sure quite a few more.
How about LJ Cryer and JT Toppin as examples. Both look like great investments. I think both would have made us significantly better.
Do transfers guarantee success? No but with Shaka's hard stance on the matter, he is either going to look like a genius or a stubborn coach that game has passed by.
I like his philosophy as a fan. I prefer players who are around 3-4 years instead of having a huge roster turnover every year. But to completely ignore the portal when you have an opportunity to make your team better could a foolish decision on his part. Next year will be very telling.
I guess when transfers are bad, they are considered "selfish," but when they are good it is a "great investment."
Big Papi, as you say, nearly every other team has been active in the portal. Has it worked out well for all of them? I don't think it can be argued that it has.
MU is a unicorn. That has gone 79-26 the last 3 seasons. Who does Shaka need to apologize to?
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 08:51:21 AMBig Papi, as you say, nearly every other team has been active in the portal. Has it worked out well for all of them? I don't think it can be argued that it has.
MU is a unicorn. That has gone 79-26 the last 3 seasons. Who does Shaka need to apologize to?
79-26 is great. BE and BE tourney champions. Two consecutive 2-seeds in the ncaa. But so-so success, imo, in the ncaa, which is what folks primarily care about. If Marquette avoids the portal, makes the ncaa every year but is pretty much out on the first weekend, are you ok with that? Or, take on some transfers and more often than not play second weekends? No wrong answer, just curious of your take. (I know you know mine)
Again Shaka isn't ignoring the portal, he will use if necessary, but won't go for a player whose main request is $$$$
Quote from: Viper on March 21, 2025, 09:00:08 AM79-26 is great. BE and BE tourney champions. Two consecutive 2-seeds in the ncaa. But so-so success, imo, in the ncaa, which is what folks primarily care about. If Marquette avoids the portal, makes the ncaa every year but is pretty much out on the first weekend, are you ok with that? Or, take on some transfers and more often than not play second weekends? No wrong answer, just curious of your take. (I know you know mine)
Is the portal going to help us make open shots? I'm not so sure. Our Achilles heel the last two tournaments has seemed to be good shooters going ice cold.
To say that the tournament shows our non-transfer strategy is not working kind of feels like grasping at straws. We have another topic here showing how Shaka is one of 3 MU coaches to make the tourney 4 years in a row.
Quote from: Viper on March 21, 2025, 09:00:08 AM79-26 is great. BE and BE tourney champions. Two consecutive 2-seeds in the ncaa. But so-so success, imo, in the ncaa, which is what folks primarily care about. If Marquette avoids the portal, makes the ncaa every year but is pretty much out on the first weekend, are you ok with that? Or, take on some transfers and more often than not play second weekends? No wrong answer, just curious of your take. (I know you know mine)
The bolded is quite the assumption.
Quote from: Viper on March 21, 2025, 09:00:08 AM79-26 is great. BE and BE tourney champions. Two consecutive 2-seeds in the ncaa. But so-so success, imo, in the ncaa, which is what folks primarily care about. If Marquette avoids the portal, makes the ncaa every year but is pretty much out on the first weekend, are you ok with that? Or, take on some transfers and more often than not play second weekends? No wrong answer, just curious of your take. (I know you know mine)
4 years, 4 tourneys. Over the first 3 seasons, winning one more game than the previous season. It would be fun if it continued.
Other than Buzz's three year run, when in the last 45 years has MU ever been about more than getting in and seeing what happens? Crean caught lightning in a bottle with Wade.
Never to be repeated. Most teams, most programs are like that. How many Big 10 teams have won a title this millennium? How many titles has Gonzaga won?
If MU keeps averaging 25 wins a season with Shaka doing it his way, I will be over the moon.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 21, 2025, 09:03:09 AMIs the portal going to help us make open shots? I'm not so sure. Our Achilles heel the last two tournaments has seemed to be good shooters going ice cold.
To say that the tournament shows our non-transfer strategy is not working kind of feels like grasping at straws. We have another topic here showing how Shaka is one of 3 MU coaches to make the tourney 4 years in a row.
QFT
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 08:44:56 AMI guess when transfers are bad, they are considered "selfish," but when they are good it is a "great investment."
AJ Storr is a hired gun. 3 years, 3 different programs. Had success last year at Wisconsin and bailed for more money. Yes very selfish. Hunter is a tool and always was. I wouldn't want him at MU if he gave us $2 million.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 21, 2025, 09:16:47 AMAJ Storr is a hired gun. 3 years, 3 different programs. Had success last year at Wisconsin and bailed for more money. Yes very selfish. Hunter is a tool and always was. I wouldn't want him at MU if he gave us $2 million.
As I said...
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 08:51:21 AMBig Papi, as you say, nearly every other team has been active in the portal. Has it worked out well for all of them? I don't think it can be argued that it has.
MU is a unicorn. That has gone 79-26 the last 3 seasons. Who does Shaka need to apologize to?
Who is asking for an apology?
Why does everything have to be extremes?
Nothing is 100%.
We used the portal, we got better. We stopped using portal and now things seem to maybe be trending the wrong way in my eyes.
I applaud Shaka for sticking to what he believes. He is definitely staking his coaching reputation on it. I really hope it works out.
And that's great that we have gone 79-26 the last 3 years. Great 3 years but the past doesn't mean the future will be the same or better. Could our record have been better if we brought in 1 transfer player for this year? Maybe, maybe not. We did have an obvious weaknesses heading into this year and some question marks. Coach decided to remain status quo and not address it. Maybe it was the right move, maybe not. It is ok to question it.
I'm going to enjoy the rest of this season and hope it doesn't end tonight.
It's not easy. I get it. I hope coach gets it right.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 06:35:26 AMBut going forward, whenever I read someone say MU has to spend huge on an aircraft carrier, I will think of Ballo at IU and Dickinson at Kansas and how they made the team and program better.
Are you the under the mistaken impression that KU would have been better without Dickinson or IU would have been better without Ballo?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 09:48:42 AMAre you the under the mistaken impression that KU would have been better without Dickinson or IU would have been better without Ballo?
Oh no, don't look up how much better KU performed last night with Dickinson on the bench.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2025, 09:50:38 AMOh no, don't look up how much better KU performed last night with Dickinson on the bench.
Ah, one game. Good point.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 21, 2025, 09:43:17 AMWho is asking for an apology?
Why does everything have to be extremes?
Nothing is 100%.
We used the portal, we got better. We stopped using portal and now things seem to maybe be trending the wrong way in my eyes.
I applaud Shaka for sticking to what he believes. He is definitely staking his coaching reputation on it. I really hope it works out.
And that's great that we have gone 79-26 the last 3 years. Great 3 years but the past doesn't mean the future will be the same or better. Could our record have been better if we brought in 1 transfer player for this year? Maybe, maybe not. We did have an obvious weaknesses heading into this year and some question marks. Coach decided to remain status quo and not address it. Maybe it was the right move, maybe not. It is ok to question it.
I'm going to enjoy the rest of this season and hope it doesn't end tonight.
It's not easy. I get it. I hope coach gets it right.
The Cult of Shaka (CoS) abides no nuance. You either think that Shaka is the greatest thing that has ever happened to any basketball program, anywhere, ever, or you are an "eeyore" who can't enjoy basketball and fandom and lives a miserable existence.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 09:48:42 AMAre you the under the mistaken impression that KU would have been better without Dickinson or IU would have been better without Ballo?
Regarding Dickinson...maybe? Not because Dickinson performed poorly by any means, although he certainly didn't take much of a leap from his days at Michigan, but bringing in a "big transfer" could have altered the offense or defense that Self usually runs, or caused locker room issues or something similar.
The team had its two worst seasons under Self the two seasons he was on the team. I don't know if any of us can state that this was causation or mere correlation.
Quote from: Viper on March 21, 2025, 09:00:08 AM79-26 is great. BE and BE tourney champions. Two consecutive 2-seeds in the ncaa. But so-so success, imo, in the ncaa, which is what folks primarily care about. If Marquette avoids the portal, makes the ncaa every year but is pretty much out on the first weekend, are you ok with that? Or, take on some transfers and more often than not play second weekends? No wrong answer, just curious of your take. (I know you know mine)
Fill the roster from varied sources
Must get bangers and consistent 3 point shooters
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 08:51:21 AMBig Papi, as you say, nearly every other team has been active in the portal. Has it worked out well for all of them? I don't think it can be argued that it has.
MU is a unicorn. That has gone 79-26 the last 3 seasons. Who does Shaka need to apologize to?
Marquette's lack of naval air superiority
I don't see any problem with bringing on even just one transfer each year to fill in gaps and improve the team. There has been plenty of discussion throughout conference play surrounding MU's collapse and other teams (integrating transfers) starting to fire on all cylinders. It will be interesting to see if Shaka sticks to his plan or adds some more talent in the transfer market. Tonight's game may play a part in that too.
Quote from: 1SE on March 21, 2025, 10:13:10 AMThe Cult of Shaka (CoS) abides no nuance. You either think that Shaka is the greatest thing that has ever happened to any basketball program, anywhere, ever, or you are an "eeyore" who can't enjoy basketball and fandom and lives a miserable existence.
Good thing there's no Cult of Shaka on Scoop. There are those of us who trust what Shaka is doing re building his program because so far it has been successful; and most of us say that if it proves to be unsuccessful, Shaka will need to change his stance on transfers.
But nice try, Eeyore!
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 21, 2025, 09:03:09 AMIs the portal going to help us make open shots? I'm not so sure.
I mean, I guess if Shaka brought in some transfers who are proven great 3-point shooters, it very well might.
Then again, Kam Jones was a proven great 3-point shooter before this season, and David Joplin was a proven good one.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 10:13:31 AMRegarding Dickinson...maybe? Not because Dickinson performed poorly by any means, although he certainly didn't take much of a leap from his days at Michigan, but bringing in a "big transfer" could have altered the offense or defense that Self usually runs, or caused locker room issues or something similar.
The team had its two worst seasons under Self the two seasons he was on the team. I don't know if any of us can state that this was causation or mere correlation.
If you're saying Dickinson is part of a poorly constructed roster, I agree with that. If you're saying that the same roster would fare better with some replacement-level guy in there instead, that's got "Are the Cowboys better without Dak?" vibes.
Kansas' issues, IMO, seem to revolve around a large number of recruiting misses and a group of players that don't play well together.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 09:48:42 AMAre you the under the mistaken impression that KU would have been better without Dickinson or IU would have been better without Ballo?
I disagree with your premise. I watched 20ish IU games this season. IU was at their worst when Woodson played Ballo and Reneau together. Both operated the best in the same space. And neither could guard in the perimeter. Think a combination of Theo/Garcia and Otule/Gardner. IU was at their best with one on the bench playing 4 out. Since ultimately IU missed the tourney and Woodson is out, I am comfortable saying Ballo did not make IU better.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMIf you're saying Dickinson is part of a poorly constructed roster, I agree with that. If you're saying that the same roster would fare better with some replacement-level guy in there instead, that's got "Are the Cowboys better without Dak?" vibes.
Kansas' issues, IMO, seem to revolve around a large number of recruiting misses and a group of players that don't play well together.
So you don't think a team with a poorly constructed roster might be better with someone else on that roster?
And basketball isn't football. Very different comparison with Dak.
Obviously, Ejiofor is nowhere near the same player he was at Kansas, where he was largely a garbage-time-only freshman. But I'm guessing Self would take today's Ejiofor over today's Dickinson if he magically could have made it happen.
Caveat: These speculation discussions are filled with impossible-to-prove stuff, including what I just said in that paragraph.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMIf you're saying Dickinson is part of a poorly constructed roster, I agree with that. If you're saying that the same roster would fare better with some replacement-level guy in there instead, that's got "Are the Cowboys better without Dak?" vibes.
Kansas' issues, IMO, seem to revolve around a large number of recruiting misses and a group of players that don't play well together.
As Shaka has said, culture is important. Wojo was not great at recruiting guys who fit a culture. The Hausers and Howard had a falling out, UNC players were not upset when Garcia left, Aidoo went for the money, etc. Ironically, in Kam and Stevie he got guys who were cultural fits for Shaka. They likely wouldn't have experienced anywhere near their current level of success under Wojo.
Shaka's also said that loyalty is a two-way street and coaches tend to be hypocrites in that regard. If you want the player to stick it out at MU, then you have to be willing to stick it out with the player.
It seems like the biggest criticism about Shaka is that people want MU to be UConn and they see the portal as an easy path that has no risk. That's not the case.
No coach is perfect, but Shaka is the best coach MU has had in many years.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 11:51:44 AMI disagree with your premise. I watched 20ish IU games this season. IU was at their worst when Woodson played Ballo and Reneau together. Both operated the best in the same space. And neither could guard in the perimeter. Think a combination of Theo/Garcia and Otule/Gardner. IU was at their best with one on the bench playing 4 out. Since ultimately IU missed the tourney and Woodson is out, I am comfortable saying Ballo did not make IU better.
What you're describing is a coaching problem, not a player problem. And I'm not sure why you'd want your 7-foot, 265-pound center guarding the perimeter.
Anyhow, Ballo led the team in win shares, win shares per 40, offensive win shares, defensive win shares, player efficiency rating, minutes played and points produced. But Indiana would have been a better team without him?
It's not that I oppose transfers, or think Shaka can do no wrong. I would have been glad if Shaka had added a PG this year for depth. Especially with Sean Jones out with injury, we could have used one.
But I can also understand Shaka's viewpoint based on what Shaka's saying in interviews, and what our recruits are saying in interviews. Regardless of my own personal opinion, I mostly know what Shaka's going to do. And that's focus on HS recruiting, retention, and development. If Shaka goes to the portal, he will be very selective.
Sometimes Shaka's approach will yield a breakout star, like Tyler or Oso. Other times will yield solid starters that aren't quite stars, like Stevie or Chase. And sometimes players won't develop like we all hope they do. Such is the nature of college basketball.
Plus, there's a lot of confirmation bias with the portal. The pro portal crowd will cite any successful team with a transfer, but ignore the teams that use the portal and fail. They point to transfers as a simple solution for Marquette's ails. Just know the portal can be hit or miss just as much as Shaka's approach.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 11:58:40 AMSo you don't think a team with a poorly constructed roster might be better with someone else on that roster?
I don't think you improve your roster construction by removing your best player. Seems like a better idea is to surround your best player(s) with complementary pieces.
We all recognized Wojo was bad at roster construction. Only the dolts here suggested the problem was having Markus Howard on the team.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 12:33:56 PMI don't think you improve your roster construction by removing your best player. Seems like a better idea is to surround your best player(s) with complementary pieces.
We all recognized Wojo was bad at roster construction. Only the dolts here suggested the problem was having Markus Howard on the team.
I guess. If Hunter Dickinson is your best player, I guess you have bigger problems than roster construction.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 12:36:48 PMI guess. If Hunter Dickinson is your best player, I guess you have bigger problems than roster construction.
He's no Ben Gold, but he is a two-time consensus All-American and four-time first-team all-conference, with a career 17.4 ppg and 9.0 rpg.
You could do worse.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 12:29:42 PMWhat you're describing is a coaching problem, not a player problem. And I'm not sure why you'd want your 7-foot, 265-pound center guarding the perimeter.
Anyhow, Ballo led the team in win shares, win shares per 40, offensive win shares, defensive win shares, player efficiency rating, minutes played and points produced. But Indiana would have been a better team without him?
In his 6th year of college at his third school getting a reported cool $1 million, his school did not make the tournament and his coach is gone. Not worth the investment.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/ncaa-tournament/2025/03/21/marquette-transfer-portal-shaka-smart/82589640007/
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 12:43:21 PMHe's no Ben Gold, but he is a two-time consensus All-American and four-time first-team all-conference, with a career 17.4 ppg and 9.0 rpg.
You could do worse.
Of course you could do worse. You could also do a lot better. And Self and Kansas have.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 12:43:21 PMHe's no Ben Gold, but he is a two-time consensus All-American and four-time first-team all-conference, with a career 17.4 ppg and 9.0 rpg.
You could do worse.
He'll be great on the Shanghai Sharks
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 12:44:41 PMIn his 6th year of college at his third school getting a reported cool $1 million, his school did not make the tournament and his coach is gone. Not worth the investment.
You're shifting the goalposts, tower.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 12:52:38 PMYou're shifting the goalposts, tower.
No he isn't. He literally has made the same point three times.
Not at all. My point is, and always has been in this thread, that whenever someone talks about aircraft carriers and bag drops, I will think about Dickinson and Ballo. I am of the opinion that these two were not worth it.
A better argument against mine would be Ejiofor, as he went from 11 minutes per game last season and grew into a beast this season.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 12:58:09 PMNot at all. My point is, and always has been in this thread, that whenever someone talks about aircraft carriers and bag drops, I will think about Dickinson and Ballo. I am of the opinion that these two were not worth it.
A better argument against mine would be Ejiofor, as he went from 11 minutes per game last season and grew into a beast this season.
The argument against Dickinson and Gallo, and for Ejiofor comes down to team culture.
Shaka has had success because he recruits to his culture. I'm certain that if a player was available in the Portal, that he and the team thought was a good fit to their culture, they'd pursue them.
But they aren't going to take someone because it fits a perceived hole in the roster. A round hole filled with a square peg does not a good fit make.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 12:57:41 PMNo he isn't. He literally has made the same point three times.
He went from suggesting that IU and KU weren't better teams because of Ballo and Dickinson to making some ROI argument based on a coach getting fired.
Whether they were worth the investment is pretty subjective, but a fair argument. It's hard to argue (though I'm sure some will try) that Kansas and Indiana would have been better teams this year without those players.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 12:58:09 PMNot at all. My point is, and always has been in this thread, that whenever someone talks about aircraft carriers and bag drops, I will think about Dickinson and Ballo. I am of the opinion that these two were not worth it.
A better argument against mine would be Ejiofor, as he went from 11 minutes per game last season and grew into a beast this season.
Interesting that the guy who left Kansas two years ago is winning more than the high profile transfer they added.
Or the guy who left Wisconsin for Kansas being outperformed by player that missed almost the entire year at Mizzou and previously was far from a superstar at Colorado State.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 09:48:42 AMAre you the under the mistaken impression that KU would have been better without Dickinson or IU would have been better without Ballo?
Guessing Kansas has Ejifor if Dickinson never shows up. So I'd say a resounding yes to that.
Looking at the roster next year, I do not see one consistent scorer on this team, so with 2000 kids in the portal you should be able to find one, hopefully a grad transfer, so he can use 3 scholarships the next year. But Shaka is very committed to what he is doing so I doubt it
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 21, 2025, 01:14:33 PMInteresting that the guy who left Kansas two years ago is winning more than the high profile transfer they added.
Or the guy who left Wisconsin for Kansas being outperformed by player that missed almost the entire year at Mizzou and previously was far from a superstar at Colorado State.
Yep. It is not as straightforward as add some talent in the portal and boom problem solved.
Anyway, many of the voices complaining about Shaka's strategy would be bitching the other way if Shaka was in the portal and then struggling to retain guys year over year. Even with the exact same results. Some people live to complain.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2025, 01:20:42 PMGuessing Kansas has Ejifor if Dickinson never shows up. So I'd say a resounding yes to that.
I am not a Dickinson fan. But literally every other player on that team was a bigger issue than him.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 21, 2025, 01:28:30 PMYep. It is not as straightforward as add some talent in the portal and boom problem solved.
Any more than it is a guarantee every player that signs with MU ends up in the NBA. To choose, to not choose, regardless, there is risk.
If MU had 4 players transfer out this spring and Shaka was forced to go to the portal, would that be a guarantee that the 25-26 team would be better than it would be if everybody stayed?
Quote from: jfp61 on March 21, 2025, 01:32:14 PMI am not a Dickinson fan. But literally every other player on that team was a bigger issue than him.
Nobody who has Hunter Dickinson on the defensive end is winning anything important. And one of their other problems is AJ Storr stinks. Another transfer.
Kansas won the portal the last 2 years, and as a result was ranked 1 in the preseason poll both years. And Self has had his 2 worst seasons of his Kansas career.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 01:33:28 PMAny more than it is a guarantee every player that signs with MU ends up in the NBA. To choose, to not choose, regardless, there is risk.
If MU had 4 players transfer out this spring and Shaka was forced to go to the portal, would that be a guarantee that the 25-26 team would be better than it would be if everybody stayed?
If you lost Norman, Amadou and Hamilton, you for sure can find 3 better players easily!
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 01:57:53 PMIf you lost Norman, Amadou and Hamilton, you for sure can find 3 better players easily!
Not really the point, but OK.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 01:57:53 PMIf you lost Norman, Amadou and Hamilton, you for sure can find 3 better players easily!
But could you find players who would look at the rest of the roster and then come to MU with no bag drop and no guarantee of playing time?
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 02:00:29 PMBut could you find players who would look at the rest of the roster and then come to MU with no bag drop and no guarantee of playing time?
These guys live in a fantasy world where great players are available without baggage and willing to come off the bench for a year.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 02:00:29 PMBut could you find players who would look at the rest of the roster and then come to MU with no bag drop and no guarantee of playing time?
Another inconvenient truth that the Portal Pushers ignore. Where's the $ for your strategy? This comes from a guy who posted that, in ignoring recruiting HS players, "Pitino is totally right." (Totally". ::) ?) Pitino has a billionaire in his pocket. Where is our billionaire?
Always good to see MU getting some press in the Chicago Tribune.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/03/20/marquette-ncaa-tournament-shaka-smart/
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 21, 2025, 02:09:12 PMAnother inconvenient truth that the Portal Pushers ignore. Where's the $ for your strategy? This comes from a guy who posted that, in ignoring recruiting HS players, "Pitino is totally right." (Totally". ::) ?) Pitino has a billionaire in his pocket. Where is our billionaire?
Dentists can't commit the Medicare fraud to get there since it's not covered.
This is why Shaka develops players vs portalling with $$$
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 01:27:49 PMLooking at the roster next year, I do not see one consistent scorer on this team, so with 2000 kids in the portal you should be able to find one, hopefully a grad transfer, so he can use 3 scholarships the next year. But Shaka is very committed to what he is doing so I doubt it
I see multiple guys that can grow into consistent scorers.
Again, go back to the start of the 22-23 season. Our highest returning scorer was Kam at 7 and change per game.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 21, 2025, 09:43:17 AMWho is asking for an apology?
Why does everything have to be extremes?
Nothing is 100%.
We used the portal, we got better. We stopped using portal and now things seem to maybe be trending the wrong way in my eyes.
I applaud Shaka for sticking to what he believes. He is definitely staking his coaching reputation on it. I really hope it works out.
And that's great that we have gone 79-26 the last 3 years. Great 3 years but the past doesn't mean the future will be the same or better. Could our record have been better if we brought in 1 transfer player for this year? Maybe, maybe not. We did have an obvious weaknesses heading into this year and some question marks. Coach decided to remain status quo and not address it. Maybe it was the right move, maybe not. It is ok to question it.
I'm going to enjoy the rest of this season and hope it doesn't end tonight.
It's not easy. I get it. I hope coach gets it right.
agreed, 100%
Don't ever be worried about scoring. Scoring just occurs.
Do be worried about the guards. None of the returns seem good enough outside Ross.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 21, 2025, 02:46:39 PMDon't ever be worried about scoring. Scoring just occurs.
Do be worried about the guards. None of the returns seem good enough outside Ross.
Don't sleep on Zaide. Big leap coming.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 21, 2025, 09:43:17 AMWho is asking for an apology?
Why does everything have to be extremes?
Nothing is 100%.
We used the portal, we got better. We stopped using portal and now things seem to maybe be trending the wrong way in my eyes.
I applaud Shaka for sticking to what he believes. He is definitely staking his coaching reputation on it. I really hope it works out.
And that's great that we have gone 79-26 the last 3 years. Great 3 years but the past doesn't mean the future will be the same or better. Could our record have been better if we brought in 1 transfer player for this year? Maybe, maybe not. We did have an obvious weaknesses heading into this year and some question marks. Coach decided to remain status quo and not address it. Maybe it was the right move, maybe not. It is ok to question it.
I'm going to enjoy the rest of this season and hope it doesn't end tonight.
It's not easy. I get it. I hope coach gets it right.
With the exception of Zach Wrightsil in year two, "we used the portal" to fill out a roster in year one of Shaka.
Regardless, how can you claim "we got better?" Better than what? A hypothetical first year without transfers? Wojo's last year?
That's really not an apples to apples comparison.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 21, 2025, 10:20:29 AMMarquette's lack of naval air superiority
Drones is where it's at now
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 21, 2025, 03:04:12 PMDrones is where it's at now
The biggest change in combat since aerial battles.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 01:27:49 PMLooking at the roster next year, I do not see one consistent scorer on this team, so with 2000 kids in the portal you should be able to find one, hopefully a grad transfer, so he can use 3 scholarships the next year. But Shaka is very committed to what he is doing so I doubt it
You keep saying that we MUST bring in transfers because there are no proven scorers on the roster, while ignoring that we had the exact same situation after the 2021-22 season.
You also have said Shaka and his assistants had little (or even nothing) to do with the improvement of Kolek, Oso, OMax, Kam, Joplin, Ross, Zaide, Parham, Gold. "Players always improve," you said, which of course isn't true.
We get it: You don't like Shaka, and you do like to complain about him. But it's difficult to have a conversation with a person who ignores facts and has already made up his or her mind despite lacking information.
Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2025, 04:01:17 PMYou keep saying that we MUST bring in transfers because there are no proven scorers on the roster, while ignoring that we had the exact same situation after the 2021-22 season.
You also have said Shaka and his assistants had little (or even nothing) to do with the improvement of Kolek, Oso, OMax, Kam, Joplin, Ross, Zaide, Parham, Gold. "Players always improve," you said, which of course isn't true.
We get it: You don't like Shaka, and you do like to complain about him. But it's difficult to have a conversation with a person who ignores facts and has already made up his or her mind despite lacking information.
And never responds when people point out his errors.
Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2025, 04:01:17 PMYou keep saying that we MUST bring in transfers because there are no proven scorers on the roster, while ignoring that we had the exact same situation after the 2021-22 season.
You also have said Shaka and his assistants had little (or even nothing) to do with the improvement of Kolek, Oso, OMax, Kam, Joplin, Ross, Zaide, Parham, Gold. "Players always improve," you said, which of course isn't true.
We get it: You don't like Shaka, and you do like to complain about him. But it's difficult to have a conversation with a person who ignores facts and has already made up his or her mind despite lacking information.
Nice summary, but if I may add one point that applies to the "portal people" (except Big Papi)- they seem to
assume that the portal will
always result in an improved roster. At least Papi admits portal players may or may not improve the team. As you said, it's difficult to have a conversation with a person who already has made up his/her mind.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 04:03:05 PMAnd never responds when people point out his errors.
I will respond, hope I am wrong. Shaka has done a great job for four years, next year will be interesting if his system works. But if Shaka would have been able to sign a kid here or there, MU would have possibly been better. I will never be happy finishing in the middle of the pack in the Big East. Tonight's game is big to we where MU stands today, and the future.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 05:13:47 PMI will respond, hope I am wrong. Shaka has done a great job for four years, next year will be interesting if his system works. But if Shaka would have been able to sign a kid here or there, MU would have possibly been better. I will never be happy finishing in the middle of the pack in the Big East. Tonight's game is big to we where MU stands today, and the future.
You're ignoring that subtraction by addition could very well be a thing.
Assuming all portal guys are good is short sided and why people are giving you grief.
Your posting history suggests you weren't particularly happy finishing at or near the top of the Big East the previous two years, either.
This post here also contains the single nicest thing you've said about Shaka. I mean, you refused to give him credit for the improvement of Kolek and Oso despite they themselves repeatedly saying he was instrumental.
We agree that bringing in a transfer might have possibly helped ... which by definition also means it might have possibly not helped, or even could have hurt.
We also agree that today's game is big for today. Because it's an NCAA Tournament game.
As to what happens today having something to do with the future ... if we win, yes, because we'd get to play again Sunday. That's the only "future" that matters right this second. If we lose, I doubt it will impact the future much if at all.
Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2025, 05:36:44 PMYour posting history suggests you weren't particularly happy finishing at or near the top of the Big East the previous two years, either.
This post here also contains the single nicest thing you've said about Shaka. I mean, you refused to give him credit for the improvement of Kolek and Oso despite they themselves repeatedly saying he was instrumental.
We agree that bringing in a transfer might have possibly helped ... which by definition also means it might have possibly not helped, or even could have hurt.
We also agree that today's game is big for today. Because it's an NCAA Tournament game.
As to what happens today having something to do with the future ... if we win, yes, because we'd get to play again Sunday. That's the only "future" that matters right this second. If we lose, I doubt it will impact the future much if at all.
I fully expect all the potential returnees and incoming freshmen to hit the portal if we lose tonight.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 21, 2025, 06:03:07 PMI fully expect all the potential returnees and incoming freshmen to hit the portal if we lose tonight.
The good news would be that Shaka would forced to finally hit the portal.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 05:13:47 PMI will respond, hope I am wrong. Shaka has done a great job for four years, next year will be interesting if his system works. But if Shaka would have been able to sign a kid here or there, MU would have possibly been better. I will never be happy finishing in the middle of the pack in the Big East. Tonight's game is big to we where MU stands today, and the future.
There were no scholarships available after Clark was signed.
What you non portal people fail to see is by doing nothing to strengthen a perceived weakness there is zero chance of improvement. A portal player may or may not result in improvement but at least it is possible . Feel sorry for Gold, he busts his butt but physically overmatched at the 5
Quote from: drbob on March 21, 2025, 07:47:53 PMWhat you non portal people fail to see is by doing nothing to strengthen a perceived weakness there is zero chance of improvement. A portal player may or may not result in improvement but at least it is possible . Feel sorry for Gold, he busts his butt but physically overmatched at the 5
So you don't think that players can improve from season to season?
Growth and improvement are an actual pillar of the program.
Yes players obviously can improve but it is difficult to overcome
Physical limitations like height and strength. Think another big body would have paid big dividends this year
Quote from: drbob on March 21, 2025, 07:58:43 PMYes players obviously can improve but it is difficult to overcome
Physical limitations like height and strength. Think another big body would have paid big dividends this year
So you said "zero chance of improvement," but then acknowledge that players can improve.
Sound logic. 🙄🙄🙄
Quote from: drbob on March 21, 2025, 07:58:43 PMYes players obviously can improve but it is difficult to overcome
Physical limitations like height and strength. Think another big body would have paid big dividends this year
No scholarships were available after the big body of Josh Clark was signed.
I said you can'timprove a length or strength issue Try reading before you criticize. Watch tonite how we are getting beat on the boards again
So maybe Clark was the wrong signee !!
Quote from: drbob on March 21, 2025, 08:08:57 PMI said you can'timprove a length or strength issue Try reading before you criticize. Watch tonite how we are getting beat on the boards again
You said "zero improvement" from season to season. And now you're talking about tonight.
If you're just emotionally saying whatever enters your mind, just admit it. Otherwise don't pretend you're being logical.
Twist it anyway you want
Quote from: drbob on March 21, 2025, 08:27:43 PMTwist it anyway you want
Just using your words buddy.
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 07, 2025, 12:16:49 PMI like the Shaka 5-point plan. Keep things the way we are an understand you can't please all the people.
[/quote Shaka needs to switch it up. You can't pride yourself in this league keeping the same roster. Have to look for height and depth. We didn't participate last year after losing our two best players and it showed. Kole's was a play maker and Ighadaro had a good inside presence and defense. Find the mid-major stud that wants to play in the bright lights.
Shaka needs to switch it up. You can't pride yourself in this league keeping the same roster. Have to look for height and depth. We didn't participate last year after losing our two best players and it showed. Kole's was a play maker and Ighadaro had a good inside presence and defense. Find the mid-major stud that wants to play in the bright lights.
Quote from: DANDY651 on March 21, 2025, 08:57:21 PMShaka needs to switch it up. You can't pride yourself in this league keeping the same roster. Have to look for height and depth. We didn't participate last year after losing our two best players and it showed. Kole's was a play maker and Ighadaro had a good inside presence and defense. Find the mid-major stud that wants to play in the bright lights.
Truly boggles the mind how short-sighted people like you are.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 21, 2025, 09:11:05 PMTruly boggles the mind how short-sighted people like you are.
Loser mentality
Dailyn Swain in the portal.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 24, 2025, 02:27:41 PMDailyn Swain in the portal.
And probably signed with Texas already.
6'11, 274 pound center and really good on the offensive glass.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1904327889899622733
Quote from: Pakuni on March 24, 2025, 07:27:13 PM6'11, 274 pound center and really good on the offensive glass.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1904327889899622733
Not adding anybody unless somebody unexpected bounces.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 24, 2025, 07:30:38 PMNot adding anybody unless somebody unexpected bounces.
You know this how?
Math
Quote from: Pakuni on March 24, 2025, 07:35:35 PMYou know this how?
Shaka told us all probably 25+ times
Next year will be interesting, because this was the last Covid extra year of eligibility.
It is hard for 18-year-olds to complete strength wise against 24+ year old players.
Quote from: bilsu on March 24, 2025, 08:16:46 PMNext year will be interesting, because this was the last Covid extra year of eligibility.
It is hard for 18-year-olds to complete strength wise against 24+ year old players.
Thank goodness.
14. One opening. Depth chart at least 3 deep at at 4 spots.
Shaka has said he plans on using all 15 scholarships.
Quote from: tower912 on March 24, 2025, 08:32:31 PM14. One opening. Depth chart at least 3 deep at at 4 spots.
So, there's an open scholarship.
I don't think it's a stretch to suggest a player like Dishon Jackson would leap to the top of the depth chart.
Now who's the cockeyed optimist? Good for you.
Quote from: tower912 on March 24, 2025, 08:59:37 PMNow who's the cockeyed optimist? Good for you.
About landing Johnson? Yeah, one would have to be optimist to think that's likely.
About him immediately becoming MU's best post player? One would have to be delusional to think otherwise.
Iowa State owes us a few. Come to the light, Dishon Jackson!
I think we'll add a big, but hard pass on Dishon Jackson. No interest in bigs who cant move. There's a reason Iowa State is looking to upgrade from him.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 24, 2025, 09:39:59 PMI think we'll add a big, but hard pass on Dishon Jackson. No interest in bigs who cant move. There's a reason Iowa State is looking to upgrade from him.
I would not say ISU is looking to upgrade from him. I know an ISU booster, and the continuity of their team was not ideal heading into the NCAA. Arguably their best player, Gilbert, stayed at home in Ames and did not travel with the team with a strained groin for the NCAAs. There has been much speculation on the relationships the team has after they had 7 losses since February after being ranked #2 in AP. He expects more xfers out of ISU.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2025, 09:03:15 AMI would not say ISU is looking to upgrade from him. I know an ISU booster, and the continuity of their team was not ideal heading into the NCAA. Arguably their best player, Gilbert, stayed at home in Ames and did not travel with the team with a strained groin for the NCAAs. There has been much speculation on the relationships the team has after they had 7 losses since February after being ranked #2 in AP. He expects more xfers out of ISU.
Gilbert and his backcourt teammate had a lot of injuries that led to uneven play the past month +. If there are relationship issues, it was kept pretty quiet.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 25, 2025, 09:07:06 AMGilbert and his backcourt teammate had a lot of injuries that led to uneven play the past month +. If there are relationship issues, it was kept pretty quiet.
It was obvious if you follow the team and go look back at Gilbert's media. Smirking when answering questions - his general body language was not good.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2025, 09:29:22 AMIt was obvious if you follow the team and go look back at Gilbert's media. Smirking when answering questions - his general body language was not good.
Weird. When they were winning all we heard is that TJO adds a lot of transfers but that they all "fit the culture." Almost as if winning and strong culture are highly correlated. Losing puts a strain on culture. No way around it.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2025, 09:03:15 AMI would not say ISU is looking to upgrade from him. I know an ISU booster, and the continuity of their team was not ideal heading into the NCAA. Arguably their best player, Gilbert, stayed at home in Ames and did not travel with the team with a strained groin for the NCAAs. There has been much speculation on the relationships the team has after they had 7 losses since February after being ranked #2 in AP. He expects more xfers out of ISU.
It's seeming like Gilbert wasn't out for injury.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 25, 2025, 09:43:03 AMWeird. When they were winning all we heard is that TJO adds a lot of transfers but that they all "fit the culture." Almost as if winning and strong culture are highly correlated. Losing puts a strain on culture. No way around it.
Interesting, isn't it? There is some truth to winning cures all. You can go back in history and find many teams that won championships that just hated each other outside of their time together in competition.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 25, 2025, 09:46:03 AMIt's seeming like Gilbert wasn't out for injury.
It is interesting he gutted through whatever injury he had and then when the Big 12 tournament was over, TJO announced he was done for season and did not want to take any more questions about it. The biggest red flag for me was the fact Gilbert did not even travel with the team to Milwaukee for the 1st and 2nd rounds.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2025, 09:49:14 AMIt is interesting he gutted through whatever injury he had and then when the Big 12 tournament was over, TJO announced he was done for season and did not want to take any more questions about it. The biggest red flag for me was the fact Gilbert did not even travel with the team to Milwaukee for the 1st and 2nd rounds.
He unfollowed the team as well immediately. And the Otz "he's just gotta rest his body" thing was bizarre
Seems like it was a money thing
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 25, 2025, 09:57:04 AMHe unfollowed the team as well immediately. And the Otz "he's just gotta rest his body" thing was bizarre
Seems like it was a money thing
It's also hard for teams to prove tampering.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 25, 2025, 09:43:03 AMWeird. When they were winning all we heard is that TJO adds a lot of transfers but that they all "fit the culture." Almost as if winning and strong culture are highly correlated. Losing puts a strain on culture. No way around it.
Or their culture wasn't strong enough to handle the inevitable ups and downs of a season. Like using cheap materials to build a house........it works fine for a while.....but when storms hit you end up with lots of damage.
A mercenary does not tend to fight as hard as those fighting to protect their own.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 10:11:41 AMIt's also hard for teams to prove tampering.
This is true. Even if they do prove tampering, the NCAA does not enforce it anyway. Or at least I have not seen any enforcement to date.
If Shaka had used the portal and achieved the results he has, I would be supporting his use of the portal. It is a tool. We can argue about whether it is improving the game, but it is the standard right now. So be it.
If Shaka stays out of the portal and remains successful, great. If Shaka uses the portal and remains successful, great. I am not on some kind of crusade. But based on his words and actions, it is my opinion that things remain status quo, barring unexpected departures.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 11:21:05 AMIf Shaka had used the portal and achieved the results he has, I would be supporting his use of the portal. It is a tool. We can argue about whether it is improving the game, but it is the standard right now. So be it.
If Shaka stays out of the portal and remains successful, great. If Shaka uses the portal and remains successful, great. I am not on some kind of crusade. But based on his words and actions, it is my opinion that things remain status quo, barring unexpected departures.
There might be "expected" departures. At least there needs to be. In my opinion...
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 11:21:05 AMIf Shaka had used the portal and achieved the results he has, I would be supporting his use of the portal. It is a tool. We can argue about whether it is improving the game, but it is the standard right now. So be it.
If Shaka stays out of the portal and remains successful, great. If Shaka uses the portal and remains successful, great. I am not on some kind of crusade. But based on his words and actions, it is my opinion that things remain status quo, barring unexpected departures.
And Shaka's success or lack thereof will not be known anytime soon. He's using the HS recruit and develop system (but not ruling out a transfer if need be), and unlike the potential immediate reward of a portal transfer, it may easily take 2-3 or more seasons to know whether or not it works. We
may have to wait until the '26-'27 season (or later) to have some idea of it all. The
Right Now! portal scoopers who vented their rage over this past season and the New Mexico game may want to consider getting used to being disappointed that their measuring bars might not be reached soon.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 25, 2025, 11:55:15 AMAnd Shaka's success or lack thereof will not be known anytime soon. He's using the HS recruit and develop system (but not ruling out a transfer if need be), and unlike the potential immediate reward of a portal transfer, it may easily take 2-3 or more seasons to know whether or not it works. We may have to wait until the '26-'27 season (or later) to have some idea of it all. The Right Now! portal scoopers who vented their rage over this past season and the New Mexico game may want to consider getting used to being disappointed that their measuring bars might not be reached soon.
Yeah i expect next season we're probably closer to Shakas first than season 2 & 3. But the year after I have high hopes for upper class DO & RP as the next era of greats.
The important step is not taking too far a step backwards next year. I can live with a year of a double digit seed as long as we made it and continue to have that winning culture for guys to develop in. None of the 2016 or 2018 Wojo stuff where we win a decent amount with a couple awesome highlights but nothing happens.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 25, 2025, 12:09:34 PMYeah i expect next season we're probably closer to Shakas first than season 2 & 3. But the year after I have high hopes for upper class DO & RP as the next era of greats.
The important step is not taking too far a step backwards next year. I can live with a year of a double digit seed as long as we made it and continue to have that winning culture for guys to develop in. None of the 2016 or 2018 Wojo stuff where we win a decent amount with a couple awesome highlights but nothing happens.
That's the question...hypothetically, could people here deal with missing the tourney next season if ultimately led to a good chance at protected seeds the following two seasons with the core staying and developing.
I could live with that but as we know many here would lose their minds.
That being said, I am expecting another tourney berth next season
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 25, 2025, 12:25:31 PMThat's the question...hypothetically, could people here deal with missing the tourney next season if ultimately led to a good chance at protected seeds the following two seasons with the core staying and developing.
I could live with that but as we know many here have already lost their minds.
That being said, I am expecting another tourney berth next season
FIFY
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 25, 2025, 12:25:31 PMThat being said, I am expecting another tourney berth next season
This.
Obviously still a lot of variables in play, but looking around, I still see 20+ wins a tourney appearance.
Donovan Dent enters the portal.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 25, 2025, 12:25:31 PMThat's the question...hypothetically, could people here deal with missing the tourney next season if ultimately led to a good chance at protected seeds the following two seasons with the core staying and developing.
I could live with that but as we know many here would lose their minds.
That being said, I am expecting another tourney berth next season
Completely missing? I could live with it in hindsight but I'd be pissed at the time. It is important to contextualize what missing looks like. I was patient when we missed in 2016 because we had a vast improvement from 2015. I was patient in 2018 because we barely missed out and we had some great wins along the way with Sam and Markus developing. Meanwhile, I had zero patience in 2021 when we had the talent we had and were nowhere near being in the conversation.
If we miss by a little and Shaka was giving the under classmen a decent run. Ok, bummer let's build I'll wait a year to judge to see if it was worth it. If we miss by a mile and he was doubling down on Tre with Zaide or Chase not stepping up as an alpha? I'll be a lot more upset
Quote from: Dish on March 25, 2025, 12:32:47 PMDonovan Dent enters the portal.
Dang sucks for the Lobos. Coach will probably get snapped up by someone as well.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 25, 2025, 12:33:56 PMCompletely missing? I could live with it in hindsight but I'd be pissed at the time. It is important to contextualize what missing looks like. I was patient when we missed in 2016 because we had a vast improvement from 2015. I was patient in 2018 because we barely missed out and we had some great wins along the way with Sam and Markus developing. Meanwhile, I had zero patience in 2021 when we had the talent we had and were nowhere near being in the conversation.
If we miss by a little and Shaka was giving the under classmen a decent run. Ok, bummer let's build I'll wait a year to judge to see if it was worth it. If we miss by a mile and he was doubling down on Tre with Zaide or Chase not stepping up as an alpha? I'll be a lot more upset
Again, I don't think we miss. But in that hypothetical, I'm envisioning a first-four or next-four out kind of team. I'm not envisioning a scenario where we'd be awful.
And agreed, if missing comes with a big leap from Zaide and really good growth from Owens and Parham that changes how things are looked at.
I'd still be pretty disappointed but that would be lessened if we could see what was likely around the corner.
However, I do think the team needs to stay very healthy next season to have a shot (assuming it's comprised as we currently expect it to be).
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 25, 2025, 12:37:40 PMDang sucks for the Lobos. Coach will probably get snapped up by someone as well.
Going for the money, will look good at St Johns!
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 25, 2025, 12:46:29 PMQuote from: CountryRoads on March 25, 2025, 12:37:40 PMDang sucks for the Lobos. Coach will probably get snapped up by someone as well.
Going for the money, will look good at St Johns!
Or he's following his coach somewhere
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 11:21:05 AMIf Shaka had used the portal and achieved the results he has, I would be supporting his use of the portal. It is a tool. We can argue about whether it is improving the game, but it is the standard right now. So be it.
If Shaka stays out of the portal and remains successful, great. If Shaka uses the portal and remains successful, great. I am not on some kind of crusade. But based on his words and actions, it is my opinion that things remain status quo, barring unexpected departures.
Status Quo Minus, And not acceptable for a big time program
Well dent if you can beat em join em right?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 12:46:56 PMOr he's following his coach somewhere
Doubt it. As a HM AA he will command some serious moolah. Richard may or may not be able to match it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 01:22:51 PMDoubt it. As a HM AA he will command some serious moolah. Richard may or may not be able to match it.
Papa Rick?
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 25, 2025, 01:25:30 PMPapa Rick?
That'd be some low down crap, but yeah, I wouldn't put it past him.
When I stated watching a bunch of Dent highlights and realized that Rick had pretty much gift wrapped Nelly Joseph Jr to little Ricky at New Mexico (didn't need him at StJ with Zuby coming over) my instant thought was "yea Ricky Jr is going to gift wrap this kid as a transfer to StJ and he will get paid and be awesome in the BE next year"
Now Ricky Jr and Donnie Dent are moving along for greener financial pastures.
I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Pitino Sr and the Johnnie's paid him a ton
over 1700 players in the portal on day 1. 291 last year
Quote from: Markusquette on March 25, 2025, 01:45:01 PMover 1700 players in the portal on day 1. 291 last year
Wild West. I think quite of few of the over 1700 players are going to be disappointed.
https://www.on3.com/college/marquette-golden-eagles/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 25, 2025, 01:48:58 PMWild West. I think quite of few of the over 1700 players are going to be disappointed.
5 ish per team.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 01:54:40 PMhttps://www.on3.com/college/marquette-golden-eagles/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/
So... should the transfer portal go to the Superbar?
Quote from: Markusquette on March 25, 2025, 01:45:01 PMover 1700 players in the portal on day 1. 291 last year
The portal also opened a week earlier (before the NIT/NCAA tourney) last year.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 25, 2025, 02:00:48 PMSo... should the transfer portal go to the Superbar?
...but there is no politics there.
https://www.on3.com/db/always-wright-250319/
Didn't know Sultan was transferring from Rhody!
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 02:11:49 PMhttps://www.on3.com/db/always-wright-250319/
Didn't know Sultan was transferring from Rhody!
as is his brother at Valpo, All Wright.
https://valpoathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/all-wright/6977
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 01:54:40 PMhttps://www.on3.com/college/marquette-golden-eagles/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 25, 2025, 01:48:58 PMWild West. I think quite of few of the over 1700 players are going to be disappointed.
Would be interesting to hear how many have agents. Have heard on some talk shows that some kids still in high school are agenting up
Dailyn Swain in the portal...think MU has a strong contender for him coming out of HS. Had an upward trending sophomore season. Wonder if MU has any interest...
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 25, 2025, 04:44:22 PMDailyn Swain in the portal...think MU has a strong contender for him coming out of HS. Had an upward trending sophomore season. Wonder if MU has any interest...
Will he end up at Texas?
Why wouldn't he?
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 05:06:01 PMWhy wouldn't he?
Someone might be Swain him another direction.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 25, 2025, 05:23:29 PMSomeone might be Swain him another direction.
Glorious.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 25, 2025, 05:23:29 PMSomeone might be Swain him another direction.
No I think he's been hooked.
Izzo spends most of his presser railing against the portal. Particularly about it being open while the tournament is still going on.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 06:11:53 PMIzzo spends most of his presser railing against the portal. Particularly about it being open while the tournament is still going on.
He better adapt
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 25, 2025, 05:23:29 PMSomeone might be Swain him another direction.
Dayton!?
Jalen Washington would be perfect for Marquette. A big man with experience who would be a 1 year player. Would give Hamilton and Clark another year to develop. Still would have 3 scholarships to give to the 2026 class.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 25, 2025, 05:23:29 PMSomeone might be Swain him another direction.
tO SUm up, perhaps he wants to play even closer to home?
St. John's gonna end up with Joson Sanon from Arizona State. One of the top transfers in the portal. Also getting a meeting with Hopkins later in the week. They'll have a more talented roster than they had this season.
Sanon
Wilcher
Luis
Hopkins
Ejiofor
potentially as a starting lineup. Hopkins is the question mark at the moment but goodness gracious.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 26, 2025, 12:50:02 AMSt. John's gonna end up with Joson Sanon from Arizona State. One of the top transfers in the portal. Also getting a meeting with Hopkins later in the week. They'll have a more talented roster than they had this season.
Sanon
Wilcher
Luis
Hopkins
Ejiofor
potentially as a starting lineup. Hopkins is the question mark at the moment but goodness gracious.
Richmond was a bigger part of that team than you're giving him credit for.
Also Luis is showing on a decent % of mock drafts that I've seen. No guarantee he's back.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 06:14:43 PMHe better adapt
He took two grad transfers this past year after not taking any transfers the few previous seasons.
Rick wasting zero time getting a former 5 star with 3 years left.
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1904871654120882278
May help him avoid another tournament flameout. A 2 going out in the second round? Unheard of and unacceptable.
Creighton pays the most to Owen Freeman and reloads as well.
Good few days for the Big East.
I saw the Northern AZ big guy who led the country in rebounding hit portal. He would be ideal
Also, the big guy from Oregon St looks like he'd be a great fit as well
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 26, 2025, 07:09:31 AMAlso Luis is showing on a decent % of mock drafts that I've seen. No guarantee he's back.
He was benched by his coach for the last 5 minutes of a one-possession NCAA Tournament game.
Would he really go back to St. John's?
This can't be right.
@Fieldhouse Flyer told me the Big East was going to get raided in the portal. Not take in the biggest guys on the market so far.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 06:11:53 PMIzzo spends most of his presser railing against the portal. Particularly about it being open while the tournament is still going on.
Izzo is an idiot but everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 26, 2025, 09:54:55 AMIzzo is an idiot but everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
You think the portal opening while the NCAAT still has two weeks left is a good thing?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 26, 2025, 08:51:14 AMCreighton pays the most to Owen Freeman and reloads as well.
Good few days for the Big East.
BBQ Chicken.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 26, 2025, 12:50:02 AMSt. John's gonna end up with Joson Sanon from Arizona State. One of the top transfers in the portal. Also getting a meeting with Hopkins later in the week. They'll have a more talented roster than they had this season.
Sanon
Wilcher
Luis
Hopkins
Ejiofor
potentially as a starting lineup. Hopkins is the question mark at the moment but goodness gracious.
Former 5 star recruit, sure. Not a great freshman season by the metrics. Could end up a great player but nothing that says he's an immediate game changer.
Quote from: tower912 on March 26, 2025, 08:36:02 AMMay help him avoid another tournament flameout. A 2 going out in the second round? Unheard of and unacceptable.
...acceptable if +90 regular season wins in 4 yrs, hey?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 26, 2025, 09:33:16 AMThis can't be right.
@Fieldhouse Flyer told me the Big East was going to get raided in the portal. Not take in the biggest guys on the market so far.
no doubt UW-Stout and UW-River Falls are in a $ battle royale for Tre Norman.
Quote from: Viper on March 26, 2025, 11:51:14 AMno doubt UW-Stout and UW-River Falls are in a $ battle royale for Tre Norman.
Serious question: Why rag non-stop on one of our players?
The young man has made a serious commitment to your alma mater, and he has worked his azz off for the basketball program. To the best of all of our knowledge, his only crime has been not performing up to others' expectations.
If you want to criticize the coach for not bringing in better players, it's one thing. Ripping college athletes who are good kids and doing the best they can is pretty low.
Creighton's Pop Isaacs is in the portal.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2025, 01:54:07 PMCreighton's Pop Isaacs is in the portal.
so is Mason Miller. Talk about a guy who lost his shot. 45% from three in 23-24 to 17% this past season (and just 21% FG shooting overall). He made only three 3s during regular season BE play.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 26, 2025, 02:18:22 PMso is Mason Miller. Talk about a guy who lost his shot. 45% from three in 23-24 to 17% this past season (and just 21% FG shooting overall). He made only three 3s during regular season BE play.
Sounds like his name is Mason because he's a brick-layer.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2025, 02:28:37 PMSounds like his name is Mason because he's a brick-layer.
Bravo!
Rumored that Owen Freeman is headed to Creighton.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 26, 2025, 02:18:22 PMso is Mason Miller. Talk about a guy who lost his shot. 45% from three in 23-24 to 17% this past season (and just 21% FG shooting overall). He made only three 3s during regular season BE play.
Sounds like he would've fit on our team this year
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 26, 2025, 04:36:39 PMRumored that Owen Freeman is headed to Creighton.
It's just been confirmed, Owen Freeman is going to Creighton.
Quote from: K1 Lover on March 26, 2025, 07:17:59 PMIt's just been confirmed, Owen Freeman is going to Creighton.
Creighton will be involved in a lot of 82-80 games next season.
Quote from: K1 Lover on March 26, 2025, 07:17:59 PMIt's just been confirmed, Owen Freeman is going to Creighton.
Creighton slowly but surely distancing MU.
Quote from: K1 Lover on March 26, 2025, 07:17:59 PMIt's just been confirmed, Owen Freeman is going to Creighton.
McDermott has found a nice balance in building a roster with HS recruits and filling holes via the Portal.
I had alot of alot of people freaking out about Freeman going to Creighton in my group chat.
And all I have to say is this. 1. Its a good get for creighton and he would start on any Big east team, but also 2. why do we care about what player worse than Kalkbrenner they find to replace Kalkbrenner?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 10:17:23 AMCreighton slowly but surely distancing MU.
Hilarious considering they're losing Kalkbrenner, who is an objectively better player than Freeman.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 10:17:23 AMCreighton slowly but surely distancing MU.
I'm still waiting for you to identify the coach you want to replace Shaka at MU. Complaining through the process but being prepared to jump on the Shaka bandwagon if is successful would seem to be a little weak. You obviously don't believe Shaka is a good coach so you shouldn't be afraid to name your desired replacement.
Is anyone really free, man?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 27, 2025, 10:41:50 AMI'm still waiting for you to identify the coach you want to replace Shaka at MU. Complaining through the process but being prepared to jump on the Shaka bandwagon if is successful would seem to be a little weak. You obviously don't believe Shaka is a good coach so you shouldn't be afraid to name your desired replacement.
And you obviously have no clue
Never said to replace Shaka. But you just did
Shaka needs to adapt or will be left behind by Creighton, St. John's, UConn etc. So sorry you are blind to that
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 11:12:44 AMAnd you obviously have no clue
Never said to replace Shaka. But you just did
Shaka needs to adapt or will be left behind by Creighton, St. John's, UConn etc. So sorry you are blind to that
You can keep saying this, but the reality is that since Shaka arrived at Marquette MU has been an equal program to Creighton, been a far better program than SJU, and has been worse than UCONN. UCONN has been the best program in the country since Shaka has arrived.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 11:12:44 AMAnd you obviously have no clue
Never said to replace Shaka. But you just did
Shaka needs to adapt or will be left behind by Creighton, St. John's, UConn etc. So sorry you are blind to that
UConn needs to adapt. They got passed by Creighton and St John's.
Round of 32 after back-to-back nattys? Massive decline.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 27, 2025, 10:41:50 AMI'm still waiting for you to identify the coach you want to replace Shaka at MU. Complaining through the process but being prepared to jump on the Shaka bandwagon if is successful would seem to be a little weak. You obviously don't believe Shaka is a good coach so you shouldn't be afraid to name your desired replacement.
And you obviously have no clue. Never said to replace him but you did. Nice try to put words in my mouth. Recognize that Shaka needs to adapt.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 11:12:44 AMAnd you obviously have no clue
Never said to replace Shaka. But you just did
Shaka needs to adapt or will be left behind by Creighton, St. John's, UConn etc. So sorry you are blind to that
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 11:23:01 AMAnd you obviously have no clue. Never said to replace him but you did. Nice try to put words in my mouth. Recognize that Shaka needs to adapt.
That's weak. You say he's not doing it the right way so, if he fails, you can dance around and say I told you so. If he's successful, you can dance around and say I supported Shaka all along.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 27, 2025, 10:22:25 AMMcDermott has found a nice balance in building a roster with HS recruits and filling holes via the Portal.
And he lost Pop Isaacs. So a net wash.
Al Amadou transferring.
2 open scholarships now.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 27, 2025, 12:05:59 PMAl Amadou transferring.
2 open scholarships now.
Oh? Where are you seeing that?
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 27, 2025, 12:08:18 PMOh? Where are you seeing that?
https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1905303186765656511
https://x.com/CollegeFBPortal/status/1905288070985118073?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://x.com/CBBcontent/status/1905291976502657370?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Sounds like Dent to UCLA.
Terrence Brown to PC or SH makes some sense based on the state of their programs.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 27, 2025, 12:12:37 PMTerrence Brown to PC or SH makes some sense based on the state of their programs.
New Jersey and Rhode Island.
You're welcome!
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 27, 2025, 12:10:45 PMhttps://x.com/CollegeFBPortal/status/1905288070985118073?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://x.com/CBBcontent/status/1905291976502657370?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Sounds like Dent to UCLA.
Sounds like it's going to be a tougher start for Xavier next year.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 27, 2025, 12:45:38 PMSounds like it's going to be a tougher start for Xavier next year.
Looks like Fieldhouse Farter was right
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 27, 2025, 12:10:45 PMhttps://x.com/CollegeFBPortal/status/1905288070985118073?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://x.com/CBBcontent/status/1905291976502657370?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Sounds like Dent to UCLA.
I guess Mick Cronin is definitely out of the running for Villanova.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 27, 2025, 10:31:43 AMHilarious considering they're losing Kalkbrenner, who is an objectively better player than Freeman.
Yeah, I'd say Creighton distancing MU is a stretch, but Freeman is almost certainly a better replacement for Kalkbrenner than any of the internal candidates. In which case, Creighton's 2025-26 roster is better today than it was yesterday.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 27, 2025, 11:54:39 AMAnd he lost Pop Isaacs. So a net wash.
perusing the Creighton board it sounds like addition by subtraction
With Amadou out, are there any players in the portal that were Shaka recruits that we'd want or think we have a chance at?
Heard one talking head sports show guy today state that all 16 teams still left in the dance have paortal guys on the team, with the average over 2 getting significant minutes. Guess that is one way to build a competent roster. Shaka, are you hearing any of this?
Can we hand Magoon Gwath a bag? Seems perfect for our needs.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 01:47:24 PMHeard one talking head sports show guy today state that all 16 teams still left in the dance have paortal guys on the team, with the average over 2 getting significant minutes. Guess that is one way to build a competent roster. Shaka, are you hearing any of this?
No. He lost his ears as a child
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 01:47:24 PMHeard one talking head sports show guy today state that all 16 teams still left in the dance have paortal guys on the team, with the average over 2 getting significant minutes. Guess that is one way to build a competent roster. Shaka, are you hearing any of this?
Give him a ring. 414-288-7130
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/shaka-smart/1956
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 01:49:56 PMGive him a ring. 414-288-7130
(Sound of a phone ringing, then a click as it's answered)
Shaka Smart: Hello? This is Shaka.
Voice (Warm, slightly raspy): Coach Smart? It's, uh, it's a friend. A concerned friend.
Shaka Smart: I don't recognize the voice. Who is this?
Voice: Doesn't matter, Coach. What matters is the future of Marquette basketball. You've built something special, a real foundation. But, you know, foundations can always use a little...reinforcement.
Shaka Smart: I'm not sure I follow.
Voice: The transfer portal, Shaka. The sacred portal. It's a garden of opportunity. A veritable smorgasbord of talent. Think of it. A seasoned veteran, a sharpshooter, a defensive stalwart, all just a few clicks away.
Shaka Smart: We value developing our players. We build from within.
Voice: Of course, you do, Coach. And admirable it is. But the landscape has changed. The game has evolved. It's a jungle out there. Everyone's poaching, everyone's grabbing. And you, Shaka, you're building a beautiful, intricate sandcastle while the tide's coming in.
Shaka Smart: I understand the challenges, but...
Voice: Challenges? Opportunities, Coach! Think of the strategic advantage. Plug a gap instantly. Add experience, depth, a touch of...spice. The portal isn't a shortcut; it's a high-speed lane on the highway to the Final Four.
Shaka Smart: We have a strong recruiting class coming in.
Voice: And they'll be fantastic. But time is a cruel mistress. You need players ready now. Players who've seen the battles, felt the pressure. Think of the mentorship, the leadership they can provide. Imagine, Shaka, imagine a team with that extra edge, that added experience, that...je ne sais quoi.
Shaka Smart: I appreciate your...enthusiasm. But we have a plan.
Voice: Plans change, Coach. Adapt. Evolve. Embrace the chaos. It's not about abandoning your principles; it's about maximizing your potential. The portal is a tool, a powerful tool. Use it wisely. Use it strategically. Use it...Shaka.
Shaka Smart: (Sighs) I'll...consider it. Thank you.
Voice: That's all I ask, Coach. Just consider. The future of Marquette basketball may depend on it. (A faint, almost imperceptible chuckle) Now, if you'll excuse me, I have another call to make. (Click. The line goes dead.)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 27, 2025, 01:54:58 PM(Sound of a phone ringing, then a click as it's answered)
Shaka Smart: Hello? This is Shaka.
Voice (Warm, slightly raspy): Coach Smart? It's, uh, it's a friend. A concerned friend.
Shaka Smart: I don't recognize the voice. Who is this?
Voice: Doesn't matter, Coach. What matters is the future of Marquette basketball. You've built something special, a real foundation. But, you know, foundations can always use a little...reinforcement.
Shaka Smart: I'm not sure I follow.
Voice: The transfer portal, Shaka. The sacred portal. It's a garden of opportunity. A veritable smorgasbord of talent. Think of it. A seasoned veteran, a sharpshooter, a defensive stalwart, all just a few clicks away.
Shaka Smart: We value developing our players. We build from within.
Voice: Of course, you do, Coach. And admirable it is. But the landscape has changed. The game has evolved. It's a jungle out there. Everyone's poaching, everyone's grabbing. And you, Shaka, you're building a beautiful, intricate sandcastle while the tide's coming in.
Shaka Smart: I understand the challenges, but...
Voice: Challenges? Opportunities, Coach! Think of the strategic advantage. Plug a gap instantly. Add experience, depth, a touch of...spice. The portal isn't a shortcut; it's a high-speed lane on the highway to the Final Four.
Shaka Smart: We have a strong recruiting class coming in.
Voice: And they'll be fantastic. But time is a cruel mistress. You need players ready now. Players who've seen the battles, felt the pressure. Think of the mentorship, the leadership they can provide. Imagine, Shaka, imagine a team with that extra edge, that added experience, that...je ne sais quoi.
Shaka Smart: I appreciate your...enthusiasm. But we have a plan.
Voice: Plans change, Coach. Adapt. Evolve. Embrace the chaos. It's not about abandoning your principles; it's about maximizing your potential. The portal is a tool, a powerful tool. Use it wisely. Use it strategically. Use it...Shaka.
Shaka Smart: (Sighs) I'll...consider it. Thank you.
Voice: That's all I ask, Coach. Just consider. The future of Marquette basketball may depend on it. (A faint, almost imperceptible chuckle) Now, if you'll excuse me, I have another call to make. (Click. The line goes dead.)
You forgot we are trending down and Creighton, SJU, and UCONN are separating themselves from us.
But, well done.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 01:58:41 PMYou forgot we are trending down and Creighton, SJU, and UCONN are separating themselves from us.
But, well done.
Lacks human orifice references as well
Hmmmm....very good satire. Somehow I suspect this to be a jab at some who feel the portal should be used by Shaka, and not just to shitcan players...or is it a jab at Shaka? Or a jab at both camps? Pray do tell.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 02:01:32 PMHmmmm....very good satire.
Gemini: transcript of a fictional call to shaka smart encouraging him to use the transfer portal
I thought it did a fantastic job guessing the words on both sides.
(https://media.tenor.com/3HYwal_nHtwAAAAM/dead-my-honest-reaction.gif)
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 01:49:56 PMGive him a ring. 414-288-7130
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/shaka-smart/1956
I would rather see him get an NCAA championship ring. But since you have all the answers and his number, you give him a ring with your sound advice. Probably something like "Damn the portal, full speed ahead."
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 02:11:37 PMI would rather see him get an NCAA championship ring. But since you have all the answers and his number, you give him a ring with your sound advice. Probably something like "Damn the portal, full speed ahead."
I am not the one asking Shaka if he is listening to the radio. You wanted to know that information. You can inform him. Why wouldn't you want to help him in getting that NCAA championship ring, since you seem to think that's the answer?
Isiah Abraham to the portal.
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1905339816578809961
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2025, 02:46:30 PMIsiah Abraham to the portal.
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1905339816578809961
This is one that feels possible
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 02:50:18 PMThis is one that feels possible
Dad played at Marquette. I believe we were the runner-up to UConn. Would definitely fall into the "relationships" category.
Is there a spot for him though? I assume Parham and Owens would already be ahead of him in his class.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 02:50:18 PMThis is one that feels possible
Reminds me of owens a bit, lots of upside but raw as hell
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 02:50:18 PMThis is one that feels possible
Not sure where he would fit.
With Ross, Lowery, Owens, Miletic, Stevens and Phillips, the team already goes three deep at the 2 and 3 spots.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2025, 02:51:33 PMDad played at Marquette. I believe we were the runner-up to UConn. Would definitely fall into the "relationships" category.
Is there a spot for him though? I assume Parham and Owens would already be ahead of him.
15 spots
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 03:03:02 PM15 spots
I mean more so in terms of playing time than scholarships.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 03:03:02 PM15 spots
Yup. And could see him being able to play up a position. Not that he will be Jae Crowder or Lazar Hayward, but similar to that.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2025, 03:04:14 PMI mean more so in terms of playing time than scholarships.
We don't do bigs
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 03:14:48 PMYup. And could see him being able to play up a position. Not that he will be Jae Crowder or Lazar Hayward, but similar to that.
Interesting... I did not consider him playing up a position.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2025, 03:24:39 PMInteresting... I did not consider him playing up a position.
He's listed at 205, so I dunno if that tracks.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 11:17:14 AMYou can keep saying this, but the reality is that since Shaka arrived at Marquette MU has been an equal program to Creighton, been a far better program than SJU, and has been worse than UCONN. UCONN has been the best program in the country since Shaka has arrived.
Not this year bud. And not next year. Now that is the real reality. Not the past.
Adapt or get further behind. That is the hill you seem to want to try to take. Maybe another year of middle of the pack will change your mind.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 03:35:20 PMNot this year bud. And not next year. Now that is the real reality. Not the past.
Adapt or get further behind. That is the hill you seem to want to try to take. Maybe another year of middle of the pack will change your mind.
We got a higher seed than both UCONN and Creighton this year bud.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 02:01:21 PMLacks human orifice references as well
Also forgot to call him Shaka-Wojo-Dukiet-Winter.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 01:47:24 PMHeard one talking head sports show guy today state that all 16 teams still left in the dance have paortal guys on the team
You either didn't hear this or are listening to someone who is misinformed
Feel our program is strong yet but for the first time in a few years not as certain about our our roster and win anyway philosophy. Even after losing Oso and Tyler felt program was strong enough to overcome. Feel it is strong enough to over come yet but not as certain. Feel Losing Al and not getting Freeman does not help. But trusting The Program and Shaka since they got us to the Big Dance for four years in a row.
One of my AAU players has entered the portal (second time... did 2 years ago as well).
Let's talk po$$ibikities, schools!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 27, 2025, 09:07:35 PMYou either didn't hear this or are listening to someone who is misinformed
It's Willie. That's all you need to know really.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2025, 02:51:33 PMDad played at Marquette. I believe we were the runner-up to UConn. Would definitely fall into the "relationships" category.
Is there a spot for him though? I assume Parham and Owens would already be ahead of him in his class.
What does his class have to do with anything? They play different positions. Those 3 could all easily fit on the floor together.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 03:02:11 PMNot sure where he would fit.
With Ross, Lowery, Owens, Miletic, Stevens and Phillips, the team already goes three deep at the 2 and 3 spots.
He's definitely not a 2 and wouldn't have to be a 3.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 27, 2025, 09:26:45 PMWhat does his class have to do with anything? They play different positions. Those 3 could all easily fit on the floor together.
He's definitely not a 2 and wouldn't have to be a 3.
In your first quote you say Abraham, Owens (a three, who could possibly play two in an emergency) and Parham (a four) play different positions. In the next, you say Abraham definitely isn't a 2.
So, you got him running the point or in the post?
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 27, 2025, 09:19:49 PMFeel our program is strong yet but for the first time in a few years not as certain about our our roster and win anyway philosophy. Even after losing Oso and Tyler felt program was strong enough to overcome. Feel it is strong enough to over come yet but not as certain. Feel Losing Al and not getting Freeman does not help. But trusting The Program and Shaka since they got us to the Big Dance for four years in a row.
Al was a great athlete with no basketball skills, no loss, a positive for opening up another scholarship
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 27, 2025, 09:26:45 PMWhat does his class have to do with anything? They play different positions. Those 3 could all easily fit on the floor together.
I was considering Royce a 4, Owens a 3, and Abraham a 3 or 4.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 09:34:39 PMIn your first quote you say Abraham, Owens (a three, who could possibly play two in an emergency) and Parham (a four) play different positions. In the next, you say Abraham definitely isn't a 2.
So, you got him running the point or in the post?
You have thousands and thousands of posts on this forum so I expect you follow the team closely enough to know Shaka and the staff think Owens can be a PG.
Abrahams is a 6'7 200+lb forward, he's a 3 or a 4, not even remotely a 2, I think most would agree with that.
Like I said earlier, you could easily see these three on the floor together at the same time. Whether it's DO at 1/2 plus Royce and Abraham exchanging at 3/4
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2025, 10:08:18 PMI was considering Royce a 4, Owens a 3, and Abraham a 3 or 4.
Fair, I think DO is more versatile but I get it. I think shaka would love the size and versatility of all three playing together.
Carey Booth from Illinois is in the transfer portal. He was a former four-star star recruit and was ranked #82 overall in the 2023 class.
Ryan Conwell from X is in the Portal. He and his 41% from three would look good Championship Blue:
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1905615407911715131
You are thinking UNC?
Quote from: tower912 on March 28, 2025, 08:48:02 AMYou are thinking UNC?
Yeah, what good would a 41% three-point shooter do for us when we could take a high school big man project with the upside of Dwight Burke instead?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 09:11:59 AMYeah, what good would a 41% three-point shooter do for us when we could take a high school big man project with the upside of Dwight Burke instead?
Do those two players cost the same?
are we going to brag about how much money we can give a guy, or say we can't afford to get a guy?
Quote from: avid1010 on March 28, 2025, 09:20:01 AMDo those two players cost the same?
So we're going to become the Kansas City Royals and Pittsburgh Pirates of CBB?
I support Shaka's emphasis on recruiting high school kids and developing them, but if you have a chance to get a proven performer to fill a hole, you do it. 11 of Michigan State's 13 players were recruited out of high school, but Izzo went out and got two grad transfers to fill holes in the roster, and they're in the Sweet 16.
Shaka has pursued targets in the portal every year he has been here, I expect this year to be no different. The staff has always played their cards close to the vest regarding all recruiting, I expect this year to be no different.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 09:42:17 AMSo we're going to become the Kansas City Royals and Pittsburgh Pirates of CBB?
I would take a championship like the Royals have. I think that's kind of exactly the path Shaka is taking. I'd throw in the Brewers as well.
We are a small Jesuit school with passionate alums and we do invest in basketball. However, we are not going to have the resources to outbid the top spenders or even the next rung.
However, Shaka has found a way in the chaos to have a team that gets old and hopefully stays old. It might work, or it might not. Just like depending on the portal annually may or may not work.
From where we were when he started to now, I am excited to see where he takes us.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 28, 2025, 09:50:45 AMI would take a championship like the Royals have. I think that's kind of exactly the path Shaka is taking. I'd throw in the Brewers as well.
We are a small Jesuit school with passionate alums and we do invest in basketball. However, we are not going to have the resources to outbid the top spenders or even the next rung.
However, Shaka has found a way in the chaos to have a team that gets old and hopefully stays old. It might work, or it might not. Just like depending on the portal annually may or may not work.
From where we were when he started to now, I am excited to see where he takes us.
We draw over 16k fans game playing in an NBA arena, pay our coach over $2 million a year, and are among the top spenders in all of college hoops. We have deep pocketed alums too. We aren't Loyola Marymount or Holy Cross.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 10:01:49 AMWe draw over 16k fans game playing in an NBA arena, pay our coach over $2 million a year, and are among the top spenders in all of college hoops. We have deep pocketed alums too. We aren't Loyola Marymount or Holy Cross.
A lot of the spending has to do with renting that arena. So, we are already spending a lot of money and are relying heavily on those alums to reach the level we are at. Are the resources beyond that consistently over time enough to bump the program up a level using,for example,the portal to a great degree?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 09:11:59 AMYeah, what good would a 41% three-point shooter do for us when we could take a high school big man project with the upside of Dwight Burke instead?
Facts
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 10:01:49 AMWe draw over 16k fans game playing in an NBA arena, pay our coach over $2 million a year, and are among the top spenders in all of college hoops. We have deep pocketed alums too. We aren't Loyola Marymount or Holy Cross.
But we're also not Florida or Kentucky.
#muMbb... where shooters go to see their 3fg% massively decline
#COLE
Shooters shoot. #muMbb shooters shoot & miss. :(((
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:12:19 AMBut we're also not Florida or Kentucky.
Right. It'll be a struggle to match the big state/football schools when it comes to resources.
But we ought to be competitive with the Creightons and Gonzagas of the world. If they can land players like Owen Freeman, Baylor Scheiermann, Khaliff Battle and Ryan Nembhard, Marquette should be able to compete in that same space.
I'm not saying MU
has to go out and land players like that. But lack of resources shouldn't be the reason not to.
Does St. John's have more money than us or is it the pitinio charm? They pulled that former 5 star recruit from ASU pretty quick: you'd think a big school would offer a pile of money for that kid
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 10:38:14 AMDoes St. John's have more money than us or is it the pitinio charm? They pulled that former 5 star recruit from ASU pretty quick: you'd think a big school would offer a pile of money for that kid
They have a ton of money.
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/03/14/inside-the-billionaire-nil-donor-behind-st-johns-basketball-success/
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 28, 2025, 09:50:45 AMShaka has found a way in the chaos to have a team that gets old and hopefully stays old. It might work, or it might not. Just like depending on the portal annually may or may not work.
From where we were when he started to now, I am excited to see where he takes us.
This is where I am, but
it will take time to tell if Shaka's system will work...as in easily two more seasons.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 10:38:14 AMDoes St. John's have more money than us or is it the pitinio charm? They pulled that former 5 star recruit from ASU pretty quick: you'd think a big school would offer a pile of money for that kid
They have this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Repole) underwriting their NIL program.
Marquette doesn't have someone like that. And even if they did, and unless it was the ONLY thing they wanted to support, the University would likely want them to support something else.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:40:45 AMThey have this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Repole) underwriting their NIL program.
Marquette doesn't have someone like that. And even if they did, and unless it was the ONLY thing they wanted to support, the University would likely want them to support something else.
Mike Repole. Nice to have a billionaire in your pocket.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 10:39:49 AMThey have a ton of money.
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/03/14/inside-the-billionaire-nil-donor-behind-st-johns-basketball-success/
lol....
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:40:45 AMThey have this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Repole) underwriting their NIL program.
Marquette doesn't have someone like that. And even if they did, and unless it was the ONLY thing they wanted to support, the University would likely want them to support something else.
That is the most St. Johns guy to ever St. Johns. It'd be like if the pope required all Catholic churches to serve brats after mass and a Marquette grad founded a brewery solely for the purpose of brewing the beer in which those brats were boiled, and then that beer was transubstantiated into the blood of Christ at mass.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:40:45 AMThey have this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Repole) underwriting their NIL program.
Marquette doesn't have someone like that. And even if they did, and unless it was the ONLY thing they wanted to support, the University would likely want them to support something else.
Marcus Lemonis, eh?
Which players in the portal should MU realistically sign? Most of the justification for using the portal is to get better players. Which ones?
BTW, Purdue is in the Sweet 16. Did they rely on the portal to get there? I see there starters all were Purdue signees originally.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 10:48:26 AMMarcus Lemonis, eh?
He's worth about $500M, but I don't think he really is a sports guy.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 28, 2025, 11:01:39 AMWhich players in the portal should MU realistically sign? Most of the justification for using the portal is to get better players. Which ones?
BTW, Purdue is in the Sweet 16. Did they relied on the portal to get there? I see there starters all were Purdue signees originally.
You will never get an honest answer for this one. The folks demanding portal action are the same that can't be bothered to sift through the portal for guys who fit Marquette's needs. Culture, financials, minutes available... they're nothing to the cry babies.
Just go out and get those unicorns!
Quote from: Bahama on March 28, 2025, 11:04:37 AMHe's worth about $500M, but I don't think he really is a sports guy.
Yeah, that's what I was referring to. He's more interested in buildings than basketballs.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 08:47:11 AMRyan Conwell from X is in the Portal. He and his 41% from three would look good Championship Blue:
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1905615407911715131
He'd look good in literally any uniform color in the country.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 28, 2025, 11:10:09 AMHe'd look good in literally any uniform color in the country.
Burnt Orange in particular
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 28, 2025, 11:01:39 AMWhich players in the portal should MU realistically sign? Most of the justification for using the portal is to get better players. Which ones?
If Shaka called me and I got to choose, I'd take the big guy from Northern Arizona
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:40:45 AMThey have this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Repole) underwriting their NIL program.
Marquette doesn't have someone like that. And even if they did, and unless it was the ONLY thing they wanted to support, the University would likely want them to support something else.
Which is why Shaka is not going to the portal because he knows the money is not there and if it was Marquette would want the money spent elsewhere and not support our D1 basketball team.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:12:19 AMBut we're also not Florida or Kentucky.
...do not have to be, imo. I'm a circular reel on this, but think BIG. Overcome the obstacles to getting the best talent. Adapt. Adjust. Two, three project players is crazy to me. Tre, Keeyan, Al, Caedin ...come on. Do not accept 'can't do'. Shaka better than Woj, for sure. But, it gets old watching other teams play 2nd weekend...yet again. Since Buzz' Elite 8 our high water mark is a single S16. Unacceptable for a program such as Marquette. That 2022-23 BE and BE tourney win was fools gold. So many here are satisfied with that. The reply is always that Shaka gets it. In Shaka we trust. Those 2-seeds. Great. Resulted in what? MU pays a HC a lot of money to be better than what we've been. We allocate enough $ to facilities and recruiting to be better than we've been. We are hoping guys pan out. That's not a plan. HS recruits. Transfers. There is soooo much in-state talent not giving MU a sniff. Why? Talent that is helluva lot better than what's on our current roster. Duke comes here and pillages. Iowa St too! If Shaka doesn't want to go the hard route to win, then move on from Shaka. He's not the only guy out there. Whatever it takes to win ncaat games(S). Why is this approach so difficult to accept for so many Scoopers? Or, be happy with hope we win and be done with it. Thx for the vine.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 09:42:17 AMI support Shaka's emphasis on recruiting high school kids and developing them, but if you have a chance to get a proven performer to fill a hole, you do it. 11 of Michigan State's 13 players were recruited out of high school, but Izzo went out and got two grad transfers to fill holes in the roster, and they're in the Sweet 16.
This is reasonable.
We don't know the financials when it comes to what is available in NIL, nor are we fans involved in whatever interviews and research that Shaka conducts to determine if a player is the right fit.
But it seems reasonable to believe that Marquette could get a player or two from the portal who would fill needs in our rotation without damaging Shaka's basic recruit/develop/retain philosophy.
Bring the Gus Bus home.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 28, 2025, 11:35:58 AMWhich is why Shaka is not going to the portal because he knows the money is not there and if it was Marquette would want the money spent elsewhere and not support our D1 basketball team.
So we're piss broke and can never afford a decent transfer? Jee that sucks gonna be a long road hoping are fringe top 100 guys always get good and stick around
Quote from: tower912 on March 28, 2025, 11:44:52 AMBring the Gus Bus home.
He was particularly brutal when I saw him on the court this year but he was a 247 4*
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 11:47:48 AMSo we're piss broke and can never afford a decent transfer? Jee that sucks gonna be a long road hoping are fringe top 100 guys always get good and stick around
We're not broke.
Quote from: Viper on March 28, 2025, 11:40:25 AM...do not have to be, imo. I'm a circular reel on this, but think BIG. Overcome the obstacles to getting the best talent. Adapt. Adjust. Two, three project players is crazy to me. Tre, Keeyan, Al, Caedin ...come on. Do not accept 'can't do'. Shaka better than Woj, for sure. But, it gets old watching other teams play 2nd weekend...yet again. Since Buzz' Elite 8 our high water mark is a single S16. Unacceptable for a program such as Marquette. That 2022-23 BE and BE tourney win was fools gold. So many here are satisfied with that. The reply is always that Shaka gets it. In Shaka we trust. Those 2-seeds. Great. Resulted in what? MU pays a HC a lot of money to be better than what we've been. We allocate enough $ to facilities and recruiting to be better than we've been. We are hoping guys pan out. That's not a plan. HS recruits. Transfers. There is soooo much in-state talent not giving MU a sniff. Why? Talent that is helluva lot better than what's on our current roster. Duke comes here and pillages. Iowa St too! If Shaka doesn't want to go the hard route to win, then move on from Shaka. He's not the only guy out there. Whatever it takes to win ncaat games(S). Why is this approach so difficult to accept for so many Scoopers? Or, be happy with hope we win and be done with it. Thx for the vine.
You seem like a very unhappy person.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 28, 2025, 11:35:58 AMWhich is why Shaka is not going to the portal because he knows the money is not there and if it was Marquette would want the money spent elsewhere and not support our D1 basketball team.
This is laughably false.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 12:00:53 PMYou read that?
I skimmed it. Looked like he was just playing the hits. Though, I saw no mention of RED.
Anyone else here find it strange that ideal portal transfers for Marquette discussed here are assumed to be stars from high major teams? Is it not possible that a talented, proven senior big from a mid-major just might be the type of player who would buy into Shaka's culture and "improve the team" next season?
Shaka was fairly successful when he took on a transfer from a mid-major, seeing the PG potential in the guy.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 12:00:11 PMThis is laughably false.
Correct. There is money in the collective. Not SJU money, but there are a few shekels to spread around.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 11:49:25 AMYou seem like a very unhappy person.
I'm a lark. And love winning. Sorry it came off as dour.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 28, 2025, 12:21:43 PMAnyone else here find it strange that ideal portal transfers for Marquette discussed here are assumed to be stars from high major teams? Is it not possible that a talented, proven senior big from a mid-major just might be the type of player who would buy into Shaka's culture and "improve the team" next season?
Shaka was fairly successful when he took on a transfer from a mid-major, seeing the PG potential in the guy.
Not really strange since we are more familiar with the higher profile players from seeing them play multiple times. I do agree with the idea that a high performer at a lower level school is much more likely to land here than a high performer from a high level school.
Can "piss broke" afford "a high performer at a lower level school?" Asking for a friend...
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 28, 2025, 12:41:58 PMCan "piss broke" afford "a high performer at a lower level school?" Asking for a friend...
You don't have any here. Probably anywhere.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 11:05:44 AMYou will never get an honest answer for this one. The folks demanding portal action are the same that can't be bothered to sift through the portal for guys who fit Marquette's needs. Culture, financials, minutes available... they're nothing to the cry babies.
Just go out and get those unicorns!
Obviously Conwell is a reach, like when I applied to Duke. How about Max McKinnon, a 6-6 scoring combo from Portland who averaged 14.5 ppg game last year and was CAA freshman of the year at Elon? Or Christof Tilly, a 7-0 240 big from Santa Clara? An all-name team guy, All Wright from Valpo, a 6-3 PG who was MVC freshman of the year, averaging 15.5 ppg and shot 38% from three? There are a couple who A) would probably not cost a lot in NIL, and B) fit positions of need.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 01:11:28 PMObviously Conwell is a reach, like when I applied to Duke. How about Max McKinnon, a 6-6 scoring combo from Portland who averaged 14.5 ppg game last year and was CAA freshman of the year at Elon? Or Christof Tilly, a 7-0 240 big from Santa Clara? An all-name team guy, All Wright from Valpo, a 6-3 PG who was MVC freshman of the year, averaging 15.5 ppg and shot 38% from three? There are a couple who A) would probably not cost a lot in NIL, and B) fit positions of need.
Agree that maybe adding a player or two from a mid-major could work nicely.
Broome (Morehead State), Scheierman (South Dakota State), Conwell (Indiana State), our own Rowsey (UNC-Asheville) ... I mean, there are dozens of guys who have gone that route and done well at this level.
Obviously, there also are chances for major misses. Hello, Joe Chartouny. But it's still definitely worth looking ... and I trust that Shaka is doing just that.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 01:11:28 PMObviously Conwell is a reach, like when I applied to Duke. How about Max McKinnon, a 6-6 scoring combo from Portland who averaged 14.5 ppg game last year and was CAA freshman of the year at Elon? Or Christof Tilly, a 7-0 240 big from Santa Clara? An all-name team guy, All Wright from Valpo, a 6-3 PG who was MVC freshman of the year, averaging 15.5 ppg and shot 38% from three? There are a couple who A) would probably not cost a lot in NIL, and B) fit positions of need.
While were compiling a wish list, how about this guy from just across town who ranked 7th in NCAA in rebounding this year as a junior?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5241667/jamichael-stillwell (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5241667/jamichael-stillwell)
Edit: I have no idea if he is in the portal or not.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 01:11:28 PMObviously Conwell is a reach, like when I applied to Duke. How about Max McKinnon, a 6-6 scoring combo from Portland who averaged 14.5 ppg game last year and was CAA freshman of the year at Elon? Or Christof Tilly, a 7-0 240 big from Santa Clara? An all-name team guy, All Wright from Valpo, a 6-3 PG who was MVC freshman of the year, averaging 15.5 ppg and shot 38% from three? There are a couple who A) would probably not cost a lot in NIL, and B) fit positions of need.
I think All Wright is already down to 3-4 teams
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 11:49:25 AMYou seem like a very unhappy person.
And completely uninformed and irrational.
https://247sports.com/player/luke-jacobson-46153128/college-323817/
Was he on a scholarship? Just entered portal.
Quote from: nyg on March 28, 2025, 02:06:54 PMhttps://247sports.com/player/luke-jacobson-46153128/college-323817/
Was he on a scholarship? Just entered portal.
He was not on scholarship, and with no walk-ons likely next year, he is likely looking at transfering down to 2 or 3 I would imagine.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 09:42:17 AMI support Shaka's emphasis on recruiting high school kids and developing them, but if you have a chance to get a proven performer to fill a hole, you do it. 11 of Michigan State's 13 players were recruited out of high school, but Izzo went out and got two grad transfers to fill holes in the roster, and they're in the Sweet 16.
I 100% concur.
Shaka has said before that whenever he loses (specifically in the NCAA tournament, I think), he talks to the other coach and asks them what they do culturally that makes them successful. Izzo previously told him in 2023 that he does 1:1s with each of his players, which is why Shaka has been doing the same ever since.
A part of me wishes we could've beaten New Mexico so that, if we lost to Michigan State, Izzo could've at least told him the quote above.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 11:47:48 AMSo we're piss broke and can never afford a decent transfer? Jee that sucks gonna be a long road hoping are fringe top 100 guys always get good and stick around
My guess is Marquette determined they can't compete in the free agent market and thats why Shaka runs with the philosophy he does. We know he pulled transfers for Marquette for 2 years, including 1 year rental players.
Did he do similar at Texas?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 28, 2025, 01:34:18 PMWhile were compiling a wish list, how about this guy from just across town who ranked 7th in NCAA in rebounding this year as a junior?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5241667/jamichael-stillwell (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5241667/jamichael-stillwell)
Edit: I have no idea if he is in the portal or not.
"Rebounding Machine" Jamichael Stillwell
is in the portal.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uwm/2025/03/11/uwm-rebounding-machine-jamichael-stillwell-is-entering-transfer-portal/82271835007/
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 28, 2025, 03:32:19 PM"Rebounding Machine" Jamichael Stillwell is in the portal.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uwm/2025/03/11/uwm-rebounding-machine-jamichael-stillwell-is-entering-transfer-portal/82271835007/
Could add toughness and might be just what the doctor ordered for our rebounding.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 28, 2025, 03:32:19 PM"Rebounding Machine" Jamichael Stillwell is in the portal.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uwm/2025/03/11/uwm-rebounding-machine-jamichael-stillwell-is-entering-transfer-portal/82271835007/
He looks closer to 6'6" to me.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 28, 2025, 03:32:19 PM"Rebounding Machine" Jamichael Stillwell is in the portal.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uwm/2025/03/11/uwm-rebounding-machine-jamichael-stillwell-is-entering-transfer-portal/82271835007/
In all honesty, JUCO to UWM would make it difficult for him to be eligible at MU under PTD rules
Morez Johnson in the portal. Yes please.
I automatically assume anyone coming from or considering Illinois is just looking for a bag. Would hope to be wrong though.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on March 28, 2025, 04:24:47 PMMorez Johnson in the portal. Yes please.
Where is JayBee when you need him.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 28, 2025, 12:53:40 PMYou don't have any here. Probably anywhere.
You are so cool, how can I be your friend?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 02:10:24 PMHe was not on scholarship, and with no walk-ons likely next year, he is likely looking at transfering down to 2 or 3 I would imagine.
Why no walk ons next year? Must have missed a change. Thanks for the info.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 28, 2025, 04:41:22 PMWhy no walk ons next year? Must have missed a change. Thanks for the info.
There will be 15 scholarships available so there isn't really any reason to carry walk ons.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 28, 2025, 04:40:41 PMYou are so cool, how can I be your friend?
How much $ you got?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 04:43:03 PMThere will be 15 scholarships available so there isn't really any reason to carry walk ons.
Not only that, but cannot carry walk ons. Teams can use (but don't have to) 15 scholarships, but any rostered player has to be receiving a full scholarship.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 28, 2025, 04:46:33 PMNot only that, but cannot carry walk ons. Teams can use (but don't have to) 15 scholarships, but any rostered player has to be receiving a full scholarship.
Not accurate. All sports will now be classified as equivalency sports, allowing schools to offer partial scholarships to players on the team, or no scholarships. Institutional aid will be able to offset athletic aid now as well. Teams can still carry walkons but not as many as before.
The SEC said they will only give 85 scholarships in football but still have 105 on the roster.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 28, 2025, 01:36:52 PMAnd completely uninformed and irrational.
maybe so. But passionate.
Just got a text from someone in one of those CBB chats that RJ Luis is about to hit the portal.
Quote from: Viper on March 28, 2025, 05:14:23 PMmaybe so. But passionate.
I'm just glad you finally stopped tiptoeing around and said you think Shaka should be fired. It's an interesting take, but thanks for your honesty.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 12:00:11 PMThis is laughably false.
You said we don't have a guy like St. John's has, but if we did Marquette would rather have the money spent elsewhere. What did you mean by that because it sounds like the University would rather spend money on other things rather than competing for basketball players.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 28, 2025, 05:43:56 PMJust got a text from someone in one of those CBB chats that RJ Luis is about to hit the portal.
If true, and not saying it is, would him being benched have damaged that relationship enough to enter the portal? If so, probably not a strong relationship to begin with.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 28, 2025, 06:05:55 PMIf true, and not saying it is, would him being benched have damaged that relationship enough to enter the portal? If so, probably not a strong relationship to begin with.
I would have to think so because this was tweeted earlier when Zuby was confirmed back
https://x.com/KevinConnelly24/status/1905687887368307066?t=9CV2rY3RW32q-Zfa6rv_Og&s=19
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 28, 2025, 06:05:55 PMIf true, and not saying it is, would him being benched have damaged that relationship enough to enter the portal? If so, probably not a strong relationship to begin with.
It's reported he deleted his instagram due to excessive harassment and hate. wouldn't sunrise me if he wanted a fresh start
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 28, 2025, 06:00:41 PMYou said we don't have a guy like St. John's has, but if we did Marquette would rather have the money spent elsewhere. What did you mean by that because it sounds like the University would rather spend money on other things rather than competing for basketball players.
You said lack of money is the reason Shaka isn't using the portal. That is false.
There is plenty of money. Just not St. John's level money.
The NCAA has been running a PSA asking people to not make death threats against the players just because you made a bad bet and lost money.
Quote from: MU82 on March 28, 2025, 05:46:25 PMI'm just glad you finally stopped tiptoeing around and said you think Shaka should be fired. It's an interesting take, but thanks for your honesty.
misleading on your part. Very. Not that it matters...no one cares, but why not quote my post if you are going to comment? You'll recall I posted the caveat, 'IF'.
Didn't someone state on here that you are/were a sports reporter? Did the MU j-school advocate for fringe truth?
He scored 30 last night! Wow!! Well, ok, 23...but it seemed like 30.
Donovan Dent to the Big Ten.
UCLA
Quote from: Viper on March 28, 2025, 06:20:46 PMmisleading on your part. Very. Not that it matters...no one cares, but why not quote my post if you are going to comment? You'll recall I posted the caveat, 'IF'.
Didn't someone state on here that you are/were a sports reporter? Did the MU j-school advocate for fringe truth?
He scored 30 last night! Wow!! Well, ok, 23...but it seemed like 30.
Yes, you're right. You only said, IF Shaka refuses to do what the anonymous interwebs poster with the handle Viper says, he should be fired.
RJ Luis officially transferring and declaring for the draft.
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/1905999000311910591?s=46&t=Lb8EYkmpy2ihHfZoXXfVgw
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 29, 2025, 10:16:48 AMRJ Luis officially transferring and declaring for the draft.
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/1905999000311910591?s=46&t=Lb8EYkmpy2ihHfZoXXfVgw
Many will assume that this came about because of the Pitino benching in that last game, but methinks there was something brewing sooner.
There were several times during the season where Rick openly praised Ejiofor, Richmond and others but it seemed odd to me like he didn't throw around a lot of praise for RJ.
Then Luis got BEPoY and helped bring StJ to its best season in ages, including double titles.
Now, I'd expect he heads somewhere else for more money. My guess is that Rick took offense to him even entertaining the idea, but these are indeed wild times.
It's the Wild Wild West out there
Jay Wright says Shaka's system doesn't work for those with championship dreams. He's actually calling out the one and done culture, but it might just work for Duke this year.
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-basketball/jay-wright-building-young-talent-era-over.html
Quote from: bradforster on March 29, 2025, 10:38:00 AMJay Wright says Shaka's system doesn't work for those with championship dreams.
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-basketball/jay-wright-building-young-talent-era-over.html
That's not what he's saying at all. Also, good pull on an article from last March that was about one-and-dones
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 10:39:00 AMThat's not what he's saying at all
Lol exactly. Brad thinks Shaka and Cal run the same program. Nobody else in the world would agree with that.
Quote from: bradforster on March 29, 2025, 10:38:00 AMJay Wright says Shaka's system doesn't work for those with championship dreams. He's actually calling out the one and done culture, but might just work for Duke this year.
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-basketball/jay-wright-building-young-talent-era-over.html
He said that on 3/22/24 when Kentucky lost to Oakland.
Not saying he's wrong, maybe he's just a prophet.
Duke is winning with young players though
Quote from: DoctorV on March 29, 2025, 10:41:04 AMHe said that on 3/22/24 when Kentucky lost to Oakland.
Not saying he's wrong, maybe he's just a prophet.
Duke is winning with young players though
Haha so guy shares an article he didn't actually read because it's not anything remotely close to how Shaka is running his program. And then it turns out it's a year old?
😂😂😂😂
Quote from: DoctorV on March 29, 2025, 10:35:49 AMMany will assume that this came about because of the Pitino benching in that last game, but methinks there was something brewing sooner.
There were several times during the season where Rick openly praised Ejiofor, Richmond and others but it seemed odd to me like he didn't throw around a lot of praise for RJ.
Then Luis got BEPoY and helped bring StJ to its best season in ages, including double titles.
Now, I'd expect he heads somewhere else for more money. My guess is that Rick took offense to him even entertaining the idea, but these are indeed wild times.
It's the Wild Wild West out there
https://x.com/DalyDoseOfHoops/status/1906009472402628714?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1906009472402628714%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 10:39:00 AMThat's not what he's saying at all. Also, good pull on an article from last March that was about one-and-dones
Admittedly piling on, but bradforster's take is unintentionally comical. Shaka's system is designed to build a team via development and form a cohesive and experienced team. Nothing that Jay says dovetails with brad's take. And it would be nice to use current info rather than 2024.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 10:58:05 AMAdmittedly piling on, but bradforster's take is unintentionally comical. Shaka's system is designed to build a team via development and form a cohesive and experienced team. Nothing that Jay says dovetails with brad's take. And it would be nice to use current info rather than 2024.
That, too.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 29, 2025, 10:52:28 AMhttps://x.com/DalyDoseOfHoops/status/1906009472402628714?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1906009472402628714%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
A "mutual" decision means Rick told him to get lost.
Quote from: Jockey on March 29, 2025, 11:12:33 AMA "mutual" decision means Rick told him to get lost.
I don't think being benched the last 5 minutes of an NCAAT game did anything to help his desire to return either.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 10:58:05 AMAdmittedly piling on, but bradforster's take is unintentionally comical. Shaka's system is designed to build a team via development and form a cohesive and experienced team. Nothing that Jay says dovetails with brad's take. And it would be nice to use current info rather than 2024.
I was clearly posting that to stir the pot. I like Shaka's approach.
Quote from: bradforster on March 29, 2025, 11:20:26 AMI was clearly posting that to stir the pot. I like Shaka's approach.
Clear only to you, apparently.
Quote from: bradforster on March 29, 2025, 11:20:26 AMI was clearly posting that to stir the pot. I like Shaka's approach.
Next time you want to stir the pot......count to 3 and then delete the post........
Your welcome
read article on NIL payments. Stated that Kam Jones was getting 1.9 million. Can't swear to veracity Just throwing it out there
Quote from: drbob on March 29, 2025, 11:28:46 AMread article on NIL payments. Stated that Kam Jones was getting 1.9 million. Can't swear to veracity Just throwing it out there
It's actually $1.8
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 11:34:07 AMIt's actually $1.8
And now that all goes back into MU's NIL pot available to bring in big transfers.
Quote from: drbob on March 29, 2025, 11:28:46 AMread article on NIL payments. Stated that Kam Jones was getting 1.9 million. Can't swear to veracity Just throwing it out there
Click bait.......so much crap is thrown out in articles like this......I don't believe any of them.......without transparency ....agents and other whisperers can say anything they want or simply make stuff up.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 11:44:00 AMAnd now that all goes back into MU's NIL pot available to bring in big transfers.
That money actually comes from Jim Chones
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 11:44:00 AMAnd now that all goes back into MU's NIL pot available to bring in big transfers.
It comes off the books. Doesn't go back into the pot (it was already paid out).
We could have more MIL money or less NIL money next year. There is no guarantee the pot will be = every year.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 06:17:51 PMYou said lack of money is the reason Shaka isn't using the portal. That is false.
There is plenty of money. Just not St. John's level money.
So if we have the money why not acquire a player who can help? I think it is the University that does not want to get into a bidding war for players and you admitted as much when you stated that even if we had a "guy" like St.John's, Marquette would rather that money be spent elsewhere other than the Basketball program. I believe Shaka is just reflecting University policy.
Quote from: MuMark on March 29, 2025, 11:53:03 AMClick bait.......so much crap is thrown out in articles like this......I don't believe any of them.......without transparency ....agents and other whisperers can say anything they want or simply make stuff up.
any article using "NIL Valuation" is BS too and has nothing to do with actual NIL payments, just, like you said, click bait.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 29, 2025, 12:09:03 PMSo if we have the money why not acquire a player who can help? I think it is the University that does not want to get into a bidding war for players and you admitted as much when you stated that even if we had a "guy" like St.John's, Marquette would rather that money be spent elsewhere other than the Basketball program. I believe Shaka is just reflecting University policy.
Well you are wrong. Shaka has stated his values regarding the portal many times. He isn't lying because the university won't let him take transfers.
Quote from: Jockey on March 29, 2025, 11:54:45 AMIt comes off the books. Doesn't go back into the pot (it was already paid out).
We could have more MIL money or less NIL money next year. There is no guarantee the pot will be = every year.
You wouldn't think this has to be explained, but it does.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 29, 2025, 12:15:34 PMYou wouldn't think this has to be explained, but it does.
You would think sarcasm would get picked up, but it does not.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 12:19:23 PMYou would think sarcasm would get picked up, but it does not.
Clear to only you apparently.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 11:34:07 AMIt's actually $1.8
One dollar and eighty cents? We really are piss broke!
Quote from: bradforster on March 29, 2025, 10:38:00 AMJay Wright says Shaka's system doesn't work for those with championship dreams. He's actually calling out the one and done culture, but it might just work for Duke this year.
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-basketball/jay-wright-building-young-talent-era-over.html
grumpily.
He said it a year ago. And the goal, even for Shaka, is to get old and stay old. Finally, no more COVID year.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 29, 2025, 12:23:15 PMClear to only you apparently.
And modestly intelligent people.
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 12:28:34 PMQuote from: bradforster on March 29, 2025, 10:38:00 AMJay Wright says Shaka's system doesn't work for those with championship dreams. He's actually calling out the one and done culture, but it might just work for Duke this year.
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-basketball/jay-wright-building-young-talent-era-over.html
grumpily.
He said it a year ago. And the goal, even for Shaka, is to get old and stay old. Finally, no more COVID year.
Not a lot of AD's and Carmelo's out there.
As great as Flagg is, I think Duke istoo inexperienced and not athletic enough to beat Floridas and Alabamas out there.
Quote from: Jockey on March 29, 2025, 12:59:10 PMNot a lot of AD's and Carmelo's out there.
As great as Flagg is, I think Duke istoo inexperienced and not athletic enough to beat Floridas and Alabamas out there.
I'm fully prepared for Alabama to shoot something like 3 for 40 from beyond the arc today
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 29, 2025, 12:09:03 PMSo if we have the money why not acquire a player who can help? I think it is the University that does not want to get into a bidding war for players and you admitted as much when you stated that even if we had a "guy" like St.John's, Marquette would rather that money be spent elsewhere other than the Basketball program. I believe Shaka is just reflecting University policy.
An opinion is not fact, and you didn't provide even the slightest shred of evidence to support your opinion. But yes, you are allowed to believe whatever you want.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 29, 2025, 01:10:34 PMI'm fully prepared for Alabama to shoot something like 3 for 40 from beyond the arc today
The hardest area to be consistent from game to game.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 29, 2025, 12:09:03 PMSo if we have the money why not acquire a player who can help? I think it is the University that does not want to get into a bidding war for players and you admitted as much when you stated that even if we had a "guy" like St.John's, Marquette would rather that money be spent elsewhere other than the Basketball program. I believe Shaka is just reflecting University policy.
I think your confusing donor relations with University policy. If MU has a small number of donors with the ability and willingness to fund a NIL bag drop, Shaka had better be damn sure he's only going to them with his hand out for true difference makers. The worst thing he could do is use those donors to fund a guy or two that doesn't directly lead to major success, or pretty quick we would no longer "have the money." Just a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if MU's core donors feel pretty iffy on basically funding a one year bag drop contract for a player as it is, so Shaka would have to tread pretty carefully in the portal.
Shaka isn't paying anyone to transfer here more than those who are here are already paid. He isn't asking a donor for "a bag" regardless. He has stated all of this. Multiple times.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 29, 2025, 03:52:44 PMShaka isn't paying anyone to transfer here more than those who are here are already paid. He isn't asking a donor for "a bag" regardless. He has stated all of this. Multiple times.
Agree
https://x.com/AdamBorstPGH/status/1905735314427302042
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 29, 2025, 06:30:54 PMGet used to losing!
He says, for the 5th year in a row.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 07:51:22 PMHe says, for the 5th year in a row.
He says it every year. it is dumb to say it every year.
That said, our guards arn't the best next year, and he might be right for the first time.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2025, 06:37:08 PMhttps://x.com/AdamBorstPGH/status/1905735314427302042
Brutal being a mid or low major these days.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 29, 2025, 06:30:54 PMGet used to losing!
This guy...hoping to be a broken clock?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 29, 2025, 07:58:46 PMBrutal being a mid or low major these days.
Feels like fewer upsets in the NCAA as a result...
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 29, 2025, 07:58:46 PMBrutal being a mid or low major these days.
The last time I felt we lacked the talent to compete (like I do going into next year) we won the BE and BET. So until Shaka has a dud of a season, I'll just trust Shaka's teams will be competitive.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 08:19:47 PMThe last time I felt we lacked the talent to compete (like I do going into next year) we won the BE and BET. So until Shaka has a dud of a season, I'll just trust Shaka's teams will be competitive.
Nope. Trust BCHoopster.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 03:25:19 PMI think your confusing donor relations with University policy. If MU has a small number of donors with the ability and willingness to fund a NIL bag drop, Shaka had better be damn sure he's only going to them with his hand out for true difference makers. The worst thing he could do is use those donors to fund a guy or two that doesn't directly lead to major success, or pretty quick we would no longer "have the money." Just a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if MU's core donors feel pretty iffy on basically funding a one year bag drop contract for a player as it is, so Shaka would have to tread pretty carefully in the portal.
Yikes
Quote from: The Sultan on March 29, 2025, 03:52:44 PMShaka isn't paying anyone to transfer here more than those who are here are already paid. He isn't asking a donor for "a bag" regardless. He has stated all of this. Multiple times.
Obviously just my opinion, but I don't believe the first sentence will prove to be 100% true. If it were, I can't see how Marquette would ever get transfers other than developmental players or 8th-9th man types. I think that Shaka will still ultimately be more active than that in the portal.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 08:53:25 PMObviously just my opinion, but I don't believe the first sentence will prove to be 100% true. If it were, I can't see how Marquette would ever get transfers other than developmental players or 8th-9th man types. I think that Shaka will still ultimately be more active than that in the portal.
When?
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 08:54:26 PMWhen?
No idea, and it wouldn't be an every year thing. I think Shaka is as dedicated to building through high school recruiting and developing the roster as he says. So for example, I don't think Shaka would take a home run swing to bring in a stud in an otherwise rebuilding year - e.g. I don't think Marquette woudl be a player at the top of the portal this year. But to bring in a 4th or 5th starter to fill a need or big bench piece to round out a highly-ranked team? I could definitely see it.
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 08:54:26 PMWhen?
When (if?) someone with a key role for the next year transfers (to get their own bag). For example, if Kam had taken the purported bag from Memphis last year, Shaka might have understandably looked for a big ticket transfer. If Gold or Chase were to shockingly move on, Shaka might need to find (and pay for) a transfer beyond the 8th-9th man types. I'm ok if it never happens, though I anticipate it probably will, which will also be fine. It's Shaka's program, and he knows better than I.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 08:53:25 PMObviously just my opinion, but I don't believe the first sentence will prove to be 100% true. If it were, I can't see how Marquette would ever get transfers other than developmental players or 8th-9th man types. I think that Shaka will still ultimately be more active than that in the portal.
If he does it would go against pretty much everything he has said and done since he has been here.
Quote from: mug644 on March 29, 2025, 09:05:31 PMWhen (if?) someone with a key role for the next year transfers (to get their own bag). For example, if Kam had taken the purported bag from Memphis last year, Shaka might have understandably looked for a big ticket transfer. If Gold or Chase were to shockingly move on, Shaka might need to find (and pay for) a transfer beyond the 8th-9th man types. I'm ok if it never happens, though I anticipate it probably will, which will also be fine. It's Shaka's program, and he knows better than I.
IMO, Parham is the one player who, in the unlikely event he were to transfer this offseason, could force Shaka's hand.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 08:19:47 PMThe last time I felt we lacked the talent to compete (like I do going into next year) we won the BE and BET. So until Shaka has a dud of a season, I'll just trust Shaka's teams will be competitive.
Ok, great Wades. My comment had nothing at all to do with MU though.
IU has no returning players from their 24-25 roster. Every single player either exhausted their eligibility or entered the portal. Seriously jealous. Think of the opportunities.
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 09:08:56 PMIMO, Parham is the one player who, in the unlikely event he were to transfer this offseason, could force Shaka's hand.
I think if Parham were to leave, Shaka would look for a 2-3 year transfer to fill the gap. I'm not convinced that Parham's role for next year is so crucial.
If Gold or Ross were to leave, though, that absence would be felt immediately and dramatically next year, in my mind. Such a departure would force Shaka's hand, methinks.
All that said, I don't see any of those three we're mentioning leaving, so it's a moot point. Until a "can't replace through the pipeline" player does leave. Then we'll see what Shaka does.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 09:02:45 PMNo idea, and it wouldn't be an every year thing. I think Shaka is as dedicated to building through high school recruiting and developing the roster as he says. So for example, I don't think Shaka would take a home run swing to bring in a stud in an otherwise rebuilding year - e.g. I don't think Marquette woudl be a player at the top of the portal this year. But to bring in a 4th or 5th starter to fill a need or big bench piece to round out a highly-ranked team? I could definitely see it.
Except he's had that opportunity and hasn't done it.
Quote from: mug644 on March 29, 2025, 09:17:09 PMI think if Parham were to leave, Shaka would look for a 2-3 year transfer to fill the gap. I'm not convinced that Parham's role for next year is so crucial.
If Gold or Ross were to leave, though, that absence would be felt immediately and dramatically next year, in my mind. Such a departure would force Shaka's hand, methinks.
All that said, I don't see any of those three we're mentioning leaving, so it's a moot point. Until a "can't replace through the pipeline" player does leave. Then we'll see what Shaka does.
Parham's role next next is absolutely crucial. It wouldn't shock me if he led the team in scoring.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2025, 09:27:58 PMParham's role next next is absolutely crucial. It wouldn't shock me if he led the team in scoring.
I guess I can see Parham's role as crucial, as he replaces Joplin, while Chase and Gold are returning. So, we need him to step up to have even a year as good (adequate?) as this year. Coming off of this year, I don't see Parham as leading the team in scoring. Would love to be happily surprised.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2025, 09:25:53 PMExcept he's had that opportunity and hasn't done it.
Agree. But like I would say to the posters complaining about how Shaka is "against" the portal, I don't think that necessarily means he would do the same thing in the same situation again. It would just be dependent on fit - on-court, locker room/culture, economics. I think we're tending to make too much of too little a sample size of how Shaka's treated the portal to date.
Quote from: mug644 on March 29, 2025, 09:40:46 PMI guess I can see Parham's role as crucial, as he replaces Joplin, while Chase and Gold are returning. So, we need him to step up to have even a year as good (adequate?) as this year. Coming off of this year, I don't see Parham as leading the team in scoring. Would love to be happily surprised.
I wouldn't bet on it but with a year of development, big minutes and a green light on a team that will need scoring, it seems more than possible.
Maybe Chase is the safe choice as the leading returning scorer but I'm expecting a big year from Royce.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 09:44:43 PMAgree. But like I would say to the posters complaining about how Shaka is "against" the portal, I don't think that necessarily means he would do the same thing in the same situation again. It would just be dependent on fit - on-court, locker room/culture, economics. I think we're tending to make too much of too little a sample size of how Shaka's treated the portal to date.
That's fair.
But I tend to agree with those that say unless there's an unexpected departure or a glaringly obvious hole with no internal options we're going to see more of the same.
I believe Shaka means what he says.
There's 1400 kids in the portal, I have to believe MU should be able get one banger, someone to put a body on a player like Egibor, just a solid backup, does even have to be a starter.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 09:44:43 PMAgree. But like I would say to the posters complaining about how Shaka is "against" the portal, I don't think that necessarily means he would do the same thing in the same situation again. It would just be dependent on fit - on-court, locker room/culture, economics. I think we're tending to make too much of too little a sample size of how Shaka's treated the portal to date.
The key thing you say that I agree with is that Shaka may not do the same thing again. I do believe that he learns, is flexible and can adapt. If the situation calls for change, I think he'd do so.
That said, he's stated his principles related to development and the portal pretty clearly, definitively and repeatedly. He's committed to the players (and families) he recruits out of high school. He wants to see individual and team development. He won't deal with agents. He won't drop a bag for a one year star.
If he learns, shows flexibility and adapts, it might well appear to run counter to his principles. I imagine that he'll be willing to do it someday, but it will be notable.
Let's be honest. If you think the portal is MU's path to a title, how likely do you think it is that MU could ever assemble the talent Duke has? I think it's very unlikely no matter what path MU takes. It's the world of college athletics. Starting to look like MLB.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 29, 2025, 09:53:53 PMThere's 1400 kids in the portal, I have to believe MU should be able get one banger, someone to put a body on a player like Egibor, just a solid backup, does even have to be a starter.
If Shaka ruins his pristine, no portaling look/schtick I hope it's not to just someone to put a body on edgy bore.
If he dabbles, I am pretty certain he will bring in a difference maker.
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 09:53:21 PMI believe Shaka means what he says.
I agree. And I believe that Shaka is willing to change his mind.
Nm
Quote from: DoctorV on March 29, 2025, 10:09:33 PMIf Shaka ruins his pristine, no portaling look/schtick I hope it's not to just someone to put a body on edgy bore.
If he dabbles, I am pretty certain he will bring in a difference maker.
Getting someone who fits in wouldn't ruin anything.
Quote from: mug644 on March 29, 2025, 10:12:38 PMI agree. And I believe that Shaka is willing to change his mind.
I think he is committed to his believes, so I see him holding firm. If he has a bad year next year, then maybe he will have a different opinion of what he is doing.
1. Then/than
2. There/their/they're
3. Beliefs/Believes
You really seem to struggle with these.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 29, 2025, 10:31:16 PM1. Then/than
2. There/their/they're
3. Beliefs/Believes
You really seem to struggle with these.
For sure, was not very good in English, oh well. That's why I had a good secretary all the time!
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 10:17:45 PMGetting someone who fits in wouldn't ruin anything.
A difference maker would fit in just fine.
Shaka's system has defined roles.
This incoming season all 5 starter spots were essentially spoken for.
A difference maker like Kon would have jolted that system a bit because it would have supplanted one of the nearly certain starters that had earned their stripes.
Next season, there are only 2 starter spots that are essentially spoken for in his defined role system
Chase Ross and Ben Gold.
Even Ben's isn't that solidified because he can play the 4 or 5. Even though he's nearly certain to start, there is flexibility there.
We've discussed that Royce will likely step in as a starter, and mentioned SJ22, Zaide, and others, but there are only really 2 surefire starters in Shaka's defined role system, or "return" starters if you will that have earned their stripes.
Joplin and Chase were surefire "next man up" much more than someone like Zaide, Royce, or SJ22 for a variety of reasons (injury, inexperience, etc)
So, in that nature, if Shaka dabbled Im fairly certain he will bring in a difference maker, and that difference maker will fit in just fine.
He would step into a starting role (likely 2 years worth or more as I think it's more rare that he brings in a guy with only one year left) and would fit in just fine in that role.
Whoever were to be disrupted or "lapped" if you will, would not have had a guaranteed starter or major/elite contributor role as a given as is.
I'll use an outlandish, not gonna happen example to prove my point.
1) DJ Thomas from UNLV commits to Shaka.
Immediate starter and contributor at PG for 2 seasons. Sean, Tre backups or transfer. Nigel backup starting pg in waiting, and can also share the same backcourt and move DJ to the 2 spot this upcoming season or next.
2) Silas Demery Jr from Georgia commits to Shaka. 2 years left, immediate impact guard at the 1/2/3. Zaide starts the season off the bench but Shaka finds a way to get Chase, Zaide, and Silas all plenty of minutes at the 1-4 spots and Zaide, with continued development and hopeful future stardom, steps into Chase roll alongside Silas at the 2/3 the following year.
I get it that we should take Shaka's word and no Marquette fan should get excited about the portal. I also get that Shaka does his recruiting in the shadows, there is very little leaked and oftentimes the first time you hear about a new Marquette played is when he commits to Shaka out of nowhere.
My only point is that if he dabbles in the portal, I highly suspect that it'll be for a difference maker.
Especially this offseason with so many "undefined" roles and so many spots up for grabs.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 29, 2025, 10:09:33 PMIf Shaka ruins his pristine, no portaling look/schtick I hope it's not to just someone to put a body on edgy bore.
If he dabbles, I am pretty certain he will bring in a difference maker.
It's not a "schtick".
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 29, 2025, 10:31:16 PM1. Then/than
2. There/their/they're
3. Beliefs/Believes
You really seem to struggle with these.
that is funny.
#Purdue Junior F Brian Waddell has entered the transfer portal.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 30, 2025, 06:07:18 AM#Purdue Junior F Brian Waddell has entered the transfer portal.
We'll get him when we bring home Brian Wardle.
Can you imagine the reaction if MU's only foray into the portal was to bring in Waddell? Almost worth it from a pure entertainment perspective.
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2025, 09:09:14 AMCan you imagine the reaction if MU's only foray into the portal was to bring in Waddell? Almost worth it from a pure entertainment perspective.
Fingers crossed
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 29, 2025, 10:01:38 PMLet's be honest. If you think the portal is MU's path to a title, how likely do you think it is that MU could ever assemble the talent Duke has? I think it's very unlikely no matter what path MU takes. It's the world of college athletics. Starting to look like MLB.
Well, the Yankees have not won a World Series in 16 years, and they spent a ton. The Dodgers also big spenders have won recently but that is no guarantee. Will see if the Mets ROI with Soto will pay off.
So, at least Marquette is the Brewers of college basketball and not the White Sox.
If MU would go into the portal, I wouldn't mind seeing them go for this size/weight prospect: https://sports.yahoo.com/article/iowa-basketball-forward-ladji-dembele-182527734.html
I've no idea if this particular player is any good.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 30, 2025, 11:39:10 AMSo, at least Marquette is the Brewers of college basketball and not the White Sox.
Apparently, you have not taken Tower's frequent call for patience seriously. We'll get there.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2025, 11:05:45 PMIt's not a "schtick".
It's kind of becoming a schtick, though. Or a brand, or a thing, or whatever you want to call it. Buzz's schtick was being a phony down-home lonesome cowboy who swept the floor and only recruited kids who ate off the dollar menu. Al's was cracked sidewalks. Danny Hurley's is to swear a lot and throw tantrums when absolutely anything doesn't go his way. Lots of college basketball coaches have schticks.
For the past couple seasons, Shaka has decided to run his program like it's 2005, and it's starting to become his thing. Towards the end of the season, it seemed like every broadcast pointed out that MU had no transfers. It's known that Shaka will not be "dropping bags" even though that's where the sport is headed. He has made this his brand, for better or worse.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 30, 2025, 11:53:13 AMIt's kind of becoming a schtick, though. Or a brand, or a thing, or whatever you want to call it. Buzz's schtick was being a phony down-home lonesome cowboy who swept the floor and only recruited kids who ate off the dollar menu. Al's was cracked sidewalks. Danny Hurley's is to swear a lot and throw tantrums when absolutely anything doesn't go his way. Lots of college basketball coaches have schticks.
For the past couple seasons, Shaka has decided to run his program like it's 2005, and it's starting to become his thing. Towards the end of the season, it seemed like every broadcast pointed out that MU had no transfers. It's known that Shaka will not be "dropping bags" even though that's where the sport is headed. He has made this his brand, for better or worse.
Probably need to look up "schtick" before you use that word.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 30, 2025, 11:55:04 AMProbably need to look up "schtick" before you use that word.
Whenever you're triggered by a post, you'll write a one-sentence passive-aggressive statement to try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room. One might even say it's your schtick!
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 30, 2025, 12:05:31 PMWhenever you're triggered by a post, you'll write a one-sentence passive-aggressive statement to try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room. One might even say it's your schtick!
Thanks!
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 30, 2025, 12:05:31 PMWhenever you're triggered by a post, you'll write a one-sentence passive-aggressive statement to try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room. One might even say it's your schtick!
He's not wrong - seems like you don't know what "schtick" means.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 30, 2025, 11:39:10 AMWell, the Yankees have not won a World Series in 16 years, and they spent a ton. The Dodgers also big spenders have won recently but that is no guarantee. Will see if the Mets ROI with Soto will pay off.
So, at least Marquette is the Brewers of college basketball and not the White Sox.
Unlike the Brewers, Marquette and the White Sox know what it's like to win a title.
"Schtick" is a Yiddish word meaning gimmick or stunt or comic routine.
So it's pretty obvious that recruit/develop/retain is not a "schtick" for Shaka.
Biggie also used the word "brand," and that's definitely closer IMHO. I'd use the word "philosophy," but I'm sure other words could work, too.
Speak softly and carry a big schtick
Rico loves to schtick it to the man.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 30, 2025, 11:42:12 AMApparently, you have not taken Tower's frequent call for patience seriously. We'll get there.
48 years since our last National Championship. Any comment as to where we are going and when we will get there?
Quote from: Class71 on March 30, 2025, 05:20:09 PM48 years since our last National Championship. Any comment as to where we are going and when we will get there?
2069
Quote from: Class71 on March 30, 2025, 05:20:09 PM48 years since our last National Championship. Any comment as to where we are going and when we will get there?
To heaven, if you have lived a virtuous life.
Quote from: Class71 on March 30, 2025, 05:20:09 PM48 years since our last National Championship. Any comment as to where we are going and when we will get there?
Mequon, 2035
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 30, 2025, 12:05:31 PMWhenever you're triggered by a post, you'll write a one-sentence passive-aggressive statement to try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room. One might even say it's your schtick!
mic drop winner!
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2025, 01:07:16 PMUnlike the Brewers, Marquette and the White Sox know what it's like to win a title.
Touche!
Quote from: Class71 on March 30, 2025, 05:20:09 PM48 years since our last National Championship. Any comment as to where we are going and when we will get there?
Crown Basketball tournament next year, if the tournament survives another year.
https://blog.evanmiya.com/p/how-to-build-a-roster-in-the-modern
An interesting study regarding roster building and the portal
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 30, 2025, 08:10:41 PMhttps://blog.evanmiya.com/p/how-to-build-a-roster-in-the-modern
An interesting study regarding roster building and the portal
Bold - the first point " 1. Fill your roster with good basketball players".
St. Johns is going to replace Luis with Bryce Hopkins.
That front court of Ejiofor and Hopkins is going to have 25 rebounds a game.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DH3VvLWxOzi/?igsh=MW5hY3N3cjJvMWo3dA==
So Sean Jones just posted this. Did someone say he's going to enter the portal? Doesn't look like it.
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 31, 2025, 08:47:15 AMhttps://www.instagram.com/p/DH3VvLWxOzi/?igsh=MW5hY3N3cjJvMWo3dA==
So Sean Jones just posted this. Did someone say he's going to enter the portal? Doesn't look like it.
Yep, Panda 2.0. Sure doesn't seem like the kind of post that someone entering the portal would put up.
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 31, 2025, 08:47:15 AMhttps://www.instagram.com/p/DH3VvLWxOzi/?igsh=MW5hY3N3cjJvMWo3dA==
So Sean Jones just posted this. Did someone say he's going to enter the portal? Doesn't look like it.
Clearly transferring to Maryland and referencing the return game to Fiserv.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 31, 2025, 09:01:22 AMClearly transferring to Maryland and referencing the return game to Fiserv.
Or Dayton
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 31, 2025, 09:01:22 AMClearly transferring to Maryland and referencing the return game to Fiserv.
I'm pretty sure thats a reference to an upcoming summer internship at Fiserv Inc. So we better stay tuned...
It's a smoke screen so schools will offer more to try to pry him away
He gowne
I just heard Frietag has entered the portal. So much for "best point guard in a weasel uniform since Devin Harris" which was told to me by a number of people.
Why were you hanging out with people who would say that?
Quote from: tower912 on March 31, 2025, 12:17:19 PMWhy were you hanging out with people who would say that?
Viper was looking for something to do since his BIL was busy
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2025, 12:15:21 PMI just heard Frietag has entered the portal. So much for "best point guard in a weasel uniform since Devin Harris" which was told to me by a number of people.
The hype on him from the people that cover the team and recruiting was unfair
I don't believe we have been connected to anyone in the portal since it opened last week.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 31, 2025, 12:52:56 PMI don't believe we have been connected to anyone in the portal since it opened last week.
With the way Shaka recruits, I'm expecting any transfer may be a bit out of the blue.
Caedin was an August commit. Clark was late May - if we get someone, it will most likely be post xfer portal window.
Arkansas' Zvonimir Ivisic enters the portal. 7'2" big man.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1906781296413610269 (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1906781296413610269)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 31, 2025, 06:35:39 AMSt. Johns is going to replace Luis with Bryce Hopkins.
That front court of Ejiofor and Hopkins is going to have 25 rebounds a game.
It's now official
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1906810397601972480
Quote from: Norm on March 31, 2025, 03:05:46 PMArkansas' Zvonimir Ivisic enters the portal. 7'2" big man.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1906781296413610269 (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1906781296413610269)
Following the AJ Storr plan
Quote from: MUbiz on March 31, 2025, 01:10:52 PMCaedin was an August commit. Clark was late May - if we get someone, it will most likely be post xfer portal winsharpshooter.
Both huge projects.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 31, 2025, 12:21:33 PMThe hype on him from the people that cover the team and recruiting was unfair
https://badgerofhonor.com/daniel-freitag-s-transfer-signals-the-end-of-high-school-recruiting-for-wisconsin
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2025, 06:00:27 PMhttps://badgerofhonor.com/daniel-freitag-s-transfer-signals-the-end-of-high-school-recruiting-for-wisconsin
Weird headline. The article then says nothing of the kind.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2025, 06:00:27 PMhttps://badgerofhonor.com/daniel-freitag-s-transfer-signals-the-end-of-high-school-recruiting-for-wisconsin
I don't understand why Badger fans act like there is something magical about being an in-state recruit. Freitag was from Minnesota. They act like it's on the other side of the world or something.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2025, 06:10:49 PMI don't understand why Badger fans act like there is something magical about being an in-state recruit. Freitag was from Minnesota. They act like it's on the other side of the world or something.
Shopko Badger fans do believe that
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 31, 2025, 03:54:47 PMIt's now official
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1906810397601972480
If he's healthy will we get 10 rebounds against them?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2025, 06:45:58 PMIf he's healthy will we get 10 rebounds against them?
::)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 31, 2025, 06:43:10 PMShopko Badger fans do believe that
walmart, ok? Walmart
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2025, 06:45:58 PMIf he's healthy will we get 10 rebounds against them?
What? Pitino continuing to evolve? He is in his 70's. Shaka is in his 40's. He should be the one to evolve, not some 70 year old geezer.
Two words: Flory Bidunga. Get him in an MU uni. Pronto.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 31, 2025, 07:23:27 PMWhat? Pitino continuing to evolve? He is in his 70's. Shaka is in his 40's. He should be the one to evolve, not some 70 year old geezer.
A 70-year old geezer with a billionaire supporter with nothing better to do with his money.
You can always give Shaka a blank check to be used in the portal.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2025, 07:56:01 PMTwo words: Flory Bidunga. Get him in an MU uni. Pronto.
Or
what?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2025, 08:05:42 PMA 70-year old geezer with a billionaire supporter with nothing better to do with his money.
You can always give Shaka a blank check to be used in the portal.
Although would Shaka cash that check? Here ya go Coach. Shop with this. Enough here for a Big, a 3pt ripper and a PG over 6'0" tall.
Quote from: Viper on March 31, 2025, 10:48:39 PMAlthough would Shaka cash that check? Here ya go Coach. Shop with this. Enough here for a Big, a 3pt ripper and a PG over 6'0" tall.
Should I be surprised?
Cluff is a huge get for Purdue. No pun intended.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 31, 2025, 10:10:13 PMOr what?
Vitally important year for MU hoops. I have some concerns with our overall talent level and rim protection.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2025, 08:05:42 PMA 70-year old geezer with a billionaire supporter with nothing better to do with his money.
You can always give Shaka a blank check to be used in the portal.
But he wouldn't use it. People have already established that.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2025, 11:09:14 PMVitally important year for MU hoops. I have some concerns with our overall talent level and rim protection.
You should have concerns. Here cone the remember the past with insults in 3..2..1
Quote from: willie warrior on April 01, 2025, 06:18:50 AMYou should have concerns. Here cone the remember the past with insults in 3..2..1
🤔
Quote from: willie warrior on April 01, 2025, 06:16:57 AMBut he wouldn't use it. People have already established that.
Then you don't have anything to worry about when you give him that blank check.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2025, 11:00:38 PMShould I be surprised?
...should you be surprised? To that I'd say, no.
i see Purdue decided to get a big from the portal. Maybe Shaka will follow in Painter's footsteps
Quote from: drbob on April 01, 2025, 09:57:51 AMi see Purdue decided to get a big from the portal. Maybe Shaka will follow in Painter's footsteps
Purdue also lost a big to the portal, maybe Painter should have followed in Shaka's footsteps.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 01, 2025, 09:59:40 AMPurdue also lost a big to the portal, maybe Painter should have followed in Shaka's footsteps.
That is a massive upgrade Purdue got - lost a big, got a much better big.
Quote from: drbob on April 01, 2025, 09:57:51 AMi see Purdue decided to get a big from the portal. Maybe Shaka will follow in Painter's footsteps
Thanks
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 03:25:19 PMI think your confusing donor relations with University policy. If MU has a small number of donors with the ability and willingness to fund a NIL bag drop, Shaka had better be damn sure he's only going to them with his hand out for true difference makers. The worst thing he could do is use those donors to fund a guy or two that doesn't directly lead to major success, or pretty quick we would no longer "have the money." Just a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if MU's core donors feel pretty iffy on basically funding a one year bag drop contract for a player as it is, so Shaka would have to tread pretty carefully in the portal.
So, you are basically saying we can't compete with the "bag drop" schools. Yes, we are paying guys to stay, but those guys want to win, and if the best we can do is a sweet 16 run, some guys just may want to play on a team that can win a championship and go elsewhere. Will see how this all plays out in the coming seasons.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2025, 06:10:49 PMI don't understand why Badger fans act like there is something magical about being an in-state recruit. Freitag was from Minnesota. They act like it's on the other side of the world or something.
A lot of them haven't left the state. Not even joking.
Michigan State is losing Tre Holloman (a significant contributor) and Gehrig Normann (a potential future contributor). They may not be the last leaving East Lansing:
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1907091480960803218
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 10:11:51 AMThat is a massive upgrade Purdue got - lost a big, got a much better big.
Using the portal to improve your roster. Imagine that.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 11:59:28 AMUsing the portal to improve your roster. Imagine that.
Shaka's incompetent.
So far Shaka has kept around all of his contributors. Guys like Izzo and Painter who don't take many transfers but you're lauding for getting a few here and there have lost guys like Mason Gillis and Tre Holloman now.
So, the portal giveth and the portal taketh. You can succeed in college basketball doing it multiple ways.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 01, 2025, 11:56:24 AMMichigan State is losing Tre Holloman (a significant contributor) and Gehrig Normann (a potential future contributor). They may not be the last leaving East Lansing:
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1907091480960803218
I thought I read that this is the most together team Izzo ever coached.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 01, 2025, 12:28:36 PMI thought I read that this is the most together team Izzo ever coached.
Money talks, especially to a guy like Holloman who has no NBA future.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 01, 2025, 12:28:36 PMI thought I read that this is the most together team Izzo ever coached.
Were letters written?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2025, 12:12:23 PMShaka's incompetent.
So far Shaka has kept around all of his contributors. Guys like Izzo and Painter who don't take many transfers but you're lauding for getting a few here and there have lost guys like Mason Gillis and Tre Holloman now.
So, the portal giveth and the portal taketh. You can succeed in college basketball doing it multiple ways.
It's wild that suggesting improving the roster is a good thing leads to hostility.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:10:38 PMIt's wild that suggesting improving the roster is a good thing leads to hostility.
Your post was total snark.
The implication is that Shaka is not looking to improve his roster. History suggests that this is false.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 01:12:23 PMYour post was total snark.
But not wrong.
Shouldn't wanting an improved roster be something everyone can agree on?
Meechie Johnson started his career at Ohio State and then transferred to South Carolina.
He then transferred from South Carolina back to Ohio State.
He now has transferred from Ohio State back to South Carolina.
https://x.com/CBB_Central/status/1907126063685099785?t=nLeacYZxmWDzWmNBkjl95w&s=19
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1907127113284510162?t=ElFKxvixg6-1sp5zGvLwbA&s=19
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 01, 2025, 01:12:45 PMThe implication is that Shaka is not looking to improve his roster. History suggests that this is false.
Does it?
Last year he had a scholarship available to improve the roster. He chose not to.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:16:41 PMDoes it?
Last year he had a scholarship available to improve the roster. He chose not to.
It does. Shaka has pursued targets via the transfer portal every year he has been here. Shaka also has kept all recruiting close to the vest. If we land a transfer, I expect that we won't hear about it until it is done.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:14:50 PMBut not wrong.
Shouldn't wanting an improved roster be something everyone can agree on?
Sure, but you infer that the portal is the best way to do that and it's a completely short-term approach. You also don't account for the possibility that it might not work (see IU & Kansas).
Shaka has earned the benefit of the doubt, IMO. I find it odd that a lot of people don't want to give that to him.
And I say that knowing this upcoming season very well could result to being on the bubble.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 01, 2025, 01:15:56 PMMeechie Johnson started his career at Ohio State and then transferred to South Carolina.
He then transferred from South Carolina back to Ohio State.
He now has transferred from Ohio State back to South Carolina.
https://x.com/CBB_Central/status/1907126063685099785?t=nLeacYZxmWDzWmNBkjl95w&s=19
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1907127113284510162?t=ElFKxvixg6-1sp5zGvLwbA&s=19
Even he has to think this is weird... unless there's something like splitting time between two siblings or each of the parents' Alma maters I cannot imagine doing this and being taken serious... actually thought harder and even then can't imagine it.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2025, 01:20:34 PMEven he has to think this is weird... unless there's something like splitting time between two siblings or each of the parents' Alma maters I cannot imagine doing this and being taken serious... actually thought harder and even then can't imagine it.
It is outrageous from both sides really. Hilarious from an outsiders perspective though!
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 01, 2025, 01:18:26 PMIt does. Shaka has pursued targets via the transfer portal every year he has been here. Shaka also has kept all recruiting close to the vest. If we land a transfer, I expect that we won't hear about it until it is done.
Who did he target last offseason?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:14:50 PMBut not wrong.
Shouldn't wanting an improved roster be something everyone can agree on?
No one on Scoop has demonstrated
any influence upon Shaka's decisions, but the tone of many posts, to me, sound as if delusion is widespread here. You seem to be certain of what an "improved roster" is and are desperately seeking validation from "everyone".
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 01:18:36 PMSure, but you infer that the portal is the best way to do that and it's a completely short-term approach.
I haven't inferred this and have written just the opposite. I've said the roster should be built primarily with high school recruits.
But unless you're recruiting in the Duke ecosystem, there are always going to be misses, no matter how good of a recruiter and evaluator you are. And teams should use the portal to fill the holes those misses create.
Even Duke uses the portal to fill holes.
Like this time a year ago, there are obvious holes on the roster. Unlike last year, I would hope Shaka is working the portal to fill at least one of them.
Quote from: LAZER on April 01, 2025, 01:23:52 PMWho did he target last offseason?
Max Langenfeld
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65586.msg1653067#msg1653067
IIRC it fell apart in the final hours.
Quote from: LAZER on April 01, 2025, 01:23:52 PMWho did he target last offseason?
Well Coleman Hawkins said something on twitter that aluded to having had a talk with MU given how he responded to that "everyone gets paid the same" article
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 01, 2025, 01:26:17 PMNo one on Scoop has demonstrated any influence upon Shaka's decisions, but the tone of many posts, to me, sound as if delusion is widespread here. You seem to be certain of what an "improved roster" is and are desperately seeking validation from "everyone".
I have "no idea" what any of "this" is supposed "to mean."
You have nothing intelligent to say, so instead just get personal.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 01, 2025, 01:31:51 PMMax Langenfeld
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65586.msg1653067#msg1653067
IIRC it fell apart in the final hours.
That was the equivalent of a high school recruit (he was a freshman at FAU this year), not a portal player.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:14:50 PMBut not wrong.
Shouldn't wanting an improved roster be something everyone can agree on?
Yes. I trust Shaka to do so in the way he feels best.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:38:25 PMThat was the equivalent of a high school recruit (he was a freshman at FAU this year), not a portal player.
Freshman eligibility wise, but played with professionals in Germany.
Looking at Rocky's Portal Website.
UCLA's Mara in portal Arizona's Veesaar in portal. Clemson Big Man Reevs in Portal TCU Big Udeh in Portal Mississippi State Jeremy Foumena6'11 235 in Portal Among many other Bigs
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 01, 2025, 01:41:18 PMFreshman eligibility wise, but played with professionals in Germany.
Still not a portal player.
Also, he's a 6'6" wing who appeared in six games this year for FAU, averaging 8.5 minutes per game.
I doubt very much Shaka was looking at him as a contributor this year.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 01, 2025, 01:15:56 PMMeechie Johnson started his career at Ohio State and then transferred to South Carolina.
He then transferred from South Carolina back to Ohio State.
He now has transferred from Ohio State back to South Carolina.
https://x.com/CBB_Central/status/1907126063685099785?t=nLeacYZxmWDzWmNBkjl95w&s=19
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1907127113284510162?t=ElFKxvixg6-1sp5zGvLwbA&s=19
He's undecided and just can't pick the right place.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:14:50 PMBut not wrong.
Shouldn't wanting an improved roster be something everyone can agree on?
Shaka seems to think "improving the roster" means retaining the players he recruited and believing in their development. Other coaches seem to think "improving the roster" means getting players out of the portal.
Like I said, there are multiple ways to win in college basketball. Crying because Shaka doesn't do it the way you see best is getting old.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 01, 2025, 01:41:18 PMFreshman eligibility wise, but played with professionals in Germany.
Was there anybody else besides Langenfeld? And I don't have a problem with Shaka staying away from the portal last year with the team he had coming back, but this year seems like a good time to leverage the portal.
Quote from: LAZER on April 01, 2025, 01:55:35 PMWas there anybody else besides Langenfeld? And I don't have a problem with Shaka staying away from the portal last year with the team he had coming back, but this year seems like a good time to leverage the portal.
You can go back and look through threads, but I do not recall anyone being rumored to MU. So he used the last scholarship on another project big.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2025, 01:54:08 PMShaka seems to think "improving the roster" means retaining the players he recruited and believing in their development. Other coaches seem to think "improving the roster" means getting players out of the portal.
Like I said, there are multiple ways to win in college basketball. Crying because Shaka doesn't do it the way you see best is getting old.
Personally, I don't think it needs to be an either/or. Certainly he could add talent through the portal while simultaneously developing the guys he recruited.
Quote from: LAZER on April 01, 2025, 01:58:01 PMPersonally, I don't think it needs to be an either/or. Certainly he could add talent through the portal while simultaneously developing the guys he recruited.
Sure. But until Shaka isn't competing for the NCAA Tournament I'll just not cry every time I see a big name in the portal commit somewhere that isn't Marquette.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:47:24 PMStill not a portal player.
Also, he's a 6'6" wing who appeared in six games this year for FAU, averaging 8.5 minutes per game.
I doubt very much Shaka was looking at him as a contributor this year.
But not a "high school" recruit either. He was an international recruit. I'd put it in between the two. He had 4 years of eligibility similar to a high school recruit but had experience against professionals.
Quote from: LAZER on April 01, 2025, 01:58:01 PMPersonally, I don't think it needs to be an either/or. Certainly he could add talent through the portal while simultaneously developing the guys he recruited.
Exactly this.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2025, 01:54:08 PMShaka seems to think "improving the roster" means retaining the players he recruited and believing in their development. Other coaches seem to think "improving the roster" means getting players out of the portal.
Like I said, there are multiple ways to win in college basketball. Crying because Shaka doesn't do it the way you see best is getting old.
Sigh.
Nobody is crying. It's a discussion forum. People are discussing things. Not every idea that isn't yours is crying.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2025, 01:59:53 PMSure. But until Shaka isn't competing for the NCAA Tournament I'll just not cry every time I see a big name in the portal commit somewhere that isn't Marquette.
Does the CoS have set requirements for only replying in a condescending manner?
Quote from: lake on April 01, 2025, 02:06:52 PMDoes the CoS have set requirements for only replying in a condescending manner?
Ironic that someone would use something as lame as "COS" and then complain about OTHERS being condescending. ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 02:04:15 PMExactly this.
But, we are not losing contributors or expected contributors in the portal either. If Shaka was active in the portal, would that change the equation? Perhaps. Anyway, not sure why that is not part of the discussion.
Grass wasn't greener
https://x.com/tiptonedits/status/1907149048349364353?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on April 01, 2025, 02:15:02 PMGrass wasn't greener
https://x.com/tiptonedits/status/1907149048349364353?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
For the most part he seemed a bit out of his element there.
Quote from: RJax55 on April 01, 2025, 02:10:25 PMBut, we are not losing contributors or expected contributors in the portal either. If Shaka was active in the portal, would that change the equation? Perhaps. Anyway, not sure why that is not part of the discussion.
I'm not sure that matters. Is using the portal only wise/necessary when you lose players to the portal?
We're losing high-end players to graduation and replacing them with question marks.
Will Sean Jones not only look like himself pre-injury, but be a better version of himself to be given the keys to the offense?
Can Tre Norman bounce back, or is this who he is?
Can Parham at least replicate what Joplin provided?
Can Owens figure it out?
I can't be the only one who'd be more comfortable with a proven commodity in the post next year instead of just crossing our fingers and hope ... what? Ben hits the weight room really hard and adds at least a little variety to his game? Caedin Hamilton takes a massive leap? Josh Clark is a revelation, the way Hamilton was supposed to be this year?
Sure, all those things
could happen. But hope isn't a strategy.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 02:29:41 PMI'm not sure that matters. Is using the portal only wise/necessary when you lose players to the portal?
We're losing high-end players to graduation and replacing them with question marks.
Will Sean Jones not only look like himself pre-injury, but be a better version of himself to be given the keys to the offense?
Can Tre Norman bounce back, or is this who he is?
Can Parham at least replicate what Joplin provided?
Can Owens figure it out?
I can't be the only one who'd be more comfortable with a proven commodity in the post next year instead of just crossing our fingers and hope ... what? Ben hits the weight room really hard and adds at least a little variety to his game? Caedin Hamilton takes a massive leap? Josh Clark is a revelation, the way Hamilton was supposed to be this year?
Sure, all those things could happen. But hope isn't a strategy.
I'm not saying this will happen again but in 2023 did you foresee us sweeping the big east titles and getting a 2 seed after losing Darryl Kur and Justin?
It'd be great to pull in portal guys but if not pulling them in gets these guys a ton of experience and we're back as a protected seed in 2027 then I'm here for it.
Quote from: RJax55 on April 01, 2025, 02:10:25 PMBut, we are not losing contributors or expected contributors in the portal either. If Shaka was active in the portal, would that change the equation? Perhaps. Anyway, not sure why that is not part of the discussion.
It should definitely be part of the discussion and I guess it comes down to who the expected contributors are. Are you concerned with taking away minutes from Jones/Norman at PG or minutes away from Hamilton/Clark at C? Personally, those are two spots I'd look to add and if the guys I mentioned miss out on minutes, I'd be ok with it. Understand that a transfer is far from a sure thing, but it's a risk I'd be willing to take.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2025, 02:34:04 PMI'm not saying this will happen again but in 2023 did you foresee us sweeping the big east titles and getting a 2 seed after losing Darryl Kur and Justin?
It'd be great to pull in portal guys but if not pulling them in gets these guys a ton of experience and we're back as a protected seed in 2027 then I'm here for it.
I think there was quite the difference between 2023 and next year:
Omax was a top 20 power forward coming out of high school and was not being used right at Clemson. Kolek was freshman of the year in A10. We saw that Kam could be good his freshman year.
Next year, we have Tre Norman, who has regressed. We have Sean Jones, who will not have played in nearly 2 years. And we do not have anyone that has shown they can consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 02:40:10 PMI think there was quite the difference between 2023 and next year:
Omax was a top 20 power forward coming out of high school and was not being used right at Clemson. Kolek was freshman of the year in A10. We saw that Kam could be good his freshman year.
Next year, we have Tre Norman, who has regressed. We have Sean Jones, who will not have played in nearly 2 years. And we do not have anyone that has shown they can consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
I think you are using a lot of hindsight here.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2025, 02:41:35 PMI think you are using a lot of hindsight here.
Not at all - going into 2023, you could look at the predictive metrics and see we were going to be better than what people were saying. Alan wrote on this and called it out before the season started.
Assuming we get zero xfers, our metrics will not be as strong going into next year as they were heading into 2023.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 02:29:41 PMI'm not sure that matters. Is using the portal only wise/necessary when you lose players to the portal?
We're losing high-end players to graduation and replacing them with question marks.
Will Sean Jones not only look like himself pre-injury, but be a better version of himself to be given the keys to the offense?
Can Tre Norman bounce back, or is this who he is?
Can Parham at least replicate what Joplin provided?
Can Owens figure it out?
I can't be the only one who'd be more comfortable with a proven commodity in the post next year instead of just crossing our fingers and hope ... what? Ben hits the weight room really hard and adds at least a little variety to his game? Caedin Hamilton takes a massive leap? Josh Clark is a revelation, the way Hamilton was supposed to be this year?
Sure, all those things could happen. But hope isn't a strategy.
I've said this before but you'd have been clamoring to use the portal going into the 22-23 season with all of the question marks surrounding that team.
How did that season turn out?
Now, I'm certainly not saying to expect a protected seed next year but it's pretty f'n clear that Shaka's strategy is not "hope".
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2025, 02:34:04 PMI'm not saying this will happen again but in 2023 did you foresee us sweeping the big east titles and getting a 2 seed after losing Darryl Kur and Justin?
It'd be great to pull in portal guys but if not pulling them in gets these guys a ton of experience and we're back as a protected seed in 2027 then I'm here for it.
I nearly mentioned this in my post because I expected this response.
You're not wrong. Something similar could happen. But I think the cast of returning players from 2022-23 was far more proven than this group.
TK started 32 games the previous year and led the Big East in assists. There were questions about whether his shooting would ever come around, but there was no doubt he was a starting quality BE point guard.
Kam was unanimous all-newcomer team. It was obvious he was going to be a good one.
OMax, Oso and Stevie were less known qualities, but all showed more than the current group of young players outside of Zaide.
So, yeah, definitely some similarities, but I think the questions are much larger with next year's group than that one.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 02:40:10 PMI think there was quite the difference between 2023 and next year:
Omax was a top 20 power forward coming out of high school and was not being used right at Clemson. Kolek was freshman of the year in A10. We saw that Kam could be good his freshman year.
Next year, we have Tre Norman, who has regressed. We have Sean Jones, who will not have played in nearly 2 years. And we do not have anyone that has shown they can consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
We didn't have anyone going into 22-23 that had remotely shown they could consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 02:53:09 PMWe didn't have anyone going into 22-23 that had remotely shown they could consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
We will have to agree to disagree, but we had more talent on that 22-23 roster than next year. We will have to wait to kenpom is updated for next year to compare, but the reason the numbers nerds were so excited about 22-23 was because the numbers were saying something different than what the media was.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1907161093367058733
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 02:53:09 PMWe didn't have anyone going into 22-23 that had remotely shown they could consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
Yeah, Big East coaches picked us to finish 9th, and it wasn't because they just didn't like the "Pray" video.
Even the guys who turned out to be NBAers: Kolek couldn't shoot, couldn't go right, turned the ball over too much, had no float game; Oso had shown zero offensive ability and was skinny; Offensively, OMax was mostly known for falling on the floor and being a bad ballhandler. Plus, Stevie was an offensive liability and Joplin was not exactly a 5-star incoming freshman.
None of which means that Shaka shouldn't consider a transfer or two this offseason, BTW.
I have to believe the biggest issue of MU not using the portal is that MUSCOOP cannot comment on it. What fun is that?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 02:50:08 PMI nearly mentioned this in my post because I expected this response.
You're not wrong. Something similar could happen. But I think the cast of returning players from 2022-23 was far more proven than this group.
TK started 32 games the previous year and led the Big East in assists. There were questions about whether his shooting would ever come around, but there was no doubt he was a starting quality BE point guard.
Kam was unanimous all-newcomer team. It was obvious he was going to be a good one.
OMax, Oso and Stevie were less known qualities, but all showed more than the current group of young players outside of Zaide.
So, yeah, definitely some similarities, but I think the questions are much larger with next year's group than that one.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 02:40:10 PMI think there was quite the difference between 2023 and next year:
Omax was a top 20 power forward coming out of high school and was not being used right at Clemson. Kolek was freshman of the year in A10. We saw that Kam could be good his freshman year.
Next year, we have Tre Norman, who has regressed. We have Sean Jones, who will not have played in nearly 2 years. And we do not have anyone that has shown they can consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
Regarding Omax: Wait till you find out was Damarius Owens was... let alone that Zaide was 23rd.
Kolek I agree but Sean despite not having played in awhile is a proven commodity.
Chase is a proven veteran player that should more than compensate for Kam.
Ben has shown more at this point than Oso had going into his junior year.
Again I'm not saying we're going to be a 2 seed and sweep the titles or that it's a perfect comp but to act like the sky is falling and there's no precedent for success after not going into the portal is absurd.
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 01, 2025, 03:17:43 PMI have to believe the biggest issue of MU not using the portal is that MUSCOOP cannot comment on it. What fun is that?
Oh we're commenting
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:15:03 PMWe will have to agree to disagree, but we had more talent on that 22-23 roster than next year. We will have to wait to kenpom is updated for next year to compare, but the reason the numbers nerds were so excited about 22-23 was because the numbers were saying something different than what the media was.
Comparing returning talent is a different argument and, is in part, hindsight driven, IMO.
The fact remains that our leading returning scorer was Kam at 7 PPG. Kolek was coming off a year where he could not shoot. Oso was a solid back-up 5.
There were a TON of legitimate questions about that team going into the season.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2025, 03:22:00 PMAgain I'm not saying we're going to be a 2 seed and sweep the titles or that it's a perfect comp but to act like the sky is falling and there's no precedent for success after not going into the portal is absurd.
I'd also add, again, that we don't know that Shaka isn't pursuing players via the portal. Everything, for the most part, is happening behind closed doors. It is April 1st, portal season has weeks to run, we could very well still land someone that hasn't been mentioned here at all.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2025, 03:22:00 PMRegarding Omax: Wait till you find out was Damarius Owens was... let alone that Zaide was 23rd.
Kolek I agree but Sean despite not having played in awhile is a proven commodity.
Chase is a proven veteran player that should more than compensate for Kam.
Ben has shown more at this point than Oso had going into his junior year.
Again I'm not saying we're going to be a 2 seed and sweep the titles or that it's a perfect comp but to act like the sky is falling and there's no precedent for success after not going into the portal is absurd.
Chase is a good player, but he will not fully take the place of Kam. Sean is not a proven commodity at this point, as he has not played in 2 years. Ben is not Oso - Oso is a NBA player. Ben has not shown NBA talent to date and he is a turnstile on defense against any competent big man. Owens has the ability to be Omax like, but of course has to prove it.
The sky is not falling, but next years team for me, is the true transition year that many thought this past year would be. But we will have to wait to November to see if that is the case.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 03:27:50 PMComparing returning talent is a different argument and, is in part, hindsight driven, IMO.
The fact remains that our leading returning scorer was Kam at 7 PPG. Kolek was coming off a year where he could shoot. Oso was a solid back-up 5.
There were a TON of legitimate questions about that team going into the season.
It is not hindsight driven if you look at the metrics from the pre season. That 22-23 team had much better metrics than what people were saying about them. We will have to wait until next year to see what the metrics look like on next years team.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 02:06:08 PMSigh.
Nobody is crying. It's a discussion forum. People are discussing things. Not every idea that isn't yours is crying.
But when every time a new big name pops up in the portal comes with a "Well wouldn't he look nice in MU colors?" or a big name in the portal commits somewhere and it's met with, "Huh, imagine attempting to improve your roster!" it definitely gets to the point of crying. I don't remember you being much of a whiner before the late season slide. But you've definitely been crying a lot here recently.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 02:29:41 PMI'm not sure that matters. Is using the portal only wise/necessary when you lose players to the portal?
We're losing high-end players to graduation and replacing them with question marks.
Will Sean Jones not only look like himself pre-injury, but be a better version of himself to be given the keys to the offense?
Can Tre Norman bounce back, or is this who he is?
Can Parham at least replicate what Joplin provided?
Can Owens figure it out?
I can't be the only one who'd be more comfortable with a proven commodity in the post next year instead of just crossing our fingers and hope ... what? Ben hits the weight room really hard and adds at least a little variety to his game? Caedin Hamilton takes a massive leap? Josh Clark is a revelation, the way Hamilton was supposed to be this year?
Sure, all those things could happen. But hope isn't a strategy.
I'm guessing Shaka's seen these guys and has an idea of whether they can compete at a BE level or not. He's been doing this for a while, and pretty successfully. Shaka's a competitive guy. He's a successful guy. He's not just blindly crossing his fingers and hoping. He knows what he has. The next time he doesn't at least meet expectations, and the next time he doesn't make the Tournament, at MU will be the first. Until then, giving him the benefit of the doubt is fair.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:31:34 PMChase is a good player, but he will not fully take the place of Kam.
That's not the argument I'm making, the question at hand is whether he's comparable to Kam returning from Sophomore year. Absolutely he is.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:31:34 PMBen is not Oso - Oso is a NBA player. Ben has not shown NBA talent to date and he is a turnstile on defense against any competent big man.
Oso after 2022 was not Oso either. Again the argument you're making is these players after the 2023 season. It's not the argument I made. Ben at this moment is a more proven player than Oso going into 2023
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:31:34 PMOwens has the ability to be Omax like, but of course has to prove it.
Similar to how Omax had to. If you use the argument of Omax's recruiting rankings as proof to a players potential and reasoning why we weren't panicking back then, then that same logic should apply to Owens.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:31:34 PMSean is not a proven commodity at this point, as he has not played in 2 years.
He is. The fact is he has 49 D1 basketball games under his belt and was averaging a decent chunk of minutes (12 Fr yr and 16 So yr). He might not be the same player, but he is a proven player. Maybe we have different definitions of the term. I wouldn't call Tre a proven player for example.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:31:34 PMThe sky is not falling, but next years team for me, is the true transition year that many thought this past year would be. But we will have to wait to November to see if that is the case.
Agree 100%, I think Shaka has enough proof in his pudding to earn doubling down on it this year. If it fails then time to pivot
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2025, 03:22:00 PMAgain I'm not saying we're going to be a 2 seed and sweep the titles or that it's a perfect comp but to act like the sky is falling and there's no precedent for success after not going into the portal is absurd.
I'm pretty sure neither I or Biz are doing this.
https://x.com/portal_updates/status/1907182571353452547?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MU82 on April 01, 2025, 03:17:22 PMNone of which means that Shaka shouldn't consider a transfer or two this offseason, BTW.
I like the way Shaka has been doing things and it's hard to argue with his results (2025 excepted). Other than his needing to find transfers to field a team his first year, this would seem to be the point in time that would make a transfer necessary and desirable - and I think it can be accomplished without destroying team chemistry. He has the board numbers from what we did this year and can easily project what that will likely mean for next year.
He's said he might use the portal to replace outgoing players. Does this extend to Big AL?
Knowing what we know now, how would you predict the order next year's Big East teams?
My gut feeling is the Big East may only get three bids. I can see MU finishing in the top 3.
Quote from: bilsu on April 01, 2025, 05:04:49 PMKnowing what we know now, how would you predict the order next year's Big East teams?
My gut feeling is the Big East may only get three bids. I can see MU finishing in the top 3.
I'll just assume SJU, MU, Creighton, and UCONN are going to be good until they aren't with Pitino, Shaka, McDermott, and Hurley running those programs.
It's impossible to know what rosters will look like going into next season at this point. Willard seems like a guy who should be able to land some decent transfers, so maybe they can be a bubble type team next year. Pitino Jr. will have a complete rebuild. Georgetown could be a bubble type team depending on who stays and who comes in. Butler has a nice recruiting class and just landed a high scoring mid major transfer. Holtmann has DePaul heading in the right direction, but doubt they're a Tourney team in year 2.
If I had to blindly guess I'd say 5 bids for the BE.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:34:17 PMIt is not hindsight driven if you look at the metrics from the pre season. That 22-23 team had much better metrics than what people were saying about them. We will have to wait until next year to see what the metrics look like on next years team.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:15:03 PMWe will have to agree to disagree, but we had more talent on that 22-23 roster than next year. We will have to wait to kenpom is updated for next year to compare, but the reason the numbers nerds were so excited about 22-23 was because the numbers were saying something different than what the media was.
What are you talking about? KenPom ranked us 76th in the preseason metrics that year. I have no idea what we will be ranked preseason next year but it will likely be higher
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 01, 2025, 05:48:42 PMWhat are you talking about? KenPom ranked us 76th in the preseason metrics that year. I have no idea what we will be ranked preseason next year but it will likely be higher
Thank you.
Nice get for Butler. A guy I'd mentioned as being someone I'd MU could get as a scoring PG
https://x.com/DushawnLondon1/status/1907130605860426214?t=RXlsu4hrnkDUhODBpuJeLA&s=19
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 01, 2025, 07:17:30 PMNice get for Butler. A guy I'd mentioned as being someone I'd MU could get as a scoring PG
https://x.com/DushawnLondon1/status/1907130605860426214?t=RXlsu4hrnkDUhODBpuJeLA&s=19
Yeah. You've mentioned a lot of guys who you think would look good at MU. Wish MU would hire you as a GM at minimum.
If Elon wants a return on investment in Wisconsin, may I recommend a $26M donation to the Be The Difference NIL fund
The day will come when what happened to Izzo happens to Shaka. And then Shaka will have to use the portal.
What is interesting to me is how little chatter there has been about Shaka, other than early UVA. Perhaps his portal/NIL stance has made him less attractive to the power 4 schools.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2025, 06:28:07 AMThe day will come when what happened to Izzo happens to Shaka. And then Shaka will have to use the portal.
What is interesting to me is how little chatter there has been about Shaka, other than early UVA. Perhaps his portal/NIL stance has made him less attractive to the power 4 schools.
I'm surprised there isn't more chatter about Shaka keeping all his players when you look at what happened to Izzo.
It probably helps that he turns down jobs like UK and UVA, and schools know they can't get him. I would also think it helps to know he isn't going to place more value in the portal than on current player development. Makes me appreciate him even more when you see guys like Buzz running from their current positions. I think next year will be a little bumpy, but I'm looking forward to the years to follow.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 02, 2025, 06:46:26 AMI'm surprised there isn't more chatter about Shaka keeping all his players when you look at what happened to Izzo.
It probably helps that he turns down jobs like UK and UVA, and schools know they can't get him. I would also think it helps to know he isn't going to place more value in the portal than on current player development. Makes me appreciate him even more when you see guys like Buzz running from their current positions. I think next year will be a little bumpy, but I'm looking forward to the years to follow.
One of these days, instead of saying that the answer will take more time than we have, I would like him to take 20 minutes and really lay out his thoughts. We can piece them together, but I would like to hear it delivered power point lecture style.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2025, 06:28:07 AMThe day will come when what happened to Izzo happens to Shaka. And then Shaka will have to use the portal.
What is interesting to me is how little chatter there has been about Shaka, other than early UVA. Perhaps his portal/NIL stance has made him less attractive to the power 4 schools.
The "chatter" about Shaka and McDermott just comes from the media and their disrespect of the Big East as a non-football conference. The people who actually work in college sports and know college hoops know Shaka has everything he wants at MU and isn't interested in getting back into a situation similar to Texas.
Billy, I agree. And perhaps that is becoming more widely accepted. Hence my comment on the lack of chatter.
Not surprised
https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1907238958100025742?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on April 02, 2025, 10:47:49 AMNot surprised
https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1907238958100025742?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
More surprising we aren't reaching out. Anyone know if we didn't go after him because of a culture thing?
It seems he would be another project that Shaka already said no once before
I just need to remind people that most transfers are in the portal because they kinda suck.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 02, 2025, 10:51:57 AMMore surprising we aren't reaching out. Anyone know if we didn't go after him because of a culture thing?
Actually that was my not surprised......that we apparently aren't recruiting him in the portal.
Either he said no the first time or Shaka cooled on him.......either way somebody else got that spot.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 02, 2025, 10:57:47 AMI just need to remind people that most transfers are in the portal because they kinda suck.
Yes, the majority of players in the portal are in the portal because they couldn't get PT a their current school.
On the other hand, seven of the 10 consensus first- and second-team all-Americans this year were transfers.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 02, 2025, 10:51:57 AMMore surprising we aren't reaching out. Anyone know if we didn't go after him because of a culture thing?
If no one is leaving, MU has plenty at the 2-3 position.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 02, 2025, 10:55:46 AMIt seems he would be another project that Shaka already said no once before
This is accurate.
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 01, 2025, 09:08:59 PMIf Elon wants a return on investment in Wisconsin, may I recommend a $26M donation to the Be The Difference NIL fund
Not even Dybantsa would be worth that motherf*cker embarrassing us courtside
Quote from: dpucane on April 02, 2025, 11:39:50 AMNot even Dybantsa would be worth that motherf*cker embarrassing us courtside
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Feel like he and Jimmy would have been friends
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 02, 2025, 08:28:28 AMThe "chatter" about Shaka and McDermott just comes from the media and their disrespect of the Big East as a non-football conference. The people who actually work in college sports and know college hoops know Shaka has everything he wants at MU and isn't interested in getting back into a situation similar to Texas.
I would not be surprised if McDermott floats his name out there to improve his situation at Creighton.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 02, 2025, 10:55:46 AMIt seems he would be another project that Shaka already said no once before
A 4 star recruit is considered a project by Shaka/you?
Quote from: willie warrior on April 02, 2025, 01:52:29 PMA 4 star recruit is considered a project by Shaka/you?
Balderdash
Quote from: willie warrior on April 02, 2025, 01:52:29 PMA 4 star recruit is considered a project by Shaka/you?
Let's see, Norman 4 Star, Fretig 4 Star, Abraham 4 Star, what do they all have in common, all look good on the bench. Sometimes rankings mean nothing.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 02, 2025, 02:45:00 PMLet's see, Norman 4 Star, Fretig 4 Star, Abraham 4 Star, what do they all have in common, all look good on the bench. Sometimes rankings mean nothing.
And sometimes freshman take time to adjust to the college game.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2025, 02:57:13 PMAnd sometimes freshman take time to adjust to the college game.
That's not true at all
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2025, 02:57:34 PMThat's not true at all
Yep. As Al once said "The best thing about freshmen is that they are very good players."
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2025, 03:00:21 PMYep. As Al once said "The best thing about freshmen is that they are very good players."
Look at Jim Chones
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2025, 03:06:53 PMLook at Jim Chones
Especially that day he went against Alcindor.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2025, 03:06:53 PMLook at Jim Chones
Let's not forget Dwyane Wade. He was invisible on the court his freshman year.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 02, 2025, 03:10:16 PMLet's not forget Dwyane Wade. He was invisible on the court his freshman year.
Almost Ramsey like
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on April 02, 2025, 03:11:25 PMAlmost Ramsey like
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Tap the brakes, pal
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2025, 02:57:13 PMAnd sometimes freshman take time to adjust to the college game.
How about a sophomore, hope the light turns on next year!
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 02, 2025, 03:32:08 PMHow about a sophomore, hope the light turns on next year!
It won't
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2025, 03:33:36 PMIt won't
Like Al once said "The best thing about sophomores is they transfer outta here."
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2025, 03:35:11 PMLike Al once said "The best thing about sophomores is they transfer outta here."
That's why he cut Jim Chones
McNeeley to the draft.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44492234/uconn-mcneeley-headed-draft-strong-freshman-season
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Looks like UW plugged 2 of the 3 holes in their starting lineup today with double digit ppg Senior guards via the portal. We'll get to watch Maryland and IU essentially put together rosters from scratch. Hopefully the development is coming along nicely because the competition we will be playing against is starting to load up.
Kind of surprised UW has turned into a program highly reliant on the portal.
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 02, 2025, 04:36:30 PMLooks like UW plugged 2 of the 3 holes in their starting lineup today with double digit ppg Senior guards via the portal. We'll get to watch Maryland and IU essentially put together rosters from scratch. Hopefully the development is coming along nicely because the competition we will be playing against is starting to load up.
About our true high major opponent... Dayton
As long as we play the portal reliant teams early in the year, we are OK. Once you get beyond early to mid-January the tables turn. Good news for ched and buzz games.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 02, 2025, 04:25:58 PMNever saw him play as a Freshman.
Too bad. He was majestic!
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2025, 05:08:17 PMToo bad. He was majestic!
Apparently. I guess I missed that season.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 02, 2025, 04:38:16 PMKind of surprised UW has turned into a program highly reliant on the portal.
Gard doesn't like playing freshman.
Quote from: Jockey on April 02, 2025, 05:52:25 PMGard doesn't like playing freshman.
Or freshman that smoke dope nonstop
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2025, 05:08:17 PMToo bad. He was majestic!
Majestic is the perfect adjective. I watched him on the court in awe.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 02, 2025, 04:38:16 PMKind of surprised UW has turned into a program highly reliant on the portal.
It has been interesting to see Gard evolve.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 02, 2025, 06:18:32 PMIt has been interesting to see Gard evolve.
Rent a player SMH
Gard always gets it done ... as evidenced by his 3 NCAA Tournament wins in the last 8 years.
Quote from: MU82 on April 02, 2025, 07:12:44 PMGard always gets it done ... as evidenced by his 3 NCAA Tournament wins in the last 8 years.
Is that bad?
in maybe the most shocking news involving Portal, AJ Storr is transferring from Kansas. Going back to high school that will mean eight schools in eight years.
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/1907808903787639131
He is after as much money as he can make now.
Quote from: tower912 on April 03, 2025, 10:55:32 AMHe is after as much money as he can make now.
a school can take a shot with him this time around knowing he's definitely a one year player for them.
Kansas must have cut his salary!
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 02, 2025, 04:36:30 PMLooks like UW plugged 2 of the 3 holes in their starting lineup today with double digit ppg Senior guards via the portal. We'll get to watch Maryland and IU essentially put together rosters from scratch. Hopefully the development is coming along nicely because the competition we will be playing against is starting to load up.
Agree. One them won a high school championship on that floor and his Dad was the kicker for them. But our state needs a playoff college football team more.
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 02, 2025, 04:36:30 PMLooks like UW plugged 2 of the 3 holes in their starting lineup today with double digit ppg Senior guards via the portal. We'll get to watch Maryland and IU essentially put together rosters from scratch. Hopefully the development is coming along nicely because the competition we will be playing against is starting to load up.
Who did they get? I'm having a hard time finding this news.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 03, 2025, 11:44:00 AMWho did they get? I'm having a hard time finding this news.
Nick Boyd of SDSU has a crystal ball prediction to UW, but that's not for sure yet. No clue on the other?
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 03, 2025, 11:58:07 AMNick Boyd of SDSU has a crystal ball prediction to UW, but that's not for sure yet. No clue on the other?
Andrew Rohde from Virginia...originally St. Thomas. Brookfield native.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 03, 2025, 11:58:07 AMNick Boyd of SDSU has a crystal ball prediction to UW, but that's not for sure yet. No clue on the other?
I read they recently had WCC freshman of the year, Aussie Rapp on an official earlier this week as well. Seems like a prototypical Badger player: https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1902046754209513608
Gard knows ball.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 03, 2025, 11:44:00 AMWho did they get? I'm having a hard time finding this news.
Ah could have sworn I saw Boyd was official from a legit account. May have been mistaken.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 03, 2025, 12:01:06 PMAndrew Rohde from Virginia...originally St. Thomas. Brookfield native.
Will be interesting how his Big East roots at his first stop translate to the Big Ten.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 03, 2025, 01:06:23 PMWill be interesting how his Big East roots at his first stop translate to the Big Ten.
Between his St. Thomas roots, and Greg Gard as coach, Marquette's going to lose by 30 next year.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 03, 2025, 01:10:07 PMBetween his St. Thomas roots, and Greg Gard as coach, Marquette's going to lose by 30 next year.
Kids a winner
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 03, 2025, 01:14:04 PMKids a winner
We all need to say a prayer for Viper. His Christmas is going to be terrible.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 03, 2025, 01:17:20 PMWe all need to say a prayer for Viper. His Christmas is going to be terrible.
He has the greatest economy ever to celibate
Quote from: 🏀 on April 03, 2025, 04:07:09 PMCannot confirm. We have not talked.
Do you enjoy being shot close to the hoop, far from the hoop, or the true goldilocks option: just right.
Boyd is a nice pick up if they get him. Rohde is whatever, he took a big step back when he moved up to the ACC and he was just alright on a bad UVA team. He'll be another Klesmit...so lower end of average player in the B10 who manages to score 20+ against Marquette and be a bum against every other good team.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 03, 2025, 11:34:26 AMKansas must have cut his salary!
Probably more of an outright release
Just saw a headline saying UConn landed PORTAL SUPERSTAR SILAS DEMARY JR!
The guy averaged 13.5 ppg on 39.6% shooting, 3.9 rpg, 3.1 apg and 2.5 turnovers at Georgia.
Good for UConn landing a decent player who will probably get better under Hurley. But superstar? At least one Scooper wouldn't even consider him "significant contributor" material.
nice pick-up for Creighton and the Big East.
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1908164252696793386
Their third impact Portal addition:
https://x.com/HolyLandofHoops/status/1908165636804514263
Greg McDermott really looking at getting back to his roots of having great offense and terrible defense.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 04, 2025, 09:36:52 AMGreg McDermott really looking at getting back to his roots of having great offense and terrible defense.
That strategy got Alabama to the Elite Eight this past season.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 04, 2025, 10:15:13 AMThat strategy got Alabama to the Elite Eight this past season.
You keep saying this, but that's not the reality here. They finished the year with the 27th ranked defensive rating in KenPom (2 spots worse than Marquette's) and 26th in adjusted defensive efficiency at Torvik (5 spots better than Marquette's). Not elite, but certainly not "terrible."
Is there anyone good still left in the Transfer Portal?
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 04, 2025, 10:51:35 AMIs there anyone good still left in the Transfer Portal?
Yes.
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 04, 2025, 10:51:35 AMIs there anyone good still left in the Transfer Portal?
plumbers and firemen
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2025, 10:52:07 AMYes.
Maybe Sean will decide to come back to Marquette.
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 04, 2025, 10:51:35 AMIs there anyone good still left in the Transfer Portal?
Chris Hodges
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 04, 2025, 11:31:56 AMChris Hodges
Nah, we need Craig Hodges and Bob Lanier, so I have heard.
Jason Edwards is a good portal pick up for Providence.
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 04, 2025, 10:51:35 AMIs there anyone good still left in the Transfer Portal?
No more Dix
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 04, 2025, 09:36:52 AMGreg McDermott really looking at getting back to his roots of having great offense and terrible defense.
So their likely 2 best players next year are from an Iowa team that barely made the Big Ten Tournament?
Like the old saying goes, "speak softly and carry a big schtick."
Quaintance?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 04, 2025, 09:33:10 AMnice pick-up for Creighton and the Big East.
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1908164252696793386
Their third impact Portal addition:
https://x.com/HolyLandofHoops/status/1908165636804514263
So Dix out for Iowa, and Creighton got Dix in Omaha. Got it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 04, 2025, 12:40:58 PMSo Dix out for Iowa, and Creighton got Dix in Omaha. Got it.
McDermott will be sorry when he can't claim a moral victory at the end of the year
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 04, 2025, 12:40:58 PMSo Dix out for Iowa, and Creighton got Dix in Omaha. Got it.
Perfect! Scoopers are easily entertained in the off season. Yeah,
I know....and during the bball season as well.
Ben will get bullied by this dude. 6'9" - 260 lbs. Absolutely dominated in the NCAA Tournament for A&M.
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1908268035267248536?t=QDp0bRcjylLxV5XFK49RJg&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 04, 2025, 04:23:17 PMBen will get bullied by this dude. 6'9" - 260 lbs. Absolutely dominated in the NCAA Tournament for A&M.
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1908268035267248536?t=QDp0bRcjylLxV5XFK49RJg&s=19
I'm worried.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2025, 04:24:29 PMI'm worried.
Terrified, actually. Need to probably ask out of the game
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2025, 04:24:29 PMI'm worried.
I actually feel bad for Benny. Playing out of position ran him into the ground this season.
At least he doesn't play for Radford.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 04, 2025, 04:29:04 PMAt least he doesn't play for Radford.
Give it 5 or 6 years. Buzz could end up there.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 04, 2025, 04:26:24 PMTerrified, actually. Need to probably ask out of the game
I was hoping Buzz would be scared to come back to Milwaukee. Got out before the bullets got him, and now he has to come back into this war zone? Come on Buzz. Save Ben the embarrassment. Shaka playing him out of position is putting Ben's health at risk. Roster and medical malpractice all at once.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2025, 04:53:12 PMI was hoping Buzz would be scared to come back to Milwaukee. Got out before the bullets got him, and now he has to come back into this war zone? Come on Buzz. Save Ben the embarrassment. Shaka playing him out of position is putting Ben's health at risk. Roster and medical malpractice all at once.
Play the game in Mequon, for chrissakes
Shaka believes in development, Ben's going to gain 20 pounds of muscle over the summer and get a mean streak, so I can dream!
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 05:21:28 PMShaka believes in development, Ben's going to gain 20 pounds of muscle over the summer and get a mean streak, so I can dream!
I do not want to see any more Kiwi Kindness Ben. I want to see Kiwi Kickass. Ben.
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1908304413304766916?t=NYMCU1GTUDUGxP2ElF8DTg&s=19
At least the Badgers are trying to improve!
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:14:06 PMAt least the Badgers are trying to improve!
You whine a lot.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:14:06 PMAt least the Badgers are trying to improve!
100%.
Heard Shaka and the team aren't even starting on conditioning until October 15th.
It was the main condition of Sean coming back.
#lazy
I like whining as I want to win badly and I do not see that with the team coming back
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:40:52 PMI like whining as I want to win badly and I do not see that with the team coming back
Hopefully whatever D1 program's fans your currently 6th grade grandson eventually plays on (top ranked player in his class, after all) go easier on him than you do on MU's players.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:40:52 PMI like whining as I want to win badly and I do not see that with the team coming back
Shocking. Perpetually negative guy stays negative.
I can talk on this board more then I can talk to my grandson, even his father can barely talk to him, he listens to Joe Chapman! And that is fine
I look at the landscape of college basketball and I am more optimistic than ever about growth, development, and retention. Can't wait to see what the next 6 months of development brings.
Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2025, 08:55:46 PMI look at the landscape of college basketball and I am more optimistic than ever about growth, development, and retention. Can't wait to see what the next 6 months of development brings.
Tower you are the most positive person on this board, hope your right and I am wrong!
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:53:29 PMI can talk on this board more then I can talk to my grandson, even his father can barely talk to him, he listens to Joe Chapman! And that is fine
Cool.
All of the following are rough ballpark figures. Sharpshoot all you want, but my conclusion stands.
Roughly 4000 division 1 basketball players. (351 × 13)
Roughly 1/4 (maybe slightly higher due to COVID year) used up their eligibility.
Of the remaining 3k- ish 1800+ are in the portal.
70% of the players in D1 will not be in the same place next year.
MU lost Amadou so far. Hopefully he is it.
Some teams will be put together well, others will not. Just like this past season. Just like every season pre portal.
I am choosing optimism and am choosing to appreciate stability.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:14:06 PMAt least the Badgers are trying to improve!
They added Rohde and Rapp. I am really low on our team next year, and even I don't think either of those two could start for us.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 04, 2025, 09:54:14 PMThey added Rohde and Rapp. I am really low on our team next year, and even I don't think either of those two could start for us.
BUT THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING AND WE HAVEN"T!!!!!!
Quote from: The Sultan on April 04, 2025, 09:55:04 PMBUT THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING AND WE HAVEN"T!!!!!!
They're trying to get better. Something we know nothing about at MU.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 04, 2025, 09:54:14 PMThey added Rohde and Rapp. I am really low on our team next year, and even I don't think either of those two could start for us.
They look like gym rats.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:59:38 PMTower you are the most positive person on this board, hope your right and I am wrong!
Second only to Goose. Where is he?
Why is everyone so concerned about something we knew was going to happen all along?
They aren't going to use the portal. I won't tell anyone what to do, but I'd recommend getting over it because it's not gonna happen, and if it does it's not gonna be a guy people get excited over.
How can you not be excited about what we have coming back and coming into the program?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 04, 2025, 10:36:21 PMWhy is everyone so concerned about something we knew was going to happen all along?
They aren't going to use the portal. I won't tell anyone what to do, but I'd recommend getting over it because it's not gonna happen, and if it does it's not gonna be a guy people get excited over.
How can you not be excited about what we have coming back and coming into the program?
If we weren't getting worked up about something, we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves.
Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2025, 08:55:46 PMI look at the landscape of college basketball and I am more optimistic than ever about growth, development, and retention. Can't wait to see what the next 6 months of development brings.
I'm with Brother Tower. I like the quality of the group that's incoming and I'm optimistic that the returning team will have a lot off work in between now and October 15.
Is it possible Coach Shaka could have misfired on some folks? That's always possible but you gotta go with what got you here!
Quote from: The Sultan on April 04, 2025, 09:55:04 PMBUT THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING AND WE HAVEN"T!!!!!!
They had a bunch of seniors, super seniors, and a super super senior exhaust their eligibility. Additionally multiple players hit the portal. Only one of their top seven guys is guaranteed back next year. They have to add transfers just to field a team.
^^^^^
What he said.
I think a healthy level of skepticism to non portal additions this off season is normal given how we closed out the season.
I would rather be MU with two openings to possibly fill, vs. an average team with 6-7 openings to fill.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 04, 2025, 09:54:14 PMThey added Rohde and Rapp. I am really low on our team next year, and even I don't think either of those two could start for us.
Rapp is already what we hoped Gold would be. Better shooter, a more all around game. He only ended up at Portland because there were questions about whether he'd professionalized.
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 06:52:19 AMBanned. Don't doxx.
Are you
sure? I believe he left on his own. Doxxing simply sounds completely out of character to me in regard to Goose. He was a mellow fellow.
Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2025, 09:46:25 PMAll of the following are rough ballpark figures. Sharpshoot all you want, but my conclusion stands.
Roughly 4000 division 1 basketball players. (351 × 13)
Roughly 1/4 (maybe slightly higher due to COVID year) used up their eligibility.
Of the remaining 3k- ish 1800+ are in the portal.
70% of the players in D1 will not be in the same place next year.
MU lost Amadou so far. Hopefully he is it.
Some teams will be put together well, others will not. Just like this past season. Just like every season pre portal.
I am choosing optimism and am choosing to appreciate stability.
We should at least be the kings of November and December basketball then again.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 05, 2025, 08:51:44 AMAre you sure? I believe he left on his own. Doxxing simply sounds completely out of character to me in regard to Goose. He was a mellow fellow.
He's working on the new message board
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 06:52:19 AMBanned. Don't doxx.
What will it take for Rico to dox someone so we don't have to deal with him spamming every single thread?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 05, 2025, 09:14:58 AMWhat will it take for Rico to dox someone so we don't have to deal with him spamming every single thread?
This is great spam
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 05, 2025, 08:42:22 AMRapp is already what we hoped Gold would be. Better shooter, a more all around game. He only ended up at Portland because there were questions about whether he'd professionalized.
Gold has better shooting percentages than Rapp. Rapp having a high usage rate on a 12-20 WAC team doesn't make him more all round. Rapp is shorter than Gold and weighs less. Rapp plays less viable defense than Gold. Gold is estimated to be about 3.8 points per 100 possesstions better than him.
Rapp was worse than Royce and was under 1 point per 100 possessions better than Caedin. Caedin played better defense than him.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 05, 2025, 09:26:33 AMAren't you supposed to be funny?
Itching for a fight this morning? Shorthoops might engage later in the women's basketball thread.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 05, 2025, 08:51:44 AMAre you sure? I believe he left on his own. Doxxing simply sounds completely out of character to me in regard to Goose. He was a mellow fellow.
Pretty sure.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2025, 09:27:59 AMItching for a fight this morning? Shorthoops might engage later in the women's basketball thread.
And somehow shoot hoops contributes more positive content to this board than you do.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 05, 2025, 09:50:57 AMAnd somehow shoot hoops contributes more positive content to this board than you do.
If you want to distract from your Sean Jones news, I guess you can use me to do so.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 05, 2025, 09:14:58 AMWhat will it take for Rico to dox someone so we don't have to deal with him spamming every single thread?
My impeccable sources say Rico is actually Jim Chones.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 05, 2025, 09:22:27 AMGold has better shooting percentages than Rapp. Rapp having a high usage rate on a 12-20 WAC team doesn't make him more all round. Rapp is shorter than Gold and weighs less. Rapp plays less viable defense than Gold. Gold is estimated to be about 3.8 points per 100 possesstions better than him.
Rapp was worse than Royce and was under 1 point per 100 possessions better than Caedin. Caedin played better defense than him.
Stop with facts. Gard is trying to improve his team. Shaka is just bathing in cash from MU and laughing at people who thinks he cares about providing a good product to our extremely high spending program.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2025, 09:27:59 AMItching for a fight this morning? Shorthoops might engage later in the women's basketball thread.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2025, 09:52:50 AMIf you want to distract from your Sean Jones news, I guess you can use me to do so.
This is incredible.
Wades is the biggest rico slurper on here. Full simp mode
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 10:54:27 AMWades is the biggest rico slurper on here. Full simp mode
I like to think I am the biggest Rico fan here. A little disappointed in your assessment.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 10:54:27 AMWades is the biggest rico slurper on here. Full simp mode
Huh
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 11:03:29 AMI like to think I am the biggest Rico fan here. A little disappointed in your assessment.
Well an auspicious title u can battle
For over
The offseason eh yo
Although MDMU04 is flying under the radar attempting to take Rico's title.
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 11:38:14 AMAlthough MDMU04 is flying under the radar attempting to take Rico's title.
He's fantastic
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 11:36:15 AMWell an auspicious title u can battle
For over
The offseason eh yo
Out of the guys in the portal currently, which ones do you like as possible difference makers for Marquette or other teams?
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 10:54:27 AMWades is the biggest rico slurper on here. Full simp mode
I was just going to give you credit for typing a legible post, but then you unearth this beauty:
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 11:36:15 AMWell an auspicious title u can battle
For over
The offseason eh yo
Quote from: The Sultan on April 05, 2025, 11:50:28 AMI was just going to give you credit for typing a legible post, but then you unearth this beauty:
Lol was thinking the same thing. Maybe he'll make another legible post about me being a sultan slurper.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 05, 2025, 11:50:28 AMI was just going to give you credit for typing a legible post, but then you unearth this beauty:
Can't plz everywon
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 04, 2025, 12:27:07 PMSo their likely 2 best players next year are from an Iowa team that barely made the Big Ten Tournament?
Yes. And if those guys go back to Iowa, everyone says "here's another high octane offense with zero defense Hawkeye team that will miss the tourney."
But because they're shiny new toys in Omaha, suddenly Greg is winning the portal.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 05, 2025, 01:29:01 PMYes. And if those guys go back to Iowa, everyone says "here's another high octane offense with zero defense Hawkeye team that will miss the tourney."
But because they're shiny new toys in Omaha, suddenly Greg is winning the portal.
Freeman is a fine defender and player.
Dix.... is not.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 05, 2025, 01:29:01 PMYes. And if those guys go back to Iowa, everyone says "here's another high octane offense with zero defense Hawkeye team that will miss the tourney."
But because they're shiny new toys in Omaha, suddenly Greg is winning the portal.
You're not wrong, but Mcdermott has shown the ability to win with guys like that. Iowa....not so much.
I'd expect Creighton to continue to be good until they show they aren't. Just like I do with MU.
Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2025, 08:55:46 PMI look at the landscape of college basketball and I am more optimistic than ever about growth, development, and retention. Can't wait to see what the next 6 months of development brings.
Sure, it should work better down the line when there aren't as many 23 year olds playing college ball.
That said, these next two years woulda been prime years for Marquette to be that team that's grown old with internally developed studs all over the court making a run to the Final 4.
Woulda been a great time to strike during this upcoming pocket as other teams are trying to figure it out and adapt without all the 5year players and with all the turnover.
I say would've because with what's in the cupboard currently it would take quite a leap to see a Final4 type team budding.
Hopefully the guy in charge can find a way
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2025, 09:52:50 AMIf you want to distract from your Sean Jones news, I guess you can use me to do so.
You spamming every thread, every hour of every day is far worse and far more annoying than me sharing a tidbit from a reliable source.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 05, 2025, 04:57:03 PMYou spamming every thread, every hour of every day is far worse and far more annoying than me sharing a tidbit from a reliable source.
Or unreliable
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:40:52 PMI like whining as I want to win badly and I do not see that with the team coming back
You also didn't see it for the team coming back in 2022-23, the team coming back in 2023-24 and the team coming back in 2024-25.
So I like our chances.
Although I'd like our chances better if only Shaka wanted to win as badly as some anonymous interwebs Eeyore.
If a player like Clayton JR wants to transfer to Marquette do we take him
Feel the program is strong yet and we will win. Am grateful but feel we could do more
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2025, 05:26:26 PMYou also didn't see it for the team coming back in 2022-23, the team coming back in 2023-24 and the team coming back in 2024-25.
So I like our chances.
Although I'd like our chances better if only Shaka wanted to win as badly as some anonymous interwebs Eeyore.
All these teams missed one addition, a physical big man. Just watched two very good teams with physical bigs, you think any of our bigs could play for either team? No, next year no different
Quote from: DoctorV on April 05, 2025, 02:29:15 PMSure, it should work better down the line when there aren't as many 23 year olds playing college ball.
That said, these next two years woulda been prime years for Marquette to be that team that's grown old with internally developed studs all over the court making a run to the Final 4.
Woulda been a great time to strike during this upcoming pocket as other teams are trying to figure it out and adapt without all the 5year players and with all the turnover.
I say would've because with what's in the cupboard currently it would take quite a leap to see a Final4 type team budding.
Hopefully the guy in charge can find a way
I hope he can also, but not looking real good.
Can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear ! Watch the teams still playing !
BC, maybe in another decade or two, you'll learn how to use Scoop's quote feature when you check in for mope-up time.
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2025, 08:32:42 PMBC, maybe in another decade or two, you'll learn how to use Scoop's quote feature when you check in for mope-up time.
Someday I will learn to mop!
What a game
Joshua Jefferson in the portal.
Abraham to Georgetwon.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2025, 02:55:48 PMAbraham to Georgetwon.
Guess we'll have to settle for Isaac or Jacob.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2025, 02:55:48 PMAbraham to Georgetwon.
Hope he steers clear of Ford's Theater.
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2025, 05:21:09 PMGuess we'll have to settle for Isaac or Jacob.
I want Moses. If he can part a sea, clearing a path to the basket would be mere child's play.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 06, 2025, 05:26:16 PMHope he steers clear of Ford's Theater.
I should not have laughed at this as much as I did.
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2025, 05:21:09 PMGuess we'll have to settle for Isaac or Jacob.
It's a shame we didn't have Abel Joseph at the same time we had Jamal Cain.
Badgers land a monster in Nick Boyd
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 07, 2025, 08:00:36 AMThis displeases me
It displeases me as well. I want Shaka to take a chance here. The team has nothing to lose in trying.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on April 07, 2025, 07:52:45 AMBadgers land a monster in Nick Boyd
This feels like hyperbole.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2025, 09:05:44 AMThis feels like hyperbole.
Not if you view it as only monsters attend UW.
Tonje was pretty much the best transfer you could ask for. Badgers and Gard doing what I wish Shaka would even dip his toes in.
Switch allegiance. Open up your fan card to the highest bidder.
Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2025, 09:38:13 AMSwitch allegiance. Open up your fan card to the highest bidder.
2 options, pick one.
a) Shaka continues the recruit-only mentality and does not add a portal player
b) Shaka adds at least 1 transfer he feels is a good fit and an impact player to improve the roster
Which do
you prefer?
Quote from: HowardsWorld on April 07, 2025, 07:52:45 AMBadgers land a monster in Nick Boyd
He is 6'3" that's not a monster.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 10:11:34 AM2 options, pick one.
a) Shaka continues the recruit-only mentality and does not add a portal player
b) Shaka adds at least 1 transfer he feels is a good fit and an impact player to improve the roster
Which do you prefer?
Whatever choice he makes. WTF do I know about building a roster?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 07, 2025, 10:14:37 AMHe is 6'3" that's not a monster.
He was the best pg in the pool imo. Wasn't talking hight
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 09:36:15 AMTonje was pretty much the best transfer you could ask for. Badgers and Gard doing what I wish Shaka would even dip his toes in.
Yeah, but now they are almost fully reliant on bringing in a transfer to score each year. It's a risky strategy.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 10:11:34 AM2 options, pick one.
a) Shaka continues the recruit-only mentality and does not add a portal player
b) Shaka adds at least 1 transfer he feels is a good fit and an impact player to improve the roster
Which do you prefer?
To trust Shaka. If he goes with option A, I will root for the Marquette. If he goes with option B I will root for Marquette.
Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2025, 09:38:13 AMSwitch allegiance. Open up your fan card to the highest bidder.
Fall in line or leave.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 10:11:34 AM2 options, pick one.
a) Shaka continues the recruit-only mentality and does not add a portal player
b) Shaka adds at least 1 transfer he feels is a good fit and an impact player to improve the roster
Which do you prefer?
1)
Nice work at loading the questions. Kudos!
2) Our votes count as much as the SOTG votes do. In this case, Shaka's vote is the only one that is counted. But go ahead-tell us which one you prefer.
3) Adding from the portal may "improve the roster". Or, in the long run, it may make the roster weaker. This is a point that enthusiastic portal people very conveniently ignore. Just as they ignore the number of seasons that it may take for Shaka's system to be fairly evaluated. Next season will be open season on Shaka more so than this past one. The portal people want an improved roster
right now! 4) Just for fun, finish your answer by completing the phrase "or else.....!
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 07, 2025, 10:30:15 AMYeah, but now they are almost fully reliant on bringing in a transfer to score each year. It's a risky strategy.
Somewhat reliant, sure. Blackwell's a stud. Winter will fill in nicely up front.
Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2025, 10:31:49 AMTo trust Shaka. If he goes with option A, I will root for the Marquette. If he goes with option B I will root for Marquette.
Coming from the guy who deemed the historic late-season collapse as "a fun season" I am convinced you would be equally comfortable atop the big east or in the dregs of the league like Depaul
Boyd is a nice player. But theyre still way worse than last year cause no one is replacing Tonje, his shotmaking bailed them out all the time.
Their other 2 portal adds - Rohde is alright but Rapps metrics are pretty terrible. No reason to be scared of UW, theyre way worse than last year.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 10:44:39 AMComing from the guy who deemed the historic late-season collapse as "a fun season" I am convinced you would be equally comfortable atop the big east or in the dregs of the league like Depaul
How was the late-season collapse "historic?"
And I thought it was a fun season as well. Too bad it had a bad ending.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 07, 2025, 10:41:00 AM2) Our votes count as much as the SOTG votes do. In this case, Shaka's vote is the only one that is counted. But go ahead-tell us which one you prefer.
Such a baffling take.
Nothing we write here will change anything about the program. The recruiting thread doesn't affect who MU recruits or lands. Threads discussing minutes distribution and lineups will affect neither. Threads discussing offensive or defensive philosophies will have no bearing on the coaching staff's approach. Threads discussing NIL strategy will not change MU's NIL strategy.
If you think discussion should be limited to only areas where fans' votes count, Scoop is going to be an awfully quiet place.
Quote3) Adding from the portal may "improve the roster". Or, in the long run, it may make the roster weaker. This is a point that enthusiastic portal people very conveniently ignore.
You're essentially saying here that you don't trust Shaka's ability to identify and recruit transfers who will improve the roster, despite evidence to the contrary.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 07, 2025, 10:41:00 AM1) Nice work at loading the questions. Kudos!
2) Our votes count as much as the SOTG votes do. In this case, Shaka's vote is the only one that is counted. But go ahead-tell us which one you prefer.
3) Adding from the portal may "improve the roster". Or, in the long run, it may make the roster weaker. This is a point that enthusiastic portal people very conveniently ignore. Just as they ignore the number of seasons that it may take for Shaka's system to be fairly evaluated. Next season will be open season on Shaka more so than this past one. The portal people want an improved roster right now!
4) Just for fun, finish your answer by completing the phrase "or else.....!
Well I suppose we should just shut the message board down since none of this discussion has any influence on Shaka's decisions.
Just for fun, can you name a couple players who recently transferred to MU and happened to make a huge impact on the program's success?
The 2008-09 team is one of my all-times favorites. It was a fun season despite the crappy ending.
I'm feeling pretty good about the state of the program if a 13-7 Big East record and making the tournament as a 7 seed is considered a historic collapse.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on April 07, 2025, 10:28:13 AMHe was the best pg in the pool imo. Wasn't talking hight
I was being sarcastic, but this is a wild claim.
Best PG in the pool? 247 has him listed as a SG, but even if you see him as a PG he isn't Top 15 at the position.
Dent, Stirtz, Gillespie, Demary. I could go on...he's not in that class of PG.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 07, 2025, 10:58:25 AMI was being sarcastic, but this is a wild claim.
Best PG in the pool? 247 has him listed as a SG, but even if you see him as a PG he isn't Top 15 at the position.
Dent, Stirtz, Gillespie, Demary. I could go on...he's not in that class of PG.
Yeah, calling him better than Dent and Stirtz is wild. Chicken littles here will do that though...
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 10:11:34 AM2 options, pick one.
a) Shaka continues the recruit-only mentality and does not add a portal player
b) Shaka adds at least 1 transfer he feels is a good fit and an impact player to improve the roster
Which do you prefer?
I've warmed up to option A, since that's what it looks like currently. Just that there will be no excuses next year. There shouldn't be any "young team in an old league" garbage said. Shaka's way comes with a lot of risk as well. Imagine Parham, Owens, and a freshman all having great years on a .500 team. They could easily get poached at that point even when we spent a whole crappy year developing them for a P4 to just swoop in, snatch them up, and win with them the following year. How gutting would that be?
In any case, Shaka's way will be very polarizing next year, and in the worst case, may begin to turn him off on MU. Every loss media members and fans will be saying "that's why you need to go to the portal", etc. I'm not going to be a part of that though. Just going to support the team as the first 4 years were a lot of fun.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 10:44:39 AMSomewhat reliant, sure. Blackwell's a stud. Winter will fill in nicely up front.
Coming from the guy who deemed the historic late-season collapse as "a fun season" I am convinced you would be equally comfortable atop the big east or in the dregs of the league like Depaul
I would still root for MU.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 10:33:58 AMFall in line or leave.
Why would I do that? I like it here.
I refuse to fall in the despair line.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 10:52:09 AMSuch a baffling take.
Nothing we write here will change anything about the program. The recruiting thread doesn't affect who MU recruits or lands. Threads discussing minutes distribution and lineups will affect neither. Threads discussing offensive or defensive philosophies will have no bearing on the coaching staff's approach. Threads discussing NIL strategy will not change MU's NIL strategy.
If you think discussion should be limited to only areas where fans' votes count, Scoop is going to be an awfully quiet place.
You're essentially saying here that you don't trust Shaka's ability to identify and recruit transfers who will improve the roster, despite evidence to the contrary.
There is nothing wrong with respectfully questioning roster construction and off season additions while understanding your words have no bearing on how the situation will manifest.
The "I implicitly trust Shaka" position is such a weak argument.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 10:52:09 AMSuch a baffling take.
Nothing we write here will change anything about the program. The recruiting thread doesn't affect who MU recruits or lands. Threads discussing minutes distribution and lineups will affect neither. Threads discussing offensive or defensive philosophies will have no bearing on the coaching staff's approach. Threads discussing NIL strategy will not change MU's NIL strategy.
If you think discussion should be limited to only areas where fans' votes count, Scoop is going to be an awfully quiet place.
You're essentially saying here that you don't trust Shaka's ability to identify and recruit transfers who will improve the roster, despite evidence to the contrary.
many of Shaka's most successful players are portal additions or Wojo recruits.
Jop, Ross and gold are the three guys I can think of off the top of my head as Shaka guys with no cbb experience. Jop with a solid career, ross is on his way with a question mark and the jury is still very much out on gold.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 11:24:14 AMThe "I implicitly trust Shaka" position is such a weak argument.
What more would Shaka have needed to do over the last 4 years for you to trust him?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 11:24:14 AMThe "I implicitly trust Shaka" position is such a weak argument.
Why?
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 11:30:00 AMWhat more would Shaka have needed to do over the last 4 years for you to trust him?
I do trust him - I also saw cracks in our roster this year and see more next year. The transfer portal is not a panacea for the perfect team but ignoring it is putting a glass ceiling on your success.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with looking to add a transfer when a high school guy doesn't pan out as expected (Norman, any of our bigs), we have a PG coming off of a catastrophic injury who hasn't played a game in a year and a half or we're graduating our best player.
Shaka's apparent strategy now is fine if you're ok taking one step back to maybe take two steps forward, but I think it's doing the program a disservice not to add a talented piece or two to make the team better and more competitive every season.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 11:24:14 AMThe "I implicitly trust Shaka" position is such a weak argument.
Agreed. I'm going to trust the guy who said Sean Jones was transferring over the 2023 AP Coach of the Year.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 11:39:59 AMI do trust him - I also saw cracks in our roster this year and see more next year. The transfer portal is not a panacea for the perfect team but ignoring it is putting a glass ceiling on your success.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with looking to add a transfer when a high school guy doesn't pan out as expected (Norman, any of our bigs), we have a PG coming off of a catastrophic injury who hasn't played a game in a year and a half or we're graduating our best player.
Shaka's apparent strategy now is fine if you're ok taking one step back to maybe take two steps forward, but I think it's doing the program a disservice not to add a talented piece or two to make the team better and more competitive every season.
There's two sides of this coin though. Always going to the portal may result in you taking one step forward to take two steps back. There's going to be a year when the transfers just don't live up to the hype, and the young players that you're developing for the future have already bolted because they got recruited over.
I don't think there's a right/wrong way, but until Shaka's approach actually proves to not work, rather than just looking like there are cracks in the team next year, I will implicitly trust Shaka.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 11:30:00 AMWhat more would Shaka have needed to do over the last 4 years for you to trust him?
I imagine most Chiefs fans trust Andy Reid.
I also imagine most Chiefs fans question the offensive line he's assembled and his Super Bowl strategy this year.
Trusting a coach shouldn't be synonymous with never questioning or criticizing anything.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on April 07, 2025, 10:28:13 AMHe was the best pg in the pool imo. Wasn't talking hight
Just one source and it's subjective but The Athletic had him ranked as the 37th best player in the portal.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 11:46:48 AMThere's two sides of this coin though. Always going to the portal may result in you taking one step forward to take two steps back. There's going to be a year when the transfers just don't live up to the hype, and the young players that you're developing for the future have already bolted because they got recruited over.
I don't think there's a right/wrong way, but until Shaka's approach actually proves to not work, rather than just looking like there are cracks in the team next year, I will implicitly trust Shaka.
He doesn't need to abandon his development mindset. But there should be considerations made when there are very clear holes in the roster which put a ceiling on your team's success. One or two "character fitting" portal additions will not ruin the culture. If anything it breeds a new level of competitiveness rather than complacency.
The lack of depth killed us in the back half of this season. Our performance in feb/march/April should be a considered a big crack. Without any additions, next year will be bumpy too.
He's done incredible things so far but there is cause for concern looking forward. And none of that has to do with what he accomplished already.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 11:47:30 AMI imagine most Chiefs fans trust Andy Reid.
I also imagine most Chiefs fans question the offensive line he's assembled and his Super Bowl strategy this year.
Trusting a coach shouldn't be synonymous with never questioning or criticizing anything.
I don't know anything about football so I guess I'll trust you about your anecdotal, cross sport, college vs pros, salary cap vs no salary cap evidence.
I don't think Shaka is above criticism, I've thought he's been to stingy with TOs at times, I commented recently that I think he should have more set plays to help develop the underclassmen, more off the ball movement, let's have a real in-bounds play, etc.
It just seems like there's a lot of "I like Shaka, but I don't trust him to build a team", which looks an awful lot like sitting on the fence where regardless of how the team performs you can go back and say "I was right, I said I trusted him", or "I was right, I said he needed to do xyz", and
that is a weak argument.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 11:54:12 AMHe doesn't need to abandon his development mindset. But there should be considerations made when there are very clear holes in the roster which put a ceiling on your team's success. One or two "character fitting" portal additions will not ruin the culture. If anything it breeds a new level of competitiveness rather than complacency.
The lack of depth killed us in the back half of this season. Our performance in feb/march/April should be a considered a big crack. Without any additions, next year will be bumpy too.
He's done incredible things so far but there is cause for concern looking forward. And none of that has to do with what he accomplished already.
A lot of fence sitting "buts" and conjecture about what you think will happen vs looking at what Shaka has actually accomplished.
Again, until his way of running things actually stops working, I will trust him.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 12:00:01 PMA lot of fence sitting "buts" and conjecture about what you think will happen vs looking at what Shaka has actually accomplished.
Again, until his way of running things actually stops working, I will trust him.
That is some extremely selective critiquing while ignoring the very clear overall point lol.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 12:04:19 PMThat is some extremely selective critiquing while ignoring the very clear overall point lol.
Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong but your overall point is that you think we will be bad, mine is that we haven't been yet and until we are we should keep doing what we're doing.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 10:52:09 AMYou're essentially saying here that you don't trust Shaka's ability to identify and recruit transfers who will improve the roster, despite evidence to the contrary.
Pretty sure that's not what he's saying.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 11:54:12 AMHe doesn't need to abandon his development mindset. But there should be considerations made when there are very clear holes in the roster which put a ceiling on your team's success. One or two "character fitting" portal additions will not ruin the culture. If anything it breeds a new level of competitiveness rather than complacency.
The lack of depth killed us in the back half of this season. Our performance in feb/march/April should be a considered a big crack. Without any additions, next year will be bumpy too.
He's done incredible things so far but there is cause for concern looking forward. And none of that has to do with what he accomplished already.
Why are you assuming there were/are culture fits that also were ok with Shaka/Marquette's NIL approach and would have been fine with being #7 - 10 in the rotation?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2025, 12:14:30 PMPretty sure that's not what he's saying.
Correct. I didn't bother to respond to Pakuni because his insistence of informing scoopers of what they
really are saying reminds me of the departed Lenny's M.0. It's long since gotten very old.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 12:08:49 PMOkay. Correct me if I'm wrong but your overall point is that you think we will be bad, mine is that we haven't been yet and until we are we should keep doing what we're doing.
Best case, with the roster as it stands now, we'll be a bubble team next year.
My overarching point here is, saying I trust Shaka for what he's accomplished in the past doesn't change the fact there are holes in our roster going into next year that put a ceiling on our capabilities.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2025, 12:18:37 PMWhy are you assuming there were/are culture fits that also were ok with Shaka/Marquette's NIL approach and would have been fine with being #7 - 10 in the rotation?
You, I and everyone else here don't know that for sure. But given the volume of entrants in the portal, Marquette's recent success and Shaka's personality, odds are with some good old fashioned networking, he could find a talent and personality fit.
Also, I'm not sure why you're limiting the search criteria to back end of the rotation players because we absolutely could've used a center this year and absolutely need one next year.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 11:46:48 AMThere's two sides of this coin though. Always going to the portal may result in you taking one step forward to take two steps back. There's going to be a year when the transfers just don't live up to the hype, and the young players that you're developing for the future have already bolted because they got recruited over.
I don't think there's a right/wrong way, but until Shaka's approach actually proves to not work, rather than just looking like there are cracks in the team next year, I will implicitly trust Shaka.
Players don't live up to the hype whether they are transfers or recruits all the time. The Badged got a proven winner and vet pg, we are hoping a guy coming off an acl can be our pg. what is the more risky strategy? As for the portal ruining culture...literally every team is doing it. If we were getting all Top 50 recruits I would be all on board with recruit and develop....but we aren't
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2025, 12:18:37 PMWhy are you assuming there were/are culture fits that also were ok with Shaka/Marquette's NIL approach and would have been fine with being #7 - 10 in the rotation?
Honest question ... how is Shaka's culture significantly different from the culture at Houston or the culture at Creighton or the culture at Michigan State or the culture at Tennessee?
Do Marquette players compete harder? Are they better teammates? Share the ball better?
Every program talks about culture, and every winning program thinks they have a great culture.
And if bringing in a portal kid every now and again jeopardizes your entire culture, then your culture was fragile to begin with.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2025, 12:14:30 PMPretty sure that's not what he's saying.
It's exactly what he's saying.
Very fair to analyze roster construction on both ends of the spectrum.
In year one, Shaka had to build a roster quickly. He brought in Morsell and Kuath to fill immediate needs, Kolek as a promising point guard, and O-Max as a high-upside prospect. O-Max became an NBA player in two years. Kolek turned into one of the best point guards in the country. These guys were program-defining players brought in through the portal - props to the staff for their development. Same for that of Lewis, Oso, Jones and Mitchell.
Team chemistry never seemed to be an issue. If anything, adding experience helped the young guys develop. Without Tyler, Oso may not be playing for the Suns today. The only real miss was Wrightsil, who barely played due to injury.
Shaka's focus on developing high school recruits is a solid long-term approach. But with the way the game is changing, it's frustrating to see roster holes go unaddressed when he's already proven he can find great fits in the portal seasons ago. His high school recruiting at MU has been fine, not elite. Transfers can bring experience, fill gaps, and raise the ceiling without hurting team culture.
He doesn't need to go all-in on the portal every single year, just stay open to what's worked for him before. If 'he knows more than you' ended every debate, this board would be nothing but game threads and injury updates.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 11:57:11 AMIt just seems like there's a lot of "I like Shaka, but I don't trust him to build a team", which looks an awful lot like sitting on the fence where regardless of how the team performs you can go back and say "I was right, I said I trusted him", or "I was right, I said he needed to do xyz", and that is a weak argument.
I think I've been pretty clear where I stand with this. Shaka was outstanding his first three seasons and not so outstanding last year, both in terms of his roster construction and coaching. If he was expecting Sean back in time to help down the stretch, he was wrong. If he was expecting leaps from Gold, Norman and Hamilton, he was wrong. If he thought the three seniors could carry the load all season without wearing out, he was wrong.
Also, I've been pretty clear that I don't find any of that to be anything close to a fireable offense. But they were mistakes that added up to a disappointing finish. And it's OK to discuss and be critical of those mistakes.
My concern now is that rather than adjusting anything as a result of how the season unfolded, he's doubling down on more of the same. At least that's what we've seen in the public realm, i.e. his comments and the lack of any connection to transfer options. Maybe he's got some things cooking that we don't know about.
If next year's squad exceeds expectations, has a great regular season and advances to the second weekend or beyond, I'll be thrilled that my concerns were unfounded.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2025, 11:04:30 AMYeah, calling him better than Dent and Stirtz is wild. Chicken littles here will do that though...
Gillespie to Tennessee is right up there with those adds IMO.
He's an awesome fit there and should elevate their offense a ton!
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 12:58:29 PMIt's exactly what he's saying.
It's literally not and he confirmed as much. Buy you know what he's saying better than he does, huh?
Truly ridiculous.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 12:59:46 PMVery fair to analyze roster construction on both ends of the spectrum.
In year one, Shaka had to build a roster quickly. He brought in Morsell and Kuath to fill immediate needs, Kolek as a promising point guard, and O-Max as a high-upside prospect. O-Max became an NBA player in two years. Kolek turned into one of the best point guards in the country. These guys were program-defining players brought in through the portal - props to the staff for their development. Same for that of Lewis, Oso, Jones and Mitchell.
Team chemistry never seemed to be an issue. If anything, adding experience helped the young guys develop. Without Tyler, Oso may not be playing for the Suns today. The only real miss was Wrightsil, who barely played due to injury.
Shaka's focus on developing high school recruits is a solid long-term approach. But with the way the game is changing, it's frustrating to see roster holes go unaddressed when he's already proven he can find great fits in the portal seasons ago. His high school recruiting at MU has been fine, not elite. Transfers can bring experience, fill gaps, and raise the ceiling without hurting team culture.
He doesn't need to go all-in on the portal every single year, just stay open to what's worked for him before. If 'he knows more than you' ended every debate, this board would be nothing but game threads and injury updates.
Reasonable take.
I really like the recruit/develop/retain philosophy. It's been successful and it sets us apart from other major-college programs. That this year's recruits specifically mentioned it as a big reason they selected Marquette reinforces it.
However, I don't see why our culture wouldn't allow a well-selected transfer or two to join the program. Just as I trust Shaka to build our team through his recruit/develop/retain philosophy, I trust him to choose transfers who wouldn't disrupt our winning culture.
Having said all that, I do get a kick out of the many Scoopers who are holding up the Weasels as a model of operating in the current college basketball environment. These Scoopers hate that Shaka has won only 3 NCAAT games in 4 years, but they tout a program that has won only 2 NCAAT games in that same span - and only 3 in the 8 years since Gard had to start recruiting his own players.
They got extraordinarily lucky with Tonje ... and they still lost big to Marquette during the season and won only one more NCAAT game than we did. And Storr was a net negative the year before that.
Will Boyd be better than Tonje? I guess so, because one Scooper called Boyd a "monster."
A 6-foot-3, 13 ppg, 41%-shooting, 2-TO-per-game monster with an eFG% lower than Stevie Mitchell's.
Shaka may not be looking in the portal but Marquette has recently been linked to three HS recruits. Late bloomer Odartey Blankson Jr. and West Virginia decommits Kelvin Odih and Braydon Hawthorne.
So it's not like Shaka is completely kicking back and doing nothing.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 12:58:29 PMHonest question ... how is Shaka's culture significantly different from the culture at Houston or the culture at Creighton or the culture at Michigan State or the culture at Tennessee?
Do Marquette players compete harder? Are they better teammates? Share the ball better?
Every program talks about culture, and every winning program thinks they have a great culture.
And if bringing in a portal kid every now and again jeopardizes your entire culture, then your culture was fragile to begin with.
Do those programs have the same roster-building strategy Shaka does?
Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2025, 01:46:22 PMReasonable take.
I really like the recruit/develop/retain philosophy. It's been successful and it sets us apart from other major-college programs. That this year's recruits specifically mentioned it as a big reason they selected Marquette reinforces it.
However, I don't see why our culture wouldn't allow a well-selected transfer or two to join the program. Just as I trust Shaka to build our team through his recruit/develop/retain philosophy, I trust him to choose transfers who wouldn't disrupt our winning culture.
Having said all that, I do get a kick out of the many Scoopers who are holding up the Weasels as a model of operating in the current college basketball environment. These Scoopers hate that Shaka has won only 3 NCAAT games in 4 years, but they tout a program that has won only 2 NCAAT games in that same span - and only 3 in the 8 years since Gard had to start recruiting his own players.
They got extraordinarily lucky with Tonje ... and they still lost big to Marquette during the season and won only one more NCAAT game than we did. And Storr was a net negative the year before that.
Will Boyd be better than Tonje? I guess so, because one Scooper called Boyd a "monster."
A 6-foot-3, 13 ppg, 41%-shooting, 2-TO-per-game monster with an eFG% lower than Stevie Mitchell's.
I won't look at Bucky but I'll show you MSU. One of two programs with us in 2023-24 who had not taken a transfer the prior year and hadn't taken a transfer since Joey in 2019 and Tyson Walker (Northeastern) in 2020-21. After a poor year by their standards (second round as a 9 seed, losing to 1 seed UNC) Izzo went out and brought in two grad transfers from low majors (Omaha and Longwood) to fill holes and depth. They have five tourney wins in three years (one over us as the 7 seed).
I'm not an advocate of filling the roster with transfers but a "plug holes with transfers" and we have some holes to fill.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2025, 01:56:50 PMI won't look at Bucky but I'll show you MSU. One of two programs with us in 2023-24 who had not taken a transfer the prior year and hadn't taken a transfer since Joey in 2019 and Tyson Walker (Northeastern) in 2020-21. After a poor year by their standards (second round as a 9 seed, losing to 1 seed UNC) Izzo went out and brought in two grad transfers from low majors (Omaha and Longwood) to fill holes and depth. They have five tourney wins in three years (one over us as the 7 seed).
I'm not an advocate of filling the roster with transfers but a "plug holes with transfers" and we have some holes to fill.
That makes sense.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2025, 01:56:50 PM... and we have some holes
to fill.
Other than back up stretch 4, there really isn't.
Hamilton/Clark/Gold
Parham
Ross/Owens/Lowery/Miletic/Phillips/ Stevens
Jones/Parham/James
Now, you can argue that you do not trust freshmen or that too much growth and development may be required. But there are lots of bodies at 4 of the 5 positions.
So, two scholarships open and it appears Shaka is pursuing high schoolers.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2025, 01:54:31 PMDo those programs have the same roster-building strategy Shaka does?
That wasn't my question.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2025, 01:56:50 PMI won't look at Bucky but I'll show you MSU. One of two programs with us in 2023-24 who had not taken a transfer the prior year and hadn't taken a transfer since Joey in 2019 and Tyson Walker (Northeastern) in 2020-21. After a poor year by their standards (second round as a 9 seed, losing to 1 seed UNC) Izzo went out and brought in two grad transfers from low majors (Omaha and Longwood) to fill holes and depth. They have five tourney wins in three years (one over us as the 7 seed).
I'm not an advocate of filling the roster with transfers but a "plug holes with transfers" and we have some holes to fill.
Longwood can plug some holes
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 02:13:24 PMThat wasn't my question.
It's absolutely related to culture as for as Marquette goes. It's not complicated.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2025, 01:56:50 PMI won't look at Bucky but I'll show you MSU. One of two programs with us in 2023-24 who had not taken a transfer the prior year and hadn't taken a transfer since Joey in 2019 and Tyson Walker (Northeastern) in 2020-21. After a poor year by their standards (second round as a 9 seed, losing to 1 seed UNC) Izzo went out and brought in two grad transfers from low majors (Omaha and Longwood) to fill holes and depth. They have five tourney wins in three years (one over us as the 7 seed).
I'm not an advocate of filling the roster with transfers but a "plug holes with transfers" and we have some holes to fill.
And now a former 5 star recruit is leaving Izzo's program as well as his starting point guard. So again, some teams use the portal to add talent and end up losing talent to it, while Shaka appears to be prioritizing keeping the talent he already has in his program. Until it fails, I'm good with it.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2025, 02:26:48 PMAnd now a former 5 star recruit is leaving Izzo's program as well as his starting point guard. So again, some teams use the portal to add talent and end up losing talent to it, while Shaka appears to be prioritizing keeping the talent he already has in his program. Until it fails, I'm good with it.
Yeah, that's where the slippery slope part of it comes in.
I, for one, am in the camp of really liking recruit/develop/retain while also being willing to consider a transfer or two.
But let's say we decide we need to upgrade our frontcourt with a "banger." And let's say Parham views that as a negative to him staying at Marquette. Would it be worth it to lose Parham - and be viewed as having broken a "promise" to a highly regarded player - to rent a different player?
It's not easy-peasy, as some here seem to think: "Oh, just bring in somebody from the portal already. The Weasels are doing it!"
Now, I trust Shaka. I trust his ability to convince Parham that he's still a very valuable part of the program who can be on the court at the same time as the newcomer. And I trust that Shaka will only choose a transfer who will buy into his vision of our culture.
So I don't think it has to be either-or. I just think there's a lot more that goes into it than, "Use the portal, dammit!"
The portal giveth, the portal taketh.
https://x.com/portal_updates/status/1909351909502210262?t=knt4xcEm9oWzdGnKIe0cAQ&s=19
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 07, 2025, 04:14:20 PMThe portal giveth, the portal taketh.
https://x.com/portal_updates/status/1909351909502210262?t=knt4xcEm9oWzdGnKIe0cAQ&s=19
WTH? The guy was already what we hoped Ben Gold would be at NIU. Gard ruined him, clearly.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2025, 01:56:50 PMI won't look at Bucky but I'll show you MSU. One of two programs with us in 2023-24 who had not taken a transfer the prior year and hadn't taken a transfer since Joey in 2019 and Tyson Walker (Northeastern) in 2020-21. After a poor year by their standards (second round as a 9 seed, losing to 1 seed UNC) Izzo went out and brought in two grad transfers from low majors (Omaha and Longwood) to fill holes and depth. They have five tourney wins in three years (one over us as the 7 seed).
I'm not an advocate of filling the roster with transfers but a "plug holes with transfers" and we have some holes to fill.
I don't think you'll see many programs (Except those with a coaching change) that'll fill a roster exclusively with transfers. If you don't have good players coming in via high school recruiting, it is going to be awfully difficult to keep a competitive program year after year. Even transfer portal additions where players have an actual track record are hit or miss. Just look at Kansas this year. And who would have guessed Tonje would have been better than either Storr or Hepburn at Wisconsin.
Each offseason you have to find your balance between what your foundational players give you, and what you can find in the portal to complement that. You have to trust that your staff is able to identify the right players who fit the program and see how it plays out when they get on the floor together for the first time.
Shaka seems to be quite adept at identifying players that fit how he wants to play out of high school. He should be able to find those same types of players in the portal.
Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2025, 04:08:04 PMYeah, that's where the slippery slope part of it comes in.
I, for one, am in the camp of really liking recruit/develop/retain while also being willing to consider a transfer or two.
But let's say we decide we need to upgrade our frontcourt with a "banger." And let's say Parham views that as a negative to him staying at Marquette. Would it be worth it to lose Parham - and be viewed as having broken a "promise" to a highly regarded player - to rent a different player?
It's not easy-peasy, as some here seem to think: "Oh, just bring in somebody from the portal already. The Weasels are doing it!"
Now, I trust Shaka. I trust his ability to convince Parham that he's still a very valuable part of the program who can be on the court at the same time as the newcomer. And I trust that Shaka will only choose a transfer who will buy into his vision of our culture.
So I don't think it has to be either-or. I just think there's a lot more that goes into it than, "Use the portal, dammit!"
Of course there's more that goes into it. That's where Shaka's relationships and team building mantra can work to his advantage. Given the success he had his first year it is surprising how anti-portal he seems now, at least publicly.
The players that left the program really had no role cut out for them and it was mutually beneficial to explore another option. So there hasn't been an instance of a transfer forcing a big difference-maker out yet. Rounding out the roster with more experience and talent can directly benefit the recruits when done properly, which Shaka has demonstrated he can do without issue so far.
If you listen to him, Shaka is not anti-portal. He is anti bringing in a player whose first goal is $$$ and/or paying that guy more than his returning players are making.
So sure, he can identify players he might want in the portal - any coach can. It's harder to find a guy who can be a major contributor but who isn't looking for major coin.
Folks keep noting that he used the portal in 2021, but the landscape was very different even those few years ago as it relates to $$$. Kolek and Morsell weren't transferring for money. It's really apples and oranges.
I an wondering about the strategy of going after more high school recruits in a class that's already 4 deep, plus Clark as a redshirt. If the past two get filled with HS seniors, that's a lot in the same class with no obvious redshirt candidates. I could see wisdom in getting a rising sophomore to balance the classes.
https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216 (https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216)
Gold is not a 5 physically! Counting on Hamilton and Clark to be viable big East bigs next year seems risky to me. Hope I am wrong!
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2025, 04:21:39 PMThe guy was already what we hoped Ben Gold would be at NIU.
All UW jokes aside.
Gold was about the 70th best center last year. And is around the 40th best returning next year.
Quit saying centers from crap teams are better than him. (this isn't just you)
Quote from: jfp61 on April 07, 2025, 07:38:50 PMhttps://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216 (https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216)
Lot of talent leaving the Big East.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 07, 2025, 07:45:33 PMAll UW jokes aside.
Gold was about the 70th best center last year. And is around the 40th best returning next year.
Quit saying centers from crap teams are better than him. (this isn't just you)
There were 69 better centers?!?
Quote from: jfp61 on April 07, 2025, 07:45:33 PMAll UW jokes aside.
Gold was about the 70th best center last year. And is around the 40th best returning next year.
Quit saying centers from crap teams are better than him. (this isn't just you)
Given that there are 80 P4 + Big East programs, being the 70th best center is faint praise.
Anyone have any centers they'd like to see Shaka bring on?
Wow. Defense and rebounding travels. There's zero reason MU cannot find the right personnel and defend/glass clean at an elite level. Once you establish that, it opens up all sorts of possibilities.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 07, 2025, 08:19:18 PMWow. Defense and rebounding travels.
So does Condon.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 07, 2025, 07:38:50 PMhttps://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216 (https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216)
We are not worthy.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 07, 2025, 07:38:50 PMhttps://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216 (https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216)
Kendall Orange
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1909357897365995711?s=46&t=JpGJGF4HB4hL-rjDWHi4Gg (https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1909357897365995711?s=46&t=JpGJGF4HB4hL-rjDWHi4Gg)
I think MU was rumored to be involved with this guy in the transfer portal last offseason.
Hope Shaka is Not biting his nose to spite his face. Feel if there is a transfer out there that can help our team we should take him.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 08, 2025, 01:03:01 PMHope Shaka is biting his nose to spite his face. Feel if there is a transfer out there that can help our team we should take him.
Why do you want Shaka to bite his own nose?
I do admit, that would be a pretty neat trick though.
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 01:33:59 PMWhy do you want Shaka to bite his own nose?
I do admit, that would be a pretty neat trick though.
Not as crazy as the trick reeko can do
Quote from: jfp61 on April 07, 2025, 07:45:33 PMAll UW jokes aside.
Gold was about the 70th best center last year. And is around the 40th best returning next year.
Quit saying centers from crap teams are better than him. (this isn't just you)
70th best. That always gets fans excited.
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 01:33:59 PMWhy do you want Shaka to bite his own nose?
I do admit, that would be a pretty neat trick though.
Lol forgot to add is "Not" biting
After previously committing to Ole Miss Pop Issacs is off to Houston. I guess Uzan thinks hes going to the NBA after playing like crap the past few games
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1909774196038942966?t=RwKFtUPJPCkPBUQnryRA4A&s=19
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 07, 2025, 08:16:29 PMAnyone have any centers they'd like to see Shaka bring on?
Hakeem Olajuwon, C 7'
portal (timeline) 1983
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 08, 2025, 08:45:27 PMHakeem Olajuwon, C 7'
portal (timeline) 1983
We got him!
Joshua Clark Sharing the unique experience of playing high school basketball with the same team as Hakeem Olajuwon's sons:
"Hakeem comes to every game. He has two sons on our team right now, and he's been a big mentor to me. I worked with him, and he showed me simple things in the game that are not really hard, but you have to take the small details and apply them in games. He's really taught me a lot over the past two years, and he has been a great mentor to me."
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 08, 2025, 08:42:56 PMAfter previously committing to Ole Miss Pop Issacs is off to Houston. I guess Uzan thinks hes going to the NBA after playing like crap the past few games
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1909774196038942966?t=RwKFtUPJPCkPBUQnryRA4A&s=19
Who will ever forget Creighton's Pop Isaacs Era?
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 09:53:07 PMWho will ever forget Creighton's Pop Isaacs Era?
I've had soda pop that lasted longer.
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 01:33:59 PMWhy do you want Shaka to bite his own nose?
I do admit, that would be a pretty neat trick though.
70th best. That always gets fans excited.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on April 08, 2025, 10:21:48 PM70th best. That always gets fans excited.
Don't get excited about a bunch of trash worse than that.
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 09:53:07 PMWho will ever forget Creighton's Pop Isaacs Era?
It's right up there with our Jose Perez era.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 08, 2025, 08:45:27 PMHakeem Olajuwon, C 7'
portal (timeline) 1983
Did anyone see the 30 for 30 that talked about how (then) Akeem ended up at Houston? He flew into JFK to enroll at St. John's, but someone forgot to pick him up. He had two other tickets to fly to Louisville or Houston. He asked a Nigerian baggage handler which place was warmer. The guy told him Houston and the rest is history.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 09, 2025, 09:54:49 AMDid anyone see the 30 for 30 that talked about how (then) Akeem ended up at Houston? He flew into JFK to enroll at St. John's, but someone forgot to pick him up. He had two other tickets to fly to Louisville or Houston. He asked a Nigerian baggage handler which place was warmer. The guy told him Houston and the rest is history.
Majerus fouled that one up
Did he accidentally catch Hakeem polishing his bayonet?
Nick Janowski of Pewaukee in portal now. Was recruited by Shaka. Redshirted this past season as a frosh. Former teammate of MilanMomcilovic. He is 6'4" and averaged 30.6 ppg as a HS senior. A very good shooter/scorer. Would be a nice get for MU. Will he end up with TJ at ISU?
Quote from: PJDunn on April 09, 2025, 10:52:12 AMDid he accidentally catch Hakeem polishing his bayonet?
There's gotta be a story here that I haven't heard. Please share...
Scooter McCray
Is that why we lost Scooter and Rodney McCray to Louisville?
https://x.com/KendallBlue9/status/1910016949289115711?t=SXOaiUSICTpT9D8UIYIIQA&s=19
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2025, 05:21:09 PMGuess we'll have to settle for Isaac or Jacob.
Maybe Cain if he is Abel?
Quote from: augoman on April 09, 2025, 01:55:50 PMIs that why we lost Scooter and Rodney McCray to Louisville?
Not sure what Rick thought about that, but not getting the McCrays was the start of the downfall of the program in the 80's.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 09, 2025, 04:45:24 PMNot sure what Rick thought about that, but not getting the McCrays was the start of the downfall of the program in the 80's.
That was a sticky situation - from what I've heard. Through no fault of Big Rick, things became awkward after Majerus popped in unannounced for a home visit. McCrays went to UofL, and the rest is history.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 09, 2025, 12:18:10 PMNick Janowski of Pewaukee in portal now. Was recruited by Shaka. Redshirted this past season as a frosh. Former teammate of MilanMomcilovic. He is 6'4" and averaged 30.6 ppg as a HS senior. A very good shooter/scorer. Would be a nice get for MU. Will he end up with TJ at ISU?
I know nothing about this kid and I know nothing about what Shaka is thinking re the two openings on the roster. But I could see Shaka going for a more under-the-radar guy who still has lots of eligibility left, who wouldn't cost a ton, who can fill a specific need (3-point shooting in this case), and who wants to fit in with a program like ours.
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 09, 2025, 05:21:07 PMThat was a sticky situation - from what I've heard. Through no fault of Big Rick, things became awkward after Majerus popped in unannounced for a home visit. McCrays went to UofL, and the rest is history.
Raymonds dropped that ball.
Quote from: MU82 on April 09, 2025, 05:49:55 PMI know nothing about this kid and I know nothing about what Shaka is thinking re the two openings on the roster. But I could see Shaka going for a more under-the-radar guy who still has lots of eligibility left, who wouldn't cost a ton, who can fill a specific need (3-point shooting in this case), and who wants to fit in with a program like ours.
I basically get 100% of my recruiting news from MUscoop. From what I have read here Shaka promises his players and the players he is recruiting that he is about development and will not use the portal to bring in players over them. Assuming this is the case, he is not going to go after a player in the portal. It would make him a liar and would have negative effect on his recruiting efforts for next year.
There also is no need to have all 15 scholarships filled.
Quote from: bilsu on April 09, 2025, 07:21:55 PMI basically get 100% of my recruiting news from MUscoop. From what I have read here Shaka promises his players and the players he is recruiting that he is about development and will not use the portal to bring in players over them. Assuming this is the case, he is not going to go after a player in the portal. It would make him a liar and would have negative effect on his recruiting efforts for next year.
I'm not sure your assumptions are correct.
Quote from: bilsu on April 09, 2025, 07:21:55 PMI basically get 100% of my recruiting news from MUscoop. From what I have read here Shaka promises his players and the players he is recruiting that he is about development and will not use the portal to bring in players over them. Assuming this is the case, he is not going to go after a player in the portal. It would make him a liar and would have negative effect on his recruiting efforts for next year.
There also is no need to have all 15 scholarships filled.
He has talked to at least 1 transfer each year.
It doesn't work out because transfers don't want to be bench players at our school, which is fine.
Quote from: bilsu on April 09, 2025, 07:21:55 PMFrom what I have read here Shaka promises his players and the players he is recruiting that he is about development and will not use the portal to bring in players over them. Assuming this is the case, he is not going to go after a player in the portal. It would make him a liar and would have negative effect on his recruiting efforts for next year.
There also is no need to have all 15 scholarships filled.
You are absolutely incorrect. Bizarro.
bilsu is a big fan of Porter Moser, who has used the portal brilliantly to build teams that have won 3 straight national titles at Oklahoma.
https://dictatethepace.substack.com/p/very-early-portal-thoughts?r=3c83m
QuoteToo Many Open High-Major Spots and Not Enough Players
A rudimentary, middle school-level supply and demand problem. The long-anticipated matriculation of many of the 5th/6th year geriatrics out of college basketball and into the workforce has predictably resulted in a de facto short squeeze. Developmentally maxed-out mid-major players who wouldn't have sniffed a high-major rotation spot last year are now being signed to lucrative deals to be 3rd/4th options for Power 4 teams. The second-order effect here — and this is merely a working hypothesis — is that the Tier 1/Elite teams (say, the top 5-8) will be somewhat down from last season's extraordinary heights, while the Tier 2/Tier 3 teams (10 through 40 ish) will be way down. While Louisville and Vanderbilt were able to build Tournament-level rosters last year strictly utilizing the Portal, such a task is significantly more difficult this season (as Baylor is likely to find out) due to the paucity of P4-caliber players available in the Portal. There's no margin for error for these "build your roster from scratch" teams. Every "get" has to hit (or at least not completely flop).
Maybe Shaka is on to something. The crux of this seems to be that everyone is competing for the same mid major players.
Amadou and Itejere were snapped up by the A-10. Could it be there just aren't that many upgrades out there now that the COVID year is done?
Though later in the article, the author name drops Shaka and says that not using the portal is a ceiling capper.
Quote from: tower912 on April 17, 2025, 09:27:52 AMMaybe Shaka is on to something. The crux of this seems to be that everyone is competing for the same mid major players.
Amadou and Itejere were snapped up by the A-10. Could it be there just aren't that many upgrades out there now that the COVID year is done?
Though later in the article, the author name drops Shaka and says that not using the portal is a ceiling capper.
McGuire and Buzz used JC transfers to fill holes. While I admire Shaka for what he wants to do, I do think not taking transfers is a ceiling capper. However, on the other hand he does not lose good players to the portal. Wisconsin goes to the portal but also loses players. One coach takes the long-term view, and the other coach takes the short-term view.
" One coach takes the long-term view, and the other coach takes the short-term view."
And yet neither one has had any significant tourney success.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 17, 2025, 11:04:41 AM" One coach takes the long-term view, and the other coach takes the short-term view."
And yet neither one has had any significant tourney success.
Well, if you don't count a Final Four as "significant tourney success," sure.
Relationship building in the portal....... 8-)
https://x.com/coachjack212/status/1912471238775091529?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Scott Drew will have to be Mr. Transfer Portal after Baylor lost ALL 14 of its players from this past season's team - 4 to graduation, 1 to pro hoops and 9 to the portal.
A few Scoopers are jealous of his good fortune.
Chad Baker Mazara gonna be homeless at 30 book it
Quote from: MU82 on April 17, 2025, 11:40:24 AMScott Drew will have to be Mr. Transfer Portal after Baylor lost ALL 14 of its players from this past season's team - 4 to graduation, 1 to pro hoops and 9 to the portal.
A few Scoopers are jealous of his good fortune.
IU, also.
I am getting enjoyment out of all these middling Big East fanbases clowning Shaka and Marquette for their portal strategy. For most of them, the offseason is the only time they can get their shots in.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 17, 2025, 11:16:45 AMWell, if you don't count a Final Four as "significant tourney success," sure.
First, while Shaka made a Final Four, and that'll never be taken away from him and he gets all the credit any coach should get for it, there hasn't been any significant tourney success for Shaka since then. It is a legitimate criticism of him since that run, as I think he's gotten his teams out of the first weekend once since then. That includes being the coach at 2 very well resourced programs, including Texas, which is better resourced than any athletics department in the country. At MU, he has underperformed his seed every year and his 3 best teams all lost to double-digit seeds.
Second, how is a Final Four 15 years ago relevant to the discussion about the transfer portal and NIL? Back in the pre-NIL era, there were a ton of coaches who would have taken a long-term view of roster building. Greg Gard would probably still be building a roster the way Bo Ryan did, and the way Shaka is. Jay Wright may still be at Villanova. Maybe Coach K would still be paying off officials at Duke. But, that isn't the reality anyone's living in anymore.
The transfer portal is not a panacea. But, players are professionals now who can come and go as they please. Take care of the guys you recruited and have become cornerstone players. Those who don't pan out, let them go and find the right level for their talents. Then go out and get other players from other programs, and often lower levels, who appear talented enough to move up in competition and complement the guys already in your program. It makes a coaches job a bigger pain in the ass with no down time. But, that's the profession they continue to choose.
Quote from: Nutty on April 17, 2025, 12:30:00 PMFirst, while Shaka made a Final Four, and that'll never be taken away from him and he gets all the credit any coach should get for it, there hasn't been any significant tourney success for Shaka since then. It is a legitimate criticism of him since that run, as I think he's gotten his teams out of the first weekend once since then. That includes being the coach at 2 very well resourced programs, including Texas, which is better resourced than any athletics department in the country. At MU, he has underperformed his seed every year and his 3 best teams all lost to double-digit seeds.
Second, how is a Final Four 15 years ago relevant to the discussion about the transfer portal and NIL? Back in the pre-NIL era, there were a ton of coaches who would have taken a long-term view of roster building. Greg Gard would probably still be building a roster the way Bo Ryan did, and the way Shaka is. Jay Wright may still be at Villanova. Maybe Coach K would still be paying off officials at Duke. But, that isn't the reality anyone's living in anymore.
The transfer portal is not a panacea. But, players are professionals now who can come and go as they please. Take care of the guys you recruited and have become cornerstone players. Those who don't pan out, let them go and find the right level for their talents. Then go out and get other players from other programs, and often lower levels, who appear talented enough to move up in competition and complement the guys already in your program. It makes a coaches job a bigger pain in the ass with no down time. But, that's the profession they continue to choose.
Lots of words when simply saying "the OP was wrong" would have sufficed.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 17, 2025, 12:31:37 PMLots of words when simply saying "the OP was wrong" would have sufficed.
Where is the fun in that?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 17, 2025, 11:16:45 AMWell, if you don't count a Final Four as "significant tourney success," sure.
In current NIL and portal times....
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 17, 2025, 01:47:05 PMIn current NIL and portal times....
Okay, so he hasn't had "significant NCAA Tournament success" since NIL was passed. That's been a whopping 3 college basketball seasons, of which he's made a Sweet 16.
Marquette has advanced beyond that point 7 times in the history of the program. I hate to break it to Marquette fans, but we shouldn't be a fanbase to turn our nose up at a Sweet 16 appearance. We have 6, including 1 from Shaka, since the 1979-1980 season. An average of one every 7.5 years. Shaka has one in three since NIL became a thing.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 17, 2025, 01:51:23 PMOkay, so he hasn't had "significant NCAA Tournament success" since NIL was passed. That's been a whopping 3 college basketball seasons, of which he's made a Sweet 16.
Marquette has advanced beyond that point 7 times in the history of the program. I hate to break it to Marquette fans, but we shouldn't be a fanbase to turn our nose up at a Sweet 16 appearance. We have 6, including 1 from Shaka, since the 1979-1980 season. An average of one every 7.5 years. Shaka has one in three since NIL became a thing.
He owes Point Warrior more success
Quote from: wadesworld on April 17, 2025, 01:51:23 PMOkay, so he hasn't had "significant NCAA Tournament success" since NIL was passed. That's been a whopping 3 college basketball seasons, of which he's made a Sweet 16.
Marquette has advanced beyond that point 7 times in the history of the program. I hate to break it to Marquette fans, but we shouldn't be a fanbase to turn our nose up at a Sweet 16 appearance. We have 6, including 1 from Shaka, since the 1979-1980 season. An average of one every 7.5 years. Shaka has one in three since NIL became a thing.
cool, I won't expect another sweet 16 from Shaka for 4.5 more years then...
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 17, 2025, 02:00:09 PMcool, I won't expect another sweet 16 from Shaka for 4.5 more years then...
Hope and expect are different things.
I hope I'll go home tonight and my daughter will start walking or talking, she hasn't done so though so what right would I have to expect it?
If you expect something that hasn't happened with regularity then your expectations aren't reasonable. I hope Shaka gets us there after next year but yeah given our second weekends look like this since Al's guys stopped playing:
94....... 2003.......2011 (which we were the underdog) 2012 2013....... 2024
Then it's ridiculous to put your nose in the air and say "he's just meeting program expectations"
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 17, 2025, 05:01:10 PMHope and expect are different things.
I hope I'll go home tonight and my daughter will start walking or talking, she hasn't done so though so what right would I have to expect it?
If you expect something that hasn't happened with regularity then your expectations aren't reasonable. I hope Shaka gets us there after next year but yeah given our second weekends look like this since Al's guys stopped playing:
94....... 2003.......2011 (which we were the underdog) 2012 2013....... 2024
Then it's ridiculous to put your nose in the air and say "he's just meeting program expectations"
COLE has not disappeared from the board.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 17, 2025, 05:01:10 PMHope and expect are different things.
I hope I'll go home tonight and my daughter will start walking or talking, she hasn't done so though so what right would I have to expect it?
If you expect something that hasn't happened with regularity then your expectations aren't reasonable. I hope Shaka gets us there after next year but yeah given our second weekends look like this since Al's guys stopped playing:
94....... 2003.......2011 (which we were the underdog) 2012 2013....... 2024
Then it's ridiculous to put your nose in the air and say "he's just meeting program expectations"
I don't count Sweet 16's until the tourney expanded to 64. I might give you 32 teams but Sweet 16's before 1975 when the tourney maxed out at 25? Nah
I just hope we can have the same
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 17, 2025, 05:31:33 PMCOLE has not disappeared from the board.
I mean, you're among the Scoopers hoping we can copy Greg Gard's blueprint for his amazing NCAA Tournament success in the NIL/portal era.
Hoping that Shaka builds a team capable of a solitary first-round win over a 14-seed - take that, Montana! - isn't COLE at all.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2025, 05:33:29 PMI don't count Sweet 16's until the tourney expanded to 64. I might give you 32 teams but Sweet 16's before 1975 when the tourney maxed out at 25? Nah
They were just the subjectively the best 16 teams in America. I agree they may not have objectively earned it but they must have been pretty damn good.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on April 17, 2025, 07:23:47 PMThey were just the subjectively the best 16 teams in America. I agree they may not have objectively earned it but they must have been pretty damn good.
One conference champ and some independents. Nope
I love me some Rico. But i disagree that it wasn't an accomplishment.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on April 17, 2025, 07:30:56 PMI love me some Rico. But i disagree that it wasn't an accomplishment.
Too many teams got left out.
I get your point.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 17, 2025, 05:31:33 PMCOLE has not disappeared from the board.
You're right, I expect a championship every year. Now you're the COLE
Quote from: MU82 on April 17, 2025, 06:08:42 PMI just hope we can have the same
I mean, you're among the Scoopers hoping we can copy Greg Gard's blueprint for his amazing NCAA Tournament success in the NIL/portal era.
Hoping that Shaka builds a team capable of a solitary first-round win over a 14-seed - take that, Montana! - isn't COLE at all.
Nah, Gard is not having NCAA success either - I posted that above.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 17, 2025, 08:34:40 PMNah, Gard is not having NCAA success either - I posted that above.
Oh, I thought you were one of the folks who screams about Shaka's abject failure as a coach every time Gard lands a portal superstar.
1,000 apologies if I got that wrong.
An incredibly boring portal season is a good one for Shaka and Co.
So far so good!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 17, 2025, 11:50:16 PMAn incredibly boring portal season is a good one for Shaka and Co.
So far so good!
Yes. Inactivity in the portal is always a good sign, especially since the cupboard is so packed.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 18, 2025, 03:47:59 AMYes. Inactivity in the portal is always a good sign, especially since the cupboard is so packed.
Glad you agree
CBS Big Board of Transfers:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2025-inside-indianas-monster-two-days-in-portal-combat/
Pitino loses another one to the portal, that backcourt is looking very thin.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 18, 2025, 08:15:45 AMPitino loses another one to the portal, that backcourt is looking very thin.
Huh.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 18, 2025, 08:15:45 AMPitino loses another one to the portal, that backcourt is looking very thin.
Adapt or die
Guys. Pitino won the BE regular season and tournament title and was a 2 seed in year 2. Even with a second round loss to a 10 seed, we could only dream Shaka could have that type of success. He's only recruiting portal guys. Pitino gets it.
Yep. Winning the Big East title in season 2 and getting a 2 seed is quite an accomplishment. Something to aspire to and be proud of.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 18, 2025, 08:15:45 AMPitino loses another one to the portal, that backcourt is looking very thin.
Nah, they use the portal and have a huge NIL fund. We can just put it in ink that they're going to win the BEAST every year and get a protected seed.
right guys?
Quote from: tower912 on April 18, 2025, 08:34:10 AMYep. Winning the Big East title in season 2 an getting a 2 seed is quite an accomplishment. Something to aspire to and be proud of.
I'm not sure we will ever get there with Shaka.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 18, 2025, 08:45:41 AMNah, they use the portal and have a huge NIL fund. We can just put it in ink that they're going to win the BEAST every year and get a protected seed.
right guys?
Adapt or die
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 18, 2025, 08:45:41 AMNah, they use the portal and have a huge NIL fund. We can just put it in ink that they're going to win the BEAST every year and get a protected seed.
right guys?
Creighton right there.
Daniel Freitag, ex-Badger, transfers to mid-major Buffalo. Guess he was just overrated.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 18, 2025, 10:01:42 AMDaniel Freitag, ex-Badger, transfers to mid-major Buffalo. Guess he was just overrated.
But I was told he was Devin Harris 2.0!!
Badgers get one recruit with decent athleticism and fans automatically assume he'll be a lotto pick. Gotta love that fanbase.
Not sure I see how St. Johns can consider this offseason a success.
Lost Wilcher, Luis, Glover, and others.
They'll still be good, but you need some continuity to win a Title and they'll be brand new for the most part.
Quote from: JTJ3 on April 18, 2025, 10:36:03 AMBut I was told he was Devin Harris 2.0!!
Badgers get one recruit with decent athleticism and fans automatically assume he'll be a lotto pick. Gotta love that fanbase.
I'm all for making fun of UW's fans base but let's not forget that people on here thought Haanif Cheatham was going to be going pro early after his freshman year...
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 18, 2025, 11:10:40 AMI'm all for making fun of UW's fans base but let's not forget that people on here thought Haanif Cheatham was going to be going pro early after his freshman year...
And that posters here dismissed OMax, Oso, and TKo way too early.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 18, 2025, 11:10:40 AMI'm all for making fun of UW's fans base but let's not forget that people on here thought Haanif Cheatham was going to be going pro early after his freshman year...
That Drake friendship hasn't aged gracefully either.
https://x.com/CBB_Central/status/1913262882151678256?t=B6g0yoBbGWZkW5WdeVBc2A&s=19
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 18, 2025, 11:10:40 AMI'm all for making fun of UW's fans base but let's not forget that people on here thought Haanif Cheatham was going to be going pro early after his freshman year...
Oh I know, I totally agree. Every fanbase does it.
Just like to poke fun at the Badgers and their fans when I can.
I am very intrigued to observe the continuity vs patchwork program structures this year post-covid year. Should be fun.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 18, 2025, 07:22:17 AMCBS Big Board of Transfers:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2025-inside-indianas-monster-two-days-in-portal-combat/
Looks like Mark Cuban is spending his money on Indiana Football and Indiana Basketball
Quote from: JTJ3 on April 18, 2025, 10:36:03 AMBut I was told he was Devin Harris 2.0!!
Badgers get one recruit with decent athleticism and fans automatically assume he'll be a lotto pick. Gotta love that fanbase.
Freitag is nice tbh. Might be a Gard thing. Can't wait for the red tears to fall.
Is Rothstein this out of touch or just stupid?
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1912981446492369344?t=i3HIxAAC-xZHWNshNuoLcg&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 18, 2025, 02:20:42 PMIs Rothstein this out of touch or just stupid?
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1912981446492369344?t=i3HIxAAC-xZHWNshNuoLcg&s=19
Yes
Darius Adams, a top 25-30'ish recruit, decommitted from UConn.
You have to imagine NIL and the portal (in terms of UConn using it) was a factor in that decision.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 19, 2025, 07:04:02 PMDarius Adams, a top 25-30'ish recruit, decommitted from UConn.
You have to imagine NIL and the portal (in terms of UConn using it) was a factor in that decision.
Suspect the portal is the big part. Adams is watching what Abrahams and others are experiencing relative to that at UConn.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 19, 2025, 07:04:02 PMDarius Adams, a top 25-30'ish recruit, decommitted from UConn.
You have to imagine NIL and the portal (in terms of UConn using it) was a factor in that decision.
I think it has a lot more to do with Solo Ball returning.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 19, 2025, 08:40:12 PMI think it has a lot more to do with Solo Ball returning.
Ball is part of it for sure, but bringing in two guard transfers certainly didn't help.
He was the worst of their three incoming 5star frosh. UConn will be just fine
And the portal goes round and round.....round and round.....round and round......
https://x.com/duncpowell_/status/1913729561235538145?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 19, 2025, 07:04:02 PMDarius Adams, a top 25-30'ish recruit, decommitted from UConn.
You have to imagine NIL and the portal (in terms of UConn using it) was a factor in that decision.
So UConn loses a Top 25 transfer. Dain Dainja's agency tried putting him in the portal to make more money for themselves, Haggerty asking for $4 million, and people still want Shaka to deal with all that.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 10:32:03 AMSo UConn loses a Top 25 transfer. Dain Dainja's agency tried putting him in the portal to make more money for themselves, Haggerty asking for $4 million, and people still want Shaka to deal with all that.
System is broke it's ridiculous. A coach and assistants can work there ass off trying to get a kid, then a month before signing they can drop a bigger bag, sad
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 10:32:03 AMSo UConn loses a Top 25 transfer. Dain Dainja's agency tried putting him in the portal to make more money for themselves, Haggerty asking for $4 million, and people still want Shaka to deal with all that.
Shaka already has been dealing with all that. He deals with it by doing what's necessary to retain the players he and his assistants have developed, fending off poaching attempts by other coaches.
Each member of the top-15 incoming class has cited Shaka's recruit/develop/retain philosophy as a major reason he picked Marquette.
Not only hasn't Shaka lost any rotation players to the portal, he hasn't had any recruit decommit and go elsewhere.
In the process, his teams have comfortably made the NCAA Tournament every year, have won a Big East title and a BET title, and have made a second-weekend NCAAT appearance.
It's fair to wonder if Shaka should have at least brought in a supporting-cast player or two through the portal, and it's fair that fans always want even more on-court success.
But overall, what Shaka has accomplished in this era has been quite remarkable.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 20, 2025, 10:38:55 AMSystem is broke it's ridiculous. A coach and assistants can work there ass off trying to get a kid, then a month before signing they can drop a bigger bag, sad
It happened before. Now it is overt.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 10:32:03 AMSo UConn loses a Top 25 transfer. Dain Dainja's agency tried putting him in the portal to make more money for themselves, Haggerty asking for $4 million, and people still want Shaka to deal with all that.
Yes, find a guard at a mid major better than what we have on the roster. And i guarantee you, it is possible for 500k
And we have circled back to the beginning. Shaka has said multiple times that he would rather retain and develop instead of dropping a bag on a 17 ppg scorer from the Horizon league. So, sure, it is possible. But unlikely.
Quote from: tower912 on April 20, 2025, 11:19:51 AMAnd we have circled back to the beginning. Shaka has said multiple times that he would rather retain and develop instead of dropping a bag on a 17 ppg scorer from the Horizon league. So, sure, it is possible. But unlikely.
I have an infinite more confidence in Chase Ross being that guy over some rando from a mid major.
Wondered how it would work long-term but I am totally bought in and love what Shaka is doing. It is sustainable.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 11:24:26 AMI have an infinite more amount of Chase Ross being that guy over some rando from a mid major.
Yea, when I was talking about our guards not being good enough next year, I was clearly referring to Chase Ross.
Not the 5'9" guard with a degenerative injury, or the guard with a 10% usage rate who looks lost on the court at times, or the shooting guard version of Derrick Wilson.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 11:29:14 AMYea, when I was talking about our guards not being good enough next year, I was clearly referring to Chase Ross.
Not the 5'9" guard with a degenerative injury, or the guard with a 10% usage rate who looks lost on the court at times, or the shooting guard version of Derrick Wilson.
Easter Day jokes eh?
He is Risen and perhaps so will they! Or perhaps not...
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 11:29:14 AMYea, when I was talking about our guards not being good enough next year, I was clearly referring to Chase Ross.
Not the 5'9" guard with a degenerative injury, or the guard with a 10% usage rate who looks lost on the court at times, or the shooting guard version of Derrick Wilson.
Sean Jones
Chase Ross
Zaide Lowery
Will be an awesome back court. We'll see how their backups look.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:43 AMSean Jones
Chase Ross
Zaide Lowery
Will be an awesome back court. We'll see how their backups look.
Sean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.
I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:09:38 PMSean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.
I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.
All your data based off +- stats or other stats too?
If so, will you at least acknowledge that theirs is somewhat skewed because of playing many of those possessions with backups?
You make these assertions quite confidently, and I always appreciate a differing perspective than the herd, but most here seem to see something in Zaide especially that you don't.
I don't considerate mean spirited when it's data driven and not an attack, as long as we take the data for what it is.
The eye test, some of the best data out there, screams that Zaide seems to be primed to make a big leap.
As for SJ22, he was one of the guys I rooted for the most before his injury, and he handled the rehab/off the court stuff way better than anyone could hope so he's easy to pull for. That doesn't mean he will be a good/great BE guard because who knows the effect that injury will have. We won't know until the ball is tipped
Zaire Lowery
Freshman year
ortg 94
Efg% 41.8
Defensive rebound rate 11.7
Turnover rate 16.8
Blk % 1.2
Assist rate 4.5
Steal% 1.8
2 point pct 35%
3 point pct 31%
Sophomore season
Ortg 119
Efg% 57.4
Def reb rate 17.7
Turnover rate 10.3
Assist rate 2.4
Steal.pct 2.5
2 pt fg pct 58.7
3pt pct 37.5
Blk rate .5 %
Yes his usage is low but pct of shots went up from 10.9 his first year to 13.5 his 2nd.
Outside of his free throw rate and block rate every stat was either similar or improved......exactly the kind of progress you would want to see.
Although he played fewer minutes his sophomore stats compare very favorably with Chase's sophomore stats.
Growth isn't linear so we will see how it goes this season but fans that dismiss him are ignoring our recent history.
Kam got better........Stevie got better.......Chase got better........
Quote from: MuMark on April 20, 2025, 12:31:44 PMZaire Lowery
Freshman year
ortg 94
Efg% 41.8
Defensive rebound rate 11.7
Turnover rate 16.8
Blk % 1.2
Assist rate 4.5
Steal% 1.8
2 point pct 35%
3 point pct 31%
Sophomore season
Ortg 119
Efg% 57.4
Def reb rate 17.7
Turnover rate 10.3
Assist rate 2.4
Steal.pct 2.5
2 pt fg pct 58.7
3pt pct 37.5
Blk rate .5 %
Yes his usage is low but pct of shots went up from 10.9 his first year to 13.5 his 2nd.
Outside of his free throw rate and block rate every stat was either similar or improved......exactly the kind of progress you would want to see.
Although he played fewer minutes his sophomore stats compare very favorably with Chase's sophomore stats.
Growth isn't linear so we will see how it goes this season but fans that dismiss him are ignoring our recent history.
Kam got better........Stevie got better.......Chase got better........
Feelings don't care about facts
Objective facts are no match for the Scoop scouting report.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:09:38 PMSean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.
I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.
If you're not optimistic about what Zaide can potentially bring this upcoming season I'm not sure what you were watching.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 20, 2025, 12:22:04 PMAll your data based off +- stats or other stats too?
If so, will you at least acknowledge that theirs is somewhat skewed because of playing many of those possessions with backups?
You make these assertions quite confidently, and I always appreciate a differing perspective than the herd, but most here seem to see something in Zaide especially that you don't.
I don't considerate mean spirited when it's data driven and not an attack, as long as we take the data for what it is.
The eye test, some of the best data out there, screams that Zaide seems to be primed to make a big leap.
As for SJ22, he was one of the guys I rooted for the most before his injury, and he handled the rehab/off the court stuff way better than anyone could hope so he's easy to pull for. That doesn't mean he will be a good/great BE guard because who knows the effect that injury will have. We won't know until the ball is tipped
Keeping it short.
Zaide.
Offense. Shoots fine on limited usage. Zero creativity in the half court. Second lowest creativity to Tre. Low usage rate appears to be because of turnover issues in the half court.(dates back to high school). Close to Heldt at the guard than Jimmy B.
Defense. Loses man frequently. Has all the traits you'd need but doesn't put it together. Feels like Elliot with more traits. No clear improvement from year one to year two on this end of the court like we saw with Kam. Worst non-freshman as a defender last year.
As for Sean. If you are short, and you can't shoot the cover off of the ball or create at a high level, you just don't make it at this level. And his trait to do it was his pace, and since he tore his ACL and hasn't played for a year.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:52:46 PMKeeping it short.
Zaide.
Offense. Shoots fine on limited usage. Zero creativity in the half court. Second lowest creativity to Tre. Low usage rate appears to be because of turnover issues in the half court.(dates back to high school). Close to Heldt at the guard than Jimmy B.
Defense. Loses man frequently. Has all the traits you'd need but doesn't put it together. Feels like Elliot with more traits. No clear improvement from year one to year two on this end of the court like we saw with Kam. Worst non-freshman as a defender last year.
As I said...
Quote from: The Sultan on April 20, 2025, 12:48:40 PMObjective facts are no match for the Scoop scouting report.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:57:24 PMI was asked not to use stats
Convenient for you. Why use facts when we can get your scouting report?
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:52:46 PMKeeping it short.
Zaide.
Offense. Shoots fine on limited usage. Zero creativity in the half court. Second lowest creativity to Tre. Low usage rate appears to be because of turnover issues in the half court.(dates back to high school). Close to Heldt at the guard than Jimmy B.
Defense. Loses man frequently. Has all the traits you'd need but doesn't put it together. Feels like Elliot with more traits. No clear improvement from year one to year two on this end of the court like we saw with Kam. Worst non-freshman as a defender last year.
LOL
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:09:38 PMSean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.
I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.
There actually are numerous signs that they could be good.
Before he got hurt, Sean Jones flat-out won games for us in 2023 against high-level competition - including the then-#1 team in the country. A good argument can be made that being a key contributor to victories over Kansas, Creighton, UCLA and Illinois is a pretty positive "sign."
Zaide Lowery improved considerably as a sophomore, especially after he was fully healthy and his playing time increased. One could argue that shooting .545 from 3 while averaging 6 points in 16 mpg over a two-month stretch, with only 2 turnovers in those 14 games, is a pretty positive "sign."
You are allowed to have an
opinion that neither will prove to be a good basketball player for Marquette for whatever reasons you want to cite. But to say there is "no sign" - as if it's a fact - means you're just willing to be wrong in a poor attempt at making a point.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:52:46 PMKeeping it short.
Zaide.
Defense. Loses man frequently. Has all the traits you'd need but doesn't put it together. Feels like Elliot with more traits. No clear improvement from year one to year two on this end of the court like we saw with Kam. Worst non-freshman as a defender last year.
I missed this.
What I saw was a very capable and able/active defender, that rebounded well and set a tone with his presence.
Making some shots was just an add-on that I wasn't expecting, but as many have said his form looks very good and repeatable. I would argue that his shooting success in years 3/4 depends more on what's in between the ears/confidence than the form and ability.
As for the disagreement on the defensive end- I'll defer to Shaka who, when Zaide seemed healthy, inserted him into the lineup as a defensive presence.
I agree with the turnovers and ability to distribute- I don't think this will ever be one of his strengths. I think he will be a slasher/shooter/rebounder that uses his athletic gifts to excel on the defensive end and create a lot of EGBs on the offensive end.
As a caveat- I think we need to be careful with this "all-purpose and well-rounded" guard type that Shaka has tried to make, and succeeded for the most part, with TyKo and Kam.
Those guys had ELITE skills.
It's more likely that future teams will have guys that excel at certain things, and others that pick up the remaining facets offensively.
Defensively, hopefully most are net positives rather than negatives.
I worry about the smaller size PGs but Shaka doesn't, so I'm fine with it and we will see how it plays out
I mean, Lowery had 10 turnovers all last season - including only 4 after Dec. 1, when Shaka started playing him 15-20 minutes in most games. He had zero TOs in 24 of the 31 games he played.
We need more "turnover-prone" players like that.
Quote from: MU82 on April 20, 2025, 01:14:30 PMI mean, Lowery had 10 turnovers all last season - including only 4 after Dec. 1, when Shaka started playing him 15-20 minutes in most games. He had zero TOs in 24 of the 31 games he played.
We need more "turnover-prone" players like that.
It's because he has a usage rate closer to our Shaka smart than Kam.
Quote from: MuMark on April 20, 2025, 12:31:44 PMZaire Lowery
Freshman year
ortg 94
Efg% 41.8
Defensive rebound rate 11.7
Turnover rate 16.8
Blk % 1.2
Assist rate 4.5
Steal% 1.8
2 point pct 35%
3 point pct 31%
Sophomore season
Ortg 119
Efg% 57.4
Def reb rate 17.7
Turnover rate 10.3
Assist rate 2.4
Steal.pct 2.5
2 pt fg pct 58.7
3pt pct 37.5
Blk rate .5 %
Yes his usage is low but pct of shots went up from 10.9 his first year to 13.5 his 2nd.
Outside of his free throw rate and block rate every stat was either similar or improved......exactly the kind of progress you would want to see.
Although he played fewer minutes his sophomore stats compare very favorably with Chase's sophomore stats.
Growth isn't linear so we will see how it goes this season but fans that dismiss him are ignoring our recent history.
Kam got better........Stevie got better.......Chase got better........
Defense no matta
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 11:29:14 AMYea, when I was talking about our guards not being good enough next year, I was clearly referring to Chase Ross.
Not the 5'9" guard with a degenerative injury, or the guard with a 10% usage rate who looks lost on the court at times, or the shooting guard version of Derrick Wilson.
What on earth is "degenerative" about an ACL tear?
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on April 20, 2025, 01:34:13 PMWhat on earth is "degenerative" about an ACL tear?
Would you rather me say "typically degenerative"?
Typically when you tear an acl. You don't run faster. You lose function.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 01:29:30 PMDefense no matta
Which isn't going to be an issue for Zaide
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 20, 2025, 01:48:06 PMWhich isn't going to be an issue for Zaide
I prefer good defenders to "defend good"
Not worse than kam did as a sophomore, despite having more traits to be able to defend.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 01:56:34 PMI prefer good defenders to "defend good"
Not worse than kam did as a sophomore, despite having more traits to be able to defend.
He will be fine defensively.
Zaide has registered a block in fewer than 5% of the games he's played in. Amazing.
#BlockRate #Tiny
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 01:46:59 PMWould you rather me say "typically degenerative"?
Typically when you tear an acl. You don't run faster. You lose function.
It's not 1920.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:09:38 PMSean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.
I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.
Zaide is the best rebounder and possibly defender on the team and also lead the team in 3 point shooting?
Chase is the best defender and probably should be again, but Zaide will be in the conversation. To illustrate that Zaide was the most efficient 3 point shooter and best rebounder on the roster, see below.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 02:26:46 PMChase is the best defender and probably should be again, but Zaide will be in the conversation. To illustrate that Zaide was the most efficient 3 point shooter and best rebounder on the roster, see below.
Defensive box is just defensive counting stats.
Not how frequently you get burned
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 20, 2025, 01:59:53 PMZaide has registered a block in fewer than 5% of the games he's played in. Amazing.
#BlockRate #Tiny
Sounds like a future Dallas Mavericks first-round draft pick.
#Z2NBA
Quote from: MU82 on April 20, 2025, 02:33:05 PMSounds like a future Dallas Mavericks first-round draft pick.
#Z2NBA
Zaide has a chance to be a very defender. Progress isn't linear. A healthy off-season and fall will go a long way in helping Zaide reach his full potential which is quite high. It's laughable to think he won't be a better overall player in year 3.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 01:46:59 PMWould you rather me say "typically degenerative"?
Typically when you tear an acl. You don't run faster. You lose function.
Hundreds of high-level athletes have successfully returned from this injury.
Look ... I can't speak for others, but I am not declaring that Sean Jones and/or Zaide Lowery will be good next season. Or even adequate. Because I don't know.
The thing is, neither do you.
For example, you claimed there was "no sign" that either would be good. And when presented with actual signs that they could be good, you either chose to ignore those signs or returned with more evidence-free opinions.
Quote from: MU82 on April 20, 2025, 02:42:47 PMFor example, you claimed there was "no sign" that either would be good. And when presented with actual signs that they could be good, you either chose to ignore those signs or returned with more evidence-free opinions.
I was asked to say why without stats because they would be "skewed" as backups.
I say why with opinion, and without stats.
I get told that I don't have evidence.
Evidently you all have faith that's great. I just want to add one mid major guard in the portal please. That's it.
I don't want to watch these two guys start without competition. It's naive to they will preform at an upper half of the Big East level.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 02:31:28 PMDefensive box is just defensive counting stats.
Not how frequently you get burned
Zaide routinely guarded the other teams best when on the floor and had the 3rd best Defensive Rating on the team.
2nd best among returners.
Chase Ross- 100.9
Zaide Lowery- 101.1
They are both great defenders.
I know the stats that JFP is relying on to inform his opinion of Zaide and Sean. They essentially measure how better/ a team was when a player was on the court vs off the court. It's closest thing there is to a tool to accurarely measure a players total defensive impact.
I'm in a group chat with a guy who tracks these numbers for MU. My recollection is that Zaide dug himself a massive hole in the first half of the season but actually made huge gains in the last third.I think Zaide will be solid next season. I'm more worried about Sean
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 20, 2025, 03:46:28 PMI know the stats that JFP is relying on to inform his opinion of Zaide and Sean. They essentially measure how better/ a team was when a player was on the court vs off the court. It's closest thing there is to a tool to accurarely measure a players total defensive impact.
I'm in a group chat with a guy who tracks these numbers for MU. My recollection is that Zaide dug himself a massive hole in the first half of the season but actually made huge gains in the last third.I think Zaide will be solid next season. I'm more worried about Sean
Plus/Minus?
Zaide has the same individual defensive rating as Micah Peavy of 101.1 which was tied for 11th in the Conference
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 20, 2025, 03:46:28 PMMy recollection is that Zaide dug himself a massive hole in the first half of the season but actually made huge gains in the last third.I think Zaide will be solid next season. I'm more worried about Sean
This is true.... however we were a worse basketball team as the season went on when he was digging out of the hole defensively. He became a just above average college defender in the last 30 days of the season.
Box Scores defense and individual defensive rating are bad stats to me. Remember how great those Luke Fischer blocks were.
Zaide had the second worst ADJ TEAM Defensive Efficency when on the court of the entire team. It was 95.8. Only Demarious Owens was worse at 98.4.
Also it wasn't just that Zaide was stuck playing with the bench. You can look at the team defense on off splits when neither Owens or Caedin played to get a better gage of his impact.
https://hoop-explorer.com/OnOffAnalyzer?autoOffQuery=false&baseQuery=&calcRapm=true&gender=Men&maxRank=400&minRank=0&offQuery=NOT%20%28%22Lowery%2C%20Zaide%22%20%29%20AND%20NOT%20%22Owens%2C%20Damarius%22%20AND%20NOT%20%22Hamilton%2C%20Caedin%22%20&onQuery=%22Lowery%2C%20Zaide%22%20AND%20NOT%20%22Owens%2C%20Damarius%22%20AND%20NOT%20%22Hamilton%2C%20Caedin%22%20&team=Marquette&year=2024%2F25& (https://hoop-explorer.com/OnOffAnalyzer?autoOffQuery=false&baseQuery=&calcRapm=true&gender=Men&maxRank=400&minRank=0&offQuery=NOT%20%28%22Lowery%2C%20Zaide%22%20%29%20AND%20NOT%20%22Owens%2C%20Damarius%22%20AND%20NOT%20%22Hamilton%2C%20Caedin%22%20&onQuery=%22Lowery%2C%20Zaide%22%20AND%20NOT%20%22Owens%2C%20Damarius%22%20AND%20NOT%20%22Hamilton%2C%20Caedin%22%20&team=Marquette&year=2024%2F25&)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 03:29:18 PMZaide routinely guarded the other teams best when on the floor
I missed all of those games he must have started.
Looking forward to growth and development.
Quote from: tower912 on April 20, 2025, 04:11:43 PMLooking forward to growth and development.
I hope so.
Quote from: tower912 on April 20, 2025, 04:11:43 PMLooking forward to growth and development.
No other choice. It will be interesting. If they are an NCAA team this year with the arrow pointing upward, all the portal talk should lessen significantly IMO. I know it won't but that would be my opinion.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 04:10:18 PMI missed all of those games he must have started.
So because he didn't start, he's incapable of guarding the other teams best player? I'm confused.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 03:24:02 PMI was asked to say why without stats because they would be "skewed" as backups.
I say why with opinion, and without stats.
I get told that I don't have evidence.
Evidently you all have faith that's great. I just want to add one mid major guard in the portal please. That's it.
I don't want to watch these two guys start without competition. It's naive to they will preform at an upper half of the Big East level.
As I said, I don't know.
And you don't know, either.
I'd also like to see us bring in an experienced guard (and an experienced big) to be part of next season's rotation, in an ideal world.
But our roster wishes don't mean Jones and Lowery have shown "no sign" that they could be good. Indeed, I provided specific positive signs for each player.
Once upon a time, growth and development was the norm. MU fans were driven crazy by Bo being so good at it up the road. MU has been spoiled only starting 8 players over the last three seasons. Shaka has chosen to stay old school, which feels subversive, instead of getting in a bidding wars for a MAC or Horizon league guard.
I am more optimistic about it than most.
1. The 6th year guys are gone.
2. There simply aren't that many portal guys that MU could afford who are better than what is already at MU.
3. I am genuinely enthused about Ben, Royce, DO, Chase, and Zaide.
4. There are questions about Caedin, Josh, Tre, and Sean's knee. But there are also reasons for optimism.
5. Shaka et al have a history of developing players. As well as the fact that most players get better. So, based on that, they are all going to be somewhat better. The question is how much better and how soon.
For the first time since Shaka's first season, there are unknowns and likely competition for starting spots and other roles. Cool. Sounds like fun.
This is a big year for Shaka because he's only developing his guys now. Wojo was a frustrating in-game coach, among other things, but he and his staff could find some great players. Hopefully Shaka brought in some smart choices as recruits and can make an early difference.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 01:46:59 PMWould you rather me say "typically degenerative"?
Typically when you tear an acl. You don't run faster. You lose function.
jfp, degenerative usually means a wearing out, as something degenerates, as in degenerative arthritis (osteoarthritis). ACL injuries tend to happen to young, active athletes. Rehab from such an injury can lead to performance not characteristic of degenerates, but of otherwise healthy young athletes. Don't write Sean off, there are too many success stories of athletes who have recovered from such injuries.
Quote from: tower912 on April 20, 2025, 05:21:46 PMOnce upon a time, growth and development was the norm. MU fans were driven crazy by Bo being so good at it up the road. MU has been spoiled only starting 8 players over the last three seasons. Shaka has chosen to stay old school, which feels subversive, instead of getting in a bidding wars for a MAC or Horizon league guard.
I am more optimistic about it than most.
1. The 6th year guys are gone.
2. There simply aren't that many portal guys that MU could afford who are better than what is already at MU.
3. I am genuinely enthused about Ben, Royce, DO, Chase, and Zaide.
4. There are questions about Caedin, Josh, Tre, and Sean's knee. But there are also reasons for optimism.
5. Shaka et al have a history of developing players. As well as the fact that most players get better. So, based on that, they are all going to be somewhat better. The question is how much better and how soon.
For the first time since Shaka's first season, there are unknowns and likely competition for starting spots and other roles. Cool. Sounds like fun.
Well said.
I'd be happy to add a transfer if Shaka found one who's both a good fit and a good value, but I prefer what we have to the likes of Mahaney or Storr (or similar). Like you, I expect several of our players to get better, perhaps even much better.
Will that be good enough? We'll see!
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on April 20, 2025, 06:01:14 PMjfp, degenerative usually means a wearing out, as something degenerates, as in degenerative arthritis (osteoarthritis). ACL injuries tend to happen to young, active athletes. Rehab from such an injury can lead to performance not characteristic of degenerates, but of otherwise healthy young athletes. Don't write Sean off, there are too many success stories of athletes who have recovered from such injuries.
I think you have to take into account what type of player an injured player is. Sean is small and relied on speed the ability to change directions. His game is dependent on having a sound knee.
Quote from: bilsu on April 21, 2025, 02:41:11 PMI think you have to take into account what type of player an injured player is. Sean is small and relied on speed the ability to change directions. His game is dependent on having a sound knee.
So was Adrian Peterson's. Adrian Peterson returned 8 months after tearing his ACL and rushed for just 2,097 yards.
Modern medicine is amazing. Players can recover from a torn up knee. I'll go ahead and say Sean's speed and explosiveness will not be his issue.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2025, 02:48:26 PMSo was Adrian Peterson's. Adrian Peterson returned 8 months after tearing his ACL and rushed for just 2,097 yards.
Modern medicine is amazing. Players can recover from a torn up knee. I'll go ahead and say Sean's speed and explosiveness will not be his issue.
Exactly. His knee has been sound for a while. It will be 20 months from the injury when he likely starts for Marquette next season.
https://x.com/Aries_Sherrie/status/1885032361126982094?t=bl6zTkNo5L0RD_FLFWdOWg&s=19
Does he even have two knees anymore? Doubtful
Quote from: bilsu on April 21, 2025, 02:41:11 PMI think you have to take into account what type of player an injured player is. Sean is small and relied on speed the ability to change directions. His game is dependent on having a sound knee.
Hundreds of examples of great athletes in a variety of sports returning successfully from this kind of injury. Skiers, tennis players, football players, basketball players, volleyball players and others that put significant torque on their legs. Adrian Peterson, as mentioned, is a great example.
It's not the 1960s, and this isn't what Gale Sayers had to endure.
Nobody here knows for certain that Sean will have 100% of his quickness and explosiveness back. But nobody here knows that he won't.
What we all do know (or should) is that Shaka has seen Sean almost every day in the gym, and he seems pretty convinced that Sean will be fit next season.
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status/1914372299719106828?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2025, 06:46:45 PMhttps://x.com/travisbranham_/status/1914372299719106828?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Hard pass, even if Epps offers to pay NIL to Marquette.
Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2025, 06:51:40 PMHard pass, even if Epps offers to pay NIL to Marquette.
I wasn't posting about Marquette pursuing him.....I don't think we will pursue anyone .........only mention it because it's a conference foe losing a significant starter.
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2025, 06:55:26 PMI wasn't posting about Marquette pursuing him.....I don't think we will pursue anyone .........only mention it because it's a conference foe losing a significant starter.
I figured as much. Still just my way of opining, "Yuck!"
No! He is in the portal! Therefore Shaka is failing by not landing him!
Portal filling up today with guys who have already played 4 or 5 years of college ball already.
Latest.....old friend Dawson Garcia
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2025, 08:10:21 PMLatest.....old friend Dawson Garcia
Lmao
Honestly kind of sad to watch some of this. Pretty glad our guys all were at peace with their college career ending and didn't try to pull any of this nonsense. If these players want more eligibility, I don't know what entering the portal does or how that makes their case better.
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2025, 08:10:21 PMPortal filling up today with guys who have already played 4 or 5 years of college ball already.
Latest.....old friend Dawson Garcia
So, what is his market value? And he is an experienced big. How much would MU fans pay for him to finish his career at MU?
He has played 5 years. From what I read he may petition for an extra season due to the season he left UNC.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2025, 02:48:26 PMSo was Adrian Peterson's. Adrian Peterson returned 8 months after tearing his ACL and rushed for just 2,097 yards.
Modern medicine is amazing. Players can recover from a torn up knee. I'll go ahead and say Sean's speed and explosiveness will not be his issue.
AP is an outlier. ACL injuries usually take 18 months for return to high level activity. Expecting the same production in the first six months of the return is naive for many reasons.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 21, 2025, 10:08:27 PMAP is an outlier. ACL injuries usually take 18 months for return to high level activity. Expecting the same production in the first six months of the return is naive for many reasons.
I thought it was funny when everyone was going nuts when Aaron rodgers was throwing a football and was "ahead of schedule."
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2025, 02:57:00 PMExactly. His knee has been sound for a while. It will be 20 months from the injury when he likely starts for Marquette next season.
https://x.com/Aries_Sherrie/status/1885032361126982094?t=bl6zTkNo5L0RD_FLFWdOWg&s=19
Many casuals were lauding Aaron rodgers for being "ahead of schedule" while he was throwing a football and moving laterally during pre game very early on in his rehab. There is no correlation to his injury and throwing a football much like there is no correlation to progress seeing Sean move around in pre game warmups 12 months post surgery. The real test is quick lateral movement, start/stop etc.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 21, 2025, 10:12:04 PMI thought it was funny when everyone was going nuts when Aaron rodgers was throwing a football and was "ahead of schedule."
Many casuals were lauding Aaron rodgers for being "ahead of schedule" while he was throwing a football and moving laterally during pre game very early on in his rehab. There is no correlation to his injury and throwing a football much like there is no correlation to progress seeing Sean move around in pre game warmups 12 months post surgery. The real test is quick lateral movement, start/stop etc.
Good thing he'll be nearly 2 years removed from the injury. And that his injury isn't even the same body part that Aaron Rodgers's was. And that he's half Aaron's age.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 21, 2025, 10:08:27 PMAP is an outlier. ACL injuries usually take 18 months for return to high level activity. Expecting the same production in the first six months of the return is naive for many reasons.
He will be 20+ months removed from the injury when the season starts.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 21, 2025, 10:08:27 PMAP is an outlier. ACL injuries usually take 18 months for return to high level activity. Expecting the same production in the first six months of the return is naive for many reasons.
Source for 18 months? 20 years ago, I saw kids cleared in about 6. Now, standard is 12 months, just to let the ligament get stronger. Biggest hurdle at this point will be mental.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 22, 2025, 05:37:21 AMSource for 18 months?
History tells us that panda doesn't have the best sources.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 22, 2025, 05:37:21 AMSource for 18 months? 20 years ago, I saw kids cleared in about 6. Now, standard is 12 months, just to let the ligament get stronger. Biggest hurdle at this point will be mental.
Panda may not have great sources, but he did qualify by speaking about being productive at a high level. Not many athletes who come back in say 6-12 months play at a high level compared to past performance. I. any event, it's all rather subjective.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 22, 2025, 05:37:21 AMSource for 18 months? 20 years ago, I saw kids cleared in about 6. Now, standard is 12 months, just to let the ligament get stronger. Biggest hurdle at this point will be mental.
12 months for return to activity with an additional 6 months expected until regaining similar levels of performance confidence pre injury. Just my personal experience.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 22, 2025, 07:53:56 AM12 months for return to activity with an additional 6 months expected until regaining similar levels of performance confidence pre injury. Just my personal experience.
As I said...
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2025, 05:54:22 AMHistory tells us that panda doesn't have the best sources.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2025, 10:43:40 PMGood thing he'll be nearly 2 years removed from the injury. And that his injury isn't even the same body part that Aaron Rodgers's was. And that he's half Aaron's age.
GE discussed his knee being sound for a while which is purely conjecture based on limited information, much like when the public went crazy seeing arodg throwing a football "way ahead of schedule."
The true litmus test is a return to full game speed, not getting excited and declaring him fit after seeing him do something in warmups.
It takes a while to regain confidence in the knee as well as acclimate to the speed of the game. As you said, he's two years removed from a serious injury. That's a long time to not play any competitive basketball. Don't count on him for similar levels of production straight away.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2025, 08:00:46 AMAs I said...
It's always a safe place to sit back and second guess everyone's posts here. Just not a good look
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 22, 2025, 08:02:08 AMIt's always a safe place to sit back and second guess everyone's posts here. Just not a good look
I find it funny and enjoyable.
Quote from: tower912 on April 21, 2025, 08:58:18 PMSo, what is his market value? And he is an experienced big. How much would MU fans pay for him to finish his career at MU?
He has played 5 years. From what I read he may petition for an extra season due to the season he left UNC.
I guess Dawson has aged out of his burgeoning boy band career.
These kids who have no NBA payday coming their way are being convinced by agents to go into the Portal in the hopes the NCAA will either A) change the eligibility limit to five years, or B) they get some BS waiver. The College of Charleston kid is petitioning one of his years shouldn't count because of "significant mental stress due to language barriers, cultural adjustments that hindered his development and precluded NIL opportunities available at the Division I level,"...while playing the whole season.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 22, 2025, 08:23:15 AMI guess Dawson has aged out of his burgeoning boy band career.
These kids who have no NBA payday coming their way are being convinced by agents to go into the Portal in the hopes the NCAA will either A) change the eligibility limit to five years, or B) they get some BS waiver. The College of Charleston kid is petitioning one of his years shouldn't count because of "significant mental stress due to language barriers, cultural adjustments that hindered his development and precluded NIL opportunities available at the Division I level,"...while playing the whole season.
I mean, it's worth a shot right?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2025, 10:43:40 PMGood thing he'll be nearly 2 years removed from the injury. And that his injury isn't even the same body part that Aaron Rodgers's was. And that he's half Aaron's age.
Not like we have to worry anyways with Sean in the portal.
Rodney Rice gets $3 Million from USC...my goodness.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 21, 2025, 10:12:04 PMI thought it was funny when everyone was going nuts when Aaron rodgers was throwing a football and was "ahead of schedule."
Many casuals were lauding Aaron rodgers for being "ahead of schedule" while he was throwing a football and moving laterally during pre game very early on in his rehab. There is no correlation to his injury and throwing a football much like there is no correlation to progress seeing Sean move around in pre game warmups 12 months post surgery. The real test is quick lateral movement, start/stop etc.
Please go and watch Enigma. It includes scenes with his medical team, who are basically telling him, he's way too aggressive in his time frame/ goals. These are two completely different things.
Sean is already 15 months into his rehab. There have been videos of him dunking, slashing to the basket, etc, so he certainly doesn't appear to be doing poorly.
Even if it does take 1 1/2 years to get to almost where he was pre-injury, that's mid-July - three months before Marquette Madness. By the start of the season, it will be 22 months. By the start of the conference season, it will be about 2 full years.
I think most here allow that he might not be 100% of what he was when next season starts. But most of us are looking at the success rates of similar situations and are using common sense ... as well as maybe a little optimism instead of Eeyore-ism.
Not a single person "knows" how fully back Sean will be on Nov. 1 - including Sean. All of us are speculating some; some are choosing to include optimism in our educated guesses.
Then there are those who claim that, injury aside, Sean has never shown any "sign" of being good - despite him having played a major role in victories over Kansas, Creighton, UCLA and others. That's a whole 'nother level of negativity for the sake of negativity.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 22, 2025, 10:19:03 AMRodney Rice gets $3 Million from USC...my goodness.
#FakeNews #Lies
So, is anybody expecting any last minute MU entries into the portal?
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 02:11:47 PMSo, is anybody expecting any last minute MU entries into the portal?
No, but they all might as well.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 02:11:47 PMSo, is anybody expecting any last minute MU entries into the portal?
No
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1914810887451332846?t=PNDzf57A2XGKCrLNdd582Q&s=19
Shaka is winning.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 22, 2025, 06:05:14 PMhttps://x.com/CBKReport/status/1914810887451332846?t=PNDzf57A2XGKCrLNdd582Q&s=19
Shaka is winning.
More made up bullsh1t.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2025, 06:08:41 PMMore made up bullsh1t.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1914430602000084992?t=KnakFoifmOGAXKuZ1wvYgw&s=19
What leads you to say that? You don't believe the NIL organization associated with Kentucky has that kind of money? You don't believe the USC organization would spend that kind of money? Or do you think all of the NIL money reports are fiction?
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 06:11:39 PMWhat leads you to say that? You don't believe the NIL organization associated with Kentucky has that kind of money? You don't believe the USC organization would spend that kind of money? Or do you think all of the NIL money reports are fiction?
Right?
It is reported that BYU has between $8M and $10M for Dybantsa and Wright. If their whole roster isn't touching Kentucky when 2 guys are making that much, $20M seems plausible.
...and also leads me to believe we will not be able to compete for any player that has proven value in the portal. Shaka's way is the way!!
I was directing that at JB, but I agree in principle with your post.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 02:11:47 PMSo, is anybody expecting any last minute MU entries into the portal?
Besides Sean?
Stay tuned.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 06:19:16 PMI was directing that at JB, but I agree in principle with your post.
I know. I was just emphasizing your post.
Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2025, 02:05:33 PMOther than back up stretch 4, there really isn't.
Hamilton/Clark/Gold
Parham
Ross/Owens/Lowery/Miletic/Phillips/ Stevens
Jones/Parham/James
Now, you can argue that you do not trust freshmen or that too much growth and development may be required. But there are lots of bodies at 4 of the 5 positions.
So, two scholarships open and it appears Shaka is pursuing high schoolers.
back from a Rocky ruler-across-the-hands slap. Miss me? Tower, wake up. No holes to fill? A roster of mediocrity and no holes to fill? Swap out the entire dang roster!! No holes to fill? You can't be serious???? Gonna run with returnees and 3star HS boys? Should go well vs StJ's. Talk about absurd. Mediocrity is smacking you upside the noggan. Wake up!
LOL. Who?
Quote from: Viper on April 22, 2025, 07:09:35 PMback from a Rocky ruler-across-the-hands slap. Miss me? Tower, wake up. No holes to fill? A roster of mediocrity and no holes to fill? Swap out the entire dang roster!! No holes to fill? You can't be serious???? Gonna run with returnees and 3star HS boys? Should go well vs StJ's. Talk about absurd. Mediocrity is smacking you upside the noggan. Wake up!
You really should wait until you sober up before posting.........
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 21, 2025, 08:46:54 PMLmao
Honestly kind of sad to watch some of this. Pretty glad our guys all were at peace with their college career ending and didn't try to pull any of this nonsense. If these players want more eligibility, I don't know what entering the portal does or how that makes their case better.
I do not think our three seniors will continue in college, if NCAA approves the 5-year eligibility rule. However, MU has two open scholarships so one or two could decide to return, if the rule was changed.
Quote from: Viper on April 22, 2025, 07:09:35 PMback from a Rocky ruler-across-the-hands slap. Miss me? Tower, wake up. No holes to fill? A roster of mediocrity and no holes to fill? Swap out the entire dang roster!! No holes to fill? You can't be serious???? Gonna run with returnees and 3star HS boys? Should go well vs StJ's. Talk about absurd. Mediocrity is smacking you upside the noggan. Wake up!
Who are you?
He's either going to be really right or really wrong.
wut
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 06:11:39 PMWhat leads you to say that? You don't believe the NIL organization associated with Kentucky has that kind of money? You don't believe the USC organization would spend that kind of money? Or do you think all of the NIL money reports are fiction?
Hes being pedantic. Part of his schtick is calling any report that says "SCHOOL is paying PLAYER X dollars" fake news because that is currently against NCAA rules. He's well aware what people mean but it makes him happy
Probably. I wanted to see if perhaps he had insight that all of the NIL numbers being reported are rubbish.
Quote from: Viper on April 22, 2025, 07:09:35 PMback from a Rocky ruler-across-the-hands slap. Miss me? Tower, wake up. No holes to fill? A roster of mediocrity and no holes to fill? Swap out the entire dang roster!! No holes to fill? You can't be serious???? Gonna run with returnees and 3star HS boys? Should go well vs StJ's. Talk about absurd. Mediocrity is smacking you upside the noggan. Wake up!
Even the Scoopiest mopes have stopped short of saying Shaka should tell everyone to hit the highway and bring in 15 new players from the portal.
I like it!
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2025, 08:59:54 PMEven the Scoopiest mopes have stopped short of saying Shaka should tell everyone to hit the highway and bring in 15 new players from the portal.
I like it!
His suggestions dovetail nicely with the Lizzie Borden method of problem solving that is
very much in vogue. How did Shaka miss being whacked?
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2025, 08:59:54 PMEven the Scoopiest mopes have stopped short of saying Shaka should tell everyone to hit the highway and bring in 15 new players from the portal.
I like it!
I mean, name one player who should stay?
Quote from: DoctorV on April 22, 2025, 09:49:31 PMI mean, name one player who should stay?
Name one player that shouldn't.
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2025, 08:59:54 PMEven the Scoopiest mopes have stopped short of saying Shaka should tell everyone to hit the highway and bring in 15 new players from the portal.
I like it!
To be fair, he argued passionately about Tyler Kolek not playing in the NBA. He knows ball
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2025, 06:36:36 AMTo be fair, he argued passionately about Tyler Kolek not playing in the NBA. He knows ball
His brother in law is in his head.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 22, 2025, 09:49:31 PMI mean, name one player who should stay?
I said that I like it. Cut 'em all. After all, that's how Florida and UConn won the 3 championships in the portal/NIL era, by cutting every player on their rosters and bringing in whole new groups annually. And look at all the success St. John's had in the 2025 NCAA Tournament - we want that for Marquette!
The problem is that Shaka obviously doesn't know how to identify good players, nor has he shown he has any ability at all to develop players. So maybe it doesn't matter what we do.
Marquette's powers-that-be might as well take our program to the Horizon League. Or D2.
Quote from: MU82 on April 23, 2025, 10:18:35 AMI said that I like it. Cut 'em all. After all, that's how Florida and UConn won the 3 championships in the portal/NIL era, by cutting every player on their rosters and bringing in whole new groups annually. And look at all the success St. John's had in the 2025 NCAA Tournament - we want that for Marquette!
The problem is that Shaka obviously doesn't know how to identify good players, nor has he shown he has any ability at all to develop players. So maybe it doesn't matter what we do.
Marquette's powers-that-be might as well take our program to the Horizon League. Or D2.
I get the sarcasm. I want the program to succeed as much as anyone. I may not see it but there might be a point where the University will just see that it is not financially feasible to compete at the D1 level like they did for football back in 1960. If you cannot compete for a championship what is the point. We don't even know if the tournament will be around in its present format after 2032. I admire your optimism.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2025, 11:22:02 AMIf you cannot compete for a championship what is the point.
Don't mean to be snarky at all...how do you define competing for a championship? Can you provide measurable criteria for this?
So, any MU related surprises so far in regards to the portal? Only losing one seems like a win. Does anyone think MU lands a more talented replacement for Amadou?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 22, 2025, 08:38:37 PMHes being pedantic. Part of his schtick is calling any report that says "SCHOOL is paying PLAYER X dollars" fake news because that is currently against NCAA rules. He's well aware what people mean but it makes him happy
#FakeNews #Lies
When someone says, "Rice gets $3M from USC", what do you believe that means? I'm not just saying, 'no, USC can't give the player any $'.. I'm saying I don't believe the number and my question is: What is the basis for the figure?
A contract? Between what parties? Nope, don't think that's it.
Is it someone at USC telling the player and/or their agent, 'we will find a way to make sure you get around $3M'?? Is it someone at USC saying, 'we have talked to the folks at collective X, and they have assured us they are committed to getting you $3M"??
What does "Rice gets $3M from USC" mean? It's b.s. What is the source, what is the basis?
Clearly there are many issues around cheating, tax status, etc... but I'm not even getting into that -- I'm just saying these 'reports' are based on b.s.
Will we see in the future kids pissed -- who either sit out or transfer - because what "they got" didn't turn out to be what they actually got? I think we already have seen that.
It's an ugly situation, but I can be settled if there's a yearly release of a great college bball video game. Then they can do whatever nonsense they want.
But I'm certainly not going to parrot dipsh1ts claiming certain dollar amounts. It's nonsense.
Anyway, was thinking about what's one of the next dumb things to happen.. after seeing all these guys with exhausted competition eligibility telling admins at their school that they want to be added to the transfer portal. lol
...it's a bit scary, and ugly, but I think it can happen and I'm not sure it's a bad argument from the kids' perspective:
Despite most saying, 'the portal closes on x date', it's not closed. The 30-day notification window closes... that's it. There are tons of kids with no certain home at this point and many months to decide.
I think we will see kids demanding they be allowed immediate eligibility despite entering the portal outside of the notification window. The days of 'student-athlete' and worrying about their studies first is out the window. The days of committing to an institution are largely done. So, 'protecting the student' arguments are weaker than they ever have been.
Scenario: School X as of today has a lineup you can reasonably project. Player A is looking forward to big minutes at point guard. Then, in June.. or May, July, August, etc... School X finds a player they like in the portal who finally agrees to come to their school. Player A is looking at intense competition, and fears they will struggle to get playing time now after this June transfer. At this point, they would not be eligible for the vanilla no-year-in-residence requirement. But, they are kinda eff'd by the transfer system setup and what their school did well after the notification window closed.
...or you will have a Player A who decides in July they want more money.. and makes up an excuse of some low level transfer that occurred in June... as their reason they may want to leave. They tell School X 'gimme the loot'... and explore other options. They find a different home in July, and raise holy hell with the NCAA demanding immediate eligibility.
Ugly, ugly stuff.
But anyway, the "oh yeah he got $3M"... if someone knows the basis and why that's reasonable to accept as fact, let me know.
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 11:59:36 AMSo, any MU related surprises so far in regards to the portal? Only losing one seems like a win. Does anyone think MU lands a more talented replacement for Amadou?
Is it too late for Ben to declare for the NBA Draft?
It seems like Shaka could add a late front court player, but it sounds like a HS reclass is most likely. So more talented, but not experienced like a portal guy would be.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 23, 2025, 12:41:45 AMName one player that shouldn't.
I'll start w/Tre. Move on to Caedin. Want another?
Quote from: DoctorV on April 23, 2025, 12:51:27 PMIs it too late for Ben to declare for the NBA Draft?
It is not.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2025, 12:56:03 PMIt is not.
Does any one really think Ben is ready for the NBA?
Not at the moment. I can still see it, though.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 23, 2025, 01:08:28 PMDoes any one really think Ben is ready for the NBA?
Does anyone really think that every player who has declared for the draft over the years has been ready for the NBA?
Fact is, few are "ready" - at least as most of us might define it. I mean, two players drafted in the top 6 last year (Reed Sheppard and Tidjane Salaun) were nowhere near "ready," as their lack of PT with their NBA teams showed. Vander Blue not only wasn't "ready," but he also had no indication that he'd even be drafted, but he still declared for the draft.
Guys who aren't ready declare for all kinds of reasons - some get bad advice, some misinterpret NBA teams' interest in them, some are simply done with the college experience, etc.
I have absolutely no reason to think Gold will leave Marquette this summer for the NBA or any other pro league. I'd be quite surprised if he did - and bummed, too, because we need him. But is it out of the realm of possibility? I suppose not.
2,499 D-I men's basketball players entered the 2025 transfer portal, which opened on March 24 and closed on Tuesday, according to Verbal Commits.
That number represents roughly 45% of the total players on rosters last season (5,607). It's also a 20% increase over last year's portal entries (2,083) and a whopping 161% increase over the 957 entries in 2019, the year the portal was introduced.
‌Portal entries by year:
2025: 2,499
2024: 2,083
2023: 1,724
2022: 1,650
2021: 1,653
2020: 967
2019: 957
Meanwhile, on the women's side... 1,468 D-I players entered the portal this cycle (per On3), which represents 29% of the total women's players on rosters last season (5,048).
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 11:59:36 AMSo, any MU related surprises so far in regards to the portal? Only losing one seems like a win. Does anyone think MU lands a more talented replacement for Amadou?
Pretty sure the current roster is what will be in Fiserv this November.
With roughly 25% of players exhausting their eligibility, that means 70% of 24-25 players will not be playing for the same school next season.
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 01:41:06 PMWith roughly 25% of players exhausting their eligibility, that means 70% of 24-25 players will not be playing for the same school next season.
Nah. Using these numbers is trash. You're double counting those in the portal who also exhausted their eligibility; and including a bunch of walk ons who didn't play much or at all and won't again next year. And the total, for that and other reasons, includes a ton of players who won't play for anyone next year. It's junky data.
You are saying that 2499 players aren't actually in the portal and that 25 % of players did not exhaust their eligibility?
Which numbers would you like to use?
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 02:02:29 PMYou are saying that 2499 players aren't actually in the portal and that 25 % of players did not exhaust their eligibility?
Which numbers would you like to use?
I'm saying a number of things. One of which is that the players in the portal INCLUDES a bunch who have already exhausted their eligibility. There are plenty of other data issues, but for now I'm talking about your double-count.
How many do you suppose there are? Garcia is the obvious one that hits close to home for you. Out of the 2499, do you suppose 1%? 10%? Enough to fundamentally skew the numbers or just enough to cause you to vent?
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 02:19:18 PMHow many do you suppose there are? Garcia is the obvious one that hits close to home for you. Out of the 2499, do you suppose 1%? 10%? Enough to fundamentally skew the numbers or just enough to cause you to vent?
A lot.
I think if you're going to use "2,499" you're getting quite specific (albeit inaccurate).
Dawson is a "unique" case, actually. There are several Gophers with no eligibility that are in the portal as well, as an example.
Take your beef about 2499 to MU 82 and Verbal commits.
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 02:30:23 PMTake your beef about 2499 to MU 82 and Verbal commits.
I'm saying less than 50% of that figure will play D-I bball this coming season... and I'm outraged!
I noticed one person that retweeted this.......Nigel James Sr.
https://x.com/painttouches/status/1915054328924262582?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2025, 12:49:03 PM#FakeNews #Lies
When someone says, "Rice gets $3M from USC", what do you believe that means? I'm not just saying, 'no, USC can't give the player any $'.. I'm saying I don't believe the number and my question is: What is the basis for the figure?
A contract? Between what parties? Nope, don't think that's it.
Is it someone at USC telling the player and/or their agent, 'we will find a way to make sure you get around $3M'?? Is it someone at USC saying, 'we have talked to the folks at collective X, and they have assured us they are committed to getting you $3M"??
What does "Rice gets $3M from USC" mean? It's b.s. What is the source, what is the basis?
Clearly there are many issues around cheating, tax status, etc... but I'm not even getting into that -- I'm just saying these 'reports' are based on b.s.
Will we see in the future kids pissed -- who either sit out or transfer - because what "they got" didn't turn out to be what they actually got? I think we already have seen that.
It's an ugly situation, but I can be settled if there's a yearly release of a great college bball video game. Then they can do whatever nonsense they want.
But I'm certainly not going to parrot dipsh1ts claiming certain dollar amounts. It's nonsense.
Anyway, was thinking about what's one of the next dumb things to happen.. after seeing all these guys with exhausted competition eligibility telling admins at their school that they want to be added to the transfer portal. lol
...it's a bit scary, and ugly, but I think it can happen and I'm not sure it's a bad argument from the kids' perspective:
Despite most saying, 'the portal closes on x date', it's not closed. The 30-day notification window closes... that's it. There are tons of kids with no certain home at this point and many months to decide.
I think we will see kids demanding they be allowed immediate eligibility despite entering the portal outside of the notification window. The days of 'student-athlete' and worrying about their studies first is out the window. The days of committing to an institution are largely done. So, 'protecting the student' arguments are weaker than they ever have been.
Scenario: School X as of today has a lineup you can reasonably project. Player A is looking forward to big minutes at point guard. Then, in June.. or May, July, August, etc... School X finds a player they like in the portal who finally agrees to come to their school. Player A is looking at intense competition, and fears they will struggle to get playing time now after this June transfer. At this point, they would not be eligible for the vanilla no-year-in-residence requirement. But, they are kinda eff'd by the transfer system setup and what their school did well after the notification window closed.
...or you will have a Player A who decides in July they want more money.. and makes up an excuse of some low level transfer that occurred in June... as their reason they may want to leave. They tell School X 'gimme the loot'... and explore other options. They find a different home in July, and raise holy hell with the NCAA demanding immediate eligibility.
Ugly, ugly stuff.
But anyway, the "oh yeah he got $3M"... if someone knows the basis and why that's reasonable to accept as fact, let me know.
Like I said, pedantic. It's a lot quicker to say "PLAYER got X from SCHOOL" then that word salad. It's generally understood that theres nuance that is unimportant to random basketball fans.
But I do genuinely appreciate you spelling out the nuances. Its a lot more interesting than "FAKE NEWS LIES"
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 23, 2025, 05:17:07 PMLike I said, pedantic. It's a lot quicker to say "PLAYER got X from SCHOOL" then that word salad. It's generally understood that theres nuance that is unimportant to random basketball fans.
But I do genuinely appreciate you spelling out the nuances. Its a lot more interesting than "FAKE NEWS LIES"
It's. But no - it's not pedantic. What is the basis to say $3 million? Is it "we will work to try to get you that"? Is it "we think you can earn that"? Is it made up and/or rounded based on he said, she said?
These are not nuances.
Boosters>collective>player
Isn't that how the money is being allocated now?
That has been my understanding.........although admittedly this all bores the crap out of me so maybe I just don't understand all the nuances of the current environment.
And when the boosters fail to come through....or the coach misleads certain players.....who knows the truth of it? There will be lawyers.....
https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/6-former-florida-state-basketball-players-sue-coach-over-failed-nil-payments/
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2025, 05:51:36 PMIt's. But no - it's not pedantic. What is the basis to say $3 million? Is it "we will work to try to get you that"? Is it "we think you can earn that"? Is it made up and/or rounded based on he said, she said?
These are not nuances.
How you think his new teammates think about this?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 23, 2025, 06:24:06 PMHow you think his new teammates think about this?
Probably not much when the coach tells them, "lol the public is gullible af. What a bunch of idiots!"
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2025, 05:51:36 PMIt's. But no - it's not pedantic. What is the basis to say $3 million? Is it "we will work to try to get you that"? Is it "we think you can earn that"? Is it made up and/or rounded based on he said, she said?
These are not nuances.
To the player and his agent? You're absolutely right.
To randos on the internet? Unimportant nuance
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 23, 2025, 06:49:12 PMTo the player and his agent? You're absolutely right.
To randos on the internet? Unimportant nuance
I guess that's the point — it's nonsense b.s. with no good basis. So when people here parrot it as fact, I note that it's not.
Quote from: Viper on April 23, 2025, 12:53:51 PMI'll start w/Tre. Move on to Caedin. Want another?
Why wouldn't they return?
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2025, 06:28:24 PMProbably not much when the coach tells them, "lol the public is gullible af. What a bunch of idiots!"
Speaking of, some people think players commit to schools and not coaches
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 23, 2025, 06:24:06 PMHow you think his new teammates think about this?
Probably the same as people in jobs working with people that make more than them
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2025, 07:21:50 PMSpeaking of, some people think players commit to schools and not coaches
They contractually did. So the basis was a contract. PS...
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2025, 12:49:03 PMThe days of 'student-athlete' and worrying about their studies first is out the window. The days of committing to an institution are largely done. So, 'protecting the student' arguments are weaker than they ever have been.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 23, 2025, 06:58:14 PMWhy wouldn't they return?
Viper wants us to be more like Wisco........recruit over players for the next best thing coming down the line.
Quote from: MDMU04 on April 23, 2025, 11:54:53 AMDon't mean to be snarky at all...how do you define competing for a championship? Can you provide measurable criteria for this?
Having the same financial resources as the large football schools.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2025, 07:59:10 PMHaving the same financial resources as the large football schools.
We haven't had the same financial resources as the large football schools for a long time. If ever.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 23, 2025, 07:27:24 PMViper wants us to be more like Wisco........recruit over players for the next best thing coming down the line.
Man, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 23, 2025, 09:15:50 PMMan, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?
You think that Shaka thinks it's about being holy and good and better than others?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 23, 2025, 09:15:50 PMMan, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?
Call Shaka and ask him.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 23, 2025, 09:23:22 PMYou think that Shaka thinks it's about being holy and good and better than others?
I didn't say Shaka does and don't know if he does. What is said is that a faction of our fanbase does as demonstrated in this thread.
I think you know what is wrong with what you are suggesting.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 23, 2025, 09:15:50 PMMan, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?
Nothing. I would be supportive. Just like I'm supporting his decision not to.
I think the portal is a tool, not a panacea. I think if Shaka had used it extensively and had the exact same results that he has had during his first 4 years at MU, my satisfaction level would be exactly the same.
If there had been a mass exodus and Shaka had gone into the portal and assembled this exact roster, my opinion would be the same. Young, with lots of upside.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 23, 2025, 09:15:50 PMMan, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?
I don't think anyone is saying, "Shaka shouldn't use the portal".
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 23, 2025, 09:15:50 PMMan, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers.
I don't think there has been a single person who has said they are against taking a transfer.
I like how Shaka is doing it and he's more than earned the right to continue with this approach. I'm also not anti-portal if Shaka wanted or needed to use it.
What continually frustrates me is most of the people who really think he should be using the portal much more consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route, which are numerous.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 24, 2025, 08:29:12 AMI like how Shaka is doing it and he's more than earned the right to continue with this approach. I'm also not anti-portal if Shaka wanted or needed to use it.
What continually frustrates me is most of the people who really think he should be using the portal much more consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route, which are numerous.
What are the risks going into the season without a back up point guard or any front line depth?
Is it losing to just about any team with a pulse from January and on?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 23, 2025, 08:03:11 PMWe haven't had the same financial resources as the large football schools for a long time. If ever.
Then why is our AD asking for financial support in this new environment?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 24, 2025, 09:29:26 AMThen why is our AD asking for financial support in this new environment?
Why wouldn't he?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 09:32:42 AMWhy wouldn't he?
I don't think athletic departments should ask for charity.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 08:57:56 AMWhat are the risks going into the season without a back up point guard or any front line depth?
Is it losing to just about any team with a pulse from January and on?
Which PG should they have gotten to come off the bench as a backup?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 24, 2025, 08:29:12 AMI like how Shaka is doing it and he's more than earned the right to continue with this approach. I'm also not anti-portal if Shaka wanted or needed to use it.
What continually frustrates me is most of the people who really think he should be using the portal much more consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route, which are numerous.
I feel the same way about folks who think that the Shaka method of recruit, retain, and develop is ideal, but consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route.
The answer is somewhere in the middle. Recruit talented HS players, develop them,
and supplement them with talented transfers to fill needs. Not OR,
AND.
That's what Shaka did in Year 1 and Year 2. Year 3 we didn't have glaring needs so the retain and develop strategy was effective. Year 4 was proof that you need BOTH.
I knew we had a heck of a talented roster coming back last year and retained them all (WIN), but without Sean Jones it was painfully obvious we needed to fill a hole at PG and we didn't (LOSS).
We have some talented players coming back next year that form a strong core and should develop (WIN), but there's questions up front and again at PG. Right now it looks like we're taking a LOSS in that area.
Either way, both are necessary, and I don't know why it's so hard for folks on both sides to grasp that.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 24, 2025, 09:59:15 AMWhich PG should they have gotten to come off the bench as a backup?
There were over 2,000 players in the portal last year.
The opportunity is there but the want to isn't. Which is too bad given our struggles in the second half of the season.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:13:34 AMThere were over 2,000 players in the portal last year.
The opportunity is there but the want to isn't. Which is too bad given our struggles in the second half of the season.
So, in other words, you have no idea who he should have recruited.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 08:57:56 AMWhat are the risks going into the season without a back up point guard or any front line depth?
We have a backup point guard - largely because one of them did not transfer, despite rumors to the contrary - and we have front line depth.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 08:57:56 AMIs it losing to just about any team with a pulse from January and on?
We'll see. That's why they play the games.
You seem to believe that players don't improve and that what happened one year is a guarantee that it will happen again the following season. Which explains why you agreed with Big East coaches that Marquette would finish in 9th place in 2022-23.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 10:20:53 AMSo, in other words, you have no idea who he should have recruited.
I'm not the one recruiting lol.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 10:20:53 AMSo, in other words, you have no idea who he should have recruited.
Kick rocks buddy
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 09:32:42 AMWhy wouldn't he?
If we have the financial support, why write the letter?
Quote from: MU82 on April 24, 2025, 10:24:45 AMWe have a backup point guard - largely because one of them did not transfer, despite rumors to the contrary - and we have front line depth.
We'll see. That's why they play the games.
You seem to believe that players don't improve and that what happened one year is a guarantee that it will happen again the following season. Which explains why you agreed with Big East coaches that Marquette would finish in 9th place in 2022-23.
Who was our back up pg last year?
What depth did we have on the front line?
I see major gaps in the roster coupled with low ceiling players in those spots. Hamilton is not a high major player and neither is Norman. Gold isn't a center and is forced to play that role. Sean jones hasn't played basketball in two years.
The roster has talent but also has very clear flaws. Not supplementing the current roster with an addition or two puts a low ceiling on this team.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 24, 2025, 10:29:24 AMIf we have the financial support, why write the letter?
When did I say we had the financial support?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:27:36 AMI'm not the one recruiting lol.
Huh.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:27:36 AMKick rocks buddy
You can't handle when I use simple logic to derail your bad arguments. It hurts I know.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 10:38:30 AMHuh.
You can't handle when I use simple logic to derail your bad arguments. It hurts I know.
Every program in the country takes transfers in all types of roles.
It's naive to think Marquette can't attract a certain need if they were to acknowledge the need.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 24, 2025, 10:10:05 AMI feel the same way about folks who think that the Shaka method of recruit, retain, and develop is ideal, but consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route.
The answer is somewhere in the middle. Recruit talented HS players, develop them, and supplement them with talented transfers to fill needs. Not OR, AND.
That's what Shaka did in Year 1 and Year 2. Year 3 we didn't have glaring needs so the retain and develop strategy was effective. Year 4 was proof that you need BOTH.
I knew we had a heck of a talented roster coming back last year and retained them all (WIN), but without Sean Jones it was painfully obvious we needed to fill a hole at PG and we didn't (LOSS).
We have some talented players coming back next year that form a strong core and should develop (WIN), but there's questions up front and again at PG. Right now it looks like we're taking a LOSS in that area.
Either way, both are necessary, and I don't know why it's so hard for folks on both sides to grasp that.
This. Don't be stubborn and too prideful to use the transfer portal to supplement the roster accordingly. Unless a coach is consistently pulling in top-tier talent out of high school I think there are more potential risks to avoiding the portal altogether.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 24, 2025, 10:29:24 AMIf we have the financial support, why write the letter?
More is better than less.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:45:05 AMEvery program in the country takes transfers in all types of roles.
It's naive to think Marquette can't attract a certain need if they were to acknowledge the need.
Joe Chartouny? I think you underestimate how difficult it would be to recruit a player to come off the bench for a season and then, the following season, have to compete with three others at the same position for time.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:45:05 AMEvery program in the country takes transfers in all types of roles.
It's naive to think Marquette can't attract a certain need if they were to acknowledge the need.
So on the one hand, you think you know better than Shaka on how to build a team. But on the other, you have no idea who you would add to the roster since you aren't the coach.
Man that is weak.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 24, 2025, 10:48:37 AMThis. Don't be stubborn and too prideful to use the transfer portal to supplement the roster accordingly. Unless a coach is consistently pulling in top-tier talent out of high school I think there are more potential risks to avoiding the portal altogether.
You really think that Shaka isn't using the portal for these reasons?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 24, 2025, 10:56:24 AMJoe Chartouny? I think you underestimate how difficult it would be to recruit a player to come off the bench for a season and then, the following season, have to compete with three others at the same position for time.
Good thing the transfer pool in 2024/25 is much deeper than it was in 24/25 and Marquette's profile is much better than it was when chartouny was the profile of player we were going after.
I really don't think it's that difficult. What makes it difficult is ignoring the problem and not addressing it.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:36:40 AMThe roster has talent but also has very clear flaws. Not supplementing the current roster with an addition or two puts a low ceiling on this team.
Every roster has flaws.
Like many others here, I would have preferred that Shaka had added an experienced player or two through the portal each of the last couple of seasons and for the season coming up. But I admit that I didn't know (and don't know) who was realistically available to MU, and overall I'm pleased with what Shaka has accomplished so far.
The next two seasons will really test Shaka's recruit/develop/retain philosophy. I am rooting hard for Marquette to be one of the great stories in college basketball. If it ends up going bad, you'll have the satisfaction of saying, "I told you so," which apparently matters a lot to you.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 10:56:40 AMSo on the one hand, you think you know better than Shaka on how to build a team. But on the other, you have no idea who you would add to the roster since you aren't the coach.
Man that is weak.
It's not weak. You like to take a holier than thou stance when you disagree with someone which is actually very weak. The players are out there, the coaching staff needs to discover them just like they discover high school players.
You recruit the portal the same way you recruit high school players. Work your networks to find players interested where your roster has needs.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 11:08:32 AMIt's not weak. You like to take a holier than thou stance when you disagree with someone which is actually very weak. The players are out there, the coaching staff needs to discover them just like they discover high school players.
You recruit the portal the same way you recruit high school players. Work your networks to find players interested where your roster has needs.
I actually trust a successful college basketball coach when it comes to building a roster, versus a message board guy with crappy sources.
If that's hollier than thou, than I stand guilty.
Quote from: MU82 on April 24, 2025, 11:00:52 AMEvery roster has flaws.
Like many others here, I would have preferred that Shaka had added an experienced player or two through the portal each of the last couple of seasons and for the season coming up. But I admit that I didn't know (and don't know) who was realistically available to MU, and overall I'm pleased with what Shaka has accomplished so far.
The next two seasons will really test Shaka's recruit/develop/retain philosophy. I am rooting hard for Marquette to be one of the great stories in college basketball. If it ends up going bad, you'll have the satisfaction of saying, "I told you so," which apparently matters a lot to you.
I agree with all of this. Good post. And I want to go on the record saying I hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 11:12:40 AMI actually trust a successful college basketball coach when it comes to building a roster, versus a message board guy with crappy sources.
If that's hollier than thou, than I stand guilty.
Identifying possible roster additions is not the job of a message board poster so I'm not sure why you're trying to make this your gotcha moment.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:59:55 AMGood thing the transfer pool in 2024/25 is much deeper than it was in 24/25 and Marquette's profile is much better than it was when chartouny was the profile of player we were going after.
I really don't think it's that difficult. What makes it difficult is ignoring the problem and not addressing it.
So which player could MU have landed to sit the bench that would have been an upgrade to playing Ross at the backup PG spot? As for Shaka ignoring the problem, are you saying that he should have known in April of 2024 that Sean Jones would not return for the 2024-25 season? When did you know that Sean Jones would not be available for the entire season?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 11:20:43 AMIdentifying possible roster additions is not the job of a message board poster so I'm not sure why you're trying to make this your gotcha moment.
Ahh...
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 24, 2025, 11:31:23 AMSo which player could MU have landed to sit the bench that would have been an upgrade to playing Ross at the backup PG spot? As for Shaka ignoring the problem, are you saying that he should have known in April of 2024 that Sean Jones would not return for the 2024-25 season? When did you know that Sean Jones would not be available for the entire season?
Shaka - here is your shortlist. Work your coaching networks to find a player.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/top/basketball/2024/?position=pg
Avoiding the opportunity is burying your head in the sand and putting an unnecessary ceiling on a mostly talented roster with a couple of holes.
Shaka chose Clark for the last 24-25 schollie. He thought that between Stevie, Chase, Tre, Damarius, and Sean he could cobble together 12 minutes a game at the point. And then Zaide played some point in the loss to Nova in which he scored 25.
I am looking forward to seeing a healthy Sean, Tre, and DO in 25-26.
Ah, well.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 10:57:56 AMYou really think that Shaka isn't using the portal for these reasons?
Shaka's emphasis on relationships and development has built something solid, and the team clearly buys in. But avoiding the portal entirely, even when there are obvious gaps, is starting to feel a little more like stubbornness and pride than strategy.
He's made conflicting comments — saying he's open to the right transfer who isn't chasing a bag (let's face it, who isn't?), but also that not adding anyone the last few seasons was very intentional. He touched on how coaches can be hypocrites if their actions don't match their values, but it almost feels like he's boxed himself in. Like going to the portal now would make him feel like a hypocrite.
Marquette is still spending in NIL to keep players around, so it's not like the program is above it all. Would they lose guys if they weren't paying their recruits enough? Loyalty is valuable, but being too rigid could be what holds the team back from taking the next step. And yes, we all know that next step is so hard to achieve.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 24, 2025, 12:06:00 PMHe's made conflicting comments — saying he's open to the right transfer who isn't chasing a bag (let's face it, who isn't?), but also that not adding anyone the last few seasons was very intentional. He touched on how coaches can be hypocrites if their actions don't match their values, but it almost feels like he's boxed himself in. Like going to the portal now would make him feel like a hypocrite.
He hasn't made any conflicting comments. He's been very consistent. He will accept transfers if the situation is right.
Don't overthink it. Just take it at face value.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:36:40 AMWho was our back up pg last year?
What depth did we have on the front line?
I see major gaps in the roster coupled with low ceiling players in those spots. Hamilton is not a high major player and neither is Norman. Gold isn't a center and is forced to play that role. Sean jones hasn't played basketball in two years.
The roster has talent but also has very clear flaws. Not supplementing the current roster with an addition or two puts a low ceiling on this team.
Imagine if Sean had transferred like some here said over and over!
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 12:12:59 PMHe hasn't made any conflicting comments. He's been very consistent. He will accept transfers if the situation is right.
Don't overthink it. Just take it at face value.
The philosophy itself has merit. But saying he's open to the portal while refusing to engage in any NIL-driven recruiting does feel like a contradiction. Top transfers expect real offers. Given that, I don't see any "right situation" actually happening anytime soon.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 24, 2025, 12:43:36 PMThe philosophy itself has merit. But saying he's open to the portal while refusing to engage in any NIL-driven recruiting does feel like a contradiction. Top transfers expect real offers. Given that, I don't see any "right situation" actually happening anytime soon.
I think the bolded is what causes the most disagreements here. Too often, scoopers who hope that Shaka will bring in a transfer or two do not explain whether they would like a starter or someone willing to come in off the bench. HUGE difference in both $ and effect on Shaka's system and upon players who bought into it.
I assume that they are hoping for starters unless they say otherwise because the gist of their posts point in that direction.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 11:56:14 AMShaka - here is your shortlist. Work your coaching networks to find a player.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/top/basketball/2024/?position=pg
Avoiding the opportunity is burying your head in the sand and putting an unnecessary ceiling on a mostly talented roster with a couple of holes.
Which of the guys on that list transferred to a school to be a backup? Saying that the portal was the answer without being able to identify an available player who would actually come to be a backup and would be an upgrade is pretty meaningless.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 11:56:14 AMShaka - here is your shortlist. Work your coaching networks to find a player.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/top/basketball/2024/?position=pg
You should probably use the list for the correct year when giving recruiting advice.
With the escalating NIL budgets by booster groups at other schools, it is time to think of MU as the Brewers or Packers and simply not expect any big buck free agent signing.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 24, 2025, 01:00:26 PMWhich of the guys on that list transferred to a school to be a backup? Saying that the portal was the answer without being able to identify an available player who would actually come to be a backup and would be an upgrade is pretty meaningless.
You're the type I can't stand working with on a team setting. Always focusing on the negative, avoiding any possible problem solving and avoiding any challenging situation because it goes against the status quo.
Quote from: tower912 on April 24, 2025, 01:10:43 PMWith the escalating NIL budgets by booster groups at other schools, it is time to think of MU as the Brewers or Packers and simply not expect any big buck free agent signing.
That is a very fair and reasonable assumption.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 24, 2025, 01:01:09 PMYou should probably use the list for the correct year when giving recruiting advice.
The root of the discussion was the options of players going into last season so that is the correct list.
Either way, my point remains. If a coach at a successful program wants to find a player to improve their roster, it isn't hard to find. You need to be able to sell yourself, the program and the opportunity. Declining to do that puts a natural ceiling on your W/L record.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 24, 2025, 01:01:09 PMYou should probably use the list for the correct year when giving recruiting advice.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 01:16:57 PMThe root of the discussion was the options of players going into last season so that is the correct list.
Either way, my point remains. If a coach at a successful program wants to find a player to improve their roster, it isn't hard to find. You need to be able to sell yourself, the program and the opportunity. Declining to do that puts a natural ceiling on your W/L record.
You should talk about this more, there might be a casual user or two here who don't know your stance on this issue.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 01:16:57 PMThe root of the discussion was the options of players going into last season so that is the correct list.
Either way, my point remains. If a coach at a successful program wants to find a player to improve their roster, it isn't hard to find. You need to be able to sell yourself, the program and the opportunity. Declining to do that puts a natural ceiling on your W/L record.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 24, 2025, 01:01:09 PMYou should probably use the list for the correct year when giving recruiting advice.
Once again it actually is the correct list. We were discussing the roster makeup going into last season. Nice try though
Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 24, 2025, 10:10:05 AMI feel the same way about folks who think that the Shaka method of recruit, retain, and develop is ideal, but consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route.
The answer is somewhere in the middle. Recruit talented HS players, develop them, and supplement them with talented transfers to fill needs. Not OR, AND.
That's what Shaka did in Year 1 and Year 2. Year 3 we didn't have glaring needs so the retain and develop strategy was effective. Year 4 was proof that you need BOTH.
I knew we had a heck of a talented roster coming back last year and retained them all (WIN), but without Sean Jones it was painfully obvious we needed to fill a hole at PG and we didn't (LOSS).
We have some talented players coming back next year that form a strong core and should develop (WIN), but there's questions up front and again at PG. Right now it looks like we're taking a LOSS in that area.
Either way, both are necessary, and I don't know why it's so hard for folks on both sides to grasp that.
One or two seasons isn't proof of anything.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 01:13:49 PMYou're the type I can't stand working with on a team setting. Always focusing on the negative, avoiding any possible problem solving and avoiding any challenging situation because it goes against the status quo.
You've yet to demonstrate that your alternative was viable so I am sure you would not want me on your team.
I guess the bottom line of the portal panacea group is that Shaka is not a good enough recruiter. The team does not have enough talent. I am not sure why the sole focus is on the portal. There no doubt were better players in Europe. There were better freshmen playing somewhere. In fact, I have yet to see an MU team that could not have had better players. Even the national title team would have been better with Walter Davis. After watching Wojo for seven years, I am pretty content with Shaka. If you're not, just give up your season tickets to someone who is.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 01:36:24 PMOnce again it actually is the correct list. We were discussing the roster makeup going into last season. Nice try though
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 11:56:14 AMShaka - here is your shortlist. Work your coaching networks to find a player.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/top/basketball/2024/?position=pg (https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/top/basketball/2024/?position=pg)
Quote from: tower912 on April 24, 2025, 01:10:43 PMWith the escalating NIL budgets by booster groups at other schools, it is time to think of MU as the Brewers or Packers and simply not expect any big buck free agent signing.
and expect similar results...
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 01:16:57 PMThe root of the discussion was the options of players going into last season so that is the correct list.
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I guess everyone is gonna be happy with a top 50 team next year and a middle of the pack Big East standing. That looks like the ceiling for the team next year with the present roster construction. No inside game and no standout 3 point shooting threat. I'll be waiting to see the growth and development of Hamilton and Clark ! Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised. (Doubt It)
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 01:16:57 PMThe root of the discussion was the options of players going into last season so that is the correct list.
Either way, my point remains. If a coach at a successful program wants to find a player to improve their roster, it isn't hard to find. You need to be able to sell yourself, the program and the opportunity. Declining to do that puts a natural ceiling on your W/L record.
I highly doubt having marginal upgrades to our PG and big man depth last season would have dramatically changed the outcome of the season.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 24, 2025, 02:35:31 PMand expect similar results...
Playoffs every year, whiny fans? Already there.
Quote from: drbob on April 24, 2025, 03:13:00 PMI guess everyone is gonna be happy with a top 50 team next year and a middle of the pack Big East standing. That looks like the ceiling for the team next year with the present roster construction. No inside game and no standout 3 point shooting threat. I'll be waiting to see the growth and development of Hamilton and Clark ! Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised. (Doubt It)
No one is making you watch. If it isn't going to make you happy, there are so many other things you can do to make yourself happy. You've preconditioned yourself to expect the worst next year, so I would say, don't bother. So many choices in life, don't limit yourself to things that make you sad like Marquette basketball
Quote from: drbob on April 24, 2025, 03:13:00 PMI guess everyone is gonna be happy with a top 50 team next year and a middle of the pack Big East standing. That looks like the ceiling for the team next year with the present roster construction. No inside game and no standout 3 point shooting threat. I'll be waiting to see the growth and development of Hamilton and Clark ! Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised. (Doubt It)
Shaka has never shown an ability to take what looks like a mediocre (or bad) P5 roster and overachieve. He could never be predicted to finish 9th in the BE and win the BE that season. He could never match portal maestro Rick Pitino in winning a BE regular season and tourney title in year 2 of coaching at a BE program. And when he does do those things, it's unacceptable if he loses in the second round. Rick would have that team rolling to the FF.
You're right to doubt that a roster with no portal additions under Shaka will see player improvement.
Quote from: drbob on April 24, 2025, 03:13:00 PMI guess everyone is gonna be happy with a top 50 team next year and a middle of the pack Big East standing. That looks like the ceiling for the team next year with the present roster construction. No inside game and no standout 3 point shooting threat. I'll be waiting to see the growth and development of Hamilton and Clark ! Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised. (Doubt It)
Yeah, in Shaka's 4 lousy years at Marquette, not one player has improved under his watch to become any good.
Nick Janowski transfers to St. Thomas. Another Shaka green weenie
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 02:48:52 PM(https://cdn.dribbble.com/userupload/20513991/file/original-02dc959eabbc4466e341cbbbf2885ac2.gif)
Is that not a list of transfers available going into last season?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 24, 2025, 03:13:36 PMI highly doubt having marginal upgrades to our PG and big man depth last season would have dramatically changed the outcome of the season.
A competent big man moves gold to the wing and a back up point guard relegates Norman to mop up duty and allows Kam to play off the ball a bit more.
More depth allows us compete more on the glass as well as more competent players. I'm not sure how you argue against this given our Wojo esque collapse in the second half of the season.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 05:47:29 PMA competent big man moves gold to the wing and a back up point guard relegates Norman to mop up duty and allows Kam to play off the ball a bit more.
More depth allows us compete more on the glass as well as more competent players. I'm not sure how you argue against this given our Wojo esque collapse in the second half of the season.
No open slots after Clark was signed.
Quote from: tower912 on April 24, 2025, 05:52:55 PMNo open slots after Clark was signed.
True - and I'm on record saying it's a waste of a scholarship.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 24, 2025, 03:20:42 PMNo one is making you watch. If it isn't going to make you happy, there are so many other things you can do to make yourself happy. You've preconditioned yourself to expect the worst next year, so I would say, don't bother. So many choices in life, don't limit yourself to things that make you sad like Marquette basketball
. I probably love MU basketball more than you. Almost 60 years worth. Sorry if I strive to see them attain more success than you seem satisfied with. There are obvious weaknesses going into next year. I will root as always but will wish for more.
Quote from: drbob on April 24, 2025, 06:32:44 PMSorry if I strive to see them attain more success than you seem satisfied with.
I get so sick of this sh1t. You clearly are the only fan that wants to win a championship. I wish Shaka wanted it as badly as you.
I am sure he does!
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 06:02:27 PMTrue - and I'm on record saying it's a waste of a scholarship.
Maybe he will transfer......keep us posted.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 24, 2025, 07:24:10 PMMaybe he will transfer......keep us posted.
Before he plays, Shaka has recruited 2 zero star players, Hamilton right now needs lots of improvement to even get quality minutes, Clark showed an ability to jump and dunk, but not sure about him either. To say in 2500 kids there is not a big to help this team is ridiculous. Shaka is just stubborn. He's a smart dude, trying to figure out why he can not find a transfer, only thing I can think about this is he is expecting a big frosh class for 2025.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 24, 2025, 07:43:20 PMBefore he plays, Shaka has recruited 2 zero star players, Hamilton right now needs lots of improvement to even get quality minutes, Clark showed an ability to jump and dunk, but not sure about him either. To say in 2500 kids there is not a big to help this team is ridiculous. Shaka is just stubborn. He's a smart dude, trying to figure out why he can not find a transfer, only thing I can think about this is he is expecting a big frosh class for 2025.
What are going do about it?
Continue to bitch all summer?
Every Marquette player and coach sucks!
I know, because I'm the best Marquette fan here, and I want to win more than all y'all put together!
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 24, 2025, 07:55:11 PMWhat are going do about it?
Continue to bitch all summer?
His grandson is the second ranked 6th grade recruit in Wisconsin. Guy knows ball. I trust him to build our roster over Shaka. At least make him the program's GM.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 24, 2025, 08:16:26 PMHis grandson is the second ranked 6th grade recruit in Wisconsin. Guy knows ball. I trust him to build our roster over Shaka. At least make him the program's GM.
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Do you want to win a National Championship or not? If you're happy recruiting kids recruited by nobody that's fine. Like the 4 kids he recruited coming in, now he has back that up. If you do not see areas that they need improvement, then you do not ball. Grandson is going to start working with Travis to keep improving.
Wasn't the starting 5 of the team that just won the championship mostly unheralded recruits?
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 24, 2025, 08:34:26 PMWasn't the starting 5 of the team that just won the championship mostly unheralded recruits?
They were.
Quote from: drbob on April 24, 2025, 06:32:44 PM. I probably love MU basketball more than you. Almost 60 years worth. Sorry if I strive to see them attain more success than you seem satisfied with. There are obvious weaknesses going into next year. I will root as always but will wish for more.
You should write a letter.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 06:02:27 PMTrue - and I'm on record saying it's a waste of a scholarship.
I have never been so sure that he's going to be a star.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 24, 2025, 08:36:41 PMThey were.
They picked up a transfer who is a lottery pick, not sure I see a player on MU that will be a lottery pick next year
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 24, 2025, 08:45:39 PMThey picked up a transfer who is a lottery pick, not sure I see a player on MU that will be a lottery pick next year
You know ball so I'm sure you saw Walter Clayton averaging 7 PPG at Iona and said, "Shaka needs to get this stud or he'll win Florida a title and be a lottery pick." I'm sure you saw Kolek as an NBA player when he finished his sophomore year here. Like I said, Shaka needs to make you the GM.
Tyler was freshman of the year in the A10, so he determined he could play up from George Mason, and did. The player that was more of a great pick was Omax, no once saw that. Clayton there was college video to watch, he was being recruited by St. John's and Florida, both those coaches so something on film.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 24, 2025, 08:45:39 PMThey picked up a transfer who is a lottery pick, not sure I see a player on MU that will be a lottery pick next year
If Clayton is in the lottery, he will be a bust.
I think he'll end in the 20's.
Haugh was the real guy on that team.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 08:42:39 PMI have never been so sure that he's going to be a star.
I'm on record saying I will eat my column if Hamilton turns into anything with Marquette. I will add Clark to that list as well.
A player in 2025 with no major offers out of high school will never be a HM player.
Couple that with the fact he redshirted with our sorry front line this year and I've never been so sure about anything in my life.
Every team in the final four this year played guys who had zero HM offers out of high school
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 09:58:37 PMI'm on record saying I will eat my column if Hamilton turns into anything with Marquette. I will add Clark to that list as well.
A player in 2025 with no major offers out of high school will never be a HM player.
Couple that with the fact he redshirted with our sorry front line this year and I've never been so sure about anything in my life.
Only you and I see that!
Quote from: JTJ3 on April 24, 2025, 10:07:30 PMEvery team in the final four this year played guys who had zero HM offers out of high school
Allow me to amend - he had no offers aside from ut Arlington and Sam Houston state. Not even the lows were interested in him
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 09:58:37 PMI'm on record saying I will eat my column if Hamilton turns into anything with Marquette. I will add Clark to that list as well.
A player in 2025 with no major offers out of high school will never be a HM player.
Couple that with the fact he redshirted with our sorry front line this year and I've never been so sure about anything in my life.
If they "turn into anything at Marquette".
Who gets to be the judge of "anything"? You?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 24, 2025, 10:45:36 PMIf they "turn into anything at Marquette".
Who gets to be the judge of "anything"? You?
Nope - as stated in our last conversation, you can pick.
Being unaffected by the transfer portal directly and Dauster names us a top 10 portal loser? Without watching the video assuming the SJU adds, etc putting us behind is his reference. Still lame
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/1915541272837972479?s=46&t=Lb8EYkmpy2ihHfZoXXfVgw
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on April 24, 2025, 11:03:17 PMBeing unaffected by the transfer portal directly and Dauster names us a top 10 portal loser? Without watching the video assuming the SJU adds, etc putting us behind is his reference. Still lame
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/1915541272837972479?s=46&t=Lb8EYkmpy2ihHfZoXXfVgw
Graduated an all American and two all conference performers on a team that flamed out in the second half of the season. Replacements have minimal experience to pick up the slack. Completely reasonable take.
Quote from: JTJ3 on April 24, 2025, 10:07:30 PMEvery team in the final four this year played guys who had zero HM offers out of high school
Of course the difference which you did not mention after being in the final 4 was that MU wasn't close. Shaka needs to step up to his big boy salary and get MU moving much closer to that destination. UConn, Slick Rick, Creighton, UW all highly ranked next year. MU nowhere to be found. As Tower would say, time to giddyup Shaka. Not the time to tie the horse to the post and sit in the bar talking about the glory days. Little tribute to the Boss there.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 24, 2025, 10:33:04 PMOnly you and I see that!
This should tell you something.
I love the yappy little dog energy.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 25, 2025, 05:01:36 AMOf course the difference which you did not mention after being in the final 4 was that MU wasn't close. Shaka needs to step up to his big boy salary and get MU moving much closer to that destination. UConn, Slick Rick, Creighton, UW all highly ranked next year. MU nowhere to be found. As Tower would say, time to giddyup Shaka. Not the time to tie the horse to the post and sit in the bar talking about the glory days. Little tribute to the Boss there.
Thank you
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 05:47:29 PMA competent big man moves gold to the wing and a back up point guard relegates Norman to mop up duty and allows Kam to play off the ball a bit more.
More depth allows us compete more on the glass as well as more competent players. I'm not sure how you argue against this given our Wojo esque collapse in the second half of the season.
It's not going to happen, and you can't point to players that exist in the portal to actually make it happen.
Fantasyland.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 25, 2025, 08:15:14 AMIt's not going to happen, and you can't point to players that exist in the portal to actually make it happen.
Fantasyland.
Impossible because of Shaka's obsession with taking on completely unknown project bigs which limit roster mobility when the team needs help to raise their ceiling.
An item the portal obsessives are choosing to ignore is money. Under the current system, MU'S BTD fund is not keeping up with the $8-10 million club. Again, I compare it to the Brewers or Packers. You can say you want the Brewers to sign Shohei Ohtani. But it isn't going to happen. The going rate for a 5 or even stretch 4 good enough to start ahead of Gold or Parham is 7 figures. BTD doesn't have a spare million laying around. The market exploded and BTD is struggling to keep up.
The best or most that the BTD fund could afford is a Horizon or MAC player. Remember, both Amadou and Itejere found homes in the A-10 quickly and easily. The equivalent of one of those two with a year of starting at a low major is what you are looking at.
Give me relationships and growth.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 05:47:29 PMA competent big man moves gold to the wing and a back up point guard relegates Norman to mop up duty and allows Kam to play off the ball a bit more.
More depth allows us compete more on the glass as well as more competent players. I'm not sure how you argue against this given our Wojo esque collapse in the second half of the season.
Again, the hypothetical portal big wouldn't have started. So he moves Ben to the 4 for a handful of minutes a game and then takes away minutes from Joplin and Royce? Not much of a help. Our wing depth was fine.
I'll grant you a backup PG would have allowed Kam to play off-the-ball more but it seems clear Shaka thought there was a solid chance Sean would be back and likely wanted to give Norman an opportunity.
It's fair to argue that Shaka counting on Sean was a mistake (if that indeed was the case).
I still maintain adding back-up depth at the 1 and 5 likely wouldn't have raised the team's ceiling too much.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 08:55:56 AMImpossible because of Shaka's obsession with taking on completely unknown project bigs which limit roster mobility when the team needs help to raise their ceiling.
Okay, but if you don't have proof that the system he's pursuing doesn't work, then you should probably wait for evidence that it doesn't.
Just because YOU think Hamilton and Clark won't amount to anything doesn't mean they won't. Shaka seems to have faith that they're coachable guys with size. Clark is 7'1. He hasn't played a single minute for Marquette yet, but you're ready to write him off. Hamilton red shirted and then played for less than five minutes per game... basically the minutes that most Freshman get and you're ready to write him off.
Turn off your instant gratification needs that you've been conditioned towards and accept that this is the team that we're rolling out. You don't KNOW if they're going to be good or bad until the games are played. If at the end of the year Marquette has had a bad year and Cade and Josh had no impact or negative impact I'd imagine that Shaka would change his strategy. If not, then go nuts with the criticism, because he's the coach and he owns the decision.
But right now, you don't know what next year brings, and crying about the portal endlessly as if this board had ANY control over the decision comes off as extremely silly.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 25, 2025, 08:56:31 AMAgain, the hypothetical portal big wouldn't have started. So he moves Ben to the 4 for a handful of minutes a game and then takes away minutes from Joplin and Royce? Not much of a help. Our wing depth was fine.
I'll grant you a backup PG would have allowed Kam to play off-the-ball more but it seems clear Shaka thought there was a solid choice Sean would be back and likely wanted to give Norman an opportunity.
It's fair to argue that Shaka counting on Sean was a mistake (if that indeed was the case).
I still maintain adding back-up depth at the 1 and 5 likely wouldn't have raised the team's ceiling too much.
Depth on the front line would've helped during Ben's remarkably poor stretch during conference season.
Counting on Ben at the 5 and a freshman (albeit a very talented one) to cover 37 minutes a game was always a bad plan.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 25, 2025, 09:16:12 AMOkay, but if you don't have proof that the system he's pursuing doesn't work, then you should probably wait for evidence that it doesn't.
Just because YOU think Hamilton and Clark won't amount to anything doesn't mean they won't. Shaka seems to have faith that they're coachable guys with size. Clark is 7'1. He hasn't played a single minute for Marquette yet, but you're ready to write him off. Hamilton red shirted and then played for less than five minutes per game... basically the minutes that most Freshman get and you're ready to write him off.
Turn off your instant gratification needs that you've been conditioned towards and accept that this is the team that we're rolling out. You don't KNOW if they're going to be good or bad until the games are played. If at the end of the year Marquette has had a bad year and Cade and Josh had no impact or negative impact I'd imagine that Shaka would change his strategy. If not, then go nuts with the criticism, because he's the coach and he owns the decision.
But right now, you don't know what next year brings, and crying about the portal endlessly as if this board had ANY control over the decision comes off as extremely silly.
The second half of last season is the first bit of proof of his system showing cracks. Next season will be the ultimate test.
Owens, Zaide, gold and mitchell were all banged up with jones out for the year. Amadou and Clark redshirts ate up scholarship opportunities for more pieces who can contribute while Hamilton proved every second he is on the floor he doesn't belong at this level.
Shaka fills up the back end of his roster with guys who can't contribute when additional players with college experience could push our current roster as well as supplement for the grind of a long season.
Competition breeds success.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 08:55:56 AMImpossible because of Shaka's obsession with taking on completely unknown project bigs which limit roster mobility when the team needs help to raise their ceiling.
We have scholarships available now regardless of the project bigs who you believe are a waste.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 08:55:56 AMImpossible because of Shaka's obsession with taking on completely unknown project bigs which limit roster mobility when the team needs help to raise their ceiling.
Oso was a project big.
And we havn't had a "big" as good as him in the last 18 years unless you include "jae crowder" being a 5 man.
The issue for next year team is guard play not the front court. The front court might not be "stacked" but its average to above average.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 25, 2025, 10:04:37 AMOso was a project big.
And we havn't had a "big" as good as him in the last 18 years unless you include "jae crowder" being a 5 man.
The issue for next year team is guard play not the front court. The front court might not be "stacked" but its average to above average.
If you squint hard enough, you can see the difference.
https://247sports.com/player/osasere-ighodaro-46083527/high-school-234106/
https://247sports.com/player/joshua-clark-46149207/
https://247sports.com/player/caedin-hamilton-46143024/
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 08:56:51 AMLots of groupthink here ?
Isn't groupthink a SCOOP staple?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 09:44:34 AMThe second half of last season is the first bit of proof of his system showing cracks. Next season will be the ultimate test.
Owens, Zaide, gold and mitchell were all banged up with jones out for the year. Amadou and Clark redshirts ate up scholarship opportunities for more pieces who can contribute while Hamilton proved every second he is on the floor he doesn't belong at this level.
Shaka fills up the back end of his roster with guys who can't contribute when additional players with college experience could push our current roster as well as supplement for the grind of a long season.
Competition breeds success.
Yeah, so you're just a silly person.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 09:44:34 AMThe second half of last season is the first bit of proof of his system showing cracks. Next season will be the ultimate test.
Owens, Zaide, gold and mitchell were all banged up with jones out for the year. Amadou and Clark redshirts ate up scholarship opportunities for more pieces who can contribute while Hamilton proved every second he is on the floor he doesn't belong at this level.
Shaka fills up the back end of his roster with guys who can't contribute when additional players with college experience could push our current roster as well as supplement for the grind of a long season.
Competition breeds success.
How many teams are playing with a rotation deeper than 7-8 in league play?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 09:58:37 PMI'm on record saying I will eat my column if Hamilton turns into anything with Marquette. I will add Clark to that list as well.
A player in 2025 with no major offers out of high school will never be a HM player.
Couple that with the fact he redshirted with our sorry front line this year and I've never been so sure about anything in my life.
I get a kick out of your use of terms like "major" offers and "high major" players, because you will define those terms as suits your needs. In any event, I did a quick look and I do not see that Tyson Degenhart received an offer other than Boise St. He was first team All MWC and is projected to be drafted. Is he a HM player?
Quote from: tower912 on April 25, 2025, 08:56:09 AMAn item the portal obsessives are choosing to ignore is money. Under the current system, MU'S BTD fund is not keeping up with the $8-10 million club. Again, I compare it to the Brewers or Packers. You can say you want the Brewers to sign Shohei Ohtani. But it isn't going to happen. The going rate for a 5 or even stretch 4 good enough to start ahead of Gold or Parham is 7 figures. BTD doesn't have a spare million laying around. The market exploded and BTD is struggling to keep up.
The best or most that the BTD fund could afford is a Horizon or MAC player. Remember, both Amadou and Itejere found homes in the A-10 quickly and easily. The equivalent of one of those two with a year of starting at a low major is what you are looking at.
Give me relationships and growth.
Very curious where you are getting that information, because I don't think it's true. I don't think Shaka's model is limited by what BTD can afford, I think what BTD is using on transfers is a product of Shaka's model.
I also think Broeker's email isn't indicative of the health of BTD. It's acknowledging that after the House settlement dust settles, we will likely be in a new environment where Marquette is paying players through revenue sharing, and it's letting fans know that there's no framework for that yet and they may need additional contributions under that new model.
If someone closer to BTD wants to correct this, feel free, but I feel confident saying Marquette's lack of spending in the transfer portal has very little to do with BTD's fiscal reserves and a great deal to do with Shaka's desire to build through a culture of retention that avoids both gaining new players via the portal and losing current players in the same way.
Quote from: tower912 on April 25, 2025, 08:56:09 AMAn item the portal obsessives are choosing to ignore is money. Under the current system, MU'S BTD fund is not keeping up with the $8-10 million club. Again, I compare it to the Brewers or Packers. You can say you want the Brewers to sign Shohei Ohtani. But it isn't going to happen. The going rate for a 5 or even stretch 4 good enough to start ahead of Gold or Parham is 7 figures. BTD doesn't have a spare million laying around. The market exploded and BTD is struggling to keep up.
The best or most that the BTD fund could afford is a Horizon or MAC player. Remember, both Amadou and Itejere found homes in the A-10 quickly and easily. The equivalent of one of those two with a year of starting at a low major is what you are looking at.
Give me relationships and growth.
So far, Marquette has retained its players, and as you have stated the market has exploded. My concern is in the future will there be enough money to keep our players from leaving for greener pastures. I think our current AD has those concerns as well. If BTD can only afford a MAC or Horizon player from the portal than that is what I would assume a HS recruit is being offered to play at MU. The next 2 or 3 seasons will reveal to us where the program stands nationally.
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Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 10:09:10 AMIf you squint hard enough, you can see the difference.
https://247sports.com/player/osasere-ighodaro-46083527/high-school-234106/
https://247sports.com/player/joshua-clark-46149207/
https://247sports.com/player/caedin-hamilton-46143024/
My guy loves his recruiting rankings...
Genius, check their rankings before each of them reclassified.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 25, 2025, 11:15:08 AMMy guy loves his recruiting rankings...
Genius, check their rankings before each of them reclassified.
Exactly.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 10:39:16 AMI get a kick out of your use of terms like "major" offers and "high major" players, because you will define those terms as suits your needs. In any event, I did a quick look and I do not see that Tyson Degenhart received an offer other than Boise St. He was first team All MWC and is projected to be drafted. Is he a HM player?
Very simple - teams like Boise state or many, many other programs who don't have the resources or national profile Marquette does need to take a chance on kids like degenhart because their evaluation pool is smaller.
Marquette is willingly dropping several levels below their competition recruiting kids who are unranked/un recruited or lightly recruited by low majors.
Bad example. Find a high major team who took a zero star high school recruit and turned him into an all conference player in the last 4 years.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 25, 2025, 11:15:08 AMMy guy loves his recruiting rankings...
Genius, check their rankings before each of them reclassified.
Please enlighten me
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 25, 2025, 10:32:11 AMYeah, so you're just a silly person.
I expect those insults from others here but not from someone of your stature.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2025, 10:38:46 AMHow many teams are playing with a rotation deeper than 7-8 in league play?
Short rotations = good
Short rotations = not good with multiple injuries and zero depth.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:24:03 AMShort rotations = good
Short rotations = not good with multiple injuries and zero depth.
How many teams are surviving multiple injuries to rotation players and having quality depth behind that?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:17:38 AMVery simple - teams like Boise state or many, many other programs who don't have the resources or national profile Marquette does need to take a chance on kids like degenhart because their evaluation pool is smaller.
Marquette is willingly dropping several levels below their competition recruiting kids who are unranked/un recruited or lightly recruited by low majors.
Bad example. Find a high major team who took a zero star high school recruit and turned him into an all conference player in the last 4 years.
Hahaha! I literally laughed out loud when I read your response. You get proven wrong and then try to dance out of it like a one-legged Ginger Rogers.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:23:02 AMI expect those insults from others here but not from someone of your stature.
Perhaps you should reflect why someone of his stature is insulting you. But of course that would require accurate self-reflection...
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:17:38 AMMarquette is willingly dropping several levels below their competition recruiting kids who are unranked/un recruited or lightly recruited by low majors.
Bad example. Find a high major team who took a zero star high school recruit and turned him into an all conference player in the last 4 years.
Different sport, but last night's #1 pick in the NFL draft was Cam Ward, a 0-Star recruit out of high school. It happens, rating services are flawed and kids develop.
Tyler Kolek was zero stars
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 11:31:45 AMHahaha! I literally laughed out loud when I read your response. You get proven wrong and then try to dance out of it like a one-legged Ginger Rogers.
I guess you're right if you think Marquette and Boise state are on the same level. That would be a sad state of affairs.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:17:38 AMVery simple - teams like Boise state or many, many other programs who don't have the resources or national profile Marquette does need to take a chance on kids like degenhart because their evaluation pool is smaller.
Marquette is willingly dropping several levels below their competition recruiting kids who are unranked/un recruited or lightly recruited by low majors.
Bad example. Find a high major team who took a zero star high school recruit and turned him into an all conference player in the last 4 years.
Alijah Martin was just the second leading scorer on the national championship team and was a 0 star recruit.
The national title game is full of 3 star guys you would've wanted Shaka to cut before they ever had a chance to develop.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 25, 2025, 12:00:24 PMAlijah Martin was just the second leading scorer on the national championship team and was a 0 star recruit.
The national title game is full of 3 star guys you would've wanted Shaka to cut before they ever had a chance to develop.
And how many of those players started at those programs?
The portal is great because you can identify players already succeeding in college.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 12:03:20 PMAnd how many of those players started at those programs?
The portal is great because you can identify players already succeeding in college.
And you can lose players already succeeding in college.
Condon, Haugh, Aberdeen were all 3 stars that started at Florida. Sharp, Roberts, Arceneaux were all 3 stars that started at Houston. You would've bitched that Shaka didn't want to win if these guys were on Marquette's roster.
Guys, all Panda wants to do is complain and argue. It's why he was perma-banned. It's why he shifts the goalposts in his arguments. Regardless of how the season went or what offseason moves Shaka may have made, he would have found something to complain about and then argued with anyone who would respond to him. He's proved he has a low understanding of the game, he's proved that his sources at MU are either bad or made up, just let him yell at some clouds.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:23:02 AMI expect those insults from others here but not from someone of your stature.
Well you're just being silly. You're making conclusions about players that you've seen limited minutes from who are underclassmen.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 25, 2025, 11:41:47 AMPerhaps you should reflect why someone of his stature is insulting you. But of course that would require accurate self-reflection...
I'm only 5'10 :(
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:53:46 AMI guess you're right if you think Marquette and Boise state are on the same level. That would be a sad state of affairs.
You don't think Tyson Degenhart was a high major player. I will keep that in mind when considering your other basketball-related statements.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:17:38 AMVery simple - teams like Boise state or many, many other programs who don't have the resources or national profile Marquette does need to take a chance on kids like degenhart because their evaluation pool is smaller.
Marquette is willingly dropping several levels below their competition recruiting kids who are unranked/un recruited or lightly recruited by low majors.
Bad example. Find a high major team who took a zero star high school recruit and turned him into an all conference player in the last 4 years.
Come on. Shaka has 15 scholarships to play with. His rotation is usually 9-10 guys and typically shrinks to 7-8 towards the end of the season and tourney time.
Taking some project bigs and redshirting them makes a ton of sense from a strategic standpoint.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 09:58:37 PMI'm on record saying I will eat my column if Hamilton turns into anything with Marquette. I will add Clark to that list as well.
Your exact words were "significant contributor." And then, when pressed, you used unrealistic stats to define "significant contributor" - stats that future NBAers such as Oso nor OMax never came close to at Marquette.
So again, you're really making quite a statement by saying you'll eat your "column" if Hamilton and Clark don't exceed Oso's production. Big risk!
Tell you what - I'll print this out and eat it if Tre Norman is a significant contributor** next season.
(**significant contributor is defined as averaging 14 points and 7 assists. So what if Kam Jones, Mark Sears and Walter Clayton Jr. didn't do that for their teams? I get to choose whatever definition I want!)
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 25, 2025, 11:07:05 AMSo far, Marquette has retained its players, and as you have stated the market has exploded. My concern is in the future will there be enough money to keep our players from leaving for greener pastures. I think our current AD has those concerns as well. If BTD can only afford a MAC or Horizon player from the portal than that is what I would assume a HS recruit is being offered to play at MU. The next 2 or 3 seasons will reveal to us where the program stands nationally.
NIL is a slow motion train wreck that will likely look different several years from now. It is not a sustainable model and will probably be modified.
I am not concerned where MU is nationally in 2 or 3 years. The administration is fully supportive of the program and we are hardly alone. The hand wringing over using the portal(or not) is ridiculous.
I trust Shaka and Broker know what they are doing. They are making the best decisions with what we have as a program.
Shaka is handling his projects exactly like he should. Bring them in early, redshirt them, try to develop them, give them limited minutes. If they have potential, keep them in the program for a second year of potentially limited minutes, or a bigger role. After that year, if they still don't seem up to the task then have the honest conversation that moving a level down might be best (Keeyan, Al). If players 8, 9, 10 are those projects? Big problem. 12 and 13? No problem at all.
Panda saying having guys 12 and 13 being projects hurt our chances when rotation pieces got banged up down the stretch of the season is hilarious. Nobody in the portal that should get high major minutes is coming to Marquette to be the 12th and 13th guy in case someone in rotation spots 1-8 get hurt and everyone gets to bump up a spot.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 25, 2025, 12:11:29 PMAnd you can lose players already succeeding in college.
Condon, Haugh, Aberdeen were all 3 stars that started at Florida. Sharp, Roberts, Arceneaux were all 3 stars that started at Houston. You would've bitched that Shaka didn't want to win if these guys were on Marquette's roster.
Condon was an nba global academy kid.
Haugh had multiple high major offers
Aberdeen also had multiple HM offers.
Sharp also had multiple HM offers.
Roberts also had multiple HM offers.
Arceneaux was a 4 start with multiple HM offers.
Absolutely nothing similar to the stature of player such as Hamilton, Clark etc.
Swing and a miss !
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 25, 2025, 12:49:01 PMCome on. Shaka has 15 scholarships to play with. His rotation is usually 9-10 guys and typically shrinks to 7-8 towards the end of the season and tourney time.
Taking some project bigs and redshirting them makes a ton of sense for a strategic standpoint.
It doesn't make sense when there is zero roster mobility for current team needs.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 25, 2025, 12:15:14 PMGuys, all Panda wants to do is complain and argue. It's why he was perma-banned. It's why he shifts the goalposts in his arguments. Regardless of how the season went or what offseason moves Shaka may have made, he would have found something to complain about and then argued with anyone who would respond to him. He's proved he has a low understanding of the game, he's proved that his sources at MU are either bad or made up, just let him yell at some clouds.
When did I complain the two seasons previous to this one? All of the receipts are saved and available. Please show me.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 01:53:19 PMCondon was an nba global academy kid.
Haugh had multiple high major offers
Aberdeen also had multiple HM offers.
Sharp also had multiple HM offers.
Roberts also had multiple HM offers.
Arceneaux was a 4 start with multiple HM offers.
Absolutely nothing similar to the stature of player such as Hamilton, Clark etc.
Swing and a miss !
So when you said, "Who were the 3 stars that started at those schools?" you didn't really want the answer to that huh?
You are right on Arceneaux though. I was wrong on him, not sure why I thought he was a 3 star recruit.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 12:45:50 PMYou don't think Tyson Degenhart was a high major player. I will keep that in mind when considering your other basketball-related statements.
No - he turned into a high quality player because of the opportunities afforded to him playing at a lower quality school. Marquette cannot offer that opportunity to similarly unheralded recruits to play 70% of the mins their freshman year.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 25, 2025, 02:00:03 PMSo when you said, "Who were the 3 stars that started at those schools?" you didn't really want the answer to that huh?
You are right on Arceneaux though. I was wrong on him, not sure why I thought he was a 3 star recruit.
Question - does 247 give out 1 and 2 star rankings? Because the players we both parsed out from Houston and Florida were in a different stratosphere recruiting wise out of HS than the mu "3 stars"
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 01:53:19 PMCondon was an nba global academy kid.
If you're going to use this as an example of touting a young man's potential then I think you might be interested in where Gold came from
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 23, 2025, 07:27:24 PMViper wants us to be more like Wisco........recruit over players for the next best thing coming down the line.
...Just win meaningful games in late March. Then again, what Bo Ryan did at Wisconsin, yes please.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 02:03:13 PMNo - he turned into a high quality player because of the opportunities afforded to him playing at a lower quality school. Marquette cannot offer that opportunity to similarly unheralded recruits to play 70% of the mins their freshman year.
Isn't that the point? He wasn't highly recruited and became a high quality player D-1 player. Your belief that players improve primarily based on game minutes also is wrong but once again quite telling.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 23, 2025, 06:58:14 PMWhy wouldn't they return?
unfortunately, and imo, you are correct
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 24, 2025, 08:29:12 AMI like how Shaka is doing it and he's more than earned the right to continue with this approach. I'm also not anti-portal if Shaka wanted or needed to use it.
What continually frustrates me is most of the people who really think he should be using the portal much more consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route, which are numerous.
status quo Marquette?...or take a chance, adapt, do things differently Marquette? Might fail. Might win big.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 25, 2025, 02:33:28 PMIf you're going to use this as an example of touting a young man's potential then I think you might be interested in where Gold came from
I'm well aware. And he's not the topic of conversation here. Ben's talent level coming in as a freshman is commiserate with the level I expect for Marquette.
Clark/hamilton not so much
Quote from: tower912 on April 24, 2025, 01:10:43 PMWith the escalating NIL budgets by booster groups at other schools, it is time to think of MU as the Brewers or Packers and simply not expect any big buck free agent signing.
$ no matta to GB. Pack can compete with any other team due to the NFL salary cap. Same w/the Bucks. Brewers/MLB the better analogy. College sports need some form of regs around NIL or midmajors are pretty much toast at some point. Or, MU becomes a mid.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2025, 10:38:46 AMHow many teams are playing with a rotation deeper than 7-8 in league play?
few. And going with our top 7-8? We should win some games come late March in what, the CBI? Crown?
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:03:18 PMfew. And going with our top 7-8? We should win some games come late March in what, the CBI? Crown?
Your RED BIL has been texting you a lot lately, I see.
Cool. More practice and game reps for the young guys.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 02:37:41 PMIsn't that the point? He wasn't highly recruited and became a high quality player D-1 player. Your belief that players improve primarily based on game minutes also is wrong but once again quite telling.
No - the point is Marquette should never be on the same recruiting level as Boise state.
What a terrible example
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:03:18 PMfew. And going with our top 7-8? We should win some games come late March in what, the CBI? Crown?
Maybe Shaka can show them some game film of the epic Jim Chones-Lew Alcindor matchups
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 25, 2025, 12:15:14 PMGuys, all Panda wants to do is complain and argue. It's why he was perma-banned. It's why he shifts the goalposts in his arguments. Regardless of how the season went or what offseason moves Shaka may have made, he would have found something to complain about and then argued with anyone who would respond to him. He's proved he has a low understanding of the game, he's proved that his sources at MU are either bad or made up, just let him yell at some clouds.
actually, Panda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March. Tower, apparently yourself, and others, seem fine flying from point A to point B as is. Panda, myself and others, want more, and feel more can be done, are not sure why some players that would appear to be mediocre at best were recruited here, see how the game...and the recruiting dynamic has changed, and prefer MU plot a slightly different route. As my old flight instructor would teach...we want to go here...how you want to get there?
I believe that MU can get to the promised land via Shaka's template.
2025-2027 will be very telling if Shaka can find the right guys out of high school to get to that level
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:12:56 PMactually, Panda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March. Tower, apparently yourself, and others, seem fine flying from point A to point B as is. Panda, myself and others, want more, and feel more can be done, are not sure why some players that would appear to be mediocre at best were recruited here, see how the game...and the recruiting dynamic has changed, and prefer MU plot a slightly different route. As my old flight instructor would teach...we want to go here...how you want to get there?
From a post by you 3 days ago:
back from a Rocky ruler-across-the-hands slap. Miss me? Tower, wake up. No holes to fill? A roster of mediocrity and no holes to fill?
Swap out the entire dang roster!! No holes to fill? You can't be serious???? Gonna run with returnees and 3star HS boys? Should go well vs StJ's. Talk about absurd. Mediocrity is smacking you upside the noggan. Wake up!
Is this the "slightly different route" you have in mind?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 01:55:28 PMIt doesn't make sense when there is zero roster mobility for current team needs.
What the hell are you talking about? Even with our projects we have two open spots.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 25, 2025, 03:22:58 PMIs this the "slightly different route" you have in mind?
Yep, if the plane isn't the way you want, crash it.
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:12:56 PMPanda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March.
So does everyone here dumbass.
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:12:56 PMactually, Panda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March. Tower, apparently yourself, and others, seem fine flying from point A to point B as is. Panda, myself and others, want more, and feel more can be done, are not sure why some players that would appear to be mediocre at best were recruited here, see how the game...and the recruiting dynamic has changed, and prefer MU plot a slightly different route. As my old flight instructor would teach...we want to go here...how you want to get there?
Saying you want more than other fans that don't share the same views on using the portal is ludicrous.
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 02:48:07 PMstatus quo Marquette?...or take a chance, adapt, do things differently Marquette? Might fail. Might win big.
As of today, no need to fix what isn't broken.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 25, 2025, 04:31:48 PMSaying you want more than other fans that don't share the same views on using the portal is ludicrous.
Just another day.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 03:08:48 PMNo - the point is Marquette should never be on the same recruiting level as Boise state.
What a terrible example
Boise State recruits a kid with no other offers who becomes a high D-1 quality player but you wouldn't want him because all the high major schools missed on him. Similarly, if Shaka recruits a player without other high major offers who becomes a high level D-1 player, you don't want him. I sure can see why my example is terrible and your Lloyd Christmas logic is rock solid.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 05:05:24 PMBoise State recruits a kid with no other offers who becomes a high D-1 quality player but you wouldn't want him because all the high major schools missed on him. Similarly, if Shaka recruits a player without other high major offers who becomes a high level D-1 player, you don't want him. I sure can see why my example is terrible and your Lloyd Christmas logic is rock solid.
I'm not sure if I'm completely missing your point but here we are -
Marquette should never be in the same recruiting pool as Boise state. It's great they found an unbanked recruit and he turned into an nba prospect. Those types of players 1. Don't grow on trees and 2. Are rarely/if ever ready to contribute at a level above what the Mwc is.
Marquette earned a 2 seed to of the last three seasons. Without looking, I would guess the best seed Boise received in the last 10 years is an 8 seed. Boise isn't in the same stratosphere as Marquette.
They can afford to take risks on unheralded players. If Marquette wants to maintain their stature built in the last five seasons, they cannot afford to take those risks.
Great for Boise that it turned out for degenhart and he stayed for all four years. For every degenhart there are 10 Caedin hamilton's and Keeyan's. The juice isn't worth the squeeze when there are present roster needs to stay competitive.
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:12:56 PMactually, Panda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March. Tower, apparently yourself, and others, seem fine flying from point A to point B as is. Panda, myself and others, want more, and feel more can be done, are not sure why some players that would appear to be mediocre at best were recruited here, see how the game...and the recruiting dynamic has changed, and prefer MU plot a slightly different route. As my old flight instructor would teach...we want to go here...how you want to get there?
Thanks viper - it's always good to have another level headed thoughtful Marquette fan in my corner.
I must be taking crazy pills here. There's people hurling unnecessary insults, pedants pedanting and some guy asking why we can't recruit the same type of players as Boise state.
All I want is for a couple experienced roster pieces to maintain the level of expectation Shaka has built over the last few years.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 06:26:07 PMThanks viper - it's always good to have another level headed thoughtful Marquette fan in my corner.
Yes...that's it.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 06:32:49 PMThere's people hurling unnecessary insults
Agree. Some Scoopers claiming they want to win more than other Scoopers do - with some even suggesting they want to win more than Shaka does - is pretty damn insulting and unnecessary.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 06:32:49 PMAll I want is for a couple experienced roster pieces to maintain the level of expectation Shaka has built over the last few years.
How did Shaka build these successful rosters over the last few years?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 25, 2025, 01:33:56 PMRe: NIL Money - Post # 208
Fieldhouse Flyer - what I really want to know is what your opinions are regarding the portal system and whether or not Shaka made a mistake by not taking any transfers in to improve the team. Please post in the 2025 Transfer Portal thread. Thanks!
My considered opinion is that the portal system, in its present unlimited incarnation, sucks more than anything else in college basketball. I also believe that Shaka made a very serious mistake by not taking any transfers to improve the team. To wit:
The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
QuoteThere are at least 8 teams that will have a $10,000,000+ roster in college basketball next season, per @247Sports sources. Eight will prove to be too thin a crowd for college basketball's $10 million club. Based on a variety of sources, schools believed to be operating in the realm of this golden tier are:
Arkansas
BYU
Duke
Indiana
Kentucky
Louisville
Michigan
North Carolina
St. John's
Texas Tech
These programs either have $10 million committed already or are easily capable of reaching that total in roster-building efforts by the end of this year's transfer cycle. They are 2025's whales of the portal, loading up on most of the priciest players and drastically inflating the market in the process.
There's another group of schools a rung below this. Don't cry for these guys, as they're still hitting at least a hearty $8 million if required. This includes (but is not exclusive to) Auburn, Connecticut, Florida, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Miami, Purdue, Tennessee, Texas, UCLA, USC, Villanova, and Virginia
2025 Transfer Basketball Team Rankings (https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferteamrankings/) – CBS / 247Sports – updated Friday April 25, 2025
Quote1. St. John's
8. Creighton
23. Providence
25. Georgetown
28. Xavier
37. UConn
39. Butler
53. Villanova
77. Seton Hall
83. DePaul
Ten of the eleven Big East teams have improved their rosters through portal acquisitions. Unfortunately, Shaka is the odd man out, which may come back to bite Marquette next season.
MARQUETTE GOLDEN EAGLES 5-YEAR ROSTER (https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/marquette) – Verbal Commits
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 25, 2025, 08:07:37 PMMy considered opinion is that the portal system, in its present unlimited incarnation, sucks more than anything else in college basketball. I also believe that Shaka made a very serious mistake by not taking any transfers to improve the team. To wit:
The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
2025 Transfer Basketball Team Rankings (https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferteamrankings/) – CBS / 247Sports – updated Friday April 25, 2025
Ten of the eleven Big East teams have improved their rosters through portal acquisitions. Unfortunately, Shaka is the odd man out, which may come back to bite Marquette next season.
MARQUETTE GOLDEN EAGLES 5-YEAR ROSTER (https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/marquette) – Verbal Commits
Dayton sucks
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 25, 2025, 08:01:17 PMHow did Shaka build these successful rosters over the last few years?
Steve Dub.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 25, 2025, 08:01:17 PMHow did Shaka build these successful rosters over the last few years?
Transfers
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 06:25:22 PMI'm not sure if I'm completely missing your point but here we are -
Marquette should never be in the same recruiting pool as Boise state. It's great they found an unbanked recruit and he turned into an nba prospect. Those types of players 1. Don't grow on trees and 2. Are rarely/if ever ready to contribute at a level above what the Mwc is.
Marquette earned a 2 seed to of the last three seasons. Without looking, I would guess the best seed Boise received in the last 10 years is an 8 seed. Boise isn't in the same stratosphere as Marquette.
They can afford to take risks on unheralded players. If Marquette wants to maintain their stature built in the last five seasons, they cannot afford to take those risks.
Great for Boise that it turned out for degenhart and he stayed for all four years. For every degenhart there are 10 Caedin hamilton's and Keeyan's. The juice isn't worth the squeeze when there are present roster needs to stay competitive.
The issue is whether Shaka can assess talent and assess the trajectory of talent. You're effectively saying he can't. You need the confirmation of another high major coach extending an offer to believe that Shaka's assessment is correct. If Shaka recruited the kid who went to Boise state and he turned into an All BE player, you'd be upset because the kid didn't have other offers. You ignore that other high major coaches regularly make mistakes in recruiting. Bo Ryan and Dick Bennett often recruited relatively unheralded players and had programs that were better than MU's. Bill Colfield recruited all sorts of guys with lots of high major offers and he wasn't nearly as successful as Bennett or Ryan. In any event, you should just follow another team that lives in the portal. MU doesn't so you won't be happy.
BTW, how much did you give to MU's NIL fund? Just wanted to get a handle on the depth of your convictions.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 08:12:29 PMTransfers
Where did Kam transfer from?
Jop? Stevie? Oso?
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 25, 2025, 08:07:37 PMMy considered opinion is that the portal system, in its present unlimited incarnation, sucks more than anything else in college basketball. I also believe that Shaka made a very serious mistake by not taking any transfers to improve the team. To wit:
The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
2025 Transfer Basketball Team Rankings (https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferteamrankings/) – CBS / 247Sports – updated Friday April 25, 2025
Ten of the eleven Big East teams have improved their rosters through portal acquisitions. Unfortunately, Shaka is the odd man out, which may come back to bite Marquette next season.
MARQUETTE GOLDEN EAGLES 5-YEAR ROSTER (https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/marquette) – Verbal Commits
Nobody cares. You should worry more about Dayton missing the Tournament.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 08:39:20 PMThe issue is whether Shaka can assess talent and assess the trajectory of talent. You're effectively saying he can't. You need the confirmation of another high major coach extending an offer to believe that Shaka's assessment is correct. If Shaka recruited the kid who went to Boise state and he turned into an All BE player, you'd be upset because the kid didn't have other offers. You ignore that other high major coaches regularly make mistakes in recruiting. Bo Ryan and Dick Bennett often recruited relatively unheralded players and had programs that were better than MU's. Bill Colfield recruited all sorts of guys with lots of high major offers and he wasn't nearly as successful as Bennett or Ryan. In any event, you should just follow another team that lives in the portal. MU doesn't so you won't be happy.
BTW, how much did you give to MU's NIL fund? Just wanted to get a handle on the depth of your convictions.
Should Marquette recruit from the same pool as Boise state?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 09:13:00 PMShould Marquette recruit from the same pool as Boise state?
But you want us to hit the portal for guys that we are way above recruiting in the same pool as the schools they're at.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 08:39:20 PMIn any event, you should just follow another team that lives in the portal. MU doesn't so you won't be happy.
BTW, how much did you give to MU's NIL fund? Just wanted to get a handle on the depth of your convictions.
Waiting to see if there is a response to your suggestion and question.
I saw 5 unread pages in this thread and I thought to myself "wow there must've been a lot of activity/movement today in the portal"
.... Then I read a bunch of stuff about Boise St
Caedin is a unique case. He was originally a 2024 recruit and was a late bloomer. He was a 3-star in the 2024 class. When players reclassify in the middle of the summer, recruiting services often don't update their profiles with where they rank in their new class. That's how Caedin became a 0-star. According to Ben Steele, Caedin had official visit offers from Gonzaga and Colorado. According to Caedin's high school coach, he was getting recruited by several Big 10 and PAC 12 (RIP) programs.
I don't know if Caedin will ever become a high-major player. I do believe he has high major passing ability for a big. I think he could become a decent rebounder and shot blocker. But that offense is...woof. He can draw fouls, but not much else.
I'm certainly not against the transfer portal. But I don't think having Caedin Hamilton on the roster has much to do with the transfer portal.
I'm okay with not being in the portal this season. Current reports are that 2,320 players have entered the portal. That's a new record from last season's reported 2,083. It's a new record despite an abnormally large senior class exhausting his eligibility due to this being (mostly) the last year of the COVID years (And to keep JayBee from pointing it out some of the record 2,320 are seniors who have exhausted their eligibility and are hoping for a waiver to be allowed a 9th year or whatever we're up to now). This means that a ton of teams have a lot of holes to fill, but there are fewer quality players in the portal because most of those COVID seniors are gone. To illustrate this point, Al Amadou is currently tied as the 353rd best transfer according to 247. Isaiah Abraham who barely played at UConn is tied for 293rd. These rankings aren't perfect of course, but it shows that there are likely only maybe 200ish high-major ready players in the portal right now. So, 75ish high-major and top mid-major teams are competing for 200ish high-major ready transfers. And most of those teams are hoping for three or more. Hell, Indiana, UCF, Iowa, Maryland, and Xavier have already combined for 42 transfers between the five of them.
This creates a basic supply and demand issue. High-major teams need more transfers than ever before, but there are fewer high-major-ready transfers available. This is going to result in non-high-major players demanding high-major levels of compensation and high-major teams relying on non-high major players for significant minutes.
The transfer market is nuts right now. I think it will get settled in the next few seasons.
The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
QuoteThere are at least 8 teams that will have a $10,000,000+ roster in college basketball next season, per @247Sports sources.
Arkansas
BYU
Duke
Indiana
Kentucky
Louisville
Michigan
North Carolina
St. John's
Texas Tech
These programs either have $10 million committed already or are easily capable of reaching that total in roster-building efforts by the end of this year's transfer cycle. They are 2025's whales of the portal, loading up on most of the priciest players and drastically inflating the market in the process.
There's another group of schools hitting at least a hearty $8 million if required. This includes Auburn, Connecticut, Florida, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Miami, Purdue, Tennessee, Texas, UCLA, USC, Villanova, and Virginia
College basketball rankings: Transfer class fuels St. John's rise to No. 2 (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-transfer-class-fuels-st-johns-rise-to-no-2-as-unc-falls-from-top-25-and-1/) - Gary Parrish, CBS Sports - April 24, 2025
Quote2. St. John's
This ranking is based on the Red Storm returning one of the top two scorers -- specifically Zuby Ejiofor -- from a team that finished 31-5 and advanced to the second round of the 2025 NCAA Tournament. That core will be joined by a recruiting class highlighted by North Carolina transfer Ian Jackson, Providence transfer Bryce Hopkins, Arizona State transfer Joson Sanon, Cincinnati transfer Dillon Mitchell, Stanford transfer Oziyah Sellers and international prospect Imran Suljanovic.
4. UConn
This ranking is based on the Huskies returning four of the top seven scorers -- specifically Solo Ball, Alex Karaban, Tarris Reed and Jaylin Stewart -- from a team that finished 24-11 and advanced to the second round of the 2025 NCAA Tournament. That core will be joined by a recruiting class highlighted by Georgia transfer Silas Demary Jr., Dayton transfer Malachi Smith, five-star freshman Braylon Mullins and four-star freshman Eric Reibe.
Big money buys good players.
It always has. Right now, big money is buying mediocre players. I think the pieces to be successful are already on the MU roster.
Thank you, TAMU, for the reminder about Hamilton's high school rank, suitors, and that Shaka swooped in and talked him out of a year at prep school.
Thank you for the perspective on talent available in the portal. Amadou is ranked in the top 20%. Would he have seen the floor next season?
If Josh Clark had gone to Sam Houston State, averaged 7/5, and entered the portal, would MU be able to win a bidding war to get him?
How about Royce? Ben?
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 26, 2025, 05:44:24 AMThe $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
College basketball rankings: Transfer class fuels St. John's rise to No. 2 (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-transfer-class-fuels-st-johns-rise-to-no-2-as-unc-falls-from-top-25-and-1/) - Gary Parrish, CBS Sports - April 24, 2025
Big money buys good players.
Dayton sucks
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 25, 2025, 08:53:56 PMWhere did Kam transfer from?
Jop? Stevie? Oso?
Mostly Wojo.
Omax, Kolek, Morsell?
Quote from: DoctorV on April 25, 2025, 11:27:24 PMI saw 5 unread pages in this thread and I thought to myself "wow there must've been a lot of activity/movement today in the portal"
.... Then I read a bunch of stuff about Boise St
No suggestions of who Marquette should target or should have targeted in this portal cycle
Quote from: tower912 on April 26, 2025, 07:33:17 AMThank you, TAMU, for the reminder about Hamilton's high school rank, suitors, and that Shaka swooped in and talked him out of a year at prep school.
Thank you for the perspective on talent available in the portal. Amadou is ranked in the top 20%. Would he have seen the floor next season?
If Josh Clark had gone to Sam Houston State, averaged 7/5, and entered the portal, would MU be able to win a bidding war to get him?
How about Royce? Ben?
Shaka wouldn't have tried to get Josh if he would have gone to SH state, he would've just recruited a different project big.
Royce nope, he would have fetched a lot if he entered the portal this off season.
That's the best part of Shaka's system- quality players have been sticking around year in and year out.
The Parham/Owens combo recruitment is probably going to be one of the most important in Shaka's tenure at Marquette.
It would be really great if both of those guys became very good BE players because we likely get 3 more seasons of them.
As for Clark/Hamilton- the way I look at that is that if 1 of those 2 becomes a starting level BE player- Ben Gold quality or better- then it's fine if the other is a solid role player backup 5 for a few seasons. Completely different body types and uses at that position and both will be needed at different times if serviceable.
My money would be on Clark becoming a BE quality starter and Caedin a solid backup giving 10-12mpg.
If neither reach that Ben Gold type level then whoops, hopefully Sheek comes aboard?
Is he more of a 4 or a 5?
Now, if Clark becomes an Oso type quality player then Shaka will be cooking.
I really hope Clark can figure out defensive positioning/not getting lost and not fouling because his length can really play in Shaka's system
I see the long term floors of Clark and Hamilton as Burke and Ooze. I think both have higher ceilings than their respective comps.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2025, 08:03:20 AMNo suggestions of who Marquette should target or should have targeted in this portal cycle
Not from me. I've found comfort in the idea that I won't hear any Marquette portal news, and if I do it'll be a pleasant surprise.
I just more-so wonder who Rick and guys like Rick are picking up for next year, because it's a long offseason
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2025, 08:03:20 AMNo suggestions of who Marquette should target or should have targeted in this portal cycle
Just whining from the typical chicken-littles.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 26, 2025, 08:09:35 AMJust whining from the typical chicken-littles.
I don't disagree with the general point. It's fine to augment the roster with the portal but Marquette isn't going from Shaka's creed, for better or worse. He isn't portaling over players.
That also means he isn't going to get top transfers. Those guys want the bag and minutes. Until players start portaling out, people will just have to stamp their feet.
If you want to see massive roster overhaul, you might as well cheer for this year to be a colossal failure and force a reevaluation.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 26, 2025, 05:44:24 AMThe $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
College basketball rankings: Transfer class fuels St. John's rise to No. 2 (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-transfer-class-fuels-st-johns-rise-to-no-2-as-unc-falls-from-top-25-and-1/) - Gary Parrish, CBS Sports - April 24, 2025
Big money buys good players.
you donating the exta 3 million dollars they waste getting Aidan Mahaney and Joson Sanon who don't defender at all?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 07:55:54 AMMostly Wojo.
Omax, Kolek, Morsell?
Year 1 to field a team......not Shaka's long term approach obviously. Its not that hard to understand really.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 25, 2025, 01:20:59 PMNIL is a slow motion train wreck that will likely look different several years from now. It is not a sustainable model and will probably be modified.
I am not concerned where MU is nationally in 2 or 3 years. The administration is fully supportive of the program and we are hardly alone. The hand wringing over using the portal(or not) is ridiculous.
I trust Shaka and Broker know what they are doing. They are making the best decisions with what we have as a program.
It has nothing to do with the portal. The question is will Marquette have the financial resources to compensate our athletes at the same level as other high major programs. No one knows the answer to that as of now, not even our AD.
I did a little research last night that really surprised me and I'm not saying my research is 100% accurate.
At this point, the three Big East players with the most career games entering 2025-26 are Alex Karaban (111), Ben Gold (107) and Chase Ross (102). Josh Dix, who is transferring to Creighton from Iowa has (97). Karaban is deciding whether he is coming back as he redshirted as a freshman.
Last year the Big East had a number of players who were 23, 24 and 25 years old who ended up playing 140-169 career games. Diarra (169), Kalkbrenner (169), Ashworth (167) were the top 3. Karaban could approach 150 if he comes back.
What I'm alluding to is that 2024-25 was a different animal with experience and physical maturity. Marquette will now be on par with almost every school in the Big East next year with age and experience.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 26, 2025, 08:40:15 AMYear 1 to field a team......not Shaka's long term approach obviously. Its not that hard to understand really.
Care to address Kolek and omax?
Seems like two consecutive 2 seeds is just a minor detail to overlook.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 09:01:20 AMCare to address Kolek and omax?
Seems like two consecutive 2 seeds is just a minor detail to overlook.
I already did.......shaka needed players to field a team and he went and got these two.
As you have seen, he has not and apparently is not going out and looking for transfers who just completed their freshman year of bball. You can keep shouting from the mountaintops that this is the only way to do it.......Shaka believes otherwise.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 26, 2025, 09:12:20 AMI already did.......shaka needed players to field a team and he went and got these two.
As you have seen, he has not and apparently is not going out and looking for transfers who just completed their freshman year of bball. You can keep shouting from the mountaintops that this is the only way to do it.......Shaka believes otherwise.
That's a very odd way of glossing over a very successful span of Marquette history.
Hey - I'll use your logic with this team. Shaka just needs a big to field a team, he went and got one and it significantly raised the ceiling of this team.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 09:32:17 AMThat's a very odd way of glossing over a very successful span of Marquette history.
Hey - I'll use your logic with this team. Shaka just needs a big to field a team, he went and got one and it significantly raised the ceiling of this team.
Since we haven't seen Clark play one minute....unlike you I will reserve judgment on if the kid can contribute over the next several years. Writing him off before he steps on the court....now that is odd.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 25, 2025, 03:44:19 PMSo does everyone here dumbass.
seriously? Harsh...and probably not something you'd say in person. I'm cool with disagreement, but not that.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 26, 2025, 08:56:33 AMIt has nothing to do with the portal. The question is will Marquette have the financial resources to compensate our athletes at the same level as other high major programs. No one knows the answer to that as of now, not even our AD.
what do you think is causing the issue??? The portal
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 25, 2025, 04:33:07 PMAs of today, no need to fix what isn't broken.
so, last season was ok? Pick up this fall where things left off? 🤔
Quote from: tower912 on April 25, 2025, 04:41:59 PMJust another day.
...in your world of participation trophy mediocrity
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 25, 2025, 08:01:17 PMHow did Shaka build these successful rosters over the last few years?
2024-25 season a team success? Won +20. Made the ncaa tourney...so all good?
Quote from: MU82 on April 25, 2025, 07:18:42 PMAgree. Some Scoopers claiming they want to win more than other Scoopers do - with some even suggesting they want to win more than Shaka does - is pretty damn insulting and unnecessary.
your acceptance of 'what is' is insulting.
Quote from: Viper on April 26, 2025, 10:02:49 AM2024-25 season a team success? Won +20. Made the ncaa tourney...so all good?
Nope....wholesale changes are the only answer.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 26, 2025, 09:47:53 AMSince we haven't seen Clark play one minute....unlike you I will reserve judgment on if the kid can contribute over the next several years. Writing him off before he steps on the court....now that is odd.
The fact he couldn't help with out front line situation as it was this year tells me all I need to know about him.
Nigel James is going to be a stud and I expect him to push and ultimately start over Sean. We're still missing that piece in the middle to match up with zuby, Reed, freeman/mcandrew, sorber etc.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 10:09:03 AMThe fact he couldn't help with out front line situation as it was this year tells me all I need to know about him.
Nigel James is going to be a stud and I expect him to push and ultimately start over Sean. We're still missing that piece in the middle to match up with zuby, Reed, freeman/mcandrew, sorber etc.
Sean is transferring.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 09:13:00 PMShould Marquette recruit from the same pool as Boise state?
If MU gets good players, guys that develop into good players, and wins, why should I care? MU was in the doldrums when Shaka arrived. Since he's arrived, they've won the BE and the BE tournament, finished in the top half of the BE every season, made the NCAA every year, and made a Sweet 16. I see little evidence that Shaka cannot identify and develop talent. Like every team in the country, they could have better players at some position. News flash: Every team has weaknesses whether they use the portal or not.
Quote from: Viper on April 26, 2025, 09:59:17 AM...in your world of participation trophy mediocrity
lol
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 26, 2025, 10:11:07 AMSean is transferring.
Sweet response. Can't handle the debate so you default to the lowest common dominator insult. Very telling...
Easily one of worst threads in recent scoop memory, and there's been no shortage of contenders.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 10:23:25 AMSweet response. Can't handle the debate so you default to the lowest common dominator insult. Very telling...
1. Sean is transferring.
2. Nigel James will start at PG.
3. Josh Clark is a bust because he didn't play during his redshirt year.
You are on a roll.
Quote from: Viper on April 26, 2025, 09:54:10 AMseriously? Harsh...and probably not something you'd say in person. I'm cool with disagreement, but not that.
I don't care.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 26, 2025, 10:38:35 AM1. Sean is transferring.
2. Nigel James will start at PG.
3. Josh Clark is a bust because he didn't play during his redshirt year.
You are on a roll.
Doubling down on the lowest common dominator insults I see...
1 I chose to share a tidbit which was true. Query - do people change their minds or is everything set in stone?
2 James is an incredible talent playing against a very high level of competition (higher probability of predicable success @zogster) He will push Sean every step of the way and I'm predicting he will ultimately start/play more minutes than Sean next year. Competition breeds success.
3 if a big on the roster couldn't help the team last year, I don't see how they could possibly ever contribute. Personal opinion that isn't very controversial.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 26, 2025, 10:15:09 AMIf MU gets good players, guys that develop into good players, and wins, why should I care? MU was in the doldrums when Shaka arrived. Since he's arrived, they've won the BE and the BE tournament, finished in the top half of the BE every season, made the NCAA every year, and made a Sweet 16. I see little evidence that Shaka cannot identify and develop talent. Like every team in the country, they could have better players at some position. News flash: Every team has weaknesses whether they use the portal or not.
The probability of hitting on unranked recruits is astronomically low.
The probability of hitting on higher ranked recruits is much higher.
Not rocket science.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 26, 2025, 09:56:29 AMwhat do you think is causing the issue??? The portal
It is also the court decision on player compensation and revenue sharing that is also a factor. Sure, the portal, NIL they're all factors. The portal is just another word for free agency which the players now have. Will MU have the resources, be it from revenue sharing or NIL to keep players from going elsewhere if we're not going to acquire "free agents" or even recruit highly talented HS players who are looking for that pay.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 26, 2025, 10:15:09 AMIf MU gets good players, guys that develop into good players, and wins, why should I care? MU was in the doldrums when Shaka arrived. Since he's arrived, they've won the BE and the BE tournament, finished in the top half of the BE every season, made the NCAA every year, and made a Sweet 16. I see little evidence that Shaka cannot identify and develop talent. Like every team in the country, they could have better players at some position. News flash: Every team has weaknesses whether they use the portal or not.
The issue isn't whether Shaka can identify and develop talent.
It's the fact that his stated approach to NIL eliminates him from competing for recruits in three talent-rich pools.
First, in the post-NIL era, top-ranked HS players rightly expect an NIL package. Shaka's public statements on the topic state that if a player has that expectation, he won't recruit that player. That leaves us out of the running for players at the talent level of guys like Liam McNeely, Jackson McAndrew, or Kon Kneuppel.
Second, couple NIL with the immediate eligibility of transfers, and there is now a strong pool of late-bloomers that don't get high major offers out of HS, but after a year or two emerge with solid high-major potential. And there is a market rate for these players as well, and because those players expect NIL at market rates, they're off the table for Shaka. Ironically, guys like Kolek and Prosper would fall into this category today.
Third, you have the transfers from high major programs that are going through a coaching change. For better or worse, the sport is 100% invested in the notion that players sign with the coach, not the school, and if the coach leaves it's just expected that the roster will jump en masse to the portal. Obviously, once again there is a market price for these players, taking them out of consideration for MU.
The only pool Shaka can recruit if he sticks with his "no NIL for newcomers" approach is the borderline top 100 who aren't quite good enough to command an NIL package, but where an MU offer is likely the best they'll see.
The situation is no different than other self-imposed restrictions that MU placed on itself in the past--no prop 48s, no players from academically suspect programs, no JUCOs (or only 1 at a time), etc. When you take away a potential pool of talent, you remove one of the tools that can be used to succeed.
That's not to say that Shaka can't develop players or doesn't know what he's doing. It's the observation that when you limit the talent pool, you self-limit your potential for success.
Nobody's saying that Shaka has to go full Pitino and buy the best players on the market every year. But when we see teams like Creighton and UConn and Xavier succeed by blending a mix of top-ranked recruits, lower rated development players, and transfers, it's only natural to wonder whether they have a better approach.
If you start with a belief that Shaka is a better coach and developer of talent than McDermott or Hurley--which I think most here believe--the only rational explanation as to how those teams finished ahead of MU in the standings is a difference in talent.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 10:59:19 AMDoubling down on the lowest common dominator insults I see...
1 I chose to share a tidbit which was true. Query - do people change their minds or is everything set in stone?
2 James is an incredible talent playing against a very high level of competition (higher probability of predicable success @zogster) He will push Sean every step of the way and I'm predicting he will ultimately start/play more minutes than Sean next year. Competition breeds success.
3 if a big on the roster couldn't help the team last year, I don't see how they could possibly ever contribute. Personal opinion that isn't very controversial.
I have a feeling Nigel will be the next MU great.
Clark is 7'1 which is great. MU will need him to get up to speed quickly. Hamilton doesn't appear to have much to offer anytime soon with that we saw this past season. If one pans out and is a solid contributor I will be pleased. If I had to guess it would be clark just because of his height.
I really like Shaka; he seems like a great guy, and I'm happy to have him as the coach for many reasons. I'm still surprised he has yet to bring one higher profile big man recruit to MU.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 11:06:26 AMThe issue isn't whether Shaka can identify and develop talent.
It's the fact that his stated approach to NIL eliminates him from competing for recruits in three talent-rich pools.
First, in the post-NIL era, top-ranked HS players rightly expect an NIL package. Shaka's public statements on the topic state that if a player has that expectation, he won't recruit that player. That leaves us out of the running for players at the talent level of guys like Liam McNeely, Jackson McAndrew, or Kon Kneuppel.
Second, couple NIL with the immediate eligibility of transfers, and there is now a strong pool of late-bloomers that don't get high major offers out of HS, but after a year or two emerge with solid high-major potential. And there is a market rate for these players as well, and because those players expect NIL at market rates, they're off the table for Shaka. Ironically, guys like Kolek and Prosper would fall into this category today.
Third, you have the transfers from high major programs that are going through a coaching change. For better or worse, the sport is 100% invested in the notion that players sign with the coach, not the school, and if the coach leaves it's just expected that the roster will jump en masse to the portal. Obviously, once again there is a market price for these players, taking them out of consideration for MU.
The only pool Shaka can recruit if he sticks with his "no NIL for newcomers" approach is the borderline top 100 who aren't quite good enough to command an NIL package, but where an MU offer is likely the best they'll see.
The situation is no different than other self-imposed restrictions that MU placed on itself in the past--no prop 48s, no players from academically suspect programs, no JUCOs (or only 1 at a time), etc. When you take away a potential pool of talent, you remove one of the tools that can be used to succeed.
That's not to say that Shaka can't develop players or doesn't know what he's doing. It's the observation that when you limit the talent pool, you self-limit your potential for success.
Nobody's saying that Shaka has to go full Pitino and buy the best players on the market every year. But when we see teams like Creighton and UConn and Xavier succeed by blending a mix of top-ranked recruits, lower rated development players, and transfers, it's only natural to wonder whether they have a better approach.
If you start with a belief that Shaka is a better coach and developer of talent than McDermott or Hurley--which I think most here believe--the only rational explanation as to how those teams finished ahead of MU in the standings is a difference in talent.
Very well said. My exact thoughts. Shaka has been adamant he is not interested in prioritizing portal players with NIL over recruits. So there goes all the potential to supplement a roster with additional talent. It doesn't mean go out and replace 3 out of your 5 starters every year. It means keeping the door open and having a willingness to pay when the situation is right and maintains the relationships he prides himself on.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 26, 2025, 11:13:17 AMVery well said. My exact thoughts. Shaka has been adamant he is not interested in prioritizing portal players with NIL over recruits. So there goes all the potential to supplement a roster with additional talent. It doesn't mean go out and replace 3 out of your 5 starters every year. It means keeping the door open and having a willingness to pay when the situation is right and maintains the relationships he prides himself on.
...or the capability to pay.
I think the portal is a tool. If Shaka had utilized it extensively to win 98 games in 4 seasons, I would be exactly as satisfied with the results as I am right now. If Shaka signed a player from the portal this season, I would welcome that player to MU, like I did transfers of all kinds previously. And I would root for them to be successful and for MU to win. Just as I have for every player and coach at MU.
I think TAMU and Ted Baxter point out some fascinating things about experience and the relative depth of talent in the portal. I also look at the reported dollar amounts and don't care whether JB thinks they are accurate or not.
If there are mass departures, I assume Shaka will use the portal. Until that day, I assume he will stay with his philosophy.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 26, 2025, 11:20:56 AM...or the capability to pay.
With the economy cratering, that might help Marquette with NIL if no one can afford players
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 10:59:44 AMThe probability of hitting on unranked recruits is astronomically low.
The probability of hitting on higher ranked recruits is much higher.
Not rocket science.
I wouldn't dream of accusing you of expounding on rocket science. A rocket that flies as randomly as your comments would be dangerous.
You're arguing that Shaka should never have signed Clark or Hamilton because neither had other high major offers. You claimed that, in 2025, those type of players will never become high major players. When I pointed out, after ten seconds of looking, that Boise State had such a player, then you said, no matter how good the player was, you apparently wouldn't want him because his only offer was from Boise State. I've no idea where the unranked player argument comes from because Shaka only has two on the roster.
I'll let you argue with yourself from this point forward. Enjoy being a dissatisfied MU fan. Lloyd, I hope you have a nice weekend.
Quote from: Viper on April 26, 2025, 09:56:55 AMso, last season was ok? Pick up this fall where things left off? 🤔
Yes, after two consecutive 2 seeds and graduating two all-timers to the NBA I have no issue with a season where Marquette was in the top 25 almost the entire season and comfortably in the tourney as a 7 seed.
Anyone expecting a protected seed every season is delusional - there are going to be ebbs and flows. That's even true for blue bloods.
And as I've said multiple times before, if this season is a small step back but contributes to steps forward the following seasons I'm good with that as well.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 26, 2025, 11:49:35 AMI wouldn't dream of accusing you of expounding on rocket science. A rocket that flies as randomly as your comments would be dangerous.
You're arguing that Shaka should never have signed Clark or Hamilton because neither had other high major offers. You claimed that, in 2025, those type of players will never become high major players. When I pointed out, after ten seconds of looking, that Boise State had such a player, then you said, no matter how good the player was, you apparently wouldn't want him because his only offer was from Boise State. I've no idea where the unranked player argument comes from because Shaka only has two on the roster.
I'll let you argue with yourself from this point forward. Enjoy being a dissatisfied MU fan. Lloyd, I hope you have a nice weekend.
Ahhh herein lies the problem. Maybe next time come correct and spend more than two seconds to think of a point and it will make much more sense rather than crafting one of the worst takes scoop has ever seen.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 26, 2025, 11:20:56 AM...or the capability to pay.
This is ridiculous. Of course MU has the capability to pay.
Shaka is telling recruits (and everyone that will listen) that he
won't pay them--not that he can't afford to pay them. And, keep in mind, that at the same time he says he won't pay newcomers, he claims to have plenty of money for retention.
We don't need to have Kansas or Kentucky-sized war chest. We should be competitive with the Xaviers and Creightons of the world.
He has not said anything of the sort. He said you don't need an agent because you are going to get paid the same. Not that they won't get paid, that he won't negotiate.
Why are Xavier and Creighton being brought up as examples of success? Id take our last 3 years over either of theor last 3 years.
It's all pretty similar for the three programs. Creighton has the edge with post-season success for sure. MU a little more during the regular season.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 26, 2025, 03:40:29 PMIt's all pretty similar for the three programs. Creighton has the edge with post-season success for sure. MU a little more during the regular season.
Not really. Xavier didn't make the tournament one of those years and I would take a BE and BET title any day over an E8.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 03:01:18 PMThis is ridiculous. Of course MU has the capability to pay.
Shaka is telling recruits (and everyone that will listen) that he won't pay them--not that he can't afford to pay them. And, keep in mind, that at the same time he says he won't pay newcomers, he claims to have plenty of money for retention.
We don't need to have Kansas or Kentucky-sized war chest. We should be competitive with the Xaviers and Creightons of the world.
Are you sure about that? I am not sure our AD thinks that.
Quote from: tower912 on April 26, 2025, 03:03:27 PMHe has said anything of the sort. He said you don't need an agent because you are going to get paid the same. Not that they won't get paid, that he won't negotiate.
Perhaps we won't negotiate because the money is not there or is it not negotiating at all or just with an agent? Will Shaka give up on a recruit because they are asking too much even without an agent because that recruit is being offered more from another school? With the court ruling on revenue sharing that is the world of college basketball that we are entering and as our AD admitted these are uncharted waters and MU
MAY not be able to compete.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 26, 2025, 03:44:04 PMNot really. Xavier didn't make the tournament one of those years and I would take a BE and BET title any day over an E8.
MU and Creighton have very similar success over the last three years. I'd rather have the additional wins in the big dance, but I can understand the preference for either.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 26, 2025, 12:33:10 PMYes, after two consecutive 2 seeds and graduating two all-timers to the NBA I have no issue with a season where Marquette was in the top 25 almost the entire season and comfortably in the tourney as a 7 seed.
Anyone expecting a protected seed every season is delusional - there are going to be ebbs and flows. That's even true for blue bloods.
And as I've said multiple times before, if this season is a small step back but contributes to steps forward the following seasons I'm good with that as well.
👍
If any portal player in the entire country is a major contributor** to his program, I'll print out this comment and eat it.
(** "major contributor" is defined as averaging a triple-double)
Quote from: The Sultan on April 26, 2025, 08:09:35 AMJust whining from the typical chicken-littles.
I owe you one...don't be a dumbass, hey! Adapt. Adjust. Go for it. That's not chicken-little. Whining? That's the point of Scoop, yes?
Quote from: Viper on April 26, 2025, 04:20:10 PMI owe you one...don't be a dumbass, hey! Adapt. Adjust. Go for it. That's not chicken-little. Whining? That's the point of Scoop, yes?
For you obviously.
62 pages of recycled arguments.........with nobody's mind being changed.
Whining might be what you think scoop is for......many of us strive for a little higher level of discourse.
At least in the non game threads.
Ps I don't even mind the arguments.........but the endless back and forth is just tiresome.
ND still sucks.
Quote from: MuMark on April 26, 2025, 04:45:21 PM62 pages of recycled arguments.........with nobody's mind being changed.
Whining might be what you think scoop is for......many of us strive for a little higher level of discourse.
At least in the non game threads.
Ps I don't even mind the arguments.........but the endless back and forth is just tiresome.
I think back to the original post. Name your guy that you want in the portal. Haven't seen one in this thread in a LONG time.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 11:06:26 AMNobody's saying that Shaka has to go full Pitino and buy the best players on the market every year. But when we see teams like Creighton and UConn and Xavier succeed by blending a mix of top-ranked recruits, lower rated development players, and transfers, it's only natural to wonder whether they have a better approach.
If you start with a belief that Shaka is a better coach and developer of talent than McDermott or Hurley--which I think most here believe--the only rational explanation as to how those teams finished ahead of MU in the standings is a difference in talent.
We are using Xavier as proof that we need to take transfers? A team we've been unquestionably better than since Shaka arrived?
And "most here" believe that Shaka is a better coach than Hurley? Hurley is the best college basketball coach in the country. Who thinks Shaka is a better coach than him? Let alone "most here?"
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 26, 2025, 04:06:59 PMAre you sure about that? I am not sure our AD thinks that.
Yes I'm sure about that.
Do you really think that programs stop fundraising just because they have enough to get by?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 26, 2025, 06:25:43 PMYes I'm sure about that.
Do you really think that programs stop fundraising just because they have enough to get by?
He does
Like recruiting, fundraising never ends.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 11:06:26 AMThe issue isn't whether Shaka can identify and develop talent.
It's the fact that his stated approach to NIL eliminates him from competing for recruits in three talent-rich pools.
First, in the post-NIL era, top-ranked HS players rightly expect an NIL package. Shaka's public statements on the topic state that if a player has that expectation, he won't recruit that player. That leaves us out of the running for players at the talent level of guys like Liam McNeely, Jackson McAndrew, or Kon Kneuppel.
Second, couple NIL with the immediate eligibility of transfers, and there is now a strong pool of late-bloomers that don't get high major offers out of HS, but after a year or two emerge with solid high-major potential. And there is a market rate for these players as well, and because those players expect NIL at market rates, they're off the table for Shaka. Ironically, guys like Kolek and Prosper would fall into this category today.
Third, you have the transfers from high major programs that are going through a coaching change. For better or worse, the sport is 100% invested in the notion that players sign with the coach, not the school, and if the coach leaves it's just expected that the roster will jump en masse to the portal. Obviously, once again there is a market price for these players, taking them out of consideration for MU.
The only pool Shaka can recruit if he sticks with his "no NIL for newcomers" approach is the borderline top 100 who aren't quite good enough to command an NIL package, but where an MU offer is likely the best they'll see.
The situation is no different than other self-imposed restrictions that MU placed on itself in the past--no prop 48s, no players from academically suspect programs, no JUCOs (or only 1 at a time), etc. When you take away a potential pool of talent, you remove one of the tools that can be used to succeed.
That's not to say that Shaka can't develop players or doesn't know what he's doing. It's the observation that when you limit the talent pool, you self-limit your potential for success.
Nobody's saying that Shaka has to go full Pitino and buy the best players on the market every year. But when we see teams like Creighton and UConn and Xavier succeed by blending a mix of top-ranked recruits, lower rated development players, and transfers, it's only natural to wonder whether they have a better approach.
If you start with a belief that Shaka is a better coach and developer of talent than McDermott or Hurley--which I think most here believe--the only rational explanation as to how those teams finished ahead of MU in the standings is a difference in talent.
Feels like a fait amount of what you've written is just wrong.
-Marquette recruited and was in the running for Knueppel. I have no inside knowledge but from what I've gathered here the reason he chose Duke wasn't because of NIL.
-Your post makes it sound like freshman don't get an NIL package at Marquette. "No NIL for newcomers", to the best of my knowledge, is false. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the difference is Marquette won't pay an incoming 5 star freshman more than a returning sophomore, junior or senior. Sure, that will eliminate some options for Marquette but it hasn't stopped Shaka from successfully recruiting top 100 guys and I don't think it means we'll never be able to sign a top 50 guy.
-I find it amusing people keep mention OMax when talking about the portal. Most of the people who are upset that Shaka doesn't use the portal want guys that are going to contribute significantly right away. OMax transferred in after averaging under 3 PPG at Clemson and then averaged under 7 PPG his first season at Marquette. It feels like the portal posse would have been whining and wouldn't have had the patience for him to develop into an NBA player.
-As others have mentioned, you listing Creighton and Xavier of having great success because of the portal is absolutely bizarre when you compare those schools to Marquette.
-Also, I don't think anyone here thinks Shaka is a better coach or better developer of talent than Hurley.
Yeah, like a lot of things Equalizer posts about, this post leaps to a lot of incorrect conclusions. By everything that I have heard, Marquette was a close second to Duke and NIL was not the reason for his ultimate decision - it was just that Duke is Duke.
Hey, Rico, change the title on this grotesque abomination to 'Portal Combat', or 'Portal John'.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 26, 2025, 08:10:01 PMYeah, like a lot of things Equalizer posts about, this post leaps to a lot of incorrect conclusions. By everything that I have heard, Marquette was a close second to Duke and NIL was not the reason for his ultimate decision - it was just that Duke is Duke.
Bucky offered more money than Duke too. But like you said, Duke is Duke
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 26, 2025, 08:34:49 PMBucky offered more money than Duke too. But like you said, Duke is Duke
I was told Duke offered the most...and it was a 2 year contract. Guess I had that wrong!
Quote from: tower912 on April 26, 2025, 08:10:56 PMHey, Rico, change the title on this grotesque abomination to 'Portal Combat', or 'Portal John'.
Great work.
Portal Potty would also work
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 26, 2025, 08:34:49 PMBucky offered more money than Duke too. But like you said, Duke is Duke
Why cant it be Marquette is Marquette?
Quote from: willie warrior on April 27, 2025, 08:18:24 AMWhy cant it be Marquette is Marquette?
Because of the fans
Every time I see someone post about Liam McNeely, my mind jumps to Liam McMorrow, and I get confused, because we did successfully sign him.
Am I the only one?
Putting this here because we've both been outspoken (albeit sometimes sarcastic) participants in this thread ...
Got to sit down at a local brewery with PointWarrior yesterday. Enjoyed a lot of Marquette talk, as well as a couple of tasty brews. PW is not only a good guy but an honest one - he set up the meeting so he could pay off the bet we made. (I said we'd beat X in the BET; he said we wouldn't.)
Also liked meeting PW's brother ... despite him being a Weasel!
One of the fun parts of being in the Scoop community has been getting to meet several of y'all over the years. Looking forward to the next opportunity, whenever and wherever it might be!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 26, 2025, 03:32:28 PMWhy are Xavier and Creighton being brought up as examples of success? Id take our last 3 years over either of theor last 3 years.
The comment was intended to suggest that we can and should be competitive with their ability to fund an NIL program--not on court performance.
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2025, 10:15:10 AMPutting this here because we've both been outspoken (albeit sometimes sarcastic) participants in this thread ...
Got to sit down at a local brewery with PointWarrior yesterday. Enjoyed a lot of Marquette talk, as well as a couple of tasty brews. PW is not only a good guy but an honest one - he set up the meeting so he could pay off the bet we made. (I said we'd beat X in the BET; he said we wouldn't.)
Also liked meeting PW's brother ... despite him being a Weasel!
One of the fun parts of being in the Scoop community has been getting to meet several of y'all over the years. Looking forward to the next opportunity, whenever and wherever it might be!
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2025, 10:15:10 AMPutting this here because we've both been outspoken (albeit sometimes sarcastic) participants in this thread ...
Got to sit down at a local brewery with PointWarrior yesterday. Enjoyed a lot of Marquette talk, as well as a couple of tasty brews. PW is not only a good guy but an honest one - he set up the meeting so he could pay off the bet we made. (I said we'd beat X in the BET; he said we wouldn't.)
Also liked meeting PW's brother ... despite him being a Weasel!
One of the fun parts of being in the Scoop community has been getting to meet several of y'all over the years. Looking forward to the next opportunity, whenever and wherever it might be!
Yes, good beer, good company, good Marquette talk. MU82 left off that I had asked him to open the conversation with a "Greg Gard sucks" to take a shot at my brother who did not know I was meeting to pay up a beer bet to a fellow scooper. While he did not do that, it did not take long to take a few shots at the Badgers.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 28, 2025, 11:09:21 AMYes, good beer, good company, good Marquette talk. MU82 left off that I had asked him to open the conversation with a "Greg Gard sucks" to take a shot at my brother who did not know I was meeting to pay up a beer bet to a fellow scooper. While he did not do that, it did not take long to take a few shots at the Badgers.
Relating to the thread ...
Your brother quickly brought up how his Weasels are now rejecting their decades-long recruit/develop/retain philosophy ... while our Warriors, who for years brought in impact transfers and jucos, are now the college basketball face of the recruit/develop/retain model.
All for better or worse for both programs - time will tell!
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 28, 2025, 11:09:21 AMYes, good beer, good company, good Marquette talk. MU82 left off that I had asked him to open the conversation with a "Greg Gard sucks" to take a shot at my brother who did not know I was meeting to pay up a beer bet to a fellow scooper. While he did not do that, it did not take long to take a few shots at the Badgers.
You needed Rico to be there to open with "Greg Gard sucks". I hope your brother, being a weasel, didn't pull off the "I forgot my wallet" excuse when the final bill came.
Nice to read a post on this tread that is free of some of the "I'm
right! which means, you're
wrong!" BS from one clearly disturbed scooper in particular.
Getting back to the thread's subject- Shaka's system will probably play out over the next several years, even though there is no shortage of scoopers who have authoritatively mandated ;D that this coming season will determine whether or not it works.
FWIW, T-Rank has our talent ranked 4th in the conference for 2026. Also has our overall ranking at 4th as well.
https://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php?sort=tal&conlimit=BE
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 28, 2025, 11:58:11 AMYou needed Rico to be there to open with "Greg Gard sucks". I hope your brother, being a weasel, didn't pull off the "I forgot my wallet" excuse when the final bill came.
Nice to read a post on this tread that is free of some of the "I'm right! which means, you're wrong!" BS from one clearly disturbed scooper in particular.
Getting back to the thread's subject- Shaka's system will probably play out over the next several years, even though there is no shortage of scoopers who have authoritatively mandated ;D that this coming season will determine whether or not it works.
You do realize that pulling Muggsy into every single post you've ever made, even posts responding to posts that have absolutely zero to do with Muggsy, is just as bad/annoying as whatever you think it is that Muggsy does wrong, right?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 28, 2025, 12:06:56 PMYou do realize that pulling Muggsy into every single post you've ever made, even posts responding to posts that have absolutely zero to do with Muggsy, is just as bad/annoying as whatever you think it is that Muggsy does wrong, right?
Far from "every single post" I've ever made, but...fair enough otherwise.
I have been making a conscious effort recently to lay off of Muggsy quite a bit recently but I'm not completely there yet. Advocating for assassination and military adventures annoys me, to put it mildly. However, when someone lacks the ability to reign in those impulses? Yeah... it's probably best to keep my opinions mostly private. That does not mean I will not comment when I think appropriate though.
Quote from: Spencer Pratt on April 28, 2025, 12:05:35 PMFWIW, T-Rank has our talent ranked 4th in the conference for 2026. Also has our overall ranking at 4th as well.
https://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php?sort=tal&conlimit=BE
Interesting. Thanks for posting.
Torvik has us ahead of Creighton, which has gone heavily into the portal.
Made me look twice to see Georgetown at #3. Not sure I believe it ... and I definitely won't believe it if Sorber goes to the NBA. They went from OK to horrible after he got hurt last season.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 26, 2025, 06:25:43 PMYes I'm sure about that.
Do you really think that programs stop fundraising just because they have enough to get by?
The AD stated:
The growing presence of NIL and future revenue sharing agreements, the impact of the transfer portal, ongoing legal challenges, and the potential for future conference realignment all present both challenges and opportunities. These developments emphasize the need for us to continue investing in our programs to remain competitive...
The AD's letter did not instill confidence that they will have enough to get by in the future as things are unclear what revenue sharing, what the impact of free agency and legal challenges will have and where will that revenue come from. I hope all the optimism here pans out.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 28, 2025, 02:54:23 PMThe AD stated:
The growing presence of NIL and future revenue sharing agreements, the impact of the transfer portal, ongoing legal challenges, and the potential for future conference realignment all present both challenges and opportunities. These developments emphasize the need for us to continue investing in our programs to remain competitive...
The AD's letter did not instill confidence that they will have enough to get by in the future as things are unclear what revenue sharing, what the impact of free agency and legal challenges will have and where will that revenue come from. I hope all the optimism here pans out.
It won't
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 28, 2025, 02:54:23 PMThe AD stated:
The growing presence of NIL and future revenue sharing agreements, the impact of the transfer portal, ongoing legal challenges, and the potential for future conference realignment all present both challenges and opportunities. These developments emphasize the need for us to continue investing in our programs to remain competitive...
The AD's letter did not instill confidence that they will have enough to get by in the future as things are unclear what revenue sharing, what the impact of free agency and legal challenges will have and where will that revenue come from. I hope all the optimism here pans out.
"
Continue investing" does not instill confidence? There are plenty of unknowns like the ones you stated. He will address those issues as they become clearer. Why does this not instill confidence?
I believe in another post, you defined success as making it to the national championship game. If so, Auburn and Duke failed this season. Expecting Marquette to match the fund-raising ability of bluebloods and winning enough recruit bidding battles by having a comparable war chest (I think you also called for this, correct?) is, I think, unrealistic.
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2025, 02:04:53 PMInteresting. Thanks for posting.
Torvik has us ahead of Creighton, which has gone heavily into the portal.
Made me look twice to see Georgetown at #3. Not sure I believe it ... and I definitely won't believe it if Sorber goes to the NBA. They went from OK to horrible after he got hurt last season.
Easy to miss but he had the link sorted by returning talent. You need to sort it by Rank, which was:
St John's (6)
UConn (16)
Creighton (19)
Marquette (42)
Villanova (47)
Providence (56)
Xavier (58)
DePaul (63)
Georgetown (74)
Butler (75)
Seton Hall (151 - yikes)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 28, 2025, 03:24:04 PMEasy to miss but he had the link sorted by returning talent. You need to sort it by Rank, which was:
St John's (6)
UConn (16)
Creighton (19)
Marquette (42)
Villanova (47)
Providence (56)
Xavier (58)
DePaul (63)
Georgetown (74)
Butler (75)
Seton Hall (151 - yikes)
That makes more sense. Thanks.
I'm skeptical of Creighton, but we'll see soon enough.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 28, 2025, 02:54:23 PMThe AD stated:
The growing presence of NIL and future revenue sharing agreements, the impact of the transfer portal, ongoing legal challenges, and the potential for future conference realignment all present both challenges and opportunities. These developments emphasize the need for us to continue investing in our programs to remain competitive...
The AD's letter did not instill confidence that they will have enough to get by in the future as things are unclear what revenue sharing, what the impact of free agency and legal challenges will have and where will that revenue come from. I hope all the optimism here pans out.
I am pretty sure he is referring to the revenue lost to the class action suit which tentatively costs each team their NCAA income. There will be a big gap if you include that and the fact that donors' dollars must be spread around to the NIL payments (however they are made). There will be a big cash crunch coming.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 28, 2025, 11:00:24 AMThe comment was intended to suggest that we can and should be competitive with their ability to fund an NIL program--not on court performance.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 11:06:26 AMBut when we see teams like Creighton and UConn and Xavier succeed by blending a mix of top-ranked recruits, lower rated development players, and transfers, it's only natural to wonder whether they have a better approach.
I don't follow the blow by blow of portal activity, so maybe this has been discussed.
I got a message today from someone who said he saw Bruce Weber on BTN report that some unnamed portal participant who had minimal playing time and averaged 3 points a game had $300,000 offers from MU and KSU but his agent turned them down saying the offers were "disrespectful".
Anyone have any info on whether this is credible information.
I would be stunned if a reserve player would have a $300k offer from MU. The rest, sadly, I believe.
That's what the freshman got last year, so dollar amount is right
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 29, 2025, 06:24:19 PMThat's what the freshman got last year, so dollar amount is right
Please provide evidence. Thanks.
Quote from: MU82 on April 29, 2025, 07:24:02 PMPlease provide evidence. Thanks.
How is he supposed to do that? You either trust him...or don't.
Quote from: tower912 on April 29, 2025, 05:48:52 PMI would be stunned if a reserve player would have a $300k offer from MU. The rest, sadly, I believe.
I would be stunned if we didn't pay that...
O
Quote from: avid1010 on April 29, 2025, 07:40:39 PMI would be stunned if we didn't pay that...
I look forward to his arrival.
Quote from: MU82 on April 29, 2025, 07:24:02 PMPlease provide evidence. Thanks.
Former players..
Quote from: tower912 on April 29, 2025, 07:42:30 PMOI look forward to his arrival.
$300k isn't enough.
It surprises me that Shaka is making offers...but $300k would fall in line with the "I'm not going to pay players more than our current players" mantra.
What do you think we are paying incoming freshmen?
Quote from: avid1010 on April 29, 2025, 07:43:19 PM$300k isn't enough.
It surprises me that Shaka is making offers...but $300k would fall in line with the "I'm not going to pay players more than our current players" mantra.
What do you think we are paying incoming freshmen?
Room and board
Quote from: The Sultan on April 29, 2025, 07:40:17 PMHow is he supposed to do that? You either trust him...or don't.
Fair.
But it's an anonymous message board filled with opinions, and those opinions often are presented as facts. I'm an opinionated guy, too, though I do try to avoid presenting something as a fact without offering evidence.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 29, 2025, 07:42:52 PMFormer players..
OK thanks. So former players went up to you and told you how much NIL $$$ this past season's freshmen received? Or you read quotes from them somewhere? Or you saw it on social media?
I don't mean to be a nudge. I'm just something of a skeptic when it comes to online "facts."
For example, we had a guy here who repeatedly said that Sean Jones would be entering the transfer portal. How did he know? Because he knew? But how did he know? Someone he trusted told him. OK.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 29, 2025, 07:43:19 PM$300k isn't enough.
Well, then get out your checkbook
What is a full year tuition and room and board right now? Because I know a player that was offered that,but turned it down
Quote from: Fred Garvin on April 30, 2025, 12:35:18 PMWhat is a full year tuition and room and board right now? Because I know a player that was offered that,but turned it down
70K or there about.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 03:01:18 PMThis is ridiculous. Of course MU has the capability to pay.
Shaka is telling recruits (and everyone that will listen) that he won't pay them--not that he can't afford to pay them. And, keep in mind, that at the same time he says he won't pay newcomers, he claims to have plenty of money for retention.
We don't need to have Kansas or Kentucky-sized war chest. We should be competitive with the Xaviers and Creightons of the world.
You're not paying attention, and it shows.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 03:01:18 PMShaka is telling recruits (and everyone that will listen) that he won't pay them--not that he can't afford to pay them.
Good lord. Pay attention. This is NOT what Shaka is saying.
"We don't need to have Kansas or Kentucky-sized war chest. We should be competitive with the Xaviers and Creightons of the world."
Serious COLE.
Write the check.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 30, 2025, 04:51:39 PM"We don't need to have Kansas or Kentucky-sized war chest. We should be competitive with the Xaviers and Creightons of the world."
Serious COLE.
It absolutely is not. Marquette has always had a resource disadvantage.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 30, 2025, 05:09:41 PMIt absolutely is not. Marquette has always had a resource disadvantage.
I'd love to know the resources Marquette has to matchup with Kansas and Kentucky. I'm genuinely curious why people believe this. Show me the numbers
Shaka offered me 300k to NOT join the Marquette basketball team
Quote from: Johnny B on April 30, 2025, 05:02:42 PMWho do we make it out to ?
Pay to the order of MU82.
I'll take real good care of it!
Quote from: MU82 on April 29, 2025, 10:09:48 PMFair.
But it's an anonymous message board filled with opinions, and those opinions often are presented as facts. I'm an opinionated guy, too, though I do try to avoid presenting something as a fact without offering evidence.
OK thanks. So former players went up to you and told you how much NIL $$$ this past season's freshmen received? Or you read quotes from them somewhere? Or you saw it on social media?
I don't mean to be a nudge. I'm just something of a skeptic when it comes to online "facts."
For example, we had a guy here who repeatedly said that Sean Jones would be entering the transfer portal. How did he know? Because he knew? But how did he know? Someone he trusted told him. OK.
Three former players from the final four team.
I've said this on here before. My understanding is Kam was offered big $ after sophomore year and MU figured it out to get in the same ball park. Was close to $2 million last year. Kolek over $1 million. Have a family friend that was a very good low-mid major player now making $800k range to compete for a starting spot at high major school.
Goodman gave numbers he was hearing from players...sounded similar $750k and up for starters at big time schools.
I don't think any of this is hard to believe with or without citing sources given the reporting on it. I know everyone is throwing out numbers, but you can see a consistency across reports.
Shaka offering someone $300k makes sense given what I have heard the reserves get. It wouldn't be more than guys that have been at MU for longer. Unfortunately, I don't think $300k gets you much in the portal.
Quote from: MDMU04 on April 30, 2025, 08:09:56 AMWell, then get out your checkbook
I'm not saying they should offer more. I'm just saying I don't think it's enough to land anyone who can immediately contribute. I'm all for players being compensated, but the numbers are growing way too large. It feels like NIL is going to make life difficult for MU. I appreciate Shaka's approach. Think it is our best bet.
🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨CRYSTAL BALL🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
Quote from: avid1010 on April 30, 2025, 07:42:28 PMThree former players from the final four team.
I've said this on here before. My understanding is Kam was offered big $ after sophomore year and MU figured it out to get in the same ball park. Was close to $2 million last year. Kolek over $1 million. Have a family friend that was a very good low-mid major player now making $800k range to compete for a starting spot at high major school.
Goodman gave numbers he was hearing from players...sounded similar $750k and up for starters at big time schools.
I don't think any of this is hard to believe with or without citing sources given the reporting on it. I know everyone is throwing out numbers, but you can see a consistency across reports.
Shaka offering someone $300k makes sense given what I have heard the reserves get. It wouldn't be more than guys that have been at MU for longer. Unfortunately, I don't think $300k gets you much in the portal.
Thank you for expounding on your earlier post. This kind of thing helps my understanding of a complex situation.
Glad athletes are getting compensated what the market will bear. Capitalism at its finest. Here's hoping our alma mater's basketball team continues to do well.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 30, 2025, 07:42:28 PMThree former players from the final four team.
I've said this on here before. My understanding is Kam was offered big $ after sophomore year and MU figured it out to get in the same ball park. Was close to $2 million last year. Kolek over $1 million. Have a family friend that was a very good low-mid major player now making $800k range to compete for a starting spot at high major school.
Goodman gave numbers he was hearing from players...sounded similar $750k and up for starters at big time schools.
I don't think any of this is hard to believe with or without citing sources given the reporting on it. I know everyone is throwing out numbers, but you can see a consistency across reports.
Shaka offering someone $300k makes sense given what I have heard the reserves get. It wouldn't be more than guys that have been at MU for longer. Unfortunately, I don't think $300k gets you much in the portal.
lol.That is fantasy land. Good grief such nonsense thrown around.
All the money is off.
And no, MU isn't "underbidding" on transfers.
Quote from: jfp61 on May 01, 2025, 04:10:50 PMAll the money is off.
And no, MU isn't "underbidding" on transfers.
A colleague coached a current P4 starter and McDonald's AA in AAU ball. When I brought up a rumor that the kid was getting over $100k, he laughed: "$30k, maybe up to $40k, and a car lease paid for while he's there." My colleague worked with the kid's dad through the recruiting process. The inflated numbers are coming from two parties: agents trying to get numbers up for their clients or recruit new clients, and coaches making excuses for not getting guys. The inflated numbers also hurt kids who believe them, then leave places where they can be successful, thinking they're going to get six-figure deals, and they don't.
Not to say there aren't multi-million dollar guys out there, but the idea that low and mid major guys are getting nearly $1 million to transfer is laughable.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 01, 2025, 06:11:17 PMA colleague coached a current P4 starter and McDonald's AA in AAU ball. When I brought up a rumor that the kid was getting over $100k, he laughed: "$30k, maybe up to $40k, and a car lease paid for while he's there." My colleague worked with the kid's dad through the recruiting process. The inflated numbers are coming from two parties: agents trying to get numbers up for their clients or recruit new clients, and coaches making excuses for not getting guys. The inflated numbers also hurt kids who believe them, then leave places where they can be successful, thinking they're going to get six-figure deals, and they don't.
Not to say there aren't multi-million dollar guys out there, but the idea that low and mid major guys are getting nearly $1 million to transfer is laughable.
Or are the agents telling their clients they're getting the lower amount but the school is giving the agent the higher amount, leaving the agent to skim money from their clients, as you claimed earlier?
It's also getting smarter. When the transfer notification window ended and kids didn't enter, booom... $$$ to them from their school. The timing of outflows are crazy.
Brutal implications from a tax perspective. These collectives (and related donors) COULD be taken to task at some point. Blatant tax fraud abound.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 01, 2025, 06:17:29 PMIt's also getting smarter. When the transfer notification window ended and kids didn't enter, booom... $$$ to them from their school. The timing of outflows are crazy.
Brutal implications from a tax perspective. These collectives (and related donors) COULD be taken to task at some point. Blatant tax fraud abound.
I wouldn't worry. The IRS isn't staffed enough to worry about such things
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 01, 2025, 06:21:51 PMI wouldn't worry. The IRS isn't staffed enough to worry about such things
Ok. I'll trust you. You know good staffing.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 01, 2025, 07:26:16 PMOk. I'll trust you. You know good staffing.
Jealous?
Bee Jay with more penis fascination. Huh.
It feels like order has been restored.
Quote from: jfp61 on May 01, 2025, 04:10:50 PMAll the money is off.
And no, MU isn't "underbidding" on transfers.
Quote from: jfp61 on May 01, 2025, 04:10:50 PMAll the money is off.
And no, MU isn't "underbidding" on transfers.
Tell us more
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 01, 2025, 06:11:17 PMNot to say there aren't multi-million dollar guys out there, but the idea that low and mid major guys are getting nearly $1 million to transfer is laughable.
Absolutely false.
Quote from: avid1010 on May 02, 2025, 05:13:09 AMAbsolutely false.
there is a difference between asking for it and getting it. But keep believing that every kid who transferred from Evansville or San Diego is getting $1 million.
Will Wade is that guy
Quote from: Spencer Pratt on April 28, 2025, 12:05:35 PMFWIW, T-Rank has our talent ranked 4th in the conference for 2026. Also has our overall ranking at 4th as well.
https://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php?sort=tal&conlimit=BE
For Viper.
Sorber staying in the draft. Georgetown takes another step back.
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2025, 11:32:14 AMFor Viper.
Hmmmm....The gap still widening between MU and UConn, Creighton and St. Johns. Giddyup Shaka. Isn't that right Reeker?
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2025, 10:15:03 AMHmmmm....The gap still widening between MU and UConn, Creighton and St. Johns. Giddyup Shaka. Isn't that right Reeker?
Correct. The gap is wider than ever. Bring Wardle Home
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2025, 10:15:03 AMHmmmm....The gap still widening between MU and UConn, Creighton and St. Johns. Giddyup Shaka. Isn't that right Reeker?
I need to Skype you and get your thoughts on how to reverse this gap widening.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 15, 2025, 11:00:16 AMI need to Skype you and get your thoughts on how to reverse this gap widening.
Is today the day Skype is officially killed off by Microsoft?
Quote from: wadesworld on May 15, 2025, 11:00:16 AMI need to Skype you and get your thoughts on how to reverse this gap widening.
Keep getting better recruits. Last years team was weakest Shaka team since year 1. All 3 of the teams mentioned finished higher than MU and MU was 1-6 against those teams. Hence, the gap is widening. Let Reeker expound his sarcastic BS. He cannot argue those facts.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2025, 02:28:35 PMKeep getting better recruits. Last years team was weakest Shaka team since year 1. All 3 of the teams mentioned finished higher than MU and MU was 1-6 against those teams. Hence, the gap is widening. Let Reeker expound his sarcastic BS. He cannot argue those facts.
I agree. The gap is widening. Bring Wardle Home.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2025, 02:28:35 PMKeep getting better recruits. Last years team was weakest Shaka team since year 1. All 3 of the teams mentioned finished higher than MU and MU was 1-6 against those teams. Hence, the gap is widening. Let Reeker expound his sarcastic BS. He cannot argue those facts.
Shaka's recruiting class next year is #16 in the nation, behind both UCONN and Butler. Does this mean that the gap is widening between us and Butler as well?!?
Quote from: 100AcreNation on May 15, 2025, 02:50:28 PMShaka's recruiting class next year is #16 in the nation, behind both UCONN and Butler. Does this mean that the gap is widening between us and Butler as well?!?
Oh, no. Another team lapping Marquette.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2025, 02:28:35 PMKeep getting better recruits. Last years team was weakest Shaka team since year 1. All 3 of the teams mentioned finished higher than MU and MU was 1-6 against those teams. Hence, the gap is widening. Let Reeker expound his sarcastic BS. He cannot argue those facts.
Gormless blather overflowing with putrefactive sapience, Dung Willie
Quote from: 100AcreNation on May 15, 2025, 02:50:28 PMShaka's recruiting class next year is #16 in the nation, behind both UCONN and Butler. Does this mean that the gap is widening between us and Butler as well?!?
I believe this is the rank just for HS recruiting.
247 shows MU with a class rank of 44th when transfers are included:
https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/overallteamrankings/
(https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/overallteamrankings/)
9: Uconn
19: St. Johns
24: Creighton
35: Providence
41: Butler
42: Villanova
44: MU
64: Xavier
67: Georgetown
76: DePaul
93: Seton Hall
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2025, 02:28:35 PMKeep getting better recruits. Last years team was weakest Shaka team since year 1. All 3 of the teams mentioned finished higher than MU and MU was 1-6 against those teams. Hence, the gap is widening. Let Reeker expound his sarcastic BS. He cannot argue those facts.
So wait...your brilliant plan for Marquette to get better is to...continue to get better? Quick, someone write a letter, what Marquette needs to do to get better is to get better! It's genius! How did they never think to recruit players that would make them better? I can't wait to see what the staff does now that they have these inarguable facts at their disposal!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 15, 2025, 02:57:03 PMOh, no. Another team lapping Marquette.
How soon before the Big East tries to replace Marquette with St. Thomas? 👀
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2025, 03:29:08 PMSo wait...your brilliant plan for Marquette to get better is to...continue to get better? Quick, someone write a letter, what Marquette needs to do to get better is to get better! It's genius! How did they never think to recruit players that would make them better? I can't wait to see what the staff does now that they have these inarguable facts at their disposal!
Once again, this was a response to somebody else's question. Yes they can get better through better recruits.This is in the context of the gap widening at the top of the league. If you do not understand facts and common sense then continue to sound off with your sarcastic wind. Deny that MU wsnt downhill last year compared to prior. Come up with some fantastic info that supports your logic. Amazing how some MU fans get their panties in a bunch when somebody lodges some objective criticism about team performance.
Here it comes...our players were injured last year.
Which is an objective fact, so theoretically you would embrace it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2025, 03:29:08 PMSo wait...your brilliant plan for Marquette to get better is to...continue to get better? Quick, someone write a letter, what Marquette needs to do to get better is to get better! It's genius! How did they never think to recruit players that would make them better? I can't wait to see what the staff does now that they have these inarguable facts at their disposal!
As someone that has been a Marquette basketball fan since 1865, Wingdings knows ball
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 15, 2025, 03:45:49 PMAs someone that has been a Marquette basketball fan since 1865, Wingdings knows ball
I mean, he does have a pennant.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 15, 2025, 03:48:45 PMI mean, he does have a pennant.
In his basement. Some fan
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 15, 2025, 03:08:26 PMI believe this is the rank just for HS recruiting.
247 shows MU with a class rank of 44th when transfers are included:
https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/overallteamrankings/
(https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/overallteamrankings/)
9: Uconn
19: St. Johns
24: Creighton
35: Providence
41: Butler
42: Villanova
44: MU
64: Xavier
67: Georgetown
76: DePaul
93: Seton Hall
The gap widens. Can't wait for Wardle. The guy gets it. Shaka is just happy to make sure everyone is taken care of. Wins don't matter as long as seniority is respected.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 15, 2025, 04:31:57 PMThe gap widens. Can't wait for Wardle. The guy gets it. Shaka is just happy to make sure everyone is taken care of. Wins don't matter as long as seniority is respected.
Relationships, Growth, Complacency I'm afraid...
It is almost as if we don't need to add 6+ new bodies to the team each year
Quote from: tower912 on May 15, 2025, 03:43:45 PMWhich is an objective fact, so theoretically you would embrace it.
Theoretically, try one
Why? You are not remotely theoretically objective.
But it is a verifiable fact the team had injuries.
Quote from: tower912 on May 16, 2025, 01:17:14 PMWhy? You are not remotely theoretically objective.
But it is a verifiable fact the team had injuries.
Your opinion is not remotely objective either. Better keep defending Wojo to the last like you did. That is being you.
Yawn. I root for every MU coach to be successful. You do you and keep hating and complaining about everything in your miserable so called existence.
But thanks for the dopamine hit.
Quote from: tower912 on May 16, 2025, 04:19:23 PMYawn. I root for every MU coach to be successful. You do you and keep hating and complaining about everything in your miserable so called existence.
But thanks for the dopamine hit.
If you had been around when Tex Winter was coach, you'd understand
Why argue with a joyless mope whose basketball knowledge is so lacking that he called Stevie Mitchell a "pile of dung"?
It makes me laugh.
I only root for Wardle
Quote from: JakeBarnes on May 16, 2025, 05:00:05 PMI only root for Wardle
I root for Marquette until my coach partakes in roster malpractice. Then I root for the coach that should replace him. In this case, Wardle.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 16, 2025, 04:17:10 PMYour opinion is not remotely objective either. Better keep defending Wojo to the last like you did. That is being you.
Wisdom lies not in words or thoughts, but in displaying one's Warriors pennant above ground level, Dung Willie