Golden Eagles notes Big South Frosh of the Year, Mister Dean of USU Upsate.
Make your calls on who you want here or shut up next year about the roster
Expect Shaka to really attack the portal this offseason since we're terrible this year and the team will be absolutely devoid of talent next season as currently comprised.
I trust Shaka. If he is able to retain the 14 players currently on scholarship or on the way for next season, and thinks that he and the coaching staff can turn them into a good team, I trust him.
If there are unexpected departures and he finds a player in the portal that meets his criteria, I trust him.
Dismiss all players build a new team from the portal. Preferably all bangers and mid range.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 07, 2025, 11:11:17 AMDismiss al players build a new team from the portal. Preferably all bangers and mid range.
As long as they have good necks.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 11:12:33 AMAs long as they have good necks.
And listen to good heavy metal
This is a message bored. Please keep this focused on transfers.
I like the Shaka 5-point plan. Keep things the way we are an understand you can't please all the people.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 10:40:15 AMGolden Eagles notes Big South Frosh of the Year, Mister Dean of USU Upsate.
I vote no.
For the record...whoever is on the roster next year, is who I want.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 11:57:13 AMThis is a message bored. Please keep this focused on transfers.
I love how you keep us focused in these threads. We don't need any of that crazy sh!t.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 11:57:13 AMThis is a message bored. Please keep this focused on transfers.
I can't, drunk already. Have been drinking for 3 hours in this godforsaken ship. Couldn't score any weed in the Bahamas, depressed.
Honestly, I hope Shaka keeps his streak going. I do love zigging when everyone else is zagging. I enjoy listening to my non-MU alum basketball loving buddies lamenting the portal and rumored bag drops. I want Shaka to continue with the relationships, growth, victory mantra as long as he can.
Freaking so many people out by being old school, consistent, and true to himself is just a happy side benefit.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 01:28:35 PMHonestly, I hope Shaka keeps his streak going. I do love zigging when everyone else is sagging. I enjoy listening to my non-MU alum basketball loving buddies lamenting the portal and rumored bag drops. I want Shaka to continue with the relationships, growth, victory mantra as long as he can.
Freaking so many people out by being old school, consistent, and true to himself is just a happy side benefit.
Absolutely right on. If it wasn't working it'd be a different conversation, but it is working as well as we could've imagined. Being different can be a good thing. It's a way to create our own little niche in college basketball.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 01:28:35 PMHonestly, I hope Shaka keeps his streak going. I do love zigging when everyone else is sagging. I enjoy listening to my non-MU alum basketball loving buddies lamenting the portal and rumored bag drops. I want Shaka to continue with the relationships, growth, victory mantra as long as he can.
Freaking so many people out by being old school, consistent, and true to himself is just a happy side benefit.
I like it too, but I don't see anything wrong with taking depth piece or a position of need in the Portal, particularly a grad transfer. It worked out for Izzo and those guys didn't cost much at all. It's not like he's going to remake the entire roster like Indiana did this past off-season.
Billy, I assume he will at some point. I am of the opinion it will be directly related to an unexpected departure.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 07, 2025, 01:45:28 PMI like it too, but I don't see anything wrong with taking depth piece or a position of need in the Portal, particularly a grad transfer. It worked out for Izzo and those guys didn't cost much at all. It's not like he's going to remake the entire roster like Indiana did this past off-season.
I think the reason we don't is it keeps the guys who have been here committed and loyal. They know their shot is coming. Grabbing a portal player to fill is a bit of a betrayal of what Shaka has used as his ethos and recruiting tool. His guys are his guys. I'm not saying he won't grab a guy, but the fit will have to be as precise as a scalpel, and will probably have to be a 1:1 replacing someone who is transferring out.
Just my read of things.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 07, 2025, 01:45:28 PMI like it too, but I don't see anything wrong with taking depth piece or a position of need in the Portal, particularly a grad transfer. It worked out for Izzo and those guys didn't cost much at all. It's not like he's going to remake the entire roster like Indiana did this past off-season.
Some of our grad transfers (or one year players) have been big hits on the court like Reinhardt, Lockett, Morsell, etc but I just don't really like those type of guys. They are just hired guns and hard to fit into the culture and hard to care about. I don't consider them Marquette guys at all. It's lame that the Badgers try and claim Russell Wilson after playing a dozen games there. Same idea.
I think generally the best transfer fits will be re-recruits (missed on em the first time) that have multiple years left.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 07, 2025, 02:05:44 PMSome of our grad transfers (or one year players) have been big hits on the court like Reinhardt, Lockett, Morsell, etc but I just don't really like those type of guys. They are just hired guns and hard to fit into the culture and hard to care about. I don't consider them Marquette guys at all. It's lame that the Badgers try and claim Russell Wilson after playing a dozen games there. Same idea.
I think generally the best transfer fits will be re-recruits (missed on em the first time) that have multiple years left.
I definitely consider Reinhardt, Morsell and Lockett Marquette guys. Jeez, don't be so up on your high horse about these things.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 07, 2025, 01:52:24 PMI think the reason we don't is it keeps the guys who have been here committed and loyal. They know their shot is coming. Grabbing a portal player to fill is a bit of a betrayal of what Shaka has used as his ethos and recruiting tool. His guys are his guys. I'm not saying he won't grab a guy, but the fit will have to be as precise as a scalpel, and will probably have to be a 1:1 replacing someone who is transferring out.
Just my read of things.
Best post yet in reply to scoop portal pushers. My "read of things" also. The "improve the team" justification works for
one season at the expense of the integrity of Shaka's deal. Next? Recruits decommitting.
I would like us to target a big with muscle and a knockdown shooter. I am all for "hoping" current roster makes the jump. But why not add proven players if we can. My fear, if we don't add a portal player or two, is that we have a ground hog day scenario where next year's team shoots and rebounds poorly like this year.
Can't add two without a departure.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 07, 2025, 02:12:51 PMBest post yet in reply to scoop portal pushers. My "read of things" also. The "improve the team" justification works for one season at the expense of the integrity of Shaka's deal. Next? Recruits decommitting.
I think we are being a bit hyperbolic here. What if a Robert Jackson-type was available for a year with Shaka thinking that he could do a Gold, Jackson, Parham type rotation. Who would decommit because of that? Would Clark or Hamilton really skip town? And if they did, would that just be another Keeyan or Emarion where in the end it was probably for the best?
I completely understand why Shaka shies away from the portal in general. But I don't think the entire structure of what he is building will fall down around him if he decides to fill a hole that way.
Yea, Shaka has pursued a transfer every off-season, I would expect this year to be no different. Whether there are transfers out there that can check all the boxes remains to be seen.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 07, 2025, 11:11:17 AMDismiss all players build a new team from the portal. Preferably all bangers and mid range.
That's Gard's plan, which why the Badgers always get it done and will be easily top 2 in the B1G once again next year.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 07, 2025, 02:21:15 PMI think we are being a bit hyperbolic here. What if a Robert Jackson-type was available for a year with Shaka thinking that he could do a Gold, Jackson, Parham type rotation. Who would decommit because of that? Would Clark or Hamilton really skip town? And if they did, would that just be another Keeyan or Emarion where in the end it was probably for the best?
I completely understand why Shaka shies away from the portal in general. But I don't think the entire structure of what he is building will fall down around him if he decides to fill a hole that way.
Hyperbole is a time-honored tradition on scoop.
A hole? Sure. But when the bar is lowered to "improving the team", anything goes. Big difference.
Next year, you have 4 freshman coming in, then you have 4 kids that maybe are not up to this level, so that leaves 6 kids that are good but have some question marks? How can you not want to add an experienced player?
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 07, 2025, 06:45:55 PMNext year, you have 4 freshman coming in, then you have 4 kids that maybe are not up to this level, so that leaves 6 kids that are good but have some question marks? How can you not want to add an experienced player?
Show your math
I'm old enough to remember when Stevie Mitchell didn't start and played 10 minutes a game as a freshman and averaged 2.8 points
The next season he started every game for a team that won the big east and earned a 2 seed.
Omax averaged 9 minutes a game at Clemson as a frosh and scored 2.5 points a game.....Shaka recruited him anyway.
Sophomore season.....6.6 points a game
Junior season.........12.5 .....first round pick.
Quote from: MuMark on March 07, 2025, 07:44:09 PMI'm old enough to remember when Stevie Mitchell didn't start and played 10 minutes a game as a freshman and averaged 2.8 points
The next season he started every game for a team that won the big east and earned a 2 seed.
Omax averaged 9 minutes a game at Clemson as a frost and scored 2.5 points a game.....Shaka recruited him anyway.
Sophomore season.....6.6 points a game
Junior season.........12.5 .....first round pick.
You neglected to mention what Oso and Kam were like as freshmen.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 07:47:04 PMYou neglected to mention what Oso and Kam were like as freshmen.
Ok.....Kam was a one dimensional chucker who could shoot but showed not much else.......
Oso played so little and then got hurt that I looked for his picture on the milk carton when I went to the grocery store.
I was trying to be succinct but you talked me out of it....... 8-)
Thank you.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 07, 2025, 02:43:39 PMHyperbole is a time-honored tradition on scoop.
A hole? Sure. But when the bar is lowered to "improving the team", anything goes. Big difference.
You called sultan an a hole?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 10:40:15 AMGolden Eagles notes Big South Frosh of the Year, Mister Dean of USU Upsate.
Make your calls on who you want here or shut up next year about the roster
Cooper Flagg
Quote from: MuMark on March 07, 2025, 07:44:09 PMI'm old enough to remember when Stevie Mitchell didn't start and played 10 minutes a game as a freshman and averaged 2.8 points
The next season he started every game for a team that won the big east and earned a 2 seed.
Omax averaged 9 minutes a game at Clemson as a frosh and scored 2.5 points a game.....Shaka recruited him anyway.
Sophomore season.....6.6 points a game
Junior season.........12.5 .....first round pick.
Facts are no fun, alternative facts are the thing now.
The problem is the sophomore class doesn't fit into the Stevie, Joplin and Kam development scenarios. Maybe Zaide? But he seems to have freshman averages not sophomore Stevie, Kam, Joplin averages. Tre much much worse. Al, hasn't even played. These are apples and oranges comparisons.
Royce has a freshman year comparison that is legit. Owens maybe.
MU seems to be a stage behind in similar development with the new guys. Oso may fit the bill for this sophomore group.
Can we expect the same level of development. Are these players as good as Stevie, Jop and Kam? TBD.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 07, 2025, 09:53:59 PMThe problem is the sophomore class doesn't fit into the Stevie, Joplin and Kam development scenarios. Maybe Zaide? But he seems to have freshman averages not sophomore Stevie, Kam, Joplin averages. Tre much much worse. Al, hasn't even played. These are apples and oranges comparisons.
Royce has a freshman year comparison that is legit. Owens maybe.
MU seems to be a stage behind in similar development with the new guys. Oso may fit the bill for this sophomore group.
Can we expect the same level of development. Are these players as good as Stevie, Jop and Kam? TBD.
Our leading returning scorer going into the 22-23 season was Kam at 7.4 followed by TK at 6.7 and OMax at 6.6.
Let's not alter history regarding the uncertainty of what we had going into that season.
As of today Chase is at 10.6, Ben at 7.5 and Royce at 5.3. I get that PG is a question mark right now but history shows these guys plus Zaide and Owens will likely step up.
I want that to be true. And I hope you are right. Just seems they are all one year behind the last developmental curve.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 07, 2025, 10:52:13 PMI want that to be true. And I hope you are right. Just seems they are all one year behind the last developmental curve.
Just my opinion but I don't think it works like that. Development isn't always linear.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on March 07, 2025, 10:52:13 PMI want that to be true. And I hope you are right. Just seems they are all one year behind the last developmental curve.
LOL
I understand not wanting to recruit over guys already in the program, but when guys don't pan out and either transfer to a lower level (Itejere) or apparently change positions and have to unexpectedly RS (Amadou), the benefit of the portal is that you can try and go out and replace those guys with players who are at the level you anticipated the aforementioned to be at when constructing the roster. We've got a thin frontcourt with the two backups being a true freshman and a redshirt project freshman because we didn't. I'd rather hit the portal in those situations than hit the reset button with a HS recruit because then you have an experience gap.
With the roster now expanded to 15, one or even two transfers couldn't hurt and would not send the wrong message to existing players. Might even light a fire under players who want more playing time.
NIL is here to stay, and the bidding wars have only just begun.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 07, 2025, 11:49:26 PMI understand not wanting to recruit over guys already in the program, but when guys don't pan out and either transfer to a lower level (Itejere) or apparently change positions and have to unexpectedly RS (Amadou), the benefit of the portal is that you can try and go out and replace those guys with players who are at the level you anticipated the aforementioned to be at when constructing the roster. We've got a thin frontcourt with the two backups being a true freshman and a redshirt project freshman because we didn't. I'd rather hit the portal in those situations than hit the reset button with a HS recruit because then you have an experience gap.
It's not about replacing an Amadou. Do you really think having modest upgrades on the bench for Norman and Hamilton would have made much difference?
And again, doing so would make Shaka look disingenuous to the rest of the team.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 08, 2025, 05:34:49 AMWith the roster now expanded to 15, one or even two transfers couldn't hurt and would not send the wrong message to existing players. Might even light a fire under players who want more playing time.
NIL is here to stay, and the bidding wars have only just begun.
The roster expansion also gives you the opportunity to redshirt a guy like Amadou and take a flyer on a guy like Clark. So Shaka is using that extra flexibility there instead of on transfers.
You take a transfer or two when you have recruits not panning out or not developing (it doesn'ttake multi years to figure this out). Fill in the misses with proven D1 players, this doesn't destroy our culture. Still have 90% of the team, home grown recruits. I am ok calling a recruit a miss and bringing in new players at the expense of losing some culture. The goal is to win and if we need a portaler or two to do it, let it be. Our program, is high level D1, nit interested in finishing 5th in BE and feeling good because we didn't use any transfers. Just upgrade the talent on the roster. The other stuff will work itself out. Lastly, watching Norman and Hamilton, cannot say how much they look like MAC players. Hope my instincts are wrong.
Unless there are unexpected departures (multiple), I do not see Shaka bringing in any players from the portal. 14 scholarships spoken for. With only 2 2026 guaranteed departures, I think they pocket the last scholarship in order to have a 3 player recruiting class in 2026.
Quote from: tower912 on March 08, 2025, 07:43:01 AMUnless there are unexpected departures (multiple), I do not see Shaka bringing in any players from the portal. 14 scholarships spoken for. With only 2 2026 guaranteed departures, I think they pocket the last scholarship in order to have a 3 player recruiting class in 2026.
While I agree with your conclusion, I would not be opposed to a one year big however.
Oso still has his COVID year.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 06:48:20 AMIt's not about replacing an Amadou.
Why not? We were supposed to have a frontcourt player with a year of experience off the bench in Amadou. We don't.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 06:48:20 AMDo you really think having modest upgrades on the bench for Norman and Hamilton would have made much difference?
It doesn't seem like the plan was for Sean to redshirt. Had Shaka known, might he have been more aggressive in the portal? Maybe. Could they have made a difference? Maybe. We don't know for sure. Again, we don't have a backup big with experience. I don't see how one could just dismiss the possibility of that helping.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 06:48:20 AMAnd again, doing so would make Shaka look disingenuous to the rest of the team.
Why? We're talking about backups. The guys in front of them didn't graduate, they got hurt and/or didn't pan out. Their position on the depth chart wouldn't change, just the guy in front of them would. Disingenuous would be recruiting over a guy like Zaide who's in line to start next year.
In re the roster numbers, shaka has to sit down with 1 or 2 players and say your not going to get minutes next year. It's in your best interests to look elsewhere, where you can play. Most likely not at a high D1 school. Just have an honest conversation. This happens every year at practically every d1 hoops program.
Quote from: Captain Quette on March 08, 2025, 09:37:02 AMIn re the roster numbers, shaka has to sit down with 1 or 2 players and say your not going to get minutes next year. It's in your best interests to look elsewhere, where you can play. Most likely not at a high D1 school. Just have an honest conversation. This happens every year at practically every d1 hoops program.
I'm sure Shaka would appreciate your advice on how to manage his roster.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 08, 2025, 09:38:46 AMI'm sure Shaka would appreciate your advice on how to manage his roster.
why harpoon a guys legit comment?
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 07, 2025, 06:45:55 PMNext year, you have 4 freshman coming in, then you have 4 kids that maybe are not up to this level, so that leaves 6 kids that are good but have some question marks? How can you not want to add an experienced player?
stop making sense, damn it.
Quote from: Viper on March 08, 2025, 09:51:56 AMwhy harpoon a guys legit comment?
Because don't you think that Shaka knows how to talk to players on his team? It's just an inane comment.
Seems people don't listen to Shaka interviews. He isn't against using the portal and he says he has contacted players, but if they don't fit the culture and first thing they ask is about NIL money, they're out. Simple as that, and in other instances they have decided to go elsewhere.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 08, 2025, 10:04:31 AMSeems people don't listen to Shaka interviews. He isn't against using the portal and he says he has contacted players, but if they don't fit the culture and first thing they ask is about NIL money, they're out. Simple as that, and in other instances they have decided to go elsewhere.
Exactly. This idea that he wouldn't take anyone and the roster is sacred or something just isn't accurate.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 07, 2025, 08:13:22 PMCooper Flagg
Yeah, Flagg would be great but he is beyond Shakas reach.Lpoks like the savior for next year is Militec. Mo wait, what about the New Zealand Net Swisher?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 10:21:42 AMYeah, Flagg would be great but he is beyond Shakas reach.Lpoks like the savior for next year is Militec. Mo wait, what about the New Zealand Net Swisher?
Someone's mixing early.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 10:21:42 AMYeah, Flagg would be great but he is beyond Shakas reach.Lpoks like the savior for next year is Militec. Mo wait, what about the New Zealand Net Swisher?
Mo has no eligibility left
Quote from: The Sultan on March 08, 2025, 10:25:26 AMSomeone's mixing early.
Haha Willie getting after it with the keg and eggs
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 10:21:42 AMYeah, Flagg would be great but he is beyond Shakas reach.Lpoks like the savior for next year is Militec. Mo wait, what about the New Zealand Net Swisher?
If you need a new name, what you came up with is weak. How about Kiwi Klunker?
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 08, 2025, 08:56:58 AMWhy not? We were supposed to have a frontcourt player with a year of experience off the bench in Amadou. We don't.
It doesn't seem like the plan was for Sean to redshirt. Had Shaka known, might he have been more aggressive in the portal? Maybe. Could they have made a difference? Maybe. We don't know for sure. Again, we don't have a backup big with experience. I don't see how one could just dismiss the possibility of that helping.
Why? We're talking about backups. The guys in front of them didn't graduate, they got hurt and/or didn't pan out. Their position on the depth chart wouldn't change, just the guy in front of them would. Disingenuous would be recruiting over a guy like Zaide who's in line to start next year.
Why not? Shaka knows more than anyone that you can't always predict someone's development and when they will be able to contribute at a meaningful level. And having 15 scholarships and the ability to redshirt someone means you thought it was worth sticking with Al. I also don't think not having a backup big with experience has really made much of a difference - Jop and Kam going cold from 3 has been the biggest issue.
Seriously? You do realize that backups become starters or key rotation members, correct? It would be disingenuous because Shaka's approach and word carries the same weight regardless of it being a starter or a depth guy. If you don't think guys would see through him taking different approaches based on that I'm not sure what to tell you.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 08, 2025, 10:04:31 AMSeems people don't listen to Shaka interviews. He isn't against using the portal and he says he has contacted players, but if they don't fit the culture and first thing they ask is about NIL money, they're out. Simple as that, and in other instances they have decided to go elsewhere.
Sure, and the reality is that the type of transfers people want here are most likely going to fall into that bucket.
I also think with 15 roster spots he will be honest with guys. But if a guy wants to stay anyway, I don't think Shaka would have any issue with that.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 11:02:51 AMWhy not? Shaka knows more than anyone that you can't always predict someone's development and when they will be able to contribute at a meaningful level. And having 15 scholarships and the ability to redshirt someone means you thought it was worth sticking with Al. I also don't think not having a backup big with experience has really made much of a difference - Jop and Kam going cold from 3 has been the biggest issue.
Seriously? You do realize that backups become starters or key rotation members, correct? It would be disingenuous because Shaka's approach and word carries the same weight regardless of it being a starter or a depth guy. If you don't think guys would see through him taking different approaches based on that I'm not sure what to tell you.
According to folks on this site, Amadou is viewed as a wing now, so regardless of the redshirt or not, that's a hole in frontcourt. I'm not talking about guys who are improving over time, I'm talking about guys like Itejere and Amadou who we now know aren't going to fill the spots they took up. That's when you replace them with guys who are at the level you planned on them being at.
And there's a difference between a guy on the depth chart moving up because someone ahead of him was lost due to an unforeseen circumstance (transfer, injury) and a foreseen one (graduation).
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 11:05:35 AMSure, and the reality is that the type of transfers people want here are most likely going to fall into that bucket.
I also think with 15 roster spots he will be honest with guys. But if a guy wants to stay anyway, I don't think Shaka would have any issue with that.
This is the most important point re: transfers
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 08, 2025, 10:54:50 AMIf you need a new name, what you came up with is weak. How about Kiwi Klunker?
Yes, that is better
If only Shaka would read threads like this, we'd be Final Four locks every year.
But he doesn't, so it's time to find a coach who will pay more attention to anonymous fanboard folks.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 10:50:38 AMI trust Shaka. If he is able to retain the 14 players currently on scholarship or on the way for next season, and thinks that he and the coaching staff can turn them into a good team, I trust him.
If there are unexpected departures and he finds a player in the portal that meets his criteria, I trust him.
Need bigs and shooters. Else we are playing for 5th place in the BE.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 07:05:52 PMNeed bigs and shooters. Else we are playing for 5th place in the BE.
And then maybe we're playing for a conference title the following season.
I'm so sorry this brutal season has been so rough on you.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 07:05:52 PMNeed bigs and shooters. Else we are playing for 5th place in the BE.
We're tied for fourth. And that's been the second worst finish in Shaka's time here, behind his first year when he had to remake the roster.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 08, 2025, 07:21:58 PMWe're tied for fourth. And that's been the second worst finish in Shaka's time here, behind his first year when he had to remake the roster.
What about all that roster development theory. Where does that fit in?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 08:19:22 PMWhat about all that roster development theory. Where does that fit in?
Hard to develop a roster when you were coaching at a different school.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 08, 2025, 07:21:58 PMWe're tied for fourth. And that's been the second worst finish in Shaka's time here, behind his first year when he had to remake the roster.
Great, 4th (seeded fifth) in a five bid (hopefully) league, 2-6 against the top 4, with the wins coming in December when both opponents were short handed. It is possible we'll go into the post season unranked. Is that what you expected when we entered January?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 08, 2025, 08:27:54 PMGreat, 4th (seeded fifth) in a five bid (hopefully) league, 2-6 against the top 4, with the wins coming in December when both opponents were short handed. It is possible we'll go into the post season unranked. Is that what you expected when we entered January?
League standings or seeds, have no direct correlation to NCAAT / seeds
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 08, 2025, 08:27:54 PMGreat, 4th (seeded fifth) in a five bid (hopefully) league, 2-6 against the top 4, with the wins coming in December when both opponents were short handed. It is possible we'll go into the post season unranked. Is that what you expected when we entered January?
5th in conference, yeah!!!
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 09:05:05 PM5th in conference, yeah!!!
What team are you a fan of? It's not Marquette.
What if Shaka had used the portal last year and got Eogafor for us instead of St John's getting him. Think one player would have made a difference to this years results?! Instead of signing another project. Maybe the bag was too big
Quote from: drbob on March 08, 2025, 09:50:11 PMWhat if Shaka had used the portal last year and got Eogafor for us instead of St John's getting him. Think one player would have made a difference to this years results?! Instead of signing another project. Maybe the bag was too big
Yeah! And what if Shaka had successfully recruited Cooper Flagg? Think he would have made a difference? Can't believe Shaka missed on him.
Quote from: MU82 on March 08, 2025, 09:53:17 PMYeah! And what if Shaka had successfully recruited Cooper Flagg? Think he would have made a difference? Can't believe Shaka missed on him.
MU was never in on Flagg. Knueppel, on the other hand...
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 08, 2025, 08:46:35 PMLeague standings or seeds, have no direct correlation to NCAAT / seeds
I didn't say they did. But on Feb 1 we were projected as a 2 or 3 seed. Now what, 6 or 7?
Quote from: drbob on March 08, 2025, 09:50:11 PMWhat if Shaka had used the portal last year and got Eogafor for us instead of St John's getting him. Think one player would have made a difference to this years results?! Instead of signing another project. Maybe the bag was too big
Zuby sucked at Kansas. I think most people here would have complained that he wasnt good enough to waste a scholarship on. Kudos to St Johns for developing him, but thats just the unknown of the portal.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 08, 2025, 10:11:08 PMI didn't say they did. But on Feb 1 we were projected as a 2 or 3 seed. Now what, 6 or 7?
The way you wrote is what it implied.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 08, 2025, 09:20:04 PMWhat team are you a fan of? It's not Marquette.
You happy with a 5th place finish in a crappy conference this year?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 08, 2025, 10:11:08 PMI didn't say they did. But on Feb 1 we were projected as a 2 or 3 seed. Now what, 6 or 7?
Maybe you should rally all the rich and famous people you're constantly rubbing elbows with and get some money for either portal guys or to get a coach in here who will use the portal. We deserve better as fans.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 11:17:09 PMYou happy with a 5th place finish in a crappy conference this year?
They finished tied for fourth.
Right where they were projected to.
Right. And I don't think anyone is "happy" about it considering how they started. But there is nothing anyone here can do about it, so...
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 11:17:09 PMYou happy with a 5th place finish in a crappy conference this year?
Wojo would've been.
Again, I do hope that Shaka does look at the portal for a one or two year big this off-season. I do like Ben, but I just think he struggles with the physicality and is better as more of a "stretch 4" type of player. I doubt Caedin will be ready, and Clark is too much of an unknown. And who knows about Al.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 08, 2025, 10:43:06 PMThe way you wrote is what it implied.
I never referenced or implied anything about NCAA tourney seeding. I talked about our start, our disappointing finish, and how we had a very poor record against the top four. But we know people will interpret anything how they want to even if it isn't there.
Quote from: tower912 on March 09, 2025, 08:05:56 AMRight where they were projected to.
That's exactly right. MU is not as talented this season and, outside of Chase, the starting group wasn't particularly athletic. MU's in-season development depended on sophomores and freshmen. Parham and Lowery are coming along well now. Teams with transfers started to gel more as the season went on. I'll be curious to see how the BE teams do in the NCAA.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 08, 2025, 11:17:09 PMYou happy with a 5th place finish in a crappy conference this year?
After losing two Marquette greats to the NBA and two straight 2-seeds, I can live with being tied for FOURTH and comfortably in the tourney.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 09, 2025, 08:49:53 AMAfter losing two Marquette greats to the NBA and two straight 2-seeds, I can live with being tied for FOURTH and comfortably in the tourney.
That's the reality of Marquette basketball. There will be peaks and valleys. I can live with the valleys being tournament seasons, as long as the peaks get back to top 15 seasons.
I'm not opposed to taking transfers, but at this point Shaka has really leaned into HS recruiting over the portal. That's become his selling point that differentiates Marquette in recruiting. Recruits like Adrien Stevens and Ian Miletic have even talked about it being a factor for them. They chose Marquette over schools like Villanova and Illinois, schools that are very active in the portal. I'm sure that's part of the recruiting pitch to JJ Andrews and Alex Egbuonu, especially when we're up against schools like Arkansas and Auburn that have a ton of transfers on their roster.
So until Shaka changes course, lands a transfer, or even has someone in the portal take a visit, I'm going to assume Marquette won't be going that route.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 09, 2025, 09:15:27 AMThat's the reality of Marquette basketball. There will be peaks and valleys. I can live with the valleys being tournament seasons, as long as the peaks get back to top 15 seasons.
I'm not opposed to taking transfers, but at this point Shaka has really leaned into HS recruiting over the portal. That's become his selling point that differentiates Marquette in recruiting. Recruits like Adrien Stevens and Ian Miletic have even talked about it being a factor for them. They chose Marquette over schools like Villanova and Illinois, schools that are very active in the portal. I'm sure that's part of the recruiting pitch to JJ Andrews and Alex Egbuonu, especially when we're up against schools like Arkansas and Auburn have a ton of transfers on their roster.
So until Shaka changes course, lands a transfer, or even has someone in the portal take a visit, I'm going to assume Marquette won't be going that route.
Nice post! Your wording regarding Shaka's M.O. is the best I have seen. He has not ruled out transfers but has made it clear that HS recruiting and development of them is his preference. I would not be shocked to see him bring in a transfer at some point in the future but there is no hurry until his M.O. needs an "exception". And of course, portal pushers have been quick to use this season's "valley" as a reason to go into the portal.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 09, 2025, 08:42:07 AMI never referenced or implied anything about NCAA tourney seeding. I talked about our start, our disappointing finish, and how we had a very poor record against the top four. But we know people will interpret anything how they want to even if it isn't there.
You said 5 BET seed, in hopefully a 5 BE tournament league. To me that implies since MU is a 5 seed, need to have 5 BE teams to get in, sorry if I miss interpreted, but that how I read it.
Talent is not as good next year, so it makes total sense to bring in a seasoned scorer or a big. Grad transfer unless some players leave.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 09, 2025, 10:37:54 AMTalent is not as good next year, so it makes total sense to bring in a seasoned scorer or a big. Grad transfer unless some players leave.
In terms of raw talent I disagree.
In terms of experience and proven production, sure.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 09, 2025, 09:57:23 AMYou said 5 BET seed, in hopefully a 5 BE tournament league. To me that implies since MU is a 5 seed, need to have 5 BE teams to get in, sorry if I miss interpreted, but that how I read it.
I understand. I was referring to the BET only and our drop off in February. Xavier is considered a bubble team so it may only be a four bid league. All good. Ring out Ahoya!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 09:53:34 AMNice post! Your wording regarding Shaka's M.O. is the best I have seen. He has not ruled out transfers but has made it clear that HS recruiting and development of them is his preference. I would not be shocked to see him bring in a transfer at some point in the future but there is no hurry until his M.O. needs an "exception". And of course, portal pushers have been quick to use this season's "valley" as a reason to go into the portal.
His MO needs exceptions. He must get with the reality of what college basketball now is. Change or get passed by.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 09, 2025, 11:40:03 AMHis MO needs exceptions. He must get with the reality of what college basketball now is. Change or get passed by.
If you are that convinced that is what he should do, you absolutely
must find a way to get your message to him face-to-face. Go for it!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 11:47:36 AMIf you are that convinced that is what he should do, you absolutely must find a way to get your message to him face-to-face. Go for it!
And drop the bag for the player
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 09:53:34 AMNice post! Your wording regarding Shaka's M.O. is the best I have seen. He has not ruled out transfers but has made it clear that HS recruiting and development of them is his preference. I would not be shocked to see him bring in a transfer at some point in the future but there is no hurry until his M.O. needs an "exception". And of course, portal pushers have been quick to use this season's "valley" as a reason to go into the portal.
I agree, JAM said it well.
I have stated I'm concerned about next year. BUT, Shaka knows the stats and he sees the team daily. He has been around high level players his entire professional career. He knows what he has left over in that locker room after this season. He is one competitive dude. He will use the portal if he thinks he needs it to field a legitimately competitive team. My feeling is that may happen this offseason. I also think 1-2 players leave on their own accord that will allow Shaka to do this without breaking his recruiting pledge. I am open to being really wrong.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 09, 2025, 08:36:05 AMAgain, I do hope that Shaka does look at the portal for a one or two year big this off-season. I do like Ben, but I just think he struggles with the physicality and is better as more of a "stretch 4" type of player. I doubt Caedin will be ready, and Clark is too much of an unknown. And who knows about Al.
I thought the same two years ago, that our rotation would have been well-served even by a "Jayce Johnson type" who could play 15-20 minutes, grab some boards, block some shots and use his fouls. And I agree that would be welcome again next season.
But I've also learned to trust Shaka on most things because he has not given me reason to do otherwise. He has been great for the program, and I've really enjoyed his time at Marquette. It's been fun to have buddies from all around the country get into MU hoops again after they had drifted away post-Hausershima.
It doesn't mean he's perfect or that he's above criticism or suggestions. You and I have made suggestions right here, and they are reasonable IMHO. It just means that those calling for a big-time revision to how he runs the program are probably unreasonable, uninformed and myopic.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 11:47:36 AMIf you are that convinced that is what he should do, you absolutely must find a way to get your message to him face-to-face. Go for it!
I di believe it. He has not invited me to any face to face discussions. Perhaps with your inside help you could make this happen. Go for it.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 09, 2025, 10:37:54 AMTalent is not as good next year, so it makes total sense to bring in a seasoned scorer or a big. Grad transfer unless some players leave.
How do you know? The talent was perceived to be so lacking going into the 2022-23 season that Big East coaches predicted we'd finish 9th. (F--- 'em!) There was plenty of teeth-gnashing here about TK not being a good enough PG, Oso not being a good enough 5, OMax being too out of control, and about there being no proven role players.
Obviously, we don't know if next season will turn out as 2022-23 did. I certainly wouldn't predict it. But the certainty you have is quite impressive given all you don't know.
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1899499860492967961?t=8xmP0uD33qQavqdMiaPvpg&s=19
How about a short walk down the road?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 11, 2025, 12:10:55 PMhttps://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1899499860492967961?t=8xmP0uD33qQavqdMiaPvpg&s=19
How about a short walk down the road?
Why would he transfer to Concordia? Guessing he wants to move up a level.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 11, 2025, 12:18:51 PMWhy would he transfer to Concordia? Guessing he wants to move up a level.
Seems like he's great in small gyms. Similar to Joplin. Would be a great fit at Concordia
This guy shot 44% from 3, with that athleticism, wow.
Surprised this is the 1st I've seen or heard of him. I'm sure every blue blood will be all over this.
https://x.com/PDTScouting/status/1901695235018891526?t=J7IBboD8bfvK-pdwqoHvRg&s=19
Well, predictably, it seems like Iowa fans jumped the gun and Owen Freeman sounds to be deciding between Michigan and Gonzaga. But the real doozy on discord is there's tons of smoke that Braden Smith is testing the portal waters.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 17, 2025, 06:05:09 PMThis guy shot 44% from 3, with that athleticism, wow.
Surprised this is the 1st I've seen or heard of him. I'm sure every blue blood will be all over this.
https://x.com/PDTScouting/status/1901695235018891526?t=J7IBboD8bfvK-pdwqoHvRg&s=19
He took more long 2s in that 2 minute video then our entire team has taken in the past three seasons. Literally
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 09, 2025, 11:47:36 AMIf you are that convinced that is what he should do, you absolutely must find a way to get your message to him face-to-face. Go for it!
I am glad for your concern for my messages. Wish you could be whispering in Shaka's ear because we all know that he would listen to you. BTW, eventually Shaka will wake up. It may already be too late.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2025, 10:07:53 AMI am glad for your concern for my messages. Wish you could be whispering in Shaka's ear because we all know that he would listen to you. BTW, eventually Shaka will wake up. It may already be too late.
Shaka has 2 top 2 seeds, a BE title, a BE Tournament title, and is the second highest seed in the BE this year in 4 years here. Shaka's doing fine. You're just a baby.
When looking at teams using the portal, it is important to only look at the teams doing better than Marquette. Never look at teams doing the same or worse.
Please ignore teams like Kansas, Gonzaga, Xavier, Indiana, Kansas State, Georgetown, Providence, etc.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2025, 10:07:53 AMI am glad for your concern for my messages. Wish you could be whispering in Shaka's ear because we all know that he would listen to you. BTW, eventually Shaka will wake up. It may already be too late.
Get woke, go broke.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 18, 2025, 12:24:07 PMShaka has 2 top 2 seeds, a BE title, a BE Tournament title, and is the second highest seed in the BE this year in 4 years here. Shaka's doing fine. You're just a baby.
agreed, 100% (although I feel we wasted those two 2-seedings) However, this years MU team, in a weak BE aside from StJ's, is not on a positive trend. Should MU have the higher seed over UConn and Creighton?...regardless, I feel Shaka's recruiting approach needs to adjust to include the portal. And, maybe it has. Who knows? But, and making the assumption StJ's under RickyP is the benchmark...Hurley too, I don't think relying on HS recruits and taking fliers on bigs will duplicate past success as the top dogs reload. Agree or disagree w/WillieWarrior, but he does understand that status quo doesn't win big.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 12:48:39 PMagreed, 100% (although I feel we wasted those two 2-seedings) However, this years MU team, in a weak BE aside from StJ's, is not on a positive trend. Should MU have the higher seed over UConn and Creighton?...regardless, I feel Shaka's recruiting approach needs to adjust to include the portal. And, maybe it has. Who knows? But, and making the assumption StJ's under RickyP is the benchmark...Hurley too, I don't think relying on HS recruits and taking fliers on bigs will duplicate past success as the top dogs reload. Agree or disagree w/WillieWarrior, but he does understand that status quo doesn't win big.
Joyless willie certainly understands the importance of calling Marquette athletes names and thinking he knows more about our program than our coach does.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 18, 2025, 12:24:07 PMShaka has 2 top 2 seeds, a BE title, a BE Tournament title, and is the second highest seed in the BE this year in 4 years here. Shaka's doing fine. You're just a baby.
Guess you missed how Shaka finished this season. Weakest since year 1. You are not doing fine, and your name calling trash talk needs major upgrading.
If by weakest you mean he's only won 24 games with 13 coming in the regular season conference play rather than the 27 and 14 or 29 and 17 of the previous two years, then you are technically correct. I know a lot of programs that would would love a 24 win season that extends their tournament streak to 4, while keeping the tournament appearance percentage at 100%.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 18, 2025, 01:29:37 PMIf by weakest you mean he's only won 24 games with 13 coming in the regular season conference play rather than the 27 and 14 or 29 and 17 of the previous two years, then you are technically correct. I know a lot of programs that would would love a 24 win season that extends their tournament streak to 4, while keeping the tournament appearance percentage at 100%.
past success doesn't necessarily guarantee future success. You can see the trend. Don't you agree that if it's status quo in terms of recruiting and retention, we'll ultimately end up with new steak knives at year end rather than Cadillacs. Some folks are ok with that.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 12:48:39 PMagreed, 100% (although I feel we wasted those two 2-seedings) However, this years MU team, in a weak BE aside from StJ's, is not on a positive trend. Should MU have the higher seed over UConn and Creighton?...regardless, I feel Shaka's recruiting approach needs to adjust to include the portal. And, maybe it has. Who knows? But, and making the assumption StJ's under RickyP is the benchmark...Hurley too, I don't think relying on HS recruits and taking fliers on bigs will duplicate past success as the top dogs reload. Agree or disagree w/WillieWarrior, but he does understand that status quo doesn't win big.
St. John's has had 1 (ONE) season of really high-level success so far.
UConn is a blue blood but has a lower seed than Marquette this year.
And you're talking about a negative trend for Marquette after 2 (TWO) seeds? Also, typically one season does not constitute a trend.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:14:54 PMpast success doesn't necessarily guarantee future success. You can see the trend. Don't you agree that if it's status quo in terms of recruiting and retention, we'll ultimately end up with new steak knives at year end rather than Cadillacs. Some folks are ok with that.
Trend? They were a two seed just last year. Are you under the impression that programs don't ever take a step back?
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:14:54 PMpast success doesn't necessarily guarantee future success. You can see the trend. Don't you agree that if it's status quo in terms of recruiting and retention, we'll ultimately end up with new steak knives at year end rather than Cadillacs. Some folks are ok with that.
This is comical.
Somehow one year of success for St. John's is clearly a guarantee of future success for them because they use the portal.
Yet ONE season for Marquette, where they were still comfortably in the tourney as a 7 seed, is somehow a trend, apparently because Shaka likely wont use the portal.
Really great stuff.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:14:54 PMpast success doesn't necessarily guarantee future success. You can see the trend. Don't you agree that if it's status quo in terms of recruiting and retention, we'll ultimately end up with new steak knives at year end rather than Cadillacs. Some folks are ok with that.
I'm not sure you took the right takeaways from Glengarry Glen Ross.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 18, 2025, 02:35:17 PMI'm not sure you took the right takeaways from Glengarry Glen Ross.
See, that was funny right there!
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:14:54 PMpast success doesn't necessarily guarantee future success. You can see the trend.
A trend of 20+ win seasons ending with tournament appearances? That's the only trend I see.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:14:54 PMDon't you agree that if it's status quo in terms of recruiting and retention, we'll ultimately end up with new steak knives at year end rather than Cadillacs.
If it continues to work, it will continue to happen. It has continued to work so far, if that changes, either Shaka will change or he will gain critics here. Until That happens, yes
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:14:54 PMSome folks are ok with that.
and they should be.
It's like performance comedy. Or suspension of reality. Can't decide which applies more.
And I'm one who does think that yes, it might ultimately be the case that Shaka's recruit/develop/retain strategy might not be able to succeed in this new reality.
I just don't get why folks can't trust our very successful coach until it's actually proven that his way won't work.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 18, 2025, 02:35:17 PMI'm not sure you took the right takeaways from Glengarry Glen Ross.
great flick. You caught where I was going, yes?
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 18, 2025, 02:37:44 PMA trend of 20+ win seasons ending with tournament appearances? That's the only trend I see.If it continues to work, it will continue to happen. It has continued to work so far, if that changes, either Shaka will change or he will gain critics here. Until That happens, yesand they should be.
so, I should be? You are telling me I should be satisfied with the current level of success? Really? Now that's COLE.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 18, 2025, 02:23:23 PMTrend? They were a two seed just last year. Are you under the impression that programs don't ever take a step back?
step back...but we never really got that far forward. Sure, compared to the Wojo years, but can't there be sustained success? And, things are changing within the sport at light speed. Maybe Shaka is going to change/adjust too.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 18, 2025, 02:25:50 PMThis is comical.
Somehow one year of success for St. John's is clearly a guarantee of future success for them because they use the portal.
Yet ONE season for Marquette, where they were still comfortably in the tourney as a 7 seed, is somehow a trend, apparently because Shaka likely wont use the portal.
Really great stuff.
offering nothing, as usual, says Vander, from the folks house. Don't you have to be 18 to play here, kiddo?
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:53:29 PMso, I should be? You are telling me I should be satisfied with the current level of success? Really? Now that's COLE.
Okay and satisfied are different things. You can be okay with 20+ win seasons, BE Title, BET titles, AA, NBA draft picks, and a 100% NCAA Tournament appearance rate and still not be satisfied and want more. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
Questioning the methods that got all that success and wanting to implement a different roster building philosophy that spits in the face of that which got you the above success, certainly is a choice.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:53:29 PMso, I should be? You are telling me I should be satisfied with the current level of success? Really? Now that's COLE.
No. You should be satisfied that Shaka has shown to be a very good basketball coach. He has lead the program to just its second BE title, first BET title, and the highest tournament seeds that we have seen in over a generation.
You are making the mistake in thinking that progress is linear, and that any step back is a negative "trend" versus understanding this is generally how it goes in college basketball. For instance, for a guy who is obsessed about UW and Greg Gard, look at the ups and downs that he has had? Or Jay Wright?
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 18, 2025, 02:59:44 PMOkay and satisfied are different things. You can be okay with 20+ win seasons, BE Title, BET titles, AA, NBA draft picks, and a 100% NCAA Tournament appearance rate and still not be satisfied and want more. The two ideas are not mutually exclusive.
Questioning the methods that got all that success and wanting to implement a different roster building philosophy that spits in the face of that which got you the above success, certainly is a choice.
I'll try to summarize...happy with Shaka progression seasons 1-3.Absolutely. A coming in from the wilderness. This year, to date, not as much. Not a bad year by any means, but the later part of the season results were attention getting. Spit in face, your words, seems extreme. Rather, I see how the college basketball landscape is changing, and w/Duke being an exception, I agree with Rick Pitino when he said winning big with HS recruits isn't likely. Hence, status quo and winning big, I'm not so sure. I've always felt MU can have sustained, Jay Wright success. Maybe we yet will.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:58:31 PMoffering nothing, as usual, says Vander, from the folks house. Don't you have to be 18 to play here, kiddo?
Simply pointing out how your opinions on Marquette vs some other Big East schools are completely illogical.
You don't even understand what constitutes a "trend".
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 03:20:21 PMI'll try to summarize...happy with Shaka progression seasons 1-3.Absolutely. A coming in from the wilderness. This year, to date, not as much. Not a bad year by any means, but the later part of the season results were attention getting. Spit in face, your words, seems extreme. Rather, I see how the college basketball landscape is changing, and w/Duke being an exception, I agree with Rick Pitino when he said winning big with HS recruits isn't likely. Hence, status quo and winning big, I'm not so sure. I've always felt MU can have sustained, Jay Wright success. Maybe we yet will.
I, and more importantly, Shaka, fully disagree with you. Further, a team of HS developed players made it to the Championship game literally a year ago, so it's not exactly like there's no precedent of success for the model Shaka is pursuing.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:50:50 PMgreat flick. You caught where I was going, yes?
Move away from the provencode you live by in order to get ahead at any cost? Shaka kinda already tried that at Texas with not great results.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 18, 2025, 03:25:25 PMI, and more importantly, Shaka, fully disagree with you. Further, a team of HS developed players made it to the Championship game literally a year ago, so it's not exactly like there's no precedent of success for the model Shaka is pursuing.
you know Shaka? You know him and thus know how he operates, his thoughts and opinions? That's great, man. I stand corrected on my own thoughts on the subject. Carry on.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 03:37:52 PMyou know Shaka? You know him and thus know how he operates, his thoughts and opinions? That's great, man. I stand corrected on my own thoughts on the subject. Carry on.
It's good that you can admit you're wrong.
I've never heard of any of these transfer portal guys you all are talking about.
I personally don't care how Shaka builds MU's roster, be it thru the portal or HS recruits. What I would like to see are recruits who can hold their own in the physical Big East and not get slaughtered on the glass. Also some knockdown 3 pt shooters if the offensive emphasis is predominately 3 pt shots. We need a more diverse scoring team. Right now if we are not hitting 3's no recourse. Defensively our guys always seem to have a size disadvantage.
Maybe Shaka can someday recruit a roster that could be competitive in the Big East.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 18, 2025, 02:59:44 PMQuestioning the methods that got all that success and wanting to implement a different roster building philosophy that spits in the face of that which got you the above success, certainly is a choice.
I think you're forgetting that much of the success of the first three seasons was dependent on transfers.
It's not that people want Shaka to implement a *different* roster building philosophy. They want him to stick with the one that actually brought success his first 3 seasons at MU.
Or given that he's going to change regardless, stop trying to pretend that this new philosophy is what brought the past success.
We may well win a league title again in the future under this new philosophy--but the last time we did win a title it was with transfers Kolek and Prosper playing big roles on the team.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 18, 2025, 04:30:13 PMMaybe Shaka can someday recruit a roster that could be competitive in the Big East.
Three of his five best players at MU were Wojo recruits.
/ducks
So maybe we trust that Shaka knows when he needs to hit the portal and when he doesn't? I don't know.
Quote from: The Equalizer on March 18, 2025, 04:31:21 PMI think you're forgetting that much of the success of the first three seasons was dependent on transfers.
It's not that people want Shaka to implement a *different* roster building philosophy. They want him to stick with the one that actually brought success his first 3 seasons at MU.
Or given that he's going to change regardless, stop trying to pretend that this new philosophy is what brought the past success.
We may well win a league title again in the future under this new philosophy--but the last time we did win a title it was with transfers Kolek and Prosper playing big roles on the team.
Shaka's philosophy has not changed since he's gotten here. I've posted many times that he is not "anti-transfer". I think you may mis-understand my post.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 18, 2025, 04:35:20 PMSo maybe we trust that Shaka knows when he needs to hit the portal and when he doesn't? I don't know.
maybe, maybe not. As I posted prior, I feel what Shaka has done...which is definitely good...should be expected annually. We are Marquette, damn it. Great school, facilities, budget, basketball history & tradition. I see no roadblocks to being a Jay Wright- 'Nova. But maybe that's just me.
Comedy gold
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 05:02:03 PMmaybe, maybe not. As I posted prior, I feel what Shaka has done...which is definitely good...should be expected annually. We are Marquette, damn it. Great school, facilities, budget, basketball history & tradition. I see no roadblocks to being a Jay Wright- 'Nova. But maybe that's just me.
We had never in the history, such a storied, incredible history, as you just said, received a seed higher than 3 prior to Shaka. And now we should expect that every single year? Sure.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 03:20:21 PMI'll try to summarize...happy with Shaka progression seasons 1-3.Absolutely. A coming in from the wilderness. This year, to date, not as much. Not a bad year by any means, but the later part of the season results were attention getting. Spit in face, your words, seems extreme. Rather, I see how the college basketball landscape is changing, and w/Duke being an exception, I agree with Rick Pitino when he said winning big with HS recruits isn't likely. Hence, status quo and winning big, I'm not so sure. I've always felt MU can have sustained, Jay Wright success. Maybe we yet will.
Doubt it about sustained success like Wright. He got out of the game because he saw the direction it was going. Shaka does not want to negotiate with agents, which is fine and I admire him for his position. But he needs to up grade the roster with shooters and bangers, so hope he has a magic wand.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 02:56:27 PMcan't there be sustained success?
We've won 23 games, we've been a no-doubt NCAAT team all season, we're the second-highest seeded Big East team in the dance ... and, as a bonus, we've given you a win over RED so you don't have to defer to your douchenozzle BIL.
In other words, success has been sustained.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2025, 05:06:21 PMDoubt it about sustained success like Wright. He got out of the game because he saw the direction it was going. Shaka does not want to negotiate with agents, which is fine and I admire him for his position. But he needs to up grade the roster with shooters and bangers, so hope he has a magic wand.
So a wizard from Harry Potter
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 18, 2025, 09:13:24 PMSo a wizard from Harry Potter
Unlike your wizard status established in the 🚻 that is bathroom
99% of the people on this board have chosen to not respond to his written vomit...getting to 100% would be great. In a very divisive world, we can all agree he's crazy. Just move along.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 19, 2025, 06:42:06 AM99% of the people on this board have chosen to not respond to his written vomit...getting to 100% would be great. In a very divisive world, we can all agree he's crazy. Just move along.
That is non-specific.
Quote from: avid1010 on March 19, 2025, 06:42:06 AM99% of the people on this board have chosen to not respond to his written vomit...getting to 100% would be great. In a very divisive world, we can all agree he's crazy. Just move along.
Wingdings has been a fan since women knew their place and segregation was still the law of the land.
He brings incredible knowledge about human orifices and even more incredibly clever nicknames to coaches and players.
This is the kind of insight that Lobos fans are procuring as they scroll this board to learn about Marquette and its fans. It has to be comforting to them reading his posts.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2025, 07:06:10 AMWingdings has been a fan since women knew their place and segregation was still the law of the land.
He brings incredible knowledge about human orifices and even more incredibly clever nicknames to coaches and players.
This is the kind of insight that Lobos fans are procuring as they scroll this board to learn about Marquette and its fans. It has to be comforting to them reading his posts.
To his credit, he has also established himself as Scoop's most prominent voice when it comes to male gentialia. Now with the added bonus of posting his musings at all hours of the night. Priceless insights for Lobo fans.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2025, 03:49:54 AMUnlike your wizard status established in the 🚻 that is bathroom
See ya wee little Willie!
Quote from: RJax55 on March 19, 2025, 07:15:54 AMTo his credit, he has also established himself as Scoop's most prominent voice when it comes to male gentialia. Now with the added bonus of posting his musings at all hours of the night. Priceless insights for Lobo fans.
I just assumed he was both a proctologist and urologist
Quote from: willie warrior on March 18, 2025, 10:07:53 AMI am glad for your concern for my messages. Wish you could be whispering in Shaka's ear because we all know that he would listen to you. BTW, eventually Shaka will wake up. It may already be too late.
You responded to my post twice in a short period of time, so either I rattled your cage or you may be in the early stages of dementia. I'm going with the second one. That would explain why it may already be too late for you.
Scoopers, your vote? Rattled or dementia?
Malik Reneau from iu to portal
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 19, 2025, 09:41:13 AMMalik Reneau from iu to portal
I was amused that in his announcement he (more likely his agent) gave the wrong name of the school: "University of Indiana."
Quote from: RJax55 on March 19, 2025, 07:15:54 AMTo his credit, he has also established himself as Scoop's most prominent voice when it comes to male gentialia. Now with the added bonus of posting his musings at all hours of the night. Priceless insights for Lobo fans.
And even more so he has established himself as the soothsayer of MU basketball even though that are blinded by their MU Fandom that they cannot recognize them that are brought up by him. Rather they would prefer to be a numbnuts and try to use insults Like water off a ducks back. Water thrown by dorks. Their opinion is the only one that matters to them. And you and they know who those people are
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2025, 10:17:50 AMAnd even more so he has established himself as the soothsayer of MU basketball even though that are blinded by their MU Fandom that they cannot recognize them that are brought up by him. Rather they would prefer to be a numbnuts and try to use insults Like water off a ducks back. Water thrown by dorks. Their opinion is the only one that matters to them. And you and they know who those people are
Yes. You are the voice in the wilderness.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 19, 2025, 10:33:15 AMYes. You are the voice in the wilderness.
The howling wolf.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 19, 2025, 10:33:15 AMYes. You are the voice in the wilderness.
The lack of self-awareness is truly something to behold
We are Mar Quette!
So to move this more on topic--do we think Reneau would be a good fit here?
I have watched him for two years. I would characterize him as inconsistent across the board.
Attitude/Effort
Defense.
Offense.
IU bogged down when Woodson tried to play him and Ballo together. He just isn't a stretch 4.
Having said all that, when dialed in, he is a gifted scorer, a low post presence, and most importantly, left handed. He is a big body, but I don't know that he is the solution for Ejiofor.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2025, 03:49:54 AMUnlike your wizard status established in the 🚻 that is bathroom
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edit: All of this is nonsense.
https://x.com/RealRobReinhart/status/1902406065246912809?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Bryce Hopkins into the portal. That initial list of teams that have reached out is, interesting.
Quote from: Viper on March 18, 2025, 05:02:03 PMI feel what Shaka has done...which is definitely good...should be expected annually.
And thankfully, he is delivering annually. Or maybe you didn't hear that we are in the NCAA Tournament again for the fourth straight year? If you missed that ... we are a 7 seed.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2025, 12:13:03 PMGlad to hear that you pay attention to my posts. Judging to what you mentioned, it is obvious you are fixated on male genitalia and have missed many points of other posts. But that is OK, we now know what really turns you on. Keep watching, maybe you will get lucky again. BTW, is a mans kielbasa
sa considered genitalia? Just asking the expert.
This post will be in the Webster dictionary under "Irony."
Quote from: wadesworld on March 19, 2025, 12:18:33 PMThis post will be in the Webster dictionary under "Irony."
It's art
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 19, 2025, 12:15:26 PMhttps://x.com/RealRobReinhart/status/1902406065246912809?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Bryce Hopkins into the portal. That initial list of teams that have reached out is, interesting.
He should know ABD.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 19, 2025, 12:55:45 PMHe should know ABD.
He has St. John's written all over himself.....
Quote from: burger on March 19, 2025, 01:00:47 PMHe has St. John's written all over himself.....
Or the Hoyas. Especially if Sorber returns.
On his third attempt Bryce Hopkins FINALLY successfully enters the transfer portal.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 19, 2025, 01:09:09 PMOr the Hoyas. Especially if Sorber returns.
Hoyas a dumb enough to want him. St John's isn't
Interesting that Hopkins has "DO NOT CONTACT". Must know where he wants to go already.
Quote from: 100AcreNation on March 19, 2025, 01:14:19 PMInteresting that Hopkins has "DO NOT CONTACT". Must know where he wants to go already.
Herm contacted him anyway, and Hopkins told Herm he wants to play for an excellent team.
Quote from: burger on March 19, 2025, 01:00:47 PMHe has St. John's written all over himself.....
Don't know. Is he willing to play defense at the level Pitino expects?
some potentially intriguing international prospects moving up for mid-majors:
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1902046754209513608
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1901730349425848761
Size and shooting ability from deep. Maybe Travis being an Italian league legend could help with the second guy.
BTW, I am not telling Shaka he needs to be active in the portal, but if he were, these two could potentially be good fits at MU.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 19, 2025, 01:09:09 PMOr the Hoyas. Especially if Sorber returns.
First round pick likely, no way he comes back for funsies.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 19, 2025, 12:15:26 PMhttps://x.com/RealRobReinhart/status/1902406065246912809?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Bryce Hopkins into the portal. That initial list of teams that have reached out is, interesting.
That account is a PC burner account - yes Hopkins is going into portal, but he has no contact and Borzello tweeted Hopkins staying in BE.
Always remember Simon Charles and Rob Reinhart are PC burners.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 19, 2025, 10:17:50 AMAnd even more so he has established himself as the soothsayer of MU basketball even though that are blinded by their MU Fandom that they cannot recognize them that are brought up by him. Rather they would prefer to be a numbnuts and try to use insults Like water off a ducks back. Water thrown by dorks. Their opinion is the only one that matters to them. And you and they know who those people are
Definitely dementia
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status/1902471778930454790?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on March 19, 2025, 04:35:56 PMhttps://x.com/travisbranham_/status/1902471778930454790?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Our Aircraft carrier!!
https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1902440150824518020?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2025, 07:06:10 AMWingdings has been a fan since women knew their place and segregation was still the law of the land.
He brings incredible knowledge about human orifices and even more incredibly clever nicknames to coaches and players.
This is the kind of insight that Lobos fans are procuring as they scroll this board to learn about Marquette and its fans. It has to be comforting to them reading his posts.
This post made me wonder if some posters would make more sense if they only posted using the Wingdings font.
Quote from: forgetful on March 19, 2025, 08:56:13 PMThis post made me wonder if some posters would make more sense if they only posted using the Wingdings font.
Willard, yes
Quote from: MuMark on March 19, 2025, 08:52:27 PMhttps://x.com/247hshoops/status/1902440150824518020?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Is th the guy who made it possible for us to beat DePaul by casually losing his dribble into the backcourt?
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 12:30:18 AMIs th the guy who made it possible for us to beat DePaul by casually losing his dribble into the backcourt?
Thanks for posting this. I could not
believe our good fortune when we were so close to a very embarrassing loss. We should have given the guy the SOTG.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 20, 2025, 08:44:32 AMThanks for posting this. I could not believe our good fortune when we were so close to a very embarrassing loss. We should have given the guy the SOTG.
Didn't cover, no SOTG
Austin Herro in the portal.
Maybe the Hausers will sign off on bringing him to Marquette.
https://x.com/portal_updates/status/1902771681690542248?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on March 20, 2025, 12:28:34 PMhttps://x.com/portal_updates/status/1902771681690542248?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Wow that's impressive, we could use a guy like that
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 20, 2025, 12:40:43 PMWow that's impressive, we could use a guy like that
Shaka just isn't interested in these type of guys.
Quote from: MuMark on March 20, 2025, 12:28:34 PMhttps://x.com/portal_updates/status/1902771681690542248?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
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Finally, a transfer who fits the culture.
Quote from: MuMark on March 20, 2025, 12:28:34 PMhttps://x.com/portal_updates/status/1902771681690542248?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Aircraft Carrier material
Is Sean in the portal??
Quote from: MuMark on March 20, 2025, 12:28:34 PMhttps://x.com/portal_updates/status/1902771681690542248?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Bag Drop
If he wasn't a former MU player, more than a few Scoopers would look at his height and his stats, and they'd complain that Shaka wasn't pursuing him.
Still getting used to the fact that every player with a pulse not only announces when they leave but when they aren't leaving......lol
https://x.com/ryan_mela/status/1902796216108265691?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 02:04:39 PMIf he wasn't a former MU player, more than a few Scoopers would look at his height and his stats, and they'd complain that Shaka wasn't pursuing him.
maybe NKy should be our minor league program...recall Itejere, send down Hamilton for a year 🤣
Every player with a pulse should go into the portal to see the schools NIL program, NCAA has ruined college ball or get some guidelines on what is going on. Every decent mid major will be in the portal for sure!
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 02:43:28 PMEvery player with a pulse should go into the portal to see the schools NIL program, NCAA has ruined college ball or get some guidelines on what is going on. Every decent mid major will be in the portal for sure!
god forbid the players get paid!
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 02:43:28 PMEvery player with a pulse should go into the portal to see the schools NIL program, NCAA has ruined college ball or get some guidelines on what is going on. Every decent mid major will be in the portal for sure!
Absolutely, the mid majors are only the minor league for the major schools.
Their best players get called up to the major league.
The new JUCO.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 02:43:28 PMEvery player with a pulse should go into the portal to see the schools NIL program, NCAA has ruined college ball or get some guidelines on what is going on. Every decent mid major will be in the portal for sure!
How is it "ruined" and how is the NCAA responsible?
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 02:43:28 PMEvery player with a pulse should go into the portal to see the schools NIL program, NCAA has ruined college ball or get some guidelines on what is going on. Every decent mid major will be in the portal for sure!
I assure you, it was not the NCAAs idea to institute NIL. lmao
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 20, 2025, 03:00:06 PMI assure you, it was not the NCAAs idea to institute NIL. lmao
Pitino is totally right, why recruit high school kids, all about money
While the transfer portal and NIL do seem to go hand in hand, I wonder what percentage of kids that transfer get little to no NIL money.
I'm willing to bet it's a significant majority.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on March 20, 2025, 02:44:41 PMgod forbid the players get paid!
The problem isn't players getting paid. That's awesome.
The problem is that the NCAA lacked the foresight to see this was inevitable and, as a result, the system is chaos.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2025, 03:43:48 PMThe problem isn't players getting paid. That's awesome.
The problem is that the NCAA lacked the foresight to see this was inevitable and, as a result, the system is chaos.
Counterpoint: the system is fine.
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 20, 2025, 03:40:15 PMWhile the transfer portal and NIL do seem to go hand in hand, I wonder what percentage of kids that transfer get little to no NIL money.
I'm willing to bet it's a significant majority.
Every player at MU gets 6 figures
Source of this information?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2025, 03:46:32 PMCounterpoint: the system is fine.
Counterpoint: sports with a salary cap are better than those without, and have more parity.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 03:51:27 PMEvery player at MU gets 6 figures
May be true, but this doesn't really address my question at all
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 20, 2025, 04:12:52 PMCounterpoint: sports with a salary cap are better than those without, and have more parity.
Sure. I didn't say it was perfect. I said it was fine.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2025, 03:46:32 PMCounterpoint: the system is fine.
Fine is subjective, I suppose.
A system in which teams have to bail on games because too many players are in the portal; or in which players are being bought away from a program while their team is still playing meaningful games; or when players leave midseason because of an NIL dispute, isn't fine. It's broken.
Again, 100% for the players getting paid. But the system right now is a mess.
Somehow CFB is thriving and the NCAA Tournament is still massive.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 03:38:07 PMPitino is totally right, why recruit high school kids, all about money
That may be right for Pitino. It may not be right for other coaches. Just like there were more ways than one to win big prior to NIL and no sit transfers (one and done freshman at Duke, get old and stay old at Nova), there will be multiple ways to win now. Pitino is winning with transfers. MU is winning without transfers. UConn has won the last 2 titles mainly by recruiting high school athletes and developing them, and then adding a high level transfer to fill a need.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 02:43:28 PMEvery player with a pulse should go into the portal to see the schools NIL program, NCAA has ruined college ball or get some guidelines on what is going on. Every decent mid major will be in the portal for sure!
Or they can get money where they are, and like where they are. Kids have different motivations, and should do what they feel is best for themselves.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 20, 2025, 05:22:06 PMSomehow CFB is thriving and the NCAA Tournament is still massive.
A bad system of player movement and good TV ratings aren't mutually exclusive.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2025, 05:03:02 PMFine is subjective, I suppose.
A system in which teams have to bail on games because too many players are in the portal; or in which players are being bought away from a program while their team is still playing meaningful games; or when players leave midseason because of an NIL dispute, isn't fine. It's broken.
Again, 100% for the players getting paid. But the system right now is a mess.
It's largely fine. You're being swayed by the outliers.
Why can't we have these be multiple year contracts where both parties are forced to commit for more in years and dollars
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 20, 2025, 07:02:38 PMWhy can't we have these be multiple year contracts where both parties are forced to commit for more in years and dollars
They're not employees.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 20, 2025, 07:13:17 PMThey're not employees.
Don't have to be an employee to enter into a contract.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 03:38:07 PMPitino is totally right, why recruit high school kids, all about money
Because he is lazy
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 20, 2025, 07:39:40 PMDon't have to be an employee to enter into a contract.
I guess you didn't really read courts decisions, and I'm sure schools don't want them as employees
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 20, 2025, 07:02:38 PMWhy can't we have these be multiple year contracts where both parties are forced to commit for more in years and dollars
As soon as coaches stick to their 3-year or 5-year or 10-year or lifetime contracts, we can talk about rules to limit the mobility of players who finally won the right to freedom of movement.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2025, 05:03:02 PMplayers are being bought away from a program while their team is still playing meaningful games
The McNeese State coach was bought away while his team is in the NCAA Tournament.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 20, 2025, 05:03:02 PMFine is subjective, I suppose.
A system in which teams have to bail on games because too many players are in the portal; or in which players are being bought away from a program while their team is still playing meaningful games; or when players leave midseason because of an NIL dispute, isn't fine. It's broken.
Again, 100% for the players getting paid. But the system right now is a mess.
I think it absolutely is a sliding scale of subjectivity. I think too many people, some in the media and some in the social media space, anchor completely on "ITS GOOD THAT KIDS ARE GETTING PAID" and few any critiques of the system as some Boomer BACK IN MY DAY hating on the new NIL world. Multiple coaches (Kiffin, a west coast guy I don't recall) have said its good but the way its shaken out is a disaster and people jumped to "rich coaches don't like not having power" which is stupid and myopic.
I think you can say its chaos and Sultan can say its "fine but needs improvement" and both are correct and on the same general page. I mean, NIL in theory wasn't intended to be schools paying players a package to come play, though anyone with a brain could see it coming that way in the near future. But the NCAA/powers that be didn't have the forethought so now its a mess. Its not just outliers, there are numerous examples of schools not fulfilling financial promises and players feeling mislead by offers. Not to mention the "NIL agents" who are just leeching off of guys.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 20, 2025, 07:50:37 PMI guess you didn't really read courts decisions, and I'm sure schools don't want them as employees
You are correct, I have not and will not read the ruling. Not important enough to me. But, I will take your word for it, so admit my comment was not valid.
I was speaking in general, there is nothing to preclude any 18 year old from entering into a contract with Marquette University for services.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 20, 2025, 08:54:11 PMI think it absolutely is a sliding scale of subjectivity. I think too many people, some in the media and some in the social media space, anchor completely on "ITS GOOD THAT KIDS ARE GETTING PAID" and few any critiques of the system as some Boomer BACK IN MY DAY hating on the new NIL world. Multiple coaches (Kiffin, a west coast guy I don't recall) have said its good but the way its shaken out is a disaster and people jumped to "rich coaches don't like not having power" which is stupid and myopic.
I think you can say its chaos and Sultan can say its "fine but needs improvement" and both are correct and on the same general page. I mean, NIL in theory wasn't intended to be schools paying players a package to come play, though anyone with a brain could see it coming that way in the near future. But the NCAA/powers that be didn't have the forethought so now its a mess. Its not just outliers, there are numerous examples of schools not fulfilling financial promises and players feeling mislead by offers. Not to mention the "NIL agents" who are just leeching off of guys.
There are thousands of basketball players in D1, and you say there are "numerous" examples?
In other words...outliers.
Look I'm not saying it can't be improved but by and large the system is working. It's certainly not "chaos."
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 20, 2025, 08:57:04 PMYou are correct, I have not and will not read the ruling. Not important enough to me. But, I will take your word for it, so admit my comment was not valid.
I was speaking in general, there is nothing to preclude any 18 year old from entering into a contract with Marquette University for services.
Yes but then schools will be responsible for SS %, depending on State vacation time, and other issues maybe medical at some States, way too complicated. Think about football teams, 50 contracts minimum probably, I know we don't worry about that but most schools would have to deal with it.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 20, 2025, 03:38:07 PMPitino is totally right, why recruit high school kids, all about money
Pitino's comment reminds me of the 1 and Done approach. It might work for some.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on March 20, 2025, 10:10:25 PMPitino's comment reminds me of the 1 and Done approach. It might work for some.
Yep.
When freshmen were allowed to play, it was gonna ruin college basketball.
When players started leaving early due to "hardship," it was gonna ruin college basketball.
When the best players were going straight from HS to the NBA, it was gonna ruin college basketball.
When it seemed every good player was a 1-and-done, it was gonna ruin college basketball.
Now, the fact that players can get paid and have freedom of movement, it's gonna ruin college basketball.
But here we all are, watching college basketball fanatically.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 20, 2025, 07:02:38 PMWhy can't we have these be multiple year contracts where both parties are forced to commit for more in years and dollars
See Xavier Lucas and Wisconsin. Signed a multi-year NIL deal, and they are trying to block his transfer and accused Miami of tampering. So it can be done.
Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2025, 10:24:30 PMSee Xavier Lucas and Wisconsin. Signed a multi-year NIL deal, and they are trying to block his transfer and accused Miami of tampering. So it can be done.
"On Jan. 7, Lucas and his family hired Heitner to represent Lucas in his battle against Wisconsin. Heitner also serves as an adjunct professor of NIL at the University of Miami School of Law. He argued that Wisconsin was violating NCAA rules by not putting Lucas into the transfer portal, calling it "an illegal restraint.""
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 20, 2025, 10:45:40 PM"On Jan. 7, Lucas and his family hired Heitner to represent Lucas in his battle against Wisconsin. Heitner also serves as an adjunct professor of NIL at the University of Miami School of Law. He argued that Wisconsin was violating NCAA rules by not putting Lucas into the transfer portal, calling it "an illegal restraint.""
Lucas also voluntarily signed a legally binding contract requiring him to stay at Wisconsin.
Hunter Dickinson and AJ Storr proved to be a good investment. Would they be classified as a banger and a mid range and 3 pt shooter? Almost as if using the portal does not guarantee success.
I freely acknowledge that Shaka's method does not guarantee success, either.
But going forward, whenever I read someone say MU has to spend huge on an aircraft carrier, I will think of Ballo at IU and Dickinson at Kansas and how they made the team and program better.
Quote from: MU82 on March 20, 2025, 08:23:05 PMThe McNeese State coach was bought away while his team is in the NCAA Tournament.
This isn't the defense of the system you think it is.
Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2025, 11:08:23 PMLucas also voluntarily signed a legally binding contract requiring him to stay at Wisconsin.
Contracts can be illegal or non binding.
Quote from: forgetful on March 20, 2025, 11:08:23 PMLucas also voluntarily signed a legally binding contract requiring him to stay at Wisconsin.
Yeah, I guess we will see how "legally binding" this contract actually is.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 06:35:26 AMHunter Dickinson and AJ Storr proved to be a good investment. Would they be classified as a banger and a mid range and 3 pt shooter? Almost as if using the portal does not guarantee success.
I freely acknowledge that Shaka's method does not guarantee success, either.
But going forward, whenever I read someone say MU has to spend huge on an aircraft carrier, I will think of Ballo at IU and Dickinson at Kansas and how they made the team and program better.
Come on now Tower. Those are the 2 examples you want to use? All they cared about was the money. Two of the most selfish collegiate players in the game. You can throw in Hawkins in your example as well and I am sure quite a few more.
How about LJ Cryer and JT Toppin as examples. Both look like great investments. I think both would have made us significantly better.
Do transfers guarantee success? No but with Shaka's hard stance on the matter, he is either going to look like a genius or a stubborn coach that game has passed by.
I like his philosophy as a fan. I prefer players who are around 3-4 years instead of having a huge roster turnover every year. But to completely ignore the portal when you have an opportunity to make your team better could a foolish decision on his part. Next year will be very telling.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 21, 2025, 08:36:25 AMCome on now Tower. Those are the 2 examples you want to use? All they cared about was the money. Two of the most selfish collegiate players in the game. You can throw in Hawkins in your example as well and I am sure quite a few more.
How about LJ Cryer and JT Toppin as examples. Both look like great investments. I think both would have made us significantly better.
Do transfers guarantee success? No but with Shaka's hard stance on the matter, he is either going to look like a genius or a stubborn coach that game has passed by.
I like his philosophy as a fan. I prefer players who are around 3-4 years instead of having a huge roster turnover every year. But to completely ignore the portal when you have an opportunity to make your team better could a foolish decision on his part. Next year will be very telling.
I guess when transfers are bad, they are considered "selfish," but when they are good it is a "great investment."
Big Papi, as you say, nearly every other team has been active in the portal. Has it worked out well for all of them? I don't think it can be argued that it has.
MU is a unicorn. That has gone 79-26 the last 3 seasons. Who does Shaka need to apologize to?
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 08:51:21 AMBig Papi, as you say, nearly every other team has been active in the portal. Has it worked out well for all of them? I don't think it can be argued that it has.
MU is a unicorn. That has gone 79-26 the last 3 seasons. Who does Shaka need to apologize to?
79-26 is great. BE and BE tourney champions. Two consecutive 2-seeds in the ncaa. But so-so success, imo, in the ncaa, which is what folks primarily care about. If Marquette avoids the portal, makes the ncaa every year but is pretty much out on the first weekend, are you ok with that? Or, take on some transfers and more often than not play second weekends? No wrong answer, just curious of your take. (I know you know mine)
Again Shaka isn't ignoring the portal, he will use if necessary, but won't go for a player whose main request is $$$$
Quote from: Viper on March 21, 2025, 09:00:08 AM79-26 is great. BE and BE tourney champions. Two consecutive 2-seeds in the ncaa. But so-so success, imo, in the ncaa, which is what folks primarily care about. If Marquette avoids the portal, makes the ncaa every year but is pretty much out on the first weekend, are you ok with that? Or, take on some transfers and more often than not play second weekends? No wrong answer, just curious of your take. (I know you know mine)
Is the portal going to help us make open shots? I'm not so sure. Our Achilles heel the last two tournaments has seemed to be good shooters going ice cold.
To say that the tournament shows our non-transfer strategy is not working kind of feels like grasping at straws. We have another topic here showing how Shaka is one of 3 MU coaches to make the tourney 4 years in a row.
Quote from: Viper on March 21, 2025, 09:00:08 AM79-26 is great. BE and BE tourney champions. Two consecutive 2-seeds in the ncaa. But so-so success, imo, in the ncaa, which is what folks primarily care about. If Marquette avoids the portal, makes the ncaa every year but is pretty much out on the first weekend, are you ok with that? Or, take on some transfers and more often than not play second weekends? No wrong answer, just curious of your take. (I know you know mine)
The bolded is quite the assumption.
Quote from: Viper on March 21, 2025, 09:00:08 AM79-26 is great. BE and BE tourney champions. Two consecutive 2-seeds in the ncaa. But so-so success, imo, in the ncaa, which is what folks primarily care about. If Marquette avoids the portal, makes the ncaa every year but is pretty much out on the first weekend, are you ok with that? Or, take on some transfers and more often than not play second weekends? No wrong answer, just curious of your take. (I know you know mine)
4 years, 4 tourneys. Over the first 3 seasons, winning one more game than the previous season. It would be fun if it continued.
Other than Buzz's three year run, when in the last 45 years has MU ever been about more than getting in and seeing what happens? Crean caught lightning in a bottle with Wade.
Never to be repeated. Most teams, most programs are like that. How many Big 10 teams have won a title this millennium? How many titles has Gonzaga won?
If MU keeps averaging 25 wins a season with Shaka doing it his way, I will be over the moon.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 21, 2025, 09:03:09 AMIs the portal going to help us make open shots? I'm not so sure. Our Achilles heel the last two tournaments has seemed to be good shooters going ice cold.
To say that the tournament shows our non-transfer strategy is not working kind of feels like grasping at straws. We have another topic here showing how Shaka is one of 3 MU coaches to make the tourney 4 years in a row.
QFT
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 08:44:56 AMI guess when transfers are bad, they are considered "selfish," but when they are good it is a "great investment."
AJ Storr is a hired gun. 3 years, 3 different programs. Had success last year at Wisconsin and bailed for more money. Yes very selfish. Hunter is a tool and always was. I wouldn't want him at MU if he gave us $2 million.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 21, 2025, 09:16:47 AMAJ Storr is a hired gun. 3 years, 3 different programs. Had success last year at Wisconsin and bailed for more money. Yes very selfish. Hunter is a tool and always was. I wouldn't want him at MU if he gave us $2 million.
As I said...
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 08:51:21 AMBig Papi, as you say, nearly every other team has been active in the portal. Has it worked out well for all of them? I don't think it can be argued that it has.
MU is a unicorn. That has gone 79-26 the last 3 seasons. Who does Shaka need to apologize to?
Who is asking for an apology?
Why does everything have to be extremes?
Nothing is 100%.
We used the portal, we got better. We stopped using portal and now things seem to maybe be trending the wrong way in my eyes.
I applaud Shaka for sticking to what he believes. He is definitely staking his coaching reputation on it. I really hope it works out.
And that's great that we have gone 79-26 the last 3 years. Great 3 years but the past doesn't mean the future will be the same or better. Could our record have been better if we brought in 1 transfer player for this year? Maybe, maybe not. We did have an obvious weaknesses heading into this year and some question marks. Coach decided to remain status quo and not address it. Maybe it was the right move, maybe not. It is ok to question it.
I'm going to enjoy the rest of this season and hope it doesn't end tonight.
It's not easy. I get it. I hope coach gets it right.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 06:35:26 AMBut going forward, whenever I read someone say MU has to spend huge on an aircraft carrier, I will think of Ballo at IU and Dickinson at Kansas and how they made the team and program better.
Are you the under the mistaken impression that KU would have been better without Dickinson or IU would have been better without Ballo?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 09:48:42 AMAre you the under the mistaken impression that KU would have been better without Dickinson or IU would have been better without Ballo?
Oh no, don't look up how much better KU performed last night with Dickinson on the bench.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 21, 2025, 09:50:38 AMOh no, don't look up how much better KU performed last night with Dickinson on the bench.
Ah, one game. Good point.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 21, 2025, 09:43:17 AMWho is asking for an apology?
Why does everything have to be extremes?
Nothing is 100%.
We used the portal, we got better. We stopped using portal and now things seem to maybe be trending the wrong way in my eyes.
I applaud Shaka for sticking to what he believes. He is definitely staking his coaching reputation on it. I really hope it works out.
And that's great that we have gone 79-26 the last 3 years. Great 3 years but the past doesn't mean the future will be the same or better. Could our record have been better if we brought in 1 transfer player for this year? Maybe, maybe not. We did have an obvious weaknesses heading into this year and some question marks. Coach decided to remain status quo and not address it. Maybe it was the right move, maybe not. It is ok to question it.
I'm going to enjoy the rest of this season and hope it doesn't end tonight.
It's not easy. I get it. I hope coach gets it right.
The Cult of Shaka (CoS) abides no nuance. You either think that Shaka is the greatest thing that has ever happened to any basketball program, anywhere, ever, or you are an "eeyore" who can't enjoy basketball and fandom and lives a miserable existence.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 09:48:42 AMAre you the under the mistaken impression that KU would have been better without Dickinson or IU would have been better without Ballo?
Regarding Dickinson...maybe? Not because Dickinson performed poorly by any means, although he certainly didn't take much of a leap from his days at Michigan, but bringing in a "big transfer" could have altered the offense or defense that Self usually runs, or caused locker room issues or something similar.
The team had its two worst seasons under Self the two seasons he was on the team. I don't know if any of us can state that this was causation or mere correlation.
Quote from: Viper on March 21, 2025, 09:00:08 AM79-26 is great. BE and BE tourney champions. Two consecutive 2-seeds in the ncaa. But so-so success, imo, in the ncaa, which is what folks primarily care about. If Marquette avoids the portal, makes the ncaa every year but is pretty much out on the first weekend, are you ok with that? Or, take on some transfers and more often than not play second weekends? No wrong answer, just curious of your take. (I know you know mine)
Fill the roster from varied sources
Must get bangers and consistent 3 point shooters
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 08:51:21 AMBig Papi, as you say, nearly every other team has been active in the portal. Has it worked out well for all of them? I don't think it can be argued that it has.
MU is a unicorn. That has gone 79-26 the last 3 seasons. Who does Shaka need to apologize to?
Marquette's lack of naval air superiority
I don't see any problem with bringing on even just one transfer each year to fill in gaps and improve the team. There has been plenty of discussion throughout conference play surrounding MU's collapse and other teams (integrating transfers) starting to fire on all cylinders. It will be interesting to see if Shaka sticks to his plan or adds some more talent in the transfer market. Tonight's game may play a part in that too.
Quote from: 1SE on March 21, 2025, 10:13:10 AMThe Cult of Shaka (CoS) abides no nuance. You either think that Shaka is the greatest thing that has ever happened to any basketball program, anywhere, ever, or you are an "eeyore" who can't enjoy basketball and fandom and lives a miserable existence.
Good thing there's no Cult of Shaka on Scoop. There are those of us who trust what Shaka is doing re building his program because so far it has been successful; and most of us say that if it proves to be unsuccessful, Shaka will need to change his stance on transfers.
But nice try, Eeyore!
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 21, 2025, 09:03:09 AMIs the portal going to help us make open shots? I'm not so sure.
I mean, I guess if Shaka brought in some transfers who are proven great 3-point shooters, it very well might.
Then again, Kam Jones was a proven great 3-point shooter before this season, and David Joplin was a proven good one.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 10:13:31 AMRegarding Dickinson...maybe? Not because Dickinson performed poorly by any means, although he certainly didn't take much of a leap from his days at Michigan, but bringing in a "big transfer" could have altered the offense or defense that Self usually runs, or caused locker room issues or something similar.
The team had its two worst seasons under Self the two seasons he was on the team. I don't know if any of us can state that this was causation or mere correlation.
If you're saying Dickinson is part of a poorly constructed roster, I agree with that. If you're saying that the same roster would fare better with some replacement-level guy in there instead, that's got "Are the Cowboys better without Dak?" vibes.
Kansas' issues, IMO, seem to revolve around a large number of recruiting misses and a group of players that don't play well together.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 09:48:42 AMAre you the under the mistaken impression that KU would have been better without Dickinson or IU would have been better without Ballo?
I disagree with your premise. I watched 20ish IU games this season. IU was at their worst when Woodson played Ballo and Reneau together. Both operated the best in the same space. And neither could guard in the perimeter. Think a combination of Theo/Garcia and Otule/Gardner. IU was at their best with one on the bench playing 4 out. Since ultimately IU missed the tourney and Woodson is out, I am comfortable saying Ballo did not make IU better.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMIf you're saying Dickinson is part of a poorly constructed roster, I agree with that. If you're saying that the same roster would fare better with some replacement-level guy in there instead, that's got "Are the Cowboys better without Dak?" vibes.
Kansas' issues, IMO, seem to revolve around a large number of recruiting misses and a group of players that don't play well together.
So you don't think a team with a poorly constructed roster might be better with someone else on that roster?
And basketball isn't football. Very different comparison with Dak.
Obviously, Ejiofor is nowhere near the same player he was at Kansas, where he was largely a garbage-time-only freshman. But I'm guessing Self would take today's Ejiofor over today's Dickinson if he magically could have made it happen.
Caveat: These speculation discussions are filled with impossible-to-prove stuff, including what I just said in that paragraph.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 11:49:34 AMIf you're saying Dickinson is part of a poorly constructed roster, I agree with that. If you're saying that the same roster would fare better with some replacement-level guy in there instead, that's got "Are the Cowboys better without Dak?" vibes.
Kansas' issues, IMO, seem to revolve around a large number of recruiting misses and a group of players that don't play well together.
As Shaka has said, culture is important. Wojo was not great at recruiting guys who fit a culture. The Hausers and Howard had a falling out, UNC players were not upset when Garcia left, Aidoo went for the money, etc. Ironically, in Kam and Stevie he got guys who were cultural fits for Shaka. They likely wouldn't have experienced anywhere near their current level of success under Wojo.
Shaka's also said that loyalty is a two-way street and coaches tend to be hypocrites in that regard. If you want the player to stick it out at MU, then you have to be willing to stick it out with the player.
It seems like the biggest criticism about Shaka is that people want MU to be UConn and they see the portal as an easy path that has no risk. That's not the case.
No coach is perfect, but Shaka is the best coach MU has had in many years.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 11:51:44 AMI disagree with your premise. I watched 20ish IU games this season. IU was at their worst when Woodson played Ballo and Reneau together. Both operated the best in the same space. And neither could guard in the perimeter. Think a combination of Theo/Garcia and Otule/Gardner. IU was at their best with one on the bench playing 4 out. Since ultimately IU missed the tourney and Woodson is out, I am comfortable saying Ballo did not make IU better.
What you're describing is a coaching problem, not a player problem. And I'm not sure why you'd want your 7-foot, 265-pound center guarding the perimeter.
Anyhow, Ballo led the team in win shares, win shares per 40, offensive win shares, defensive win shares, player efficiency rating, minutes played and points produced. But Indiana would have been a better team without him?
It's not that I oppose transfers, or think Shaka can do no wrong. I would have been glad if Shaka had added a PG this year for depth. Especially with Sean Jones out with injury, we could have used one.
But I can also understand Shaka's viewpoint based on what Shaka's saying in interviews, and what our recruits are saying in interviews. Regardless of my own personal opinion, I mostly know what Shaka's going to do. And that's focus on HS recruiting, retention, and development. If Shaka goes to the portal, he will be very selective.
Sometimes Shaka's approach will yield a breakout star, like Tyler or Oso. Other times will yield solid starters that aren't quite stars, like Stevie or Chase. And sometimes players won't develop like we all hope they do. Such is the nature of college basketball.
Plus, there's a lot of confirmation bias with the portal. The pro portal crowd will cite any successful team with a transfer, but ignore the teams that use the portal and fail. They point to transfers as a simple solution for Marquette's ails. Just know the portal can be hit or miss just as much as Shaka's approach.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 11:58:40 AMSo you don't think a team with a poorly constructed roster might be better with someone else on that roster?
I don't think you improve your roster construction by removing your best player. Seems like a better idea is to surround your best player(s) with complementary pieces.
We all recognized Wojo was bad at roster construction. Only the dolts here suggested the problem was having Markus Howard on the team.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 12:33:56 PMI don't think you improve your roster construction by removing your best player. Seems like a better idea is to surround your best player(s) with complementary pieces.
We all recognized Wojo was bad at roster construction. Only the dolts here suggested the problem was having Markus Howard on the team.
I guess. If Hunter Dickinson is your best player, I guess you have bigger problems than roster construction.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 12:36:48 PMI guess. If Hunter Dickinson is your best player, I guess you have bigger problems than roster construction.
He's no Ben Gold, but he is a two-time consensus All-American and four-time first-team all-conference, with a career 17.4 ppg and 9.0 rpg.
You could do worse.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 12:29:42 PMWhat you're describing is a coaching problem, not a player problem. And I'm not sure why you'd want your 7-foot, 265-pound center guarding the perimeter.
Anyhow, Ballo led the team in win shares, win shares per 40, offensive win shares, defensive win shares, player efficiency rating, minutes played and points produced. But Indiana would have been a better team without him?
In his 6th year of college at his third school getting a reported cool $1 million, his school did not make the tournament and his coach is gone. Not worth the investment.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/ncaa-tournament/2025/03/21/marquette-transfer-portal-shaka-smart/82589640007/
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 12:43:21 PMHe's no Ben Gold, but he is a two-time consensus All-American and four-time first-team all-conference, with a career 17.4 ppg and 9.0 rpg.
You could do worse.
Of course you could do worse. You could also do a lot better. And Self and Kansas have.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 12:43:21 PMHe's no Ben Gold, but he is a two-time consensus All-American and four-time first-team all-conference, with a career 17.4 ppg and 9.0 rpg.
You could do worse.
He'll be great on the Shanghai Sharks
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 12:44:41 PMIn his 6th year of college at his third school getting a reported cool $1 million, his school did not make the tournament and his coach is gone. Not worth the investment.
You're shifting the goalposts, tower.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 12:52:38 PMYou're shifting the goalposts, tower.
No he isn't. He literally has made the same point three times.
Not at all. My point is, and always has been in this thread, that whenever someone talks about aircraft carriers and bag drops, I will think about Dickinson and Ballo. I am of the opinion that these two were not worth it.
A better argument against mine would be Ejiofor, as he went from 11 minutes per game last season and grew into a beast this season.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 12:58:09 PMNot at all. My point is, and always has been in this thread, that whenever someone talks about aircraft carriers and bag drops, I will think about Dickinson and Ballo. I am of the opinion that these two were not worth it.
A better argument against mine would be Ejiofor, as he went from 11 minutes per game last season and grew into a beast this season.
The argument against Dickinson and Gallo, and for Ejiofor comes down to team culture.
Shaka has had success because he recruits to his culture. I'm certain that if a player was available in the Portal, that he and the team thought was a good fit to their culture, they'd pursue them.
But they aren't going to take someone because it fits a perceived hole in the roster. A round hole filled with a square peg does not a good fit make.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 12:57:41 PMNo he isn't. He literally has made the same point three times.
He went from suggesting that IU and KU weren't better teams because of Ballo and Dickinson to making some ROI argument based on a coach getting fired.
Whether they were worth the investment is pretty subjective, but a fair argument. It's hard to argue (though I'm sure some will try) that Kansas and Indiana would have been better teams this year without those players.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 12:58:09 PMNot at all. My point is, and always has been in this thread, that whenever someone talks about aircraft carriers and bag drops, I will think about Dickinson and Ballo. I am of the opinion that these two were not worth it.
A better argument against mine would be Ejiofor, as he went from 11 minutes per game last season and grew into a beast this season.
Interesting that the guy who left Kansas two years ago is winning more than the high profile transfer they added.
Or the guy who left Wisconsin for Kansas being outperformed by player that missed almost the entire year at Mizzou and previously was far from a superstar at Colorado State.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 21, 2025, 09:48:42 AMAre you the under the mistaken impression that KU would have been better without Dickinson or IU would have been better without Ballo?
Guessing Kansas has Ejifor if Dickinson never shows up. So I'd say a resounding yes to that.
Looking at the roster next year, I do not see one consistent scorer on this team, so with 2000 kids in the portal you should be able to find one, hopefully a grad transfer, so he can use 3 scholarships the next year. But Shaka is very committed to what he is doing so I doubt it
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 21, 2025, 01:14:33 PMInteresting that the guy who left Kansas two years ago is winning more than the high profile transfer they added.
Or the guy who left Wisconsin for Kansas being outperformed by player that missed almost the entire year at Mizzou and previously was far from a superstar at Colorado State.
Yep. It is not as straightforward as add some talent in the portal and boom problem solved.
Anyway, many of the voices complaining about Shaka's strategy would be bitching the other way if Shaka was in the portal and then struggling to retain guys year over year. Even with the exact same results. Some people live to complain.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 21, 2025, 01:20:42 PMGuessing Kansas has Ejifor if Dickinson never shows up. So I'd say a resounding yes to that.
I am not a Dickinson fan. But literally every other player on that team was a bigger issue than him.
Quote from: RJax55 on March 21, 2025, 01:28:30 PMYep. It is not as straightforward as add some talent in the portal and boom problem solved.
Any more than it is a guarantee every player that signs with MU ends up in the NBA. To choose, to not choose, regardless, there is risk.
If MU had 4 players transfer out this spring and Shaka was forced to go to the portal, would that be a guarantee that the 25-26 team would be better than it would be if everybody stayed?
Quote from: jfp61 on March 21, 2025, 01:32:14 PMI am not a Dickinson fan. But literally every other player on that team was a bigger issue than him.
Nobody who has Hunter Dickinson on the defensive end is winning anything important. And one of their other problems is AJ Storr stinks. Another transfer.
Kansas won the portal the last 2 years, and as a result was ranked 1 in the preseason poll both years. And Self has had his 2 worst seasons of his Kansas career.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 01:33:28 PMAny more than it is a guarantee every player that signs with MU ends up in the NBA. To choose, to not choose, regardless, there is risk.
If MU had 4 players transfer out this spring and Shaka was forced to go to the portal, would that be a guarantee that the 25-26 team would be better than it would be if everybody stayed?
If you lost Norman, Amadou and Hamilton, you for sure can find 3 better players easily!
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 01:57:53 PMIf you lost Norman, Amadou and Hamilton, you for sure can find 3 better players easily!
Not really the point, but OK.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 01:57:53 PMIf you lost Norman, Amadou and Hamilton, you for sure can find 3 better players easily!
But could you find players who would look at the rest of the roster and then come to MU with no bag drop and no guarantee of playing time?
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 02:00:29 PMBut could you find players who would look at the rest of the roster and then come to MU with no bag drop and no guarantee of playing time?
These guys live in a fantasy world where great players are available without baggage and willing to come off the bench for a year.
Quote from: tower912 on March 21, 2025, 02:00:29 PMBut could you find players who would look at the rest of the roster and then come to MU with no bag drop and no guarantee of playing time?
Another inconvenient truth that the Portal Pushers ignore. Where's the $ for your strategy? This comes from a guy who posted that, in ignoring recruiting HS players, "Pitino is totally right." (Totally". ::) ?) Pitino has a billionaire in his pocket. Where is our billionaire?
Always good to see MU getting some press in the Chicago Tribune.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/03/20/marquette-ncaa-tournament-shaka-smart/
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 21, 2025, 02:09:12 PMAnother inconvenient truth that the Portal Pushers ignore. Where's the $ for your strategy? This comes from a guy who posted that, in ignoring recruiting HS players, "Pitino is totally right." (Totally". ::) ?) Pitino has a billionaire in his pocket. Where is our billionaire?
Dentists can't commit the Medicare fraud to get there since it's not covered.
This is why Shaka develops players vs portalling with $$$
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 01:27:49 PMLooking at the roster next year, I do not see one consistent scorer on this team, so with 2000 kids in the portal you should be able to find one, hopefully a grad transfer, so he can use 3 scholarships the next year. But Shaka is very committed to what he is doing so I doubt it
I see multiple guys that can grow into consistent scorers.
Again, go back to the start of the 22-23 season. Our highest returning scorer was Kam at 7 and change per game.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 21, 2025, 09:43:17 AMWho is asking for an apology?
Why does everything have to be extremes?
Nothing is 100%.
We used the portal, we got better. We stopped using portal and now things seem to maybe be trending the wrong way in my eyes.
I applaud Shaka for sticking to what he believes. He is definitely staking his coaching reputation on it. I really hope it works out.
And that's great that we have gone 79-26 the last 3 years. Great 3 years but the past doesn't mean the future will be the same or better. Could our record have been better if we brought in 1 transfer player for this year? Maybe, maybe not. We did have an obvious weaknesses heading into this year and some question marks. Coach decided to remain status quo and not address it. Maybe it was the right move, maybe not. It is ok to question it.
I'm going to enjoy the rest of this season and hope it doesn't end tonight.
It's not easy. I get it. I hope coach gets it right.
agreed, 100%
Don't ever be worried about scoring. Scoring just occurs.
Do be worried about the guards. None of the returns seem good enough outside Ross.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 21, 2025, 02:46:39 PMDon't ever be worried about scoring. Scoring just occurs.
Do be worried about the guards. None of the returns seem good enough outside Ross.
Don't sleep on Zaide. Big leap coming.
Quote from: Big Papi on March 21, 2025, 09:43:17 AMWho is asking for an apology?
Why does everything have to be extremes?
Nothing is 100%.
We used the portal, we got better. We stopped using portal and now things seem to maybe be trending the wrong way in my eyes.
I applaud Shaka for sticking to what he believes. He is definitely staking his coaching reputation on it. I really hope it works out.
And that's great that we have gone 79-26 the last 3 years. Great 3 years but the past doesn't mean the future will be the same or better. Could our record have been better if we brought in 1 transfer player for this year? Maybe, maybe not. We did have an obvious weaknesses heading into this year and some question marks. Coach decided to remain status quo and not address it. Maybe it was the right move, maybe not. It is ok to question it.
I'm going to enjoy the rest of this season and hope it doesn't end tonight.
It's not easy. I get it. I hope coach gets it right.
With the exception of Zach Wrightsil in year two, "we used the portal" to fill out a roster in year one of Shaka.
Regardless, how can you claim "we got better?" Better than what? A hypothetical first year without transfers? Wojo's last year?
That's really not an apples to apples comparison.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on March 21, 2025, 10:20:29 AMMarquette's lack of naval air superiority
Drones is where it's at now
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 21, 2025, 03:04:12 PMDrones is where it's at now
The biggest change in combat since aerial battles.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 01:27:49 PMLooking at the roster next year, I do not see one consistent scorer on this team, so with 2000 kids in the portal you should be able to find one, hopefully a grad transfer, so he can use 3 scholarships the next year. But Shaka is very committed to what he is doing so I doubt it
You keep saying that we MUST bring in transfers because there are no proven scorers on the roster, while ignoring that we had the exact same situation after the 2021-22 season.
You also have said Shaka and his assistants had little (or even nothing) to do with the improvement of Kolek, Oso, OMax, Kam, Joplin, Ross, Zaide, Parham, Gold. "Players always improve," you said, which of course isn't true.
We get it: You don't like Shaka, and you do like to complain about him. But it's difficult to have a conversation with a person who ignores facts and has already made up his or her mind despite lacking information.
Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2025, 04:01:17 PMYou keep saying that we MUST bring in transfers because there are no proven scorers on the roster, while ignoring that we had the exact same situation after the 2021-22 season.
You also have said Shaka and his assistants had little (or even nothing) to do with the improvement of Kolek, Oso, OMax, Kam, Joplin, Ross, Zaide, Parham, Gold. "Players always improve," you said, which of course isn't true.
We get it: You don't like Shaka, and you do like to complain about him. But it's difficult to have a conversation with a person who ignores facts and has already made up his or her mind despite lacking information.
And never responds when people point out his errors.
Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2025, 04:01:17 PMYou keep saying that we MUST bring in transfers because there are no proven scorers on the roster, while ignoring that we had the exact same situation after the 2021-22 season.
You also have said Shaka and his assistants had little (or even nothing) to do with the improvement of Kolek, Oso, OMax, Kam, Joplin, Ross, Zaide, Parham, Gold. "Players always improve," you said, which of course isn't true.
We get it: You don't like Shaka, and you do like to complain about him. But it's difficult to have a conversation with a person who ignores facts and has already made up his or her mind despite lacking information.
Nice summary, but if I may add one point that applies to the "portal people" (except Big Papi)- they seem to
assume that the portal will
always result in an improved roster. At least Papi admits portal players may or may not improve the team. As you said, it's difficult to have a conversation with a person who already has made up his/her mind.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 21, 2025, 04:03:05 PMAnd never responds when people point out his errors.
I will respond, hope I am wrong. Shaka has done a great job for four years, next year will be interesting if his system works. But if Shaka would have been able to sign a kid here or there, MU would have possibly been better. I will never be happy finishing in the middle of the pack in the Big East. Tonight's game is big to we where MU stands today, and the future.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 05:13:47 PMI will respond, hope I am wrong. Shaka has done a great job for four years, next year will be interesting if his system works. But if Shaka would have been able to sign a kid here or there, MU would have possibly been better. I will never be happy finishing in the middle of the pack in the Big East. Tonight's game is big to we where MU stands today, and the future.
You're ignoring that subtraction by addition could very well be a thing.
Assuming all portal guys are good is short sided and why people are giving you grief.
Your posting history suggests you weren't particularly happy finishing at or near the top of the Big East the previous two years, either.
This post here also contains the single nicest thing you've said about Shaka. I mean, you refused to give him credit for the improvement of Kolek and Oso despite they themselves repeatedly saying he was instrumental.
We agree that bringing in a transfer might have possibly helped ... which by definition also means it might have possibly not helped, or even could have hurt.
We also agree that today's game is big for today. Because it's an NCAA Tournament game.
As to what happens today having something to do with the future ... if we win, yes, because we'd get to play again Sunday. That's the only "future" that matters right this second. If we lose, I doubt it will impact the future much if at all.
Quote from: MU82 on March 21, 2025, 05:36:44 PMYour posting history suggests you weren't particularly happy finishing at or near the top of the Big East the previous two years, either.
This post here also contains the single nicest thing you've said about Shaka. I mean, you refused to give him credit for the improvement of Kolek and Oso despite they themselves repeatedly saying he was instrumental.
We agree that bringing in a transfer might have possibly helped ... which by definition also means it might have possibly not helped, or even could have hurt.
We also agree that today's game is big for today. Because it's an NCAA Tournament game.
As to what happens today having something to do with the future ... if we win, yes, because we'd get to play again Sunday. That's the only "future" that matters right this second. If we lose, I doubt it will impact the future much if at all.
I fully expect all the potential returnees and incoming freshmen to hit the portal if we lose tonight.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 21, 2025, 06:03:07 PMI fully expect all the potential returnees and incoming freshmen to hit the portal if we lose tonight.
The good news would be that Shaka would forced to finally hit the portal.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 21, 2025, 05:13:47 PMI will respond, hope I am wrong. Shaka has done a great job for four years, next year will be interesting if his system works. But if Shaka would have been able to sign a kid here or there, MU would have possibly been better. I will never be happy finishing in the middle of the pack in the Big East. Tonight's game is big to we where MU stands today, and the future.
There were no scholarships available after Clark was signed.
What you non portal people fail to see is by doing nothing to strengthen a perceived weakness there is zero chance of improvement. A portal player may or may not result in improvement but at least it is possible . Feel sorry for Gold, he busts his butt but physically overmatched at the 5
Quote from: drbob on March 21, 2025, 07:47:53 PMWhat you non portal people fail to see is by doing nothing to strengthen a perceived weakness there is zero chance of improvement. A portal player may or may not result in improvement but at least it is possible . Feel sorry for Gold, he busts his butt but physically overmatched at the 5
So you don't think that players can improve from season to season?
Growth and improvement are an actual pillar of the program.
Yes players obviously can improve but it is difficult to overcome
Physical limitations like height and strength. Think another big body would have paid big dividends this year
Quote from: drbob on March 21, 2025, 07:58:43 PMYes players obviously can improve but it is difficult to overcome
Physical limitations like height and strength. Think another big body would have paid big dividends this year
So you said "zero chance of improvement," but then acknowledge that players can improve.
Sound logic. 🙄🙄🙄
Quote from: drbob on March 21, 2025, 07:58:43 PMYes players obviously can improve but it is difficult to overcome
Physical limitations like height and strength. Think another big body would have paid big dividends this year
No scholarships were available after the big body of Josh Clark was signed.
I said you can'timprove a length or strength issue Try reading before you criticize. Watch tonite how we are getting beat on the boards again
So maybe Clark was the wrong signee !!
Quote from: drbob on March 21, 2025, 08:08:57 PMI said you can'timprove a length or strength issue Try reading before you criticize. Watch tonite how we are getting beat on the boards again
You said "zero improvement" from season to season. And now you're talking about tonight.
If you're just emotionally saying whatever enters your mind, just admit it. Otherwise don't pretend you're being logical.
Twist it anyway you want
Quote from: drbob on March 21, 2025, 08:27:43 PMTwist it anyway you want
Just using your words buddy.
Quote from: NCMUFan on March 07, 2025, 12:16:49 PMI like the Shaka 5-point plan. Keep things the way we are an understand you can't please all the people.
[/quote Shaka needs to switch it up. You can't pride yourself in this league keeping the same roster. Have to look for height and depth. We didn't participate last year after losing our two best players and it showed. Kole's was a play maker and Ighadaro had a good inside presence and defense. Find the mid-major stud that wants to play in the bright lights.
Shaka needs to switch it up. You can't pride yourself in this league keeping the same roster. Have to look for height and depth. We didn't participate last year after losing our two best players and it showed. Kole's was a play maker and Ighadaro had a good inside presence and defense. Find the mid-major stud that wants to play in the bright lights.
Quote from: DANDY651 on March 21, 2025, 08:57:21 PMShaka needs to switch it up. You can't pride yourself in this league keeping the same roster. Have to look for height and depth. We didn't participate last year after losing our two best players and it showed. Kole's was a play maker and Ighadaro had a good inside presence and defense. Find the mid-major stud that wants to play in the bright lights.
Truly boggles the mind how short-sighted people like you are.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 21, 2025, 09:11:05 PMTruly boggles the mind how short-sighted people like you are.
Loser mentality
Dailyn Swain in the portal.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 24, 2025, 02:27:41 PMDailyn Swain in the portal.
And probably signed with Texas already.
6'11, 274 pound center and really good on the offensive glass.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1904327889899622733
Quote from: Pakuni on March 24, 2025, 07:27:13 PM6'11, 274 pound center and really good on the offensive glass.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1904327889899622733
Not adding anybody unless somebody unexpected bounces.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 24, 2025, 07:30:38 PMNot adding anybody unless somebody unexpected bounces.
You know this how?
Math
Quote from: Pakuni on March 24, 2025, 07:35:35 PMYou know this how?
Shaka told us all probably 25+ times
Next year will be interesting, because this was the last Covid extra year of eligibility.
It is hard for 18-year-olds to complete strength wise against 24+ year old players.
Quote from: bilsu on March 24, 2025, 08:16:46 PMNext year will be interesting, because this was the last Covid extra year of eligibility.
It is hard for 18-year-olds to complete strength wise against 24+ year old players.
Thank goodness.
14. One opening. Depth chart at least 3 deep at at 4 spots.
Shaka has said he plans on using all 15 scholarships.
Quote from: tower912 on March 24, 2025, 08:32:31 PM14. One opening. Depth chart at least 3 deep at at 4 spots.
So, there's an open scholarship.
I don't think it's a stretch to suggest a player like Dishon Jackson would leap to the top of the depth chart.
Now who's the cockeyed optimist? Good for you.
Quote from: tower912 on March 24, 2025, 08:59:37 PMNow who's the cockeyed optimist? Good for you.
About landing Johnson? Yeah, one would have to be optimist to think that's likely.
About him immediately becoming MU's best post player? One would have to be delusional to think otherwise.
Iowa State owes us a few. Come to the light, Dishon Jackson!
I think we'll add a big, but hard pass on Dishon Jackson. No interest in bigs who cant move. There's a reason Iowa State is looking to upgrade from him.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 24, 2025, 09:39:59 PMI think we'll add a big, but hard pass on Dishon Jackson. No interest in bigs who cant move. There's a reason Iowa State is looking to upgrade from him.
I would not say ISU is looking to upgrade from him. I know an ISU booster, and the continuity of their team was not ideal heading into the NCAA. Arguably their best player, Gilbert, stayed at home in Ames and did not travel with the team with a strained groin for the NCAAs. There has been much speculation on the relationships the team has after they had 7 losses since February after being ranked #2 in AP. He expects more xfers out of ISU.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2025, 09:03:15 AMI would not say ISU is looking to upgrade from him. I know an ISU booster, and the continuity of their team was not ideal heading into the NCAA. Arguably their best player, Gilbert, stayed at home in Ames and did not travel with the team with a strained groin for the NCAAs. There has been much speculation on the relationships the team has after they had 7 losses since February after being ranked #2 in AP. He expects more xfers out of ISU.
Gilbert and his backcourt teammate had a lot of injuries that led to uneven play the past month +. If there are relationship issues, it was kept pretty quiet.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 25, 2025, 09:07:06 AMGilbert and his backcourt teammate had a lot of injuries that led to uneven play the past month +. If there are relationship issues, it was kept pretty quiet.
It was obvious if you follow the team and go look back at Gilbert's media. Smirking when answering questions - his general body language was not good.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2025, 09:29:22 AMIt was obvious if you follow the team and go look back at Gilbert's media. Smirking when answering questions - his general body language was not good.
Weird. When they were winning all we heard is that TJO adds a lot of transfers but that they all "fit the culture." Almost as if winning and strong culture are highly correlated. Losing puts a strain on culture. No way around it.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2025, 09:03:15 AMI would not say ISU is looking to upgrade from him. I know an ISU booster, and the continuity of their team was not ideal heading into the NCAA. Arguably their best player, Gilbert, stayed at home in Ames and did not travel with the team with a strained groin for the NCAAs. There has been much speculation on the relationships the team has after they had 7 losses since February after being ranked #2 in AP. He expects more xfers out of ISU.
It's seeming like Gilbert wasn't out for injury.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 25, 2025, 09:43:03 AMWeird. When they were winning all we heard is that TJO adds a lot of transfers but that they all "fit the culture." Almost as if winning and strong culture are highly correlated. Losing puts a strain on culture. No way around it.
Interesting, isn't it? There is some truth to winning cures all. You can go back in history and find many teams that won championships that just hated each other outside of their time together in competition.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 25, 2025, 09:46:03 AMIt's seeming like Gilbert wasn't out for injury.
It is interesting he gutted through whatever injury he had and then when the Big 12 tournament was over, TJO announced he was done for season and did not want to take any more questions about it. The biggest red flag for me was the fact Gilbert did not even travel with the team to Milwaukee for the 1st and 2nd rounds.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 25, 2025, 09:49:14 AMIt is interesting he gutted through whatever injury he had and then when the Big 12 tournament was over, TJO announced he was done for season and did not want to take any more questions about it. The biggest red flag for me was the fact Gilbert did not even travel with the team to Milwaukee for the 1st and 2nd rounds.
He unfollowed the team as well immediately. And the Otz "he's just gotta rest his body" thing was bizarre
Seems like it was a money thing
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 25, 2025, 09:57:04 AMHe unfollowed the team as well immediately. And the Otz "he's just gotta rest his body" thing was bizarre
Seems like it was a money thing
It's also hard for teams to prove tampering.
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 25, 2025, 09:43:03 AMWeird. When they were winning all we heard is that TJO adds a lot of transfers but that they all "fit the culture." Almost as if winning and strong culture are highly correlated. Losing puts a strain on culture. No way around it.
Or their culture wasn't strong enough to handle the inevitable ups and downs of a season. Like using cheap materials to build a house........it works fine for a while.....but when storms hit you end up with lots of damage.
A mercenary does not tend to fight as hard as those fighting to protect their own.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 10:11:41 AMIt's also hard for teams to prove tampering.
This is true. Even if they do prove tampering, the NCAA does not enforce it anyway. Or at least I have not seen any enforcement to date.
If Shaka had used the portal and achieved the results he has, I would be supporting his use of the portal. It is a tool. We can argue about whether it is improving the game, but it is the standard right now. So be it.
If Shaka stays out of the portal and remains successful, great. If Shaka uses the portal and remains successful, great. I am not on some kind of crusade. But based on his words and actions, it is my opinion that things remain status quo, barring unexpected departures.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 11:21:05 AMIf Shaka had used the portal and achieved the results he has, I would be supporting his use of the portal. It is a tool. We can argue about whether it is improving the game, but it is the standard right now. So be it.
If Shaka stays out of the portal and remains successful, great. If Shaka uses the portal and remains successful, great. I am not on some kind of crusade. But based on his words and actions, it is my opinion that things remain status quo, barring unexpected departures.
There might be "expected" departures. At least there needs to be. In my opinion...
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 11:21:05 AMIf Shaka had used the portal and achieved the results he has, I would be supporting his use of the portal. It is a tool. We can argue about whether it is improving the game, but it is the standard right now. So be it.
If Shaka stays out of the portal and remains successful, great. If Shaka uses the portal and remains successful, great. I am not on some kind of crusade. But based on his words and actions, it is my opinion that things remain status quo, barring unexpected departures.
And Shaka's success or lack thereof will not be known anytime soon. He's using the HS recruit and develop system (but not ruling out a transfer if need be), and unlike the potential immediate reward of a portal transfer, it may easily take 2-3 or more seasons to know whether or not it works. We
may have to wait until the '26-'27 season (or later) to have some idea of it all. The
Right Now! portal scoopers who vented their rage over this past season and the New Mexico game may want to consider getting used to being disappointed that their measuring bars might not be reached soon.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 25, 2025, 11:55:15 AMAnd Shaka's success or lack thereof will not be known anytime soon. He's using the HS recruit and develop system (but not ruling out a transfer if need be), and unlike the potential immediate reward of a portal transfer, it may easily take 2-3 or more seasons to know whether or not it works. We may have to wait until the '26-'27 season (or later) to have some idea of it all. The Right Now! portal scoopers who vented their rage over this past season and the New Mexico game may want to consider getting used to being disappointed that their measuring bars might not be reached soon.
Yeah i expect next season we're probably closer to Shakas first than season 2 & 3. But the year after I have high hopes for upper class DO & RP as the next era of greats.
The important step is not taking too far a step backwards next year. I can live with a year of a double digit seed as long as we made it and continue to have that winning culture for guys to develop in. None of the 2016 or 2018 Wojo stuff where we win a decent amount with a couple awesome highlights but nothing happens.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 25, 2025, 12:09:34 PMYeah i expect next season we're probably closer to Shakas first than season 2 & 3. But the year after I have high hopes for upper class DO & RP as the next era of greats.
The important step is not taking too far a step backwards next year. I can live with a year of a double digit seed as long as we made it and continue to have that winning culture for guys to develop in. None of the 2016 or 2018 Wojo stuff where we win a decent amount with a couple awesome highlights but nothing happens.
That's the question...hypothetically, could people here deal with missing the tourney next season if ultimately led to a good chance at protected seeds the following two seasons with the core staying and developing.
I could live with that but as we know many here would lose their minds.
That being said, I am expecting another tourney berth next season
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 25, 2025, 12:25:31 PMThat's the question...hypothetically, could people here deal with missing the tourney next season if ultimately led to a good chance at protected seeds the following two seasons with the core staying and developing.
I could live with that but as we know many here have already lost their minds.
That being said, I am expecting another tourney berth next season
FIFY
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 25, 2025, 12:25:31 PMThat being said, I am expecting another tourney berth next season
This.
Obviously still a lot of variables in play, but looking around, I still see 20+ wins a tourney appearance.
Donovan Dent enters the portal.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 25, 2025, 12:25:31 PMThat's the question...hypothetically, could people here deal with missing the tourney next season if ultimately led to a good chance at protected seeds the following two seasons with the core staying and developing.
I could live with that but as we know many here would lose their minds.
That being said, I am expecting another tourney berth next season
Completely missing? I could live with it in hindsight but I'd be pissed at the time. It is important to contextualize what missing looks like. I was patient when we missed in 2016 because we had a vast improvement from 2015. I was patient in 2018 because we barely missed out and we had some great wins along the way with Sam and Markus developing. Meanwhile, I had zero patience in 2021 when we had the talent we had and were nowhere near being in the conversation.
If we miss by a little and Shaka was giving the under classmen a decent run. Ok, bummer let's build I'll wait a year to judge to see if it was worth it. If we miss by a mile and he was doubling down on Tre with Zaide or Chase not stepping up as an alpha? I'll be a lot more upset
Quote from: Dish on March 25, 2025, 12:32:47 PMDonovan Dent enters the portal.
Dang sucks for the Lobos. Coach will probably get snapped up by someone as well.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 25, 2025, 12:33:56 PMCompletely missing? I could live with it in hindsight but I'd be pissed at the time. It is important to contextualize what missing looks like. I was patient when we missed in 2016 because we had a vast improvement from 2015. I was patient in 2018 because we barely missed out and we had some great wins along the way with Sam and Markus developing. Meanwhile, I had zero patience in 2021 when we had the talent we had and were nowhere near being in the conversation.
If we miss by a little and Shaka was giving the under classmen a decent run. Ok, bummer let's build I'll wait a year to judge to see if it was worth it. If we miss by a mile and he was doubling down on Tre with Zaide or Chase not stepping up as an alpha? I'll be a lot more upset
Again, I don't think we miss. But in that hypothetical, I'm envisioning a first-four or next-four out kind of team. I'm not envisioning a scenario where we'd be awful.
And agreed, if missing comes with a big leap from Zaide and really good growth from Owens and Parham that changes how things are looked at.
I'd still be pretty disappointed but that would be lessened if we could see what was likely around the corner.
However, I do think the team needs to stay very healthy next season to have a shot (assuming it's comprised as we currently expect it to be).
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 25, 2025, 12:37:40 PMDang sucks for the Lobos. Coach will probably get snapped up by someone as well.
Going for the money, will look good at St Johns!
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 25, 2025, 12:46:29 PMQuote from: CountryRoads on March 25, 2025, 12:37:40 PMDang sucks for the Lobos. Coach will probably get snapped up by someone as well.
Going for the money, will look good at St Johns!
Or he's following his coach somewhere
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 11:21:05 AMIf Shaka had used the portal and achieved the results he has, I would be supporting his use of the portal. It is a tool. We can argue about whether it is improving the game, but it is the standard right now. So be it.
If Shaka stays out of the portal and remains successful, great. If Shaka uses the portal and remains successful, great. I am not on some kind of crusade. But based on his words and actions, it is my opinion that things remain status quo, barring unexpected departures.
Status Quo Minus, And not acceptable for a big time program
Well dent if you can beat em join em right?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 12:46:56 PMOr he's following his coach somewhere
Doubt it. As a HM AA he will command some serious moolah. Richard may or may not be able to match it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 01:22:51 PMDoubt it. As a HM AA he will command some serious moolah. Richard may or may not be able to match it.
Papa Rick?
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 25, 2025, 01:25:30 PMPapa Rick?
That'd be some low down crap, but yeah, I wouldn't put it past him.
When I stated watching a bunch of Dent highlights and realized that Rick had pretty much gift wrapped Nelly Joseph Jr to little Ricky at New Mexico (didn't need him at StJ with Zuby coming over) my instant thought was "yea Ricky Jr is going to gift wrap this kid as a transfer to StJ and he will get paid and be awesome in the BE next year"
Now Ricky Jr and Donnie Dent are moving along for greener financial pastures.
I wouldn't be in the least surprised if Pitino Sr and the Johnnie's paid him a ton
over 1700 players in the portal on day 1. 291 last year
Quote from: Markusquette on March 25, 2025, 01:45:01 PMover 1700 players in the portal on day 1. 291 last year
Wild West. I think quite of few of the over 1700 players are going to be disappointed.
https://www.on3.com/college/marquette-golden-eagles/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 25, 2025, 01:48:58 PMWild West. I think quite of few of the over 1700 players are going to be disappointed.
5 ish per team.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 01:54:40 PMhttps://www.on3.com/college/marquette-golden-eagles/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/
So... should the transfer portal go to the Superbar?
Quote from: Markusquette on March 25, 2025, 01:45:01 PMover 1700 players in the portal on day 1. 291 last year
The portal also opened a week earlier (before the NIT/NCAA tourney) last year.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 25, 2025, 02:00:48 PMSo... should the transfer portal go to the Superbar?
...but there is no politics there.
https://www.on3.com/db/always-wright-250319/
Didn't know Sultan was transferring from Rhody!
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 02:11:49 PMhttps://www.on3.com/db/always-wright-250319/
Didn't know Sultan was transferring from Rhody!
as is his brother at Valpo, All Wright.
https://valpoathletics.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/all-wright/6977
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 25, 2025, 01:54:40 PMhttps://www.on3.com/college/marquette-golden-eagles/transfer-portal/wire/basketball/
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 25, 2025, 01:48:58 PMWild West. I think quite of few of the over 1700 players are going to be disappointed.
Would be interesting to hear how many have agents. Have heard on some talk shows that some kids still in high school are agenting up
Dailyn Swain in the portal...think MU has a strong contender for him coming out of HS. Had an upward trending sophomore season. Wonder if MU has any interest...
Quote from: Elonsmusk on March 25, 2025, 04:44:22 PMDailyn Swain in the portal...think MU has a strong contender for him coming out of HS. Had an upward trending sophomore season. Wonder if MU has any interest...
Will he end up at Texas?
Why wouldn't he?
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 05:06:01 PMWhy wouldn't he?
Someone might be Swain him another direction.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 25, 2025, 05:23:29 PMSomeone might be Swain him another direction.
Glorious.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 25, 2025, 05:23:29 PMSomeone might be Swain him another direction.
No I think he's been hooked.
Izzo spends most of his presser railing against the portal. Particularly about it being open while the tournament is still going on.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 06:11:53 PMIzzo spends most of his presser railing against the portal. Particularly about it being open while the tournament is still going on.
He better adapt
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 25, 2025, 05:23:29 PMSomeone might be Swain him another direction.
Dayton!?
Jalen Washington would be perfect for Marquette. A big man with experience who would be a 1 year player. Would give Hamilton and Clark another year to develop. Still would have 3 scholarships to give to the 2026 class.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 25, 2025, 05:23:29 PMSomeone might be Swain him another direction.
tO SUm up, perhaps he wants to play even closer to home?
St. John's gonna end up with Joson Sanon from Arizona State. One of the top transfers in the portal. Also getting a meeting with Hopkins later in the week. They'll have a more talented roster than they had this season.
Sanon
Wilcher
Luis
Hopkins
Ejiofor
potentially as a starting lineup. Hopkins is the question mark at the moment but goodness gracious.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 26, 2025, 12:50:02 AMSt. John's gonna end up with Joson Sanon from Arizona State. One of the top transfers in the portal. Also getting a meeting with Hopkins later in the week. They'll have a more talented roster than they had this season.
Sanon
Wilcher
Luis
Hopkins
Ejiofor
potentially as a starting lineup. Hopkins is the question mark at the moment but goodness gracious.
Richmond was a bigger part of that team than you're giving him credit for.
Also Luis is showing on a decent % of mock drafts that I've seen. No guarantee he's back.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 06:14:43 PMHe better adapt
He took two grad transfers this past year after not taking any transfers the few previous seasons.
Rick wasting zero time getting a former 5 star with 3 years left.
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1904871654120882278
May help him avoid another tournament flameout. A 2 going out in the second round? Unheard of and unacceptable.
Creighton pays the most to Owen Freeman and reloads as well.
Good few days for the Big East.
I saw the Northern AZ big guy who led the country in rebounding hit portal. He would be ideal
Also, the big guy from Oregon St looks like he'd be a great fit as well
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 26, 2025, 07:09:31 AMAlso Luis is showing on a decent % of mock drafts that I've seen. No guarantee he's back.
He was benched by his coach for the last 5 minutes of a one-possession NCAA Tournament game.
Would he really go back to St. John's?
This can't be right.
@Fieldhouse Flyer told me the Big East was going to get raided in the portal. Not take in the biggest guys on the market so far.
Quote from: tower912 on March 25, 2025, 06:11:53 PMIzzo spends most of his presser railing against the portal. Particularly about it being open while the tournament is still going on.
Izzo is an idiot but everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 26, 2025, 09:54:55 AMIzzo is an idiot but everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
You think the portal opening while the NCAAT still has two weeks left is a good thing?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 26, 2025, 08:51:14 AMCreighton pays the most to Owen Freeman and reloads as well.
Good few days for the Big East.
BBQ Chicken.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 26, 2025, 12:50:02 AMSt. John's gonna end up with Joson Sanon from Arizona State. One of the top transfers in the portal. Also getting a meeting with Hopkins later in the week. They'll have a more talented roster than they had this season.
Sanon
Wilcher
Luis
Hopkins
Ejiofor
potentially as a starting lineup. Hopkins is the question mark at the moment but goodness gracious.
Former 5 star recruit, sure. Not a great freshman season by the metrics. Could end up a great player but nothing that says he's an immediate game changer.
Quote from: tower912 on March 26, 2025, 08:36:02 AMMay help him avoid another tournament flameout. A 2 going out in the second round? Unheard of and unacceptable.
...acceptable if +90 regular season wins in 4 yrs, hey?
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 26, 2025, 09:33:16 AMThis can't be right.
@Fieldhouse Flyer told me the Big East was going to get raided in the portal. Not take in the biggest guys on the market so far.
no doubt UW-Stout and UW-River Falls are in a $ battle royale for Tre Norman.
Quote from: Viper on March 26, 2025, 11:51:14 AMno doubt UW-Stout and UW-River Falls are in a $ battle royale for Tre Norman.
Serious question: Why rag non-stop on one of our players?
The young man has made a serious commitment to your alma mater, and he has worked his azz off for the basketball program. To the best of all of our knowledge, his only crime has been not performing up to others' expectations.
If you want to criticize the coach for not bringing in better players, it's one thing. Ripping college athletes who are good kids and doing the best they can is pretty low.
Creighton's Pop Isaacs is in the portal.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 26, 2025, 01:54:07 PMCreighton's Pop Isaacs is in the portal.
so is Mason Miller. Talk about a guy who lost his shot. 45% from three in 23-24 to 17% this past season (and just 21% FG shooting overall). He made only three 3s during regular season BE play.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 26, 2025, 02:18:22 PMso is Mason Miller. Talk about a guy who lost his shot. 45% from three in 23-24 to 17% this past season (and just 21% FG shooting overall). He made only three 3s during regular season BE play.
Sounds like his name is Mason because he's a brick-layer.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 26, 2025, 02:28:37 PMSounds like his name is Mason because he's a brick-layer.
Bravo!
Rumored that Owen Freeman is headed to Creighton.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 26, 2025, 02:18:22 PMso is Mason Miller. Talk about a guy who lost his shot. 45% from three in 23-24 to 17% this past season (and just 21% FG shooting overall). He made only three 3s during regular season BE play.
Sounds like he would've fit on our team this year
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 26, 2025, 04:36:39 PMRumored that Owen Freeman is headed to Creighton.
It's just been confirmed, Owen Freeman is going to Creighton.
Quote from: K1 Lover on March 26, 2025, 07:17:59 PMIt's just been confirmed, Owen Freeman is going to Creighton.
Creighton will be involved in a lot of 82-80 games next season.
Quote from: K1 Lover on March 26, 2025, 07:17:59 PMIt's just been confirmed, Owen Freeman is going to Creighton.
Creighton slowly but surely distancing MU.
Quote from: K1 Lover on March 26, 2025, 07:17:59 PMIt's just been confirmed, Owen Freeman is going to Creighton.
McDermott has found a nice balance in building a roster with HS recruits and filling holes via the Portal.
I had alot of alot of people freaking out about Freeman going to Creighton in my group chat.
And all I have to say is this. 1. Its a good get for creighton and he would start on any Big east team, but also 2. why do we care about what player worse than Kalkbrenner they find to replace Kalkbrenner?
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 10:17:23 AMCreighton slowly but surely distancing MU.
Hilarious considering they're losing Kalkbrenner, who is an objectively better player than Freeman.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 10:17:23 AMCreighton slowly but surely distancing MU.
I'm still waiting for you to identify the coach you want to replace Shaka at MU. Complaining through the process but being prepared to jump on the Shaka bandwagon if is successful would seem to be a little weak. You obviously don't believe Shaka is a good coach so you shouldn't be afraid to name your desired replacement.
Is anyone really free, man?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 27, 2025, 10:41:50 AMI'm still waiting for you to identify the coach you want to replace Shaka at MU. Complaining through the process but being prepared to jump on the Shaka bandwagon if is successful would seem to be a little weak. You obviously don't believe Shaka is a good coach so you shouldn't be afraid to name your desired replacement.
And you obviously have no clue
Never said to replace Shaka. But you just did
Shaka needs to adapt or will be left behind by Creighton, St. John's, UConn etc. So sorry you are blind to that
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 11:12:44 AMAnd you obviously have no clue
Never said to replace Shaka. But you just did
Shaka needs to adapt or will be left behind by Creighton, St. John's, UConn etc. So sorry you are blind to that
You can keep saying this, but the reality is that since Shaka arrived at Marquette MU has been an equal program to Creighton, been a far better program than SJU, and has been worse than UCONN. UCONN has been the best program in the country since Shaka has arrived.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 11:12:44 AMAnd you obviously have no clue
Never said to replace Shaka. But you just did
Shaka needs to adapt or will be left behind by Creighton, St. John's, UConn etc. So sorry you are blind to that
UConn needs to adapt. They got passed by Creighton and St John's.
Round of 32 after back-to-back nattys? Massive decline.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 27, 2025, 10:41:50 AMI'm still waiting for you to identify the coach you want to replace Shaka at MU. Complaining through the process but being prepared to jump on the Shaka bandwagon if is successful would seem to be a little weak. You obviously don't believe Shaka is a good coach so you shouldn't be afraid to name your desired replacement.
And you obviously have no clue. Never said to replace him but you did. Nice try to put words in my mouth. Recognize that Shaka needs to adapt.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 11:12:44 AMAnd you obviously have no clue
Never said to replace Shaka. But you just did
Shaka needs to adapt or will be left behind by Creighton, St. John's, UConn etc. So sorry you are blind to that
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 11:23:01 AMAnd you obviously have no clue. Never said to replace him but you did. Nice try to put words in my mouth. Recognize that Shaka needs to adapt.
That's weak. You say he's not doing it the right way so, if he fails, you can dance around and say I told you so. If he's successful, you can dance around and say I supported Shaka all along.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 27, 2025, 10:22:25 AMMcDermott has found a nice balance in building a roster with HS recruits and filling holes via the Portal.
And he lost Pop Isaacs. So a net wash.
Al Amadou transferring.
2 open scholarships now.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 27, 2025, 12:05:59 PMAl Amadou transferring.
2 open scholarships now.
Oh? Where are you seeing that?
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 27, 2025, 12:08:18 PMOh? Where are you seeing that?
https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1905303186765656511
https://x.com/CollegeFBPortal/status/1905288070985118073?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://x.com/CBBcontent/status/1905291976502657370?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Sounds like Dent to UCLA.
Terrence Brown to PC or SH makes some sense based on the state of their programs.
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 27, 2025, 12:12:37 PMTerrence Brown to PC or SH makes some sense based on the state of their programs.
New Jersey and Rhode Island.
You're welcome!
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 27, 2025, 12:10:45 PMhttps://x.com/CollegeFBPortal/status/1905288070985118073?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://x.com/CBBcontent/status/1905291976502657370?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Sounds like Dent to UCLA.
Sounds like it's going to be a tougher start for Xavier next year.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 27, 2025, 12:45:38 PMSounds like it's going to be a tougher start for Xavier next year.
Looks like Fieldhouse Farter was right
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 27, 2025, 12:10:45 PMhttps://x.com/CollegeFBPortal/status/1905288070985118073?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
https://x.com/CBBcontent/status/1905291976502657370?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Sounds like Dent to UCLA.
I guess Mick Cronin is definitely out of the running for Villanova.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 27, 2025, 10:31:43 AMHilarious considering they're losing Kalkbrenner, who is an objectively better player than Freeman.
Yeah, I'd say Creighton distancing MU is a stretch, but Freeman is almost certainly a better replacement for Kalkbrenner than any of the internal candidates. In which case, Creighton's 2025-26 roster is better today than it was yesterday.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on March 27, 2025, 11:54:39 AMAnd he lost Pop Isaacs. So a net wash.
perusing the Creighton board it sounds like addition by subtraction
With Amadou out, are there any players in the portal that were Shaka recruits that we'd want or think we have a chance at?
Heard one talking head sports show guy today state that all 16 teams still left in the dance have paortal guys on the team, with the average over 2 getting significant minutes. Guess that is one way to build a competent roster. Shaka, are you hearing any of this?
Can we hand Magoon Gwath a bag? Seems perfect for our needs.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 01:47:24 PMHeard one talking head sports show guy today state that all 16 teams still left in the dance have paortal guys on the team, with the average over 2 getting significant minutes. Guess that is one way to build a competent roster. Shaka, are you hearing any of this?
No. He lost his ears as a child
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 01:47:24 PMHeard one talking head sports show guy today state that all 16 teams still left in the dance have paortal guys on the team, with the average over 2 getting significant minutes. Guess that is one way to build a competent roster. Shaka, are you hearing any of this?
Give him a ring. 414-288-7130
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/shaka-smart/1956
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 01:49:56 PMGive him a ring. 414-288-7130
(Sound of a phone ringing, then a click as it's answered)
Shaka Smart: Hello? This is Shaka.
Voice (Warm, slightly raspy): Coach Smart? It's, uh, it's a friend. A concerned friend.
Shaka Smart: I don't recognize the voice. Who is this?
Voice: Doesn't matter, Coach. What matters is the future of Marquette basketball. You've built something special, a real foundation. But, you know, foundations can always use a little...reinforcement.
Shaka Smart: I'm not sure I follow.
Voice: The transfer portal, Shaka. The sacred portal. It's a garden of opportunity. A veritable smorgasbord of talent. Think of it. A seasoned veteran, a sharpshooter, a defensive stalwart, all just a few clicks away.
Shaka Smart: We value developing our players. We build from within.
Voice: Of course, you do, Coach. And admirable it is. But the landscape has changed. The game has evolved. It's a jungle out there. Everyone's poaching, everyone's grabbing. And you, Shaka, you're building a beautiful, intricate sandcastle while the tide's coming in.
Shaka Smart: I understand the challenges, but...
Voice: Challenges? Opportunities, Coach! Think of the strategic advantage. Plug a gap instantly. Add experience, depth, a touch of...spice. The portal isn't a shortcut; it's a high-speed lane on the highway to the Final Four.
Shaka Smart: We have a strong recruiting class coming in.
Voice: And they'll be fantastic. But time is a cruel mistress. You need players ready now. Players who've seen the battles, felt the pressure. Think of the mentorship, the leadership they can provide. Imagine, Shaka, imagine a team with that extra edge, that added experience, that...je ne sais quoi.
Shaka Smart: I appreciate your...enthusiasm. But we have a plan.
Voice: Plans change, Coach. Adapt. Evolve. Embrace the chaos. It's not about abandoning your principles; it's about maximizing your potential. The portal is a tool, a powerful tool. Use it wisely. Use it strategically. Use it...Shaka.
Shaka Smart: (Sighs) I'll...consider it. Thank you.
Voice: That's all I ask, Coach. Just consider. The future of Marquette basketball may depend on it. (A faint, almost imperceptible chuckle) Now, if you'll excuse me, I have another call to make. (Click. The line goes dead.)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on March 27, 2025, 01:54:58 PM(Sound of a phone ringing, then a click as it's answered)
Shaka Smart: Hello? This is Shaka.
Voice (Warm, slightly raspy): Coach Smart? It's, uh, it's a friend. A concerned friend.
Shaka Smart: I don't recognize the voice. Who is this?
Voice: Doesn't matter, Coach. What matters is the future of Marquette basketball. You've built something special, a real foundation. But, you know, foundations can always use a little...reinforcement.
Shaka Smart: I'm not sure I follow.
Voice: The transfer portal, Shaka. The sacred portal. It's a garden of opportunity. A veritable smorgasbord of talent. Think of it. A seasoned veteran, a sharpshooter, a defensive stalwart, all just a few clicks away.
Shaka Smart: We value developing our players. We build from within.
Voice: Of course, you do, Coach. And admirable it is. But the landscape has changed. The game has evolved. It's a jungle out there. Everyone's poaching, everyone's grabbing. And you, Shaka, you're building a beautiful, intricate sandcastle while the tide's coming in.
Shaka Smart: I understand the challenges, but...
Voice: Challenges? Opportunities, Coach! Think of the strategic advantage. Plug a gap instantly. Add experience, depth, a touch of...spice. The portal isn't a shortcut; it's a high-speed lane on the highway to the Final Four.
Shaka Smart: We have a strong recruiting class coming in.
Voice: And they'll be fantastic. But time is a cruel mistress. You need players ready now. Players who've seen the battles, felt the pressure. Think of the mentorship, the leadership they can provide. Imagine, Shaka, imagine a team with that extra edge, that added experience, that...je ne sais quoi.
Shaka Smart: I appreciate your...enthusiasm. But we have a plan.
Voice: Plans change, Coach. Adapt. Evolve. Embrace the chaos. It's not about abandoning your principles; it's about maximizing your potential. The portal is a tool, a powerful tool. Use it wisely. Use it strategically. Use it...Shaka.
Shaka Smart: (Sighs) I'll...consider it. Thank you.
Voice: That's all I ask, Coach. Just consider. The future of Marquette basketball may depend on it. (A faint, almost imperceptible chuckle) Now, if you'll excuse me, I have another call to make. (Click. The line goes dead.)
You forgot we are trending down and Creighton, SJU, and UCONN are separating themselves from us.
But, well done.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 01:58:41 PMYou forgot we are trending down and Creighton, SJU, and UCONN are separating themselves from us.
But, well done.
Lacks human orifice references as well
Hmmmm....very good satire. Somehow I suspect this to be a jab at some who feel the portal should be used by Shaka, and not just to crapcan players...or is it a jab at Shaka? Or a jab at both camps? Pray do tell.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 02:01:32 PMHmmmm....very good satire.
Gemini: transcript of a fictional call to shaka smart encouraging him to use the transfer portal
I thought it did a fantastic job guessing the words on both sides.
(https://media.tenor.com/3HYwal_nHtwAAAAM/dead-my-honest-reaction.gif)
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 01:49:56 PMGive him a ring. 414-288-7130
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/shaka-smart/1956
I would rather see him get an NCAA championship ring. But since you have all the answers and his number, you give him a ring with your sound advice. Probably something like "Damn the portal, full speed ahead."
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 02:11:37 PMI would rather see him get an NCAA championship ring. But since you have all the answers and his number, you give him a ring with your sound advice. Probably something like "Damn the portal, full speed ahead."
I am not the one asking Shaka if he is listening to the radio. You wanted to know that information. You can inform him. Why wouldn't you want to help him in getting that NCAA championship ring, since you seem to think that's the answer?
Isiah Abraham to the portal.
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1905339816578809961
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2025, 02:46:30 PMIsiah Abraham to the portal.
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1905339816578809961
This is one that feels possible
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 02:50:18 PMThis is one that feels possible
Dad played at Marquette. I believe we were the runner-up to UConn. Would definitely fall into the "relationships" category.
Is there a spot for him though? I assume Parham and Owens would already be ahead of him in his class.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 02:50:18 PMThis is one that feels possible
Reminds me of owens a bit, lots of upside but raw as hell
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 02:50:18 PMThis is one that feels possible
Not sure where he would fit.
With Ross, Lowery, Owens, Miletic, Stevens and Phillips, the team already goes three deep at the 2 and 3 spots.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2025, 02:51:33 PMDad played at Marquette. I believe we were the runner-up to UConn. Would definitely fall into the "relationships" category.
Is there a spot for him though? I assume Parham and Owens would already be ahead of him.
15 spots
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 03:03:02 PM15 spots
I mean more so in terms of playing time than scholarships.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 03:03:02 PM15 spots
Yup. And could see him being able to play up a position. Not that he will be Jae Crowder or Lazar Hayward, but similar to that.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2025, 03:04:14 PMI mean more so in terms of playing time than scholarships.
We don't do bigs
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 03:14:48 PMYup. And could see him being able to play up a position. Not that he will be Jae Crowder or Lazar Hayward, but similar to that.
Interesting... I did not consider him playing up a position.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2025, 03:24:39 PMInteresting... I did not consider him playing up a position.
He's listed at 205, so I dunno if that tracks.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 27, 2025, 11:17:14 AMYou can keep saying this, but the reality is that since Shaka arrived at Marquette MU has been an equal program to Creighton, been a far better program than SJU, and has been worse than UCONN. UCONN has been the best program in the country since Shaka has arrived.
Not this year bud. And not next year. Now that is the real reality. Not the past.
Adapt or get further behind. That is the hill you seem to want to try to take. Maybe another year of middle of the pack will change your mind.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 03:35:20 PMNot this year bud. And not next year. Now that is the real reality. Not the past.
Adapt or get further behind. That is the hill you seem to want to try to take. Maybe another year of middle of the pack will change your mind.
We got a higher seed than both UCONN and Creighton this year bud.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 27, 2025, 02:01:21 PMLacks human orifice references as well
Also forgot to call him Shaka-Wojo-Dukiet-Winter.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 27, 2025, 01:47:24 PMHeard one talking head sports show guy today state that all 16 teams still left in the dance have paortal guys on the team
You either didn't hear this or are listening to someone who is misinformed
Feel our program is strong yet but for the first time in a few years not as certain about our our roster and win anyway philosophy. Even after losing Oso and Tyler felt program was strong enough to overcome. Feel it is strong enough to over come yet but not as certain. Feel Losing Al and not getting Freeman does not help. But trusting The Program and Shaka since they got us to the Big Dance for four years in a row.
One of my AAU players has entered the portal (second time... did 2 years ago as well).
Let's talk po$$ibikities, schools!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 27, 2025, 09:07:35 PMYou either didn't hear this or are listening to someone who is misinformed
It's Willie. That's all you need to know really.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2025, 02:51:33 PMDad played at Marquette. I believe we were the runner-up to UConn. Would definitely fall into the "relationships" category.
Is there a spot for him though? I assume Parham and Owens would already be ahead of him in his class.
What does his class have to do with anything? They play different positions. Those 3 could all easily fit on the floor together.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 03:02:11 PMNot sure where he would fit.
With Ross, Lowery, Owens, Miletic, Stevens and Phillips, the team already goes three deep at the 2 and 3 spots.
He's definitely not a 2 and wouldn't have to be a 3.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 27, 2025, 09:26:45 PMWhat does his class have to do with anything? They play different positions. Those 3 could all easily fit on the floor together.
He's definitely not a 2 and wouldn't have to be a 3.
In your first quote you say Abraham, Owens (a three, who could possibly play two in an emergency) and Parham (a four) play different positions. In the next, you say Abraham definitely isn't a 2.
So, you got him running the point or in the post?
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 27, 2025, 09:19:49 PMFeel our program is strong yet but for the first time in a few years not as certain about our our roster and win anyway philosophy. Even after losing Oso and Tyler felt program was strong enough to overcome. Feel it is strong enough to over come yet but not as certain. Feel Losing Al and not getting Freeman does not help. But trusting The Program and Shaka since they got us to the Big Dance for four years in a row.
Al was a great athlete with no basketball skills, no loss, a positive for opening up another scholarship
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 27, 2025, 09:26:45 PMWhat does his class have to do with anything? They play different positions. Those 3 could all easily fit on the floor together.
I was considering Royce a 4, Owens a 3, and Abraham a 3 or 4.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 27, 2025, 09:34:39 PMIn your first quote you say Abraham, Owens (a three, who could possibly play two in an emergency) and Parham (a four) play different positions. In the next, you say Abraham definitely isn't a 2.
So, you got him running the point or in the post?
You have thousands and thousands of posts on this forum so I expect you follow the team closely enough to know Shaka and the staff think Owens can be a PG.
Abrahams is a 6'7 200+lb forward, he's a 3 or a 4, not even remotely a 2, I think most would agree with that.
Like I said earlier, you could easily see these three on the floor together at the same time. Whether it's DO at 1/2 plus Royce and Abraham exchanging at 3/4
Quote from: TallTitan34 on March 27, 2025, 10:08:18 PMI was considering Royce a 4, Owens a 3, and Abraham a 3 or 4.
Fair, I think DO is more versatile but I get it. I think shaka would love the size and versatility of all three playing together.
Carey Booth from Illinois is in the transfer portal. He was a former four-star star recruit and was ranked #82 overall in the 2023 class.
Ryan Conwell from X is in the Portal. He and his 41% from three would look good Championship Blue:
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1905615407911715131
You are thinking UNC?
Quote from: tower912 on March 28, 2025, 08:48:02 AMYou are thinking UNC?
Yeah, what good would a 41% three-point shooter do for us when we could take a high school big man project with the upside of Dwight Burke instead?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 09:11:59 AMYeah, what good would a 41% three-point shooter do for us when we could take a high school big man project with the upside of Dwight Burke instead?
Do those two players cost the same?
are we going to brag about how much money we can give a guy, or say we can't afford to get a guy?
Quote from: avid1010 on March 28, 2025, 09:20:01 AMDo those two players cost the same?
So we're going to become the Kansas City Royals and Pittsburgh Pirates of CBB?
I support Shaka's emphasis on recruiting high school kids and developing them, but if you have a chance to get a proven performer to fill a hole, you do it. 11 of Michigan State's 13 players were recruited out of high school, but Izzo went out and got two grad transfers to fill holes in the roster, and they're in the Sweet 16.
Shaka has pursued targets in the portal every year he has been here, I expect this year to be no different. The staff has always played their cards close to the vest regarding all recruiting, I expect this year to be no different.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 09:42:17 AMSo we're going to become the Kansas City Royals and Pittsburgh Pirates of CBB?
I would take a championship like the Royals have. I think that's kind of exactly the path Shaka is taking. I'd throw in the Brewers as well.
We are a small Jesuit school with passionate alums and we do invest in basketball. However, we are not going to have the resources to outbid the top spenders or even the next rung.
However, Shaka has found a way in the chaos to have a team that gets old and hopefully stays old. It might work, or it might not. Just like depending on the portal annually may or may not work.
From where we were when he started to now, I am excited to see where he takes us.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 28, 2025, 09:50:45 AMI would take a championship like the Royals have. I think that's kind of exactly the path Shaka is taking. I'd throw in the Brewers as well.
We are a small Jesuit school with passionate alums and we do invest in basketball. However, we are not going to have the resources to outbid the top spenders or even the next rung.
However, Shaka has found a way in the chaos to have a team that gets old and hopefully stays old. It might work, or it might not. Just like depending on the portal annually may or may not work.
From where we were when he started to now, I am excited to see where he takes us.
We draw over 16k fans game playing in an NBA arena, pay our coach over $2 million a year, and are among the top spenders in all of college hoops. We have deep pocketed alums too. We aren't Loyola Marymount or Holy Cross.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 10:01:49 AMWe draw over 16k fans game playing in an NBA arena, pay our coach over $2 million a year, and are among the top spenders in all of college hoops. We have deep pocketed alums too. We aren't Loyola Marymount or Holy Cross.
A lot of the spending has to do with renting that arena. So, we are already spending a lot of money and are relying heavily on those alums to reach the level we are at. Are the resources beyond that consistently over time enough to bump the program up a level using,for example,the portal to a great degree?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 09:11:59 AMYeah, what good would a 41% three-point shooter do for us when we could take a high school big man project with the upside of Dwight Burke instead?
Facts
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 10:01:49 AMWe draw over 16k fans game playing in an NBA arena, pay our coach over $2 million a year, and are among the top spenders in all of college hoops. We have deep pocketed alums too. We aren't Loyola Marymount or Holy Cross.
But we're also not Florida or Kentucky.
#muMbb... where shooters go to see their 3fg% massively decline
#COLE
Shooters shoot. #muMbb shooters shoot & miss. :(((
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:12:19 AMBut we're also not Florida or Kentucky.
Right. It'll be a struggle to match the big state/football schools when it comes to resources.
But we ought to be competitive with the Creightons and Gonzagas of the world. If they can land players like Owen Freeman, Baylor Scheiermann, Khaliff Battle and Ryan Nembhard, Marquette should be able to compete in that same space.
I'm not saying MU
has to go out and land players like that. But lack of resources shouldn't be the reason not to.
Does St. John's have more money than us or is it the pitinio charm? They pulled that former 5 star recruit from ASU pretty quick: you'd think a big school would offer a pile of money for that kid
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 10:38:14 AMDoes St. John's have more money than us or is it the pitinio charm? They pulled that former 5 star recruit from ASU pretty quick: you'd think a big school would offer a pile of money for that kid
They have a ton of money.
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/03/14/inside-the-billionaire-nil-donor-behind-st-johns-basketball-success/
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 28, 2025, 09:50:45 AMShaka has found a way in the chaos to have a team that gets old and hopefully stays old. It might work, or it might not. Just like depending on the portal annually may or may not work.
From where we were when he started to now, I am excited to see where he takes us.
This is where I am, but
it will take time to tell if Shaka's system will work...as in easily two more seasons.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 10:38:14 AMDoes St. John's have more money than us or is it the pitinio charm? They pulled that former 5 star recruit from ASU pretty quick: you'd think a big school would offer a pile of money for that kid
They have this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Repole) underwriting their NIL program.
Marquette doesn't have someone like that. And even if they did, and unless it was the ONLY thing they wanted to support, the University would likely want them to support something else.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:40:45 AMThey have this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Repole) underwriting their NIL program.
Marquette doesn't have someone like that. And even if they did, and unless it was the ONLY thing they wanted to support, the University would likely want them to support something else.
Mike Repole. Nice to have a billionaire in your pocket.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 10:39:49 AMThey have a ton of money.
https://www.sportsbusinessjournal.com/Articles/2025/03/14/inside-the-billionaire-nil-donor-behind-st-johns-basketball-success/
lol....
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:40:45 AMThey have this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Repole) underwriting their NIL program.
Marquette doesn't have someone like that. And even if they did, and unless it was the ONLY thing they wanted to support, the University would likely want them to support something else.
That is the most St. Johns guy to ever St. Johns. It'd be like if the pope required all Catholic churches to serve brats after mass and a Marquette grad founded a brewery solely for the purpose of brewing the beer in which those brats were boiled, and then that beer was transubstantiated into the blood of Christ at mass.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:40:45 AMThey have this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Repole) underwriting their NIL program.
Marquette doesn't have someone like that. And even if they did, and unless it was the ONLY thing they wanted to support, the University would likely want them to support something else.
Marcus Lemonis, eh?
Which players in the portal should MU realistically sign? Most of the justification for using the portal is to get better players. Which ones?
BTW, Purdue is in the Sweet 16. Did they rely on the portal to get there? I see there starters all were Purdue signees originally.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 10:48:26 AMMarcus Lemonis, eh?
He's worth about $500M, but I don't think he really is a sports guy.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 28, 2025, 11:01:39 AMWhich players in the portal should MU realistically sign? Most of the justification for using the portal is to get better players. Which ones?
BTW, Purdue is in the Sweet 16. Did they relied on the portal to get there? I see there starters all were Purdue signees originally.
You will never get an honest answer for this one. The folks demanding portal action are the same that can't be bothered to sift through the portal for guys who fit Marquette's needs. Culture, financials, minutes available... they're nothing to the cry babies.
Just go out and get those unicorns!
Quote from: Bahama on March 28, 2025, 11:04:37 AMHe's worth about $500M, but I don't think he really is a sports guy.
Yeah, that's what I was referring to. He's more interested in buildings than basketballs.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 08:47:11 AMRyan Conwell from X is in the Portal. He and his 41% from three would look good Championship Blue:
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1905615407911715131
He'd look good in literally any uniform color in the country.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 28, 2025, 11:10:09 AMHe'd look good in literally any uniform color in the country.
Burnt Orange in particular
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 28, 2025, 11:01:39 AMWhich players in the portal should MU realistically sign? Most of the justification for using the portal is to get better players. Which ones?
If Shaka called me and I got to choose, I'd take the big guy from Northern Arizona
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:40:45 AMThey have this guy (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Repole) underwriting their NIL program.
Marquette doesn't have someone like that. And even if they did, and unless it was the ONLY thing they wanted to support, the University would likely want them to support something else.
Which is why Shaka is not going to the portal because he knows the money is not there and if it was Marquette would want the money spent elsewhere and not support our D1 basketball team.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 10:12:19 AMBut we're also not Florida or Kentucky.
...do not have to be, imo. I'm a circular reel on this, but think BIG. Overcome the obstacles to getting the best talent. Adapt. Adjust. Two, three project players is crazy to me. Tre, Keeyan, Al, Caedin ...come on. Do not accept 'can't do'. Shaka better than Woj, for sure. But, it gets old watching other teams play 2nd weekend...yet again. Since Buzz' Elite 8 our high water mark is a single S16. Unacceptable for a program such as Marquette. That 2022-23 BE and BE tourney win was fools gold. So many here are satisfied with that. The reply is always that Shaka gets it. In Shaka we trust. Those 2-seeds. Great. Resulted in what? MU pays a HC a lot of money to be better than what we've been. We allocate enough $ to facilities and recruiting to be better than we've been. We are hoping guys pan out. That's not a plan. HS recruits. Transfers. There is soooo much in-state talent not giving MU a sniff. Why? Talent that is helluva lot better than what's on our current roster. Duke comes here and pillages. Iowa St too! If Shaka doesn't want to go the hard route to win, then move on from Shaka. He's not the only guy out there. Whatever it takes to win ncaat games(S). Why is this approach so difficult to accept for so many Scoopers? Or, be happy with hope we win and be done with it. Thx for the vine.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 09:42:17 AMI support Shaka's emphasis on recruiting high school kids and developing them, but if you have a chance to get a proven performer to fill a hole, you do it. 11 of Michigan State's 13 players were recruited out of high school, but Izzo went out and got two grad transfers to fill holes in the roster, and they're in the Sweet 16.
This is reasonable.
We don't know the financials when it comes to what is available in NIL, nor are we fans involved in whatever interviews and research that Shaka conducts to determine if a player is the right fit.
But it seems reasonable to believe that Marquette could get a player or two from the portal who would fill needs in our rotation without damaging Shaka's basic recruit/develop/retain philosophy.
Bring the Gus Bus home.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 28, 2025, 11:35:58 AMWhich is why Shaka is not going to the portal because he knows the money is not there and if it was Marquette would want the money spent elsewhere and not support our D1 basketball team.
So we're piss broke and can never afford a decent transfer? Jee that sucks gonna be a long road hoping are fringe top 100 guys always get good and stick around
Quote from: tower912 on March 28, 2025, 11:44:52 AMBring the Gus Bus home.
He was particularly brutal when I saw him on the court this year but he was a 247 4*
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 11:47:48 AMSo we're piss broke and can never afford a decent transfer? Jee that sucks gonna be a long road hoping are fringe top 100 guys always get good and stick around
We're not broke.
Quote from: Viper on March 28, 2025, 11:40:25 AM...do not have to be, imo. I'm a circular reel on this, but think BIG. Overcome the obstacles to getting the best talent. Adapt. Adjust. Two, three project players is crazy to me. Tre, Keeyan, Al, Caedin ...come on. Do not accept 'can't do'. Shaka better than Woj, for sure. But, it gets old watching other teams play 2nd weekend...yet again. Since Buzz' Elite 8 our high water mark is a single S16. Unacceptable for a program such as Marquette. That 2022-23 BE and BE tourney win was fools gold. So many here are satisfied with that. The reply is always that Shaka gets it. In Shaka we trust. Those 2-seeds. Great. Resulted in what? MU pays a HC a lot of money to be better than what we've been. We allocate enough $ to facilities and recruiting to be better than we've been. We are hoping guys pan out. That's not a plan. HS recruits. Transfers. There is soooo much in-state talent not giving MU a sniff. Why? Talent that is helluva lot better than what's on our current roster. Duke comes here and pillages. Iowa St too! If Shaka doesn't want to go the hard route to win, then move on from Shaka. He's not the only guy out there. Whatever it takes to win ncaat games(S). Why is this approach so difficult to accept for so many Scoopers? Or, be happy with hope we win and be done with it. Thx for the vine.
You seem like a very unhappy person.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 28, 2025, 11:35:58 AMWhich is why Shaka is not going to the portal because he knows the money is not there and if it was Marquette would want the money spent elsewhere and not support our D1 basketball team.
This is laughably false.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 12:00:53 PMYou read that?
I skimmed it. Looked like he was just playing the hits. Though, I saw no mention of RED.
Anyone else here find it strange that ideal portal transfers for Marquette discussed here are assumed to be stars from high major teams? Is it not possible that a talented, proven senior big from a mid-major just might be the type of player who would buy into Shaka's culture and "improve the team" next season?
Shaka was fairly successful when he took on a transfer from a mid-major, seeing the PG potential in the guy.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 12:00:11 PMThis is laughably false.
Correct. There is money in the collective. Not SJU money, but there are a few shekels to spread around.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 11:49:25 AMYou seem like a very unhappy person.
I'm a lark. And love winning. Sorry it came off as dour.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 28, 2025, 12:21:43 PMAnyone else here find it strange that ideal portal transfers for Marquette discussed here are assumed to be stars from high major teams? Is it not possible that a talented, proven senior big from a mid-major just might be the type of player who would buy into Shaka's culture and "improve the team" next season?
Shaka was fairly successful when he took on a transfer from a mid-major, seeing the PG potential in the guy.
Not really strange since we are more familiar with the higher profile players from seeing them play multiple times. I do agree with the idea that a high performer at a lower level school is much more likely to land here than a high performer from a high level school.
Can "piss broke" afford "a high performer at a lower level school?" Asking for a friend...
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 28, 2025, 12:41:58 PMCan "piss broke" afford "a high performer at a lower level school?" Asking for a friend...
You don't have any here. Probably anywhere.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 11:05:44 AMYou will never get an honest answer for this one. The folks demanding portal action are the same that can't be bothered to sift through the portal for guys who fit Marquette's needs. Culture, financials, minutes available... they're nothing to the cry babies.
Just go out and get those unicorns!
Obviously Conwell is a reach, like when I applied to Duke. How about Max McKinnon, a 6-6 scoring combo from Portland who averaged 14.5 ppg game last year and was CAA freshman of the year at Elon? Or Christof Tilly, a 7-0 240 big from Santa Clara? An all-name team guy, All Wright from Valpo, a 6-3 PG who was MVC freshman of the year, averaging 15.5 ppg and shot 38% from three? There are a couple who A) would probably not cost a lot in NIL, and B) fit positions of need.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 01:11:28 PMObviously Conwell is a reach, like when I applied to Duke. How about Max McKinnon, a 6-6 scoring combo from Portland who averaged 14.5 ppg game last year and was CAA freshman of the year at Elon? Or Christof Tilly, a 7-0 240 big from Santa Clara? An all-name team guy, All Wright from Valpo, a 6-3 PG who was MVC freshman of the year, averaging 15.5 ppg and shot 38% from three? There are a couple who A) would probably not cost a lot in NIL, and B) fit positions of need.
Agree that maybe adding a player or two from a mid-major could work nicely.
Broome (Morehead State), Scheierman (South Dakota State), Conwell (Indiana State), our own Rowsey (UNC-Asheville) ... I mean, there are dozens of guys who have gone that route and done well at this level.
Obviously, there also are chances for major misses. Hello, Joe Chartouny. But it's still definitely worth looking ... and I trust that Shaka is doing just that.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 01:11:28 PMObviously Conwell is a reach, like when I applied to Duke. How about Max McKinnon, a 6-6 scoring combo from Portland who averaged 14.5 ppg game last year and was CAA freshman of the year at Elon? Or Christof Tilly, a 7-0 240 big from Santa Clara? An all-name team guy, All Wright from Valpo, a 6-3 PG who was MVC freshman of the year, averaging 15.5 ppg and shot 38% from three? There are a couple who A) would probably not cost a lot in NIL, and B) fit positions of need.
While were compiling a wish list, how about this guy from just across town who ranked 7th in NCAA in rebounding this year as a junior?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5241667/jamichael-stillwell (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5241667/jamichael-stillwell)
Edit: I have no idea if he is in the portal or not.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 01:11:28 PMObviously Conwell is a reach, like when I applied to Duke. How about Max McKinnon, a 6-6 scoring combo from Portland who averaged 14.5 ppg game last year and was CAA freshman of the year at Elon? Or Christof Tilly, a 7-0 240 big from Santa Clara? An all-name team guy, All Wright from Valpo, a 6-3 PG who was MVC freshman of the year, averaging 15.5 ppg and shot 38% from three? There are a couple who A) would probably not cost a lot in NIL, and B) fit positions of need.
I think All Wright is already down to 3-4 teams
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 11:49:25 AMYou seem like a very unhappy person.
And completely uninformed and irrational.
https://247sports.com/player/luke-jacobson-46153128/college-323817/
Was he on a scholarship? Just entered portal.
Quote from: nyg on March 28, 2025, 02:06:54 PMhttps://247sports.com/player/luke-jacobson-46153128/college-323817/
Was he on a scholarship? Just entered portal.
He was not on scholarship, and with no walk-ons likely next year, he is likely looking at transfering down to 2 or 3 I would imagine.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 28, 2025, 09:42:17 AMI support Shaka's emphasis on recruiting high school kids and developing them, but if you have a chance to get a proven performer to fill a hole, you do it. 11 of Michigan State's 13 players were recruited out of high school, but Izzo went out and got two grad transfers to fill holes in the roster, and they're in the Sweet 16.
I 100% concur.
Shaka has said before that whenever he loses (specifically in the NCAA tournament, I think), he talks to the other coach and asks them what they do culturally that makes them successful. Izzo previously told him in 2023 that he does 1:1s with each of his players, which is why Shaka has been doing the same ever since.
A part of me wishes we could've beaten New Mexico so that, if we lost to Michigan State, Izzo could've at least told him the quote above.
Quote from: Johnny B on March 28, 2025, 11:47:48 AMSo we're piss broke and can never afford a decent transfer? Jee that sucks gonna be a long road hoping are fringe top 100 guys always get good and stick around
My guess is Marquette determined they can't compete in the free agent market and thats why Shaka runs with the philosophy he does. We know he pulled transfers for Marquette for 2 years, including 1 year rental players.
Did he do similar at Texas?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on March 28, 2025, 01:34:18 PMWhile were compiling a wish list, how about this guy from just across town who ranked 7th in NCAA in rebounding this year as a junior?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5241667/jamichael-stillwell (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5241667/jamichael-stillwell)
Edit: I have no idea if he is in the portal or not.
"Rebounding Machine" Jamichael Stillwell
is in the portal.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uwm/2025/03/11/uwm-rebounding-machine-jamichael-stillwell-is-entering-transfer-portal/82271835007/
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 28, 2025, 03:32:19 PM"Rebounding Machine" Jamichael Stillwell is in the portal.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uwm/2025/03/11/uwm-rebounding-machine-jamichael-stillwell-is-entering-transfer-portal/82271835007/
Could add toughness and might be just what the doctor ordered for our rebounding.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 28, 2025, 03:32:19 PM"Rebounding Machine" Jamichael Stillwell is in the portal.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uwm/2025/03/11/uwm-rebounding-machine-jamichael-stillwell-is-entering-transfer-portal/82271835007/
He looks closer to 6'6" to me.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 28, 2025, 03:32:19 PM"Rebounding Machine" Jamichael Stillwell is in the portal.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uwm/2025/03/11/uwm-rebounding-machine-jamichael-stillwell-is-entering-transfer-portal/82271835007/
In all honesty, JUCO to UWM would make it difficult for him to be eligible at MU under PTD rules
Morez Johnson in the portal. Yes please.
I automatically assume anyone coming from or considering Illinois is just looking for a bag. Would hope to be wrong though.
Quote from: Aircraftcarrier on March 28, 2025, 04:24:47 PMMorez Johnson in the portal. Yes please.
Where is JayBee when you need him.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 28, 2025, 12:53:40 PMYou don't have any here. Probably anywhere.
You are so cool, how can I be your friend?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 02:10:24 PMHe was not on scholarship, and with no walk-ons likely next year, he is likely looking at transfering down to 2 or 3 I would imagine.
Why no walk ons next year? Must have missed a change. Thanks for the info.
Quote from: JamilJaeJamailJrJuan on March 28, 2025, 04:41:22 PMWhy no walk ons next year? Must have missed a change. Thanks for the info.
There will be 15 scholarships available so there isn't really any reason to carry walk ons.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 28, 2025, 04:40:41 PMYou are so cool, how can I be your friend?
How much $ you got?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 28, 2025, 04:43:03 PMThere will be 15 scholarships available so there isn't really any reason to carry walk ons.
Not only that, but cannot carry walk ons. Teams can use (but don't have to) 15 scholarships, but any rostered player has to be receiving a full scholarship.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 28, 2025, 04:46:33 PMNot only that, but cannot carry walk ons. Teams can use (but don't have to) 15 scholarships, but any rostered player has to be receiving a full scholarship.
Not accurate. All sports will now be classified as equivalency sports, allowing schools to offer partial scholarships to players on the team, or no scholarships. Institutional aid will be able to offset athletic aid now as well. Teams can still carry walkons but not as many as before.
The SEC said they will only give 85 scholarships in football but still have 105 on the roster.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 28, 2025, 01:36:52 PMAnd completely uninformed and irrational.
maybe so. But passionate.
Just got a text from someone in one of those CBB chats that RJ Luis is about to hit the portal.
Quote from: Viper on March 28, 2025, 05:14:23 PMmaybe so. But passionate.
I'm just glad you finally stopped tiptoeing around and said you think Shaka should be fired. It's an interesting take, but thanks for your honesty.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 12:00:11 PMThis is laughably false.
You said we don't have a guy like St. John's has, but if we did Marquette would rather have the money spent elsewhere. What did you mean by that because it sounds like the University would rather spend money on other things rather than competing for basketball players.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 28, 2025, 05:43:56 PMJust got a text from someone in one of those CBB chats that RJ Luis is about to hit the portal.
If true, and not saying it is, would him being benched have damaged that relationship enough to enter the portal? If so, probably not a strong relationship to begin with.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 28, 2025, 06:05:55 PMIf true, and not saying it is, would him being benched have damaged that relationship enough to enter the portal? If so, probably not a strong relationship to begin with.
I would have to think so because this was tweeted earlier when Zuby was confirmed back
https://x.com/KevinConnelly24/status/1905687887368307066?t=9CV2rY3RW32q-Zfa6rv_Og&s=19
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 28, 2025, 06:05:55 PMIf true, and not saying it is, would him being benched have damaged that relationship enough to enter the portal? If so, probably not a strong relationship to begin with.
It's reported he deleted his instagram due to excessive harassment and hate. wouldn't sunrise me if he wanted a fresh start
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 28, 2025, 06:00:41 PMYou said we don't have a guy like St. John's has, but if we did Marquette would rather have the money spent elsewhere. What did you mean by that because it sounds like the University would rather spend money on other things rather than competing for basketball players.
You said lack of money is the reason Shaka isn't using the portal. That is false.
There is plenty of money. Just not St. John's level money.
The NCAA has been running a PSA asking people to not make death threats against the players just because you made a bad bet and lost money.
Quote from: MU82 on March 28, 2025, 05:46:25 PMI'm just glad you finally stopped tiptoeing around and said you think Shaka should be fired. It's an interesting take, but thanks for your honesty.
misleading on your part. Very. Not that it matters...no one cares, but why not quote my post if you are going to comment? You'll recall I posted the caveat, 'IF'.
Didn't someone state on here that you are/were a sports reporter? Did the MU j-school advocate for fringe truth?
He scored 30 last night! Wow!! Well, ok, 23...but it seemed like 30.
Donovan Dent to the Big Ten.
UCLA
Quote from: Viper on March 28, 2025, 06:20:46 PMmisleading on your part. Very. Not that it matters...no one cares, but why not quote my post if you are going to comment? You'll recall I posted the caveat, 'IF'.
Didn't someone state on here that you are/were a sports reporter? Did the MU j-school advocate for fringe truth?
He scored 30 last night! Wow!! Well, ok, 23...but it seemed like 30.
Yes, you're right. You only said, IF Shaka refuses to do what the anonymous interwebs poster with the handle Viper says, he should be fired.
RJ Luis officially transferring and declaring for the draft.
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/1905999000311910591?s=46&t=Lb8EYkmpy2ihHfZoXXfVgw
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 29, 2025, 10:16:48 AMRJ Luis officially transferring and declaring for the draft.
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/1905999000311910591?s=46&t=Lb8EYkmpy2ihHfZoXXfVgw
Many will assume that this came about because of the Pitino benching in that last game, but methinks there was something brewing sooner.
There were several times during the season where Rick openly praised Ejiofor, Richmond and others but it seemed odd to me like he didn't throw around a lot of praise for RJ.
Then Luis got BEPoY and helped bring StJ to its best season in ages, including double titles.
Now, I'd expect he heads somewhere else for more money. My guess is that Rick took offense to him even entertaining the idea, but these are indeed wild times.
It's the Wild Wild West out there
Jay Wright says Shaka's system doesn't work for those with championship dreams. He's actually calling out the one and done culture, but it might just work for Duke this year.
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-basketball/jay-wright-building-young-talent-era-over.html
Quote from: bradforster on March 29, 2025, 10:38:00 AMJay Wright says Shaka's system doesn't work for those with championship dreams.
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-basketball/jay-wright-building-young-talent-era-over.html
That's not what he's saying at all. Also, good pull on an article from last March that was about one-and-dones
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 10:39:00 AMThat's not what he's saying at all
Lol exactly. Brad thinks Shaka and Cal run the same program. Nobody else in the world would agree with that.
Quote from: bradforster on March 29, 2025, 10:38:00 AMJay Wright says Shaka's system doesn't work for those with championship dreams. He's actually calling out the one and done culture, but might just work for Duke this year.
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-basketball/jay-wright-building-young-talent-era-over.html
He said that on 3/22/24 when Kentucky lost to Oakland.
Not saying he's wrong, maybe he's just a prophet.
Duke is winning with young players though
Quote from: DoctorV on March 29, 2025, 10:41:04 AMHe said that on 3/22/24 when Kentucky lost to Oakland.
Not saying he's wrong, maybe he's just a prophet.
Duke is winning with young players though
Haha so guy shares an article he didn't actually read because it's not anything remotely close to how Shaka is running his program. And then it turns out it's a year old?
😂😂😂😂
Quote from: DoctorV on March 29, 2025, 10:35:49 AMMany will assume that this came about because of the Pitino benching in that last game, but methinks there was something brewing sooner.
There were several times during the season where Rick openly praised Ejiofor, Richmond and others but it seemed odd to me like he didn't throw around a lot of praise for RJ.
Then Luis got BEPoY and helped bring StJ to its best season in ages, including double titles.
Now, I'd expect he heads somewhere else for more money. My guess is that Rick took offense to him even entertaining the idea, but these are indeed wild times.
It's the Wild Wild West out there
https://x.com/DalyDoseOfHoops/status/1906009472402628714?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1906009472402628714%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 10:39:00 AMThat's not what he's saying at all. Also, good pull on an article from last March that was about one-and-dones
Admittedly piling on, but bradforster's take is unintentionally comical. Shaka's system is designed to build a team via development and form a cohesive and experienced team. Nothing that Jay says dovetails with brad's take. And it would be nice to use current info rather than 2024.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 10:58:05 AMAdmittedly piling on, but bradforster's take is unintentionally comical. Shaka's system is designed to build a team via development and form a cohesive and experienced team. Nothing that Jay says dovetails with brad's take. And it would be nice to use current info rather than 2024.
That, too.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 29, 2025, 10:52:28 AMhttps://x.com/DalyDoseOfHoops/status/1906009472402628714?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1906009472402628714%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
A "mutual" decision means Rick told him to get lost.
Quote from: Jockey on March 29, 2025, 11:12:33 AMA "mutual" decision means Rick told him to get lost.
I don't think being benched the last 5 minutes of an NCAAT game did anything to help his desire to return either.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 29, 2025, 10:58:05 AMAdmittedly piling on, but bradforster's take is unintentionally comical. Shaka's system is designed to build a team via development and form a cohesive and experienced team. Nothing that Jay says dovetails with brad's take. And it would be nice to use current info rather than 2024.
I was clearly posting that to stir the pot. I like Shaka's approach.
Quote from: bradforster on March 29, 2025, 11:20:26 AMI was clearly posting that to stir the pot. I like Shaka's approach.
Clear only to you, apparently.
Quote from: bradforster on March 29, 2025, 11:20:26 AMI was clearly posting that to stir the pot. I like Shaka's approach.
Next time you want to stir the pot......count to 3 and then delete the post........
Your welcome
read article on NIL payments. Stated that Kam Jones was getting 1.9 million. Can't swear to veracity Just throwing it out there
Quote from: drbob on March 29, 2025, 11:28:46 AMread article on NIL payments. Stated that Kam Jones was getting 1.9 million. Can't swear to veracity Just throwing it out there
It's actually $1.8
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 11:34:07 AMIt's actually $1.8
And now that all goes back into MU's NIL pot available to bring in big transfers.
Quote from: drbob on March 29, 2025, 11:28:46 AMread article on NIL payments. Stated that Kam Jones was getting 1.9 million. Can't swear to veracity Just throwing it out there
Click bait.......so much crap is thrown out in articles like this......I don't believe any of them.......without transparency ....agents and other whisperers can say anything they want or simply make stuff up.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 11:44:00 AMAnd now that all goes back into MU's NIL pot available to bring in big transfers.
That money actually comes from Jim Chones
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 11:44:00 AMAnd now that all goes back into MU's NIL pot available to bring in big transfers.
It comes off the books. Doesn't go back into the pot (it was already paid out).
We could have more MIL money or less NIL money next year. There is no guarantee the pot will be = every year.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 28, 2025, 06:17:51 PMYou said lack of money is the reason Shaka isn't using the portal. That is false.
There is plenty of money. Just not St. John's level money.
So if we have the money why not acquire a player who can help? I think it is the University that does not want to get into a bidding war for players and you admitted as much when you stated that even if we had a "guy" like St.John's, Marquette would rather that money be spent elsewhere other than the Basketball program. I believe Shaka is just reflecting University policy.
Quote from: MuMark on March 29, 2025, 11:53:03 AMClick bait.......so much crap is thrown out in articles like this......I don't believe any of them.......without transparency ....agents and other whisperers can say anything they want or simply make stuff up.
any article using "NIL Valuation" is BS too and has nothing to do with actual NIL payments, just, like you said, click bait.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 29, 2025, 12:09:03 PMSo if we have the money why not acquire a player who can help? I think it is the University that does not want to get into a bidding war for players and you admitted as much when you stated that even if we had a "guy" like St.John's, Marquette would rather that money be spent elsewhere other than the Basketball program. I believe Shaka is just reflecting University policy.
Well you are wrong. Shaka has stated his values regarding the portal many times. He isn't lying because the university won't let him take transfers.
Quote from: Jockey on March 29, 2025, 11:54:45 AMIt comes off the books. Doesn't go back into the pot (it was already paid out).
We could have more MIL money or less NIL money next year. There is no guarantee the pot will be = every year.
You wouldn't think this has to be explained, but it does.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 29, 2025, 12:15:34 PMYou wouldn't think this has to be explained, but it does.
You would think sarcasm would get picked up, but it does not.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 12:19:23 PMYou would think sarcasm would get picked up, but it does not.
Clear to only you apparently.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 29, 2025, 11:34:07 AMIt's actually $1.8
One dollar and eighty cents? We really are piss broke!
Quote from: bradforster on March 29, 2025, 10:38:00 AMJay Wright says Shaka's system doesn't work for those with championship dreams. He's actually calling out the one and done culture, but it might just work for Duke this year.
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-basketball/jay-wright-building-young-talent-era-over.html
grumpily.
He said it a year ago. And the goal, even for Shaka, is to get old and stay old. Finally, no more COVID year.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 29, 2025, 12:23:15 PMClear to only you apparently.
And modestly intelligent people.
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 12:28:34 PMQuote from: bradforster on March 29, 2025, 10:38:00 AMJay Wright says Shaka's system doesn't work for those with championship dreams. He's actually calling out the one and done culture, but it might just work for Duke this year.
https://awfulannouncing.com/college-basketball/jay-wright-building-young-talent-era-over.html
grumpily.
He said it a year ago. And the goal, even for Shaka, is to get old and stay old. Finally, no more COVID year.
Not a lot of AD's and Carmelo's out there.
As great as Flagg is, I think Duke istoo inexperienced and not athletic enough to beat Floridas and Alabamas out there.
Quote from: Jockey on March 29, 2025, 12:59:10 PMNot a lot of AD's and Carmelo's out there.
As great as Flagg is, I think Duke istoo inexperienced and not athletic enough to beat Floridas and Alabamas out there.
I'm fully prepared for Alabama to shoot something like 3 for 40 from beyond the arc today
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 29, 2025, 12:09:03 PMSo if we have the money why not acquire a player who can help? I think it is the University that does not want to get into a bidding war for players and you admitted as much when you stated that even if we had a "guy" like St.John's, Marquette would rather that money be spent elsewhere other than the Basketball program. I believe Shaka is just reflecting University policy.
An opinion is not fact, and you didn't provide even the slightest shred of evidence to support your opinion. But yes, you are allowed to believe whatever you want.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 29, 2025, 01:10:34 PMI'm fully prepared for Alabama to shoot something like 3 for 40 from beyond the arc today
The hardest area to be consistent from game to game.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 29, 2025, 12:09:03 PMSo if we have the money why not acquire a player who can help? I think it is the University that does not want to get into a bidding war for players and you admitted as much when you stated that even if we had a "guy" like St.John's, Marquette would rather that money be spent elsewhere other than the Basketball program. I believe Shaka is just reflecting University policy.
I think your confusing donor relations with University policy. If MU has a small number of donors with the ability and willingness to fund a NIL bag drop, Shaka had better be damn sure he's only going to them with his hand out for true difference makers. The worst thing he could do is use those donors to fund a guy or two that doesn't directly lead to major success, or pretty quick we would no longer "have the money." Just a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if MU's core donors feel pretty iffy on basically funding a one year bag drop contract for a player as it is, so Shaka would have to tread pretty carefully in the portal.
Shaka isn't paying anyone to transfer here more than those who are here are already paid. He isn't asking a donor for "a bag" regardless. He has stated all of this. Multiple times.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 29, 2025, 03:52:44 PMShaka isn't paying anyone to transfer here more than those who are here are already paid. He isn't asking a donor for "a bag" regardless. He has stated all of this. Multiple times.
Agree
https://x.com/AdamBorstPGH/status/1905735314427302042
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 29, 2025, 06:30:54 PMGet used to losing!
He says, for the 5th year in a row.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 07:51:22 PMHe says, for the 5th year in a row.
He says it every year. it is dumb to say it every year.
That said, our guards arn't the best next year, and he might be right for the first time.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 29, 2025, 06:37:08 PMhttps://x.com/AdamBorstPGH/status/1905735314427302042
Brutal being a mid or low major these days.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 29, 2025, 06:30:54 PMGet used to losing!
This guy...hoping to be a broken clock?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 29, 2025, 07:58:46 PMBrutal being a mid or low major these days.
Feels like fewer upsets in the NCAA as a result...
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 29, 2025, 07:58:46 PMBrutal being a mid or low major these days.
The last time I felt we lacked the talent to compete (like I do going into next year) we won the BE and BET. So until Shaka has a dud of a season, I'll just trust Shaka's teams will be competitive.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 08:19:47 PMThe last time I felt we lacked the talent to compete (like I do going into next year) we won the BE and BET. So until Shaka has a dud of a season, I'll just trust Shaka's teams will be competitive.
Nope. Trust BCHoopster.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 03:25:19 PMI think your confusing donor relations with University policy. If MU has a small number of donors with the ability and willingness to fund a NIL bag drop, Shaka had better be damn sure he's only going to them with his hand out for true difference makers. The worst thing he could do is use those donors to fund a guy or two that doesn't directly lead to major success, or pretty quick we would no longer "have the money." Just a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if MU's core donors feel pretty iffy on basically funding a one year bag drop contract for a player as it is, so Shaka would have to tread pretty carefully in the portal.
Yikes
Quote from: The Sultan on March 29, 2025, 03:52:44 PMShaka isn't paying anyone to transfer here more than those who are here are already paid. He isn't asking a donor for "a bag" regardless. He has stated all of this. Multiple times.
Obviously just my opinion, but I don't believe the first sentence will prove to be 100% true. If it were, I can't see how Marquette would ever get transfers other than developmental players or 8th-9th man types. I think that Shaka will still ultimately be more active than that in the portal.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 08:53:25 PMObviously just my opinion, but I don't believe the first sentence will prove to be 100% true. If it were, I can't see how Marquette would ever get transfers other than developmental players or 8th-9th man types. I think that Shaka will still ultimately be more active than that in the portal.
When?
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 08:54:26 PMWhen?
No idea, and it wouldn't be an every year thing. I think Shaka is as dedicated to building through high school recruiting and developing the roster as he says. So for example, I don't think Shaka would take a home run swing to bring in a stud in an otherwise rebuilding year - e.g. I don't think Marquette woudl be a player at the top of the portal this year. But to bring in a 4th or 5th starter to fill a need or big bench piece to round out a highly-ranked team? I could definitely see it.
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 08:54:26 PMWhen?
When (if?) someone with a key role for the next year transfers (to get their own bag). For example, if Kam had taken the purported bag from Memphis last year, Shaka might have understandably looked for a big ticket transfer. If Gold or Chase were to shockingly move on, Shaka might need to find (and pay for) a transfer beyond the 8th-9th man types. I'm ok if it never happens, though I anticipate it probably will, which will also be fine. It's Shaka's program, and he knows better than I.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 08:53:25 PMObviously just my opinion, but I don't believe the first sentence will prove to be 100% true. If it were, I can't see how Marquette would ever get transfers other than developmental players or 8th-9th man types. I think that Shaka will still ultimately be more active than that in the portal.
If he does it would go against pretty much everything he has said and done since he has been here.
Quote from: mug644 on March 29, 2025, 09:05:31 PMWhen (if?) someone with a key role for the next year transfers (to get their own bag). For example, if Kam had taken the purported bag from Memphis last year, Shaka might have understandably looked for a big ticket transfer. If Gold or Chase were to shockingly move on, Shaka might need to find (and pay for) a transfer beyond the 8th-9th man types. I'm ok if it never happens, though I anticipate it probably will, which will also be fine. It's Shaka's program, and he knows better than I.
IMO, Parham is the one player who, in the unlikely event he were to transfer this offseason, could force Shaka's hand.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 08:19:47 PMThe last time I felt we lacked the talent to compete (like I do going into next year) we won the BE and BET. So until Shaka has a dud of a season, I'll just trust Shaka's teams will be competitive.
Ok, great Wades. My comment had nothing at all to do with MU though.
IU has no returning players from their 24-25 roster. Every single player either exhausted their eligibility or entered the portal. Seriously jealous. Think of the opportunities.
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 09:08:56 PMIMO, Parham is the one player who, in the unlikely event he were to transfer this offseason, could force Shaka's hand.
I think if Parham were to leave, Shaka would look for a 2-3 year transfer to fill the gap. I'm not convinced that Parham's role for next year is so crucial.
If Gold or Ross were to leave, though, that absence would be felt immediately and dramatically next year, in my mind. Such a departure would force Shaka's hand, methinks.
All that said, I don't see any of those three we're mentioning leaving, so it's a moot point. Until a "can't replace through the pipeline" player does leave. Then we'll see what Shaka does.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 09:02:45 PMNo idea, and it wouldn't be an every year thing. I think Shaka is as dedicated to building through high school recruiting and developing the roster as he says. So for example, I don't think Shaka would take a home run swing to bring in a stud in an otherwise rebuilding year - e.g. I don't think Marquette woudl be a player at the top of the portal this year. But to bring in a 4th or 5th starter to fill a need or big bench piece to round out a highly-ranked team? I could definitely see it.
Except he's had that opportunity and hasn't done it.
Quote from: mug644 on March 29, 2025, 09:17:09 PMI think if Parham were to leave, Shaka would look for a 2-3 year transfer to fill the gap. I'm not convinced that Parham's role for next year is so crucial.
If Gold or Ross were to leave, though, that absence would be felt immediately and dramatically next year, in my mind. Such a departure would force Shaka's hand, methinks.
All that said, I don't see any of those three we're mentioning leaving, so it's a moot point. Until a "can't replace through the pipeline" player does leave. Then we'll see what Shaka does.
Parham's role next next is absolutely crucial. It wouldn't shock me if he led the team in scoring.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2025, 09:27:58 PMParham's role next next is absolutely crucial. It wouldn't shock me if he led the team in scoring.
I guess I can see Parham's role as crucial, as he replaces Joplin, while Chase and Gold are returning. So, we need him to step up to have even a year as good (adequate?) as this year. Coming off of this year, I don't see Parham as leading the team in scoring. Would love to be happily surprised.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2025, 09:25:53 PMExcept he's had that opportunity and hasn't done it.
Agree. But like I would say to the posters complaining about how Shaka is "against" the portal, I don't think that necessarily means he would do the same thing in the same situation again. It would just be dependent on fit - on-court, locker room/culture, economics. I think we're tending to make too much of too little a sample size of how Shaka's treated the portal to date.
Quote from: mug644 on March 29, 2025, 09:40:46 PMI guess I can see Parham's role as crucial, as he replaces Joplin, while Chase and Gold are returning. So, we need him to step up to have even a year as good (adequate?) as this year. Coming off of this year, I don't see Parham as leading the team in scoring. Would love to be happily surprised.
I wouldn't bet on it but with a year of development, big minutes and a green light on a team that will need scoring, it seems more than possible.
Maybe Chase is the safe choice as the leading returning scorer but I'm expecting a big year from Royce.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 09:44:43 PMAgree. But like I would say to the posters complaining about how Shaka is "against" the portal, I don't think that necessarily means he would do the same thing in the same situation again. It would just be dependent on fit - on-court, locker room/culture, economics. I think we're tending to make too much of too little a sample size of how Shaka's treated the portal to date.
That's fair.
But I tend to agree with those that say unless there's an unexpected departure or a glaringly obvious hole with no internal options we're going to see more of the same.
I believe Shaka means what he says.
There's 1400 kids in the portal, I have to believe MU should be able get one banger, someone to put a body on a player like Egibor, just a solid backup, does even have to be a starter.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 09:44:43 PMAgree. But like I would say to the posters complaining about how Shaka is "against" the portal, I don't think that necessarily means he would do the same thing in the same situation again. It would just be dependent on fit - on-court, locker room/culture, economics. I think we're tending to make too much of too little a sample size of how Shaka's treated the portal to date.
The key thing you say that I agree with is that Shaka may not do the same thing again. I do believe that he learns, is flexible and can adapt. If the situation calls for change, I think he'd do so.
That said, he's stated his principles related to development and the portal pretty clearly, definitively and repeatedly. He's committed to the players (and families) he recruits out of high school. He wants to see individual and team development. He won't deal with agents. He won't drop a bag for a one year star.
If he learns, shows flexibility and adapts, it might well appear to run counter to his principles. I imagine that he'll be willing to do it someday, but it will be notable.
Let's be honest. If you think the portal is MU's path to a title, how likely do you think it is that MU could ever assemble the talent Duke has? I think it's very unlikely no matter what path MU takes. It's the world of college athletics. Starting to look like MLB.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 29, 2025, 09:53:53 PMThere's 1400 kids in the portal, I have to believe MU should be able get one banger, someone to put a body on a player like Egibor, just a solid backup, does even have to be a starter.
If Shaka ruins his pristine, no portaling look/schtick I hope it's not to just someone to put a body on edgy bore.
If he dabbles, I am pretty certain he will bring in a difference maker.
Quote from: tower912 on March 29, 2025, 09:53:21 PMI believe Shaka means what he says.
I agree. And I believe that Shaka is willing to change his mind.
Nm
Quote from: DoctorV on March 29, 2025, 10:09:33 PMIf Shaka ruins his pristine, no portaling look/schtick I hope it's not to just someone to put a body on edgy bore.
If he dabbles, I am pretty certain he will bring in a difference maker.
Getting someone who fits in wouldn't ruin anything.
Quote from: mug644 on March 29, 2025, 10:12:38 PMI agree. And I believe that Shaka is willing to change his mind.
I think he is committed to his believes, so I see him holding firm. If he has a bad year next year, then maybe he will have a different opinion of what he is doing.
1. Then/than
2. There/their/they're
3. Beliefs/Believes
You really seem to struggle with these.
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 29, 2025, 10:31:16 PM1. Then/than
2. There/their/they're
3. Beliefs/Believes
You really seem to struggle with these.
For sure, was not very good in English, oh well. That's why I had a good secretary all the time!
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2025, 10:17:45 PMGetting someone who fits in wouldn't ruin anything.
A difference maker would fit in just fine.
Shaka's system has defined roles.
This incoming season all 5 starter spots were essentially spoken for.
A difference maker like Kon would have jolted that system a bit because it would have supplanted one of the nearly certain starters that had earned their stripes.
Next season, there are only 2 starter spots that are essentially spoken for in his defined role system
Chase Ross and Ben Gold.
Even Ben's isn't that solidified because he can play the 4 or 5. Even though he's nearly certain to start, there is flexibility there.
We've discussed that Royce will likely step in as a starter, and mentioned SJ22, Zaide, and others, but there are only really 2 surefire starters in Shaka's defined role system, or "return" starters if you will that have earned their stripes.
Joplin and Chase were surefire "next man up" much more than someone like Zaide, Royce, or SJ22 for a variety of reasons (injury, inexperience, etc)
So, in that nature, if Shaka dabbled Im fairly certain he will bring in a difference maker, and that difference maker will fit in just fine.
He would step into a starting role (likely 2 years worth or more as I think it's more rare that he brings in a guy with only one year left) and would fit in just fine in that role.
Whoever were to be disrupted or "lapped" if you will, would not have had a guaranteed starter or major/elite contributor role as a given as is.
I'll use an outlandish, not gonna happen example to prove my point.
1) DJ Thomas from UNLV commits to Shaka.
Immediate starter and contributor at PG for 2 seasons. Sean, Tre backups or transfer. Nigel backup starting pg in waiting, and can also share the same backcourt and move DJ to the 2 spot this upcoming season or next.
2) Silas Demery Jr from Georgia commits to Shaka. 2 years left, immediate impact guard at the 1/2/3. Zaide starts the season off the bench but Shaka finds a way to get Chase, Zaide, and Silas all plenty of minutes at the 1-4 spots and Zaide, with continued development and hopeful future stardom, steps into Chase roll alongside Silas at the 2/3 the following year.
I get it that we should take Shaka's word and no Marquette fan should get excited about the portal. I also get that Shaka does his recruiting in the shadows, there is very little leaked and oftentimes the first time you hear about a new Marquette played is when he commits to Shaka out of nowhere.
My only point is that if he dabbles in the portal, I highly suspect that it'll be for a difference maker.
Especially this offseason with so many "undefined" roles and so many spots up for grabs.
Quote from: DoctorV on March 29, 2025, 10:09:33 PMIf Shaka ruins his pristine, no portaling look/schtick I hope it's not to just someone to put a body on edgy bore.
If he dabbles, I am pretty certain he will bring in a difference maker.
It's not a "schtick".
Quote from: We R Final Four on March 29, 2025, 10:31:16 PM1. Then/than
2. There/their/they're
3. Beliefs/Believes
You really seem to struggle with these.
that is funny.
#Purdue Junior F Brian Waddell has entered the transfer portal.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 30, 2025, 06:07:18 AM#Purdue Junior F Brian Waddell has entered the transfer portal.
We'll get him when we bring home Brian Wardle.
Can you imagine the reaction if MU's only foray into the portal was to bring in Waddell? Almost worth it from a pure entertainment perspective.
Quote from: tower912 on March 30, 2025, 09:09:14 AMCan you imagine the reaction if MU's only foray into the portal was to bring in Waddell? Almost worth it from a pure entertainment perspective.
Fingers crossed
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 29, 2025, 10:01:38 PMLet's be honest. If you think the portal is MU's path to a title, how likely do you think it is that MU could ever assemble the talent Duke has? I think it's very unlikely no matter what path MU takes. It's the world of college athletics. Starting to look like MLB.
Well, the Yankees have not won a World Series in 16 years, and they spent a ton. The Dodgers also big spenders have won recently but that is no guarantee. Will see if the Mets ROI with Soto will pay off.
So, at least Marquette is the Brewers of college basketball and not the White Sox.
If MU would go into the portal, I wouldn't mind seeing them go for this size/weight prospect: https://sports.yahoo.com/article/iowa-basketball-forward-ladji-dembele-182527734.html
I've no idea if this particular player is any good.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 30, 2025, 11:39:10 AMSo, at least Marquette is the Brewers of college basketball and not the White Sox.
Apparently, you have not taken Tower's frequent call for patience seriously. We'll get there.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2025, 11:05:45 PMIt's not a "schtick".
It's kind of becoming a schtick, though. Or a brand, or a thing, or whatever you want to call it. Buzz's schtick was being a phony down-home lonesome cowboy who swept the floor and only recruited kids who ate off the dollar menu. Al's was cracked sidewalks. Danny Hurley's is to swear a lot and throw tantrums when absolutely anything doesn't go his way. Lots of college basketball coaches have schticks.
For the past couple seasons, Shaka has decided to run his program like it's 2005, and it's starting to become his thing. Towards the end of the season, it seemed like every broadcast pointed out that MU had no transfers. It's known that Shaka will not be "dropping bags" even though that's where the sport is headed. He has made this his brand, for better or worse.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 30, 2025, 11:53:13 AMIt's kind of becoming a schtick, though. Or a brand, or a thing, or whatever you want to call it. Buzz's schtick was being a phony down-home lonesome cowboy who swept the floor and only recruited kids who ate off the dollar menu. Al's was cracked sidewalks. Danny Hurley's is to swear a lot and throw tantrums when absolutely anything doesn't go his way. Lots of college basketball coaches have schticks.
For the past couple seasons, Shaka has decided to run his program like it's 2005, and it's starting to become his thing. Towards the end of the season, it seemed like every broadcast pointed out that MU had no transfers. It's known that Shaka will not be "dropping bags" even though that's where the sport is headed. He has made this his brand, for better or worse.
Probably need to look up "schtick" before you use that word.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 30, 2025, 11:55:04 AMProbably need to look up "schtick" before you use that word.
Whenever you're triggered by a post, you'll write a one-sentence passive-aggressive statement to try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room. One might even say it's your schtick!
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 30, 2025, 12:05:31 PMWhenever you're triggered by a post, you'll write a one-sentence passive-aggressive statement to try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room. One might even say it's your schtick!
Thanks!
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 30, 2025, 12:05:31 PMWhenever you're triggered by a post, you'll write a one-sentence passive-aggressive statement to try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room. One might even say it's your schtick!
He's not wrong - seems like you don't know what "schtick" means.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 30, 2025, 11:39:10 AMWell, the Yankees have not won a World Series in 16 years, and they spent a ton. The Dodgers also big spenders have won recently but that is no guarantee. Will see if the Mets ROI with Soto will pay off.
So, at least Marquette is the Brewers of college basketball and not the White Sox.
Unlike the Brewers, Marquette and the White Sox know what it's like to win a title.
"Schtick" is a Yiddish word meaning gimmick or stunt or comic routine.
So it's pretty obvious that recruit/develop/retain is not a "schtick" for Shaka.
Biggie also used the word "brand," and that's definitely closer IMHO. I'd use the word "philosophy," but I'm sure other words could work, too.
Speak softly and carry a big schtick
Rico loves to schtick it to the man.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 30, 2025, 11:42:12 AMApparently, you have not taken Tower's frequent call for patience seriously. We'll get there.
48 years since our last National Championship. Any comment as to where we are going and when we will get there?
Quote from: Class71 on March 30, 2025, 05:20:09 PM48 years since our last National Championship. Any comment as to where we are going and when we will get there?
2069
Quote from: Class71 on March 30, 2025, 05:20:09 PM48 years since our last National Championship. Any comment as to where we are going and when we will get there?
To heaven, if you have lived a virtuous life.
Quote from: Class71 on March 30, 2025, 05:20:09 PM48 years since our last National Championship. Any comment as to where we are going and when we will get there?
Mequon, 2035
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on March 30, 2025, 12:05:31 PMWhenever you're triggered by a post, you'll write a one-sentence passive-aggressive statement to try and prove you're the smartest guy in the room. One might even say it's your schtick!
mic drop winner!
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2025, 01:07:16 PMUnlike the Brewers, Marquette and the White Sox know what it's like to win a title.
Touche!
Quote from: Class71 on March 30, 2025, 05:20:09 PM48 years since our last National Championship. Any comment as to where we are going and when we will get there?
Crown Basketball tournament next year, if the tournament survives another year.
https://blog.evanmiya.com/p/how-to-build-a-roster-in-the-modern
An interesting study regarding roster building and the portal
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 30, 2025, 08:10:41 PMhttps://blog.evanmiya.com/p/how-to-build-a-roster-in-the-modern
An interesting study regarding roster building and the portal
Bold - the first point " 1. Fill your roster with good basketball players".
St. Johns is going to replace Luis with Bryce Hopkins.
That front court of Ejiofor and Hopkins is going to have 25 rebounds a game.
https://www.instagram.com/p/DH3VvLWxOzi/?igsh=MW5hY3N3cjJvMWo3dA==
So Sean Jones just posted this. Did someone say he's going to enter the portal? Doesn't look like it.
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 31, 2025, 08:47:15 AMhttps://www.instagram.com/p/DH3VvLWxOzi/?igsh=MW5hY3N3cjJvMWo3dA==
So Sean Jones just posted this. Did someone say he's going to enter the portal? Doesn't look like it.
Yep, Panda 2.0. Sure doesn't seem like the kind of post that someone entering the portal would put up.
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on March 31, 2025, 08:47:15 AMhttps://www.instagram.com/p/DH3VvLWxOzi/?igsh=MW5hY3N3cjJvMWo3dA==
So Sean Jones just posted this. Did someone say he's going to enter the portal? Doesn't look like it.
Clearly transferring to Maryland and referencing the return game to Fiserv.
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 31, 2025, 09:01:22 AMClearly transferring to Maryland and referencing the return game to Fiserv.
Or Dayton
Quote from: cheebs09 on March 31, 2025, 09:01:22 AMClearly transferring to Maryland and referencing the return game to Fiserv.
I'm pretty sure thats a reference to an upcoming summer internship at Fiserv Inc. So we better stay tuned...
It's a smoke screen so schools will offer more to try to pry him away
He gowne
I just heard Frietag has entered the portal. So much for "best point guard in a weasel uniform since Devin Harris" which was told to me by a number of people.
Why were you hanging out with people who would say that?
Quote from: tower912 on March 31, 2025, 12:17:19 PMWhy were you hanging out with people who would say that?
Viper was looking for something to do since his BIL was busy
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2025, 12:15:21 PMI just heard Frietag has entered the portal. So much for "best point guard in a weasel uniform since Devin Harris" which was told to me by a number of people.
The hype on him from the people that cover the team and recruiting was unfair
I don't believe we have been connected to anyone in the portal since it opened last week.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on March 31, 2025, 12:52:56 PMI don't believe we have been connected to anyone in the portal since it opened last week.
With the way Shaka recruits, I'm expecting any transfer may be a bit out of the blue.
Caedin was an August commit. Clark was late May - if we get someone, it will most likely be post xfer portal window.
Arkansas' Zvonimir Ivisic enters the portal. 7'2" big man.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1906781296413610269 (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1906781296413610269)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 31, 2025, 06:35:39 AMSt. Johns is going to replace Luis with Bryce Hopkins.
That front court of Ejiofor and Hopkins is going to have 25 rebounds a game.
It's now official
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1906810397601972480
Quote from: Norm on March 31, 2025, 03:05:46 PMArkansas' Zvonimir Ivisic enters the portal. 7'2" big man.
https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1906781296413610269 (https://twitter.com/DraftExpress/status/1906781296413610269)
Following the AJ Storr plan
Quote from: MUbiz on March 31, 2025, 01:10:52 PMCaedin was an August commit. Clark was late May - if we get someone, it will most likely be post xfer portal winsharpshooter.
Both huge projects.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 31, 2025, 12:21:33 PMThe hype on him from the people that cover the team and recruiting was unfair
https://badgerofhonor.com/daniel-freitag-s-transfer-signals-the-end-of-high-school-recruiting-for-wisconsin
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2025, 06:00:27 PMhttps://badgerofhonor.com/daniel-freitag-s-transfer-signals-the-end-of-high-school-recruiting-for-wisconsin
Weird headline. The article then says nothing of the kind.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2025, 06:00:27 PMhttps://badgerofhonor.com/daniel-freitag-s-transfer-signals-the-end-of-high-school-recruiting-for-wisconsin
I don't understand why Badger fans act like there is something magical about being an in-state recruit. Freitag was from Minnesota. They act like it's on the other side of the world or something.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2025, 06:10:49 PMI don't understand why Badger fans act like there is something magical about being an in-state recruit. Freitag was from Minnesota. They act like it's on the other side of the world or something.
Shopko Badger fans do believe that
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 31, 2025, 03:54:47 PMIt's now official
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1906810397601972480
If he's healthy will we get 10 rebounds against them?
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2025, 06:45:58 PMIf he's healthy will we get 10 rebounds against them?
::)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 31, 2025, 06:43:10 PMShopko Badger fans do believe that
walmart, ok? Walmart
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2025, 06:45:58 PMIf he's healthy will we get 10 rebounds against them?
What? Pitino continuing to evolve? He is in his 70's. Shaka is in his 40's. He should be the one to evolve, not some 70 year old geezer.
Two words: Flory Bidunga. Get him in an MU uni. Pronto.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 31, 2025, 07:23:27 PMWhat? Pitino continuing to evolve? He is in his 70's. Shaka is in his 40's. He should be the one to evolve, not some 70 year old geezer.
A 70-year old geezer with a billionaire supporter with nothing better to do with his money.
You can always give Shaka a blank check to be used in the portal.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2025, 07:56:01 PMTwo words: Flory Bidunga. Get him in an MU uni. Pronto.
Or
what?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2025, 08:05:42 PMA 70-year old geezer with a billionaire supporter with nothing better to do with his money.
You can always give Shaka a blank check to be used in the portal.
Although would Shaka cash that check? Here ya go Coach. Shop with this. Enough here for a Big, a 3pt ripper and a PG over 6'0" tall.
Quote from: Viper on March 31, 2025, 10:48:39 PMAlthough would Shaka cash that check? Here ya go Coach. Shop with this. Enough here for a Big, a 3pt ripper and a PG over 6'0" tall.
Should I be surprised?
Cluff is a huge get for Purdue. No pun intended.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 31, 2025, 10:10:13 PMOr what?
Vitally important year for MU hoops. I have some concerns with our overall talent level and rim protection.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2025, 08:05:42 PMA 70-year old geezer with a billionaire supporter with nothing better to do with his money.
You can always give Shaka a blank check to be used in the portal.
But he wouldn't use it. People have already established that.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 31, 2025, 11:09:14 PMVitally important year for MU hoops. I have some concerns with our overall talent level and rim protection.
You should have concerns. Here cone the remember the past with insults in 3..2..1
Quote from: willie warrior on April 01, 2025, 06:18:50 AMYou should have concerns. Here cone the remember the past with insults in 3..2..1
🤔
Quote from: willie warrior on April 01, 2025, 06:16:57 AMBut he wouldn't use it. People have already established that.
Then you don't have anything to worry about when you give him that blank check.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2025, 11:00:38 PMShould I be surprised?
...should you be surprised? To that I'd say, no.
i see Purdue decided to get a big from the portal. Maybe Shaka will follow in Painter's footsteps
Quote from: drbob on April 01, 2025, 09:57:51 AMi see Purdue decided to get a big from the portal. Maybe Shaka will follow in Painter's footsteps
Purdue also lost a big to the portal, maybe Painter should have followed in Shaka's footsteps.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 01, 2025, 09:59:40 AMPurdue also lost a big to the portal, maybe Painter should have followed in Shaka's footsteps.
That is a massive upgrade Purdue got - lost a big, got a much better big.
Quote from: drbob on April 01, 2025, 09:57:51 AMi see Purdue decided to get a big from the portal. Maybe Shaka will follow in Painter's footsteps
Thanks
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 29, 2025, 03:25:19 PMI think your confusing donor relations with University policy. If MU has a small number of donors with the ability and willingness to fund a NIL bag drop, Shaka had better be damn sure he's only going to them with his hand out for true difference makers. The worst thing he could do is use those donors to fund a guy or two that doesn't directly lead to major success, or pretty quick we would no longer "have the money." Just a guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if MU's core donors feel pretty iffy on basically funding a one year bag drop contract for a player as it is, so Shaka would have to tread pretty carefully in the portal.
So, you are basically saying we can't compete with the "bag drop" schools. Yes, we are paying guys to stay, but those guys want to win, and if the best we can do is a sweet 16 run, some guys just may want to play on a team that can win a championship and go elsewhere. Will see how this all plays out in the coming seasons.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2025, 06:10:49 PMI don't understand why Badger fans act like there is something magical about being an in-state recruit. Freitag was from Minnesota. They act like it's on the other side of the world or something.
A lot of them haven't left the state. Not even joking.
Michigan State is losing Tre Holloman (a significant contributor) and Gehrig Normann (a potential future contributor). They may not be the last leaving East Lansing:
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1907091480960803218
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 10:11:51 AMThat is a massive upgrade Purdue got - lost a big, got a much better big.
Using the portal to improve your roster. Imagine that.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 11:59:28 AMUsing the portal to improve your roster. Imagine that.
Shaka's incompetent.
So far Shaka has kept around all of his contributors. Guys like Izzo and Painter who don't take many transfers but you're lauding for getting a few here and there have lost guys like Mason Gillis and Tre Holloman now.
So, the portal giveth and the portal taketh. You can succeed in college basketball doing it multiple ways.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 01, 2025, 11:56:24 AMMichigan State is losing Tre Holloman (a significant contributor) and Gehrig Normann (a potential future contributor). They may not be the last leaving East Lansing:
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1907091480960803218
I thought I read that this is the most together team Izzo ever coached.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 01, 2025, 12:28:36 PMI thought I read that this is the most together team Izzo ever coached.
Money talks, especially to a guy like Holloman who has no NBA future.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on April 01, 2025, 12:28:36 PMI thought I read that this is the most together team Izzo ever coached.
Were letters written?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2025, 12:12:23 PMShaka's incompetent.
So far Shaka has kept around all of his contributors. Guys like Izzo and Painter who don't take many transfers but you're lauding for getting a few here and there have lost guys like Mason Gillis and Tre Holloman now.
So, the portal giveth and the portal taketh. You can succeed in college basketball doing it multiple ways.
It's wild that suggesting improving the roster is a good thing leads to hostility.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:10:38 PMIt's wild that suggesting improving the roster is a good thing leads to hostility.
Your post was total snark.
The implication is that Shaka is not looking to improve his roster. History suggests that this is false.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 01:12:23 PMYour post was total snark.
But not wrong.
Shouldn't wanting an improved roster be something everyone can agree on?
Meechie Johnson started his career at Ohio State and then transferred to South Carolina.
He then transferred from South Carolina back to Ohio State.
He now has transferred from Ohio State back to South Carolina.
https://x.com/CBB_Central/status/1907126063685099785?t=nLeacYZxmWDzWmNBkjl95w&s=19
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1907127113284510162?t=ElFKxvixg6-1sp5zGvLwbA&s=19
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 01, 2025, 01:12:45 PMThe implication is that Shaka is not looking to improve his roster. History suggests that this is false.
Does it?
Last year he had a scholarship available to improve the roster. He chose not to.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:16:41 PMDoes it?
Last year he had a scholarship available to improve the roster. He chose not to.
It does. Shaka has pursued targets via the transfer portal every year he has been here. Shaka also has kept all recruiting close to the vest. If we land a transfer, I expect that we won't hear about it until it is done.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:14:50 PMBut not wrong.
Shouldn't wanting an improved roster be something everyone can agree on?
Sure, but you infer that the portal is the best way to do that and it's a completely short-term approach. You also don't account for the possibility that it might not work (see IU & Kansas).
Shaka has earned the benefit of the doubt, IMO. I find it odd that a lot of people don't want to give that to him.
And I say that knowing this upcoming season very well could result to being on the bubble.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 01, 2025, 01:15:56 PMMeechie Johnson started his career at Ohio State and then transferred to South Carolina.
He then transferred from South Carolina back to Ohio State.
He now has transferred from Ohio State back to South Carolina.
https://x.com/CBB_Central/status/1907126063685099785?t=nLeacYZxmWDzWmNBkjl95w&s=19
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1907127113284510162?t=ElFKxvixg6-1sp5zGvLwbA&s=19
Even he has to think this is weird... unless there's something like splitting time between two siblings or each of the parents' Alma maters I cannot imagine doing this and being taken serious... actually thought harder and even then can't imagine it.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2025, 01:20:34 PMEven he has to think this is weird... unless there's something like splitting time between two siblings or each of the parents' Alma maters I cannot imagine doing this and being taken serious... actually thought harder and even then can't imagine it.
It is outrageous from both sides really. Hilarious from an outsiders perspective though!
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 01, 2025, 01:18:26 PMIt does. Shaka has pursued targets via the transfer portal every year he has been here. Shaka also has kept all recruiting close to the vest. If we land a transfer, I expect that we won't hear about it until it is done.
Who did he target last offseason?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:14:50 PMBut not wrong.
Shouldn't wanting an improved roster be something everyone can agree on?
No one on Scoop has demonstrated
any influence upon Shaka's decisions, but the tone of many posts, to me, sound as if delusion is widespread here. You seem to be certain of what an "improved roster" is and are desperately seeking validation from "everyone".
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 01:18:36 PMSure, but you infer that the portal is the best way to do that and it's a completely short-term approach.
I haven't inferred this and have written just the opposite. I've said the roster should be built primarily with high school recruits.
But unless you're recruiting in the Duke ecosystem, there are always going to be misses, no matter how good of a recruiter and evaluator you are. And teams should use the portal to fill the holes those misses create.
Even Duke uses the portal to fill holes.
Like this time a year ago, there are obvious holes on the roster. Unlike last year, I would hope Shaka is working the portal to fill at least one of them.
Quote from: LAZER on April 01, 2025, 01:23:52 PMWho did he target last offseason?
Max Langenfeld
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65586.msg1653067#msg1653067
IIRC it fell apart in the final hours.
Quote from: LAZER on April 01, 2025, 01:23:52 PMWho did he target last offseason?
Well Coleman Hawkins said something on twitter that aluded to having had a talk with MU given how he responded to that "everyone gets paid the same" article
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 01, 2025, 01:26:17 PMNo one on Scoop has demonstrated any influence upon Shaka's decisions, but the tone of many posts, to me, sound as if delusion is widespread here. You seem to be certain of what an "improved roster" is and are desperately seeking validation from "everyone".
I have "no idea" what any of "this" is supposed "to mean."
You have nothing intelligent to say, so instead just get personal.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 01, 2025, 01:31:51 PMMax Langenfeld
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=65586.msg1653067#msg1653067
IIRC it fell apart in the final hours.
That was the equivalent of a high school recruit (he was a freshman at FAU this year), not a portal player.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:14:50 PMBut not wrong.
Shouldn't wanting an improved roster be something everyone can agree on?
Yes. I trust Shaka to do so in the way he feels best.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:38:25 PMThat was the equivalent of a high school recruit (he was a freshman at FAU this year), not a portal player.
Freshman eligibility wise, but played with professionals in Germany.
Looking at Rocky's Portal Website.
UCLA's Mara in portal Arizona's Veesaar in portal. Clemson Big Man Reevs in Portal TCU Big Udeh in Portal Mississippi State Jeremy Foumena6'11 235 in Portal Among many other Bigs
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 01, 2025, 01:41:18 PMFreshman eligibility wise, but played with professionals in Germany.
Still not a portal player.
Also, he's a 6'6" wing who appeared in six games this year for FAU, averaging 8.5 minutes per game.
I doubt very much Shaka was looking at him as a contributor this year.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 01, 2025, 01:15:56 PMMeechie Johnson started his career at Ohio State and then transferred to South Carolina.
He then transferred from South Carolina back to Ohio State.
He now has transferred from Ohio State back to South Carolina.
https://x.com/CBB_Central/status/1907126063685099785?t=nLeacYZxmWDzWmNBkjl95w&s=19
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1907127113284510162?t=ElFKxvixg6-1sp5zGvLwbA&s=19
He's undecided and just can't pick the right place.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:14:50 PMBut not wrong.
Shouldn't wanting an improved roster be something everyone can agree on?
Shaka seems to think "improving the roster" means retaining the players he recruited and believing in their development. Other coaches seem to think "improving the roster" means getting players out of the portal.
Like I said, there are multiple ways to win in college basketball. Crying because Shaka doesn't do it the way you see best is getting old.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 01, 2025, 01:41:18 PMFreshman eligibility wise, but played with professionals in Germany.
Was there anybody else besides Langenfeld? And I don't have a problem with Shaka staying away from the portal last year with the team he had coming back, but this year seems like a good time to leverage the portal.
Quote from: LAZER on April 01, 2025, 01:55:35 PMWas there anybody else besides Langenfeld? And I don't have a problem with Shaka staying away from the portal last year with the team he had coming back, but this year seems like a good time to leverage the portal.
You can go back and look through threads, but I do not recall anyone being rumored to MU. So he used the last scholarship on another project big.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2025, 01:54:08 PMShaka seems to think "improving the roster" means retaining the players he recruited and believing in their development. Other coaches seem to think "improving the roster" means getting players out of the portal.
Like I said, there are multiple ways to win in college basketball. Crying because Shaka doesn't do it the way you see best is getting old.
Personally, I don't think it needs to be an either/or. Certainly he could add talent through the portal while simultaneously developing the guys he recruited.
Quote from: LAZER on April 01, 2025, 01:58:01 PMPersonally, I don't think it needs to be an either/or. Certainly he could add talent through the portal while simultaneously developing the guys he recruited.
Sure. But until Shaka isn't competing for the NCAA Tournament I'll just not cry every time I see a big name in the portal commit somewhere that isn't Marquette.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:47:24 PMStill not a portal player.
Also, he's a 6'6" wing who appeared in six games this year for FAU, averaging 8.5 minutes per game.
I doubt very much Shaka was looking at him as a contributor this year.
But not a "high school" recruit either. He was an international recruit. I'd put it in between the two. He had 4 years of eligibility similar to a high school recruit but had experience against professionals.
Quote from: LAZER on April 01, 2025, 01:58:01 PMPersonally, I don't think it needs to be an either/or. Certainly he could add talent through the portal while simultaneously developing the guys he recruited.
Exactly this.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2025, 01:54:08 PMShaka seems to think "improving the roster" means retaining the players he recruited and believing in their development. Other coaches seem to think "improving the roster" means getting players out of the portal.
Like I said, there are multiple ways to win in college basketball. Crying because Shaka doesn't do it the way you see best is getting old.
Sigh.
Nobody is crying. It's a discussion forum. People are discussing things. Not every idea that isn't yours is crying.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 01, 2025, 01:59:53 PMSure. But until Shaka isn't competing for the NCAA Tournament I'll just not cry every time I see a big name in the portal commit somewhere that isn't Marquette.
Does the CoS have set requirements for only replying in a condescending manner?
Quote from: lake on April 01, 2025, 02:06:52 PMDoes the CoS have set requirements for only replying in a condescending manner?
Ironic that someone would use something as lame as "COS" and then complain about OTHERS being condescending. ::) ::) ::)
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 02:04:15 PMExactly this.
But, we are not losing contributors or expected contributors in the portal either. If Shaka was active in the portal, would that change the equation? Perhaps. Anyway, not sure why that is not part of the discussion.
Grass wasn't greener
https://x.com/tiptonedits/status/1907149048349364353?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on April 01, 2025, 02:15:02 PMGrass wasn't greener
https://x.com/tiptonedits/status/1907149048349364353?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
For the most part he seemed a bit out of his element there.
Quote from: RJax55 on April 01, 2025, 02:10:25 PMBut, we are not losing contributors or expected contributors in the portal either. If Shaka was active in the portal, would that change the equation? Perhaps. Anyway, not sure why that is not part of the discussion.
I'm not sure that matters. Is using the portal only wise/necessary when you lose players to the portal?
We're losing high-end players to graduation and replacing them with question marks.
Will Sean Jones not only look like himself pre-injury, but be a better version of himself to be given the keys to the offense?
Can Tre Norman bounce back, or is this who he is?
Can Parham at least replicate what Joplin provided?
Can Owens figure it out?
I can't be the only one who'd be more comfortable with a proven commodity in the post next year instead of just crossing our fingers and hope ... what? Ben hits the weight room really hard and adds at least a little variety to his game? Caedin Hamilton takes a massive leap? Josh Clark is a revelation, the way Hamilton was supposed to be this year?
Sure, all those things
could happen. But hope isn't a strategy.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 02:29:41 PMI'm not sure that matters. Is using the portal only wise/necessary when you lose players to the portal?
We're losing high-end players to graduation and replacing them with question marks.
Will Sean Jones not only look like himself pre-injury, but be a better version of himself to be given the keys to the offense?
Can Tre Norman bounce back, or is this who he is?
Can Parham at least replicate what Joplin provided?
Can Owens figure it out?
I can't be the only one who'd be more comfortable with a proven commodity in the post next year instead of just crossing our fingers and hope ... what? Ben hits the weight room really hard and adds at least a little variety to his game? Caedin Hamilton takes a massive leap? Josh Clark is a revelation, the way Hamilton was supposed to be this year?
Sure, all those things could happen. But hope isn't a strategy.
I'm not saying this will happen again but in 2023 did you foresee us sweeping the big east titles and getting a 2 seed after losing Darryl Kur and Justin?
It'd be great to pull in portal guys but if not pulling them in gets these guys a ton of experience and we're back as a protected seed in 2027 then I'm here for it.
Quote from: RJax55 on April 01, 2025, 02:10:25 PMBut, we are not losing contributors or expected contributors in the portal either. If Shaka was active in the portal, would that change the equation? Perhaps. Anyway, not sure why that is not part of the discussion.
It should definitely be part of the discussion and I guess it comes down to who the expected contributors are. Are you concerned with taking away minutes from Jones/Norman at PG or minutes away from Hamilton/Clark at C? Personally, those are two spots I'd look to add and if the guys I mentioned miss out on minutes, I'd be ok with it. Understand that a transfer is far from a sure thing, but it's a risk I'd be willing to take.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2025, 02:34:04 PMI'm not saying this will happen again but in 2023 did you foresee us sweeping the big east titles and getting a 2 seed after losing Darryl Kur and Justin?
It'd be great to pull in portal guys but if not pulling them in gets these guys a ton of experience and we're back as a protected seed in 2027 then I'm here for it.
I think there was quite the difference between 2023 and next year:
Omax was a top 20 power forward coming out of high school and was not being used right at Clemson. Kolek was freshman of the year in A10. We saw that Kam could be good his freshman year.
Next year, we have Tre Norman, who has regressed. We have Sean Jones, who will not have played in nearly 2 years. And we do not have anyone that has shown they can consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 02:40:10 PMI think there was quite the difference between 2023 and next year:
Omax was a top 20 power forward coming out of high school and was not being used right at Clemson. Kolek was freshman of the year in A10. We saw that Kam could be good his freshman year.
Next year, we have Tre Norman, who has regressed. We have Sean Jones, who will not have played in nearly 2 years. And we do not have anyone that has shown they can consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
I think you are using a lot of hindsight here.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 01, 2025, 02:41:35 PMI think you are using a lot of hindsight here.
Not at all - going into 2023, you could look at the predictive metrics and see we were going to be better than what people were saying. Alan wrote on this and called it out before the season started.
Assuming we get zero xfers, our metrics will not be as strong going into next year as they were heading into 2023.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 02:29:41 PMI'm not sure that matters. Is using the portal only wise/necessary when you lose players to the portal?
We're losing high-end players to graduation and replacing them with question marks.
Will Sean Jones not only look like himself pre-injury, but be a better version of himself to be given the keys to the offense?
Can Tre Norman bounce back, or is this who he is?
Can Parham at least replicate what Joplin provided?
Can Owens figure it out?
I can't be the only one who'd be more comfortable with a proven commodity in the post next year instead of just crossing our fingers and hope ... what? Ben hits the weight room really hard and adds at least a little variety to his game? Caedin Hamilton takes a massive leap? Josh Clark is a revelation, the way Hamilton was supposed to be this year?
Sure, all those things could happen. But hope isn't a strategy.
I've said this before but you'd have been clamoring to use the portal going into the 22-23 season with all of the question marks surrounding that team.
How did that season turn out?
Now, I'm certainly not saying to expect a protected seed next year but it's pretty f'n clear that Shaka's strategy is not "hope".
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2025, 02:34:04 PMI'm not saying this will happen again but in 2023 did you foresee us sweeping the big east titles and getting a 2 seed after losing Darryl Kur and Justin?
It'd be great to pull in portal guys but if not pulling them in gets these guys a ton of experience and we're back as a protected seed in 2027 then I'm here for it.
I nearly mentioned this in my post because I expected this response.
You're not wrong. Something similar could happen. But I think the cast of returning players from 2022-23 was far more proven than this group.
TK started 32 games the previous year and led the Big East in assists. There were questions about whether his shooting would ever come around, but there was no doubt he was a starting quality BE point guard.
Kam was unanimous all-newcomer team. It was obvious he was going to be a good one.
OMax, Oso and Stevie were less known qualities, but all showed more than the current group of young players outside of Zaide.
So, yeah, definitely some similarities, but I think the questions are much larger with next year's group than that one.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 02:40:10 PMI think there was quite the difference between 2023 and next year:
Omax was a top 20 power forward coming out of high school and was not being used right at Clemson. Kolek was freshman of the year in A10. We saw that Kam could be good his freshman year.
Next year, we have Tre Norman, who has regressed. We have Sean Jones, who will not have played in nearly 2 years. And we do not have anyone that has shown they can consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
We didn't have anyone going into 22-23 that had remotely shown they could consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 02:53:09 PMWe didn't have anyone going into 22-23 that had remotely shown they could consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
We will have to agree to disagree, but we had more talent on that 22-23 roster than next year. We will have to wait to kenpom is updated for next year to compare, but the reason the numbers nerds were so excited about 22-23 was because the numbers were saying something different than what the media was.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1907161093367058733
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 02:53:09 PMWe didn't have anyone going into 22-23 that had remotely shown they could consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
Yeah, Big East coaches picked us to finish 9th, and it wasn't because they just didn't like the "Pray" video.
Even the guys who turned out to be NBAers: Kolek couldn't shoot, couldn't go right, turned the ball over too much, had no float game; Oso had shown zero offensive ability and was skinny; Offensively, OMax was mostly known for falling on the floor and being a bad ballhandler. Plus, Stevie was an offensive liability and Joplin was not exactly a 5-star incoming freshman.
None of which means that Shaka shouldn't consider a transfer or two this offseason, BTW.
I have to believe the biggest issue of MU not using the portal is that MUSCOOP cannot comment on it. What fun is that?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 02:50:08 PMI nearly mentioned this in my post because I expected this response.
You're not wrong. Something similar could happen. But I think the cast of returning players from 2022-23 was far more proven than this group.
TK started 32 games the previous year and led the Big East in assists. There were questions about whether his shooting would ever come around, but there was no doubt he was a starting quality BE point guard.
Kam was unanimous all-newcomer team. It was obvious he was going to be a good one.
OMax, Oso and Stevie were less known qualities, but all showed more than the current group of young players outside of Zaide.
So, yeah, definitely some similarities, but I think the questions are much larger with next year's group than that one.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 02:40:10 PMI think there was quite the difference between 2023 and next year:
Omax was a top 20 power forward coming out of high school and was not being used right at Clemson. Kolek was freshman of the year in A10. We saw that Kam could be good his freshman year.
Next year, we have Tre Norman, who has regressed. We have Sean Jones, who will not have played in nearly 2 years. And we do not have anyone that has shown they can consistently be the alpha and lead the team in scoring.
Regarding Omax: Wait till you find out was Damarius Owens was... let alone that Zaide was 23rd.
Kolek I agree but Sean despite not having played in awhile is a proven commodity.
Chase is a proven veteran player that should more than compensate for Kam.
Ben has shown more at this point than Oso had going into his junior year.
Again I'm not saying we're going to be a 2 seed and sweep the titles or that it's a perfect comp but to act like the sky is falling and there's no precedent for success after not going into the portal is absurd.
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 01, 2025, 03:17:43 PMI have to believe the biggest issue of MU not using the portal is that MUSCOOP cannot comment on it. What fun is that?
Oh we're commenting
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:15:03 PMWe will have to agree to disagree, but we had more talent on that 22-23 roster than next year. We will have to wait to kenpom is updated for next year to compare, but the reason the numbers nerds were so excited about 22-23 was because the numbers were saying something different than what the media was.
Comparing returning talent is a different argument and, is in part, hindsight driven, IMO.
The fact remains that our leading returning scorer was Kam at 7 PPG. Kolek was coming off a year where he could not shoot. Oso was a solid back-up 5.
There were a TON of legitimate questions about that team going into the season.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2025, 03:22:00 PMAgain I'm not saying we're going to be a 2 seed and sweep the titles or that it's a perfect comp but to act like the sky is falling and there's no precedent for success after not going into the portal is absurd.
I'd also add, again, that we don't know that Shaka isn't pursuing players via the portal. Everything, for the most part, is happening behind closed doors. It is April 1st, portal season has weeks to run, we could very well still land someone that hasn't been mentioned here at all.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2025, 03:22:00 PMRegarding Omax: Wait till you find out was Damarius Owens was... let alone that Zaide was 23rd.
Kolek I agree but Sean despite not having played in awhile is a proven commodity.
Chase is a proven veteran player that should more than compensate for Kam.
Ben has shown more at this point than Oso had going into his junior year.
Again I'm not saying we're going to be a 2 seed and sweep the titles or that it's a perfect comp but to act like the sky is falling and there's no precedent for success after not going into the portal is absurd.
Chase is a good player, but he will not fully take the place of Kam. Sean is not a proven commodity at this point, as he has not played in 2 years. Ben is not Oso - Oso is a NBA player. Ben has not shown NBA talent to date and he is a turnstile on defense against any competent big man. Owens has the ability to be Omax like, but of course has to prove it.
The sky is not falling, but next years team for me, is the true transition year that many thought this past year would be. But we will have to wait to November to see if that is the case.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 01, 2025, 03:27:50 PMComparing returning talent is a different argument and, is in part, hindsight driven, IMO.
The fact remains that our leading returning scorer was Kam at 7 PPG. Kolek was coming off a year where he could shoot. Oso was a solid back-up 5.
There were a TON of legitimate questions about that team going into the season.
It is not hindsight driven if you look at the metrics from the pre season. That 22-23 team had much better metrics than what people were saying about them. We will have to wait until next year to see what the metrics look like on next years team.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 02:06:08 PMSigh.
Nobody is crying. It's a discussion forum. People are discussing things. Not every idea that isn't yours is crying.
But when every time a new big name pops up in the portal comes with a "Well wouldn't he look nice in MU colors?" or a big name in the portal commits somewhere and it's met with, "Huh, imagine attempting to improve your roster!" it definitely gets to the point of crying. I don't remember you being much of a whiner before the late season slide. But you've definitely been crying a lot here recently.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 02:29:41 PMI'm not sure that matters. Is using the portal only wise/necessary when you lose players to the portal?
We're losing high-end players to graduation and replacing them with question marks.
Will Sean Jones not only look like himself pre-injury, but be a better version of himself to be given the keys to the offense?
Can Tre Norman bounce back, or is this who he is?
Can Parham at least replicate what Joplin provided?
Can Owens figure it out?
I can't be the only one who'd be more comfortable with a proven commodity in the post next year instead of just crossing our fingers and hope ... what? Ben hits the weight room really hard and adds at least a little variety to his game? Caedin Hamilton takes a massive leap? Josh Clark is a revelation, the way Hamilton was supposed to be this year?
Sure, all those things could happen. But hope isn't a strategy.
I'm guessing Shaka's seen these guys and has an idea of whether they can compete at a BE level or not. He's been doing this for a while, and pretty successfully. Shaka's a competitive guy. He's a successful guy. He's not just blindly crossing his fingers and hoping. He knows what he has. The next time he doesn't at least meet expectations, and the next time he doesn't make the Tournament, at MU will be the first. Until then, giving him the benefit of the doubt is fair.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:31:34 PMChase is a good player, but he will not fully take the place of Kam.
That's not the argument I'm making, the question at hand is whether he's comparable to Kam returning from Sophomore year. Absolutely he is.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:31:34 PMBen is not Oso - Oso is a NBA player. Ben has not shown NBA talent to date and he is a turnstile on defense against any competent big man.
Oso after 2022 was not Oso either. Again the argument you're making is these players after the 2023 season. It's not the argument I made. Ben at this moment is a more proven player than Oso going into 2023
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:31:34 PMOwens has the ability to be Omax like, but of course has to prove it.
Similar to how Omax had to. If you use the argument of Omax's recruiting rankings as proof to a players potential and reasoning why we weren't panicking back then, then that same logic should apply to Owens.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:31:34 PMSean is not a proven commodity at this point, as he has not played in 2 years.
He is. The fact is he has 49 D1 basketball games under his belt and was averaging a decent chunk of minutes (12 Fr yr and 16 So yr). He might not be the same player, but he is a proven player. Maybe we have different definitions of the term. I wouldn't call Tre a proven player for example.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:31:34 PMThe sky is not falling, but next years team for me, is the true transition year that many thought this past year would be. But we will have to wait to November to see if that is the case.
Agree 100%, I think Shaka has enough proof in his pudding to earn doubling down on it this year. If it fails then time to pivot
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 01, 2025, 03:22:00 PMAgain I'm not saying we're going to be a 2 seed and sweep the titles or that it's a perfect comp but to act like the sky is falling and there's no precedent for success after not going into the portal is absurd.
I'm pretty sure neither I or Biz are doing this.
https://x.com/portal_updates/status/1907182571353452547?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MU82 on April 01, 2025, 03:17:22 PMNone of which means that Shaka shouldn't consider a transfer or two this offseason, BTW.
I like the way Shaka has been doing things and it's hard to argue with his results (2025 excepted). Other than his needing to find transfers to field a team his first year, this would seem to be the point in time that would make a transfer necessary and desirable - and I think it can be accomplished without destroying team chemistry. He has the board numbers from what we did this year and can easily project what that will likely mean for next year.
He's said he might use the portal to replace outgoing players. Does this extend to Big AL?
Knowing what we know now, how would you predict the order next year's Big East teams?
My gut feeling is the Big East may only get three bids. I can see MU finishing in the top 3.
Quote from: bilsu on April 01, 2025, 05:04:49 PMKnowing what we know now, how would you predict the order next year's Big East teams?
My gut feeling is the Big East may only get three bids. I can see MU finishing in the top 3.
I'll just assume SJU, MU, Creighton, and UCONN are going to be good until they aren't with Pitino, Shaka, McDermott, and Hurley running those programs.
It's impossible to know what rosters will look like going into next season at this point. Willard seems like a guy who should be able to land some decent transfers, so maybe they can be a bubble type team next year. Pitino Jr. will have a complete rebuild. Georgetown could be a bubble type team depending on who stays and who comes in. Butler has a nice recruiting class and just landed a high scoring mid major transfer. Holtmann has DePaul heading in the right direction, but doubt they're a Tourney team in year 2.
If I had to blindly guess I'd say 5 bids for the BE.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:34:17 PMIt is not hindsight driven if you look at the metrics from the pre season. That 22-23 team had much better metrics than what people were saying about them. We will have to wait until next year to see what the metrics look like on next years team.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 01, 2025, 03:15:03 PMWe will have to agree to disagree, but we had more talent on that 22-23 roster than next year. We will have to wait to kenpom is updated for next year to compare, but the reason the numbers nerds were so excited about 22-23 was because the numbers were saying something different than what the media was.
What are you talking about? KenPom ranked us 76th in the preseason metrics that year. I have no idea what we will be ranked preseason next year but it will likely be higher
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 01, 2025, 05:48:42 PMWhat are you talking about? KenPom ranked us 76th in the preseason metrics that year. I have no idea what we will be ranked preseason next year but it will likely be higher
Thank you.
Nice get for Butler. A guy I'd mentioned as being someone I'd MU could get as a scoring PG
https://x.com/DushawnLondon1/status/1907130605860426214?t=RXlsu4hrnkDUhODBpuJeLA&s=19
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 01, 2025, 07:17:30 PMNice get for Butler. A guy I'd mentioned as being someone I'd MU could get as a scoring PG
https://x.com/DushawnLondon1/status/1907130605860426214?t=RXlsu4hrnkDUhODBpuJeLA&s=19
Yeah. You've mentioned a lot of guys who you think would look good at MU. Wish MU would hire you as a GM at minimum.
If Elon wants a return on investment in Wisconsin, may I recommend a $26M donation to the Be The Difference NIL fund
The day will come when what happened to Izzo happens to Shaka. And then Shaka will have to use the portal.
What is interesting to me is how little chatter there has been about Shaka, other than early UVA. Perhaps his portal/NIL stance has made him less attractive to the power 4 schools.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2025, 06:28:07 AMThe day will come when what happened to Izzo happens to Shaka. And then Shaka will have to use the portal.
What is interesting to me is how little chatter there has been about Shaka, other than early UVA. Perhaps his portal/NIL stance has made him less attractive to the power 4 schools.
I'm surprised there isn't more chatter about Shaka keeping all his players when you look at what happened to Izzo.
It probably helps that he turns down jobs like UK and UVA, and schools know they can't get him. I would also think it helps to know he isn't going to place more value in the portal than on current player development. Makes me appreciate him even more when you see guys like Buzz running from their current positions. I think next year will be a little bumpy, but I'm looking forward to the years to follow.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 02, 2025, 06:46:26 AMI'm surprised there isn't more chatter about Shaka keeping all his players when you look at what happened to Izzo.
It probably helps that he turns down jobs like UK and UVA, and schools know they can't get him. I would also think it helps to know he isn't going to place more value in the portal than on current player development. Makes me appreciate him even more when you see guys like Buzz running from their current positions. I think next year will be a little bumpy, but I'm looking forward to the years to follow.
One of these days, instead of saying that the answer will take more time than we have, I would like him to take 20 minutes and really lay out his thoughts. We can piece them together, but I would like to hear it delivered power point lecture style.
Quote from: tower912 on April 02, 2025, 06:28:07 AMThe day will come when what happened to Izzo happens to Shaka. And then Shaka will have to use the portal.
What is interesting to me is how little chatter there has been about Shaka, other than early UVA. Perhaps his portal/NIL stance has made him less attractive to the power 4 schools.
The "chatter" about Shaka and McDermott just comes from the media and their disrespect of the Big East as a non-football conference. The people who actually work in college sports and know college hoops know Shaka has everything he wants at MU and isn't interested in getting back into a situation similar to Texas.
Billy, I agree. And perhaps that is becoming more widely accepted. Hence my comment on the lack of chatter.
Not surprised
https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1907238958100025742?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on April 02, 2025, 10:47:49 AMNot surprised
https://x.com/247hshoops/status/1907238958100025742?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
More surprising we aren't reaching out. Anyone know if we didn't go after him because of a culture thing?
It seems he would be another project that Shaka already said no once before
I just need to remind people that most transfers are in the portal because they kinda suck.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 02, 2025, 10:51:57 AMMore surprising we aren't reaching out. Anyone know if we didn't go after him because of a culture thing?
Actually that was my not surprised......that we apparently aren't recruiting him in the portal.
Either he said no the first time or Shaka cooled on him.......either way somebody else got that spot.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 02, 2025, 10:57:47 AMI just need to remind people that most transfers are in the portal because they kinda suck.
Yes, the majority of players in the portal are in the portal because they couldn't get PT a their current school.
On the other hand, seven of the 10 consensus first- and second-team all-Americans this year were transfers.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 02, 2025, 10:51:57 AMMore surprising we aren't reaching out. Anyone know if we didn't go after him because of a culture thing?
If no one is leaving, MU has plenty at the 2-3 position.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 02, 2025, 10:55:46 AMIt seems he would be another project that Shaka already said no once before
This is accurate.
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 01, 2025, 09:08:59 PMIf Elon wants a return on investment in Wisconsin, may I recommend a $26M donation to the Be The Difference NIL fund
Not even Dybantsa would be worth that motherf*cker embarrassing us courtside
Quote from: dpucane on April 02, 2025, 11:39:50 AMNot even Dybantsa would be worth that motherf*cker embarrassing us courtside
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Feel like he and Jimmy would have been friends
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 02, 2025, 08:28:28 AMThe "chatter" about Shaka and McDermott just comes from the media and their disrespect of the Big East as a non-football conference. The people who actually work in college sports and know college hoops know Shaka has everything he wants at MU and isn't interested in getting back into a situation similar to Texas.
I would not be surprised if McDermott floats his name out there to improve his situation at Creighton.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 02, 2025, 10:55:46 AMIt seems he would be another project that Shaka already said no once before
A 4 star recruit is considered a project by Shaka/you?
Quote from: willie warrior on April 02, 2025, 01:52:29 PMA 4 star recruit is considered a project by Shaka/you?
Balderdash
Quote from: willie warrior on April 02, 2025, 01:52:29 PMA 4 star recruit is considered a project by Shaka/you?
Let's see, Norman 4 Star, Fretig 4 Star, Abraham 4 Star, what do they all have in common, all look good on the bench. Sometimes rankings mean nothing.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 02, 2025, 02:45:00 PMLet's see, Norman 4 Star, Fretig 4 Star, Abraham 4 Star, what do they all have in common, all look good on the bench. Sometimes rankings mean nothing.
And sometimes freshman take time to adjust to the college game.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2025, 02:57:13 PMAnd sometimes freshman take time to adjust to the college game.
That's not true at all
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2025, 02:57:34 PMThat's not true at all
Yep. As Al once said "The best thing about freshmen is that they are very good players."
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2025, 03:00:21 PMYep. As Al once said "The best thing about freshmen is that they are very good players."
Look at Jim Chones
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2025, 03:06:53 PMLook at Jim Chones
Especially that day he went against Alcindor.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2025, 03:06:53 PMLook at Jim Chones
Let's not forget Dwyane Wade. He was invisible on the court his freshman year.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 02, 2025, 03:10:16 PMLet's not forget Dwyane Wade. He was invisible on the court his freshman year.
Almost Ramsey like
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on April 02, 2025, 03:11:25 PMAlmost Ramsey like
Whoa, whoa, whoa. Tap the brakes, pal
Quote from: wadesworld on April 02, 2025, 02:57:13 PMAnd sometimes freshman take time to adjust to the college game.
How about a sophomore, hope the light turns on next year!
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 02, 2025, 03:32:08 PMHow about a sophomore, hope the light turns on next year!
It won't
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 02, 2025, 03:33:36 PMIt won't
Like Al once said "The best thing about sophomores is they transfer outta here."
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2025, 03:35:11 PMLike Al once said "The best thing about sophomores is they transfer outta here."
That's why he cut Jim Chones
McNeeley to the draft.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/44492234/uconn-mcneeley-headed-draft-strong-freshman-season
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Looks like UW plugged 2 of the 3 holes in their starting lineup today with double digit ppg Senior guards via the portal. We'll get to watch Maryland and IU essentially put together rosters from scratch. Hopefully the development is coming along nicely because the competition we will be playing against is starting to load up.
Kind of surprised UW has turned into a program highly reliant on the portal.
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 02, 2025, 04:36:30 PMLooks like UW plugged 2 of the 3 holes in their starting lineup today with double digit ppg Senior guards via the portal. We'll get to watch Maryland and IU essentially put together rosters from scratch. Hopefully the development is coming along nicely because the competition we will be playing against is starting to load up.
About our true high major opponent... Dayton
As long as we play the portal reliant teams early in the year, we are OK. Once you get beyond early to mid-January the tables turn. Good news for ched and buzz games.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 02, 2025, 04:25:58 PMNever saw him play as a Freshman.
Too bad. He was majestic!
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2025, 05:08:17 PMToo bad. He was majestic!
Apparently. I guess I missed that season.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 02, 2025, 04:38:16 PMKind of surprised UW has turned into a program highly reliant on the portal.
Gard doesn't like playing freshman.
Quote from: Jockey on April 02, 2025, 05:52:25 PMGard doesn't like playing freshman.
Or freshman that smoke dope nonstop
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2025, 05:08:17 PMToo bad. He was majestic!
Majestic is the perfect adjective. I watched him on the court in awe.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 02, 2025, 04:38:16 PMKind of surprised UW has turned into a program highly reliant on the portal.
It has been interesting to see Gard evolve.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 02, 2025, 06:18:32 PMIt has been interesting to see Gard evolve.
Rent a player SMH
Gard always gets it done ... as evidenced by his 3 NCAA Tournament wins in the last 8 years.
Quote from: MU82 on April 02, 2025, 07:12:44 PMGard always gets it done ... as evidenced by his 3 NCAA Tournament wins in the last 8 years.
Is that bad?
in maybe the most shocking news involving Portal, AJ Storr is transferring from Kansas. Going back to high school that will mean eight schools in eight years.
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/1907808903787639131
He is after as much money as he can make now.
Quote from: tower912 on April 03, 2025, 10:55:32 AMHe is after as much money as he can make now.
a school can take a shot with him this time around knowing he's definitely a one year player for them.
Kansas must have cut his salary!
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 02, 2025, 04:36:30 PMLooks like UW plugged 2 of the 3 holes in their starting lineup today with double digit ppg Senior guards via the portal. We'll get to watch Maryland and IU essentially put together rosters from scratch. Hopefully the development is coming along nicely because the competition we will be playing against is starting to load up.
Agree. One them won a high school championship on that floor and his Dad was the kicker for them. But our state needs a playoff college football team more.
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 02, 2025, 04:36:30 PMLooks like UW plugged 2 of the 3 holes in their starting lineup today with double digit ppg Senior guards via the portal. We'll get to watch Maryland and IU essentially put together rosters from scratch. Hopefully the development is coming along nicely because the competition we will be playing against is starting to load up.
Who did they get? I'm having a hard time finding this news.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 03, 2025, 11:44:00 AMWho did they get? I'm having a hard time finding this news.
Nick Boyd of SDSU has a crystal ball prediction to UW, but that's not for sure yet. No clue on the other?
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 03, 2025, 11:58:07 AMNick Boyd of SDSU has a crystal ball prediction to UW, but that's not for sure yet. No clue on the other?
Andrew Rohde from Virginia...originally St. Thomas. Brookfield native.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 03, 2025, 11:58:07 AMNick Boyd of SDSU has a crystal ball prediction to UW, but that's not for sure yet. No clue on the other?
I read they recently had WCC freshman of the year, Aussie Rapp on an official earlier this week as well. Seems like a prototypical Badger player: https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/1902046754209513608
Gard knows ball.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 03, 2025, 11:44:00 AMWho did they get? I'm having a hard time finding this news.
Ah could have sworn I saw Boyd was official from a legit account. May have been mistaken.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 03, 2025, 12:01:06 PMAndrew Rohde from Virginia...originally St. Thomas. Brookfield native.
Will be interesting how his Big East roots at his first stop translate to the Big Ten.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 03, 2025, 01:06:23 PMWill be interesting how his Big East roots at his first stop translate to the Big Ten.
Between his St. Thomas roots, and Greg Gard as coach, Marquette's going to lose by 30 next year.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 03, 2025, 01:10:07 PMBetween his St. Thomas roots, and Greg Gard as coach, Marquette's going to lose by 30 next year.
Kids a winner
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 03, 2025, 01:14:04 PMKids a winner
We all need to say a prayer for Viper. His Christmas is going to be terrible.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 03, 2025, 01:17:20 PMWe all need to say a prayer for Viper. His Christmas is going to be terrible.
He has the greatest economy ever to celibate
Quote from: 🏀 on April 03, 2025, 04:07:09 PMCannot confirm. We have not talked.
Do you enjoy being shot close to the hoop, far from the hoop, or the true goldilocks option: just right.
Boyd is a nice pick up if they get him. Rohde is whatever, he took a big step back when he moved up to the ACC and he was just alright on a bad UVA team. He'll be another Klesmit...so lower end of average player in the B10 who manages to score 20+ against Marquette and be a bum against every other good team.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 03, 2025, 11:34:26 AMKansas must have cut his salary!
Probably more of an outright release
Just saw a headline saying UConn landed PORTAL SUPERSTAR SILAS DEMARY JR!
The guy averaged 13.5 ppg on 39.6% shooting, 3.9 rpg, 3.1 apg and 2.5 turnovers at Georgia.
Good for UConn landing a decent player who will probably get better under Hurley. But superstar? At least one Scooper wouldn't even consider him "significant contributor" material.
nice pick-up for Creighton and the Big East.
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1908164252696793386
Their third impact Portal addition:
https://x.com/HolyLandofHoops/status/1908165636804514263
Greg McDermott really looking at getting back to his roots of having great offense and terrible defense.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 04, 2025, 09:36:52 AMGreg McDermott really looking at getting back to his roots of having great offense and terrible defense.
That strategy got Alabama to the Elite Eight this past season.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 04, 2025, 10:15:13 AMThat strategy got Alabama to the Elite Eight this past season.
You keep saying this, but that's not the reality here. They finished the year with the 27th ranked defensive rating in KenPom (2 spots worse than Marquette's) and 26th in adjusted defensive efficiency at Torvik (5 spots better than Marquette's). Not elite, but certainly not "terrible."
Is there anyone good still left in the Transfer Portal?
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 04, 2025, 10:51:35 AMIs there anyone good still left in the Transfer Portal?
Yes.
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 04, 2025, 10:51:35 AMIs there anyone good still left in the Transfer Portal?
plumbers and firemen
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2025, 10:52:07 AMYes.
Maybe Sean will decide to come back to Marquette.
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 04, 2025, 10:51:35 AMIs there anyone good still left in the Transfer Portal?
Chris Hodges
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 04, 2025, 11:31:56 AMChris Hodges
Nah, we need Craig Hodges and Bob Lanier, so I have heard.
Jason Edwards is a good portal pick up for Providence.
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 04, 2025, 10:51:35 AMIs there anyone good still left in the Transfer Portal?
No more Dix
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 04, 2025, 09:36:52 AMGreg McDermott really looking at getting back to his roots of having great offense and terrible defense.
So their likely 2 best players next year are from an Iowa team that barely made the Big Ten Tournament?
Like the old saying goes, "speak softly and carry a big schtick."
Quaintance?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 04, 2025, 09:33:10 AMnice pick-up for Creighton and the Big East.
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1908164252696793386
Their third impact Portal addition:
https://x.com/HolyLandofHoops/status/1908165636804514263
So Dix out for Iowa, and Creighton got Dix in Omaha. Got it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 04, 2025, 12:40:58 PMSo Dix out for Iowa, and Creighton got Dix in Omaha. Got it.
McDermott will be sorry when he can't claim a moral victory at the end of the year
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 04, 2025, 12:40:58 PMSo Dix out for Iowa, and Creighton got Dix in Omaha. Got it.
Perfect! Scoopers are easily entertained in the off season. Yeah,
I know....and during the bball season as well.
Ben will get bullied by this dude. 6'9" - 260 lbs. Absolutely dominated in the NCAA Tournament for A&M.
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1908268035267248536?t=QDp0bRcjylLxV5XFK49RJg&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 04, 2025, 04:23:17 PMBen will get bullied by this dude. 6'9" - 260 lbs. Absolutely dominated in the NCAA Tournament for A&M.
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1908268035267248536?t=QDp0bRcjylLxV5XFK49RJg&s=19
I'm worried.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2025, 04:24:29 PMI'm worried.
Terrified, actually. Need to probably ask out of the game
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2025, 04:24:29 PMI'm worried.
I actually feel bad for Benny. Playing out of position ran him into the ground this season.
At least he doesn't play for Radford.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 04, 2025, 04:29:04 PMAt least he doesn't play for Radford.
Give it 5 or 6 years. Buzz could end up there.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 04, 2025, 04:26:24 PMTerrified, actually. Need to probably ask out of the game
I was hoping Buzz would be scared to come back to Milwaukee. Got out before the bullets got him, and now he has to come back into this war zone? Come on Buzz. Save Ben the embarrassment. Shaka playing him out of position is putting Ben's health at risk. Roster and medical malpractice all at once.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2025, 04:53:12 PMI was hoping Buzz would be scared to come back to Milwaukee. Got out before the bullets got him, and now he has to come back into this war zone? Come on Buzz. Save Ben the embarrassment. Shaka playing him out of position is putting Ben's health at risk. Roster and medical malpractice all at once.
Play the game in Mequon, for chrissakes
Shaka believes in development, Ben's going to gain 20 pounds of muscle over the summer and get a mean streak, so I can dream!
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 05:21:28 PMShaka believes in development, Ben's going to gain 20 pounds of muscle over the summer and get a mean streak, so I can dream!
I do not want to see any more Kiwi Kindness Ben. I want to see Kiwi Kickass. Ben.
https://x.com/TiptonEdits/status/1908304413304766916?t=NYMCU1GTUDUGxP2ElF8DTg&s=19
At least the Badgers are trying to improve!
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:14:06 PMAt least the Badgers are trying to improve!
You whine a lot.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:14:06 PMAt least the Badgers are trying to improve!
100%.
Heard Shaka and the team aren't even starting on conditioning until October 15th.
It was the main condition of Sean coming back.
#lazy
I like whining as I want to win badly and I do not see that with the team coming back
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:40:52 PMI like whining as I want to win badly and I do not see that with the team coming back
Hopefully whatever D1 program's fans your currently 6th grade grandson eventually plays on (top ranked player in his class, after all) go easier on him than you do on MU's players.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:40:52 PMI like whining as I want to win badly and I do not see that with the team coming back
Shocking. Perpetually negative guy stays negative.
I can talk on this board more then I can talk to my grandson, even his father can barely talk to him, he listens to Joe Chapman! And that is fine
I look at the landscape of college basketball and I am more optimistic than ever about growth, development, and retention. Can't wait to see what the next 6 months of development brings.
Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2025, 08:55:46 PMI look at the landscape of college basketball and I am more optimistic than ever about growth, development, and retention. Can't wait to see what the next 6 months of development brings.
Tower you are the most positive person on this board, hope your right and I am wrong!
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:53:29 PMI can talk on this board more then I can talk to my grandson, even his father can barely talk to him, he listens to Joe Chapman! And that is fine
Cool.
All of the following are rough ballpark figures. Sharpshoot all you want, but my conclusion stands.
Roughly 4000 division 1 basketball players. (351 × 13)
Roughly 1/4 (maybe slightly higher due to COVID year) used up their eligibility.
Of the remaining 3k- ish 1800+ are in the portal.
70% of the players in D1 will not be in the same place next year.
MU lost Amadou so far. Hopefully he is it.
Some teams will be put together well, others will not. Just like this past season. Just like every season pre portal.
I am choosing optimism and am choosing to appreciate stability.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:14:06 PMAt least the Badgers are trying to improve!
They added Rohde and Rapp. I am really low on our team next year, and even I don't think either of those two could start for us.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 04, 2025, 09:54:14 PMThey added Rohde and Rapp. I am really low on our team next year, and even I don't think either of those two could start for us.
BUT THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING AND WE HAVEN"T!!!!!!
Quote from: The Sultan on April 04, 2025, 09:55:04 PMBUT THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING AND WE HAVEN"T!!!!!!
They're trying to get better. Something we know nothing about at MU.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 04, 2025, 09:54:14 PMThey added Rohde and Rapp. I am really low on our team next year, and even I don't think either of those two could start for us.
They look like gym rats.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:59:38 PMTower you are the most positive person on this board, hope your right and I am wrong!
Second only to Goose. Where is he?
Why is everyone so concerned about something we knew was going to happen all along?
They aren't going to use the portal. I won't tell anyone what to do, but I'd recommend getting over it because it's not gonna happen, and if it does it's not gonna be a guy people get excited over.
How can you not be excited about what we have coming back and coming into the program?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 04, 2025, 10:36:21 PMWhy is everyone so concerned about something we knew was going to happen all along?
They aren't going to use the portal. I won't tell anyone what to do, but I'd recommend getting over it because it's not gonna happen, and if it does it's not gonna be a guy people get excited over.
How can you not be excited about what we have coming back and coming into the program?
If we weren't getting worked up about something, we wouldn't know what to do with ourselves.
Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2025, 08:55:46 PMI look at the landscape of college basketball and I am more optimistic than ever about growth, development, and retention. Can't wait to see what the next 6 months of development brings.
I'm with Brother Tower. I like the quality of the group that's incoming and I'm optimistic that the returning team will have a lot off work in between now and October 15.
Is it possible Coach Shaka could have misfired on some folks? That's always possible but you gotta go with what got you here!
Quote from: The Sultan on April 04, 2025, 09:55:04 PMBUT THEY HAVE DONE SOMETHING AND WE HAVEN"T!!!!!!
They had a bunch of seniors, super seniors, and a super super senior exhaust their eligibility. Additionally multiple players hit the portal. Only one of their top seven guys is guaranteed back next year. They have to add transfers just to field a team.
^^^^^
What he said.
I think a healthy level of skepticism to non portal additions this off season is normal given how we closed out the season.
I would rather be MU with two openings to possibly fill, vs. an average team with 6-7 openings to fill.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 04, 2025, 09:54:14 PMThey added Rohde and Rapp. I am really low on our team next year, and even I don't think either of those two could start for us.
Rapp is already what we hoped Gold would be. Better shooter, a more all around game. He only ended up at Portland because there were questions about whether he'd professionalized.
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 06:52:19 AMBanned. Don't doxx.
Are you
sure? I believe he left on his own. Doxxing simply sounds completely out of character to me in regard to Goose. He was a mellow fellow.
Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2025, 09:46:25 PMAll of the following are rough ballpark figures. Sharpshoot all you want, but my conclusion stands.
Roughly 4000 division 1 basketball players. (351 × 13)
Roughly 1/4 (maybe slightly higher due to COVID year) used up their eligibility.
Of the remaining 3k- ish 1800+ are in the portal.
70% of the players in D1 will not be in the same place next year.
MU lost Amadou so far. Hopefully he is it.
Some teams will be put together well, others will not. Just like this past season. Just like every season pre portal.
I am choosing optimism and am choosing to appreciate stability.
We should at least be the kings of November and December basketball then again.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 05, 2025, 08:51:44 AMAre you sure? I believe he left on his own. Doxxing simply sounds completely out of character to me in regard to Goose. He was a mellow fellow.
He's working on the new message board
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 06:52:19 AMBanned. Don't doxx.
What will it take for Rico to dox someone so we don't have to deal with him spamming every single thread?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 05, 2025, 09:14:58 AMWhat will it take for Rico to dox someone so we don't have to deal with him spamming every single thread?
This is great spam
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 05, 2025, 08:42:22 AMRapp is already what we hoped Gold would be. Better shooter, a more all around game. He only ended up at Portland because there were questions about whether he'd professionalized.
Gold has better shooting percentages than Rapp. Rapp having a high usage rate on a 12-20 WAC team doesn't make him more all round. Rapp is shorter than Gold and weighs less. Rapp plays less viable defense than Gold. Gold is estimated to be about 3.8 points per 100 possesstions better than him.
Rapp was worse than Royce and was under 1 point per 100 possessions better than Caedin. Caedin played better defense than him.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 05, 2025, 09:26:33 AMAren't you supposed to be funny?
Itching for a fight this morning? Shorthoops might engage later in the women's basketball thread.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 05, 2025, 08:51:44 AMAre you sure? I believe he left on his own. Doxxing simply sounds completely out of character to me in regard to Goose. He was a mellow fellow.
Pretty sure.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2025, 09:27:59 AMItching for a fight this morning? Shorthoops might engage later in the women's basketball thread.
And somehow shoot hoops contributes more positive content to this board than you do.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 05, 2025, 09:50:57 AMAnd somehow shoot hoops contributes more positive content to this board than you do.
If you want to distract from your Sean Jones news, I guess you can use me to do so.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 05, 2025, 09:14:58 AMWhat will it take for Rico to dox someone so we don't have to deal with him spamming every single thread?
My impeccable sources say Rico is actually Jim Chones.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 05, 2025, 09:22:27 AMGold has better shooting percentages than Rapp. Rapp having a high usage rate on a 12-20 WAC team doesn't make him more all round. Rapp is shorter than Gold and weighs less. Rapp plays less viable defense than Gold. Gold is estimated to be about 3.8 points per 100 possesstions better than him.
Rapp was worse than Royce and was under 1 point per 100 possessions better than Caedin. Caedin played better defense than him.
Stop with facts. Gard is trying to improve his team. Shaka is just bathing in cash from MU and laughing at people who thinks he cares about providing a good product to our extremely high spending program.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2025, 09:27:59 AMItching for a fight this morning? Shorthoops might engage later in the women's basketball thread.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2025, 09:52:50 AMIf you want to distract from your Sean Jones news, I guess you can use me to do so.
This is incredible.
Wades is the biggest rico slurper on here. Full simp mode
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 10:54:27 AMWades is the biggest rico slurper on here. Full simp mode
I like to think I am the biggest Rico fan here. A little disappointed in your assessment.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 10:54:27 AMWades is the biggest rico slurper on here. Full simp mode
Huh
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 11:03:29 AMI like to think I am the biggest Rico fan here. A little disappointed in your assessment.
Well an auspicious title u can battle
For over
The offseason eh yo
Although MDMU04 is flying under the radar attempting to take Rico's title.
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 11:38:14 AMAlthough MDMU04 is flying under the radar attempting to take Rico's title.
He's fantastic
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 11:36:15 AMWell an auspicious title u can battle
For over
The offseason eh yo
Out of the guys in the portal currently, which ones do you like as possible difference makers for Marquette or other teams?
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 10:54:27 AMWades is the biggest rico slurper on here. Full simp mode
I was just going to give you credit for typing a legible post, but then you unearth this beauty:
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2025, 11:36:15 AMWell an auspicious title u can battle
For over
The offseason eh yo
Quote from: The Sultan on April 05, 2025, 11:50:28 AMI was just going to give you credit for typing a legible post, but then you unearth this beauty:
Lol was thinking the same thing. Maybe he'll make another legible post about me being a sultan slurper.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 05, 2025, 11:50:28 AMI was just going to give you credit for typing a legible post, but then you unearth this beauty:
Can't plz everywon
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 04, 2025, 12:27:07 PMSo their likely 2 best players next year are from an Iowa team that barely made the Big Ten Tournament?
Yes. And if those guys go back to Iowa, everyone says "here's another high octane offense with zero defense Hawkeye team that will miss the tourney."
But because they're shiny new toys in Omaha, suddenly Greg is winning the portal.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 05, 2025, 01:29:01 PMYes. And if those guys go back to Iowa, everyone says "here's another high octane offense with zero defense Hawkeye team that will miss the tourney."
But because they're shiny new toys in Omaha, suddenly Greg is winning the portal.
Freeman is a fine defender and player.
Dix.... is not.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 05, 2025, 01:29:01 PMYes. And if those guys go back to Iowa, everyone says "here's another high octane offense with zero defense Hawkeye team that will miss the tourney."
But because they're shiny new toys in Omaha, suddenly Greg is winning the portal.
You're not wrong, but Mcdermott has shown the ability to win with guys like that. Iowa....not so much.
I'd expect Creighton to continue to be good until they show they aren't. Just like I do with MU.
Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2025, 08:55:46 PMI look at the landscape of college basketball and I am more optimistic than ever about growth, development, and retention. Can't wait to see what the next 6 months of development brings.
Sure, it should work better down the line when there aren't as many 23 year olds playing college ball.
That said, these next two years woulda been prime years for Marquette to be that team that's grown old with internally developed studs all over the court making a run to the Final 4.
Woulda been a great time to strike during this upcoming pocket as other teams are trying to figure it out and adapt without all the 5year players and with all the turnover.
I say would've because with what's in the cupboard currently it would take quite a leap to see a Final4 type team budding.
Hopefully the guy in charge can find a way
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 05, 2025, 09:52:50 AMIf you want to distract from your Sean Jones news, I guess you can use me to do so.
You spamming every thread, every hour of every day is far worse and far more annoying than me sharing a tidbit from a reliable source.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 05, 2025, 04:57:03 PMYou spamming every thread, every hour of every day is far worse and far more annoying than me sharing a tidbit from a reliable source.
Or unreliable
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 04, 2025, 08:40:52 PMI like whining as I want to win badly and I do not see that with the team coming back
You also didn't see it for the team coming back in 2022-23, the team coming back in 2023-24 and the team coming back in 2024-25.
So I like our chances.
Although I'd like our chances better if only Shaka wanted to win as badly as some anonymous interwebs Eeyore.
If a player like Clayton JR wants to transfer to Marquette do we take him
Feel the program is strong yet and we will win. Am grateful but feel we could do more
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2025, 05:26:26 PMYou also didn't see it for the team coming back in 2022-23, the team coming back in 2023-24 and the team coming back in 2024-25.
So I like our chances.
Although I'd like our chances better if only Shaka wanted to win as badly as some anonymous interwebs Eeyore.
All these teams missed one addition, a physical big man. Just watched two very good teams with physical bigs, you think any of our bigs could play for either team? No, next year no different
Quote from: DoctorV on April 05, 2025, 02:29:15 PMSure, it should work better down the line when there aren't as many 23 year olds playing college ball.
That said, these next two years woulda been prime years for Marquette to be that team that's grown old with internally developed studs all over the court making a run to the Final 4.
Woulda been a great time to strike during this upcoming pocket as other teams are trying to figure it out and adapt without all the 5year players and with all the turnover.
I say would've because with what's in the cupboard currently it would take quite a leap to see a Final4 type team budding.
Hopefully the guy in charge can find a way
I hope he can also, but not looking real good.
Can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear ! Watch the teams still playing !
BC, maybe in another decade or two, you'll learn how to use Scoop's quote feature when you check in for mope-up time.
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2025, 08:32:42 PMBC, maybe in another decade or two, you'll learn how to use Scoop's quote feature when you check in for mope-up time.
Someday I will learn to mop!
What a game
Joshua Jefferson in the portal.
Abraham to Georgetwon.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2025, 02:55:48 PMAbraham to Georgetwon.
Guess we'll have to settle for Isaac or Jacob.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2025, 02:55:48 PMAbraham to Georgetwon.
Hope he steers clear of Ford's Theater.
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2025, 05:21:09 PMGuess we'll have to settle for Isaac or Jacob.
I want Moses. If he can part a sea, clearing a path to the basket would be mere child's play.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 06, 2025, 05:26:16 PMHope he steers clear of Ford's Theater.
I should not have laughed at this as much as I did.
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2025, 05:21:09 PMGuess we'll have to settle for Isaac or Jacob.
It's a shame we didn't have Abel Joseph at the same time we had Jamal Cain.
Badgers land a monster in Nick Boyd
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 07, 2025, 08:00:36 AMThis displeases me
It displeases me as well. I want Shaka to take a chance here. The team has nothing to lose in trying.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on April 07, 2025, 07:52:45 AMBadgers land a monster in Nick Boyd
This feels like hyperbole.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2025, 09:05:44 AMThis feels like hyperbole.
Not if you view it as only monsters attend UW.
Tonje was pretty much the best transfer you could ask for. Badgers and Gard doing what I wish Shaka would even dip his toes in.
Switch allegiance. Open up your fan card to the highest bidder.
Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2025, 09:38:13 AMSwitch allegiance. Open up your fan card to the highest bidder.
2 options, pick one.
a) Shaka continues the recruit-only mentality and does not add a portal player
b) Shaka adds at least 1 transfer he feels is a good fit and an impact player to improve the roster
Which do
you prefer?
Quote from: HowardsWorld on April 07, 2025, 07:52:45 AMBadgers land a monster in Nick Boyd
He is 6'3" that's not a monster.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 10:11:34 AM2 options, pick one.
a) Shaka continues the recruit-only mentality and does not add a portal player
b) Shaka adds at least 1 transfer he feels is a good fit and an impact player to improve the roster
Which do you prefer?
Whatever choice he makes. WTF do I know about building a roster?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 07, 2025, 10:14:37 AMHe is 6'3" that's not a monster.
He was the best pg in the pool imo. Wasn't talking hight
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 09:36:15 AMTonje was pretty much the best transfer you could ask for. Badgers and Gard doing what I wish Shaka would even dip his toes in.
Yeah, but now they are almost fully reliant on bringing in a transfer to score each year. It's a risky strategy.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 10:11:34 AM2 options, pick one.
a) Shaka continues the recruit-only mentality and does not add a portal player
b) Shaka adds at least 1 transfer he feels is a good fit and an impact player to improve the roster
Which do you prefer?
To trust Shaka. If he goes with option A, I will root for the Marquette. If he goes with option B I will root for Marquette.
Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2025, 09:38:13 AMSwitch allegiance. Open up your fan card to the highest bidder.
Fall in line or leave.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 10:11:34 AM2 options, pick one.
a) Shaka continues the recruit-only mentality and does not add a portal player
b) Shaka adds at least 1 transfer he feels is a good fit and an impact player to improve the roster
Which do you prefer?
1)
Nice work at loading the questions. Kudos!
2) Our votes count as much as the SOTG votes do. In this case, Shaka's vote is the only one that is counted. But go ahead-tell us which one you prefer.
3) Adding from the portal may "improve the roster". Or, in the long run, it may make the roster weaker. This is a point that enthusiastic portal people very conveniently ignore. Just as they ignore the number of seasons that it may take for Shaka's system to be fairly evaluated. Next season will be open season on Shaka more so than this past one. The portal people want an improved roster
right now! 4) Just for fun, finish your answer by completing the phrase "or else.....!
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 07, 2025, 10:30:15 AMYeah, but now they are almost fully reliant on bringing in a transfer to score each year. It's a risky strategy.
Somewhat reliant, sure. Blackwell's a stud. Winter will fill in nicely up front.
Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2025, 10:31:49 AMTo trust Shaka. If he goes with option A, I will root for the Marquette. If he goes with option B I will root for Marquette.
Coming from the guy who deemed the historic late-season collapse as "a fun season" I am convinced you would be equally comfortable atop the big east or in the dregs of the league like Depaul
Boyd is a nice player. But theyre still way worse than last year cause no one is replacing Tonje, his shotmaking bailed them out all the time.
Their other 2 portal adds - Rohde is alright but Rapps metrics are pretty terrible. No reason to be scared of UW, theyre way worse than last year.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 10:44:39 AMComing from the guy who deemed the historic late-season collapse as "a fun season" I am convinced you would be equally comfortable atop the big east or in the dregs of the league like Depaul
How was the late-season collapse "historic?"
And I thought it was a fun season as well. Too bad it had a bad ending.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 07, 2025, 10:41:00 AM2) Our votes count as much as the SOTG votes do. In this case, Shaka's vote is the only one that is counted. But go ahead-tell us which one you prefer.
Such a baffling take.
Nothing we write here will change anything about the program. The recruiting thread doesn't affect who MU recruits or lands. Threads discussing minutes distribution and lineups will affect neither. Threads discussing offensive or defensive philosophies will have no bearing on the coaching staff's approach. Threads discussing NIL strategy will not change MU's NIL strategy.
If you think discussion should be limited to only areas where fans' votes count, Scoop is going to be an awfully quiet place.
Quote3) Adding from the portal may "improve the roster". Or, in the long run, it may make the roster weaker. This is a point that enthusiastic portal people very conveniently ignore.
You're essentially saying here that you don't trust Shaka's ability to identify and recruit transfers who will improve the roster, despite evidence to the contrary.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 07, 2025, 10:41:00 AM1) Nice work at loading the questions. Kudos!
2) Our votes count as much as the SOTG votes do. In this case, Shaka's vote is the only one that is counted. But go ahead-tell us which one you prefer.
3) Adding from the portal may "improve the roster". Or, in the long run, it may make the roster weaker. This is a point that enthusiastic portal people very conveniently ignore. Just as they ignore the number of seasons that it may take for Shaka's system to be fairly evaluated. Next season will be open season on Shaka more so than this past one. The portal people want an improved roster right now!
4) Just for fun, finish your answer by completing the phrase "or else.....!
Well I suppose we should just shut the message board down since none of this discussion has any influence on Shaka's decisions.
Just for fun, can you name a couple players who recently transferred to MU and happened to make a huge impact on the program's success?
The 2008-09 team is one of my all-times favorites. It was a fun season despite the crappy ending.
I'm feeling pretty good about the state of the program if a 13-7 Big East record and making the tournament as a 7 seed is considered a historic collapse.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on April 07, 2025, 10:28:13 AMHe was the best pg in the pool imo. Wasn't talking hight
I was being sarcastic, but this is a wild claim.
Best PG in the pool? 247 has him listed as a SG, but even if you see him as a PG he isn't Top 15 at the position.
Dent, Stirtz, Gillespie, Demary. I could go on...he's not in that class of PG.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 07, 2025, 10:58:25 AMI was being sarcastic, but this is a wild claim.
Best PG in the pool? 247 has him listed as a SG, but even if you see him as a PG he isn't Top 15 at the position.
Dent, Stirtz, Gillespie, Demary. I could go on...he's not in that class of PG.
Yeah, calling him better than Dent and Stirtz is wild. Chicken littles here will do that though...
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 10:11:34 AM2 options, pick one.
a) Shaka continues the recruit-only mentality and does not add a portal player
b) Shaka adds at least 1 transfer he feels is a good fit and an impact player to improve the roster
Which do you prefer?
I've warmed up to option A, since that's what it looks like currently. Just that there will be no excuses next year. There shouldn't be any "young team in an old league" garbage said. Shaka's way comes with a lot of risk as well. Imagine Parham, Owens, and a freshman all having great years on a .500 team. They could easily get poached at that point even when we spent a whole crappy year developing them for a P4 to just swoop in, snatch them up, and win with them the following year. How gutting would that be?
In any case, Shaka's way will be very polarizing next year, and in the worst case, may begin to turn him off on MU. Every loss media members and fans will be saying "that's why you need to go to the portal", etc. I'm not going to be a part of that though. Just going to support the team as the first 4 years were a lot of fun.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 10:44:39 AMSomewhat reliant, sure. Blackwell's a stud. Winter will fill in nicely up front.
Coming from the guy who deemed the historic late-season collapse as "a fun season" I am convinced you would be equally comfortable atop the big east or in the dregs of the league like Depaul
I would still root for MU.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 10:33:58 AMFall in line or leave.
Why would I do that? I like it here.
I refuse to fall in the despair line.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 10:52:09 AMSuch a baffling take.
Nothing we write here will change anything about the program. The recruiting thread doesn't affect who MU recruits or lands. Threads discussing minutes distribution and lineups will affect neither. Threads discussing offensive or defensive philosophies will have no bearing on the coaching staff's approach. Threads discussing NIL strategy will not change MU's NIL strategy.
If you think discussion should be limited to only areas where fans' votes count, Scoop is going to be an awfully quiet place.
You're essentially saying here that you don't trust Shaka's ability to identify and recruit transfers who will improve the roster, despite evidence to the contrary.
There is nothing wrong with respectfully questioning roster construction and off season additions while understanding your words have no bearing on how the situation will manifest.
The "I implicitly trust Shaka" position is such a weak argument.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 10:52:09 AMSuch a baffling take.
Nothing we write here will change anything about the program. The recruiting thread doesn't affect who MU recruits or lands. Threads discussing minutes distribution and lineups will affect neither. Threads discussing offensive or defensive philosophies will have no bearing on the coaching staff's approach. Threads discussing NIL strategy will not change MU's NIL strategy.
If you think discussion should be limited to only areas where fans' votes count, Scoop is going to be an awfully quiet place.
You're essentially saying here that you don't trust Shaka's ability to identify and recruit transfers who will improve the roster, despite evidence to the contrary.
many of Shaka's most successful players are portal additions or Wojo recruits.
Jop, Ross and gold are the three guys I can think of off the top of my head as Shaka guys with no cbb experience. Jop with a solid career, ross is on his way with a question mark and the jury is still very much out on gold.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 11:24:14 AMThe "I implicitly trust Shaka" position is such a weak argument.
What more would Shaka have needed to do over the last 4 years for you to trust him?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 11:24:14 AMThe "I implicitly trust Shaka" position is such a weak argument.
Why?
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 11:30:00 AMWhat more would Shaka have needed to do over the last 4 years for you to trust him?
I do trust him - I also saw cracks in our roster this year and see more next year. The transfer portal is not a panacea for the perfect team but ignoring it is putting a glass ceiling on your success.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with looking to add a transfer when a high school guy doesn't pan out as expected (Norman, any of our bigs), we have a PG coming off of a catastrophic injury who hasn't played a game in a year and a half or we're graduating our best player.
Shaka's apparent strategy now is fine if you're ok taking one step back to maybe take two steps forward, but I think it's doing the program a disservice not to add a talented piece or two to make the team better and more competitive every season.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 11:24:14 AMThe "I implicitly trust Shaka" position is such a weak argument.
Agreed. I'm going to trust the guy who said Sean Jones was transferring over the 2023 AP Coach of the Year.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 11:39:59 AMI do trust him - I also saw cracks in our roster this year and see more next year. The transfer portal is not a panacea for the perfect team but ignoring it is putting a glass ceiling on your success.
I see absolutely nothing wrong with looking to add a transfer when a high school guy doesn't pan out as expected (Norman, any of our bigs), we have a PG coming off of a catastrophic injury who hasn't played a game in a year and a half or we're graduating our best player.
Shaka's apparent strategy now is fine if you're ok taking one step back to maybe take two steps forward, but I think it's doing the program a disservice not to add a talented piece or two to make the team better and more competitive every season.
There's two sides of this coin though. Always going to the portal may result in you taking one step forward to take two steps back. There's going to be a year when the transfers just don't live up to the hype, and the young players that you're developing for the future have already bolted because they got recruited over.
I don't think there's a right/wrong way, but until Shaka's approach actually proves to not work, rather than just looking like there are cracks in the team next year, I will implicitly trust Shaka.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 11:30:00 AMWhat more would Shaka have needed to do over the last 4 years for you to trust him?
I imagine most Chiefs fans trust Andy Reid.
I also imagine most Chiefs fans question the offensive line he's assembled and his Super Bowl strategy this year.
Trusting a coach shouldn't be synonymous with never questioning or criticizing anything.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on April 07, 2025, 10:28:13 AMHe was the best pg in the pool imo. Wasn't talking hight
Just one source and it's subjective but The Athletic had him ranked as the 37th best player in the portal.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 11:46:48 AMThere's two sides of this coin though. Always going to the portal may result in you taking one step forward to take two steps back. There's going to be a year when the transfers just don't live up to the hype, and the young players that you're developing for the future have already bolted because they got recruited over.
I don't think there's a right/wrong way, but until Shaka's approach actually proves to not work, rather than just looking like there are cracks in the team next year, I will implicitly trust Shaka.
He doesn't need to abandon his development mindset. But there should be considerations made when there are very clear holes in the roster which put a ceiling on your team's success. One or two "character fitting" portal additions will not ruin the culture. If anything it breeds a new level of competitiveness rather than complacency.
The lack of depth killed us in the back half of this season. Our performance in feb/march/April should be a considered a big crack. Without any additions, next year will be bumpy too.
He's done incredible things so far but there is cause for concern looking forward. And none of that has to do with what he accomplished already.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 11:47:30 AMI imagine most Chiefs fans trust Andy Reid.
I also imagine most Chiefs fans question the offensive line he's assembled and his Super Bowl strategy this year.
Trusting a coach shouldn't be synonymous with never questioning or criticizing anything.
I don't know anything about football so I guess I'll trust you about your anecdotal, cross sport, college vs pros, salary cap vs no salary cap evidence.
I don't think Shaka is above criticism, I've thought he's been to stingy with TOs at times, I commented recently that I think he should have more set plays to help develop the underclassmen, more off the ball movement, let's have a real in-bounds play, etc.
It just seems like there's a lot of "I like Shaka, but I don't trust him to build a team", which looks an awful lot like sitting on the fence where regardless of how the team performs you can go back and say "I was right, I said I trusted him", or "I was right, I said he needed to do xyz", and
that is a weak argument.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 11:54:12 AMHe doesn't need to abandon his development mindset. But there should be considerations made when there are very clear holes in the roster which put a ceiling on your team's success. One or two "character fitting" portal additions will not ruin the culture. If anything it breeds a new level of competitiveness rather than complacency.
The lack of depth killed us in the back half of this season. Our performance in feb/march/April should be a considered a big crack. Without any additions, next year will be bumpy too.
He's done incredible things so far but there is cause for concern looking forward. And none of that has to do with what he accomplished already.
A lot of fence sitting "buts" and conjecture about what you think will happen vs looking at what Shaka has actually accomplished.
Again, until his way of running things actually stops working, I will trust him.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 12:00:01 PMA lot of fence sitting "buts" and conjecture about what you think will happen vs looking at what Shaka has actually accomplished.
Again, until his way of running things actually stops working, I will trust him.
That is some extremely selective critiquing while ignoring the very clear overall point lol.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 12:04:19 PMThat is some extremely selective critiquing while ignoring the very clear overall point lol.
Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong but your overall point is that you think we will be bad, mine is that we haven't been yet and until we are we should keep doing what we're doing.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 10:52:09 AMYou're essentially saying here that you don't trust Shaka's ability to identify and recruit transfers who will improve the roster, despite evidence to the contrary.
Pretty sure that's not what he's saying.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 07, 2025, 11:54:12 AMHe doesn't need to abandon his development mindset. But there should be considerations made when there are very clear holes in the roster which put a ceiling on your team's success. One or two "character fitting" portal additions will not ruin the culture. If anything it breeds a new level of competitiveness rather than complacency.
The lack of depth killed us in the back half of this season. Our performance in feb/march/April should be a considered a big crack. Without any additions, next year will be bumpy too.
He's done incredible things so far but there is cause for concern looking forward. And none of that has to do with what he accomplished already.
Why are you assuming there were/are culture fits that also were ok with Shaka/Marquette's NIL approach and would have been fine with being #7 - 10 in the rotation?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2025, 12:14:30 PMPretty sure that's not what he's saying.
Correct. I didn't bother to respond to Pakuni because his insistence of informing scoopers of what they
really are saying reminds me of the departed Lenny's M.0. It's long since gotten very old.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 12:08:49 PMOkay. Correct me if I'm wrong but your overall point is that you think we will be bad, mine is that we haven't been yet and until we are we should keep doing what we're doing.
Best case, with the roster as it stands now, we'll be a bubble team next year.
My overarching point here is, saying I trust Shaka for what he's accomplished in the past doesn't change the fact there are holes in our roster going into next year that put a ceiling on our capabilities.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2025, 12:18:37 PMWhy are you assuming there were/are culture fits that also were ok with Shaka/Marquette's NIL approach and would have been fine with being #7 - 10 in the rotation?
You, I and everyone else here don't know that for sure. But given the volume of entrants in the portal, Marquette's recent success and Shaka's personality, odds are with some good old fashioned networking, he could find a talent and personality fit.
Also, I'm not sure why you're limiting the search criteria to back end of the rotation players because we absolutely could've used a center this year and absolutely need one next year.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 11:46:48 AMThere's two sides of this coin though. Always going to the portal may result in you taking one step forward to take two steps back. There's going to be a year when the transfers just don't live up to the hype, and the young players that you're developing for the future have already bolted because they got recruited over.
I don't think there's a right/wrong way, but until Shaka's approach actually proves to not work, rather than just looking like there are cracks in the team next year, I will implicitly trust Shaka.
Players don't live up to the hype whether they are transfers or recruits all the time. The Badged got a proven winner and vet pg, we are hoping a guy coming off an acl can be our pg. what is the more risky strategy? As for the portal ruining culture...literally every team is doing it. If we were getting all Top 50 recruits I would be all on board with recruit and develop....but we aren't
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2025, 12:18:37 PMWhy are you assuming there were/are culture fits that also were ok with Shaka/Marquette's NIL approach and would have been fine with being #7 - 10 in the rotation?
Honest question ... how is Shaka's culture significantly different from the culture at Houston or the culture at Creighton or the culture at Michigan State or the culture at Tennessee?
Do Marquette players compete harder? Are they better teammates? Share the ball better?
Every program talks about culture, and every winning program thinks they have a great culture.
And if bringing in a portal kid every now and again jeopardizes your entire culture, then your culture was fragile to begin with.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2025, 12:14:30 PMPretty sure that's not what he's saying.
It's exactly what he's saying.
Very fair to analyze roster construction on both ends of the spectrum.
In year one, Shaka had to build a roster quickly. He brought in Morsell and Kuath to fill immediate needs, Kolek as a promising point guard, and O-Max as a high-upside prospect. O-Max became an NBA player in two years. Kolek turned into one of the best point guards in the country. These guys were program-defining players brought in through the portal - props to the staff for their development. Same for that of Lewis, Oso, Jones and Mitchell.
Team chemistry never seemed to be an issue. If anything, adding experience helped the young guys develop. Without Tyler, Oso may not be playing for the Suns today. The only real miss was Wrightsil, who barely played due to injury.
Shaka's focus on developing high school recruits is a solid long-term approach. But with the way the game is changing, it's frustrating to see roster holes go unaddressed when he's already proven he can find great fits in the portal seasons ago. His high school recruiting at MU has been fine, not elite. Transfers can bring experience, fill gaps, and raise the ceiling without hurting team culture.
He doesn't need to go all-in on the portal every single year, just stay open to what's worked for him before. If 'he knows more than you' ended every debate, this board would be nothing but game threads and injury updates.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 07, 2025, 11:57:11 AMIt just seems like there's a lot of "I like Shaka, but I don't trust him to build a team", which looks an awful lot like sitting on the fence where regardless of how the team performs you can go back and say "I was right, I said I trusted him", or "I was right, I said he needed to do xyz", and that is a weak argument.
I think I've been pretty clear where I stand with this. Shaka was outstanding his first three seasons and not so outstanding last year, both in terms of his roster construction and coaching. If he was expecting Sean back in time to help down the stretch, he was wrong. If he was expecting leaps from Gold, Norman and Hamilton, he was wrong. If he thought the three seniors could carry the load all season without wearing out, he was wrong.
Also, I've been pretty clear that I don't find any of that to be anything close to a fireable offense. But they were mistakes that added up to a disappointing finish. And it's OK to discuss and be critical of those mistakes.
My concern now is that rather than adjusting anything as a result of how the season unfolded, he's doubling down on more of the same. At least that's what we've seen in the public realm, i.e. his comments and the lack of any connection to transfer options. Maybe he's got some things cooking that we don't know about.
If next year's squad exceeds expectations, has a great regular season and advances to the second weekend or beyond, I'll be thrilled that my concerns were unfounded.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2025, 11:04:30 AMYeah, calling him better than Dent and Stirtz is wild. Chicken littles here will do that though...
Gillespie to Tennessee is right up there with those adds IMO.
He's an awesome fit there and should elevate their offense a ton!
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 12:58:29 PMIt's exactly what he's saying.
It's literally not and he confirmed as much. Buy you know what he's saying better than he does, huh?
Truly ridiculous.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 07, 2025, 12:59:46 PMVery fair to analyze roster construction on both ends of the spectrum.
In year one, Shaka had to build a roster quickly. He brought in Morsell and Kuath to fill immediate needs, Kolek as a promising point guard, and O-Max as a high-upside prospect. O-Max became an NBA player in two years. Kolek turned into one of the best point guards in the country. These guys were program-defining players brought in through the portal - props to the staff for their development. Same for that of Lewis, Oso, Jones and Mitchell.
Team chemistry never seemed to be an issue. If anything, adding experience helped the young guys develop. Without Tyler, Oso may not be playing for the Suns today. The only real miss was Wrightsil, who barely played due to injury.
Shaka's focus on developing high school recruits is a solid long-term approach. But with the way the game is changing, it's frustrating to see roster holes go unaddressed when he's already proven he can find great fits in the portal seasons ago. His high school recruiting at MU has been fine, not elite. Transfers can bring experience, fill gaps, and raise the ceiling without hurting team culture.
He doesn't need to go all-in on the portal every single year, just stay open to what's worked for him before. If 'he knows more than you' ended every debate, this board would be nothing but game threads and injury updates.
Reasonable take.
I really like the recruit/develop/retain philosophy. It's been successful and it sets us apart from other major-college programs. That this year's recruits specifically mentioned it as a big reason they selected Marquette reinforces it.
However, I don't see why our culture wouldn't allow a well-selected transfer or two to join the program. Just as I trust Shaka to build our team through his recruit/develop/retain philosophy, I trust him to choose transfers who wouldn't disrupt our winning culture.
Having said all that, I do get a kick out of the many Scoopers who are holding up the Weasels as a model of operating in the current college basketball environment. These Scoopers hate that Shaka has won only 3 NCAAT games in 4 years, but they tout a program that has won only 2 NCAAT games in that same span - and only 3 in the 8 years since Gard had to start recruiting his own players.
They got extraordinarily lucky with Tonje ... and they still lost big to Marquette during the season and won only one more NCAAT game than we did. And Storr was a net negative the year before that.
Will Boyd be better than Tonje? I guess so, because one Scooper called Boyd a "monster."
A 6-foot-3, 13 ppg, 41%-shooting, 2-TO-per-game monster with an eFG% lower than Stevie Mitchell's.
Shaka may not be looking in the portal but Marquette has recently been linked to three HS recruits. Late bloomer Odartey Blankson Jr. and West Virginia decommits Kelvin Odih and Braydon Hawthorne.
So it's not like Shaka is completely kicking back and doing nothing.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 12:58:29 PMHonest question ... how is Shaka's culture significantly different from the culture at Houston or the culture at Creighton or the culture at Michigan State or the culture at Tennessee?
Do Marquette players compete harder? Are they better teammates? Share the ball better?
Every program talks about culture, and every winning program thinks they have a great culture.
And if bringing in a portal kid every now and again jeopardizes your entire culture, then your culture was fragile to begin with.
Do those programs have the same roster-building strategy Shaka does?
Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2025, 01:46:22 PMReasonable take.
I really like the recruit/develop/retain philosophy. It's been successful and it sets us apart from other major-college programs. That this year's recruits specifically mentioned it as a big reason they selected Marquette reinforces it.
However, I don't see why our culture wouldn't allow a well-selected transfer or two to join the program. Just as I trust Shaka to build our team through his recruit/develop/retain philosophy, I trust him to choose transfers who wouldn't disrupt our winning culture.
Having said all that, I do get a kick out of the many Scoopers who are holding up the Weasels as a model of operating in the current college basketball environment. These Scoopers hate that Shaka has won only 3 NCAAT games in 4 years, but they tout a program that has won only 2 NCAAT games in that same span - and only 3 in the 8 years since Gard had to start recruiting his own players.
They got extraordinarily lucky with Tonje ... and they still lost big to Marquette during the season and won only one more NCAAT game than we did. And Storr was a net negative the year before that.
Will Boyd be better than Tonje? I guess so, because one Scooper called Boyd a "monster."
A 6-foot-3, 13 ppg, 41%-shooting, 2-TO-per-game monster with an eFG% lower than Stevie Mitchell's.
I won't look at Bucky but I'll show you MSU. One of two programs with us in 2023-24 who had not taken a transfer the prior year and hadn't taken a transfer since Joey in 2019 and Tyson Walker (Northeastern) in 2020-21. After a poor year by their standards (second round as a 9 seed, losing to 1 seed UNC) Izzo went out and brought in two grad transfers from low majors (Omaha and Longwood) to fill holes and depth. They have five tourney wins in three years (one over us as the 7 seed).
I'm not an advocate of filling the roster with transfers but a "plug holes with transfers" and we have some holes to fill.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2025, 01:56:50 PMI won't look at Bucky but I'll show you MSU. One of two programs with us in 2023-24 who had not taken a transfer the prior year and hadn't taken a transfer since Joey in 2019 and Tyson Walker (Northeastern) in 2020-21. After a poor year by their standards (second round as a 9 seed, losing to 1 seed UNC) Izzo went out and brought in two grad transfers from low majors (Omaha and Longwood) to fill holes and depth. They have five tourney wins in three years (one over us as the 7 seed).
I'm not an advocate of filling the roster with transfers but a "plug holes with transfers" and we have some holes to fill.
That makes sense.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2025, 01:56:50 PM... and we have some holes
to fill.
Other than back up stretch 4, there really isn't.
Hamilton/Clark/Gold
Parham
Ross/Owens/Lowery/Miletic/Phillips/ Stevens
Jones/Parham/James
Now, you can argue that you do not trust freshmen or that too much growth and development may be required. But there are lots of bodies at 4 of the 5 positions.
So, two scholarships open and it appears Shaka is pursuing high schoolers.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 07, 2025, 01:54:31 PMDo those programs have the same roster-building strategy Shaka does?
That wasn't my question.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2025, 01:56:50 PMI won't look at Bucky but I'll show you MSU. One of two programs with us in 2023-24 who had not taken a transfer the prior year and hadn't taken a transfer since Joey in 2019 and Tyson Walker (Northeastern) in 2020-21. After a poor year by their standards (second round as a 9 seed, losing to 1 seed UNC) Izzo went out and brought in two grad transfers from low majors (Omaha and Longwood) to fill holes and depth. They have five tourney wins in three years (one over us as the 7 seed).
I'm not an advocate of filling the roster with transfers but a "plug holes with transfers" and we have some holes to fill.
Longwood can plug some holes
Quote from: Pakuni on April 07, 2025, 02:13:24 PMThat wasn't my question.
It's absolutely related to culture as for as Marquette goes. It's not complicated.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2025, 01:56:50 PMI won't look at Bucky but I'll show you MSU. One of two programs with us in 2023-24 who had not taken a transfer the prior year and hadn't taken a transfer since Joey in 2019 and Tyson Walker (Northeastern) in 2020-21. After a poor year by their standards (second round as a 9 seed, losing to 1 seed UNC) Izzo went out and brought in two grad transfers from low majors (Omaha and Longwood) to fill holes and depth. They have five tourney wins in three years (one over us as the 7 seed).
I'm not an advocate of filling the roster with transfers but a "plug holes with transfers" and we have some holes to fill.
And now a former 5 star recruit is leaving Izzo's program as well as his starting point guard. So again, some teams use the portal to add talent and end up losing talent to it, while Shaka appears to be prioritizing keeping the talent he already has in his program. Until it fails, I'm good with it.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2025, 02:26:48 PMAnd now a former 5 star recruit is leaving Izzo's program as well as his starting point guard. So again, some teams use the portal to add talent and end up losing talent to it, while Shaka appears to be prioritizing keeping the talent he already has in his program. Until it fails, I'm good with it.
Yeah, that's where the slippery slope part of it comes in.
I, for one, am in the camp of really liking recruit/develop/retain while also being willing to consider a transfer or two.
But let's say we decide we need to upgrade our frontcourt with a "banger." And let's say Parham views that as a negative to him staying at Marquette. Would it be worth it to lose Parham - and be viewed as having broken a "promise" to a highly regarded player - to rent a different player?
It's not easy-peasy, as some here seem to think: "Oh, just bring in somebody from the portal already. The Weasels are doing it!"
Now, I trust Shaka. I trust his ability to convince Parham that he's still a very valuable part of the program who can be on the court at the same time as the newcomer. And I trust that Shaka will only choose a transfer who will buy into his vision of our culture.
So I don't think it has to be either-or. I just think there's a lot more that goes into it than, "Use the portal, dammit!"
The portal giveth, the portal taketh.
https://x.com/portal_updates/status/1909351909502210262?t=knt4xcEm9oWzdGnKIe0cAQ&s=19
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 07, 2025, 04:14:20 PMThe portal giveth, the portal taketh.
https://x.com/portal_updates/status/1909351909502210262?t=knt4xcEm9oWzdGnKIe0cAQ&s=19
WTH? The guy was already what we hoped Ben Gold would be at NIU. Gard ruined him, clearly.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 07, 2025, 01:56:50 PMI won't look at Bucky but I'll show you MSU. One of two programs with us in 2023-24 who had not taken a transfer the prior year and hadn't taken a transfer since Joey in 2019 and Tyson Walker (Northeastern) in 2020-21. After a poor year by their standards (second round as a 9 seed, losing to 1 seed UNC) Izzo went out and brought in two grad transfers from low majors (Omaha and Longwood) to fill holes and depth. They have five tourney wins in three years (one over us as the 7 seed).
I'm not an advocate of filling the roster with transfers but a "plug holes with transfers" and we have some holes to fill.
I don't think you'll see many programs (Except those with a coaching change) that'll fill a roster exclusively with transfers. If you don't have good players coming in via high school recruiting, it is going to be awfully difficult to keep a competitive program year after year. Even transfer portal additions where players have an actual track record are hit or miss. Just look at Kansas this year. And who would have guessed Tonje would have been better than either Storr or Hepburn at Wisconsin.
Each offseason you have to find your balance between what your foundational players give you, and what you can find in the portal to complement that. You have to trust that your staff is able to identify the right players who fit the program and see how it plays out when they get on the floor together for the first time.
Shaka seems to be quite adept at identifying players that fit how he wants to play out of high school. He should be able to find those same types of players in the portal.
Quote from: MU82 on April 07, 2025, 04:08:04 PMYeah, that's where the slippery slope part of it comes in.
I, for one, am in the camp of really liking recruit/develop/retain while also being willing to consider a transfer or two.
But let's say we decide we need to upgrade our frontcourt with a "banger." And let's say Parham views that as a negative to him staying at Marquette. Would it be worth it to lose Parham - and be viewed as having broken a "promise" to a highly regarded player - to rent a different player?
It's not easy-peasy, as some here seem to think: "Oh, just bring in somebody from the portal already. The Weasels are doing it!"
Now, I trust Shaka. I trust his ability to convince Parham that he's still a very valuable part of the program who can be on the court at the same time as the newcomer. And I trust that Shaka will only choose a transfer who will buy into his vision of our culture.
So I don't think it has to be either-or. I just think there's a lot more that goes into it than, "Use the portal, dammit!"
Of course there's more that goes into it. That's where Shaka's relationships and team building mantra can work to his advantage. Given the success he had his first year it is surprising how anti-portal he seems now, at least publicly.
The players that left the program really had no role cut out for them and it was mutually beneficial to explore another option. So there hasn't been an instance of a transfer forcing a big difference-maker out yet. Rounding out the roster with more experience and talent can directly benefit the recruits when done properly, which Shaka has demonstrated he can do without issue so far.
If you listen to him, Shaka is not anti-portal. He is anti bringing in a player whose first goal is $$$ and/or paying that guy more than his returning players are making.
So sure, he can identify players he might want in the portal - any coach can. It's harder to find a guy who can be a major contributor but who isn't looking for major coin.
Folks keep noting that he used the portal in 2021, but the landscape was very different even those few years ago as it relates to $$$. Kolek and Morsell weren't transferring for money. It's really apples and oranges.
I an wondering about the strategy of going after more high school recruits in a class that's already 4 deep, plus Clark as a redshirt. If the past two get filled with HS seniors, that's a lot in the same class with no obvious redshirt candidates. I could see wisdom in getting a rising sophomore to balance the classes.
https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216 (https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216)
Gold is not a 5 physically! Counting on Hamilton and Clark to be viable big East bigs next year seems risky to me. Hope I am wrong!
Quote from: wadesworld on April 07, 2025, 04:21:39 PMThe guy was already what we hoped Ben Gold would be at NIU.
All UW jokes aside.
Gold was about the 70th best center last year. And is around the 40th best returning next year.
Quit saying centers from crap teams are better than him. (this isn't just you)
Quote from: jfp61 on April 07, 2025, 07:38:50 PMhttps://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216 (https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216)
Lot of talent leaving the Big East.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 07, 2025, 07:45:33 PMAll UW jokes aside.
Gold was about the 70th best center last year. And is around the 40th best returning next year.
Quit saying centers from crap teams are better than him. (this isn't just you)
There were 69 better centers?!?
Quote from: jfp61 on April 07, 2025, 07:45:33 PMAll UW jokes aside.
Gold was about the 70th best center last year. And is around the 40th best returning next year.
Quit saying centers from crap teams are better than him. (this isn't just you)
Given that there are 80 P4 + Big East programs, being the 70th best center is faint praise.
Anyone have any centers they'd like to see Shaka bring on?
Wow. Defense and rebounding travels. There's zero reason MU cannot find the right personnel and defend/glass clean at an elite level. Once you establish that, it opens up all sorts of possibilities.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 07, 2025, 08:19:18 PMWow. Defense and rebounding travels.
So does Condon.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 07, 2025, 07:38:50 PMhttps://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216 (https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216)
We are not worthy.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 07, 2025, 07:38:50 PMhttps://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216 (https://x.com/VerbalCommits/status/1907900903505445216)
Kendall Orange
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1909357897365995711?s=46&t=JpGJGF4HB4hL-rjDWHi4Gg (https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1909357897365995711?s=46&t=JpGJGF4HB4hL-rjDWHi4Gg)
I think MU was rumored to be involved with this guy in the transfer portal last offseason.
Hope Shaka is Not biting his nose to spite his face. Feel if there is a transfer out there that can help our team we should take him.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 08, 2025, 01:03:01 PMHope Shaka is biting his nose to spite his face. Feel if there is a transfer out there that can help our team we should take him.
Why do you want Shaka to bite his own nose?
I do admit, that would be a pretty neat trick though.
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 01:33:59 PMWhy do you want Shaka to bite his own nose?
I do admit, that would be a pretty neat trick though.
Not as crazy as the trick reeko can do
Quote from: jfp61 on April 07, 2025, 07:45:33 PMAll UW jokes aside.
Gold was about the 70th best center last year. And is around the 40th best returning next year.
Quit saying centers from crap teams are better than him. (this isn't just you)
70th best. That always gets fans excited.
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 01:33:59 PMWhy do you want Shaka to bite his own nose?
I do admit, that would be a pretty neat trick though.
Lol forgot to add is "Not" biting
After previously committing to Ole Miss Pop Issacs is off to Houston. I guess Uzan thinks hes going to the NBA after playing like crap the past few games
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1909774196038942966?t=RwKFtUPJPCkPBUQnryRA4A&s=19
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 07, 2025, 08:16:29 PMAnyone have any centers they'd like to see Shaka bring on?
Hakeem Olajuwon, C 7'
portal (timeline) 1983
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 08, 2025, 08:45:27 PMHakeem Olajuwon, C 7'
portal (timeline) 1983
We got him!
Joshua Clark Sharing the unique experience of playing high school basketball with the same team as Hakeem Olajuwon's sons:
"Hakeem comes to every game. He has two sons on our team right now, and he's been a big mentor to me. I worked with him, and he showed me simple things in the game that are not really hard, but you have to take the small details and apply them in games. He's really taught me a lot over the past two years, and he has been a great mentor to me."
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 08, 2025, 08:42:56 PMAfter previously committing to Ole Miss Pop Issacs is off to Houston. I guess Uzan thinks hes going to the NBA after playing like crap the past few games
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1909774196038942966?t=RwKFtUPJPCkPBUQnryRA4A&s=19
Who will ever forget Creighton's Pop Isaacs Era?
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 09:53:07 PMWho will ever forget Creighton's Pop Isaacs Era?
I've had soda pop that lasted longer.
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 01:33:59 PMWhy do you want Shaka to bite his own nose?
I do admit, that would be a pretty neat trick though.
70th best. That always gets fans excited.
Quote from: Spotcheck Billy on April 08, 2025, 10:21:48 PM70th best. That always gets fans excited.
Don't get excited about a bunch of trash worse than that.
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2025, 09:53:07 PMWho will ever forget Creighton's Pop Isaacs Era?
It's right up there with our Jose Perez era.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 08, 2025, 08:45:27 PMHakeem Olajuwon, C 7'
portal (timeline) 1983
Did anyone see the 30 for 30 that talked about how (then) Akeem ended up at Houston? He flew into JFK to enroll at St. John's, but someone forgot to pick him up. He had two other tickets to fly to Louisville or Houston. He asked a Nigerian baggage handler which place was warmer. The guy told him Houston and the rest is history.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 09, 2025, 09:54:49 AMDid anyone see the 30 for 30 that talked about how (then) Akeem ended up at Houston? He flew into JFK to enroll at St. John's, but someone forgot to pick him up. He had two other tickets to fly to Louisville or Houston. He asked a Nigerian baggage handler which place was warmer. The guy told him Houston and the rest is history.
Majerus fouled that one up
Did he accidentally catch Hakeem polishing his bayonet?
Nick Janowski of Pewaukee in portal now. Was recruited by Shaka. Redshirted this past season as a frosh. Former teammate of MilanMomcilovic. He is 6'4" and averaged 30.6 ppg as a HS senior. A very good shooter/scorer. Would be a nice get for MU. Will he end up with TJ at ISU?
Quote from: PJDunn on April 09, 2025, 10:52:12 AMDid he accidentally catch Hakeem polishing his bayonet?
There's gotta be a story here that I haven't heard. Please share...
Scooter McCray
Is that why we lost Scooter and Rodney McCray to Louisville?
https://x.com/KendallBlue9/status/1910016949289115711?t=SXOaiUSICTpT9D8UIYIIQA&s=19
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2025, 05:21:09 PMGuess we'll have to settle for Isaac or Jacob.
Maybe Cain if he is Abel?
Quote from: augoman on April 09, 2025, 01:55:50 PMIs that why we lost Scooter and Rodney McCray to Louisville?
Not sure what Rick thought about that, but not getting the McCrays was the start of the downfall of the program in the 80's.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 09, 2025, 04:45:24 PMNot sure what Rick thought about that, but not getting the McCrays was the start of the downfall of the program in the 80's.
That was a sticky situation - from what I've heard. Through no fault of Big Rick, things became awkward after Majerus popped in unannounced for a home visit. McCrays went to UofL, and the rest is history.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 09, 2025, 12:18:10 PMNick Janowski of Pewaukee in portal now. Was recruited by Shaka. Redshirted this past season as a frosh. Former teammate of MilanMomcilovic. He is 6'4" and averaged 30.6 ppg as a HS senior. A very good shooter/scorer. Would be a nice get for MU. Will he end up with TJ at ISU?
I know nothing about this kid and I know nothing about what Shaka is thinking re the two openings on the roster. But I could see Shaka going for a more under-the-radar guy who still has lots of eligibility left, who wouldn't cost a ton, who can fill a specific need (3-point shooting in this case), and who wants to fit in with a program like ours.
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 09, 2025, 05:21:07 PMThat was a sticky situation - from what I've heard. Through no fault of Big Rick, things became awkward after Majerus popped in unannounced for a home visit. McCrays went to UofL, and the rest is history.
Raymonds dropped that ball.
Quote from: MU82 on April 09, 2025, 05:49:55 PMI know nothing about this kid and I know nothing about what Shaka is thinking re the two openings on the roster. But I could see Shaka going for a more under-the-radar guy who still has lots of eligibility left, who wouldn't cost a ton, who can fill a specific need (3-point shooting in this case), and who wants to fit in with a program like ours.
I basically get 100% of my recruiting news from MUscoop. From what I have read here Shaka promises his players and the players he is recruiting that he is about development and will not use the portal to bring in players over them. Assuming this is the case, he is not going to go after a player in the portal. It would make him a liar and would have negative effect on his recruiting efforts for next year.
There also is no need to have all 15 scholarships filled.
Quote from: bilsu on April 09, 2025, 07:21:55 PMI basically get 100% of my recruiting news from MUscoop. From what I have read here Shaka promises his players and the players he is recruiting that he is about development and will not use the portal to bring in players over them. Assuming this is the case, he is not going to go after a player in the portal. It would make him a liar and would have negative effect on his recruiting efforts for next year.
I'm not sure your assumptions are correct.
Quote from: bilsu on April 09, 2025, 07:21:55 PMI basically get 100% of my recruiting news from MUscoop. From what I have read here Shaka promises his players and the players he is recruiting that he is about development and will not use the portal to bring in players over them. Assuming this is the case, he is not going to go after a player in the portal. It would make him a liar and would have negative effect on his recruiting efforts for next year.
There also is no need to have all 15 scholarships filled.
He has talked to at least 1 transfer each year.
It doesn't work out because transfers don't want to be bench players at our school, which is fine.
Quote from: bilsu on April 09, 2025, 07:21:55 PMFrom what I have read here Shaka promises his players and the players he is recruiting that he is about development and will not use the portal to bring in players over them. Assuming this is the case, he is not going to go after a player in the portal. It would make him a liar and would have negative effect on his recruiting efforts for next year.
There also is no need to have all 15 scholarships filled.
You are absolutely incorrect. Bizarro.
bilsu is a big fan of Porter Moser, who has used the portal brilliantly to build teams that have won 3 straight national titles at Oklahoma.
https://dictatethepace.substack.com/p/very-early-portal-thoughts?r=3c83m
QuoteToo Many Open High-Major Spots and Not Enough Players
A rudimentary, middle school-level supply and demand problem. The long-anticipated matriculation of many of the 5th/6th year geriatrics out of college basketball and into the workforce has predictably resulted in a de facto short squeeze. Developmentally maxed-out mid-major players who wouldn't have sniffed a high-major rotation spot last year are now being signed to lucrative deals to be 3rd/4th options for Power 4 teams. The second-order effect here — and this is merely a working hypothesis — is that the Tier 1/Elite teams (say, the top 5-8) will be somewhat down from last season's extraordinary heights, while the Tier 2/Tier 3 teams (10 through 40 ish) will be way down. While Louisville and Vanderbilt were able to build Tournament-level rosters last year strictly utilizing the Portal, such a task is significantly more difficult this season (as Baylor is likely to find out) due to the paucity of P4-caliber players available in the Portal. There's no margin for error for these "build your roster from scratch" teams. Every "get" has to hit (or at least not completely flop).
Maybe Shaka is on to something. The crux of this seems to be that everyone is competing for the same mid major players.
Amadou and Itejere were snapped up by the A-10. Could it be there just aren't that many upgrades out there now that the COVID year is done?
Though later in the article, the author name drops Shaka and says that not using the portal is a ceiling capper.
Quote from: tower912 on April 17, 2025, 09:27:52 AMMaybe Shaka is on to something. The crux of this seems to be that everyone is competing for the same mid major players.
Amadou and Itejere were snapped up by the A-10. Could it be there just aren't that many upgrades out there now that the COVID year is done?
Though later in the article, the author name drops Shaka and says that not using the portal is a ceiling capper.
McGuire and Buzz used JC transfers to fill holes. While I admire Shaka for what he wants to do, I do think not taking transfers is a ceiling capper. However, on the other hand he does not lose good players to the portal. Wisconsin goes to the portal but also loses players. One coach takes the long-term view, and the other coach takes the short-term view.
" One coach takes the long-term view, and the other coach takes the short-term view."
And yet neither one has had any significant tourney success.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 17, 2025, 11:04:41 AM" One coach takes the long-term view, and the other coach takes the short-term view."
And yet neither one has had any significant tourney success.
Well, if you don't count a Final Four as "significant tourney success," sure.
Relationship building in the portal....... 8-)
https://x.com/coachjack212/status/1912471238775091529?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Scott Drew will have to be Mr. Transfer Portal after Baylor lost ALL 14 of its players from this past season's team - 4 to graduation, 1 to pro hoops and 9 to the portal.
A few Scoopers are jealous of his good fortune.
Chad Baker Mazara gonna be homeless at 30 book it
Quote from: MU82 on April 17, 2025, 11:40:24 AMScott Drew will have to be Mr. Transfer Portal after Baylor lost ALL 14 of its players from this past season's team - 4 to graduation, 1 to pro hoops and 9 to the portal.
A few Scoopers are jealous of his good fortune.
IU, also.
I am getting enjoyment out of all these middling Big East fanbases clowning Shaka and Marquette for their portal strategy. For most of them, the offseason is the only time they can get their shots in.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 17, 2025, 11:16:45 AMWell, if you don't count a Final Four as "significant tourney success," sure.
First, while Shaka made a Final Four, and that'll never be taken away from him and he gets all the credit any coach should get for it, there hasn't been any significant tourney success for Shaka since then. It is a legitimate criticism of him since that run, as I think he's gotten his teams out of the first weekend once since then. That includes being the coach at 2 very well resourced programs, including Texas, which is better resourced than any athletics department in the country. At MU, he has underperformed his seed every year and his 3 best teams all lost to double-digit seeds.
Second, how is a Final Four 15 years ago relevant to the discussion about the transfer portal and NIL? Back in the pre-NIL era, there were a ton of coaches who would have taken a long-term view of roster building. Greg Gard would probably still be building a roster the way Bo Ryan did, and the way Shaka is. Jay Wright may still be at Villanova. Maybe Coach K would still be paying off officials at Duke. But, that isn't the reality anyone's living in anymore.
The transfer portal is not a panacea. But, players are professionals now who can come and go as they please. Take care of the guys you recruited and have become cornerstone players. Those who don't pan out, let them go and find the right level for their talents. Then go out and get other players from other programs, and often lower levels, who appear talented enough to move up in competition and complement the guys already in your program. It makes a coaches job a bigger pain in the ass with no down time. But, that's the profession they continue to choose.
Quote from: Nutty on April 17, 2025, 12:30:00 PMFirst, while Shaka made a Final Four, and that'll never be taken away from him and he gets all the credit any coach should get for it, there hasn't been any significant tourney success for Shaka since then. It is a legitimate criticism of him since that run, as I think he's gotten his teams out of the first weekend once since then. That includes being the coach at 2 very well resourced programs, including Texas, which is better resourced than any athletics department in the country. At MU, he has underperformed his seed every year and his 3 best teams all lost to double-digit seeds.
Second, how is a Final Four 15 years ago relevant to the discussion about the transfer portal and NIL? Back in the pre-NIL era, there were a ton of coaches who would have taken a long-term view of roster building. Greg Gard would probably still be building a roster the way Bo Ryan did, and the way Shaka is. Jay Wright may still be at Villanova. Maybe Coach K would still be paying off officials at Duke. But, that isn't the reality anyone's living in anymore.
The transfer portal is not a panacea. But, players are professionals now who can come and go as they please. Take care of the guys you recruited and have become cornerstone players. Those who don't pan out, let them go and find the right level for their talents. Then go out and get other players from other programs, and often lower levels, who appear talented enough to move up in competition and complement the guys already in your program. It makes a coaches job a bigger pain in the ass with no down time. But, that's the profession they continue to choose.
Lots of words when simply saying "the OP was wrong" would have sufficed.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 17, 2025, 12:31:37 PMLots of words when simply saying "the OP was wrong" would have sufficed.
Where is the fun in that?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 17, 2025, 11:16:45 AMWell, if you don't count a Final Four as "significant tourney success," sure.
In current NIL and portal times....
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 17, 2025, 01:47:05 PMIn current NIL and portal times....
Okay, so he hasn't had "significant NCAA Tournament success" since NIL was passed. That's been a whopping 3 college basketball seasons, of which he's made a Sweet 16.
Marquette has advanced beyond that point 7 times in the history of the program. I hate to break it to Marquette fans, but we shouldn't be a fanbase to turn our nose up at a Sweet 16 appearance. We have 6, including 1 from Shaka, since the 1979-1980 season. An average of one every 7.5 years. Shaka has one in three since NIL became a thing.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 17, 2025, 01:51:23 PMOkay, so he hasn't had "significant NCAA Tournament success" since NIL was passed. That's been a whopping 3 college basketball seasons, of which he's made a Sweet 16.
Marquette has advanced beyond that point 7 times in the history of the program. I hate to break it to Marquette fans, but we shouldn't be a fanbase to turn our nose up at a Sweet 16 appearance. We have 6, including 1 from Shaka, since the 1979-1980 season. An average of one every 7.5 years. Shaka has one in three since NIL became a thing.
He owes Point Warrior more success
Quote from: wadesworld on April 17, 2025, 01:51:23 PMOkay, so he hasn't had "significant NCAA Tournament success" since NIL was passed. That's been a whopping 3 college basketball seasons, of which he's made a Sweet 16.
Marquette has advanced beyond that point 7 times in the history of the program. I hate to break it to Marquette fans, but we shouldn't be a fanbase to turn our nose up at a Sweet 16 appearance. We have 6, including 1 from Shaka, since the 1979-1980 season. An average of one every 7.5 years. Shaka has one in three since NIL became a thing.
cool, I won't expect another sweet 16 from Shaka for 4.5 more years then...
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 17, 2025, 02:00:09 PMcool, I won't expect another sweet 16 from Shaka for 4.5 more years then...
Hope and expect are different things.
I hope I'll go home tonight and my daughter will start walking or talking, she hasn't done so though so what right would I have to expect it?
If you expect something that hasn't happened with regularity then your expectations aren't reasonable. I hope Shaka gets us there after next year but yeah given our second weekends look like this since Al's guys stopped playing:
94....... 2003.......2011 (which we were the underdog) 2012 2013....... 2024
Then it's ridiculous to put your nose in the air and say "he's just meeting program expectations"
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 17, 2025, 05:01:10 PMHope and expect are different things.
I hope I'll go home tonight and my daughter will start walking or talking, she hasn't done so though so what right would I have to expect it?
If you expect something that hasn't happened with regularity then your expectations aren't reasonable. I hope Shaka gets us there after next year but yeah given our second weekends look like this since Al's guys stopped playing:
94....... 2003.......2011 (which we were the underdog) 2012 2013....... 2024
Then it's ridiculous to put your nose in the air and say "he's just meeting program expectations"
COLE has not disappeared from the board.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 17, 2025, 05:01:10 PMHope and expect are different things.
I hope I'll go home tonight and my daughter will start walking or talking, she hasn't done so though so what right would I have to expect it?
If you expect something that hasn't happened with regularity then your expectations aren't reasonable. I hope Shaka gets us there after next year but yeah given our second weekends look like this since Al's guys stopped playing:
94....... 2003.......2011 (which we were the underdog) 2012 2013....... 2024
Then it's ridiculous to put your nose in the air and say "he's just meeting program expectations"
I don't count Sweet 16's until the tourney expanded to 64. I might give you 32 teams but Sweet 16's before 1975 when the tourney maxed out at 25? Nah
I just hope we can have the same
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 17, 2025, 05:31:33 PMCOLE has not disappeared from the board.
I mean, you're among the Scoopers hoping we can copy Greg Gard's blueprint for his amazing NCAA Tournament success in the NIL/portal era.
Hoping that Shaka builds a team capable of a solitary first-round win over a 14-seed - take that, Montana! - isn't COLE at all.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2025, 05:33:29 PMI don't count Sweet 16's until the tourney expanded to 64. I might give you 32 teams but Sweet 16's before 1975 when the tourney maxed out at 25? Nah
They were just the subjectively the best 16 teams in America. I agree they may not have objectively earned it but they must have been pretty damn good.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on April 17, 2025, 07:23:47 PMThey were just the subjectively the best 16 teams in America. I agree they may not have objectively earned it but they must have been pretty damn good.
One conference champ and some independents. Nope
I love me some Rico. But i disagree that it wasn't an accomplishment.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on April 17, 2025, 07:30:56 PMI love me some Rico. But i disagree that it wasn't an accomplishment.
Too many teams got left out.
I get your point.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 17, 2025, 05:31:33 PMCOLE has not disappeared from the board.
You're right, I expect a championship every year. Now you're the COLE
Quote from: MU82 on April 17, 2025, 06:08:42 PMI just hope we can have the same
I mean, you're among the Scoopers hoping we can copy Greg Gard's blueprint for his amazing NCAA Tournament success in the NIL/portal era.
Hoping that Shaka builds a team capable of a solitary first-round win over a 14-seed - take that, Montana! - isn't COLE at all.
Nah, Gard is not having NCAA success either - I posted that above.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 17, 2025, 08:34:40 PMNah, Gard is not having NCAA success either - I posted that above.
Oh, I thought you were one of the folks who screams about Shaka's abject failure as a coach every time Gard lands a portal superstar.
1,000 apologies if I got that wrong.
An incredibly boring portal season is a good one for Shaka and Co.
So far so good!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 17, 2025, 11:50:16 PMAn incredibly boring portal season is a good one for Shaka and Co.
So far so good!
Yes. Inactivity in the portal is always a good sign, especially since the cupboard is so packed.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 18, 2025, 03:47:59 AMYes. Inactivity in the portal is always a good sign, especially since the cupboard is so packed.
Glad you agree
CBS Big Board of Transfers:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2025-inside-indianas-monster-two-days-in-portal-combat/
Pitino loses another one to the portal, that backcourt is looking very thin.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 18, 2025, 08:15:45 AMPitino loses another one to the portal, that backcourt is looking very thin.
Huh.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 18, 2025, 08:15:45 AMPitino loses another one to the portal, that backcourt is looking very thin.
Adapt or die
Guys. Pitino won the BE regular season and tournament title and was a 2 seed in year 2. Even with a second round loss to a 10 seed, we could only dream Shaka could have that type of success. He's only recruiting portal guys. Pitino gets it.
Yep. Winning the Big East title in season 2 and getting a 2 seed is quite an accomplishment. Something to aspire to and be proud of.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 18, 2025, 08:15:45 AMPitino loses another one to the portal, that backcourt is looking very thin.
Nah, they use the portal and have a huge NIL fund. We can just put it in ink that they're going to win the BEAST every year and get a protected seed.
right guys?
Quote from: tower912 on April 18, 2025, 08:34:10 AMYep. Winning the Big East title in season 2 an getting a 2 seed is quite an accomplishment. Something to aspire to and be proud of.
I'm not sure we will ever get there with Shaka.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 18, 2025, 08:45:41 AMNah, they use the portal and have a huge NIL fund. We can just put it in ink that they're going to win the BEAST every year and get a protected seed.
right guys?
Adapt or die
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 18, 2025, 08:45:41 AMNah, they use the portal and have a huge NIL fund. We can just put it in ink that they're going to win the BEAST every year and get a protected seed.
right guys?
Creighton right there.
Daniel Freitag, ex-Badger, transfers to mid-major Buffalo. Guess he was just overrated.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 18, 2025, 10:01:42 AMDaniel Freitag, ex-Badger, transfers to mid-major Buffalo. Guess he was just overrated.
But I was told he was Devin Harris 2.0!!
Badgers get one recruit with decent athleticism and fans automatically assume he'll be a lotto pick. Gotta love that fanbase.
Not sure I see how St. Johns can consider this offseason a success.
Lost Wilcher, Luis, Glover, and others.
They'll still be good, but you need some continuity to win a Title and they'll be brand new for the most part.
Quote from: JTJ3 on April 18, 2025, 10:36:03 AMBut I was told he was Devin Harris 2.0!!
Badgers get one recruit with decent athleticism and fans automatically assume he'll be a lotto pick. Gotta love that fanbase.
I'm all for making fun of UW's fans base but let's not forget that people on here thought Haanif Cheatham was going to be going pro early after his freshman year...
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 18, 2025, 11:10:40 AMI'm all for making fun of UW's fans base but let's not forget that people on here thought Haanif Cheatham was going to be going pro early after his freshman year...
And that posters here dismissed OMax, Oso, and TKo way too early.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 18, 2025, 11:10:40 AMI'm all for making fun of UW's fans base but let's not forget that people on here thought Haanif Cheatham was going to be going pro early after his freshman year...
That Drake friendship hasn't aged gracefully either.
https://x.com/CBB_Central/status/1913262882151678256?t=B6g0yoBbGWZkW5WdeVBc2A&s=19
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 18, 2025, 11:10:40 AMI'm all for making fun of UW's fans base but let's not forget that people on here thought Haanif Cheatham was going to be going pro early after his freshman year...
Oh I know, I totally agree. Every fanbase does it.
Just like to poke fun at the Badgers and their fans when I can.
I am very intrigued to observe the continuity vs patchwork program structures this year post-covid year. Should be fun.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 18, 2025, 07:22:17 AMCBS Big Board of Transfers:
https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-transfer-rankings-2025-inside-indianas-monster-two-days-in-portal-combat/
Looks like Mark Cuban is spending his money on Indiana Football and Indiana Basketball
Quote from: JTJ3 on April 18, 2025, 10:36:03 AMBut I was told he was Devin Harris 2.0!!
Badgers get one recruit with decent athleticism and fans automatically assume he'll be a lotto pick. Gotta love that fanbase.
Freitag is nice tbh. Might be a Gard thing. Can't wait for the red tears to fall.
Is Rothstein this out of touch or just stupid?
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1912981446492369344?t=i3HIxAAC-xZHWNshNuoLcg&s=19
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 18, 2025, 02:20:42 PMIs Rothstein this out of touch or just stupid?
https://x.com/JonRothstein/status/1912981446492369344?t=i3HIxAAC-xZHWNshNuoLcg&s=19
Yes
Darius Adams, a top 25-30'ish recruit, decommitted from UConn.
You have to imagine NIL and the portal (in terms of UConn using it) was a factor in that decision.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 19, 2025, 07:04:02 PMDarius Adams, a top 25-30'ish recruit, decommitted from UConn.
You have to imagine NIL and the portal (in terms of UConn using it) was a factor in that decision.
Suspect the portal is the big part. Adams is watching what Abrahams and others are experiencing relative to that at UConn.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 19, 2025, 07:04:02 PMDarius Adams, a top 25-30'ish recruit, decommitted from UConn.
You have to imagine NIL and the portal (in terms of UConn using it) was a factor in that decision.
I think it has a lot more to do with Solo Ball returning.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on April 19, 2025, 08:40:12 PMI think it has a lot more to do with Solo Ball returning.
Ball is part of it for sure, but bringing in two guard transfers certainly didn't help.
He was the worst of their three incoming 5star frosh. UConn will be just fine
And the portal goes round and round.....round and round.....round and round......
https://x.com/duncpowell_/status/1913729561235538145?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 19, 2025, 07:04:02 PMDarius Adams, a top 25-30'ish recruit, decommitted from UConn.
You have to imagine NIL and the portal (in terms of UConn using it) was a factor in that decision.
So UConn loses a Top 25 transfer. Dain Dainja's agency tried putting him in the portal to make more money for themselves, Haggerty asking for $4 million, and people still want Shaka to deal with all that.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 10:32:03 AMSo UConn loses a Top 25 transfer. Dain Dainja's agency tried putting him in the portal to make more money for themselves, Haggerty asking for $4 million, and people still want Shaka to deal with all that.
System is broke it's ridiculous. A coach and assistants can work there ass off trying to get a kid, then a month before signing they can drop a bigger bag, sad
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 10:32:03 AMSo UConn loses a Top 25 transfer. Dain Dainja's agency tried putting him in the portal to make more money for themselves, Haggerty asking for $4 million, and people still want Shaka to deal with all that.
Shaka already has been dealing with all that. He deals with it by doing what's necessary to retain the players he and his assistants have developed, fending off poaching attempts by other coaches.
Each member of the top-15 incoming class has cited Shaka's recruit/develop/retain philosophy as a major reason he picked Marquette.
Not only hasn't Shaka lost any rotation players to the portal, he hasn't had any recruit decommit and go elsewhere.
In the process, his teams have comfortably made the NCAA Tournament every year, have won a Big East title and a BET title, and have made a second-weekend NCAAT appearance.
It's fair to wonder if Shaka should have at least brought in a supporting-cast player or two through the portal, and it's fair that fans always want even more on-court success.
But overall, what Shaka has accomplished in this era has been quite remarkable.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 20, 2025, 10:38:55 AMSystem is broke it's ridiculous. A coach and assistants can work there ass off trying to get a kid, then a month before signing they can drop a bigger bag, sad
It happened before. Now it is overt.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 10:32:03 AMSo UConn loses a Top 25 transfer. Dain Dainja's agency tried putting him in the portal to make more money for themselves, Haggerty asking for $4 million, and people still want Shaka to deal with all that.
Yes, find a guard at a mid major better than what we have on the roster. And i guarantee you, it is possible for 500k
And we have circled back to the beginning. Shaka has said multiple times that he would rather retain and develop instead of dropping a bag on a 17 ppg scorer from the Horizon league. So, sure, it is possible. But unlikely.
Quote from: tower912 on April 20, 2025, 11:19:51 AMAnd we have circled back to the beginning. Shaka has said multiple times that he would rather retain and develop instead of dropping a bag on a 17 ppg scorer from the Horizon league. So, sure, it is possible. But unlikely.
I have an infinite more confidence in Chase Ross being that guy over some rando from a mid major.
Wondered how it would work long-term but I am totally bought in and love what Shaka is doing. It is sustainable.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 11:24:26 AMI have an infinite more amount of Chase Ross being that guy over some rando from a mid major.
Yea, when I was talking about our guards not being good enough next year, I was clearly referring to Chase Ross.
Not the 5'9" guard with a degenerative injury, or the guard with a 10% usage rate who looks lost on the court at times, or the shooting guard version of Derrick Wilson.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 11:29:14 AMYea, when I was talking about our guards not being good enough next year, I was clearly referring to Chase Ross.
Not the 5'9" guard with a degenerative injury, or the guard with a 10% usage rate who looks lost on the court at times, or the shooting guard version of Derrick Wilson.
Easter Day jokes eh?
He is Risen and perhaps so will they! Or perhaps not...
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 11:29:14 AMYea, when I was talking about our guards not being good enough next year, I was clearly referring to Chase Ross.
Not the 5'9" guard with a degenerative injury, or the guard with a 10% usage rate who looks lost on the court at times, or the shooting guard version of Derrick Wilson.
Sean Jones
Chase Ross
Zaide Lowery
Will be an awesome back court. We'll see how their backups look.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 11:46:43 AMSean Jones
Chase Ross
Zaide Lowery
Will be an awesome back court. We'll see how their backups look.
Sean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.
I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:09:38 PMSean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.
I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.
All your data based off +- stats or other stats too?
If so, will you at least acknowledge that theirs is somewhat skewed because of playing many of those possessions with backups?
You make these assertions quite confidently, and I always appreciate a differing perspective than the herd, but most here seem to see something in Zaide especially that you don't.
I don't considerate mean spirited when it's data driven and not an attack, as long as we take the data for what it is.
The eye test, some of the best data out there, screams that Zaide seems to be primed to make a big leap.
As for SJ22, he was one of the guys I rooted for the most before his injury, and he handled the rehab/off the court stuff way better than anyone could hope so he's easy to pull for. That doesn't mean he will be a good/great BE guard because who knows the effect that injury will have. We won't know until the ball is tipped
Zaire Lowery
Freshman year
ortg 94
Efg% 41.8
Defensive rebound rate 11.7
Turnover rate 16.8
Blk % 1.2
Assist rate 4.5
Steal% 1.8
2 point pct 35%
3 point pct 31%
Sophomore season
Ortg 119
Efg% 57.4
Def reb rate 17.7
Turnover rate 10.3
Assist rate 2.4
Steal.pct 2.5
2 pt fg pct 58.7
3pt pct 37.5
Blk rate .5 %
Yes his usage is low but pct of shots went up from 10.9 his first year to 13.5 his 2nd.
Outside of his free throw rate and block rate every stat was either similar or improved......exactly the kind of progress you would want to see.
Although he played fewer minutes his sophomore stats compare very favorably with Chase's sophomore stats.
Growth isn't linear so we will see how it goes this season but fans that dismiss him are ignoring our recent history.
Kam got better........Stevie got better.......Chase got better........
Quote from: MuMark on April 20, 2025, 12:31:44 PMZaire Lowery
Freshman year
ortg 94
Efg% 41.8
Defensive rebound rate 11.7
Turnover rate 16.8
Blk % 1.2
Assist rate 4.5
Steal% 1.8
2 point pct 35%
3 point pct 31%
Sophomore season
Ortg 119
Efg% 57.4
Def reb rate 17.7
Turnover rate 10.3
Assist rate 2.4
Steal.pct 2.5
2 pt fg pct 58.7
3pt pct 37.5
Blk rate .5 %
Yes his usage is low but pct of shots went up from 10.9 his first year to 13.5 his 2nd.
Outside of his free throw rate and block rate every stat was either similar or improved......exactly the kind of progress you would want to see.
Although he played fewer minutes his sophomore stats compare very favorably with Chase's sophomore stats.
Growth isn't linear so we will see how it goes this season but fans that dismiss him are ignoring our recent history.
Kam got better........Stevie got better.......Chase got better........
Feelings don't care about facts
Objective facts are no match for the Scoop scouting report.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:09:38 PMSean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.
I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.
If you're not optimistic about what Zaide can potentially bring this upcoming season I'm not sure what you were watching.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 20, 2025, 12:22:04 PMAll your data based off +- stats or other stats too?
If so, will you at least acknowledge that theirs is somewhat skewed because of playing many of those possessions with backups?
You make these assertions quite confidently, and I always appreciate a differing perspective than the herd, but most here seem to see something in Zaide especially that you don't.
I don't considerate mean spirited when it's data driven and not an attack, as long as we take the data for what it is.
The eye test, some of the best data out there, screams that Zaide seems to be primed to make a big leap.
As for SJ22, he was one of the guys I rooted for the most before his injury, and he handled the rehab/off the court stuff way better than anyone could hope so he's easy to pull for. That doesn't mean he will be a good/great BE guard because who knows the effect that injury will have. We won't know until the ball is tipped
Keeping it short.
Zaide.
Offense. Shoots fine on limited usage. Zero creativity in the half court. Second lowest creativity to Tre. Low usage rate appears to be because of turnover issues in the half court.(dates back to high school). Close to Heldt at the guard than Jimmy B.
Defense. Loses man frequently. Has all the traits you'd need but doesn't put it together. Feels like Elliot with more traits. No clear improvement from year one to year two on this end of the court like we saw with Kam. Worst non-freshman as a defender last year.
As for Sean. If you are short, and you can't shoot the cover off of the ball or create at a high level, you just don't make it at this level. And his trait to do it was his pace, and since he tore his ACL and hasn't played for a year.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:52:46 PMKeeping it short.
Zaide.
Offense. Shoots fine on limited usage. Zero creativity in the half court. Second lowest creativity to Tre. Low usage rate appears to be because of turnover issues in the half court.(dates back to high school). Close to Heldt at the guard than Jimmy B.
Defense. Loses man frequently. Has all the traits you'd need but doesn't put it together. Feels like Elliot with more traits. No clear improvement from year one to year two on this end of the court like we saw with Kam. Worst non-freshman as a defender last year.
As I said...
Quote from: The Sultan on April 20, 2025, 12:48:40 PMObjective facts are no match for the Scoop scouting report.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:57:24 PMI was asked not to use stats
Convenient for you. Why use facts when we can get your scouting report?
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:52:46 PMKeeping it short.
Zaide.
Offense. Shoots fine on limited usage. Zero creativity in the half court. Second lowest creativity to Tre. Low usage rate appears to be because of turnover issues in the half court.(dates back to high school). Close to Heldt at the guard than Jimmy B.
Defense. Loses man frequently. Has all the traits you'd need but doesn't put it together. Feels like Elliot with more traits. No clear improvement from year one to year two on this end of the court like we saw with Kam. Worst non-freshman as a defender last year.
LOL
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:09:38 PMSean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.
I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.
There actually are numerous signs that they could be good.
Before he got hurt, Sean Jones flat-out won games for us in 2023 against high-level competition - including the then-#1 team in the country. A good argument can be made that being a key contributor to victories over Kansas, Creighton, UCLA and Illinois is a pretty positive "sign."
Zaide Lowery improved considerably as a sophomore, especially after he was fully healthy and his playing time increased. One could argue that shooting .545 from 3 while averaging 6 points in 16 mpg over a two-month stretch, with only 2 turnovers in those 14 games, is a pretty positive "sign."
You are allowed to have an
opinion that neither will prove to be a good basketball player for Marquette for whatever reasons you want to cite. But to say there is "no sign" - as if it's a fact - means you're just willing to be wrong in a poor attempt at making a point.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:52:46 PMKeeping it short.
Zaide.
Defense. Loses man frequently. Has all the traits you'd need but doesn't put it together. Feels like Elliot with more traits. No clear improvement from year one to year two on this end of the court like we saw with Kam. Worst non-freshman as a defender last year.
I missed this.
What I saw was a very capable and able/active defender, that rebounded well and set a tone with his presence.
Making some shots was just an add-on that I wasn't expecting, but as many have said his form looks very good and repeatable. I would argue that his shooting success in years 3/4 depends more on what's in between the ears/confidence than the form and ability.
As for the disagreement on the defensive end- I'll defer to Shaka who, when Zaide seemed healthy, inserted him into the lineup as a defensive presence.
I agree with the turnovers and ability to distribute- I don't think this will ever be one of his strengths. I think he will be a slasher/shooter/rebounder that uses his athletic gifts to excel on the defensive end and create a lot of EGBs on the offensive end.
As a caveat- I think we need to be careful with this "all-purpose and well-rounded" guard type that Shaka has tried to make, and succeeded for the most part, with TyKo and Kam.
Those guys had ELITE skills.
It's more likely that future teams will have guys that excel at certain things, and others that pick up the remaining facets offensively.
Defensively, hopefully most are net positives rather than negatives.
I worry about the smaller size PGs but Shaka doesn't, so I'm fine with it and we will see how it plays out
I mean, Lowery had 10 turnovers all last season - including only 4 after Dec. 1, when Shaka started playing him 15-20 minutes in most games. He had zero TOs in 24 of the 31 games he played.
We need more "turnover-prone" players like that.
Quote from: MU82 on April 20, 2025, 01:14:30 PMI mean, Lowery had 10 turnovers all last season - including only 4 after Dec. 1, when Shaka started playing him 15-20 minutes in most games. He had zero TOs in 24 of the 31 games he played.
We need more "turnover-prone" players like that.
It's because he has a usage rate closer to our Shaka smart than Kam.
Quote from: MuMark on April 20, 2025, 12:31:44 PMZaire Lowery
Freshman year
ortg 94
Efg% 41.8
Defensive rebound rate 11.7
Turnover rate 16.8
Blk % 1.2
Assist rate 4.5
Steal% 1.8
2 point pct 35%
3 point pct 31%
Sophomore season
Ortg 119
Efg% 57.4
Def reb rate 17.7
Turnover rate 10.3
Assist rate 2.4
Steal.pct 2.5
2 pt fg pct 58.7
3pt pct 37.5
Blk rate .5 %
Yes his usage is low but pct of shots went up from 10.9 his first year to 13.5 his 2nd.
Outside of his free throw rate and block rate every stat was either similar or improved......exactly the kind of progress you would want to see.
Although he played fewer minutes his sophomore stats compare very favorably with Chase's sophomore stats.
Growth isn't linear so we will see how it goes this season but fans that dismiss him are ignoring our recent history.
Kam got better........Stevie got better.......Chase got better........
Defense no matta
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 11:29:14 AMYea, when I was talking about our guards not being good enough next year, I was clearly referring to Chase Ross.
Not the 5'9" guard with a degenerative injury, or the guard with a 10% usage rate who looks lost on the court at times, or the shooting guard version of Derrick Wilson.
What on earth is "degenerative" about an ACL tear?
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on April 20, 2025, 01:34:13 PMWhat on earth is "degenerative" about an ACL tear?
Would you rather me say "typically degenerative"?
Typically when you tear an acl. You don't run faster. You lose function.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 01:29:30 PMDefense no matta
Which isn't going to be an issue for Zaide
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 20, 2025, 01:48:06 PMWhich isn't going to be an issue for Zaide
I prefer good defenders to "defend good"
Not worse than kam did as a sophomore, despite having more traits to be able to defend.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 01:56:34 PMI prefer good defenders to "defend good"
Not worse than kam did as a sophomore, despite having more traits to be able to defend.
He will be fine defensively.
Zaide has registered a block in fewer than 5% of the games he's played in. Amazing.
#BlockRate #Tiny
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 01:46:59 PMWould you rather me say "typically degenerative"?
Typically when you tear an acl. You don't run faster. You lose function.
It's not 1920.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 12:09:38 PMSean and Zaide arn't that good. And there is no sign they will be good without blind faith.
I can go into further details but it feels mean spirted. We have 1100+ possessions of evidence for each them.
Zaide is the best rebounder and possibly defender on the team and also lead the team in 3 point shooting?
Chase is the best defender and probably should be again, but Zaide will be in the conversation. To illustrate that Zaide was the most efficient 3 point shooter and best rebounder on the roster, see below.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 02:26:46 PMChase is the best defender and probably should be again, but Zaide will be in the conversation. To illustrate that Zaide was the most efficient 3 point shooter and best rebounder on the roster, see below.
Defensive box is just defensive counting stats.
Not how frequently you get burned
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 20, 2025, 01:59:53 PMZaide has registered a block in fewer than 5% of the games he's played in. Amazing.
#BlockRate #Tiny
Sounds like a future Dallas Mavericks first-round draft pick.
#Z2NBA
Quote from: MU82 on April 20, 2025, 02:33:05 PMSounds like a future Dallas Mavericks first-round draft pick.
#Z2NBA
Zaide has a chance to be a very defender. Progress isn't linear. A healthy off-season and fall will go a long way in helping Zaide reach his full potential which is quite high. It's laughable to think he won't be a better overall player in year 3.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 01:46:59 PMWould you rather me say "typically degenerative"?
Typically when you tear an acl. You don't run faster. You lose function.
Hundreds of high-level athletes have successfully returned from this injury.
Look ... I can't speak for others, but I am not declaring that Sean Jones and/or Zaide Lowery will be good next season. Or even adequate. Because I don't know.
The thing is, neither do you.
For example, you claimed there was "no sign" that either would be good. And when presented with actual signs that they could be good, you either chose to ignore those signs or returned with more evidence-free opinions.
Quote from: MU82 on April 20, 2025, 02:42:47 PMFor example, you claimed there was "no sign" that either would be good. And when presented with actual signs that they could be good, you either chose to ignore those signs or returned with more evidence-free opinions.
I was asked to say why without stats because they would be "skewed" as backups.
I say why with opinion, and without stats.
I get told that I don't have evidence.
Evidently you all have faith that's great. I just want to add one mid major guard in the portal please. That's it.
I don't want to watch these two guys start without competition. It's naive to they will preform at an upper half of the Big East level.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 02:31:28 PMDefensive box is just defensive counting stats.
Not how frequently you get burned
Zaide routinely guarded the other teams best when on the floor and had the 3rd best Defensive Rating on the team.
2nd best among returners.
Chase Ross- 100.9
Zaide Lowery- 101.1
They are both great defenders.
I know the stats that JFP is relying on to inform his opinion of Zaide and Sean. They essentially measure how better/ a team was when a player was on the court vs off the court. It's closest thing there is to a tool to accurarely measure a players total defensive impact.
I'm in a group chat with a guy who tracks these numbers for MU. My recollection is that Zaide dug himself a massive hole in the first half of the season but actually made huge gains in the last third.I think Zaide will be solid next season. I'm more worried about Sean
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 20, 2025, 03:46:28 PMI know the stats that JFP is relying on to inform his opinion of Zaide and Sean. They essentially measure how better/ a team was when a player was on the court vs off the court. It's closest thing there is to a tool to accurarely measure a players total defensive impact.
I'm in a group chat with a guy who tracks these numbers for MU. My recollection is that Zaide dug himself a massive hole in the first half of the season but actually made huge gains in the last third.I think Zaide will be solid next season. I'm more worried about Sean
Plus/Minus?
Zaide has the same individual defensive rating as Micah Peavy of 101.1 which was tied for 11th in the Conference
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 20, 2025, 03:46:28 PMMy recollection is that Zaide dug himself a massive hole in the first half of the season but actually made huge gains in the last third.I think Zaide will be solid next season. I'm more worried about Sean
This is true.... however we were a worse basketball team as the season went on when he was digging out of the hole defensively. He became a just above average college defender in the last 30 days of the season.
Box Scores defense and individual defensive rating are bad stats to me. Remember how great those Luke Fischer blocks were.
Zaide had the second worst ADJ TEAM Defensive Efficency when on the court of the entire team. It was 95.8. Only Demarious Owens was worse at 98.4.
Also it wasn't just that Zaide was stuck playing with the bench. You can look at the team defense on off splits when neither Owens or Caedin played to get a better gage of his impact.
https://hoop-explorer.com/OnOffAnalyzer?autoOffQuery=false&baseQuery=&calcRapm=true&gender=Men&maxRank=400&minRank=0&offQuery=NOT%20%28%22Lowery%2C%20Zaide%22%20%29%20AND%20NOT%20%22Owens%2C%20Damarius%22%20AND%20NOT%20%22Hamilton%2C%20Caedin%22%20&onQuery=%22Lowery%2C%20Zaide%22%20AND%20NOT%20%22Owens%2C%20Damarius%22%20AND%20NOT%20%22Hamilton%2C%20Caedin%22%20&team=Marquette&year=2024%2F25& (https://hoop-explorer.com/OnOffAnalyzer?autoOffQuery=false&baseQuery=&calcRapm=true&gender=Men&maxRank=400&minRank=0&offQuery=NOT%20%28%22Lowery%2C%20Zaide%22%20%29%20AND%20NOT%20%22Owens%2C%20Damarius%22%20AND%20NOT%20%22Hamilton%2C%20Caedin%22%20&onQuery=%22Lowery%2C%20Zaide%22%20AND%20NOT%20%22Owens%2C%20Damarius%22%20AND%20NOT%20%22Hamilton%2C%20Caedin%22%20&team=Marquette&year=2024%2F25&)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 20, 2025, 03:29:18 PMZaide routinely guarded the other teams best when on the floor
I missed all of those games he must have started.
Looking forward to growth and development.
Quote from: tower912 on April 20, 2025, 04:11:43 PMLooking forward to growth and development.
I hope so.
Quote from: tower912 on April 20, 2025, 04:11:43 PMLooking forward to growth and development.
No other choice. It will be interesting. If they are an NCAA team this year with the arrow pointing upward, all the portal talk should lessen significantly IMO. I know it won't but that would be my opinion.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 04:10:18 PMI missed all of those games he must have started.
So because he didn't start, he's incapable of guarding the other teams best player? I'm confused.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 03:24:02 PMI was asked to say why without stats because they would be "skewed" as backups.
I say why with opinion, and without stats.
I get told that I don't have evidence.
Evidently you all have faith that's great. I just want to add one mid major guard in the portal please. That's it.
I don't want to watch these two guys start without competition. It's naive to they will preform at an upper half of the Big East level.
As I said, I don't know.
And you don't know, either.
I'd also like to see us bring in an experienced guard (and an experienced big) to be part of next season's rotation, in an ideal world.
But our roster wishes don't mean Jones and Lowery have shown "no sign" that they could be good. Indeed, I provided specific positive signs for each player.
Once upon a time, growth and development was the norm. MU fans were driven crazy by Bo being so good at it up the road. MU has been spoiled only starting 8 players over the last three seasons. Shaka has chosen to stay old school, which feels subversive, instead of getting in a bidding wars for a MAC or Horizon league guard.
I am more optimistic about it than most.
1. The 6th year guys are gone.
2. There simply aren't that many portal guys that MU could afford who are better than what is already at MU.
3. I am genuinely enthused about Ben, Royce, DO, Chase, and Zaide.
4. There are questions about Caedin, Josh, Tre, and Sean's knee. But there are also reasons for optimism.
5. Shaka et al have a history of developing players. As well as the fact that most players get better. So, based on that, they are all going to be somewhat better. The question is how much better and how soon.
For the first time since Shaka's first season, there are unknowns and likely competition for starting spots and other roles. Cool. Sounds like fun.
This is a big year for Shaka because he's only developing his guys now. Wojo was a frustrating in-game coach, among other things, but he and his staff could find some great players. Hopefully Shaka brought in some smart choices as recruits and can make an early difference.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 20, 2025, 01:46:59 PMWould you rather me say "typically degenerative"?
Typically when you tear an acl. You don't run faster. You lose function.
jfp, degenerative usually means a wearing out, as something degenerates, as in degenerative arthritis (osteoarthritis). ACL injuries tend to happen to young, active athletes. Rehab from such an injury can lead to performance not characteristic of degenerates, but of otherwise healthy young athletes. Don't write Sean off, there are too many success stories of athletes who have recovered from such injuries.
Quote from: tower912 on April 20, 2025, 05:21:46 PMOnce upon a time, growth and development was the norm. MU fans were driven crazy by Bo being so good at it up the road. MU has been spoiled only starting 8 players over the last three seasons. Shaka has chosen to stay old school, which feels subversive, instead of getting in a bidding wars for a MAC or Horizon league guard.
I am more optimistic about it than most.
1. The 6th year guys are gone.
2. There simply aren't that many portal guys that MU could afford who are better than what is already at MU.
3. I am genuinely enthused about Ben, Royce, DO, Chase, and Zaide.
4. There are questions about Caedin, Josh, Tre, and Sean's knee. But there are also reasons for optimism.
5. Shaka et al have a history of developing players. As well as the fact that most players get better. So, based on that, they are all going to be somewhat better. The question is how much better and how soon.
For the first time since Shaka's first season, there are unknowns and likely competition for starting spots and other roles. Cool. Sounds like fun.
Well said.
I'd be happy to add a transfer if Shaka found one who's both a good fit and a good value, but I prefer what we have to the likes of Mahaney or Storr (or similar). Like you, I expect several of our players to get better, perhaps even much better.
Will that be good enough? We'll see!
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on April 20, 2025, 06:01:14 PMjfp, degenerative usually means a wearing out, as something degenerates, as in degenerative arthritis (osteoarthritis). ACL injuries tend to happen to young, active athletes. Rehab from such an injury can lead to performance not characteristic of degenerates, but of otherwise healthy young athletes. Don't write Sean off, there are too many success stories of athletes who have recovered from such injuries.
I think you have to take into account what type of player an injured player is. Sean is small and relied on speed the ability to change directions. His game is dependent on having a sound knee.
Quote from: bilsu on April 21, 2025, 02:41:11 PMI think you have to take into account what type of player an injured player is. Sean is small and relied on speed the ability to change directions. His game is dependent on having a sound knee.
So was Adrian Peterson's. Adrian Peterson returned 8 months after tearing his ACL and rushed for just 2,097 yards.
Modern medicine is amazing. Players can recover from a torn up knee. I'll go ahead and say Sean's speed and explosiveness will not be his issue.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2025, 02:48:26 PMSo was Adrian Peterson's. Adrian Peterson returned 8 months after tearing his ACL and rushed for just 2,097 yards.
Modern medicine is amazing. Players can recover from a torn up knee. I'll go ahead and say Sean's speed and explosiveness will not be his issue.
Exactly. His knee has been sound for a while. It will be 20 months from the injury when he likely starts for Marquette next season.
https://x.com/Aries_Sherrie/status/1885032361126982094?t=bl6zTkNo5L0RD_FLFWdOWg&s=19
Does he even have two knees anymore? Doubtful
Quote from: bilsu on April 21, 2025, 02:41:11 PMI think you have to take into account what type of player an injured player is. Sean is small and relied on speed the ability to change directions. His game is dependent on having a sound knee.
Hundreds of examples of great athletes in a variety of sports returning successfully from this kind of injury. Skiers, tennis players, football players, basketball players, volleyball players and others that put significant torque on their legs. Adrian Peterson, as mentioned, is a great example.
It's not the 1960s, and this isn't what Gale Sayers had to endure.
Nobody here knows for certain that Sean will have 100% of his quickness and explosiveness back. But nobody here knows that he won't.
What we all do know (or should) is that Shaka has seen Sean almost every day in the gym, and he seems pretty convinced that Sean will be fit next season.
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status/1914372299719106828?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2025, 06:46:45 PMhttps://x.com/travisbranham_/status/1914372299719106828?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Hard pass, even if Epps offers to pay NIL to Marquette.
Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2025, 06:51:40 PMHard pass, even if Epps offers to pay NIL to Marquette.
I wasn't posting about Marquette pursuing him.....I don't think we will pursue anyone .........only mention it because it's a conference foe losing a significant starter.
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2025, 06:55:26 PMI wasn't posting about Marquette pursuing him.....I don't think we will pursue anyone .........only mention it because it's a conference foe losing a significant starter.
I figured as much. Still just my way of opining, "Yuck!"
No! He is in the portal! Therefore Shaka is failing by not landing him!
Portal filling up today with guys who have already played 4 or 5 years of college ball already.
Latest.....old friend Dawson Garcia
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2025, 08:10:21 PMLatest.....old friend Dawson Garcia
Lmao
Honestly kind of sad to watch some of this. Pretty glad our guys all were at peace with their college career ending and didn't try to pull any of this nonsense. If these players want more eligibility, I don't know what entering the portal does or how that makes their case better.
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2025, 08:10:21 PMPortal filling up today with guys who have already played 4 or 5 years of college ball already.
Latest.....old friend Dawson Garcia
So, what is his market value? And he is an experienced big. How much would MU fans pay for him to finish his career at MU?
He has played 5 years. From what I read he may petition for an extra season due to the season he left UNC.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2025, 02:48:26 PMSo was Adrian Peterson's. Adrian Peterson returned 8 months after tearing his ACL and rushed for just 2,097 yards.
Modern medicine is amazing. Players can recover from a torn up knee. I'll go ahead and say Sean's speed and explosiveness will not be his issue.
AP is an outlier. ACL injuries usually take 18 months for return to high level activity. Expecting the same production in the first six months of the return is naive for many reasons.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 21, 2025, 10:08:27 PMAP is an outlier. ACL injuries usually take 18 months for return to high level activity. Expecting the same production in the first six months of the return is naive for many reasons.
I thought it was funny when everyone was going nuts when Aaron rodgers was throwing a football and was "ahead of schedule."
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2025, 02:57:00 PMExactly. His knee has been sound for a while. It will be 20 months from the injury when he likely starts for Marquette next season.
https://x.com/Aries_Sherrie/status/1885032361126982094?t=bl6zTkNo5L0RD_FLFWdOWg&s=19
Many casuals were lauding Aaron rodgers for being "ahead of schedule" while he was throwing a football and moving laterally during pre game very early on in his rehab. There is no correlation to his injury and throwing a football much like there is no correlation to progress seeing Sean move around in pre game warmups 12 months post surgery. The real test is quick lateral movement, start/stop etc.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 21, 2025, 10:12:04 PMI thought it was funny when everyone was going nuts when Aaron rodgers was throwing a football and was "ahead of schedule."
Many casuals were lauding Aaron rodgers for being "ahead of schedule" while he was throwing a football and moving laterally during pre game very early on in his rehab. There is no correlation to his injury and throwing a football much like there is no correlation to progress seeing Sean move around in pre game warmups 12 months post surgery. The real test is quick lateral movement, start/stop etc.
Good thing he'll be nearly 2 years removed from the injury. And that his injury isn't even the same body part that Aaron Rodgers's was. And that he's half Aaron's age.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 21, 2025, 10:08:27 PMAP is an outlier. ACL injuries usually take 18 months for return to high level activity. Expecting the same production in the first six months of the return is naive for many reasons.
He will be 20+ months removed from the injury when the season starts.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 21, 2025, 10:08:27 PMAP is an outlier. ACL injuries usually take 18 months for return to high level activity. Expecting the same production in the first six months of the return is naive for many reasons.
Source for 18 months? 20 years ago, I saw kids cleared in about 6. Now, standard is 12 months, just to let the ligament get stronger. Biggest hurdle at this point will be mental.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 22, 2025, 05:37:21 AMSource for 18 months?
History tells us that panda doesn't have the best sources.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 22, 2025, 05:37:21 AMSource for 18 months? 20 years ago, I saw kids cleared in about 6. Now, standard is 12 months, just to let the ligament get stronger. Biggest hurdle at this point will be mental.
Panda may not have great sources, but he did qualify by speaking about being productive at a high level. Not many athletes who come back in say 6-12 months play at a high level compared to past performance. I. any event, it's all rather subjective.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 22, 2025, 05:37:21 AMSource for 18 months? 20 years ago, I saw kids cleared in about 6. Now, standard is 12 months, just to let the ligament get stronger. Biggest hurdle at this point will be mental.
12 months for return to activity with an additional 6 months expected until regaining similar levels of performance confidence pre injury. Just my personal experience.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 22, 2025, 07:53:56 AM12 months for return to activity with an additional 6 months expected until regaining similar levels of performance confidence pre injury. Just my personal experience.
As I said...
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2025, 05:54:22 AMHistory tells us that panda doesn't have the best sources.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2025, 10:43:40 PMGood thing he'll be nearly 2 years removed from the injury. And that his injury isn't even the same body part that Aaron Rodgers's was. And that he's half Aaron's age.
GE discussed his knee being sound for a while which is purely conjecture based on limited information, much like when the public went crazy seeing arodg throwing a football "way ahead of schedule."
The true litmus test is a return to full game speed, not getting excited and declaring him fit after seeing him do something in warmups.
It takes a while to regain confidence in the knee as well as acclimate to the speed of the game. As you said, he's two years removed from a serious injury. That's a long time to not play any competitive basketball. Don't count on him for similar levels of production straight away.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2025, 08:00:46 AMAs I said...
It's always a safe place to sit back and second guess everyone's posts here. Just not a good look
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 22, 2025, 08:02:08 AMIt's always a safe place to sit back and second guess everyone's posts here. Just not a good look
I find it funny and enjoyable.
Quote from: tower912 on April 21, 2025, 08:58:18 PMSo, what is his market value? And he is an experienced big. How much would MU fans pay for him to finish his career at MU?
He has played 5 years. From what I read he may petition for an extra season due to the season he left UNC.
I guess Dawson has aged out of his burgeoning boy band career.
These kids who have no NBA payday coming their way are being convinced by agents to go into the Portal in the hopes the NCAA will either A) change the eligibility limit to five years, or B) they get some BS waiver. The College of Charleston kid is petitioning one of his years shouldn't count because of "significant mental stress due to language barriers, cultural adjustments that hindered his development and precluded NIL opportunities available at the Division I level,"...while playing the whole season.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 22, 2025, 08:23:15 AMI guess Dawson has aged out of his burgeoning boy band career.
These kids who have no NBA payday coming their way are being convinced by agents to go into the Portal in the hopes the NCAA will either A) change the eligibility limit to five years, or B) they get some BS waiver. The College of Charleston kid is petitioning one of his years shouldn't count because of "significant mental stress due to language barriers, cultural adjustments that hindered his development and precluded NIL opportunities available at the Division I level,"...while playing the whole season.
I mean, it's worth a shot right?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2025, 10:43:40 PMGood thing he'll be nearly 2 years removed from the injury. And that his injury isn't even the same body part that Aaron Rodgers's was. And that he's half Aaron's age.
Not like we have to worry anyways with Sean in the portal.
Rodney Rice gets $3 Million from USC...my goodness.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 21, 2025, 10:12:04 PMI thought it was funny when everyone was going nuts when Aaron rodgers was throwing a football and was "ahead of schedule."
Many casuals were lauding Aaron rodgers for being "ahead of schedule" while he was throwing a football and moving laterally during pre game very early on in his rehab. There is no correlation to his injury and throwing a football much like there is no correlation to progress seeing Sean move around in pre game warmups 12 months post surgery. The real test is quick lateral movement, start/stop etc.
Please go and watch Enigma. It includes scenes with his medical team, who are basically telling him, he's way too aggressive in his time frame/ goals. These are two completely different things.
Sean is already 15 months into his rehab. There have been videos of him dunking, slashing to the basket, etc, so he certainly doesn't appear to be doing poorly.
Even if it does take 1 1/2 years to get to almost where he was pre-injury, that's mid-July - three months before Marquette Madness. By the start of the season, it will be 22 months. By the start of the conference season, it will be about 2 full years.
I think most here allow that he might not be 100% of what he was when next season starts. But most of us are looking at the success rates of similar situations and are using common sense ... as well as maybe a little optimism instead of Eeyore-ism.
Not a single person "knows" how fully back Sean will be on Nov. 1 - including Sean. All of us are speculating some; some are choosing to include optimism in our educated guesses.
Then there are those who claim that, injury aside, Sean has never shown any "sign" of being good - despite him having played a major role in victories over Kansas, Creighton, UCLA and others. That's a whole 'nother level of negativity for the sake of negativity.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 22, 2025, 10:19:03 AMRodney Rice gets $3 Million from USC...my goodness.
#FakeNews #Lies
So, is anybody expecting any last minute MU entries into the portal?
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 02:11:47 PMSo, is anybody expecting any last minute MU entries into the portal?
No, but they all might as well.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 02:11:47 PMSo, is anybody expecting any last minute MU entries into the portal?
No
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1914810887451332846?t=PNDzf57A2XGKCrLNdd582Q&s=19
Shaka is winning.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 22, 2025, 06:05:14 PMhttps://x.com/CBKReport/status/1914810887451332846?t=PNDzf57A2XGKCrLNdd582Q&s=19
Shaka is winning.
More made up bullsh1t.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2025, 06:08:41 PMMore made up bullsh1t.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1914430602000084992?t=KnakFoifmOGAXKuZ1wvYgw&s=19
What leads you to say that? You don't believe the NIL organization associated with Kentucky has that kind of money? You don't believe the USC organization would spend that kind of money? Or do you think all of the NIL money reports are fiction?
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 06:11:39 PMWhat leads you to say that? You don't believe the NIL organization associated with Kentucky has that kind of money? You don't believe the USC organization would spend that kind of money? Or do you think all of the NIL money reports are fiction?
Right?
It is reported that BYU has between $8M and $10M for Dybantsa and Wright. If their whole roster isn't touching Kentucky when 2 guys are making that much, $20M seems plausible.
...and also leads me to believe we will not be able to compete for any player that has proven value in the portal. Shaka's way is the way!!
I was directing that at JB, but I agree in principle with your post.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 02:11:47 PMSo, is anybody expecting any last minute MU entries into the portal?
Besides Sean?
Stay tuned.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 06:19:16 PMI was directing that at JB, but I agree in principle with your post.
I know. I was just emphasizing your post.
Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2025, 02:05:33 PMOther than back up stretch 4, there really isn't.
Hamilton/Clark/Gold
Parham
Ross/Owens/Lowery/Miletic/Phillips/ Stevens
Jones/Parham/James
Now, you can argue that you do not trust freshmen or that too much growth and development may be required. But there are lots of bodies at 4 of the 5 positions.
So, two scholarships open and it appears Shaka is pursuing high schoolers.
back from a Rocky ruler-across-the-hands slap. Miss me? Tower, wake up. No holes to fill? A roster of mediocrity and no holes to fill? Swap out the entire dang roster!! No holes to fill? You can't be serious???? Gonna run with returnees and 3star HS boys? Should go well vs StJ's. Talk about absurd. Mediocrity is smacking you upside the noggan. Wake up!
LOL. Who?
Quote from: Viper on April 22, 2025, 07:09:35 PMback from a Rocky ruler-across-the-hands slap. Miss me? Tower, wake up. No holes to fill? A roster of mediocrity and no holes to fill? Swap out the entire dang roster!! No holes to fill? You can't be serious???? Gonna run with returnees and 3star HS boys? Should go well vs StJ's. Talk about absurd. Mediocrity is smacking you upside the noggan. Wake up!
You really should wait until you sober up before posting.........
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 21, 2025, 08:46:54 PMLmao
Honestly kind of sad to watch some of this. Pretty glad our guys all were at peace with their college career ending and didn't try to pull any of this nonsense. If these players want more eligibility, I don't know what entering the portal does or how that makes their case better.
I do not think our three seniors will continue in college, if NCAA approves the 5-year eligibility rule. However, MU has two open scholarships so one or two could decide to return, if the rule was changed.
Quote from: Viper on April 22, 2025, 07:09:35 PMback from a Rocky ruler-across-the-hands slap. Miss me? Tower, wake up. No holes to fill? A roster of mediocrity and no holes to fill? Swap out the entire dang roster!! No holes to fill? You can't be serious???? Gonna run with returnees and 3star HS boys? Should go well vs StJ's. Talk about absurd. Mediocrity is smacking you upside the noggan. Wake up!
Who are you?
He's either going to be really right or really wrong.
wut
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2025, 06:11:39 PMWhat leads you to say that? You don't believe the NIL organization associated with Kentucky has that kind of money? You don't believe the USC organization would spend that kind of money? Or do you think all of the NIL money reports are fiction?
Hes being pedantic. Part of his schtick is calling any report that says "SCHOOL is paying PLAYER X dollars" fake news because that is currently against NCAA rules. He's well aware what people mean but it makes him happy
Probably. I wanted to see if perhaps he had insight that all of the NIL numbers being reported are rubbish.
Quote from: Viper on April 22, 2025, 07:09:35 PMback from a Rocky ruler-across-the-hands slap. Miss me? Tower, wake up. No holes to fill? A roster of mediocrity and no holes to fill? Swap out the entire dang roster!! No holes to fill? You can't be serious???? Gonna run with returnees and 3star HS boys? Should go well vs StJ's. Talk about absurd. Mediocrity is smacking you upside the noggan. Wake up!
Even the Scoopiest mopes have stopped short of saying Shaka should tell everyone to hit the highway and bring in 15 new players from the portal.
I like it!
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2025, 08:59:54 PMEven the Scoopiest mopes have stopped short of saying Shaka should tell everyone to hit the highway and bring in 15 new players from the portal.
I like it!
His suggestions dovetail nicely with the Lizzie Borden method of problem solving that is
very much in vogue. How did Shaka miss being whacked?
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2025, 08:59:54 PMEven the Scoopiest mopes have stopped short of saying Shaka should tell everyone to hit the highway and bring in 15 new players from the portal.
I like it!
I mean, name one player who should stay?
Quote from: DoctorV on April 22, 2025, 09:49:31 PMI mean, name one player who should stay?
Name one player that shouldn't.
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2025, 08:59:54 PMEven the Scoopiest mopes have stopped short of saying Shaka should tell everyone to hit the highway and bring in 15 new players from the portal.
I like it!
To be fair, he argued passionately about Tyler Kolek not playing in the NBA. He knows ball
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2025, 06:36:36 AMTo be fair, he argued passionately about Tyler Kolek not playing in the NBA. He knows ball
His brother in law is in his head.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 22, 2025, 09:49:31 PMI mean, name one player who should stay?
I said that I like it. Cut 'em all. After all, that's how Florida and UConn won the 3 championships in the portal/NIL era, by cutting every player on their rosters and bringing in whole new groups annually. And look at all the success St. John's had in the 2025 NCAA Tournament - we want that for Marquette!
The problem is that Shaka obviously doesn't know how to identify good players, nor has he shown he has any ability at all to develop players. So maybe it doesn't matter what we do.
Marquette's powers-that-be might as well take our program to the Horizon League. Or D2.
Quote from: MU82 on April 23, 2025, 10:18:35 AMI said that I like it. Cut 'em all. After all, that's how Florida and UConn won the 3 championships in the portal/NIL era, by cutting every player on their rosters and bringing in whole new groups annually. And look at all the success St. John's had in the 2025 NCAA Tournament - we want that for Marquette!
The problem is that Shaka obviously doesn't know how to identify good players, nor has he shown he has any ability at all to develop players. So maybe it doesn't matter what we do.
Marquette's powers-that-be might as well take our program to the Horizon League. Or D2.
I get the sarcasm. I want the program to succeed as much as anyone. I may not see it but there might be a point where the University will just see that it is not financially feasible to compete at the D1 level like they did for football back in 1960. If you cannot compete for a championship what is the point. We don't even know if the tournament will be around in its present format after 2032. I admire your optimism.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2025, 11:22:02 AMIf you cannot compete for a championship what is the point.
Don't mean to be snarky at all...how do you define competing for a championship? Can you provide measurable criteria for this?
So, any MU related surprises so far in regards to the portal? Only losing one seems like a win. Does anyone think MU lands a more talented replacement for Amadou?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 22, 2025, 08:38:37 PMHes being pedantic. Part of his schtick is calling any report that says "SCHOOL is paying PLAYER X dollars" fake news because that is currently against NCAA rules. He's well aware what people mean but it makes him happy
#FakeNews #Lies
When someone says, "Rice gets $3M from USC", what do you believe that means? I'm not just saying, 'no, USC can't give the player any $'.. I'm saying I don't believe the number and my question is: What is the basis for the figure?
A contract? Between what parties? Nope, don't think that's it.
Is it someone at USC telling the player and/or their agent, 'we will find a way to make sure you get around $3M'?? Is it someone at USC saying, 'we have talked to the folks at collective X, and they have assured us they are committed to getting you $3M"??
What does "Rice gets $3M from USC" mean? It's b.s. What is the source, what is the basis?
Clearly there are many issues around cheating, tax status, etc... but I'm not even getting into that -- I'm just saying these 'reports' are based on b.s.
Will we see in the future kids pissed -- who either sit out or transfer - because what "they got" didn't turn out to be what they actually got? I think we already have seen that.
It's an ugly situation, but I can be settled if there's a yearly release of a great college bball video game. Then they can do whatever nonsense they want.
But I'm certainly not going to parrot dipsh1ts claiming certain dollar amounts. It's nonsense.
Anyway, was thinking about what's one of the next dumb things to happen.. after seeing all these guys with exhausted competition eligibility telling admins at their school that they want to be added to the transfer portal. lol
...it's a bit scary, and ugly, but I think it can happen and I'm not sure it's a bad argument from the kids' perspective:
Despite most saying, 'the portal closes on x date', it's not closed. The 30-day notification window closes... that's it. There are tons of kids with no certain home at this point and many months to decide.
I think we will see kids demanding they be allowed immediate eligibility despite entering the portal outside of the notification window. The days of 'student-athlete' and worrying about their studies first is out the window. The days of committing to an institution are largely done. So, 'protecting the student' arguments are weaker than they ever have been.
Scenario: School X as of today has a lineup you can reasonably project. Player A is looking forward to big minutes at point guard. Then, in June.. or May, July, August, etc... School X finds a player they like in the portal who finally agrees to come to their school. Player A is looking at intense competition, and fears they will struggle to get playing time now after this June transfer. At this point, they would not be eligible for the vanilla no-year-in-residence requirement. But, they are kinda eff'd by the transfer system setup and what their school did well after the notification window closed.
...or you will have a Player A who decides in July they want more money.. and makes up an excuse of some low level transfer that occurred in June... as their reason they may want to leave. They tell School X 'gimme the loot'... and explore other options. They find a different home in July, and raise holy hell with the NCAA demanding immediate eligibility.
Ugly, ugly stuff.
But anyway, the "oh yeah he got $3M"... if someone knows the basis and why that's reasonable to accept as fact, let me know.
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 11:59:36 AMSo, any MU related surprises so far in regards to the portal? Only losing one seems like a win. Does anyone think MU lands a more talented replacement for Amadou?
Is it too late for Ben to declare for the NBA Draft?
It seems like Shaka could add a late front court player, but it sounds like a HS reclass is most likely. So more talented, but not experienced like a portal guy would be.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 23, 2025, 12:41:45 AMName one player that shouldn't.
I'll start w/Tre. Move on to Caedin. Want another?
Quote from: DoctorV on April 23, 2025, 12:51:27 PMIs it too late for Ben to declare for the NBA Draft?
It is not.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2025, 12:56:03 PMIt is not.
Does any one really think Ben is ready for the NBA?
Not at the moment. I can still see it, though.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 23, 2025, 01:08:28 PMDoes any one really think Ben is ready for the NBA?
Does anyone really think that every player who has declared for the draft over the years has been ready for the NBA?
Fact is, few are "ready" - at least as most of us might define it. I mean, two players drafted in the top 6 last year (Reed Sheppard and Tidjane Salaun) were nowhere near "ready," as their lack of PT with their NBA teams showed. Vander Blue not only wasn't "ready," but he also had no indication that he'd even be drafted, but he still declared for the draft.
Guys who aren't ready declare for all kinds of reasons - some get bad advice, some misinterpret NBA teams' interest in them, some are simply done with the college experience, etc.
I have absolutely no reason to think Gold will leave Marquette this summer for the NBA or any other pro league. I'd be quite surprised if he did - and bummed, too, because we need him. But is it out of the realm of possibility? I suppose not.
2,499 D-I men's basketball players entered the 2025 transfer portal, which opened on March 24 and closed on Tuesday, according to Verbal Commits.
That number represents roughly 45% of the total players on rosters last season (5,607). It's also a 20% increase over last year's portal entries (2,083) and a whopping 161% increase over the 957 entries in 2019, the year the portal was introduced.
Portal entries by year:
2025: 2,499
2024: 2,083
2023: 1,724
2022: 1,650
2021: 1,653
2020: 967
2019: 957
Meanwhile, on the women's side... 1,468 D-I players entered the portal this cycle (per On3), which represents 29% of the total women's players on rosters last season (5,048).
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 11:59:36 AMSo, any MU related surprises so far in regards to the portal? Only losing one seems like a win. Does anyone think MU lands a more talented replacement for Amadou?
Pretty sure the current roster is what will be in Fiserv this November.
With roughly 25% of players exhausting their eligibility, that means 70% of 24-25 players will not be playing for the same school next season.
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 01:41:06 PMWith roughly 25% of players exhausting their eligibility, that means 70% of 24-25 players will not be playing for the same school next season.
Nah. Using these numbers is trash. You're double counting those in the portal who also exhausted their eligibility; and including a bunch of walk ons who didn't play much or at all and won't again next year. And the total, for that and other reasons, includes a ton of players who won't play for anyone next year. It's junky data.
You are saying that 2499 players aren't actually in the portal and that 25 % of players did not exhaust their eligibility?
Which numbers would you like to use?
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 02:02:29 PMYou are saying that 2499 players aren't actually in the portal and that 25 % of players did not exhaust their eligibility?
Which numbers would you like to use?
I'm saying a number of things. One of which is that the players in the portal INCLUDES a bunch who have already exhausted their eligibility. There are plenty of other data issues, but for now I'm talking about your double-count.
How many do you suppose there are? Garcia is the obvious one that hits close to home for you. Out of the 2499, do you suppose 1%? 10%? Enough to fundamentally skew the numbers or just enough to cause you to vent?
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 02:19:18 PMHow many do you suppose there are? Garcia is the obvious one that hits close to home for you. Out of the 2499, do you suppose 1%? 10%? Enough to fundamentally skew the numbers or just enough to cause you to vent?
A lot.
I think if you're going to use "2,499" you're getting quite specific (albeit inaccurate).
Dawson is a "unique" case, actually. There are several Gophers with no eligibility that are in the portal as well, as an example.
Take your beef about 2499 to MU 82 and Verbal commits.
Quote from: tower912 on April 23, 2025, 02:30:23 PMTake your beef about 2499 to MU 82 and Verbal commits.
I'm saying less than 50% of that figure will play D-I bball this coming season... and I'm outraged!
I noticed one person that retweeted this.......Nigel James Sr.
https://x.com/painttouches/status/1915054328924262582?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2025, 12:49:03 PM#FakeNews #Lies
When someone says, "Rice gets $3M from USC", what do you believe that means? I'm not just saying, 'no, USC can't give the player any $'.. I'm saying I don't believe the number and my question is: What is the basis for the figure?
A contract? Between what parties? Nope, don't think that's it.
Is it someone at USC telling the player and/or their agent, 'we will find a way to make sure you get around $3M'?? Is it someone at USC saying, 'we have talked to the folks at collective X, and they have assured us they are committed to getting you $3M"??
What does "Rice gets $3M from USC" mean? It's b.s. What is the source, what is the basis?
Clearly there are many issues around cheating, tax status, etc... but I'm not even getting into that -- I'm just saying these 'reports' are based on b.s.
Will we see in the future kids pissed -- who either sit out or transfer - because what "they got" didn't turn out to be what they actually got? I think we already have seen that.
It's an ugly situation, but I can be settled if there's a yearly release of a great college bball video game. Then they can do whatever nonsense they want.
But I'm certainly not going to parrot dipsh1ts claiming certain dollar amounts. It's nonsense.
Anyway, was thinking about what's one of the next dumb things to happen.. after seeing all these guys with exhausted competition eligibility telling admins at their school that they want to be added to the transfer portal. lol
...it's a bit scary, and ugly, but I think it can happen and I'm not sure it's a bad argument from the kids' perspective:
Despite most saying, 'the portal closes on x date', it's not closed. The 30-day notification window closes... that's it. There are tons of kids with no certain home at this point and many months to decide.
I think we will see kids demanding they be allowed immediate eligibility despite entering the portal outside of the notification window. The days of 'student-athlete' and worrying about their studies first is out the window. The days of committing to an institution are largely done. So, 'protecting the student' arguments are weaker than they ever have been.
Scenario: School X as of today has a lineup you can reasonably project. Player A is looking forward to big minutes at point guard. Then, in June.. or May, July, August, etc... School X finds a player they like in the portal who finally agrees to come to their school. Player A is looking at intense competition, and fears they will struggle to get playing time now after this June transfer. At this point, they would not be eligible for the vanilla no-year-in-residence requirement. But, they are kinda eff'd by the transfer system setup and what their school did well after the notification window closed.
...or you will have a Player A who decides in July they want more money.. and makes up an excuse of some low level transfer that occurred in June... as their reason they may want to leave. They tell School X 'gimme the loot'... and explore other options. They find a different home in July, and raise holy hell with the NCAA demanding immediate eligibility.
Ugly, ugly stuff.
But anyway, the "oh yeah he got $3M"... if someone knows the basis and why that's reasonable to accept as fact, let me know.
Like I said, pedantic. It's a lot quicker to say "PLAYER got X from SCHOOL" then that word salad. It's generally understood that theres nuance that is unimportant to random basketball fans.
But I do genuinely appreciate you spelling out the nuances. Its a lot more interesting than "FAKE NEWS LIES"
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 23, 2025, 05:17:07 PMLike I said, pedantic. It's a lot quicker to say "PLAYER got X from SCHOOL" then that word salad. It's generally understood that theres nuance that is unimportant to random basketball fans.
But I do genuinely appreciate you spelling out the nuances. Its a lot more interesting than "FAKE NEWS LIES"
It's. But no - it's not pedantic. What is the basis to say $3 million? Is it "we will work to try to get you that"? Is it "we think you can earn that"? Is it made up and/or rounded based on he said, she said?
These are not nuances.
Boosters>collective>player
Isn't that how the money is being allocated now?
That has been my understanding.........although admittedly this all bores the crap out of me so maybe I just don't understand all the nuances of the current environment.
And when the boosters fail to come through....or the coach misleads certain players.....who knows the truth of it? There will be lawyers.....
https://www.wfla.com/news/florida/6-former-florida-state-basketball-players-sue-coach-over-failed-nil-payments/
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2025, 05:51:36 PMIt's. But no - it's not pedantic. What is the basis to say $3 million? Is it "we will work to try to get you that"? Is it "we think you can earn that"? Is it made up and/or rounded based on he said, she said?
These are not nuances.
How you think his new teammates think about this?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 23, 2025, 06:24:06 PMHow you think his new teammates think about this?
Probably not much when the coach tells them, "lol the public is gullible af. What a bunch of idiots!"
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2025, 05:51:36 PMIt's. But no - it's not pedantic. What is the basis to say $3 million? Is it "we will work to try to get you that"? Is it "we think you can earn that"? Is it made up and/or rounded based on he said, she said?
These are not nuances.
To the player and his agent? You're absolutely right.
To randos on the internet? Unimportant nuance
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 23, 2025, 06:49:12 PMTo the player and his agent? You're absolutely right.
To randos on the internet? Unimportant nuance
I guess that's the point — it's nonsense b.s. with no good basis. So when people here parrot it as fact, I note that it's not.
Quote from: Viper on April 23, 2025, 12:53:51 PMI'll start w/Tre. Move on to Caedin. Want another?
Why wouldn't they return?
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2025, 06:28:24 PMProbably not much when the coach tells them, "lol the public is gullible af. What a bunch of idiots!"
Speaking of, some people think players commit to schools and not coaches
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 23, 2025, 06:24:06 PMHow you think his new teammates think about this?
Probably the same as people in jobs working with people that make more than them
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2025, 07:21:50 PMSpeaking of, some people think players commit to schools and not coaches
They contractually did. So the basis was a contract. PS...
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2025, 12:49:03 PMThe days of 'student-athlete' and worrying about their studies first is out the window. The days of committing to an institution are largely done. So, 'protecting the student' arguments are weaker than they ever have been.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 23, 2025, 06:58:14 PMWhy wouldn't they return?
Viper wants us to be more like Wisco........recruit over players for the next best thing coming down the line.
Quote from: MDMU04 on April 23, 2025, 11:54:53 AMDon't mean to be snarky at all...how do you define competing for a championship? Can you provide measurable criteria for this?
Having the same financial resources as the large football schools.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 23, 2025, 07:59:10 PMHaving the same financial resources as the large football schools.
We haven't had the same financial resources as the large football schools for a long time. If ever.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 23, 2025, 07:27:24 PMViper wants us to be more like Wisco........recruit over players for the next best thing coming down the line.
Man, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 23, 2025, 09:15:50 PMMan, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?
You think that Shaka thinks it's about being holy and good and better than others?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 23, 2025, 09:15:50 PMMan, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?
Call Shaka and ask him.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 23, 2025, 09:23:22 PMYou think that Shaka thinks it's about being holy and good and better than others?
I didn't say Shaka does and don't know if he does. What is said is that a faction of our fanbase does as demonstrated in this thread.
I think you know what is wrong with what you are suggesting.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 23, 2025, 09:15:50 PMMan, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?
Nothing. I would be supportive. Just like I'm supporting his decision not to.
I think the portal is a tool, not a panacea. I think if Shaka had used it extensively and had the exact same results that he has had during his first 4 years at MU, my satisfaction level would be exactly the same.
If there had been a mass exodus and Shaka had gone into the portal and assembled this exact roster, my opinion would be the same. Young, with lots of upside.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 23, 2025, 09:15:50 PMMan, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers. What's wrong with seeing that there is a weak spot and looking to improve it? What if Shaka had decided Kam was better at the two and brought in Bennett Stirtz or J.P. Pegues to run the point, or realized we needed a true big to replace Oso and brought in Viktor Lahkin or Tarris Reed, Jr? Would that have been a betrayal of all that is holy and good about Marquette basketball, even if it resulted in a Sweet 16 run?
I don't think anyone is saying, "Shaka shouldn't use the portal".
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 23, 2025, 09:15:50 PMMan, our fanbase has some major ND and Bucky elitist attitudes going regarding transfers.
I don't think there has been a single person who has said they are against taking a transfer.
I like how Shaka is doing it and he's more than earned the right to continue with this approach. I'm also not anti-portal if Shaka wanted or needed to use it.
What continually frustrates me is most of the people who really think he should be using the portal much more consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route, which are numerous.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 24, 2025, 08:29:12 AMI like how Shaka is doing it and he's more than earned the right to continue with this approach. I'm also not anti-portal if Shaka wanted or needed to use it.
What continually frustrates me is most of the people who really think he should be using the portal much more consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route, which are numerous.
What are the risks going into the season without a back up point guard or any front line depth?
Is it losing to just about any team with a pulse from January and on?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 23, 2025, 08:03:11 PMWe haven't had the same financial resources as the large football schools for a long time. If ever.
Then why is our AD asking for financial support in this new environment?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 24, 2025, 09:29:26 AMThen why is our AD asking for financial support in this new environment?
Why wouldn't he?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 09:32:42 AMWhy wouldn't he?
I don't think athletic departments should ask for charity.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 08:57:56 AMWhat are the risks going into the season without a back up point guard or any front line depth?
Is it losing to just about any team with a pulse from January and on?
Which PG should they have gotten to come off the bench as a backup?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 24, 2025, 08:29:12 AMI like how Shaka is doing it and he's more than earned the right to continue with this approach. I'm also not anti-portal if Shaka wanted or needed to use it.
What continually frustrates me is most of the people who really think he should be using the portal much more consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route, which are numerous.
I feel the same way about folks who think that the Shaka method of recruit, retain, and develop is ideal, but consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route.
The answer is somewhere in the middle. Recruit talented HS players, develop them,
and supplement them with talented transfers to fill needs. Not OR,
AND.
That's what Shaka did in Year 1 and Year 2. Year 3 we didn't have glaring needs so the retain and develop strategy was effective. Year 4 was proof that you need BOTH.
I knew we had a heck of a talented roster coming back last year and retained them all (WIN), but without Sean Jones it was painfully obvious we needed to fill a hole at PG and we didn't (LOSS).
We have some talented players coming back next year that form a strong core and should develop (WIN), but there's questions up front and again at PG. Right now it looks like we're taking a LOSS in that area.
Either way, both are necessary, and I don't know why it's so hard for folks on both sides to grasp that.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 24, 2025, 09:59:15 AMWhich PG should they have gotten to come off the bench as a backup?
There were over 2,000 players in the portal last year.
The opportunity is there but the want to isn't. Which is too bad given our struggles in the second half of the season.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:13:34 AMThere were over 2,000 players in the portal last year.
The opportunity is there but the want to isn't. Which is too bad given our struggles in the second half of the season.
So, in other words, you have no idea who he should have recruited.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 08:57:56 AMWhat are the risks going into the season without a back up point guard or any front line depth?
We have a backup point guard - largely because one of them did not transfer, despite rumors to the contrary - and we have front line depth.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 08:57:56 AMIs it losing to just about any team with a pulse from January and on?
We'll see. That's why they play the games.
You seem to believe that players don't improve and that what happened one year is a guarantee that it will happen again the following season. Which explains why you agreed with Big East coaches that Marquette would finish in 9th place in 2022-23.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 10:20:53 AMSo, in other words, you have no idea who he should have recruited.
I'm not the one recruiting lol.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 10:20:53 AMSo, in other words, you have no idea who he should have recruited.
Kick rocks buddy
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 09:32:42 AMWhy wouldn't he?
If we have the financial support, why write the letter?
Quote from: MU82 on April 24, 2025, 10:24:45 AMWe have a backup point guard - largely because one of them did not transfer, despite rumors to the contrary - and we have front line depth.
We'll see. That's why they play the games.
You seem to believe that players don't improve and that what happened one year is a guarantee that it will happen again the following season. Which explains why you agreed with Big East coaches that Marquette would finish in 9th place in 2022-23.
Who was our back up pg last year?
What depth did we have on the front line?
I see major gaps in the roster coupled with low ceiling players in those spots. Hamilton is not a high major player and neither is Norman. Gold isn't a center and is forced to play that role. Sean jones hasn't played basketball in two years.
The roster has talent but also has very clear flaws. Not supplementing the current roster with an addition or two puts a low ceiling on this team.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 24, 2025, 10:29:24 AMIf we have the financial support, why write the letter?
When did I say we had the financial support?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:27:36 AMI'm not the one recruiting lol.
Huh.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:27:36 AMKick rocks buddy
You can't handle when I use simple logic to derail your bad arguments. It hurts I know.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 10:38:30 AMHuh.
You can't handle when I use simple logic to derail your bad arguments. It hurts I know.
Every program in the country takes transfers in all types of roles.
It's naive to think Marquette can't attract a certain need if they were to acknowledge the need.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 24, 2025, 10:10:05 AMI feel the same way about folks who think that the Shaka method of recruit, retain, and develop is ideal, but consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route.
The answer is somewhere in the middle. Recruit talented HS players, develop them, and supplement them with talented transfers to fill needs. Not OR, AND.
That's what Shaka did in Year 1 and Year 2. Year 3 we didn't have glaring needs so the retain and develop strategy was effective. Year 4 was proof that you need BOTH.
I knew we had a heck of a talented roster coming back last year and retained them all (WIN), but without Sean Jones it was painfully obvious we needed to fill a hole at PG and we didn't (LOSS).
We have some talented players coming back next year that form a strong core and should develop (WIN), but there's questions up front and again at PG. Right now it looks like we're taking a LOSS in that area.
Either way, both are necessary, and I don't know why it's so hard for folks on both sides to grasp that.
This. Don't be stubborn and too prideful to use the transfer portal to supplement the roster accordingly. Unless a coach is consistently pulling in top-tier talent out of high school I think there are more potential risks to avoiding the portal altogether.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 24, 2025, 10:29:24 AMIf we have the financial support, why write the letter?
More is better than less.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:45:05 AMEvery program in the country takes transfers in all types of roles.
It's naive to think Marquette can't attract a certain need if they were to acknowledge the need.
Joe Chartouny? I think you underestimate how difficult it would be to recruit a player to come off the bench for a season and then, the following season, have to compete with three others at the same position for time.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:45:05 AMEvery program in the country takes transfers in all types of roles.
It's naive to think Marquette can't attract a certain need if they were to acknowledge the need.
So on the one hand, you think you know better than Shaka on how to build a team. But on the other, you have no idea who you would add to the roster since you aren't the coach.
Man that is weak.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 24, 2025, 10:48:37 AMThis. Don't be stubborn and too prideful to use the transfer portal to supplement the roster accordingly. Unless a coach is consistently pulling in top-tier talent out of high school I think there are more potential risks to avoiding the portal altogether.
You really think that Shaka isn't using the portal for these reasons?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 24, 2025, 10:56:24 AMJoe Chartouny? I think you underestimate how difficult it would be to recruit a player to come off the bench for a season and then, the following season, have to compete with three others at the same position for time.
Good thing the transfer pool in 2024/25 is much deeper than it was in 24/25 and Marquette's profile is much better than it was when chartouny was the profile of player we were going after.
I really don't think it's that difficult. What makes it difficult is ignoring the problem and not addressing it.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:36:40 AMThe roster has talent but also has very clear flaws. Not supplementing the current roster with an addition or two puts a low ceiling on this team.
Every roster has flaws.
Like many others here, I would have preferred that Shaka had added an experienced player or two through the portal each of the last couple of seasons and for the season coming up. But I admit that I didn't know (and don't know) who was realistically available to MU, and overall I'm pleased with what Shaka has accomplished so far.
The next two seasons will really test Shaka's recruit/develop/retain philosophy. I am rooting hard for Marquette to be one of the great stories in college basketball. If it ends up going bad, you'll have the satisfaction of saying, "I told you so," which apparently matters a lot to you.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 10:56:40 AMSo on the one hand, you think you know better than Shaka on how to build a team. But on the other, you have no idea who you would add to the roster since you aren't the coach.
Man that is weak.
It's not weak. You like to take a holier than thou stance when you disagree with someone which is actually very weak. The players are out there, the coaching staff needs to discover them just like they discover high school players.
You recruit the portal the same way you recruit high school players. Work your networks to find players interested where your roster has needs.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 11:08:32 AMIt's not weak. You like to take a holier than thou stance when you disagree with someone which is actually very weak. The players are out there, the coaching staff needs to discover them just like they discover high school players.
You recruit the portal the same way you recruit high school players. Work your networks to find players interested where your roster has needs.
I actually trust a successful college basketball coach when it comes to building a roster, versus a message board guy with crappy sources.
If that's hollier than thou, than I stand guilty.
Quote from: MU82 on April 24, 2025, 11:00:52 AMEvery roster has flaws.
Like many others here, I would have preferred that Shaka had added an experienced player or two through the portal each of the last couple of seasons and for the season coming up. But I admit that I didn't know (and don't know) who was realistically available to MU, and overall I'm pleased with what Shaka has accomplished so far.
The next two seasons will really test Shaka's recruit/develop/retain philosophy. I am rooting hard for Marquette to be one of the great stories in college basketball. If it ends up going bad, you'll have the satisfaction of saying, "I told you so," which apparently matters a lot to you.
I agree with all of this. Good post. And I want to go on the record saying I hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 11:12:40 AMI actually trust a successful college basketball coach when it comes to building a roster, versus a message board guy with crappy sources.
If that's hollier than thou, than I stand guilty.
Identifying possible roster additions is not the job of a message board poster so I'm not sure why you're trying to make this your gotcha moment.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:59:55 AMGood thing the transfer pool in 2024/25 is much deeper than it was in 24/25 and Marquette's profile is much better than it was when chartouny was the profile of player we were going after.
I really don't think it's that difficult. What makes it difficult is ignoring the problem and not addressing it.
So which player could MU have landed to sit the bench that would have been an upgrade to playing Ross at the backup PG spot? As for Shaka ignoring the problem, are you saying that he should have known in April of 2024 that Sean Jones would not return for the 2024-25 season? When did you know that Sean Jones would not be available for the entire season?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 11:20:43 AMIdentifying possible roster additions is not the job of a message board poster so I'm not sure why you're trying to make this your gotcha moment.
Ahh...
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 24, 2025, 11:31:23 AMSo which player could MU have landed to sit the bench that would have been an upgrade to playing Ross at the backup PG spot? As for Shaka ignoring the problem, are you saying that he should have known in April of 2024 that Sean Jones would not return for the 2024-25 season? When did you know that Sean Jones would not be available for the entire season?
Shaka - here is your shortlist. Work your coaching networks to find a player.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/top/basketball/2024/?position=pg
Avoiding the opportunity is burying your head in the sand and putting an unnecessary ceiling on a mostly talented roster with a couple of holes.
Shaka chose Clark for the last 24-25 schollie. He thought that between Stevie, Chase, Tre, Damarius, and Sean he could cobble together 12 minutes a game at the point. And then Zaide played some point in the loss to Nova in which he scored 25.
I am looking forward to seeing a healthy Sean, Tre, and DO in 25-26.
Ah, well.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 10:57:56 AMYou really think that Shaka isn't using the portal for these reasons?
Shaka's emphasis on relationships and development has built something solid, and the team clearly buys in. But avoiding the portal entirely, even when there are obvious gaps, is starting to feel a little more like stubbornness and pride than strategy.
He's made conflicting comments — saying he's open to the right transfer who isn't chasing a bag (let's face it, who isn't?), but also that not adding anyone the last few seasons was very intentional. He touched on how coaches can be hypocrites if their actions don't match their values, but it almost feels like he's boxed himself in. Like going to the portal now would make him feel like a hypocrite.
Marquette is still spending in NIL to keep players around, so it's not like the program is above it all. Would they lose guys if they weren't paying their recruits enough? Loyalty is valuable, but being too rigid could be what holds the team back from taking the next step. And yes, we all know that next step is so hard to achieve.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 24, 2025, 12:06:00 PMHe's made conflicting comments — saying he's open to the right transfer who isn't chasing a bag (let's face it, who isn't?), but also that not adding anyone the last few seasons was very intentional. He touched on how coaches can be hypocrites if their actions don't match their values, but it almost feels like he's boxed himself in. Like going to the portal now would make him feel like a hypocrite.
He hasn't made any conflicting comments. He's been very consistent. He will accept transfers if the situation is right.
Don't overthink it. Just take it at face value.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:36:40 AMWho was our back up pg last year?
What depth did we have on the front line?
I see major gaps in the roster coupled with low ceiling players in those spots. Hamilton is not a high major player and neither is Norman. Gold isn't a center and is forced to play that role. Sean jones hasn't played basketball in two years.
The roster has talent but also has very clear flaws. Not supplementing the current roster with an addition or two puts a low ceiling on this team.
Imagine if Sean had transferred like some here said over and over!
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 12:12:59 PMHe hasn't made any conflicting comments. He's been very consistent. He will accept transfers if the situation is right.
Don't overthink it. Just take it at face value.
The philosophy itself has merit. But saying he's open to the portal while refusing to engage in any NIL-driven recruiting does feel like a contradiction. Top transfers expect real offers. Given that, I don't see any "right situation" actually happening anytime soon.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 24, 2025, 12:43:36 PMThe philosophy itself has merit. But saying he's open to the portal while refusing to engage in any NIL-driven recruiting does feel like a contradiction. Top transfers expect real offers. Given that, I don't see any "right situation" actually happening anytime soon.
I think the bolded is what causes the most disagreements here. Too often, scoopers who hope that Shaka will bring in a transfer or two do not explain whether they would like a starter or someone willing to come in off the bench. HUGE difference in both $ and effect on Shaka's system and upon players who bought into it.
I assume that they are hoping for starters unless they say otherwise because the gist of their posts point in that direction.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 11:56:14 AMShaka - here is your shortlist. Work your coaching networks to find a player.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/top/basketball/2024/?position=pg
Avoiding the opportunity is burying your head in the sand and putting an unnecessary ceiling on a mostly talented roster with a couple of holes.
Which of the guys on that list transferred to a school to be a backup? Saying that the portal was the answer without being able to identify an available player who would actually come to be a backup and would be an upgrade is pretty meaningless.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 11:56:14 AMShaka - here is your shortlist. Work your coaching networks to find a player.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/top/basketball/2024/?position=pg
You should probably use the list for the correct year when giving recruiting advice.
With the escalating NIL budgets by booster groups at other schools, it is time to think of MU as the Brewers or Packers and simply not expect any big buck free agent signing.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 24, 2025, 01:00:26 PMWhich of the guys on that list transferred to a school to be a backup? Saying that the portal was the answer without being able to identify an available player who would actually come to be a backup and would be an upgrade is pretty meaningless.
You're the type I can't stand working with on a team setting. Always focusing on the negative, avoiding any possible problem solving and avoiding any challenging situation because it goes against the status quo.
Quote from: tower912 on April 24, 2025, 01:10:43 PMWith the escalating NIL budgets by booster groups at other schools, it is time to think of MU as the Brewers or Packers and simply not expect any big buck free agent signing.
That is a very fair and reasonable assumption.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 24, 2025, 01:01:09 PMYou should probably use the list for the correct year when giving recruiting advice.
The root of the discussion was the options of players going into last season so that is the correct list.
Either way, my point remains. If a coach at a successful program wants to find a player to improve their roster, it isn't hard to find. You need to be able to sell yourself, the program and the opportunity. Declining to do that puts a natural ceiling on your W/L record.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 24, 2025, 01:01:09 PMYou should probably use the list for the correct year when giving recruiting advice.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 01:16:57 PMThe root of the discussion was the options of players going into last season so that is the correct list.
Either way, my point remains. If a coach at a successful program wants to find a player to improve their roster, it isn't hard to find. You need to be able to sell yourself, the program and the opportunity. Declining to do that puts a natural ceiling on your W/L record.
You should talk about this more, there might be a casual user or two here who don't know your stance on this issue.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 01:16:57 PMThe root of the discussion was the options of players going into last season so that is the correct list.
Either way, my point remains. If a coach at a successful program wants to find a player to improve their roster, it isn't hard to find. You need to be able to sell yourself, the program and the opportunity. Declining to do that puts a natural ceiling on your W/L record.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 24, 2025, 01:01:09 PMYou should probably use the list for the correct year when giving recruiting advice.
Once again it actually is the correct list. We were discussing the roster makeup going into last season. Nice try though
Quote from: SaveOD238 on April 24, 2025, 10:10:05 AMI feel the same way about folks who think that the Shaka method of recruit, retain, and develop is ideal, but consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route.
The answer is somewhere in the middle. Recruit talented HS players, develop them, and supplement them with talented transfers to fill needs. Not OR, AND.
That's what Shaka did in Year 1 and Year 2. Year 3 we didn't have glaring needs so the retain and develop strategy was effective. Year 4 was proof that you need BOTH.
I knew we had a heck of a talented roster coming back last year and retained them all (WIN), but without Sean Jones it was painfully obvious we needed to fill a hole at PG and we didn't (LOSS).
We have some talented players coming back next year that form a strong core and should develop (WIN), but there's questions up front and again at PG. Right now it looks like we're taking a LOSS in that area.
Either way, both are necessary, and I don't know why it's so hard for folks on both sides to grasp that.
One or two seasons isn't proof of anything.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 01:13:49 PMYou're the type I can't stand working with on a team setting. Always focusing on the negative, avoiding any possible problem solving and avoiding any challenging situation because it goes against the status quo.
You've yet to demonstrate that your alternative was viable so I am sure you would not want me on your team.
I guess the bottom line of the portal panacea group is that Shaka is not a good enough recruiter. The team does not have enough talent. I am not sure why the sole focus is on the portal. There no doubt were better players in Europe. There were better freshmen playing somewhere. In fact, I have yet to see an MU team that could not have had better players. Even the national title team would have been better with Walter Davis. After watching Wojo for seven years, I am pretty content with Shaka. If you're not, just give up your season tickets to someone who is.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 01:36:24 PMOnce again it actually is the correct list. We were discussing the roster makeup going into last season. Nice try though
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 11:56:14 AMShaka - here is your shortlist. Work your coaching networks to find a player.
https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/top/basketball/2024/?position=pg (https://www.on3.com/transfer-portal/top/basketball/2024/?position=pg)
Quote from: tower912 on April 24, 2025, 01:10:43 PMWith the escalating NIL budgets by booster groups at other schools, it is time to think of MU as the Brewers or Packers and simply not expect any big buck free agent signing.
and expect similar results...
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 01:16:57 PMThe root of the discussion was the options of players going into last season so that is the correct list.
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I guess everyone is gonna be happy with a top 50 team next year and a middle of the pack Big East standing. That looks like the ceiling for the team next year with the present roster construction. No inside game and no standout 3 point shooting threat. I'll be waiting to see the growth and development of Hamilton and Clark ! Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised. (Doubt It)
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 01:16:57 PMThe root of the discussion was the options of players going into last season so that is the correct list.
Either way, my point remains. If a coach at a successful program wants to find a player to improve their roster, it isn't hard to find. You need to be able to sell yourself, the program and the opportunity. Declining to do that puts a natural ceiling on your W/L record.
I highly doubt having marginal upgrades to our PG and big man depth last season would have dramatically changed the outcome of the season.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 24, 2025, 02:35:31 PMand expect similar results...
Playoffs every year, whiny fans? Already there.
Quote from: drbob on April 24, 2025, 03:13:00 PMI guess everyone is gonna be happy with a top 50 team next year and a middle of the pack Big East standing. That looks like the ceiling for the team next year with the present roster construction. No inside game and no standout 3 point shooting threat. I'll be waiting to see the growth and development of Hamilton and Clark ! Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised. (Doubt It)
No one is making you watch. If it isn't going to make you happy, there are so many other things you can do to make yourself happy. You've preconditioned yourself to expect the worst next year, so I would say, don't bother. So many choices in life, don't limit yourself to things that make you sad like Marquette basketball
Quote from: drbob on April 24, 2025, 03:13:00 PMI guess everyone is gonna be happy with a top 50 team next year and a middle of the pack Big East standing. That looks like the ceiling for the team next year with the present roster construction. No inside game and no standout 3 point shooting threat. I'll be waiting to see the growth and development of Hamilton and Clark ! Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised. (Doubt It)
Shaka has never shown an ability to take what looks like a mediocre (or bad) P5 roster and overachieve. He could never be predicted to finish 9th in the BE and win the BE that season. He could never match portal maestro Rick Pitino in winning a BE regular season and tourney title in year 2 of coaching at a BE program. And when he does do those things, it's unacceptable if he loses in the second round. Rick would have that team rolling to the FF.
You're right to doubt that a roster with no portal additions under Shaka will see player improvement.
Quote from: drbob on April 24, 2025, 03:13:00 PMI guess everyone is gonna be happy with a top 50 team next year and a middle of the pack Big East standing. That looks like the ceiling for the team next year with the present roster construction. No inside game and no standout 3 point shooting threat. I'll be waiting to see the growth and development of Hamilton and Clark ! Hopefully I will be pleasantly surprised. (Doubt It)
Yeah, in Shaka's 4 lousy years at Marquette, not one player has improved under his watch to become any good.
Nick Janowski transfers to St. Thomas. Another Shaka green weenie
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 02:48:52 PM(https://cdn.dribbble.com/userupload/20513991/file/original-02dc959eabbc4466e341cbbbf2885ac2.gif)
Is that not a list of transfers available going into last season?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 24, 2025, 03:13:36 PMI highly doubt having marginal upgrades to our PG and big man depth last season would have dramatically changed the outcome of the season.
A competent big man moves gold to the wing and a back up point guard relegates Norman to mop up duty and allows Kam to play off the ball a bit more.
More depth allows us compete more on the glass as well as more competent players. I'm not sure how you argue against this given our Wojo esque collapse in the second half of the season.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 05:47:29 PMA competent big man moves gold to the wing and a back up point guard relegates Norman to mop up duty and allows Kam to play off the ball a bit more.
More depth allows us compete more on the glass as well as more competent players. I'm not sure how you argue against this given our Wojo esque collapse in the second half of the season.
No open slots after Clark was signed.
Quote from: tower912 on April 24, 2025, 05:52:55 PMNo open slots after Clark was signed.
True - and I'm on record saying it's a waste of a scholarship.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 24, 2025, 03:20:42 PMNo one is making you watch. If it isn't going to make you happy, there are so many other things you can do to make yourself happy. You've preconditioned yourself to expect the worst next year, so I would say, don't bother. So many choices in life, don't limit yourself to things that make you sad like Marquette basketball
. I probably love MU basketball more than you. Almost 60 years worth. Sorry if I strive to see them attain more success than you seem satisfied with. There are obvious weaknesses going into next year. I will root as always but will wish for more.
Quote from: drbob on April 24, 2025, 06:32:44 PMSorry if I strive to see them attain more success than you seem satisfied with.
I get so sick of this sh1t. You clearly are the only fan that wants to win a championship. I wish Shaka wanted it as badly as you.
I am sure he does!
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 06:02:27 PMTrue - and I'm on record saying it's a waste of a scholarship.
Maybe he will transfer......keep us posted.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 24, 2025, 07:24:10 PMMaybe he will transfer......keep us posted.
Before he plays, Shaka has recruited 2 zero star players, Hamilton right now needs lots of improvement to even get quality minutes, Clark showed an ability to jump and dunk, but not sure about him either. To say in 2500 kids there is not a big to help this team is ridiculous. Shaka is just stubborn. He's a smart dude, trying to figure out why he can not find a transfer, only thing I can think about this is he is expecting a big frosh class for 2025.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 24, 2025, 07:43:20 PMBefore he plays, Shaka has recruited 2 zero star players, Hamilton right now needs lots of improvement to even get quality minutes, Clark showed an ability to jump and dunk, but not sure about him either. To say in 2500 kids there is not a big to help this team is ridiculous. Shaka is just stubborn. He's a smart dude, trying to figure out why he can not find a transfer, only thing I can think about this is he is expecting a big frosh class for 2025.
What are going do about it?
Continue to bitch all summer?
Every Marquette player and coach sucks!
I know, because I'm the best Marquette fan here, and I want to win more than all y'all put together!
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 24, 2025, 07:55:11 PMWhat are going do about it?
Continue to bitch all summer?
His grandson is the second ranked 6th grade recruit in Wisconsin. Guy knows ball. I trust him to build our roster over Shaka. At least make him the program's GM.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 24, 2025, 08:16:26 PMHis grandson is the second ranked 6th grade recruit in Wisconsin. Guy knows ball. I trust him to build our roster over Shaka. At least make him the program's GM.
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Do you want to win a National Championship or not? If you're happy recruiting kids recruited by nobody that's fine. Like the 4 kids he recruited coming in, now he has back that up. If you do not see areas that they need improvement, then you do not ball. Grandson is going to start working with Travis to keep improving.
Wasn't the starting 5 of the team that just won the championship mostly unheralded recruits?
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 24, 2025, 08:34:26 PMWasn't the starting 5 of the team that just won the championship mostly unheralded recruits?
They were.
Quote from: drbob on April 24, 2025, 06:32:44 PM. I probably love MU basketball more than you. Almost 60 years worth. Sorry if I strive to see them attain more success than you seem satisfied with. There are obvious weaknesses going into next year. I will root as always but will wish for more.
You should write a letter.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 06:02:27 PMTrue - and I'm on record saying it's a waste of a scholarship.
I have never been so sure that he's going to be a star.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 24, 2025, 08:36:41 PMThey were.
They picked up a transfer who is a lottery pick, not sure I see a player on MU that will be a lottery pick next year
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 24, 2025, 08:45:39 PMThey picked up a transfer who is a lottery pick, not sure I see a player on MU that will be a lottery pick next year
You know ball so I'm sure you saw Walter Clayton averaging 7 PPG at Iona and said, "Shaka needs to get this stud or he'll win Florida a title and be a lottery pick." I'm sure you saw Kolek as an NBA player when he finished his sophomore year here. Like I said, Shaka needs to make you the GM.
Tyler was freshman of the year in the A10, so he determined he could play up from George Mason, and did. The player that was more of a great pick was Omax, no once saw that. Clayton there was college video to watch, he was being recruited by St. John's and Florida, both those coaches so something on film.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 24, 2025, 08:45:39 PMThey picked up a transfer who is a lottery pick, not sure I see a player on MU that will be a lottery pick next year
If Clayton is in the lottery, he will be a bust.
I think he'll end in the 20's.
Haugh was the real guy on that team.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 24, 2025, 08:42:39 PMI have never been so sure that he's going to be a star.
I'm on record saying I will eat my column if Hamilton turns into anything with Marquette. I will add Clark to that list as well.
A player in 2025 with no major offers out of high school will never be a HM player.
Couple that with the fact he redshirted with our sorry front line this year and I've never been so sure about anything in my life.
Every team in the final four this year played guys who had zero HM offers out of high school
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 09:58:37 PMI'm on record saying I will eat my column if Hamilton turns into anything with Marquette. I will add Clark to that list as well.
A player in 2025 with no major offers out of high school will never be a HM player.
Couple that with the fact he redshirted with our sorry front line this year and I've never been so sure about anything in my life.
Only you and I see that!
Quote from: JTJ3 on April 24, 2025, 10:07:30 PMEvery team in the final four this year played guys who had zero HM offers out of high school
Allow me to amend - he had no offers aside from ut Arlington and Sam Houston state. Not even the lows were interested in him
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 09:58:37 PMI'm on record saying I will eat my column if Hamilton turns into anything with Marquette. I will add Clark to that list as well.
A player in 2025 with no major offers out of high school will never be a HM player.
Couple that with the fact he redshirted with our sorry front line this year and I've never been so sure about anything in my life.
If they "turn into anything at Marquette".
Who gets to be the judge of "anything"? You?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 24, 2025, 10:45:36 PMIf they "turn into anything at Marquette".
Who gets to be the judge of "anything"? You?
Nope - as stated in our last conversation, you can pick.
Being unaffected by the transfer portal directly and Dauster names us a top 10 portal loser? Without watching the video assuming the SJU adds, etc putting us behind is his reference. Still lame
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/1915541272837972479?s=46&t=Lb8EYkmpy2ihHfZoXXfVgw
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on April 24, 2025, 11:03:17 PMBeing unaffected by the transfer portal directly and Dauster names us a top 10 portal loser? Without watching the video assuming the SJU adds, etc putting us behind is his reference. Still lame
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/1915541272837972479?s=46&t=Lb8EYkmpy2ihHfZoXXfVgw
Graduated an all American and two all conference performers on a team that flamed out in the second half of the season. Replacements have minimal experience to pick up the slack. Completely reasonable take.
Quote from: JTJ3 on April 24, 2025, 10:07:30 PMEvery team in the final four this year played guys who had zero HM offers out of high school
Of course the difference which you did not mention after being in the final 4 was that MU wasn't close. Shaka needs to step up to his big boy salary and get MU moving much closer to that destination. UConn, Slick Rick, Creighton, UW all highly ranked next year. MU nowhere to be found. As Tower would say, time to giddyup Shaka. Not the time to tie the horse to the post and sit in the bar talking about the glory days. Little tribute to the Boss there.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 24, 2025, 10:33:04 PMOnly you and I see that!
This should tell you something.
I love the yappy little dog energy.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 25, 2025, 05:01:36 AMOf course the difference which you did not mention after being in the final 4 was that MU wasn't close. Shaka needs to step up to his big boy salary and get MU moving much closer to that destination. UConn, Slick Rick, Creighton, UW all highly ranked next year. MU nowhere to be found. As Tower would say, time to giddyup Shaka. Not the time to tie the horse to the post and sit in the bar talking about the glory days. Little tribute to the Boss there.
Thank you
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 05:47:29 PMA competent big man moves gold to the wing and a back up point guard relegates Norman to mop up duty and allows Kam to play off the ball a bit more.
More depth allows us compete more on the glass as well as more competent players. I'm not sure how you argue against this given our Wojo esque collapse in the second half of the season.
It's not going to happen, and you can't point to players that exist in the portal to actually make it happen.
Fantasyland.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 25, 2025, 08:15:14 AMIt's not going to happen, and you can't point to players that exist in the portal to actually make it happen.
Fantasyland.
Impossible because of Shaka's obsession with taking on completely unknown project bigs which limit roster mobility when the team needs help to raise their ceiling.
An item the portal obsessives are choosing to ignore is money. Under the current system, MU'S BTD fund is not keeping up with the $8-10 million club. Again, I compare it to the Brewers or Packers. You can say you want the Brewers to sign Shohei Ohtani. But it isn't going to happen. The going rate for a 5 or even stretch 4 good enough to start ahead of Gold or Parham is 7 figures. BTD doesn't have a spare million laying around. The market exploded and BTD is struggling to keep up.
The best or most that the BTD fund could afford is a Horizon or MAC player. Remember, both Amadou and Itejere found homes in the A-10 quickly and easily. The equivalent of one of those two with a year of starting at a low major is what you are looking at.
Give me relationships and growth.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 05:47:29 PMA competent big man moves gold to the wing and a back up point guard relegates Norman to mop up duty and allows Kam to play off the ball a bit more.
More depth allows us compete more on the glass as well as more competent players. I'm not sure how you argue against this given our Wojo esque collapse in the second half of the season.
Again, the hypothetical portal big wouldn't have started. So he moves Ben to the 4 for a handful of minutes a game and then takes away minutes from Joplin and Royce? Not much of a help. Our wing depth was fine.
I'll grant you a backup PG would have allowed Kam to play off-the-ball more but it seems clear Shaka thought there was a solid chance Sean would be back and likely wanted to give Norman an opportunity.
It's fair to argue that Shaka counting on Sean was a mistake (if that indeed was the case).
I still maintain adding back-up depth at the 1 and 5 likely wouldn't have raised the team's ceiling too much.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 08:55:56 AMImpossible because of Shaka's obsession with taking on completely unknown project bigs which limit roster mobility when the team needs help to raise their ceiling.
Okay, but if you don't have proof that the system he's pursuing doesn't work, then you should probably wait for evidence that it doesn't.
Just because YOU think Hamilton and Clark won't amount to anything doesn't mean they won't. Shaka seems to have faith that they're coachable guys with size. Clark is 7'1. He hasn't played a single minute for Marquette yet, but you're ready to write him off. Hamilton red shirted and then played for less than five minutes per game... basically the minutes that most Freshman get and you're ready to write him off.
Turn off your instant gratification needs that you've been conditioned towards and accept that this is the team that we're rolling out. You don't KNOW if they're going to be good or bad until the games are played. If at the end of the year Marquette has had a bad year and Cade and Josh had no impact or negative impact I'd imagine that Shaka would change his strategy. If not, then go nuts with the criticism, because he's the coach and he owns the decision.
But right now, you don't know what next year brings, and crying about the portal endlessly as if this board had ANY control over the decision comes off as extremely silly.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 25, 2025, 08:56:31 AMAgain, the hypothetical portal big wouldn't have started. So he moves Ben to the 4 for a handful of minutes a game and then takes away minutes from Joplin and Royce? Not much of a help. Our wing depth was fine.
I'll grant you a backup PG would have allowed Kam to play off-the-ball more but it seems clear Shaka thought there was a solid choice Sean would be back and likely wanted to give Norman an opportunity.
It's fair to argue that Shaka counting on Sean was a mistake (if that indeed was the case).
I still maintain adding back-up depth at the 1 and 5 likely wouldn't have raised the team's ceiling too much.
Depth on the front line would've helped during Ben's remarkably poor stretch during conference season.
Counting on Ben at the 5 and a freshman (albeit a very talented one) to cover 37 minutes a game was always a bad plan.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 25, 2025, 09:16:12 AMOkay, but if you don't have proof that the system he's pursuing doesn't work, then you should probably wait for evidence that it doesn't.
Just because YOU think Hamilton and Clark won't amount to anything doesn't mean they won't. Shaka seems to have faith that they're coachable guys with size. Clark is 7'1. He hasn't played a single minute for Marquette yet, but you're ready to write him off. Hamilton red shirted and then played for less than five minutes per game... basically the minutes that most Freshman get and you're ready to write him off.
Turn off your instant gratification needs that you've been conditioned towards and accept that this is the team that we're rolling out. You don't KNOW if they're going to be good or bad until the games are played. If at the end of the year Marquette has had a bad year and Cade and Josh had no impact or negative impact I'd imagine that Shaka would change his strategy. If not, then go nuts with the criticism, because he's the coach and he owns the decision.
But right now, you don't know what next year brings, and crying about the portal endlessly as if this board had ANY control over the decision comes off as extremely silly.
The second half of last season is the first bit of proof of his system showing cracks. Next season will be the ultimate test.
Owens, Zaide, gold and mitchell were all banged up with jones out for the year. Amadou and Clark redshirts ate up scholarship opportunities for more pieces who can contribute while Hamilton proved every second he is on the floor he doesn't belong at this level.
Shaka fills up the back end of his roster with guys who can't contribute when additional players with college experience could push our current roster as well as supplement for the grind of a long season.
Competition breeds success.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 08:55:56 AMImpossible because of Shaka's obsession with taking on completely unknown project bigs which limit roster mobility when the team needs help to raise their ceiling.
We have scholarships available now regardless of the project bigs who you believe are a waste.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 08:55:56 AMImpossible because of Shaka's obsession with taking on completely unknown project bigs which limit roster mobility when the team needs help to raise their ceiling.
Oso was a project big.
And we havn't had a "big" as good as him in the last 18 years unless you include "jae crowder" being a 5 man.
The issue for next year team is guard play not the front court. The front court might not be "stacked" but its average to above average.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 25, 2025, 10:04:37 AMOso was a project big.
And we havn't had a "big" as good as him in the last 18 years unless you include "jae crowder" being a 5 man.
The issue for next year team is guard play not the front court. The front court might not be "stacked" but its average to above average.
If you squint hard enough, you can see the difference.
https://247sports.com/player/osasere-ighodaro-46083527/high-school-234106/
https://247sports.com/player/joshua-clark-46149207/
https://247sports.com/player/caedin-hamilton-46143024/
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 08:56:51 AMLots of groupthink here ?
Isn't groupthink a SCOOP staple?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 09:44:34 AMThe second half of last season is the first bit of proof of his system showing cracks. Next season will be the ultimate test.
Owens, Zaide, gold and mitchell were all banged up with jones out for the year. Amadou and Clark redshirts ate up scholarship opportunities for more pieces who can contribute while Hamilton proved every second he is on the floor he doesn't belong at this level.
Shaka fills up the back end of his roster with guys who can't contribute when additional players with college experience could push our current roster as well as supplement for the grind of a long season.
Competition breeds success.
Yeah, so you're just a silly person.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 09:44:34 AMThe second half of last season is the first bit of proof of his system showing cracks. Next season will be the ultimate test.
Owens, Zaide, gold and mitchell were all banged up with jones out for the year. Amadou and Clark redshirts ate up scholarship opportunities for more pieces who can contribute while Hamilton proved every second he is on the floor he doesn't belong at this level.
Shaka fills up the back end of his roster with guys who can't contribute when additional players with college experience could push our current roster as well as supplement for the grind of a long season.
Competition breeds success.
How many teams are playing with a rotation deeper than 7-8 in league play?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 09:58:37 PMI'm on record saying I will eat my column if Hamilton turns into anything with Marquette. I will add Clark to that list as well.
A player in 2025 with no major offers out of high school will never be a HM player.
Couple that with the fact he redshirted with our sorry front line this year and I've never been so sure about anything in my life.
I get a kick out of your use of terms like "major" offers and "high major" players, because you will define those terms as suits your needs. In any event, I did a quick look and I do not see that Tyson Degenhart received an offer other than Boise St. He was first team All MWC and is projected to be drafted. Is he a HM player?
Quote from: tower912 on April 25, 2025, 08:56:09 AMAn item the portal obsessives are choosing to ignore is money. Under the current system, MU'S BTD fund is not keeping up with the $8-10 million club. Again, I compare it to the Brewers or Packers. You can say you want the Brewers to sign Shohei Ohtani. But it isn't going to happen. The going rate for a 5 or even stretch 4 good enough to start ahead of Gold or Parham is 7 figures. BTD doesn't have a spare million laying around. The market exploded and BTD is struggling to keep up.
The best or most that the BTD fund could afford is a Horizon or MAC player. Remember, both Amadou and Itejere found homes in the A-10 quickly and easily. The equivalent of one of those two with a year of starting at a low major is what you are looking at.
Give me relationships and growth.
Very curious where you are getting that information, because I don't think it's true. I don't think Shaka's model is limited by what BTD can afford, I think what BTD is using on transfers is a product of Shaka's model.
I also think Broeker's email isn't indicative of the health of BTD. It's acknowledging that after the House settlement dust settles, we will likely be in a new environment where Marquette is paying players through revenue sharing, and it's letting fans know that there's no framework for that yet and they may need additional contributions under that new model.
If someone closer to BTD wants to correct this, feel free, but I feel confident saying Marquette's lack of spending in the transfer portal has very little to do with BTD's fiscal reserves and a great deal to do with Shaka's desire to build through a culture of retention that avoids both gaining new players via the portal and losing current players in the same way.
Quote from: tower912 on April 25, 2025, 08:56:09 AMAn item the portal obsessives are choosing to ignore is money. Under the current system, MU'S BTD fund is not keeping up with the $8-10 million club. Again, I compare it to the Brewers or Packers. You can say you want the Brewers to sign Shohei Ohtani. But it isn't going to happen. The going rate for a 5 or even stretch 4 good enough to start ahead of Gold or Parham is 7 figures. BTD doesn't have a spare million laying around. The market exploded and BTD is struggling to keep up.
The best or most that the BTD fund could afford is a Horizon or MAC player. Remember, both Amadou and Itejere found homes in the A-10 quickly and easily. The equivalent of one of those two with a year of starting at a low major is what you are looking at.
Give me relationships and growth.
So far, Marquette has retained its players, and as you have stated the market has exploded. My concern is in the future will there be enough money to keep our players from leaving for greener pastures. I think our current AD has those concerns as well. If BTD can only afford a MAC or Horizon player from the portal than that is what I would assume a HS recruit is being offered to play at MU. The next 2 or 3 seasons will reveal to us where the program stands nationally.
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Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 10:09:10 AMIf you squint hard enough, you can see the difference.
https://247sports.com/player/osasere-ighodaro-46083527/high-school-234106/
https://247sports.com/player/joshua-clark-46149207/
https://247sports.com/player/caedin-hamilton-46143024/
My guy loves his recruiting rankings...
Genius, check their rankings before each of them reclassified.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 25, 2025, 11:15:08 AMMy guy loves his recruiting rankings...
Genius, check their rankings before each of them reclassified.
Exactly.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 10:39:16 AMI get a kick out of your use of terms like "major" offers and "high major" players, because you will define those terms as suits your needs. In any event, I did a quick look and I do not see that Tyson Degenhart received an offer other than Boise St. He was first team All MWC and is projected to be drafted. Is he a HM player?
Very simple - teams like Boise state or many, many other programs who don't have the resources or national profile Marquette does need to take a chance on kids like degenhart because their evaluation pool is smaller.
Marquette is willingly dropping several levels below their competition recruiting kids who are unranked/un recruited or lightly recruited by low majors.
Bad example. Find a high major team who took a zero star high school recruit and turned him into an all conference player in the last 4 years.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 25, 2025, 11:15:08 AMMy guy loves his recruiting rankings...
Genius, check their rankings before each of them reclassified.
Please enlighten me
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 25, 2025, 10:32:11 AMYeah, so you're just a silly person.
I expect those insults from others here but not from someone of your stature.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2025, 10:38:46 AMHow many teams are playing with a rotation deeper than 7-8 in league play?
Short rotations = good
Short rotations = not good with multiple injuries and zero depth.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:24:03 AMShort rotations = good
Short rotations = not good with multiple injuries and zero depth.
How many teams are surviving multiple injuries to rotation players and having quality depth behind that?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:17:38 AMVery simple - teams like Boise state or many, many other programs who don't have the resources or national profile Marquette does need to take a chance on kids like degenhart because their evaluation pool is smaller.
Marquette is willingly dropping several levels below their competition recruiting kids who are unranked/un recruited or lightly recruited by low majors.
Bad example. Find a high major team who took a zero star high school recruit and turned him into an all conference player in the last 4 years.
Hahaha! I literally laughed out loud when I read your response. You get proven wrong and then try to dance out of it like a one-legged Ginger Rogers.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:23:02 AMI expect those insults from others here but not from someone of your stature.
Perhaps you should reflect why someone of his stature is insulting you. But of course that would require accurate self-reflection...
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:17:38 AMMarquette is willingly dropping several levels below their competition recruiting kids who are unranked/un recruited or lightly recruited by low majors.
Bad example. Find a high major team who took a zero star high school recruit and turned him into an all conference player in the last 4 years.
Different sport, but last night's #1 pick in the NFL draft was Cam Ward, a 0-Star recruit out of high school. It happens, rating services are flawed and kids develop.
Tyler Kolek was zero stars
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 11:31:45 AMHahaha! I literally laughed out loud when I read your response. You get proven wrong and then try to dance out of it like a one-legged Ginger Rogers.
I guess you're right if you think Marquette and Boise state are on the same level. That would be a sad state of affairs.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:17:38 AMVery simple - teams like Boise state or many, many other programs who don't have the resources or national profile Marquette does need to take a chance on kids like degenhart because their evaluation pool is smaller.
Marquette is willingly dropping several levels below their competition recruiting kids who are unranked/un recruited or lightly recruited by low majors.
Bad example. Find a high major team who took a zero star high school recruit and turned him into an all conference player in the last 4 years.
Alijah Martin was just the second leading scorer on the national championship team and was a 0 star recruit.
The national title game is full of 3 star guys you would've wanted Shaka to cut before they ever had a chance to develop.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 25, 2025, 12:00:24 PMAlijah Martin was just the second leading scorer on the national championship team and was a 0 star recruit.
The national title game is full of 3 star guys you would've wanted Shaka to cut before they ever had a chance to develop.
And how many of those players started at those programs?
The portal is great because you can identify players already succeeding in college.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 12:03:20 PMAnd how many of those players started at those programs?
The portal is great because you can identify players already succeeding in college.
And you can lose players already succeeding in college.
Condon, Haugh, Aberdeen were all 3 stars that started at Florida. Sharp, Roberts, Arceneaux were all 3 stars that started at Houston. You would've bitched that Shaka didn't want to win if these guys were on Marquette's roster.
Guys, all Panda wants to do is complain and argue. It's why he was perma-banned. It's why he shifts the goalposts in his arguments. Regardless of how the season went or what offseason moves Shaka may have made, he would have found something to complain about and then argued with anyone who would respond to him. He's proved he has a low understanding of the game, he's proved that his sources at MU are either bad or made up, just let him yell at some clouds.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:23:02 AMI expect those insults from others here but not from someone of your stature.
Well you're just being silly. You're making conclusions about players that you've seen limited minutes from who are underclassmen.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 25, 2025, 11:41:47 AMPerhaps you should reflect why someone of his stature is insulting you. But of course that would require accurate self-reflection...
I'm only 5'10 :(
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:53:46 AMI guess you're right if you think Marquette and Boise state are on the same level. That would be a sad state of affairs.
You don't think Tyson Degenhart was a high major player. I will keep that in mind when considering your other basketball-related statements.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 11:17:38 AMVery simple - teams like Boise state or many, many other programs who don't have the resources or national profile Marquette does need to take a chance on kids like degenhart because their evaluation pool is smaller.
Marquette is willingly dropping several levels below their competition recruiting kids who are unranked/un recruited or lightly recruited by low majors.
Bad example. Find a high major team who took a zero star high school recruit and turned him into an all conference player in the last 4 years.
Come on. Shaka has 15 scholarships to play with. His rotation is usually 9-10 guys and typically shrinks to 7-8 towards the end of the season and tourney time.
Taking some project bigs and redshirting them makes a ton of sense from a strategic standpoint.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 09:58:37 PMI'm on record saying I will eat my column if Hamilton turns into anything with Marquette. I will add Clark to that list as well.
Your exact words were "significant contributor." And then, when pressed, you used unrealistic stats to define "significant contributor" - stats that future NBAers such as Oso nor OMax never came close to at Marquette.
So again, you're really making quite a statement by saying you'll eat your "column" if Hamilton and Clark don't exceed Oso's production. Big risk!
Tell you what - I'll print this out and eat it if Tre Norman is a significant contributor** next season.
(**significant contributor is defined as averaging 14 points and 7 assists. So what if Kam Jones, Mark Sears and Walter Clayton Jr. didn't do that for their teams? I get to choose whatever definition I want!)
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 25, 2025, 11:07:05 AMSo far, Marquette has retained its players, and as you have stated the market has exploded. My concern is in the future will there be enough money to keep our players from leaving for greener pastures. I think our current AD has those concerns as well. If BTD can only afford a MAC or Horizon player from the portal than that is what I would assume a HS recruit is being offered to play at MU. The next 2 or 3 seasons will reveal to us where the program stands nationally.
NIL is a slow motion train wreck that will likely look different several years from now. It is not a sustainable model and will probably be modified.
I am not concerned where MU is nationally in 2 or 3 years. The administration is fully supportive of the program and we are hardly alone. The hand wringing over using the portal(or not) is ridiculous.
I trust Shaka and Broker know what they are doing. They are making the best decisions with what we have as a program.
Shaka is handling his projects exactly like he should. Bring them in early, redshirt them, try to develop them, give them limited minutes. If they have potential, keep them in the program for a second year of potentially limited minutes, or a bigger role. After that year, if they still don't seem up to the task then have the honest conversation that moving a level down might be best (Keeyan, Al). If players 8, 9, 10 are those projects? Big problem. 12 and 13? No problem at all.
Panda saying having guys 12 and 13 being projects hurt our chances when rotation pieces got banged up down the stretch of the season is hilarious. Nobody in the portal that should get high major minutes is coming to Marquette to be the 12th and 13th guy in case someone in rotation spots 1-8 get hurt and everyone gets to bump up a spot.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 25, 2025, 12:11:29 PMAnd you can lose players already succeeding in college.
Condon, Haugh, Aberdeen were all 3 stars that started at Florida. Sharp, Roberts, Arceneaux were all 3 stars that started at Houston. You would've bitched that Shaka didn't want to win if these guys were on Marquette's roster.
Condon was an nba global academy kid.
Haugh had multiple high major offers
Aberdeen also had multiple HM offers.
Sharp also had multiple HM offers.
Roberts also had multiple HM offers.
Arceneaux was a 4 start with multiple HM offers.
Absolutely nothing similar to the stature of player such as Hamilton, Clark etc.
Swing and a miss !
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 25, 2025, 12:49:01 PMCome on. Shaka has 15 scholarships to play with. His rotation is usually 9-10 guys and typically shrinks to 7-8 towards the end of the season and tourney time.
Taking some project bigs and redshirting them makes a ton of sense for a strategic standpoint.
It doesn't make sense when there is zero roster mobility for current team needs.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 25, 2025, 12:15:14 PMGuys, all Panda wants to do is complain and argue. It's why he was perma-banned. It's why he shifts the goalposts in his arguments. Regardless of how the season went or what offseason moves Shaka may have made, he would have found something to complain about and then argued with anyone who would respond to him. He's proved he has a low understanding of the game, he's proved that his sources at MU are either bad or made up, just let him yell at some clouds.
When did I complain the two seasons previous to this one? All of the receipts are saved and available. Please show me.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 01:53:19 PMCondon was an nba global academy kid.
Haugh had multiple high major offers
Aberdeen also had multiple HM offers.
Sharp also had multiple HM offers.
Roberts also had multiple HM offers.
Arceneaux was a 4 start with multiple HM offers.
Absolutely nothing similar to the stature of player such as Hamilton, Clark etc.
Swing and a miss !
So when you said, "Who were the 3 stars that started at those schools?" you didn't really want the answer to that huh?
You are right on Arceneaux though. I was wrong on him, not sure why I thought he was a 3 star recruit.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 12:45:50 PMYou don't think Tyson Degenhart was a high major player. I will keep that in mind when considering your other basketball-related statements.
No - he turned into a high quality player because of the opportunities afforded to him playing at a lower quality school. Marquette cannot offer that opportunity to similarly unheralded recruits to play 70% of the mins their freshman year.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 25, 2025, 02:00:03 PMSo when you said, "Who were the 3 stars that started at those schools?" you didn't really want the answer to that huh?
You are right on Arceneaux though. I was wrong on him, not sure why I thought he was a 3 star recruit.
Question - does 247 give out 1 and 2 star rankings? Because the players we both parsed out from Houston and Florida were in a different stratosphere recruiting wise out of HS than the mu "3 stars"
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 01:53:19 PMCondon was an nba global academy kid.
If you're going to use this as an example of touting a young man's potential then I think you might be interested in where Gold came from
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 23, 2025, 07:27:24 PMViper wants us to be more like Wisco........recruit over players for the next best thing coming down the line.
...Just win meaningful games in late March. Then again, what Bo Ryan did at Wisconsin, yes please.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 02:03:13 PMNo - he turned into a high quality player because of the opportunities afforded to him playing at a lower quality school. Marquette cannot offer that opportunity to similarly unheralded recruits to play 70% of the mins their freshman year.
Isn't that the point? He wasn't highly recruited and became a high quality player D-1 player. Your belief that players improve primarily based on game minutes also is wrong but once again quite telling.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 23, 2025, 06:58:14 PMWhy wouldn't they return?
unfortunately, and imo, you are correct
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 24, 2025, 08:29:12 AMI like how Shaka is doing it and he's more than earned the right to continue with this approach. I'm also not anti-portal if Shaka wanted or needed to use it.
What continually frustrates me is most of the people who really think he should be using the portal much more consistently don't acknowledge the potential risks and negatives of going that route, which are numerous.
status quo Marquette?...or take a chance, adapt, do things differently Marquette? Might fail. Might win big.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 25, 2025, 02:33:28 PMIf you're going to use this as an example of touting a young man's potential then I think you might be interested in where Gold came from
I'm well aware. And he's not the topic of conversation here. Ben's talent level coming in as a freshman is commiserate with the level I expect for Marquette.
Clark/hamilton not so much
Quote from: tower912 on April 24, 2025, 01:10:43 PMWith the escalating NIL budgets by booster groups at other schools, it is time to think of MU as the Brewers or Packers and simply not expect any big buck free agent signing.
$ no matta to GB. Pack can compete with any other team due to the NFL salary cap. Same w/the Bucks. Brewers/MLB the better analogy. College sports need some form of regs around NIL or midmajors are pretty much toast at some point. Or, MU becomes a mid.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 25, 2025, 10:38:46 AMHow many teams are playing with a rotation deeper than 7-8 in league play?
few. And going with our top 7-8? We should win some games come late March in what, the CBI? Crown?
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:03:18 PMfew. And going with our top 7-8? We should win some games come late March in what, the CBI? Crown?
Your RED BIL has been texting you a lot lately, I see.
Cool. More practice and game reps for the young guys.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 02:37:41 PMIsn't that the point? He wasn't highly recruited and became a high quality player D-1 player. Your belief that players improve primarily based on game minutes also is wrong but once again quite telling.
No - the point is Marquette should never be on the same recruiting level as Boise state.
What a terrible example
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:03:18 PMfew. And going with our top 7-8? We should win some games come late March in what, the CBI? Crown?
Maybe Shaka can show them some game film of the epic Jim Chones-Lew Alcindor matchups
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 25, 2025, 12:15:14 PMGuys, all Panda wants to do is complain and argue. It's why he was perma-banned. It's why he shifts the goalposts in his arguments. Regardless of how the season went or what offseason moves Shaka may have made, he would have found something to complain about and then argued with anyone who would respond to him. He's proved he has a low understanding of the game, he's proved that his sources at MU are either bad or made up, just let him yell at some clouds.
actually, Panda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March. Tower, apparently yourself, and others, seem fine flying from point A to point B as is. Panda, myself and others, want more, and feel more can be done, are not sure why some players that would appear to be mediocre at best were recruited here, see how the game...and the recruiting dynamic has changed, and prefer MU plot a slightly different route. As my old flight instructor would teach...we want to go here...how you want to get there?
I believe that MU can get to the promised land via Shaka's template.
2025-2027 will be very telling if Shaka can find the right guys out of high school to get to that level
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:12:56 PMactually, Panda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March. Tower, apparently yourself, and others, seem fine flying from point A to point B as is. Panda, myself and others, want more, and feel more can be done, are not sure why some players that would appear to be mediocre at best were recruited here, see how the game...and the recruiting dynamic has changed, and prefer MU plot a slightly different route. As my old flight instructor would teach...we want to go here...how you want to get there?
From a post by you 3 days ago:
back from a Rocky ruler-across-the-hands slap. Miss me? Tower, wake up. No holes to fill? A roster of mediocrity and no holes to fill?
Swap out the entire dang roster!! No holes to fill? You can't be serious???? Gonna run with returnees and 3star HS boys? Should go well vs StJ's. Talk about absurd. Mediocrity is smacking you upside the noggan. Wake up!
Is this the "slightly different route" you have in mind?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 01:55:28 PMIt doesn't make sense when there is zero roster mobility for current team needs.
What the hell are you talking about? Even with our projects we have two open spots.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 25, 2025, 03:22:58 PMIs this the "slightly different route" you have in mind?
Yep, if the plane isn't the way you want, crash it.
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:12:56 PMPanda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March.
So does everyone here dumbass.
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:12:56 PMactually, Panda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March. Tower, apparently yourself, and others, seem fine flying from point A to point B as is. Panda, myself and others, want more, and feel more can be done, are not sure why some players that would appear to be mediocre at best were recruited here, see how the game...and the recruiting dynamic has changed, and prefer MU plot a slightly different route. As my old flight instructor would teach...we want to go here...how you want to get there?
Saying you want more than other fans that don't share the same views on using the portal is ludicrous.
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 02:48:07 PMstatus quo Marquette?...or take a chance, adapt, do things differently Marquette? Might fail. Might win big.
As of today, no need to fix what isn't broken.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 25, 2025, 04:31:48 PMSaying you want more than other fans that don't share the same views on using the portal is ludicrous.
Just another day.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 03:08:48 PMNo - the point is Marquette should never be on the same recruiting level as Boise state.
What a terrible example
Boise State recruits a kid with no other offers who becomes a high D-1 quality player but you wouldn't want him because all the high major schools missed on him. Similarly, if Shaka recruits a player without other high major offers who becomes a high level D-1 player, you don't want him. I sure can see why my example is terrible and your Lloyd Christmas logic is rock solid.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 05:05:24 PMBoise State recruits a kid with no other offers who becomes a high D-1 quality player but you wouldn't want him because all the high major schools missed on him. Similarly, if Shaka recruits a player without other high major offers who becomes a high level D-1 player, you don't want him. I sure can see why my example is terrible and your Lloyd Christmas logic is rock solid.
I'm not sure if I'm completely missing your point but here we are -
Marquette should never be in the same recruiting pool as Boise state. It's great they found an unbanked recruit and he turned into an nba prospect. Those types of players 1. Don't grow on trees and 2. Are rarely/if ever ready to contribute at a level above what the Mwc is.
Marquette earned a 2 seed to of the last three seasons. Without looking, I would guess the best seed Boise received in the last 10 years is an 8 seed. Boise isn't in the same stratosphere as Marquette.
They can afford to take risks on unheralded players. If Marquette wants to maintain their stature built in the last five seasons, they cannot afford to take those risks.
Great for Boise that it turned out for degenhart and he stayed for all four years. For every degenhart there are 10 Caedin hamilton's and Keeyan's. The juice isn't worth the squeeze when there are present roster needs to stay competitive.
Quote from: Viper on April 25, 2025, 03:12:56 PMactually, Panda wants MU to win meaningful games in late March. Tower, apparently yourself, and others, seem fine flying from point A to point B as is. Panda, myself and others, want more, and feel more can be done, are not sure why some players that would appear to be mediocre at best were recruited here, see how the game...and the recruiting dynamic has changed, and prefer MU plot a slightly different route. As my old flight instructor would teach...we want to go here...how you want to get there?
Thanks viper - it's always good to have another level headed thoughtful Marquette fan in my corner.
I must be taking crazy pills here. There's people hurling unnecessary insults, pedants pedanting and some guy asking why we can't recruit the same type of players as Boise state.
All I want is for a couple experienced roster pieces to maintain the level of expectation Shaka has built over the last few years.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 06:26:07 PMThanks viper - it's always good to have another level headed thoughtful Marquette fan in my corner.
Yes...that's it.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 06:32:49 PMThere's people hurling unnecessary insults
Agree. Some Scoopers claiming they want to win more than other Scoopers do - with some even suggesting they want to win more than Shaka does - is pretty damn insulting and unnecessary.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 06:32:49 PMAll I want is for a couple experienced roster pieces to maintain the level of expectation Shaka has built over the last few years.
How did Shaka build these successful rosters over the last few years?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 25, 2025, 01:33:56 PMRe: NIL Money - Post # 208
Fieldhouse Flyer - what I really want to know is what your opinions are regarding the portal system and whether or not Shaka made a mistake by not taking any transfers in to improve the team. Please post in the 2025 Transfer Portal thread. Thanks!
My considered opinion is that the portal system, in its present unlimited incarnation, sucks more than anything else in college basketball. I also believe that Shaka made a very serious mistake by not taking any transfers to improve the team. To wit:
The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
QuoteThere are at least 8 teams that will have a $10,000,000+ roster in college basketball next season, per @247Sports sources. Eight will prove to be too thin a crowd for college basketball's $10 million club. Based on a variety of sources, schools believed to be operating in the realm of this golden tier are:
Arkansas
BYU
Duke
Indiana
Kentucky
Louisville
Michigan
North Carolina
St. John's
Texas Tech
These programs either have $10 million committed already or are easily capable of reaching that total in roster-building efforts by the end of this year's transfer cycle. They are 2025's whales of the portal, loading up on most of the priciest players and drastically inflating the market in the process.
There's another group of schools a rung below this. Don't cry for these guys, as they're still hitting at least a hearty $8 million if required. This includes (but is not exclusive to) Auburn, Connecticut, Florida, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Miami, Purdue, Tennessee, Texas, UCLA, USC, Villanova, and Virginia
2025 Transfer Basketball Team Rankings (https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferteamrankings/) – CBS / 247Sports – updated Friday April 25, 2025
Quote1. St. John's
8. Creighton
23. Providence
25. Georgetown
28. Xavier
37. UConn
39. Butler
53. Villanova
77. Seton Hall
83. DePaul
Ten of the eleven Big East teams have improved their rosters through portal acquisitions. Unfortunately, Shaka is the odd man out, which may come back to bite Marquette next season.
MARQUETTE GOLDEN EAGLES 5-YEAR ROSTER (https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/marquette) – Verbal Commits
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 25, 2025, 08:07:37 PMMy considered opinion is that the portal system, in its present unlimited incarnation, sucks more than anything else in college basketball. I also believe that Shaka made a very serious mistake by not taking any transfers to improve the team. To wit:
The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
2025 Transfer Basketball Team Rankings (https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferteamrankings/) – CBS / 247Sports – updated Friday April 25, 2025
Ten of the eleven Big East teams have improved their rosters through portal acquisitions. Unfortunately, Shaka is the odd man out, which may come back to bite Marquette next season.
MARQUETTE GOLDEN EAGLES 5-YEAR ROSTER (https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/marquette) – Verbal Commits
Dayton sucks
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 25, 2025, 08:01:17 PMHow did Shaka build these successful rosters over the last few years?
Steve Dub.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 25, 2025, 08:01:17 PMHow did Shaka build these successful rosters over the last few years?
Transfers
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 06:25:22 PMI'm not sure if I'm completely missing your point but here we are -
Marquette should never be in the same recruiting pool as Boise state. It's great they found an unbanked recruit and he turned into an nba prospect. Those types of players 1. Don't grow on trees and 2. Are rarely/if ever ready to contribute at a level above what the Mwc is.
Marquette earned a 2 seed to of the last three seasons. Without looking, I would guess the best seed Boise received in the last 10 years is an 8 seed. Boise isn't in the same stratosphere as Marquette.
They can afford to take risks on unheralded players. If Marquette wants to maintain their stature built in the last five seasons, they cannot afford to take those risks.
Great for Boise that it turned out for degenhart and he stayed for all four years. For every degenhart there are 10 Caedin hamilton's and Keeyan's. The juice isn't worth the squeeze when there are present roster needs to stay competitive.
The issue is whether Shaka can assess talent and assess the trajectory of talent. You're effectively saying he can't. You need the confirmation of another high major coach extending an offer to believe that Shaka's assessment is correct. If Shaka recruited the kid who went to Boise state and he turned into an All BE player, you'd be upset because the kid didn't have other offers. You ignore that other high major coaches regularly make mistakes in recruiting. Bo Ryan and Dick Bennett often recruited relatively unheralded players and had programs that were better than MU's. Bill Colfield recruited all sorts of guys with lots of high major offers and he wasn't nearly as successful as Bennett or Ryan. In any event, you should just follow another team that lives in the portal. MU doesn't so you won't be happy.
BTW, how much did you give to MU's NIL fund? Just wanted to get a handle on the depth of your convictions.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 08:12:29 PMTransfers
Where did Kam transfer from?
Jop? Stevie? Oso?
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 25, 2025, 08:07:37 PMMy considered opinion is that the portal system, in its present unlimited incarnation, sucks more than anything else in college basketball. I also believe that Shaka made a very serious mistake by not taking any transfers to improve the team. To wit:
The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
2025 Transfer Basketball Team Rankings (https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/transferteamrankings/) – CBS / 247Sports – updated Friday April 25, 2025
Ten of the eleven Big East teams have improved their rosters through portal acquisitions. Unfortunately, Shaka is the odd man out, which may come back to bite Marquette next season.
MARQUETTE GOLDEN EAGLES 5-YEAR ROSTER (https://www.verbalcommits.com/schools/marquette) – Verbal Commits
Nobody cares. You should worry more about Dayton missing the Tournament.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 08:39:20 PMThe issue is whether Shaka can assess talent and assess the trajectory of talent. You're effectively saying he can't. You need the confirmation of another high major coach extending an offer to believe that Shaka's assessment is correct. If Shaka recruited the kid who went to Boise state and he turned into an All BE player, you'd be upset because the kid didn't have other offers. You ignore that other high major coaches regularly make mistakes in recruiting. Bo Ryan and Dick Bennett often recruited relatively unheralded players and had programs that were better than MU's. Bill Colfield recruited all sorts of guys with lots of high major offers and he wasn't nearly as successful as Bennett or Ryan. In any event, you should just follow another team that lives in the portal. MU doesn't so you won't be happy.
BTW, how much did you give to MU's NIL fund? Just wanted to get a handle on the depth of your convictions.
Should Marquette recruit from the same pool as Boise state?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 09:13:00 PMShould Marquette recruit from the same pool as Boise state?
But you want us to hit the portal for guys that we are way above recruiting in the same pool as the schools they're at.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 25, 2025, 08:39:20 PMIn any event, you should just follow another team that lives in the portal. MU doesn't so you won't be happy.
BTW, how much did you give to MU's NIL fund? Just wanted to get a handle on the depth of your convictions.
Waiting to see if there is a response to your suggestion and question.
I saw 5 unread pages in this thread and I thought to myself "wow there must've been a lot of activity/movement today in the portal"
.... Then I read a bunch of stuff about Boise St
Caedin is a unique case. He was originally a 2024 recruit and was a late bloomer. He was a 3-star in the 2024 class. When players reclassify in the middle of the summer, recruiting services often don't update their profiles with where they rank in their new class. That's how Caedin became a 0-star. According to Ben Steele, Caedin had official visit offers from Gonzaga and Colorado. According to Caedin's high school coach, he was getting recruited by several Big 10 and PAC 12 (RIP) programs.
I don't know if Caedin will ever become a high-major player. I do believe he has high major passing ability for a big. I think he could become a decent rebounder and shot blocker. But that offense is...woof. He can draw fouls, but not much else.
I'm certainly not against the transfer portal. But I don't think having Caedin Hamilton on the roster has much to do with the transfer portal.
I'm okay with not being in the portal this season. Current reports are that 2,320 players have entered the portal. That's a new record from last season's reported 2,083. It's a new record despite an abnormally large senior class exhausting his eligibility due to this being (mostly) the last year of the COVID years (And to keep JayBee from pointing it out some of the record 2,320 are seniors who have exhausted their eligibility and are hoping for a waiver to be allowed a 9th year or whatever we're up to now). This means that a ton of teams have a lot of holes to fill, but there are fewer quality players in the portal because most of those COVID seniors are gone. To illustrate this point, Al Amadou is currently tied as the 353rd best transfer according to 247. Isaiah Abraham who barely played at UConn is tied for 293rd. These rankings aren't perfect of course, but it shows that there are likely only maybe 200ish high-major ready players in the portal right now. So, 75ish high-major and top mid-major teams are competing for 200ish high-major ready transfers. And most of those teams are hoping for three or more. Hell, Indiana, UCF, Iowa, Maryland, and Xavier have already combined for 42 transfers between the five of them.
This creates a basic supply and demand issue. High-major teams need more transfers than ever before, but there are fewer high-major-ready transfers available. This is going to result in non-high-major players demanding high-major levels of compensation and high-major teams relying on non-high major players for significant minutes.
The transfer market is nuts right now. I think it will get settled in the next few seasons.
The $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
QuoteThere are at least 8 teams that will have a $10,000,000+ roster in college basketball next season, per @247Sports sources.
Arkansas
BYU
Duke
Indiana
Kentucky
Louisville
Michigan
North Carolina
St. John's
Texas Tech
These programs either have $10 million committed already or are easily capable of reaching that total in roster-building efforts by the end of this year's transfer cycle. They are 2025's whales of the portal, loading up on most of the priciest players and drastically inflating the market in the process.
There's another group of schools hitting at least a hearty $8 million if required. This includes Auburn, Connecticut, Florida, Houston, Kansas, Kansas State, Miami, Purdue, Tennessee, Texas, UCLA, USC, Villanova, and Virginia
College basketball rankings: Transfer class fuels St. John's rise to No. 2 (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-transfer-class-fuels-st-johns-rise-to-no-2-as-unc-falls-from-top-25-and-1/) - Gary Parrish, CBS Sports - April 24, 2025
Quote2. St. John's
This ranking is based on the Red Storm returning one of the top two scorers -- specifically Zuby Ejiofor -- from a team that finished 31-5 and advanced to the second round of the 2025 NCAA Tournament. That core will be joined by a recruiting class highlighted by North Carolina transfer Ian Jackson, Providence transfer Bryce Hopkins, Arizona State transfer Joson Sanon, Cincinnati transfer Dillon Mitchell, Stanford transfer Oziyah Sellers and international prospect Imran Suljanovic.
4. UConn
This ranking is based on the Huskies returning four of the top seven scorers -- specifically Solo Ball, Alex Karaban, Tarris Reed and Jaylin Stewart -- from a team that finished 24-11 and advanced to the second round of the 2025 NCAA Tournament. That core will be joined by a recruiting class highlighted by Georgia transfer Silas Demary Jr., Dayton transfer Malachi Smith, five-star freshman Braylon Mullins and four-star freshman Eric Reibe.
Big money buys good players.
It always has. Right now, big money is buying mediocre players. I think the pieces to be successful are already on the MU roster.
Thank you, TAMU, for the reminder about Hamilton's high school rank, suitors, and that Shaka swooped in and talked him out of a year at prep school.
Thank you for the perspective on talent available in the portal. Amadou is ranked in the top 20%. Would he have seen the floor next season?
If Josh Clark had gone to Sam Houston State, averaged 7/5, and entered the portal, would MU be able to win a bidding war to get him?
How about Royce? Ben?
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 26, 2025, 05:44:24 AMThe $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
College basketball rankings: Transfer class fuels St. John's rise to No. 2 (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-transfer-class-fuels-st-johns-rise-to-no-2-as-unc-falls-from-top-25-and-1/) - Gary Parrish, CBS Sports - April 24, 2025
Big money buys good players.
Dayton sucks
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 25, 2025, 08:53:56 PMWhere did Kam transfer from?
Jop? Stevie? Oso?
Mostly Wojo.
Omax, Kolek, Morsell?
Quote from: DoctorV on April 25, 2025, 11:27:24 PMI saw 5 unread pages in this thread and I thought to myself "wow there must've been a lot of activity/movement today in the portal"
.... Then I read a bunch of stuff about Boise St
No suggestions of who Marquette should target or should have targeted in this portal cycle
Quote from: tower912 on April 26, 2025, 07:33:17 AMThank you, TAMU, for the reminder about Hamilton's high school rank, suitors, and that Shaka swooped in and talked him out of a year at prep school.
Thank you for the perspective on talent available in the portal. Amadou is ranked in the top 20%. Would he have seen the floor next season?
If Josh Clark had gone to Sam Houston State, averaged 7/5, and entered the portal, would MU be able to win a bidding war to get him?
How about Royce? Ben?
Shaka wouldn't have tried to get Josh if he would have gone to SH state, he would've just recruited a different project big.
Royce nope, he would have fetched a lot if he entered the portal this off season.
That's the best part of Shaka's system- quality players have been sticking around year in and year out.
The Parham/Owens combo recruitment is probably going to be one of the most important in Shaka's tenure at Marquette.
It would be really great if both of those guys became very good BE players because we likely get 3 more seasons of them.
As for Clark/Hamilton- the way I look at that is that if 1 of those 2 becomes a starting level BE player- Ben Gold quality or better- then it's fine if the other is a solid role player backup 5 for a few seasons. Completely different body types and uses at that position and both will be needed at different times if serviceable.
My money would be on Clark becoming a BE quality starter and Caedin a solid backup giving 10-12mpg.
If neither reach that Ben Gold type level then whoops, hopefully Sheek comes aboard?
Is he more of a 4 or a 5?
Now, if Clark becomes an Oso type quality player then Shaka will be cooking.
I really hope Clark can figure out defensive positioning/not getting lost and not fouling because his length can really play in Shaka's system
I see the long term floors of Clark and Hamilton as Burke and Ooze. I think both have higher ceilings than their respective comps.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2025, 08:03:20 AMNo suggestions of who Marquette should target or should have targeted in this portal cycle
Not from me. I've found comfort in the idea that I won't hear any Marquette portal news, and if I do it'll be a pleasant surprise.
I just more-so wonder who Rick and guys like Rick are picking up for next year, because it's a long offseason
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 26, 2025, 08:03:20 AMNo suggestions of who Marquette should target or should have targeted in this portal cycle
Just whining from the typical chicken-littles.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 26, 2025, 08:09:35 AMJust whining from the typical chicken-littles.
I don't disagree with the general point. It's fine to augment the roster with the portal but Marquette isn't going from Shaka's creed, for better or worse. He isn't portaling over players.
That also means he isn't going to get top transfers. Those guys want the bag and minutes. Until players start portaling out, people will just have to stamp their feet.
If you want to see massive roster overhaul, you might as well cheer for this year to be a colossal failure and force a reevaluation.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on April 26, 2025, 05:44:24 AMThe $10 million club: College basketball's portal recruiting hits unthinkable levels of financial chaos (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/the-10-million-club-college-basketballs-portal-recruiting-hits-unthinkable-levels-of-financial-chaos/) - CBS Sports – April 17, 2025
College basketball rankings: Transfer class fuels St. John's rise to No. 2 (https://www.cbssports.com/college-basketball/news/college-basketball-rankings-transfer-class-fuels-st-johns-rise-to-no-2-as-unc-falls-from-top-25-and-1/) - Gary Parrish, CBS Sports - April 24, 2025
Big money buys good players.
you donating the exta 3 million dollars they waste getting Aidan Mahaney and Joson Sanon who don't defender at all?
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 07:55:54 AMMostly Wojo.
Omax, Kolek, Morsell?
Year 1 to field a team......not Shaka's long term approach obviously. Its not that hard to understand really.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 25, 2025, 01:20:59 PMNIL is a slow motion train wreck that will likely look different several years from now. It is not a sustainable model and will probably be modified.
I am not concerned where MU is nationally in 2 or 3 years. The administration is fully supportive of the program and we are hardly alone. The hand wringing over using the portal(or not) is ridiculous.
I trust Shaka and Broker know what they are doing. They are making the best decisions with what we have as a program.
It has nothing to do with the portal. The question is will Marquette have the financial resources to compensate our athletes at the same level as other high major programs. No one knows the answer to that as of now, not even our AD.
I did a little research last night that really surprised me and I'm not saying my research is 100% accurate.
At this point, the three Big East players with the most career games entering 2025-26 are Alex Karaban (111), Ben Gold (107) and Chase Ross (102). Josh Dix, who is transferring to Creighton from Iowa has (97). Karaban is deciding whether he is coming back as he redshirted as a freshman.
Last year the Big East had a number of players who were 23, 24 and 25 years old who ended up playing 140-169 career games. Diarra (169), Kalkbrenner (169), Ashworth (167) were the top 3. Karaban could approach 150 if he comes back.
What I'm alluding to is that 2024-25 was a different animal with experience and physical maturity. Marquette will now be on par with almost every school in the Big East next year with age and experience.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 26, 2025, 08:40:15 AMYear 1 to field a team......not Shaka's long term approach obviously. Its not that hard to understand really.
Care to address Kolek and omax?
Seems like two consecutive 2 seeds is just a minor detail to overlook.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 09:01:20 AMCare to address Kolek and omax?
Seems like two consecutive 2 seeds is just a minor detail to overlook.
I already did.......shaka needed players to field a team and he went and got these two.
As you have seen, he has not and apparently is not going out and looking for transfers who just completed their freshman year of bball. You can keep shouting from the mountaintops that this is the only way to do it.......Shaka believes otherwise.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 26, 2025, 09:12:20 AMI already did.......shaka needed players to field a team and he went and got these two.
As you have seen, he has not and apparently is not going out and looking for transfers who just completed their freshman year of bball. You can keep shouting from the mountaintops that this is the only way to do it.......Shaka believes otherwise.
That's a very odd way of glossing over a very successful span of Marquette history.
Hey - I'll use your logic with this team. Shaka just needs a big to field a team, he went and got one and it significantly raised the ceiling of this team.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 09:32:17 AMThat's a very odd way of glossing over a very successful span of Marquette history.
Hey - I'll use your logic with this team. Shaka just needs a big to field a team, he went and got one and it significantly raised the ceiling of this team.
Since we haven't seen Clark play one minute....unlike you I will reserve judgment on if the kid can contribute over the next several years. Writing him off before he steps on the court....now that is odd.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 25, 2025, 03:44:19 PMSo does everyone here dumbass.
seriously? Harsh...and probably not something you'd say in person. I'm cool with disagreement, but not that.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 26, 2025, 08:56:33 AMIt has nothing to do with the portal. The question is will Marquette have the financial resources to compensate our athletes at the same level as other high major programs. No one knows the answer to that as of now, not even our AD.
what do you think is causing the issue??? The portal
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 25, 2025, 04:33:07 PMAs of today, no need to fix what isn't broken.
so, last season was ok? Pick up this fall where things left off? 🤔
Quote from: tower912 on April 25, 2025, 04:41:59 PMJust another day.
...in your world of participation trophy mediocrity
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 25, 2025, 08:01:17 PMHow did Shaka build these successful rosters over the last few years?
2024-25 season a team success? Won +20. Made the ncaa tourney...so all good?
Quote from: MU82 on April 25, 2025, 07:18:42 PMAgree. Some Scoopers claiming they want to win more than other Scoopers do - with some even suggesting they want to win more than Shaka does - is pretty damn insulting and unnecessary.
your acceptance of 'what is' is insulting.
Quote from: Viper on April 26, 2025, 10:02:49 AM2024-25 season a team success? Won +20. Made the ncaa tourney...so all good?
Nope....wholesale changes are the only answer.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 26, 2025, 09:47:53 AMSince we haven't seen Clark play one minute....unlike you I will reserve judgment on if the kid can contribute over the next several years. Writing him off before he steps on the court....now that is odd.
The fact he couldn't help with out front line situation as it was this year tells me all I need to know about him.
Nigel James is going to be a stud and I expect him to push and ultimately start over Sean. We're still missing that piece in the middle to match up with zuby, Reed, freeman/mcandrew, sorber etc.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 10:09:03 AMThe fact he couldn't help with out front line situation as it was this year tells me all I need to know about him.
Nigel James is going to be a stud and I expect him to push and ultimately start over Sean. We're still missing that piece in the middle to match up with zuby, Reed, freeman/mcandrew, sorber etc.
Sean is transferring.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 25, 2025, 09:13:00 PMShould Marquette recruit from the same pool as Boise state?
If MU gets good players, guys that develop into good players, and wins, why should I care? MU was in the doldrums when Shaka arrived. Since he's arrived, they've won the BE and the BE tournament, finished in the top half of the BE every season, made the NCAA every year, and made a Sweet 16. I see little evidence that Shaka cannot identify and develop talent. Like every team in the country, they could have better players at some position. News flash: Every team has weaknesses whether they use the portal or not.
Quote from: Viper on April 26, 2025, 09:59:17 AM...in your world of participation trophy mediocrity
lol
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 26, 2025, 10:11:07 AMSean is transferring.
Sweet response. Can't handle the debate so you default to the lowest common dominator insult. Very telling...
Easily one of worst threads in recent scoop memory, and there's been no shortage of contenders.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 10:23:25 AMSweet response. Can't handle the debate so you default to the lowest common dominator insult. Very telling...
1. Sean is transferring.
2. Nigel James will start at PG.
3. Josh Clark is a bust because he didn't play during his redshirt year.
You are on a roll.
Quote from: Viper on April 26, 2025, 09:54:10 AMseriously? Harsh...and probably not something you'd say in person. I'm cool with disagreement, but not that.
I don't care.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 26, 2025, 10:38:35 AM1. Sean is transferring.
2. Nigel James will start at PG.
3. Josh Clark is a bust because he didn't play during his redshirt year.
You are on a roll.
Doubling down on the lowest common dominator insults I see...
1 I chose to share a tidbit which was true. Query - do people change their minds or is everything set in stone?
2 James is an incredible talent playing against a very high level of competition (higher probability of predicable success @zogster) He will push Sean every step of the way and I'm predicting he will ultimately start/play more minutes than Sean next year. Competition breeds success.
3 if a big on the roster couldn't help the team last year, I don't see how they could possibly ever contribute. Personal opinion that isn't very controversial.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 26, 2025, 10:15:09 AMIf MU gets good players, guys that develop into good players, and wins, why should I care? MU was in the doldrums when Shaka arrived. Since he's arrived, they've won the BE and the BE tournament, finished in the top half of the BE every season, made the NCAA every year, and made a Sweet 16. I see little evidence that Shaka cannot identify and develop talent. Like every team in the country, they could have better players at some position. News flash: Every team has weaknesses whether they use the portal or not.
The probability of hitting on unranked recruits is astronomically low.
The probability of hitting on higher ranked recruits is much higher.
Not rocket science.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 26, 2025, 09:56:29 AMwhat do you think is causing the issue??? The portal
It is also the court decision on player compensation and revenue sharing that is also a factor. Sure, the portal, NIL they're all factors. The portal is just another word for free agency which the players now have. Will MU have the resources, be it from revenue sharing or NIL to keep players from going elsewhere if we're not going to acquire "free agents" or even recruit highly talented HS players who are looking for that pay.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 26, 2025, 10:15:09 AMIf MU gets good players, guys that develop into good players, and wins, why should I care? MU was in the doldrums when Shaka arrived. Since he's arrived, they've won the BE and the BE tournament, finished in the top half of the BE every season, made the NCAA every year, and made a Sweet 16. I see little evidence that Shaka cannot identify and develop talent. Like every team in the country, they could have better players at some position. News flash: Every team has weaknesses whether they use the portal or not.
The issue isn't whether Shaka can identify and develop talent.
It's the fact that his stated approach to NIL eliminates him from competing for recruits in three talent-rich pools.
First, in the post-NIL era, top-ranked HS players rightly expect an NIL package. Shaka's public statements on the topic state that if a player has that expectation, he won't recruit that player. That leaves us out of the running for players at the talent level of guys like Liam McNeely, Jackson McAndrew, or Kon Kneuppel.
Second, couple NIL with the immediate eligibility of transfers, and there is now a strong pool of late-bloomers that don't get high major offers out of HS, but after a year or two emerge with solid high-major potential. And there is a market rate for these players as well, and because those players expect NIL at market rates, they're off the table for Shaka. Ironically, guys like Kolek and Prosper would fall into this category today.
Third, you have the transfers from high major programs that are going through a coaching change. For better or worse, the sport is 100% invested in the notion that players sign with the coach, not the school, and if the coach leaves it's just expected that the roster will jump en masse to the portal. Obviously, once again there is a market price for these players, taking them out of consideration for MU.
The only pool Shaka can recruit if he sticks with his "no NIL for newcomers" approach is the borderline top 100 who aren't quite good enough to command an NIL package, but where an MU offer is likely the best they'll see.
The situation is no different than other self-imposed restrictions that MU placed on itself in the past--no prop 48s, no players from academically suspect programs, no JUCOs (or only 1 at a time), etc. When you take away a potential pool of talent, you remove one of the tools that can be used to succeed.
That's not to say that Shaka can't develop players or doesn't know what he's doing. It's the observation that when you limit the talent pool, you self-limit your potential for success.
Nobody's saying that Shaka has to go full Pitino and buy the best players on the market every year. But when we see teams like Creighton and UConn and Xavier succeed by blending a mix of top-ranked recruits, lower rated development players, and transfers, it's only natural to wonder whether they have a better approach.
If you start with a belief that Shaka is a better coach and developer of talent than McDermott or Hurley--which I think most here believe--the only rational explanation as to how those teams finished ahead of MU in the standings is a difference in talent.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 10:59:19 AMDoubling down on the lowest common dominator insults I see...
1 I chose to share a tidbit which was true. Query - do people change their minds or is everything set in stone?
2 James is an incredible talent playing against a very high level of competition (higher probability of predicable success @zogster) He will push Sean every step of the way and I'm predicting he will ultimately start/play more minutes than Sean next year. Competition breeds success.
3 if a big on the roster couldn't help the team last year, I don't see how they could possibly ever contribute. Personal opinion that isn't very controversial.
I have a feeling Nigel will be the next MU great.
Clark is 7'1 which is great. MU will need him to get up to speed quickly. Hamilton doesn't appear to have much to offer anytime soon with that we saw this past season. If one pans out and is a solid contributor I will be pleased. If I had to guess it would be clark just because of his height.
I really like Shaka; he seems like a great guy, and I'm happy to have him as the coach for many reasons. I'm still surprised he has yet to bring one higher profile big man recruit to MU.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 11:06:26 AMThe issue isn't whether Shaka can identify and develop talent.
It's the fact that his stated approach to NIL eliminates him from competing for recruits in three talent-rich pools.
First, in the post-NIL era, top-ranked HS players rightly expect an NIL package. Shaka's public statements on the topic state that if a player has that expectation, he won't recruit that player. That leaves us out of the running for players at the talent level of guys like Liam McNeely, Jackson McAndrew, or Kon Kneuppel.
Second, couple NIL with the immediate eligibility of transfers, and there is now a strong pool of late-bloomers that don't get high major offers out of HS, but after a year or two emerge with solid high-major potential. And there is a market rate for these players as well, and because those players expect NIL at market rates, they're off the table for Shaka. Ironically, guys like Kolek and Prosper would fall into this category today.
Third, you have the transfers from high major programs that are going through a coaching change. For better or worse, the sport is 100% invested in the notion that players sign with the coach, not the school, and if the coach leaves it's just expected that the roster will jump en masse to the portal. Obviously, once again there is a market price for these players, taking them out of consideration for MU.
The only pool Shaka can recruit if he sticks with his "no NIL for newcomers" approach is the borderline top 100 who aren't quite good enough to command an NIL package, but where an MU offer is likely the best they'll see.
The situation is no different than other self-imposed restrictions that MU placed on itself in the past--no prop 48s, no players from academically suspect programs, no JUCOs (or only 1 at a time), etc. When you take away a potential pool of talent, you remove one of the tools that can be used to succeed.
That's not to say that Shaka can't develop players or doesn't know what he's doing. It's the observation that when you limit the talent pool, you self-limit your potential for success.
Nobody's saying that Shaka has to go full Pitino and buy the best players on the market every year. But when we see teams like Creighton and UConn and Xavier succeed by blending a mix of top-ranked recruits, lower rated development players, and transfers, it's only natural to wonder whether they have a better approach.
If you start with a belief that Shaka is a better coach and developer of talent than McDermott or Hurley--which I think most here believe--the only rational explanation as to how those teams finished ahead of MU in the standings is a difference in talent.
Very well said. My exact thoughts. Shaka has been adamant he is not interested in prioritizing portal players with NIL over recruits. So there goes all the potential to supplement a roster with additional talent. It doesn't mean go out and replace 3 out of your 5 starters every year. It means keeping the door open and having a willingness to pay when the situation is right and maintains the relationships he prides himself on.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 26, 2025, 11:13:17 AMVery well said. My exact thoughts. Shaka has been adamant he is not interested in prioritizing portal players with NIL over recruits. So there goes all the potential to supplement a roster with additional talent. It doesn't mean go out and replace 3 out of your 5 starters every year. It means keeping the door open and having a willingness to pay when the situation is right and maintains the relationships he prides himself on.
...or the capability to pay.
I think the portal is a tool. If Shaka had utilized it extensively to win 98 games in 4 seasons, I would be exactly as satisfied with the results as I am right now. If Shaka signed a player from the portal this season, I would welcome that player to MU, like I did transfers of all kinds previously. And I would root for them to be successful and for MU to win. Just as I have for every player and coach at MU.
I think TAMU and Ted Baxter point out some fascinating things about experience and the relative depth of talent in the portal. I also look at the reported dollar amounts and don't care whether JB thinks they are accurate or not.
If there are mass departures, I assume Shaka will use the portal. Until that day, I assume he will stay with his philosophy.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 26, 2025, 11:20:56 AM...or the capability to pay.
With the economy cratering, that might help Marquette with NIL if no one can afford players
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 26, 2025, 10:59:44 AMThe probability of hitting on unranked recruits is astronomically low.
The probability of hitting on higher ranked recruits is much higher.
Not rocket science.
I wouldn't dream of accusing you of expounding on rocket science. A rocket that flies as randomly as your comments would be dangerous.
You're arguing that Shaka should never have signed Clark or Hamilton because neither had other high major offers. You claimed that, in 2025, those type of players will never become high major players. When I pointed out, after ten seconds of looking, that Boise State had such a player, then you said, no matter how good the player was, you apparently wouldn't want him because his only offer was from Boise State. I've no idea where the unranked player argument comes from because Shaka only has two on the roster.
I'll let you argue with yourself from this point forward. Enjoy being a dissatisfied MU fan. Lloyd, I hope you have a nice weekend.
Quote from: Viper on April 26, 2025, 09:56:55 AMso, last season was ok? Pick up this fall where things left off? 🤔
Yes, after two consecutive 2 seeds and graduating two all-timers to the NBA I have no issue with a season where Marquette was in the top 25 almost the entire season and comfortably in the tourney as a 7 seed.
Anyone expecting a protected seed every season is delusional - there are going to be ebbs and flows. That's even true for blue bloods.
And as I've said multiple times before, if this season is a small step back but contributes to steps forward the following seasons I'm good with that as well.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 26, 2025, 11:49:35 AMI wouldn't dream of accusing you of expounding on rocket science. A rocket that flies as randomly as your comments would be dangerous.
You're arguing that Shaka should never have signed Clark or Hamilton because neither had other high major offers. You claimed that, in 2025, those type of players will never become high major players. When I pointed out, after ten seconds of looking, that Boise State had such a player, then you said, no matter how good the player was, you apparently wouldn't want him because his only offer was from Boise State. I've no idea where the unranked player argument comes from because Shaka only has two on the roster.
I'll let you argue with yourself from this point forward. Enjoy being a dissatisfied MU fan. Lloyd, I hope you have a nice weekend.
Ahhh herein lies the problem. Maybe next time come correct and spend more than two seconds to think of a point and it will make much more sense rather than crafting one of the worst takes scoop has ever seen.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 26, 2025, 11:20:56 AM...or the capability to pay.
This is ridiculous. Of course MU has the capability to pay.
Shaka is telling recruits (and everyone that will listen) that he
won't pay them--not that he can't afford to pay them. And, keep in mind, that at the same time he says he won't pay newcomers, he claims to have plenty of money for retention.
We don't need to have Kansas or Kentucky-sized war chest. We should be competitive with the Xaviers and Creightons of the world.
He has not said anything of the sort. He said you don't need an agent because you are going to get paid the same. Not that they won't get paid, that he won't negotiate.
Why are Xavier and Creighton being brought up as examples of success? Id take our last 3 years over either of theor last 3 years.
It's all pretty similar for the three programs. Creighton has the edge with post-season success for sure. MU a little more during the regular season.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 26, 2025, 03:40:29 PMIt's all pretty similar for the three programs. Creighton has the edge with post-season success for sure. MU a little more during the regular season.
Not really. Xavier didn't make the tournament one of those years and I would take a BE and BET title any day over an E8.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 03:01:18 PMThis is ridiculous. Of course MU has the capability to pay.
Shaka is telling recruits (and everyone that will listen) that he won't pay them--not that he can't afford to pay them. And, keep in mind, that at the same time he says he won't pay newcomers, he claims to have plenty of money for retention.
We don't need to have Kansas or Kentucky-sized war chest. We should be competitive with the Xaviers and Creightons of the world.
Are you sure about that? I am not sure our AD thinks that.
Quote from: tower912 on April 26, 2025, 03:03:27 PMHe has said anything of the sort. He said you don't need an agent because you are going to get paid the same. Not that they won't get paid, that he won't negotiate.
Perhaps we won't negotiate because the money is not there or is it not negotiating at all or just with an agent? Will Shaka give up on a recruit because they are asking too much even without an agent because that recruit is being offered more from another school? With the court ruling on revenue sharing that is the world of college basketball that we are entering and as our AD admitted these are uncharted waters and MU
MAY not be able to compete.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 26, 2025, 03:44:04 PMNot really. Xavier didn't make the tournament one of those years and I would take a BE and BET title any day over an E8.
MU and Creighton have very similar success over the last three years. I'd rather have the additional wins in the big dance, but I can understand the preference for either.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 26, 2025, 12:33:10 PMYes, after two consecutive 2 seeds and graduating two all-timers to the NBA I have no issue with a season where Marquette was in the top 25 almost the entire season and comfortably in the tourney as a 7 seed.
Anyone expecting a protected seed every season is delusional - there are going to be ebbs and flows. That's even true for blue bloods.
And as I've said multiple times before, if this season is a small step back but contributes to steps forward the following seasons I'm good with that as well.
👍
If any portal player in the entire country is a major contributor** to his program, I'll print out this comment and eat it.
(** "major contributor" is defined as averaging a triple-double)
Quote from: The Sultan on April 26, 2025, 08:09:35 AMJust whining from the typical chicken-littles.
I owe you one...don't be a dumbass, hey! Adapt. Adjust. Go for it. That's not chicken-little. Whining? That's the point of Scoop, yes?
Quote from: Viper on April 26, 2025, 04:20:10 PMI owe you one...don't be a dumbass, hey! Adapt. Adjust. Go for it. That's not chicken-little. Whining? That's the point of Scoop, yes?
For you obviously.
62 pages of recycled arguments.........with nobody's mind being changed.
Whining might be what you think scoop is for......many of us strive for a little higher level of discourse.
At least in the non game threads.
Ps I don't even mind the arguments.........but the endless back and forth is just tiresome.
ND still sucks.
Quote from: MuMark on April 26, 2025, 04:45:21 PM62 pages of recycled arguments.........with nobody's mind being changed.
Whining might be what you think scoop is for......many of us strive for a little higher level of discourse.
At least in the non game threads.
Ps I don't even mind the arguments.........but the endless back and forth is just tiresome.
I think back to the original post. Name your guy that you want in the portal. Haven't seen one in this thread in a LONG time.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 11:06:26 AMNobody's saying that Shaka has to go full Pitino and buy the best players on the market every year. But when we see teams like Creighton and UConn and Xavier succeed by blending a mix of top-ranked recruits, lower rated development players, and transfers, it's only natural to wonder whether they have a better approach.
If you start with a belief that Shaka is a better coach and developer of talent than McDermott or Hurley--which I think most here believe--the only rational explanation as to how those teams finished ahead of MU in the standings is a difference in talent.
We are using Xavier as proof that we need to take transfers? A team we've been unquestionably better than since Shaka arrived?
And "most here" believe that Shaka is a better coach than Hurley? Hurley is the best college basketball coach in the country. Who thinks Shaka is a better coach than him? Let alone "most here?"
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 26, 2025, 04:06:59 PMAre you sure about that? I am not sure our AD thinks that.
Yes I'm sure about that.
Do you really think that programs stop fundraising just because they have enough to get by?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 26, 2025, 06:25:43 PMYes I'm sure about that.
Do you really think that programs stop fundraising just because they have enough to get by?
He does
Like recruiting, fundraising never ends.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 11:06:26 AMThe issue isn't whether Shaka can identify and develop talent.
It's the fact that his stated approach to NIL eliminates him from competing for recruits in three talent-rich pools.
First, in the post-NIL era, top-ranked HS players rightly expect an NIL package. Shaka's public statements on the topic state that if a player has that expectation, he won't recruit that player. That leaves us out of the running for players at the talent level of guys like Liam McNeely, Jackson McAndrew, or Kon Kneuppel.
Second, couple NIL with the immediate eligibility of transfers, and there is now a strong pool of late-bloomers that don't get high major offers out of HS, but after a year or two emerge with solid high-major potential. And there is a market rate for these players as well, and because those players expect NIL at market rates, they're off the table for Shaka. Ironically, guys like Kolek and Prosper would fall into this category today.
Third, you have the transfers from high major programs that are going through a coaching change. For better or worse, the sport is 100% invested in the notion that players sign with the coach, not the school, and if the coach leaves it's just expected that the roster will jump en masse to the portal. Obviously, once again there is a market price for these players, taking them out of consideration for MU.
The only pool Shaka can recruit if he sticks with his "no NIL for newcomers" approach is the borderline top 100 who aren't quite good enough to command an NIL package, but where an MU offer is likely the best they'll see.
The situation is no different than other self-imposed restrictions that MU placed on itself in the past--no prop 48s, no players from academically suspect programs, no JUCOs (or only 1 at a time), etc. When you take away a potential pool of talent, you remove one of the tools that can be used to succeed.
That's not to say that Shaka can't develop players or doesn't know what he's doing. It's the observation that when you limit the talent pool, you self-limit your potential for success.
Nobody's saying that Shaka has to go full Pitino and buy the best players on the market every year. But when we see teams like Creighton and UConn and Xavier succeed by blending a mix of top-ranked recruits, lower rated development players, and transfers, it's only natural to wonder whether they have a better approach.
If you start with a belief that Shaka is a better coach and developer of talent than McDermott or Hurley--which I think most here believe--the only rational explanation as to how those teams finished ahead of MU in the standings is a difference in talent.
Feels like a fait amount of what you've written is just wrong.
-Marquette recruited and was in the running for Knueppel. I have no inside knowledge but from what I've gathered here the reason he chose Duke wasn't because of NIL.
-Your post makes it sound like freshman don't get an NIL package at Marquette. "No NIL for newcomers", to the best of my knowledge, is false. Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the difference is Marquette won't pay an incoming 5 star freshman more than a returning sophomore, junior or senior. Sure, that will eliminate some options for Marquette but it hasn't stopped Shaka from successfully recruiting top 100 guys and I don't think it means we'll never be able to sign a top 50 guy.
-I find it amusing people keep mention OMax when talking about the portal. Most of the people who are upset that Shaka doesn't use the portal want guys that are going to contribute significantly right away. OMax transferred in after averaging under 3 PPG at Clemson and then averaged under 7 PPG his first season at Marquette. It feels like the portal posse would have been whining and wouldn't have had the patience for him to develop into an NBA player.
-As others have mentioned, you listing Creighton and Xavier of having great success because of the portal is absolutely bizarre when you compare those schools to Marquette.
-Also, I don't think anyone here thinks Shaka is a better coach or better developer of talent than Hurley.
Yeah, like a lot of things Equalizer posts about, this post leaps to a lot of incorrect conclusions. By everything that I have heard, Marquette was a close second to Duke and NIL was not the reason for his ultimate decision - it was just that Duke is Duke.
Hey, Rico, change the title on this grotesque abomination to 'Portal Combat', or 'Portal John'.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 26, 2025, 08:10:01 PMYeah, like a lot of things Equalizer posts about, this post leaps to a lot of incorrect conclusions. By everything that I have heard, Marquette was a close second to Duke and NIL was not the reason for his ultimate decision - it was just that Duke is Duke.
Bucky offered more money than Duke too. But like you said, Duke is Duke
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 26, 2025, 08:34:49 PMBucky offered more money than Duke too. But like you said, Duke is Duke
I was told Duke offered the most...and it was a 2 year contract. Guess I had that wrong!
Quote from: tower912 on April 26, 2025, 08:10:56 PMHey, Rico, change the title on this grotesque abomination to 'Portal Combat', or 'Portal John'.
Great work.
Portal Potty would also work
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 26, 2025, 08:34:49 PMBucky offered more money than Duke too. But like you said, Duke is Duke
Why cant it be Marquette is Marquette?
Quote from: willie warrior on April 27, 2025, 08:18:24 AMWhy cant it be Marquette is Marquette?
Because of the fans
Every time I see someone post about Liam McNeely, my mind jumps to Liam McMorrow, and I get confused, because we did successfully sign him.
Am I the only one?
Putting this here because we've both been outspoken (albeit sometimes sarcastic) participants in this thread ...
Got to sit down at a local brewery with PointWarrior yesterday. Enjoyed a lot of Marquette talk, as well as a couple of tasty brews. PW is not only a good guy but an honest one - he set up the meeting so he could pay off the bet we made. (I said we'd beat X in the BET; he said we wouldn't.)
Also liked meeting PW's brother ... despite him being a Weasel!
One of the fun parts of being in the Scoop community has been getting to meet several of y'all over the years. Looking forward to the next opportunity, whenever and wherever it might be!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 26, 2025, 03:32:28 PMWhy are Xavier and Creighton being brought up as examples of success? Id take our last 3 years over either of theor last 3 years.
The comment was intended to suggest that we can and should be competitive with their ability to fund an NIL program--not on court performance.
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2025, 10:15:10 AMPutting this here because we've both been outspoken (albeit sometimes sarcastic) participants in this thread ...
Got to sit down at a local brewery with PointWarrior yesterday. Enjoyed a lot of Marquette talk, as well as a couple of tasty brews. PW is not only a good guy but an honest one - he set up the meeting so he could pay off the bet we made. (I said we'd beat X in the BET; he said we wouldn't.)
Also liked meeting PW's brother ... despite him being a Weasel!
One of the fun parts of being in the Scoop community has been getting to meet several of y'all over the years. Looking forward to the next opportunity, whenever and wherever it might be!
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2025, 10:15:10 AMPutting this here because we've both been outspoken (albeit sometimes sarcastic) participants in this thread ...
Got to sit down at a local brewery with PointWarrior yesterday. Enjoyed a lot of Marquette talk, as well as a couple of tasty brews. PW is not only a good guy but an honest one - he set up the meeting so he could pay off the bet we made. (I said we'd beat X in the BET; he said we wouldn't.)
Also liked meeting PW's brother ... despite him being a Weasel!
One of the fun parts of being in the Scoop community has been getting to meet several of y'all over the years. Looking forward to the next opportunity, whenever and wherever it might be!
Yes, good beer, good company, good Marquette talk. MU82 left off that I had asked him to open the conversation with a "Greg Gard sucks" to take a shot at my brother who did not know I was meeting to pay up a beer bet to a fellow scooper. While he did not do that, it did not take long to take a few shots at the Badgers.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 28, 2025, 11:09:21 AMYes, good beer, good company, good Marquette talk. MU82 left off that I had asked him to open the conversation with a "Greg Gard sucks" to take a shot at my brother who did not know I was meeting to pay up a beer bet to a fellow scooper. While he did not do that, it did not take long to take a few shots at the Badgers.
Relating to the thread ...
Your brother quickly brought up how his Weasels are now rejecting their decades-long recruit/develop/retain philosophy ... while our Warriors, who for years brought in impact transfers and jucos, are now the college basketball face of the recruit/develop/retain model.
All for better or worse for both programs - time will tell!
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 28, 2025, 11:09:21 AMYes, good beer, good company, good Marquette talk. MU82 left off that I had asked him to open the conversation with a "Greg Gard sucks" to take a shot at my brother who did not know I was meeting to pay up a beer bet to a fellow scooper. While he did not do that, it did not take long to take a few shots at the Badgers.
You needed Rico to be there to open with "Greg Gard sucks". I hope your brother, being a weasel, didn't pull off the "I forgot my wallet" excuse when the final bill came.
Nice to read a post on this tread that is free of some of the "I'm
right! which means, you're
wrong!" BS from one clearly disturbed scooper in particular.
Getting back to the thread's subject- Shaka's system will probably play out over the next several years, even though there is no shortage of scoopers who have authoritatively mandated ;D that this coming season will determine whether or not it works.
FWIW, T-Rank has our talent ranked 4th in the conference for 2026. Also has our overall ranking at 4th as well.
https://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php?sort=tal&conlimit=BE
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 28, 2025, 11:58:11 AMYou needed Rico to be there to open with "Greg Gard sucks". I hope your brother, being a weasel, didn't pull off the "I forgot my wallet" excuse when the final bill came.
Nice to read a post on this tread that is free of some of the "I'm right! which means, you're wrong!" BS from one clearly disturbed scooper in particular.
Getting back to the thread's subject- Shaka's system will probably play out over the next several years, even though there is no shortage of scoopers who have authoritatively mandated ;D that this coming season will determine whether or not it works.
You do realize that pulling Muggsy into every single post you've ever made, even posts responding to posts that have absolutely zero to do with Muggsy, is just as bad/annoying as whatever you think it is that Muggsy does wrong, right?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 28, 2025, 12:06:56 PMYou do realize that pulling Muggsy into every single post you've ever made, even posts responding to posts that have absolutely zero to do with Muggsy, is just as bad/annoying as whatever you think it is that Muggsy does wrong, right?
Far from "every single post" I've ever made, but...fair enough otherwise.
I have been making a conscious effort recently to lay off of Muggsy quite a bit recently but I'm not completely there yet. Advocating for assassination and military adventures annoys me, to put it mildly. However, when someone lacks the ability to reign in those impulses? Yeah... it's probably best to keep my opinions mostly private. That does not mean I will not comment when I think appropriate though.
Quote from: Spencer Pratt on April 28, 2025, 12:05:35 PMFWIW, T-Rank has our talent ranked 4th in the conference for 2026. Also has our overall ranking at 4th as well.
https://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php?sort=tal&conlimit=BE
Interesting. Thanks for posting.
Torvik has us ahead of Creighton, which has gone heavily into the portal.
Made me look twice to see Georgetown at #3. Not sure I believe it ... and I definitely won't believe it if Sorber goes to the NBA. They went from OK to horrible after he got hurt last season.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 26, 2025, 06:25:43 PMYes I'm sure about that.
Do you really think that programs stop fundraising just because they have enough to get by?
The AD stated:
The growing presence of NIL and future revenue sharing agreements, the impact of the transfer portal, ongoing legal challenges, and the potential for future conference realignment all present both challenges and opportunities. These developments emphasize the need for us to continue investing in our programs to remain competitive...
The AD's letter did not instill confidence that they will have enough to get by in the future as things are unclear what revenue sharing, what the impact of free agency and legal challenges will have and where will that revenue come from. I hope all the optimism here pans out.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 28, 2025, 02:54:23 PMThe AD stated:
The growing presence of NIL and future revenue sharing agreements, the impact of the transfer portal, ongoing legal challenges, and the potential for future conference realignment all present both challenges and opportunities. These developments emphasize the need for us to continue investing in our programs to remain competitive...
The AD's letter did not instill confidence that they will have enough to get by in the future as things are unclear what revenue sharing, what the impact of free agency and legal challenges will have and where will that revenue come from. I hope all the optimism here pans out.
It won't
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 28, 2025, 02:54:23 PMThe AD stated:
The growing presence of NIL and future revenue sharing agreements, the impact of the transfer portal, ongoing legal challenges, and the potential for future conference realignment all present both challenges and opportunities. These developments emphasize the need for us to continue investing in our programs to remain competitive...
The AD's letter did not instill confidence that they will have enough to get by in the future as things are unclear what revenue sharing, what the impact of free agency and legal challenges will have and where will that revenue come from. I hope all the optimism here pans out.
"
Continue investing" does not instill confidence? There are plenty of unknowns like the ones you stated. He will address those issues as they become clearer. Why does this not instill confidence?
I believe in another post, you defined success as making it to the national championship game. If so, Auburn and Duke failed this season. Expecting Marquette to match the fund-raising ability of bluebloods and winning enough recruit bidding battles by having a comparable war chest (I think you also called for this, correct?) is, I think, unrealistic.
Quote from: MU82 on April 28, 2025, 02:04:53 PMInteresting. Thanks for posting.
Torvik has us ahead of Creighton, which has gone heavily into the portal.
Made me look twice to see Georgetown at #3. Not sure I believe it ... and I definitely won't believe it if Sorber goes to the NBA. They went from OK to horrible after he got hurt last season.
Easy to miss but he had the link sorted by returning talent. You need to sort it by Rank, which was:
St John's (6)
UConn (16)
Creighton (19)
Marquette (42)
Villanova (47)
Providence (56)
Xavier (58)
DePaul (63)
Georgetown (74)
Butler (75)
Seton Hall (151 - yikes)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 28, 2025, 03:24:04 PMEasy to miss but he had the link sorted by returning talent. You need to sort it by Rank, which was:
St John's (6)
UConn (16)
Creighton (19)
Marquette (42)
Villanova (47)
Providence (56)
Xavier (58)
DePaul (63)
Georgetown (74)
Butler (75)
Seton Hall (151 - yikes)
That makes more sense. Thanks.
I'm skeptical of Creighton, but we'll see soon enough.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 28, 2025, 02:54:23 PMThe AD stated:
The growing presence of NIL and future revenue sharing agreements, the impact of the transfer portal, ongoing legal challenges, and the potential for future conference realignment all present both challenges and opportunities. These developments emphasize the need for us to continue investing in our programs to remain competitive...
The AD's letter did not instill confidence that they will have enough to get by in the future as things are unclear what revenue sharing, what the impact of free agency and legal challenges will have and where will that revenue come from. I hope all the optimism here pans out.
I am pretty sure he is referring to the revenue lost to the class action suit which tentatively costs each team their NCAA income. There will be a big gap if you include that and the fact that donors' dollars must be spread around to the NIL payments (however they are made). There will be a big cash crunch coming.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 28, 2025, 11:00:24 AMThe comment was intended to suggest that we can and should be competitive with their ability to fund an NIL program--not on court performance.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 11:06:26 AMBut when we see teams like Creighton and UConn and Xavier succeed by blending a mix of top-ranked recruits, lower rated development players, and transfers, it's only natural to wonder whether they have a better approach.
I don't follow the blow by blow of portal activity, so maybe this has been discussed.
I got a message today from someone who said he saw Bruce Weber on BTN report that some unnamed portal participant who had minimal playing time and averaged 3 points a game had $300,000 offers from MU and KSU but his agent turned them down saying the offers were "disrespectful".
Anyone have any info on whether this is credible information.
I would be stunned if a reserve player would have a $300k offer from MU. The rest, sadly, I believe.
That's what the freshman got last year, so dollar amount is right
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 29, 2025, 06:24:19 PMThat's what the freshman got last year, so dollar amount is right
Please provide evidence. Thanks.
Quote from: MU82 on April 29, 2025, 07:24:02 PMPlease provide evidence. Thanks.
How is he supposed to do that? You either trust him...or don't.
Quote from: tower912 on April 29, 2025, 05:48:52 PMI would be stunned if a reserve player would have a $300k offer from MU. The rest, sadly, I believe.
I would be stunned if we didn't pay that...
O
Quote from: avid1010 on April 29, 2025, 07:40:39 PMI would be stunned if we didn't pay that...
I look forward to his arrival.
Quote from: MU82 on April 29, 2025, 07:24:02 PMPlease provide evidence. Thanks.
Former players..
Quote from: tower912 on April 29, 2025, 07:42:30 PMOI look forward to his arrival.
$300k isn't enough.
It surprises me that Shaka is making offers...but $300k would fall in line with the "I'm not going to pay players more than our current players" mantra.
What do you think we are paying incoming freshmen?
Quote from: avid1010 on April 29, 2025, 07:43:19 PM$300k isn't enough.
It surprises me that Shaka is making offers...but $300k would fall in line with the "I'm not going to pay players more than our current players" mantra.
What do you think we are paying incoming freshmen?
Room and board
Quote from: The Sultan on April 29, 2025, 07:40:17 PMHow is he supposed to do that? You either trust him...or don't.
Fair.
But it's an anonymous message board filled with opinions, and those opinions often are presented as facts. I'm an opinionated guy, too, though I do try to avoid presenting something as a fact without offering evidence.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 29, 2025, 07:42:52 PMFormer players..
OK thanks. So former players went up to you and told you how much NIL $$$ this past season's freshmen received? Or you read quotes from them somewhere? Or you saw it on social media?
I don't mean to be a nudge. I'm just something of a skeptic when it comes to online "facts."
For example, we had a guy here who repeatedly said that Sean Jones would be entering the transfer portal. How did he know? Because he knew? But how did he know? Someone he trusted told him. OK.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 29, 2025, 07:43:19 PM$300k isn't enough.
Well, then get out your checkbook
What is a full year tuition and room and board right now? Because I know a player that was offered that,but turned it down
Quote from: Fred Garvin on April 30, 2025, 12:35:18 PMWhat is a full year tuition and room and board right now? Because I know a player that was offered that,but turned it down
70K or there about.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 03:01:18 PMThis is ridiculous. Of course MU has the capability to pay.
Shaka is telling recruits (and everyone that will listen) that he won't pay them--not that he can't afford to pay them. And, keep in mind, that at the same time he says he won't pay newcomers, he claims to have plenty of money for retention.
We don't need to have Kansas or Kentucky-sized war chest. We should be competitive with the Xaviers and Creightons of the world.
You're not paying attention, and it shows.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 26, 2025, 03:01:18 PMShaka is telling recruits (and everyone that will listen) that he won't pay them--not that he can't afford to pay them.
Good lord. Pay attention. This is NOT what Shaka is saying.
"We don't need to have Kansas or Kentucky-sized war chest. We should be competitive with the Xaviers and Creightons of the world."
Serious COLE.
Write the check.
Quote from: PointWarrior on April 30, 2025, 04:51:39 PM"We don't need to have Kansas or Kentucky-sized war chest. We should be competitive with the Xaviers and Creightons of the world."
Serious COLE.
It absolutely is not. Marquette has always had a resource disadvantage.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 30, 2025, 05:09:41 PMIt absolutely is not. Marquette has always had a resource disadvantage.
I'd love to know the resources Marquette has to matchup with Kansas and Kentucky. I'm genuinely curious why people believe this. Show me the numbers
Shaka offered me 300k to NOT join the Marquette basketball team
Quote from: Johnny B on April 30, 2025, 05:02:42 PMWho do we make it out to ?
Pay to the order of MU82.
I'll take real good care of it!
Quote from: MU82 on April 29, 2025, 10:09:48 PMFair.
But it's an anonymous message board filled with opinions, and those opinions often are presented as facts. I'm an opinionated guy, too, though I do try to avoid presenting something as a fact without offering evidence.
OK thanks. So former players went up to you and told you how much NIL $$$ this past season's freshmen received? Or you read quotes from them somewhere? Or you saw it on social media?
I don't mean to be a nudge. I'm just something of a skeptic when it comes to online "facts."
For example, we had a guy here who repeatedly said that Sean Jones would be entering the transfer portal. How did he know? Because he knew? But how did he know? Someone he trusted told him. OK.
Three former players from the final four team.
I've said this on here before. My understanding is Kam was offered big $ after sophomore year and MU figured it out to get in the same ball park. Was close to $2 million last year. Kolek over $1 million. Have a family friend that was a very good low-mid major player now making $800k range to compete for a starting spot at high major school.
Goodman gave numbers he was hearing from players...sounded similar $750k and up for starters at big time schools.
I don't think any of this is hard to believe with or without citing sources given the reporting on it. I know everyone is throwing out numbers, but you can see a consistency across reports.
Shaka offering someone $300k makes sense given what I have heard the reserves get. It wouldn't be more than guys that have been at MU for longer. Unfortunately, I don't think $300k gets you much in the portal.
Quote from: MDMU04 on April 30, 2025, 08:09:56 AMWell, then get out your checkbook
I'm not saying they should offer more. I'm just saying I don't think it's enough to land anyone who can immediately contribute. I'm all for players being compensated, but the numbers are growing way too large. It feels like NIL is going to make life difficult for MU. I appreciate Shaka's approach. Think it is our best bet.
🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨CRYSTAL BALL🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨🚨
Quote from: avid1010 on April 30, 2025, 07:42:28 PMThree former players from the final four team.
I've said this on here before. My understanding is Kam was offered big $ after sophomore year and MU figured it out to get in the same ball park. Was close to $2 million last year. Kolek over $1 million. Have a family friend that was a very good low-mid major player now making $800k range to compete for a starting spot at high major school.
Goodman gave numbers he was hearing from players...sounded similar $750k and up for starters at big time schools.
I don't think any of this is hard to believe with or without citing sources given the reporting on it. I know everyone is throwing out numbers, but you can see a consistency across reports.
Shaka offering someone $300k makes sense given what I have heard the reserves get. It wouldn't be more than guys that have been at MU for longer. Unfortunately, I don't think $300k gets you much in the portal.
Thank you for expounding on your earlier post. This kind of thing helps my understanding of a complex situation.
Glad athletes are getting compensated what the market will bear. Capitalism at its finest. Here's hoping our alma mater's basketball team continues to do well.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 30, 2025, 07:42:28 PMThree former players from the final four team.
I've said this on here before. My understanding is Kam was offered big $ after sophomore year and MU figured it out to get in the same ball park. Was close to $2 million last year. Kolek over $1 million. Have a family friend that was a very good low-mid major player now making $800k range to compete for a starting spot at high major school.
Goodman gave numbers he was hearing from players...sounded similar $750k and up for starters at big time schools.
I don't think any of this is hard to believe with or without citing sources given the reporting on it. I know everyone is throwing out numbers, but you can see a consistency across reports.
Shaka offering someone $300k makes sense given what I have heard the reserves get. It wouldn't be more than guys that have been at MU for longer. Unfortunately, I don't think $300k gets you much in the portal.
lol.That is fantasy land. Good grief such nonsense thrown around.
All the money is off.
And no, MU isn't "underbidding" on transfers.
Quote from: jfp61 on May 01, 2025, 04:10:50 PMAll the money is off.
And no, MU isn't "underbidding" on transfers.
A colleague coached a current P4 starter and McDonald's AA in AAU ball. When I brought up a rumor that the kid was getting over $100k, he laughed: "$30k, maybe up to $40k, and a car lease paid for while he's there." My colleague worked with the kid's dad through the recruiting process. The inflated numbers are coming from two parties: agents trying to get numbers up for their clients or recruit new clients, and coaches making excuses for not getting guys. The inflated numbers also hurt kids who believe them, then leave places where they can be successful, thinking they're going to get six-figure deals, and they don't.
Not to say there aren't multi-million dollar guys out there, but the idea that low and mid major guys are getting nearly $1 million to transfer is laughable.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 01, 2025, 06:11:17 PMA colleague coached a current P4 starter and McDonald's AA in AAU ball. When I brought up a rumor that the kid was getting over $100k, he laughed: "$30k, maybe up to $40k, and a car lease paid for while he's there." My colleague worked with the kid's dad through the recruiting process. The inflated numbers are coming from two parties: agents trying to get numbers up for their clients or recruit new clients, and coaches making excuses for not getting guys. The inflated numbers also hurt kids who believe them, then leave places where they can be successful, thinking they're going to get six-figure deals, and they don't.
Not to say there aren't multi-million dollar guys out there, but the idea that low and mid major guys are getting nearly $1 million to transfer is laughable.
Or are the agents telling their clients they're getting the lower amount but the school is giving the agent the higher amount, leaving the agent to skim money from their clients, as you claimed earlier?
It's also getting smarter. When the transfer notification window ended and kids didn't enter, booom... $$$ to them from their school. The timing of outflows are crazy.
Brutal implications from a tax perspective. These collectives (and related donors) COULD be taken to task at some point. Blatant tax fraud abound.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 01, 2025, 06:17:29 PMIt's also getting smarter. When the transfer notification window ended and kids didn't enter, booom... $$$ to them from their school. The timing of outflows are crazy.
Brutal implications from a tax perspective. These collectives (and related donors) COULD be taken to task at some point. Blatant tax fraud abound.
I wouldn't worry. The IRS isn't staffed enough to worry about such things
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 01, 2025, 06:21:51 PMI wouldn't worry. The IRS isn't staffed enough to worry about such things
Ok. I'll trust you. You know good staffing.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 01, 2025, 07:26:16 PMOk. I'll trust you. You know good staffing.
Jealous?
Bee Jay with more penis fascination. Huh.
It feels like order has been restored.
Quote from: jfp61 on May 01, 2025, 04:10:50 PMAll the money is off.
And no, MU isn't "underbidding" on transfers.
Quote from: jfp61 on May 01, 2025, 04:10:50 PMAll the money is off.
And no, MU isn't "underbidding" on transfers.
Tell us more
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 01, 2025, 06:11:17 PMNot to say there aren't multi-million dollar guys out there, but the idea that low and mid major guys are getting nearly $1 million to transfer is laughable.
Absolutely false.
Quote from: avid1010 on May 02, 2025, 05:13:09 AMAbsolutely false.
there is a difference between asking for it and getting it. But keep believing that every kid who transferred from Evansville or San Diego is getting $1 million.
Will Wade is that guy
Quote from: Spencer Pratt on April 28, 2025, 12:05:35 PMFWIW, T-Rank has our talent ranked 4th in the conference for 2026. Also has our overall ranking at 4th as well.
https://www.barttorvik.com/trankpre.php?sort=tal&conlimit=BE
For Viper.
Sorber staying in the draft. Georgetown takes another step back.
Quote from: tower912 on May 04, 2025, 11:32:14 AMFor Viper.
Hmmmm....The gap still widening between MU and UConn, Creighton and St. Johns. Giddyup Shaka. Isn't that right Reeker?
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2025, 10:15:03 AMHmmmm....The gap still widening between MU and UConn, Creighton and St. Johns. Giddyup Shaka. Isn't that right Reeker?
Correct. The gap is wider than ever. Bring Wardle Home
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2025, 10:15:03 AMHmmmm....The gap still widening between MU and UConn, Creighton and St. Johns. Giddyup Shaka. Isn't that right Reeker?
I need to Skype you and get your thoughts on how to reverse this gap widening.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 15, 2025, 11:00:16 AMI need to Skype you and get your thoughts on how to reverse this gap widening.
Is today the day Skype is officially killed off by Microsoft?
Quote from: wadesworld on May 15, 2025, 11:00:16 AMI need to Skype you and get your thoughts on how to reverse this gap widening.
Keep getting better recruits. Last years team was weakest Shaka team since year 1. All 3 of the teams mentioned finished higher than MU and MU was 1-6 against those teams. Hence, the gap is widening. Let Reeker expound his sarcastic BS. He cannot argue those facts.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2025, 02:28:35 PMKeep getting better recruits. Last years team was weakest Shaka team since year 1. All 3 of the teams mentioned finished higher than MU and MU was 1-6 against those teams. Hence, the gap is widening. Let Reeker expound his sarcastic BS. He cannot argue those facts.
I agree. The gap is widening. Bring Wardle Home.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2025, 02:28:35 PMKeep getting better recruits. Last years team was weakest Shaka team since year 1. All 3 of the teams mentioned finished higher than MU and MU was 1-6 against those teams. Hence, the gap is widening. Let Reeker expound his sarcastic BS. He cannot argue those facts.
Shaka's recruiting class next year is #16 in the nation, behind both UCONN and Butler. Does this mean that the gap is widening between us and Butler as well?!?
Quote from: 100AcreNation on May 15, 2025, 02:50:28 PMShaka's recruiting class next year is #16 in the nation, behind both UCONN and Butler. Does this mean that the gap is widening between us and Butler as well?!?
Oh, no. Another team lapping Marquette.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2025, 02:28:35 PMKeep getting better recruits. Last years team was weakest Shaka team since year 1. All 3 of the teams mentioned finished higher than MU and MU was 1-6 against those teams. Hence, the gap is widening. Let Reeker expound his sarcastic BS. He cannot argue those facts.
Gormless blather overflowing with putrefactive sapience, Dung Willie
Quote from: 100AcreNation on May 15, 2025, 02:50:28 PMShaka's recruiting class next year is #16 in the nation, behind both UCONN and Butler. Does this mean that the gap is widening between us and Butler as well?!?
I believe this is the rank just for HS recruiting.
247 shows MU with a class rank of 44th when transfers are included:
https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/overallteamrankings/
(https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/overallteamrankings/)
9: Uconn
19: St. Johns
24: Creighton
35: Providence
41: Butler
42: Villanova
44: MU
64: Xavier
67: Georgetown
76: DePaul
93: Seton Hall
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2025, 02:28:35 PMKeep getting better recruits. Last years team was weakest Shaka team since year 1. All 3 of the teams mentioned finished higher than MU and MU was 1-6 against those teams. Hence, the gap is widening. Let Reeker expound his sarcastic BS. He cannot argue those facts.
So wait...your brilliant plan for Marquette to get better is to...continue to get better? Quick, someone write a letter, what Marquette needs to do to get better is to get better! It's genius! How did they never think to recruit players that would make them better? I can't wait to see what the staff does now that they have these inarguable facts at their disposal!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 15, 2025, 02:57:03 PMOh, no. Another team lapping Marquette.
How soon before the Big East tries to replace Marquette with St. Thomas? 👀
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2025, 03:29:08 PMSo wait...your brilliant plan for Marquette to get better is to...continue to get better? Quick, someone write a letter, what Marquette needs to do to get better is to get better! It's genius! How did they never think to recruit players that would make them better? I can't wait to see what the staff does now that they have these inarguable facts at their disposal!
Once again, this was a response to somebody else's question. Yes they can get better through better recruits.This is in the context of the gap widening at the top of the league. If you do not understand facts and common sense then continue to sound off with your sarcastic wind. Deny that MU wsnt downhill last year compared to prior. Come up with some fantastic info that supports your logic. Amazing how some MU fans get their panties in a bunch when somebody lodges some objective criticism about team performance.
Here it comes...our players were injured last year.
Which is an objective fact, so theoretically you would embrace it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2025, 03:29:08 PMSo wait...your brilliant plan for Marquette to get better is to...continue to get better? Quick, someone write a letter, what Marquette needs to do to get better is to get better! It's genius! How did they never think to recruit players that would make them better? I can't wait to see what the staff does now that they have these inarguable facts at their disposal!
As someone that has been a Marquette basketball fan since 1865, Wingdings knows ball
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 15, 2025, 03:45:49 PMAs someone that has been a Marquette basketball fan since 1865, Wingdings knows ball
I mean, he does have a pennant.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 15, 2025, 03:48:45 PMI mean, he does have a pennant.
In his basement. Some fan
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 15, 2025, 03:08:26 PMI believe this is the rank just for HS recruiting.
247 shows MU with a class rank of 44th when transfers are included:
https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/overallteamrankings/
(https://247sports.com/season/2025-basketball/overallteamrankings/)
9: Uconn
19: St. Johns
24: Creighton
35: Providence
41: Butler
42: Villanova
44: MU
64: Xavier
67: Georgetown
76: DePaul
93: Seton Hall
The gap widens. Can't wait for Wardle. The guy gets it. Shaka is just happy to make sure everyone is taken care of. Wins don't matter as long as seniority is respected.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 15, 2025, 04:31:57 PMThe gap widens. Can't wait for Wardle. The guy gets it. Shaka is just happy to make sure everyone is taken care of. Wins don't matter as long as seniority is respected.
Relationships, Growth, Complacency I'm afraid...
It is almost as if we don't need to add 6+ new bodies to the team each year
Quote from: tower912 on May 15, 2025, 03:43:45 PMWhich is an objective fact, so theoretically you would embrace it.
Theoretically, try one
Why? You are not remotely theoretically objective.
But it is a verifiable fact the team had injuries.
Quote from: tower912 on May 16, 2025, 01:17:14 PMWhy? You are not remotely theoretically objective.
But it is a verifiable fact the team had injuries.
Your opinion is not remotely objective either. Better keep defending Wojo to the last like you did. That is being you.
Yawn. I root for every MU coach to be successful. You do you and keep hating and complaining about everything in your miserable so called existence.
But thanks for the dopamine hit.
Quote from: tower912 on May 16, 2025, 04:19:23 PMYawn. I root for every MU coach to be successful. You do you and keep hating and complaining about everything in your miserable so called existence.
But thanks for the dopamine hit.
If you had been around when Tex Winter was coach, you'd understand
Why argue with a joyless mope whose basketball knowledge is so lacking that he called Stevie Mitchell a "pile of dung"?
It makes me laugh.
I only root for Wardle
Quote from: JakeBarnes on May 16, 2025, 05:00:05 PMI only root for Wardle
I root for Marquette until my coach partakes in roster malpractice. Then I root for the coach that should replace him. In this case, Wardle.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 16, 2025, 04:17:10 PMYour opinion is not remotely objective either. Better keep defending Wojo to the last like you did. That is being you.
Wisdom lies not in words or thoughts, but in displaying one's Warriors pennant above ground level, Dung Willie
CSPAN Discussion on the portal. Shaka's approach makes sense.
https://www.c-span.org/networks/?channel=c-span-3
Sorry, need a cable subscription to view. However, it discusses all the athletes that enter the portal and left in limbo with no offers.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:36:40 AMWho was our back up pg last year?
What depth did we have on the front line?
I see major gaps in the roster coupled with low ceiling players in those spots. Hamilton is not a high major player and neither is Norman. Gold isn't a center and is forced to play that role. Sean jones hasn't played basketball in two years.
The roster has talent but also has very clear flaws. Not supplementing the current roster with an addition or two puts a low ceiling on this team.
This panda guy makes some good points
Quote from: panda on November 15, 2025, 07:31:16 PMThis panda guy makes some good points
Winner, winner, chicken diner.
Any thoughts on the Super Bowl I can wager on?
Quote from: panda on November 15, 2025, 07:31:16 PMThis panda guy makes some good points
You saw then what I see now. Spot on post. How much of it is still true heading into next year?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on November 15, 2025, 07:40:12 PMWinner, winner, chicken diner.
Any thoughts on the Super Bowl I can wager on?
*dinner
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 15, 2025, 07:46:05 PMYou saw then what I see now. Spot on post. How much of it is still true heading into next year?
As it stands, next year could be pretty bleak. There's no clear cut guy who can even step in and fill Ross' shoes, let alone Ben Gold's right now. And that is telling. Lowery seems like the only other upperclassman with a pulse right now.
Shaka needs to really hit on at least 5 or 6 of those 9 recruits in the frosh/sophomore classes. For those who are following recruiting more - what are your thoughts on this next class (including RS)? Seems like Pearson has the most promise out of all the bigs on the roster. Hopefully Walker, Miletic and Johnson can all added needed shooting.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 10:36:40 AMWho was our back up pg last year?
What depth did we have on the front line?
I see major gaps in the roster coupled with low ceiling players in those spots. Hamilton is not a high major player and neither is Norman. Gold isn't a center and is forced to play that role. Sean jones hasn't played basketball in two years.
The roster has talent but also has very clear flaws. Not supplementing the current roster with an addition or two puts a low ceiling on this team.
Agree. Feels like Marquette is defeating themselves with roster construction this year. It is one thing if you have a stocked roster and the other team defeats you but with no transfers feels like we are defeating ourselves.
I totally get what Shaka's doing and respect it. But Kolek was a transfer. I get not wanting a whole new roster every year but a transfer every other year isn't a bad thing
Shaka 's approach is fine. You just have to be right on recruits 75% of the time. It makes sense to recruit, build and retain
Quote from: Daniel on November 15, 2025, 11:55:18 PMShaka 's approach is fine. You just have to be right on recruits 75% of the time. It makes sense to recruit, build and retain
It's fine when it works. Right now in terms of minutes, and based on this season, the rotation is:
1. Chase - Hit
2. Zaide - Hit
3. Gold - Hit
4. Royce - Miss
5. NJ - Hit
6. Caedin - Miss
7. Stevens - Hit
8. Jones - Miss
9. Owens - Miss
10. Norman - Miss
11. Clark - Miss
Now those could improve as the year(s) go on, but based on returns this year, a 45% hit rate won't get it done. Need Royce, SJ, & one of the bigs to be hits now to get where we want to go.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 16, 2025, 03:10:18 PMIt's fine when it works. Right now in terms of minutes, and based on this season, the rotation is:
1. Chase - Hit
2. Zaide - Hit
3. Gold - Hit
4. Royce - Miss
5. NJ - Hit
6. Caedin - Miss
7. Stevens - Hit
8. Jones - Miss
9. Owens - Miss
10. Norman - Miss
11. Clark - Miss
Now those could improve as the year(s) go on, but based on returns this year, a 45% hit rate won't get it done. Need Royce, SJ, & one of the bigs to be hits now to get where we want to go.
Stevens is averaging 4.4 PPG and shooting 29% from the field but he's a hit? And Royce is a miss 5 games into his sophomore season?
I do think Stevens will absolutely be a "hit" but I have a hard time calling someone a hit or miss 5 games into their freshman or sophomore seasons.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 16, 2025, 03:55:54 PMStevens is averaging 4.4 PPG and shooting 29% from the field but he's a hit? And Royce is a miss 5 games into his sophomore season?
I do think Stevens will absolutely be a "hit" but I have a hard time calling someone a hit or miss 5 games into their freshman or sophomore seasons.
I think Parham may be a victim of expectations, but it's fair to say that five games into the season, he's hasn't shown the kind of developmental leap that many projected. And the fact Shaka would rather start Hamilton is a little worrisome, no?
Still very early, of course.
And yes, too early to call any of the frosh hits or misses, though we should all feel pretty good about James.
The real problem is the lack of growth and production from the 2023 and 2024 classes. Five of seven of those players - Norman, Amadou, Hamilton, Owens and Clark - are subpar major conference players right now. I see only one of them having the upside to potentially change that.
And if you're going to build your program on retaining and developing high schoolers, you can't afford to whiff on back-to-back classes.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 16, 2025, 03:55:54 PMStevens is averaging 4.4 PPG and shooting 29% from the field but he's a hit? And Royce is a miss 5 games into his sophomore season?
I do think Stevens will absolutely be a "hit" but I have a hard time calling someone a hit or miss 5 games into their freshman or sophomore seasons.
I'm fine lowering the threshold. He's been a good role player in the minutes given. As a sixth/seventh man, he's a hit, but if you want to argue we're at 36% I won't disagree.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 16, 2025, 04:28:58 PMI'm fine lowering the threshold. He's been a good role player in the minutes given. As a sixth/seventh man, he's a hit, but if you want to argue we're at 36% I won't disagree.
It's really just semantics. I had high hopes for Royce and have been disappointed in his performance thus far this season but I can't say he's a "miss" as a recruit yet. Owens has been even more disappointing but I certainly wouldn't write him off.
I see where you're coming from but I'm looking more through the lens of an entire career with the school, not season-to-date or even career-to-date.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 16, 2025, 04:12:16 PMI think Parham may be a victim of expectations, but it's fair to say that five games into the season, he's hasn't shown the kind of developmental leap that many projected. And the fact Shaka would rather start Hamilton is a little worrisome, no?
Still very early, of course.
And yes, too early to call any of the frosh hits or misses, though we should all feel pretty good about James.
The real problem is the lack of growth and production from the 2023 and 2024 classes. Five of seven of those players - Norman, Amadou, Hamilton, Owens and Clark - are subpar major conference players right now. I see only one of them having the upside to potentially change that.
And if you're going to build your program on retaining and developing high schoolers, you can't afford to whiff on back-to-back classes.
I really don't disagree with anything you have to say here. Zaide is a nice player who I think will be even better but the junior class as a whole has been a big disappointment.
And there's no doubt Parham and Owens have been disappointing to various degrees through the first 5 games this season. I would imagine a lot of people who had some optimism this year, myself included, we're expecting sizable leaps from both of them and that hasn't been anywhere near coming to fruition yet.
Shaka recruited Clark and Hamilton late in the process and should have not been recruited. Those scholarships should have gone to transfers. Norman will never be more than a sub, Shaka just made a mistake on him. Owens, just surprised he has brought nothing to the table. Great athlete but not sure he has any basketball instincts. Shaka needs to let some people move on, but he has his system and do not think he will change. Redshirting is good for the player, but rather get players that can play right away. Next year might be worse.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 16, 2025, 06:02:38 PMShaka recruited Clark and Hamilton late in the process and should have not been recruited. Those scholarships should have gone to transfers. Norman will never be more than a sub, Shaka just made a mistake on him. Owens, just surprised he has brought nothing to the table. Great athlete but not sure he has any basketball instincts. Shaka needs to let some people move on, but he has his system and do not think he will change. Redshirting is good for the player, but rather get players that can play right away. Next year might be worse.
With 15 scholarships and redshirts available you can take fliers on those guys. That's not the problem. The problem is you need much more production from the other guys coming back.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 16, 2025, 06:07:02 PMWith 15 scholarships and redshirts available you can take fliers on those guys. That's not the problem. The problem is you need much more production from the other guys coming back.
He had three of those roster spots locked up last year with Hamilton, Clark and AL. The first two have been really bad this year and Al can't even sniff the court with a st joes. Roster construction malpractice
Quote from: panda on November 16, 2025, 06:26:23 PMHe had three of those roster spots locked up last year with Hamilton, Clark and AL. The first two have been really bad this year and Al can't even sniff the court with a st joes. Roster construction malpractice
Next year they should be looking to do with Norman and Hamilton what they've done with Al and Keeyan. Move on. They need to get some older guys from the portal because Zaide and Sean are set to be the only Seniors to get real minutes of any kind.
Nigel, Stevens, Zaide, Royce, Transfer as starters. Without outside help it is hard to see how next year's team could be better than this years team.
But at the same time we are so far away from that, that there is no point in even thinking about it.
Quote from: panda2.0 on April 24, 2025, 09:58:37 PMI'm on record saying I will eat my column if Hamilton turns into anything with Marquette. I will add Clark to that list as well.
A player in 2025 with no major offers out of high school will never be a HM player.
Couple that with the fact he redshirted with our sorry front line this year and I've never been so sure about anything in my life.
Call me Galileo
Quote from: panda on November 19, 2025, 08:04:30 PMCall me Galileo
Hamilton has always sucked. Him starting should have been the alarm bell.
Clark might turn out tollerable. He can defend in the half court. Which is more than can be said of 18
Quote from: jfp61 on November 19, 2025, 08:57:50 PMHamilton has always sucked. Him starting should have been the alarm bell.
Clark might turn out tollerable. He can defend in the half court. Which is more than can be said of 18
Let's not disparage a kid that had no came in early and was very raw and lacked ability for this level. A kid like that can work hard and carve out a role.
The fault there is to his coach, who tried fitting a square peg in a round hole to stick with his upperclassmen first next man up mantra.
We all have faults. It's cool to stick with your method, but that's where the fault lies
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 16, 2025, 07:30:32 PMNext year they should be looking to do with Norman and Hamilton what they've done with Al and Keeyan. Move on. They need to get some older guys from the portal because Zaide and Sean are set to be the only Seniors to get real minutes of any kind.
Nigel, Stevens, Zaide, Royce, Transfer as starters. Without outside help it is hard to see how next year's team could be better than this years team.
100% on Hamilton and Tre. They absolutely need to be gone next year. I think Owens transfers and possibly Royce does as well. That could open the flood gates to change Shaka's approach. I think Sean should also move on as the injuries have just added up on him. This program needs a total makeover.
Totally agree but not sure in Shaka's DNA, it will be interesting to see what happens.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 19, 2025, 09:17:06 PM100% on Hamilton and Tre. They absolutely need to be gone next year. I think Owens transfers and possibly Royce does as well. That could open the flood gates to change Shaka's approach. I think Sean should also move on as the injuries have just added up on him. This program needs a total makeover.
This feels like a lot of wishful thinking.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 19, 2025, 09:17:06 PM100% on Hamilton and Tre. They absolutely need to be gone next year. I think Owens transfers and possibly Royce does as well. That could open the flood gates to change Shaka's approach. I think Sean should also move on as the injuries have just added up on him. This program needs a total makeover.
Tre is absolutely fine as a defensive first guard who plays 10 mpg. Especially as a senior.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 21, 2025, 08:34:22 PMTre is absolutely fine as a defensive first guard who plays 10 mpg. Especially as a senior.
Yeah, maybe. More pissed after that game than I remember I guess, but I do think we need to make room and upgrade the guard position for next year one way or another.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 21, 2025, 09:17:54 PMYeah, maybe. More pissed after that game than I remember I guess, but I do think we need to make room and upgrade the guard position for next year one way or another.
I don't disagree, but Norman is the type you don't mind hanging around. Program guy. Doesn't seem to complain. Works hard defensively.
With the number of top 125 players coming out of HS now being a " miss", at what time do we start questioning the coach for their lack of development?
Quote from: Superfan on November 21, 2025, 10:00:46 PMWith the number of top 125 players coming out of HS now being a " miss", at what time do we start questioning the coach for their lack of development?
Yes. Shaka has proven no ability to develop players.
Quote from: Superfan on November 21, 2025, 10:00:46 PMWith the number of top 125 players coming out of HS now being a " miss", at what time do we start questioning the coach for their lack of development?
Perfectly valid question. For this model to work, I think generally your seniors need to be locked in starters or stars. Juniors need to be starters. Sophomores need to be rotation players.
The jury may be out on Sean, but generally I think only Chase meets the star criteria from the 2022 class. Ben is good, but wouldn't have started on any of the 2022-24 teams.
In 2023, Zaide is starter level, but Tre and Caedin aren't and Amadou isn't here.
2024, both Royce & DO seem to have taken a step back while the jury is out on Clark.
That's three recruiting classes where the early returns are one guy exceeding expectations and two more that are somewhat on track. For a staff that did so much with TK, O-Max, Oso, Kam, etc, it's disappointing to the bottom all fall out so fast.
It's also a reason why it's hard to get overly excited for young players or future recruits because at one point, we were just as excited about the problem of Sean, Tre, & Owens.
Yep, For this model to work you need high level talent to develop. Hopefully player assessments will get better moving forward.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 22, 2025, 12:58:58 PMPerfectly valid question. For this model to work, I think generally your seniors need to be locked in starters or stars. Juniors need to be starters. Sophomores need to be rotation players.
The jury may be out on Sean, but generally I think only Chase meets the star criteria from the 2022 class. Ben is good, but wouldn't have started on any of the 2022-24 teams.
In 2023, Zaide is starter level, but Tre and Caedin aren't and Amadou isn't here.
2024, both Royce & DO seem to have taken a step back while the jury is out on Clark.
That's three recruiting classes where the early returns are one guy exceeding expectations and two more that are somewhat on track. For a staff that did so much with TK, O-Max, Oso, Kam, etc, it's disappointing to the bottom all fall out so fast.
It's also a reason why it's hard to get overly excited for young players or future recruits because at one point, we were just as excited about the problem of Sean, Tre, & Owens.
This is already getting ugly. I just hope our staff uses some common sense. This year is what it is. We'll have to live with that...fine, but they can't afford to miss the tournament next year or they'll all be gone and I don't want that. Add veteran talent. Add veteran talent. Add veteran talent.
I would say it is as valuable for a young to watch an older guy succeed in front of them than it is to just throw young guys into the fire and fail a bunch.
Shaka also said a player had someone tell them to "kill themselves" through direct messaging online, after the Dayton game.
Quote from: brewcity77 on November 22, 2025, 12:58:58 PMPerfectly valid question. For this model to work, I think generally your seniors need to be locked in starters or stars. Juniors need to be starters. Sophomores need to be rotation players.
The jury may be out on Sean, but generally I think only Chase meets the star criteria from the 2022 class. Ben is good, but wouldn't have started on any of the 2022-24 teams.
In 2023, Zaide is starter level, but Tre and Caedin aren't and Amadou isn't here.
2024, both Royce & DO seem to have taken a step back while the jury is out on Clark.
That's three recruiting classes where the early returns are one guy exceeding expectations and two more that are somewhat on track. For a staff that did so much with TK, O-Max, Oso, Kam, etc, it's disappointing to the bottom all fall out so fast.
It's also a reason why it's hard to get overly excited for young players or future recruits because at one point, we were just as excited about the problem of Sean, Tre, & Owens.
Ben and Zaide have gotten better, but the question is are they top 25 starting players? I would say no. Ben not having any ability or wherewithal to ever play off of two feet, once he punches the paint, is alarming to me. He's essentially been the same player offensively for 4 years. His defense has become better, but part of that is he's our only serviceable big on that end of the floor. I don't think our overall player development has been great beyond Tyko, Oso, and Kam.
Now, I'm going to give Shaka the benefit of the doubt that he can turn this around but with a caveat. I think he has to accept that we're in a new era and we have to get players from the portal like every other program. Every coach has to have talent to succeed. The biggest issue right now is that I don't think Shaka foresaw how anemic Owens and Parham would be. These are guys I expected to start and be major contributors. Thus far it hasn't happened and they appear semi lost to me.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 23, 2025, 08:54:42 AMBen and Zaide have gotten better, but the question is are they top 25 starting players? I would say no. Ben not having any ability or wherewithal to ever play off of two feet, once he punches the paint, is alarming to me. He's essentially been the same player offensively for 4 years. His defense has become better, but part of that is he's our only serviceable big on that end of the floor. I don't think our overall player development has been great beyond Tyko, Oso, and Kam.
Now, I'm going to give Shaka the benefit of the doubt that he can turn this around but with a caveat. I think he has to accept that we're in a new era and we have to get players from the portal like every other program. Every coach has to have talent to succeed. The biggest issue right now is thst I don't think Shaka foresaw how anemic Owems and Parham would be. These are guys I expected to start and big major contributors. Thus far it hasn't happened and they appear semi lost to me.
Zaide is definitely good enough to be a starter on a Top 25 team. Much like Chase from a season ago.
The problem is that they are going to ask him to carry the team like Chase next year with limited pieces around him it would appear.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 23, 2025, 08:30:58 AMShaka also said a player had someone tell them to "kill themselves" through direct messaging online, after the Dayton game.
This is the first I (and I suspect most scoopers) have heard about this. As much as I want to believe that it was
not a scooper, let's be realistic-it
could be.
Source please. I'm really hoping this is simply not true.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 23, 2025, 09:06:32 AMThis is the first I (and I suspect most scoopers) have heard about this. As much as I want to believe that it was not a scooper, let's be realistic-it could be.
Source please. I'm really hoping this is simply not true.
Why wouldn't you believe it? Fans suck and this is prevalent across all sports and fanbases.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2025, 09:10:54 AMWhy wouldn't you believe it? Fans suck and this is prevalent across all sports and fanbases.
As much as I would like to counter what you wrote, I really cannot. ::)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2025, 09:10:54 AMWhy wouldn't you believe it? Fans suck and this is prevalent across all sports and fanbases.
But at least it wasn't somebody "accepting" that Marquette isn't good. There's nothing worse than that, according to several Scoopers.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 23, 2025, 08:54:42 AMI don't think our overall player development has been great beyond Tyko, Oso, and Kam.
You don't think guys like Stevie, Jop, OMax, Chase developed well here?
The development of the sophomore and junior classes has been very poor, outside of Zaide. But prior to that it was great.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 23, 2025, 09:06:32 AMThis is the first I (and I suspect most scoopers) have heard about this. As much as I want to believe that it was not a scooper, let's be realistic-it could be.
Source please. I'm really hoping this is simply not true.
My source is Shaka on this one.
2:45 mark.
https://youtu.be/6iiEnNwW7VE?si=4MKdKvccTyxdHNSL
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 23, 2025, 09:01:24 AMZaide is definitely good enough to be a starter on a Top 25 team. Much like Chase from a season ago.
The problem is that they are going to ask him to carry the team like Chase next year with limited pieces around him it would appear.
I hope you're right about Zaide, he has the talent. I still haven't seen it consistently against tier 1 opponents. It's important to note that our three losses haven't been from elite teams.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 23, 2025, 09:28:11 AMMy source is Shaka on this one.
2:45 mark.
https://youtu.be/6iiEnNwW7VE?si=4MKdKvccTyxdHNSL
This is beyond vile and inexcusable.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 23, 2025, 09:28:11 AMMy source is Shaka on this one.
2:45 mark.
https://youtu.be/6iiEnNwW7VE?si=4MKdKvccTyxdHNSL
Wow. To hear it is really ... wow. WTF is wrong with people?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 23, 2025, 09:06:32 AMThis is the first I (and I suspect most scoopers) have heard about this. As much as I want to believe that it was not a scooper, let's be realistic-it could be.
Source please. I'm really hoping this is simply not true.
People absolutely suck. If that was someone here, be better.
We love sport. But just because you buy a ticket or follow a team doesn't mean you get to say a bunch of vile crap to the players because your Fandom is hurt when they dont play to your expectations. They're frigging human beings--and young ones at that in this case. Criticize the play or results, but stay in your damn lane and out of the one where you say stupid crap like the above. I'll be frank--the Fandom tent doesn't need pretty boys who personally attack people over a game. Hell, humanity doesn't need them either.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 23, 2025, 08:30:58 AMShaka also said a player had someone tell them to "kill themselves" through direct messaging online, after the Dayton game.
Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I thought it was inappropriate for Shaka to bring that up in the press conference. The message was more than likely sent by some random sports better missing the last leg of their $10 parlay. That's a growing problem with those garbage people confronting athletes. Shaka said it more with a "MU fans are bad" tone, which isn't true relative to other fanbases. Things are pretty tame around here from both the fans and the media.
Quote from: MU82 on November 23, 2025, 09:45:50 AMWow. To hear it is really ... wow. WTF is wrong with people?
Given the reactions from some here, are you really surprised something like this was DM'd to one of our players?
IF* the chant "Use the portal," as BrewCity 77 alleged was used at the Maryland game - there is a faction of the MU fanbase who are idiots - similar to the ones who think Shaka should/would be on the hot seat if the team has a bad year this year.
Nick Boyd at UW, now in his 5th year of D-1 basketball was a high level portal acquisition, and he wasn't enough to stop UW from getting throttled by 28 in a neutral site game. High level portal players who are likely high six-figure price tags, which if you allocated that to a one-year rental, that could result in losing Zaide and/or Parham - do MU portal fanboys prefer that type of trade?
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 23, 2025, 10:06:00 AMMaybe an unpopular opinion, but I thought it was inappropriate for Shaka to bring that up in the press conference. The message was more than likely sent by some random sports better missing the last leg of their $10 parlay. That's a growing problem with those garbage people confronting athletes. Shaka said it more with a "MU fans are bad" tone, which isn't true relative to other fanbases. Things are pretty tame around here from both the fans and the media.
I'm going to go ahead and disagree with this.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 23, 2025, 10:06:00 AMMaybe an unpopular opinion, but I thought it was inappropriate for Shaka to bring that up in the press conference. The message was more than likely sent by some random sports better missing the last leg of their $10 parlay. That's a growing problem with those garbage people confronting athletes. Shaka said it more with a "MU fans are bad" tone, which isn't true relative to other fanbases. Things are pretty tame around here from both the fans and the media.
Apparently you've chosen to bury your head in the sand reading reactions from some on Scoop. There's been plenty of nasty things written here about some of our guys. And there's zero wrong with Shaka bringing that up in a press conference.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on November 23, 2025, 09:06:32 AMThis is the first I (and I suspect most scoopers) have heard about this. As much as I want to believe that it was not a scooper, let's be realistic-it could be.
Source please. I'm really hoping this is simply not true.
I guarantee it was some gambling degenerate. The worst of the worst when it comes to sports "fans." Ty Haliburton last season talked about going to therapy to deal with the deluge of social media messages he'd get from cretins who would attack him (anonymously, of course) over fantasy and gambling losses.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 23, 2025, 10:06:00 AMMaybe an unpopular opinion, but I thought it was inappropriate for Shaka to bring that up in the press conference. The message was more than likely sent by some random sports better missing the last leg of their $10 parlay. That's a growing problem with those garbage people confronting athletes. Shaka said it more with a "MU fans are bad" tone, which isn't true relative to other fanbases. Things are pretty tame around here from both the fans and the media.
I highly doubt it was someone betting on Marquette. It was likely one of MUs despicable burner accounts of which there are far too many.
Example: https://x.com/meterPillar02/status/1992337137598128538?t=hb44cGS2yzxz7PpoDu1CyQ&s=19
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 23, 2025, 10:08:44 AMsimilar to the ones who think Shaka should/would be on the hot seat if the team has a bad year this year.
You're undefeated when it comes to batting down imaginary arguments.
QuoteNick Boyd at UW, now in his 5th year of D-1 basketball was a high level portal acquisition, and he wasn't enough to stop UW from getting throttled by 28 in a neutral site game. High level portal players who are likely high six-figure price tags, which if you allocated that to a one-year rental, that could result in losing Zaide and/or Parham - do MU portal fanboys prefer that type of trade?
If your best defense for not using the portal is citing a worst-case scenario, you've lost the argument. One could just as easily point to Amadou (or some others I won't name) and say "See, that's why you shouldn't try to develop high schoolers." I guess I have more faith than you in the staff's ability to identify players who would succeed here.
And if Marquette can't add a single transfer without losing multiple rotational players, it should probably get out of the big-time basketball business. It's obviously not for us.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 23, 2025, 10:13:53 AMI highly doubt it was someone betting on Marquette. It was likely one of MUs despicable burner accounts of which there are far too many.
Example: https://x.com/meterPillar02/status/1992337137598128538?t=hb44cGS2yzxz7PpoDu1CyQ&s=19
Or you could have picked this one:
https://x.com/meterpillar02/status/1987244647685726691?s=46
Or this one:
https://x.com/meterpillar02/status/1986803572218929348?s=46
Or this one:
https://x.com/meterpillar02/status/1986597507577819283?s=46
That was really not a good example to try and make your point, but you helped make mine. So, thanks.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 23, 2025, 10:13:53 AMI highly doubt it was someone betting on Marquette. It was likely one of MUs despicable burner accounts of which there are far too many.
Example: https://x.com/meterPillar02/status/1992337137598128538?t=hb44cGS2yzxz7PpoDu1CyQ&s=19
Not DDS? That's an upset
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2025, 09:26:30 AMYou don't think guys like Stevie, Jop, OMax, Chase developed well here?
The development of the sophomore and junior classes has been very poor, outside of Zaide. But prior to that it was great.
Was just about to post the same thing. Omitting those guys when talking about development is crazy.
And that's why a lot of people were cautiously optimistic about this season.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 23, 2025, 10:20:50 AMOr you could have picked this one:
https://x.com/meterpillar02/status/1987244647685726691?s=46
Or this one:
https://x.com/meterpillar02/status/1986803572218929348?s=46
Or this one:
https://x.com/meterpillar02/status/1986597507577819283?s=46
That was really not a good example to try and make your point, but you helped make mine. So, thanks.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 23, 2025, 10:20:50 AMOr you could have picked this one:
https://x.com/meterpillar02/status/1987244647685726691?s=46
Or this one:
https://x.com/meterpillar02/status/1986803572218929348?s=46
Or this one:
https://x.com/meterpillar02/status/1986597507577819283?s=46
That was really not a good example to try and make your point, but you helped make mine. So, thanks.
My point is that it most likely wasn't a random person betting on a Marquette player. It was likely a garbage fan of the program that is upset we aren't good.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 23, 2025, 10:19:30 AMYou're undefeated when it comes to batting down imaginary arguments.
If your best defense for not using the portal is citing a worst-case scenario, you've lost the argument. One could just as easily point to Amadou (or some others I won't name) and say "See, that's why you shouldn't try to develop high schoolers." I guess I have more faith than you in the staff's ability to identify players who would succeed here.
And if Marquette can't add a single transfer without losing multiple rotational players, it should probably get out of the big-time basketball business. It's obviously not for us.
Imagine how much better Purdue would have played if they hadn't brought in that one transfer starter:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401823637/texas-tech-purdue
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 23, 2025, 10:08:44 AMGiven the reactions from some here, are you really surprised something like this was DM'd to one of our players?
Oh give me a break. You've spewed as much vitriol about players and coaches as anyone on here. And now you're going to act all high and mighty? Please...
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 23, 2025, 10:32:57 AMImagine how much better Purdue would have played if they hadn't brought in that one transfer starter:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401823637/texas-tech-purdue
Real shame to watch Matt Painter destroy the culture he worked so hard to create.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 23, 2025, 10:19:30 AMIf your best defense for not using the portal is citing a worst-case scenario, you've lost the argument.
In slight defense of Ners on this point ... perma-bear BCHoopster suggested that Shaka should have rented Boyd for a year instead of recruiting and landing Nigel James.
I'm not on X but I'd be curious if anyone called that guy out for that stoopid Shaka post in comments.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 23, 2025, 10:52:35 AMReal shame to watch Matt Painter destroy the culture he worked so hard to create.
Aren't you one of the people crying afoul about hyperbole or finding extreme examples when people point out a team filled with portal kids taking bad losses?
Quote from: Pakuni on November 23, 2025, 10:52:35 AMReal shame to watch Matt Painter destroy the culture he worked so hard to create.
A culture that has losses as a 1, 2, 3 and 4 seed in the opening round of the dance
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2025, 11:32:06 AMAren't you one of the people crying afoul about hyperbole or finding extreme examples when people point out a team filled with portal kids taking bad losses?
Nooooooooooooo, he'd never do something like that. ::)
Quote from: MU82 on November 23, 2025, 11:29:20 AMIn slight defense of Ners on this point ... perma-bear BCHoopster suggested that Shaka should have rented Boyd for a year instead of recruiting and landing Nigel James.
I am using him as an example, if all 15 players comeback next year are they in the same predicament? There are to many projects moving forward, Boyd is averaging 19 a game, they need one transfer that has a history of scoring. Sure hope these new players can score
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on November 23, 2025, 11:31:45 AMI'm not on X but I'd be curious if anyone called that guy out for that stoopid Shaka post in comments.
Four replies - one a Michael Jordan gif, one a gif from a movie, the other two:
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SEC burner wannabe loser
Dale Lamoureux
@Dominos_Fastest
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Quote from: BCHoopster on November 23, 2025, 11:41:43 AMI am using him as an example, if all 15 players comeback next year are they in the same predicament? There are to many projects moving forward, Boyd is averaging 19 a game, they need one transfer that has a history of scoring. Sure hope these new players can score
Nice spinning! Hope you're not dizzy now.
You'd take a decent 1-year rental over a freshman who is already doing pretty darn well and who could develop into one of the best PGs in the Big East. I wouldn't.
Boyd is shooting 32% from 3 after having shot 35% last season and 34% the year before. I sure hope that if Shaka targets shooters for next season, he goes after someone who actually can, you know, shoot. Boyd has played exactly one game for your favorite team in a non-buy game ... and he went 0-for-4 against BYU. Yep, he's been a true difference-maker for your Weasels so far.
Also ... it's "come back" and "too."
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2025, 11:32:06 AMAren't you one of the people crying afoul about hyperbole or finding extreme examples when people point out a team filled with portal kids taking bad losses?
Except my hyperbole is intentional and sarcastic (as I assume you know). We have Scoopers who truly believe using the portal would harm the program's culture.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 23, 2025, 12:07:25 PMExcept my hyperbole is intentional and sarcastic (as I assume you know). We have Scoopers who truly believe using the portal would harm the program's culture.
Watch out for how you use we. Sultan is gunna rage again
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 23, 2025, 11:36:13 AMA culture that has losses as a 1, 2, 3 and 4 seed in the opening round of the dance
You're saying not taking transfers leads to disappointing tournament results?
Quote from: Pakuni on November 23, 2025, 12:10:09 PMYou're saying not taking transfers leads to disappointing tournament results?
Yes
Quote from: MU82 on November 23, 2025, 09:45:50 AMWow. To hear it is really ... wow. WTF is wrong with people?
Probably from Mequon
Quote from: MU82 on November 23, 2025, 11:53:16 AMNice spinning! Hope you're not dizzy now.
You'd take a decent 1-year rental over a freshman who is already doing pretty darn well and who could develop into one of the best PGs in the Big East. I wouldn't.
Boyd is shooting 32% from 3 after having shot 35% last season and 34% the year before. I sure hope that if Shaka targets shooters for next season, he goes after someone who actually can, you know, shoot. Boyd has played exactly one game for your favorite team in a non-buy game ... and he went 0-for-4 against BYU. Yep, he's been a true difference-maker for your Weasels so far.
Also ... it's "come back" and "too."
MU needs rentals, I do not care if they will be a junior or senior, but time to use the portal next year. You can say what ever you want about Boyd, but he is nice one year rental, just like Tonje last year.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 23, 2025, 02:54:38 PMMU needs rentals, I do not care if they will be a junior or senior, but time to use the portal next year. You can say what ever you want about Boyd, but he is nice one year rental, just like Tonje last year.
We can shoot for not winning Tournament games without adding transfers. Greg Gard has made two Sweet Sixteens, one the year Bo Ryan coached the first half of the season and the other the next season, with all of Bo Ryan's players. He has 3 Tournament wins in the 8 seasons since. Shaka doesn't need to take a page from Greg Gard's book at all.
You can believe in Shaka's philosophy which is fine if you bring in some top recruits. But some of his recruits have not panned out. I thought Owens was going to be a star here, he has totally regressed. Parham has not moved the meter either. Now add a pitiful junior class and you have this team. Next year unless the frosh step in right now and play, the team looks even weaker. So unless you add a portal player this program and Shaka are going down. Adding one player should not be that hard, and there's at least 5 players that can go. Here is the problem why players do not leave MU, there MLI money here is very good.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 23, 2025, 12:10:09 PMYou're saying not taking transfers leads to disappointing tournament results?
Apparently so as the first year he took a transfer (grad transfer from SIU) they made the championship game. They probably blow out UConn in the title game if Painter hadn't destroyed team chemistry by bringing in Lance Jones.
Quote from: The Sultan on November 23, 2025, 10:33:01 AMOh give me a break. You've spewed as much vitriol about players and coaches as anyone on here. And now you're going to act all high and mighty? Please...
I railed on Wojo a ton, first and foremost - as well as Buzz in his last year for putting Derrick Wilson in a position he had no business being in - playing 3)+ minutes per game. 95% of my "vitriol" was toward the coaches - and in rebuttals to complete idiots here who suggested Derrick Wilson has worthy of 30+ minutes per game..and that Wojo had no other option(s) - like Carlino or Duane Wilson weren't capable of replacing Derrick Wilson.
So, theres been exactly one player in roughly 15ish years on Scoop that I've been highly critical of - and that was largely directed toward the coaches, and in response to guys like BrewCity who thought we'd be better with Derrick Wilson at PG than Junior Cadougan.
But, nice try.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 23, 2025, 03:45:10 PMYou can believe in Shaka's philosophy which is fine if you bring in some top recruits. But some of his recruits have not panned out. I thought Owens was going to be a star here, he has totally regressed. Parham has not moved the meter either. Now add a pitiful junior class and you have this team. Next year unless the frosh step in right now and play, the team looks even weaker. So unless you add a portal player this program and Shaka are going down. Adding one player should not be that hard, and there's at least 5 players that can go. Here is the problem why players do not leave MU, there MLI money here is very good.
Money Laundering Investments?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 23, 2025, 03:51:05 PMI railed on Wojo a ton, first and foremost - as well as Buzz in his last year for putting Derrick Wilson in a position he had no business being in - playing 3)+ minutes per game. 95% of my "vitriol" was toward the coaches - and in rebuttals to complete idiots here who suggested Derrick Wilson has worthy of 30+ minutes per game..and that Wojo had no other option(s) - like Carlino or Duane Wilson weren't capable of replacing Derrick Wilson.
So, theres been exactly one player in roughly 15ish years on Scoop that I've been highly critical of - and that was largely directed toward the coaches, and in response to guys like BrewCity who thought we'd be better with Derrick Wilson at PG than Junior Cadougan.
But, nice try.
Thanks for admitting I was right. Maybe you should step down from your pulpit.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 23, 2025, 02:54:38 PMMU needs rentals, I do not care if they will be a junior or senior, but time to use the portal next year. You can say what ever you want about Boyd, but he is nice one year rental, just like Tonje last year.
Greg Gard has proven to be a failed coach. Why would you want to replicate his methods?
FWIW, while I like Shaka's recruit/develop/retain philosophy, I also think he should strongly consider bringing in select transfers. The suggestion that he should have added a guy like Boyd instead of a four-year starter like James was silly.
Quote from: MU82 on November 23, 2025, 05:45:45 PMGreg Gard has proven to be a failed coach. Why would you want to replicate his methods?
FWIW, while I like Shaka's recruit/develop/retain philosophy, I also think he should strongly consider bringing in select transfers. The suggestion that he should have added a guy like Boyd instead of a four-year starter like James was silly.
Exactly. Gard portaled over a prized recruit and potential stud in Freitag two years in a row and never gave him a chance. Hopefully, this strategy catches up to them on the recruiting trail. I don't want to see us doing the same thing.
I think Shaka does it mostly right and has honest discussions with guys who have been in the program a few years that just aren't cut out for high major ball (Ellis, Itejere, Amadou, etc). Though, we've replaced them with more young guys when I think we should be looking to the portal in these types of cases. For example, I know we're excited for Sheek and Phillips (who both skipped their senior year of high school), but maybe it'd be better if we had nabbed a senior in the portal instead and just had one of them join the team next year. A move like that could make us more competitive this year while still preserving the way Shaka wants to run this program.
Random question, but did Shaka ever comment on Al Amadou transferring out? I thought something might be said about it around the start of the season but until now, I still haven't heard anyone from the program comment on it.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 23, 2025, 06:21:09 PMExactly. Gard portaled over a prized recruit and potential stud in Freitag two years in a row and never gave him a chance. Hopefully, this strategy catches up to them on the recruiting trail. I don't want to see us doing the same thing.
I think Shaka does it mostly right and has honest discussions with guys who have been in the program a few years that just aren't cut out for high major ball (Ellis, Itejere, Amadou, etc). Though, we've replaced them with more young guys when I think we should be looking to the portal in these types of cases. For example, I know we're excited for Sheek and Phillips (who both skipped their senior year of high school), but maybe it'd be better if we had nabbed a senior in the portal instead and just had one of them join the team next year. A move like that could make us more competitive this year while still preserving the way Shaka wants to run this program.
Freitag was only there a year. And, he is averaging 21 a game no at Buffalo this in his second season of college, including Bucky. No redshirts.
Let's forget about the Badgers, do you like what UConn does?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 23, 2025, 10:27:31 AMMy point is that it most likely wasn't a random person betting on a Marquette player. It was likely a garbage fan of the program that is upset we aren't good.
how would you come across that shiit? I guess it's why I don't do social media, unless you call this social media. btw, if there's a law enforcement techie that can ID that piece of trash, and if there's no legal consequences, make him read his posts to his mom.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 23, 2025, 03:04:29 PMWe can shoot for not winning Tournament games without adding transfers. Greg Gard has made two Sweet Sixteens, one the year Bo Ryan coached the first half of the season and the other the next season, with all of Bo Ryan's players. He has 3 Tournament wins in the 8 seasons since. Shaka doesn't need to take a page from Greg Gard's book at all.
what you state is correct. Head-to-head, however? Ugh. (BUT, I actually think we might get one in Madison in two weeks. Fear Purdue. Red? No)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 23, 2025, 10:27:31 AMMy point is that it most likely wasn't a random person betting on a Marquette player. It was likely a garbage fan of the program that is upset we aren't good.
NCAA study released last week finds over 1/3 of men's basketball players harassed by bettors:
https://www.ncaa.org/news/2025/11/18/media-center-ncaa-study-finds-over-one-third-of-di-mens-basketball-student-athletes-harassed-by-bettors.aspx
Growing trend for these to be fellow students or "fans" and not random people. It's a massive problem.
An article from the other day with quotes from Kelsey and Pope and some of their players on the issue (there are dozens more):
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/sports/college/2025/11/21/college-basketball-prop-bets-harassment-louisville-pat-kelsey-jeff-brohm-arrest-threats-ncaa/87355124007/#
But yeah, in general, the normal fans could also be nicer. Marquette ones included.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 23, 2025, 10:26:35 AMWas just about to post the same thing. Omitting those guys when talking about development is crazy.
And that's why a lot of people were cautiously optimistic about this season.
I understand this argument but weren't all these players showing more, much earlier in their Marquette careers than some on the current roster.
It's better to have a higher level of baseline of talent to work with.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on November 23, 2025, 09:06:29 PMI understand this argument but weren't all these players showing more, much earlier in their Marquette careers than some on the current roster.
It's better to have a higher level of baseline of talent to work with.
I don't think so.
Look at Jop from his freshman to sophomore year and then how he continued to improve as a defender the rest of his career. 2.8 PPG to 9.2 PPG. I think if that's what we would have seen so far from Owen we'd be satisfied (I know scoring isn't everything but that was Jop's role as a 6th man that season).
Look at OMax's jump from his sophomore to junior season. He transferred here after averaging 2.5 PPG at Clemson and then went 5.4 to 12.5 to a 1st round draft pick. Improved his efficiency each year.
You can argue that some of those guys have a higher ceiling than guys on our current team but Jop certainly didn't have the athleticism that an Owens does.
Maybe that 22-23 season was just finding lightning in a bottle with all of the massive improvements guys had at the same time when it isn't always linear.
Ben, Royce, and Damarius just haven't improved nearly enough and I was even hoping for more from Zaide. Maybe that wasn't realistic.
However, I thought we'd have a strong defense and that's been the most surprising thing to me.
A fair number of posters wanted the keys turned over to Sean on day 1, as TKo simply wasn't a Big East PG after his first year at MU. And Oso wasn't big enough or strong enough to be a Big East center.
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2025, 08:49:59 AMA fair number of posters wanted the keys turned over to Sean on day 1, as TKo simply wasn't a Big East PG after his first year at MU. And Oso wasn't big enough or strong enough to be a Big East center.
Thanks.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 24, 2025, 08:28:54 AMHowever, I thought we'd have a strong defense and that's been the most surprising thing to me.
Nice post. The last line is what has really bothered me the most about this year's team. Instead of a havoc-style D we have a Swiss cheese D. :(
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2025, 08:49:59 AMA fair number of posters wanted the keys turned over to Sean on day 1, as TKo simply wasn't a Big East PG after his first year at MU. And Oso wasn't big enough or strong enough to be a Big East center.
Thanks for the reminder, Tower. Any optimism that is not airy is a welcome relief.
This team has a lot of room for growth. The defense has been disappointing. The 2025 portal doesn't matter anymore, except to say 'woe is MU'. The only question is how much the 12 scholarship players improve as the season progresses.
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2025, 09:47:59 AMThis team has a lot of room for growth. The defense has been disappointing. The 2025 portal doesn't matter anymore, except to say 'woe is MU'. The only question is how much the 12 scholarship players improve as the season progresses.
Again...thanks! I honestly hope that my calling the D "Swiss cheese" can be shoved in my face later this season.
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2025, 09:47:59 AMThis team has a lot of room for growth. The defense has been disappointing. The 2025 portal doesn't matter anymore, except to say 'woe is MU'. The only question is how much the 12 scholarship players improve as the season progresses.
When do you think we will see some improvements? 7 games in and it seems we are getting worse
Quote from: warriors141 on November 24, 2025, 10:02:06 AMWhen do you think we will see some improvements? 7 games in and it seems we are getting worse
I think the 12 playing are all legit D1 players. My assumption that they would all effortlessly slide into new roles was mistaken.
To my eyes, they are running a different man to man defense than previously. So, with time and reps, I expect the communication, the doubling, the weak side rotations to start kicking in.
I think the next time they clear it out for Chase in the last seconds of a tie game, he takes the shot.
I hope that a nine man rotation
reveals itself on the court.
I am reminded of Shaka's first season when the team didn't know what a good shot was and fired up 3's instead of getting to the next movement. I think this team figures it out like they did.
Shaka talks about clarity of mind. That comes when a player/team has a complete understanding of roles and responsibilities. This team isn't there yet. My fear is that they get there too late.
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2025, 10:16:10 AMI think the 12 playing are all legit D1 players. My assumption that they would all effortlessly slide into new roles was mistaken.
To my eyes, they are running a different man to man defense than previously. So, with time and reps, I expect the communication, the doubling, the weak side rotations to start kicking in.
I think the next time they clear it out for Chase in the last seconds of a tie game, he takes the shot.
I hope that a nine man rotation
reveals itself on the court.
I am reminded of Shaka's first season when the team didn't know what a good shot was and fired up 3's instead of getting to the next movement. I think this team figures it out like they did.
Shaka talks about clarity of mind. That comes when a player/team has a complete understanding of roles and responsibilities. This team isn't there yet. My fear is that they get there too late.
We are missing the tournament this year. Next year we will likely be worse without additions from the portal, but we likely aren't using the portal. If we miss next year is Shaka fired? Some are suggesting that would be the case.
If he is...that's another step back as the program has to restart from scratch. If he isn't, there is a lot of pressure on that following season. It seems we are a long time away for competing for Big East Titles, Tournament appearances, etc. That stings!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 24, 2025, 11:59:19 AMWe are missing the tournament this year. Next year we will likely be worse without additions from the portal, but we likely aren't using the portal. If we miss next year is Shaka fired? Some are suggesting that would be the case.
If he is...that's another step back as the program has to restart from scratch. If he isn't, there is a lot of pressure on that following season. It seems we are a long time away for competing for Big East Titles, Tournament appearances, etc. That stings!
Shaka isn't getting fired. And, unless there is an unexpected departure, it is impossible for him to use the portal this coming offseason.
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2025, 12:03:12 PMShaka isn't getting fired. And, unless there is an unexpected departure, it is impossible for him to use the portal this coming offseason.
You don't think there is any scenario where he is fired if they miss the tournament this year and next? Some have suggested he would.
'Some' have.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 24, 2025, 12:07:30 PMYou don't think there is any scenario where he is fired if they miss the tournament this year and next? Some have suggested he would.
Not Tower but I think it's unlikely based on what he did his first 4 years. If not year is a disaster and prospects for that following year don't look much better I suppose it could be a possibility.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 24, 2025, 12:31:32 PMNot Tower but I think it's unlikely based on what he did his first 4 years. If not year is a disaster and prospects for that following year don't look much better I suppose it could be a possibility.
I just find it hard to believe Marquette would find that acceptable, with a model that promotes growth. The trajectory should be going up, not down in years 5 and 6. We've basically restarted the program in year 5 and are in a much worse place than we were year 1.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 24, 2025, 12:34:59 PMI just find it hard to believe Marquette would find that acceptable, with a model that promotes growth. The trajectory should be going up, not down in years 5 and 6. We've basically restarted the program in year 5 and are in a much worse place than we were year 1.
I think he's safe after two years without the tourney. But then he's firmly on the hot seat. No tourney in three consecutive seasons ought to be a fireable offense, barring exceptional circumstances.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 24, 2025, 12:39:00 PMI think he's safe after two years without the tourney. But then he's firmly on the hot seat. No tourney in three consecutive seasons ought to be a fireable offense, barring exceptional circumstances.
I could see that.
Does seem like a pretty long leash in the modern era though considering none of these players have any commitments to the program for more than a year at a time. If things go south 2 years in a row, any of these guys could up and leave at anytime and that would really throw a wrench in the plan.
I'm rooting for him! Hope to see some individual improvements from guys this year. Particularly the Sophomore class. They are so important to this model right now.
Golden Eagle, you're exactly right. I thought MU was on an uptick totally and by year 5 and 6 MU should be a team that would be in the top 20 year in and year out. The NLI situation probably has hurt Shaka as his philosophy is to pay as they go, not overpaying a frosh. I guarantee Shaka outworked Calapari for JJ Andrews, but for some it is all about the money. What's my main gripe is Shaka's inability to recruit local kids, really thought Shaka had a chance on Dooney, oh well
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 24, 2025, 12:34:59 PMI just find it hard to believe Marquette would find that acceptable, with a model that promotes growth. The trajectory should be going up, not down in years 5 and 6. We've basically restarted the program in year 5 and are in a much worse place than we were year 1.
I don't think it's black & white - you have to look at a variety of factors. And yes, on-court performance is absolutely the most important.
Like it or not, there are going to be ebbs & flows with this program. I think someone shared recently that Marquette is one of only 6 or 7 schools that have made the tourney the last 4 years in a row.
It's Shaka's job to minimize the amount of down years.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 24, 2025, 12:39:00 PMI think he's safe after two years without the tourney. But then he's firmly on the hot seat. No tourney in three consecutive seasons ought to be a fireable offense, barring exceptional circumstances.
Agreed.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 24, 2025, 12:58:52 PMGolden Eagle, you're exactly right. I thought MU was on an uptick totally and by year 5 and 6 MU should be a team that would be in the top 20 year in and year out. The NLI situation probably has hurt Shaka as his philosophy is to pay as they go, not overpaying a frosh. I guarantee Shaka outworked Calapari for JJ Andrews, but for some it is all about the money. What's my main gripe is Shaka's inability to recruit local kids, really thought Shaka had a chance on Dooney, oh well
Natural Language Interface?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 24, 2025, 12:07:30 PMYou don't think there is any scenario where he is fired if they miss the tournament this year and next? Some have suggested he would.
ZERO
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 24, 2025, 02:00:07 PMZERO
Back to back last place finishes in the BE might do it.
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2025, 08:49:59 AMA fair number of posters wanted the keys turned over to Sean on day 1, as TKo simply wasn't a Big East PG after his first year at MU. And Oso wasn't big enough or strong enough to be a Big East center.
And then the second year under Shaka began and that changed quickly.
We are all waiting for this to happen with the current roster with second, third and fourth year Shaka players. When it happens like Oso and Kolek and Kam and Stevie amd Omax and Jop their second year this will be an accurate comparison and more relevant.
Quote from: LAZER on November 24, 2025, 03:07:18 PMBack to back last place finishes in the BE might do it.
Why bother with this nonsense.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 24, 2025, 11:59:19 AMWe are missing the tournament this year. Next year we will likely be worse without additions from the portal, but we likely aren't using the portal. If we miss next year is Shaka fired? Some are suggesting that would be the case.
If he is...that's another step back as the program has to restart from scratch. If he isn't, there is a lot of pressure on that following season. It seems we are a long time away for competing for Big East Titles, Tournament appearances, etc. That stings!
Are you saying the gap exists? Consult with Reeker, he does not think so.
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 24, 2025, 06:31:00 PMWhy bother with this nonsense.
Lol that was a little tongue in cheek. I do think there's a scenario where it could happen.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 24, 2025, 06:34:24 PMAre you saying the gap exists? Consult with Reeker, he does not think so.
Willard gap grows
Quote from: tower912 on November 24, 2025, 12:03:12 PMShaka isn't getting fired. And, unless there is an unexpected departure, it is impossible for him to use the portal this coming offseason.
I visit MUScoop almost daily, but have to speed read quite often to get caught up. Quick question Tower, we had Ellis, Itejere and Amadouu move on when it was apparent they were not a fit here. It seems we MAY have that scenario play out this year. Does it not? And isn't there a world where Shaka has a come to Jesus meeting with that/those players? Maybe "help" them find a landing spot where they can get the PT and the NIL money? THEN go to the portal?
I think that is a real possibility if things don't start to gel with this roster.
Quote from: romey on November 25, 2025, 05:59:04 PMI visit MUScoop almost daily, but have to speed read quite often to get caught up. Quick question Tower, we had Ellis, Itejere and Amadouu move on when it was apparent they were not a fit here. It seems we MAY have that scenario play out this year. Does it not? And isn't there a world where Shaka has a come to Jesus meeting with that/those players? Maybe "help" them find a landing spot where they can get the PT and the NIL money? THEN go to the portal?
I think that is a real possibility if things don't start to gel with this roster.
That's the reality if they want to be competitive in this day and age. Clinging on to relationships might not get him to where he needs to be.
Quote from: Markusquette on November 25, 2025, 06:02:45 PMThat's the reality if they want to be competitive in this day and age. Clinging on to relationships might not get him to where he needs to be.
The downside to that, is it may be harder to sell RGV to the HS recruit. Recent commits have said they value Shaka's "family" atmosphere and likely feel there is less chance of being recruited over.
The above change could be seen as contradictory.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 24, 2025, 12:58:52 PMGolden Eagle, you're exactly right. I thought MU was on an uptick totally and by year 5 and 6 MU should be a team that would be in the top 20 year in and year out. The NLI situation probably has hurt Shaka as his philosophy is to pay as they go, not overpaying a frosh. I guarantee Shaka outworked Calapari for JJ Andrews, but for some it is all about the money. What's my main gripe is Shaka's inability to recruit local kids, really thought Shaka had a chance on Dooney, oh well
Dooney has handlers that from everything Shaka has said and done in the past....wasn't about.
Quote from: 79Warrior on November 24, 2025, 02:00:07 PMZERO
Question should be, will he be fired vs should he be fired after no big dance after 2 years?Will he be fired: answer is no.
Should he be fired: Yes, if he does not show Flexibility on his no portal policy. That is he does not learn from mistakes for any number of reasons.
Recruits get paid well at MU, will a marginal player leave or they realize they have it pretty good at MU, no mid major program pays like MU does, so they stay. Now if Shaka buzz cuts them different story
I think Shaka is honest with guys and it's up to them to determine what the best course of action is.
I don't think Shaka would "cut" someone.
I think Tre is the perfect example of that on this year's roster.
I appreciate the perspectives from the loyal. Yet, I thought a someone with real life perspective might be more instructive in this moment of panic by the Loyal
https://youtu.be/8BfOR-GC00s?si=0_rUYYS_naNrRvk3
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 25, 2025, 06:49:56 PMI think Shaka is honest with guys and it's up to them to determine what the best course of action is.
I don't think Shaka would "cut" someone.
I think Tre is the perfect example of that on this year's roster.
are you saying...up to the player? Shaka tells a kid he's in over his head...but the kid decides? I hope I'm misinterpreting here. If not, That absolutely can't be. I remember a guy on my HS team got cut...mid-season!! Coach never said..we have a jv guy that's a stud, I'd like him to take your position on the team...but hey, only if you agree!!! If a guy isn't as anticipated, the coach MUST make the hard decision. Buck stops with the coach, not the player.
Quote from: Viper on November 25, 2025, 07:39:06 PMare you saying...up to the player? Shaka tells a kid he's in over his head...but the kid decides? I hope I'm misinterpreting here. If not, That absolutely can't be. I remember a guy on my HS team got cut...mid-season!! Coach never said..we have a jv guy that's a stud, I'd like him to take your position on the team...but hey, only if you agree!!! If a guy isn't as anticipated, the coach MUST make the hard decision. Buck stops with the coach, not the player.
Dodds??
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 25, 2025, 08:32:53 PMDodds??
It makes so much sense. Dodds cant be negative on his own board so this is his alter ego on here.
Quote from: Viper on November 25, 2025, 07:39:06 PMare you saying...up to the player? Shaka tells a kid he's in over his head...but the kid decides? I hope I'm misinterpreting here. If not, That absolutely can't be. I remember a guy on my HS team got cut...mid-season!! Coach never said..we have a jv guy that's a stud, I'd like him to take your position on the team...but hey, only if you agree!!! If a guy isn't as anticipated, the coach MUST make the hard decision. Buck stops with the coach, not the player.
With 15 scholarships, of course that's a possibility. To say "that absolutely can't be" is ludicrous.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 25, 2025, 09:40:29 PMWith 15 scholarships, of course that's a possibility. To say "that absolutely can't be" is ludicrous.
Yes.....
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 25, 2025, 09:40:29 PMWith 15 scholarships, of course that's a possibility. To say "that absolutely can't be" is ludicrous.
😂
Quote from: MU82 on November 23, 2025, 05:45:45 PMGreg Gard has proven to be a failed coach. Why would you want to replicate his methods?
FWIW, while I like Shaka's recruit/develop/retain philosophy, I also think he should strongly consider bringing in select transfers. The suggestion that he should have added a guy like Boyd instead of a four-year starter like James was silly.
Boyd had 36 yesterday, 15-25 not bad
Cool. Wake me when you learn how to quote posts properly. And then wake me again when your favorite coach leads your beloved Weasels to anything tangible.
First off, Gard is not even my favorite coach, not even close. But he changed his philosophy from boring Ryan basketball to an up tempo style, uses the portal and for them it works. I respect Shaka's philosophy but not sure you can win his way. Adding a transfer would have helped last year, this year and maybe next year. Time will tell.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 28, 2025, 01:11:51 PMFirst off, Gard is not even my favorite coach, not even close. But he changed his philosophy from boring Ryan basketball to an up tempo style, uses the portal and for them it works. I respect Shaka's philosophy but not sure you can win his way. Adding a transfer would have helped last year, this year and maybe next year. Time will tell.
What has Gard won with his new and improved philosophy?
I'm not sure a team can win Shaka's way long-term, either. Most Scoopers aren't, really. This season certainly has been a test, and the grades aren't great so far. But yes, time will tell.
Gards done enough to keep his job, bringing in Tonje and Boyd this year is very impressive, wonder what they were paid to come there? Always in the Top 5 in that conference is shocking, he can coach.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 28, 2025, 01:11:51 PMFirst off, Gard is not even my favorite coach, not even close. But he changed his philosophy from boring Ryan basketball to an up tempo style, uses the portal and for them it works. I respect Shaka's philosophy but not sure you can win his way. Adding a transfer would have helped last year, this year and maybe next year. Time will tell.
Gard's exciting up tempo style is such an improvement from Bo's boring basketball that Greg has won 3 Tournament games in the 8 years he has not had the benefit of having a roster full of Bo Ryan's players.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 28, 2025, 02:26:39 PMGard's exciting up tempo style is such an improvement from Bo's boring basketball that Greg has won 3 Tournament games in the 8 years he has not had the benefit of having a roster full of Bo Ryan's players.
He also recruits kids that can put the ball in the hole, something MU is lacking.
Pretty crazy he finds Tonje and then Boyd
Transfer portal kicked Shaka's ass again today.
Quote from: PointWarrior on November 28, 2025, 03:27:14 PMTransfer portal kicked Shaka's ass again today.
but, but, but. RVG. We have product to sell!
https://spiritshop.marquette.edu/rgv/
First bumpy year is going to bring out a lot of crying.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 28, 2025, 01:53:30 PMGards done enough to keep his job, bringing in Tonje and Boyd this year is very impressive, wonder what they were paid to come there? Always in the Top 5 in that conference is shocking, he can coach.
I was watching a San Diego TV station yesterday and the sportscaster commented on Boyd's good game since he was previously at SDSU. He ended by saying: "It's believed that Boyd was paid one million dollars to join the Badgers."
Not sure if it's true or not. Just repeating what the San Diego sports guy said.
I would say that's about right!
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 28, 2025, 04:24:36 PMI would say that's about right!
I would say how little badgers pay football players, no one is getting a paid a million to play hoops.
Quote from: Big Papi on November 28, 2025, 04:27:42 PMI would say how little badgers pay football players, no one is getting a paid a million to play hoops.
Bingo.
Boyd was an attractive option in the portal. He didn't get peanuts either.
Tell you were NLI is, how much you think Nolan Minnesale gets at St Thomas?
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 28, 2025, 05:31:35 PMTell you were NLI is, how much you think Nolan Minnesale gets at St Thomas?
A 6'4" guard that can't shoot. He'd do awesome in the Big East.
I think his NLI was worth the price of the sheet of paper it was printed out and signed on.
Is he better then Tre Norman?
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 28, 2025, 06:13:20 PMIs he better then Tre Norman?
Yeah, speaking of 6'4 guys who can't shoot...
Is this self inflicted or do we not have enough money for NIL
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on November 28, 2025, 06:16:47 PMIs this self inflicted or we not have enough money for NIL
Self inflicted.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 28, 2025, 03:11:09 PMHe also recruits kids that can put the ball in the hole, something MU is lacking.
That is a huge part of the problem. Even if we picked up a player or two in the portal, the roster is a recruiting miss. Way too many projects, the whole front court is a disaster. Looking like we need some major help.
Quote from: wadesworld on November 28, 2025, 06:31:37 PMSelf inflicted.
This is great being the Ted Thompson led Packers of NCAA. Build from within, don't take people from other teams/ programs, refuse to do what literally everyone else is, relationships, culture, blah, blah, blah. And history is clear how this worked for Ted. He caught lightning in a bottle one year, otherwise season after season of disappointment and underachievement.
To me the issues go deeper than Shaka's use of the portal. The talent identification has not been as good as it needs to be.
Players also have not developed as they should. The lack of development of Gold offensively is really stunning to me. Gold is 6'11" and he has not posted up once in his career that I can recall. He's essentially a mediocre 3pt shooter who can be defended by a player a foot smaller. I really don't think that Gold's complete lack of an inside game is on Gold. That's on the coaching staff.
The three-happy offense hasn't been working for some time. MU started hot today and then reverted to the mean. The offensive philosophy needs some reevaluation.
There's no excuse for MU to be as bad as they are on defense.
I always hear great things about Todd Smith but Parham doesn't seem very strong with the ball.
How common is it for a solid program with no players lost and no coaching change to not just regress but fall off a cliff?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on November 28, 2025, 09:12:00 PMTo me the issues go deeper than Shaka's use of the portal. The talent identification has not been as good as it needs to be.
Players also have not developed as they should. The lack of development of Gold offensively is really stunning to me. Gold is 6'11" and he has not posted up once in his career that I can recall. He's essentially a mediocre 3pt shooter who can be defended by a player a foot smaller. I really don't think that Gold's complete lack of an inside game is on Gold. That's on the coaching staff.
The three-happy offense hasn't been working for some time. MU started hot today and then reverted to the mean. The offensive philosophy needs some reevaluation.
There's no excuse for MU to be as bad as they are on defense.
I always hear great things about Todd Smith but Parham doesn't seem very strong with the ball.
How common is it for a solid program with no players lost and no coaching change to not just regress but fall off a cliff?
I don't think Gold was ever going to be a back to the basket guy. That's just not who he is and that's fine. But to game in and game out be left with wide open looks and not be able to knock some in is just mind boggling from a senior and guy recruited as a shooter. His shot is flat again, not that anyone on the staff seems to be able to fix that problem.
5 years in to Shaka and worse than we were with Wojo in his final year. Yikes
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 28, 2025, 09:18:41 PMI don't think Gold was ever going to be a back to the basket guy. That's just not who he is and that's fine. But to game in and game out be left with wide open looks and not be able to knock some in is just mind boggling from a senior and guy recruited as a shooter. His shot is flat again, not that anyone on the staff seems to be able to fix that problem.
When an opponent switches and a guard ends up on Gold, Gold should be able to take him inside. He can't because he doesn't even have the most basic of post-up moves. He doesn't need to take up permanent residence on the block to be able to take advantage of what the defense is making available. Instead he just sets screens and runs to the 3pt line.
As for his shooting, MU's staff appears to have overemphasized speed of release. Pro teams have dedicated shooting coaches. MU could use one.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on November 28, 2025, 09:12:00 PMTo me the issues go deeper than Shaka's use of the portal. The talent identification has not been as good as it needs to be.
Players also have not developed as they should. The lack of development of Gold offensively is really stunning to me. Gold is 6'11" and he has not posted up once in his career that I can recall. He's essentially a mediocre 3pt shooter who can be defended by a player a foot smaller. I really don't think that Gold's complete lack of an inside game is on Gold. That's on the coaching staff.
The three-happy offense hasn't been working for some time. MU started hot today and then reverted to the mean. The offensive philosophy needs some reevaluation.
There's no excuse for MU to be as bad as they are on defense.
I always hear great things about Todd Smith but Parham doesn't seem very strong with the ball.
How common is it for a solid program with no players lost and no coaching change to not just regress but fall off a cliff?
No players lost? We lost a ton from last year.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on November 28, 2025, 09:41:56 PMNo players lost? We lost a ton from last year.
No players lost before exhausting eligibility. Nothing significant has occurred that was unexpected.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on November 28, 2025, 06:40:50 PMThis is great being the Ted Thompson led Packers of NCAA. Build from within, don't take people from other teams/ programs, refuse to do what literally everyone else is, relationships, culture, blah, blah, blah. And history is clear how this worked for Ted. He caught lightning in a bottle one year, otherwise season after season of disappointment and underachievement.
Like 95% of the NFL wish they could've had Ted's success. Similar to the percent of college basketball programs that would take Shaka's level of success.
Bumping this up.
its 2026.
Talked to an Aztec fan the other day. He thinks Miles Byrd did little to improve his draft stock this season and due to kind of losing that opportunity, he will look to transfer to another program which plays a disruptive defensive scheme and lots of transition scoring. He does have a propensity to over-gamble for steals, but so did Chase, and MB is an upgrade based on frame. Ironically, like Chase, he also failed to convert this year on some crunch time buckets. He's 6'6" with a 7' wingspan and it sure would be nice having him and DO creating upheaval out there in the passing lanes with the improving on-ball D from Adrian and Nigel. Get him and a solid rim protector in the portal and we're back. Add a decent backup PG to that mix and the sky is the limit.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on March 13, 2026, 04:42:47 PMTalked to an Aztec fan the other day. He thinks Miles Byrd did little to improve his draft stock this season and due to kind of losing that opportunity, he will look to transfer to another program which plays a disruptive defensive scheme and lots of transition scoring. He does have a propensity to over-gamble for steals, but so did Chase, and MB is an upgrade based on frame. Ironically, like Chase, he also failed to convert this year on some crunch time buckets. He's 6'6" with a 7' wingspan and it sure would be nice having him and DO creating upheaval out there in the passing lanes with the improving on-ball D from Adrian and Nigel. Get him and a solid rim protector in the portal and we're back. Add a decent backup PG to that mix and the sky is the limit.
Give me a good starting 5, Byrd, and Minessale and let's ride.
Quote from: BCHoopster on November 28, 2025, 06:13:20 PMIs he better then Tre Norman?
You mean 0 for the season from three Norman?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 13, 2026, 05:59:33 PMGive me a good starting 5, Byrd, and Minessale and let's ride.
I like it, but the center is easily the most important part of this equation. Interested to see the caliber we can afford.
To right this ship....Start filling up the arena and not go the way of Georgetown....
Time to spend a few million.....A few of that $800 million they have in the bank....(that is $24 millon in interest alone)
A wise investment if required....
Shaka can donte a million to....After all....He is the one who screwed this up.....
Quote from: burger on March 14, 2026, 04:54:00 AMTo right this ship....Start filling up the arena and not go the way of Georgetown....
Time to spend a few million.....A few of that $800 million they have in the bank....(that is $24 millon in interest alone)
A wise investment if required....
Shaka can donte a million to....After all....He is the one who screwed this up.....
Who has $800 million in the bank?
And oh boy. Another poster thinking a "losers tax" is appropriate.
Quote from: burger on March 14, 2026, 04:54:00 AMTo right this ship....Start filling up the arena and not go the way of Georgetown....
Time to spend a few million.....A few of that $800 million they have in the bank....(that is $24 millon in interest alone)
A wise investment if required....
Shaka can donte a million to....After all....He is the one who screwed this up.....
Huh?? "800 m in the bank"? I'm lost.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 14, 2026, 08:01:44 AMWho has $800 million in the bank?
And oh boy. Another poster thinking a "losers tax" is appropriate.
Georgetown here we come. We're doomed. Doomed, I say! ::)
Quote from: wadesworld on March 14, 2026, 08:01:44 AMWho has $800 million in the bank?
And oh boy. Another poster thinking a "losers tax" is appropriate.
He's talking about Marquette's endowment.
We need 4 to 6 very strong players each year to be a great team. The rest can be developmental, prospect, and/or turn over each year.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 13, 2026, 07:09:03 PMI like it, but the center is easily the most important part of this equation. Interested to see the caliber we can afford.
Need a high usage guy - not likely a center. Byrd can't shoot. But NM is willing with the rock.
Need a high usage guy, bad.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 14, 2026, 09:44:43 AMHe's talking about Marquette's endowment.
I am not the one who lives in Wisconsin where some of their tax money will go to the "rodents" NIL for basketball and football....
I would be kind of pissed about that.....
Quote from: The Sultan on March 14, 2026, 09:44:43 AMHe's talking about Marquette's endowment.
Ya....that doesn't mean we have 800m in the bank.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 14, 2026, 09:58:00 AMYa....that doesn't mean we have 800m in the bank.
Well investment accounts. But he didn't say that we could spend that much.
Quote from: burger on March 14, 2026, 09:54:48 AMI am not the one who lives in Wisconsin where some of their tax money will go to the "rodents" NIL for basketball and football....
I would be kind of pissed about that.....
That bill stalled and that's not what would be happening. The state would be paying athletic debt obligations to free up athletic revenue for NIL.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 14, 2026, 10:08:43 AMThat bill stalled and that's not what would be happening. The state would be paying athletic debt obligations to free up athletic revenue for NIL.
Tomato tomahto
Quote from: wadesworld on March 14, 2026, 08:01:44 AMWho has $800 million in the bank?
And oh boy. Another poster thinking a "losers tax" is appropriate.
He's referring to MU's endowment. As we know, that's just free money for athletics to use for NIL. That's why you allways find the Ivy's, Stanford, MIT and Georgetown at the top of the CBB rankings every year:
https://www.nil-wire.com/p/could-schools-pay-nil-out-of-their-endowment
Quote from: The Sultan on March 14, 2026, 10:06:40 AMWell investment accounts. But he didn't say that we could spend that much.
There are massive restrictions on using endowment coin.
So laundering fungible tax dollars into. NIL. That is so much better then.
Quote from: Badgerhater on March 14, 2026, 11:46:03 AMSo laundering fungible tax dollars into. NIL. That is so much better then.
No. Thaf sucks as well.
Would seem likely to follow his coach to K-State, but would be a much-needed shooter for MU.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2033547876681372103?s=20
Heard Stefan Vaaks from Providence is in the Portal
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on March 17, 2026, 09:18:48 AMHeard Stefan Vaaks from Providence is in the Portal
When it became obvious that English was gonna get fired, I started thinking that maybe Vaaks could be a fit for Marquette. He's 6-7, he's a decent athlete, and he handles the basketball reasonably well. He shot 35% from 3 while taking a lot of difficult, sometimes undisciplined 3s, so if he was in a more disciplined attack with a great PG, he could improve his percentage. Providence was a horrible defensive team, so I'm not sure if he's bad at that end or just needs better defensive coaching/teammates/system.
6-7 you say? 8-) I'm in.
Corey Hadnot is better than vaaks and blaade
Jamie Kaiser from Butler is in. Glue player, strong defender at 6-6. He has two years remaining after redshirting in 2024-25. He didn't play in the Butler game at MU but had 11 points in the game against us at Hinkle.
https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2033920393522590076
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2026, 09:32:08 AMWhen it became obvious that English was gonna get fired, I started thinking that maybe Vaaks could be a fit for Marquette. He's 6-7, he's a decent athlete, and he handles the basketball reasonably well. He shot 35% from 3 while taking a lot of difficult, sometimes undisciplined 3s, so if he was in a more disciplined attack with a great PG, he could improve his percentage. Providence was a horrible defensive team, so I'm not sure if he's bad at that end or just needs better defensive coaching/teammates/system.
Vaaks was the worst of that crew. The word matador comes to mind! But, he can shoot!
Quote from: jfp61 on March 17, 2026, 09:58:28 AMCorey Hadnot is better than vaaks and blaade
Hadnot heard of him until now.
Jake Fiegen from Cornell entering the portal. First team Ivy League, shot 41% from 3, 17pts a game. From Chicago area, went to New Trier.
Quote from: LAZER on March 17, 2026, 03:11:14 PMJake Fiegen from Cornell entering the portal. First team Ivy League, shot 41% from 3, 17pts a game. From Chicago area, went to New Trier.
Definitely an area of cracked sidewalks... if they were strategically cracked by a high end designer in an aesthetically pleasing manner
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 17, 2026, 03:14:50 PMDefinitely an area of cracked sidewalks
Al McGuire would not be a "crack sidewalks" guy in 2026.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 17, 2026, 03:50:22 PMAl McGuire would not be a "crack sidewalks" guy in 2026.
He would likely be running the family bar in Rockaway.
Quote from: LAZER on March 17, 2026, 03:11:14 PMJake Fiegen from Cornell entering the portal. First team Ivy League, shot 41% from 3, 17pts a game. From Chicago area, went to New Trier.
Doubt that his grades would transfer over. We need better academics from transfers than a guy from Cornell for God's sake! Oh,
wait a minute...41% from 3, 17 pts. a game? I'm good with him coming to MU.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 17, 2026, 04:51:37 PMDoubt that his grades would transfer over. We need better academics from transfers than a guy from Cornell for God's sake! Oh, wait a minute...41% from 3, 17 pts. a game? I'm good with him coming to MU.
Vadgers cooled on him. Clearly couldn't handle the academic rigors in Madison.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 17, 2026, 04:51:37 PMDoubt that his grades would transfer over. We need better academics from transfers than a guy from Cornell for God's sake! Oh, wait a minute...41% from 3, 17 pts. a game? I'm good with him coming to MU.
From Cornell? Offensively, he was a black hole, son.
Quote from: LAZER on March 17, 2026, 03:11:14 PMJake Fiegen from Cornell entering the portal. First team Ivy League, shot 41% from 3, 17pts a game. From Chicago area, went to New Trier.
Concern would be poor D and that he played 1 top 50 quality game and wasn't great. I think you can look past that given the overwhelming value on offense.
Quote from: MU82 on March 17, 2026, 09:32:08 AMWhen it became obvious that English was gonna get fired, I started thinking that maybe Vaaks could be a fit for Marquette. He's 6-7, he's a decent athlete, and he handles the basketball reasonably well. He shot 35% from 3 while taking a lot of difficult, sometimes undisciplined 3s, so if he was in a more disciplined attack with a great PG, he could improve his percentage. Providence was a horrible defensive team, so I'm not sure if he's bad at that end or just needs better defensive coaching/teammates/system.
I believe he grades out as the worst defender in the Big East. I'd prefer Jamier Jones if we added someone from that team.
Wisconsin native Gavin Gores playing for Wyoming has much better movement skills than MU's bigs. Seems like he'd have been a better project big than Hamilton or Clark.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 17, 2026, 07:33:51 PMWisconsin native Gavin Gores playing for Wyoming has much better movement skills than MU's bigs. Seems like he'd have been a better project big than Hamilton or Clark.
The amateur scouting in this topic is reaching really phenomenal levels.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 17, 2026, 07:42:57 PMThe amateur scouting in this topic is reaching really phenomenal levels.
Nice insight.
It'll be interesting to see if you were right that MU needs a wing 3 more than a combo guard. Your insight seems to contradict Ben Steele's.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 17, 2026, 07:33:51 PMWisconsin native Gavin Gores playing for Wyoming has much better movement skills than MU's bigs. Seems like he'd have been a better project big than Hamilton or Clark.
I've never heard of him nor seen him play but I agree with you.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2026, 06:40:44 PMI believe he grades out as the worst defender in the Big East. I'd prefer Jamier Jones if we added someone from that team.
Thanks for the info, brew.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 17, 2026, 07:42:57 PMThe amateur scouting in this topic is reaching really phenomenal levels.
Goers, a 6-10 224 lb Cumberland, WI native, averaged 17 mpg, 7 pts and 3.5 reb as a true frosh. Obviously the BE > Mountain West but could Caeden have done that at Wyo 2 years ago as a true frosh? I say no. Would happily take Goers as a backup big moving forward. Not gonna move the needle too much, but an upgrade from Caden and Josh IMO.
Gores is much better than I expected him to be as a freshman but he is still a few years away from being able to play in the Big East, if ever.
I get our bigs were not good this year, but come on, we can and will do way better than adding someone like Gores.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 17, 2026, 11:14:13 PMGores is much better than I expected him to be as a freshman but he is still a few years away from being able to play in the Big East, if ever.
I get our bigs were not good this year, but come on, we can and will do way better than adding someone like Gores.
Totally agree. Need a much, much better big in the portal. Just saying Goers as a backup could be an upgrade to what we had this year.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 17, 2026, 11:14:13 PMGores is much better than I expected him to be as a freshman but he is still a few years away from being able to play in the Big East, if ever.
I get our bigs were not good this year, but come on, we can and will do way better than adding someone like Gores.
I didn't mean to say that MU should add Goers now. I thought it was interesting that an in-state kid might have proven to be a better flyer candidate than the flyers MU did take.
Based on pace of play and shot selection, we were unprecedentedly bad. It happens.
But if you're just looking to dunk on a take, is it your contention that Vaaks is a good defender?
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 17, 2026, 11:14:13 PMGores is much better than I expected him to be as a freshman but he is still a few years away from being able to play in the Big East, if ever.
I get our bigs were not good this year, but come on, we can and will do way better than adding someone like Gores.
sounds like a perfect candidate for Shaka's annual big man redshirt.
As of mid-March 2026, the transfer portal is just beginning to heat up. While many top-tier centers are currently focused on the NCAA Tournament, early activity and "insider" buzz have identified several high-impact big men who have either officially entered or are widely expected to test the waters.
Here are the best centers and interior "monsters" anticipated to be the prizes of the 2026 portal cycle:
1. Henri Veesaar | North Carolina (Jr.)
Status: High-impact "Stretch 5" candidate.
The Buzz: After a breakout season at UNC following his move from Arizona, Veesaar has become one of the most unique weapons in the country. Standing 7'0" and shooting 42% from three, he is the prototypical modern center. Programs looking for an elite floor-spacer who can also protect the rim will make him a priority if he decides to use his final year of eligibility elsewhere.
2. Aday Mara | Michigan (Jr.)
Status: Potential Portal Re-entry / NBA Draft Wildcard.
The Buzz: Mara was instrumental in Michigan's dominant 2025–26 season. At 7'3", his passing ability and interior efficiency (67.4% FG) make him a "cheat code" at the college level. While he has significant NBA interest, if he chooses to stay in college but seeks a new environment or a higher NIL valuation, he would immediately be the #1 center in the portal.
3. Jayden Quaintance | Kentucky (Soph.)
Status: High-upside "Modern Big."
The Buzz: A former five-star recruit, Quaintance is a physical specimen at 6'10", 255 lbs. Though his freshman/sophomore stats have been steady, scouts believe there is a massive offensive ceiling yet to be unlocked. If Kentucky sees roster attrition following their tournament run, Quaintance is a name frequently mentioned by analysts as a "must-get" portal target.
4. Zvonimir Ivisic | Arkansas (Sr.)
Status: Experienced rim protector.
The Buzz: Known as "Big Z," Ivisic remains one of the most skilled 7-footers in the game. Even in a backup or shared role, he provides elite shot-blocking and shooting range. As a veteran with high-major experience, he'll be targeted by "win-now" teams looking for a championship-caliber anchor.
5. Emerging Mid-Major & Young Stars
Several high-performing bigs from smaller conferences are already seeing early "entered" tags or heavy interest:
Player Current School Height Key Attribute
Melian Martinez TBA (Entered) 7'0" Elite shot-blocking (230 lbs)
Chol Machot TBA (Entered) 7'0" Mobile rim runner
Lazar Djokovic VCU 6'10" High-IQ playmaker; "Cinderella" catalyst
Bukky Oboye Santa Clara 7'0" Defensive specialist / Shot blocker
Well I just gave you a Top 10 centers that should be "open for business"
Will AI shooting guards next for a Top 10
Drilling down a little further with centers. (added 1 year of eligibility)
As the 2026 transfer portal season begins (officially opening April 7, 2026), the market for "instant-impact" big men is heating up. Teams are specifically hunting for mobile, veteran centers who can anchor a defense for one final season.
Based on current eligibility tracking and early portal entries, here are the top centers anticipated to have one year of eligibility remaining for the 2026-27 season.
1. Drew Fielder | Boise State
Status: Junior (Potential Entrant)
The Profile: Fielder is arguably the most coveted "stretch-five" prospect in the 2026 cycle. Standing 6'11", he earned Second-Team All-Mountain West honors this past season, averaging 14.7 points and shooting a remarkable 40.9% from three.
The Fit: High-major programs needing floor spacing and a modern big will likely offer significant NIL packages to lure him away from Boise State's move to the Pac-12.
2. Oscar Cluff | Purdue
Status: Senior (Potential 5th-year via Waiver/COVID)
The Profile: A traditional interior force, Cluff has been a model of efficiency for Matt Painter. He isn't a "game-wrecker" in the sense of scoring 20 PPG, but he is an elite interior finisher and a disciplined rim protector.
The Fit: If he hits the market, he is a "plug-and-play" starter for any Top-25 team needing a low-post anchor who won't command high usage but will provide veteran stability.
3. Ja'Quay Randolph | Maclay / Florida State Area (Mid-Major Gem)
Status: Junior (Entered Portal: March 17, 2026)
The Profile: At 6'10" and 240 lbs, Randolph is one of the first true centers to officially enter the 2026 portal. He is a high-motor rebounder who has drawn early interest for his physical presence and "stock" (steals + blocks) production.
4. Zvonimir Ivisic | Illinois
Status: Senior (Potential 5th-year)
The Profile: "Big Z" remains one of the most unique talents in college basketball. At 7'2", his ability to handle the ball and shoot from deep is professional-grade. While he served as a high-end backup at Illinois, a team looking for a high-ceiling starter for one year will view him as a primary target.
5. Izaiyah Nelson | South Florida
Status: Junior/Senior (High Retention Risk)
The Profile: The reigning American Athletic Conference Player of the Year. Nelson averaged nearly a double-double (15.7 PPG, 9.6 RPG) and shot 63% from the field.
The Fit: While USF will fight to keep him, his production makes him a "Power 5" priority. He represents the elite tier of mobile centers who can switch onto guards and dominate the glass.
Honorable Mentions (Bigs to Watch)
Evan Ramsey (7'0", 250 lbs): A massive interior presence who officially entered the portal on March 17.
Aday Mara (7'3", Michigan): While a sophomore, rumors of a potential move for a "fresh start" persist if he seeks a larger offensive role for his final years.
Zine Eddrine Bedri (6'10"): A versatile international big man expected to be a high-priority target for teams running high-low sets.
OK....So it only gave me 4 on the shooting guards to hit the portal with one year of eligibility.
One very interesting name that fits Shaka's "relationship" thing.....
Deep Dive on Key Targets
Tyler Lundblade (Belmont): He is the first major "domino" to fall. Following the departure of coach Casey Alexander to Kansas State, Lundblade officially expressed his intention to enter the portal as a graduate transfer. As the reigning MVC Player of the Year, he will be the most coveted mid-major prize for Power 4 schools needing a primary scoring option.
Otega Oweh (Kentucky): After a highly productive junior year under Mark Pope, Oweh enters his final year of eligibility. He has proven he can produce at the highest level of the SEC, specifically as a rim-pressurer in high-tempo offenses.
Seth Trimble (North Carolina): Trimble has been a foundational piece of the Tar Heels' backcourt. As a senior with one year left, his defensive versatility (guarding 1 through 3) and improved finishing make him a high-floor veteran for any contender.
Richie Saunders (BYU): If he chooses to use his final year elsewhere, he would be the premier "spacer" in the portal. Saunders posted an effective field goal percentage (eFG%) of 62% last season, making him one of the most efficient high-volume shooters in the country.
^^^ dude wth is this nonsense? Broke ass AI
Quote from: burger on March 18, 2026, 01:51:13 PMOK....So it only gave me 4 on the shooting guards to hit the portal with one year of eligibility.
One very interesting name that fits Shaka's "relationship" thing.....
Deep Dive on Key Targets
Tyler Lundblade (Belmont): He is the first major "domino" to fall. Following the departure of coach Casey Alexander to Kansas State, Lundblade officially expressed his intention to enter the portal as a graduate transfer. As the reigning MVC Player of the Year, he will be the most coveted mid-major prize for Power 4 schools needing a primary scoring option.
Otega Oweh (Kentucky): After a highly productive junior year under Mark Pope, Oweh enters his final year of eligibility. He has proven he can produce at the highest level of the SEC, specifically as a rim-pressurer in high-tempo offenses.
Seth Trimble (North Carolina): Trimble has been a foundational piece of the Tar Heels' backcourt. As a senior with one year left, his defensive versatility (guarding 1 through 3) and improved finishing make him a high-floor veteran for any contender.
Richie Saunders (BYU): If he chooses to use his final year elsewhere, he would be the premier "spacer" in the portal. Saunders posted an effective field goal percentage (eFG%) of 62% last season, making him one of the most efficient high-volume shooters in the country.
Oweh, Trimble and Saunders are out of eligibility after this year, correct? Same thing with Cluff?
Quote from: TedBaxter on March 18, 2026, 02:07:47 PMOweh, Trimble and Saunders are out of eligibility after this year, correct? Same thing with Cluff?
Yeah, it's bad enough that we're already talking about targeting an All American that is on a team that could win a national title and there's no reason to think will be leaving Iowa State unless it's for the NBA. I don't think adding AI recommendations is the way to go with this thread, but maybe.
Quote from: burger on March 18, 2026, 01:46:28 PMDrilling down a little further with centers. (added 1 year of eligibility)
As the 2026 transfer portal season begins (officially opening April 7, 2026), the market for "instant-impact" big men is heating up. Teams are specifically hunting for mobile, veteran centers who can anchor a defense for one final season.
Based on current eligibility tracking and early portal entries, here are the top centers anticipated to have one year of eligibility remaining for the 2026-27 season.
1. Drew Fielder | Boise State
Status: Junior (Potential Entrant)
The Profile: Fielder is arguably the most coveted "stretch-five" prospect in the 2026 cycle. Standing 6'11", he earned Second-Team All-Mountain West honors this past season, averaging 14.7 points and shooting a remarkable 40.9% from three.
The Fit: High-major programs needing floor spacing and a modern big will likely offer significant NIL packages to lure him away from Boise State's move to the Pac-12.
2. Oscar Cluff | Purdue
Status: Senior (Potential 5th-year via Waiver/COVID)
The Profile: A traditional interior force, Cluff has been a model of efficiency for Matt Painter. He isn't a "game-wrecker" in the sense of scoring 20 PPG, but he is an elite interior finisher and a disciplined rim protector.
The Fit: If he hits the market, he is a "plug-and-play" starter for any Top-25 team needing a low-post anchor who won't command high usage but will provide veteran stability.
3. Ja'Quay Randolph | Maclay / Florida State Area (Mid-Major Gem)
Status: Junior (Entered Portal: March 17, 2026)
The Profile: At 6'10" and 240 lbs, Randolph is one of the first true centers to officially enter the 2026 portal. He is a high-motor rebounder who has drawn early interest for his physical presence and "stock" (steals + blocks) production.
4. Zvonimir Ivisic | Illinois
Status: Senior (Potential 5th-year)
The Profile: "Big Z" remains one of the most unique talents in college basketball. At 7'2", his ability to handle the ball and shoot from deep is professional-grade. While he served as a high-end backup at Illinois, a team looking for a high-ceiling starter for one year will view him as a primary target.
5. Izaiyah Nelson | South Florida
Status: Junior/Senior (High Retention Risk)
The Profile: The reigning American Athletic Conference Player of the Year. Nelson averaged nearly a double-double (15.7 PPG, 9.6 RPG) and shot 63% from the field.
The Fit: While USF will fight to keep him, his production makes him a "Power 5" priority. He represents the elite tier of mobile centers who can switch onto guards and dominate the glass.
Honorable Mentions (Bigs to Watch)
Evan Ramsey (7'0", 250 lbs): A massive interior presence who officially entered the portal on March 17.
Aday Mara (7'3", Michigan): While a sophomore, rumors of a potential move for a "fresh start" persist if he seeks a larger offensive role for his final years.
Zine Eddrine Bedri (6'10"): A versatile international big man expected to be a high-priority target for teams running high-low sets.
Crazy how terrible our centers were this year that they make Drew Fielder interesting.
While he was on GTown I would have never imagined him at Marquette, but after what we had he'd be a welcomed sight in Milwaukee.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 18, 2026, 02:26:05 PMCrazy how terrible our centers were this year that they make Drew Fielder interesting.
While he was on GTown I would have never imagined him at Marquette, but after what we had he'd be a welcomed sight in Milwaukee.
1) It's a response from AI that is entirely inaccurate.
2) He averaged 7 points and 5.5 rebounds in the Big East as a sophomore last year, and just averaged 15/6 on 55% from the field and 41% from 3 for a solid but not great mid major. If he had averaged 5 points and 3 rebounds as a freshman and 7 points, 5.5 rebounds as a sophomore at Pitt and then went and averaged 15/6 on 55%/41%/79% shooting at Boise State, you'd be calling him one of college's superstars (given you called Karter Knox that).
Quote from: wadesworld on March 18, 2026, 02:31:48 PM1) It's a response from AI that is entirely inaccurate.
2) He averaged 7 points and 5.5 rebounds in the Big East as a sophomore last year, and just averaged 15/6 on 55% from the field and 41% from 3 for a solid but not great mid major. If he had averaged 5 points and 3 rebounds as a freshman and 7 points, 5.5 rebounds as a sophomore at Pitt and then went and averaged 15/6 on 55%/41%/79% shooting at Boise State, you'd be calling him one of college's superstars (given you called Karter Knox that).
1) I know that it was AI
2) Point stands. Any version of Drew Fielder would look amazing at Marquette given what we saw this year.
On another subject....Big gap down in the morning....
The music stopped and there are very few chairs....
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 18, 2026, 02:43:00 PM1) I know that it was AI
2) Point stands. Any version of Drew Fielder would look amazing at Marquette given what we saw this year.
Fielder is very good and would be highly sought after if he hits the portal, even by teams that have much better bigs than the ones Marquette played last year. You're talking like he's some complete bum but would still be awesome because Marquette's bigs stink.
Quote from: burger on March 18, 2026, 02:48:54 PMOn another subject....Big gap down in the morning....
The music stopped and there are very few chairs....
(https://media.tenor.com/Q1CNnkTVw9IAAAAM/confused-confused-look.gif)
Quote from: tower912 on March 17, 2026, 05:06:09 PMFrom Cornell? Offensively, he was a black hole, son.
[/quoteQuote from: tower912 on March 17, 2026, 05:06:09 PMFrom Cornell? Offensively, he was a black hole, son.
As a transfer, he's a Superunknown.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 18, 2026, 03:45:58 PMFielder is very good and would be highly sought after if he hits the portal, even by teams that have much better bigs than the ones Marquette played last year. You're talking like he's some complete bum but would still be awesome because Marquette's bigs stink.
Not a bum. He was overmatched in the Big East though. And even at his lowest, I'd take him over what we had.
He's turned into a solid player and would probably be just fine in the Big East in his current version though.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 18, 2026, 05:23:15 PMNot a bum. He was overmatched in the Big East though. And even at his lowest, I'd take him over what we had.
He's turned into a solid player and would probably be just fine in the Big East in his current version though.
He was an underclassman and was solid. And he played in the Big East last year, not 15 years ago. It was the current version.
I did an AI search, and it said Wembanyama, Jokic and Duren will be the best bigs in the portal. Hope Marquette can snag one or two of 'em!
Quote from: wadesworld on March 18, 2026, 06:17:00 PMHe was an underclassman and was solid. And he played in the Big East last year, not 15 years ago. It was the current version.
HIS current version. Not the Big East's current version. He very clearly took a leap from last year to this year.
Last year at 7 and 5 in 31 starts on 46% from the field.
This year 14 and 6 on 55% in 30 starts.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on March 18, 2026, 06:30:05 PMHIS current version. Not the Big East's current version. He very clearly took a leap from last year to this year.
Last year at 7 and 5 in 31 starts on 46% from the field.
This year 14 and 6 on 55% in 30 starts.
Right. Year older and playing at a lower level.
He'll be a sought after transfer and he's a good player. He wasn't overmatched in the Big East, nor was he a stud. He'd be a solid staring 5 for us.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 17, 2026, 06:40:44 PMI believe he grades out as the worst defender in the Big East. I'd prefer Jamier Jones if we added someone from that team.
Each teams in the Big East's worst defender over 800 possessions played
Butler- Yohan Traore
Uconn- Eric Reibe (would be a fine defender on Marquette)
Creighton- Fedor Zugic
Depaul- Theo Pierre-Justin
Georgetown- Caleb Williams
Marquette- Damarius Owens
Providence- Stefan Vaaks
Seton Hall- Mike Williams III (would be a fine defender on Marquette)
St. Johns- Joson Sanon
Villanova- Bryce Lindsey (how was he still playing didn't wojo recruit him)
Xavier- All Wright
All Wright and Stefan Vaaks have hit the portal
Dream player....
HENRI VEESAAR
Quote from: burger on March 24, 2026, 11:24:20 PMDream player....
HENRI VEESAAR
Please donate to the Marquette "Be The Difference" NIL Fund.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2026, 07:09:13 AMPlease donate to the Marquette "Be The Difference" NIL Fund.
How would one do that?
A wing who can shoot a little and rebound. Big step up in competition, but played well against tournament teams this year.
https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2036805257074749623?s=20
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2026, 09:29:27 AMA wing who can shoot a little and rebound. Big step up in competition, but played well against tournament teams this year.
https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2036805257074749623?s=20
Yes please
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2026, 09:29:27 AMA wing who can shoot a little and rebound. Big step up in competition, but played well against tournament teams this year.
https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2036805257074749623?s=20
He was awesome in the Ivy League tournament. Definitely could play at this level and start at the 3 here.
Ethan Roberts from Penn is also entering the portal. Sounds like he'd have one more year. 40% from 3. From Arlington Heights. https://www.thedp.com/article/2026/03/penn-mens-basketball-ethan-roberts-transfer-portal-2026
No way I click on a website that is called thedp.com
twice.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2026, 07:09:13 AMPlease donate to the Marquette "Be The Difference" NIL Fund.
Excellence Fund. BTD going away. University advancement has taken over last year.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 25, 2026, 10:09:42 AMExcellence Fund. BTD going away. University advancement has taken over last year.
Thank you for updating that!
This is outdated - we need a 2026 portal thread.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 25, 2026, 03:51:12 PMThis is outdated - we need a 2026 portal thread.
Mods can we please repurpose this thread into relitigating (S)Teve Taylor
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on March 25, 2026, 03:51:12 PMThis is outdated - we need a 2026 portal thread.
Title is updated so as to not confuse everyone posting about transfers in every other thread.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2026, 09:29:27 AMA wing who can shoot a little and rebound. Big step up in competition, but played well against tournament teams this year.
https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2036805257074749623?s=20
I'm always concerned about these Ivy League guys. Will they be able to cut it here academically?
Quote from: BrewCity83 on March 25, 2026, 04:56:43 PMI'm always concerned about these Ivy League guys. Will they be able to cut it here academically?
After watching Princeton to Florida transfer Xaivian Lee dribble under the basket, then pass it to his big man's feet without enough time on the clock to get off a shot, it looks like those types would fit in here just fine.
https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2037920519136092334?s=20
Quote from: Pakuni on March 28, 2026, 10:52:10 AMhttps://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2037920519136092334?s=20
Several sites list him at 6-9, and he only shot 40% - including just 42% on 2-pointers, which is impressively bad for a tall guy.
He was just a soph, and it was his first year as a starter, so I guess he could improve. But based on a pure look at the stats (because I've obviously never seen him play), I hope we can do better.
I would suspect that we will target older guys to go with our assortment of younger guys
Quote from: MuMark on March 28, 2026, 02:00:58 PMI would suspect that we will target older guys to go with our assortment of younger guys
For maturity but also to keep slots for the Claass of '27.
More smoke that Kelvin Odih may be headed to Marquette
Quote from: onepost on March 28, 2026, 11:52:07 PMMore smoke that Kelvin Odih may be headed to Marquette
now thats the kind of impact transfer we need!
Quote from: onepost on March 28, 2026, 11:52:07 PMMore smoke that Kelvin Odih may be headed to Marquette
More? When was there any to begin with?
Also, that would seem to make very little sense.
Quote from: onepost on March 28, 2026, 11:52:07 PMMore smoke that Kelvin Odih may be headed to Marquette
Thanks for the updates, appreciate the tidbits!
Quote from: onepost on March 28, 2026, 11:52:07 PMMore smoke that Kelvin Odih may be headed to Marquette
Been out there for a while now. But more from the SJU side. Didnt really buy it but seems to be picking up steam.
Would be a fun add. Love the potential but he cant be one of our top adds that we plug into the starting lineup next year. Would be more proof we're adding more than just 1 or 2 guys.
Quote from: onepost on March 28, 2026, 11:52:07 PMMore smoke that Kelvin Odih may be headed to Marquette
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 29, 2026, 07:34:29 AMBeen out there for a while now. But more from the SJU side. Didnt really buy it but seems to be picking up steam.
Would be a fun add. Love the potential but he cant be one of our top adds that we plug into the starting lineup next year. Would be more proof we're adding more than just 1 or 2 guys.
Interesting. Odih would be a long-term upside bet, but hardly the type of proven impact player we need next year. Hopefully that means Shaka is bringing in 3-4 transfers.
Odih was #66 for the 247 class of '25 and RSCI had him at #73. And, has a year under Rick Pitiino now. Interesting though it would take away from the '27 class possibilities.
Quote from: Nukem2 on March 29, 2026, 08:57:01 AMOdih was #66 for the 247 class of '25 and RSCI had him at #73. And, has a year under Rick Pitiino now. Interesting though it would take away from the '27 class possibilities.
So we're replacing Tre with... Tre? Great.
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2026, 09:01:02 AMSo we're replacing Tre with... Tre? Great.
And he's another Tre why exactly?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2026, 09:46:04 AMAnd he's another Tre why exactly?
Top 100 defensive minded guard with questionable shooting that "plays downhill"?
Rather just keep Tre.
Quote from: onepost on March 28, 2026, 11:52:07 PMMore smoke that Kelvin Odih may be headed to Marquette
This is the exact situation I had in mind when I say I'd rather see more departures than fewer. Odih is a high upside, well-regarded prospect, but he's likely at least a year away from contributing at a meaningful level.
If we're working with limited scholarships and need at least two immediate-impact additions in addition to a guy like Odih, that puts us in a tough place. I'd love to take on Odih and players of his ilk, but if we're going that route we won't have room to carry locker room vibes guys.
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2026, 10:13:00 AMTop 100 defensive minded guard with questionable shooting that "plays downhill"?
Rather just keep Tre.
What are you talking about man? Tre is a known quantity, a bust. Odih has played a total of 53 minutes in his collegiate career before getting hurt.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 29, 2026, 10:16:34 AMThis is the exact situation I had in mind when I say I'd rather see more departures than fewer. Odih is a high upside, well-regarded prospect, but he's likely at least a year away from contributing at a meaningful level.
If we're working with limited scholarships and need at least two immediate-impact additions in addition to a guy like Odih, that puts us in a tough place. I'd love to take on Odih and players of his ilk, but if we're going that route we won't have room to carry locker room vibes guys.
If Rocky had a nickel for every time that phrase has been posted on this board...
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 29, 2026, 10:19:21 AMWhat are you talking about man? Tre is a known quantity, a bust. Odih has played a total of 53 minutes in his collegiate career before getting hurt.
He definitely had no idea Odih had an injury.
Hards was right. We're going to add good pieces in the portal and 90% of Scoop will cry about using the portal, after crying about the lack of portal use all year.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 29, 2026, 10:19:21 AMWhat are you talking about man? Tre is a known quantity, a bust. Odih has played a total of 53 minutes in his collegiate career before getting hurt.
And a scintillating 53 minutes those were too, I'd assume all in garbage time.
This team doesn't need another project- it needs impact transfers who can come in and make a difference now. If we're gonna use Tres scholarship for a guy who *might* be good in a couple tears, we might as well just use it next year and in bring an impact transfer then
If Shaka can't bring in impact transfers, then we might as well shut the whole thing down and bask I the glory of being a mid-major program that's spends 500k a year on hoops
Quote from: wadesworld on March 29, 2026, 10:22:22 AMHe definitely had no idea Odih had an injury.
Hards was right. We're going to add good pieces in the portal and 90% of Scoop will cry about using the portal, after crying about the lack of portal use all year.
I definitely did, but i looked at his game logs running up to that too... if you think this I'd a "good piece" I have some Caedin Hamilton to sell you
If Shaka brings in at least 2 impact transfers I'm fine with taking a flyer on at least one of the others. The hope is 3 impact transfers though (5, 3 and backup 1).
Odih is the type of high upside guy I like shaka using a scholarship on--especially if there are 3+ opening. Odih report from 247:
Odih is imposing on the perimeter because of his strength, physicality, athleticism, and motor. He plays with an attacking mentality and extreme force on both ends of the floor.
He can really standout on the defensive end of the floor. He's very aggressive guarding the ball, able to apply a lot of pressure, and force turnovers. Even when he gets a bad angle initially, he constantly tries to be physical and fight his way back into the play. He would flourish in up-tempo, pressing systems, but his combination of perimeter size, mobility, and strength allows him to be very versatile and switchable in the half-court as well. He is also an exceptional perimeter rebounder, on both ends of the floor, with a quick second bounce.
Offensively he can get downhill in the open court, finish above the rim with explosiveness and power alike, get second chance points, and bully most defenders both off the dribble and by bringing them into the post. He'll even turn his own dribble drives into post-ups at times. He's also shown some instincts as a cutter. He's made strides with his shooting and overall ball skills, as well as his understanding of spacing and how to play in offensive structure, but those continue to be areas of potential development.
Long-term, he's going to have immediate value because of his physical tools and how hard he plays, regardless of what his offensive role is. If the skill-set can continue to develop, and he can evolve into a legit big guard, that unlocks some higher upside scenarios.
Quote from: onepost on March 28, 2026, 11:52:07 PMMore smoke that Kelvin Odih may be headed to Marquette
We've already got Stevens, Owens, Miletic, Phillips, Walker, Egbuonu, and Johnston, but sure, the one thing we really need is another small wing that can't get Big East minutes.
If he could play point, maybe, but he can't, so really hope there's no room at the inn.
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2026, 10:24:40 AMAnd a scintillating 53 minutes those were too, I'd assume all in garbage time.
This team doesn't need another project- it needs impact transfers who can come in and make a difference now. If we're gonna use Tres scholarship for a guy who *might* be good in a couple tears, we might as well just use it next year and in bring an impact transfer then
If Shaka can't bring in impact transfers, then we might as well shut the whole thing down and bask I the glory of being a mid-major program that's spends 500k a year on hoops
Your Freudian Slip is showing.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on March 29, 2026, 10:31:26 AMOdih is the type of high upside guy I like shaka using a scholarship on--especially if there are 3+ opening. Odih report from 247:
Odih is imposing on the perimeter because of his strength, physicality, athleticism, and motor. He plays with an attacking mentality and extreme force on both ends of the floor.
He can really standout on the defensive end of the floor. He's very aggressive guarding the ball, able to apply a lot of pressure, and force turnovers. Even when he gets a bad angle initially, he constantly tries to be physical and fight his way back into the play. He would flourish in up-tempo, pressing systems, but his combination of perimeter size, mobility, and strength allows him to be very versatile and switchable in the half-court as well. He is also an exceptional perimeter rebounder, on both ends of the floor, with a quick second bounce.
Offensively he can get downhill in the open court, finish above the rim with explosiveness and power alike, get second chance points, and bully most defenders both off the dribble and by bringing them into the post. He'll even turn his own dribble drives into post-ups at times. He's also shown some instincts as a cutter. He's made strides with his shooting and overall ball skills, as well as his understanding of spacing and how to play in offensive structure, but those continue to be areas of potential development.
Long-term, he's going to have immediate value because of his physical tools and how hard he plays, regardless of what his offensive role is. If the skill-set can continue to develop, and he can evolve into a legit big guard, that unlocks some higher upside scenarios.
Sounds familiar:
is a tough and athletic off guard who plays with tremendous energy and physicality. He is at his best when he is getting downhill and is a strong finisher when attacking the basket. He does a nice job of pulling up and hitting the mid range jumper when driving lanes are cut off but has room to improve as a three-point shooter. Defensively, he has the potential to be one of the top on ball defenders in the class.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 29, 2026, 10:38:41 AMYour Freudian Slip is showing.
If our impact transfer ends up being Odih there will definitely be some tears
JTJ3 clarified it better than me: this has been coming almost exclusively from SJU people. It came up a couple months ago that they thought he'd be transferring to MU, and got reiterated again yesterday that they feel he's "MU bound". Obviously we have the relationship from recruiting him, hilarious if he'd end up here after shiiting on MU after he committed to WVU haha.
But Brew said it best, if he truly comes then IMO he'd absolutely need to be a 4th guy taken. Great upside and the talent is there, but seems repetitive when our actual needs are shooting, size, PG capabilities.
Ideally we'd get:
- Sherrell/Evans/Oswin/etc.
- Byrd/wing with size
- Minessale seems to be close to a sure thing and that's a perfect 6th man to me
- Odih
We'd need 3 actual immediate contributors before taking a guy like Odih.
Yeah Odih would have to be a 4th add. If he's one of just 2 or 3 total adds, Id be worried about our rotation and depth next year.
I get the comps to Tre, but Odih is a completely different level of athlete than Tre. A lot more potential in my opinion. But its a luxury add, cant be added with the intention that he will for sure plug into a rotation spot.
Does BCHoopster or MU marketing also work for St. John's? What a bizarre commentary on Kelvin Odih:
2025-26
Missed last nine games due to injury heading into the NCAA Tournament...Made 10 appearances off the bench going into the Big Dance...
Made 10 appearances before being out the last nine because of injury. And those 10 appearances were "going into the Big Dance"?? wtf are they talking about?
I think the key question for me is, 'how many guys are leaving'? If we have four or more spots, I'm good with Kelvin joining us.
We've taken flyers on lesser resumes than a top 65 recruit who didn't play much on a very talented team, partly due to injury.
Quote from: onepost on March 29, 2026, 11:08:15 AMIdeally we'd get:
- Sherrell/Evans/Oswin/etc.
- Byrd/wing with size
- Minessale seems to be close to a sure thing and that's a perfect 6th man to me
- Odih
Pardon me, but who is Sherrell? If it's Aiden Sherrell from Alabama, that would be a dream come true for MU.
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2026, 10:25:48 AMI definitely did, but i looked at his game logs running up to that too... if you think this I'd a "good piece" I have some Caedin Hamilton to sell you
Just an absurd comparison.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 29, 2026, 11:42:27 AMPardon me, but who is Sherrell? If it's Aiden Sherrell from Alabama, that would be a dream come true for MU.
Yeah. Can't imagine he comes given he'd be the top of everyone's lists, but point being an experienced C.
Quote from: onepost on March 29, 2026, 11:08:15 AMObviously we have the relationship from recruiting him, hilarious if he'd end up here after shiiting on MU after he committed to WVU haha.
What'd he say?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on March 29, 2026, 11:55:54 AMWhat'd he say?
"The difference between my Marquette and West Virginia visits was the community. The community in West Virginia was more welcoming. In a school, I'm looking for a winning program and a place where they value relationships"
IIRC we recruited over Odih so it very well have been sour grapes. Still funny.
Stevens committed in August, Odih visited WVU 2 weeks after that and committed a month later. I think it's as simple as there was no room left for him when Stevens committed.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 29, 2026, 12:33:59 PMStevens committed in August, Odih visited WVU 2 weeks after that and committed a month later. I think it's as simple as there was no room left for him when Stevens committed.
Hilarious looking back at now with how much room for playing time there actually would have been here.
Not exactly a ringing endorsement though, that he couldn't get time in the horrible St Johns guard room.
Hmmm
https://x.com/dushawnlondon1/status/2038314853820170544?s=61
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2026, 10:24:40 AMAnd a scintillating 53 minutes those were too, I'd assume all in garbage time.
This team doesn't need another project- it needs impact transfers who can come in and make a difference now. If we're gonna use Tres scholarship for a guy who *might* be good in a couple tears, we might as well just use it next year and in bring an impact transfer then
If Shaka can't bring in impact transfers, then we might as well shut the whole thing down and bask I the glory of being a mid-major program that's spends 500k a year on hoops
As always, the best course of action is to freak out about something that might or might not happen.
Quote from: MuMark on March 29, 2026, 01:12:13 PMHmmm
https://x.com/dushawnlondon1/status/2038314853820170544?s=61
why hmm? good player.
Quote from: BM1090 on March 29, 2026, 01:24:10 PMwhy hmm? good player.
We recruited him hard as a HS recruit
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 29, 2026, 01:25:07 PMWe recruited him hard as a HS recruit
Good friends with Sean as well.
Quote from: MuMark on March 29, 2026, 01:30:32 PMGood friends with Sean as well.
Would that work for us or against us now?
Quote from: MU82 on March 29, 2026, 01:34:49 PMWould that work for us or against us now?
Don't know.......i think MU's relationship with Sean is good but obviously don't know what will happen with him.
Royal could be looking for a chance to win it all in his last season like lots of guys do in his position........
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 29, 2026, 11:37:10 AMDoes BCHoopster or MU marketing also work for St. John's? What a bizarre commentary on Kelvin Odih:
2025-26
Missed last nine games due to injury heading into the NCAA Tournament...Made 10 appearances off the bench going into the Big Dance...
Made 10 appearances before being out the last nine because of injury. And those 10 appearances were "going into the Big Dance"?? wtf are they talking about?
I think the key question for me is, 'how many guys are leaving'? If we have four or more spots, I'm good with Kelvin joining us.
We've taken flyers on lesser resumes than a top 65 recruit who didn't play much on a very talented team, partly due to injury.
Exactly. But you will still have many here jumping down your throat for thinking its in our best interest to offload the deadweight.
If there's 4+ open spots, Odih is a 100% yes for me.
3 - Eh
2 - Absolutely not
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 29, 2026, 01:50:16 PMExactly. But you will still have many here jumping down your throat for thinking it's in our best interest to offload the deadweight.
Few Scoopers deny it's in the team's best interest to "offload the deadweight." But many of us think it's unrealistic to expect a half-dozen or more players to get Sha-kut. You might not be happy about that, and that's your prerogative, but it doesn't make it any more likely.
Quote from: MU82 on March 29, 2026, 02:32:02 PMFew Scoopers deny it's in the team's best interest to "offload the deadweight." But many of us think it's unrealistic to expect a half-dozen or more players to get Sha-kut. You might not be happy about that, and that's your prerogative, but it doesn't make it any more likely.
I prefer my coaches doing what's in the team's best interests.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 29, 2026, 02:35:21 PMI prefer my coaches doing what's in the team's best interests.
And bringing in 5-6 new players would not accomplish that.
Quote from: 1SE on March 29, 2026, 10:56:46 AMIf our impact transfer ends up being Odih there will definitely be some tears
I doubt he comes here.
Quote from: Tha Hound on March 29, 2026, 02:35:21 PMI prefer my coaches doing what's in the team's best interests.
OK. But you're stuck with Shaka for now.
Most of us were pretty happy with him for at least 3 1/2 years. But yes, he needs to do better.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 29, 2026, 02:38:00 PMAnd bringing in 5-6 new players would not accomplish that.
It might or it might not. There's no way for us to know. I'm really interested in seeing how April unfolds.
Quote from: JTJ3 on March 29, 2026, 01:25:07 PMWe recruited him hard as a HS recruit
Too bad Shaka's a grudge guy. He would've been nice to have.
This guy wouldn't be a bad pickup.
https://x.com/i/status/2038414387216596998
FWIW
https://x.com/Whitesoxbill/status/2038093744017141927
Quote from: onepost on March 29, 2026, 11:08:15 AMJTJ3 clarified it better than me: this has been coming almost exclusively from SJU people. It came up a couple months ago that they thought he'd be transferring to MU, and got reiterated again yesterday that they feel he's "MU bound". Obviously we have the relationship from recruiting him, hilarious if he'd end up here after shiiting on MU after he committed to WVU haha.
But Brew said it best, if he truly comes then IMO he'd absolutely need to be a 4th guy taken. Great upside and the talent is there, but seems repetitive when our actual needs are shooting, size, PG capabilities.
Ideally we'd get:
- Sherrell/Evans/Oswin/etc.
- Byrd/wing with size
- Minessale seems to be close to a sure thing and that's a perfect 6th man to me
- Odih
We'd need 3 actual immediate contributors before taking a guy like Odih.
I heard some insider news that Minessale is pretty much a Sure Thing from a source unrelated to MU. Obviously, would make sense to sit on it until the portal opens.
Quote from: milwaukee expat on March 30, 2026, 07:37:26 AMFWIW
https://x.com/Whitesoxbill/status/2038093744017141927
I've seen this guy crappost a lot on twitter - hard to tell when he's actually being truthful. We will see...
Quote from: milwaukee expat on March 30, 2026, 07:37:26 AMFWIW
https://x.com/Whitesoxbill/status/2038093744017141927
Squirrel this away as "I'll believe it when I see it"
Quote from: milwaukee expat on March 30, 2026, 07:37:26 AMFWIW
https://x.com/Whitesoxbill/status/2038093744017141927
Hamilton has committed to return?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 30, 2026, 08:30:47 AMHamilton has committed to return?
He's not throwing away his shot!
Quote from: Bahama on March 30, 2026, 07:44:54 AMI've seen this guy crappost a lot on twitter - hard to tell when he's actually being truthful. We will see...
Pretty much never being truthful. He just throws darts at the wall that are vague enough so he can take a victory lap no matter what happens.
Call me skeptical, but it's hard to imagine Nigel telling randos he runs into at Brewers games about undisclosed commitments.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2038616083981381634?s=20
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2026, 08:55:25 AMCall me skeptical, but it's hard to imagine Nigel telling randos he runs into at Brewers games about undisclosed commitments.
This guy is no rando: he's a troll with a vendetta against Shaka.
Andrew McKeever would be a solid add and would help much of our rebounding woes. I'm actually hoping for a more dynamic big. Even if that means a dude who is 6'9" or so but gives you athleticism and switchable defense.
Either way, getting a dude who can snag some misses and protect the rim is imperative.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 30, 2026, 09:10:55 AMAndrew McKeever would be a solid add and would help much of our rebounding woes.
Shaka's best DR% rank EVER - #147. In like.. 17 seasons. Don't get too hopefully no matta who we bring in.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 30, 2026, 09:05:40 AMThis guy is no rando: he's a troll with a vendetta against Shaka.
So he's probably one of a couple scoopers
No one associated, officially or otherwise, with the Chicago White Sox is to be trusted
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 30, 2026, 09:23:55 AMNo one associated, officially or otherwise, with the Chicago White Sox is to be trusted
What if Pope Bob posts that he knows who Marquette is bringing in? I mean...he clearly qualifies under your wide net of "otherwise".
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on March 30, 2026, 09:31:43 AMWhat if Pope Bob posts that he knows who Marquette is bringing in? I mean...he clearly qualifies under your wide net of "otherwise".
The Pope is a Villanova fan...
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 30, 2026, 09:34:15 AMThe Pope is a Villanova fan...
And a White Sox fan. I think he wrote an Encyclical about the White Sox shortly after becoming Pope.
When I see kids enter the portal from schools where the coach moved elsewhere, I figure there's a good chance they're following the coach.
Yeah, unless WhiteSox Bill is actually known to the players, I doubt Nigel is sharing recruiting info.
Also, it's a pretty safe dart throw to assume we are bringing in some sort of center transfer.
Quote from: milwaukee expat on March 30, 2026, 07:37:26 AMFWIW
https://x.com/Whitesoxbill/status/2038093744017141927
WhiteSoxBill is the epitome of a troll - see Zaide/MUBB twitter fiasco from December.
I haven't given any credence to something he says since "Kolek signed his contract for 2024-2025 and convinced Oumar Ballo to be our big man". He'll eventually be correct that we get a center commitment, but he 1000% didn't see Nigel at the Brewers game where Nigel confided in him we landed a center.
https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2038631608551383426?s=20
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on March 30, 2026, 09:10:55 AMAndrew McKeever would be a solid add and would help much of our rebounding woes. I'm actually hoping for a more dynamic big. Even if that means a dude who is 6'9" or so but gives you athleticism and switchable defense.
Either way, getting a dude who can snag some misses and protect the rim is imperative.
Top 500 in BPR. Decent, but Kyle Evans from UC Irvine is higher rated (top 250 nationally in BPR).
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2026, 09:41:18 AMWhen I see kids enter the portal from schools where the coach moved elsewhere, I figure there's a good chance they're following the coach.
That was my thought as soon as I saw he was transferring from St. Mary's. ... Arizona State bound?
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2026, 10:47:14 AMhttps://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2038631608551383426?s=20
Very good player.
From a personal point of view, I hate one sided players.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 30, 2026, 11:34:40 AMVery good player.
From a personal point of view, I hate one sided players.
He's also declaring for the draft. He entered the Portal after his freshman year and ended up coming back to Butler.
https://x.com/FinleyBizjack/status/2038633173312008437
https://www.aseaofblue.com/kentucky-wildcats-basketball/168021/miles-byrd-recruiting-transfer-san-diego-state-lamont-butler
Sebastian Rancik from Colorado is in the portal. 6'11" and skilled.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2026, 12:40:50 PMhttps://www.aseaofblue.com/kentucky-wildcats-basketball/168021/miles-byrd-recruiting-transfer-san-diego-state-lamont-butler
Kentucky's got no chance in a recruiting battle with Marquette!
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2026, 12:51:51 PMKentucky's got no chance in a recruiting battle with Marquette!
I can't wait for people to get mad when Kentucky 4x offers a player people want
Lewis Walker from NC A&T is in the portal. 6'6", 230 lbs., 37% from 3. 19 pts. 5 rebs. per game.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2026, 01:01:06 PMLewis Walker from NC A&T is in the portal. 6'6", 230 lbs., 37% from 3. 19 pts. 5 rebs. per game.
Yes
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2026, 01:01:06 PMLewis Walker from NC A&T is in the portal. 6'6", 230 lbs., 37% from 3. 19 pts. 5 rebs. per game.
Defense no matta
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2026, 12:51:51 PMKentucky's got no chance in a recruiting battle with Marquette!
We beat them out for Henry.
Perhaps Byrd has a less-talented brother we can bring into the fold?
I certainly wouldn't assume we'd beat out Kentucky, but I don't think Pope's Kentucky is the same as Calipari's on the recruiting trail.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 30, 2026, 01:15:15 PMDefense no matta
Probably matters less for one of the worst shooting teams in the country. I also suspect that defensive stats are a lot harder to evaluate.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2026, 01:23:19 PMProbably matters less for one of the worst shooting teams in the country. I also suspect that defensive stats are a lot harder to evaluate.
Do I think he can shoot. Yea, I do his FT percentage is 86% on 200+ attempts.
But anytime you can add a player from the worst team in the CAA. I got questions.
It isn't the worst option, he had at least one high major offer at one point.
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2038662831625695559?s=20
Quote from: jfp61 on March 30, 2026, 01:32:50 PMDo I think he can shoot. Yea, I do his FT percentage is 86% on 200+ attempts.
But anytime you can add a player from the worst team in the CAA. I got questions.
It isn't the worst option, he had at least one high major offer at one point.
I have no idea if he's good or a fit or whether MU would be interested.
Money Williams of Montana is in the portal. He has to be a priority just for the name. Looks like he can score.
https://www.swxlocalsports.com/montana/montana-grizzlies/griz-hoops-star-money-williams-entering-transfer-portal/article_b183d61a-4199-41ad-bd0f-f824e70a2f76.html
Quote from: Pakuni on March 30, 2026, 01:51:30 PMhttps://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2038662831625695559?s=20
He'll have to be de-programmed wherever he ends up
Jackson State's Daeshun Ruffin, the SWAC player of the year after averaging 23.3 ppg/5.3 apg, entered the portal.
In completely unrelated news, Kentucky just hired Jackson State head coach Mo Williams as an assistant.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2026, 02:12:23 PMHe'll have to be de-programmed wherever he ends up
Not if he goes to dental school.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2026, 02:12:23 PMHe'll have to be de-programmed wherever he ends up
Having had the experience of personally meeting some "LU" grads, I can assure anyone who doubts you that you are correct.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 30, 2026, 08:15:37 AMSquirrel this away as "I'll believe it when I see it"
He did have the scoop on Lowery. But I guess, like Bee Jay (pause), if you throw enough darts at a dartboard you'll eventually get at least one bullseye.
Quote from: jfp61 on March 30, 2026, 01:32:50 PMDo I think he can shoot. Yea, I do his FT percentage is 86% on 200+ attempts.
But anytime you can add a player from the worst team in the CAA. I got questions.
It isn't the worst option, he had at least one high major offer at one point.
I have no idea whether some guy I never saw play at North Carolina A&T can be a good defensive player ... and I'm guessing you have no idea, either.
Does anyone know why we haven't heard of any current MU players entering the portal?
Possibly because it's not officially open...and our guys can work more privately until then on securing a destination?
From a web search... Googles... "The NCAA men's basketball transfer portal officially opens on Tuesday, April 7, 2026, the day after the national championship game. This is a change from previous years, as the portal will now open later and have a shorter 15-day window for players to enter."
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2026, 05:06:05 PMI have no idea whether some guy I never saw play at North Carolina A&T can be a good defensive player ... and I'm guessing you have no idea, either.
Advanced metrics can give you a pretty good idea. And it looks like the player in question is indeed quite a poor defender, with a negative D-BPR.
Drew Fielder of Boise State (also Georgetown) in the portal. 6'11" 225 lbs and 40% from 3.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 30, 2026, 05:20:32 PMAdvanced metrics can give you a pretty good idea. And it looks like the player in question is indeed quite a poor defender, with a negative D-BPR.
My key words were "can be."
The environment at NCAT seems to have been DefenseNoMatta. Put him in a program where defense matters, surround him with athletes who work on defense, coach him up, and who knows? Guys definitely can improve significantly on that end, as our own David Joplin showed.
Now, would Marquette be the right program to make that happen for Lewis Walker? That's a good question.
Quote from: Hojames on March 30, 2026, 05:06:33 PMDoes anyone know why we haven't heard of any current MU players entering the portal?
Could be they are just waiting until after the Banquet to announce........doesn't mean they aren't talking to people now.
Nobody's leaving. Even Lowery ... he's coming back!
So no incoming transfers - all the Eeyores were right.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2026, 05:35:59 PMDrew Fielder of Boise State (also Georgetown) in the portal. 6'11" 225 lbs and 40% from 3.
Intriguing.
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2026, 07:14:29 PMMy key words were "can be."
The environment at NCAT seems to have been DefenseNoMatta. Put him in a program where defense matters, surround him with athletes who work on defense, coach him up, and who knows? Guys definitely can improve significantly on that end, as our own David Joplin showed.
Now, would Marquette be the right program to make that happen for Lewis Walker? That's a good question.
Ignoring data in favor of wild speculation is certainly a choice.
Quote from: MU82 on March 30, 2026, 05:06:05 PMI have no idea whether some guy I never saw play at North Carolina A&T can be a good defensive player ... and I'm guessing you have no idea, either.
Please look up the player. Watch him run and play 5 defensive possessiones. If you can't find a college game look up his high school tape. Played for CP3. Look at his body composition.
Then just look at his defensive stats. Look at north carolina A&T's defensive stats.
I just want to see people link us to players who think "defense matta"
Quote from: Hojames on March 30, 2026, 05:06:33 PMDoes anyone know why we haven't heard of any current MU players entering the portal?
...because no D1 team is interested at this time.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 30, 2026, 09:00:24 PM...because no D1 team is interested at this time.
I bet the MEAC message boards have lively conversations about potential MU transfers.
Thing you have to love about some MU fans......can't let an opportunity to bash one of our players go by when they have a chance to take it........
Quote from: jfp61 on March 30, 2026, 08:58:00 PMPlease look up the player. Watch him run and play 5 defensive possessiones. If you can't find a college game look up his high school tape. Played for CP3. Look at his body composition.
Then just look at his defensive stats. Look at north carolina A&T's defensive stats.
I just want to see people link us to players who think "defense matta"
Quote from: jfp61 on March 30, 2026, 08:58:00 PMPlease look up the player. Watch him run and play 5 defensive possessiones. If you can't find a college game look up his high school tape. Played for CP3. Look at his body composition.
Then just look at his defensive stats. Look at north carolina A&T's defensive stats.
I just want to see people link us to players who think "defense matta"
Walker is only a freshman. People forget how weak a defender Butler was his first year at MU. I'm not sure why Walker's body type prevents him from being a good defender, but MU could use some girth and some guys who can finish through contact. In any event, who knows if MU is even interested.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 30, 2026, 08:28:53 PMIgnoring data in favor of wild speculation is certainly a choice.
It wasn't "wild."
Quote from: jfp61 on March 30, 2026, 08:58:00 PMI just want to see people link us to players who think "defense matta"
That's fair. But you're so negative about everything that you're kind of "the boy who cried 'Sucks!'" So it's hard to know when to take your negativity seriously or just dismiss it.
Quote from: MuMark on March 30, 2026, 09:25:53 PMThing you have to love about some MU fans......can't let an opportunity to bash one of our players go by when they have a chance to take it........
"Fans"
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 01:14:10 AMBut you're so negative about everything that you're kind of "the boy who cried 'Sucks!'"
I'll admit it...I literally laughed out loud.
Quote from: MuMark on March 30, 2026, 09:25:53 PMThing you have to love about some MU fans......can't let an opportunity to bash one of our players go by when they have a chance to take it........
Eeyore69 bashes the team, the coach and the school. I have no idea why he is even here.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 30, 2026, 11:27:57 PMPeople forget how weak a defender Butler was his first year at MU.
He was never a weak defender. That's really the only reason he played for much of his first year.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2026, 08:03:59 AMHe was never a weak defender. That's really the only reason he played for much of his first year.
I disagree. He became an outstanding defender but he was not a good one when he arrived at MU. But that's beside the point. The point is that freshmen are often poor defenders.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2026, 08:02:51 AMEeyore69 bashes the team, the coach and the school. I have no idea why he is even here.
You for got the Big East and I am here because I want the team to be as competitive as UCONN, but I guess that is too much to ask.
Tre Norman portaling. Let the exodus begin
https://x.com/i/status/2038971537718489520
Tre Norman Portaling
https://x.com/i/status/2038971537718489520
Wish him the best.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 31, 2026, 08:29:57 AMYou for got the Big East and I am here because I want the team to be as competitive as UCONN, but I guess that is too much to ask.
How does you being here have any bearing on if Marquette can be as competitive as UConn?
If it turns out to be accurate (I think it probably is), then thank you, Tre, for your time at MU and good luck with all of your future endeavors.
Mentioned it in a different chat, but hopefully Nevada Smith needs to bring a center along with him to Siena, because that's our angle to free up a roster spot from the front court.
https://x.com/i/status/2038337097329713342
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2026, 08:37:12 AMHow does you being here have any bearing on if Marquette can be as competitive as UConn?
How does being on Scoop for anyone have anything to do with the teams performance? Absolutely nothing. We just express our opinions and nothing else. I look forward to see who transfers to Marquette. As of now we have 2 slots to fill.
Quote from: BE_GoldenEagle on March 31, 2026, 08:52:50 AMMentioned it in a different chat, but hopefully Nevada Smith needs to bring a center along with him to Siena, because that's our angle to free up a roster spot from the front court.
https://x.com/i/status/2038337097329713342
Caedin and/or Josh don't have to leave to add to the front court.
It's also better for the program that Nevada Smith stays. The offense did it's job last season - the players simply weren't good enough.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 31, 2026, 08:59:51 AMCaedin and/or Josh don't have to leave to add to the front court.
It's also better for the program that Nevada Smith stays. The offense did it's job last season - the players simply weren't good enough.
I'm not wishing Nevada away, but it seems like it's a better than 50% chance he's gone.
The front court doesn't need subtractions for additions, but it is still necessary to subtract. The guys we have simply are not good enough and don't belong in the Big East.
Quote from: BE_GoldenEagle on March 31, 2026, 09:12:19 AMThe front court doesn't need subtractions for additions, but it is still necessary to subtract. The guys we have simply are not good enough and don't belong in the Big East.
No one has said otherwise.
I would expect Sean to enter the portal in the near future. There's the 3 spots we need. We'll see if anyone else departs.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 31, 2026, 08:57:21 AMHow does being on Scoop for anyone have anything to do with the teams performance? Absolutely nothing.
Uh...you were the one who made the claim. WTF are you talking about?
To no one's surprise, Daniel Freitag is portaling.
https://x.com/i/status/2038983355023163811
Olivier Rioux in the portal. Does he qualify as an aircraft carrier?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on March 31, 2026, 08:29:57 AMYou for got the Big East and I am here because I want the team to be as competitive as UCONN, but I guess that is too much to ask.
Yes, I think 2 national titles and a Final Four (and potentially turning that into a 3rd national title) in a 4 year period is probably too much to ask for Marquette to become.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 31, 2026, 08:59:51 AMIt's also better for the program that Nevada Smith stays. The offense did it's job last season - the players simply weren't good enough.
This is something I go back and forth on a bit.
Is an offense predicated on getting shots that your players are incapable of hitting a good offense? I'm speaking specifically about the 3s here. MU definitely got open looks from 3 all year, but what good are they if you can't hit them? Should an offense be tailored around the skills of your players or is the goal simply creating open shots and letting the chips fall where they may? Because this year was more the latter.
It's a bit like having a football offense that can get receivers open deep, but not having a quarterback who can throw a deep ball (looking at you, Dolphins).
I can't say things would have been better this year with a lesser focus on shooting threes, but there was definitely a mismatch this year between the offense and the players' skills.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2026, 10:28:48 AMThis is something I go back and forth on a bit.
Is an offense predicated on getting shots that your players are incapable of hitting a good offense? I'm speaking specifically about the 3s here. MU definitely got open looks from 3 all year, but what good are they if you can't hit them? Should an offense be tailored around the skills of your players or is the goal simply creating open shots and letting the chips fall where they may? Because this year was more the latter.
It's a bit like having a football offense that can get receivers open deep, but not having a quarterback who can throw a deep ball (looking at you, Dolphins).
I can't say things would have been better this year with a lesser focus on shooting threes, but there was definitely a mismatch this year between the offense and the players' skills.
Also, is the team getting open looks because the offense is generating them, or are they getting open looks because teams gameplan to allow poor 3 point shooters to shoot a lot of 3 pointers?
Watching teams like Iowa, Nebraska, UCONN, Michigan, etc. and the player off ball movement, the ball movement, the off ball screening, etc. is just infinitely better than what Marquette does. Marquette relies on a single individual player's excellence (Kolek, then Kam, now Nigel) to break down the defense using pick and roll and spraying the ball out to shooters when they get the defense to collapse. Pick and roll offense is the NBA way because they have the most talented individual players in the world. In college it can work, but a motion offense is way more effective, in my opinion.
And if we're going to continue to be pick and roll dominant, then I hope we're adding bigs like Oswin Erhunmwunse over Kyle Evans, as we need rollers and rim runners who finish above the rim. Sheek fits that style incredibly well, but I don't think he'll be ready to play 25-30 mpg in the BE next year.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2026, 08:21:03 AMI disagree. He became an outstanding defender but he was not a good one when he arrived at MU. But that's beside the point. The point is that freshmen are often poor defenders.
Just as a point of clarification........Jimmy was never a freshman at MU.......his first year was as a juco transfer sophomore.
FWIW my recollection is that he wasn't terrible on defense but was kind of lost on offense........it's funny how memories differ 10 plus years down the road.
Ps I'm not saying you're wrong......just not how I remember him.....🫡
Every offense is predicated on getting good shots for the players. MU's did a good job last season of getting shots at the rim and open looks from 3. That is the holy grail. When MU stunk at the rim AND from 3, MU stunk. When MU got better at the rim and still stunk from 3, MU was competitive.
Far more interesting to me was the evolution of the defense.
Quote from: tower912 on March 31, 2026, 10:37:35 AMEvery offense is predicated on getting good shots for the players. MU's did a good job last season of getting shots at the rim and open looks from 3. That is the holy grail. When MU stunk at the rim AND from 3, MU stunk. When MU got better at the rim and still stunk from 3, MU was competitive.
Far more interesting to me was the evolution of the defense.
Is a good shot a good shot, regardless of who's taking it? I would suggest an open corner three from Markus Howard and Ben Gold are not the same shot.
I would suggest that logic would apply if that were actually a choice. And yet, when Markus was accused of shooting too much and being a cancer.
And also never played in this offense.
Fans are funny.
For the 25-26 season, I wanted Ben shooting the corner 3.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2026, 10:28:48 AMThis is something I go back and forth on a bit.
Is an offense predicated on getting shots that your players are incapable of hitting a good offense? I'm speaking specifically about the 3s here. MU definitely got open looks from 3 all year, but what good are they if you can't hit them? Should an offense be tailored around the skills of your players or is the goal simply creating open shots and letting the chips fall where they may? Because this year was more the latter.
It's a bit like having a football offense that can get receivers open deep, but not having a quarterback who can throw a deep ball (looking at you, Dolphins).
I can't say things would have been better this year with a lesser focus on shooting threes, but there was definitely a mismatch this year between the offense and the players' skills.
The team wasn't converting at the rim, either. And if I'm remembering correctly, they were one of the best teams in the country and getting shots within a few feet of the basket.
It didn't help that both Ben and Chase, two of our highest volume shooters, shot well below their career averages.
Same thing happened with Kam and Jop the previous season. How much of that is just random vs guys being in different roles? Probably a combination.
So, Shaka has to bring in better talent. But I'll take an offense that generates open 3s and shots at the rim all day.
Quote from: tower912 on March 31, 2026, 10:53:37 AMI would suggest that logic would apply if that were actually a choice. And yet, when Markus was accused of shooting too much and being a cancer.
And also never played in this offense.
Fans are funny.
For the 25-26 season, I wanted Ben shooting the corner 3.
I'll assume you're a fan of clanging noises.
The whole team clanged. But, since the point of the game is to score, open shots have to be taken, even if the whole team is shooting poorly.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 31, 2026, 10:57:44 AMThe team wasn't converting at the rim, either. And if I'm remembering correctly, they were one of the best teams in the country and getting shots within a few feet of the basket.
Yes, which is why I wrote "I'm speaking specifically about the 3s here."
QuoteSo, Shaka has to bring in better talent. But I'll take an offense that generates open 3s and shots at the rim all day.
I'll take an offense that generates open shots its players are best suited to make. If that's open 3s, then all the better.
My mild criticism here - if you even want to call it that - is that the offense wasn't adjusted to fit the talents of the players.
Unless the argument in opposition here is that the players were so lacking in offensive talent that any scheme would have brought similar results. Which may be true. I don't know, and I don't think there's any way of knowing. I just know that this scheme and roster were not in alignment.
I thought you were suppose to recruit players that fit your offensive and defensive philosophies.
Quote from: tower912 on March 31, 2026, 11:06:22 AMThe whole team clanged. But, since the point of the game is to score, open shots have to be taken, even if the whole team is shooting poorly.
Ben was this team's best finisher at the rim. The offense had him taking nearly two-thirds of his shots from beyond the arc, even as he shot 26% from out there (and 23% in conference).
Doesn't seem to be an effective recipe for scoring.
And it doesn't help that no one else on the team rebounded much, pretty much ensuring that all of Ben's misses were one-and-done possessions.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2026, 11:06:44 AMYes, which is why I wrote "I'm speaking specifically about the 3s here."
I'll take an offense that generates open shots its players are best suited to make. If that's open 3s, then all the better.
My mild criticism here - of you even want to call it that - is that the offense wasn't adjusted to fit the talents of the players.
Unless the argument in opposition here is that the players were so lacking in offensive talent that any scheme would have brought similar results. Which may be true. I don't know, and I don't think there's any way of knowing.
My preference is for a coach to play a system and recruit to it. As you note, coaching adjustments should be made when needed given the players you actually have, but for me the bottom line is the recruiting was off base. To play the Nevada Smith system you need guys who can hit the 3. Maybe the pool of players who can play Shaka's style of defense and execute Smith's offense is too shallow.
Ben was very good at the rim. Kudos to you for recognizing something blatantly obvious often overlooked by other scoopers.
Prior to his senior season, mid 30s shooter. Over his 4 seasons, probably too deferential. But that also meant that he rarely forced a bad 3 or took one out of rhythm. Yup, he did not make at the rate any of us might have liked. But the shots he took were almost universally good shots.
In the context of Nevada's offense and Ben's role in it and as a senior leader, I probably muttered more about open looks he passed on that I wanted him to take than I did about shots he forced.
I hope his ankle surgery goes well and his ribs finally heal.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 31, 2026, 10:23:49 AMYes, I think 2 national titles and a Final Four (and potentially turning that into a 3rd national title) in a 4 year period is probably too much to ask for Marquette to become.
So COLE?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 31, 2026, 10:23:49 AMYes, I think 2 national titles and a Final Four (and potentially turning that into a 3rd national title) in a 4 year period is probably too much to ask for Marquette to become.
The gap widens
Quote from: willie warrior on March 31, 2026, 11:56:41 AMThe gap widens
Wouldn't have happened if woke fans like you hadn't pushed against hiring Pitino.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 31, 2026, 11:06:44 AMYes, which is why I wrote "I'm speaking specifically about the 3s here."
I'll take an offense that generates open shots its players are best suited to make. If that's open 3s, then all the better.
My mild criticism here - if you even want to call it that - is that the offense wasn't adjusted to fit the talents of the players.
Unless the argument in opposition here is that the players were so lacking in offensive talent that any scheme would have brought similar results. Which may be true. I don't know, and I don't think there's any way of knowing. I just know that this scheme and roster were not in alignment.
"the offense wasn't adjusted to fit the talents of the players." This seems to me undeniably true. Also when judging an offense you have to look at the outcomes imo. The offense objectively stunk in that it wasn't efficient, didn't generate points etc. I personally don't think any organization gets better if there isn't accountability. Someone should go on the coaching staff because the offense did not deliver over a season and a half. I have no idea if that someone is Nevada or someone else - but when you are failing you need to shake it up. Just my 2 cents.
Hopefully the MU boosters are ready to pay up for a starting C.
https://x.com/i/status/2038734762731319694
https://x.com/joetipton/status/2039040441740308619?s=46&t=XcHvMHlRF0oCgzQY_T0_eg
Lord, I've seen what you've done for others
Somto Cyril would be incredible. Also, incredibly expensive.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on March 31, 2026, 01:44:38 PMSomto Cyril would be incredible. Also, incredibly expensive.
Plus, he has an agent. And Shaka famously won't deal with agents ... except when he does.
Seriously, this would be a great get, but a whole lot of fanbases are saying that about Cyril and the other top 5s out there.
the last transfer from George Mason worked out quite well for MU:
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/2039053866436563098
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on March 31, 2026, 01:58:57 PMthe last transfer from George Mason worked out quite well for MU:
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/2039053866436563098
Pfft ... like a George Mason kid could ever succeed at Marquette.
Hope TK is telling him how much he enjoyed his time at Marquette.
I don't think we need to discount every player who has an agent from transferring to MU... If Shaka Smart has stated that they're planning on "evolving" or whatever coach-speak he used to admit he was going to add transfers, then I think we can take all of those assumptions off the table.
-Somto Cyril (averages a few blocks per game) fits the bill for sure.
-Riley Allenspach seems like Ben Gold but from the A10, which I'd be okay with but not pumped about.
-Daniel Freitag would be huge as he could play alongside Nigel and also slot in at PG. Downside is he's only 6'2" and we need some positional size in the back court.
-Kyle Evans grabs a ton of boards and blocks shots, albeit at a much lower level.
-Money Williams from Montana. Don't know jack squat about the dude but we need a back court of Nash Walker and Money Williams on the floor at some point. Incredible name.
-Drew Fielder could be a fit but seems like a loser but playing on one of those dreadful Gtown squads will do that.
-Devin Royal adds heft but I think Alex Egbuonu (6'6") is the same player, albeit younger. A combo of MPIII and DO makes this redundant. Spend the $$$ on a big man.
Sean is listed on ON3 portal tracker as of today
As well as Tre
Quote from: tsciii on March 31, 2026, 02:48:22 PMSean is listed on ON3 portal tracker as of today
Best of luck to Sean. I hope he's able to get more than a single year of eligibility.
Quote from: Hojames on March 30, 2026, 05:06:33 PMDoes anyone know why we haven't heard of any current MU players entering the portal?
Somebody in the Marquette Athletic Department must have read this.
Quote from: onepost on March 31, 2026, 01:20:03 PMhttps://x.com/joetipton/status/2039040441740308619?s=46&t=XcHvMHlRF0oCgzQY_T0_eg
Don't hold your breath.
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 01:51:50 PMPlus, he has an agent. And Shaka famously won't deal with agents ... except when he does.
Seriously, this would be a great get, but a whole lot of fanbases are saying that about Cyril and the other top 5s out there.
Why be so smug when we have lost recruits because Shaka didn't want to deal with agents, as he's been quoted as saying? Has he changed his mind? Hopefully!
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 31, 2026, 06:07:58 PMWhy be so smug when we have lost recruits because Shaka didn't want to deal with agents, as he's been quoted as saying? Has he changed his mind? Hopefully!
I don't think this is accurate. Egbuono reportedly had an agent. I think what Shaka said is that having an agent wouldn't affect what MU provides. He didn't say he wouldn't deal with them.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2026, 06:19:59 PMI don't think this is accurate. Egbuono reportedly had an agent. I think what Shaka said is that having an agent wouldn't affect what MU provides. He didn't say he wouldn't deal with them.
Lucas Morillo was lost to Illinois because of it.
He didn't care if players have agents. He supposedly cared that they would use agents to negotiate more NIL from Marquette.
My guess is that position has since changed.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 31, 2026, 06:26:37 PMLucas Morillo was lost to Illinois because of it.
Egbuono came to MU despite having an agent. Illinois likely offered more to Morillo.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 31, 2026, 06:35:59 PMEgbuono came to MU despite having an agent. Illinois likely offered more to Morillo.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 31, 2026, 06:28:13 PMHe didn't care if players have agents. He supposedly cared that they would use agents to negotiate more NIL from Marquette.
My guess is that position has since changed.
Exactly. Lost a good player because of it.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 31, 2026, 06:07:58 PMWhy be so smug when we have lost recruits because Shaka didn't want to deal with agents, as he's been quoted as saying? Has he changed his mind? Hopefully!
Share the quote
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on March 31, 2026, 07:05:56 PMShare the quote
You know what? that's fair. It's just been reported. I shouldn't have said quoted.
At the same time he hasn't, though. Until now.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 31, 2026, 06:07:58 PMWhy be so smug when we have lost recruits because Shaka didn't want to deal with agents
Because it always seemed like a false narrative and/or strawman.
Plus, nobody ever provided proof that Shaka rejected recruits or transfers who had agents ... and in fact, he provided proof (Egbuonu) that he was willing to deal with a player who had an agent.
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 07:56:45 PMBecause it always seemed like a false narrative and/or strawman.
Plus, nobody ever provided proof that Shaka rejected recruits or transfers who had agents ... and in fact, he provided proof (Egbuonu) that he was willing to deal with a player who had an agent.
You have a background in reporting. Do you think it was untrue?
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 31, 2026, 08:13:56 PMYou have a background in reporting. Do you think it was untrue?
I mean, Shaka literally signed a top-80 recruit who had an agent.
And I do not even know who "reported" this supposed aversion to dealing with players who had agents ... other than Scoopers who kept repeating it.
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 08:21:24 PMI mean, Shaka literally signed a top-80 recruit who had an agent.
And I do not even know who "reported" this supposed aversion to dealing with players who had agents ... other than Scoopers who kept repeating it.
It was something behind the scenes that was spoken about, so yeah, I can't give you a bunch of sources. And Sultan did say that it's not that way anymore. So props.
But it was. So you, VBMG, and Wades could maybe take a step back and recognize, 'hey, Shaka effed up and he was wrong. That's why we had the worst season in 35 years. He's now trying to fix it and that's a good a thing. The people criticizing him for his way of doing things weren't all wrong'.
"D1ckhead agents who try to pull some nonsensical bullsh1t and be the front man in our relationship with a recruit can go eff themselves" is far different than "if there's an agent, goodbye"
Quote from: MU82 on March 31, 2026, 08:21:24 PMI mean, Shaka literally signed a top-80 recruit who had an agent.
And I do not even know who "reported" this supposed aversion to dealing with players who had agents ... other than Scoopers who kept repeating it.
A version of this was reported by one agent who was as JayBee described it, a dickhead. It was repeated and treated as gospel by some. Despite multiple players on our roster having agents.
I won't deal with this agent and i won't deal with any agents are two very different things.
Providence-bound, I would guess.
https://x.com/AdamZagoria/status/2039156158854844557?s=20
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 31, 2026, 08:28:31 PMIt was something behind the scenes that was spoken about, so yeah, I can't give you a bunch of sources. And Sultan did say that it's not that way anymore. So props.
But it was. So you, VBMG, and Wades could maybe take a step back and recognize, 'hey, Shaka effed up and he was wrong. That's why we had the worst season in 35 years. He's now trying to fix it and that's a good a thing. The people criticizing him for his way of doing things weren't all wrong'.
I can't speak for VBMG and wades, but I advocated for us to bring in transfers after each of the last three seasons.
I mostly thought the help was more needed on the fringes - in other words, role players such as a defense-minded 5 to share time with Gold, a combo guard who could help at PG, and a shooter off the bench. I was generally pleased with the results of Shaka's first four seasons, thanks mostly to the way numerous players improved under his coaching staff.
However, when it became obvious that it was no longer working and that we needed to hit the portal for starter-level players, I expressed that, too.
I just didn't say it 83,441 times. And although Shaka deserved to be criticized for this past season, I chose not to rip him several times a day as some others have done. He earned my respect with his overall body of work, and he also earned the chance to make things right.
Like you and other Scoopers, I am glad he has realized that today's coaches need to use all the talent-acquisition methods out there. I wish he had realized it sooner, but I'm happy that at least he has realized it now.
And I happen to believe that our alma mater's basketball program has a bright future.
As for the agent thing, I simply never saw proof, so I didn't give it credence.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 31, 2026, 08:28:31 PMIt was something behind the scenes that was spoken about, so yeah, I can't give you a bunch of sources. And Sultan did say that it's not that way anymore. So props.
But it was. So you, VBMG, and Wades could maybe take a step back and recognize, 'hey, Shaka effed up and he was wrong. That's why we had the worst season in 35 years. He's now trying to fix it and that's a good a thing. The people criticizing him for his way of doing things weren't all wrong'.
Not sure where you're getting this from.
Prior to the season I thought Shaka had earned the right to go against the grain and do things his way. I still feel that way.
As this season unfolded it became more clear his approach was not sustainable and I said it was as on him to fix it as he's accountable for the results.
Somehow people that didn't lose their minds about how awful the season was get labeled as slurpers.
It seems to me most Scoopers are on the same page. Furious about how horrific our season was, but having the belief Shaka will turn this around. And he absolutely deserves the opportunity for redemption. Now, having said that, if 2026-27 is another debacle? Unleashing extreme wrath will move to higher percentages in the threads.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 31, 2026, 09:56:54 PMNot sure where you're getting this from.
Prior to the season I thought Shaka had earned the right to go against the grain and do things his way. I still feel that way.
As this season unfolded it became more clear his approach was not sustainable and I said it was as on him to fix it as he's accountable for the results.
Somehow people that didn't lose their minds about how awful the season was get labeled as slurpers.
Going against the grain how? His All American was a transfer. The rest of the best players on the roster were transfers or guys he didn't recruit.
And then once all those guys left, he 'went against the grain' and he was left with the worst team in decades. I guarantee he got sat down and was told, 'yeah, none of this BS anymore'
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on March 31, 2026, 10:41:00 PMGoing against the grain how? His All American was a transfer. The rest of the best players on the roster were transfers or guys he didn't recruit.
And then once all those guys left, he 'went against the grain' and he was left with the worst team in decades. I guarantee he got sat down and was told, 'yeah, none of this BS anymore'
This again? Really?
He had to take transfers to field a team. He did so and from then it was retention and development.
He brought Jop with, already had a relationship with Oso, and did in fact recruit Kam and Stevie to stay.
And your "guarantee" is meaningless. You actually have no clue how the change in approach came to be.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 31, 2026, 11:14:14 PMThis again? Really?
He had to take transfers to field a team. He did so and from then it was retention and development.
He brought Jop with, already had a relationship with Oso, and did in fact recruit Kam and Stevie to stay.
And your "guarantee" is meaningless. You actually have no clue how the change in approach came to be.
"This again"
It's time for folks who point out he 'had to' make up his first teams to recognize that he built his best teams this way. It's not just a coincidence that the transfer market and Wojo's recruits just randomly so happen to make up his best teams. Once it was all his recruits the team was abysmal.
Trey Autry from GW in the portal. 6'4" 210lbs 38% from 3.
Nvm
There's an article from yesterday on 247 Sports behind a firewall which states that one program is a front runner for Miles Byrd's services based upon a previous relationship and a style of play very favorable for Byrd to make an impact. 🤔
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 02, 2026, 08:28:31 AMThere's an article from yesterday on 247 Sports behind a firewall which states that one program is a front runner for Miles Byrd's services based upon a previous relationship and a style of play very favorable for Byrd to make an impact. 🤔
I am guessing that program is Kentucky? Due to Lamont Butler connection.
Or Villanova because his father played there.
It'll be fascinating to see what happens in the next few weeks, but I'm trying not to get too excited for every announcement. I doubt MU will be able to snag the most coveted players. Maybe there's one slightly splashy signing, but I bet there will be "diamond in the rough" pickups that (hopefully) surprise everyone next season.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 08:48:07 AMOr Villanova because his father played there.
Green weenie, aina?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 02, 2026, 08:48:07 AMOr Villanova because his father played there.
I thought his dad played for the celtics
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 02, 2026, 08:28:31 AMThere's an article from yesterday on 247 Sports behind a firewall which states that one program is a front runner for Miles Byrd's services based upon a previous relationship and a style of play very favorable for Byrd to make an impact. 🤔
They mention that he is a priority for Kentucky......the front runner part may be true but seemed like speculation aimed at their audience since they quoted a guy from the Kentucky site.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 02, 2026, 09:09:05 AMIt'll be fascinating to see what happens in the next few weeks, but I'm trying not to get too excited for every announcement. I doubt MU will be able to snag the most coveted players. Maybe there's one slightly splashy signing, but I bet there will be "diamond in the rough" pickups that (hopefully) surprise everyone next season.
Agreed. I'd love an absolutely unbelievable signing...but I don't necessarily recall anyone thinking that Kolek or OMax were two of the most coveted players. It's more important to be right than to make a splash.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 02, 2026, 10:16:32 AMAgreed. I'd love an absolutely unbelievable signing...but I don't necessarily recall anyone thinking that Kolek or OMax were two of the most coveted players. It's more important to be right than to make a splash.
Kolek was A10 ROTY and definitely highly sought after, though I agree that neither him nor Omax were necessarily top 20 available transfers at the time.
The real difference is neither Kolek nor Omax were targeted when we were in desperate need of immediate impact talent. And neither of them lit up the league in their first seasons here. We are in the unfortunate position of needing at least two guys that are instant difference makers.
Given the dollar amounts mentioned on this site and the state of our roster, I expect to at the very least be in contention for the top players on the market. How that shakes out remains to be seen.
https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2039873578561061221?s=20
All I know is if we land Fru, we're definitely coming to the Christmas game with a "FRU-liche WI have a toothachechten!!!" sign.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 02, 2026, 08:16:40 PMAll I know is if we land Fru, we're definitely coming to the Christmas game with a "FRU-liche WI have a toothachechten!!!" sign.
The promotions department is already prepared for Fru Manchu day
(https://i.pinimg.com/564x/93/4d/9d/934d9d69fbe22dc43c7a91fb035395a1.jpg)
What will it take to get BYRD & BIDUNGA?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2026, 09:56:12 AMWhat will it take to get BYRD & BIDUNGA?
Start buying some scratchers
A benevolent broligarch.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 03, 2026, 10:01:33 AMStart buying some scratchers
What's the number?
4 m?
5 m?
6 m?
More?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2026, 10:21:45 AMWhat's the number?
4 m?
5 m?
6 m?
More?
A solid Jesuit education was good enough for Don Kojis
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2026, 10:21:45 AMWhat's the number?
4 m?
5 m?
6 m?
More?
Waste of time guessing. Ain't happenin'.
Muggsy, once again, you are trying to know the unknowable. Nobody has any idea. We can make guesses how large MU's war chest is. We can make guesses what the money is going to look like. But nobody knows everything. And no one will, even after portal season is over.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 03, 2026, 10:22:42 AMA solid Jesuit education was good enough for Don Kojis
To be fair, all of the budget for what would have been Kojis' NIL was taken up by bulk purchases of Listerine and superior athletic tape. Hence why nobody on those teams ever got hurt like current squads.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 03, 2026, 11:15:24 AMTo be fair, all of the budget for what would have been Kojis' NIL was taken up by bulk purchases of Listerine and superior athletic tape. Hence why nobody on those teams ever got hurt like current squads.
Quality throwback.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 03, 2026, 10:21:45 AMWhat's the number?
4 m?
5 m?
6 m?
More?
Probably $7M. Give or take.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 03, 2026, 11:15:24 AMTo be fair, all of the budget for what would have been Kojis' NIL was taken up by bulk purchases of Listerine and superior athletic tape. Hence why nobody on those teams ever got hurt like current squads.
Sounds like the Chuck Taylors were donated?
https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2040116656039461183?s=20
Oswin Erhunmwunse enters the Portal — MU offered him a scholarship spot out of HS — so staff must like him
Quote from: tsciii on April 03, 2026, 01:53:59 PMOswin Erhunmwunse enters the Portal — MU offered him a scholarship spot out of HS — so staff must like him
This feels like a realistic get. Especially with what onepost said about hearing some chatter
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 03, 2026, 11:41:42 AMProbably $7M. Give or take.
That is a pretty fair estimate.
Bad news for Seton Hall.
https://x.com/i/status/2040184636664434977
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 03, 2026, 05:27:38 PMBad news for Seton Hall.
https://x.com/i/status/2040184636664434977
Seton Hall doesn't have 3 million to spend on a big
https://x.com/sorangejuice/status/2040197189125701762?s=61
Doubt MU will have interest........I post it because this guy was a teammate of Adrien's at Bullis......Shaka got a tip that he was a guy they should check out........when Shaka went to watch he was immediately impressed by Stevens........asked somebody who he was........then told them " He's your best player"
Never pursued Diggs.
https://x.com/tobias_bass/status/2040474238604218540?s=61
Quote from: jfp61 on April 03, 2026, 05:29:00 PMSeton Hall doesn't have 3 million to spend on a big
I'm not sure that Seton Hall has $3000 to spend
https://x.com/JoeTipton/status/2040450767488737450?s=20
This former target may try to play for every team in the big east?
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 03, 2026, 11:41:42 AMProbably $7M. Give or take.
That's what two or three Scooper's have under their sofa cushions!! Get er done.
If Shaka does bring in a transfer with more than one year of eligibility remaining, I imagine it would be very unlikely that it's someone that's already transferred previously.
Tough news for Nova
https://x.com/joetipton/status/2040837006151110669?s=61
A big man to keep an eye on if Oswin or Fru don't pan out.
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2040848178342150451?s=42
Quote from: MuMark on April 05, 2026, 12:05:05 PMTough news for Nova
https://x.com/joetipton/status/2040837006151110669?s=61
I haven't been following mock drafts so I don't know if Lewis has a real chance of going in the 1st round but this is brutal for Nova.
Who knows - maybe he does end up returning.
I've said it before - Shaka deserves massive credit for retaining our best players.
Acaden Lewis has not been listed on any mock drafts that I have seen. This is considered a very deep PG class, so I would bet on him returning to college.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 05, 2026, 02:02:50 PMAcaden Lewis has not been listed on any mock drafts that I have seen. This is considered a very deep PG class, so I would bet on him returning to college.
He's just hunting for money, which was the only reason he ended up at Nova to begin with. Thinks he'll get more elsewhere now.
Quote from: rccola42 on April 05, 2026, 02:24:31 PMHe's just hunting for money, which was the only reason he ended up at Nova to begin with. Thinks he'll get more elsewhere now.
Stepping stone job
Quote from: onepost on April 05, 2026, 01:06:10 PMA big man to keep an eye on if Oswin or Fru don't pan out.
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2040848178342150451?s=42
I'd take this guy over Oswin.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 05, 2026, 03:24:46 PMI'd take this guy over Oswin.
I think I'd go:
- Somto
- Fru
- Buljan
- Oswin
- Hines
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 05, 2026, 03:24:46 PMI'd take this guy over Oswin.
Did you see Oswin in the BE Tourney ?
Quote from: onepost on April 05, 2026, 01:06:10 PMA big man to keep an eye on if Oswin or Fru don't pan out.
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2040848178342150451?s=42
Maybe we can get a Tommie and a Tommy
Bryce Lindsay also entering the portal from Nova.
When it comes to choosing a big man at the deli counter, I would go Miles for a Rubin.
Willard losing Lewis and Lindsay would be like Shaka losing James and Stevens.
I applaud how MU retains their players.
According to their board 3
Mill was offered to Lewis.
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2026, 06:05:10 PMI applaud how MU retains their players.
Yup. We just need more really good ones to retain!
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2026, 05:57:50 PMWillard losing Lewis and Lindsay would be like Shaka losing James and Stevens.
Wow.
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2026, 05:57:50 PMWillard losing Lewis and Lindsay would be like Shaka losing James and Stevens.
Unless a coach was ready to replace them...
There has not been any announcement of Minessale entering the portal yet, correct?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 05, 2026, 07:41:57 PMUnless a coach was ready to replace them...
I'll be real interested in seeing if Willard replaces them with equal-quality players. Kinda doubt it.
I'm confident in saying that if Nigel had left, Shaka wouldn't have been able to replace him with an equal-quality PG.
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2026, 05:57:50 PMWillard losing Lewis and Lindsay would be like Shaka losing James and Stevens.
So Nova is worse off than the Hall. Not looking good for the Big East unless they sign someone of equal or better talent.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 05, 2026, 06:12:16 PMAccording to their board 3
Mill was offered to Lewis.
So which school offered him more than 3 Mill to bolt Nova if true? Cannot imagine entering the portal with no offers.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 05, 2026, 09:27:19 PMSo which school offered him more than 3 Mill to bolt Nova if true? Cannot imagine entering the portal with no offers.
A lot of these kids think that there is more money out there than there really is. They hear rumors of someone getting 4 or 5 million, rumors doesn't make it true, but it does maybe motivate someone to go looking.
Quote from: forgetful on April 05, 2026, 09:37:25 PMA lot of these kids think that there is more money out there than there really is. They hear rumors of someone getting 4 or 5 million, rumors doesn't make it true, but it does maybe motivate someone to go looking.
What agent would tell a kid to pass up 3 mil if there were not better offers on the table. I am sure agents have their reputations to protect as well.
Quote from: forgetful on April 05, 2026, 09:37:25 PMA lot of these kids think that there is more money out there than there really is. They hear rumors of someone getting 4 or 5 million, rumors doesn't make it true, but it does maybe motivate someone to go looking.
I think the problem is that money is there, but only for a small subset of players. You'll get a handful of $3M+ guys, maybe 20-30, but there will be 100-150 that think they are worth that amount.
Kevin Willard is an ass. Don't compare Shaka to that ass.
Any predictions what MU will end up with for portal guys? Nolan, one of the aforementioned bigs and a random third?
Quote from: Markusquette on April 05, 2026, 10:16:04 PMAny predictions what MU will end up with for portal guys? Nolan, one of the aforementioned bigs and a random third?
I think Marquette will add a big and a guard and will stay with 2 from the portal. Late developer Kyle Evans and Nolan?
Quote from: Markusquette on April 05, 2026, 10:16:04 PMAny predictions what MU will end up with for portal guys? Nolan, one of the aforementioned bigs and a random third?
3-4 adds. A big is the top priority, another ball handler, and a wing. Possibly a second big if there's room.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 05, 2026, 11:10:13 PM4 adds.
You really think there's a "surprise" announcement coming? I believe you told me conversations had already happened!
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 05, 2026, 11:10:13 PM3-4 adds. A big is the top priority, another ball handler, and a wing. Possibly a second big if there's room.
Cannot see it. 5 bigs is too many. And if MU goes into a season with only 3 ballhandlers, it can be nearly guaranteed to end in disaster. Give me two guards and a big.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 06:47:47 AMCannot see it. 5 bigs is too many. And if MU goes into a season with only 3 ballhandlers, it can be nearly guaranteed to end in disaster. Give me two guards and a big.
I think we need at least 3, preferably 4 players that can effectively play the 4-5 positions. Currently we have one in Royce and hope Pearson can be a second.
We've recruited Stevens, Owens, Phillips, Miletic, Walker, and Egbuonu to the 2/3 wing positions. If we're going to carry 6 wings, some of those guys need to be coached to handle the ball because I don't think anyone is coaching them to grow 4-6 inches.
I would rather have all of those 6'7 wings guarding 6'9 guys than initiating offense.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 07:30:14 AMI would rather have all of those 6'7 wings guarding 6'9 guys than initiating offense.
Two different ends of the floor. And guys need to be capable of more than one thing. Morsell, Kam, Stevie, & Chase all initiated offense from the 2/3. No reason some of those guys shouldn't be able to do the same.
If no more departures, here's how I see the roster:
Guards
James
Stevens
Walker
Ball handling wings
Miletic
Johnston
Off ball forwards
Owens
Phillips
Egbuonu
Parham
Bigs
Pearson
Hamilton
Clark
Transfer priorities:
1. Big man that can start
2. Ball handler/guard capable of starting or 6th man
3. BPA or guard depth
I can envision many different scenarios depending on who Shaka can land. It will be interesting to see things play out.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 06:47:47 AMCannot see it. 5 bigs is too many. And if MU goes into a season with only 3 ballhandlers, it can be nearly guaranteed to end in disaster. Give me two guards and a big.
Two of them suck and another will be a freshman.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2026, 08:08:50 AMTwo of them suck and another will be a freshman.
Don't care. 1-4 can play multiple positions in nearly any offense or defense and be mixed and matched. Having 4-5 players that can only play one position and can only be played one at a time is terrible roster construction. To me, it is equally as bad as having 4-5 sub 6 foot guards on a roster. Too limiting.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 06, 2026, 08:06:01 AMTransfer priorities:
1. Big man that can start
2. Ball handler/guard capable of starting or 6th man
3. BPA or guard depth
I can envision many different scenarios depending on who Shaka can land. It will be interesting to see things play out.
Need a high usage guy. Or else we are eff'd.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 08:18:19 AMDon't care. 1-4 can play multiple positions in nearly any offense or defense and be mixed and matched. Having 4-5 players that can only play one position and can only be played one at a time is terrible roster construction. To me, it is equally as bad as having 4-5 sub 6 foot guards on a roster. Too limiting.
Ideally Clark and/or Hamilton would leave, but I am with brew. We don't have enough between the four and five. That is why another wing would be helpful.
Currently, there are two guards on the roster. Hutchins, Diener, McNeal, James, Kolek, Jones, Jones, Mitchell.
Give me guard depth.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 08:36:47 AMCurrently, there are two guards on the roster. Hutchins, Diener, McNeal, James, Kolek, Jones, Jones, Mitchell.
Give me guard depth.
That too.
Gard always gets it done.
https://x.com/i/status/2041155759048671663
A crapload went wrong for MU these past 12 months... But I just love seeing John Blackwell in the transfer portal and Nigel James firmly on Marquette's roster....
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 08:36:47 AMCurrently, there are two guards on the roster. Hutchins, Diener, McNeal, James, Kolek, Jones, Jones, Mitchell.
Give me guard depth.
I'm not sure I get this list... backups are supposed to just be competent and Kam for Kolek or Acker for James were just that. You can't expect to Have a backup to Kolek or James that's not going to be a step down. So I think we need to better establish what you mean with these examples. Because a star guard on par with NJ isn't coming to play backup in case he gets injured.
Deiner is the scenario where you have a decent team and the wheels fall off when there's truly no guard depth. (I don't know anything about the 90s injury situations to speak on hutch)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 05, 2026, 08:56:32 PMThere has not been any announcement of Minessale entering the portal yet, correct?
I have not seen one. He's the guy I heard rumblings about "almost a certainty MU transfer" from coaches in the SE Wisconsin area.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 06, 2026, 09:22:20 AMGard always gets it done.
https://x.com/i/status/2041155759048671663
Saw some smoke about Kentucky and Duke kicking the tires on him
The portal giveth and the portal taketh away.
Any prospect at Marquette getting Lewis? That would be a stellar back court with NJ and AS.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2026, 08:08:50 AMTwo of them suck and another will be a freshman.
An if a fourth roster spot opens up, it's likely that one of the bigs will be the departure anyway.
Seeing that Harris, Lewis, Blackwell and, presumably, others, have announced both their intention to transfer and plans to enter (or at least look into) the draft, I'm wondering how much the new world of payments, contracts and more transfers impacts and is impacted by players announcing intentions to do both. It would seem to me that schools and players would like to know and fill their openings as soon as possible, ideally even within the portal window. But, for players considering the draft, won't their decision and their timing transfer be pushed later into the summer? Might they have fewer opportunities then? Or, might they be trying to signal that, if a team wants them now, they need to pony up enough money to talk them out of considering the draft?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 06, 2026, 10:11:46 AMAny prospect at Marquette getting Lewis? That would be a stellar back court with NJ and AS.
It would also be a tiny backcourt with no defense.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 06, 2026, 10:11:46 AMAny prospect at Marquette getting Lewis? That would be a stellar back court with NJ and AS.
No
Says something about the roster when consensus seems to be that three portal additions aren't enough to fill all the needs.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 06, 2026, 10:46:30 AMSays something about the roster when consensus seems to be that three portal additions aren't enough to fill all the needs.
1. It depends on who the 3 are.
2. Scoop consensus is never wrong. Just look at the predictions going into this past season!
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 06, 2026, 10:11:46 AMAny prospect at Marquette getting Lewis? That would be a stellar back court with NJ and AS.
Nope.....we are already paying millions for a point guard.........Miami seems like one to watch for him but could be blue blood too
Quote from: Pakuni on April 06, 2026, 10:46:30 AMSays something about the roster when consensus seems to be that three portal additions aren't enough to fill all the needs.
3 seems like the consensus to me.
Quote from: mug644 on April 06, 2026, 10:33:09 AMSeeing that Harris, Lewis, Blackwell and, presumably, others, have announced both their intention to transfer and plans to enter (or at least look into) the draft, I'm wondering how much the new world of payments, contracts and more transfers impacts and is impacted by players announcing intentions to do both. It would seem to me that schools and players would like to know and fill their openings as soon as possible, ideally even within the portal window. But, for players considering the draft, won't their decision and their timing transfer be pushed later into the summer? Might they have fewer opportunities then? Or, might they be trying to signal that, if a team wants them now, they need to pony up enough money to talk them out of considering the draft?
There is no portal window, just a notification window.
Will they have fewer opportunities? Seems like certainly so.. however, may they be able to make more money by waiting? There may be teams with spaces open who didn't get the guys/types of guys they wanted and they are more desperate later in the process, and therefore willing to pay more to get what's left.
I think the answer is... it all depends.
It gets pretty ugly. I think for a guy who doesn't have a deal with his current school yet.. but actually wants to stay but wants more money... it's slimy, but why not notify during the notification period. If you wind up staying and it gives you leverage... great for you (in some cases). Obviously there's a risk the school moves on and/or finds something better/different while you play that game, but could work in some cases.
Bizarro world.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 06, 2026, 11:03:47 AM3 seems like the consensus to me.
Three seems to be the consensus of how many there will be.
But the fact we're debating big vs another guard seems to indicate that three won't be enough.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 06, 2026, 11:14:24 AMThree seems to be the consensus of how many there will be.
But the fact we're debating big vs another guard seems to indicate that three won't be enough.
There's basically one poster arguing guard over big.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 06, 2026, 10:46:30 AMSays something about the roster when consensus seems to be that three portal additions aren't enough to fill all the needs.
A.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 06, 2026, 10:46:30 AMSays something about the roster when consensus seems to be that three portal additions aren't enough to fill all the needs.
Most teams had more then 3 portal players last season though right? My memory says that when Marquette played Indiana all 5 starters were portals. Though I didn't look before posting
Quote from: wadesworld on April 06, 2026, 11:19:52 AMThere's basically one poster arguing guard over big.
That part is crazy. Saw how bad Gold was, now wants to run it back with Hamilton, Clark, and a freshman loool
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 06, 2026, 09:22:20 AMGard always gets it done.
https://x.com/i/status/2041155759048671663
"It's a tough decision," Blackwell said. "I'm looking for a place where I can enhance my skills for the NBA and a place where I can compete for a national championship. A place where that's the standard and what we're striving for."
That might leave a mark.
Meh. I haven't said no bigs. I have said I prioritize guard depth. I am OK on this hill.
I expect two guards and a big.
And, if MU brings in acombination of Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, Ewing, it won't matter if there are injuries at guard and no guard depth.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 11:28:22 AMMeh. I haven't said no bigs. I have said I prioritize guard depth. I am OK on this hill.
I expect two guards and a big.
And, if MU brings in acombination of Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, Ewing, it won't matter if there are injuries at guard and no guard depth.
Current day Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, and Ewing, agreed. But at their peak we would win the national title even if James didn't play a minute next season at Marquette.
Quote from: Oldgym on April 06, 2026, 11:25:10 AM"It's a tough decision," Blackwell said. "I'm looking for a place where I can enhance my skills for the NBA and a place where I can compete for a national championship. A place where that's the standard and what we're striving for."
That might leave a mark.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/HFO007-WMAAZQ0r?format=jpg&name=medium)
Quote from: Oldgym on April 06, 2026, 11:25:10 AM"It's a tough decision," Blackwell said. "I'm looking for a place where I can enhance my skills for the NBA and a place where I can compete for a national championship. A place where that's the standard and what we're striving for."
That might leave a mark.
That's a pretty damning indictment of UW basketball from someone who's been in the program multiple years. Feels like a Chucky Hepburn move but from a better talent.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 06, 2026, 11:14:24 AMThree seems to be the consensus of how many there will be.
But the fact we're debating big vs another guard seems to indicate that three won't be enough.
Why? A big and a guard account for 2.
Quote from: WearGold on April 06, 2026, 11:32:45 AMThat's a pretty damning indictment of UW basketball from someone who's been in the program multiple years. Feels like a Chucky Hepburn move but from a better talent.
It's a bizzaro situation. They clearly have money to bring guys in but have watched key long-term guys walk in Hepburn and Blackwell. The money being mentioned for Blackwell is high and maybe they feel better allocating what's available to a fuller, more well-rounded roster and understanding their ceiling.
I do wonder if Gard gets a wandering eye at some point, though, because those are program guys leaving.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 08:36:47 AMCurrently, there are two guards on the roster. Hutchins, Diener, McNeal, James, Kolek, Jones, Jones, Mitchell.
Give me guard depth.
Agree. We need another guard. Seen plenty of times in the past how MU has been hurt with lack of depth at that position.
Quote from: wisblue on April 06, 2026, 11:33:21 AMWhy? A big and a guard account for 2.
I think the assumption is we're adding at least one wing and a big. Seems to be some discussion of whether we had another guard and/or a big beyond that.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 11:28:22 AMMeh. I haven't said no bigs. I have said I prioritize guard depth. I am OK on this hill.
I expect two guards and a big.
And, if MU brings in acombination of Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, Ewing, it won't matter if there are injuries at guard and no guard depth.
Marquette would win every game by 40 points. They could use a walk on who played D2 high-school as the point at that rate.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 06, 2026, 11:57:44 AMMarquette would win every game by 40 points. They could use a walk on who played D2 high-school as the point at that rate.
Chones and Kareem, together again
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2026, 11:50:03 AMIt's a bizzaro situation. They clearly have money to bring guys in but have watched key long-term guys walk in Hepburn and Blackwell. The money being mentioned for Blackwell is high and maybe they feel better allocating what's available to a fuller, more well-rounded roster and understanding their ceiling.
I do wonder if Gard gets a wandering eye at some point, though, because those are program guys leaving.
Could just be the amount of racism in middle Wisconsin haha
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2026, 11:58:37 AMChones and Kareem, together again
Im buying season tickets in the front row if we get that team.
Nope. None of them won championships without someone getting them the ball.
MU history, what worked better, the midgets or Derrick Wilson intitiating offense to feed Gardner in the post?
Would this past season have gone better with better guards behind Chase, Adrien, and NJ?
So to be absolutely clear, yes, I fear going into the season with inadequate guard depth and subsequent injuries and fatigue more than I fear going into the season with Caedin, Josh, and Sheek.
This hill has a nice Swiss chalet on it with a great view of the valley. I am comfortable here.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 12:03:55 PMNope. None of them won championships without someone getting them the ball.
MU history, what worked better, the midgets or Derrick Wilson intitiating offense to feed Gardner in the post?
Well, Gardner was worse than Lazar Hayward, no matter how undersized Lazar was (and I'm not sure it's more than an inch or so, and I'm certain Lazar defended the 5 spot way better than Davante did). So yeah, the team that had both better guards and better bigs was more successful (although Davante's team did make it to the Elite 8 while the midgets got 2 total NCAA Tournament wins).
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 11:28:22 AMMeh. I haven't said no bigs. I have said I prioritize guard depth. I am OK on this hill.
I expect two guards and a big.
And, if MU brings in acombination of Shaq, Kareem, Hakeem, Ewing, it won't matter if there are injuries at guard and no guard depth.
I think you're losing people when you want guard depth over a big.
Marquette didn't have an injury problem with guards this season (minus Sean deciding to leave 1/4 through) and they went 12-20, with terrible big play.
Now you're saying you want to prioritize a guard for depth over a big. They're going 12-20 again without a capable big.
As of now, MU has two players to man the 4 and 5 spots: Parham and Pearson. Pearson is unproven. Beyond that MU has the 14th and 15th players who can use scholarships but not be expected to play. I'd say a 5 is a big priority and a 4 would be a good idea.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2026, 11:50:03 AMIt's a bizzaro situation. They clearly have money to bring guys in but have watched key long-term guys walk in Hepburn and Blackwell. The money being mentioned for Blackwell is high and maybe they feel better allocating what's available to a fuller, more well-rounded roster and understanding their ceiling.
I do wonder if Gard gets a wandering eye at some point, though, because those are program guys leaving.
They have an older Aussie PG who originally committed to LSU coming in next year (Foxwell) and may get his younger brother, who was a stud for Portland in the WCC as a freshman (ask Gonzaga about him). Both are almost certainly cheaper than what Blackwell is likely demanding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Foxwell
https://x.com/JonChep/status/2036786122961911861
Quote from: Oldgym on April 06, 2026, 11:25:10 AM"It's a tough decision," Blackwell said. "I'm looking for a place where I can enhance my skills for the NBA and a place where I can compete for a national championship. A place where that's the standard and what we're striving for."
That might leave a mark.
Translation: "Show me the money!!!"
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 06, 2026, 12:16:50 PMThey have an older Aussie PG who originally committed to LSU coming in next year (Foxwell) and may get his younger brother, who was a stud for Portland in the WCC as a freshman (ask Gonzaga about him).
"Stud" who shot 32% from 3 in 200+ attempts and had a 47.2% eFG%. yucky
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 08:18:19 AMDon't care. 1-4 can play multiple positions in nearly any offense or defense and be mixed and matched. Having 4-5 players that can only play one position and can only be played one at a time is terrible roster construction. To me, it is equally as bad as having 4-5 sub 6 foot guards on a roster. Too limiting.
Can Royce only play one position? Have you watched Michigan, Illinois, or Arizona? You can play 2-3 players at 6'9"+ at the same time.
It's just fun when a player who made a big deal out of saying he's a Weasel For Life suddenly says, "Never mind. I want to go somewhere I won't lose to High Point."
Blackwell's final Weasel memory: He had a great view of his backcourt partner making wild - and wildly unsuccessful - 1-on-1 forays into the heart of the High Point defense on the final two possessions.
Anybody do a wellness check on GE03 yet?
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 06, 2026, 12:13:22 PMI think you're losing people when you want guard depth over a big.
Marquette didn't have an injury problem with guards this season (minus Sean deciding to leave 1/4 through) and they went 12-20, with terrible big play.
Now you're saying you want to prioritize a guard for depth over a big. They're going 12-20 again without a capable big.
Zaidde left, leaving Tre as the only guard off the bench on a 12-20 team. 3 pt shooting was the achilles. I appreciate you making my point.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 06, 2026, 12:45:03 PMCan Royce only play one position? Have you watched Michigan, Illinois, or Arizona? You can play 2-3 players at 6'9"+ at the same time.
All mobile. And I would love another mobile 6'9 guy to play with Royce.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 06, 2026, 12:16:50 PMThey have an older Aussie PG who originally committed to LSU coming in next year (Foxwell) and may get his younger brother, who was a stud for Portland in the WCC as a freshman (ask Gonzaga about him). Both are almost certainly cheaper than what Blackwell is likely demanding.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Owen_Foxwell
https://x.com/JonChep/status/2036786122961911861
Man, that team is going to play well with the folks in rural Wisconsin who like their population white
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 12:03:55 PMNope. None of them won championships without someone getting them the ball.
MU history, what worked better, the midgets or Derrick Wilson intitiating offense to feed Gardner in the post?
Would this past season have gone better with better guards behind Chase, Adrien, and NJ?
Better players would have made the team better, yes. Better starting quality bigs would've made a much bigger difference than better backup guards. I think you're underestimating how awful we were at the center position.
It's like you're saying, 'For Thanksgiving this year we have turkey with dog food on the side. We should prioritize getting a ham in case the turkey burns'
How many MU teams have made the tourney with good guard play and meh bigs?
How many MU teams have made the tournament with good bigs and meh guards?
To me, it couldn't be simpler.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 02:24:25 PMHow many MU teams have made the tourney with good guard play and meh bigs?
How many MU teams have made the tournament with good bigs and meh guards?
To me, it couldn't be simpler.
Good news is we have good guards heading into next season.
Quote from: Oldgym on April 06, 2026, 11:25:10 AM"It's a tough decision," Blackwell said. "I'm looking for a place where I can enhance my skills for the NBA and a place where I can compete for a national championship. A place where that's the standard and what we're striving for."
That might leave a mark.
Excellent news!!!
Only two of them. Not enough to get through the season.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 06, 2026, 02:09:00 PMMan, that team is going to play well with the folks in rural Wisconsin who like their population white
The Foxwells are mixed race, but whatever works for you.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 06, 2026, 02:32:40 PMThe Foxwells are mixed race, but whatever works for you.
Rural Wisconsin can handle Asian/White
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 02:28:59 PMTwo of them. Not enough to get through the season.
How do you not understand you're arguing against yourself? You admit we have two good guards heading into next season. Guess what - as of April 6th, we have exactly ZERO good bigs.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 01:53:14 PMAll mobile. And I would love another mobile 6'9 guy to play with Royce.
So...exactly what I'm saying we need?
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 06, 2026, 02:38:43 PMSo...exactly what I'm saying we need?
I have said the same.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 06, 2026, 02:36:45 PMHow do you not understand you're arguing against yourself? You admit we have two good guards heading into next season. Guess what - as of April 6th, we have exactly ZERO good bigs.
How do you not understand that I am saying two guards and a big. That I worry more about having bad guard depth than I do about meh bigs. That MU has won with meh bigs but never with meh guards. That guard injuries are pretty common at MU. As is making the tournament without great bigs?
I am arguing the principle that good teams start with good guard play and I want more depth.
I am actually flummoxed and gobsmacked that this is even being debated.
Assum
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 06, 2026, 02:36:45 PMHow do you not understand you're arguing against yourself? You admit we have two good guards heading into next season. Guess what - as of April 6th, we have exactly ZERO good bigs.
Assuming a player like Nash Walker can provide some guard minutes in combination with Stevens or James is a less bold assumption than assuming you will have a BE quality starting center out of Hamilton, Clark, or a freshman.
https://x.com/recruits_cfb/status/2041190005696061503?s=61
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 02:24:25 PMHow many MU teams have made the tourney with good guard play and meh bigs?
How many MU teams have made the tournament with good bigs and meh guards?
To me, it couldn't be simpler.
We have good guards and unplayable bigs. Your questions don't apply.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 06, 2026, 02:52:46 PMWe have good guards and unplayable bigs. Your questions don't apply.
Eye roll with a slight head shake and a right hand pumping motion.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 06, 2026, 12:13:22 PMI think you're losing people when you want guard depth over a big.
Marquette didn't have an injury problem with guards this season (minus Sean deciding to leave 1/4 through) and they went 12-20, with terrible big play.
Now you're saying you want to prioritize a guard for depth over a big. They're going 12-20 again without a capable big.
When things go bad it is always the injury excuse as one of the factors. Just this year, Owens surgery prior to freshman year, Ross wrist and shoulder, Tre's shoulder and of course Gold's shin splints from August, 2023, and then his late season, not early ankle and supposedly ribs. It's as if MU players get an injury and they never heal.
Shaka will get a bigman, just a matter of who and when. I still can't believe one of Clark and Hamilton have not entered portal, but it is early. One of them will be a three minute a half player, the other at end of bench. That of course if they both stay.
As far as this guard play issue, I must be missing something. What's the matter with the two redshirts, Nash and Militec? They now have one full year practicing with the team. Yeah, some will say, they are freshmen, but so were James and Stevens, but they had no one capable on bench, and that hurt. Can these guys play basketball as a decent guard to rest both starters? I am also convinced Shaka will bring in an experienced portal player, but are the two redshirts that bad.
As of now:
One competent bigman who can rebound, make shots within three feet of hoop and not commit two fouls in four minutes.
One experienced guard
One experienced wing, not having the vibes on Owens
Fun to begin.
They aren't point guards. They are 2-3-4's
I see injuries, foul trouble, fatigue for the MU sophomore guard tandem. I love them to death, but they cannot play 40. Not the style they play.
I cannot see the logic in assuming that Nash, Ian, Egbuono can initiate the offense. As in, freshmen who aren't true PGs can fill in a position they don't play and initiate offense. But a 4 star RS big can't handle minutes at the 5.
I'm not the one with logic and consistency problems.
I expect two guards and a big. As I have said all along. I prioritize guard play and depth more than I do post play. As I have for a very long time.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 02:44:51 PMHow do you not understand that I am saying two guards and a big. That I worry more about having bad guard depth than I do about meh bigs. That MU has won with meh bigs but never with meh guards. That guard injuries are pretty common at MU. As is making the tournament without great bigs?
I am arguing the principle that good teams start with good guard play and I want more depth.
I am actually flummoxed and gobsmacked that this is even being debated.
I think the issue is that neither Hamilton nor Clark rise to the level of "meh."
They're bad.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 03:02:04 PMThey aren't point guards. They are 2-3-4's
Can they dribble the ball and are competent enough to play in order to rest James and Stevens. But then again if an injury happens.... :D Thats the purpose, like I said Shaka will bring in a guard who can play both the one and two. Or are they going to be stapled to the bench. If bench, then Shaka might lose another class like the Amadou, Norman, Hamilton and Lowery disaster class. Will be a good discussion in a month
Now this is going to be one of the ones that is worth whatever he gets.
https://x.com/i/status/2041247641586037103
Quote from: nyg on April 06, 2026, 02:57:40 PMWhen things go bad it is always the injury excuse as one of the factors. Just this year, Owens surgery prior to freshman year, Ross wrist and shoulder, Tre's shoulder and of course Gold's shin splints from August, 2023, and then his late season, not early ankle and supposedly ribs. It's as if MU players get an injury and they never heal.
Shaka will get a bigman, just a matter of who and when. I still can't believe one of Clark and Hamilton have not entered portal, but it is early. One of them will be a three minute a half player, the other at end of bench. That of course if they both stay.
As far as this guard play issue, I must be missing something. What's the matter with the two redshirts, Nash and Militec? They now have one full year practicing with the team. Yeah, some will say, they are freshmen, but so were James and Stevens, but they had no one capable on bench, and that hurt. Can these guys play basketball as a decent guard to rest both starters? I am also convinced Shaka will bring in an experienced portal player, but are the two redshirts that bad.
As of now:
One competent bigman who can rebound, make shots within three feet of hoop and not commit two fouls in four minutes.
One experienced guard
One experienced wing, not having the vibes on Owens
Fun to begin.
Hamilton very likely to stay 🤮🤮
Clark 50/50 to leave
Quote from: panda on April 06, 2026, 03:49:01 PMHamilton very likely to stay 🤮🤮
Clark 50/50 to leave
As long has Hamilton is only seen in mop-up duty, he can stay. Not ideal, but a situation MU can deal with. I assume he doesn't cost much $, and funds can be used for impact players.
We absolutely need back court help this offseason. Even if Tre Norman planned on returning, we'd need at least one ballhandler. I think we need 2 guards (at least one of them capable at PG) and a big. We need reliable bench minutes for Nigel and Adrien or they will burn out quickly and possibly get injured. It'd be awesome if Nash Walker can give you 10 solid minutes with efficient shooting, but we'll need to replace Sean and Tre's production regardless.
I don't see why we'd need to add a SF or PF when we have DO, MPIII, Ian Miletic, Royce Parham, Alex Egbuonu, and Sheek Pearson all being able to play 3-4.
Where are we hearing that Caedin Hamilton is likely to stay and Clark is likely leaving? That's the far less preferable outcome
Quote from: panda on April 06, 2026, 03:49:01 PMHamilton very likely to stay 🤮🤮
Clark 50/50 to leave
I guess I don't understand why it is up to these guys whether they stay or go, and also why it is taking this long.
I think JB is right that not filling all openings immediately is smart, because who knows might happen later in the summer, but regardless it's odd that such decisions haven't been entirely made yet.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 06, 2026, 03:59:10 PMWe absolutely need back court help this offseason. Even if Tre Norman planned on returning, we'd need at least one ballhandler. I think we need 2 guards (at least one of them capable at PG) and a big. We need reliable bench minutes for Nigel and Adrien or they will burn out quickly and possibly get injured. It'd be awesome if Nash Walker can give you 10 solid minutes with efficient shooting, but we'll need to replace Sean and Tre's production regardless.
I don't see why we'd need to add a SF or PF when we have DO, MPIII, Ian Miletic, Royce Parham, Alex Egbuonu, and Sheek Pearson all being able to play 3-4.
Gird your loins for attack.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 04:01:46 PMGird your loins for attack.
Sounds like something Muggsy would write.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 06, 2026, 03:57:57 PMAs long has Hamilton is only seen in mop-up duty, he can stay. Not ideal, but a situation MU can deal with. I assume he doesn't cost much $, and funds can be used for impact players.
I agree; however, I continue to believe there is something weird b/w shaka and 18 and I worry shaka will keep making bizarre decisions if 18 is back.
#Carousel
MU just posted a practice highlight film with both Hamilton and Clark in it.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 06, 2026, 04:12:57 PMI agree; however, I continue to believe there is something weird b/w shaka and 18 and I worry shaka will keep making bizarre decisions if 18 is back.
#Carousel
I see your point. It will be very awkward/uncomfortable next season when/if 18 checks into a game. The "boos" will be pronounced.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 06, 2026, 04:31:47 PMI see your point. It will be very awkward/uncomfortable next season when/if 18 checks into a game. The "boos" will be pronounced.
No they won't.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 06, 2026, 04:12:57 PMI agree; however, I continue to believe there is something weird b/w shaka and 18 and I worry shaka will keep making bizarre decisions if 18 is back.
#Carousel
Sunk cost fallacy in action.
Terrence Brown 2 portal potty. Can't wait to see where he winds up. (Not MU... but could see a couple Big East schools who may check in).
The entire Tennessee women's team has hit the portal.
https://sports.yahoo.com/womens-college-basketball/article/tennessees-womens-basketball-team-no-longer-has-a-single-returning-player-on-its-roster-after-jaida-civil-enters-the-transfer-portal-202329761.html
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 06, 2026, 03:59:10 PMWe absolutely need back court help this offseason. Even if Tre Norman planned on returning, we'd need at least one ballhandler. I think we need 2 guards (at least one of them capable at PG) and a big. We need reliable bench minutes for Nigel and Adrien or they will burn out quickly and possibly get injured. It'd be awesome if Nash Walker can give you 10 solid minutes with efficient shooting, but we'll need to replace Sean and Tre's production regardless.
I don't see why we'd need to add a SF or PF when we have DO, MPIII, Ian Miletic, Royce Parham, Alex Egbuonu, and Sheek Pearson all being able to play 3-4.
Because one guy in this list is a proven contributor.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 02:24:25 PMHow many MU teams have made the tourney with good guard play and meh bigs?
How many MU teams have made the tournament with good bigs and meh guards?
To me, it couldn't be simpler.
Why are you still comparing historical Marquette teams? Literally look at the teams who are GOOD now. They all have great bigs.
So did Purdue with Edey. How DID UConn stop them with Edey going for 37?
Guard play. Smothering the Purdue guards.
You aren't wrong about quality bigs in the final 4. Which ones do you think MU can afford?
Low major guard, mid major guard, preferably seniors with size who can play either position. A mid major big, though I am open to 6'9 with similar skills to Royce who can play next to Royce.
If I were a betting man, Rubin or the equivalent.
Nobody else is leaving.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 06, 2026, 04:01:19 PMI guess I don't understand why it is up to these guys whether they stay or go, and also why it is taking this long.
I think JB is right that not filling all openings immediately is smart, because who knows might happen later in the summer, but regardless it's odd that such decisions haven't been entirely made yet.
It's not necessarily up to them. They love caedin's attitude and believe he can be a great locker room guy/practice player. Quite the opposite opinion on Clark. They want to make sure there's a spot available to fill if/when Clark leaves
The video on X that MUMark posted indicated that Josh is returning. And shooting 3s.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 06:27:35 PMThe video on X that MUMark posted indicated that Josh is returning. And shooting 3s.
Someone needs to take Ben's role as tall guy who stands around on the perimeter chucking.
7' SDSU F Magoon Gwath entering portal. Time for the teammates "It's Happening" GIF? 🦅
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 06, 2026, 06:35:40 PM7' SDSU F Magoon Gwath entering portal. Time for the teammates "It's Happening" GIF? 🦅
I was very impressed when I watched Gwath play. I'm guessing he's out of MU's price range.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 05:39:46 PMSo did Purdue with Edey. How DID UConn stop them with Edey going for 37?
Guard play. Smothering the Purdue guards.
You aren't wrong about quality bigs in the final 4. Which ones do you think MU can afford?
Low major guard, mid major guard, preferably seniors with size who can play either position. A mid major big, though I am open to 6'9 with similar skills to Royce who can play next to Royce.
If I were a betting man, Rubin or the equivalent.
Nobody else is leaving.
Royce got physically abused against Xavier. I really hope MU can get a big that can physically compete with inside power players in the BE.
I hope Royce continues to progress.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 06:51:13 PMI hope Royce continues to progress.
So when you say you want a big with similar skills to Royce, do you mean Royce now or a physically souped-up version of Royce that we haven't seen yet?
I will happily take a 6'9 4-5 who shows what Royce showed this past season. 12/5.
Again, I think it will be Rubin or the equivalent.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 05:39:46 PMLow major guard, mid major guard, preferably seniors with size who can play either position. A mid major big, though I am open to 6'9 with similar skills to Royce who can play next to Royce.
Why such low expectations? I think a mid-major big would make sense and I'm not expecting any star players, but I'll be surprised if Shaka doesn't bring in at least one player from another high-major.
Darryl Morsell was the 2021 Big Ten Defensive POY and Shaka got him from the portal.
Different time, different economics.
A whole lot of guys have wood for Minessale. Low major.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 07:14:27 PMDifferent time, different economics.
A whole lot of guys have wood for Minessale. Low major.
If a program like Marquette doesn't have the financial capacity to recruit a single player from a power conference, then God help us.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 06, 2026, 07:18:02 PMIf a program like Marquette doesn't have the financial capacity to recruit a single player from a power conference, then God help us.
I've only been thinking about 3 things since we got news Nigel, Royce, and Adrien will be back:
Badass 5
Badass 6'6 or taller switchable.
Badass combo or lead g that can drain threes.
Everything else doesn't concern me. Find them, get them on the roster, and bring MU back to being a major factor. Immediately.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 06, 2026, 07:18:02 PMIf a program like Marquette doesn't have the financial capacity to recruit a single player from a power conference, then God help us.
Rhetorical math in your head time. I don't care about your answers, I just want you to ponder the following.
What do you think MU's budget for players is?
By the way, this isn't personal. I don't think anyone here knows all of the numbers. I think some people have a pretty good idea on some of the numbers.
How much do you think they are paying NJ, AS, and Royce? Not what you would pay them, 26-27 market rate.
How much do you think they are paying the test of the returnees and freshmen? Again, not what you would pay them. Market rate.
Add it up and subtract it from what you think the budget is. The remainder is what they have to spend on transfers. (For me, that number is $4m-ish, but others math is likely different)
Look at all of the rumored asks of the high majors portal entrants. MU has 3 slots. How do you want to allocate that number you arrived at?
Again, I don't care what your number is. I assume it is different than mine and that is OK. All I really want you to do is ponder and contemplate.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 07:47:28 PMRhetorical math in your head time. I don't care about your answers, I just want you to ponder the following.
What do you think MU's budget for players is?
How much do you think they are paying NJ, AS, and Royce? Not what you would pay them, 26-27 market rate.
How much do you think they are paying the test of the returnees and freshmen? Again, not what you would pay them. Market rate.
Add it up and subtract it from what you think the budget is. The remainder is what they have to spend on transfers. (For me, that number is $4m-ish, but others math is likely different)
Look at all of the rumored asks of the m high majors portal entrants. MU has 3 slots. How do you want to allocate that number you arrived at?
Again, I don't care what your number is. I assume it is different than mine and that is OK. All I really want you to do is ponder and contemplate.
The way that I look at it is that MU was a 12-win team this season and was relatively bereft of talent. What does MU need to spend to be relevant? The current roster has three proven players.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 06, 2026, 07:51:58 PMThe way that I look at it is that MU was a 12-win team this season and was relatively bereft of talent. What does MU need to spend to be relevant? The current roster has three proven players.
Fine. How much do you think is available after paying the returnees and freshmen?
Allocate the funds appropriately.
My math tells me about 7mil to spend on 3 or 4 transfers. Thats enough to get some very nice players.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 05:39:46 PMSo did Purdue with Edey. How DID UConn stop them with Edey going for 37?
Guard play. Smothering the Purdue guards.
You aren't wrong about quality bigs in the final 4. Which ones do you think MU can afford?
Low major guard, mid major guard, preferably seniors with size who can play either position. A mid major big, though I am open to 6'9 with similar skills to Royce who can play next to Royce.
If I were a betting man, Rubin or the equivalent.
Nobody else is leaving.
Purdue with this year's Gold/Hamilton/Clark instead of that year's Edey/TKR are a first weekend exit. Purdue with this year's James/Stevens instead of Smith/Loyer is still playing in a National Title game.
That would be fun.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 06, 2026, 08:22:10 PMPurdue with this year's Gold/Hamilton/Clark instead of that year's Edey/TKR are a first weekend exit. Purdue with this year's James/Stevens instead of Smith/Loyer is still playing in a National Title game.
UConn staying in the game with back up guards. Get me some guard depth.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 08:25:05 PMUConn staying in the game with back up guards. Get me some guard depth.
Need a spot or two more to open up if you're looking for depth
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 08:25:05 PMUConn staying in the game with back up guards. Get me some guard depth.
They have more turnovers than assists right now. Karaban is playing great and they're winning on the boards.
Without their starting guards.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 08:33:05 PMWithout their starting guards.
Yeah, but a Michigan starter is playing hurt, so which excuse gets the advantage?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 06, 2026, 08:42:27 PMYeah, but a Michigan starter is playing hurt, so which excuse gets the advantage?
Whichever fits the agenda lol
Quote from: Pakuni on April 06, 2026, 08:42:27 PMYeah, but a Michigan starter is playing hurt, so which excuse gets the advantage?
So is a UConn starter. Push.
No time for facts Tower. The PPPers are in rare form tonight.
It has been a fascinating, entertaining day.
Friday: Christ has died.
Yesterday: Christ is risen.
Tonight at midnight: Christ has entered the portal.
South Carolina big man Christ Essandoko will enter the transfer portal, a source tells @247Sports.
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status/2041248859368620290?s=46&t=wj-kQtLCLPNb9xDTKbHRvQ
Quote from: wadesworld on April 06, 2026, 08:22:10 PMPurdue with this year's Gold/Hamilton/Clark instead of that year's Edey/TKR are a first weekend exit. Purdue with this year's James/Stevens instead of Smith/Loyer is still playing in a National Title game.
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 07:54:07 PMFine. How much do you think is available after paying the returnees and freshmen?
Allocate the funds appropriately.
Do you think MU can be competitive in the current environment if their largest spends are on players off a 12-win team? How much better can Nigel James play?
We will find out. 10 players returning.
And, hehehehehehe, NJ could possibly be a lot better with quality guard depth behind him allowing him to get some rest.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 06, 2026, 09:14:29 PMDo you think MU can be competitive in the current environment if their largest spends are on players off a 12-win team? How much better can Nigel James play?
He'll be much better with reinforcements ahd better players around him.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 06, 2026, 09:14:29 PMDo you think MU can be competitive in the current environment if their largest spends are on players off a 12-win team? How much better can Nigel James play?
Yes, Marquette can be competitive next year.
Hamilton should be paying us to be on the team....
Quote from: burger on April 06, 2026, 09:46:39 PMHamilton should be paying us to be on the team....
Scoop?
Is there a time the portal opens tomorrow or do I need to start refreshing at midnight?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 06, 2026, 09:14:29 PMDo you think MU can be competitive in the current environment if their largest spends are on players off a 12-win team? How much better can Nigel James play?
If those players are good (which they are), can still get better (which they can), and will have more talent around them (they should), then absolutely.
We'll see. If the highest spends have already occurred, I don't see much help coming from the portal on the front line where MU has a glaring problem unless Pearson is much better than expected
We don't have 10 players who are worth paying to return. Lose Hamilton and Clark and use the money in the portal
Quote from: onlyjoinedtoblockposts on April 06, 2026, 10:10:37 PMIs there a time the portal opens tomorrow or do I need to start refreshing at midnight?
I'm pretty sure the President said that Tuesday, 8pm EST was the start of Hiroshima II, so start checking then.
Quote from: JTJ3 on April 06, 2026, 08:21:50 PMMy math tells me about 7mil to spend on 3 or 4 transfers. Thats enough to get some very nice players.
lol. Supertramp had a great song, Dreamer.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 06, 2026, 09:14:29 PMDo you think MU can be competitive in the current environment if their largest spends are on players off a 12-win team? How much better can Nigel James play?
The gap is wide. Trust Shaka to narrow it with his recruiting prowess. The evidence is there: Hamilton, Clark,Tre, Zaide, Jones, Gold, etc.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 06, 2026, 11:47:20 PMlol. Supertramp had a great song, Dreamer.
15 mil budget
- 6 mil (Nigel, Parham, Stevens)
- 2 mil (every other returner plus recruit)
= 7 mil remaining
Quote from: tower912 on April 06, 2026, 12:03:55 PMNope. None of them won championships without someone getting them the ball.
MU history, what worked better, the midgets or Derrick Wilson intitiating offense to feed Gardner in the post?
Would this past season have gone better with better guards behind Chase, Adrien, and NJ?
So to be absolutely clear, yes, I fear going into the season with inadequate guard depth and subsequent injuries and fatigue more than I fear going into the season with Caedin, Josh, and Sheek.
This hill has a nice Swiss chalet on it with a great view of the valley. I am comfortable here.
I think you have said it before that your point is likely moot because they will do both anyway. I can't see a world where Shaka won't address both positions if he wants to win next year. And with the money they have already spent losing is not an option.
https://x.com/joetipton/status/2041493054272483826?s=46
https://x.com/kayserhoops/status/2041511305119494296?s=46
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 07, 2026, 09:47:02 AMhttps://x.com/joetipton/status/2041493054272483826?s=46
I thought this was illegal now.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 07, 2026, 09:47:22 AMhttps://x.com/kayserhoops/status/2041511305119494296?s=46
I said this last year, but Shaka recruited him his first summer here. But, not only did he get hurt, but rumor was he pretty much checked out after getting his big check.
Maybe he can get a lower level P5 program to bite, but this might be more of an MVC move.
Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2026, 10:45:29 AMI thought this was illegal bow.
Now. You're having a difficult spell this morning Tower.
Good paint abowt the executiff order though.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 07, 2026, 10:54:16 AMNow. You're having a difficult spell this morning Tower.
Good paint abowt the executiff order though.
I am. And 'your' or 'yore'.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 07, 2026, 10:54:40 AMIt's taco Tuesday.
Just had Taco John's $1.39 crispy beef tacos. Holy crap. Zero taste garbage. Flooded with hot sauce, but ... oofta, just awful.
Gavin Doty to Cuse
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 07, 2026, 11:45:35 AMJust had Taco John's $1.39 crispy beef tacos. Holy crap. Zero taste garbage. Flooded with hot sauce, but ... oofta, just awful.
And this surprises you ... why?
Eat real food, my friend.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 07, 2026, 11:45:35 AMJust had Taco John's $1.39 crispy beef tacos. Holy crap. Zero taste garbage. Flooded with hot sauce, but ... oofta, just awful.
Gotta go with the SuperTacoBravo from Taco John's. Duh.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 07, 2026, 11:47:34 AMGavin Doty to Cuse
So it begins (other than the grad transfers, which already began)
Gard always gets it done.
https://x.com/i/status/2041570705922240711
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 07, 2026, 12:43:53 PMGard always gets it done.
https://x.com/i/status/2041570705922240711
Huh. Can't wait to see Eric the Red's hot take on this
Off to Illinois?
https://www.instagram.com/p/DW2fb9BjW9U/?igsh=bzRsNWoyNWZpbHM1
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 07, 2026, 12:43:53 PMGard always gets it done.
https://x.com/i/status/2041570705922240711
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Excellent news!! He's the reason the Weasels beat Michigan.
Quote from: MuMark on April 07, 2026, 08:09:14 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/p/DW2fb9BjW9U/?igsh=bzRsNWoyNWZpbHM1
I love a good Rubin
Stealing my lines.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 08, 2026, 07:53:26 AMSauerkraut grapes?
Now you are just Rubin it in.
Still, there should be a slaw against it.
Oswin off the board to Creighton.
Mike Nwoko to X.
And X signed Nwoko from LSU --- 6'10" 265 PF --- 4th school in 4 years
Just further shows our need for BIG
Some dude on Twitter claims MU is looking into this kid:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5312338/eric-dibami
Would follow his old coach over to MU. I can't speak to the validity of this but I'm kind of hoping for MU to make a splash for a proven high-major big. I know MU could have a hard time outbidding for Sananda Fru or Oswin, but I a "sure thing" is what's needed. That said, this kid could be awesome judging by the highlights.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 08, 2026, 08:46:13 AMSome dude on Twitter claims MU is looking into this kid:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5312338/eric-dibami
Would follow his old coach over to MU. I can't speak to the validity of this but I'm kind of hoping for MU to make a splash for a proven high-major big. I know MU could have a hard time outbidding for Sananda Fru or Oswin, but I a "sure thing" is what's needed. That said, this kid could be awesome judging by the highlights.
If we bring in Dibami, it should only be as a Caedin/Josh replacement. If he's our top center target something went horrifically wrong.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 08, 2026, 08:46:13 AMSome dude on Twitter claims MU is looking into this kid:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5312338/eric-dibami
Would follow his old coach over to MU. I can't speak to the validity of this but I'm kind of hoping for MU to make a splash for a proven high-major big. I know MU could have a hard time outbidding for Sananda Fru or Oswin, but I a "sure thing" is what's needed. That said, this kid could be awesome judging by the highlights.
He would be an upgrade over Hamilton and Clark, but if MU lands Dibami then I hope that means either Hamilton or Clark departs so MU can add a senior big and two perimeter players.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 08, 2026, 08:56:23 AMIf we bring in Dibami, it should only be as a Caedin/Josh replacement. If he's our top center target something went horrifically wrong.
I think he would be better than Caedin, but I don't want to bank on a center "breaking out" and being burned for the third time in three years (you could argue Ben Gold failed to do that in 24-25 season). CUSA to the Big East is a sizable jump and I'm still hoping for a junior/senior big that's played in big games and ideally the NCAA tournament.
An "ED" solution!
Better hope those offseason workouts are productive and make sure there is guard depth.
Quote from: tower912 on April 08, 2026, 09:26:50 AMBetter hope those offseason workouts are productive and make sure there is guard depth.
Or, make sure the offseason workouts are productive, add a proven starting 5 with one year of eligibility, and guard depth.
(Personally, I still think a starting wing is needed).
Wonder what our connection is to Khamenia. Looks like his dad coached Hamilton in high school? If that connection helps us get him, then all talk of Hamilton potentially leaving should cease immediately. Huge long shot though I'm sure.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2023/08/11/what-to-know-marquette-basketball-newcomer-caedin-hamilton-played-high-school-in-california/70565484007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z115854e1106xxv115854d--64--b--64--&gca-ft=175&gca-ds=sophi&gnt-djm=1
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 08, 2026, 08:46:13 AMSome dude on Twitter claims MU is looking into this kid:
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/5312338/eric-dibami
Would follow his old coach over to MU. I can't speak to the validity of this but I'm kind of hoping for MU to make a splash for a proven high-major big. I know MU could have a hard time outbidding for Sananda Fru or Oswin, but I a "sure thing" is what's needed. That said, this kid could be awesome judging by the highlights.
The guy on twitter has 4 followers........not saying he's making stuff up but.....
https://x.com/ddrutherfordd/status/2041695105107542483?s=61
https://x.com/franfraschilla/status/2041884377416937513?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on April 08, 2026, 10:04:11 AMThe guy on twitter has 4 followers........not saying he's making stuff up but.....
https://x.com/ddrutherfordd/status/2041695105107542483?s=61
He just posted again.
Seems like we were mentioned in an article for a 7'3" center.
https://x.com/i/status/2041906937671954802
New name......per ON 3
Saint Mary's center Drew McKeever officially entered the transfer portal on Tuesday with two years of eligibility remaining. The redshirt sophomore has started to receive significant high-major interest.
Sources have told On3 that Arizona State, Cincinnati, Iowa, Marquette, Ole Miss, Purdue and UConn have begun showing real interest, and calls are scheduled in the upcoming days. Michigan is also in the mix, but any notable conversations are delayed at this point as the Wolverines come off their national title win
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 08, 2026, 10:54:43 AMHe just posted again.
Seems like we were mentioned in an article for a 7'3" center.
https://x.com/i/status/2041906937671954802
And his account no longer exists lol
Probably best not to get excited about twitter randos during this process. It's less reliable than the NY Post.
Quote from: MuMark on April 08, 2026, 10:59:25 AMNew name......per ON 3
Saint Mary's center Drew McKeever officially entered the transfer portal on Tuesday with two years of eligibility remaining. The redshirt sophomore has started to receive significant high-major interest.
Sources have told On3 that Arizona State, Cincinnati, Iowa, Marquette, Ole Miss, Purdue and UConn have begun showing real interest, and calls are scheduled in the upcoming days. Michigan is also in the mix, but any notable conversations are delayed at this point as the Wolverines come off their national title win
McKeever would be a great get, but some serious competition there and I've been assured that we won't get into a bidding war for top talent.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2026, 11:59:20 AMMcKeever would be a great get, but some serious competition there and I've been assured that we won't get into a bidding war for top talent.
Arizona St is the largest competitor here because of Randy Bennett obviously. After that it is really only Purdue. I can't see him going to UConn to play behind Reibe. Unless they have other plans for Reibe in Storrs.
Don't think this would be an unrealistic get for us, but also might not be our #1 choice either.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2026, 11:59:20 AMMcKeever would be a great get, but some serious competition there and I've been assured that we won't get into a bidding war for top talent.
It isn't they won't get in a bidding war, I'm not entirely sure they can win a bidding war.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 08, 2026, 12:30:20 PMIt isn't they won't get in a bidding war, I'm not entirely sure they can win a bidding war.
Then fold the program. Acquiring talent in the current market requires winning bidding wars. Or recruiting kids no other decent program wants.
I choose to believe Marquette is not a poverty program.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 08, 2026, 12:30:20 PMIt isn't they won't get in a bidding war, I'm not entirely sure they can win a bidding war.
Have they tried yelling "YEEEEEEEEEEWWWWP" really loudly like in Storage Wars?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2026, 12:39:15 PMThen fold the program. Acquiring talent in the current market requires winning bidding wars. Or recruiting kids no other decent program wants.
I choose to believe Marquette is not a poverty program.
If Creighton can land Oswin, you'd have to hope MU can at least land a comparable player.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2026, 12:39:15 PMThen fold the program. Acquiring talent in the current market requires winning bidding wars. Or recruiting kids no other decent program wants.
I choose to believe Marquette is not a poverty program.
It isn't. But the funds aren't unlimited like other places. I'm just being a realist here.
I'm lukewarm on McKeever. His biggest strength is elite rebounding (19.7% OR, 25.5% DR).
His 4.0 blk% is ok but not great for someone that's 7-2. Plus, McKeever only shot 57% at the rim and his eFG was only 50.7%. Neither are great for a 7-2 C.
He also looks a bit slow on video. Not the typical athletic big Shaka usually goes for. Would require Shaka to adjust his defensive system.
BPR +3.81 (#458 nationally)
Overall: Could be a solid starter, and would certainly upgrade MU's rebounding, but doesn't offer as much rim protection or scoring efficiency as I'd like in such a massive C. I also have some concerns about how well he fits Shaka's system. MU could certainly do worse, but there's a handful of other big men I would prefer.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 08, 2026, 12:44:11 PMIt isn't. But the funds aren't unlimited like other places. I'm just being a realist here.
Funds aren't unlimited anywhere, and certainly not at programs MU is competing for talent against. Nobody is expecting MU to outbid Kentucky or Duke. But if we can't hang with the Arizona States and Creightons of of the world ...
Does MU have less money than some programs? Of course. Does that mean MU has to be a little smarter and more strategic in how it spends than some programs? Obviously. But if you're not willing/able to outspend other programs for some players, then there's really no point in pretending you have any interest in fielding a competitive team.
I think it is safe to say that we ARE going to get in bidding wars...just not for the top talent. I think we can definitely win bidding wars for that next tier, and that would likely be fine. As we have seen with free agency before, it oftentimes doesn't work out.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 08, 2026, 12:43:56 PMIf Creighton can land Oswin, you'd have to hope MU can at least land a comparable player.
This. And this:
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2026, 12:54:36 PMFunds aren't unlimited anywhere, and certainly not at programs MU is competing for talent against. Nobody is expecting MU to outbid Kentucky or Duke. But if we can't hang with the Arizona States and Creightons of of the world ...
Does MU have less money than some programs? Of course. Does that mean MU has to be a little smarter and more strategic in how it spends than some programs? Obviously. But if you're not willing/able to outspend other programs for some players, then there's really no point in pretending you have any interest in fielding a competitive team.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2026, 12:39:15 PMThen fold the program. Acquiring talent in the current market requires winning bidding wars. Or recruiting kids no other decent program wants.
I choose to believe Marquette is not a poverty program.
Marquette can win bidding wars. It cannot win every bidding war.
I also think there's a difference between:
"I'm bought into Marquette and your vision for me, but this other program is offering me $500K more. That's generational money, I can't ignore that. Is there anything you can do to enable me to pick Marquette?"
And
"I'm going with whoever gives me the most full stop. I don't care about anything else."
If MU winning the bidding war is the only reason you're interested, I don't think Shaka is offering the scholarship. And that's not a moral judgement. I don't think there's anything wrong with going with the best offer. But I think Shaka's style requires a level of buy in beyond a financial one.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 08, 2026, 12:43:56 PMIf Creighton can land Oswin, you'd have to hope MU can at least land a comparable player.
I think we can land a comparable player.
However, Creighton has some stupid money. They are more well funded than you would expect for that level of a program.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 08, 2026, 01:01:43 PMMarquette can win bidding wars. It cannot win every bidding war.
I also think there's a difference between:
"I'm bought into Marquette and your vision for me, but this other program is offering me $500K more. That's generational money, I can't ignore that. Is there anything you can do to enable me to pick Marquette?"
And
"I'm going with whoever gives me the most full stop. I don't care about anything else."
If MU winning the bidding war is the only reason you're interested, I don't think Shaka is offering the scholarship. And that's not a moral judgement. I don't think there's anything wrong with going with the best offer. But I think Shaka's style requires a level of buy in beyond a financial one.
I have read two articles in the last two days about coaches from extremely successful, big-conference, big-budget schools saying similar to your last paragraph. (One of them being Dusty May.) Although their programs can afford even the highest-priced talent, they will not take guys who come across as being mostly about the money. May talked about "fit" and "culture" the exact same way Shaka does.
I think people are underrating how deep Creighton's NIL bag is. Heck, it was deep before it was legal to pay players.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 08, 2026, 01:15:08 PMI think people are underrating how deep Creighton's NIL bag is. Heck, it was deep before it was legal to pay players.
Just to make sure I understand, MU cannot compete financially with UConn. SJU, or Creighton. Are there any other BE teams we should add to the list? It seems we should be setting expectations on the resources available.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 08, 2026, 01:26:25 PMJust to make sure I understand, MU cannot compete financially with UConn. SJU, or Creighton. Are there any other BE teams we should add to the list? It seems we should be setting expectations on the resources available.
No.
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 08, 2026, 09:48:57 AMWonder what our connection is to Khamenia. Looks like his dad coached Hamilton in high school? If that connection helps us get him, then all talk of Hamilton potentially leaving should cease immediately. Huge long shot though I'm sure.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2023/08/11/what-to-know-marquette-basketball-newcomer-caedin-hamilton-played-high-school-in-california/70565484007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z115854e1106xxv115854d--64--b--64--&gca-ft=175&gca-ds=sophi&gnt-djm=1
Hamilton & Khamenia both played AAU for BTI. I've heard reports they are good friends.
I'd probably rank Khamenia as my #1 player in the portal because there simply aren't many 6'8" wings that defend, shoot, and produce like he can. There are at least 5-6 bigs that would fit well, I'm not sure there's another wing that would fit us like he does. If Hamilton can play any part in getting him here, then his scholarship is earned.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2026, 12:39:15 PMThen fold the program. Acquiring talent in the current market requires winning bidding wars. Or recruiting kids no other decent program wants.
I choose to believe Marquette is not a poverty program.
Everything done so far in the face of the transfer portal seems to suggest Marquette is a poverty program.
I dont think Shaka was ever so dumb to truly believe that the rgv crap would work.
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 08, 2026, 09:48:57 AMWonder what our connection is to Khamenia. Looks like his dad coached Hamilton in high school? If that connection helps us get him, then all talk of Hamilton potentially leaving should cease immediately. Huge long shot though I'm sure.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2023/08/11/what-to-know-marquette-basketball-newcomer-caedin-hamilton-played-high-school-in-california/70565484007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z115854e1106xxv115854d--64--b--64--&gca-ft=175&gca-ds=sophi&gnt-djm=1
Lol, Hamilton absolutely should be gone.
If MU can't compete with UCOnn , SJU etc
financially, then they can't compete whatsoever. Adapt ( and raise the $ )
or Die...
I've been told by two people close to the program that MU will have 15 million to spend..
Resources need to be allocated.........Creighton chose to spend a large amount of money on Oswin.....that likely means they will have less money to pay someone else.......just because Creighton got the guy doesn't mean we can't compete with them for a prospect......it might just mean that our evaluation is that we can get a better or comparable player for less money leaving more money available for other spots.
" fold the program " lol
People really need to relax........if this going to be the reaction every time a guy we show interest in goes to a comparable school?
We have less money than some and more than others.............shocking........
UW couldn't keep Blackwell ......or Hepburn......AJ Stoor left for the bag.....Kansas didn't feel satisfied in the bargain and they ended up with a better player for far less money...........Creighton lost Nemhardt to Gonzaga but signed Ashworth.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 08, 2026, 01:38:32 PMHamilton & Khamenia both played AAU for BTI. I've heard reports they are good friends.
I'd probably rank Khamenia as my #1 player in the portal because there simply aren't many 6'8" wings that defend, shoot, and produce like he can. There are at least 5-6 bigs that would fit well, I'm not sure there's another wing that would fit us like he does. If Hamilton can play any part in getting him here, then his scholarship is earned.
11D Chess
Quote from: Mu8891 on April 08, 2026, 01:45:39 PMIf MU can't compete with UCOnn , SJU etc
financially, then they can't compete whatsoever. Adapt ( and raise the $ )
or Die...
I've been told by two people close to the program that MU will have 15 million to spend..
Then die......see you on the other side........I'll enjoy next season when it gets here.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 01:44:12 PMEverything done so far in the face of the transfer portal seems to suggest Marquette is a poverty program.
I dont think Shaka was ever so dumb to truly believe that the rgv crap would work.
::)
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 08, 2026, 01:38:32 PMHamilton & Khamenia both played AAU for BTI. I've heard reports they are good friends.
I'd probably rank Khamenia as my #1 player in the portal because there simply aren't many 6'8" wings that defend, shoot, and produce like he can. There are at least 5-6 bigs that would fit well, I'm not sure there's another wing that would fit us like he does. If Hamilton can play any part in getting him here, then his scholarship is earned.
Khamenia is my top portal want as well. I also think he can make a huge jump in production next year if he is here. Shaka's defense style. Shoots well. High-level passer (ball handler to let NJ be off-ball or when he's getting a breather). Super intelligent player. An asset for anyone, but would love to see him here.
I had no idea he had a connection with CH. Would be great to leverage that to get him here.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 01:44:12 PMEverything done so far in the face of the transfer portal seems to suggest Marquette is a poverty program.
They retained their three top returning players, including the Big East freshman of the year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 08, 2026, 01:38:32 PMHamilton & Khamenia both played AAU for BTI. I've heard reports they are good friends.
I'd probably rank Khamenia as my #1 player in the portal because there simply aren't many 6'8" wings that defend, shoot, and produce like he can. There are at least 5-6 bigs that would fit well, I'm not sure there's another wing that would fit us like he does. If Hamilton can play any part in getting him here, then his scholarship is earned.
We finally found a use for Caedin. Trust the process.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 08, 2026, 01:01:43 PMMarquette can win bidding wars. It cannot win every bidding war.
I also think there's a difference between:
"I'm bought into Marquette and your vision for me, but this other program is offering me $500K more. That's generational money, I can't ignore that. Is there anything you can do to enable me to pick Marquette?"
And
"I'm going with whoever gives me the most full stop. I don't care about anything else."
If MU winning the bidding war is the only reason you're interested, I don't think Shaka is offering the scholarship. And that's not a moral judgement. I don't think there's anything wrong with going with the best offer. But I think Shaka's style requires a level of buy in beyond a financial one.
Yeah, I don't disagree with any of this.
My point is, MU will have to make players offers, and those offers will have to be better than what other programs are offering or we're not likely getting those players.
Sometimes MU will have to walk away from a kid if the bidding gets too high. Sometimes MU will have to up its bid.
Interesting... Al Amadou is in the portal...
Keep expecting to see Josh pop up when I refresh and then I see Al
Wish him well - very high energy guy
Quote from: MuMark on April 08, 2026, 01:46:35 PMResources need to be allocated.........Creighton chose to spend a large amount of money on Oswin.....that likely means they will have less money to pay someone else......
Why? Are they up against their $23M+ cap?
Quote from: tsciii on April 08, 2026, 01:56:21 PMInteresting... Al Amadou is in the portal...
Keep expecting to see Josh pop up when I refresh and then I see Al
Wish him well - very high energy guy
But not a good at basketball guy. He played in less games for St. Joe's than he did for Marquette.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 08, 2026, 01:48:36 PMKhamenia is my top portal want as well. I also think he can make a huge jump in production next year if he is here. Shaka's defense style. Shoots well. High-level passer (ball handler to let NJ be off-ball or when he's getting a breather). Super intelligent player. An asset for anyone, but would love to see him here.
I had no idea he had a connection with CH. Would be great to leverage that to get him here.
He's a good player and I'd love if we brought him in, but don't count on him being a playmaker or shooter. 34% on 103 attempts is pretty pedestrian. His strengths appear to be slashing and defending, which sound great for us.
Paint touches posted this site recently and I find it really useful to get a broad sense of a player's strength and weaknesses: https://collegebasketballportal.com/
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 08, 2026, 01:58:13 PMWhy? Are they up against their $23M+ cap?
Because every organization allocates resources........even the richest companies in the world.
But you know this..........
Quote from: MuMark on April 08, 2026, 01:46:35 PMResources need to be allocated.........Creighton chose to spend a large amount of money on Oswin.....that likely means they will have less money to pay someone else.......just because Creighton got the guy doesn't mean we can't compete with them for a prospect......it might just mean that our evaluation is that we can't compete get a better or comparable player for less money leaving more money available for other spots.
" fold the program " lol
People really need to relax........if this going to be the reaction every time a guy we show interest in goes to a comparable school?
We have less money than some and more than others.............shocking........
UW couldn't keep Blackwell ......or Hepburn......AJ Stoor left for the bag.....Kansas didn't feel satisfied in the bargain and they ended up with a better player for far less money...........Creighton lost Nemhardt to Gonzaga but signed Ashworth.
Fold it and go D3 or match Willie's yearly donations
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 01:44:12 PMEverything done so far in the face of the transfer portal seems to suggest Marquette is a poverty program.
I dont think Shaka was ever so dumb to truly believe that the rgv crap would work.
This is really stupid.
Shaka hasn't lost ONE player worth keeping in his entire tenure at Marquette: that includes 4 NBA players, 2 All-Americans, BE POY, BE ROY, BE 6MOY. Nigel could have topped the entire portal market if he entered, but he was quite literally the first notable high major player who announced he was returning to his current school. Sounds like he got ~$3M, could have easily doubled that if he portaled.
Now, where I will agree is it felt like RGV became in part synonymous with an unearned commitment to players we recruited from high school - Tre Norman, Sean Jones, Caedin Hamilton, Al Amadou, Ben Gold and Chase Ross taking on much larger roles than their talent warranted. But to say "I don't think Shaka was ever so dumb to truly believe that the RGV crap would work" is nonsensical - it clearly works. Just now it's working with good players and not bad players.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 08, 2026, 01:03:10 PMI think we can land a comparable player.
However, Creighton has some stupid money. They are more well funded than you would expect for that level of a program.
From all I've heard, we're in better NIL shape than Creighton. The $15M figure has been thrown around by a lot of people (myself included) whereas it sounds like Creighton is more $8M-$10M. I'm A OK with missing on Oswin because I think there are better options out there for us.
Quote from: onepost on April 08, 2026, 02:14:32 PMThis is really stupid.
Shaka hasn't lost ONE player worth keeping in his entire tenure at Marquette: that includes 4 NBA players, 2 All-Americans, BE POY, BE ROY, BE 6MOY. Nigel could have topped the entire portal market if he entered, but he was quite literally the first notable high major player who announced he was returning to his current school. Sounds like he got ~$3M, could have easily doubled that if he portaled.
Now, where I will agree is it felt like RGV became in part synonymous with an unearned commitment to players we recruited from high school - Tre Norman, Sean Jones, Caedin Hamilton, Al Amadou, Ben Gold and Chase Ross taking on much larger roles than their talent warranted. But to say "I don't think Shaka was ever so dumb to truly believe that the RGV crap would work" is nonsensical - it clearly works. Just now it's working with good players and not bad players.
I think you're confused by what I'm saying.
The portal and nil has only existed in its current form for a year and a half.
So anything before that DOES NOT MATTER. PERIOD.
In that time Shaka has chosen to grab a transfer exactly zero times. This was someone who used the transfer portal to large success in his first few years at Marquette.
So either Shaka is dumb, and went away from what made him successful at Marquette, OR Marquette has had difficulty lining up funds for NIl.
Im leaning on the side of Shaka NOT being dumb.
Quote from: onepost on April 08, 2026, 02:14:32 PMThis is really stupid.
Shaka hasn't lost ONE player worth keeping in his entire tenure at Marquette: that includes 4 NBA players, 2 All-Americans, BE POY, BE ROY, BE 6MOY. Nigel could have topped the entire portal market if he entered, but he was quite literally the first notable high major player who announced he was returning to his current school. Sounds like he got ~$3M, could have easily doubled that if he portaled.
Now, where I will agree is it felt like RGV became in part synonymous with an unearned commitment to players we recruited from high school - Tre Norman, Sean Jones, Caedin Hamilton, Al Amadou, Ben Gold and Chase Ross taking on much larger roles than their talent warranted. But to say "I don't think Shaka was ever so dumb to truly believe that the RGV crap would work" is nonsensical - it clearly works. Just now it's working with good players and not bad players.
Oh secondly..... Nigel is absolutely not the top of the transfer portal. Holy christ.
Quote from: onepost on April 08, 2026, 02:16:22 PMFrom all I've heard, we're in better NIL shape than Creighton. The $15M figure has been thrown around by a lot of people (myself included) whereas it sounds like Creighton is more $8M-$10M. I'm A OK with missing on Oswin because I think there are better options out there for us.
Where's the 15m (per year) coming from? Wisconsin is trying to get it from public funding. That's not possible for Marquette. So where is it coming from? And how will they pony up 15m per year?
It's amazing no one has answered that yet.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 08, 2026, 01:51:44 PMThey retained their three top returning players, including the Big East freshman of the year.
So they spent money on Nigel. We neither know how much, or how much is remaining.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:24:41 PMOh secondly..... Nigel is absolutely not the top of the transfer portal. Holy christ.
I said
could have topped the market. He and John Blackwell were the most tampered with players all season and a high major ROY PG with his stats who still has 3 years of eligibility would ABSOLUTELY be in the realm for that title, per people who know much more than me. Sure he may not make what Flory Bidunga makes, but I guarantee he'd be one of the top earners.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:23:46 PMI think you're confused by what I'm saying.
The portal and nil has only existed in its current form for a year and a half.
So anything before that DOES NOT MATTER. PERIOD.
In that time Shaka has chosen to grab a transfer exactly zero times. This was someone who used the transfer portal to large success in his first few years at Marquette.
So either Shaka is dumb, and went away from what made him successful at Marquette, OR Marquette has had difficulty lining up funds for NIl.
Im leaning on the side of Shaka NOT being dumb.
Your "either-or" scenario is laughable.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:27:01 PMWhere's the 15m (per year) coming from? Wisconsin is trying to get it from public funding. That's not possible for Marquette. So where is it coming from? And how will they pony up 15m per year?
It's amazing no one has answered that yet.
Marquette has always had wealthy donors like Dick Strong, Todd Adams. Guys who personally buy out Wojo or offer to put up as much money as it would take for Tyler Kolek to come back (he opted to go to the NBA). For all his faults, Lord knows I'm no fan of his, Broeker has done a great job of landing 6-figure donations that have amounted to a very healthy NIL pot.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 08, 2026, 02:29:30 PMYour "either-or" scenario is laughable.
Sure. So instead of Shaka being dumb, or Marquette struggling in NIL..
What is it?
Did Shaka truly believe that Gold started hitting 3s? Or that Hamilton was truly starting material in the big east? The same Shaka who year after year put out very competitive Marquette teams, suddenly stops being able to evaluate what's missing on his bench?
What happened? You give me a scenario on why the past two years have had bad depth.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:23:46 PMI think you're confused by what I'm saying.
The portal and nil has only existed in its current form for a year and a half.
So anything before that DOES NOT MATTER. PERIOD.
In that time Shaka has chosen to grab a transfer exactly zero times. This was someone who used the transfer portal to large success in his first few years at Marquette.
So either Shaka is dumb, and went away from what made him successful at Marquette, OR Marquette has had difficulty lining up funds for NIl.
Im leaning on the side of Shaka NOT being dumb.
Where are you getting this? It was reported many places that Shaka made the decision not to persue transfers and used NIL money to retain. In fact, it was said that donors were lined up to help with the transfer portal last year, but Shaka wanted to use the money for retention. There simply is little evidence to suggest that Marquette is a "poverty program" when it comes to the portal.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:27:01 PMWhere's the 15m (per year) coming from? Wisconsin is trying to get it from public funding. That's not possible for Marquette. So where is it coming from? And how will they pony up 15m per year?
It's amazing no one has answered that yet.
Everything I have heard is that it is a mix of institutional and donor funds. But multiple people have heard the $15M figure.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:27:51 PMSo they spent money on Nigel. We neither know how much, or how much is remaining.
No we don't. But you're the one who's leaping to conclusions anyway.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:33:45 PMSure. So instead of Shaka being dumb, or Marquette struggling in NIL..
What is it?
Did Shaka truly believe that Gold started hitting 3s? Or that Hamilton was truly starting material in the big east? The same Shaka who year after year put out very competitive Marquette teams, suddenly stops being able to evaluate what's missing on his bench?
What happened? You give me a scenario on why the past two years have had bad depth.
The simple answer is that he believed in growth and developement. HE SAID SO HIMSELF!!!
Why is this so hard for you?
Quote from: onepost on April 08, 2026, 02:31:46 PMMarquette has always had wealthy donors like Dick Strong, Todd Adams. Guys who personally buy out Wojo or offer to put up as much money as it would take for Tyler Kolek to come back (he opted to go to the NBA). For all his faults, Lord knows I'm no fan of his, Broeker has done a great job of landing 6-figure donations that have amounted to a very healthy NIL pot.
The biggest thing everyone brings up is buying out wojos contract. The reported buyout was over 10 million, and was not paid all at once, but over the course of 4 years.
That makes us know a couple of things. Marquette did NOT have the funds to do this themselves and that multiple donors were willing to pay a one time buy out fee of around 10 million.
Keyword being a one time payment.
But but but.... if there truly was a 15m per year honeypot hanging around... Then Shaka ignored it for two years. Which is dumb.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:33:45 PMSure. So instead of Shaka being dumb, or Marquette struggling in NIL..
What is it?
Did Shaka truly believe that Gold started hitting 3s? Or that Hamilton was truly starting material in the big east? The same Shaka who year after year put out very competitive Marquette teams, suddenly stops being able to evaluate what's missing on his bench?
What happened? You give me a scenario on why the past two years have had bad depth.
As already stated, he used resources to retain and wanted to focus on development. He's stated multiple times what his philosophy was.
Depth wasn't good enough because the talent wasn't good enough.
Sometimes you have to get slapped in the face and hit the bottom to realize your approach isn't sustainable anymore. That's what happened and Shaka is pivoting.
I don't have any direct inside knowledge or connections but from what I've heard resources are not a constraint.
Shaka is not dumb. If anything, he was probably too prideful and got a little high on his own supply after back-to-back 2 seeds.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 08, 2026, 02:40:38 PMAs already stated, he used resources to retain and wanted to focus on development. He's stated multiple times what his philosophy was.
Depth wasn't good enough because the talent wasn't good enough.
Sometimes you have to get slapped in the face and hit the bottom to realize your approach isn't sustainable anymore. That's what happened and Shaka is pivoting.
I don't have any direct inside knowledge or connections but from what I've heard resources are not a constraint.
Shaka is not dumb. If anything, he was probably too prideful and got a little high on his own supply after back-to-back 2 seeds.
His back to back 2 seeds were largely done via transfers or inherited players.
I go back to my thing of, Shaka isn't dumb. Therefore theres a reason he went full into RGV.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:38:19 PMThe biggest thing everyone brings up is buying out wojos contract. The reported buyout was over 10 million, and was not paid all at once, but over the course of 4 years.
That makes us know a couple of things. Marquette did NOT have the funds to do this themselves and that multiple donors were willing to pay a one time buy out fee of around 10 million.
Keyword being a one time payment.
But but but.... if there truly was a 15m per year honeypot hanging around... Then Shaka ignored it for two years. Which is dumb.
Is this a Ners, Chicos, Mike Deane burner account?
Why does this kind of ranting sound so familiar?
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:42:32 PMHis back to back 2 seeds were largely done via transfers or inherited players.
I go back to my thing of, Shaka isn't dumb. Therefore theres a reason he went full into RGV.
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Quote from: MuMark on April 08, 2026, 01:46:35 PMPeople really need to relax........if this going to be the reaction every time a guy we show interest in goes to a comparable school?
We have less money than some and more than others.............shocking........
UW couldn't keep Blackwell ......or Hepburn......AJ Stoor left for the bag.....Kansas didn't feel satisfied in the bargain and they ended up with a better player for far less money...........Creighton lost Nemhardt to Gonzaga but signed Ashworth.
I'm worried about some Scoopers. This early in the process, and so many are on the ledge. I appreciate your rational comments and those of a few others.
Quote from: onepost on April 08, 2026, 02:42:45 PMIs this a Ners, Chicos, Mike Deane burner account?
Why does this kind of ranting sound so familiar?
No this is typical #Unleash. He comes to ridiculous conclusions based on limited information all the time. His brain can't seem to logically process information.
Quote from: onepost on April 08, 2026, 02:42:45 PMIs this a Ners, Chicos, Mike Deane burner account?
Why does this kind of ranting sound so familiar?
Lol. Why dont you answer the question instead of deflecting?
I'll make it simple for you, a two parter.
Where is this 15m a year honeypot, and why has Shaka refused to use it?
Unless your thinking we paid all 15m out for a 12-20 team. In which case, Shaka be dumb?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 08, 2026, 02:45:19 PMNo this is typical #Unleash. He comes to ridiculous conclusions based on limited information all the time. His brain can't seem to logically process information.
Oh Sultan, you know nothing of ball. Go clutch your pearls about Gen Z drinking habits in the dorm.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:46:43 PMOh Sultan, you know nothing of ball. Go clutch your pearls about Gen Z drinking habits in the dorm.
Ah yes. Another thing you drew a wildly wrong conclusion about! I forgot about that one.
So, onepost, his illogical thoughts are about more than simply basketball.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:45:49 PMWhere is this 15m a year honeypot, and why has Shaka refused to use it?
Unless your thinking we paid all 15m out for a 12-20 team. In which case, Shaka be dumb?
Who claimed $15 million was available last year?
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:45:49 PMLol. Why dont you answer the question instead of deflecting?
I'll make it simple for you, a two parter.
Where is this 15m a year honeypot, and why has Shaka refused to use it?
Unless your thinking we paid all 15m out for a 12-20 team. In which case, Shaka be dumb?
I've already said I have no idea what NIL pools we've had in the past. Someone like BrewCity would be the one to ask.
My best guess is Shaka felt like he could routinely trot out great teams based on development of high school recruits and after missing on 2 straight classes it was clear that wasn't the case.
My well-documented frustrations in November/December stemmed from what I perceived as his pride in zagging and stubbornness in admitting his way wasn't working. Clearly he's admitted his way wasn't working so here we are utilizing the portal.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 08, 2026, 02:36:20 PMThe simple answer is that he believed in growth and developement. HE SAID SO HIMSELF!!!
Why is this so hard for you?
So....
Shaka walked into the gym in June of 2025, looked around and said "We're going to win the big east with this team"? No chance.
For a board who fully believes in lots of dumb rumors, letters, head coaches not flushing the toilet, etc. Is it truly that WILD that Shaka deemed there wasn't enough NIL money to compete in the transfer portal, and instead went full RGV? He really decided he'd love to pay Ben Cant buy a bucket Gold 3 million because hes loyal? That Hamilton would truly become a starter in the big east?
Ok.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 08, 2026, 02:51:24 PMWho claimed $15 million was available last year?
So it wasn't available last year? But now it is?
Wouldn't that help my argument of RGV was caused by a lack of funds?
These pretzels are making me thirsty
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:45:49 PMLol. Why dont you answer the question instead of deflecting?
Multiple people have answered your questions.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 08, 2026, 03:04:52 PMMultiple people have answered your questions.
Fantastic. Onepost hasnt.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 03:06:00 PMFantastic. Onepost hasnt.
What questions are you left needing answers to?
So are we getting Cameron Boozer or no?
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:57:01 PMSo it wasn't available last year? But now it is?
Wouldn't that help my argument of RGV was caused by a lack of funds?
It wasn't available last year, but there was more money available last year than what was spent.
RGV last year was a choice to not go into the portal with the money on hand and instead bank on what he had. They clearly believed Caedin was a Big East starter. I suspect that's because he was great in practice, but great in practice against Josh & reclass freshman Sheek probably isn't worth as much as the staff thought it was.
Bottom line, Shaka over estimated the talent he had last year. Now we will see what kind of salesman he is in selling his culture. I just saw a preseason poll that MU was 9th seeded in the conference. That pundit was not impressed with the talent he has coming back.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 08, 2026, 03:42:10 PMBottom line, Shaka over estimated the talent he had last year. Now we will see what kind of salesman he is in selling his culture. I just saw a preseason poll that MU was 9th seeded in the conference. That pundit was not impressed with the talent he has coming back.
That guy must have a crystal ball or be a seer. Does he have a 1-800 number?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 08, 2026, 03:42:10 PMBottom line, Shaka over estimated the talent he had last year. Now we will see what kind of salesman he is in selling his culture. I just saw a preseason poll that MU was 9th seeded in the conference. That pundit was not impressed with the talent he has coming back.
Do you think it makes any sense whatsoever to give any validity to a preseason poll when there are almost 2,000 kids in the portal?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 08, 2026, 03:55:30 PMDo you think it makes any sense whatsoever to give any validity to a preseason poll when there are almost 2,000 kids in the portal?
So long as it says MU is bad, he does think it makes sense to give it validity.
Marquette didn't even finish 9th this year in a 12-20 season lol
Marquette #34 on the Andy Katz Power 36. Marquette is back!
https://x.com/i/status/2041945622371004799
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 08, 2026, 04:03:24 PMMarquette #34 on the Andy Katz Power 36. Marquette is back!
https://x.com/i/status/2041945622371004799
All these conflicting preseason polls in April are just too confusing. Don't know who to believe!
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 08, 2026, 04:03:24 PMMarquette #34 on the Andy Katz Power 36. Marquette is back!
https://x.com/i/status/2041945622371004799
Superstar transfers confirmed.
or
#weakbubble
Don't worry, MU isn't shooting up any of these way-too-early rankings lists with our portal gets. Just ignore them and keep sleuthing the portal to ID Marquette targets. It's more productive.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 08, 2026, 04:03:24 PMMarquette #34 on the Andy Katz Power 36. Marquette is back!
https://x.com/i/status/2041945622371004799
Oh no...Shaka is going to see this and eschew the portal.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 08, 2026, 04:21:47 PMOh no...Shaka is going to see this and eschew the portal.
Probably only play 4 players at a time like Nebraska too
Quote from: onepost on April 08, 2026, 02:14:32 PMThis is really stupid.
Shaka hasn't lost ONE player worth keeping in his entire tenure at Marquette: that includes 4 NBA players, 2 All-Americans, BE POY, BE ROY, BE 6MOY. Nigel could have topped the entire portal market if he entered, but he was quite literally the first notable high major player who announced he was returning to his current school. Sounds like he got ~$3M, could have easily doubled that if he portaled.
Now, where I will agree is it felt like RGV became in part synonymous with an unearned commitment to players we recruited from high school - Tre Norman, Sean Jones, Caedin Hamilton, Al Amadou, Ben Gold and Chase Ross taking on much larger roles than their talent warranted. But to say "I don't think Shaka was ever so dumb to truly believe that the RGV crap would work" is nonsensical - it clearly works. Just now it's working with good players and not bad players.
If thats true maybe he should go.. how do you leave that kind of money off the table? for loyalty? 3 mill?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 08, 2026, 03:42:10 PMBottom line, Shaka over estimated the talent he had last year. Now we will see what kind of salesman he is in selling his culture. I just saw a preseason poll that MU was 9th seeded in the conference. That pundit was not impressed with the talent he has coming back.
Do you remember seeing the preseason polls in 2021 and 2022, both of which predicted 9th-place finishes in those seasons - and both done when Big East coaches actually knew all of the teams' rosters? How did Marquette end up doing those seasons? Or do only polls done out of ignorance, when no team's roster is known, matter to you?
Quote from: Johnny B on April 08, 2026, 04:59:55 PMIf thats true maybe he should go.. how do you leave that kind of money off the table? for loyalty? 3 mill?
Could have got 6m according to him hahahaha.
Tylen Riley
Drew McKenna.
Any other names?
Or are we finally properly dealing with agents.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 02:38:19 PMThe biggest thing everyone brings up is buying out wojos contract. The reported buyout was over 10 million, and was not paid all at once, but over the course of 4 years.
#FakeNews #Lies
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 08, 2026, 03:46:03 PMThat guy must have a crystal ball or be a seer. Does he have a 1-800 number?
1-800-USA-Dunk
"The best basketball hotline...... EVER"
David Kaplan circa early 1990s
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 05:16:42 PMCould have got 6m according to him hahahaha.
Look around at what guys end up getting and tell me $6M for the #1 PG in the portal is outlandish.
Quote from: onepost on April 08, 2026, 06:38:51 PMLook around at what guys end up getting and tell me $6M for the #1 PG in the portal is outlandish.
$6M for NJ is outlandish
What does $6M mean to you? Direct payments from the school? Yes, outlandish.
https://x.com/i/status/2042023537943204012
Huh. Will this induce sanity among scoopers?
Quote from: onepost on April 08, 2026, 06:38:51 PMLook around at what guys end up getting and tell me $6M for the #1 PG in the portal is outlandish.
Hahaha, I've been arguing with a guy who's absolutely lost.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 07:11:53 PMHahaha, I've been arguing with a guy who's absolutely lost.
Possibly overstating an NIL value by like $1M doesn't discredit anything me or others have said to you. At all.
Should there be a new thread for MU portal targets and rumored targets?
Money is part of the discussion.
Hindsight Marquette saved so much money on Kolek, Oso, Kam, and Stevie.
Probably doesn't mean anything but David Punch of TCU is in the portal.......Coach Berry is following him and he follows Marquette University on twitter.......
Quote from: MuMark on April 08, 2026, 07:51:28 PMProbably doesn't mean anything but David Punch of TCU is in the portal.......Coach Berry is following him and he follows Marquette University on twitter.......
Going to choose to believe we're in for him because I want that to be the case.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 08, 2026, 05:32:16 PMTylen Riley
Drew McKenna.
Any other names?
Or are we finally properly dealing with agents.
Tylen Riley would be solid for a backup combo guard. But hopefully that would be our 3rd best transfer.
Drew McKenna...I don't see what he would bring to the table.
Quote from: MuMark on April 08, 2026, 07:51:28 PMProbably doesn't mean anything but David Punch of TCU is in the portal.......Coach Berry is following him and he follows Marquette University on twitter.......
Boy would that be a hell of an add.
Quote from: MuMark on April 08, 2026, 07:51:28 PMProbably doesn't mean anything but David Punch of TCU is in the portal.......Coach Berry is following him and he follows Marquette University on twitter.......
Can we tell when the followings first occurred??
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 08, 2026, 08:24:39 PMCan we tell when the followings first occurred??
omg. cue the It's happening gif!!
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 08, 2026, 08:24:39 PMCan we tell when the followings first occurred??
I don't know the answer to this........
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2042056099533041875?s=20
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2026, 08:46:23 PMhttps://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2042056099533041875?s=20
Dammit.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2026, 08:46:23 PMhttps://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2042056099533041875?s=20
:-(
If you search for David Punch here it has Marquette as one of his best fits.
https://collegebasketballportal.com/
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 08, 2026, 09:14:12 PMIf you search for David Punch here it has Marquette as one of his best fits.
https://collegebasketballportal.com/
I'm having a hard time understanding why Byrd would have Providence on his list and not Marquette.
Are we reaching out to Massamba Diop??
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 08, 2026, 09:30:08 PMI'm having a hard time understanding why Byrd would have Providence on his list and not Marquette.
Providence spends NIL money - top 4 in the conference.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 08, 2026, 09:38:21 PMNo
What's this "Do not contact" nonsense? I should have a chat with the young man.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 08, 2026, 07:01:51 PMhttps://x.com/i/status/2042023537943204012
this guy nailed it:
https://x.com/VegasAggie/status/2042024895350239272
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 08, 2026, 09:38:50 PMProvidence spends NIL money - top 4 in the conference.
That's in the past. It's time for us to make a power move.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 08, 2026, 08:46:23 PMhttps://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2042056099533041875?s=20
He's like a Byrd. He'll only fly away.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 08, 2026, 09:40:48 PMThat's in the past. It's time for us to make a power move.
Agreed - let's go all in on Najai Hines.
Byrd committing to Providence is a kick in the dick. But still confident we'll land our meaningful wing.
The optimist in me says Creighton landing Oswin, UCONN likely landing Royal, Nova hosting Kwame Evans, and Providence landing Byrd spurs some action for us.
Quote from: onepost on April 08, 2026, 10:17:19 PMByrd committing to Providence is a kick in the dick. But still confident we'll land our meaningful wing.
The optimist in me says Creighton landing Oswin, UCONN likely landing Royal, Nova hosting Kwame Evans, and Providence landing Byrd spurs some action for us.
I haven't seen any valid source that he's committed to Providence.
I've seen BS troll posts saying he's committed to Kentucky and to Providence.
What are you going off of?
It's Providence
Some MU folks following Barrett Loer.......Berry also following Amari Evans......
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 08, 2026, 10:30:57 PMI haven't seen any valid source that he's committed to Providence.
I've seen BS troll posts saying he's committed to Kentucky and to Providence.
What are you going off of?
Trilly D
Quote from: MuMark on April 08, 2026, 10:37:59 PMSome MU folks following Barrett Loer.......Berry also following Amari Evans......
Ew
Quote from: MuMark on April 08, 2026, 10:37:59 PMSome MU folks following Barrett Loer.......Berry also following Amari Evans......
Are these follows recent? We recruited both early as HS recruits but then focused on others instead.
Amari Evans would be really fun. Big, defensive wing we dont have right now. Tons of upside there. Tennessee didnt want to lose him.
Quote from: MuMark on April 08, 2026, 10:37:59 PMSome MU folks following Barrett Loer.......Berry also following Amari Evans......
Loer I can't imagine being relevant.
Amari Evans in the other hand...I think he has high potential. Defensive stopper
Saw someone post on twitter
"Shaka Smart is in California today to meet with Kyle Evans and Drew McKeever, reinforcing Marquette's interest in a transfer center"
Drew McKeever seems like a good get. Sophomore averaged 8pts and 9 boards a game for St Marys.
Quote from: tower912 on April 08, 2026, 07:41:58 PMMoney is part of the discussion.
I dont understand. Have you not heard all of these people, Marquette is totally flush with cash for players.
Quote from: onepost on April 08, 2026, 02:31:46 PMMarquette has always had wealthy donors like Dick Strong, Todd Adams. Guys who personally buy out Wojo or offer to put up as much money as it would take for Tyler Kolek to come back (he opted to go to the NBA). For all his faults, Lord knows I'm no fan of his, Broeker has done a great job of landing 6-figure donations that have amounted to a very healthy NIL pot.
It's not just the super-donors -- if you look at the Blue Gold Club (mezzanine club) that's $5k per person in there (on top of their payment for the season tix) and the Marquette Room(BMO Club) is $10k on top of season tix --- both are very full every game.
There is also an opportunity to pledge and give $125k over 5 years -- seats are likely very close to the court -- also includes an opportunity to travel with the team on the charter to an away game.
Many are on this plan as well.
The dollars are there -- and not totally from the mega-donors whom we all appreciate.
Please reach out to MU if you think you are interested in upping you participation ;D
This was on State Spartans Update regarding John Blackwell.
Well, this is getting interesting fast. Word is Michigan State may have a real shot at bringing a big-name guard back home from a Big Ten rival, and if that happens, the whole conversation around next season changes in a hurry.
Nm
Quote from: MUJunkie on April 08, 2026, 11:18:33 PMSaw someone post on twitter
"Shaka Smart is in California today to meet with Kyle Evans and Drew McKeever, reinforcing Marquette's interest in a transfer center"
Drew McKeever seems like a good get. Sophomore averaged 8pts and 9 boards a game for St Marys.
April 7th through 9th is a DEAD PERIOD for portal recruiting, so the earliest they could get together face to face is Friday, April 10th. Maybe they had a Zoom call with the recruit(s).
Official visits this weekend are a huge thing in portal recruiting to try to get the first commitments.
I'm looking at juniors and seniors in the portal to give Marquette at least 2-3 years of experience and to also balance out the classes.
Kyle Evans is one I'm watching closely because he can run the floor, seems to have decent hands, can obviously block shots and continues to get better. The past experience with Marquette assistant CJ Rivers might be big. In an interview, Kyle talked about wanting to eventually get Italian citizenship and Travis Diener and his wife could share some things on that.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 08, 2026, 09:30:08 PMI'm having a hard time understanding why Byrd would have Providence on his list and not Marquette.
In this case because it looks like he's going to Providence and not Marquette.
Snag Punch and one of the 3 bigs we're targeting, then add a sharpshooter in the 40% range fron downtown.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 08, 2026, 09:30:08 PMI'm having a hard time understanding why Byrd would have Providence on his list and not Marquette.
Were we actually interested?
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 09, 2026, 12:32:16 AMThis was on State Spartans Update regarding John Blackwell.
Well, this is getting interesting fast. Word is Michigan State may have a real shot at bringing a big-name guard back home from a Big Ten rival, and if that happens, the whole conversation around next season changes in a hurry.
That's got to be false. MSU does not take mercenaries, which is why Michigan's title will forever have an asterisk next to it. Izzo builds, he doesn't buy.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 09, 2026, 07:43:40 AMWere we actually interested?
Staff read Scoop and found out Byrd takes mid-range shots. Immediately crossed off the list.
Hoping to get Punch-drunk soon.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 09, 2026, 08:09:02 AMStaff read Scoop and found out Byrd takes mid-range shots. Immediately crossed off the list.
Hoping to get Punch-drunk soon.
The whole mid-range shot policy is becoming tedious. It might be a non-issue as Nevada is leaving, but I still think MU is going to prioritize shots from 3 or the rim
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 09, 2026, 07:55:19 AMThat's got to be false. MSU does not take mercenaries, which is why Michigan's title will forever have an asterisk next to it. Izzo builds, he doesn't buy.
While I appreciate the sarcasm, Izzo is about to go scorched earth to get title 2. Little brother just got a massive noogie and is big mad
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 09, 2026, 08:35:37 AMThe whole mid-range shot policy is becoming tedious. It might be a non-issue as Nevada is leaving, but I still think MU is going to prioritize shots from 3 or the rim
As they should. Every team does this.
I now it's still early but the speculation about Nolan Minessale has gone cold. Was there any interest or was it just a wish. I guess he must like where he is as he has not entered the portal thus far. Then again maybe we 're going after bigger fish.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 09, 2026, 07:19:39 AMSnag Punch and one of the 3 bigs we're targeting, then add a sharpshooter in the 40% range fron downtown.
Are we looking at any international players? Some of them can shoot the 3.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 09, 2026, 08:47:42 AMI now it's still early but the speculation about Nolan Minessale has gone cold. Was there any interest or was it just a wish. I guess he must like where he is as he has not entered the portal thus far. Then again maybe we 're going after bigger fish.
There were definitely conversations.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 09, 2026, 09:01:47 AMThere were definitely conversations.
...conversations on Scoop...
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 09, 2026, 08:47:42 AMI now it's still early but the speculation about Nolan Minessale has gone cold. Was there any interest or was it just a wish. I guess he must like where he is as he has not entered the portal thus far. Then again maybe we 're going after bigger fish.
I'm quite certain it was real, maybe still is, but I'm sure they are looking at more established high major guys first.
He isn't even in the portal yet and I think that is probably a good thing for us at this point in the game.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 09, 2026, 08:42:20 AMAs they should. Every team does this.
We did ok after we built a house of bricks against Butler in 2024, and we started to see Kolek taking many more midrange shots.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 09, 2026, 09:25:02 AMWe did ok after we built a house of bricks against Butler in 2024, and we started to see Kolek taking many more midrange shots.
Right. But we will still "prioritize" at the rim and from three. As will every program.
From On 3
Cole Certa ended the year very strongly for Notre Dame, averaging 15.8 points with 2.9 made threes a game in ACC play. Some of the schools I have heard are involved with the 6-foot-5 sophomore are DePaul, Marquette, and Louisville. Continue to watch what visits he goes on; things have been kept relatively close to the vest to this point
Has anyone seen or heard rumors of where Ben Defty (Boston University) is going to end up?
IMO, he could be an ideal fit.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 09, 2026, 09:25:02 AMWe did ok after we built a house of bricks against Butler in 2024, and we started to see Kolek taking many more midrange shots.
Kolek did not take many midrange shots.
Quote from: MuMark on April 09, 2026, 09:29:58 AMFrom On 3
Cole Certa ended the year very strongly for Notre Dame, averaging 15.8 points with 2.9 made threes a game in ACC play. Some of the schools I have heard are involved with the 6-foot-5 sophomore are DePaul, Marquette, and Louisville. Continue to watch what visits he goes on; things have been kept relatively close to the vest to this point
Yeesh, I hope not. He can shoot but that's about it. Very one dimensional player
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 08, 2026, 11:49:07 PMI dont understand. Have you not heard all of these people, Marquette is totally flush with cash for players.
I don't want to get in the middle of this weird crusade you've got going on but I know of two mega donors who were turned down by Shaka when they offered big NIL portal money in previous years and neither were happy about this year. Maybe that means they shut their wallet maybe not but money has previously been offered and is there. pretending it's not because we didn't go out and drop a brinks truck for the first name is a bit... out there.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 09, 2026, 09:58:43 AMYeesh, I hope not. He can shoot but that's about it. Very one dimensional player
I would hope he wouldn't be the feature addition, but I certainly would like to see some shooters on next year's team.
Going to pretend like I haven't read anything here since the Punch speculation and move on.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 09, 2026, 09:58:43 AMYeesh, I hope not. He can shoot but that's about it. Very one dimensional player
Are we not in the market for a player that seems like he might be identical to Nash Walker?
Seems like the bigs we're focused on are Sananda Fru and Kyle Evans.
Anyone heard if we're open to taking both??
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 09, 2026, 09:58:43 AMYeesh, I hope not. He can shoot but that's about it. Very one dimensional player
Marquette was 118th in offense last year shooting 31.7% from three, ranking 290th.
They can add shooting.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 09, 2026, 09:47:02 AMKolek did not take many midrange shots.
Depends if you count 10 feet as mid-range, but he really increased his floater usage.
Quote from: BM1090 on April 09, 2026, 10:34:56 AMDepends if you count 10 feet as mid-range, but he really increased his floater usage.
And it was a good shot because every single defense we faced was obsessed with keeping him from getting layups or finding a shooter.
(this only happens once you prove you can make threes and layups)
Quote from: BM1090 on April 09, 2026, 10:34:56 AMDepends if you count 10 feet as mid-range, but he really increased his floater usage.
I don't. I would not classify a floater in the paint (or anything in the paint) as midrange.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 09, 2026, 10:41:23 AMI don't. I would not classify a floater in the paint (or anything in the paint) as midrange.
That distance might as well be from the logo for CH. ;)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 09, 2026, 10:41:23 AMI don't. I would not classify a floater in the paint (or anything in the paint) as midrange.
Then our definitions are different. I certainly don't want us taking many shots between the free throw line and the three point line. But I'd like to see an increased usage next year of floaters and NJ's pullup from 10-15 feet. Makeable shots that too often we shy away from and end up with a more difficult shot.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 10:26:39 AMSeems like the bigs we're focused on are Sananda Fru and Kyle Evans.
Anyone heard if we're open to taking both??
Has there been anything tying us to Fru beyond the hopes and dreams of scoop posters?
Quote from: BM1090 on April 09, 2026, 10:43:32 AMThen our definitions are different. I certainly don't want us taking many shots between the free throw line and the three point line. But I'd like to see an increased usage next year of floaters and NJ's pullup from 10-15 feet. Makeable shots that too often we shy away from and end up with a more difficult shot.
That's what frustrated me about Joplin. He often would've been more successful shooting 8-10 footers than his herky jerky ball fakes at the rim that ended up getting swatted.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 09, 2026, 10:41:23 AMI don't. I would not classify a floater in the paint (or anything in the paint) as midrange.
fair enough. That's what I was referring to.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 10:26:39 AMSeems like the bigs we're focused on are Sananda Fru and Kyle Evans.
Anyone heard if we're open to taking both??
Given that Evans is listed at only 210 lbs, that might be ideal.
I know nothing about this kid's game, but the last guy who transferred to the Big East who played sparingly at Kansas turned out to be pretty good.
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/2042271756929335533
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 09, 2026, 11:13:29 AMHas there been anything tying us to Fru beyond the hopes and dreams of scoop posters?
You beat me to it. ;D
It's right up there with scoopers who posted about how we should get (fill in the blank) into a Marquette uniform after being impressed with seeing the player in a game. It's as simple as ordering on Amazon. ;D
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 09, 2026, 11:40:13 AMYou beat me to it. ;D
It's right up there with scoopers who posted about how we should get (fill in the blank) into a Marquette uniform after being impressed with seeing the player in a game. It's as simple as ordering on Amazon. ;D
We can't even get hot dogs, much less players
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status/2042278474019213820?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on April 09, 2026, 11:47:55 AMhttps://x.com/travisbranham_/status/2042278474019213820?s=61
Would definitely fit our wing need. Think we need a big and another guard to go along with that position. Lots of different options.
I think the "do not contact" usually means he's already got a deal.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 09, 2026, 10:30:03 AMMarquette was 118th in offense last year shooting 31.7% from three, ranking 290th.
They can add shooting.
Sure.
But they can do it without taking a player who's a major defensive liability.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 09, 2026, 12:06:27 PMSure.
But they can do it without taking a player who's a major defensive liability.
1. Where were you when we were discussing Damarius Owens?
2. Cole would be our worse defender sure. He would also be our 2nd/3rd best offensive player
Quote from: jfp61 on April 09, 2026, 12:10:41 PM1. Where were you when we were discussing Damarius Owens?
2. Cole would be our worse defender sure. He would also be our 2nd/3rd best offensive player
Certa's numbers make Owens' numbers look like Chase Ross' numbers.
Owens also improved as the season went on (and he recovered from a major offseason surgery). Certa's defense was just bad all season.
247 mentions Texas and Texas as likely options for Punch
Oh well.......
Quote from: MuMark on April 09, 2026, 12:21:51 PM247 mentions Texas and Texas as likely options for Punch
Oh well.......
Makes sense. He was recruited by X when Sean Miller was there. He's now at Texas, and he's from Texas.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 09, 2026, 12:17:22 PMCerta's numbers make Owens' numbers look like Chase Ross' numbers.
Owens also improved as the season went on (and he recovered from a major offseason surgery). Certa's defense was just bad all season.
I mean. Kinda, sorta, not realy. We got two years of data now. I hope he plays better in the future.
Players become better defenders not playing for Micah
I am not the biggest micah shrewsberry guy
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 09, 2026, 11:13:29 AMHas there been anything tying us to Fru beyond the hopes and dreams of scoop posters?
Onepost has been mentioning Fru for a little while. Whether that's due to insider buzz, random speculation, or regurgitating Trilly's discord, I have no idea.
But onepost has had reliable information in the past, so I find his posts to be more credible than not.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 09, 2026, 12:27:54 PMMakes sense. He was recruited by X when Sean Miller was there. He's now at Texas, and he's from Texas.
I don't believe that. Sean Miller wouldn't be engaged in any impermissible recruiting activities.
Quote from: MuMark on April 09, 2026, 09:29:58 AMFrom On 3
Cole Certa ended the year very strongly for Notre Dame, averaging 15.8 points with 2.9 made threes a game in ACC play. Some of the schools I have heard are involved with the 6-foot-5 sophomore are DePaul, Marquette, and Louisville. Continue to watch what visits he goes on; things have been kept relatively close to the vest to this point
Don't sleep on this guy. (too easy!?!)
Quote from: MuMark on April 09, 2026, 12:21:51 PM247 mentions Texas and Texas as likely options for Punch
Oh well.......
U think there was any shot of us bringing in a top ten transfer?
Quote from: Johnny B on April 09, 2026, 01:10:47 PMU think there was any shot of us bringing in a top ten transfer?
Nope. Not even a real chance of bringing in any transfer. I heard Shaka told the rest of the team to leave as well--no MUBB in observance of the 50th anniversary of the 1977 team.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 09, 2026, 01:10:47 PMU think there was any shot of us bringing in a top ten transfer?
Sure, lots buying into RGV.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 09, 2026, 01:10:47 PMU think there was any shot of us bringing in a top ten transfer?
I was told Nigel was worth 6m, and Marquette was able to keep him. Better be able to pay 5m for a top ten!
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 09, 2026, 01:15:09 PMNope. Not even a real chance of bringing in any transfer. I heard Shaka told the rest of the team to leave as well--no MUBB in observance of the 50th anniversary of the 1977 team.
Sending hugs :/
Quote from: jfp61 on April 09, 2026, 12:34:57 PMI mean. Kinda, sorta, not realy. We got two years of data now. I hope he plays better in the future.
Players become better defenders not playing for Micah
I am not the biggest micah shrewsberry guy
He was a definitively GOOD defender for the last 15 games this year. Yes, the other 75% of his career was rough on that end. Yes, it's a small sample. It's also the most recent sample.
Agree on Micah. He's had one good year with an old, stacked team. Jalen Pickett solved a lot of the coaching problems and Lundy, Funk and Wynter were a great supporting cast.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 09, 2026, 12:10:41 PM1. Where were you when we were discussing Damarius Owens?
2. Cole would be our worse defender sure. He would also be our 2nd/3rd best offensive player
So Rowsey 2.0?
I found Rowdy entertaining, but not necessarily conducive to producing the high-level team we all desire.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on April 09, 2026, 01:50:56 PMSo Rowsey 2.0?
I found Rowdy entertaining, but not necessarily conducive to producing the high-level team we all desire.
Cole Certa is a 2 guard. Not a Rowsey. Cole just shoots. He is 6'4"-6'5". No assists. No turnovers. He is less good at threes than Rowsey, but thats because Rowsey was unreal. And its is partly because Cole took many shots from NBA range because of Micah.
My guess is the staff knows they can coach some defense, so figure the rest out. It could get them in trouble later. The defense will be more dependant on Nigel, Adrien, and the 5 man.
If you want to see his shot chart
https://hoop-explorer.com/PlayerCareer?gender=Men&ncaaId=5144373&playerShotCharts=true&playerShotChartsShowFreqAsNumber=false&playerShotChartsViewMode=zones&tablePreset=Detailed& (https://hoop-explorer.com/PlayerCareer?gender=Men&ncaaId=5144373&playerShotCharts=true&playerShotChartsShowFreqAsNumber=false&playerShotChartsViewMode=zones&tablePreset=Detailed&)
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 09, 2026, 01:43:21 PMI was told Nigel was worth 6m, and Marquette was able to keep him. Better be able to pay 5m for a top ten!
Standing by a schtick no one finds funny is a bold choice, man
So, Katin Reinhardt.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on April 09, 2026, 01:50:56 PMSo Rowsey 2.0?
I found Rowdy entertaining, but not necessarily conducive to producing the high-level team we all desire.
I loved Rowsey's smirk just as he suckered
another defender into attempting to block his 3 pointer at the same time he launched himself forward after releasing the ball. ;D
"The Thing" was always good for a laugh. The best one was when he got Seton Hall's Angel Delgado. The mic picked up Delgado's laughing as Rowsey was at the FT line. "Ya
got me Rowsey. Ya
got me. ;D ;D
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 09, 2026, 02:13:56 PMI loved Rowsey's smirk just as he suckered another defender into attempting to block his 3 pointer at the same time he launched himself forward after releasing the ball. ;D
"The Thing" was always good for a laugh. The best one was when he got Seton Hall's Angel Delgado. The mic picked up Delgado's laughing as Rowsey was at the FT line. "Ya got me Rowsey. Ya got me. ;D ;D
It drives me a bit mental how many times guys since then have caught players in the air on a pump fake and side step around instead of initiating the contact. It's not like Rowseys fake was something that can't be replicated.
I've never seen Certa play but others have already summarized my concerns (defense, one-dimensional).
Looking at his game log, he has had a number of explosive games. Since January 27th, which was his first big outburst, these were his averages over his final 11 games:
19.5 PPG
36.8% 3P% (42/114)
39.3% FG% (66/168) (ick)
82% FT% (41/50)
In his last 6 games, he got to the line 34 time, so maybe he does have a little more to his game than just launching from deep.
Some definite concerns, especially if he can't defend, but if he was added to come off the bench and improved his shot selection and efficiency, maybe there'd be something here.
Again, this is just based at a cursory look of his game logs.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 09, 2026, 02:11:05 PMIf you want to see his shot chart
https://hoop-explorer.com/PlayerCareer?gender=Men&ncaaId=5144373&playerShotCharts=true&playerShotChartsShowFreqAsNumber=false&playerShotChartsViewMode=zones&tablePreset=Detailed& (https://hoop-explorer.com/PlayerCareer?gender=Men&ncaaId=5144373&playerShotCharts=true&playerShotChartsShowFreqAsNumber=false&playerShotChartsViewMode=zones&tablePreset=Detailed&)
Don't know if he's a fit--look at all those shot attempts between 3 feet and the 3 point line.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 09, 2026, 02:22:08 PMIt drives me a bit mental how many times guys since then have caught players in the air on a pump fake and side step around instead of initiating the contact. It's not like Rowseys fake was something that can't be replicated.
Hasn't there been some rule change or approach to officiating since The Thing whereby if the shooter clearly initiates the contact that a foul is not called? For some reason, I have that in my mind as a reason that there is not so much of that blatant Thing anymore.
Quote from: mug644 on April 09, 2026, 02:42:40 PMHasn't there been some rule change or approach to officiating since The Thing whereby if the shooter clearly initiates the contact that a foul is not called? For some reason, I have that in my mind as a reason that there is not so much of that blatant Thing anymore.
Oh maybe I missed that?
Quote from: mug644 on April 09, 2026, 02:42:40 PMHasn't there been some rule change or approach to officiating since The Thing whereby if the shooter clearly initiates the contact that a foul is not called? For some reason, I have that in my mind as a reason that there is not so much of that blatant Thing anymore.
I thought that was for when shooters are kicking their leg out trying to draw a foul.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 09, 2026, 02:34:16 PMDon't know if he's a fit--look at all those shot attempts between 3 feet and the 3 point line.
It is funny how horrible he was at midrange shots too.
Shoots 89% from the line. Shoots 36.7% from three, with many from 25+ feet. 61.8% on layups and dunks.
23.4% from midrange.
You can stop the 'praying for Estrella' vigil now.
Quote from: tower912 on April 09, 2026, 03:07:20 PMYou can stop the 'praying for Estrella' vigil now.
I can't believe people thought that this staff was just Re-recruiting guys who told them no.
That was so dumb.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 02:11:10 PMStanding by a schtick no one finds funny is a bold choice, man
You could just admit you were supremely overzealous on what Nigels value would be lol.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 09, 2026, 03:04:55 PMIt is funny how horrible he was at midrange shots too.
Shoots 89% from the line. Shoots 36.7% from three, with many from 25+ feet. 61.8% on layups and dunks.
23.4% from midrange.
So coach the midrange out of him and you have a pretty dang good offensive player.
I'd take a Chase Johnston off my bench next year. We run a 3s and offense system. Our players stink at shooting 3s. I'd love to add some 3 point shooters to our roster.
Quote from: tower912 on April 09, 2026, 03:07:20 PMYou can stop the 'praying for Estrella' vigil now.
Someone probably saw he was interested in a team in the Midwest with blue and gold colors and the letters M and U in their insignia and got hopeful.
Erhunmwunse to Creighton.
https://www.wowt.com/2026/04/08/creighton-mens-basketball-transfer-portal-tracker-three-bluejays-announce-departures/
LSU's Nwoko to Xavier. Fourth team in four seasons.
6'10" 13.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/2041862903079276803
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 09, 2026, 12:37:07 PMOnepost has been mentioning Fru for a little while. Whether that's due to insider buzz, random speculation, or regurgitating Trilly's discord, I have no idea.
But onepost has had reliable information in the past, so I find his posts to be more credible than not.
A buddy familiar with the staff told me Fru, Buljan, and Evans were the big men targets we've been on for a week now. That our focus has primarily been on big men, with wings/guards to follow in order of priority. I don't think discord has said anything about Fru anywhere - sounds like McKeever is leaning towards Iowa so I think that'd help us with Fru.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 09, 2026, 03:12:55 PMYou could just admit you were supremely overzealous on what Nigels value would be lol.
I think the very top portal transfers will end up making $5M-$6M so while "he could easily double what we gave him" is hyperbolic, I don't think it's out of the realm for any school with deep pockets to have thrown that kind of money at him. That's all.
If I were a betting man, I would place a small wager around MU's pursuit of a big man. And that is that the Ballard hire ends up being a package deal.
Minds will be lost.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 09, 2026, 03:12:55 PMYou could just admit you were supremely overzealous on what Nigels value would be lol.
Let's see what Blackwell gets. He's the better player right now but given Nigel has 3 years left, I wouldn't be surprised if he would have commanded something similar.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 03:33:29 PMA buddy familiar with the staff told me Fru, Buljan, and Evans were the big men targets we've been on for a week now. That our focus has primarily been on big men, with wings/guards to follow in order of priority. I don't think discord has said anything about Fru anywhere - sounds like McKeever is leaning towards Iowa so I think that'd help us with Fru.
We can't focus on more than one position group at a time?
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 03:35:40 PMI think the very top portal transfers will end up making $5M-$6M so while "he could easily double what we gave him" is hyperbolic, I don't think it's out of the realm for any school with deep pockets to have thrown that kind of money at him. That's all.
Jeremy Fears, probably the top returning PG next season, is reportedly getting $2.1 million (and he claimed Michigan offered him $4.5 million after last season). I would be surprised if we are giving Nigel that, since we don't have the deep pockets MSU has. Guards don't get the amounts bigs get, and those are in the $5 million-plus range
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 09, 2026, 03:30:00 PMLSU's Nwoko to Xavier. Fourth team in four seasons.
6'10" 13.4 ppg, 5.9 rpg
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/2041862903079276803
Matthew Winick, really smart college basketball analyst, eviscerated this pickup on twitter haha: "Can't think of a more blatant example of teams desperate to add bigs than an early add of Mike Nwoko at Xavier for a reported massive amount of money. Nwoko's teams are 11-25 in league play with him as a starter and he's a net-negative defender with no ball skills. Great rebounder."
Honestly refreshing getting that kind of commentary these days.
Quote from: tower912 on April 09, 2026, 03:38:57 PMIf I were a betting man, I would place a small wager around MU's pursuit of a big man. And that is that the Ballard hire ends up being a package deal.
Minds will be lost.
If we add Eric Dibami it NEEDS to be replacing Josh Clark or Caedin Hamilton - not as a rotation add.
That's the type of developmental big Shaka should be taking, not a HS unknown with zero other major offers like he's done.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 09, 2026, 03:42:14 PMWe can't focus on more than one position group at a time?
No doubt, which is why we've been linked with Amari Evans and Tylen Riley too.
More that it seems like the bigs are the first dominoes to fall in free agency so they're being prioritized.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 03:50:24 PMIf we add Eric Dibami it NEEDS to be replacing Josh Clark or Caedin Hamilton - not as a rotation add.
That's the type of developmental big Shaka should be taking, not a HS unknown with zero other major offers like he's done.
"Hope you enjoyed your year of beautiful weather and women in Miami, because you're getting grey snow and brat eaters next year"
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 03:50:24 PMIf we add Eric Dibami it NEEDS to be replacing Josh Clark or Caedin Hamilton - not as a rotation add.
That's the type of developmental big Shaka should be taking, not a HS unknown with zero other major offers like he's done.
Hamilton and Clark aren't leaving this offseason. Moot.
Quote from: tower912 on April 09, 2026, 03:55:17 PMHamilton and Clark aren't leaving this offseason. Moot.
It doesn't appear so. I have no inside knowledge on it but my best guess is a guy like Clark wouldn't announce a transfer unless we first find a big to replace him: like Dibami.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 03:35:40 PMI think the very top portal transfers will end up making $5M-$6M
What does that mean, "will end up making"? In the context of getting deals from schools, it's limited in what I think it could mean, but.. wondering when you say it, what does that mean?
If Dibami is the only big man addition this spring then Shaka will not be the coach here in 12 months. Dibami is not a starter at this level.
I am going off of that video MU posted. If they were leaving, they wouldn't be working out with the team. Pretty simple.
Has this been posted already?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48424179/mens-college-basketball-transfer-portal-player-rankings-commitments-2026
Who can we get and be a significant help?
Quote from: tower912 on April 09, 2026, 04:01:37 PMI am going off of that video MU posted. If they were leaving, they wouldn't be working out with the team. Pretty simple.
Or they are waiting to see what next year's roster looks like, because there will be additions.
Is the banquet tonight? Slip 'em some truth serum and let's get some answers.
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 09, 2026, 04:06:54 PMHas this been posted already?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48424179/mens-college-basketball-transfer-portal-player-rankings-commitments-2026
Who can we get and be a significant help?
Quote from: tower912 on April 09, 2026, 04:01:37 PMI am going off of that video MU posted. If they were leaving, they wouldn't be working out with the team. Pretty simple.
I don't think it's all that uncommon to see players who will eventually leave still in practices until decisions are finalized. When I was a student manager for 5 minutes it was well known Jamail Jones (shoutout JJJJJ) was leaving and he still practiced with the team, Sandy Cohen and Steve Taylor later with Wojo, etc. Hell, when Shaka first got the job he was in Instagram videos with DJ "THE HUMAN HIGHLIGHT" Carton and DJ left like a week later.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 09, 2026, 04:00:14 PMWhat does that mean, "will end up making"? In the context of getting deals from schools, it's limited in what I think it could mean, but.. wondering when you say it, what does that mean?
"Will end up making" simply when they commit to whatever school. Sorry, should have worded that better.
Quote from: NCMUFan on April 09, 2026, 04:06:54 PMHas this been posted already?
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48424179/mens-college-basketball-transfer-portal-player-rankings-commitments-2026
Who can we get and be a significant help?
Let's hope we can get 3 out of the 40 who have not already signed with another school.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 04:19:24 PMI don't think it's all that uncommon to see players who will eventually leave still in practices until decisions are finalized. When I was a student manager for 5 minutes it was well known Jamail Jones (shoutout JJJJJ) was leaving and he still practiced with the team, Sandy Cohen and Steve Taylor later with Wojo, etc. Hell, when Shaka first got the job he was in Instagram videos with DJ "THE HUMAN HIGHLIGHT" Carton and DJ left like a week later.
If Shaka were going to cut Clark and/or Hamilton loose, I would think he would have done it in a way that would maximize their chances at landing elsewhere. That means telling them so they can enter the portal as early as possible.
Hanging on to them and waiting until the portal has been open for a while and teams have started to fill their roster spots doesn't seem like an approach Shaka would take.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 09, 2026, 04:10:46 PMOr they are waiting to see what next year's roster looks like, because there will be additions.
Is the banquet tonight? Slip 'em some truth serum and let's get some answers.
That would be kinder and gentler than putting them on Muggsy's Medieval rack.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 04:21:15 PM"Will end up making" simply when they commit to whatever school. Sorry, should have worded that better.
I was asking what it meant... as in, you're talking about a contract for direct payments from the school (eg, "revenue share")?
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 09, 2026, 04:28:29 PMIf Shaka were going to cut Clark and/or Hamilton loose,
Purge that phrase from your vocabulary.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 09, 2026, 04:30:15 PMThat would be kinder and gentler than putting them on Muggsy's Medieval rack.
Usually, you only see those at the ren faire
Myles Byrd to Providence
There was a lot of wishful thinking around here that he would wind up at MU.
https://x.com/AdamZagoria/status/2042349163694698856
I really only watch MU games but I get so upset when I hear someone I didn't know existed before 2 minutes ago didn't choose my Alma Mater. Screw him!!!
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 09, 2026, 05:02:24 PMMyles Byrd to Providence
There was a lot of wishful thinking around here that he would wind up at MU.
https://x.com/AdamZagoria/status/2042349163694698856
That's unfortunate, not sure i see the appeal at that trash program.
Benjamins.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 09, 2026, 05:12:40 PMThat's unfortunate, not sure i see the appeal at that trash program.
So they lose Oswin and get Byrd. Who got the better deal, Creighton or Providence?
That Providence is reportedly flush with resources is a bit of a surprise to me. Has that been widely known?
methinks ppl don't quite understand the rules and such.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 09, 2026, 05:42:43 PMThat Providence is reportedly flush with resources is a bit of a surprise to me. Has that been widely known?
It's pretty common for new coaches to get a bump in resources, so I'm not surprised they made a nice signing like Byrd.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 09, 2026, 05:47:50 PMmethinks ppl don't quite understand the rules and such.
Yup. Schools, coaches and agents are following the rules.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 09, 2026, 06:04:24 PMYup. Schools, coaches and agents are following the rules.
Especially fine, Catholic schools like Providence. Frankly UConn and Butler should simply be thankful we allow them in this conference despite being heathens.
Gotta admit ... if Byrd's a player we were really targeting, I'm a little disappointed to see him end up at another BE school - especially one that isn't UConn, StJ or Creighton.
Quote from: MU82 on April 09, 2026, 06:45:29 PMGotta admit ... if Byrd's a player we were really targeting, I'm a little disappointed to see him end up at another BE school - especially one that isn't UConn, StJ or Creighton.
Why those schools specifically?
Sucks we couldn't get him, but at least he's in the Big East. I'd definitely prefer he land here rather than the SEC.
Quote from: MU82 on April 09, 2026, 06:45:29 PMGotta admit ... if Byrd's a player we were really targeting, I'm a little disappointed to see him end up at another BE school - especially one that isn't UConn, StJ or Creighton.
Providence lost key players to the portal......Oswin, Vaaks, Jones.....so they had more money to throw at Byrd.......lots of schools with better programs were reportedly pursuing him.....PC must have made him an offer he couldn't refuse............the real question is will the money be well spent? what kind of team can they put around him?
If a guy doesn't end up here I really don't care where he goes........but it could be argued that the Big East needs good players in the conference on teams that weren't good last season.
Quote from: tower912 on April 09, 2026, 04:01:37 PMI am going off of that video MU posted. If they were leaving, they wouldn't be working out with the team. Pretty simple.
Correct
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 04:19:24 PMI don't think it's all that uncommon to see players who will eventually leave still in practices until decisions are finalized. When I was a student manager for 5 minutes it was well known Jamail Jones (shoutout JJJJJ) was leaving and he still practiced with the team, Sandy Cohen and Steve Taylor later with Wojo, etc. Hell, when Shaka first got the job he was in Instagram videos with DJ "THE HUMAN HIGHLIGHT" Carton and DJ left like a week later.
Overthinking. Occam's razor.
It's up to Shaka to build his roster. He did a very poor job of that this year. If he believes in Hamilton, so be it. Miss the tournament again next season for whatever reason, however, then he shouldn't be back for the 2027-2028 season. To be honest, I've only seen a fraction of the players in the portal actually play a game so I can only judge on the results.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 09, 2026, 06:53:39 PMWhy those schools specifically?
Sucks we couldn't get him, but at least he's in the Big East. I'd definitely prefer he land here rather than the SEC.
I figured those schools are the BE's biggest spenders. Maybe along with Nova?
It doesn't bother me that he's in the Big East; it wouldn't have bothered me if he went to the SEC. If he's not MU-bound, to heck with him!
Quote from: MuMark on April 09, 2026, 06:55:41 PMProvidence lost key players to the portal......Oswin, Vaaks, Jones.....so they had more money to throw at Byrd.......lots of schools with better programs were reportedly pursuing him.....PC must have made him an offer he couldn't refuse............the real question is will the money be well spent? what kind of team can they put around him?
Reasonable point, and good question.
I saw Byrd play 3 times after I heard MU might want him. His shooting form is atrocious - I can see why he's had a lousy 3-point percentage. And while he's a good help defender, he gambled for steals too often and he got beat off the dribble a lot, too. But I think he also was playing through injuries, so maybe I didn't see him at his best.
Prov2N
Quote from: MU82 on April 09, 2026, 07:40:06 PMI figured those schools are the BE's biggest spenders. Maybe along with Nova?
It doesn't bother me that he's in the Big East; it wouldn't have bothered me if he went to the SEC. If he's not MU-bound, to heck with him!
Reasonable point, and good question.
I saw Byrd play 3 times after I heard MU might want him. His shooting form is atrocious - I can see why he's had a lousy 3-point percentage. And while he's a good help defender, he gambled for steals too often and he got beat off the dribble a lot, too. But I think he also was playing through injuries, so maybe I didn't see him at his best.
Providence just added Dink Pate who has played 3 full G League seasons. That's a big-time add for the Friars.
https://x.com/i/status/2042407464952365313
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 09, 2026, 07:29:54 PMMiss the tournament again next season for whatever reason, however, then he shouldn't be back for the 2027-2028 season.
You're entitled to your opinion, but realistically speaking, Shaka would not be fired were that to happen. While his seat would definitely start to get quite warm, I have no doubt he'd be given one final chance to turn things around.
And even if you could fire him next season, would you really want to risk losing Nigel James Jr too? (*i.e., if we just barely miss the tournament, but NJ and the team are clearly improving and continuing to show rising potential)
*Edit for clarification
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 09, 2026, 08:30:16 PMYou're entitled to your opinion, but realistically speaking, Shaka would not be fired were that to happen. While his seat would definitely start to get quite warm, I have no doubt he'd be given one final chance to turn things around.
And even if you could fire him next season, would you really want to risk losing Nigel James Jr too?
This season was an epic fail. Miss the tournament again and he should be gone. The tools are available for a quick turnaround. There's really no excuse.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 09, 2026, 08:38:19 PMThis season was an epic fail. Miss the tournament again and he should be gone. The tools are available for a quick turnaround. There's really no excuse.
It's not that black and white.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 09, 2026, 08:12:44 PMProvidence just added Dink Pate who has played 3 full G League seasons. That's a big-time add for the Friars.
https://x.com/i/status/2042407464952365313
Even under the updated rules i think he would be eligible for 3 years.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 09, 2026, 08:43:32 PMIt's not that black and white.
IMO, it is. After a season like this last one, it is pretty black and white.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 09, 2026, 08:50:03 PMIMO, it is. After a season like this last one, it is pretty black and white.
It's not. Another season like this past one, sure.
If they're on the bubble and miss or if the team suffers any significant injuries he's back.
Lots of Amari Evans smoke (much in the form of twitter follows which is basically all we can externally go on with our staff's refusal to let info leak). Was at Tennessee last season, 95th percentile defender, would be an awesome pickup IMO.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 08:56:48 PMLOTS of Amari Evans smoke. Was at Tennessee last season, would be an awesome pickup IMO.
Yeah that would be a great addition. A defensive minded wing? And played a year under Rick Barnes? Yes please.
Hopefully him, Nigel, and Royce would be shooting 3s nonstop in the offseason.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 09, 2026, 08:38:19 PMThis season was an epic fail. Miss the tournament again and he should be gone. The tools are available for a quick turnaround. There's really no excuse.
I find it amusing that a coach can firmly make the NCAA tournament in each of his first four years at a program (with a record of 3-4), but miss it once due to a bad season, and fans will immediately turn to saying that coach should be fired if he misses the tournament a second year in a row.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 08:56:48 PMLots of Amari Evans smoke. Was at Tennessee last season, 95th percentile defender, would be an awesome pickup IMO.
Would be a big time get indeed. Hope both sides find value in one another.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 08:56:48 PMLots of Amari Evans smoke. Was at Tennessee last season, 95th percentile defender, would be an awesome pickup IMO.
One year left for SS.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 08:56:48 PMLots of Amari Evans smoke. Was at Tennessee last season, 95th percentile defender, would be an awesome pickup IMO.
22% from three and 57% from free throw line in his only season at TN. Talking Tre Norman numbers here.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 09, 2026, 08:30:16 PMYou're entitled to your opinion, but realistically speaking, Shaka would not be fired were that to happen. While his seat would definitely start to get quite warm, I have no doubt he'd be given one final chance to turn things around.
And even if you could fire him next season, would you really want to risk losing Nigel James Jr too?
I think you are right, but NJ will have no impact on MU's decision.
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 08:56:48 PMLots of Amari Evans smoke. Was at Tennessee last season, 95th percentile defender, would be an awesome pickup IMO.
thank you for once again suggesting a recruit who has already told us "no".
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 08:56:48 PMLots of Amari Evans smoke. Was at Tennessee last season, 95th percentile defender, would be an awesome pickup IMO.
Undersized freshman wing whose calling card is defense. I don't hate it but seems more like one for the future than next season. Think this would be a solid third portal signing, with two more immediate impact pieces coming in .
Quote from: onepost on April 09, 2026, 08:56:48 PMLots of Amari Evans smoke. Was at Tennessee last season, 95th percentile defender, would be an awesome pickup IMO.
Would absolutely love this add. Big wing who can really guard. The shooting percentages are ugly, but on a low sample. The form looks very solid so I think there's a lot of room to improve there.
Top 50 recruit, well coached by Rick Barnes. Yes please.
Quote from: nyg on April 09, 2026, 09:05:15 PM22% from three and 57% from free throw line in his only season at TN. Talking Tre Norman numbers here.
He would fit right in
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 09, 2026, 08:50:03 PMIMO, it is. After a season like this last one, it is pretty black and white.
You might want him gone under that scenario, but neither you nor any other Scooper has that power, thank goodness.
For me, it would be an "it depends" situation. For example, if Marquette ended up just on the wrong side of the bubble, and if our best players again committed to return, I'd likely want him back, and I'm guessing the powers-that-be would, too. If we weren't even on the bubble, and/or if he couldn't keep players, I'd think he'd be gone and that would be fine with me.
Quote from: JTJ3 on April 09, 2026, 09:11:38 PMWould absolutely love this add. Big wing who can really guard. The shooting percentages are ugly, but on a low sample. The form looks very solid so I think there's a lot of room to improve there.
Top 50 recruit, well coached by Rick Barnes. Yes please.
He played in 35 games. He shot 22% from three and 57% from the line.
Again, Tre Norman numbers. Many here felt Norman was a good defender, so?
I have no knowledge of this guy and whether MU is actually courting him, but in a Shaka three point offense and hundreds of posters on this board pleading and praying for an outside shooter, why would Shaka and staff consider him with those numbers.
Now Shaka recruiting defensive specialists?
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 09, 2026, 09:02:13 PMI find it amusing that a coach can firmly make the NCAA tournament in each of his first four years at a program (with a record of 3-4), but miss it once due to a bad season, and fans will immediately turn to saying that coach should be fired if he misses the tournament a second year in a row.
He put one of the worst teams in MU history on the floor. This wasn't just a "bad" season. I can't believe some people want to equate this past season to being on the bubble and just missing the tournament.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 09, 2026, 04:28:29 PMIf Shaka were going to cut Clark and/or Hamilton loose, I would think he would have done it in a way that would maximize their chances at landing elsewhere. That means telling them so they can enter the portal as early as possible.
Hanging on to them and waiting until the portal has been open for a while and teams have started to fill their roster spots doesn't seem like an approach Shaka would take.
Lol. D1 basketball is cut throat.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 09, 2026, 08:30:16 PMYou're entitled to your opinion, but realistically speaking, Shaka would not be fired were that to happen. While his seat would definitely start to get quite warm, I have no doubt he'd be given one final chance to turn things around.
And even if you could fire him next season, would you really want to risk losing Nigel James Jr too?
::)
Wojoish thought pattern.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 09, 2026, 09:38:04 PMLol. D1 basketball is cut throat.
There will be plenty of room at the bottom wherever they (Clark) will end up.
Quote from: panda on April 09, 2026, 09:39:45 PMThere will be plenty of room at the bottom wherever they (Clark) will end up.
Could be a stud at whitewater!
Hamilton still on the team after the banquet?
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 09, 2026, 08:30:16 PMYou're entitled to your opinion, but realistically speaking, Shaka would not be fired were that to happen. While his seat would definitely start to get quite warm, I have no doubt he'd be given one final chance to turn things around.
And even if you could fire him next season, would you really want to risk losing Nigel James Jr too?
You don't keep an underperforming coach for fear of losing a player. That's very shortsighted. Did UNC worry about losing players when they fired Hubert Davis?
I don't think missing the tournament again costs Shaka his job, but another losing season probably should. And if he has back-to-back losing seasons with Nigel, why would you believe he couldn't have a third?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 09, 2026, 09:28:02 PMHe put one of the worst teams in MU history on the floor. This wasn't just a "bad" season. I can't believe some people want to equate this past season to being on the bubble and just missing the tournament.
No one is doing that.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 09, 2026, 09:28:02 PMHe put one of the worst teams in MU history on the floor. This wasn't just a "bad" season. I can't believe some people want to equate this past season to being on the bubble and just missing the tournament.
You complain as if this season has wrought irrevocable damage on the future of Marquette basketball. Literally no one other than those on Scoop really know or care about how historically bad this season was. It'd be another thing if Shaka decided to stubbornly do things the exact same way and lead us to another terrible season. But he's clearly changing the approach, and the reality is no one will care about how bad last season was as long as next year turns out well.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 09, 2026, 10:38:43 PMYou complain as if this season has wrought irrevocable damage on the future of Marquette basketball. Literally no one other than those on Scoop really know or care about how historically bad this season was.
You need to talk to more fans if you think Scoopers are the only people who care how historically bad the season was.
QuoteIt'd be another thing if Shaka decided to stubbornly do things the exact same way and lead us to another terrible season. But he's clearly changing the approach
Let's wait a bit before deciding whether he's clearly changing the approach.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 09, 2026, 09:39:00 PM::)
Wojoish thought pattern.
Right. Because Wojo's career at Marquette was
so much like Shaka's.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 09, 2026, 10:42:45 PMLet's wait a bit before deciding whether he's clearly changing the approach.
If Shaka opting to use the portal doesn't represent a change to you, then I don't know what to tell you.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 09, 2026, 10:50:43 PMIf Shaka opting to use the portal doesn't represent a change to you, then I don't know what to tell you.
Did I miss a big anouncement?
And even if/when he uses the portal, it's going to matter what kind of players he adds. If he's adding immediate starters, then that would represent a change.
Backups? Projects? Meh. More of the same.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 09, 2026, 10:25:30 PMYou don't keep an underperforming coach for fear of losing a player. That's very shortsighted. Did UNC worry about losing players when they fired Hubert Davis?
I don't think missing the tournament again costs Shaka his job, but another losing season probably should. And if he has back-to-back losing seasons with Nigel, why would you believe he couldn't have a third?
Some advice: check your assumptions.
You're assuming that what I'm saying is, "if next year is as poor as this season was, keeping NJ should take precedence over finding a new coach". Not only do I completely disagree with that, but I'm not saying that at all, because frankly, I don't think we'll be in that bad of a situation to begin with. I expect us to be a competitive bubble team that benefits from a rising NJ, hence why I said it wouldn't make sense to fire Shaka and therefore risk losing a player and team headed in the right direction, solely due to the black-and-white basis of missing the tournament which Zog insists on.
https://x.com/i/status/2042559363580043434
Quote from: Pakuni on April 09, 2026, 11:10:32 PMDid I miss a big anouncement?
And even if/when he uses the portal, it's going to matter what kind of players he adds. If he's adding immediate starters, then that would represent a change.
Backups? Projects? Meh. More of the same.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 09, 2026, 10:25:30 PMYou don't keep an underperforming coach for fear of losing a player. That's very shortsighted. Did UNC worry about losing players when they fired Hubert Davis?
This makes the exact opposite point in my opinion.
1. I fully support Shaka based on his overall success at MU.
2. MU isn't UNC. They can't fire Shaka, and drop bags and blue chip status on transfers.
3. If UNC wanted Malone, why didn't they do it immediately. They had to wait to get turned down from everyone else first.
So who is this coach that is going to replace Shaka and come in and bag a bunch of high skilled transfers next year at MU given where our NIL spend is at compared to others?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 10, 2026, 06:32:38 AMhttps://x.com/i/status/2042559363580043434
He was born in 2002. Just thought I'd throw that out there for anyone getting ready to complain that he is a Freshman.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 10, 2026, 06:53:08 AMThis makes the exact opposite point in my opinion.
1. I fully support Shaka based on his overall success at MU.
2. MU isn't UNC. They can't fire Shaka, and drop bags and blue chip status on transfers.
3. If UNC wanted Malone, why didn't they do it immediately. They had to wait to get turned down from everyone else first.
So who is this coach that is going to replace Shaka and come in and bag a bunch of high skilled transfers next year at MU given where our NIL spend is at compared to others?
Keeping a failing coach - and consecutive losing seasons at Marquette is a failure - because you're afraid of who you can get to replace him is a loser mindset. Losing is better than the unknown, I guess.
And if you don't trust your AD to find a coach that can win, then you should probably fire him, too.
What's our NIL spend compared to others? Which others? Names and numbers, please.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 09, 2026, 10:50:43 PMIf Shaka opting to use the portal doesn't represent a change to you, then I don't know what to tell you.
It depends on how Shaka uses the Portal. Is he doing it by choice? Is he going into is half-hearted and only looking for players who won't play over his RGV poster boys, Hamilton and Clark?
"But look, he used the Portal" isn't enough to calm the concerns many of us have about the trajectory of the program.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 10, 2026, 07:24:01 AMHe was born in 2002. Just thought I'd throw that out there for anyone getting ready to complain that he is a Freshman.
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Quote from: K1 Lover on April 09, 2026, 09:02:13 PMI find it amusing that a coach can firmly make the NCAA tournament in each of his first four years at a program (with a record of 3-4), but miss it once due to a bad season, and fans will immediately turn to saying that coach should be fired if he misses the tournament a second year in a row.
since 1/1/25 Shaka has coached MU to not even .500 ball. 5 or 6 games under, actually. Bad trend to end 24/25 with 25/26 historically bad. Yeah, suck in 26/27 he should be gone. As I'm sure you agree, this level of pro ball is a win now era like never before...losing places you in that out of sight out of mind camp, especially taking into account the $ involved...and quite frankly, why pay a HC $4M per to lose? A lot of programs would have let Shaka walk after our last game this season. At MU, he gets 26/27 to bounce back. Miss the tourney again next season, would you want him back? If so, why?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 10, 2026, 08:11:00 AMIt depends on how Shaka uses the Portal. Is he doing it by choice? Is he going into is half-hearted and only looking for players who won't play over his RGV poster boys, Hamilton and Clark?
"But look, he used the Portal" isn't enough to calm the concerns many of us have about the trajectory of the program.
This is my primary concern as well. Until we see what we've got in the next couple of weeks, I'm going to withhold crucifixion or praise.
Say it with me guys:
5 weeks to judge.
I am operating under the assumptions that MU's budget to pay the players on the men's basketball team is in the $15 million neighborhood. Based on what appear to be market rates, as listed in that X post, I assume MU has between 6 and 7 million tied up in NJ, AS, and Royce. I assume the other returnees and incoming freshmen account for another 4-5 million. To me, that math means that MU has between 3 and 5 million available for the 3 remaining spots.
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on April 10, 2026, 08:13:26 AM(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT7H-ehXlsl675PN-PxzMeBRnAD6LenEH0UNQ&s)
Transfers are too old.
That's what I love about these high school recruits, man. I get older, they stay the same age.
Quote from: tower912 on April 10, 2026, 08:20:29 AMI am operating under the assumptions that MU's budget to pay the players on the men's basketball team is in the $15 million neighborhood. Based on what appear to be market rates, as listed in that X post, I assume MU has between 6 and 7 million tied up in NJ, AS, and Royce. I assume the other returnees and incoming freshmen account for another 4-5 million. To me, that math means that MU has between 3 and 5 million available for the 3 remaining spots.
*I do not know what's real
But... those numbers seem high to me. If MU is paying players $15M, we should be competing for a natty.
I don't see how many other schools could/would be doing this. I think your numbers are off. (But I don't know - it's just me being rationale/reasonable).
Could that Tomislav Buljan play the 5 for us? Seems like a very similar player to a Royce. Was initially thinking we would reach for a true center but maybe playing 2 PF would work with Shaka's offense. Thoughts??
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 10, 2026, 06:32:38 AMhttps://x.com/i/status/2042559363580043434
Yep, that'd be a solid pickup. That's a grown man that excels at rebounding, and bullying his way to the bucket. Top 5 Offensive rebounder in the country last year. Count me in.
Good primer: https://youtu.be/dyV6ihzW6c4?si=3XsC22dq1SwIoLE7
You being rationale? Love that typo. I think it is a free market wild west out there. I think the numbers in that X post are legit. I think because of that, MU's budget is twice what I was told it was last year. I think Broeker has raised most of it, because I am told the university is not giving anywhere near the permitted number. I believe Pitino, I believe other coaches, that a minimum $12 million is needed to stay competitive.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 10, 2026, 08:11:00 AMIt depends on how Shaka uses the Portal. Is he doing it by choice? Is he going into is half-hearted and only looking for players who won't play over his RGV poster boys, Hamilton and Clark?
"But look, he used the Portal" isn't enough to calm the concerns many of us have about the trajectory of the program.
If anyone think Shaka is in the portal only looking for players who won't play over the guys that were factors in such an awful season you're delusional.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 10, 2026, 07:24:01 AMHe was born in 2002. Just thought I'd throw that out there for anyone getting ready to complain that he is a Freshman.
Not good enough. Would hate this.
Us and Iowa seem to be the two schools most in on Fru "but he wants too much money". Hoping McKeever chooses Iowa so we have some leverage.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 10, 2026, 08:39:15 AMIf anyone think Shaka is in the portal only looking for players who won't play over the guys that were factors in such an awful season you're delusional.
Disagree. I have no reason to believe Shaka cares about winning and keeping his job. Nobody wants to work nowadays
Quote from: onepost on April 10, 2026, 08:45:23 AMUs and Iowa seem to be the two schools most in on Fru "but he wants too much money". Hoping McKeever chooses Iowa so we have some leverage.
Appreciate the info, do you mind sharing if this is an MU source or from elsewhere?
Fru would be my priority based on players we've been linked with.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 10, 2026, 08:48:35 AMAppreciate the info, do you mind sharing if this is an MU source or from elsewhere?
Fru would be an incredible get and someone worth shelling out cash for.
Sorry, should have clarified.
For a couple weeks my Fru insight was from a buddy close to the staff. This was Trilly Donovan finally speaking on Fru.
Sorry, I lost track of everyone. Who is Fru? Which school is he transferring from?
Someone on X says Certa is visiting us this weekend.
Quote from: onepost on April 10, 2026, 08:45:23 AMUs and Iowa seem to be the two schools most in on Fru "but he wants too much money". Hoping McKeever chooses Iowa so we have some leverage.
I wonder what Trilly thinks is too much. I would pay a lot for Fru personally. Top 30 in OR%, top 75 in Blk%, #2 in the nation on 2P% with 162 attempts? All for a top 25 team? Yes please.
Quote from: swoopem on April 10, 2026, 09:14:04 AMSorry, I lost track of everyone. Who is Fru? Which school is he transferring from?
Sananda Fru. He was Louiville's center last year. Originally from Germany.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/sananda-fru-1.html
Quote from: swoopem on April 10, 2026, 09:14:04 AMSorry, I lost track of everyone. Who is Fru? Which school is he transferring from?
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Used to be on RHCP during the Rick Rubin era.
The Buljan kid from New Mexico would do the trick! That is STEEP competition though. MSU, Auburn, Cincinnati, and deep-pocketed Texas Tech all in the mix...
I'd rather have Sananda Fru from Louisville.
Either way I'd like the portal big man to be older, probably a 1-year rental.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 10, 2026, 08:11:00 AMIt depends on how Shaka uses the Portal. Is he doing it by choice? Is he going into is half-hearted and only looking for players who won't play over his RGV poster boys, Hamilton and Clark?
"But look, he used the Portal" isn't enough to calm the concerns many of us have about the trajectory of the program.
I think his hand was forced this year to use the portal, but he also realized it was necessary. Wasn't hard for anyone to see.
The true test will be in a year when it's less obvious. For example, in Kam's senior year he should have portaled over a few decent existing players for better ones. Are we going to go right back to no portal after having some success and go back to betting on unproven players or will there be more urgency in putting the best possible team together for a given season going forward? Sure hope it's the latter.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 10, 2026, 09:24:12 AMI wonder what Trilly thinks is too much. I would pay a lot for Fru personally. Top 30 in OR%, top 75 in Blk%, #2 in the nation on 2P% with 162 attempts? All for a top 25 team? Yes please.
Yeah, this is the level of player that makes a statement. Dramatically improves our team in our most needed position.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 10, 2026, 09:30:03 AMThe Buljan kid from New Mexico would do the trick! That is STEEP competition though. MSU, Auburn, Cincinnati, and deep-pocketed Texas Tech all in the mix...
I'd rather have Sananda Fru from Louisville.
Either way I'd like the portal big man to be older, probably a 1-year rental.
Not to get greedy, but many sites list Buljan as a PF. There is a world where Fru and Buljan could fit on court together. Given the money factor, highly unlikely but you can always dream.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 10, 2026, 09:24:12 AMI wonder what Trilly thinks is too much. I would pay a lot for Fru personally. Top 30 in OR%, top 75 in Blk%, #2 in the nation on 2P% with 162 attempts? All for a top 25 team? Yes please.
Couldn't agree more, TAMU. Not sure if Trilly thinks it's too much or if the consensus around teams is it's too much. Regardless, thrilled we're one of the teams listed and with Iowa very close with McKeever that's what I'm hoping for today.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 10, 2026, 09:30:03 AMThe Buljan kid from New Mexico would do the trick! That is STEEP competition though. MSU, Auburn, Cincinnati, and deep-pocketed Texas Tech all in the mix...
I'd rather have Sananda Fru from Louisville.
Either way I'd like the portal big man to be older, probably a 1-year rental.
I think Fru could command quite a bit more than Buljan. Like maybe 7 figures more. Fru is quite high on the portal rankings so I'd rather have him but it'll come at a price. Buljan is a very physical guy for his slightly undersized center build.
A couple days ago I heard both Fru AND Kyle Evans could be a possibility.
After seeing Michigan, Arizona, Illinois, etc. trot out monsters all over I would love it, but just landing ONE would be a godsend.
Getting Fru and Buljan both would be incredible, but I personally would rather land one of them and then a Khamenia-type wing so you can spread out the money.
Quote from: onepost on April 10, 2026, 09:41:27 AMA couple days ago I heard both Fru AND Kyle Evans could be a possibility.
After seeing Michigan, Arizona, Illinois, etc. trot out monsters all over I would love it, but just landing ONE would be a godsend.
Getting Fru and Buljan both would be incredible, but I personally would rather land one of them and then a Khamenia-type wing so you can spread out the money.
Geez. Sounds like we might need to make more room. Should be possible.
Quote from: tower912 on April 10, 2026, 08:20:29 AMI am operating under the assumptions that MU's budget to pay the players on the men's basketball team is in the $15 million neighborhood. Based on what appear to be market rates, as listed in that X post, I assume MU has between 6 and 7 million tied up in NJ, AS, and Royce. I assume the other returnees and incoming freshmen account for another 4-5 million. To me, that math means that MU has between 3 and 5 million available for the 3 remaining spots.
I think that's awfully high. UConn, St. John's and PC were three of the four highest spending teams in the BE last year. My guess is Nova or Creighton was #3. St. John's was around $10 million+. MU's athletic department isn't flush with cash either. But maybe they've increased it significantly for the upcoming year.
Quote from: onepost on April 10, 2026, 09:41:27 AMA couple days ago I heard both Fru AND Kyle Evans could be a possibility.
After seeing Michigan, Arizona, Illinois, etc. trot out monsters all over I would love it, but just landing ONE would be a godsend.
Getting Fru and Buljan both would be incredible, but I personally would rather land one of them and then a Khamenia-type wing so you can spread out the money.
How trustworthy is this source? I don't think we need 2 bigs with Sheek Pearson being (on paper) a promising prospect.
A frontcourt of Royce at PF with a starting center of Fru/Evans/McKeever/Buljan will be solid, especially if Sheek is ahead of schedule because of his reclassifying and redshirt year. Sheek can play both PF and C. If Josh can give us good minutes against the 7-footers when we just need tall dudes, that's good depth. We definitely need some heft/height down low so I really hope Josh Clark can become a player.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 10, 2026, 10:07:46 AMHow trustworthy is this source? I don't think we need 2 bigs with Sheek Pearson being (on paper) a promising prospect.
A frontcourt of Royce at PF with a starting center of Fru/Evans/McKeever/Buljan will be solid, especially if Sheek is ahead of schedule because of his reclassifying and redshirt year. Sheek can play both PF and C. If Josh can give us good minutes against the 7-footers when we just need tall dudes, that's good depth. We definitely need some heft/height down low so I really hope Josh Clark can become a player.
As trustworthy as I've got haha, same guy told me Fru was our #1 target 3 weeks ago.
But the Fru-Evans comment was more in passing than some giant statement.
Alvaro Folgueiras in the portal. Played well for Iowa.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 10, 2026, 10:25:44 AMAlvaro Folgueiras in the portal. Played well for Iowa.
But also opens up minutes in Iowa's front court and doesn't really fit Marquette's needs (doesn't rebound well, not a rim protector).
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 10, 2026, 10:25:44 AMAlvaro Folgueiras in the portal. Played well for Iowa.
Anyone got a spare 3-4 mil laying around?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 10, 2026, 10:25:44 AMAlvaro Folgueiras in the portal. Played well for Iowa.
I don't think his position/role should be a priority. We need a starting big man and a combo/backup PG. After that, a wing who can score is never a bad thing.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 10, 2026, 10:34:05 AMAnyone got a spare 3-4 mil laying around?
He didn't start for Iowa so I wonder what the price will be. It does explain why Iowa is in the market for a big.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 10, 2026, 10:36:13 AMHe didn't start for Iowa so I wonder what the price will be. It does explain why Iowa is in the market for a big.
He might not have started for Iowa but he's a 6'10 senior who finished in the top 100 players nationwide last year, per BPR. He's going to get paid.
Quote from: onepost on April 10, 2026, 09:41:27 AMA couple days ago I heard both Fru AND Kyle Evans could be a possibility.
After seeing Michigan, Arizona, Illinois, etc. trot out monsters all over I would love it, but just landing ONE would be a godsend.
Getting Fru and Buljan both would be incredible, but I personally would rather land one of them and then a Khamenia-type wing so you can spread out the money.
This is why I got excited at the idea of adding Punch and Evans. If one of Punch or Royce could really improve their 3 point shooting (and really both would need to improve, but I'm talking be a true threat from 3, and I think Royce is more likely than Punch in that regard), you could have times where Royce/Punch/Evans are all on the court together with Punch likely guarding the opposing 3, Royce the 4, and Evans the 5.
A little less likely to be able to do something like that with Fru, as he's not a 3 point threat whatsoever, but he can play some 4 for sure.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 10, 2026, 10:34:57 AMI don't think his position/role should be a priority. We need a starting big man and a combo/backup PG. After that, a wing who can score is never a bad thing.
No, we need a 6'10" 245lb point forward with elite ball handling skills that can play inside and out. Has to shoot 40% from 3 and can bang down low with the big guys in the big east.
Also, he needs a strong midrange game now that Nevada Smith left for Siena and we are no longer doing analytics.
Also, we need three of these guys.
Am I forgetting anything?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 10, 2026, 10:44:28 AMNo, we need a 6'10" 245lb point forward with elite ball handling skills that can play inside and out. Has to shoot 40% from 3 and can bang down low with the big guys in the big east.
Also, he needs a strong midrange game now that Nevada Smith left for Siena and we are no longer doing analytics.
Also, we need three of these guys.
Am I forgetting anything?
Your pretty spot on actually. Anything to get us to not repeat 12-20!
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 10, 2026, 10:44:28 AMNo, we need a 6'10" 245lb point forward with elite ball handling skills that can play inside and out. Has to shoot 40% from 3 and can bang down low with the big guys in the big east.
Also, he needs a strong midrange game now that Nevada Smith left for Siena and we are no longer doing analytics.
Also, we need three of these guys.
Am I forgetting anything?
They need to be able to guard 1 through 5 with an elite block rate.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 10, 2026, 10:44:28 AMNo, we need a 6'10" 245lb point forward with elite ball handling skills that can play inside and out. Has to shoot 40% from 3 and can bang down low with the big guys in the big east.
Also, he needs a strong midrange game now that Nevada Smith left for Siena and we are no longer doing analytics.
Also, we need three of these guys.
Am I forgetting anything?
This but unironically.
Quote from: MUpugnacity on April 10, 2026, 10:51:24 AMThey need to be able to guard 1 through 5 with an elite block rate.
FT% rate?
Quote from: avid1010 on April 10, 2026, 06:53:08 AMThis makes the exact opposite point in my opinion.
1. I fully support Shaka based on his overall success at MU.
2. MU isn't UNC. They can't fire Shaka, and drop bags and blue chip status on transfers.
3. If UNC wanted Malone, why didn't they do it immediately. They had to wait to get turned down from everyone else first.
So who is this coach that is going to replace Shaka and come in and bag a bunch of high skilled transfers next year at MU given where our NIL spend is at compared to others?
UNC holds itself and its hires to a nearly impossible standard and the search was under a crazy media microscope. They were also going "outside the Tar Heel family" for the first time.
Who could we get? Plenty of successful coaches would be lining up for the job. Shaka left Texas to come to MU. We're in the Big East, this isn't the old GMC or CUSA days.
PJ Haggerty available! 5 teams in 5 years. Him and Will wade will be a great pairing.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 10, 2026, 11:06:00 AMUNC holds itself and its hires to a nearly impossible standard and the search was under a crazy media microscope. They were also going "outside the Tar Heel family" for the first time.
Who could we get? Plenty of successful coaches would be lining up for the job. Shaka left Texas to come to MU. We're in the Big East, this isn't the old GMC or CUSA days.
#FakeNews
Many Scoopers correctly predicted we could never do better than Wojo at a dying program like MU. ;)
I love this feed its just naming dudes not in on
Quote from: jfp61 on April 10, 2026, 11:26:23 AMI love this feed its just naming dudes not in on
But who we really, really want. ;D
Definitely and clearly in on Fru, Buljan, Certa, Evans, and a few others mentioned here. Will we land them? We'll see. There's a lot of competition for guys in the portal.
👑Kralj🏀Tomislav!!! 🇭🇷
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2026, 11:34:00 AMDefinitely and clearly in on Fru, Buljan, Certa, Evans, and a few others mentioned here. Will we land them? We'll see. There's a lot of competition for guys in the portal.
Clearly interested vs. Clearly in on
Quote from: jfp61 on April 10, 2026, 11:45:06 AMClearly interested vs. Clearly in on
From people who clearly know things, Fru's biggest interests are Marquette and Iowa (doesn't mean somebody can't join in on that). Certa is apparently visiting Marquette, not sure why he'd do that if we're not in on him. The report is that Marquette is one of 10 schools that Buljan "has been in contact with." Evans not 100% sure on, but people who have shared good information seem to think we're in on him.
Believe what you want. We're clearly in on some of these guys. Again, tons of competition. There are blue blood programs who currently have one player on their roster for next season. Landing them is a different animal than being in on them, but we're in on some of the names that have been mentioned here.
Certa visit could be true, but it's reported by infamous troll whitesox bill, so...
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2026, 11:49:10 AMFrom people who clearly know things, Fru's biggest interests are Marquette and Iowa (doesn't mean somebody can't join in on that). Certa is apparently visiting Marquette, not sure why he'd do that if we're not in on him. The report is that Marquette is one of 10 schools that Buljan "has been in contact with." Evans not 100% sure on, but people who have shared good information seem to think we're in on him.
Believe what you want. We're clearly in on some of these guys. Again, tons of competition. There are blue blood programs who currently have one player on their roster for next season. Landing them is a different animal than being in on them, but we're in on some of the names that have been mentioned here.
Meh, it seems a lot more like no one knows whats going on. 6 MILLION for Nigel, would be surprised if Shaka was still around after march. ETC. Best not to read to far into these things.
https://bleacherreport.com/articles/25416295-dan-hurley-talks-braylon-mullins-nba-draft-decision-would-probably-make-more-money-uconn
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 07:47:04 PMYou neglected to mention what Oso and Kam were like as freshmen.
He wasn't old enough to remember them!
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 10, 2026, 12:31:06 PMhttps://bleacherreport.com/articles/25416295-dan-hurley-talks-braylon-mullins-nba-draft-decision-would-probably-make-more-money-uconn
Pick 15 is worth 22M over 4 years with around 9.5m of that being guaranteed.
I dont see Hurley being correct on this one.
https://www.on3.com/sites/tiger-illustrated/news/coveted-portal-sharpshooter-set-to-visit-clemson-basketball/
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 10, 2026, 12:44:51 PMPick 15 is worth 22M over 4 years with around 9.5m of that being guaranteed.
I dont see Hurley being correct on this one.
It also disregards the notion that Mullins would delay the start of his NBA clock, thus getting into free agency sooner and his ability to max out his career earnings.
Mullins returning to UConn is what is best for UConn; Mullins entering the NBA and starting his clock is what is best for Mullins.
https://x.com/theportalreport/status/2042662013692690437?s=61
https://www.instagram.com/p/DWpDjrZkVNK/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/DWpDjrZkVNK/)
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Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2026, 11:49:10 AMFrom people who clearly know things, Fru's biggest interests are Marquette and Iowa (doesn't mean somebody can't join in on that). Certa is apparently visiting Marquette, not sure why he'd do that if we're not in on him. The report is that Marquette is one of 10 schools that Buljan "has been in contact with." Evans not 100% sure on, but people who have shared good information seem to think we're in on him.
Fru: No
Certa: they like, but he is visiting clemson
Buljan: one of ten (who cares until there is movement)
Evans: No
Quote from: lalumiere's architect on April 10, 2026, 01:13:31 PMhttps://www.instagram.com/p/DWpDjrZkVNK/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/DWpDjrZkVNK/)
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that very much goes against the notion of prices being thrown around here. And if thats the "too expensive" cost... Then were way off.
Interesting announcement, given that Reed's minutes become available and Riebe seemingly is next man up. Did Hurley line up a blockbuster transfer to leapfrog him?
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/2042669336641339399
Quote from: MuMark on April 10, 2026, 01:12:49 PMhttps://x.com/theportalreport/status/2042662013692690437?s=61
This young man has a good agent, or all these schools are very desperate for bigs.
Quote from: The Equalizer on April 10, 2026, 01:32:20 PMInteresting announcement, given that Reed's minutes become available and Riebe seemingly is next man up. Did Hurley line up a blockbuster transfer to leapfrog him?
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/2042669336641339399
He was unplayable in the tournament
Quote from: jfp61 on April 10, 2026, 01:34:25 PMThis young man has a good agent, or all these schools are very desperate for bigs.
too be fair, Marquette is desperate for a plug and play big.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 10, 2026, 01:34:25 PMThis young man has a good agent, or all these schools are very desperate for bigs.
He can just throw out names, there is nothing wrong with lying on the internet.
Playing smaller schools and forcing them to panic and overpay is absolutely part of the game here.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 10, 2026, 01:22:49 PMFru: No
Certa: they like, but he is visiting clemson
Buljan: one of ten (who cares until there is movement)
Evans: No
I'm going to go ahead and say the people reporting on Fru know more than you do.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 10, 2026, 01:34:25 PMThis young man has a good agent, or all these schools are very desperate for bigs.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 10, 2026, 01:38:31 PMHe can just throw out names, there is nothing wrong with lying on the internet.
Playing smaller schools and forcing them to panic and overpay is absolutely part of the game here.
A couple things...
It doesn't specify
when he "received interest". It might have been years ago. On a related note, I learned years ago that some people have a
really broad definition of the phrase "received interest". I dealt with many people when my daughter was being recruited who considered getting camp emails as "receiving interest".
UConn's Eric Riebe in the portal
7'0" 225 -- 3 years of eligibility
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 10, 2026, 01:45:57 PMA couple things...
It doesn't specify when he "received interest". It might have been years ago. On a related note, I learned years ago that some people have a really broad definition of the phrase "received interest". I dealt with many people when my daughter was being recruited who considered getting camp emails as "receiving interest".
Ahhh the good old, my daughter received interest from Marquette, Wisconsin, Depaul, Northwestern, annnnnnd St louis. Okay bud, why did your daughter go play at Uw Superior then?
Fun times those were.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on April 10, 2026, 01:45:57 PMA couple things...
It doesn't specify when he "received interest". It might have been years ago. On a related note, I learned years ago that some people have a really broad definition of the phrase "received interest". I dealt with many people when my daughter was being recruited who considered getting camp emails as "receiving interest".
Yep. And not to mention that there are probably 40 guys that Kentucky has had contact with. That doesn't mean there was any real interest, just plans and plans within plans.
Quote from: tsciii on April 10, 2026, 01:46:39 PMUConn's Eric Riebe in the portal
7'0" 225 -- 3 years of eligibility
I wouldn't be unhappy with this. Yes he struggled in the tournament but was a freshman going against elete comp..
Former top 50 recruit. Better than ham
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 10, 2026, 01:31:09 PMthat very much goes against the notion of prices being thrown around here. And if thats the "too expensive" cost... Then were way off.
Feeling pretty accurate with my numbers.
No idea what the actual market is in terms of real dollars, but let's talk about some hypotheticals.
If onepost is correct, and Marquette is paying Nigel James $3 million dollars, we can build a rough estimate based on catch-all analytics.
I will use BPR in my example. Nigel James had a BPR last season of +4.99. If he truly is valued at $3 million, then Fru, with a BPR of +5.68, would be worth about $3.4 million.
If MU was willing to pay a 10% premium based on position scarcity and roster need for a starting C, Fru could be worth about $3.75 million.
These numbers fall within the reported $3-4 million range for starting a C. Again, no idea if that's the true market rate, but these hypothetical numbers do line up.
Marquette could afford him at that price, but it would limit what else they could bring in.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 10, 2026, 02:08:37 PMNo idea what the actual market is in terms of real dollars, but let's talk about some hypotheticals.
If onepost is correct, and Marquette is paying Nigel James $3 million dollars, we can build a rough estimate based on catch-all analytics.
I will use BPR in my example. Nigel James had a BPR last season of +4.99. If he truly is valued at $3 million, then Fru, with a BPR of +5.68, would be worth about $3.4 million.
If MU was willing to pay a 10% premium based on position scarcity and roster need for a starting C, Fru could be worth about $3.75 million.
These numbers fall within the reported $3-4 million range for starting a C. Again, no idea if that's the true market rate, but these hypothetical numbers do line up.
The number thrown around from onepost to Nigel was 6m. 3m was the "loyalty" price that's speculated as well.
Others have posted articles with the expected cost of bigs at 5-6m. We were told Fru was asking for a high amount of money.
If that newest post of Fru asking for 3m is correct, then the rest are way off.
Or that post is way off. A complete guessing game at this point.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 10, 2026, 02:08:37 PMAgain, no idea if that's the true market rate, but these hypothetical numbers do line up.
most of these numbers are fake. Kam was our first 7 figure player through the NIL. But on3 reported his NIL at 1.7.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2026, 02:11:57 PMMarquette could afford him at that price, but it would limit what else they could bring in.
Yep, I dont see many people going for as high as everyone is claiming. If Nigel is currently sitting at 3m, that's 20% of the total 15m budget thats been speculated, on one dude. Not leaving much for depth of we grab another guy for 3-4m
Quote from: jfp61 on April 10, 2026, 02:12:29 PMmost of these numbers are fake. Kam was our first 7 figure player through the NIL. But on3 reported his NIL at 1.7.
If numbers were truly as high as being reported, I'm sure we're going to see reports of players forgoing the NBA for higher pay. Obviously this isn't going to include superstars whose earning potentials will skyrocket in the NBA. But those middling players who might not even get the 2nd half of the rookie contract? This amount of money could draw them back to college.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 10, 2026, 02:13:57 PMYep, I dont see many people going for as high as everyone is claiming. If Nigel is currently sitting at 3m, that's 20% of the total 15m budget thats been speculated, on one dude. Not leaving much for depth of we grab another guy for 3-4m
Yes, like the Brewers, like you in your personal budgeting, NFL with a hard salary cap, priorities and choices matter and have consquences.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 10, 2026, 02:13:57 PMYep, I dont see many people going for as high as everyone is claiming. If Nigel is currently sitting at 3m, that's 20% of the total 15m budget thats been speculated, on one dude. Not leaving much for depth of we grab another guy for 3-4m
Not my source and I don't know who the actual source is, but I have a friend who's been on Maui Invite trips who said he's got a good source and said something similar about the number Nigel is getting.
Not sure on other players. If Nigel is getting about $3MM, I'd imagine Stevens and Royce are getting a solid amount, but I'm guessing guys below that are lower than what some think.
But all of these numbers should be taken somewhat with a grain of salt. Even very close sources could get inaccurate information.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 10, 2026, 02:13:57 PMYep, I dont see many people going for as high as everyone is claiming. If Nigel is currently sitting at 3m, that's 20% of the total 15m budget thats been speculated, on one dude. Not leaving much for depth of we grab another guy for 3-4m
I mean, who knows, but proven, veteran quarterbacks are getting $4-6 million. That makes it hard to imagine less-than-elite basketball players commanding $3-4 million.
Players are not going pro, choosing to stay in school. Suing for 5th and 6th years of eligibility rather than go to the league or to Europe. European professionals are coming to play college ball and be 22 year old freshmen. And people are skeptical about the exorbitant numbers being accurate.
Quote from: tower912 on April 10, 2026, 02:25:54 PMAnd people are skeptical about the exorbitant numbers being accurate.
Yes.
Minessale in the portal
Quote from: tower912 on April 10, 2026, 02:25:54 PMPlayers are not going pro, choosing to stay in school. Suing for 5th and 6th years of eligibility rather than go to the league or to Europe. European professionals are coming to play college ball and be 22 year old freshmen. And people are skeptical about the exorbitant numbers being accurate.
Well yes, most players aren't making huge cash in Europe. This is strictly an NBA vs college thing.
It's clear a bunch of young players are forgoing the Europe scene and tagging as long as possible to the college one.
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2042686932551958724?s=46&t=XcHvMHlRF0oCgzQY_T0_eg
Us and Wisco
UConn's Eric Reibe is in the portal. Kinda wild he'd want to leave when he's practically slated to start next year at the same program that's developed Clingan and Reed. But with the bag being offered these days, I don't blame him.
Edit: disregard, just saw someone else beat me to it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 10, 2026, 01:49:38 PMYep. And not to mention that there are probably 40 guys that Kentucky has had contact with. That doesn't mean there was any real interest, just plans and plans within plans.
Concepts of a plan
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 10, 2026, 02:08:37 PMNo idea what the actual market is in terms of real dollars, but let's talk about some hypotheticals.
If onepost is correct, and Marquette is paying Nigel James $3 million dollars, we can build a rough estimate based on catch-all analytics.
I will use BPR in my example. Nigel James had a BPR last season of +4.99. If he truly is valued at $3 million, then Fru, with a BPR of +5.68, would be worth about $3.4 million.
If MU was willing to pay a 10% premium based on position scarcity and roster need for a starting C, Fru could be worth about $3.75 million.
These numbers fall within the reported $3-4 million range for starting a C. Again, no idea if that's the true market rate, but these hypothetical numbers do line up.
Enjoy!
https://collegebasketballportal.com/
Quote from: tower912 on April 10, 2026, 02:25:54 PMPlayers are not going pro, choosing to stay in school. Suing for 5th and 6th years of eligibility rather than go to the league or to Europe. European professionals are coming to play college ball and be 22 year old freshmen. And people are skeptical about the exorbitant numbers being accurate.
Have you seen what G-league and Euroleague players earn?
Quote from: onepost on April 10, 2026, 02:34:29 PMhttps://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2042686932551958724?s=46&t=XcHvMHlRF0oCgzQY_T0_eg
Us and Wisco
Would not hate getting the portal ball rolling with him.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 10, 2026, 08:38:19 AMYep, that'd be a solid pickup. That's a grown man that excels at rebounding, and bullying his way to the bucket. Top 5 Offensive rebounder in the country last year. Count me in.
Good primer: https://youtu.be/dyV6ihzW6c4?si=3XsC22dq1SwIoLE7
runs well in a pnr. physical. yeah, I'd be happy with him signing here
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 10, 2026, 03:01:24 PMWould not hate getting the portal ball rolling with him.
Now that he's officially in the portal I expect us to officially pursue.
#GoodGuys #DoingItTheRightWay #DustyMayIsACrook
Am I crazy in thinking Minessale has some similarities to Kolek? Stud at a lower level, played off the ball, get in the passing lanes defensively, both good passers for off ball players.
Kolek was a better shooter and passer coming into Marquette, Minessale is a better athlete and gets to the line a lot more. I'd expect Kolek to have been a much better passer at the high major level, and Kolek did it at a higher level than Minessale has so far, but Minessale was a bigger scorer and averaged almost double the assists that Kolek did his freshman year.
And, of course, they're both white guards.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 10, 2026, 02:34:19 PMWell yes, most players aren't making huge cash in Europe. This is strictly an NBA vs college thing.
It's clear a bunch of young players are forgoing the Europe scene and tagging as long as possible to the college one.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 10, 2026, 02:59:21 PMHave you seen what G-league and Euroleague players earn?
I mean, I always found it a bit silly, but pre-NIL really getting going, there were always a surprising number of guys, MU alum included, who were choosing to play in the G League verses Europe. Granted they weren't going to be making high six figures playing for Real Madrid or Panathanikos, but they were firmly in the top 4-5 Western European league caliber who chose to make well under half what they would to be closer to home and/or NBA adjacent scouts.
So it's not even remotely surprising that guys well under that level are trying to stay in college for as long as possible, even if they are a $200K a year kind of player.
Quote from: JWags85 on April 10, 2026, 03:20:14 PMI mean, I always found it a bit silly, but pre-NIL really getting going, there were always a surprising number of guys, MU alum included, who were choosing to play in the G League verses Europe. Granted they weren't going to be making high six figures playing for Real Madrid or Panathanikos, but they were firmly in the top 4-5 Western European league caliber who chose to make well under half what they would to be closer to home and/or NBA adjacent scouts.
So it's not even remotely surprising that guys well under that level are trying to stay in college for as long as possible, even if they are a $200K a year kind of player.
Another thing to consider in the G League vs Europe discussion is that all it takes is one 10-day call up to earn an extra $100K by staying stateside.
https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2042700385337438500?s=20
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2026, 03:15:19 PMAm I crazy in thinking Minessale has some similarities to Kolek? Stud at a lower level, played off the ball, get in the passing lanes defensively, both good passers for off ball players.
Kolek was a better shooter and passer coming into Marquette, Minessale is a better athlete and gets to the line a lot more. I'd expect Kolek to have been a much better passer at the high major level, and Kolek did it at a higher level than Minessale has so far, but Minessale was a bigger scorer and averaged almost double the assists that Kolek did his freshman year.
And, of course, they're both white guards.
Definitely not too crazy. I think Minessale is easier to project than a lot of others looking to make the transfer jump up to P5 just because he already does so many role player things well. He isnt just a high volume scorer who will struggle to fit into a smaller role.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 10, 2026, 03:27:17 PMhttps://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/2042700385337438500?s=20
Nothing like a 23 year old sophomore who played professionally overseas.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2026, 03:36:47 PMNothing like a 23 year old sophomore who played professionally overseas.
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If MU wants Minessale I'd be shocked if they don't get him ...
He's from an MU family. He and all his sibs / cousins are MUHS or DHSA students and idk if they have season tickets, but
I've seen his parents and other relatives at MU games many times.
He'd be a great add. Can do multiple things... 20 pts per game, boards, assists
and very athletic
Quote from: Mu8891 on April 10, 2026, 04:29:03 PMIf MU wants Minessale I'd be shocked if they don't get him ...
He's from an MU family. He and all his sibs / cousins are MUHS or DHSA students and idk if they have season tickets, but
I've seen his parents and other relatives at MU games many times.
He'd be a great add. Can do multiple things... 20 pts per game, boards, assists
and very athletic
I would think Marquette would have a great chance, but a TON of MUHS/DSHA kids go to Madison, too.
Wades - True. But I'd describe the
Minessales as an " MU Family "
Looking firward to the Minessale saga to be put to bed one way or another. Wouldn't say no to even a poor-man's Kolek if that comparison holds any weight.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 10, 2026, 04:59:00 PMLooking firward to the Minessale saga to be put to bed one way or another. Wouldn't say no to even a poor-man's Kolek if that comparison holds any weight.
What saga?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2026, 04:38:58 PMI would think Marquette would have a great chance, but a TON of MUHS/DSHA kids go to Madison, too.
Just the pagans.
https://x.com/dushawnlondon1/status/2042724333462651293?s=61
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2026, 05:01:15 PMWhat saga?
Presumably his family ran Marquette's cafeterias back in my day.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 10, 2026, 05:07:07 PMPresumably his family ran Marquette's cafeterias back in my day.
And employed my wife and I so that we could earn beer money
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 10, 2026, 05:07:07 PMPresumably his family ran Marquette's cafeterias back in my day.
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Quote from: MuMark on April 10, 2026, 05:05:14 PMhttps://x.com/dushawnlondon1/status/2042724333462651293?s=61
That one surprises me.
I have been told it's either MU or Iowa St., with Bond going to Iowa St there is more playing time available at MU!
Quote from: jfp61 on April 10, 2026, 11:26:23 AMI love this feed its just naming dudes not in on
The thread is titled "2026 Transfer Portal." It exists for Scoopers to talk about anything and everything to do with the national transfer scene.
We are Marquette folks, so we are mainly talking about stuff having to do with our alma mater ... but I hope, dear sir, that you'll allow all of us to discuss all transfer portal news. Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Bidunga is commanding $5 million (reportedly). He's the top-rated portal prospect and a first-round pick if he declared for the draft. Let's put to bed the idea that Nigel is getting $6 million. MAYBE half of that.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2026, 03:15:19 PMAm I crazy in thinking Minessale has some similarities to Kolek? Stud at a lower level, played off the ball, get in the passing lanes defensively, both good passers for off ball players.
Kolek was a better shooter and passer coming into Marquette, Minessale is a better athlete and gets to the line a lot more. I'd expect Kolek to have been a much better passer at the high major level, and Kolek did it at a higher level than Minessale has so far, but Minessale was a bigger scorer and averaged almost double the assists that Kolek did his freshman year.
And, of course, they're both white guards.
nothing wrong with an Exciting White
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2026, 03:36:47 PMNothing like a 23 year old sophomore who played professionally overseas.
Gard's kind of playa, hey
Quote from: wadesworld on April 10, 2026, 03:15:19 PMAm I crazy in thinking Minessale has some similarities to Kolek? Stud at a lower level, played off the ball, get in the passing lanes defensively, both good passers for off ball players.
Kolek was a better shooter and passer coming into Marquette, Minessale is a better athlete and gets to the line a lot more. I'd expect Kolek to have been a much better passer at the high major level, and Kolek did it at a higher level than Minessale has so far, but Minessale was a bigger scorer and averaged almost double the assists that Kolek did his freshman year.
And, of course, they're both white guards.
There's quite a big difference in league level vs Kolek. The Summit was the 22nd rated league this year, vs the 7th.
Minessale will need to be able to shoot it at a higher level from 3.
Given that Minessale's career 3-point percentage is 30.8% - including 30.6% last season on 4.2 attempts per game - it would probably be foolish to expect him to be a good long-range shooter for his next team.
Of course, Kolek went from 28% as a sophomore to 40% as a junior ... so I guess we (or some other fanbase) will get to see how much like TK he is. (At least in that department.)
Quote from: MU82 on April 10, 2026, 08:03:06 PMGiven that Minessale's career 3-point percentage is 30.8% - including 30.6% last season on 4.2 attempts per game - it would probably be foolish to expect him to be a good long-range shooter for his next team.
He didn't have NJ penetrating & dishing dimes for a wide open look! C'mon over, NM!!
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 10, 2026, 06:51:12 PMBidunga is commanding $5 million (reportedly). He's the top-rated portal prospect and a first-round pick if he declared for the draft. Let's put to bed the idea that Nigel is getting $6 million. MAYBE half of that.
Nobody has said Nigel is getting $6 million.
Were we not "top 45ish" ???
Quote from: Zog from Margo link=msg=1806826 date=1775788082He put one of the worst teams in MU history on the floor. This wasn't just a "bad" season. I can't believe some people want to equate this past season to being on the bubble and just missing the tournament.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 10, 2026, 07:43:27 PMThere's quite a big difference in league level vs Kolek. The Summit was the 22nd rated league this year, vs the 7th.
Minessale will need to be able to shoot it at a higher level from 3.
Thanks. I covered all of that in my post.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 10, 2026, 05:28:54 PMI have been told it's either MU or Iowa St., with Bond going to Iowa St there is more playing time available at MU!
it was always iowa state
Quote from: jfp61 on April 10, 2026, 09:20:37 PMit was always iowa state
Dis guy knows everything. Who is Marquette going to land?
Iowa st signed Grey, Wiggins, and now Bond. Have Bateman as well. Is there playing time for him? Or is it just the money?
Thought ISU didn't have any money and TJO would head elsewhere
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 10, 2026, 09:34:32 PMThought ISU didn't have any money and TJO would head elsewhere
...Scoop your source? 😂
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 10, 2026, 05:07:07 PMPresumably his family ran Marquette's cafeterias back in my day.
Winner.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 10, 2026, 09:34:32 PMThought ISU didn't have any money and TJO would head elsewhere
They literally had an announcement that they'd be massively increasing their funding. It's why TJO stayed.
At the level they were going, it wasn't going to be enough and they'd have probably lost him.
Sometimes the world changes.
Quote from: MU82 on April 10, 2026, 08:03:06 PMGiven that Minessale's career 3-point percentage is 30.8% - including 30.6% last season on 4.2 attempts per game - it would probably be foolish to expect him to be a good long-range shooter for his next team.
Of course, Kolek went from 28% as a sophomore to 40% as a junior ... so I guess we (or some other fanbase) will get to see how much like TK he is. (At least in that department.)
However Kolek also shot 37% from 3 as a freshman. He just had a really rough shooting transition year that sophomore year. I agree Minessale's not gonna be a weapon from deep.
I was not keen on adding him when people talked about him last offseason cause a 6'5 SG that can't shoot the 3 well doesn't excite me in a a higher level league than the Summit. But he had a really nice year and the team could use another proven scorer, so if he could give 10-12 a night on near 60% EFG, that could work
Quote from: withoutbias on April 10, 2026, 09:29:40 PMDis guy knows everything. Who is Marquette going to land?
not leon bond who was going to iowa state
Fru and Nigel following one another on Insta
Quote from: onepost on April 10, 2026, 11:31:30 PMFru and Nigel following one another on Insta
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Quote from: JWags85 on April 10, 2026, 10:03:52 PMHowever Kolek also shot 37% from 3 as a freshman. He just had a really rough shooting transition year that sophomore year. I agree Minessale's not gonna be a weapon from deep.
I was not keen on adding him when people talked about him last offseason cause a 6'5 SG that can't shoot the 3 well doesn't excite me in a a higher level league than the Summit. But he had a really nice year and the team could use another proven scorer, so if he could give 10-12 a night on near 60% EFG, that could work
You are massively underestimating how much of a problem a 6'5 ball handler is in the college game.
Quote from: onepost on April 10, 2026, 11:31:30 PMFru and Nigel following one another on Insta
Like as of the last couple of days?
Quote from: onepost on April 10, 2026, 11:31:30 PMFru and Nigel following one another on Insta
fine, I'll google him...
Quote from: JWags85 on April 10, 2026, 10:03:52 PMHowever Kolek also shot 37% from 3 as a freshman. He just had a really rough shooting transition year that sophomore year. I agree Minessale's not gonna be a weapon from deep.
I was not keen on adding him when people talked about him last offseason cause a 6'5 SG that can't shoot the 3 well doesn't excite me in a a higher level league than the Summit. But he had a really nice year and the team could use another proven scorer, so if he could give 10-12 a night on near 60% EFG, that could work
We can debate whether Minesale is comparable to Kolek or not. However he is more than likely a better player than the ones he is replacing.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 11, 2026, 07:24:20 AMLike as of the last couple of days?
Yes, NJ & Fru were not following each other as of this past Tuesday.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 11, 2026, 07:59:14 AMWe can debate whether Minesale is comparable to Kolek or not. However he is more than likely a better player than the ones he is replacing.
They're both white. That's why I comp them.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 11, 2026, 08:00:50 AMYes, NJ & Fru were not following each other as of this past Tuesday.
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Nigel will probably follow him to Kansas
NJ also following Kyle Evans
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 10, 2026, 02:08:37 PMNo idea what the actual market is in terms of real dollars, but let's talk about some hypotheticals.
If onepost is correct, and Marquette is paying Nigel James $3 million dollars, we can build a rough estimate based on catch-all analytics.
I will use BPR in my example. Nigel James had a BPR last season of +4.99. If he truly is valued at $3 million, then Fru, with a BPR of +5.68, would be worth about $3.4 million.
If MU was willing to pay a 10% premium based on position scarcity and roster need for a starting C, Fru could be worth about $3.75 million.
These numbers fall within the reported $3-4 million range for starting a C. Again, no idea if that's the true market rate, but these hypothetical numbers do line up.
Remember the movie Money Ball? Rather than a GM, Marquette should hire a statistician. That way we just might get the best bang for the buck when evaluating transfers.
Tired: Flight Tracker
Wired: Instagram Tracker
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 11, 2026, 08:51:43 AMRemember the movie Money Ball? Rather than a GM, Marquette should hire a statistician. That way we just might get the best bang for the buck when evaluating transfers.
Sure, if they have the equivalent of 3 Cy Young winners on the team and an MVP like Miguel Tejada who isn't shown in the movie.
Scratch Buljan off the list.
https://x.com/i/status/2042967898000368101
For anyone dreaming of a TCU transfer, Trilly has Punch out to Texas.
On 3
Tylen Riley took a huge step this season, averaging 15.0 points on 38.9 percent shooting from three for the 30-8 Tulsa team. For his efforts this season, he earned 2nd-Team All-American Conference honors. The 6-foot-3 guard will visit Cincinnati this coming week and is in the process of locking in a date with Ole Miss and Auburn. I am told that Riley will also look to visit Marquette and Maryland.
Quote from: MuMark on April 11, 2026, 11:41:15 AMOn 3
Tylen Riley took a huge step this season, averaging 15.0 points on 38.9 percent shooting from three for the 30-8 Tulsa team. For his efforts this season, he earned 2nd-Team All-American Conference honors. The 6-foot-3 guard will visit Cincinnati this coming week and is in the process of locking in a date with Ole Miss and Auburn. I am told that Riley will also look to visit Marquette and Maryland.
Really intriguing option. Can play PG (30% assist rate), big enough to play SG (6-3 and athletic), excellent 61.2 free throw rate (matters!), and 87% FT shooter (no matta).
Would Riley and Minessale be redundant?
Are we gonna sign anyone we really want? Would be nice to make an early splash instead of watching the most wanted sign elsewhere.
Quote from: drbob on April 11, 2026, 12:26:42 PMAre we gonna sign anyone we really want? Would be nice to make an early splash instead of watching the most wanted sign elsewhere.
No anyone we sign will be someone we don't want...........that's the plan......you figured it out!
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 11, 2026, 08:00:50 AMYes, NJ & Fru were not following each other as of this past Tuesday.
Genuinely how do you know this?? Lol. Follows aren't time-stamped and nor are they listed chronologically, so are you just routinely checking NJ's account and keeping track of all of his follows by hand?
If so, that's wild but I respect the dedication.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 11, 2026, 12:36:31 PMGenuinely how do you know this?? Lol. Follows aren't time-stamped and nor are they listed chronologically, so are you just routinely checking NJ's account and keeping track of all of his follows by hand?
If so, that's wild but I respect the dedication.
There are apps that track when follows were made. I didn't do it, but someone who does shared screenshots with me.
Quote from: drbob on April 11, 2026, 12:26:42 PMAre we gonna sign anyone we really want? Would be nice to make an early splash instead of watching the most wanted sign elsewhere.
Shaka is notorious for not leaking much of anything. Don't misinterpret silence for nothing happening.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 11, 2026, 12:41:22 PMThere are apps that track when follows were made. I didn't do it, but someone who does shared screenshots with me.
I would also be pretty careful interpreting this too much. Nigel hears Fru is a target...Nigel follows Fru...and Fru follows back because that's what happens most of the time.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 11, 2026, 12:46:38 PMI would also be pretty careful interpreting this too much. Nigel hears Fru is a target...Nigel follows Fru...and Fru follows back because that's what happens most of the time.
Sure, but was just answering the question.
FWIW I do think there is value in follows, but more often when it involves support staff. When Allison Kellaher was here, a mutual follow with a recruit was often very telling.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 11, 2026, 12:52:34 PMSure, but was just answering the question.
FWIW I do think there is value in follows, but more often when it involves support staff. When Allison Kellaher was here, a mutual follow with a recruit was often very telling.
This still works you just need to know what account to look at.
Riley may visit.
Quote from: MuMark on April 11, 2026, 12:29:18 PMNo anyone we sign will be someone we don't want...........that's the plan......you figured it out!
NM
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 11, 2026, 12:52:34 PMSure, but was just answering the question.
FWIW I do think there is value in follows, but more often when it involves support staff. When Allison Kellaher was here, a mutual follow with a recruit was often very telling.
Yep. Or if the target follows mubb or something like that.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 11, 2026, 12:55:05 PMThis still works you just need to know what account to look at.
Riley may visit.
We know. That has already been shared here.
Some people here have inside information. It doesn't mean we're definitely going to land someone, but when certain posters say certain things, they usually got it from a source.
You, on the other hand, just shoot them down because chances are higher that any highly sought after recruit/transfer doesn't land here because that's just the way these things are so you can say you're right, and then provide information like you're an insider even though it's information that's been publicly Tweeted by major recruiting resources.
Quote from: MuMark on April 11, 2026, 11:41:15 AMOn 3
Tylen Riley took a huge step this season, averaging 15.0 points on 38.9 percent shooting from three for the 30-8 Tulsa team. For his efforts this season, he earned 2nd-Team All-American Conference honors. The 6-foot-3 guard will visit Cincinnati this coming week and is in the process of locking in a date with Ole Miss and Auburn. I am told that Riley will also look to visit Marquette and Maryland.
Can he backup Nigel at PG?
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 11, 2026, 01:22:28 PMCan he backup Nigel at PG?
Yes. And start next to him, or backup Stevens as well.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 11, 2026, 01:22:28 PMCan he backup Nigel at PG?
Doubt a player with his kind of numbers would want a bigger role than backing up Nigel or Stevens. Could see us playing 3 guards with him being one of them.
Quote from: drbob on April 11, 2026, 12:26:42 PMAre we gonna sign anyone we really want? Would be nice to make an early splash instead of watching the most wanted sign elsewhere.
The Athletic has a ranking of the top 50 players in the portal. 6 (12%) of those players have committed to a new school.
Sure, we all want to see a fun commitment sooner than later but there's nothing to be concerned about. Chill.
Quote from: amgine_MU on April 11, 2026, 01:39:01 PMDoubt a player with his kind of numbers would want a bigger role than backing up Nigel or Stevens. Could see us playing 3 guards with him being one of them.
He wasn't asking if he could strictly be the backup. He was asking if he could take that role when Nigel needed a rest.
Quote from: amgine_MU on April 11, 2026, 01:39:01 PMDoubt a player with his kind of numbers would want a bigger role than backing up Nigel or Stevens. Could see us playing 3 guards with him being one of them.
One hypothetical scenario:
MU lands a starting C, Tylen Riley, and Cole Certa.
PG James
SG Riley
WG Stevens
PF Parham
C Transfer (Fru/Evans/?)
Certa backup SG/WG; 6th man shooter off of the bench.
Owens backup SF/PF; combo forward
Pearson backup PF/C; combo big
Riley plays PG when James rests.
Quote from: withoutbias on April 11, 2026, 01:03:49 PMWe know. That has already been shared here.
Some people here have inside information. It doesn't mean we're definitely going to land someone, but when certain posters say certain things, they usually got it from a source.
You, on the other hand, just shoot them down because chances are higher that any highly sought after recruit/transfer doesn't land here because that's just the way these things are so you can say you're right, and then provide information like you're an insider even though it's information that's been publicly Tweeted by major recruiting resources.
1. This is a Scoop.
2. Don't shoot a messenger.
Leon decided he was going to Iowa state weeks ago.
Are you mad that I don't think this team opts to win the agent bidding war for Fru and Evans? (They still could i just don't think they do it.) Also, there are other factors for one of these guys that i won't get into.
Marquette won't get a chance with Certa until after he visits Clemson.
Minessale i have been silent on since everyone has seen the fit since November. I hope it comes but there hasn't been movement until he entered the portal yesterday.
I was the person that pointed out Tylen Riley 3 days ago.
I was hinting to everyone how that Riley being a target was forecastable.
I am sorry, I am flippant and just type "no" sometimes.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 11, 2026, 01:55:49 PMOne hypothetical scenario:
MU lands a starting C, Tylen Riley, and Cole Certa.
I like it in theory. I don't know if Certa is as real as Riley. Just a gut feeling. Granted we are waiting for both players to take a visit before our visit.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 11, 2026, 01:55:49 PMOne hypothetical scenario:
MU lands a starting C, Tylen Riley, and Cole Certa.
PG James
SG Riley
WG Stevens
PF Parham
C Transfer (Fru/Evans/?)
Certa backup SG/WG; 6th man shooter off of the bench.
Owens backup SF/PF; combo forward
Pearson backup PF/C; combo big
Riley plays PG when James rests.
I'd like to see a bigger starting lineup than that. I'd prefer one of Certa or Riley (preferably the latter) and then either Minessale or Amari Evans, along with Fru or Kyle Evans.
My perfect portal would be a fourth spot opening up and getting Fru plus three of Amari Evans/Riley/Minessale/Kyle Evans (I think in that order).
I don't want anything to do with Certa. He doesn't play D, which will make it hard to get on the floor for Shaka. And if he's coming in strictly as a shooter, I'd want someone who shoots better.
Right now, my hope is Fru & Minessale. In a dream world, add Caedin's buddy Nik Khamenia.
But really, if we get a third, either a guard that can shoot, defend, & play both 1 and 2 or a 4/5 that can play alongside Parham, Fru, or Sheek. Maybe even alongside 2 of the others.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 11, 2026, 01:55:49 PMOne hypothetical scenario:
MU lands a starting C, Tylen Riley, and Cole Certa.
PG James
SG Riley
WG Stevens
PF Parham
C Transfer (Fru/Evans/?)
Certa backup SG/WG; 6th man shooter off of the bench.
Owens backup SF/PF; combo forward
Pearson backup PF/C; combo big
Riley plays PG when James rests.
Would absolutely say yes to Fru and Riley. Certa can shoot but what is the point of having Phillips and Nash Walker?
Riley, Fru and either Minessale or Khamenia would be the best-case scenario for MU this spring.
Might impact some players MU is courting.
https://x.com/TransferPortal/status/2043068042611949682?s=20
Zoom
https://x.com/hitmenhoops/status/2043061389225521419?s=61
The whole Minnesale thing is wild to me. His grandparents and my parents split 4 season tickets for like 30 years. His grandparents would give their tickets to their kids from time to time and they would bring *their* kids, which means I for sure sat next to this kid when he was like 5 at some point for a game.
How was his cross-over dribble back then?
Quote from: MU82 on April 11, 2026, 04:59:50 PMHow was his cross-over dribble back then?
More concerned with his ability to slap fives
Where was he ranked in Wisconsin as a 6th grader?
Quote from: tower912 on April 11, 2026, 05:03:44 PMWhere was he ranked in Wisconsin as a 6th grader?
Well behind BCHoopster's kid, that's for sure.
Quote from: jficke13 on April 11, 2026, 04:56:53 PMThe whole Minnesale thing is wild to me. His grandparents and my parents split 4 season tickets for like 30 years. His grandparents would give their tickets to their kids from time to time and they would bring *their* kids, which means I for sure sat next to this kid when he was like 5 at some point for a game.
How's the neck look up close? When did the family change their name from Minnesale to Minessale?
Quote from: MU82 on April 11, 2026, 05:10:28 PMWell behind BCHoopster's kid, that's for sure.
*grandkid
I don't care about his neck. Is he a pogo stick? Asking for an ex-scooper friend.
Quote from: MU82 on April 11, 2026, 05:10:28 PMWell behind BCHoopster's kid, that's for sure.
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Good answer, kid is ranked 4th in the state right now, playing with Mac Irvin Fire in Chicago this week. I saw Minnesale work out many times, has a body like Junior Bridgman,
Always thought MU should have recruited him.
Can you guys spell his effin name correctly?
smfh
Quote from: wadesworld on April 11, 2026, 05:33:48 PM*grandkid
Kid, grandkid, great-grand-nephew, fourth cousin twice removed ... I'm sure they all are (or were or will be) ranked high.
And much higher than Minnnnesssayle, right JB?
lol. Could we make a more contemporary comparison than Junior Bridgeman?
Paul Pressey?
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 11, 2026, 06:01:26 PMCan you guys spell his effin name correctly?
smfh
Typing on my phone in a hurry. Lighten up Francis
Quote from: jficke13 on April 11, 2026, 06:56:57 PMTyping on my phone in a hurry. Lighten up Francis
You had to urgently post on Scoop. Dang, very committed.
Nonetheless, it's certainly not just you who I was posting because of. I'd say more people get his name wrong than correct on Scoop.
And this is why we are doomed next season.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 11, 2026, 06:37:12 PMlol. Could we make a more contemporary comparison than Junior Bridgeman?
Wide shoulders like Junior
I'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you:
https://x.com/CoachD_Mac/status/2042701919248863610
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 11, 2026, 07:10:24 PMWide shoulders like Junior
I think the point was that comparing him to someone who last played nearly 40 years ago may not be the most relevant comparison.
Here I thought John Dodds had the market cornered on 40+ year old comps.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 11, 2026, 07:37:52 PMI'm shocked. Shocked, I tell you:
https://x.com/CoachD_Mac/status/2042701919248863610
Sooooo...Shaka's philosophy about agents not changing what a player will get from MU might make some sense?
Right?! Who doesn't fossil Dodds compare to Ricky Pierce?
Wide shoulders like Bronko Nagurski.
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Quote from: jficke13 on April 11, 2026, 06:56:57 PMTyping on my phone in a hurry. Lighten up Francis
Dont make a single speling mistike around Jey Bae. He'll blow a lid!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 11, 2026, 05:35:51 PMI don't care about his neck. Is he a pogo stick? Asking for an ex-scooper friend.
Ohhh man...a guy I miss desperately.
How long has he been gone?
https://x.com/i/status/2043151102393061714
Is it true that some of these agents are taking 20%??? Does anyone know the average vs NBA agents? Ty.
Kennard Davis is definitely not a name I expected us to be interested in
Quote from: JTJ3 on April 11, 2026, 09:24:21 PMKennard Davis is definitely not a name I expected us to be interested in
I agree. Suspended for 2 games this season for DUI and the possesion of weed. Doesn't sound like the type of guy Shaka would want
Quote from: amgine_MU on April 11, 2026, 09:50:44 PMI agree. Suspended for 2 games this season for DUI and the possesion of weed. Doesn't sound like the type of guy Shaka would want
Shaka lights it up from time to time
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 11, 2026, 09:21:40 PMIs it true that some of these agents are taking 20%??? Does anyone know the average vs NBA agents? Ty.
Only the stupid players.
NBA player agent fees have a maximum cap of 4% allowed by the NBPA, this is only for gross salary. Agents often charge 10% to 20% for marketing and endorsement deals.
Quote from: amgine_MU on April 11, 2026, 09:50:44 PMI agree. Suspended for 2 games this season for DUI and the possesion of weed. Doesn't sound like the type of guy Shaka would want
Lol.
Quote from: onepost on April 11, 2026, 09:00:16 PMOhhh man...a guy I miss desperately.
How long has he been gone?
Left with the dentists. Whether because he had to or in solidarity, I do not know.
I don't think he adds much so weed arrest or not I don't think Kennard Davis raises our ceiling enough to spend $$$
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 11, 2026, 11:28:15 PMWhat's so funny?
The thought that someone isn't "Marquette" material because of a weed dui.
I thought the lol was self explanatory.
Reel them in, Shaka!
Quote from: onepost on April 11, 2026, 09:00:16 PMOhhh man...a guy I miss desperately.
How long has he been gone?
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Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 11, 2026, 11:45:51 PMThe thought that someone isn't "Marquette" material because of a weed dui.
I thought the lol was self explanatory.
Considering his being impaired resulted in a car accident and two Marquette student athletes were killed last fall by a drunk driver it seems pretty self-explanatory to me that Shaka wouldn't get involved.
Nothing funny about a DUI.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 12, 2026, 07:06:49 AMConsidering his being impaired resulted in a car accident and two Marquette student athletes were killed last fall by a drunk driver it seems pretty self-explanatory to me that Shaka wouldn't get involved.
Nothing funny about a DUI.
Win. At. All. Costs.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 12, 2026, 07:24:56 AMWin. At. All. Costs.
Can't say that. The S.E.C. trademarked that in about 1940.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 12, 2026, 07:32:32 AMCan't say that. The S.E.C. trademarked that in about 1940.
Yes. Almost certainly the only collection of schools to Win. At. All. Costs.
See: Buzz Williams at Marquette
Quote from: amgine_MU on April 11, 2026, 09:50:44 PMI agree. Suspended for 2 games this season for DUI and the possesion of weed. Doesn't sound like the type of guy Shaka would want
And he's leaving BYU??
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 11, 2026, 09:21:40 PMIs it true that some of these agents are taking 20%??? Does anyone know the average vs NBA agents? Ty.
Yes. They'll brag about it too. I've seen some asking for 25% as well. There is nothing governing NIL agents.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 12, 2026, 08:38:42 AMYes. They'll brag about it too. I've seen some asking for 25% as well. There is nothing governing NIL agents.
How many are lawyers? If I was a player I would want a good lawyer looking out for my interests to make sure the agent isn't leaving me high and dry because there were no takers. Now if you have a lawyer agent get yourself a personal attorney as well who is looking out for you.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 12, 2026, 08:38:42 AMYes. They'll brag about it too. I've seen some asking for 25% as well. There is nothing governing NIL agents.
This
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 12, 2026, 08:38:42 AMYes. They'll brag about it too. I've seen some asking for 25% as well. There is nothing governing NIL agents.
This seems like pure exploitation. Not only would I not have an agent if I was an elite college hooper, I would dig into the backgrounds of these pilfering crooks. And maybe make a few phone calls. :)
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 12, 2026, 08:51:30 AMHow many are lawyers? If I was a player I would want a good lawyer looking out for my interests to make sure the agent isn't leaving me high and dry because there were no takers. Now if you have a lawyer agent get yourself a personal attorney as well who is looking out for you.
I would eliminate the agents entirely and have a salary limit. I'm also guessing there's a sizeable percentage of these players that spend their entire NIL income and have no idea about the taxes. Personally I think this whole thing is detrimental not only to the sport, but to the athletes. Unless you change a number of things, including setting them up with a Trust or retirement fund.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 12, 2026, 09:48:46 AMI would eliminate the agents entirely and have a salary limit. I'm also guessing there's a sizeable percentage of these players that spend their entire NIL income and have no idea about the taxes. Personally I think this whole thing is detrimental not only to the sport, but to the athletes. Unless you change a number of things including setting them up with a Trust or retirement fund.
LOL. How is being paid six or seven figures "detrimental to the athletes?"
And you are really being condescending that athletes and their families don't understand how to manage money, including taxes. Sure there are going to be sob stories, but this is MUCH better for the athletes than amateurism and is going to give players a significant head start on adulthood.
I also think it is also good for the sport because it's going to keep players in college longer.
And yes, agents need to exist. You can't simply eliminate them.
I love how Muggsy has, once again, risen to the challenge. First, we are supposed to imagine him as an "elite hooper". Secondly, he would investigate these crooks before eliminating them entirely and impose a salary limit on the players. And lastly, he would protect the players from their foolish selves by setting up a trust or retirement fund because they do not have enough discipline to manage their own finances..
Mr. If I Was In Charge to the rescue!
Quote from: The Sultan on April 12, 2026, 09:54:46 AMLOL. How is being paid six or seven figures "detrimental to the athletes?"
And you are really being condescending that athletes and their families don't understand how to manage money, including taxes. Sure there are going to be sob stories, but this is MUCH better for the athletes than amateurism and is going to give players a significant head start on adulthood.
I also think it is also good for the sport because it's going to keep players in college longer.
And yes, agents need to exist. You can't simply eliminate them.
Wrong, I can eliminate them.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 12, 2026, 10:02:14 AMWrong, I can eliminate them.
;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
From the same guy who wanted an assassination team to take out Putin and said "I assure you the Russians would surrender immediately".
Fluffy, so it's condescending to suggest 18-23 yr olds don't know diddly squat about money managing, but perfectly understandable that they hire agents who take 15-25% of their income? Stop Whistling Dixie.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 12, 2026, 10:08:53 AM;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
From the same guy who wanted an assassination team to take out Putin and said "I assure you the Russians would surrender immediately".
Not "wanted" it should happen immediately. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 12, 2026, 10:13:32 AMFluffy, so it's condescending to suggest 18-23 yr olds don't know diddly squat about money managing, but perfectly understandable that they hire agents who take 15-25% of their income? Stop Whistling Dixie.
There are plenty of good agents.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 12, 2026, 10:24:50 AMThere are plenty of good agents.
How can they be good if they're taking those percentages?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 12, 2026, 07:06:49 AMConsidering his being impaired resulted in a car accident and two Marquette student athletes were killed last fall by a drunk driver it seems pretty self-explanatory to me that Shaka wouldn't get involved.
Nothing funny about a DUI.
If you are really comparing an 11:45am arrest due to weed residue, with a drunken driver at night, then you really have ZERO nuance in this.
Regardless, thinking that someone isn't going to go after a player, due to a simple dui, you're lost.
You also have zero idea on what actually caused the crash. It could be 100% the other person's fault, and you will still be arrested. Coupled with the fact that a weed dui could be the equivalent of a single beer on the "intoxication" level.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 12, 2026, 09:48:46 AMI would eliminate the agents entirely and have a salary limit. I'm also guessing there's a sizeable percentage of these players that spend their entire NIL income and have no idea about the taxes. Personally I think this whole thing is detrimental not only to the sport, but to the athletes. Unless you change a number of things, including setting them up with a Trust or retirement fund.
LOL
you're right. We should stop paying players ASAP. So we can help them.
Old men are unnatural carnal knowledgeing hilarious
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 12, 2026, 10:27:01 AMHow can they be good if they're taking those percentages?
Did I say they were all good???
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 10:31:40 AMLOL
you're right. We should stop paying players ASAP. So we can help them.
Old men are unnatural carnal knowledgeing hilarious
I'm a young 42. Tip-top condition. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 12, 2026, 10:37:30 AMI'm a young 42. Tip-top condition. :)
Maybe physically, but....
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 12, 2026, 10:37:30 AMI'm a young 42. Tip-top condition. :)
A 42 year old thinking college players shouldn't be paid because it's "detrimental" to them is a crazy thought pattern.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 10:29:46 AMIf you are really comparing an 11:45am arrest due to weed residue, with a drunken driver at night, then you really have ZERO nuance in this.
Regardless, thinking that someone isn't going to go after a player, due to a simple dui, you're lost.
You also have zero idea on what actually caused the crash. It could be 100% the other person's fault, and you will still be arrested. Coupled with the fact that a weed dui could be the equivalent of a single beer on the "intoxication" level.
I'm not the one with zero nuance in this exchange - you should probably take a look in the mirror.
I'm not saying the kid doesn't deserve a second chance. I'm not saying it will matter to other coaches.
What I am saying is it would matter to Shaka and that's the point. Sorry if that's too complicated for you.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 10:51:18 AMA 42 year old thinking college players shouldn't be paid because it's "detrimental" to them is a crazy thought pattern.
They're getting paid. They're professional athletes. I don't think you're looking at this from a macro perspective. Changes need to be made imo to the system.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 12, 2026, 11:01:19 AMI'm not the one with zero nuance in this exchange - you should probably take a look in the mirror.
I'm not saying the kid doesn't deserve a second chance. I'm not saying it will matter to other coaches.
What I am saying is it would matter to Shaka and that's the point. Sorry if that's too complicated for you.
Im sure it absolutely doesn't.
Should we kick all marquette students with previous DUI'S out of the school?
You compared a fatal drunken dui, with a small fender bender that may or may not have even been caused by the player.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 12, 2026, 11:01:48 AMThey're getting paid. They're professional athletes. I don't think you're looking at this from a macro perspective. Changes need to be made imo to the system.
"Personally I think this whole thing is detrimental not only to the sport, but to the athletes. Unless you change a number of things, including setting them up with a Trust or retirement fund."
Just come out and say what you mean muggsy. You dont trust young black kids to have control of money.
This is the same argument every 75 year old white man makes, it's just shocking you are only 42.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 11:05:51 AMIm sure it absolutely doesn't.
Should we kick all marquette students with previous DUI'S out of the school?
You compared a fatal drunken dui, with a small fender bender that may or may not have even been caused by the player.
Are we paying these other students 6 or 7 figures to play basketball at MU?
And there is a difference between a student already on campus where we can address it with disciplinary actions, and one we are recruiting. We would not accept a transfer student who would have been disciplinarily removed from another University due to a DUI that resulted in an accident.
They would have been expelled by BYU if they weren't an athlete.
Hey, Hurley's top assistant coach is a convicted felon who did time in prison. Why shut out a kid for a little weed?
Quote from: forgetful on April 12, 2026, 11:14:04 AMAre we paying these other students 6 or 7 figures to play basketball at MU?
And there is a difference between a student already on campus where we can address it with disciplinary actions, and one we are recruiting. We would not accept a transfer student who would have been disciplinarily removed from another University due to a DUI that resulted in an accident.
They would have been expelled by BYU if they weren't an athlete.
Marquette absolutely accepts students with previous duis.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 12, 2026, 11:15:51 AMHey, Hurley's top assistant coach is a convicted felon who did time in prison. Why shut out a kid for a little weed?
By the same comparison we should be shunning Kam Jones. Driving at reckless speeds on the highway while fleeing police is absolutely more dangerous then a 20mph fender bender.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 11:19:23 AMMarquette absolutely accepts students with previous duis.
That's not quite what forgetful said, but I am not sure his statement is accurate anyway.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 11:09:07 AMJust come out and say what you mean muggsy. You dont trust young black kids to have control of money.
This is the same argument every 75 year old white man makes.
Nice! You exposed Muggsy's prejudice and then put your own on display in the same post. ;D
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 12, 2026, 11:30:23 AMNice! You exposed Muggsy's prejudice and then put your own on display in the same post. ;D
My disdain for 79 year old white men has been pretty blatant on scoop sir.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 11:31:52 AMMy disdain for 79 year old white men has been pretty blatant on scoop sir.
Oh, one in particular we agree on. But that's not what you wrote. Nice attempt to blatantly move the goal posts sir.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 12, 2026, 11:34:26 AMOh, one in particular we agree on. But that's not what you wrote. Nice attempt to blatantly move the goal posts sir.
It's all good. You can't be racist against white people.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 11:09:07 AM"Personally I think this whole thing is detrimental not only to the sport, but to the athletes. Unless you change a number of things, including setting them up with a Trust or retirement fund."
Just come out and say what you mean muggsy. You dont trust young black kids to have control of money.
This is the same argument every 75 year old white man makes, it's just shocking you are only 42.
Yes. It's all about me being racist. You're a real sleuth.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 11:36:15 AMIt's all good. You can't be racist against white people.
And yet another failed attempt to move the goal posts.
Good news for those that didn't want Certa
https://x.com/transferportal/status/2043366742236225587?s=61
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 12, 2026, 11:37:53 AMAnd yet another failed attempt to move the goal posts.
"Okay" boss man! Live in your world.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 12, 2026, 11:36:34 AMYes. It's all about me being racist. You're a real sleuth.
I present to you..... a plethora of scoop quotes from you.
Quote from: MuMark on April 12, 2026, 11:38:17 AMGood news for those that didn't want Certa
https://x.com/transferportal/status/2043366742236225587?s=61
Thanks for some portal news.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 12, 2026, 11:25:32 AMThat's not quite what forgetful said, but I am not sure his statement is accurate anyway.
I had to reread his post. Im not sure of the point he's trying to make.
Byu didn't expelled him because he was an athlete, would be the exact same reason marquette would sign him. I mean, if he was actually GOOD at basketball.
Marquette isn't turning down a stud because he received a weed dui.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 11:45:13 AMI had to reread his post. Im not sure of the point he's trying to make.
He is saying that Marquette wouldn't take a regular student as a transfer had they been expelled from a previous school due to a DUI.
I don't necessarily think that's the case.
If Shaka takes 3 from the portal, I'd think at least two would be seniors-to-be. He'd then have two scholarships for 2027 class recruiting. Minessale would be a junior next season.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 12, 2026, 11:48:37 AMIf Shaka takes 3 from the portal, I'd think at least two would be seniors-to-be. He'd then have two scholarships for 2027 class recruiting. Minessale would be a junior next season.
Eligibility may or may not matter in 2 years honestly.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 11:31:52 AMMy disdain for 79 year old white men has been pretty blatant on scoop sir.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 12, 2026, 11:34:26 AMOh, one in particular we agree on. But that's not what you wrote. Nice attempt to blatantly move the goal posts sir.
It's okay guys I respect your opinion.
Milan Momcilovic now in portal as well as the NBA draft.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 12, 2026, 12:07:20 PMIt's okay guys I respect your opinion.
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/t6V-MIkkT8kAAAAd/old-man-how-many-times-do-we-have-to-teach-you.gif)
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 12, 2026, 12:09:29 PMMilan Momcilovic now in portal as well as the NBA draft.
This would be nice payback by Shaka to TJO for taking a bunch of his local guys
Milan and Nolan would be decent hometown cops
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 12, 2026, 12:07:20 PMIt's okay guys I respect your opinion.
I was referring to Orange Jesus. But I'll gladly accept a "Thank you for noticing me".
Quote from: DoctorV on April 12, 2026, 12:18:53 PMThis would be nice payback by Shaka to TJO for taking a bunch of his local guys
Milan and Nolan would be decent hometown cops
Milan is definitely staying in the draft barring the unforeseen. He's a projected first round pick.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 12, 2026, 12:35:51 PMMilan is definitely staying in the draft barring the unforeseen. He's a projected first round pick.
By whom?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 12, 2026, 12:35:51 PMMilan is definitely staying in the draft barring the unforeseen. He's a projected first round pick.
Since when?
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 12:10:29 PM(https://media1.tenor.com/m/t6V-MIkkT8kAAAAd/old-man-how-many-times-do-we-have-to-teach-you.gif)
Have some tissues
For your issues
That applies to so many posters and so many issues.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 12, 2026, 12:38:50 PMBy whom?
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 12, 2026, 12:39:31 PMSince when?
I may have overstated it, but...
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/2043373580042514644?s=20
Quote from: The Sultan on April 12, 2026, 12:43:58 PMI may have overstated it, but...
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/2043373580042514644?s=20
This guy may be the real test for a middling nba pick to go vs stay for more money.
A lot more then the dude hurley was talking about.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 12:49:07 PMThis guy may be the real test for a middling nba pick to go vs stay for more money.
A lot more then the dude hurley was talking about.
Yes.. I know we've been told Nigel is worth like $6M lol, but for MM... even if he's told by teams they'd take him in the last ~5 or so picks of the first round, we're talking I think $2.3-$2.6ish for year 1 comp in the NBA.. to think that he could make at least somewhat close to that in college and try to move up his draft position the next year isn't crazy... tough call.
Dude should stay in college but transfer to MU.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 12, 2026, 12:18:53 PMThis would be nice payback by Shaka to TJO for taking a bunch of his local guys
Milan and Nolan would be decent hometown cops
I never got the impression that MU pursued Momcilovic very hard when he was in HS.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 12, 2026, 01:11:43 PMI never got the impression that MU pursued Momcilovic very hard when he was in HS.
ewww.
IIRC TJO was on him early and HARD. Lots of other schools offered, but looked like a tough climb for the rest early on.
Even if he opts against the draft, I'm fairly confident he'd command more money than MU could realistically offer. I'd love for us to pursue elite portal talent, but Momcilovic/Bidunga-caliber players are probably out of reach. That said, I think we can and should be competitive for the tier just below that level.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 12, 2026, 01:05:20 PMYes.. I know we've been told Nigel is worth like $6M lol, but for MM... even if he's told by teams they'd take him in the last ~5 or so picks of the first round, we're talking I think $2.3-$2.6ish for year 1 comp in the NBA.. to think that he could make at least somewhat close to that in college and try to move up his draft position the next year isn't crazy... tough call.
Dude should stay in college but transfer to MU.
Reel him in Shaka
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 12, 2026, 11:15:51 AMHey, Hurley's top assistant coach is a convicted felon who did time in prison. Why shut out a kid for a little weed?
Huh
Quote from: The Sultan on April 12, 2026, 12:35:51 PMMilan is definitely staying in the draft barring the unforeseen. He's a projected first round pick.
Disagree. I don't think he's coming here but I don't think he's consensus first by any means. Will probably make more in college, similar to Yaxel last year.
https://x.com/TransferPortal/status/2043404308624949660?s=20
Quote from: Pakuni on April 12, 2026, 02:05:07 PMhttps://x.com/TransferPortal/status/2043404308624949660?s=20
He'll fit in well there offensively, and I wouldn't be surprised to see his defense improve at least some.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 11:05:51 AMIm sure it absolutely doesn't.
Should we kick all marquette students with previous DUI'S out of the school?
You compared a fatal drunken dui, with a small fender bender that may or may not have even been caused by the player.
WTF are you talking about? Do you have a head injury that you never got checked out? Or are you just dumb?
This discussion has nothing to do with Marquette students so that comment is completely bizarre and not remotely relevant.
Next, I did not compare a fatal auto accident to a fender bender. He made a decision to drive impaired - it doesn't matter that there wasn't a tragic outcome.
If you don't think there would be extra sensitivity at Marquette about bringing in an athlete in with a DWI after what happened you're not particularly bright.
Tower's portal prediction chooses Tennessee over Marquette, others.
https://x.com/i/status/2043387465185014240
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 12, 2026, 02:36:47 PMTower's portal prediction chooses Tennessee over Marquette, others.
https://x.com/i/status/2043387465185014240
Green weenie, aina?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 12, 2026, 02:39:01 PMGreen weenie, aina?
Nah. But there will be
no Ruben sandwiches sold at Fiserv because of this.
Guesses from anyone as to when we will see the first transfer announcement to Marquette? Hoping Shaka has something good in the works.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 12, 2026, 02:39:01 PMGreen weenie, aina?
Or Tennessee Orange weenie, in this case.
https://x.com/i/status/2043131255647080590
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 12, 2026, 02:32:03 PMWTF are you talking about? Do you have a head injury that you never got checked out? Or are you just dumb?
This discussion has nothing to do with Marquette students so that comment is completely bizarre and not remotely relevant.
Next, I did not compare a fatal auto accident to a fender bender. He made a decision to drive impaired - it doesn't matter that there wasn't a tragic outcome.
If you don't think there would be extra sensitivity at Marquette about bringing in an athlete in with a DWI after what happened you're not particularly bright.
Hahahahahaha. Tell me that the number 1 center in the ncaa wants to come to Marquette, but he has a dui.
Tell me they won't accept him.
Come on don't be so dense.
Edit: marquette let literal rapists play basketball.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 12, 2026, 01:41:13 PMDisagree. I don't think he's coming here but I don't think he's consensus first by any means. Will probably make more in college, similar to Yaxel last year.
He's in the 20-40 range. He'll go through the process and maybe get a guarantee. Otherwise I foresee him staying in college
Rubin always produces well. Replacing Estrella with Rubin
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 12, 2026, 03:01:59 PMhttps://x.com/i/status/2043131255647080590
I think I like our chances if that is the group.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 12, 2026, 02:47:21 PMNah. But there will be no Ruben sandwiches sold at Fiserv because of this.
Guesses from anyone as to when we will see the first transfer announcement to Marquette? Hoping Shaka has something good in the works.
Reel them in Shaka. They will be huuuge.
Has anyone mentioned the possibility of Ballard bringing in someone from his FIU squad? They currently have five announced transfers per their FIU portal tracker (https://lemoncitylive.com/basketball/fiu-mens-basketball-transfer-portal-tracker/). If we had to bring in one of them, I imagine it'd be Hamed "Larry" Olayinka - 6'9" power forward entering his senior year.
"Starting in all 32 games for FIU this season, Larry Olayinka had a strong defensive season, ranking 4th in C-USA in total blocks. Olayinka averaged 10.3 points, 6.7 rebounds, 1.0 steals, and 1.3 blocks per game. The forward had 15 double-digit performances and six contests with 10+ rebounds, as well as five double-doubles. He will enter his senior year looking for his 4th school to finish his collegiate career."
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 12, 2026, 04:43:16 PMHas anyone mentioned the possibility of Ballard bringing in someone from his FIU squad? They currently have five announced transfers per their FIU portal tracker (https://lemoncitylive.com/basketball/fiu-mens-basketball-transfer-portal-tracker/). If we had to bring in one of them, I imagine it'd be Hamed "Larry" Olayinka - 6'9" power forward entering his senior year.
"Starting in all 32 games for FIU this season, Larry Olayinka had a strong defensive season, ranking 4th in C-USA in total blocks. Olayinka averaged 10.3 points, 6.7 rebounds, 1.0 steals, and 1.3 blocks per game. The forward had 15 double-digit performances and six contests with 10+ rebounds, as well as five double-doubles. He will enter his senior year looking for his 4th school to finish his collegiate career."
Dibami has been mentioned as a transfer big to avoid. Olayinka has not been discussed.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 12, 2026, 04:43:16 PMHas anyone mentioned the possibility of Ballard bringing in someone from his FIU squad? They currently have five announced transfers per their FIU portal tracker (https://lemoncitylive.com/basketball/fiu-mens-basketball-transfer-portal-tracker/). If we had to bring in one of them, I imagine it'd be Hamed "Larry" Olayinka - 6'9" power forward entering his senior year.
"Starting in all 32 games for FIU this season, Larry Olayinka had a strong defensive season, ranking 4th in C-USA in total blocks. Olayinka averaged 10.3 points, 6.7 rebounds, 1.0 steals, and 1.3 blocks per game. The forward had 15 double-digit performances and six contests with 10+ rebounds, as well as five double-doubles. He will enter his senior year looking for his 4th school to finish his collegiate career."
I hope not. FIU has no one worth targeting.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 03:04:21 PMHahahahahaha. Tell me that the number 1 center in the ncaa wants to come to Marquette, but he has a dui.
Tell me they won't accept him.
Come on don't be so dense.
Have you strained something from moving the goalposts multiple times already? Now you're creating inane hypotheticals because you have no leg to stand on.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 03:04:21 PMEdit: marquette let literal rapists play basketball.
Was Shaka at Marquette at that time? Is the Athletic Director the same? The University leadership?
It's amazing you think that somehow that would have any correlation on decisions made by the program today. In fact, it makes it much less likely a player with character issues would be recruited and join the program.
You're responses are devoid of common sense and logic.
What is the best site/link to see the names of everyone in the portal?
Quote from: Afroman on April 12, 2026, 06:50:59 PMWhat is the best site/link to see the names of everyone in the portal?
arbys.com
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 12, 2026, 06:57:05 PMarbys.com
Diabolical. I take it this is the same portal mentioned in your signature?
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 12, 2026, 07:28:24 PMDiabolical. I take it this is the same portal mentioned in your signature?
Catholics know all the porn sites.
I can't believe y'all are clicking on a link posted J.B. Did you all fail your cyber-security training?
Well done mods.
Rico?
https://x.com/TransferPortal/status/2043501471686135859?s=20
Damn. Beaten to the Punch.
We never had a chance with Punch nor do I think we were that interested. Does a lot of what Royce does. Obviously wouldn't say no to a player of his pedigree
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 12, 2026, 09:00:07 PMWe never had a chance with Punch nor do I think we were that interested. Does a lot of what Royce does. Obviously wouldn't say no to a player of his pedigree
I thought we had a puncher's chance.
Quote from: tower912 on April 12, 2026, 08:52:19 PMDamn. Beaten to the Punch.
Sorry to see that it's Texas... I really thought he'd choose Hawaii.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 12, 2026, 08:36:58 PMRico?
https://x.com/TransferPortal/status/2043501471686135859?s=20
LOL at anyone thinking we had a chance at Punch.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 12, 2026, 11:18:56 PMLOL at anyone thinking we had a chance at Punch.
Who tf do
We have a chance at :0
Quote from: Pakuni on April 12, 2026, 08:36:58 PMRico?
https://x.com/TransferPortal/status/2043501471686135859?s=20
Dont worry, we just didn't want him.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 12, 2026, 11:36:18 PMWho tf do
We have a chance at :0
dont worry, well grab a mid major that'll make gold look like the bitch he is.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 13, 2026, 12:25:45 AMdont worry, well grab a mid major that'll make gold look like the bitch he is.
Reel them in Shaka!
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 13, 2026, 12:25:45 AMdont worry, well grab a mid major that'll make gold look like the bitch he is.
Sunday night benders are fun.
Donkey Punch.
https://x.com/TransferPortal/status/2043687286659854509?s=20
https://x.com/i/status/2043685778329424370
"Marquette is a school to keep a close eye on, but he is highly sought after." (Fru)
Can't believe a poverty program would be interested in a guy that is looking for $2 million or (probably) more.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 13, 2026, 08:50:45 AMhttps://x.com/i/status/2043685778329424370
"Marquette is a school to keep a close eye on, but he is highly sought after." (Fru)
Can't believe a poverty program would be interested in a guy that is looking for $2 million or (probably) more.
Cautiously optimistic, but with each passing day, programs are missing out on top guys, which may or may not get those collectives to offer more $$$ for remaining top guys left in the portal. Essentially, I am worried that an unknown buyer will swoop in and just offer beyond what the range should be.
A week in and we don't have anybody yet. Plenty of guys out there, but the best fits may soon come off the board.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 13, 2026, 09:01:24 AMCautiously optimistic, but with each passing day, programs are missing out on top guys, which may or may not get those collectives to offer more $$$ for remaining top guys left in the portal. Essentially, I am worried that an unknown buyer will swoop in and just offer beyond what the range should be.
A week in and we don't have anybody yet. Plenty of guys out there, but the best fits may soon come off the board.
There are like 2,000 something guys in the portal. There are a lot of fits.
They likely have a long long long list of guys they like at different levels. They'll start at the top of their list and work their way down as needed.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 13, 2026, 08:47:53 AMhttps://x.com/TransferPortal/status/2043687286659854509?s=20
This is a great fit, honestly. He just looks like he belongs in West Virginia.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 13, 2026, 09:01:24 AMCautiously optimistic, but with each passing day, programs are missing out on top guys, which may or may not get those collectives to offer more $$$ for remaining top guys left in the portal. Essentially, I am worried that an unknown buyer will swoop in and just offer beyond what the range should be.
A week in and we don't have anybody yet. Plenty of guys out there, but the best fits may soon come off the board.
To be fair, we have no idea if we do have anyone. Nothing has been announced sure, but that doesn't mean something isn't lined up.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 13, 2026, 09:01:24 AMCautiously optimistic, but with each passing day, programs are missing out on top guys, which may or may not get those collectives to offer more $$$ for remaining top guys left in the portal. Essentially, I am worried that an unknown buyer will swoop in and just offer beyond what the range should be.
A week in and we don't have anybody yet. Plenty of guys out there, but the best fits may soon come off the board.
What? No fear. Shaka will reel them in.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 13, 2026, 08:50:45 AMhttps://x.com/i/status/2043685778329424370
"Marquette is a school to keep a close eye on, but he is highly sought after." (Fru)
Can't believe a poverty program would be interested in a guy that is looking for $2 million or (probably) more.
There certainly seems to be smoke here. Could be a season defining pickup if we can close the deal. Hoping for the best.
Landing Sanada would be music to my ears.
Louisville has made the biggest early splash in the transfer portal, getting commitments from Kansas center Flory Bidunga and Oregon guard Jackson Shelstad. (From The Athletic)
Encouraged that Fru is definitely not returning to Louisville but I know there are other schools in on him, and most of them didn't lose 20 games last season...
Still, that On3 tweet suggesting MU as the the frontrunner is slightly encouraging
Hoping, praying, yearning for news today. Maybe we get it.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 13, 2026, 11:14:00 AMEncouraged that Fru is definitely not returning to Louisville but I know there are other schools in on him, and most of them didn't lose 20 games last season...
Still, that On3 tweet suggesting MU as the the frontrunner is slightly encouraging
I wouldn't worry about the losing 20 games.........Providence just landed Byrd and we beat them twice and they fired their coach ............money, opportunity and fit are what's important in the portal market.
Players can look past one poor season when the program has a history of success. Especially when all the young pieces that showed real potential this season stayed committed.
Quote from: MuMark on April 13, 2026, 11:22:32 AMI wouldn't worry about the losing 20 games.........Providence just landed Byrd and we beat them twice and they fired their coach ............money, opportunity and fit are what's important in the portal market.
Players can look past one poor season when the program has a history of success. Especially when all the young pieces that showed real potential this season stayed committed.
Get this kind of take off scoop!
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 13, 2026, 11:14:00 AMEncouraged that Fru is definitely not returning to Louisville but I know there are other schools in on him, and most of them didn't lose 20 games last season...
Still, that On3 tweet suggesting MU as the the frontrunner is slightly encouraging
coming off 20 L's means there's PT available. Ball in, check.
I do wonder if bringing in Fru would be enough to make a currently-rostered center decide to transfer. Would love to see a commit before the notification window closes.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 13, 2026, 11:49:20 AMI do wonder if bringing in Fru would be enough to make a currently-rostered center decide to transfer. Would love to see a commit before the notification window closes.
Id be ecstatic.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 13, 2026, 11:49:20 AMI do wonder if bringing in Fru would be enough to make a currently-rostered center decide to transfer. Would love to see a commit before the notification window closes.
doubtful, since they'd almost certainly take a large pay cut.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 13, 2026, 12:03:35 PMdoubtful, since they'd almost certainly take a large pay cut.
What are they paid now?
:-X
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 13, 2026, 11:49:20 AMI do wonder if bringing in Fru would be enough to make a currently-rostered center decide to transfer. Would love to see a commit before the notification window closes.
No.
https://x.com/i/status/2043735450074919340
(Nvm)
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 13, 2026, 12:10:44 PMJust got a message that Riley is visiting Marquette this weekend.
I'm in a meeting so I haven't been on Twitter or socials. Is that known info?
See my post from 5 seconds before yours.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 13, 2026, 12:03:35 PMdoubtful, since they'd almost certainly take a large pay cut.
Which is what we were told about Jones and Norman.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 13, 2026, 12:03:35 PMdoubtful, since they'd almost certainly take a large pay cut.
Can't imagine Marquette is paying Clark or Hamilton a whole lot.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 13, 2026, 12:10:39 PMhttps://x.com/i/status/2043735450074919340
Tower getting his wish on more guard depth?
If this offseason basketball portal season plays out like the football one did, getting the first visit is the very important, as many took their first trip and cancelled the others after committing. It's the reverse of freshman recruiting where you want to get the last visit.
Royce following Fru on Insta
Quote from: onepost on April 13, 2026, 12:26:27 PMRoyce following Fru on Insta
Just came to post the same! Appears to be his most recent follow.
Quote from: Norm on April 13, 2026, 12:20:30 PMIf this offseason basketball portal season plays out like the football one did, getting the first visit is the very important, as many took their first trip and cancelled the others after committing. It's the reverse of freshman recruiting where you want to get the last visit.
Nobody likes to cancel weekend plans!
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 10, 2026, 02:48:36 PMEnjoy!
https://collegebasketballportal.com/
Following this link, here's what this site has for dollar values. My guess is these are last season's estimated payments...
(I have no idea how accurate this may or may not be and I'm not familiar with this source. Just thought it was interesting.)
Men's College Basketball Transfer Portal Dashboard
2026-27 Season BPR, NIL, and Transfer Projections
Marquette
Portal Simulator
Showing 15 results for "Marquette"
Clear filters
# Player Pos Class '26-'27 Proj.BPR NIL Transfer% HM% Archetype +
#128
Nigel James Jr.
Marquette
Big East Guard FR 6.2* $1.19M 44% 85% Two-Way Guard
#273
Chase Ross
Marquette
Big East Guard SR 4.9 $683K 77% 65% Two-Way Guard
#499
Adrien Stevens
Marquette
Big East Guard FR 3.9* $450K 44% 65% Two-Way Guard
#613
Royce Parham
Marquette
Big East Wing SO 3.4 $380K 54% 65% Slashing Wing
#800
Ben Gold
Marquette
Big East Big SR 2.9 $331K 77% 65% Rebounder
#1343
Michael Phillips II
Marquette
Big East Wing FR 1.6* $130K 49% 45% Defensive Wing
#1452
Zaide Lowery Portal
Marquette
Big East Guard JR 1.4 $129K 80% 45% Combo Guard
#1512
Damarius Owens
Marquette
Big East Wing SO 1.3 $126K 64% 45% Slashing Wing
#1907
Tre Norman Portal
Marquette
Big East Guard JR 0.7 $110K 82% 45% Combo Guard
#2098
Josh Clark
Marquette
Big East Big FR 0.5* $71K 48% 45% Rebounder
#2133
Caedin Hamilton
Marquette
Big East Big SO 0.4 $98K 57% 45% Rebounder
#2265
Braeden Brenn
Marquette
Big East Big FR 0.3* $0 58% 45% Rebounder
#2578
Sean Jones Portal
Marquette
Big East Guard JR -0.1 $48K 86% 25% Facilitator
Quote from: Norm on April 13, 2026, 12:20:30 PMIf this offseason basketball portal season plays out like the football one did, getting the first visit is the very important, as many took their first trip and cancelled the others after committing. It's the reverse of freshman recruiting where you want to get the last visit.
Was thinking the same thing.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on April 13, 2026, 12:41:30 PMFollowing this link, here's what this site has for dollar values. My guess is these are last season's estimated payments...
(I have no idea how accurate this may or may not be and I'm not familiar with this source. Just thought it was interesting.)
Men's College Basketball Transfer Portal Dashboard
2026-27 Season BPR, NIL, and Transfer Projections
Marquette
Portal Simulator
Showing 15 results for "Marquette"
Clear filters
# Player Pos Class '26-'27 Proj.BPR NIL Transfer% HM% Archetype +
#128
Nigel James Jr.
Marquette
Big East Guard FR 6.2* $1.19M 44% 85% Two-Way Guard
#273
Chase Ross
Marquette
Big East Guard SR 4.9 $683K 77% 65% Two-Way Guard
#499
Adrien Stevens
Marquette
Big East Guard FR 3.9* $450K 44% 65% Two-Way Guard
#613
Royce Parham
Marquette
Big East Wing SO 3.4 $380K 54% 65% Slashing Wing
#800
Ben Gold
Marquette
Big East Big SR 2.9 $331K 77% 65% Rebounder
#1343
Michael Phillips II
Marquette
Big East Wing FR 1.6* $130K 49% 45% Defensive Wing
#1452
Zaide Lowery Portal
Marquette
Big East Guard JR 1.4 $129K 80% 45% Combo Guard
#1512
Damarius Owens
Marquette
Big East Wing SO 1.3 $126K 64% 45% Slashing Wing
#1907
Tre Norman Portal
Marquette
Big East Guard JR 0.7 $110K 82% 45% Combo Guard
#2098
Josh Clark
Marquette
Big East Big FR 0.5* $71K 48% 45% Rebounder
#2133
Caedin Hamilton
Marquette
Big East Big SO 0.4 $98K 57% 45% Rebounder
#2265
Braeden Brenn
Marquette
Big East Big FR 0.3* $0 58% 45% Rebounder
#2578
Sean Jones Portal
Marquette
Big East Guard JR -0.1 $48K 86% 25% Facilitator
Is this the same site that
@Jay Bee shared a post from the owner, saying the numbers were way off compared to what they expected?
Also if this site is accurate, Tarris Reed makes 400k less then the entire Marquette team.
Quote from: BrewCity83 on April 13, 2026, 12:41:30 PMBen Gold
Marquette
Big East Big SR 2.9 $331K
So, (legit question), how does this work for foreign players now (This would apply to Fru too...I think)? I still don't think they can get paid for "work", or even NIL (or revenue share) in the US without a work visa.
I think Ben went back home last summer to "run" a basketball camp...is that when they can get paid? Can a foreign foreign entity pay for their work in their home country?
So many questions.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 13, 2026, 12:56:02 PMSo, (legit question), how does this work for foreign players now (This would apply to Fru too...I think)? I still don't think they can get paid for "work", or even NIL (or revenue share) in the US without a work visa.
I think Ben went back home last summer to "run" a basketball camp...is that when they can get paid? Can a foreign foreign entity pay for their work in their home country?
So many questions.
I think it is very easy to pay a player NIL in their home country.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 13, 2026, 12:56:02 PMSo, (legit question), how does this work for foreign players now (This would apply to Fru too...I think)? I still don't think they can get paid for "work", or even NIL (or revenue share) in the US without a work visa.
I think Ben went back home last summer to "run" a basketball camp...is that when they can get paid? Can a foreign foreign entity pay for their work in their home country?
So many questions.
They did something with him in the Bahamas as well.
Quote from: onepost on April 13, 2026, 12:26:27 PMRoyce following Fru on Insta
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I've been waiting for someone to post this! I didn't want to take the time to figure it out myself.
Man I hope Fru joins, because I don't love any of the other big options.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 13, 2026, 12:56:02 PMSo, (legit question), how does this work for foreign players now (This would apply to Fru too...I think)? I still don't think they can get paid for "work", or even NIL (or revenue share) in the US without a work visa.
It's risky, but the answer is royalties. You hit on it - getting paid for 'work' e.g., actions is an issue. So, some schools have structured deals as royalty arrangements ... kid allows licensing/usage of his NIL.. in exchange for rev share dollars from the school... and call it passive income.
Lotsa naughty stuff going on, but that's a play for foreign guys to get big $$ as of now.
Students on an F-1 visa can be employed on-campus by the school. Since student-athletes can now be paid directly by the instituion, I wonder if "NIL" payments are now allowed for international athletes.
Also, an Arizona State women's basketball player applied for, and was denied a visa which allows for an athlete to earn money temporarily in the United States. This denial was overturned by the court, and I believe is still pending.
FWIW, The Athletic ranks Fru #38 among its top 50 portal players. Their synopsis ("wildly efficient as a finisher" ought to be music to our ears):
Ht: 6-11 Wt: 245
Fru was a terrific young player in Germany before coming stateside. He blocked 1.4 blocks in 22 minutes per night and was wildly efficient as a finisher. Fru shot 75.3 percent at the rim while on a heavy dose of rim runs out of ball screens. He's a good screener who can slip to the rim and create real downhill force. His team in Germany, Braunschweig, did use him as a mismatch post threat. But even there, he was largely an efficient rim runner. Defensively, Fru can at least competently protect the rim even if it isn't an outright strength of his game.
Fru needs to find an environment that plays in a ton of ball-screen actions and allows him to get downhill to the rim. The good news for him is that size is very difficult to find in the transfer portal, and he has it. He'll get a large amount of money to be a starting center for someone at the power conference level next season, with a ceiling as being a borderline all-conference player if he can find the right fit.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 13, 2026, 01:16:46 PMFWIW, The Athletic ranks Fru #38 among its top 50 portal players. Their synopsis ("wildly efficient as a finisher" ought to be music to our ears):
Ht: 6-11 Wt: 245
Fru was a terrific young player in Germany before coming stateside. He blocked 1.4 blocks in 22 minutes per night and was wildly efficient as a finisher. Fru shot 75.3 percent at the rim while on a heavy dose of rim runs out of ball screens. He's a good screener who can slip to the rim and create real downhill force. His team in Germany, Braunschweig, did use him as a mismatch post threat. But even there, he was largely an efficient rim runner. Defensively, Fru can at least competently protect the rim even if it isn't an outright strength of his game.
Fru needs to find an environment that plays in a ton of ball-screen actions and allows him to get downhill to the rim. The good news for him is that size is very difficult to find in the transfer portal, and he has it. He'll get a large amount of money to be a starting center for someone at the power conference level next season, with a ceiling as being a borderline all-conference player if he can find the right fit.
Sounds like a great fit for Marquette's system.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 13, 2026, 01:16:46 PMFWIW, The Athletic ranks Fru #38 among its top 50 portal players. Their synopsis ("wildly efficient as a finisher" ought to be music to our ears):
Ht: 6-11 Wt: 245
Fru was a terrific young player in Germany before coming stateside. He blocked 1.4 blocks in 22 minutes per night and was wildly efficient as a finisher. Fru shot 75.3 percent at the rim while on a heavy dose of rim runs out of ball screens. He's a good screener who can slip to the rim and create real downhill force. His team in Germany, Braunschweig, did use him as a mismatch post threat. But even there, he was largely an efficient rim runner. Defensively, Fru can at least competently protect the rim even if it isn't an outright strength of his game.
Fru needs to find an environment that plays in a ton of ball-screen actions and allows him to get downhill to the rim. The good news for him is that size is very difficult to find in the transfer portal, and he has it. He'll get a large amount of money to be a starting center for someone at the power conference level next season, with a ceiling as being a borderline all-conference player if he can find the right fit.
Better Matt Heldt.
Didn't miss in his last three games. He might have only shot 6 times in those three games, but he didn't miss!
Also has a stud 50% 3 point shooting. On 8 shots.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 13, 2026, 01:16:46 PMHe blocked 1.4 blocks in 22 minutes per night and was wildly efficient as a finisher.
Amazing. This dude is out there blocking blocks!!
https://youtu.be/dWJ87KI6F8w?si=IhiQUbwcUpud95Oj
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 13, 2026, 01:26:51 PMhttps://youtu.be/dWJ87KI6F8w?si=IhiQUbwcUpud95Oj
If I were an agent, I'd exclusively send highlights of my player against SC State.
Quote from: The Thing on April 13, 2026, 01:08:39 PMI've been waiting for someone to post this! I didn't want to take the time to figure it out myself.
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How confident are you with regards to Fru?
I'm 100% on Team Fru.
Hopefully we get some excellent news, and soon.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 13, 2026, 01:37:29 PMHow confident are you with regards to Fru?
I'm 100% on Team Fru.
Hopefully we get some excellent news, and soon.
I personally have no inside connections. However, IG follows correlate to a commitment 69.69% of the time so I will continue to post Ron Paul until I am correct.
He played for Braunschweig? Man, I see a healthy NIL opportunity in his future if he commits.
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It's absolutely an upgrade over any center we've had since Oso. Pair him with bully-ball Royce and Sheek's versatility. I hope Josh can bulk up to add some muscle. I like that frontcourt quite a bit on paper.
I hope Tylen Riley signs with us this coming weekend, but that trip to Maryland has me worried...
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on April 13, 2026, 01:43:01 PMHe played for Braunschweig? Man, I see a healthy NIL opportunity in his future if he commits.
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I have no idea how much this actually means to German players, but they'd feel a hell of a lot more at home in Milwaukee than anywhere else.
Riley seems like a good combo guard who can play backup point. Fru/Riley would be an excellent start. Maybe add Minessale, Evans or another wing
Quote from: Markusquette on April 13, 2026, 01:45:41 PMRiley seems like a good combo guard who can play backup point. Fru/Riley would be an excellent start. Maybe add Minessale, Evans or another wing
Whew! You posted just in time. I expected another Tower post anytime about how we really, really, really need a guard. Thanks for sparing us.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 13, 2026, 01:22:27 PMBetter Matt Heldt.
Didn't miss in his last three games. He might have only shot 6 times in those three games, but he didn't miss!
Also has a stud 50% 3 point shooting. On 8 shots.
Might be the undersell of the century.
We've been here before with recruits. Wouldn't take instagram follows as anything more than confirmation of interest.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 13, 2026, 01:41:57 PMHowever, IG follows correlate to a commitment 69.69% of the time so I will continue to post Ron Paul until I am correct.
Nice.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 13, 2026, 01:45:41 PMRiley seems like a good combo guard who can play backup point. Fru/Riley would be an excellent start. Maybe add Minessale, Evans or another wing
Personally, I don't love Riley unless he's coming here to backup our guards, which may be a tough sell for a senior. His defense would be a big concern.
I'd rather bring in a guy like Amari Evans, who we appear to have been connected to. Lots of upside there.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 13, 2026, 01:48:26 PMWhew! You posted just in time. I expected another Tower post anytime about how we really, really, really need a guard. Thanks for sparing us.
If you take a look through Marquette history, it's been a lack of guard depth!
Ignore all the schools that are currently winning with massive 5s.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 13, 2026, 01:09:32 PMMan I hope Fru joins, because I don't love any of the other big options.
Didn't you tell us Fru is not an opiton?
Quote from: jfp61 on April 10, 2026, 01:22:49 PMFru: No
Certa: they like, but he is visiting clemson
Buljan: one of ten (who cares until there is movement)
Evans: No
Quote from: Spaniel with a Short Tail on April 13, 2026, 01:43:01 PMHe played for Braunschweig? Man, I see a healthy NIL opportunity in his future if he commits.
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Nice. How are your Black Forest Cake skills??
Quote from: wadesworld on April 13, 2026, 01:57:58 PMDidn't you tell us Fru is not an opiton?
If it doesn't happen soon ish. We will get jumped.
That's all I'm saying.
Get it done.
We have had trouble with some german basketball agents before.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 13, 2026, 01:57:58 PMDidn't you tell us Fru is not an opiton?
Also, my message was more of a.... there are like 5 guys left in this tier already.
And JDF will make me sad.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 13, 2026, 02:02:26 PMIf it doesn't happen soon ish. We will get jumped.
That's all I'm saying.
Get it done.
We have had trouble with some german basketball agents before.
DM Muggsy. He posted that he "can eliminate agents." Time for him to come to the rescue.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 13, 2026, 02:02:26 PMIf it doesn't happen soon ish. We will get jumped.
That's all I'm saying.
Get it done.
We have had trouble with some german basketball agents before.
And here most of us thought "No" simply meant "No." Thanks for clearing that up!
Quote from: MU82 on April 13, 2026, 02:07:13 PMAnd here most of us thought "No" simply meant "No." Thanks for clearing that up!
You can think about me if they get him. I hope they land the plan because I am out on JDF, Mckeever, and nearly everyone else.
Riley is their main target.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 13, 2026, 09:03:39 AMThere are like 2,000 something guys in the portal. There are a lot of fits.
They likely have a long long long list of guys they like at different levels. They'll start at the top of their list and work their way down as needed.
Yeah, That is s strategy strategy working their way down. It would be much better to land some guys attention top of the list. Unless they are development projects.
Reel them in Shaka
This thread is fru-strating
Quote from: willie warrior on April 13, 2026, 02:30:03 PMYeah, That is s strategy strategy working their way down. It would be much better to land some guys attention top of the list. Unless they are development projects.
Reel them in Shaka
Thanks
https://x.com/CBBcontent/status/2039734505116742016?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
3 Million????
Quote from: nyg on April 13, 2026, 02:40:33 PMhttps://x.com/CBBcontent/status/2039734505116742016?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
3 Million????
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Quote from: nyg on April 13, 2026, 02:40:33 PMhttps://x.com/CBBcontent/status/2039734505116742016?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
3 Million????
Forget about it
Quote from: nyg on April 13, 2026, 02:40:33 PMhttps://x.com/CBBcontent/status/2039734505116742016?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
3 Million????
Ironically enough, that is also my asking price. Still waiting
Fru-gettabouthim!
(Actually, I have no earthly idea if the $3M asking price is real or, if so, if that would eliminate Marquette.)
Quote from: nyg on April 13, 2026, 02:40:33 PMhttps://x.com/CBBcontent/status/2039734505116742016?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
3 Million????
1 We have no idea if any of these " supposed asking prices" are true or not.......
2 if you believe the anonymous coaches quoted.......the price of poker has gone up.
So it is what it is........I choose to not focus on the money.......I'd really rather not know.......i will root for whoever we bring in and hope they play well and improve our team for next season.
Quote from: nyg on April 13, 2026, 02:40:33 PMhttps://x.com/CBBcontent/status/2039734505116742016?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
3 Million????
This tweet is 10 days old. We will see how accurate it ends up being.
Butler gets a guy from Kansas I had posted about here last week.
https://x.com/ButlerGuru/status/2043776311970410574
https://evanmiya.com/
Evan Miya has Fru as the #4 overall player in the portal (including those already committed to their new school). He would've been #5 in last year's portal.
So yeah, he's going to get paid. Hopefully by Marquette.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 13, 2026, 02:58:50 PMhttps://evanmiya.com/
Evan Miya has Fru as the #4 overall player in the portal (including those already committed to their new school). He would've been #5 in last year's portal.
So yeah, he's going to get paid. Hopefully by Marquette.
If there were ever a player to drop a bag for...
Quote from: nyg on April 13, 2026, 02:40:33 PMhttps://x.com/CBBcontent/status/2039734505116742016?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
3 Million????
Fru ain't free.
Quote from: MuMark on April 13, 2026, 02:47:09 PM1 We have no idea if any of these " supposed asking prices" are true or not.......
2 if you believe the anonymous coaches quoted.......the price of poker has gone up.
So it is what it is........I choose to not focus on the money.......I'd really rather not know.......i will root for whoever we bring in and hope they play well and improve our team for next season.
Yeah I'm with you on not focusing on the money. I hate that this is how college basketball has come to. I can imagine already if we get a guy like Fru and he gets injured or has a bad season and we can all talk about how they spent $3M on a bust. Oh well, it's what it is I guess.
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Quote from: Tha Hound on April 13, 2026, 03:07:35 PMIf there were ever a player to drop a bag for...
If that portal site is accurate in its NIL numbers, and the report that Fru is wanting 3m is accurate.... Thats 80% of the total NIL Marquette spent last season.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 13, 2026, 03:18:53 PMIf that portal site is accurate in its NIL numbers, and the report that Fru is wanting 3m is accurate.... Thats 80% of the total NIL Marquette spent last season.
Here's the thing. It's not accurate.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 13, 2026, 02:48:26 PMThis tweet is 10 days old. We will see how accurate it ends up being.
How?
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 13, 2026, 03:22:11 PMHow?
NCAA Rule 23.687-26 ii states, "
All NCAA D-1 men's basketball players whose name appear on http://www.muscoop.com, must disclose any and all payments made to them within 24 hours of agreeing to attend any member institution and participate on the men's basketball team".
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 13, 2026, 03:22:11 PMHow?
Well, I am assuming word will eventually get out. But maybe not.
Ian now following Fru.........
Quote from: MuMark on April 13, 2026, 04:31:34 PMIan now following Fru.........
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If Fru shows up, can not see holding on to the two stiffs they have! And pay them even a penny is ridiculous
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 13, 2026, 05:17:23 PMIf Fru shows up, can not see holding on to the two stiffs they have! And pay them even a penny is ridiculous
Cool.
For anyone interested, here (https://247sports.com/college/louisville/board/103990/contents/auf-wiedersehen-fru-279667916/?page=1) is Louisville's thread on Fru leaving.
Could just be speculation but someone posted 13 min ago, "Fru to Marquette."
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 13, 2026, 05:30:31 PMFor anyone interested, here (https://247sports.com/college/louisville/board/103990/contents/auf-wiedersehen-fru-279667916/?page=1) is Louisville's thread on Fru leaving.
Hm, I don't like that thread :o
QuotePerhaps Fru's personal ceiling is as a 4, but if so he has a lot to learn. More to learn, I think, than as a 5. He had a lot of blocks and, as you say, he was the closest thing we had to a rim protector, but in my mind that makes him a 5 not a 4. He has the quickness to play the 4 on defense, but he would be bullied by many 4s. I wish he were a 4, I really do, but if wishes were horses beggars would ride.
QuoteIt's pretty simple really. He has ZERO offensive skills to play the 5 and a little bit of offensive skills to play the 4. He's better utilized at the 5 on defense.
There were also a ton of comments about being used incorrectly and being poorly coached. Shaka has a nice track record with bigs like Fru, developing them into NBA bigs, Ill trust him to put Fru in the correct spots.
Owens now following him too
He can play the pick and roll which was a great O with Tyler and Oso. I am sure Shaka showed him how he can used at MU. Then Sheek and FRU can play the 4 when Royce needs a break.
He'll be a perfect fit if he can move confidently and competently in P&R action/catch the ball from James.
Even more the reason why 18 drove me insane. It's so hard to play as poorly as he did with such a guy like James who can get into the paint so well.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 13, 2026, 05:37:37 PMHm, I don't like that thread :o
Honestly, this sounds great to me. A rim protecting 5 who's athletic enough to guard on the perimeter? Absolutely nails what we most need on the roster.
Plus a spurned fanbase.
Seriously though, Evan Miya has him ranked the 4th best transfer in the country, above guys like Blackwell and Momcilovic. That's All American level.
Need to land him, but this is the type of addition that should let everyone know Marquette is serious about competing at a high level.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 13, 2026, 05:37:37 PMHm, I don't like that thread :o
Yeah maybe I'm glass-half-full but I saw WAY more posts saying how they wish he was staying and how Kelsey didn't utilize him properly.
Watching his highlights he wasn't asked to do literally anything but lobs and dunks, so I feel like a coach as good with bigs as Shaka can get way more out of him.
MU Fast Break posted that Fru is coming to MU. Is it legit?
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 13, 2026, 05:30:31 PMFor anyone interested, here (https://247sports.com/college/louisville/board/103990/contents/auf-wiedersehen-fru-279667916/?page=1) is Louisville's thread on Fru leaving.
Word is he is leaving because there are no good German restaurants near campus. Wiener Schnitzel means more to him than moneyI'm taking this comment from the Louisville thread as a joke, but funnily enough, Milwaukee
is known as the German Athens of America...
Rim protector.......took almost as many 2 point shots as Royce and made 78% of them.........62 dunks......our highest total this year was Royce with 23.
Ok he's probably not going to be Shaq but if we get him we just got a lot better.
Ps He even made 4 out of 8 3 pointers........I'm not going too make much of that but at least it's something to consider.
It would be nice if the patient waiting turned out to be Fru-tful.
Would be a nice guy for Sheek to go up against in practice everyday, too. Iron sharpens iron.
Willie is already workshopping nicknames if he comes for when he has a bad game:
Fru-itcake
Spoiled Fru-it
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 13, 2026, 06:07:19 PMWillie is already workshopping nicknames if he comes for when he has a bad game:
Fru-itcake
Spoiled Fru-it
Spelling is too good
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 13, 2026, 05:37:37 PMHm, I don't like that thread :o
I'm not sure Louisville fans are trustworthy. They enjoyed Kenny Payne basketball for a minute there.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 13, 2026, 06:05:35 PMWould be a nice guy for Sheek to go up against in practice everyday, too. Iron sharpens iron.
Perhaps this was Shaka's logic in retaining Caedin? He is a monster in practice, after all.
Quote from: The Thing on April 13, 2026, 05:58:04 PMMU Fast Break posted that Fru is coming to MU. Is it legit?
Probably, but he has no clue. He's just taking the info we all have and trying to make it his own.
Let's hope MU isn't too Fru-gal
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 13, 2026, 05:30:31 PMFor anyone interested, here (https://247sports.com/college/louisville/board/103990/contents/auf-wiedersehen-fru-279667916/?page=1) is Louisville's thread on Fru leaving.
Could just be speculation but someone posted 13 min ago, "Fru to Marquette."
Hopefully not the equivalent of our many hilarious "Buzz to ... " posts here on Scoop.
Time for Shaka to bring this to Fru-ition!
We want a bite of that Fru-it
I hope we bring it to Fru-ition
Ugh great minds think alike
Landing him would mean MU is more a-Fru-ent than I thought.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 13, 2026, 07:07:58 PMBetter matt heldt!
Why Matt Heldt, who was barely a better Caedin Hamilton?
Quote from: tower912 on April 13, 2026, 06:55:15 PMLanding him would mean MU is more a-Fru-ent than I thought.
Let's get it Fru-kin done already!
Quote from: MU82 on April 13, 2026, 07:09:51 PMWhy Matt Heldt, who was barely a better Caedin Hamilton?
Because he went all in on Marquette being a "poverty program" that wouldn't be competitive in the transfer market, but instead of admitting he was wrong, he is going to claim that the players Shaka gets aren't very good and therefore didn't cost a lot.
If Fru is on board, could staff be envisioning him more as a PF and still be going after Evans?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 13, 2026, 07:17:30 PMBecause he went all in on Marquette being a "poverty program" that wouldn't be competitive in the transfer market, but instead of admitting he was wrong, he is going to claim that the players Shaka gets aren't very good and therefore didn't cost a lot.
Or it's because he's literally a better Matt Heldt.
Highly efficient on offense, but shoots about 3 times a game. Defensive bully who can shove people around.
He's literally a better Matt Heldt.
Why would that be a bad thing?
Quote from: MU82 on April 13, 2026, 07:09:51 PMWhy Matt Heldt, who was barely a better Caedin Hamilton?
They have similar play styles? Thats news to me.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 13, 2026, 07:21:40 PMIf Fru is on board, could staff be envisioning him more as a PF and still be going after Evans?
Is there one other than the one who is going to Villanova that you are interested in?
Quote from: tower912 on April 13, 2026, 07:31:09 PMIs there one other than the one who is going to Villanova that you are interested in?
Kyle
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 13, 2026, 07:23:54 PMWorse wilt chamberlain!
I think wilt may have shot it a few more times
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 13, 2026, 07:35:29 PMI think wilt may have shot it a few more times
Supposedly over 20,000 times! LOL
A lot of reference on X that Fru has committed to MU.
Quote from: Viper on April 13, 2026, 07:48:20 PMA lot of reference on X that Fru has committed to MU.
Unfortunately, not a single reputable source says this, yet.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 13, 2026, 07:55:46 PMUnfortunately, not a single reputable source says this, yet.
Yeah, I think they are all just talking to one another too.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 13, 2026, 07:55:46 PMUnfortunately, not a single reputable source says this, yet.
MUfastbreak @FastBreakMU1 is the first post I came across...no idea if that's trustworthy
Low Hanging Fruit
Tooty Fruity
Fruit of the Loom
No Fruit cup for you
Fruit Cocktail
Fruit Salad
Quote from: Viper on April 13, 2026, 08:02:21 PMMUfastbreak @FastBreakMU1 is the first post I came across...no idea if that's trustworthy
It's not.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 13, 2026, 07:55:46 PMUnfortunately, not a single reputable source says this, yet.
In other words, unreliable sources repeating things posted by one or more other unreliable sources.
As long as nobody says it's a done deal.
Quote from: Viper on April 13, 2026, 08:02:21 PMMUfastbreak @FastBreakMU1 is the first post I came across...no idea if that's trustworthy
The account first posted five days ago.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 11, 2026, 10:27:21 PMLeft with the dentists. Whether because he had to or in solidarity, I do not know.
Maybe he's lurking on the meat eater's board.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 13, 2026, 07:59:55 PMYeah, I think they are all just talking to one another too.
Chicos just talking amongst his Twitter accounts?
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 13, 2026, 08:37:54 PMChicos just talking amongst his Twitter accounts?
dead internet theory!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 13, 2026, 06:07:19 PMWillie is already workshopping nicknames if he comes for when he has a bad game:
Fru-itcake
Spoiled Fru-it
Fru-Man-Chu
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 13, 2026, 07:21:40 PMIf Fru is on board, could staff be envisioning him more as a PF and still be going after Evans?
I think that's extremely unlikely. We would effectively have five bigs in the rotation were that to happen. It'd do more harm than good at that point.
If Fru is on board, it's because he's been assured that he'll be the starting 5 next year.
Edit: I forgot Joshua Clark exists, so we'd actually have six.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 13, 2026, 09:36:03 PMI think that's extremely unlikely. We would effectively have 5 bigs in the rotation were that to happen. It'd do more harm than good at that point.
If Fru is on board, it's because he's been assured that he'll be the starting 5 next year.
Maybe they promised dental school
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 13, 2026, 07:28:14 PMOr it's because he's literally a better Matt Heldt.
Highly efficient on offense, but shoots about 3 times a game. Defensive bully who can shove people around.
He's literally a better Matt Heldt.
Why would that be a bad thing?
Why? Because Matt Heldt was literally pretty bad at basketball. He was a starter by default the second half of his junior year, and then a little-used reserve again as a senior.
So if Fru is a better Heldt, I hope that means he's a way, way, WAY better Heldt. Kinda like Oso was a way, way, WAY better Burke.
Quote from: MU82 on April 13, 2026, 09:48:50 PMWhy? Because Matt Heldt was literally pretty bad at basketball. He was a starter by default the second half of his junior year, and then a little-used reserve again as a senior.
So if Fru is a better Heldt, I hope that means he's a way, way, WAY better Heldt. Kinda like Oso was a way, way, WAY better Burke.
Mate, it's not about the skill level of the player.
Its about the archetype of player they are.
Quote from: MU82 on April 13, 2026, 09:48:50 PMWhy? Because Matt Heldt was literally pretty bad at basketball. He was a starter by default the second half of his junior year, and then a little-used reserve again as a senior.
So if Fru is a better Heldt, I hope that means he's a way, way, WAY better Heldt. Kinda like Oso was a way, way, WAY better Burke.
Also fake news, matt started 32 games his junior year!
Hearing from a reputable source this will come to FRUition!
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 13, 2026, 10:20:43 PMHearing from a reputable source this will come to FRUition!
FRUCK YEAH!
The Fruture is now.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 13, 2026, 09:52:50 PMAlso fake news, matt started 32 games his junior year!
He started those games by default.
And he did such a bang-up job as a junior that he was rewarded with a whopping 6 mpg as a senior, mostly during garbage time.
Matt Heldt was bad at basketball. Compared to him, Ben Gold was Nicola Jokic.
https://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2043849470559891524?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
Fru # 34 on Field of 68 Transfer Portal Rankings
Quote from: MU82 on April 14, 2026, 12:27:02 AMHe started those games by default.
And he did such a bang-up job as a junior that he was rewarded with a whopping 6 mpg as a senior, mostly during garbage time.
Matt Heldt was bad at basketball. Compared to him, Ben Gold was Nicola Jokic.
Once again, no one has ever said Matt Heldt was good. You are taking the wrong information here.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 14, 2026, 05:12:25 AMOnce again, no one has ever said Matt Heldt was good. You are taking the wrong information here.
Matt Heldt and Sananda Fru do not have similar styles of play whatsoever. Fru had over 70 dunks last season and averaged 1.2 blocks per game.
Just because two guys shot a high field goal percentage does not mean they play a similar style.
Right now the situation is fru-strating. Let's hope negotiations are fru-itful.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 14, 2026, 02:42:55 AMhttps://x.com/thefieldof68/status/2043849470559891524?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
Fru # 34 on Field of 68 Transfer Portal Rankings
Unless I missed him Minessale is not top 100.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 14, 2026, 07:39:09 AMUnless I missed him Minessale is not top 100.
It just never stops raining
Quote from: wadesworld on April 14, 2026, 06:17:29 AMMatt Heldt and Sananda Fru do not have similar styles of play whatsoever. Fru had over 70 dunks last season and averaged 1.2 blocks per game.
Just because two guys shot a high field goal percentage does not mean they play a similar style.
What are you talking about? Fru and Ben Gold are both 6'11. Ben averaged 8.0/5.8 while Fru averaged 9.0/6.1.
They are essentially the same player. What is Shaka doing?!?!
Quote from: wadesworld on April 14, 2026, 06:17:29 AMMatt Heldt and Sananda Fru do not have similar styles of play whatsoever. Fru had over 70 dunks last season and averaged 1.2 blocks per game.
Just because two guys shot a high field goal percentage does not mean they play a similar style.
Exactly. Unleash just doesn't know what he's talking about.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 13, 2026, 09:51:08 PMMate, it's not about the skill level of the player.
Its about the archetype of player they are.
Why don't you just quit while you're behind? Your analogy is a very bad one. It's like saying Dirk Nowitzki is a better Ben Gold.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 13, 2026, 10:20:43 PMHearing from a reputable source this will come to FRUition!
Should I have a smidgen of fructose in my coffee this morning? Or should I hold off? Ty.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 14, 2026, 08:39:18 AMShould I have a smidgen of fructose in my coffee this morning? Or should I hold off? Ty.
Hold off. All the Marquette guys following him on Insta is actually them doing so in case he goes somewhere they want to transfer to.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 14, 2026, 08:53:03 AMHold off. All the Marquette guys following him on Insta is actually them doing so in case he goes somewhere they want to transfer to.
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If Shaka is going after Tylen Riley and Nolan Minessale, he's going to have to really manage that locker room as both aren't going to start for MU next year unless there's an injury to Adrien or Nigel. And if MU does bring in both, Nash Walker is going to be sitting quite a bit.
This squad would be pretty compelling:
PG: Nigel James
SG: Adrien Stevens
SF: Nolan Minessale
PF: Royce Parham
C: Sananda Fru
rotation: 10-20mpg
CG: Tylen Riley
PF/C: Sheek Pearson
Wing: Damarius Owens
Wing: Michael Phillips
deeper bench:
Wing: Alex Egbuonu
SG: Nash Walker
PF: Ian Miletic
Wing: Ethan Jonhston
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 14, 2026, 09:12:15 AMThis squad would be pretty compelling:
PG: Nigel James
SG: Adrien Stevens
SF: Nolan Minessale
PF: Royce Parham
C: Sananda Fru
rotation: 10-20mpg
CG: Tylen Riley
PF/C: Sheek Pearson
Wing: Damarius Owens
Wing: Michael Phillips
deeper bench:
Wing: Alex Egbuonu
SG: Nash Walker
PF: Ian Miletic
Wing: Ethan Jonhston
This would be my preferred roster.
EDIT: Assuming Momcilovic isn't realistic.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 14, 2026, 09:12:15 AMIf Shaka is going after Tylen Riley and Nolan Minessale, he's going to have to really manage that locker room as both aren't going to start for MU next year unless there's an injury to Adrien or Nigel. And if MU does bring in both, Nash Walker is going to be sitting quite a bit.
This squad would be pretty compelling:
PG: Nigel James
SG: Adrien Stevens
SF: Nolan Minessale
PF: Royce Parham
C: Sananda Fru
rotation: 10-20mpg
CG: Tylen Riley
PF/C: Sheek Pearson
Wing: Damarius Owens
Wing: Michael Phillips
deeper bench:
Wing: Alex Egbuonu
SG: Nash Walker
PF: Ian Miletic
Wing: Ethan Jonhston
Why assume Stevens starts over Riley?
If Shaka lands both Riley and Minessale, I'm not exactly sure how the rotation shakes out. Any 2 between Stevens, Riley, and Minessale could start.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 14, 2026, 06:17:29 AMMatt Heldt and Sananda Fru do not have similar styles of play whatsoever. Fru had over 70 dunks last season and averaged 1.2 blocks per game.
Just because two guys shot a high field goal percentage does not mean they play a similar style.
Can't help you with the dunk stat, but Heldt averaged 1.0 blocks per game.
If you really dont see strikingly similar archetypes, I can't help you. But you do you.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 14, 2026, 06:17:29 AMMatt Heldt and Sananda Fru do not have similar styles of play whatsoever. Fru had over 70 dunks last season and averaged 1.2 blocks per game.
Just because two guys shot a high field goal percentage does not mean they play a similar style.
Matt Heldt was my uber driver once - a year or two after he graduated. The real debate here is does Sanada Fru have his drivers license?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 14, 2026, 08:35:51 AMWhy don't you just quit while you're behind? Your analogy is a very bad one. It's like saying Dirk Nowitzki is a better Ben Gold.
Sure! They also have a similar play style. Itd be a super strange comparison since Dirk has zero to do with Marquette.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 14, 2026, 09:53:27 AMSure! They also have a similar play style. Itd be a super strange comparison since Dirk has zero to do with Marquette.
I can't tell if you are trolling or not but Fru literally scored 70 points more in his one season than Matt Heldt scored in 4 years. They aren't even similar statistically let alone in actual play style.
Quote from: Bahama on April 14, 2026, 09:52:38 AMMatt Heldt was my uber driver once - a year or two after he graduated. The real debate here is does Sanada Fru have his drivers license?
Does he roll through stop signs like all his moving screens?
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 14, 2026, 09:41:49 AMCan't help you with the dunk stat, but Heldt averaged 1.0 blocks per game.
If you really dont see strikingly similar archetypes, I can't help you. But you do you.
I will gladly "do me" if it means that I can differentiate between basketball players beyond what their field goal percentage was. But Shaq shot 61% from the field in college, Heldt shot 64% from the field, so because of Shaq's higher volume, he is a better version of Held. Neither shot 3s and both were efficient on 2s.
Tylen Riley is not going to transfer to come off the bench.
Quote from: Norm on April 14, 2026, 10:22:58 AMTylen Riley is not going to transfer to come off the bench.
You may be right, but there's an easy workaround for that by just starting Riley and having Minessale off the bench. Probably not the ideal size in the back court of a starting lineup but it would still work. Minessale is versatile enough to come off the bench and fill in 1-3 as needed, Owens 2-4.
James Jr.
Riley
Stevens
Parham
Fru
Minessale
Owens
Phillips
Pearson
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Flag drop / mic drop. 11 AM CT. Am I too hopeful?
The combo guard seems like the thought.....Then when James is resting.....Put Stevens at the point. Or some other version of combo.....Let's face it....James is playing 30 a game....
A back up point is probably not in the cards....
A combo guard that shoots could be a good "change-up" diversifier for the line-up thing.....
I am assuming two combo guards in the line-up together with Owens to have 3 ball handlers on the floor....
If you try for a point guard.....It will not be a quality player....
I would rather get a 2027 recruit to learn from James in his last year or two.....
His size will limit his draft year.....Not saying we won't have to pay him a $hit ton.....
Video of Fru from when he was playing in Germany, plus a scouting report from when Fru committed to Louisville.
https://x.com/i/status/1889358284743688358
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 14, 2026, 10:30:30 AMFlag drop / mic drop. 11 AM CT. Am I too hopeful?
In 2021, the official announcement came a day later (April 15, 2021) at 11:06 AM.
Also I am amused the future NBA guys got thrown in the back.
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1382727042563727369?s=46
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 14, 2026, 10:42:25 AMVideo of Fru from when he was playing in Germany, plus a scouting report from when Fru committed to Louisville.
https://x.com/i/status/1889358284743688358
Yeah, very reminiscent of Matt Heldt. And if there's one thing I think of when I think of Matt Heldt, it's a guy with incredible lateral quickness for a big and an ability to switch onto guards on the perimeter. :o
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 14, 2026, 10:47:03 AMIn 2021, the official announcement came a day later (April 15, 2021) at 11:06 AM.
I've got 24 hours of hitting reload!?!? ;D
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 14, 2026, 10:48:15 AMI've got 24 hours of hitting reload!?!? ;D
If I remember correctly, all the news broke on April 14th... with the exception of Emarion Ellis who jumped the gun on the 13th.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 14, 2026, 10:30:30 AMFlag drop / mic drop. 11 AM CT. Am I too hopeful?
False alarm...
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 14, 2026, 11:11:17 AMFalse alarm...
If it's not at 4:14 PM, I have lost all faith in marketing....
I hope all of those MU players following him has a positive in-fru-nce.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 14, 2026, 10:20:41 AMI will gladly "do me" if it means that I can differentiate between basketball players beyond what their field goal percentage was. But Shaq shot 61% from the field in college, Heldt shot 64% from the field, so because of Shaq's higher volume, he is a better version of Held. Neither shot 3s and both were efficient on 2s.
Shaqs usage was infinity more then either heldt's or frus.
The fru-mpy scoopers are getting restless.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 14, 2026, 11:25:49 AMThe fru-mpy scoopers are getting restless.
Fruck you. I'd take any transfer news.
Matt Heldt had a total of 143 FGA in 4 seasons.
Sanada Fru had 170 FGA in 1 season.
Yep, practically identical!
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 14, 2026, 11:30:43 AMMatt Heldt had a total of 143 FGA in 4 seasons.
Sanada Fru had 170 FGA in 1 season.
Yep, practically identical!
You can't see how similarly they play from the video you shared?
https://x.com/PDTScouting/status/1889358284743688358?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1889358284743688358%7Ctwgr%5E0fe87a3da9ee8523c4584a34ba2088196c97389e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.muscoop.com%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D66972.3100
Or from this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWJ87KI6F8w&t=1s
It's uncanny how similar they play.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 14, 2026, 11:30:43 AMMatt Heldt had a total of 143 FGA in 4 seasons.
Sanada Fru had 170 FGA in 1 season.
Yep, practically identical!
What a silly silly silly thing to say.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 14, 2026, 11:33:17 AMYou can't see how similarly they play from the video you shared?
https://x.com/PDTScouting/status/1889358284743688358?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1889358284743688358%7Ctwgr%5E0fe87a3da9ee8523c4584a34ba2088196c97389e%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.muscoop.com%2Findex.php%3Ftopic%3D66972.3100
Or from this one?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWJ87KI6F8w&t=1s
It's uncanny how similar they play.
thanks, absolutely better Matt Heldt.
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I guess the main question is, did Louisville outbid us, or did we underbid?
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The longer this takes, the longer Shaka has to change his mind on Sean and Tre.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 14, 2026, 12:10:30 PMI guess the main question is, did Louisville outbid us, or did we underbid?
Did I miss some news?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 14, 2026, 12:13:46 PMDid I miss some news?
I think he is thinking the Louisville blurb from Jovic was from today. It's from 2025 Billy! We're all good yet.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 14, 2026, 12:10:30 PMI guess the main question is, did Louisville outbid us, or did we underbid?
Considering he left Louisville it feels like there's a good chance we outbid them.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 14, 2026, 12:25:11 PMI think he is thinking the Louisville blurb from Jovic was from today. It's from 2025 Billy! We're all good yet.
Good call. Let's just hope we get a commitment soon!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 14, 2026, 12:25:11 PMI think he is thinking the Louisville blurb from Jovic was from today. It's from 2025 Billy! We're all good yet.
my bad for not looking at the date. Thanks for the clarification. I can put the bourbon away for now.
Interesting read on the portal marketplace.
https://blog.evanmiya.com/p/nil-market-trends-you-need-to-know
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Note: To clear up any confusion, the numbers above are not some kind of average/median payment for those positions. It's what players of equal value are receiving relative to the market, i.e. bigs are getting overpaid, point guards are being underpaid.
Shifting gears from all the Matt Heldt comparisons...
My favorite names I've seen while perusing the portal news...
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 14, 2026, 12:33:20 PMmy bad for not looking at the date. Thanks for the clarification. I can put the bourbon away for now.
But will you pull the Bourbon back out in the event of celebration? That is the question.Or is it only a drink for the sorrows?
What's the celebratory choice?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 14, 2026, 12:46:27 PMInteresting read on the portal marketplace.
https://blog.evanmiya.com/p/nil-market-trends-you-need-to-know
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taller players are better at basketball.
I am stunned
Quote from: jfp61 on April 14, 2026, 12:48:29 PMtaller players are better at basketball.
I am stunned
That's your takeaway? :o
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 14, 2026, 12:48:13 PMBut will you pull the Bourbon back out in the event of celebration? That is the question.Or is it only a drink for the sorrows?
What's the celebratory choice?
mourning choice - the Old Crow I have for mixing.
celebratory choice - either the Nelson Brothers' my wife custom bottled at the distillery, or maybe a swerve to Redbreast 12.
Quote from: tsciii on April 14, 2026, 12:47:16 PMShifting gears from all the Matt Heldt comparisons...
My favorite names I've seen while perusing the portal news...
Jizzil James is the son of Edgerrin James
Quote from: tsciii on April 14, 2026, 12:47:16 PMShifting gears from all the Matt Heldt comparisons...
My favorite names I've seen while perusing the portal news...
Fun facts, Jizzle James is the son of former Miami Hurricanes and Indianapolis Colts RB Edgerrin James. Always Wright and All Wright are brothers.
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Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2026, 12:58:00 PMFun facts, Jizzle James is the son of former Miami Hurricanes and Indianapolis Colts RB Edgerrin James. Always Wright and All Wright are brothers.
The Wright brothers are high flyers.
Quote from: tsciii on April 14, 2026, 12:47:16 PMShifting gears from all the Matt Heldt comparisons...My favorite names I've seen while perusing the portal news...
I'd love it if MU were in on Armani Mighty.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 14, 2026, 12:48:29 PMtaller players are better at basketball.
I am stunned
Quote from: Pakuni on April 14, 2026, 12:46:27 PMInteresting read on the portal marketplace.
https://blog.evanmiya.com/p/nil-market-trends-you-need-to-know
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Note: To clear up any confusion, the numbers above are not some kind of average/median payment for those positions. It's what players of equal value are receiving relative to the market, i.e. bigs are getting overpaid, point guards are being underpaid.
What are Hamilton and Clark waiting for. Enter the portal, unless that is what Marquette is paying them.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 14, 2026, 01:06:03 PMWhat are Hamilton and Clark waiting for. Enter the portal, unless that is what Marquette is paying them.
That is not what every player gets at that position. Neither of the two you mentioned would command that.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 14, 2026, 01:06:03 PMWhat are Hamilton and Clark waiting for. Enter the portal, unless that is what Marquette is paying them.
Dumbo, those aren't dollar values being paid. Look it as "centers are paid approx 1.3x of the "norm"", that's all.
I had read some of Evan's post earlier today and was thinking of emailing him (and others).
I could be missing something, but I think everyone is way the f@@@ off re: what kids will be getting paid in 2026-27.
Jokes aside... Hamilton and Clark were still better than two of the shorties who transfered out.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 14, 2026, 01:06:03 PMWhat are Hamilton and Clark waiting for. Enter the portal, unless that is what Marquette is paying them.
Basically, what this chart is saying is that if all players produced $1 million in value, here's what they would be getting paid in the current market.
So, point guards who produce $1 million in value are getting paid $813K, while centers who produce $1 million in value are getting $1.3 million. The market is overpaying centers relative to the value they actually provide a team.
That said, more goes into determining market value than actual production, such as actual or perceived scarcity. My guess is there are more 6'1" point guards who can produce $1 million in value than 6'11" centers, hence the income disparity.
St. Johns finally lands their PG. A 23 year old out of the Euro League. A lot of former NBA players in that league.
https://x.com/i/status/2044117226500809078
Quote from: Pakuni on April 14, 2026, 01:05:18 PMI'd love it if MU were in on Armani Mighty.
Already committed to Pitt.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 14, 2026, 01:05:18 PMI'd love it if MU were in on Armani Mighty.
Too late — He's committed to Pitt
Playing around with the Rostercast tool on torvik (yeah it's too early but I can't help myself), Marquette is ranked #31 for next year as things stand. Adding Fru bumps us to #20. Add Fru and Minessale were #15.
Things will of course change in the next few months, but safe to say adding just those two would be a big help. Hope we get some good news soon.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 14, 2026, 01:28:51 PMSt. Johns finally lands their PG. A 23 year old out of the Euro League. A lot of former NBA players in that league.
https://x.com/i/status/2044117226500809078
I believe that leaves Marquette and UConn as the only Big East programs not to have officially landed a portal guy.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 14, 2026, 01:29:32 PMAlready committed to Pitt.
Missed that. Bummer for me.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 14, 2026, 01:28:51 PMSt. Johns finally lands their PG. A 23 year old out of the Euro League. A lot of former NBA players in that league.
https://x.com/i/status/2044117226500809078
Couldn't afford Nigel's $6M contract.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 14, 2026, 01:32:19 PMI believe that leaves Marquette and UConn as the only Big East programs not to have officially landed a portal guy.
He's never played in college, so this isn't a portal addition. It's adding a 23 year old who has played 3 years professionally in Europe.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 14, 2026, 01:33:01 PMMissed that. Bummer for me.
is it a bad time to say that Jizzle James is following Wes Miller to Charlotte?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 14, 2026, 12:55:28 PMmourning choice - the Old Crow I have for mixing.
celebratory choice - either the Nelson Brothers' my wife custom bottled at the distillery, or maybe a swerve to Redbreast 12.
Big fan of Nelson Brothers
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 14, 2026, 01:06:03 PMWhat are Hamilton and Clark waiting for. Enter the portal, unless that is what Marquette is paying them.
🤠
Seems like the only team to worry about relative to Fru is Iowa - in that they're literally the only other school he's been linked to. Iowa fans still feel like it's McKeever (SMC) or Scharnowski (Belmont) for them so let's hope we can close things out soon.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 14, 2026, 07:39:09 AMUnless I missed him Minessale is not top 100.
Thanks, eeyore69, for proving the theory that the biggest Scoop mopes will whine even if Shaka uses the transfer portal.
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Quote from: Tha Hound on April 14, 2026, 01:31:00 PMPlaying around with the Rostercast tool on torvik (yeah it's too early but I can't help myself), Marquette is ranked #31 for next year as things stand. Adding Fru bumps us to #20. Add Fru and Minessale were #15.
Things will of course change in the next few months, but safe to say adding just those two would be a big help. Hope we get some good news soon.
A 12-20 marquette team being ranked #31... that's surprising
Quote from: wadesworld on April 14, 2026, 01:38:21 PMHe's never played in college, so this isn't a portal addition. It's adding a 23 year old who has played 3 years professionally in Europe.
Ya but you're just splitting hairs at that point! He's just a late bloomer.
In reality, this is college basketball now.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 14, 2026, 01:59:30 PMA 12-20 marquette team being ranked #31... that's surprising
Yes, well, it's WAY to early to use those projections, but does highlight how much other teams lost (i.e. seniors) vs Marquette. I think (I heard here...) Michigan doesn't return a single starter...etc. In that way, we might be disappointed to only be sitting at #31.
We'll see where we land after rosters get a little further along.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 14, 2026, 02:00:50 PMYa but you're just splitting hairs at that point! He's just a late bloomer.
In reality, this is college basketball now.
Eh, when we targeted a European player last summer (summer '24 maybe?) I was told, by Pak IIRC, that it didn't count as Shaka going after a transfer because he wasn't coming from another NCAA school.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 14, 2026, 02:00:50 PMYa but you're just splitting hairs at that point! He's just a late bloomer.
In reality, this is college basketball now.
I'm really not sure what's "splitting hairs" about this. He's not a portal addition.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 14, 2026, 02:08:02 PMEh, when we targeted a European player last summer (summer '24 maybe?) I was told, by Pak IIRC, that it didn't count as Shaka going after a transfer because he wasn't coming from another NCAA school.
Link?
Also, targeting a player is not a synonym for signing a player.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 14, 2026, 01:38:21 PMHe's never played in college, so this isn't a portal addition. It's adding a 23 year old who has played 3 years professionally in Europe.
Fine.
MU and UConn are the only Big East program not to make an addition since the portal opened.
Better?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 14, 2026, 02:11:35 PMFine.
MU and UConn are the only Big East program not to make an addition since the portal opened.
Better?
Sure.
We should fold our program.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 14, 2026, 02:10:05 PMLink?
Also, targeting a player is not a synonym for signing a player.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66972.msg1737918#msg1737918
Targeting a European player, told that he was
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 01:38:25 PMnot a portal player.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 14, 2026, 01:38:21 PMHe's never played in college, so this isn't a portal addition. It's adding a 23 year old who has played 3 years professionally in Europe.
So, a 23yo frosh? College bball is ridiculous
Quote from: wadesworld on April 14, 2026, 02:12:13 PMSure.
We should fold our program.
Yes, that's exactly what I wrote.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 14, 2026, 02:14:39 PMhttps://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66972.msg1737918#msg1737918
Targeting a European player, told that he was
So, I was correct?
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 14, 2026, 02:14:39 PMTargeting a European player, told that he was
Forgot about him. Stats at FAU no bueno.
MU landing a transfer would really brighten this day. Otherwise I might have to cancel taco night!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 14, 2026, 11:28:34 AMFruck you. I'd take any transfer news.
Frug it. Frugging reel him in Shaka. If you dont land him you will be frugged. For Frugs sake Shaka, Frug the NIL ask and reel him in.
Quote from: The Lens on April 14, 2026, 01:04:36 PMThe Wright brothers are high flyers.
Wright uou are. They are the new Wrighteous Brothers. Great duo.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 14, 2026, 02:18:56 PMSo, I was correct?
If by correct you mean inconsistent.
MU goes after a European that has never played in college = not a transfer portal player.
StJ goes after a European that has never played in college = transfer portal player.
Don't need to read that much into it, just noting inconsistancies.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 14, 2026, 02:24:09 PMDon't need to read that much into it, just noting inconsistancies.
Uhhh...
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 14, 2026, 01:28:51 PMSt. Johns finally lands their PG. A 23 year old out of the Euro League. A lot of former NBA players in that league.
https://x.com/i/status/2044117226500809078
The gap widens. Enter Reeker with some snarky half assed denial.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 14, 2026, 02:24:09 PMIf by correct you mean inconsistent.
MU goes after a European that has never played in college = not a transfer portal player.
StJ goes after a European that has never played in college = transfer portal player.
Don't need to read that much into it, just noting inconsistancies.
Or maybe I made a simple mistake about the St. John's recruit, to which I admitted.
But you got me, so bully for you.
Quote from: 79Warrior on April 14, 2026, 01:09:24 PMThat is not what every player gets at that position. Neither of the two you mentioned would command that.
No kidding!
Quote from: willie warrior on April 14, 2026, 02:25:59 PMThe gap widens. Enter Reeker with some snarky half assed denial.
Every time you post about Rico you remind us all of the irony of the quote in your profile.
You just can't quit him.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 14, 2026, 02:31:36 PMOr maybe I made a simple mistake about the St. John's recruit, to which I admitted.
But you got me, so bully for you.
Wasn't trying to "get" you or anything. Pointed out an inconsistency and provided proof when asked for it. Again, nothing really to read into.
I would very much consider it a grey area, just as I would have when we were pursuing an European player. Are they transferring from another NCAA school? No. Should the expectations for them be what they are for a normal recruit coming from High School? Also no.
Quote from: Oldgym on April 14, 2026, 02:33:36 PMEvery time you post about Rico you remind us all of the irony of the quote in your profile.
You just can't quit him.
And I'm the one that said to hire Pitino after Wojo got fired. SMDH. Guess the gap is also between Wilbur's ears
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 14, 2026, 01:28:51 PMSt. Johns finally lands their PG. A 23 year old out of the Euro League. A lot of former NBA players in that league.
And now Darling enters the portal
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 14, 2026, 02:59:09 PMAnd now Darling enters the portal
If we can get him for 80 bucks it's worth it
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 14, 2026, 02:59:09 PMAnd now Darling enters the portal
WE could see a similar thing happen.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 14, 2026, 03:02:24 PMWE could see a similar thing happen.
Yup. That's a perfect example of a player not entering the portal until after his team adds a player at his position.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 14, 2026, 02:04:30 PMYes, well, it's WAY to early to use those projections, but does highlight how much other teams lost (i.e. seniors) vs Marquette. I think (I heard here...) Michigan doesn't return a single starter...etc. In that way, we might be disappointed to only be sitting at #31.
We'll see where we land after rosters get a little further along.
Michigan does return at least one starter (Cadeau) and it is not certain that Johnson will be going to the NBA. Mara is likely headed to the draft.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 14, 2026, 02:08:16 PMI'm really not sure what's "splitting hairs" about this. He's not a portal addition.
Should I retroactively go back and add teal?
Quote from: mix it up on April 14, 2026, 02:18:16 PMSo, a 23yo frosh? College bball is ridiculous
My other post got lost in translation. Sarcasm is too strong for most here I guess.
This is exactly what I meant.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 14, 2026, 02:25:59 PMThe gap widens. Enter Reeker with some snarky half assed denial.
Wow, joyless willie ... Rico resides rent-free in that hollowed-out noggin' of yours.
Quote from: MU82 on April 14, 2026, 03:15:34 PMWow, joyless willie ... Rico resides rent-free in that hollowed-out noggin' of yours.
They both live free in each others heads. Romantic 💘
Quote from: wisblue on April 14, 2026, 03:09:49 PMMichigan does return at least one starter (Cadeau) and it is not certain that Johnson will be going to the NBA. Mara is likely headed to the draft.
Michigan also has McKinney coming back and a loaded recruiting class.
Still feel good about Fru, but agents are annoying.
Let's collectively will a McKeever-Iowa commitment in the mean time.
Quote from: onepost on April 14, 2026, 04:12:04 PMStill feel good about Fru, but agents are annoying.
Let's collectively will a McKeever-Iowa commitment in the mean time.
This place is going to be hilarious if Fru falls thru.
A whole lot of wasted puns.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 14, 2026, 11:14:17 AMIf it's not at 4:14 PM, I have lost all faith in marketing....
Well, you can join
@brewcity77. Though you didn't specify time zone...
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 14, 2026, 01:28:51 PMSt. Johns finally lands their PG. A 23 year old out of the Euro League. A lot of former NBA players in that league.
https://x.com/i/status/2044117226500809078
Snark and portal/no portal debate aside, this will be a fascinating look at EuroLeague vs college/G League levels.
We've seen the gap from EuroLeague to NBA. The EuroLeague is fantastic very high level basketball, but a EuroLeague superstar like Mike James comes back to the NBA at his peak and can't get off the bench for the Nets. Kendrick Nunn had some nice seasons for the Heat but fell off and wasn't even starting on a bad Lakers team and a HORRIBLE Wizards team but headed to Europe and was the best player in the Euroleague the last 2 seasons, along with Carsen Edwards who had the same issue. But that's the NBA
Meanwhile, a lot of the Euro guys in college were raw prospects who played in the developmental teams for major clubs or small minutes for the main club. But Ellis has been really good for good teams.
He was the ROY in Italy, one of the top 3 European domestic leagues. Then he got the bump up to Olimpia Milano and has averaged 9/3/5 in the EuroLeague. Even high level NCAA ball is gonna be a notable step down in competition. The best 20-25 players in the NCAA are better than the best in Italy/EuroLeague, but the vast majority of the guys who plays against next year will be less skilled and less savvy than the guys he played against for the last 2-3 years. And that's not even factoring in his age. I'd be shocked if he's not 1st team BE, especially with a coach like Pitino
This is really getting Fru-strating!!
I want some news!
Quote from: The Thing on April 14, 2026, 04:37:57 PMThis is really getting Fru-strating!!
I want some news!
Patience! People with 7 figure incomes are busy today reviewing their tax docs with their CPAs before filing by midnight.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 14, 2026, 04:15:11 PMThis place is going to be hilarious if Fru falls thru.
Nobody has any idea what is going on, so tough to get upset if he goes elsewhere.
Quote from: onepost on April 14, 2026, 01:50:17 PMSeems like the only team to worry about relative to Fru is Iowa - in that they're literally the only other school he's been linked to. Iowa fans still feel like it's McKeever (SMC) or Scharnowski (Belmont) for them so let's hope we can close things out soon.
If we build our Court of Dreams he will come.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 14, 2026, 04:41:13 PMPatience! People with 7 figure incomes are busy today reviewing their tax docs with their CPAs before filing by midnight.
Wrong day, bud.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 14, 2026, 05:09:29 PMnm
You sonnnna bitch got me good for a second. I was pretty lazy on doing personal taxes, and was planning for tomorrow around noon.
I wonder if they are waiting to make an announcement for all of their portal signings?
No intel on Fru or Minessale visiting campus and Riley won't head to Milwaukee until the weekend.
Quote from: MU82 on April 14, 2026, 03:15:34 PMWow, joyless willie ... Rico resides rent-free in that hollowed-out noggin' of yours.
You have that wrong. He knows the gap widens as you do, but you both fail to admit it. Would rather use personal insults. You subscribe to the theory If you cant argue the facts, pound on the table and hurl insults. Speaking of insults, you are one. I guess I reside rent free in your gourd also.
Art
Quote from: williewarrior on April 14, 2026, 05:57:29 PMYou have that wrong. He knows the gap widens as you do, but you both fail to admit it. Would rather use personal insults. You subscribe to the theory If you cant argue the facts, pound on the table and hurl insults.
You literally called Rico a "dork" in your last post.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 14, 2026, 06:00:40 PMYou literally called Rico a "dork" in your last post.
I believe he has described multiple Marquette basketball players using slang for the rectum, male and female genitalia, feces and/or urine and other schoolyard insults.
The cognitive dissonance is remarkable and could be studied by scientists for years.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 14, 2026, 05:54:08 PMI wonder if they are waiting to make an announcement for all of their portal signings?
No intel on Fru or Minessale visiting campus and Riley won't head to Milwaukee until the weekend.
But why?
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 14, 2026, 05:54:08 PMI wonder if they are waiting to make an announcement for all of their portal signings?
No intel on Fru or Minessale visiting campus and Riley won't head to Milwaukee until the weekend.
Definitely not.
A boring week of portal action.
Sucks when everyone else around us is dropping bags of cash all over the place. Hopefully our slow-play works.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 14, 2026, 07:44:51 PMA boring week of portal action.
Sucks when everyone else around us is dropping bags of cash all over the place. Hopefully our slow-play works.
It doesn't seem like the commits have been as fast and furious. Also, just because we haven't heard much news doesn't mean we are slow-playing.
Quote from: williewarrior on April 14, 2026, 05:57:29 PMYou have that wrong. He knows the gap widens as you do, but you both fail to admit it. Would rather use personal insults. You subscribe to the theory If you cant argue the facts, pound on the table and hurl insults. Speaking of insults, you are one. I guess I reside rent free in your gourd also.
It's the fake williewarrior. The one that can string a sentence together.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on April 14, 2026, 07:47:46 PMIt's the fake williewarrior. The one that can string a sentence together.
They're multiplying like gremlins
https://x.com/RY3_bread/status/2043786804407464376?s=20
Scoop for the last 3 years: I can't believe Shaka is costing us good players by not working with agents! (Despite signing players with agents, recommending agents to his players, etc.)
Scoop when Shaka has to go through negotiations in the portal: Why isn't Shaka just snapping his fingers and getting top portal players?!
Can't find it anywhere but I just saw Magoon Gwath to DePaul. Seems like a joke
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 14, 2026, 09:36:21 PMCan't find it anywhere but I just saw Magoon Gwath to DePaul. Seems like a joke
Woah! It's real.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 14, 2026, 09:36:21 PMCan't find it anywhere but I just saw Magoon Gwath to DePaul. Seems like a joke
Confirmed by recruitsnews on IG. Can't tell the way you're using "joke" here, but I have seen people joke that Mark Pope was shoved in a locker by DePaul. Apparently Kentucky was predicted to land Gwath last offseason but didn't, then went after him again, only to have the same thing happen.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 14, 2026, 05:59:11 PMArt
Yup. joyless willie is as precious as a pile of dung.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 14, 2026, 09:47:44 PMConfirmed by recruitsnews on IG. Can't tell the way you're using "joke" here, but I have seen people joke that Mark Pope was shoved in a locker by DePaul. Apparently Kentucky was predicted to land Gwath last offseason but didn't, then went after him again, only to have the same thing happen.
Gwath is the real deal.
Don't believe the headlines or the Miya stuff.
The reality is the BEast will wisely use its major advantage in bball player direct payments, while other high majors try to figure out wtf they can do.
Gonna be a much tougher league going forward compared to this past year when schools were timid.
Good for DePaul. Them making the tournament would be sick. As a Chicagoan I'd pop into a non-MU game over there if the squad is legit
With the coach....
Players will come....
Holdman is a good to great coach....
If we had an opening. He would near to the top of my list....
DePaul is starting to become relevant again....
I hope Georgetown keeps the "fraud"....
But after they crash and burn again this season....
I think the jig will be up....
Relevancy is not a 6 win Big East record and 5k attendance....
Getting rid of him this year was just to expensive....
Quote from: burger on April 15, 2026, 06:45:10 AMWith the coach....
Players will come....
Holdman is a good to great coach....
If we had an opening. He would near to the top of my list....
DePaul is starting to become relevant again....
I hope Georgetown keeps the "fraud"....
But after they crash and burn again this season....
I think the jig will be up....
Relevancy is not a 6 win Big East record and 5k attendance....
Getting rid of him this year was just to expensive....
Surprised. . . . holdman. . . . Didn't . . . .
. . . Try and poach. .
Nygel Jaymes
Would be nice to get some Marquette news today. Hopefully we didn't lowball Fru and he's looking elsewhere
Quote from: burger on April 15, 2026, 06:45:10 AMWith the coach....
Players will come....
Holdman is a good to great coach....
If we had an opening. He would near to the top of my list....
DePaul is starting to become relevant again....
I hope Georgetown keeps the "fraud"....
But after they crash and burn again this season....
I think the jig will be up....
Relevancy is not a 6 win Big East record and 5k attendance....
Getting rid of him this year was just to expensive....
Wojo did a great job recruiting against Holdman to get Ramsey.
Quote from: warriors141 on April 15, 2026, 07:31:38 AMWould be nice to get some Marquette news today. Hopefully we didn't lowball Fru and he's looking elsewhere
Logically, I can't imagine there would be smoke with Fru at this point if we had lowballed him.
From The Athletic:
What does it cost to build a winner in men's college basketball these days?
"I think if you're serious about being in the pursuit of championships," a high-major assistant told The Athletic last month, "you've gotta get to a $10 million roster."
And that, apparently, is on the low end.
More than 2,000 players have entered the transfer portal since it opened last Tuesday, the day after Michigan's national championship win over UConn. Over the last month, The Athletic has polled college basketball coaches and general managers about the cost of doing business, particularly at the high-major level.
The consensus is that the average roster at that level next season will be in the $10 million to $12 million range, with one general manager estimating that most schools have added at least $2 million to their expected roster cost compared to last season. Another, who said his school was at $5 million last year, said his program will almost double that this year. His team had success this season, so its administration has invested to try to keep the momentum going. The top-end spenders from last year are mostly staying where they were, but others are playing catch-up, meaning there are more teams spending more money.
"The numbers," the first GM said, "are insane right now."
The GM ballparked the price of the current market:
• Borderline starter? "An agent will start at $1.5 million."
• A definite starter, but not all-conference? "$2.5 million."
• A player projected to be all-conference? "$3 million and above."
• A player projected to be an NBA Draft pick? "$3 million floor. Basically, it's 30 percent of your budget. So if you've got $12 million, that guy is likely up to $4 million."
As for a position breakdown, the consensus is that centers, especially those with skill, are the most expensive and hardest to find, followed by point guards. Evan Miyakawa, who runs the analytics site evanmiya.com, has data from 30 teams that input player salaries in his front office tool. According to data he published on Tuesday, the NIL market for Division I players is up 65 percent from last year, with a 73 percent increase for players on power-conference teams.
The anecdotal data support Miyakawa's findings. Former Kansas center Flory Bidunga, the top-ranked player in The Athletic's portal rankings, committed to Louisville this weekend, and the number floating around for his price tag was $5 million.
https://stormthepaint.com/joson-sanon-entering-transfer-portal-as-st-johns-basketball-roster-begins-to-take-shape
Sanon to the portal. Is the GAP shrinking?
The silence is deafening.
Quote from: warriors141 on April 15, 2026, 07:31:38 AMWould be nice to get some Marquette news today. Hopefully we didn't lowball Fru and he's looking elsewhere
Reel them in Shaka
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 15, 2026, 09:21:23 AMhttps://stormthepaint.com/joson-sanon-entering-transfer-portal-as-st-johns-basketball-roster-begins-to-take-shape
Sanon to the portal. Is the GAP shrinking?
Doubt it. Sleazeball Pitino won't let it.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 13, 2026, 01:43:10 PMIt's absolutely an upgrade over any center we've had since Oso. Pair him with bully-ball Royce and Sheek's versatility. I hope Josh can bulk up to add some muscle. I like that frontcourt quite a bit on paper.
I hope Tylen Riley signs with us this coming weekend, but that trip to Maryland has me worried...
Maryland just landed Bishop Boswell. Different type of guard, but a guard nonetheless. Also started 33 games for Tenn so you would assume he'd command a starting spot at Mary. One fewer roster spot + one more player that they have to pay. Can't hurt our chances.
Quote from: warriors141 on April 15, 2026, 07:31:38 AMWould be nice to get some Marquette news today.
People are gonna be really normal this weekend when marquette gets its first transfer and it isn't a big
Quote from: willie warrior on April 15, 2026, 10:10:22 AMDoubt it. Sleazeball Pitino won't let it.
#fakenews #lies
Pitino has had many players transfer through the years.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 15, 2026, 10:39:26 AM#fakenews #lies
Pitino has had many players transfer through the years.
Pitino knows how to cut ties.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 15, 2026, 10:20:07 AMPeople are gonna be really normal this weekend when marquette gets its first transfer and it isn't a big
Sane people will be perfectly normal.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 15, 2026, 10:43:20 AMPitino knows how to cut ties.
He should have been Marquette's choice the day they dumped Wojo but the woke mob lead by Willie wouldn't hire him and we now have a massive gap.
Slick Rick would have been the greatest to ever coach at Marquette.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 15, 2026, 10:45:02 AMHe should have been Marquette's choice the day they dumped Wojo but the woke mob lead by Willie wouldn't hire him and we now have a massive gap.
Slick Rick would have been the greatest to ever coach at Marquette.
Imagine the amount of stripper parties.
Ricky's on State would have been rocking. Nothing like a Milwaukee stripper, all 200lbs of her...
Quote from: PJDunn on April 15, 2026, 10:50:16 AMRicky's on State would have been rocking. Nothing like a Milwaukee stripper, all 200lbs of her...
Sir, we dont fat shame in 2026. Wisconsinites like their diary girls!
Quote from: MU82 on April 15, 2026, 09:15:48 AMFrom The Athletic:
What does it cost to build a winner in men's college basketball these days?
"I think if you're serious about being in the pursuit of championships," a high-major assistant told The Athletic last month, "you've gotta get to a $10 million roster."
And that, apparently, is on the low end.
This is more nonsensical b.s.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 15, 2026, 09:21:23 AMhttps://stormthepaint.com/joson-sanon-entering-transfer-portal-as-st-johns-basketball-roster-begins-to-take-shape
Sanon to the portal. Is the GAP shrinking?
that's not really a loss for SJU. He was a practice all-star. That probably means Ian Jackson is staying and he's a better player.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 15, 2026, 10:20:07 AMPeople are gonna be really normal this weekend when marquette gets its first transfer and it isn't a big
Feeling confident in Tylen Riley?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 15, 2026, 10:56:09 AMthat's not really a loss for SJU. He was a practice all-star. That probably means Ian Jackson is staying and he's a better player.
There was definitely room for both even with the Euro guard they just got. 8 of the top 10 rotation players gone for StJ now.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 15, 2026, 11:00:55 AMFeeling confident in Tylen Riley?
Would love any piece of official news at this point
Quote from: jfp61 on April 15, 2026, 10:20:07 AMPeople are gonna be really normal this weekend when marquette gets its first transfer and it isn't a big
If it's a good player I'll be happy but maybe I'm just don't care about winning.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 15, 2026, 10:55:18 AMThis is more nonsensical b.s.
Provide evidence to the contrary.
Quote from: tower912 on April 15, 2026, 11:24:55 AMProvide evidence to the contrary.
Revenue sharing cap is $21.3M for next year. Total NIL deals cleared from inception of new clearinghouse into last month was $166M, with the majority being for football. There's no way the numbers work unless that $166M life to date figure balloons to BILLIONS immediately. It's nonsense.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 15, 2026, 11:02:43 AMThere was definitely room for both even with the Euro guard they just got. 8 of the top 10 rotation players gone for StJ now.
Pitino lost four starters and six of his top eight from 2023-24 to 2024-25, and only managed to win 11 more games.
Four starters and six of his top seven from last year's 31-win team left, and they won 30 games, the Big East and made the Sweet 16 this season.
If I were a St. John's fan, I wouldn't be too worried about Pitino's ability to reset a roster.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 15, 2026, 11:31:39 AMRevenue sharing cap is $21.3M for next year. Total NIL deals cleared from inception of new clearinghouse into last month was $166M, with the majority being for football. There's no way the numbers work unless that $166M life to date figure balloons to BILLIONS immediately. It's nonsense.
Where were you when I asked you about this exact thing like 3 days ago nerd
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 15, 2026, 11:31:39 AMRevenue sharing cap is $21.3M for next year. Total NIL deals cleared from inception of new clearinghouse into last month was $166M, with the majority being for football. There's no way the numbers work unless that $166M life to date figure balloons to BILLIONS immediately. It's nonsense.
As nonsensical as saying players chose schools and not coaches or other perks.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 15, 2026, 11:33:13 AMPitino lost four starters and six of his top eight from 2023-24 to 2024-25, and only managed to win 11 more games.
Four starters and six of his top seven from last year's 31-win team left, and they won 30 games, the Big East and made the Sweet 16 this season.
If I were a St. John's fan, I wouldn't be too worried about Pitino's ability to reset a roster.
The two ideas are not mutually exclusive. You can respect his ability to add portal players and also acknowledge that there was still room for Sanon.
St. John's was pretty close to the Elite 8 and Rick regularly brings in awesome transfers, but his crazy rate of roster turnover isn't ideal. He signed a 3-year extension so maybe he'll adjust his approach to be more sustainable? I think you want a stretch where more than 2 starters come back each year.
It wouldn't be my concern, but STJ's tendency to suck in the non-con because of lack of continuity only to plow through a Big East schedule is bad for the conference. They have basically zero good non-con wins during his tenure.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 15, 2026, 11:31:39 AMRevenue sharing cap is $21.3M for next year. Total NIL deals cleared from inception of new clearinghouse into last month was $166M, with the majority being for football. There's no way the numbers work unless that $166M life to date figure balloons to BILLIONS immediately. It's nonsense.
https://frontofficesports.com/college-sports-commission-says-nil-go-system-under-strain/
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 15, 2026, 11:54:59 AMThe two ideas are not mutually exclusive. You can respect his ability to add portal players and also acknowledge that there was still room for Sanon.
I didn't say anything about Sanon. Just pointing out that Pitino has been through roster turnovers without much/any regression, so losing Sanon probably won't be a big deal.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 15, 2026, 11:31:39 AMRevenue sharing cap is $21.3M for next year. Total NIL deals cleared from inception of new clearinghouse into last month was $166M, with the majority being for football. There's no way the numbers work unless that $166M life to date figure balloons to BILLIONS immediately. It's nonsense.
You're probably going to find a way to not believe this, but plenty of "deals" over that NIL Go $600 number are not being submitted through the clearinghouse (hello Texas Tech football).
Assuming you are not a CFB guy, but listen to/follow Bud Elliot from the Cover 3 podcast. He has been talking about this for over a year.
Quote from: MuMark on April 15, 2026, 11:59:43 AMhttps://frontofficesports.com/college-sports-commission-says-nil-go-system-under-strain/
Non-issue. Absolutely immaterial amounts here.
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on April 15, 2026, 12:03:12 PMYou're probably going to find a way to not believe this, but plenty of "deals" over that NIL Go $600 number are not being submitted through the clearinghouse (hello Texas Tech football).
Assuming you are not a CFB guy, but listen to/follow Bud Elliot from the Cover 3 podcast. He has been talking about this for over a year.
Also getting ahead of this. Bud Elliott*
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on April 15, 2026, 12:03:12 PMYou're probably going to find a way to not believe this, but plenty of "deals" over that NIL Go $600 number are not being submitted through the clearinghouse (hello Texas Tech football).
Assuming you are not a CFB guy, but listen to/follow Bud Elliot from the Cover 3 podcast. He has been talking about this for over a year.
Over a year.. interesting. NIL Go hasn't existed for a year yet.
Got it - so your claim is billions of dollars are being paid outside of the rules. Got it. smh
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 15, 2026, 12:13:16 PMOver a year.. interesting. NIL Go hasn't existed for a year yet.
Got it - so your claim is billions of dollars are being paid outside of the rules. Got it. smh
He's correct
Quote from: MuMark on April 15, 2026, 11:59:43 AMhttps://frontofficesports.com/college-sports-commission-says-nil-go-system-under-strain/
Where was this article last week when Jay lambasted the link I shared, due to him finding it hilarious and inconceivable that not all NIL has been reported?
Quote from: MurphysTillClose on April 15, 2026, 12:03:12 PMYou're probably going to find a way to not believe this, but plenty of "deals" over that NIL Go $600 number are not being submitted through the clearinghouse (hello Texas Tech football).
Assuming you are not a CFB guy, but listen to/follow Bud Elliot from the Cover 3 podcast. He has been talking about this for over a year.
Also.. when you refer to Texas Tech.. are you referring to their collective shelling out tons of money PRE-house settlement? Many did that -- that's another reason why thinking there's going to be a massive INCREASE this next year is absolutely idiotic.
Go back and look at the time lines and understand when the current rules became rules, and the timing of the crazy payments last year.
Then, understand what it means going forward for this next year.
Quote from: Its DJOver on April 15, 2026, 11:54:59 AMThe two ideas are not mutually exclusive. You can respect his ability to add portal players and also acknowledge that there was still room for Sanon.
Not with the money he wanted and they have left.
I'm hesitant to post this after the last week but it appears that Stevie Mitchell is a new follower of Minessale on IG. FWIW
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 15, 2026, 11:31:39 AMRevenue sharing cap is $21.3M for next year. Total NIL deals cleared from inception of new clearinghouse into last month was $166M, with the majority being for football. There's no way the numbers work unless that $166M life to date figure balloons to BILLIONS immediately. It's nonsense.
I hate to continue this discussion in the portal thread, but since I take it you are Scoop's unofficial financial pundit and auditor, let me run something by you.
https://www.si.com/college/michigan/basketball/michigan-hoops-nil-spendings-revealed-as-similar-info-for-rival-nowhere-to-be-found
Linked inside this SI article is an On3 report on how much each Sweet 16 team from this past tourney made. The report is written by Pete Nakos, who is apparently recognized as one of the most accurate intel-providers in the NIL space. I don't have access to the report since it's paywalled, but some of what it details is discussed by the article.
Nakos' reports states the Wolverines spent at least $10 million on its 2025-26 team.
Joining Michigan out of the remaining Sweet 16 in the "$10 million" club are Arkansas, Duke, Houston, St. John's and Texas. Kentucky, who is now out of the tournament, is reported to have spent $22 million on its roster this season.
Three other Big Ten teams remaining in the Sweet 16 come in right behind the Wolverines in terms of spending, including Illinois, Iowa and Purdue, who were reported by Nakos to have spent in the $8-$10 million range on its rosters this season.
Alabama, Arizona, Tennessee and UConn are the other teams in the Sweet 16 reported to have spent in the $8-$10 million range.Is this nonsensical BS? Because unless you have evidence and alternative figures to suggest otherwise, I don't think anyone has reason to believe it is.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 15, 2026, 12:36:43 PMAlso.. when you refer to Texas Tech.. are you referring to their collective shelling out tons of money PRE-house settlement? Many did that -- that's another reason why thinking there's going to be a massive INCREASE this next year is absolutely idiotic.
Go back and look at the time lines and understand when the current rules became rules, and the timing of the crazy payments last year.
Then, understand what it means going forward for this next year.
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Man, you believe that!
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 15, 2026, 12:50:18 PMI hate to continue this discussion in the portal thread, but since I take it you are Scoop's unofficial financial pundit and auditor, let me run something by you.
https://www.si.com/college/michigan/basketball/michigan-hoops-nil-spendings-revealed-as-similar-info-for-rival-nowhere-to-be-found
Is this nonsensical BS? Because unless you have evidence and alternative figures to suggest otherwise, I don't think anyone has reason to believe it is.
Yes, it's nonsense. However, getting back to the point - there's not going to be some dramatic JUMP this year - you must understand the rules are different today than they were a year ago. We have good data to give us a feel for what's doable, and the amounts reported for last year are not — and certainly a 65% increase from last year is beyond stupid to expect. There isn't a path to get there.
Again - you've got "rev share" and you've got third-party NIL. Understand those two pieces and try to reconcile it either with last year's make believe numbers x1.65 and you should become enlightened.
Quote from: MU82 on April 15, 2026, 10:44:35 AMSane people will be perfectly normal.
So, no one on Scoop?
JDF to bama is likely
Quote from: jfp61 on April 15, 2026, 01:49:22 PMJDF to bama is likely
Who is JDF? Just give the name.
Side note:
SJU has now lost 10 from the roster including it's starting five:
Zuby
Mitchell
Hopkins
Sellers
Darling
Sanon
Odih
Ayo
Liotopoulos
Suljanovic
That leaves Jackson as sole starter/sixth man and a Euro portal guard named Quinn.
Kevin Odih was a Top 60 recruit and MU was a finalist for him last year.
Quote from: nyg on April 15, 2026, 02:47:11 PMWho is JDF? Just give the name.
Jamarion Davis-Fleming
Quote from: nyg on April 15, 2026, 02:47:11 PMWho is JDF? Just give the name.
Side note:
SJU has now lost 10 from the roster including it's starting five:
Zuby
Mitchell
Hopkins
Sellers
Darling
Sanon
Odih
Ayo
Liotopoulos
Suljanovic
That leaves Jackson as sole starter/sixth man and a Euro portal guard named Quinn.
Kevin Odih was a Top 60 recruit and MU was a finalist for him last year.
https://x.com/truthercbb/status/2044466159634862246?s=61
•Jamarion Davis-Fleming-Currently visiting Alabama, they are in a good spot on his recruitment. TBD on anymore visits
Quote from: Pakuni on April 15, 2026, 02:52:35 PMJamarion Davis-Fleming
OK, no idea as to what ties he has to MU.
At least Nigel James has ties to two of his former teammates, the Mingo brothers. One a Top 5 recruit, the other a transfer from Penn St. One can only wish, but probably not even close for MU.
Quote from: nyg on April 15, 2026, 03:06:17 PMOK, no idea as to what ties he has to MU.
At least Nigel James has ties to two of his former teammates, the Mingo brothers. One a Top 5 recruit, the other a transfer from Penn St. One can only wish, but probably not even close for MU.
Marquette was mentioned as having a zoom with him
No surprise:
https://x.com/i/status/2044500780150095879
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 15, 2026, 03:36:17 PMNo surprise:
https://x.com/i/status/2044500780150095879
Green weenie, aina?
https://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2044515588475617432
Always better when an insider says it
Quote from: zcg2013 on April 15, 2026, 03:46:11 PMhttps://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2044515588475617432
Always better when an insider says it
Agree. Good to see it out in the open more. On3 and Goodman now.
Quote from: zcg2013 on April 15, 2026, 03:46:11 PMhttps://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2044515588475617432
Always better when an insider says it
any idea if he's taken an OV?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 15, 2026, 03:52:15 PMany idea if he's taken an OV?
Shaka wanted to wait for better weather
Quote from: zcg2013 on April 15, 2026, 03:46:11 PMhttps://x.com/GoodmanHoops/status/2044515588475617432
Always better when an insider says it
Finally, some sort of concrete confirmation. Please just get this over the line so we can move on.
Boom.
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/2044519883531292933?s=20
Quote from: The Sultan on April 15, 2026, 03:57:23 PMBoom.
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/2044519883531292933?s=20
Fru-ck yeah.
HUGE
Quote from: The Sultan on April 15, 2026, 03:57:23 PMBoom.
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/2044519883531292933?s=20
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Excellent news.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 15, 2026, 03:57:23 PMBoom.
https://x.com/DraftExpress/status/2044519883531292933?s=20
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Number 7 PLAYER?!?! in the portal?
Works for me!
Will be telling who #2 is.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 15, 2026, 04:00:29 PMNumber 7 PLAYER?!?! in the portal?
Works for me!
ESPN says #32, but that's still a damn fine pickup: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48424179/mens-college-basketball-transfer-portal-player-rankings-commitments-2026
A Louisville friend said he was told Fu was asking for $3 million so we'll see how much is left for #2 and #3
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 15, 2026, 04:02:52 PMESPN says #32, but that's still a damn fine pickup: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48424179/mens-college-basketball-transfer-portal-player-rankings-commitments-2026
Another one had him at #4. I think The Athletic had him at #38.
Regardless, fills a massive hole and is a great fit for what we needed.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 15, 2026, 04:02:52 PMESPN says #32, but that's still a damn fine pickup: https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/48424179/mens-college-basketball-transfer-portal-player-rankings-commitments-2026
A Louisville friend said he was told Fu was asking for $3 million so we'll see how much is left for #2 and #3
Yeah Im taking Evan Miya over ESPN's trash cbb coverage, but 32 is pretty darn good regardless!
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 15, 2026, 04:02:05 PMWill be telling who #2 is.
Who...does...#...2...work...for...
A pair of guards, please.
Nolan Minessale, your table is ready.
And to think I was told before on here that we couldn't afford to bring in any transfers from a high-major.
Great add. Love to see it.
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https://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/2044525211085607087?s=61
Nolan, Tylen and let's roll!
#BigEastMoneyAdvantage
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 15, 2026, 04:12:01 PMAnd to think I was told before on here that we couldn't afford to bring in any transfers from a high-major.
Great add. Love to see it.
Not by me. #Knowledge #KnowTheLedge #BigEastBucks
Quote from: MuMark on April 15, 2026, 04:20:48 PMhttps://x.com/goodmanhoops/status/2044525211085607087?s=61
Including St. John's in this list feels gross. They are adding 2 guys from milan, and they'll end up with a transfer.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 15, 2026, 04:00:29 PMNumber 7 PLAYER?!?! in the portal?
Works for me!
#4 according to Evan Miya.
Scoop told me hard "no" on Fru.
Also heard we're a poverty program.
Can I get an updated list on Big East programs who haven't signed anyone in the portal already?
We just paid for a guy that started at Louisville. I don't think he was playing for free at Louisville.
Hopefully one more departure and we can get three of Minessale, Kyle Evans, Amari Evans, and Tylen Riley. Kelvin Odih as a backup.
Fru was #4 by Evan Miya, #7 by Draft Express, ~#30 by 247, ESPN, Field of 68.
It's a gigantic addition per anyone in the sport.
The addition of Fru is obviously awesome, but what's also awesome is that a poster who typically has good sources messaged me extremely early and said Fru was the top target for the staff. They identified a fit and were able to land him.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 15, 2026, 04:40:02 PMScoop told me hard "no" on Fru.
Also heard we're a poverty program.
We just paid for a guy that started at Louisville. I don't think he was playing for free at Louisville.
Yeah, the Eeyores were out in full force, none more forceful than this guy:
Quote from: jfp61 on April 10, 2026, 01:22:49 PMFru: No
Fun stuff.
https://x.com/adamzagoria/status/2044557000894263605?s=61
Quote from: onepost on April 15, 2026, 04:57:32 PMFru was #4 by Evan Miya, #7 by Draft Express, ~#30 by 247, ESPN, Field of 68.
It's a gigantic addition per anyone in the sport.
One - thanks for the tidbits these weeks in the mess of whining
Louisville transfer PF Sananda Fru commits to Marquette - Yahoo Sports (https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/louisville-transfer-pf-sananda-fru-210823009.html)
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This is great news. Hopefully this will narrow the gap. Need to get a couplr more good ones. Dont know much about the guy, but he should make the roster stronger. Congrats to Shaka. reel in a couple more.
Again, we got our number one identified target.
Who do we think is #2 on our list?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 15, 2026, 07:36:14 PMAgain, we got our number one identified target.
Who do we think is #2 on our list?
I still think Minnesale makes a ton of sense. I also think he's 100% MU if Shaka wants him.
Quote from: rccola42 on April 15, 2026, 07:37:46 PMI still think Minnesale makes a ton of sense. I also think he's 100% MU if Shaka wants him.
If we get him, who is the last scholarship MUHS guy to play at MU? John Mueller came as a walk-on, but I think he ended up earning a scholarship.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 15, 2026, 07:50:38 PMIf we get him, who is the last scholarship MUHS guy to play at MU? John Mueller came as a walk-on, but I think he ended up earning a scholarship.
Damon Key?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 15, 2026, 06:41:34 PMOne - thanks for the tidbits these weeks in the mess of whining
My man
Quote from: jfp61 on April 15, 2026, 04:39:14 PMFru, Minessale, Riley.
If Shaka pulls off this transfer class, we're so back
Quote from: JTJ3 on April 16, 2026, 01:05:57 AMIf Shaka pulls off this transfer class, we're so back
...back, as in, we'll beat RED? Keep in mind, Gard always gets his man.
Quote from: Viper on April 16, 2026, 07:33:07 AM...back, as in, we'll beat RED? Keep in mind, Gard always gets his man.
Better keep you out of Jordan's Big 10 pub at closing time, then.
Quote from: Viper on April 16, 2026, 07:33:07 AM...back, as in, we'll beat RED? Keep in mind, Gard always gets his man.
I think you're a little mixed up.
A quick reference guide:
Gard = always gets it done
Wojo = always gets his man
Maybe Chase Ross is our 3 for next year...
Don't want to repeat myself, but I really don't think Riley is a good fit and it sounds like Paint Touches (somewhat) agrees: https://x.com/PaintTouches/status/2044773279550906515?s=20
https://x.com/PaintTouches/status/2044775938655744350?s=20
I'd love Minessale in addition to an experienced guard that can handle the ball and create. Feels good to be know we have the center position locked up and the staff can focus on identifying the best fit.
It's been, what, 20 hours since we signed Fru? Where are the other transfers? Smart-Dukiet failing again!
Quote from: MU82 on April 16, 2026, 10:50:20 AMIt's been, what, 20 hours since we signed Fru? Where are the other transfers? Smart-Dukiet failing again!
Poverty program.
Quote from: MU82 on April 16, 2026, 10:50:20 AMIt's been, what, 20 hours since we signed Fru? Where are the other transfers? Smart-Dukiet failing again!
Relax. Shaka is just yanking our chains.
Hmmm I want Riley but don't think a ball-knowing adviser would tell him to join MU.
If we can get Nigel below 30mpg and even supplement his minutes by playing off the ball a bit, it could really help him later next season. Marquette is hoping to be playing its best basketball in March, so having a guy who can carry some of the load would pay dividends. The problem is, this dude doesn't want to only play 15 minutes a night.
There are a ton of mouths to feed on this roster because Adrien, Damarius, MPIII, Alex Egbuonu, and Nash Walker are all expecting minutes in the back court or at the wing.
Illinois' Ty Rodgers entered the portal. We offered him before.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 16, 2026, 11:29:32 AMIllinois' Ty Rodgers entered the portal. We offered him before.
Hasn't played in over 2 years and can't shoot. Doubt we'd have interest at this time given the urgency to be good. Maybe if last season wasn't 12-20.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 16, 2026, 11:44:39 AMHasn't played in over 2 years and can't shoot. Doubt we'd have interest at this time given the urgency to be good. Maybe if last season wasn't 12-20.
Furthermore, he was offered by Wojo.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 16, 2026, 11:51:19 AMFurthermore, he was offered by Wojo.
Shaka does wonders with Wojo guys!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 16, 2026, 11:44:39 AMHasn't played in over 2 years and can't shoot. Doubt we'd have interest at this time given the urgency to be good. Maybe if last season wasn't 12-20.
Wait ... we were 12-20 last season? Hadn't heard that before.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 16, 2026, 10:03:53 AMDon't want to repeat myself, but I really don't think Riley is a good fit and it sounds like Paint Touches (somewhat) agrees: https://x.com/PaintTouches/status/2044773279550906515?s=20
https://x.com/PaintTouches/status/2044775938655744350?s=20
I'd love Minessale in addition to an experienced guard that can handle the ball and create. Feels good to be know we have the center position locked up and the staff can focus on identifying the best fit.
If he is such a liability on defense why the interest, especially from Shaka who is defense oriented?
Quote from: MU82 on April 16, 2026, 11:53:54 AMWait ... we were 12-20 last season? Hadn't heard that before.
Where have you been?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 16, 2026, 11:58:07 AMIf he is such a liability on defense why the interest, especially from Shaka who is defense oriented?
Damarius, Royce, and Nash Walker?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 16, 2026, 11:58:07 AMIf he is such a liability on defense why the interest, especially from Shaka who is defense oriented?
Shaka has decided he likes losing. That's why he has refused to use the transfer portal again.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 16, 2026, 12:14:49 PMDamarius, Royce, and Nash Walker?
I'm confused, haven't seen Nash...
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 16, 2026, 12:45:02 PMI'm confused, haven't seen Nash...
Haven't seen him where? He injured his shoulder and will be out until the Fall.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 16, 2026, 01:10:52 PMHaven't seen him where? He injured his shoulder and will be out until the Fall.
On the court. JFP was declaring him a bad defender without ever seeing him play.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 16, 2026, 01:10:52 PMHaven't seen him where? He injured his shoulder and will be out until the Fall.
Well I figured play was fairly obvious on a basketball forum. If someone posts on a game thread that we havent seen X player nobody's saying "yeah we have he's on the bench!"
To the shoulder portion:
I get he's injured but either way we haven't seen him (play, given that was apparently not obvious) so we don't know whether he's a great stopped or a swinging door so it just seems odd to include him on a list right now
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 16, 2026, 01:26:43 PMWell I figured play was fairly obvious on a basketball forum. If someone posts on a game thread that we havent seen X player nobody's saying "yeah we have he's on the bench!"
To the shoulder portion:
I get he's injured but either way we haven't seen him (play, given that was apparently not obvious) so we don't know whether he's a great stopped or a swinging door so it just seems odd to include him on a list right now
Gotcha. And I agree.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 16, 2026, 01:10:52 PMHaven't seen him where? He injured his shoulder and will be out until the Fall.
Define Fall?
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 16, 2026, 01:41:23 PMDefine Fall?
https://www.dictionary.com/browse/fall
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 16, 2026, 02:00:32 PMhttps://www.dictionary.com/browse/fall
I assumed it was definition 26
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 16, 2026, 08:10:38 AMI think you're a little mixed up.
A quick reference guide:
Gard = always gets it done
Wojo = always gets his man
...that would be correct. But, I have some doubt about Gard next season. I shouldn't, he gets er done, but I do.
Quote from: MU82 on April 16, 2026, 12:23:02 PMShaka has decided he likes losing. That's why he has refused to use the transfer portal again.
The question was not meant to be snarky. PT thinks he is not a good fit but the staff including Shaka must see something that makes up for his poor defensive metrics to bring him in for a visit.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 16, 2026, 03:06:23 PMThe question was not meant to be snarky. PT thinks he is not a good fit but the staff including Shaka must see something that makes up for his poor defensive metrics to bring him in for a visit.
He is not a bad player, just not a great fit IMO. He hits 3s at a good clip and seems to find way to the bucket easily. But he is a score-first senior PG, who you have to imagine is looking for major minutes. Could be a great player on another team who's best player doesn't currently fill that exact role for 30 mins a game.
Could be looking at another Instagram following spree here...
Minessale and Stevie followed each other earlier this week. Appears Braeden Brenn and Jack Anderson followed suit yesterday.
Whereas Fru's follows started with our best players, really thoughtful of Nolan to start with alums and walk-ons.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 16, 2026, 03:06:23 PMThe question was not meant to be snarky. PT thinks he is not a good fit but the staff including Shaka must see something that makes up for his poor defensive metrics to bring him in for a visit.
Yes. We must also trust that anyone MU shows interest in (or gives a scholarship to) is a stud. It has been written.
FYI, Trilly Donovan (THE cbb insider) said 4 hrs ago Marquette is the favorite to land Minnesale and implied it's close to being done if not already.
Quote from: WeAreMarquette96 on April 16, 2026, 11:51:10 PMFYI, Trilly Donovan (THE cbb insider) said 4 hrs ago Marquette is the favorite to land Minnesale and implied it's close to being done if not already.
(https://media1.tenor.com/m/igRLRCPgjvEAAAAC/its-happening-michael-scott.gif)
Have a good friend who works with Nolan's dad. He said Nolan was meeting with Shaka and Shaka was making a hard push for him. He just texted me that his dad told him there will likely be a decision by the end of the week (I guess that could technically be tomorrow still).
Trilly gif for Minessale just dropped on the discord.
That's weird, the top targets we've been connected with all seem to be committing? That can't be right.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 17, 2026, 10:44:52 AMThat's weird, the top targets we've been connected with all seem to be committing? That can't be right.
We are poor, remember?
Still surprises me no high D1 school offered Minnesale out of high school.
I watched both Knueppel and Minnesale in person during the 2024 State playoffs, on their way to winning D1 and D2 titles. Minnesale had the better semifinal and final performance of the two.
If Minnesale does commit, I will be very pleased with our use of the portal, whether or not we sign a 3rd transfer.
Evan Flood had thrown in the towel
https://www.on3.com/rivals/expert-predictions/basketball/all/
Quote from: MuMark on April 17, 2026, 11:23:29 AMEvan Flood had thrown in the towel
https://www.on3.com/rivals/expert-predictions/basketball/all/
#Donedeal
I'm not seeing any commitment from Riley yet... and as he's visiting other schools before his MU visit tomorrow, I'm going to hold out that the possibility of Minessale and Riley both coming to MU is a real possibility.
Quote from: MuMark on April 17, 2026, 11:23:29 AMEvan Flood had thrown in the towel
https://www.on3.com/rivals/expert-predictions/basketball/all/
Wasn't a take
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 17, 2026, 10:44:52 AMThat's weird, the top targets we've been connected with all seem to be committing? That can't be nm
Quote from: noblewarrior on April 17, 2026, 11:54:09 AMI'm not seeing any commitment from Riley yet... and as he's visiting other schools before his MU visit tomorrow, I'm going to hold out that the possibility of Minessale and Riley both coming to MU is a real possibility.
Sounds like he's still scheduled to make his Marquette OV
Quote from: MUbiz on April 17, 2026, 10:37:11 AMTrilly gif for Minessale just dropped on the discord.
Unusual to get a player from another Big East school, but I'll take it.
Alright since the other question yielded an immediate commitment, I'll try it again.
Thomas Haugh sounds like he's going back to Florida, ISU can't afford Milan...would you guys take Riley if it was a complete sure thing or wait for whatever chance to convince Milan to come to Marquette? Don't even know what % it'd be but he's more available now than he was a month ago.
Quote from: onepost on April 17, 2026, 01:11:32 PMAlright since the other question yielded an immediate commitment, I'll try it again.
Thomas Haugh sounds like he's going back to Florida, ISU can't afford Milan...would you guys take Riley if it was a complete sure thing or wait for whatever chance to convince Milan to come to Marquette? Don't even know what % it'd be but he's more available now than he was a month ago.
Milan
Quote from: onepost on April 17, 2026, 01:11:32 PMAlright since the other question yielded an immediate commitment, I'll try it again.
Thomas Haugh sounds like he's going back to Florida, ISU can't afford Milan...would you guys take Riley if it was a complete sure thing or wait for whatever chance to convince Milan to come to Marquette? Don't even know what % it'd be but he's more available now than he was a month ago.
If he gets a draft guarantee and I don't think it's far-fetched, he won't be available but 100% wait if it's a realistic option.
I wonder if he pulls a Yaxel and commits somewhere anyway and still goes through the process, however.
Either way, if that's a route they chose, I'd be fine waiting. Put him on this team, and you have a Big East title contender.
Awesome Scoop by Wades World earlier. Thank You.
Do not have much. Spoke with Nolan's Dad for awhile last Sunday at Mass. Spoke with Nolan's Uncle briefly this Sunday at Mass. But we did not talk much about Nolan. Hope Nolan commits to Marquette.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2026, 01:17:54 PMIf he gets a draft guarantee and I don't think it's far-fetched, he won't be available but 100% wait if it's a realistic option.
I wonder if he pulls a Yaxel and commits somewhere anyway and still goes through the process, however.
Either way, if that's a route they chose, I'd be fine waiting. Put him on this team, and you have a Big East title contender.
I get I have blue and gold tinted glasses but with Minessale and Riley I think we for sure are
Quote from: onepost on April 17, 2026, 01:11:32 PMAlright since the other question yielded an immediate commitment, I'll try it again.
Thomas Haugh sounds like he's going back to Florida, ISU can't afford Milan...would you guys take Riley if it was a complete sure thing or wait for whatever chance to convince Milan to come to Marquette? Don't even know what % it'd be but he's more available now than he was a month ago.
Don't tease me with a MM possibility.
What is Riley and Milan's respective price tags? If we can afford Milan, we're leaving money on the table by only taking Riley. Like a potential impact starter level difference in money. If MU can afford both, then it's simple. Make more room.
Quote from: onepost on April 17, 2026, 01:11:32 PMAlright since the other question yielded an immediate commitment, I'll try it again.
Thomas Haugh sounds like he's going back to Florida, ISU can't afford Milan...would you guys take Riley if it was a complete sure thing or wait for whatever chance to convince Milan to come to Marquette? Don't even know what % it'd be but he's more available now than he was a month ago.
Milan is not coming. I know his family and they and Milan are anti Marquette. Massively anti MU.
Quote from: MUbiz on April 17, 2026, 01:30:31 PMMilan is not coming. I know his family and they and Milan are anti Marquette. Massively anti MU.
Haha it was for sure a pie in the sky hypothetical I had zero thought would pan out, just passing the time.
But wow, "massively anti MU"?? Why?
Quote from: onepost on April 17, 2026, 01:32:40 PMHaha it was for sure a pie in the sky hypothetical I had zero thought would pan out, just passing the time.
But wow, "massively anti MU"?? Why?
Something went down when shaka and staff were recruiting Milan. I do not know details but I know Milan became very anti Marquette towards the end of the process.
Milan would be out of MU's price range. If MU had that kind of money, Bidunga, Sherrell, and Blackwell should have all been targets, too.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 17, 2026, 01:55:17 PMMilan would be out of MU's price range. If MU had that kind of money, Bidunga, Sherrell, and Blackwell should have all been targets, too.
Plus, the last thing we need is another white guy to comp to other white guys
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2026, 01:56:23 PMPlus, the last thing we need is another white guy to comp to other white guys
Steve Novak. Duh.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2026, 01:56:23 PMPlus, the last thing we need is another white guy to comp to other white guys
Milan is just like Ben Gold, but with a more Slavic name.
Quote from: onepost on April 17, 2026, 01:11:32 PMAlright since the other question yielded an immediate commitment, I'll try it again.
Thomas Haugh sounds like he's going back to Florida, ISU can't afford Milan...would you guys take Riley if it was a complete sure thing or wait for whatever chance to convince Milan to come to Marquette? Don't even know what % it'd be but he's more available now than he was a month ago.
I'd take NM and Riley, then show someone the door to have a spot open for Mommy or someone else, should they become available.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 17, 2026, 01:55:17 PMMilan would be out of MU's price range. If MU had that kind of money, Bidunga, Sherrell, and Blackwell should have all been targets, too.
Oh? What will Blackwell get and how?
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 17, 2026, 02:00:36 PMOh? What will Blackwell get and how?
Quite a bit. Well above the "legal" price dopes believe teams can't exceed
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2026, 01:56:23 PMPlus, the last thing we need is another white guy to comp to other white guys
You know Dodds wants to call him MomcilNovak, Fitzilovic, or Goldilovic
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2026, 02:01:49 PMQuite a bit. Well above the "legal" price dopes believe teams can't exceed
Not familiar with the monetary amount of "quite a bit". Is that similar to "I don't know"?
Quote from: MUbiz on April 17, 2026, 01:38:13 PMSomething went down when shaka and staff were recruiting Milan. I do not know details but I know Milan became very anti Marquette towards the end of the process.
But as my Dad used to say: "People keep letting money interfere with their decision-making."
Quote from: The Sultan on April 17, 2026, 01:59:31 PMMilan is just like Ben Gold, but with a more Slavic name.
Except he shoots 30 percentage points better than Gold from 3.
Milan instantly would make us a Top 10 team.....
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 17, 2026, 02:03:44 PMNot familiar with the monetary amount of "quite a bit". Is that similar to "I don't know"?
A few pennies more than you think
Quote from: MUbiz on April 17, 2026, 01:38:13 PMSomething went down when shaka and staff were recruiting Milan. I do not know details but I know Milan became very anti Marquette towards the end of the process.
I don't recall that MU ever offered or made much effort to recruit him.
Quote from: burger on April 17, 2026, 02:10:52 PMExcept he shoots 30 percentage points better than Gold from 3.
Milan instantly would make us a Top 10 team.....
<sigh>
The drum beats grow louder.
https://x.com/i/status/2045198958989844888
He's also going through the NBA draft process and have such a small chance of signing Momcilovic that it might not be something MU is even considering.
Zens commits to Illinois.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 17, 2026, 03:15:31 PMZens commits to Illinois.
I'm sure Buckyville is saying they didn't want Zens or Minessale.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 17, 2026, 03:18:14 PMI'm sure Buckyville is saying they didn't want Zens or Minessale.
Zens wanted no part of the Weasel program.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 17, 2026, 03:18:14 PMI'm sure Buckyville is saying they didn't want Zens or Minessale.
ETR wasn't sure UW would take Minnessale. For real, on Buckyville.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 17, 2026, 03:24:17 PMETR wasn't sure UW would take Minnessale. For real, on Buckyville.
Bo didn't think Sam Hauser was good enough either..........in that case Sam really wanted to go there......big mistake .........in this case ETR conveniently takes that line once it becomes clear Minessale is going to MU.......
Eric the Red makes some of the posters here look like Walter Cronkite in comparison
Quote from: onepost on April 17, 2026, 03:53:17 PMEric the Red makes some of the posters here look like Walter Cronkite in comparison
In ETR's defense, he does like his team.
I had been given some information that Vander Blue was going to decommit from there prior to it happening, so I signed up to watch the place blow up. I got banned simply for sharing the information, even though he decommitted a few weeks later lol. ETR is as good as they come.
Obviously, I'd take Momcilivic to MU, but it can't happen because he's still missing. Iowa State had to put his picture on a milk carton after their NCAAT loss to Texas Tech.
Quote from: MuMark on April 17, 2026, 03:35:58 PMBo didn't think Sam Hauser was good enough either..........in that case Sam really wanted to go there......big mistake .........in this case ETR conveniently takes that line once it becomes clear Minessale is going to MU.......
I went to take a look and Zens wasn't worth it because he'd be a benchwarmer and will be at Illinois. If there's one thing I've learned, Brad Underwood has a poor eye for talent, so they're probably right.
I knew the old man and he was never a fan of UW-Madison and looks like he made some comments about the kid not getting much love from Gard and the staff, so he'll have a target on his back when they travel to the Trohl.
Quote from: MuMark on April 17, 2026, 03:35:58 PMBo didn't think Sam Hauser was good enough either..........in that case Sam really wanted to go there......big mistake .........in this case ETR conveniently takes that line once it becomes clear Minessale is going to MU.......
not only was Sam good enough.
He was the best player the year before he left
Quote from: jfp61 on April 17, 2026, 04:57:06 PMnot only was Sam good enough.
He was the best player the year before he left
Oh boy. This will surely go well.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 17, 2026, 02:48:17 PMThe drum beats grow louder.
https://x.com/i/status/2045198958989844888
How neat is that!? That's pretty neat!
Quote from: fjm on April 17, 2026, 05:03:49 PMOh boy. This will surely go well.
That's bait!
Quote from: jfp61 on April 17, 2026, 04:57:06 PMnot only was Sam good enough.
He was the best player the year before he left
Thanks for the laugh to end the work week.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 17, 2026, 05:04:20 PMThat's bait!
And if there is one thing you are
supremely knowledgeable of, it's
bait.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 17, 2026, 04:57:06 PMnot only was Sam good enough.
He was the best player the year before he left
"Fru: No"
Quote from: MUDPT on April 17, 2026, 03:24:17 PMETR wasn't sure UW would take Minnessale. For real, on Buckyville.
Absolutely laughable. They have at least 5 open scholarships for next year by the way.
More smoke.
https://x.com/i/status/2044954806024835088
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 17, 2026, 05:54:44 PMMore smoke.
https://x.com/i/status/2044954806024835088
Just need the white smoke from the Al.
Family is trolling us now......lol
https://x.com/minessalej/status/2045261598319612357?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on April 17, 2026, 06:39:38 PMFamily is trolling us now......lol
https://x.com/minessalej/status/2045261598319612357?s=61
That's pretty funny.
Quote from: MuMark on April 17, 2026, 06:39:38 PMFamily is trolling us now......lol
https://x.com/minessalej/status/2045261598319612357?s=61
Congratulations Awesome Mia!!
https://x.com/cbbinsiderduke/status/2045195694999281834?s=46
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 17, 2026, 08:15:19 PMhttps://x.com/cbbinsiderduke/status/2045195694999281834?s=46
Let's go! Outstanding week for Shaka. Now let's make it a great weekend!
Although I'm not sure that's a legit source.
Quote from: MuMark on April 17, 2026, 06:39:38 PMFamily is trolling us now......lol
https://x.com/minessalej/status/2045261598319612357?s=61
That's gold.
Let's go!! So who's next now?
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on April 17, 2026, 09:36:16 PMLet's go!! So who's next now?
(That's Nolan's sister (cousin?), not for him. Still waiting to iron things out with his agent.)
Quote from: onepost on April 17, 2026, 09:41:30 PM(That's Nolan's sister (cousin?), not for him. Still waiting to iron things out with his agent.)
Mia is Nolan's Cousin.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 17, 2026, 06:31:08 PMJust need the white smoke from the Al.
Except the rainstorm collapsed a wall at the Al.
Wait so we needed an aircraft carrier and instead got a Uboat from Louisville? Smh
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 18, 2026, 08:15:33 AMWait so we needed an aircraft carrier and instead got a Uboat from Louisville? Smh
This simply a reference to Fru being from Germany or am I missing something here?
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 18, 2026, 08:21:19 AMThis simply a reference to Fru being from Germany or am I missing something here?
Yes. He also swims underwater for months at a time.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 18, 2026, 08:21:19 AMThis simply a reference to Fru being from Germany or am I missing something here?
😶
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 17, 2026, 08:15:19 PMhttps://x.com/cbbinsiderduke/status/2045195694999281834?s=46
Nigel, Royce and an exciting white. Win time is back!
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 18, 2026, 08:21:19 AMThis simply a reference to Fru being from Germany or am I missing something here?
Hopefully he's not a Schnitzel boy in the post, but a schnitzel MAN
I would assume we are done with the portal now?
Quote from: avid1010 on April 18, 2026, 11:07:16 AMI would assume we are done with the portal now?
The Minessale commit isn't official, but if/when it is, I'd hope there's one more after that.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 18, 2026, 11:07:16 AMI would assume we are done with the portal now?
I'd be surprised and disappointed if we didn't fill the last scholarship.
Quote from: avid1010 on April 18, 2026, 11:07:16 AMI would assume we are done with the portal now?
Minessale hasn't committed yet. Tylen Riley is currently on a visit. I'm hoping we add both.
Still possible for someone to announce they're leaving, and then maybe we get in on another portal player. But chances are if we land both, we would have our roster set.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 18, 2026, 11:17:53 AMI'd be surprised and disappointed if we didn't fill the last scholarship.
I don't mind holding one spot open. There could be movement in the summer, with the Portal opening up due to a coaching change, or an experienced Euro, Aussie, or other international player could become available.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 18, 2026, 11:18:39 AMMinessale hasn't committed yet. Tylen Riley is currently on a visit. I'm hoping we add both.
Still possible for someone to announce they're leaving, and then maybe we get in on another portal player. But chances are if we land both, we would have our roster set.
Correct on Minessale. If he has finalized it, it certainly wasn't done when Patrick Duke tweeted that it was.
Cincy insiders saying Riley cancelled his visit to Marquette.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 18, 2026, 11:38:23 AMCorrect on Minessale. If he has finalized it, it certainly wasn't done when Patrick Duke tweeted that it was.
Cincy insiders saying Riley cancelled his visit to Marquette.
Bummer. Didn't realize that.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 18, 2026, 11:38:23 AMCorrect on Minessale. If he has finalized it, it certainly wasn't done when Patrick Duke tweeted that it was.
Cincy insiders saying Riley cancelled his visit to Marquette.
https://x.com/i/status/2045525802742153303
https://x.com/bprzybylo/status/2045544617618137321?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on April 18, 2026, 12:02:40 PMhttps://x.com/bprzybylo/status/2045544617618137321?s=61
This is a blessing in disguise. We should be aiming for more impactful players than Riley
So we cooled on him?
Maybe it was as either/or with Minessale and Riley.
So if Riley is off the board are there any other realistic options we've been connected with?
Quote from: The Thing on April 18, 2026, 12:29:51 PMSo we cooled on him?
Was never very impressive. Him not coming here doesn't change my opinion.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 18, 2026, 12:32:10 PMMaybe it was as either/or with Minessale and Riley.
So if Riley is off the board are there any other realistic options we've been connected with?
Yep.
Don't think we will need them. If Riley isn't on his visit, i think it's because we're confident that we can land the Minessale plane
Finalizing Minessale is clearly most important, but I'd love another established lead guard like Riley off the bench.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 18, 2026, 09:52:20 AMHopefully he's not a Schnitzel boy in the post, but a schnitzel MAN
YES
Quote from: onepost on April 18, 2026, 12:40:23 PMFinalizing Minessale is clearly most important, but I'd love another established lead guard like Riley off the bench.
Three guards is 50% more than two, but not enough with which to go through a season.
Quote from: onepost on April 18, 2026, 12:40:23 PMFinalizing Minessale is clearly most important, but I'd love another established lead guard like Riley off the bench.
Any idea who else they might be targeting?
Heard From My Son and Nolan's Teammate who drove up to Saint Thomas with Nolan and was Nolan's roommate that it is official. Nolan committed to Marquette. Wait was just told it is not official yet but will be.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 18, 2026, 01:12:07 PMHeard From My Son and Nolan's Teammate who drove up to Saint Thomas with Nolan and was Nolan's roommate that it is official. Nolan committed to Marquette. Wait was just told it is not official yet but will be.
How many people are being mentioned in this paragraph? Nolan, your son, his teammate, his roommate... Is that two, three or four different people?
Quote from: MUEng92 on April 18, 2026, 01:43:26 PMHow many people are being mentioned in this paragraph? Nolan, your son, his teammate, his roommate... Is that two, three or four different people?
In a crazy twist, it is only 1, Mike1977 is simultaneously his own son, the teammate, Nolan, and Nolan's roommate. It's all part of a bizarre and rare quantum paradox that sometimes happens in scoop threads.
Are there any other guards MU is linked with? Adrien, Nash, Damarius, and Michael Phillips can play at the 2-3 but I think we'll need another guy at PG.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 18, 2026, 01:56:36 PMAre there any other guards MU is linked with? Adrien, Nash, Damarius, and Michael Phillips can play at the 2-3 but I think we'll need another guy at PG.
It's been mentioned a few times that the staff views Nash as a point guard
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 18, 2026, 01:56:36 PMAre there any other guards MU is linked with? Adrien, Nash, Damarius, and Michael Phillips can play at the 2-3 but I think we'll need another guy at PG.
Minessale can play some point. But yes, I think we need one more on ball creator.
tower disagrees
Quote from: swoopem on April 18, 2026, 02:00:56 PMIt's been mentioned a few times that the staff views Nash as a point guard
Anyone know if there is interest in Odih (and if Odih has interest in Marquette?
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 18, 2026, 01:12:07 PMHeard From My Son and Nolan's Teammate who drove up to Saint Thomas with Nolan and was Nolan's roommate that it is official. Nolan committed to Marquette. Wait was just told it is not official yet but will be.
At the 31 Flavors again? ;D
But good to hear. Any whispering?
Quote from: MU82 on April 18, 2026, 02:13:36 PMAnyone know if there is interest in Odih (and if Odih has interest in Marquette?
Stj board seemed to think he was coming here prior to his portaling.
Id love to get him as a "project." His ceiling is exciting.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 18, 2026, 01:12:07 PMHeard From My Son and Nolan's Teammate who drove up to Saint Thomas with Nolan and was Nolan's roommate that it is official. Nolan committed to Marquette. Wait was just told it is not official yet but will be.
So, while you were typing the confirmation that Minessale committed to Marquette, one of the many people in your post leaned over and told you, "Wait ... "?
Quote from: MU82 on April 18, 2026, 02:16:00 PMSo, while you were typing the confirmation that Minessale committed to Marquette, one of the many people in your post leaned over and told you, "Wait ... "?
voice to text is a hellofa drug
Quote from: MU82 on April 18, 2026, 02:16:00 PMSo, while you were typing the confirmation that Minessale committed to Marquette, one of the many people in your post leaned over and told you, "Wait ... "?
Yes just one person. Have to be discreet but It was just my Son and his high school varsity teammate who was Nolan's college teammate and roommate.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 18, 2026, 02:31:07 PMHave to be discreet but It was just my Son and his high school varsity teammate who was Nolan's college teammate and roommate.
Fifth graders can hack international banks and governments, and you question whether or not college kids know what's really going on with Nolan? Hah!
Quote from: forgetful on April 18, 2026, 01:55:00 PMIn a crazy twist, it is only 1, Mike1977 is simultaneously his own son, the teammate, Nolan, and Nolan's roommate. It's all part of a bizarre and rare quantum paradox that sometimes happens in scoop threads.
this feels like some kind of mathematical chicanery. I was told there would never be math on Scoop.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 18, 2026, 01:12:07 PMHeard From My Son and Nolan's Teammate who drove up to Saint Thomas with Nolan and was Nolan's roommate that it is official. Nolan committed to Marquette. Wait was just told it is not official yet but will be.
This couldn't be more confusing lmao
It has been mentioned by his teammates that, prior to being injured, Nash sees the floor and passes well.
This does not mean that a 6'6 freshman who was projected to be a wing sharpshooter, with no experience of being a point guard anywhere, should be projected to be the back up point guard.
Frankly, it is more logical to project Caedin starting again.
Quote from: panda on April 18, 2026, 12:24:47 PMThis is a blessing in disguise. We should be aiming for more impactful players than Riley
This won't age well. I suspect Riley will be a big contributor wherever he lands. And he could have shared the floor with Nigel just fine.
Quote from: Viper on April 18, 2026, 02:34:48 PMthis feels like some kind of mathematical chicanery. I was told there would never be math on Scoop.
Yes this info came from Nolan.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 18, 2026, 02:46:02 PMYes this info came from Nolan.
Definitely appreciate the info ... but how is that being "discreet"?
Quote from: tower912 on April 18, 2026, 02:41:32 PMIt has been mentioned by his teammates that, prior to being injured, Nash sees the floor and passes well.
This does not mean that a 6'6 freshman who was projected to be a wing sharpshooter, with no experience of being a point guard anywhere, should be projected to be the back up point guard.
Frankly, it is more logical to project Caedin starting again.
Thanks Tower. I'm going to have nightmares for at least a week now. And it will be
all your fault.
Agree. I'm really trying to focus on our team going forward, but projecting skills for a player at a particular position has proven to be a bad idea. Even if Nigel stays healthy, he's gotten into early foul trouble in some games.
Glad I projected that into your brain.
Have to be discreet. Like many here. Hear things from Cops and lawyers and judges that does not make this site believe it or not. Most of that is since we have the players backs. Call us shallow but all we care about is winning.
Fouls, fatigue, fractured feet/fingers/fibula. Find flippin' fast facilitators.
Quote from: tower912 on April 18, 2026, 02:52:52 PMGlad I projected that into your brain.
Says the "nice Catholic boy". ;D
Quote from: swoopem on April 18, 2026, 02:00:56 PMIt's been mentioned a few times that the staff views Nash as a point guard
Remember the past mantras
Guards are a dime a dozen
You can never have too many Guards
It is a Guards game
Gard always gets it done
Quote from: tower912 on April 18, 2026, 02:41:32 PMIt has been mentioned by his teammates that, prior to being injured, Nash sees the floor and passes well.
This does not mean that a 6'6 freshman who was projected to be a wing sharpshooter, with no experience of being a point guard anywhere, should be projected to be the back up point guard.
Frankly, it is more logical to project Caedin starting again.
And even more logical to project Caedin as a Guard
Davion Hannah in the portal. Former top-50 recruit out of Milwaukee.
Should have 4 years left. Offered but not sure if he took a visit. Finalists were Missouri, Ohio State and Cincinnati.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 18, 2026, 03:49:53 PMDavion Hannah in the portal. Former top-50 recruit out of Milwaukee.
Should have 4 years left. Offered but not sure if he took a visit. Finalists were Missouri, Ohio State and Cincinnati.
Hmmmm.....certainly an intriguing prospect assuming he's healthy.
Quote from: tower912 on April 18, 2026, 03:00:08 PMFouls, fatigue, fractured feet/fingers/fibula. Find flippin' fast facilitators.
For a second there I thought this was an Alphabet Aerobics reference.
https://youtu.be/zlynqOgBAUw
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 18, 2026, 02:31:07 PMYes just one person. Have to be discreet but It was just my Son and his high school varsity teammate who was Nolan's college teammate and roommate.
Bro capitalizing Son like he's Jesus Christ.
Zaide to Dayton. Can't wait for a 300 page novel from Fieldhouse Flyer
https://x.com/kayserhoops/status/2045688350221172920?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Quote from: YoungMUFan4 on April 18, 2026, 09:24:24 PMZaide to Dayton. Can't wait for a 300 page novel from Fieldhouse Flyer
https://x.com/kayserhoops/status/2045688350221172920?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Good level for him. He could contribute on some solid teams.
Is Minessale official or are they still playing the money game?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 18, 2026, 09:52:41 PMIs Minessale official or are they still playing the money game?
There are a lot of other options than those two.
Great pickup by our friends 90 minutes west adding Eian Elmer of Miami. Elite shooter and solid rebounder. Will easily replace Blackwell.
Added some toughness getting one of the nation's best rebounders in Victory Onuetu.
Gard getting it done in the portal again. Can see why Minessale wasn't a take.
Quote from: YoungMUFan4 on April 18, 2026, 09:24:24 PMZaide to Dayton. Can't wait for a 300 page novel from Fieldhouse Flyer
https://x.com/kayserhoops/status/2045688350221172920?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Dead to me.
Quote from: YoungMUFan4 on April 18, 2026, 09:24:24 PMZaide to Dayton. Can't wait for a 300 page novel from Fieldhouse Flyer
https://x.com/kayserhoops/status/2045688350221172920?s=46&t=5FASZRHgruhjFLVJKu-4pQ
Dayton owns Shakas ass.
Good luck to Zaide.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 19, 2026, 06:18:03 AMDayton owns Shakas ass.
He's 3-3 against Dayton with a win against them in the A-10 title game.
Boy that Dayton diploma is going to serve him well in the washroom....
Sometimes it is better to realize what you are or are not....Hopefully he got some cash....
At least he got picked up.....and won't have to argue about playing time.....Should be plenty....
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 19, 2026, 07:04:44 AMHe's 3-3 against Dayton with a win against them in the A-10 title game.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 19, 2026, 07:04:44 AMHe's 3-3 against Dayton with a win against them in the A-10 title game.
Let's see. The A 10 Title game was when? About 20 years ago. Not relevant. What has Shaka done against Dayton since arriving at MU? Hence they own his ass. Getting owned by a mid major, or according to a number of posters a low major. Dayton owns Shakas ass.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 19, 2026, 08:27:58 AMLet's see. The A 10 Title game was when? About 20 years ago. Not relevant. What has Shaka done against Dayton since arriving at MU? Hence they own his ass. Getting owned by a mid major, or according to a number of posters a low major. Dayton owns Shakas ass.
They don't. Also, human ownership is still illegal, though I have a pretty good idea what your feelings are on that.
Wichita State beat Marquette in 1977. The Shockers own Al's azz.
Also, I thought you had me on ignore? 🤔
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 19, 2026, 08:34:05 AMThey don't. Also, human ownership is still illegal, though I have a pretty good idea what your feelings are on that.
Wichita State beat Marquette in 1977. The Shockers own Al's azz.
Also, I thought you had me on ignore? 🤔
Kinda weird to bring this up about a player who left the team, which was one of our worst ever, and who wasn't that good to begin with.
Quote from: warriors141 on April 19, 2026, 08:45:21 AMKinda weird to bring this up about a player who left the team, which was one of our worst ever, and who wasn't that good to begin with.
I agree. Why would Dayton take him?
I don't see any sites showing Tylen Riley committing... to any schools yet. Did I miss an announcement.. is he still a possibility for MU?
Quote from: willie warrior on April 19, 2026, 08:27:58 AMLet's see. The A 10 Title game was when? About 20 years ago. Not relevant. What has Shaka done against Dayton since arriving at MU? Hence they own his ass. Getting owned by a mid major, or according to a number of posters a low major. Dayton owns Shakas ass.
What are you talking about? Dayton has been a total non-factor program for decades. They have one elite eight in the past 40 years and next year they will be a bubble team at best while we look poised to contend for another big east title.
With that context, who cares about the coaches personal record against a mid major?
Quote from: noblewarrior on April 19, 2026, 09:21:03 AMI don't see any sites showing Tylen Riley committing... to any schools yet. Did I miss an announcement.. is he still a possibility for MU?
You didn't miss anything. He didn't come to Marquette as scheduled so it looks doubtful. No idea if that was a player decision or a Shaka decision.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 19, 2026, 09:21:35 AMWhat are you talking about? Dayton has been a total non-factor program for decades. They have one elite eight in the past 40 years and next year they will be a bubble team at best while we look poised to contend for another big east title.
With that context, who cares about the coaches personal record against a mid major?
Don't expect logic from joyless willie. The only way he gets to enjoy his Warrior pennant is in his dark and dank basement.
Happy for Zaide. It's going to be interesting to see how he plays against A10 competition. I can see it going well for him
Quote from: noblewarrior on April 19, 2026, 09:21:03 AMI don't see any sites showing Tylen Riley committing... to any schools yet. Did I miss an announcement.. is he still a possibility for MU?
I can't recall the source so I don't remember if it's trustworthy, but I saw somewhere that Riley will reportedly announce his decision on Tuesday morning.
In any case, I highly doubt we're as warm on him anymore considering that he cancelled his visit and is looking for a starting PG position. Others on here have pointed out he may not have been the best fit stylistically anyway.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 19, 2026, 09:49:11 AMIn any case, I highly doubt we're as warm on him anymore considering that he cancelled his visit and is looking for a starting PG position.
Unless I have missed something, we don't know who cancelled his visit.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 19, 2026, 09:50:52 AMUnless I have missed something, we don't know who cancelled his visit.
Fair enough. All I'm going off is this:
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 18, 2026, 11:38:23 AMCincy insiders saying Riley cancelled his visit to Marquette.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 19, 2026, 10:01:42 AMFair enough. All I'm going off is this:
OK gotcha. Maybe so.
Even after Minessale is in the fold, depth at the 1 and 2 is thin. The staff apparently doesn't mind keeping two guys who don't project to be in the rotation at the 5, so why not apply the same strategy elsewhere and use the last scholarship on another combo guard? We have the bandwidth and the need.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 19, 2026, 09:24:11 AMYou didn't miss anything. He didn't come to Marquette as scheduled so it looks doubtful. No idea if that was a player decision or a Shaka decision.
*or the player's agent's decision. You have to add that these days.
Quote from: Boone on April 19, 2026, 10:24:23 AMEven after Minessale is in the fold, depth at the 1 and 2 is thin. The staff apparently doesn't mind keeping two guys who don't project to be in the rotation at the 5, so why not apply the same strategy elsewhere and use the last scholarship on another combo guard? We have the bandwidth and the need.
If you add another guard from the portal, they are playing behind James, Stevens and Minessale, so they are probably going to get less minutes than at their previous school and is Marquette going to pay more in NIL as a 4th guard as they were getting at their previous school where they were a starter?
These are the questions I have to ask if I'm Marquette recruiting additional players next year.
Quote from: TedBaxter on April 19, 2026, 12:13:05 PMIf you add another guard from the portal, they are playing behind James, Stevens and Minessale, so they are probably going to get less minutes than at their previous school and is Marquette going to pay more in NIL as a 4th guard as they were getting at their previous school where they were a starter?
These are the questions I have to ask if I'm Marquette recruiting additional players next year.
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Which is a fair question regardless of position going forward. With the roster MU returns, other than the 5, already filled by Fru, where are big minutes available?
Quote from: TedBaxter on April 19, 2026, 12:13:05 PMIf you add another guard from the portal, they are playing behind James, Stevens and Minessale, so they are probably going to get less minutes than at their previous school and is Marquette going to pay more in NIL as a 4th guard as they were getting at their previous school where they were a starter?
This is exactly what UConn did when signing Malachi Smith away from Dayton to be their backup PG this past season. Hurley is sure glad he did it.
Quote from: TedBaxter on April 19, 2026, 12:13:05 PMIf you add another guard from the portal, they are playing behind James, Stevens and Minessale, so they are probably going to get less minutes than at their previous school and is Marquette going to pay more in NIL as a 4th guard as they were getting at their previous school where they were a starter?
These are the questions I have to ask if I'm Marquette recruiting additional players next year.
I think a better way of looking at it is you have three guard / wing positions. You have James, Stevens, and Minessale starting, and Owens and Phillips as experienced back ups.
Right now I am not sure that's good enough. Especially if they have any injury issues.
Let's get Minessale wrapped up today
Quote from: onepost on April 19, 2026, 12:31:36 PMLet's get Minessale wrapped up today
There are still around 2000 guys in the portal.....When we have two done.....We can then research the next most important need.....Probably guard with a handle that can actually make a 3....High volume scorer type for instant "relief" offense would be nice....
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 19, 2026, 09:21:35 AMWhat are you talking about? Dayton has been a total non-factor program for decades. They have one elite eight in the past 40 years and next year they will be a bubble team at best while we look poised to contend for another big east title.
With that context, who cares about the coaches personal record against a mid major?
That's it. Shakas recent record against Dayton sucks, so we sould not care about. What does that say for our current status? Guess we should not care about that 12-20 season either
Quote from: willie warrior on April 19, 2026, 01:13:54 PMThat's it. Shakas recent record against Dayton sucks, so we sould not care about. What does that say for our current status? Guess we should not care about that 12-20 season either
Good point. Probably why Marquette isn't getting anyone in the portal. If we had hired Pitino (who would have been the best to ever coach at Marquette), we'd be rolling in the portal.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 19, 2026, 12:25:43 PMI think a better way of looking at it is you have three guard / wing positions. You have James, Stevens, and Minessale starting, and Owens and Phillips as experienced back ups.
Right now I am not sure that's good enough. Especially if they have any injury issues.
Agree sulty - been saying depth is an issue for weeks
Since some were worried
https://x.com/portal_updates/status/2045724160647639510?s=61
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 19, 2026, 09:21:35 AMWhat are you talking about? Dayton has been a total non-factor program for decades. They have one elite eight in the past 40 years and next year they will be a bubble team at best while we look poised to contend for another big east title.
With that context, who cares about the coaches personal record against a mid major?
Look I hate Dayton as much as anyone and think they have one of the most overrated program traditions in CBB but maybe Elite 8s in 40yrs isn't the best metric given we only have 2 in that time.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 19, 2026, 08:49:21 AMI agree. Why would Dayton take him?
Does he get an '86 Chevy as part of the NIL package?
Just a thought, maybe MU is running out of NIL money, if that is the case, giving two stiffs some money was a mistake.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 19, 2026, 03:29:22 PMJust a thought, maybe MU is running out of NIL money, if that is the case, giving two stiffs some money was a mistake.
This guy...
Posit an unknown premise just to take a shot at a couple of our players.
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Quote from: BCHoopster on April 19, 2026, 03:29:22 PMJust a thought, maybe MU is running out of NIL money, if that is the case, giving two stiffs some money was a mistake.
Excuse me? What exactly are you suggesting/implying?
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 19, 2026, 03:29:22 PMJust a thought, maybe MU is running out of NIL money, if that is the case, giving two stiffs some money was a mistake.
This is what I've been told. Sounds like Minessale is getting a better offer elsewhere and Marquette can't match. That's why we haven't been connected with a 3rd player, we can't afford one and they're banking the scholarship.
Riley didn't visit because he was insulted with how much Marquette was offering. Guess it was performance based and included a discount at Cousins.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 19, 2026, 03:29:22 PMJust a thought, maybe MU is running out of NIL money, if that is the case, giving two stiffs some money was a mistake.
Stick to 6th grade state of Wisconsin basketball recruiting rankings. That is the real value you bring to the table.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 19, 2026, 03:29:22 PMJust a thought, maybe MU is running out of NIL money, if that is the case, giving two stiffs some money was a mistake.
So stupid
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 19, 2026, 03:29:22 PMJust a thought, maybe MU is running out of NIL money, if that is the case, giving two stiffs some money was a mistake.
Next time you might want to try not thinking...........
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 19, 2026, 03:36:46 PMThis is what I've been told. Sounds like Minessale is getting a better offer elsewhere and Marquette can't match. That's why we haven't been connected with a 3rd player, we can't afford one and they're banking the scholarship.
Riley didn't visit because he was insulted with how much Marquette was offering. Guess it was performance based and included a discount at Cousins.
I heard we we make all our NIL players pass a federal and state taxation proficiency test. You can only assume they all failed based on that info.
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 19, 2026, 03:29:22 PMJust a thought, maybe MU is running out of NIL money, if that is the case, giving two stiffs some money was a mistake.
At least most of Scoop's other Eeyores don't take direct shots at our players. Grow the eff up.
Quote from: MuMark on April 19, 2026, 02:01:41 PMSince some were worried
https://x.com/portal_updates/status/2045724160647639510?s=61
FIU to UCSB. His next stop will be Hawaii.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 19, 2026, 09:21:35 AMWhat are you talking about? Dayton has been a total non-factor program for decades. They have one elite eight in the past 40 years and next year they will be a bubble team at best while we look poised to contend for another big east title.
With that context, who cares about the coaches personal record against a mid major?
Dayton would have been a one seed in the NCAA tourney in 2020 but for the Covid shutdown. That team had a legit shot at Final 4/Championship.
If Kyle Evans doesn't get the starting job he wants somewhere, look for him to come here as a backup. I'd absolutely love it.
Anyone else getting (or anyone else not) nervous that there has been no official confirmation that Minessale is joining MU? Seems odd with a number of anecdotal "confirmations" but nothing official yet.
Quote from: onepost on April 19, 2026, 04:31:05 PMIf Kyle Evans doesn't get the starting job he wants somewhere, look for him to come here as a backup. I'd absolutely love it.
Is this wishful thinking or a legit possibility? I sure hope it's legit
Quote from: WearGold on April 19, 2026, 04:39:29 PMAnyone else getting (or anyone else not) nervous that there has been no official confirmation that Minessale is joining MU? Seems odd with a number of anecdotal "confirmations" but nothing official yet.
Nope. I'm never nervous.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 19, 2026, 04:45:06 PMNope. I'm never nervous.
Medieval, yes. Nervous, no.
Quote from: WearGold on April 19, 2026, 04:39:29 PMAnyone else getting (or anyone else not) nervous that there has been no official confirmation that Minessale is joining MU? Seems odd with a number of anecdotal "confirmations" but nothing official yet.
Not nervous
Quote from: swoopem on April 19, 2026, 04:40:48 PMIs this wishful thinking or a legit possibility? I sure hope it's legit
Legit possibility
Quote from: WearGold on April 19, 2026, 04:39:29 PMAnyone else getting (or anyone else not) nervous that there has been no official confirmation that Minessale is joining MU? Seems odd with a number of anecdotal "confirmations" but nothing official yet.
It's the weekend. My guess is that it's all over but the signing.
I heard Nolan was all set to commit, but then he read Scoop and learned about the ever widening gap.
I was in contact with Nolans Aunt and she said he was visiting Marquette and Madison this weekend and would commit this weekend also stating she would be suprised if it's not Marquette.
Also would love some Kyle Evan's action. That would be a great backup and depth player.
Quote from: onepost on April 19, 2026, 04:52:03 PMLegit possibility
So in this scenario with Evans, you feel the staff would be comfortable with a backcourt of James, Stevens, Minessale and Walker?
And would there be any concern with taking minutes away from Sheek?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 19, 2026, 05:28:06 PMSo in this scenario with Evans, you feel the staff would be comfortable with a backcourt of James, Stevens, Minessale and Walker?
And would there be any concern with taking minutes away from Sheek?
No clue. I'd prefer a guard over anyone but addding Evans > not adding Evans.
Just heard through someone he's still in play.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 19, 2026, 08:27:58 AMLet's see. The A 10 Title game was when? About 20 years ago. Not relevant. What has Shaka done against Dayton since arriving at MU? Hence they own his ass. Getting owned by a mid major, or according to a number of posters a low major. Dayton owns Shakas ass.
niet niet...Gard, Gard owns Shaka's ass. Gard.
Quote from: StillWarriors on April 19, 2026, 04:29:16 PMDayton would have been a one seed in the NCAA tourney in 2020 but for the Covid shutdown. That team had a legit shot at Final 4/Championship.
Hang the banner
Quote from: onepost on April 19, 2026, 04:52:03 PMLegit possibility
That would be quite the development..
Would rather that money go to a guard but Evans is a great player so if they can add him I'm in favor.
Maybe a current center departs if this happens? And another spot for a guard appears. Sounds unlikely
Quote from: onepost on April 19, 2026, 05:46:56 PMNo clue. I'd prefer a guard over anyone but addding Evans > not adding Evans.
Just heard through someone he's still in play.
I'd take Evans over a guard unless the guard can play the 2 or 3 and hit 3s. if Minessale can play some point. I think Stevens can play some point as well. Fru, Parham, Evans, and Pearson would be a really solid rotation.
Quote from: amgine_MU on April 19, 2026, 05:22:06 PMI was in contact with Nolans Aunt and she said he was visiting Marquette and Madison this weekend and would commit this weekend also stating she would be suprised if it's not Marquette.
Also would love some Kyle Evan's action. That would be a great backup and depth player.
So is Nolan just showing up in Madison to troll them before he signs with Marquette? If so I like him already!😂
Quote from: amgine_MU on April 19, 2026, 05:22:06 PMI was in contact with Nolans Aunt and she said he was visiting Marquette and Madison this weekend and would commit this weekend also stating she would be suprised if it's not Marquette.
Also would love some Kyle Evan's action. That would be a great backup and depth player.
Thank You for the post. Was talking in a large group with Nolan's Aunt today but did not get a chance to talk with her directly.
Has anyone posted this yet
BREAKING: On3's @Evan_Flood has logged an expert prediction for 6'5 SG Nolan Minessale ✍️
St. Thomas ➡️ Marquette
The #89 overall transfer averaged 20 PPG, 4.6 RPG & 4.3 APG, shooting 51% FG this season as a sophomore.. one of the best mid-major guards in the nation.
https://x.com/portalpredict/status/2045502482743279688?s=12&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
Or has this been posted
https://x.com/gengarold09/status/2045539762363101223?s=12
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 19, 2026, 11:33:08 PMOr has this been posted
https://x.com/gengarold09/status/2045539762363101223?s=12
🚨🚨🚨CRYSTAL BALL ALERT🚨🚨🚨
If they get Evans start him with Fru and Royce
Quote from: Markusquette on April 20, 2026, 08:52:50 AMIf they get Evans start him with Fru and Royce
Spacing would be terrible.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 19, 2026, 08:26:08 PMThank You for the post. Was talking in a large group with Nolan's Aunt today but did not get a chance to talk with her directly.
I had a long talk with Nolans cousin? Mia, who told me it was a done deal that she and Nolan committed to MU as a package deal. She also said that Nolan could not wait until he got on the court at MU.
Was this at 31 flavors? (insert Ferris Bueller reference here).
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 19, 2026, 04:53:15 PMI heard Nolan was all set to commit, but then he read Scoop and learned about the ever widening gap.
I heard his family was concerned about athlete lodging proximity to the dental school
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 20, 2026, 09:40:56 AMI heard his family was concerned about athlete lodging proximity to the dental school
Yes, that is true. Reports say that a dental school is very important to his recruitment. Deep drilling and filling the hole are what he is all about.
Portal closes tomorrow, right?
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 20, 2026, 10:02:44 AMAbsolutely not.
Is tomorrow the last day that someone can enter the portal and be eligible this upcoming season?
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 20, 2026, 10:04:53 AMIs tomorrow the last day that someone can enter the portal and be eligible this upcoming season?
No. It's the last day someone can get an easy pass to be eligible for next season by notifying their institution that they'd like to be entered into the portal (which can take up to a couple of business days to actually complete), except for certain situations such as a coaching change that occurs or grad transfers (or lawsuits, or guys with expired eligibility who get another year because of changes that could come this summer, etc.).
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 20, 2026, 09:11:36 AMSpacing would be terrible.
Depends on how Royce can shoot the ball. Michigan just won a national title starting two guys who rarely ever shot from the perimeter. Would need Royce to raise his attempts and percentage from 3 a bit to make it work, but it's possible.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 20, 2026, 11:00:57 AMDepends on how Royce can shoot the ball. Michigan just won a national title starting two guys who rarely ever shot from the perimeter. Would need Royce to raise his attempts and percentage from 3 a bit to make it work, but it's possible.
True, but I think Royce showed himself to be most effective when slashing/attacking the rim. I wouldn't say no to Evans but if we still have that kind of cash to throw around I'd rather they splash it on a highly regarded guard. Given what we've heard about what 5s cost vs. 1/2s, that should allow us to go relatively big.
If Nolan Minessale falls through, I'd still enjoy Kennard Davis. His recruitment has been awfully quiet.
Im confused. Did we not have like 2 different new topics made about Minessale? I thought he already officially committed.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 20, 2026, 11:51:55 AMIm confused. Did we not have like 2 different new topics made about Minessale? I thought he already officially committed.
that was Mia Minessale.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 20, 2026, 09:30:58 AMI had a long talk with Nolans cousin? Mia, who told me it was a done deal that she and Nolan committed to MU as a package deal. She also said that Nolan could not wait until he got on the court at MU.
I suspected this might be the case. I had a cousin whose D1 offer included a scollie for his sister as well
🧐
https://x.com/i/status/2046287681605501205
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 20, 2026, 01:26:35 PM🧐
https://x.com/i/status/2046287681605501205
I heard MU made contact two years ago when he decided to stay at UNC.
Trimble enters portal with no eligibility remaining. Must be a contingency plan in case NCAA passes the 5 for 5 proposal.
In that case, many 5th year players may be available for next season, including Ross and Gold.
Anyone got an ELI5 for how that works? Betting on a waiver for another year of eligibility? Something else going on that's obvious to people who know the industry but is opaque for filthy transfer portal casuals like me?
Quote from: jficke13 on April 20, 2026, 02:00:37 PMAnyone got an ELI5 for how that works? Betting on a waiver for another year of eligibility? Something else going on that's obvious to people who know the industry but is opaque for filthy transfer portal casuals like me?
Had to look up ELI5. But, it's kinda like writing a letter to Santa.
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 20, 2026, 02:00:19 PMTrimble enters portal with no eligibility remaining. Must be a contingency plan in case NCAA passes the 5 for 5 proposal.
In that case, many 5th year players may be available for next season, including Ross and Gold.
He's the perfect target for MU. Shaka can both bring in transfers and not mess with RGV. ;D
Quote from: 94Warrior on April 20, 2026, 02:00:19 PMTrimble enters portal with no eligibility remaining. Must be a contingency plan in case NCAA passes the 5 for 5 proposal.
Maybe he's hedged by placing a bet on Kalshi or Polymarket.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 20, 2026, 09:30:58 AMI had a long talk with Nolans cousin? Mia, who told me it was a done deal that she and Nolan committed to MU as a package deal. She also said that Nolan could not wait until he got on the court at MU.
Immediately following this conversation, Mia de-committed from MU, entered the WPP, and has decided to attend whatever university is furthest away from wherever Willie is located.
Also, Trimble has a do not contact tag. Meaning he must have an agreement in place with Shaka if 5 for 5 becomes reality.
Either Trimble, Willie, or both must be why Minessale is having second thoughts. Possibly entering Witness Protection with Mia.
Nolan Minessale isn't Mia... but this far, he is M.I.A.
Would like an announcement from him asap!
Trimble would have a 5th year grad year left???? Correct???
Similar to Theo John at Duke????
Quote from: burger on April 20, 2026, 03:25:52 PMTrimble would have a 5th year grad year left???? Correct???
Similar to Theo John at Duke????
That was an extra year due to covid I believe.
I'm not seeing anything on Tylen Riley, so I'm assuming that's done. Minessale smoke seems to have died down, but I think that's because it just needs to be made official.
Are there any other rumors MU is involved in?
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 20, 2026, 03:31:35 PMI'm not seeing anything on Tylen Riley, so I'm assuming that's done. Minessale smoke seems to have died down, but I think that's because it just needs to be made official.
Are there any other rumors MU is involved in?
Riley announces Wednesday - OU and Cincinnati are the top 2.
Quote from: burger on April 20, 2026, 03:25:52 PMTrimble would have a 5th year grad year left???? Correct???
Similar to Theo John at Duke????
Not sure here...were you asking questions?
At this point...!!!, Trimble does not have eligibility left...!!! just like Gold and Ross...!!! He put his name in the portal...!!! in case the NCAA eligibility requirements change...!!!
SiMpLe GoOgLe...search.
Steele reporting Minessale to Marquette (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2026/04/20/marquettes-shaka-smart-gets-commitment-from-st-thomas-transfer-nolan-minessale/89657635007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z116657p119550c119550e1144xxv116657d--46--b--46--&gca-ft=243&gca-ds=sophi).
Quote from: The Sultan on April 20, 2026, 04:22:45 PMSteele reporting Minessale to Marquette.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2026/04/20/marquettes-shaka-smart-gets-commitment-from-st-thomas-transfer-nolan-minessale/
And now the article is gone. #donedeal2.0
Quote from: The Sultan on April 20, 2026, 04:22:45 PMSteele reporting Minessale to Marquette.
https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2026/04/20/marquettes-shaka-smart-gets-commitment-from-st-thomas-transfer-nolan-minessale/
Let's go!
Edit: Looks like Steele jumped the gun.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 20, 2026, 04:22:45 PMSteele reporting Minessale to Marquette (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/marquette/2026/04/20/marquettes-shaka-smart-gets-commitment-from-st-thomas-transfer-nolan-minessale/89657635007/?gnt-cfr=1&gca-cat=p&gca-uir=true&gca-epti=z116657p119550c119550e1144xxv116657d--46--b--46--&gca-ft=243&gca-ds=sophi).
Which one?!?
Alright finally! Now get Kyle Evans!
Let's go 2.0!
https://x.com/i/status/2046338662493765787
Quote from: The Sultan on April 20, 2026, 04:24:29 PMNo just a bad link. Fixed it.
But BCHoopster told me we were out of NIL money because we're paying two stiffs that shouldn't be playing division 1 basketball. And I heard we're a poverty program.
But in reality, it's been a great week for the program. Some people have been hinting at banking the last scholarship. While I think Fru plus Minessale plus development is good enough to be a Tournament team, I think we need one more rotational piece to be a real player in a Big East title race.
Nice.
Any other combo guards out there that we've been mentioned with or that would be a good fit?
Quote from: Warrior_2002 on April 20, 2026, 04:26:36 PMAlright finally! Now get Kyle Evans!
Agreed. Perfect world we get Kyle Evans and then Josh or Caedin (please, god) leave and we fill that spot with a guard.
We are back!!!
Quote from: swoopem on April 20, 2026, 05:13:29 PMAgreed. Perfect world we get Kyle Evans and then Josh or Caedin (please, god) leave and we fill that spot with a guard.
We are back!!!
I'm intrigued by Evans and Fru. Evans is efficient as hell and another shot blocker. Given Michigan's success this year, more teams will try the two big approach. Adding Evans would give Marquette that option along with matching up against other teams running that approach.
I don't have a problem targeting another guard/shooter but wouldn't be opposed to another solid big.
I think Shaka has aced this off-season so far by retaining the key pieces and adding solid pieces. Takes pressure off James and Stevens having to do too much next season and allows them to grow into leadership roles as upperclassmen. Give the coach credit for adapting on the fly. Many didn't think he would.
And I don't blame him for trying the consistent roster approach. It flat out didn't work the last season and a half. It was bad but a lot of Scoopers thought he'd stay the course and he hasn't.
Not just Michigan but Florida the year before and both those UConn teams before that were huge.
Agreed on Shaka. He's crushed this offseason so far. Hopefully he's not done
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 20, 2026, 05:55:26 PMI'm intrigued by Evans and Fru. Evans is efficient as hell and another shot blocker. Given Michigan's success this year, more teams will try the two big approach. Adding Evans would give Marquette that option along with matching up against other teams running that approach.
I don't have a problem targeting another guard/shooter but wouldn't be opposed to another solid big.
I think Shaka has aced this off-season so far by retaining the key pieces and adding solid pieces. Takes pressure off James and Stevens having to do too much next season and allows them to grow into leadership roles as upperclassmen. Give the coach credit for adapting on the fly. Many didn't think he would.
And I don't blame him for trying the consistent roster approach. It flat out didn't work the last season and a half. It was bad but a lot of Scoopers thought he'd stay the course and he hasn't.
Agree 100%, Unk.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 20, 2026, 04:27:30 PMBut BCHoopster told me we were out of NIL money because we're paying two stiffs that shouldn't be playing division 1 basketball. And I heard we're a poverty program.
But in reality, it's been a great week for the program. Some people have been hinting at banking the last scholarship. While I think Fru plus Minessale plus development is good enough to be a Tournament team, I think we need one more rotational piece to be a real player in a Big East title race.
First off it was just a thought, just spit balling. I hope I am wrong as they do need a backup point. But do they really need 15 players, right now they have only 2 scholarships available for 2927 with a loaded state next year. I will say they have have a lot of the same size players next year, competition will be intense at the small forward position, really to many. Could redshirt 2 forwards.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 20, 2026, 04:27:10 PMLet's go 2.0!
https://x.com/i/status/2046338662493765787
One of the top "mid majors" is nasty work
Wow 2927, think 2027!
Quote from: Bahama on March 30, 2026, 07:42:58 AMI heard some insider news that Minessale is pretty much a Sure Thing from a source unrelated to MU. Obviously, would make sense to sit on it until the portal opens.
Damn, my guy was right
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 20, 2026, 05:55:26 PMI'm intrigued by Evans and Fru. Evans is efficient as hell and another shot blocker. Given Michigan's success this year, more teams will try the two big approach. Adding Evans would give Marquette that option along with matching up against other teams running that approach.
I don't have a problem targeting another guard/shooter but wouldn't be opposed to another solid big.
I think Shaka has aced this off-season so far by retaining the key pieces and adding solid pieces. Takes pressure off James and Stevens having to do too much next season and allows them to grow into leadership roles as upperclassmen. Give the coach credit for adapting on the fly. Many didn't think he would.
And I don't blame him for trying the consistent roster approach. It flat out didn't work the last season and a half. It was bad but a lot of Scoopers thought he'd stay the course and he hasn't.
What's a half season
Quote from: BCHoopster on April 20, 2026, 06:31:11 PMFirst off it was just a thought, just spit balling. I hope I am wrong as they do need a backup point. But do they really need 15 players, right now they have only 2 scholarships available for 2927 with a loaded state next year. I will say they have have a lot of the same size players next year, competition will be intense at the small forward position, really to many. Could redshirt 2 forwards.
🙄
Quote from: panda on April 20, 2026, 06:40:11 PMWhat's a half season
The final two months of 24-25
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 20, 2026, 05:55:26 PMI'm intrigued by Evans and Fru. Evans is efficient as hell and another shot blocker. Given Michigan's success this year, more teams will try the two big approach. Adding Evans would give Marquette that option along with matching up against other teams running that approach.
Not to mention Marquette plays Michigan next season... This would be hype.
I think posters have shared what adding Fru did to our projected team ranking on one of the analytical sites. Obviously there's still a ton of movement to come that will change it before the start of the season, but what does it look like with Minessale and Fru officially committed now?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 20, 2026, 07:09:08 PMI think posters have shared what adding Fru did to our projected team ranking on one of the analytical sites. Obviously there's still a ton of movement to come that will change it before the start of the season, but what does it look like with Minessale and Fru officially committed now?
23rd in T-Rank
Quote from: wadesworld on April 20, 2026, 07:09:08 PMI think posters have shared what adding Fru did to our projected team ranking on one of the analytical sites. Obviously there's still a ton of movement to come that will change it before the start of the season, but what does it look like with Minessale and Fru officially committed now?
Using T-Rank Rostercast
No transfers: 46
With Fru: 30
With Fru and Minessale: 23
At this point Minnesale will basically be replacing Chase. While Chase had a disappointing season might it not be a stretch to think a guy coming from a low D1 team might not be an improvement?
Minnesale shot a quite poor percentage from 3, so he should fit right in in that regard. But I fail to see how this is an improvement at a position that helped lead to a very bad season.
I am glad we got him as the alternative would have been to keep Tre, which was a complete disaster.
However, to be frank I do find it disappointing that the top teams in our conference and the top teams in the other conferences are managing to fill positions of need with proven players from proven conferences. Why is MU seemingly unwilling to compete to be a top team?, players like Kayden Mingo, Matt Able, are out there and we go with a low D1 player coming off a 12 win season? I appreciate we did something it just seems like MU is settling.
Part of me questions how badly Shaka wants to win. Before Oso and Kolek's last year I felt MU was a big shouldered banger away from competing for a national title and we gave up defensive rebound after defesive rebound and under performed while not filling a hole of glaring need.
Same thing before last year. I am glad we are finally doing something, but it just seems Shaka is not all about seizing that opportunity that does not just come along every year.
Thoughts?
Quote from: Rimrocker on April 20, 2026, 07:44:04 PMAt this point Minnesale will basically be replacing Chase. While Chase had a disappointing season might it not be a stretch to think a guy coming from a low D1 team might not be an improvement?
Minnesale shot a quite poor percentage from 3, so he should fit right in in that regard. But I fail to see how this is an improvement at a position that helped lead to a very bad season.
I am glad we got him as the alternative would have been to keep Tre, which was a complete disaster.
However, to be frank I do find it disappointing that the top teams in our conference and the top teams in the other conferences are managing to fill positions of need with proven players from proven conferences. Why is MU seemingly unwilling to compete to be a top team?, players like Kayden Mingo, Matt Able, are out there and we go with a low D1 player coming off a 12 win season? I appreciate we did something it just seems like MU is settling.
Part of me questions how badly Shaka wants to win. Before Oso and Kolek's last year I felt MU was a big shouldered banger away from competing for a national title and we gave up defensive rebound after defesive rebound and under performed while not filling a hole of glaring need.
Same thing before last year. I am glad we are finally doing something, but it just seems Shaka is not all about seizing that opportunity that does not just come along every year.
Thoughts?
You're wrong
Quote from: Rimrocker on April 20, 2026, 07:44:04 PMAt this point Minnesale will basically be replacing Chase. While Chase had a disappointing season might it not be a stretch to think a guy coming from a low D1 team might not be an improvement?
Minnesale shot a quite poor percentage from 3, so he should fit right in in that regard. But I fail to see how this is an improvement at a position that helped lead to a very bad season.
I am glad we got him as the alternative would have been to keep Tre, which was a complete disaster.
However, to be frank I do find it disappointing that the top teams in our conference and the top teams in the other conferences are managing to fill positions of need with proven players from proven conferences. Why is MU seemingly unwilling to compete to be a top team?, players like Kayden Mingo, Matt Able, are out there and we go with a low D1 player coming off a 12 win season? I appreciate we did something it just seems like MU is settling.
Part of me questions how badly Shaka wants to win. Before Oso and Kolek's last year I felt MU was a big shouldered banger away from competing for a national title and we gave up defensive rebound after defesive rebound and under performed while not filling a hole of glaring need.
Same thing before last year. I am glad we are finally doing something, but it just seems Shaka is not all about seizing that opportunity that does not just come along every year.
Thoughts?
My thought is that any hypothesis that causes you to question how badly Shaka wants to win is a very poor one.
Quote from: Rimrocker on April 20, 2026, 07:44:04 PMAt this point Minnesale will basically be replacing Chase. While Chase had a disappointing season might it not be a stretch to think a guy coming from a low D1 team might not be an improvement?
Minnesale shot a quite poor percentage from 3, so he should fit right in in that regard. But I fail to see how this is an improvement at a position that helped lead to a very bad season.
I am glad we got him as the alternative would have been to keep Tre, which was a complete disaster.
However, to be frank I do find it disappointing that the top teams in our conference and the top teams in the other conferences are managing to fill positions of need with proven players from proven conferences. Why is MU seemingly unwilling to compete to be a top team?, players like Kayden Mingo, Matt Able, are out there and we go with a low D1 player coming off a 12 win season? I appreciate we did something it just seems like MU is settling.
Part of me questions how badly Shaka wants to win. Before Oso and Kolek's last year I felt MU was a big shouldered banger away from competing for a national title and we gave up defensive rebound after defesive rebound and under performed while not filling a hole of glaring need.
Same thing before last year. I am glad we are finally doing something, but it just seems Shaka is not all about seizing that opportunity that does not just come along every year.
Thoughts?
Agreed, doesn't seem like Shaka wants to win.
I want another guard.
Quote from: Rimrocker on April 20, 2026, 07:44:04 PMAt this point Minnesale will basically be replacing Chase. While Chase had a disappointing season might it not be a stretch to think a guy coming from a low D1 team might not be an improvement?
Minnesale shot a quite poor percentage from 3, so he should fit right in in that regard. But I fail to see how this is an improvement at a position that helped lead to a very bad season.
I am glad we got him as the alternative would have been to keep Tre, which was a complete disaster.
However, to be frank I do find it disappointing that the top teams in our conference and the top teams in the other conferences are managing to fill positions of need with proven players from proven conferences. Why is MU seemingly unwilling to compete to be a top team?, players like Kayden Mingo, Matt Able, are out there and we go with a low D1 player coming off a 12 win season? I appreciate we did something it just seems like MU is settling.
Part of me questions how badly Shaka wants to win. Before Oso and Kolek's last year I felt MU was a big shouldered banger away from competing for a national title and we gave up defensive rebound after defesive rebound and under performed while not filling a hole of glaring need.
Same thing before last year. I am glad we are finally doing something, but it just seems Shaka is not all about seizing that opportunity that does not just come along every year.
Thoughts?
There's so much wrong with this.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 20, 2026, 07:48:02 PMMy thought is that any hypothesis that causes you to question how badly Shaka wants to win is a very poor one.
"We want Marquette active in the portal!"
No, not like that!
"Why didn't we get someone from a power conference?"
We did, got a guy from Louisville.
"Big East schools are outportaling us!"
Marquette has added 2 consensus top-100 portal players at areas of need and can still add a 3rd.
Quote from: Rimrocker on April 20, 2026, 07:44:04 PMI am glad we got him as the alternative would have been to keep Tre, which was a complete disaster.
Has the ship sailed on Tre returning? Maybe a marginal upgrade could be found or maybe they can get one of the 3 top PGs they are after in 27 (Davis, Pemberton, Cleveland) to reclassify.
2nd team all-conference eeyore...
Quote from: Rimrocker on April 20, 2026, 07:44:04 PMAt this point Minnesale will basically be replacing Chase. While Chase had a disappointing season might it not be a stretch to think a guy coming from a low D1 team might not be an improvement?
Minnesale shot a quite poor percentage from 3, so he should fit right in in that regard. But I fail to see how this is an improvement at a position that helped lead to a very bad season.
I am glad we got him as the alternative would have been to keep Tre, which was a complete disaster.
However, to be frank I do find it disappointing that the top teams in our conference and the top teams in the other conferences are managing to fill positions of need with proven players from proven conferences. Why is MU seemingly unwilling to compete to be a top team?, players like Kayden Mingo, Matt Able, are out there and we go with a low D1 player coming off a 12 win season? I appreciate we did something it just seems like MU is settling.
Part of me questions how badly Shaka wants to win. Before Oso and Kolek's last year I felt MU was a big shouldered banger away from competing for a national title and we gave up defensive rebound after defesive rebound and under performed while not filling a hole of glaring need.
Same thing before last year. I am glad we are finally doing something, but it just seems Shaka is not all about seizing that opportunity that does not just come along every year.
Thoughts?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 20, 2026, 07:56:42 PM"We want Marquette active in the portal!"
No, not like that!
"Why didn't we get someone from a power conference?"
We did, got a guy from Louisville.
"Big East schools are outportaling us!"
Marquette has added 2 consensus top-100 portal players at areas of need and can still add a 3rd.
And retained every player we wanted retained.
Quote from: Rimrocker on April 20, 2026, 07:44:04 PMAt this point Minnesale will basically be replacing Chase. While Chase had a disappointing season might it not be a stretch to think a guy coming from a low D1 team might not be an improvement?
Minnesale shot a quite poor percentage from 3, so he should fit right in in that regard. But I fail to see how this is an improvement at a position that helped lead to a very bad season.
I am glad we got him as the alternative would have been to keep Tre, which was a complete disaster.
However, to be frank I do find it disappointing that the top teams in our conference and the top teams in the other conferences are managing to fill positions of need with proven players from proven conferences. Why is MU seemingly unwilling to compete to be a top team?, players like Kayden Mingo, Matt Able, are out there and we go with a low D1 player coming off a 12 win season? I appreciate we did something it just seems like MU is settling.
Part of me questions how badly Shaka wants to win. Before Oso and Kolek's last year I felt MU was a big shouldered banger away from competing for a national title and we gave up defensive rebound after defesive rebound and under performed while not filling a hole of glaring need.
Same thing before last year. I am glad we are finally doing something, but it just seems Shaka is not all about seizing that opportunity that does not just come along every year.
Thoughts?
LOL
Quote from: The Sultan on April 20, 2026, 08:05:15 PMAnd retained every player we wanted retained.
One of the most exciting young PGs in the nation returns. Solid player in Stevens, a progrum guy who shot pretty good as a Frosh. Parham was a dude the last month of the season. Worst game was in a 22-point win. Needs to be a better passer.
Legit excited for Egubuonu and Sheek. Heck, even Phillips in year 2.
Blackwell To Duke
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 20, 2026, 07:18:38 PMUsing T-Rank Rostercast
No transfers: 46
With Fru: 30
With Fru and Minessale: 23
I'm getting 22 as of a few minutes ago 📈
12 with Kyle Evans.
https://x.com/TransferPortal/status/2046402018965684617?s=20
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 20, 2026, 08:37:48 PMWe'll just have to wait and see, no?
It's always raining.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 20, 2026, 08:34:00 PMBlackwell To Duke
Been told Gard urged him to leave because he didn't have any minutes for him next year
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 20, 2026, 08:34:33 PMI'm getting 22 as of a few minutes ago 📈
12 with Kyle Evans.
Let's see if the metrics on paper actually reflects what happens on the court next season.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 20, 2026, 08:38:25 PMIt's always raining.
Certainly better than the drought we had last season.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 20, 2026, 08:47:58 PMCertainly better than the drought we had last season.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 20, 2026, 08:44:09 PMLet's see if the metrics on paper actually reflects what happens on the court next season.
Nice! In back-to-back posts, you combined a reminder of last season's drought with preparing for failure this coming season. Kudos!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 20, 2026, 08:58:44 PMNice! In back-to-back posts, you combined a reminder of last season's drought with preparing for failure this coming season. Kudos!
You're welcome! Especially when neither of us knows what next season will bring.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 20, 2026, 08:37:48 PMWe'll just have to wait and see, no?
No I think you're right.......i mean junior year Jimmy Butler averaged 14 points a game........which is the same as senior year Chase........and we know they were basically the same player.
Just spoke to Shaka, and he told me that he hates winning.
Meanwhile, eeyore69 never disappoints. Being absolutely miserable is a unique way to go through life.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 20, 2026, 08:34:00 PMBlackwell To Duke
Lots of students who can't make it at Madison go to places like Duke, Harvard and Stanford.
I know I'm not the most normal guy in the world, but holy crap there are some weird f**ks on here.
Anyway, great to have NM on board. Evans would be excellent. In my idea world we add him or another big, PLUS a guy who can swing some backup PG mins if needed (and, therefore, one more transfer out). This result seems unlikely at this point, but one can hope.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 20, 2026, 09:58:46 PMI know I'm not the most normal guy in the world, but holy crap there are some weird f**ks on here.
Anyway, great to have NM on board. Evans would be excellent. In my idea world we add him or another big, PLUS a guy who can swing some backup PG mins if needed (and, therefore, one more transfer out). This result seems unlikely at this point, but one can hope.
Ideal vs. idea.
Quote from: MU82 on April 20, 2026, 09:55:18 PMJust spoke to Shaka, and he told me that he hates winning.
Meanwhile, eeyore69 never disappoints. Being absolutely miserable is a unique way to go through life.
Were discussing Marquette Basketball, not life. If anyone was miserable it was those who just stopped posting on Scoop as they had nothing to say sarcastically or otherwise this past season.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 20, 2026, 10:02:49 PMWere discussing Marquette Basketball, not life.
*We're vs. Were
#mubb IS life.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 20, 2026, 10:02:49 PMWere discussing Marquette Basketball, not life. If anyone was miserable it was those who just stopped posting on Scoop as they had nothing to say sarcastically or otherwise this past season.
It's always raining.
Posted this earlier but during the season Nolan's awesome modest and humble Grandparents said to me that Marquette needs more than Nolan. Well Marquette was "Fru"itful and got Fru too
Nm
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 21, 2026, 06:43:35 AMPosted this earlier but during the season Nolan's awesome modest and humble Grandparents said to me that Marquette needs more than Nolan. Well Marquette was "Fru"itful and got Fru too
MU is back in a massive way. But we're not done adding weapons.
Me waiting for new Marquette portal news right now...
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Pretty sure we're going to be 2 and through.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 08:47:36 AMWhy?
I'm wondering if they are holding it open for a re-class. But boy will they be young next year if they bring in another '26. 2/3 of the team will be freshmen and sophomores.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 08:56:58 AMI'm wondering if they are holding it open for a re-class. But boy will they be young next year if they bring in another '26. 2/3 of the team will be freshmen and sophomores.
I'd probably caution against expecting full retention of the current roster in '27-'28. There will be guys that will leave.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 08:56:58 AMI'm wondering if they are holding it open for a re-class. But boy will they be young next year if they bring in another '26. 2/3 of the team will be freshmen and sophomores.
On a roster of 15, looking at it this was is a bit disingenuous, imo. It appears our starting lineup may be a senior, two juniors, two sophomores.. with a junior as hopefully #6.
We won't be heavy on the weighted average experience, but I think we'll be higher than last season... and, the continuity minutes should be in line with last year, perhaps a tiny bump -- so very high nationally.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 08:56:58 AMI'm wondering if they are holding it open for a re-class. But boy will they be young next year if they bring in another '26. 2/3 of the team will be freshmen and sophomores.
Good point. For example, not sure if Donovan Davis reclassing is a realistic option but if he was interested in that and it is what would seal a commitment, I could see it making sense.
And yeah, as it stands now, Fru is our only senior, at least in regard to eligbility.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 09:01:52 AMGood point. For example, not sure if Donovan Davis reclassing is a realistic option but if he was interested in that and it is what would seal a commitment, I could see it making sense.
And yeah, as it stands now, Fru is our only senior, at least in regard to eligbility.
I would 100% take a Davis commitment if that is on the table. Locking up 1 top 50 kid a year early each year is a good strategy, imo.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 09:01:46 AMOn a roster of 15, looking at it this was is a bit disingenuous, imo. It appears our starting lineup may be a senior, two juniors, two sophomores.. with a junior as hopefully #6.
We won't be heavy on the weighted average experience, but I think we'll be higher than last season... and, the continuity minutes should be in line with last year, perhaps a tiny bump -- so very high nationally.
Yeah, I get all of this. It just seems like teams that are performing best these days, outside of the one-and-done factory at Duke, are generally those with the most experience - not necessarily minute continuity.
I am perfectly willing to admit that this may get me a "#fakenews #lies" response however.
Unless Minessale can effectively back Nigel up at PG, I'd prefer to add another ballhandler. We cannot run NJ into the ground at 34 minutes a night. Is Adrien Stevens an answer to this? If him and Minessale can give you 10-15 minutes as the lead guard then we're set.
I was briefly excited about Damarius Owens as a potential PG but that experiment is likely over. His dribble is too high and turnover rate is, well... Stick to dunking and keep improving that 3-point % and defense. He could possibly be Big East 6th man of the year if this offseason finally allows him to reach his potential.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 09:12:22 AMYeah, I get all of this. It just seems like teams that are performing best these days, outside of the one-and-done factory at Duke, are generally those with the most experience - not necessarily minute continuity.
I am perfectly willing to admit that this may get me a "#fakenews #lies" response however.
I think next season will be a massive step up in quality. But 27-28 looks like it could be unreal. Nigel (jr.), Adrien (jr.) Minessale (sr.) Royce (sr) Sheek (so) + Experienced bench with guys like MPIII, DO, Egbuonu, Ian M, Nash with experience under their belts
That's if everyone stays!
So now that it seems obvious that Coach Smart won't get fired or leave this offseason, barring one of the rare exceptions that JayBee has mentioned, today is the last day for someone like Caedin or Josh to put his name into the transfer portal correct?
In that case, if Shaka is actively considering another big for this season I would expect that to happen. If it doesn't happen I would be pretty surprised if he added another big.
We've discussed adding another pg and I haven't commented either way because I wasn't sure.
Now that I see how the roster has shaken out and with the addition of Nolan I'm not worried about the 10-12 minutes when Nigel won't be in the game
Adrien seemed very capable last season, and I would suspect he's the one that gets most of the backup 1 minutes with plenty of guys able to play the 2-4 spots.
Minessale and Walker can apparently also handle the ball, as can others
I think Shaka should take the most impactful player he can with the last spot, regardless of position, as that would put the team over the top for a bonafide BE contender.
You let the logjam work itself out depending on who you can get imo.
Donovan Davis reclass would be impactful for this season and overall program growth/trajectory so if that's a thing it would be great
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 09:12:22 AMYeah, I get all of this. It just seems like teams that are performing best these days, outside of the one-and-done factory at Duke, are generally those with the most experience - not necessarily minute continuity.
I am perfectly willing to admit that this may get me a "#fakenews #lies" response however.
Nah, I won't give you that response -- it's a bit all over the board, but in a perfect world I'd want both experience + minutes continuity. Both are 'valuable' at a high level, but the details matter.
BTW, I4 was #1 in experience this year. LOL! (although tough to laugh too hard as I attended the ugly game we had against them).
I'd rather add Nolan's teammate Nick Janowski than just let a scholarship go unused. We're going to start having players leave now that we're in the portal game. I wouldn't expect 3-5 guys every year, but I'd think at least 1 every year will leave. We'll find scholarships for big recruits if we need to. Banking a scholarship doesn't make sense, especially when you're low on proven contributors. I think we're a Tourney team as is, but there's potential for this to be a top 3 BE team. I'd like to add one more contributor to make that happen.
Quote from: DoctorV on April 21, 2026, 09:43:04 AMSo now that it seems obvious that Coach Smart won't get fired or leave this offseason, barring one of the rare exceptions that JayBee has mentioned, today is the last day for someone like Caedin or Josh to put his name into the transfer portal correct?
Last day to put their name into the transfer portal and be easily eligible for next season. But it may take a few days for that information to trickle out to us plebs. Don't expect a hard stop of outgoing transfer announcements at midnight tonight. There will be more entrants announced over the next few days.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2026, 09:59:30 AMI'd rather add Nolan's teammate Nick Janowski than just let a scholarship go unused. We're going to start having players leave now that we're in the portal game. I wouldn't expect 3-5 guys every year, but I'd think at least 1 every year will leave. We'll find scholarships for big recruits if we need to. Banking a scholarship doesn't make sense, especially when you're low on proven contributors. I think we're a Tourney team as is, but there's potential for this to be a top 3 BE team. I'd like to add one more contributor to make that happen.
Banking a scholarship allows for situations like Sheek and Nash. Hell, with how crazy things have gotten an open scholarship may allow you to add a euro star or g-league player midseason. There's value in having an open scholarship.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 21, 2026, 10:02:55 AMBanking a scholarship allows for situations like Sheek and Nash. Hell, with how crazy things have gotten an open scholarship may allow you to add a euro star or g-league player midseason. There's value in having an open scholarship.
In most years I agree with this. But I think there's more value this year in adding a contributor with the last scholarship. In a year where you have a really solid 8 man rotation you know you can rely on, with 15 scholarships I'm happy to leave the last 1 open (and the 14th going to a project). This year I'd like to see them all filled because I'm not sure who guys 6-8 in the rotation will be. I THINK we'll have enough with Owens, Philips, Nash, Sheek, Egbuonu, and Ian, but I'm definitely not super confident about it. Adding a guy like even Janowski just gives you one more player who might hit as a rotational piece.
If your backup PG role is covered, and that's a big if, then I think you can try to lure Donavan Davis into a reclass and redshirt scenario.
There's a strong possibility this really helped Sheek and we see a freshman campaign that is much better than it would have been had he stayed in HS. It's a good recruiting tool to get dudes on campus before your competition.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 21, 2026, 10:10:45 AMIf your backup PG role is covered, and that's a big if, then I think you can try to lure Donavan Davis into a reclass and redshirt scenario.
There's a strong possibility this really helped Sheek and we see a freshman campaign that is much better than it would have been had he stayed in HS. It's a good recruiting tool to get dudes on campus before your competition.
Yes, like 18 and Josh!
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 10:13:06 AMYes, like 18 and Josh!
Good point! But I was talking about recruits that other schools have heard of and actually wanted... Josh and Caedin were "diamonds in the rough" prospects that there was no consensus on whatsoever and haven't panned out. Sheek was a top-75 recruit in his class, much like Davis.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 21, 2026, 10:15:49 AM"diamonds in the rough"
Really, that's what we're calling them?
Riley is likely going to Cincinatti. Outside shot of oklahoma
I am surprised that either Hamilton or Clark did not enter the transfer portal. With Fru starting and Pearson needing some minutes to develop, I cannot imagine that Hamilton plays much, and I suspect Clark will rarely see the floor. I understand that Shaka likes Hamilton, and I have no doubt that he is a good guy. But, what in the world do you do with four bigs - two of whom cannot play?
Quote from: jfp61 on April 21, 2026, 10:21:55 AMRiley is likely going to Cincinatti. Outside shot of oklahoma
He should opt for Cincinnati instead.
Sheek can also play PF, so I think that MIGHT leave a few minutes at center for one of the two...
I think the minutes might line up this way:
Royce: 28
Fru: 24
Sheek: 24
Caedin/Josh: 4
That's not looking good (for them), especially if they play small and Damarius, MPIII, and Ian slot in at PF
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 21, 2026, 10:58:40 AMSheek can also play PF, so I think that MIGHT leave a few minutes at center for one of the two...
I think the minutes might line up this way:
Royce: 28
Fru: 24
Sheek: 24
Caedin/Josh: 4
That's not looking good (for them), especially if they play small and Damarius, MPIII, and Ian slot in at PF
Fru is gonna need to cut down on fouls for 25ish mins.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 21, 2026, 11:04:31 AMFru is gonna need to cut down on fouls for 25ish mins.
He averaged 2.3 fouls in 22 mpg last year...
Assuming we do have at least one player transfer out next year, is there anyone that immediately comes to mind?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2026, 11:05:27 AMHe averaged 2.3 fouls in 22 mpg last year...
Yeah, 5 per 40. But he's never playing 40 so he should be good.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2026, 11:05:27 AMHe averaged 2.3 fouls in 22 mpg last year...
While I think 25 mpg isn't a big thing for him, would note he fouled out a couple of games, had like 5 4 foul games and many 3 foul games. Against tier A+B KenPom teams, his foul rate was over 5 per 40.
Personally I'd like to see more like 28 mpg, and foul trouble could cause issues in some games (could means will). Fortunately for Shaka he's got a guy on the bench who can do no wrong in his eyes, so we're "covered" for minutes Fru "has to" sit.
Gonna be painful to watch.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 21, 2026, 10:58:40 AMSheek can also play PF, so I think that MIGHT leave a few minutes at center for one of the two...
I think the minutes might line up this way:
Royce: 28
Fru: 24
Sheek: 24
Caedin/Josh: 4
That's not looking good (for them), especially if they play small and Damarius, MPIII, and Ian slot in at PF
I think it's a little optimistic that Sheek plays 24 minutes per game as a freshman big.
Fast forward 3 years from my post below...
Terrence Brown is heading to North Carolina.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 28, 2023, 11:57:11 AMPs- Terrence brown, FDU. Could make big noise in the future
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2026, 11:05:27 AMHe averaged 2.3 fouls in 22 mpg last year...
For some reason I thought I read it was higher. Good to know
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 21, 2026, 11:23:32 AMYet the Sun still shines.
Not where you live. I imagine your conversations with your family start with, "I'll probably die today so what's the point"
Quote from: rgoode57 on April 21, 2026, 10:53:47 AMI am surprised that either Hamilton or Clark did not enter the transfer portal. With Fru starting and Pearson needing some minutes to develop, I cannot imagine that Hamilton plays much, and I suspect Clark will rarely see the floor. I understand that Shaka likes Hamilton, and I have no doubt that he is a good guy. But, what in the world do you do with four bigs - two of whom cannot play?
Not sure why there's so much consternation about the very end of our bench. Hamilton and/or Clark should only see a few minutes per game or less if Fru, Sheek and Royce are healthy.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 11:38:02 AMNot sure why there's so much consternation about the very end of our bench. Hamilton and/or Clark should only see a few minutes per game or less if Fru, Sheek and Royce are healthy.
And honestly, having a few change-of-pace bigs who can absorb fouls is a very valuable asset. They will help our team more in small doses than they did in big minutes last year.
Can't teach height.
Sheek won't be your average freshman as he'll have a year of D1 strength/conditioning under his belt. But I think it's reasonable to expect him getting 20 minutes a night between the PF/C.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 11:38:02 AMNot sure why there's so much consternation about the very end of our bench. Hamilton and/or Clark should only see a few minutes per game or less if Fru, Sheek and Royce are healthy.
There's been some discussion of whether MU should try to take a third player out of the portal or keep a scholarship open for a reclassification. That's an either or situation at this point. MU cannot do both unless another player leaves. There is a cost to keeping both Hamilton and Clark.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2026, 11:05:27 AMHe averaged 2.3 fouls in 22 mpg last year...
Don't remember where I saw it but someone mentioned several times he got in foul trouble early which would limit his minutes.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 11:38:02 AMHamilton and/or Clark should only see a few minutes per game or less if Fru, Sheek and Royce are healthy.
Bro, you remember who our coach is?
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 12:08:15 PMBro, you remember who our coach is?
The same coach who wasn't going to use the portal?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2026, 12:23:29 PMThe same coach who wasn't going to use the portal?
until the powers that be told him to...
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 21, 2026, 12:47:22 PMuntil the powers that be told him to...
A coach acting in self-preservation is a startling development
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2026, 12:48:38 PMA coach acting in self-preservation is a startling development
They apparently didn't tell him to jettison a certain person(s). Thus, we will see court time. I can FEEL it.
I'll just quote this here rather than retyping everything. Once again, the problem wasn't "Shaka loves Caedin so much he gives him minutes no matter who's on the roster!" The problem was "Shaka only had Caedin, Royce, Ben, and Clark who could conceivably physically play the 5." Ben should've been relied on to play about 10 mpg at the 5, and none of the rest of those guys should've been playing BE minutes at the 5. But there were 40 minutes that needed to be filled. That won't be an issue next year.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 04:28:25 PMAlready addressed this, and it's pretty much #fakenews #lies.
The last 19 games of the season, Caedin averaged 8.9 mpg. In those 19 games, he played 10+ minutes in 8 of them. One was against Zuby in a game Ben didn't play, one was in a game Royce played 25 minutes because of foul trouble (4 fouls), one was against Zuby and Royce played 29 minutes because of fouls (4 fouls), one was a game where Royce didn't play, one was a 22 point win when we were curbstomping Providence from start to finish, and one was with Ben playing 15 minutes because of foul trouble (4 fouls).
So in 3 of the final 19 games he played 10+ minutes without any foul trouble or entire games being missed by Royce/Ben. One of those was a 22 point blowout, a second was exactly 10 minutes.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2026, 01:23:43 PMI'll just quote this here rather than retyping everything. Once again, the problem wasn't "Shaka loves Caedin so much he gives him minutes no matter who's on the roster!" The problem was "Shaka only had Caedin, Royce, Ben, and Clark who could conceivably physically play the 5." But there were 40 minutes that needed to be filled. That won't be an issue next year.
I again disagree. There was certainly no reason for him to start - that was insane. But, it continued all year where he was part of the regular early rotation
in games.
There's something odd going on, and I fear it won't stop.
Sorry, wades, I don't believe those facts. Shaka loves Caedin and will play him at least 30 mpg. I just feel like that's the actual truth, and therefore it is.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 12:53:00 PMThey apparently didn't tell him to jettison a certain person(s). Thus, we will see court time. I can FEEL it.
We will?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 21, 2026, 08:46:38 AMPretty sure we're going to be 2 and through.
Big fan of our portal business thus far but think this would be a mistake. We're one more contributor away from being set. Preferably a guard cc: tower
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 21, 2026, 02:21:49 PMBig fan of our portal business thus far but think this would be a mistake. We're one more contributor away from being set. Preferably a guard cc: tower
TAMU also alluded to possibly holding for an international or G League player. Options galore for that spot outside the portal.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2026, 02:30:55 PMTAMU also alluded to possibly holding for an international or G League player. Options galore for that spot outside the portal.
Justin Lewis you ready?!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2026, 02:30:55 PMTAMU also alluded to possibly holding for an international or G League player. Options galore for that spot outside the portal.
Dodds posted last week...a developemental HS player.
With 9 underclassmen, getting a 10th would be underwelming. I'd love one more senior.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 21, 2026, 11:56:05 AMThere's been some discussion of whether MU should try to take a third player out of the portal or keep a scholarship open for a reclassification. That's an either or situation at this point. MU cannot do both unless another player leaves. There is a cost to keeping both Hamilton and Clark.
That's a hypothetical not really based on anything substantive.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2026, 01:23:43 PMI'll just quote this here rather than retyping everything. Once again, the problem wasn't "Shaka loves Caedin so much he gives him minutes no matter who's on the roster!" The problem was "Shaka only had Caedin, Royce, Ben, and Clark who could conceivably physically play the 5." Ben should've been relied on to play about 10 mpg at the 5, and none of the rest of those guys should've been playing BE minutes at the 5. But there were 40 minutes that needed to be filled. That won't be an issue next year.
Swap out Fru for Ben and add a freshman who hasn't played a minute of D-1 basketball. And what we saw last year was the same thing we saw the year before minus Clark since he redshirted, and Shaka saw fit to run it back. And Caedin is still on the roster.
A lot of people have a blind spot for Shaka's blind spot for Hamilton.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 03:05:50 PMSwap out Fru for Ben and add a freshman who hasn't played a minute of D-1 basketball. And what we saw last year was the same thing we saw the year before minus Clark since he redshirted, and Shaka saw fit to run it back. And Caedin is still on the roster.
A lot of people have a blind spot for Shaka's blind spot for Hamilton.
I'll just requote the post I just quoted, since it provides the details to counter this. Caedin did not play as much as you're imagining he did down the stretch of the season.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 25, 2026, 04:28:25 PMAlready addressed this, and it's pretty much #fakenews #lies.
The last 19 games of the season, Caedin averaged 8.9 mpg. In those 19 games, he played 10+ minutes in 8 of them. One was against Zuby in a game Ben didn't play, one was in a game Royce played 25 minutes because of foul trouble (4 fouls), one was against Zuby and Royce played 29 minutes because of fouls (4 fouls), one was a game where Royce didn't play, one was a 22 point win when we were curbstomping Providence from start to finish, and one was with Ben playing 15 minutes because of foul trouble (4 fouls).
So in 3 of the final 19 games he played 10+ minutes without any foul trouble or entire games being missed by Royce/Ben. One of those was a 22 point blowout, a second was exactly 10 minutes.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2026, 03:10:38 PMI'll just requote the post I just quoted, since it provides the details to counter this. Caedin did not play as much as you're imagining he did down the stretch of the season.
9 minutes is certainly not nothing.
Quote from: The Lens on April 21, 2026, 02:35:35 PMDodds posted last week...a developemental HS player.
With 9 underclassmen, getting a 10th would be underwelming. I'd love one more senior.
I doubt the staff will turn down another junior or senior. Though, if it's Donovan Davis, I'm fine with it.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 03:11:17 PM9 minutes is certainly not nothing.
Feel free to read further. There's a lot more context to it, and we now have two bigs that are a lot better and more suited to play the 5 in the Big East than any player we had on the roster last season.
I'll happily wager some amount of money to a charity of the winner's choice on over/under Caedin minutes played per game next year. Let's call it 8.5. I'll take the under, you can have the over.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 03:05:50 PMA lot of people have a blind spot for Shaka's blind spot for Hamilton.
???
You realize he stopped starting and had his minutes cut during the season right?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 03:16:53 PM???
You realize he stopped starting and had his minutes cut during the season right?
And yet he's still here!
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 03:23:23 PMAnd yet he's still here!
Yes he is. Do you know what his role is going to be? Or are you just complaining because he is taking up space.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 03:26:36 PMYes he is. Do you know what his role is going to be? Or are you just complaining because he is taking up space.
I'm complaining because Shaka has continually failed to recognize his lack of abilities. And the counter is "He'll be the 14th or 15th guy" for someone in his fourth year in the program. People defending him
on this board don't even think he's good.
Expanding rosters to 15 was a massive mistake and causes a lot of agita for message board users
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 03:30:54 PMI'm complaining because Shaka has continually failed to recognize his lack of abilities.
HE CUT HIS MINUTES LAST SEASON!!!
HE JUST RECRUITED A TRANSFER POST PLAYER!!!
My Lord...too many of y'all are focused on the first part of last season instead of everything that happened since then.
Caedin and Josh are at MU because they want to be. Their decision. Zaide, Tre, and Sean made the decision to leave. Their decision.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 03:00:15 PMThat's a hypothetical not really based on anything substantive.
MU has one open scholarship. They have to decide whether to try to pursue someone in the portal or bank it. The decision to keep both Hamilton and Clark limits that decision to an either/or. That isn't a hypothetical. If Shaka keeps both it means he believes it's worth the cost and not that there is no cost.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 03:30:54 PMI'm complaining because Shaka has continually failed to recognize his lack of abilities. And the counter is "He'll be the 14th or 15th guy" for someone in his fourth year in the program. People defending him on this board don't even think he's good.
Think of him as a good program guy who is 14th or 15th man on rosters that used to have walk ons in that role.
Much more important things to spend your time obsessing about
https://x.com/joetipton/status/2046687791308783865?s=61
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2026, 03:38:50 PMhttps://x.com/joetipton/status/2046687791308783865?s=61
Makes sense. Couldn't get it done academically at Madison so had to step a level down there.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 03:35:22 PMHE CUT HIS MINUTES LAST SEASON!!!
HE JUST RECRUITED A TRANSFER POST PLAYER!!!
My Lord...too many of y'all are focused on the first part of last season instead of everything that happened since then.
ROTATIONS TIGHTEN AT THE END OF THE YEAR!!!
WE JUST LOST A 6'11 PLAYER!!
HE'S STILL HERE!!!!!!!!
And I'm actually focused on the last two seasons.
So now that we've determined Fru & Sheek are bench and bit players with Caedin & Josh playing 30mpg then I wonder why they came here at all.
Predicting Caedin pulls a Sean Jones and stays with the team this year, plays very little (< 7 min/game), gets his MU degree (I'm under the impression Sean did graduate), and transfers out next year. We fill his spot next year with another 1 yr senior rental post player.
Just throwing crap at the wall. We'll see if it stuck this time next year. This mind reading/ speculating stuff if fun... and very Scoopy.
Quote from: noblewarrior on April 21, 2026, 03:44:25 PMPredicting Caedin pulls a Sean Jones and stays with the team this year, plays very little (< 7 min/game), gets his MU degree (I'm under the impression Sean did graduate), and transfers out next year. We fill his spot next year with another 1 yr senior rental post player.
Just throwing crap at the wall. We'll see if it stuck this time next year. This mind reading/ speculating stuff if fun... and very Scoopy.
Your hypothesis is the most sensible guess or it could be Shaka doesn't care about winning. I'll probably go with that
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 03:41:41 PMROTATIONS TIGHTEN AT THE END OF THE YEAR!!!
That's not why his minutes were cut. He wasn't getting the job done. Did you watch the games?
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 03:41:41 PMWE JUST LOST A 6'11 PLAYER!!
Fru plays nothing like Gold. Completely different player.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 03:41:41 PMHE'S STILL HERE!!!!!!!!
And? As I said earlier, you have no idea what his role is going to be.
So congrats...you went 0 for 3.
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2026, 03:38:50 PMhttps://x.com/joetipton/status/2046687791308783865?s=61
Good for Blackwell. Wasn't going to see the floor at UW-Madison and he can go to a place that won't require rigorous academic requirements like Agricultural Journalism.
He should be use to a home whistle, too.
Quote from: noblewarrior on April 21, 2026, 03:44:25 PMPredicting Caedin pulls a Sean Jones and stays with the team this year, plays very little (< 7 min/game), gets his MU degree (I'm under the impression Sean did graduate), and transfers out next year. We fill his spot next year with another 1 yr senior rental post player.
Just throwing crap at the wall. We'll see if it stuck this time next year. This mind reading/ speculating stuff if fun... and very Scoopy.
This is correct.
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2026, 03:38:19 PMThink of him as a good program guy who is 14th or 15th man on rosters that used to have walk ons in that role.
Much more important things to spend your time obsessing about
I'm certainly not obsessed about it, but walk ons are affectionately known as human victory cigars. Sometimes in the rare case blowout loss mop-up minutes.
Despite all the downplaying of their playing time, that certainly wasn't the roll for Hamilton (even at the end of the year), and not really for Clark either (although, it was closer).
Do I project that next year? No. But I still think Hamilton could be first off the bench to replace Fru, which, if true, is sorta a problem.
Anyhow, Shaka has done well to replace 2 who left. I'd still prefer a little more experienced talent on the roster, but I don't think he opened up enough spots to achieve that.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 03:48:32 PMThat's not why his minutes were cut. He wasn't getting the job done. Did you watch the games?
Fru plays nothing like Gold. Completely different player.
And? As I said earlier, you have no idea what his role is going to be.
So congrats...you went 0 for 3.
His minutes got cut the year before too. From very little to none. This past year his minutes went from starter minutes to coming off the bench minutes.
Gold's minutes need to be replaced that he spent out of position at center. Do you not know simple math?
And I'm relying on a pattern, you're relying on...
So 3 for 3 by me. Nice.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 03:11:17 PM9 minutes is certainly not nothing.
And now that Fru and Sheek are on the roster you expect that to continue why?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 21, 2026, 11:56:05 AMThere is a cost to keeping both Hamilton and Clark.
I'm ok with the cost (e.g. missing out on one of the 4 Top 50 recruits we are after who would likely only commit here in a scenario where they would reclassify this summer). Shaka committed to these guys and they should have the opportunity to graduate from MU. Caedin won the academic award at the banquet, so the degree at least means something to him. Going forward though, I would prefer these commitments are to guys who at least have one other D1 offer. Preferably one other high major offer, but that is probably asking too much.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 03:53:35 PMHis minutes got cut the year before too. From very little to none. This past year his minutes went from starter minutes to coming off the bench minutes.
Gold's minutes need to be replaced that he spent out of position at center. Do you not know simple math?
And I'm relying on a pattern, you're relying on...
So 3 for 3 by me. Nice.
They have Sheek, you know.
Quote from: tower912 on April 21, 2026, 03:36:44 PMCaedin and Josh are at MU because they wants to be. Their decision. Zaide, Tre, and Sean made the decision to leave. Their decision.
It's not that black and white.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2026, 03:56:23 PMThey have Sheek, you know.
Who hasn't played a minute of D-1 ball.
Look, I'm not saying Hamilton is necessarily going to be playing meaningful minutes by the end of the season. But if he's playing non garbage time minutes against Michigan or Missouri in November, that's a problem.
https://gomarquette.com/news/2026/4/21/mens-basketball-mubb-signs-transfers-sananda-fru-nolan-minessale
Quote from: Markusquette on April 21, 2026, 04:01:34 PMhttps://gomarquette.com/news/2026/4/21/mens-basketball-mubb-signs-transfers-sananda-fru-nolan-minessale
It's not explicitly stated, but that seems to be the conclusion of Shaka's portaling this year.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 21, 2026, 03:50:25 PMI'm certainly not obsessed about it, but walk ons are affectionately known as human victory cigars. Sometimes in the rare case blowout loss mop-up minutes.
Despite all the downplaying of their playing time, that certainly wasn't the roll for Hamilton (even at the end of the year), and not really for Clark either (although, it was closer).
Do I project that next year? No. But I still think Hamilton could be first off the bench to replace Fru, which, if true, is sorta a problem.
Anyhow, Shaka has done well to replace 2 who left. I'd still prefer a little more experienced talent on the roster, but I don't think he opened up enough spots to achieve that.
A lot will have to go wrong for Hamilton to be the first off the bench for Fru.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 21, 2026, 04:03:27 PMIt's not explicitly stated, but that seems to be the conclusion of Shaka's portaling this year.
Was kind of wondering the same. If another guy was lined up then maybe they wait for the official announcement
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 21, 2026, 03:37:35 PMMU has one open scholarship. They have to decide whether to try to pursue someone in the portal or bank it. The decision to keep both Hamilton and Clark limits that decision to an either/or. That isn't a hypothetical. If Shaka keeps both it means he believes it's worth the cost and not that there is no cost.
Unless a reclass is an actual possibility it's a hypothetical.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 04:04:15 PMA lot will have to go wrong for Hamilton to be the first off the bench for Fru.
You mean like Pearson not being ready? Am I missing anyone else on the depth chart?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 21, 2026, 04:06:48 PMYou mean like Pearson not being ready? Am I missing anyone else on the depth chart?
If Pearson isn't ready, then it's an issue. I don't expect massive minutes but I do expect him to be part of the rotation next season.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 21, 2026, 04:06:48 PMYou mean like Pearson not being ready? Am I missing anyone else on the depth chart?
Not only Sheek, but you could move Royce over to the post and go with Owens, Minessale, NJ and Stevens. Or Phillips...or one of the freshmen, etc.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 04:11:16 PMNot only Sheek, but you could move Royce over to the post and go with Owens, Minessale, NJ and Stevens. Or Phillips...or one of the freshmen, etc.
Sure, if / when we go small. I guess I'm thinking true center options.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2026, 04:11:10 PMIf Pearson isn't ready, then it's an issue. I don't expect massive minutes but I do expect him to be part of the rotation next season.
Agreed!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 21, 2026, 04:06:48 PMYou mean like Pearson not being ready? Am I missing anyone else on the depth chart?
I have very little worry that Pearson will not be ready. I also think with another offseason of adding strength, Royce could play spot minutes at the 5 in a small lineup.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 21, 2026, 04:14:44 PMSure, if / when we go small. I guess I'm thinking true center options.
Agreed!
If Sheek is not ready to contribute much then MU is still not in great shape up front. I'm not counting on anything from Hamilton and little improvement from Clark. Prefer to not have a small ball lineup with RP at the 5 but maybe it has to happen sometimes.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 04:15:20 PMI have very little worry that Pearson will not be ready. I also think with another offseason of adding strength, Royce could play spot minutes at the 5 in a small lineup.
Given the descriptions of Pearson's game entering school, I think he's sort of what they're looking for as a bench guy at this moment. Shot blocker, rebounder, decent passer.
I think he'll be raw offensively and get a lot of his points on lobs and putbacks.
I'm ok trading the offensive rawness as long as he can defend some.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 04:15:20 PMI have very little worry that Pearson will not be ready. I also think with another offseason of adding strength, Royce could play spot minutes at the 5 in a small lineup.
Do you have any insight on his development over the last year? Obviously it's not a good sign if he isn't quite a bit better than Hamilton/Clark, but just curious what you're basing that confidence off of. I haven't seen or heard much of his game and progress and how he slots in. Does he have some skills in the paint or a shooting touch? More of another rim running shot blocker?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 04:15:20 PMI have very little worry that Pearson will not be ready. I also think with another offseason of adding strength, Royce could play spot minutes at the 5 in a small lineup.
OK, semantics then. I just don't think Pearson not being ready, or an unexpected injury counts as a *lot* going wrong.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 03:54:13 PMAnd now that Fru and Sheek are on the roster you expect that to continue why?
I'm not saying 9 mpg. I'm saying if he comes in as a part of the regular "planned" rotation within the first 8 mins of every game, that's insane.
The staff made insane choices last year and may very well again this coming year. It's effd up.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 21, 2026, 04:03:27 PMIt's not explicitly stated, but that seems to be the conclusion of Shaka's portaling this year.
I didn't read that at all. #NeverStopRecruiting
Evan Miya thinks highly of Marquette's portal haul.
https://x.com/i/status/2046691557538238810
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 04:36:31 PMThe staff made insane choices last year and may very well again this coming year. It's effd up.
Bruh......we know.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 21, 2026, 05:23:43 PMBruh......we know.
Don't even get me started on John Dawson not playing over Derrick Wilson.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 04:06:22 PMUnless a reclass is an actual possibility it's a hypothetical.
The decision to eliminate the option of taking another player from the portal or eliminate keeping the option of taking a reclassification in order to keep the current roster intact isn't a hypothetical. In fact, MU appears to have already concluded its dealings in the portal, so MU is choosing Hamilton and Clark over other players it could land in the portal. That's a cost regardless of whether they ride the bench. Shaka has determined that it's worth the cost. Just to be clear, I'm happy with what Shaka has done in the portal. I just don't get the argument that having Hamilton and Clark on the roster is a free exercise.
https://x.com/travisbranham_/status/2046723072082776135?s=61
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 21, 2026, 05:46:22 PMThe decision to eliminate the option of taking another player from the portal or eliminate keeping the option of taking a reclassification in order to keep the current roster intact isn't a hypothetical. In fact, MU appears to have already concluded its dealings in the portal, so MU is choosing Hamilton and Clark over other players it could land in the portal. That's a cost regardless of whether they ride the bench. Shaka has determined that it's worth the cost. Just to be clear, I'm happy with what Shaka has done in the portal. I just don't get the argument that having Hamilton and Clark on the roster is a free exercise.
I don't know about "a free exercise." It's simply not a big deal IMHO.
Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2026, 06:04:14 PMI don't know about "a free exercise." It's simply not a big deal IMHO.
And I hope you're right.
Man people out here calling for Caedin's head like it's Nuremberg. They have a highly regarded prospect in Sheek (projected to be MU's starting center at some point) and one of the better transfers in the class at the position. I highly doubt he's gonna get much playing time unless he truly earns it with results. Just consider him a walk-on and get over it.
Fru should be highly productive at both ends of the court and Sheek should play better than most freshmen. Royce will continue to be solid and might even get better. Clark is 7'1 so maybe that'll be helpful at some point?
I'm not saying we're gonna have 2026 Michigan's frontcourt, but it'll sure as hell be better than the ones we had the last 2 seasons
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 21, 2026, 06:30:17 PMMan people out here calling for Caedin's head like it's Nuremberg. They have a highly regarded prospect in Sheek (projected to be MU's starting center at some point) and one of the better transfers in the class at the position. I highly doubt he's gonna get much playing time unless he truly earns it with results. Just consider him a walk-on and get over it.
Fru should be highly productive at both ends of the court and Sheek should play better than most freshmen. Royce will continue to be solid and might even get better. Clark is 7'1 so maybe that'll be helpful at some point?
I'm not saying we're gonna have 2026 Michigan's frontcourt, but it'll sure as hell be better than the ones we had the last 2 seasons
Version 3.0 of 18 will surely be much different than the previous two. Why? Because
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 21, 2026, 06:30:17 PMI highly doubt he's gonna get much playing time unless he truly earns it with results.
Did you miss this past season?
No matter how poorly Caedin did last season (and Josh to a degree), if they're on our roster, MU fans should be supportive. If they aren't good enough to play we'll know relatively quickly. If Shaka plays them and they're the same players as last year? Then, it is perfectly appropriate to voice extreme displeasure/tier 1 wrath however Scoopers see fit. Well, within reason. :)
Quote from: panda on April 21, 2026, 06:44:24 PMVersion 3.0 of 18 will surely be much different than the previous two. Why? Because
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 06:46:37 PMDid you miss this past season?
Did either of you even read the post you're quoting?
It's to the point that I'm hoping Shaka starts Caedin game 1 next year. Some people's heads would explode and it'd be hilarious.
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2026, 05:53:03 PMhttps://x.com/travisbranham_/status/2046723072082776135?s=61
Damn. We're still fine though. :)
Quote from: MuMark on April 21, 2026, 05:53:03 PMhttps://x.com/travisbranham_/status/2046723072082776135?s=61
Am disappointed we did not add Evans.
Not sure if it is of any comfort but a top donor told me the 2 players who impressed him before the season started last year were James and Sheek.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 21, 2026, 06:52:28 PMAm disappointed we did not add Evans.
Not sure if it is of any comfort but a top donor told me the 2 players who impressed him before the season started last year were James and Sheek.
All I heard during his recruitment was how good of a prospect Sheek is and how he should be able to contribute his freshman year. That was BEFORE he enrolled early as a redshirt and spent a full year getting stronger + working on skills and getting acclimated to the system. I'm expecting strong minutes from him
I think last season made a lot of Marquette fans chronic worriers.
Alex Egbuonu and Sheek Pearson are going to be very good bench players.
4 star big.
Anybody think we need an experienced senior guard? Cant overvalue that level of experience!
https://x.com/creightakes/status/2046692751735972254?s=46 (https://x.com/creightakes/status/2046692751735972254?s=46)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2026, 02:30:55 PMTAMU also alluded to possibly holding for an international or G League player. Options galore for that spot outside the portal.
I would absolutely be in favor of either of those options. So long as we have one more player that can reasonably be expected to contribute this year.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 06:46:37 PMDid you miss this past season?
Did you miss that it's no longer this past season?
Quote from: JWags85 on April 21, 2026, 07:24:22 PMAnybody think we need an experienced senior guard? Cant overvalue that level of experience!
https://x.com/creightakes/status/2046692751735972254?s=46 (https://x.com/creightakes/status/2046692751735972254?s=46)
A senior guard yes, but maybe not a senior citizen.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2026, 07:09:40 PMI think last season made a lot of Marquette fans chronic worriers.
Alex Egbuonu and Sheek Pearson are going to be very good bench players.
Can Egbuonu handle the rock a little bit?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 21, 2026, 07:32:05 PMCan Egbuonu handle the rock a little bit?
I would not count on a 6'6 freshman SF handling the rock.
Blackwell officially a Dookie.
Probably didn't qualify academically for another year at Weasel U.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2026, 07:09:40 PMI think last season made a lot of Marquette fans chronic worriers.
Alex Egbuonu and Sheek Pearson are going to be very good bench players.
I have higher hopes for Sheek. Pretty confident he can handle 10-15 minutes per game next year.
I think Alex is a year away. His defense needs a ton of work.
Don't doubt that but does he need more work than Turnstile Phillips did?
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 21, 2026, 07:34:28 PMI would not count on a 6'6 freshman SF handling the rock.
I'm not saying he should be CP3. I was just wondering if he can occasionally attack off the dribble.
https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/2046760549795480005?s=46&t=LCzMRL3ptlzrT-YJdOEoUg
Well, there's the open spot people wanted.
Caedin getting big minutes next year!
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 21, 2026, 08:20:22 PMhttps://x.com/jeffborzello/status/2046760549795480005?s=46&t=LCzMRL3ptlzrT-YJdOEoUg
Well, there's the open spot people wanted.
WTF????
Great call redshirting him last year.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 21, 2026, 08:20:22 PMhttps://x.com/jeffborzello/status/2046760549795480005?s=46&t=LCzMRL3ptlzrT-YJdOEoUg
Well, there's the open spot people wanted.
Caedin getting big minutes next year!
Seriously?
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18
Welp, this will test my optimism. That's beyond disappointing. I actually got a little sick to my stomach when I read that.
This is a disaster. Beyond upsetting if true.
We are now a transfer school
Get dudes that can play.
No more 17 year olds
There's an issue that wasn't addressed. Many of you were/are OK with it. This is what you caused! Shame!!
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 08:31:24 PMThere's an issue that wasn't addressed. Many of you were/are OK with it. This is what you caused! Shame!!
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Who caused an issue? What issue? What the F just happened??? Smh.
Without rule changes, redshirting players should never happen going forward.
No point in spending resources on a player who might never play a minute for your program.
Have to recruit 15 players every year. I would hate to be a coach this day and age.
This feels like a turning point for Shaka and the program. How do they respond?
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 21, 2026, 08:33:23 PMThis feels like a very big turning point for Shaka and the program. How do they respond?
Get Momcilovic???
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 21, 2026, 08:33:23 PMThis feels like a turning point for Shaka and the program. How do they respond?
He already had a chance. Screwed up big time.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 08:34:18 PMHe already had a chance. Screwed up big time.
What are you talking about?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 21, 2026, 08:35:19 PMWhat are you talking about?
He's saying that if we were gonna be sh1tty last season anyway, we shoulda been sh1tty with Sheek on the floor instead of others.
With what just happened, it's a reasonable take.
Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2026, 08:37:09 PMHe's saying that if we were gonna be sh1tty last season anyway, we shoulda been sh1tty with Sheek on the floor instead of others.
With what just happened, it's a reasonable take.
I suppose.
Boy am I upset right now.
Quote from: Big Papi on April 21, 2026, 08:33:18 PMWithout rule changes, redshirting players should never happen going forward.
No point in spending resources on a player who might never play a minute for your program.
Have to recruit 15 players every year. I would hate to be a coach this day and age.
Should never have happened last year. No idea why people were defending it. Redshirting 3 players on last year's team was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen.
Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2026, 08:37:09 PMHe's saying that if we were gonna be sh1tty last season anyway, we shoulda been sh1tty with Sheek on the floor instead of others.
With what just happened, it's a reasonable take.
More so about others currently on the roster.
We need a bona fide stud to clean up this mess. PRONTO.
Oooof. Im sure scoop will be reasonable on this.
How much money does mu have left to spend, because a backup big just became critical.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 21, 2026, 08:42:17 PMHow much money does mu have left to spend, because a backup big just became critical.
We're people thinking 18 year old Sheek was our backup big?
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 21, 2026, 08:20:22 PMhttps://x.com/jeffborzello/status/2046760549795480005?s=46&t=LCzMRL3ptlzrT-YJdOEoUg
Well, there's the open spot people wanted.
Caedin getting big minutes next year!
Well damn...
I think I'm higher on Sheek than most. Looks like another coach was as well. This one hurts.
Well, that's a bummer about Sheek.
But when you land recruits with the promise of not recruiting over them in the portal, and then recruit over them in the portal, this kind of thing happens.
Sheek would not leave knowing he was going to be the number 1 option as a freshman. I think there is more to this and maybe Shaka has got a 5 he likes in the portal. Otherwise I can't see sheek leaving.
Maybe this is a blessing in disguise assuming Shaka goes to the Portal and picks up another 5.
Overall very disappointing though.
Man, shoothoops is never going to let us hear the end of this.
It's hard for me to believe that this has anything to do with redshirting last year if that was the plan when he came in.
If he's upset that they brought in somebody that might be taking some minutes from him that's going to be a problem for every young player in this environment
Did he think he was going to play 35 minutes a game this year?
Again - lunacy why some folks here believed our roster was good with 2 or maybe 3 additions.
We lose sheek to transfer but it very well could've been an early season injury and the lack of depth rears its ugly head.
But I'm glad we have 18 and Hamilton still on the roster for the good vibes.
Quote from: panda on April 21, 2026, 08:51:50 PMAgain - lunacy why some folks here believed our roster was good with 2 or maybe 3 additions.
We lose sheek to transfer but it very well could've been an early season injury and the lack of depth rears its ugly head.
But I'm glad we have 18 and Hamilton still on the roster for the good vibes.
Maybe we land another baller?
That's not ideal
Sheek may have been thinking exactly what I have been talking about - Shaka's weird thing with 18. Prob waited til the end to see if 18 would leave. Now, needed to notify and did bc 18 don't.
Wow! That's a big loss. No front line depth.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 21, 2026, 08:57:06 PMWow! That's a big loss. No front line depth.
Oh, don't worry. Shaka has an answer and he's excited by it!!
Well this f'n blows.
Quote from: amgine_MU on April 21, 2026, 08:49:22 PMSheek would not leave knowing he was going to be the number 1 option as a freshman. I think there is more to this and maybe Shaka has got a 5 he likes in the portal. Otherwise I can't see sheek leaving.
Maybe this is a blessing in disguise assuming Shaka goes to the Portal and picks up another 5.
Overall very disappointing though.
I think it is quite likely he was drawn in by a $$$ amount Marquette wasn't willing to meet for a redshirt Freshman.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2026, 08:59:05 PMI think it is quite likely he was drawn in by a $$$ amount Marquette wasn't willing to meet for a redshirt Freshman.
You sign with a school, not for money.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2026, 08:59:05 PMI think it is quite likely he was drawn in by a $$$ amount Marquette wasn't willing to meet for a redshirt Freshman.
No. He knew shaka would be giving mins to a junior who is a lesser player than him.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 08:55:07 PMSheek may have been thinking exactly what I have been talking about - Shaka's weird thing with 18. Prob waited til the end to see if 18 would leave. Now, needed to notify and did bc 18 don't.
Come on. He was recruited over, and that pissed him off.
Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2026, 09:01:22 PMCome on. He was recruited over, and that pissed him off.
Or there is a bigger bag elsewhere. Could be lots of reasons. But I'm sure it's because he's afraid to compete with the returning players for time because he thinks the coach won't play him.
Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2026, 09:01:22 PMCome on. He was recruited over, and that pissed him off.
He is 18 years old. Go play at a low major or a high major with a 12-20 record.
Quote from: MU82 on April 21, 2026, 09:01:22 PMCome on. He was recruited over, and that pissed him off.
False! Was waiting for 18 to leave. Didn't happen, so he's out.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 08:55:07 PMSheek may have been thinking exactly what I have been talking about - Shaka's weird thing with 18. Prob waited til the end to see if 18 would leave. Now, needed to notify and did bc 18 don't.
So he would have stayed if Shaka got rid of Caedin, but would have no issue if we added another big in the portal with Fru? This doesn't make any sense to me.
I'm guessing, 100% guess, that Sheek moving on hasn't caught Shaka off guard. I'm sure there are down low players being communicated with about transferring in. Quite frankly, I'd rather have a front court guy, even from a mid-major, that has a couple of D-1 seasons on his Nike's, than the unknown that Sheek presented. Skinny, 18 yrs old against bad ass front lines like a Michigan? No thanks. But it's a damn unsettling thought if Hamilton (whom I do not consider even mid major talent from what I've seen to this point) and Clark as depth behind Fru. Also interesting that we've now had 4 guys transfer out. However...James, Stevens, Parham, Fru will be solid. Each of those guys just might be All Big East. Phillips, Minessale (if he's in fact signed) and Owens could each be very good. Add another 'big' via the portal and Sheek transferring out might be a blessing in disguise. Lots of guys out there. Next couple of weeks should be interesting.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2026, 09:03:19 PMOr there is a bigger bag elsewhere. Could be lots of reasons. But I'm sure it's because he's afraid to compete with the returning players for time because he thinks the coach won't play him.
Well if he's concerned Caedin & Josh will play ahead of him, that's not exactly promising.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 21, 2026, 09:04:32 PMSo he would have stayed if Shaka got rid of Caedin, but would have no issue if we added another big in the portal with Fru? This doesn't make any sense to me.
Bingo. Lots of things don't make any sense to you.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 21, 2026, 09:05:50 PMWell if he's concerned Caedin & Josh will play ahead of him, that's not exactly promising.
For him. He came to Marquette for the school anyway, not playing time.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 09:06:16 PMBingo. Lots of things don't make any sense to you.
So let me get this straight: If we landed McKeever with Fru, and Caedin was gone, Sheek would have no interest in leaving?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 21, 2026, 09:04:32 PMSo he would have stayed if Shaka got rid of Caedin, but would have no issue if we added another big in the portal with Fru? This doesn't make any sense to me.
It's also 100% wrong. Josh and Caedin had nothing to do with Sheek leaving.
Money would be my guess. This is just bizarre to me.
Does this mean Evans is coming???
Edit. No. Just saw he committed to NC State.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 21, 2026, 09:08:57 PMIt's also 100% wrong. Josh and Caedin had nothing to do with Sheek leaving.
Well, there's plenty of time for Shaka to fill a spot with another baller as far as I'm concerned. Next man up.
This is college basketball now. Marquette is not immune, we are probably going to lose at least one guy we wanted to keep nearly every year. Hard to believe this has anything to do with redshirting last year or Fru committing. If hes half as a good as his top 50 rating hed play a ton next year, and with fru graduating in a year have a clear path to 3 years as the starter. My worthless speculation is he doesn't like MKE,doesnt get along with teammates well, or got a good offer by a poacher coach. In any case its real gut punch. I was high on the kid and was excited to see him and fru take over the frontcourt and mot see Hamilton anymore.
Quote from: panda on April 21, 2026, 08:51:50 PMAgain - lunacy why some folks here believed our roster was good with 2 or maybe 3 additions.
We lose sheek to transfer but it very well could've been an early season injury and the lack of depth rears its ugly head.
But I'm glad we have 18 and Hamilton still on the roster for the good vibes.
The lunacy is this system that essentially requires programs to build a whole new roster every year. For every player a team brings in there's going to be one or more who sees that new player as taking their minutes.
Why bother recuiting high school players when you can just go to Europe and get 23 year old professionals?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 09:11:22 PMMoney would be my guess. This is just bizarre to me.
Get use to it. This is the new world. More than likely to have one like this, if not more on a yearly basis.
Time for the staff to put on there big boy pants and get to work.
Wisblue and Johnny hit it on the head
I'm guessing a blue blood offered some cash and MU couldn't or wouldn't match it. So long RGV, it's been (mostly) good to know ya.
Lots of money. Good for Sheek I guess.
So I guess Caedin isn't the last man on the roster anymore. Hope Shaka replaces Sheek with someone who is behind Fru but ahead of him.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 09:11:22 PMMoney would be my guess. This is just bizarre to me.
Apparently there are downsides to keeping terrible players on the roster.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 21, 2026, 09:15:19 PMI'm guessing a blue blood offered some cash and MU couldn't or wouldn't match it. So long RGV, it's been (mostly) good to know ya.
My guess is not a blue blood, but SLU. Shaka got played.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 09:24:09 PMMy guess is not a blue blood, but SLU. Shaka got played.
And so did you.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 09:00:12 PMNo. He knew shaka would be giving mins to a junior who is a lesser player than him.
No
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 09:27:46 PMAnd so did you.
??? WTF are you talking about?
This had nothing to do with 18. This had to do with a better offer.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 09:23:12 PMApparently there are downsides to keeping terrible players on the roster.
It's adorable you think he left because Hamilton and Clark are on the roster.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 09:30:23 PM??? WTF are you talking about?
This had nothing to do with 18. This had to do with a better offer.
Ahh, so you're claiming whenever Sheek lands tampered? ok bud
Shaka made a choice
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 09:30:23 PM??? WTF are you talking about?
CAPS LOCK THINGS ABOUT HOW IT'S OKAY CAEDIN IS STILL ON THE TEAM!!!
He's now our backup center who is going to get minutes. Feeling great about that, champ?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 09:32:09 PMIt's adorable you think he left because Hamilton and Clark are on the roster.
I don't think he left because of that at all. But...here we are, at the place you guys all said we wouldn't be! Adorable indeed.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 09:32:20 PMAhh, so you're claiming whenever Sheek lands tampered? ok bud
Shaka made a choice
Oh I am about 100% sure this was about "tampering" and back channel communications.
It's cute that you think otherwise.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 09:34:05 PMCAPS LOCK THINGS ABOUT HOW IT'S OKAY CAEDIN IS STILL ON THE TEAM!!!
He's now our backup center who is going to get minutes. Feeling great about that, champ?
I don't think he left because of that at all. But...here we are, at the place you guys all said we wouldn't be! Adorable indeed.
We have time to land another big SOS.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 09:32:20 PMAhh, so you're claiming whenever Sheek lands tampered? ok bud
Shaka made a choice
He told Sheek he wouldn't get minutes next year and that's why he transferred is much more believable than he's getting a bigger bag.
I'll roll with that.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 09:34:05 PMCAPS LOCK THINGS ABOUT HOW IT'S OKAY CAEDIN IS STILL ON THE TEAM!!!
He's now our backup center who is going to get minutes. Feeling great about that, champ?
I don't think he left because of that at all. But...here we are, at the place you guys all said we wouldn't be! Adorable indeed.
So you and others think Sheek left because Caedin is on the team?
Haha.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 09:34:05 PMCAPS LOCK THINGS ABOUT HOW IT'S OKAY CAEDIN IS STILL ON THE TEAM!!!
He's now our backup center who is going to get minutes. Feeling great about that, champ?
I don't think he left because of that at all. But...here we are, at the place you guys all said we wouldn't be! Adorable indeed.
With the portal closing tonight, we only have a few hours to add to the roster. Crunch time.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 09:34:05 PMCAPS LOCK THINGS ABOUT HOW IT'S OKAY CAEDIN IS STILL ON THE TEAM!!!
He's now our backup center who is going to get minutes. Feeling great about that, champ?
If you think Sheek left because of Caedin, you are a f*cking moron. An absolute dumba$$, f*cking moron.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 21, 2026, 09:35:32 PMWe have time to land another big SOS.
Agreed, Muggsy. Just saying he needs to be much better than Caedin. Because everyone who defends him knows he's end of the bench talent. This thread is a lot of 'We can keep Caedin because we got Sheek' Welp, no longer.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 09:39:05 PMAgreed, Muggsy. Just saying he needs to be much better than Caedin. Because everyone who defends him knows he's end of the bench talent. This thread is a lot of 'We can keep Caedin because we got Sheek' Welp, no longer.
Honestly try being less of an idiot.
I can't imagine this surprised the coaches. Pure free agency. MU: why would we pay you more when you can't beat out Clark/Hamilton and you haven't proved a thing? Player: Team Z will pay me more $ based on my length and HS resume. Good luck on Team Z. He must not have been into RGV.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 09:39:05 PMAgreed, Muggsy. Just saying he needs to be much better than Caedin. Because everyone who defends him knows he's end of the bench talent. This thread is a lot of 'We can keep Caedin because we got Sheek' Welp, no longer.
No one has defended Caedin. Not sure where you get this sh*t from.
So do we do the Illinois route and get into shady deals with Eastern European agents? Quickly drop a bag to a 17yr old saying graduate early and get paid! Or ask Caedin to do 20k hook shots this summer?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 09:43:00 PMNo one has defended Caedin. Not sure where you get this sh*t from.
If you haven't wished him ill will and yelled about him being on the roster, you've defended him. Looking at you, VBMG
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=67791.0
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2026, 09:44:16 PMIf you haven't wished him ill will and yelled about him being on the roster, you've defended him. Looking at you, VBMG
Guilty as charged. Like Shaka, I don't care about winning.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 21, 2026, 09:12:30 PMThis is college basketball now. Marquette is not immune, we are probably going to lose at least one guy we wanted to keep nearly every year. Hard to believe this has anything to do with redshirting last year or Fru committing. If hes half as a good as his top 50 rating hed play a ton next year, and with fru graduating in a year have a clear path to 3 years as the starter. My worthless speculation is he doesn't like MKE,doesnt get along with teammates well, or got a good offer by a poacher coach. In any case its real gut punch. I was high on the kid and was excited to see him and fru take over the frontcourt and mot see Hamilton anymore.
He's from St Louis. How could he not like Milwaukee?
This is brutal
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 09:39:05 PMAgreed, Muggsy. Just saying he needs to be much better than Caedin. Because everyone who defends him knows he's end of the bench talent. This thread is a lot of 'We can keep Caedin because we got Sheek' Welp, no longer.
I'm certainly not going to defend Caedin's play this past season. It was beyond abysmal, no doubt about it. That said, I believe Shaka will find a serviceable big as a back-up. In a perfect world Caedin will come back vastly improved as well, but of course that's extreme wishful thinking. :(
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 09:32:09 PMIt's adorable you think he left because Hamilton and Clark are on the roster.
maybe Shaka had a conversation w/Sheek that Hamilton and Clark are ahead of him. Sheek said f-that, I'm gone. I mean, who knows...did Sheek not work hard and the coaches called him out on that? Sheek not like school? Wants to be closer to home?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 09:38:54 PMIf you think Sheek left because of Caedin, you are a f*cking moron. An absolute dumba$$, f*cking moron.
I'm not going to quote all of you, but I absolutely do not think he left because of Caedin. I can assure you that. Opportunities arise, and he took one. Opportunities arise. We've all been there.
But all of you told me to not worry because we got Sheek. Well, he's gone. So now we're stuck with Caedin. So you're the effing moron, Sultan. You won't own up to it, but you should.
Lame but such is the price you pay when you sign over guys. Gotta go find a replacement now.
Im kind of amazed a 17 year old 4 star redshirt frosh who never played a second of CB even showed up on any decent coaches radar at this point. Just seems like hed be a totally lost in the crowd type guy at the moment. What a seemingly obscure potentially great find.
Quote from: Viper on April 21, 2026, 09:47:10 PMmaybe Shaka had a conversation w/Sheek that Hamilton and Clark are ahead of him. Sheek said f-that, I'm gone. I mean, who knows...did Sheek not work hard and the coaches called him out on that? Sheek not like school? Wants to be closer to home?
I don't see your first sentence as even a remote possibility.
The most likely reason is money. I guess I foolishly didn't think another program would drop a bag for a redshirt freshman, especially because he had a clear path to minutes this season and a starting role the next.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 09:48:53 PMI'm not going to quote all of you, but I absolutely do not think he left because of Caedin. I can assure you that. Opportunities arise, and he took one. Opportunities arise. We've all been there.
But all of you told me to not worry because we got Sheek. Well, he's gone. So now we're stuck with Caedin. So you're the effing moron, Sultan. You won't own up to it, but you should.
Nope. You are the one who's wrong. Yet again.
I've moved on.
Now, who do you think we should target moving forward?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 21, 2026, 09:43:43 PMSo do we do the Illinois route and get into shady deals with Eastern European agents? Quickly drop a bag to a 17yr old saying graduate early and get paid! Or ask Caedin to do 20k hook shots this summer?
More likely they dip back into the portal and bring aboard another young big.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2026, 09:53:23 PMMore likely they dip back into the portal and bring aboard another young big.
Might cause Caedin or Josh to transfer if they get recruited over though.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 21, 2026, 09:54:58 PMMight cause Caedin or Josh to transfer if they get recruited over though.
I hope not even though Caedin caused Sheek to transfer. I'd still start Caedin next year. He's got that dawg in him now knowing coach is 💯 behind him as the starter.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 09:51:31 PMI don't see your first sentence as even a remote possibility.
The most likely reason is money. I guess I foolishly didn't think another program would drop a bag for a redshirt freshman, especially because he had a clear path to minutes this season and a starting role the next.
maybe its $. Maybe Sheek isn't down with the coaches? Vice versa? Oh well, cast a line and troll slow. Somethin' will hit.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 09:41:06 PMHonestly try being less of an idiot.
Frankly, a poor argument. I'm certainly not the first person who has had to deal with you arrogance on this board. Caedin is now the backup center. Take the L, brother.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 21, 2026, 09:52:52 PMI've moved on.
Now, who do you think we should target moving forward?
I'm guessing the roster for next year is set.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 10:00:02 PMFrankly, a poor argument. I'm certainly not the first person who has had to deal with you arrogance on this board. Caedin is now the backup center. Take the L, brother.
And if Caedin was kicked off the team like you want, then Clark is your backup center now. So what's your point? Caedin being on the roster is not why our backup center is in a bad spot. It would be no better with him off the roster.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 09:52:10 PMNope. You are the one who's wrong. Yet again.
Please explain.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 09:24:09 PMMy guess is not a blue blood, but SLU. Shaka got played.
That's a good guess. Better role and money. Paying for Sheek likely throws this roster out of whack and may have had other side effects (e.g not being able to land Fru, Minessale, or retain a different existing player). It was the right decision for this season to add those 2 transfers and wouldn't trade either one for Sheek (for next season at least).
F*CK. Just reading all of this now. Sheek was the player I was most looking forward to seeing on the court next year... 😭
I remember him saying something along the lines of how the culture is what drew him to Marquette, so I'm surprised he's leaving. Really thought he'd be a program/Shaka guy.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2026, 10:02:22 PMAnd if Caedin was kicked off the team like you want, then Clark is your backup center now. So what's your point? Caedin being on the roster is not why our backup center is in a bad spot. It would be no better with him off the roster.
Glad you're starting to get it. You, Vander, Sultan, 82, etc. all said it's fine, we got Sheek. Well, now he's gone. So now what? Maybe Shaka should've tried to improve those roster spots?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 21, 2026, 09:52:52 PMI've moved on.
Now, who do you think we should target moving forward?
I'm with Muggsy. Nobody here knows the story. Could be personal reasons, sick parent, who knows. Two scholarships open. Let's get after it and fill it. Who's out there that we want? A reclass like Davis? A bigger name? We definitely must be behind the 8-ball on this one given the confirmed MU announcement on Nolan and Sananda. I'm all over the place right now but gotta move on.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 21, 2026, 10:07:27 PMF*CK. Just reading all of this now. Sheek was the player I was most looking forward to seeing on the court next year... 😭
I remember him saying something along the lines of how the culture is what drew him to Marquette, so I'm surprised he's leaving. Really thought he'd be a program/Shaka guy.
I mean the culture might be a tad different after the transfers in/out
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 10:08:05 PMGlad you're starting to get it. You, Vander, Sultan, 82, etc. all said it's fine, we got Sheek. Well, now he's gone. So now what? Maybe Shaka should've tried to improve those roster spots?
He did improve the roster. We still had an open roster spot. Caedin being on the roster is not the issue. Why is this hard for you to understand?
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 10:08:05 PMGlad you're starting to get it. You, Vander, Sultan, 82, etc. all said it's fine, we got Sheek. Well, now he's gone. So now what? Maybe Shaka should've tried to improve those roster spots?
You really don't see the flaw in your logic, huh.
Disappointing for sure, but not catastrophic. I do hope Shaka can enter the portal again to secure another big man. We'd be a Fru injury away from things going down the sh1tter
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 10:08:05 PMGlad you're starting to get it. You, Vander, Sultan, 82, etc. all said it's fine, we got Sheek. Well, now he's gone. So now what? Maybe Shaka should've tried to improve those roster spots?
I am confused, are you asserting players are lining up to be the backup to the backup center? Let alone the backup to the backup to the backup? Both just in case the guy we had counted on to split the minutes at center with a spell at PF would leave? I don't think the portal is full of those guys...
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 10:11:19 PMYou really don't see the flaw in your logic, huh.
Nope. He doesn't.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 21, 2026, 10:12:41 PMI am confused, are you asserting players are lining up to be the backup to the backup center? Let alone the backup to the backup to the backup? Both just in case the guy we had counted on to split the minutes at center with a spell at PF would leave? I don't think the portal is full of those guys...
Bingo
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 10:11:19 PMYou really don't see the flaw in your logic, huh.
You and Sultan really don't want to explain it, because you have to defend Hamilton. He is now the backup center that you all said was Sheek's spot. "14th or 15th on the roster". You guys could just say you respect Shaka but he's way off on this.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 21, 2026, 10:12:41 PMI am confused, are you asserting players are lining up to be the backup to the backup center? Let alone the backup to the backup to the backup? Both just in case the guy we had counted on to split the minutes at center with a spell at PF would leave? I don't think the portal is full of those guys...
They're not. So we got Caedin. One of the worst players in the Big East. But Shaka thinks he's the best defender on the team.
Quote from: Markusquette on April 21, 2026, 10:11:43 PMDisappointing for sure, but not catastrophic. I do hope Shaka can enter the portal again to secure another big man. We'd be a Fru injury away from things going down the sh1tter
We are no longer a Fru injury away from things going down the sh1tter. As of right now, with a healthy Fru, we would be relying on Hamilton/Clark for ~15-20 minutes a game (Fru averaged 22mins last season). No matter how you slice it that is an absolute disaster and cannot happen.
Another big pick up in the portal is a must.
I think some Scoopers are overly obsessed with Caedin and not just with regards to Sheek. I'm not happy about this development at all, but I don't think it's rational to believe his presence or spot on tbe roster has some sort of impact on perceptions of Shaka or MU culture. Furthermore, and I write this as someone who vehemently criticized Caedin all last season, I see no purpose in killing the kid 7 months before we lace it up again. If he sucks he won't play unless absolutely necessary. And again, I think we have plenty of time to find a replacement for Sheek.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 21, 2026, 10:27:14 PMI think some Scoopers are overly obsessed with Caedin and not just with regards to Sheek. I'm not happy about this development at all, but I don't think it's rational to believe his presence or spot on tbe roster has some sort of impact on perceptions of Shaka or MU culture. Furthermore, and I write this as someone who vehemwntly criticized Caedin all last season, I see no purpose in killingid 7 months before we lace it up again. If he sucks, he won't play unless absolutely necessary. And again, I think we have plenty of time to find a replacement for Sheek.
With the current roster makeup, he or Clark will HAVE to play, and not just 5-6 per game.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 21, 2026, 10:18:55 PMWe are no longer a Fru injury away from things going down the sh1tter. As of right now, with a healthy Fru, we would be relying on Hamilton/Clark for ~15-20 minutes a game (Fru averaged 22mins last season). No matter how you slice it that is an absolute disaster and cannot happen.
Another big pick up in the portal is a must.
I definitely want another big but that doesn't mean Caedin/Josh will now be playing 15-20 mins a game. Remember we can play R.P. at times at the 5. We also may have Freshmen that can contribute immediately, or go small with DO and Phillips. If we don't find a replacement for Sheek I still don't see 15+ mins for Caedin or Josh, unless they have improved dramatically.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 21, 2026, 08:44:29 PMWe're people thinking 18 year old Sheek was our backup big?
Were you thinking he wasn't?
This sucks. Sheek is good. I'm pretty bummed about this development
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 21, 2026, 10:33:14 PMI definitely want another big but that doesn't mean Caedin/Josh will now be playing 15-20 mins a game. Remember we can play R.P. at times at the 5. We also may have Freshmen that can contribute immediately, or go small with DO and Phillips. If we don't find a replacement for Sheek I still don't see 15+ mins for Caedin or Josh, unless they have improved dramatically.
Sounds like you're in the bargaining stage. Let's talk when you've reached acceptance. Another serviceable big man is a necessity, or we're in trouble.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 21, 2026, 08:59:05 PMI think it is quite likely he was drawn in by a $$$ amount Marquette wasn't willing to meet for a redshirt Freshman.
Such is the life on non rgb!
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 21, 2026, 10:40:50 PMSounds like you're in the bargaining stage. Let's talk when you've reached acceptance. A legitimate big man is a necessity, or were in trouble.
We could be in trouble, but we'd be in a lot more trouble if we lost one of our starters. And again, we may get more production than you think from our Frosh. I also think we will find another big.
Oh man.
Does he have to give back the redshirt money he was paid?
Or does his contribution in helping Josh, Ceadin, and Ben improve as the year went on justify the salary?
Is it just me or does it seem that the only thing that can make this news better is "18" joining him in the portal?
Ok fine I'll be nice.
All Shaka has to do is bring in Milan Momcilovic.
If not, let's find a big Serb or tall Greek or Spaniard, or something like that
Also, I was wrong about Marquette having Sanandas replacement already on the roster...
Don't redshirt players, wasted a years worth of resources on this kid
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2026, 09:53:23 PMMore likely they dip back into the portal and bring aboard another young big.
Hope so!
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2026, 10:10:10 PMHe did improve the roster. We still had an open roster spot. Caedin being on the roster is not the issue. Why is this hard for you to understand?
He replaced Ben Gold and Chase Ross. Solid, but not great players. Did he replace them with amazing players? This team went 12-20. Why is this so hard for you to understand?
oh man, sheek was a huge get and I was excited to see the frontline combinations we could have had. Ima disappoint!
If the theory is that Sheek got a better offer, then did carrying (read: paying) multiple players who won't play affect MU's ability to match?
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 21, 2026, 10:38:23 PMWere you thinking he wasn't?
He is fine. He'll be good in 2-3 years. Like most 18 year bigs. But those dudes ain't typically gonna play quickly. He might be 200-205 pounds.
Quote from: augoman on April 21, 2026, 11:05:23 PMoh man, sheek was a huge get and I was excited to see the frontline combinations we could have had. Ima disappoint!
He hasn't played a college game
Quote from: Pakuni on April 21, 2026, 11:07:34 PMIf the theory is that Sheek got a better offer, then did carrying (read: paying) multiple players who won't play affect MU's ability to match?
its possible i guess. ive heard people on here MU pay is based on class not just performance. Still..... hard to belive 18 is getting paid so much that it would prevent MU from paying a bit more to keep sheek. Whomever is dropping a bag to get sheek is taking quite a gamble.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 21, 2026, 11:19:34 PMits possible i guess. ive heard people on here MU pay is based on class not just performance. Still..... hard to belive 18 is getting paid so much that it would prevent MU from paying a bit more to keep sheek. Whomever is dropping a bag to get sheek is taking quite a gamble.
Not really. I believe he's the highest ranked recruit Shaka brought to MU and he's had a year of D-1 conditioning. My guess is he'll be a nice player for someone. For MU, he's just a recruiting miss.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 21, 2026, 11:35:06 PMNot really. I believe he's the highest ranked recruit Shaka brought to MU and he's had a year of D-1 conditioning. My guess is he'll be a nice player for someone. For MU, he's just a recruiting miss.
In a matter of hours tonight, Sheek went from a solid power-conference backup big man with major long-term upside to a risky gamble.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 12:02:58 AMIn a matter of hours tonight, Sheek went from a solid power-conference backup big man with major long-term upside to a risky gamble.
I'm speculating a team paid big money for a redshirt 18 year old who hasn't played a second of college basketball as if he's a proven stud. Tough to believe he transfered for slightly higher offer.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 21, 2026, 11:12:08 PMHe is fine. He'll be good in 2-3 years. Like most 18 year bigs. But those dudes ain't typically gonna play quickly. He might be 200-205 pounds.
Not much of an advertisement for RGV if, after a year in the program, a top 50 recruit is still an additional 2-3 years from being good.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 10:08:05 PMGlad you're starting to get it. You, Vander, Sultan, 82, etc. all said it's fine, we got Sheek. Well, now he's gone. So now what? Maybe Shaka should've tried to improve those roster spots?
Wut?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 21, 2026, 11:07:34 PMIf the theory is that Sheek got a better offer, then did carrying (read: paying) multiple players who won't play affect MU's ability to match?
No.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 21, 2026, 04:04:15 PMA lot will have to go wrong for Hamilton to be the first off the bench for Fru.
So, has a lot gone wrong yet?
Quote from: jfp61 on April 21, 2026, 08:44:29 PMWe're people thinking 18 year old Sheek was our backup big?
This...exactly. I mean, maybe Pearson would be the rare Freshman big to make an all-conference team. But more likely, no.
If we go back to the portal, I'd imagine we'd go for a big man with multiple years left, is comfortable coming off the bench, and isn't going to break the bank. Some possibilities I see:
Luke Bamgboye
Musa Sagnia
Ben Defty
Austin Maurer
Julius Halaifounua
Anton Bonke
Devin Williams
Chol Machot
Some more names might be announced in the next few days, but as of this moment, I think this would be the pool. A lot of teams are still looking for big men, so they will be at a premium and other teams may be able to promise starting minutes. Might have to get creative.
To give people an idea of the competition. Anton Bonke has visits set up with Michigan State and Kansas. His freshman year, he couldn't get off the bench for a bad Providence team. He was better with Charlotte last year...but he's towards the bottom of my list of available transfer bigs.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 22, 2026, 01:24:30 AMSo, has a lot gone wrong yet?
This...exactly. I mean, maybe Pearson would be the rare Freshman big to make an all-conference team. But more likely, no.
You can be a good backup big without making an all-conference team.
And it wasn't illogical to expect 10-15 quality minutes from a top 50-75 recruit who had already been in the program a year.
No one here remotely saw this coming.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 21, 2026, 10:02:22 PMAnd if Caedin was kicked off the team like you want, then Clark is your backup center now. So what's your point? Caedin being on the roster is not why our backup center is in a bad spot. It would be no better with him off the roster.
bs. We'd still have Sheek.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 21, 2026, 11:07:34 PMIf the theory is that Sheek got a better offer, then did carrying (read: paying) multiple players who won't play affect MU's ability to match?
Nope
Quote from: Johnny B on April 22, 2026, 12:06:17 AMI'm speculating a team paid big money for a redshirt 18 year old who hasn't played a second of college basketball as if he's a proven stud. Tough to believe he transfered for slightly higher offer.
No. He was worried about minutes next year bc others were staying, including the teacher's favorite.
A nice year this year - be it at a HM or MM - would help his $$$ in 2027-28. Worried about sitting while 18 plays, it becomes looking forward, not just 2026-27.
There's no illegal tampering monster $$$ waiting for him. He just saw what a couple of us saw as the disappointing reality.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 06:05:45 AMNo. He was worried about minutes next year bc others were staying, including the teacher's favorite.
A nice year this year - be it at a HM or MM - would help his $$$ in 2027-28. Worried about sitting while 18 plays, it becomes looking forward, not just 2026-27.
There's no illegal tampering monster $$$ waiting for him. He just saw what a couple of us saw as the disappointing reality.
Bingo. Coaches don't tamper because that would be breaking the rules and the NCAA doesn't allow it. Way too risky, imo.
I could see it as the season went along, Hamilton was getting more and more minutes each game. It's bleak city for a kid like Pearson knowing he'd be riding pine.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 12:12:48 AMNot much of an advertisement for RGV if, after a year in the program, a top 50 recruit is still an additional 2-3 years from being good.
Never was truly a top 50 recruit.
If we're being honest he was about the 170th best freshman the year he decided to come out. And bigs take longer to develop.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 21, 2026, 11:07:34 PMIf the theory is that Sheek got a better offer, then did carrying (read: paying) multiple players who won't play affect MU's ability to match?
This is like when Scoopers thought Sean and Tre wouldn't leave because they get paid too much.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 21, 2026, 11:19:34 PMits possible i guess. ive heard people on here MU pay is based on class not just performance. Still..... hard to belive 18 is getting paid so much that it would prevent MU from paying a bit more to keep sheek. Whomever is dropping a bag to get sheek is taking quite a gamble.
Yeah, people think Shaka is now using the portal but not changing how players are paid.
If they think we kept Nigel and signed Fru while paying Caedin more money than those two, well...
Quote from: jfp61 on April 22, 2026, 07:03:39 AMNever was truly a top 50 recruit.
If we're being honest he was about the 170th best freshman the year he decided to come out. And bigs take longer to develop.
He was 63 at 247 and 66 at ESPN before he reclassified.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 07:35:47 AMHe was 63 at 247 and 66 at ESPN before he reclassified.
Yeah, the idea that he isn't a good player all of a sudden is absurd. He would have been a valuable member of this team this upcoming season. No one was saying he was the next Don Kojis but he could have given them good minutes.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 07:41:03 AMYeah, the idea that he isn't a good player all of a sudden is absurd. He would have been a valuable member of this team this upcoming season. No one was saying he was the next Don Kojis but he could have given them good minutes.
And he's the exact type of big Shaka put in the NBA over and over at Texas (plus Oso). Hope it works out for Sheek because I'm confident Shaka could've developed him like he did Oso.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 21, 2026, 09:14:26 PMGet use to it. This is the new world. More than likely to have one like this, if not more on a yearly basis.
Time for the staff to put on there big boy pants and get to work.
Wisblue and Johnny hit it on the head
Well if it's always raining this is a cloud burst. You're right, Wisblue and Johnny hit it on the head. Time will tell if Marquette has the resources to compete at the high D1 level. Let's see who they get to replace Sheek, but holding onto Hamilton and Clark and letting Sheek go is not an encouraging sign going forward.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 22, 2026, 07:48:48 AMWell if it's always raining this is a cloud burst. You're right, Wisblue and Johnny hit it on the head. Time will tell if Marquette has the resources to compete at the high D1 level. Let's see who they get to replace Sheek, but holding onto Hamilton and Clark and letting Sheek go is not an encouraging sign going forward.
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Timing is a bit odd. Sheek leaves last minute and MU officially announces their transfers beforehand. Did Shaka and co. have a clue it was happening? Will they go back and look for a replacement despite intending to be done with the portal?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 22, 2026, 07:48:48 AMWell if it's always raining this is a cloud burst. You're right, Wisblue and Johnny hit it on the head. Time will tell if Marquette has the resources to compete at the high D1 level. Let's see who they get to replace Sheek, but holding onto Hamilton and Clark and letting Sheek go is not an encouraging sign going forward.
They did not choose Hamilton and Clark over Sheek.
They did not let go of Sheek. He chose to leave.
Why is this so f'n complicated for some of you?
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 21, 2026, 10:18:37 PMThey're not. So we got Caedin. One of the worst players in the Big East. But Shaka thinks he's the best defender on the team.
Right I'm as upset as you that caedins back in the primary rotation but unless shaka knew that Sheek was going to transfer (highly doubtful) it sounds like you're saying we should've wasted a scholarship recruiting a 5th center and I'm just not understanding that logic because by your own admission people aren't exactly lining up to be center option number 3.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 07:26:38 AMThis is like when Scoopers thought Sean and Tre wouldn't leave because they get paid too much.
No, it's nothing like that at all.
If MU couldn't match a better offer for Sheek - which some here are sure is the reason he left - it means the staff either lacked the resources to do so or decided they could manage without him.
If it's the latter ... gross.
If it's the former ... maybe don't spend money on multiple scholarship players who never see the court and you might have more available for those who do.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 08:08:18 AMThey did not choose Hamilton and Clark over Sheek.
They did not let go of Sheek. He chose to leave.
Why is this so f'n complicated for some of you?
I think worrier is correct. It was clearly an either or situation and Marquette chose Clark and Hamilton because:
A. They were cheaper
B. RVG only applied to those two and not Sheek
C. The Big East is doomed
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 08:13:01 AMNo, it's nothing like that at all.
If MU couldn't match a better offer for Sheek - which some here are sure is the reason he left - it means the staff either lacked the resources to do so or decided they could manage without him.
If it's the latter ... gross.
If it's the former ... maybe don't spend money on multiple scholarship players who never see the court and you might have more available for those who do.
Or, Sheek is getting a number that exceeds what everyone else on the roster is getting.
There are a lot of folks here speaking definitively with what happened. So what happened?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 06:03:11 AMNope
Then why didn't MU match?
Weird to develop a kid as a redshirt for a year then let him walk out the door without trying to retain him.
Is he so bad that the staff feels comfortable going into another season with Hamilton and/or Clark as a major part of the rotation?
Quote from: panda on April 22, 2026, 08:15:33 AMThere are a lot of folks here speaking definitively with what happened. So what happened?
Getting a bigger bag from a school that pivoted to him after losing an expected transfer to another school.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 08:15:58 AMThen why didn't MU match?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 08:14:17 AMOr, Sheek is getting a number that exceeds what everyone else on the roster is getting.
Quote from: warriors141 on April 21, 2026, 10:46:12 PMDon't redshirt players, wasted a years worth of resources on this kid
Yep. Players/agents are going to take the largest sum of money possible as soon as they can. Developing talent for other teams is not smart. Might as well get as much out of them as possible while they are on your roster.
Might have been interesting to see Sheek play last year. If he had performed moderately well he may have had more buy in, gotten a better offer from MU after the season and his parents may have had more buy in. As it stands, "thanks for paying us to train our kid".
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 08:15:58 AMThen why didn't MU match?
Weird to develop a kid as a redshirt for a year then let him walk out the door without trying to retain him.
Is he so bad that the staff feels comfortable going into another season with Hamilton and/or Clark as a major part of the rotation?
If it's a number they weren't comfortable with and exceeded what others on the roster were getting, they chose to let him walk.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 08:14:17 AMOr, Sheek is getting a number that exceeds what everyone else on the roster is getting.
Someone is dropping $2-3 million on a player that I've just been told wasn't even a top 50 recruit and won't be good for another 2-3 years?
That feels like cope.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 08:08:18 AMThey did not choose Hamilton and Clark over Sheek.
They did not let go of Sheek. He chose to leave.
Why is this so f'n complicated for some of you?
FIFY. (But yes, he is not alone). Muwarriors 69 is just being himself. He LOVES the "cloudburst" and I think was really hoping for a hurricane. Willie also has weighed in with his take this morning.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 08:13:01 AMNo, it's nothing like that at all.
If MU couldn't match a better offer for Sheek - which some here are sure is the reason he left - it means the staff either lacked the resources to do so or decided they could manage without him.
If it's the latter ... gross.
If it's the former ... maybe don't spend money on multiple scholarship players who never see the court and you might have more available for those who do.
It's not that black and white. They had an agreement in place. Likely someone came in and offered a bunch more - an offer that Marquette wasn't willing to match, not because they don't have the money, but because it would screw up their whole compensation structure. So they said "good luck."
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 08:18:34 AMSomeone is dropping $2-3 million on a player that I've just been told wasn't even a top 50 recruit and won't be good for another 2-3 years?
That feels like cope.
What if someone is dropping an amount higher than proven players on our roster?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 08:18:34 AMSomeone is dropping $2-3 million on a player that I've just been told wasn't even a top 50 recruit and won't be good for another 2-3 years?
That feels like cope.
Someone is stupid
Imagine dropping a huge bag on a redshirt freshman who hasn't played a game. I mean if he was a phenom you think he would have played last year? Teams are spending money like a teenage girl with a credit card, wonder how long this lasts
Quote from: jfp61 on April 22, 2026, 08:24:51 AMSomeone is stupid
That's the modern landscape. K-State went all in on the model overpaying and went bust. Michigan went all in and went boom.
Quote from: panda on April 22, 2026, 08:15:33 AMThere are a lot of folks here speaking definitively with what happened. So what happened?
One does not use facts and accurate information on a message board.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 22, 2026, 08:23:36 AMWhat if someone is dropping an amount higher than proven players on our roster?
This is where talent evaluation comes in. An unproven player can still be worth it. If he was eating people alive in practice ala Wade in 2001 then you pay the man. Every player on the team would understand.
This was likely not the case or Shaka would have been stupid not to pull the red shirt last year. He likely was not dominating in practice and 2-3 mil was not worth it. Hopefully Shaka and staff are right on this one.
Quote from: warriors141 on April 22, 2026, 08:26:17 AMImagine dropping a huge bag on a redshirt freshman who hasn't played a game. I mean if he was a phenom you think he would have played last year? Teams are spending money like a teenage girl with a credit card, wonder how long this lasts
I'd say not long but teams have been spending stupid money for years on talent (yes, even before NIL) and coming up bust.
Ultimately, the NCAA and its member institutions are to blame for not having a plan in place despite decades of knowing this was coming and continuing to bury their heads in the sand waiting for the federal government to fix things. Rudderless leadership.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 08:14:17 AMOr, Sheek is getting a number that exceeds what everyone else on the roster is getting.
I have a suspicion it might be Sheek's hometown school, which has a massive NIL budget and will have him start day one.
That said, I want MU to expose the parties involved. The NCAA does take tampering seriously (they just hit Iowa football, UCLA Cross Country got hit, SMU swimming, etc) but it's up to the schools to report it. Any contact with anyone involved with a player (parent, family, former coach, AGENT) is impermissible contact. MU can't sit back and
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 08:19:52 AMIt's not that black and white. They had an agreement in place. Likely someone came in and offered a bunch more - an offer that Marquette wasn't willing to match, not because they don't have the money, but because it would screw up their whole compensation structure. So they said "good luck."
I've read here for the past six months how there really is no compensation structure and that the best and most important players would get paid the most, regardless of class or anything else. And that players who have underperformed would even face pay cuts or be asked to take no pay at all.
Now I'm being told there is a compensation structure that requires such slavish devotion that the staff apparently has to face the prospect of running back Hamilton and/or Clark as key rotational players, even if the resources are readily to prevent that.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 22, 2026, 08:33:45 AMI have a suspicion it might be Sheek's hometown school, which has a massive NIL budget and will have him start day one.
That said, I want MU to expose the parties involved. The NCAA does take tampering seriously (they just hit Iowa football, UCLA Cross Country got hit, SMU swimming, etc) but it's up to the schools to report it. Any contact with anyone involved with a player (parent, family, former coach, AGENT) is impermissible contact. MU can't sit back and
I'm willing to bet Marquette tampered with Minessale.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 08:34:32 AMI've read here for the past six months how there really is no compensation structure and that the best and most important players would get paid the most, regardless of class or anything else. And that players who have underperformed would even face pay cuts or be asked to take no pay at all.
Now I'm being told there is a compensation structure that requires such slavish devotion that the staff apparently has to face the prospect of running back Hamilton and/or Clark as key rotational players, even if the resources are readily to prevent that.
Check your DMs
Quote from: panda on April 22, 2026, 08:15:33 AMThere are a lot of folks here speaking definitively with what happened. So what happened?
Scoop already doing a coping mechanism? What's the "story" this time?
Quote from: panda on April 22, 2026, 08:15:33 AMThere are a lot of folks here speaking definitively with what happened. So what happened?
Exactly! Nobody
knows. We are speculating. My favorite is that he is going to SLU, but that's of course a guess. To me, the ones involving Hamilton and Clark are ummm..... interesting. ;D
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 22, 2026, 08:37:18 AMScoop already doing a coping mechanism? What's the "story" this time?
I'm not sure I see coping. I see an acknowledgement this sucks and speculation.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 22, 2026, 08:33:45 AMI have a suspicion it might be Sheek's hometown school, which has a massive NIL budget and will have him start day one.
That said, I want MU to expose the parties involved. The NCAA does take tampering seriously (they just hit Iowa football, UCLA Cross Country got hit, SMU swimming, etc) but it's up to the schools to report it. Any contact with anyone involved with a player (parent, family, former coach, AGENT) is impermissible contact. MU can't sit back and
Oh this is so adorable.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 08:35:06 AMI'm willing to bet Marquette tampered with Minessale.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind this is the case.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 08:39:57 AMThere is absolutely no doubt in my mind this is the case.
Does it count if Shaka asked his cousin to reach out to him?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 08:34:32 AMI've read here for the past six months how there really is no compensation structure and that the best and most important players would get paid the most, regardless of class or anything else. And that players who have underperformed would even face pay cuts or be asked to take no pay at all.
Now I'm being told there is a compensation structure that requires such slavish devotion that the staff apparently has to face the prospect of running back Hamilton and/or Clark as key rotational players, even if the resources are readily to prevent that.
This isn't really that hard.
A-level employee Fran makes $250,000
B-level employee Stan makes $200,000
Stan goes out and gets an offer for $300,000 and says he will stay if I match. I could match. I have the money despite the fact I have a couple of administrative assistants making $75,000. But then I know that I would have to deal with an "unfair" compensation arrangement...or increase Fran to $350,000. And frankly Stan isn't worth that anyway. I can use that money to find a replacement and increase Fran in the process.
So I say good luck to Stan.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 08:39:57 AMOh this is so adorable.
There is absolutely no doubt in my mind this is the case.
Did Minnessale have a no-contact designation on his portal entry?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 22, 2026, 08:46:56 AMDid Minnessale have a no-contact designation on his portal entry?
If you think the first time anyone from Marquette talked to anyone associated with NM was after he was in the portal, I have a very nice bridge to sell you.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 08:34:32 AMI've read here for the past six months how there really is no compensation structure and that the best and most important players would get paid the most, regardless of class or anything else. And that players who have underperformed would even face pay cuts or be asked to take no pay at all.
Now I'm being told there is a compensation structure that requires such slavish devotion that the staff apparently has to face the prospect of running back Hamilton and/or Clark as key rotational players, even if the resources are readily to prevent that.
I don't know anything about anything, but the first paragraph would make no sense to me except for schools that plan to turn over more than 50% of their roster each year. Shaka is clearly changing his approach to the portal, but I still wouldn't expect MU to to be more active than a couple losses/adds each year. He's also a bit beam sea after recruiting on RGV, so I would guess that his adapted RGV messaging involves an established compensation structure - even if he reserves the right to deviate for obvious upgrades. If he didn't think Sheek warranted a deviation from that, I wouldn't call it slavish.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 08:48:43 AMIf you think the first time anyone from Marquette talked to anyone associated with NM was after he was in the portal, I have a very nice bridge to sell you.
then St. Thomas can ask the NCAA to report MU.
But why didn't he have a no contact designation when Sheek does?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 22, 2026, 08:54:51 AMthen St. Thomas can ask the NCAA to report MU.
But why didn't he have a no contact designation when Sheek does?
I never said there was an agreement in place between Marquette and NM prior to him being in the portal.
And Sheek has that designation because he likely has such an agreement in place.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 08:26:35 AMThat's the modern landscape. K-State went all in on the model overpaying and went bust. Michigan went all in and went boom.
Michigan didn't pay freshman who didn't play last year.
Michigan payed very good players who had played limited minutes and performed well on the court.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 08:46:39 AMThis isn't really that hard.
A-level employee Fran makes $250,000
B-level employee Stan makes $200,000
Stan goes out and gets an offer for $300,000 and says he will stay if I match. I could match. I have the money despite the fact I have a couple of administrative assistants making $75,000. But then I know that I would have to deal with an "unfair" compensation arrangement...or increase Fran to $350,000. And frankly Stan isn't worth that anyway. I can use that money to find a replacement and increase Fran in the process.
So I say good luck to Stan.
This happens all the time in professional sports (and that's obviously what this is now).
Aaron Judge isn't the highest-paid Yankee. Jalen Brunson isn't the highest-paid Knick (neither is KAT or Bridges). Connor McDavid isn't the highest-paid Oiler.
Timing and market forces matter.
If you want to make the case that Sheek isn't worth whatever it is you think he's getting, to the point that you're good without him, I'm listening. But if the claim is that they didn't match because they had to abide by an arbitrary "structure," then that's a silly way to operate.
Quote from: jfp61 on April 22, 2026, 09:02:14 AMMichigan didn't pay freshman who didn't play last year.
Michigan payed very good players who had played limited minutes and performed well on the court.
And?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 09:04:58 AMThis happens all the time in professional sports (and that's obviously what this is now).
Aaron Judge isn't the highest-paid Yankee. Jalen Brunson isn't the highest-paid Knick (neither is KAT or Bridges). Connor McDavid isn't the highest-paid Oiler.
Timing and market forces matter.
If you want to make the case that Sheek isn't worth whatever it is you think he's getting to the point that you're good without him, I'm listening. But if the claim is that they didn't match because they had to abide by an arbitrary "structure," then that's a silly way to operate.
They had an agreement with him in place already that determined what Marquette thought he was worth. And he agreed to it.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 09:04:58 AMThis happens all the time in professional sports (and that's obviously what this is now).
Aaron Judge isn't the highest-paid Yankee. Jalen Brunson isn't the highest-paid Knick (neither is KAT or Bridges). Connor McDavid isn't the highest-paid Oiler.
Timing and market forces matter.
If you want to make the case that Sheek isn't worth whatever it is you think he's getting to the point that you're good without him, I'm listening. But if the claim is that they didn't match because they had to abide by an arbitrary "structure," then that's a silly way to operate.
Bad examples. Aaron Judge is under contract through 2031. If Aaron Judge wants a raise and the Yankees say no, he can't just leave and get paid more by the Dodgers. His options are to play or retire.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 22, 2026, 08:54:51 AMthen St. Thomas can ask the NCAA to report MU.
But why didn't he have a no contact designation when Sheek does?
Why would a school do this? At least in basketball. No offense, but that's pie in the sky thinking. Coaches aren't cutting off their noses to spite their faces.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 09:10:15 AMThey had an agreement with him in place already that determined what Marquette thought he was worth. And he agreed to it.
OK. Straight from Broeker's mouth.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 09:12:55 AMOK. Straight from Broeker's mouth.
Or from the mouth of someone who has a proven track record of being right.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 09:12:55 AMOK. Straight from Broeker's mouth.
I'm not even sure what this means.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 09:04:58 AMAaron Judge isn't the highest-paid Yankee. Jalen Brunson isn't the highest-paid Knick (neither is KAT or Bridges). Connor McDavid isn't the highest-paid Oiler.
#FakeNews #Lies
Sheek's next stop better be a place with no or fake football. Otherwise, the direct payment $$ isn't gonna be there and he's playing with fire. But, plenty of MM's and others with $ available under the cap.
More importantly, whatever team he lands at won't already have two backup centers, one of whom gets to play no matter what.
I thought one of the other centers may leave once Fru was secured. This blows.
On the good side, I also thought a guy like DO could make a smart $ decision by dropping to a MM for a year, then trying to get a massive bag the following year.. but he didn't (at least I don't think he did.. news could still trickle out the next two days.. fml).
OK, get on the phone with centers, tell them our backups are for practice, and bring someone in.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 09:16:25 AM#FakeNews #Lies
My bad on KAT, but ...
https://www.spotrac.com/nhl/edmonton-oilers/cap
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 22, 2026, 09:15:06 AMOr from the mouth of someone who has a proven track record of being right.
#donedeal
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 06:05:45 AMNo. He was worried about minutes next year bc others were staying, including the teacher's favorite.
A nice year this year - be it at a HM or MM - would help his $$$ in 2027-28. Worried about sitting while 18 plays, it becomes looking forward, not just 2026-27.
There's no illegal tampering monster $$$ waiting for him. He just saw what a couple of us saw as the disappointing reality.
Definitively not true.
This scenario with Sheek must upset Shaka. I'm sure he's not mad at the kid, but the system. I will be interested to see if that makes Shaka open to anything and everything in the portal now, or if it doesn't change the way he views things at all. Taking developmental players seems like a thing of the past. There's almost no reason to roster Freshman that you don't think have a chance to play right now.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 22, 2026, 09:36:30 AMThis scenario with Sheek must upset Shaka. I'm sure he's not mad at the kid, but the system. I will be interested to see if that makes Shaka open to anything and everything in the portal now, or if it doesn't change the way he views things at all. Taking developmental players seems like a thing of the past now. There's almost no reason to roster Freshman that you don't think have a chance to play right now.
We'll see where everything lands, but maybe multi-year contracts with stiff penalties (pawz) for breaking contract (e.g., clawbacks) that are actually enforced would be a path.. seems unlikely anytime soon though.
What a SS. (stands for sh1t show... maybe).
https://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2046767003331862980?s=46
https://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2046774891320332785?s=46
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Shaka is always looking for ideas. I think he should reach out to George W. Bush to learn how to look into a recruit's eyes to get a sense of his soul. Sheek clearly was not buying into the importance of relationships.
Quote from: panda on April 22, 2026, 09:40:20 AMProve it
Prove it's not.
I'm saying something I know to be true. If you want to live in an alternate reality, that's your right.
Quote from: NickelDimer on April 22, 2026, 09:39:46 AMhttps://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2046767003331862980?s=46
https://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2046774891320332785?s=46
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That is clearly a troll account. Or someone who has no idea what they are talking about.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 22, 2026, 09:42:31 AMNope, not him.
I know.
Point is, our so-called insiders have been wrong plenty, and often the things they claim to know are not provable one way or another ... like this one.
You're free to take it on faith.
Quote from: BM1090 on April 22, 2026, 09:43:40 AMProve it's not.
I'm saying something I know to be true. If you want to live in an alternate reality, that's your right.
Buddy I have no inside info - just bugs me when people proclaim something as fact but wont back it up. Show your work.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 09:38:08 AMWe'll see where everything lands, but maybe multi-year contracts with stiff penalties (pawz) for breaking contract (e.g., clawbacks) that are actually enforced would be a path.. seems unlikely anytime soon though.
What a SS. (stands for sh1t show... maybe).
The general idea makes sense. I don't see any way they'd be able to enforce the penalties.
Quote from: panda on April 22, 2026, 09:47:10 AMBuddy I have no inside info - just bugs me when people proclaim something as fact but wont back it up. Show your work.
How is he supposed to "prove it" exactly?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 09:46:11 AMThat is clearly a troll account. Or someone who has no idea what they are talking about.
Correct.
https://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2044776955073945844?s=46
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 22, 2026, 09:47:30 AMThe general idea makes sense. I don't see any way they'd be able to enforce the penalties.
The fault lies at the feet of the NCAA.
Quote from: NickelDimer on April 22, 2026, 09:39:46 AMhttps://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2046767003331862980?s=46
https://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2046774891320332785?s=46
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The same account claimed Nolan Minessale would not be transferring to Marquette because Wisconsin was prioritizing him.
Then they said Nolan Minessale would be transferring to Marquette.
They also claimed Tylen Riley would be committing to MU after his visit. A visit he never made.
They claimed to spot Amari Evans on campus, but no one else has reported that taking place.
So basically, they like to throw crap at the wall and see what sticks. Zero credibility in my book.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 09:48:08 AMHow is he supposed to "prove it" exactly?
Explain what happened between sheek, Marquette and the other program
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 09:48:42 AMThe fault lies at the feet of the NCAA.
it's lawyers, attorneys general, and the courts who have worked to invalidate bylaws and penalties more than anything else. For example, the NCAA had Tennessee dead to rights on the recruitment of Nico Iamaleava until the Tennessee Attorney General got involved. He (and the West Virginia AG) got together to find a court to overturn the one-time transfer rule too.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 22, 2026, 09:52:42 AMit's lawyers, attorneys general, and the courts who have worked to invalidate bylaws and penalties more than anything else. For example, the NCAA had Tennessee dead to rights on the recruitment of Nico Iamaleava until the Tennessee Attorney General got involved. He (and the West Virginia AG) got together to find a court to overturn the one-time transfer rule too.
The NCAA has had decades to deal with the reckoning that was coming. They chose not to. Zero sympathy for their failures.
Paint Touches looks at the news
https://painttouches.com/2026/04/22/quick-thoughts-on-sheek-pearson-shocking-shaka-smart-marquette-transfer/
Quote from: NickelDimer on April 22, 2026, 09:39:46 AMhttps://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2046767003331862980?s=46
https://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2046774891320332785?s=46
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Don't believe a single word that dummy posts.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 08:13:01 AMNo, it's nothing like that at all.
If MU couldn't match a better offer for Sheek - which some here are sure is the reason he left - it means the staff either lacked the resources to do so or decided they could manage without him.
If it's the latter ... gross.
If it's the former ... maybe don't spend money on multiple scholarship players who never see the court and you might have more available for those who do.
There's a third option you're not considering. Maybe another team valued Sheek at a level far exceeding what the rest of the market valued him at.
These are made up numbers for purpose of example, but if most programs value Sheek at $1 million, but one program believes he is grossly undervalued and offers him $2 million dollars, the answer isn't necessarily to match the overpay. Maybe that one school's gamble pays off. Maybe they end up overpaying and hampering their ability to recruit other players.
Depending on the offer, there's a point where the better decision is to not match and invest those dollars elsewhere.
I'm bummed about Sheek transferring but still think MU can drop some $$$ and make a pitch to keep him, but I highly doubt it.
That said, let's put things in perspective. Our neighbors to the west just lost John Blackwell to Duke. We retained 3 starters and every bench piece we wanted to keep that saw minutes last year. We lost our backup big who redshirted last year.
And FWIW, I think it's unwise to redshirt anyone in 2026. But Sheek would have gotten manhandled by Zuby Ejiofor and Tarris Reed last season and I doubt he would have shown us enough that we'd trust him as the starting center this coming year.
It's more of a ding to the long-term plans for the roster, but nothing is promised these days and the transfer portal will end up being a tool MU uses more often than we want.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 08:18:34 AMSomeone is dropping $2-3 million on a player that I've just been told wasn't even a top 50 recruit and won't be good for another 2-3 years?
That feels like cope.
I think the "not even a top 50 recruit and won't be good for 2-3 years" is the cope in your example. If you look, most here consider him a big loss and that he was the center of the future.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 09:46:11 AMThat is clearly a troll account. Or someone who has no idea what they are talking about.
Given what MUFastBreak claimed, and given what JB has repeatedly claimed ... has anybody ever seen JB and MUFastBreak in the same room?
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 10:23:03 AMhas anybody ever seen JB and MUFastBreak in the same room?
I have not!
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 08:13:01 AMNo, it's nothing like that at all.
If MU couldn't match a better offer for Sheek - which some here are sure is the reason he left - it means the staff either lacked the resources to do so or decided they could manage without him.
If it's the latter ... gross.
If it's the former ... maybe don't spend money on multiple scholarship players who never see the court and you might have more available for those who do.
Since it seems you know how much we're paying guys, I'd love to see the breakdown of NIL and rev share going to each player.
Quote from: NickelDimer on April 22, 2026, 09:39:46 AMhttps://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2046767003331862980?s=46
https://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2046774891320332785?s=46
🤷🏻
Definitely legit.
Quote from: panda on April 22, 2026, 09:47:10 AMBuddy I have no inside info - just bugs me when people proclaim something as fact but wont back it up. Show your work.
GTFOH! You golf with one of MU's biggest donors!
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 11:23:45 AMGTFOH! You golf with one of MU's biggest donors!
I know it's incredibly difficult for you to understand how actual human relationships function because the majority of your time is spent on this website responding to every single post but I have not seen him in the last two days so like you, I don't have any information other than what's publicly available.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 22, 2026, 10:16:45 AMThere's a third option you're not considering. Maybe another team valued Sheek at a level far exceeding what the rest of the market valued him at.
These are made up numbers for purpose of example, but if most programs value Sheek at $1 million, but one program believes he is grossly undervalued and offers him $2 million dollars, the answer isn't necessarily to match the overpay. Maybe that one school's gamble pays off. Maybe they end up overpaying and hampering their ability to recruit other players.
Depending on the offer, there's a point where the better decision is to not match and invest those dollars elsewhere.
That's all fine and good but they better actually invest those dollars elsewhere. Sooner rather than later.
Quote from: panda on April 22, 2026, 11:28:32 AMI know it's incredibly difficult for you to understand how actual human relationships function because the majority of your time is spent on this website responding to every single post but I have not seen him in the last two days so like you, I don't have any information other than what's publicly available.
Ah yes. The person on MUScoop trying to make fun of someone for being on MUScoop.
A guy that needed to make a new username because he's been permabanned, no less!
Quote from: panda on April 22, 2026, 11:28:32 AMI have not seen him in the last two days so like you, I don't have any information other than what's publicly available.
You and your buddy don't own phones?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 11:38:12 AMAh yes. The person on MUScoop trying to make fun of someone for being on MUScoop.
A guy that needed to make a new username because he's been permabanned, no less!
What's so crazy about asking to validate the information? Everyone asked me and I obliged.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 11:21:49 AMDefinitely legit.
This is horse crap. There is absolutely no way this conversation took place.
No coach in America tells a kid he is positioned to be the the 3rd option 7 months before the first tip off and hundreds or works outs and practices to go before that point.
Anyone that thinks that conversation occurred never played or coached a team sport
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 22, 2026, 10:16:45 AMThere's a third option you're not considering. Maybe another team valued Sheek at a level far exceeding what the rest of the market valued him at.
Your third option sounds an awful lot like my second option, i.e. that the staff decided they could manage without. In which case, unless they find a suitable replace quick, gross.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 11:10:05 AMSince it seems you know how much we're paying guys, I'd love to see the breakdown of NIL and rev share going to each player.
That's laughable, considering I'm one of the few people around here who openly admits we know nothing about what the players are receiving.
"Coach is bringing back a lot of centers.. and I saw what he did last year with 18 and am worried about what he'll do next year.. I guess I should consider potentially transferring.."
Then the doors open for the illegal activities that are commonplace.
Yuck.
#aWolfInSheeksClothing
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 11:56:15 AMThat's laughable, considering I'm one of the few people around here who openly admits we know nothing about what the players are receiving.
Then why do you keep insisting that keeping Josh and Caedin kept us from being able to pay players enough to keep on the roster?
People who have provided reliable details in the are telling you the number Sheek got was absurd and was not something Marquette was willing to match. You continue to insist that Shaka should do whatever it takes to keep a guy who would be an important contributor, but is far from a guy you just bow down to and give whatever he asks for.
This isn't the same as NBA or NFL or MLB contracts. Guys aren't signed to 5-10 year deals. It's a year by year contract. So you SHOULD be paying your best players more than you're paying your 7th man. If the 7th man comes in and says he wants what your potential BEPOY candidate wants? That'd be bad business to just says, "Sure!"
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 12:00:30 PM"Coach is bringing back a lot of centers.. and I saw what he did last year with 18 and am worried about what he'll do next year.. I guess I should consider potentially transferring.."
Then the doors open for the illegal activities that are commonplace.
Yuck.
#aWolfInSheeksClothing
This is where I'm at, too. Even though he committed to the school and not for playing time or a bag, he saw the writing on the wall.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 11:56:15 AMThat's laughable, considering I'm one of the few people around here who openly admits we know nothing about what the players are receiving.
I can't speak for wades, but I was pretty sure that you - like the rest of us - have simply been speculating about what's what. All we have is speculation and opinion. I haven't seen one piece of proof supplied by anybody yet, including by me.
Quote from: MU82 on April 22, 2026, 12:02:57 PMI can't speak for wades, but I was pretty sure that you - like the rest of us - have simply been speculating about what's what. All we have is speculation and opinion. I haven't seen one piece of proof supplied by anybody yet, including by me.
I feel my righteous exercise of using known direct payment caps combined with actual NIL clearing activity was pretty good evidence to show that Miya's "73% increase for high majors" was effin nonsense.
Doesn't get you to the actual numbers, but it's clear that many people yapping about numbers are way tf off.
So in Jay Bee's example, would the right interpretation be that Sheek saw he wasn't going to beat out Caedin for PT based on how things went in practice for a full year? Or we are assuming Shaka has such a love of Hamilton that he'd play a far inferior player?
To me, the thought someone made Sheek a huge offer that would cause internal strife amongst the roster if we matched is more reasonable. Or, Sheek is pretty raw in ability.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 12:00:34 PMThen why do you keep insisting that keeping Josh and Caedin kept us from being able to pay players enough to keep on the roster?
I've insisted nothing of the sort. I haven't even mentioned those two other than noting the fact that they may now have to be rotational players next season.
When this news broke last night, the immediate response was that someone made a whale of an offer that MU couldn't or wouldn't match. I merely asked that if it were the former, does spending resources on bench warmers play a part in that. Seems like a fair question to ask. But some people here are so defensive about any slight criticism that they immediately get their hackles up about the mere suggestion of poor resource and roster management.
Which is wild coming off a 20-loss season.
QuotePeople who have provided reliable details in the are telling you the number Sheek got was absurd and was not something Marquette was willing to match.
Nobody has provided reliable anything.
This is classic message board stuff. None of us knows sh!t.
QuoteIf the 7th man comes in and says he wants what your potential BEPOY candidate wants? That'd be bad business to just says, "Sure!"
This is exactly what I'm talking about above. People who have no idea why Sheek left or what other offers he may have received, have spun this into a narrative in which he demanded to be the highest-paid player on the team, or that some other program has made some kind of market resetting offer for a four-star recruit who didn't even play last year.
Whatever you need to tell yourselves, I guess.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 22, 2026, 12:07:57 PMSo in Jay Bee's example, would the right interpretation be that Sheek saw he wasn't going to beat out Caedin for PT based on how things went in practice for a full year? Or we are assuming Shaka has such a love of Hamilton that he'd play a far inferior player?
To me, the thought someone made Sheek a huge offer that would cause internal strife amongst the roster if we matched is more reasonable. Or, Sheek is pretty raw in ability.
I think a combo is reasonable Sheek is thinking, 'holy crap, 18 is staying.. SS has a woodie for him, and that's going to take some of my minutes, plus we've got Josh too. Maybe I should be open to considering a transfer'... then slimy, illegal stuff happens and he gets an offer that includes both (a) more playing time / fewer experienced centers and (b) $ he likes (from a school that has room for additional direct payments).'. #donedeal
A door opened because of our roster and another school jumped on it.
#aWolfInSheeksClothing
Any chance that he went to Shaka and said, "This is what I can make on the open market can you match it" and Shaka said "Nope, but go out there make what you can as a starter, and if you play like we both think you can you see what we are paying Fru and we will welcome you back next year."
I don't think this is a 0% chance of what went down at the 11th hour.
Quote from: mu_eyeballs on April 22, 2026, 12:50:04 PMAny chance that he went to Shaka and said, "This is what I can make on the open market can you match it" and Shaka said "Nope, but go out there make what you can as a starter, and if you play like we both think you can you see what we are paying Fru and we will welcome you back next year."
I don't think this is a 0% chance of what went down at the 11th hour.
Certainly - but end the Shaka sentence after, "...make what you can as a starter."
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 01:10:32 PMCertainly - but end the Shaka sentence after, "...make what you can as a starter."
Fru is starting this year
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 12:17:19 PMI've insisted nothing of the sort. I haven't even mentioned those two other than noting the fact that they may now have to be rotational players next season.
When this news broke last night, the immediate response was that someone made a whale of an offer that MU couldn't or wouldn't match. I merely asked that if it were the former, does spending resources on bench warmers play a part in that. Seems like a fair question to ask. But some people here are so defensive about any slight criticism that they immediately get their hackles up about the mere suggestion of poor resource and roster management.
Which is wild coming off a 20-loss season.
Nobody has provided reliable anything.
This is classic message board stuff. None of us knows sh!t.
This is exactly what I'm talking about above. People who have no idea why Sheek left or what other offers he may have received, have spun this into a narrative in which he demanded to be the highest-paid player on the team, or that some other program has made some kind of market resetting offer for a four-star recruit who didn't even play last year.
Whatever you need to tell yourselves, I guess.
I mean, there have been a couple of posters who have been spot on about a number of things here. Maybe they were just throwing darts blindly and happened to get lucky, but that'd be a hell of a coincidence. It's fine if you're skeptical, but some people clearly do know some things.
You think nobody here knows sh!t, yet you continuously ask for information despite, apparently, knowing nobody knows sh!t. Then you get the answers and you say nobody knows sh!t.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 01:43:13 PM18 is.
I know that, I was just joking with JB. We both know 18 will be starting on opening night. And rightfully so. He's going to show Scoop, imo
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 21, 2026, 09:32:20 PMAhh, so you're claiming whenever Sheek lands tampered? ok bud
Shaka made a choice
This one going to age like milk.
Any names out there people think we might target next so we can move on and away from all the speculation on what happened with Sheek? I know a few were listed in Paint Touches article with a call out of Bamgboye being a potential candidate. Any others you all know more about?
Some of you will eventually figure this out.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 22, 2026, 01:40:25 AMIf we go back to the portal, I'd imagine we'd go for a big man with multiple years left, is comfortable coming off the bench, and isn't going to break the bank. Some possibilities I see:
Luke Bamgboye
Musa Sagnia
Ben Defty
Austin Maurer
Julius Halaifounua
Anton Bonke
Devin Williams
Chol Machot
Some more names might be announced in the next few days, but as of this moment, I think this would be the pool. A lot of teams are still looking for big men, so they will be at a premium and other teams may be able to promise starting minutes. Might have to get creative.
To give people an idea of the competition. Anton Bonke has visits set up with Michigan State and Kansas. His freshman year, he couldn't get off the bench for a bad Providence team. He was better with Charlotte last year...but he's towards the bottom of my list of available transfer bigs.
https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ben-defty-1.html
WE NEED MORE GERMANS.
But for real, why does this big boy not get a call?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 09:34:26 PMOh I am about 100% sure this was about "tampering" and back channel communications.
It's cute that you think otherwise.
That he went in with a no contact tag indicates he knows where he's going.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 22, 2026, 02:15:59 PMhttps://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ben-defty-1.html
WE NEED MORE GERMANS.
But for real, why does this big boy not get a call?
More than 1 German probably gets Marquette on a watchlist given our relationship with NATO
Marquette having two German bigs would be fun. No idea if this dude can hang with high major centers but we have a pretty good idea that Josh and Caedin can't.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 22, 2026, 02:15:59 PMhttps://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/players/ben-defty-1.html
WE NEED MORE GERMANS.
I do not see how that is germane to the conversation.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 22, 2026, 12:19:38 PMI think a combo is reasonable Sheek is thinking, 'holy crap, 18 is staying.. SS has a woodie for him, and that's going to take some of my minutes, plus we've got Josh too. Maybe I should be open to considering a transfer'
Impressive! You're even more dedicated to this schtick than you are to pickleball and celebacy.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 22, 2026, 11:23:45 AMGTFOH! You golf with one of MU's biggest donors!
I spent time in Federal lockup with multiple major dental school donors before they joined a white gang
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 08:08:18 AMThey did not choose Hamilton and Clark over Sheek.
They did not let go of Sheek. He chose to leave.
Why is this so f'n complicated for some of you?
I never said "they" chose Hamilton and Clark over Sheek. I meant not retaining Sheek and holding onto Hamilton and Clark is not an encouraging sign. Also, are we too assume that every player that enters the portal was their choice and coaches have no say if they get to play another year? The most likely answer was that the departure was mutual. Perhaps the "they" saw there are better options in the portal or elsewhere than retaining Sheek. I cannot imagine they were surprised by this, but if they were it's not about the relationships but the money.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 22, 2026, 03:24:52 PMI spent time in Federal lockup with multiple major dental school donors before they joined a white gang
No one is scared of a dental gang.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 22, 2026, 03:27:20 PMI never said "they" chose Hamilton and Clark over Sheek. I meant not retaining Sheek and holding onto Hamilton and Clark is not an encouraging sign. Also, are we too assume that every player that enters the portal was their choice and coaches have no say if they get to play another year? The most likely answer was that the departure was mutual. Perhaps the "they" saw there are better options in the portal or elsewhere than retaining Sheek. I cannot imagine they were surprised by this, but if they were it's not about the relationships but the money.
Assume there is open and transparent communication between the player and the coaching staff. And then assume that it is ultimately the player's decision.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 03:30:21 PMNo one is scared of a dental gang.
you probably should be
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRV-NVgxg4Td8QN5f9hfYdb5KqDXG6i1a5_nA&s)
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 21, 2026, 10:33:14 PMI definitely want another big but that doesn't mean Caedin/Josh will now be playing 15-20 mins a game. Remember we can play R.P. at times at the 5. We also may have Freshmen that can contribute immediately, or go small with DO and Phillips. If we don't find a replacement for Sheek I still don't see 15+ mins for Caedin or Josh, unless they have improved dramatically.
RP had trouble guarding fours in the post (see: Big East tournament game). Don't see how he doesn't get killed by even bigger guys.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 22, 2026, 03:41:06 PMyou probably should be
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I used to think this was a joke. But then Scoop turned me into a raging anti-dentite.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 03:32:25 PMAssume there is open and transparent communication between the player and the coaching staff. And then assume that it is ultimately the player's decision.
... and the Coaching staff openly communicating there will be no scholarship next season for you is a decision made by the player? Perhaps at Marquette players make the decision to stay or not but do not tell me those conversations never happen in college basketball.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 03:48:17 PMRP had trouble guarding fours in the post (see: Big East tournament game). Don't see how he doesn't get killed by even bigger guys.
Was Sheek the answer guarding 4's & 5's in the post?
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 22, 2026, 05:43:58 PM... and the Coaching staff openly communicating there will be no scholarship next season for you is a decision made by the player? Perhaps at Marquette players make the decision to stay or not but do not tell me those conversations never happen in college basketball.
This isn't as complicated as you are trying to make it. At MU...
Assume there is clear and transparent communication about projected roles for next season.
Assume the player makes the decision.
Assume at some other schools that players get run off.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 22, 2026, 05:50:37 PMWas Sheek the answer guarding 4's & 5's in the post?
He'd likely have been a better option than Parham.
I mean, it was the staff's plan - and everyone here was on excitedlybon board with - Sheek being the backup five. Are we now questioning that?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 06:24:43 PMHe'd likely have been a better option than Parham.
I mean, it was the staff's plan - and everyone here was on excitedlybon board with - Sheek being the backup five. Are we now questioning that?
I'm not questioning that, but usually it takes some time for young bigs to learn how to defend. Especially if they're giving up a lot of weight.
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 22, 2026, 06:30:18 PMI'm not questioning that, but usually it takes some time for young bigs to learn how to defend. Especially if they're giving up a lot of weight.
What was he doing during his redshirt year?
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 07:27:04 PMWhat was he doing during his redshirt year?
I don't know. Is he now 240-250?
Quote from: MuggsyB on April 22, 2026, 07:27:49 PMI don't know. Is he now 240-250?
He grew 6" taller during the season, so he probably weighs more.
Bonke is a Spartan.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 07:27:04 PMWhat was he doing during his redshirt year?
Counting his money and formulating his evil plan.
Quote from: tower912 on April 22, 2026, 07:32:57 PMBonke is a Spartan.
A kicker and a Bonke on the floor at the same time. Izzo Goon Squad ACTIVATE
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 07:32:27 PMHe grew 6" taller during the season, so he probably weighs more.
Fk. I didn't realize he was 7'5, 270.
https://x.com/portal_updates/status/2047110960360362462?s=61
Quote from: muwarrior69 on April 22, 2026, 05:43:58 PM... and the Coaching staff openly communicating there will be no scholarship next season for you is a decision made by the player? Perhaps at Marquette players make the decision to stay or not but do not tell me those conversations never happen in college basketball.
You are exhausting.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 22, 2026, 07:47:59 PMGigantor
One day there will be 7'5 guy with the skills of Curry and Shaq. :)
Quote from: MuMark on April 22, 2026, 07:38:51 PMhttps://x.com/portal_updates/status/2047110960360362462?s=61
Guess he missed the winters here.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 22, 2026, 03:30:21 PMNo one is scared of a dental gang.
Dentist about to stick a needle multiple times into your gums:
"This won't hurt a bit".
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 06:24:43 PMHe'd likely have been a better option than Parham.
I mean, it was the staff's plan - and everyone here was on excitedlybon board with - Sheek being the backup five. Are we now questioning that?
You're moving all sorts of goalposts with this one.
Yes, people were very excited about Sheek, myself included.
In no world would I expect him to play tough post defense against big 5s. The value was as a potential shot blocker.
Being excited about him as a backup 5 didn't mean people thought he could match the physicality of we're used to seeing down low.
Sifted my way thru 5 pages and the only concrete info I got was a Bonke commitment to MSU
Good news is Im getting much better at sifting
Quote from: DoctorV on April 22, 2026, 09:52:02 PMSifted my way thru 5 pages and the only concrete info I got was a Bonke commitment to MSU
Good news is Im getting much better at sifting
Hey I told you that Al Amadou committed to Milwaukee!
Oh.....you meant information you were interested in?
Carry on......
Nearly every program loses players to the portal that they didn't want to lose. Over the past 24 hours MU fans have experienced what nearly every other fanbase is also experiencing. It's the era we live in.
It's understandable to be disappointed but the "18" crap is so dumb. Any fan speculation of why Sheek is leaving is just people guessing from our keyboards. But seems weird that people think that Caedin is a more likely explanation than money.
I mean, get a clue people. Look around. Everyone loses players to the portal — and it's almost always for money.
Quote from: MUWarrior11 on April 22, 2026, 10:16:37 PMNearly every program loses players to the portal that they didn't want to lose. Over the past 24 hours MU fans have experienced what nearly every other fanbase is also experiencing. It's the era we live in.
It's understandable to be disappointed but the "18" crap is so dumb. Any fan speculation of why Sheek is leaving is just people guessing from our keyboards. But seems weird that people think that Caedin is a more likely explanation than money.
I mean, get a clue people. Look around. Everyone loses players to the portal — and it's almost always for money.
I think it's the timing - that really amplified the shock factor.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 09:24:43 PMYou're moving all sorts of goalposts with this one.
Yes, people were very excited about Sheek, myself included.
In no world would I expect him to play tough post defense against big 5s. The value was as a potential shot blocker.
Being excited about him as a backup 5 didn't mean people thought he could match the physicality of we're used to seeing down low.
I'm shifting goalposts?
You're literally ignoring what I wrote and arguing with something I didn't write.
Did I write anything about his "tough defense against big 5s?" Nope.
Did I write anything about matching "the physicality of we're used to seeing down low?" Nope.
I wrote that he'd likely be a better defensive option than Parham. You can't argue with that, of course (because you agree, right?) so instead you're arguing with things I never said.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 22, 2026, 10:32:06 PMI'm shifting goalposts?
You're literally ignoring what I wrote and arguing with something I didn't write.
Did I write anything about his "tough defense against big 5s?" Nope.
Did I write anything about matching "the physicality of we're used to seeing down low?" Nope.
I wrote that he'd likely be a better defensive option than Parham. You can't argue with that, of course (because you agree, right?) so instead you're arguing with things I never said.
What I wrote is clearly disagreeing with it because it's a ludicrous statement.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 22, 2026, 10:33:57 PMWhat I wrote is clearly disagreeing with it because it's a ludicrous statement.
You think Parham is a better post defender?
Lol. OK.
Quote from: MUWarrior11 on April 22, 2026, 10:16:37 PMNearly every program loses players to the portal that they didn't want to lose. Over the past 24 hours MU fans have experienced what nearly every other fanbase is also experiencing. It's the era we live in.
It's understandable to be disappointed but the "18" crap is so dumb. Any fan speculation of why Sheek is leaving is just people guessing from our keyboards. But seems weird that people think that Caedin is a more likely explanation than money.
I mean, get a clue people. Look around. Everyone loses players to the portal — and it's almost always for money.
Not true. John Blackwell left UW-Madison because of grades and Gard telling him he was cutting his minutes next year.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2026, 06:14:50 AMNot true. John Blackwell left UW-Madison because of grades and Gard telling him he was cutting his minutes next year.
He was also upset that uw-madison has cut back on photoshopping blacks into their admissions publications.
I hope Duke and uw-madison both suck next season, just like us.
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2026, 08:00:52 AMHe was also upset that uw-madison has cut back on photoshopping blacks into their admissions publications.
I hope Duke and uw-madison both suck next season, just like us.
They won't. Gard gets it done
Just FYI, Riley committed to Cincinnati.
https://x.com/i/status/2047060342971289849
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 23, 2026, 08:19:07 AMJust FYI, Riley committed to Cincinnati.
https://x.com/i/status/2047060342971289849
Green weenie, aina?
Tylen RIley should do well in a middle-of-the-pack Big 12 squad. I wouldn't mind a home-and-home with Cincinnati actually
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2026, 08:30:31 AM18 reasons why, aina
I'm loving this schtick.
Hell, if not for 18, the Iran war would be over already!
https://x.com/trillydonovan/status/2047301993694155115?s=46
How about making it 5 in 5 by 24?
Having 23 year old professionals going to college and getting 5 (or even 4) years of eligibility is ridiculous.
Maybe Fru can have 4 years at MU instead of 1. There are plenty of players in NCAA athletics who played as much time in professional leagues overseas as Fru dide that got 4 years of eligibility.
Quote from: wisblue on April 23, 2026, 10:25:32 AMHow about making it 5 in 5 by 24?
Having 23 year old professionals going to college and getting 5 (or even 4) years of eligibility is ridiculous.
The proposal is a five year window to complete five years of eligibility starting with high school graduation, or when they turn 19 years old.
They are going to include current graduating seniors who have played four seasons, like Ben and Chase.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 23, 2026, 10:17:13 AMhttps://x.com/trillydonovan/status/2047301993694155115?s=46
Oh, boy. A whole month of whining about Shaka not replacing Sheek right away. Hope Rocky and Topper are feeding the hamsters on the wheel running this site extra chow.
Just received an email from Marquette Athletics with the subject line:
Welcome to Marquette, Sananda Fru & Nolan Minessale
The players' faces are featured under a large-font banner reading:
RELATIONSHIPS. GROWTH. VICTORY.
The text reads:
Welcome to Milwaukee, Sananda Fru!
Marquette Men's Basketball welcomes Sananda Fru. A CSC Academic All-District selection as a junior in 2025-26, Fru averaged 9.0 points and 6.1 rebounds per game in his first season with the Cardinals. He started in 29 of the team's 35 outings and shot 75.3 percent from the floor while finishing sixth in the Atlantic Coast Conference (ACC) in blocked shots (1.43 bpg.) and 16th in rebounding. He concluded the year with four double-doubles and led the squad in boards on 12 occasions.
Prior to Louisville, Fru played four seasons for Loewen Braunschweig in the German BBL. "We're very excited about Sananda joining our program and the immediate impact he will make." Smart said. "His athleticism, skill set, and DNA as a teammate will affect our team in a significant way."
#WeAreMarquette
Welcome to Milwaukee, Nolan Minessale!
Marquette Men's Basketball welcomes Nolan Minessale. As a sophomore, Minessale was a First Team All-Summit League selection in 2025-26 and was also named to the conference's all-defensive and all-tournament squads. A finalist for the Lou Henson Mid-Major Player of the Year Award, the Marquette High School graduate averaged 19.8 points, 4.6 rebounds and 4.3 assists per contest. He finished second in the Summit League in scoring and among the national leaders with 22 games of 20-or-more points.
"We are happy to welcome Nolan home and add him to our program," Smart said. "He possesses a variety of winning traits as a player and person, including his contagious competitiveness, basketball IQ, and ability to make those around him better."
#WeAreMarquette
Then there's a season-ticket sales pitch.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 23, 2026, 10:46:58 AMThe proposal is a five year window to complete five years of eligibility starting with high school graduation, or when they turn 19 years old.
They are going to include current graduating seniors who have played four seasons, like Ben and Chase.
So, if this passes, could MU fill out its roster by bringing back Ben and Chase?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 23, 2026, 10:53:48 AMSo, if this passes, could MU fill out its roster by bringing back Ben and Chase?
Yes
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2026, 10:56:13 AMYes
Right because they will most assuredly make this retroactive for seniors. And them fast-tracking this now is a good idea because it likely won't squeeze out many freshman, who schools have already made commitments to, and many graduating seniors may move on by this point.
So it may be a good idea for Marquette to hold some spots open at this point.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 23, 2026, 10:53:48 AMSo, if this passes, could MU fill out its roster by bringing back Ben and Chase?
I could see Ben OK with not being a starter. I'm sure Willie would welcome him back.
Chase may decide he's better off taking a pass (no pun intended) and play pro ball somewhere TBD.
Who started calling Caedin Hamilton "18" in here?
Decent chance they are White Sox Bill.
https://x.com/i/status/2047345657552273734
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 23, 2026, 10:53:48 AMSo, if this passes, could MU fill out its roster by bringing back Ben and Chase?
Screw that, I'm grabbing Tarris Reed Jr and Jaden Bradley if seniors get a 5th year.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 23, 2026, 11:28:45 AMWho started calling Caedin Hamilton "18" in here?
Decent chance they are White Sox Bill.
https://x.com/i/status/2047345657552273734
I remember someone getting fired up about it and writing a long diatribe of how it is disrespectful to not even use his name etc. Funny thing is - it's not even remotely disrespectful and commonplace to refer to players by their number.
For me - it's more so jabbing at the dorks who think it's a problem, nothing against 18.
Quote from: panda on April 23, 2026, 11:51:35 AMI remember someone getting fired up about it and writing a long diatribe of how it is disrespectful to not even use his name etc. Funny thing is - it's not even remotely disrespectful and commonplace to refer to players by their number.
For me - it's more so jabbing at the dorks who think it's a problem, nothing against 18.
Except in the history of Scoop only one player has been (at least commonly) referred to by their number.
But sure.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 23, 2026, 10:53:48 AMSo, if this passes, could MU fill out its roster by bringing back Ben and Chase?
How long until someone from the Stevie/Jop/Kam class sues because they would be the only class since 2020 to not get an option for a fifth year thus limiting their earnings potential?
Quote from: wadesworld on April 23, 2026, 12:14:33 PMExcept in the history of Scoop only one player has been (at least commonly) referred to by their number.
But sure.
Didn't 4ever only use player numbers instead of names?
Quote from: The Sultan on April 23, 2026, 10:58:59 AMRight because they will most assuredly make this retroactive for seniors.
If by 'most assuredly' you mean, 'perhaps'.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 23, 2026, 11:44:02 AMScrew that, I'm grabbing Tarris Reed Jr and Jaden Bradley if seniors get a 5th year.
You better shoot Reed by hardon Alumni, he thinks he has little value.
Quote from: willie warrior on April 23, 2026, 12:34:23 PMYou better shoot Reed by hardon Alumni, he thinks he has little value.
I don't even know what you're talking about little willie. Might be time for a cognitive exam.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on April 23, 2026, 11:28:45 AMWho started calling Caedin Hamilton "18" in here?
Decent chance they are White Sox Bill.
https://x.com/i/status/2047345657552273734
At what point does it cross the line of not thinking a player is that good to just being a dick
Quote from: warriors141 on April 23, 2026, 12:45:47 PMAt what point does it cross the line of not thinking a player is that good to just being a dick
Long before this.
Quote from: warriors141 on April 23, 2026, 12:45:47 PMAt what point does it cross the line of not thinking a player is that good to just being a dick
Is he a dick? Yes. Is he right? Yes. Two things can be true.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 23, 2026, 11:04:13 AMI could see Ben OK with not being a starter. I'm sure Willie would welcome him back.
Chase may decide he's better off taking a pass (no pun intended) and play pro ball somewhere TBD.
I'd be ok with Ben coming back for another go-round. Chase too, but agree he's got more opportunities outside of college.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on April 23, 2026, 01:12:45 PMI'd be ok with Ben coming back for another go-round. Chase too, but agree he's got more opportunities outside of college.
I was told foreigners can't make NIL $$.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 23, 2026, 12:44:56 PMI don't even know what you're talking about little willie. Might be time for a cognitive exam.
He zinged you pretty good, though. You have to admit "hardon" is a devastating name you'll never recover from.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 23, 2026, 01:33:19 PMHe zinged you pretty good, though. You have to admit "hardon" is a devastating name you'll never recover from.
I'll admit, it is also new. Never heard it before!
Lots of unimportant things to discuss after Sheek's departure I see
Quote from: wadesworld on April 23, 2026, 12:14:33 PMExcept in the history of Scoop only one player has been (at least commonly) referred to by their number.
But sure.
I cannot be more clear - jabbing at dorks. Not insulting 18
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 23, 2026, 01:39:37 PMI'll admit, it is also new. Never heard it before!
Glad you said "heard". At first glance, I thought you might have written "had". ;D
Quote from: panda on April 23, 2026, 01:44:10 PMI cannot be more clear - jabbing at dorks. Not insulting 18
Very cool.
What other player is refered to by their number? Wade? Never heard anyone on here say "3 is in attendance"
Or whatever else.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 23, 2026, 11:44:02 AMScrew that, I'm grabbing Tarris Reed Jr and Jaden Bradley if seniors get a 5th year.
Will chip in more for this.
It's clearly derogatory. Something a snowflake dork would come up with.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 23, 2026, 03:35:53 PMIt's clearly derogatory. Soemthing a snowflake dork would come up with.
why
Quote from: Johnny B on April 23, 2026, 03:33:57 PMWhat other player is refered to by their number? Wade? Never heard anyone on here say "3 is in attendance"
Or whatever else.
Wad3 is here to watch 5now Dog5 (for you 30 Rock fans)
Quote from: Johnny B on April 23, 2026, 03:33:57 PMWhat other player is refered to by their number? Wade? Never heard anyone on here say "3 is in attendance"
Or whatever else.
I don't know because I'm not familiar with the word "refered".
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 23, 2026, 03:57:29 PMI don't know because I'm not familiar with the word "refered".
It's a relatively new one.
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He definitely won't be watching that.
Nm
I think instead of 18. He should be called "Minus 17". Because that is what he was in the Xavier game.
The level of obsession and anger some Scoopers have about a basketball player is a little scary.
I agree that MU fans shouldn't be extraordinarily critical of a player that is trying his best and is miscast by his coach.
But stating facts is not scary. His plus minus is scary.
I'm not sure who the back up center will be but if you like MU basketbal, it better not be Caedin as the backup if you want to have the best basketball team on the floor possible next year.
People can act like this is an inevitability but it does not have to be. And that is the point. They have the ability to do better. Hopefully they will.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on April 23, 2026, 07:55:53 PMI agree that MU fans shouldn't be extraordinarily critical of a player that is trying his best and is miscast by his coach.
But stating facts is not scary. His plus minus is scary.
I'm not sure who the back up center will be but if you like MU basketbal, it better not be Caedin as the backup if you want to have the best basketball team on the floor possible next year.
People can act like this is an inevitability but it does not have to be. And that is the point. They have the ability to do better. Hopefully they will.
There's maybe two posters who are arguing we're in okay shape at the 5. What rational people are arguing is that having Hamilton on the roster is not preventing us from being okay at the 5.
Quote from: MU82 on April 23, 2026, 07:04:30 PMThe level of obsession and anger some Scoopers have about a basketball player is a little scary.
Agreed. Angriest of them all:
Quote from: The Sultan on April 21, 2026, 09:38:54 PMIf you think Sheek left because of Caedin, you are a f*cking moron. An absolute dumba$$, f*cking moron.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 23, 2026, 08:14:02 PMAgreed. Angriest of them all:
Not angry. Exceedingly correct though.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 23, 2026, 08:13:11 PMThere's maybe two posters who are arguing we're in okay shape at the 5. What rational people are arguing is that having Hamilton on the roster is not preventing us from being okay at the 5.
I agree with this completely. I think some people are blurring the lines.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 23, 2026, 08:15:16 PMNot angry. Exceedingly correct though.
I never disagreed with you on that point, but you let the anger get the best of you. Maybe relax a bit, it's just a message board.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 23, 2026, 08:17:00 PMI never disagreed with you on that point, but you let the anger get the best of you. Maybe relax a bit, it's just a message board.
I wasn't angry. I was correct. You were wrong. But you're used to that.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 23, 2026, 08:21:21 PMI wasn't angry. I was correct. You were wrong. But you're used to that.
Do you have a reading comprehension problem? I never said Sheek left because of Hamilton. In your anger, you must've confused me with someone else.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on April 23, 2026, 07:55:53 PMI'm not sure who the back up center will be but if you like MU basketbal, it better not be Caedin as the backup if you want to have the best basketball team on the floor possible next year.
There are many people (ir)rationalizing our backup center for next year. It's kinda funny.
I'm not sure I've seen a single person that's comfortable with Hamilton or Clark as the backup 5.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 23, 2026, 09:07:35 PMI'm not sure I've seen a single person that's comfortable with Hamilton or Clark as the backup 5.
Evidence #1
Quote from: hawk on April 23, 2026, 04:15:55 PMIf the actual topic here is what to do with the last 2 roster spots, my guess would be a backup point guard and a backup power foreward. If you assume the starters are Parham, James, Stevens, Fru and say Owens I would ask who is the combo guard to fill in minutes for James and who is the combo power forward to backup Parham? There are five guys to fill in for Owens and Stevens and two guys to backup Fru. If Fru can be a swichable 5/4 that would work but I don't a point guard or a swichable 2/1 unless it is Walker or Minessale.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 23, 2026, 09:07:35 PMI'm not sure I've seen a single person that's comfortable with Hamilton or Clark as the backup 5.
Evidence #2
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 22, 2026, 04:17:16 PMLet's say Fru averages 28 mpg. You honestly believe that Hamilton and Clark can't cover 12 minutes between them?
Oh so Hamilton "can't play" because he missed some bunnies at the rim? Or maybe got lost in a defensive rotation or two? Sure, he didn't perform up to Shaka's hype of him. We all
know he busts his a$$ and maybe is a bit confident and amped at times. I'd prefer that to unsure of himself, scared, and sulking around pouting about things not going his way on the court.
And Clark has "a long way to go". Can you think of something that was once difficult in your life until it wasn't. Something that confounded you and then you worked at it until it became so easy? Not trying to sound like Dodds here, but I have a lot of faith that these guys will get better.
And for dear sakes, Trevor Powell became a very, very good player by his JR year. His first couple years, he could barely catch an entry pass into the post. And yet there was a ton of buzz about his talents out of HS. He lived up to it in his last two years.
Cut these guys some slack!! Stop with the "18" references in lieu of his name. Some of you have coached and should know better. It's Caedin freaking Hamilton, and he's family, business or not. And maybe I just watched the wrong couple games, but I saw Josh Clark really running the floor well for his height and even blocking a few shots pretty naturally. Omg he was out of position a couple times on D 😱 during his FR season!
I'm sorry if I focused on one poster here, as I do "get" his logical concerns. I'm just tired of hearing the sky is falling 24/7 regarding Hamilton & Clark. I really think Clark is going to be very good, and I think Caedin will be more than adequate. We're talking about 15 minutes max between them. Let's find out what they're made of.
Scoop is performance art.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 23, 2026, 09:51:30 PMScoop is performance art.
I prefer AI art compared to this flavor.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 23, 2026, 09:51:30 PMScoop is performance art.
Or, defend your position! It shouldn't be hard.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on April 23, 2026, 10:53:48 AMSo, if this passes, could MU fill out its roster by bringing back Ben and Chase?
SLU could bring back Avilla too
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 23, 2026, 09:34:37 PMEvidence #2
I'm not sure I've seen a reasonable person make that claim.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on April 23, 2026, 10:18:13 PMI'm not sure I've seen a reasonable person make that claim.
Sir, this is an Arby's.
Ok. Let me be clear. This board is a 24/7 clown show of entitled smacked asses that feel the sky is falling because a young man who never played one minute in an MU jersey decided to take a bag 💰. BTW he's still somewhat skinny, and the jury is still out if he can play meaningful minutes at a Big East or comparable p5 level.
Meanwhile the two backup centers who actually have played minutes would slot in for only approximately 20% of time available at the 5, and people here are collectively losing their minds.
I'll defend my position again by saying Josh Clark will be a very good Center as early as next season. Caedin will be serviceable as well. Predictions like these are hard to back up when up until this point the opposite has been the case. I'm betting both of these guys will be significantly better in '26-27. Maybe I'm the only person here that believes in them. Good. F all y'all.
I love how maybe two or three people saw the problems with last year's team, and yet now everyone on this board is acting like it was glaringly obvious before the season.
95% of the people on this board have never coached a day of basketball in their lives, but think it's OK to go beyond normal criticism and denigrate young men who are giving everything they have to represent Marquette. I'm sick of and tired of it. You're an embarrassment to Marquette.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 23, 2026, 10:25:11 PMYou're an embarrassment to Marquette.
Tl;dr
But, thank you. We're not exactly going for embarrassment, but after almost 20 years, I think we've nailed "establishment".
For darters:
Art Smart's Dart Mart. 🎯
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 23, 2026, 10:25:11 PMOk. Let me be clear. This board is a 24/7 clown show of entitled smacked asses that feel the sky is falling because a young man who never played one minute in an MU jersey decided to take a bag 💰. BTW he's still somewhat skinny, and the jury is still out if he can play meaningful minutes at a Big East or comparable p5 level.
Meanwhile the two backup centers who actually have played minutes would slot in for only approximately 20% of time available at the 5, and people here are collectively losing their minds.
I'll defend my position again by saying Josh Clark will be a very good Center as early as next season. Caedin will be serviceable as well. Predictions like these are hard to back up when up until this point the opposite has been the case. I'm betting both of these guys will be significantly better in '26-27. Maybe I'm the only person here that believes in them. Good. F all y'all.
I love how maybe two or three people saw the problems with last year's team, and yet now everyone on this board is acting like it was glaringly obvious before the season.
95% of the people on this board have never coached a day of basketball in their lives, but think it's OK to go beyond normal criticism and denigrate young men who are giving everything they have to represent Marquette. I'm sick of and tired of it. You're an embarrassment to Marquette.
you think Slenderman is going to be a "very good center" as early as the start of next season?
Who is your dealer? He's got the good stuff.
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 23, 2026, 10:31:51 PMyou think Slenderman is going to be a "very good center" as early as the start of next season?
Who is your dealer? He's got the good stuff.
I guess I watched the wrong games. I saw a guy who could run the floor and had some sweet swats. I think you can work with him and he will be a productive backup5. Yes.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 23, 2026, 10:25:11 PMOk. Let me be clear. This board is a 24/7 clown show of entitled smacked asses that feel the sky is falling because a young man who never played one minute in an MU jersey decided to take a bag 💰. BTW he's still somewhat skinny, and the jury is still out if he can play meaningful minutes at a Big East or comparable p5 level.
Meanwhile the two backup centers who actually have played minutes would slot in for only approximately 20% of time available at the 5, and people here are collectively losing their minds.
I'll defend my position again by saying Josh Clark will be a very good Center as early as next season. Caedin will be serviceable as well. Predictions like these are hard to back up when up until this point the opposite has been the case. I'm betting both of these guys will be significantly better in '26-27. Maybe I'm the only person here that believes in them. Good. F all y'all.
I love how maybe two or three people saw the problems with last year's team, and yet now everyone on this board is acting like it was glaringly obvious before the season.
95% of the people on this board have never coached a day of basketball in their lives, but think it's OK to go beyond normal criticism and denigrate young men who are giving everything they have to represent Marquette. I'm sick of and tired of it. You're an embarrassment to Marquette.
Its a clown show and looks like youre the main act with this take mr self righteous.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 23, 2026, 10:35:07 PMI guess I watched the wrong games. I saw a guy who could run the floor and had some sweet swats. I think you can work with him and he will be a productive backup5. Yes.
If Josh Clark is truly our backup big for next season, I'm riding the poverty franchise train the entire season.
Quote from: Johnny B on April 23, 2026, 10:35:48 PMIts a clown show and looks like youre the main act with this take mr self righteous.
I'm just venting. Wasn't trying to exalt myself. Maybe a little projecting on my part as I'm a dementia caregiver for someone with extreme agitation and Alzheimer's and my patient today and tonight was exceedingly difficult to deal with. I apologize for my rant. It wasn't meant as a personal attack on anyone in particular. There are a lot of very intelligent takes on this board. I just get discouraged reading some of the broken-record criticism of young men trying to rep MU.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 23, 2026, 10:45:59 PMI just get discouraged reading some of the broken-record criticism of young men trying to rep MU.
If you get discouraged by broken-record criticism and unintelligent comments, this message board is probably not for you. God forbid you run into willie.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 23, 2026, 10:45:59 PMI'm just venting. Wasn't trying to exalt myself. Maybe a little projecting on my part as I'm a dementia caregiver for someone with extreme agitation and Alzheimer's and my patient today and tonight was exceedingly difficult to deal with.
That is excusable. Most here is just venting.
@Vander Blue Man Group asked for examples and you came up.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 23, 2026, 10:55:39 PMThat is excusable. Most here is just venting. @Vander Blue Man Group asked for examples and you came up.
There is no humility with that group of folks, unfortunately.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on April 23, 2026, 11:28:20 PMThere is no humility with that group of folks, unfortunately.
I assume you're talking about those in the dementia group?
Unfortunately most in the US are dealing with that.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 23, 2026, 11:32:02 PMI assume you're talking about those in the dementia group?
Unfortunately most in the US are dealing with that.
It's a rough road. Lot of folks who won't admit that having bad players on the team is a bad idea. But whatever.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 23, 2026, 11:32:02 PMI assume you're talking about those in the dementia group?
Unfortunately most in the US are dealing with that.
You keep this up, you're gunna have to ban yourself! 8-)
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 24, 2026, 12:30:28 AMYou keep this up, you're gunna have to ban yourself! 8-)
? Our elders deserve our sympathy.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 23, 2026, 10:25:11 PMOk. Let me be clear. This board is a 24/7 clown show of entitled smacked asses that feel the sky is falling because a young man who never played one minute in an MU jersey decided to take a bag 💰. BTW he's still somewhat skinny, and the jury is still out if he can play meaningful minutes at a Big East or comparable p5 level.
Meanwhile the two backup centers who actually have played minutes would slot in for only approximately 20% of time available at the 5, and people here are collectively losing their minds.
I'll defend my position again by saying Josh Clark will be a very good Center as early as next season. Caedin will be serviceable as well. Predictions like these are hard to back up when up until this point the opposite has been the case. I'm betting both of these guys will be significantly better in '26-27. Maybe I'm the only person here that believes in them. Good. F all y'all.
I love how maybe two or three people saw the problems with last year's team, and yet now everyone on this board is acting like it was glaringly obvious before the season.
95% of the people on this board have never coached a day of basketball in their lives, but think it's OK to go beyond normal criticism and denigrate young men who are giving everything they have to represent Marquette. I'm sick of and tired of it. You're an embarrassment to Marquette.
#silentmajority
I do think there's a case that can be made for Josh Clark to be a serviceable backup. I'll caveat this by saying I really hope the staff uses a scholarship on a backup big because Fru had trouble staying on the court at times and I don't love going in with our current bench bigs, but the statistical profile is there to defend the idea of Clark becoming a viable 10-15 mpg player.
Clark's offensive efficiency of 100.9 certainly was perfectly average. Not great, not terrible. He's a low usage guy who turned the ball over once all season. He's a good offensive rebounder. Josh needs to improve around the rim, and would really benefit from a dunks and nothing else mindset, but he's not going to kill you with his offense.
Defensively, he put up very good shot-blocking and defensive rebounding numbers. He was a bit lost at times, but another year and having a season of experience should help that. In terms of the advanced defensive numbers, he has the fourth best returning DBPR and second best DRAPM.
Overall, Clark was a net positive BPR and RAPM player. His per/40 averages of 9.8 ppg and 14.0 rpg were impressive. Per EvanMiya, he had the best Adjusted Team Efficiency Margin (+14.7) and the third best +/- on the team. I don't think he's a star, I'd feel much better with a bit of a more proven bench option, but as Al said, the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores. It's not crazy to think that in his sophomore year, Clark could be a positive and reliable bench piece.
If Josh finds some confidence, watch out.
I'm not going to lie, I've now seen two separate videos/pictures of Clark shooting from 3 in workouts and just think that every 3 he takes is a waste of a rep at something he might actually attempt in a competitive basketball game in his life.
If he develops enough to play after Marquette, it won't be because he developed a 3 point shot in college. Let him figure that out after his time at Marquette.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 23, 2026, 10:35:07 PMI guess I watched the wrong games. I saw a guy who could run the floor and had some sweet swats. I think you can work with him and he will be a productive backup5. Yes.
18 is ahead of him. #SparklyEyes
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2026, 06:19:06 AMI do think there's a case that can be made for Josh Clark to be a serviceable backup.
I don't think he's a star, I'd feel much better with a bit of a more proven bench option, but as Al said, the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores. It's not crazy to think that in his sophomore year, Clark could be a positive and reliable bench piece.
My eye test results were that he has terrific athleticism but poor reaction time with his hands, especially noticeable with rebounding and catching quicker passes. Definitely worth keeping on the roster in the hopes he will improve but capable back up center is probably the ceiling. (Looking forward to being wrong about this.)
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Quote from: Jay Bee on April 24, 2026, 07:28:28 AM18 is ahead of him. #SparklyEyes
all this talk about 18....
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I still have hope that Josh can turn into a solid backup center. Big men take longer to develop and he's raw but has a lot going for him. He's not a hulking 7-footer by any stretch. If the game slows down for him (like it does for most college players) then he can be a piece. I just don't see him as anything more than a backup big short-term or long-term but his physical tools will be useful. If he gives us 15 minutes of quality rim protection and lob threat, then that's a win.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2026, 06:19:06 AMI do think there's a case that can be made for Josh Clark to be a serviceable backup. I'll caveat this by saying I really hope the staff uses a scholarship on a backup big because Fru had trouble staying on the court at times and I don't love going in with our current bench bigs, but the statistical profile is there to defend the idea of Clark becoming a viable 10-15 mpg player.
Clark's offensive efficiency of 100.9 certainly was perfectly average. Not great, not terrible. He's a low usage guy who turned the ball over once all season. He's a good offensive rebounder. Josh needs to improve around the rim, and would really benefit from a dunks and nothing else mindset, but he's not going to kill you with his offense.
Defensively, he put up very good shot-blocking and defensive rebounding numbers. He was a bit lost at times, but another year and having a season of experience should help that. In terms of the advanced defensive numbers, he has the fourth best returning DBPR and second best DRAPM.
Overall, Clark was a net positive BPR and RAPM player. His per/40 averages of 9.8 ppg and 14.0 rpg were impressive. Per EvanMiya, he had the best Adjusted Team Efficiency Margin (+14.7) and the third best +/- on the team. I don't think he's a star, I'd feel much better with a bit of a more proven bench option, but as Al said, the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores. It's not crazy to think that in his sophomore year, Clark could be a positive and reliable bench piece.
What a thoughtful, forward-looking and fact-based arguement. Thank you.
Oh boy, the rationalizations have started. Not a good sign.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on April 23, 2026, 10:25:11 PMbut think it's OK to go beyond normal criticism and denigrate young men who are giving everything they have to represent Marquette. I'm sick of and tired of it. You're an embarrassment to Marquette.
Just need to chime in here, Marquette has an extremely proud tradition. Not everyone should have the right to represent that tradition on the court. I'm 5'8" and can't jump for crap. If I gave everything I had to represent Marquette that's great but I'd hope everyone on this board would question the coach's decision. As long as people aren't hating on Caedin (or Josh or whomever else) as a person/student then I see no issue with denigrating their basketball skills nor the decision to play them. As it's no different than if coach decided to recruit anyone else to represent a tradition that's above their skill level.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2026, 06:19:06 AMI do think there's a case that can be made for Josh Clark to be a serviceable backup. I'll caveat this by saying I really hope the staff uses a scholarship on a backup big because Fru had trouble staying on the court at times and I don't love going in with our current bench bigs, but the statistical profile is there to defend the idea of Clark becoming a viable 10-15 mpg player.
Clark's offensive efficiency of 100.9 certainly was perfectly average. Not great, not terrible. He's a low usage guy who turned the ball over once all season. He's a good offensive rebounder. Josh needs to improve around the rim, and would really benefit from a dunks and nothing else mindset, but he's not going to kill you with his offense.
Defensively, he put up very good shot-blocking and defensive rebounding numbers. He was a bit lost at times, but another year and having a season of experience should help that. In terms of the advanced defensive numbers, he has the fourth best returning DBPR and second best DRAPM.
Overall, Clark was a net positive BPR and RAPM player. His per/40 averages of 9.8 ppg and 14.0 rpg were impressive. Per EvanMiya, he had the best Adjusted Team Efficiency Margin (+14.7) and the third best +/- on the team. I don't think he's a star, I'd feel much better with a bit of a more proven bench option, but as Al said, the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores. It's not crazy to think that in his sophomore year, Clark could be a positive and reliable bench piece.
I am a believer in Clark that he can turn into a serviceable big over the next 3 years. His length caused problems for opponents. Unfortunately, our defensive scheme didn't suite him well. That is on coaching. He had a hard time finishing around the rim and was bullied down low. Getting stronger will help a lot.
Heading into next year, he should be third off the bench at the 5. Getting 5-7 minutes a game.
Hamilton is in the same boat as Clark for next year. He should be third off the bench at the 5, not the top backup. Clark has more upside being younger and taller. You can't have 2 project bigs that at present time, project as the main backups at the 5. That is again on the coaching staff.
We need a legit backup 5 for next year. Hopefully the staff can find an international player or a mid-major big who would be happy to play 10-15 minutes a game on a NCAA tourny team.
Soooooo
No news or rumors about anyone we are talking to or in discussions with?
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 24, 2026, 09:09:58 AMOh boy, the rationalizations have started. Not a good sign.
Oh boy, the crying started a month ago. Just normal scoop things.
It's April. We don't roll balls out on the court for SEVEN months. No one said the team is done adding players. Hell, you could be Seton Hall or some other school that has like one or two players committed right now.
Calm down, Chicken Little.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 24, 2026, 09:37:18 AMSoooooo
No news or rumors about anyone we are talking to or in discussions with?
Trilly speculated things would grind to a halt with the 5-in-5 rule possibly getting approved here shortly opening up a large pool of players.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on April 24, 2026, 09:40:25 AMTrilly speculated things would grind to a halt with the 5-in-5 rule possibly getting approved here shortly opening up a large pool of players.
Yeah. Agree. Like, if we could get a Trimble or other player of that caliber, you do it.
If this gets announced I bet we see almost zero portal activity for a few days.
Prediction: SLU bails on Sheek by bringing Avila back - MU makes him sweat by exploring other options but opts to bring him back
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2026, 06:19:06 AMI do think there's a case that can be made for Josh Clark to be a serviceable backup.
At practice before the UCONN game, the most heard refrains out of Shaka's mouth were
"Mike - run up to 106" when MPII missed a defensive assignment or lost the handle
and even more frequently
"Josh, I can't play you if you don't do _______"
mostly missed placement on Defense
It seemed that the message got through to MPII, but questionable if it got through to Josh
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 24, 2026, 09:59:51 AMIf this gets announced I bet we see almost zero portal activity for a few days.
Prediction: SLU bails on Sheek by bringing Avila back - MU makes him sweat by exploring other options but opts to bring him back
Is it believed that SLU is the front runner for him?
Yeah that's the rumor. He's from the area and Schertz is portaling for a new center (like literally everyone else)
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on April 24, 2026, 10:04:32 AMIs it believed that SLU is the front runner for him?
They were the one tampering, reaching out to his agent and family and offering him $2 million to transfer to SLU, and he had a no-contact designation put on his portal profile, so, yeah.
100% guess by me, Shaka doesn't replace Sheek with a 5. I foresee a back-up pg coming in as the last piece to this years portal class. Shaka will roll with Fru, Hamilton and Clark, counting on the rest of the guys improving YOY, along with contributions from Minessale, Egbuonu and Walker. We might get smoked at Michigan in November, but we'll beat Gard in December, and by January playing well. I do believe this is a 4-6 place team in the BE. Tournament team?...rimming.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 24, 2026, 09:40:06 AMOh boy, the crying started a month ago. Just normal scoop things.
It's April. We don't roll balls out on the court for SEVEN months. No one said the team is done adding players. Hell, you could be Seton Hall or some other school that has like one or two players committed right now.
Calm down, Chicken Little.
What was it about my post that got you so upset? You have the temperament of a 6 year old. Very bizarre.
Quote from: Tha Hound on April 24, 2026, 11:23:14 AMWhat was it about my post that got you so upset? You have the temperament of a 6 year old. Very bizarre.
Nothing upset me about your post.
You're being a baby. Calm down.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 24, 2026, 11:25:18 AMNothing upset me about your post.
You're being a baby. Calm down.
https://x.com/dril/status/549425182767861760
I'm more sold on Clark than Hamilton just because of his length, but he really needs to up his conditioning and motor to be more impactful. I noticed a few posters mention his athleticism, but he seems more lumbering than I imagined.
If more players are available after a decision, does MU have the means to get said guys after spending on Fru/Nolan?
????????
What about my post indicated that I was upset?
I was heavily mocking you directly because you're being weird.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on April 24, 2026, 02:26:55 AM@MUCam knows
TL;DR People passionate. People yelling at players. People yelling at people yelling at players. Lots of people insinuating they knows. I knows.
Quote from: Big Papi on April 24, 2026, 09:30:44 AMI am a believer in Clark that he can turn into a serviceable big over the next 3 years. His length caused problems for opponents. Unfortunately, our defensive scheme didn't suite him well. That is on coaching. He had a hard time finishing around the rim and was bullied down low. Getting stronger will help a lot.
Heading into next year, he should be third off the bench at the 5. Getting 5-7 minutes a game.
Hamilton is in the same boat as Clark for next year. He should be third off the bench at the 5, not the top backup. Clark has more upside being younger and taller. You can't have 2 project bigs that at present time, project as the main backups at the 5. That is again on the coaching staff.
We need a legit backup 5 for next year. Hopefully the staff can find an international player or a mid-major big who would be happy to play 10-15 minutes a game on a NCAA tourny team.
So BOTH Clark and Hamilton should be 3rd off the bench.......
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 24, 2026, 11:57:04 AMSo BOTH Clark and Hamilton should be 3rd off the bench.......
Makes sense to me, because scoopers keep posting about them as a pair. Clarkham sounds like a good surname.
Whenever a player or coach leaves Marquette, my reaction is always indifference, and, next player up, next recruit, next coach. It's nothing bad or good, just matter of fact, on to the next.
With that said, it's difficult to not notice the quantity of Sheek threads and posts. For those that care, the first time around, he visited the following schools (in order) before committing to Marquette:
Missouri, Saint Louis, Illinois, Marquette, DePaul, Purdue.
Saint Louis is seeking two bigs in the portal due to the departure of Avila and Otieno. They landed one from Colorado, who is more of Avila's role. They also tried for both Scharnowski (Belmont to Duke), and Giltay (Stanford to UConn) who took visits. They are still seeking a rim protector rebounder. They will be one of many that reach out to Sheek.
Also of note, his friend and teammate, Jamo White (Jahidi's son), de-committed from Penn State. His other former teammate, Quentin Coleman, recently de-committed from Wake Forest, and he committed to Illinois.
There are plenty of other bigs out there for Marquette to recruit and develop.
True, there are others. But a bird in hand with a year in the system would be nice.
Michigan lands 7-foot-2 Cincinnati Transfer Moustapha Thiam. Michigan previously added 6'11" JP Estrella from Tennessee.
Any "new news" no pun intended on Transfers
On where Allen Graves Power Forward Transferring from Santa Clara goes or Arizona State's Center Diop.
Would like to get Sheek back if there was any Saint Louis tampering
Mrs Janowski said to me she always would love to have Nick Janowski think about coming back home to play for one of the D1 teams - MU being one
of them
NM
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2026, 06:19:06 AMI do think there's a case that can be made for Josh Clark to be a serviceable backup. I'll caveat this by saying I really hope the staff uses a scholarship on a backup big because Fru had trouble staying on the court at times and I don't love going in with our current bench bigs, but the statistical profile is there to defend the idea of Clark becoming a viable 10-15 mpg player.
Clark's offensive efficiency of 100.9 certainly was perfectly average. Not great, not terrible. He's a low usage guy who turned the ball over once all season. He's a good offensive rebounder. Josh needs to improve around the rim, and would really benefit from a dunks and nothing else mindset, but he's not going to kill you with his offense.
Defensively, he put up very good shot-blocking and defensive rebounding numbers. He was a bit lost at times, but another year and having a season of experience should help that. In terms of the advanced defensive numbers, he has the fourth best returning DBPR and second best DRAPM.
Overall, Clark was a net positive BPR and RAPM player. His per/40 averages of 9.8 ppg and 14.0 rpg were impressive. Per EvanMiya, he had the best Adjusted Team Efficiency Margin (+14.7) and the third best +/- on the team. I don't think he's a star, I'd feel much better with a bit of a more proven bench option, but as Al said, the best thing about freshmen is they become sophomores. It's not crazy to think that in his sophomore year, Clark could be a positive and reliable bench piece.
How impactful are any of those stats for a guy who barely played the majority of the season?
Quote from: panda on April 24, 2026, 04:04:41 PMHow impactful are any of those stats for a guy who barely played the majority of the season?
They are tempo free stats so it shows what happened when he was on the court, whether it was for 2 minutes or 20. But when guys don't play a ton of minutes, I think the ones that do end up panning out positively tend to have good results from those limited minutes.
I always felt like the Bo Ryan bigs were good test cases because they were usually 4 year (often plus redshirt) players that stayed in one system. Jon Leuer, Frank Kaminsky, & Jared Berggren all started pretty well and finished great. Jason Chappell, Aaron Moesch, and Evan Anderson started not good and stayed not good.
Who knows what happens with Clark, but I'd rather have a guy that I can make a defensible mathematical case for than one who doesn't really have any numeric positives in their favor.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2026, 04:30:22 PMThey are tempo free stats so it shows what happened when he was on the court, whether it was for 2 minutes or 20. But when guys don't play a ton of minutes, I think the ones that do end up panning out positively tend to have good results from those limited minutes.
I always felt like the Bo Ryan bigs were good test cases because they were usually 4 year (often plus redshirt) players that stayed in one system. Jon Leuer, Frank Kaminsky, & Jared Berggren all started pretty well and finished great. Jason Chappell, Aaron Moesch, and Evan Anderson started not good and stayed not good.
Who knows what happens with Clark, but I'd rather have a guy that I can make a defensible mathematical case for than one who doesn't really have any numeric positives in their favor.
Sure - I do not believe any of those numbers would remain at a remotely respectable rate if he was playing 8-15 minutes/game consistently. He could barely get on or stay on the court in the second half of the season. Horrible trend.
Quote from: panda on April 24, 2026, 04:37:09 PMSure - I do not believe any of those numbers would remain at a remotely respectable rate if he was playing 8-15 minutes/game consistently. He could barely get on or stay on the court in the second half of the season. Horrible trend.
Everyone knows how you feel.
Quote from: withoutbias on April 24, 2026, 04:37:51 PMEveryone knows how you feel.
Ultimately he doesn't have that dog in him. You can't quantify lack of want to and Clark doesn't have it
Quote from: panda on April 24, 2026, 04:37:09 PMSure - I do not believe any of those numbers would remain at a remotely respectable rate if he was playing 8-15 minutes/game consistently. He could barely get on or stay on the court in the second half of the season. Horrible trend.
Maybe, maybe not. The fact of the matter is when he was on the court, Marquette played well. I would also point out that his best game of the season was on the road against the eventual runners-up UConn when he went for 6 points/6 boards/2 steals in 13 minutes.
I would say that is more than remotely respectable. Again, I'm not looking for him to be a star. But saying that he will bomb if given 10-15 mpg doesn't really have any statistical evidence behind it, and there are legitimate reasons to believe that with improved conditioning and defensive positioning (both things that tend to improve with experience) he could be a positive contributor.
Nick Janowski committed to Davidson about 2 hours ago. Think From Pewaukee To Nebraska To Saint Thomas To Davidson.
Quote from: We R Final Four on April 24, 2026, 11:57:04 AMSo BOTH Clark and Hamilton should be 3rd off the bench.......
I am saying neither is a legit backup this upcoming year and it sucks we don't have a legit backup at the moment. Both should be a third option. We don't need 2 players that are the third option. One of them should really go. I would keep Josh.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 24, 2026, 02:05:19 PMMrs Janowski said to me she always would love to have Nick Janowski think about coming back home to play for one of the D1 teams - MU being one of them
If so it'll have to be next year, he committed to Davidson about 30 minutes after this post.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2026, 04:45:26 PMMaybe, maybe not. The fact of the matter is when he was on the court, Marquette played well. I would also point out that his best game of the season was on the road against the eventual runners-up UConn when he went for 6 points/6 boards/2 steals in 13 minutes.
I would say that is more than remotely respectable. Again, I'm not looking for him to be a star. But saying that he will bomb if given 10-15 mpg doesn't really have any statistical evidence behind it, and there are legitimate reasons to believe that with improved conditioning and defensive positioning (both things that tend to improve with experience) he could be a positive contributor.
He scored 6 points the rest of the season. Playing time was wide open and he never came remotely close to seizing more clock.
Not sure how you can ignore his invisible second half of the season when putting out those stats.
Quote from: panda on April 24, 2026, 07:16:36 PMHe scored 6 points the rest of the season. Playing time was wide open and he never came remotely close to seizing more clock.
Not sure how you can ignore his invisible second half of the season when putting out those stats.
I'm not ignoring it. It's part of the sample size. I have said repeatedly I would like to see them add another big. I wrote an article for Cracked Sidewalks about that today.
But at the same time, I'm not going to ignore that there were positive takeaways with Clark and that inexperienced freshmen can develop into productive players with experience, conditioning, and development.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2026, 07:37:08 PMI'm not ignoring it. It's part of the sample size. I have said repeatedly I would like to see them add another big. I wrote an article for Cracked Sidewalks about that today.
But at the same time, I'm not going to ignore that there were positive takeaways with Clark and that inexperienced freshmen can develop into productive players with experience, conditioning, and development.
Agree to disagree - look hard enough and you can find positives but the very obvious shows he struggled mightily all season long to find any footing whatsoever.
Quote from: Big Papi on April 24, 2026, 04:54:33 PMI am saying neither is a legit backup this upcoming year and it sucks we don't have a legit backup at the moment.
Shaka disagrees with you.
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 24, 2026, 04:45:26 PMMaybe, maybe not. The fact of the matter is when he was on the court, Marquette played well. I would also point out that his best game of the season was on the road against the eventual runners-up UConn when he went for 6 points/6 boards/2 steals in 13 minutes.
I would say that is more than remotely respectable. Again, I'm not looking for him to be a star. But saying that he will bomb if given 10-15 mpg doesn't really have any statistical evidence behind it, and there are legitimate reasons to believe that with improved conditioning and defensive positioning (both things that tend to improve with experience) he could be a positive contributor.
imo Shaka feels the same...'there are legitimate reasons to believe that with improved conditioning and defensive positioning (both things that tend to improve with experience) he could be a positive contributor.'
Quote from: withoutbias on April 24, 2026, 04:37:51 PMEveryone knows how you feel.
Ohhh he's appeared.
Just asking, is 10:32 pm central time an approved time to have a beer and a joint?
Quote from: #UnleashThePortal on April 24, 2026, 10:33:24 PMOhhh he's appeared.
Just asking, is 10:32 pm central time an approved time to have a beer and a joint?
Look, just because weed is on a new schedule doesnt mean we gotta schedule our weed times.
I posted this on wrong thread earlier
South Carolina transfer forward Elijah Strong (6-8, 250) has committed to SLU, according to a source. He averaged 10 points, 2.3 rebounds in 32 games last season. He previously played 2 years at Boston College.
Hope Sheek comes back to Marquette University
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 26, 2026, 08:21:21 PMI posted this on wrong thread earlier
South Carolina transfer forward Elijah Strong (6-8, 250) has committed to SLU, according to a source. He averaged 10 points, 2.3 rebounds in 32 games last season. He previously played 2 years at Boston College.
Hope Sheek comes back to Marquette University
I would guess Sheek knew all about this before committing.
Sheek may or may not go to SLU, but, they will save a spot for him if he wants to go there. Other schools have interest in Sheek too.
SLU returned 9. They added 2 front court players so far in the portal, and, they have 1 incoming Freshmen.
Sheek would have a spot if he wants it. They are also recruiting other bigs as well including a 7 footer from France. It may take away an additional guard spot they wanted with Brown's departure. But their priority is still bigs this cycle. The price for bigs has gone up a lot.
They are not currently recruiting with the strategy of saving 2 spots for Avila and Brown, until that change took place. Those would be the 2 they would want back. Schertz is usually dialed into the rule changes ahead of time/anticipatory of them.
In either scenario, Sheek would have a spot there if he wanted to go there.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 27, 2026, 08:47:35 AMSheek may or may not go to SLU, but, they will save a spot for him if he wants to go there. Other schools have interest in Sheek too.
Not trying to give you a hard time, but please explain. Speculation or specific landing places?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 27, 2026, 09:01:51 AMNot trying to give you a hard time, but please explain. Speculation or specific landing places?
I am saying Sheek is being contacted by other schools since entering the portal. He has always had interest in more than just 2
Schools. Several posts seem to imply that only 2 schools are in the mix, or have a chance.
Yes, SLU is actively recruiting Sheek, and, they would have a spot for him regardless of other roster construction. It's very possible he will end up there as soon as this week. But, it is not a 100% either or situation. He's also going to talk with other schools too.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 27, 2026, 09:27:24 AMI am saying Sheek is being contacted by other schools since entering the portal. He has always had interest in more than just 2
Schools. Several posts seem to imply that only 2 schools are in the mix, or have a chance.
Yes, SLU is actively recruiting Sheek, and, they would have a spot for him regardless of other roster construction. It's very possible he will end up there as soon as this week. But, it is not a 100% either or situation. He's also going to talk with other schools too.
SLU would have a roster spot, but would they still be willing to pay the same amount of money that initially lured Sheek into the portal? And would these other schools be willing to pay him that much as well?
Quote from: Tarragona on April 27, 2026, 09:27:24 AMI am saying Sheek is being contacted by other schools since entering the portal.
Schools would never disrespect the do not contact tag!
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 27, 2026, 09:46:48 AMSchools would never disrespect the do not contact tag!
This is correct. There are rules to the portal and not following them lead to grave consequences for the schools breaking them.
Quote from: Litehouse on April 27, 2026, 09:38:23 AMSLU would have a roster spot, but would they still be willing to pay the same amount of money that initially lured Sheek into the portal? And would these other schools be willing to pay him that much as well?
If SLU is actively still recruiting Sheek today, and they are, then they are aware of the costs involved vs what they have already spent on their roster. In other words, after adding two front court portal players already, plus returning 9 roster players, and adding 2 Freshmen, SLU has not decreased their level of interest for, or recruitment of, Sheek.
That doesn't mean they will land Sheek. But I would he very surprised if SLU did not add at least 1 more big this cycle.and they are aware of the costs involved for Sheek and for others.
SLU also wants to add a player that can "replace" Dion Brown. If push comes to shove and they cannot do both, their preference is a big because they are more comfortable with their returning guards than bigs. They idealistically want to do both.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 27, 2026, 10:15:13 AMSLU has not decreased their level of interest for, or recruitment of, Sheek.
How do you know?
Quote from: MU82 on April 27, 2026, 11:03:50 AMHow do you know?
I hope you get a complete answer to your question. I didn't.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 27, 2026, 11:47:08 AMI hope you get a complete answer to your question. I didn't.
Sometimes we don't always get what we want in life. I tried.
I would encourage anyone to always consider a source or sources of information. And I would also encourage anyone to keep track for reliability purposes.
In other words, you don't know. Thanks!
Quote from: Tarragona on April 27, 2026, 11:56:54 AMSometimes we don't always get what we want in life. I tried.
I would encourage anyone to always consider a source or sources of information. And I would also encourage anyone to keep track for reliability purposes.
You wrote "Other schools have interest in Sheek too". My question was "Speculation or specific landing places?". You did not answer the question then, and this answer sounds like one that a political candidate would offer.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 27, 2026, 12:08:53 PMYou wrote "Other schools have interest in Sheek too". My question was "Speculation or specific landing places?". You did not answer the question then, and this answer sounds like one that a political candidate would offer.
"Hedging Bets"
Quote from: MU82 on April 27, 2026, 12:04:24 PMIn other words, you don't know. Thanks!
I kindly shared what I know as I do sometimes with other subjects, in other threads.
Telling me I don't know something isn't going to get me to say anything more, or differently, than what I have already said on the subject.
There are other potential bigs out there as well for Marquette.
Cool. Thanks for the speculation. We're all pretty good at that here.
Quote from: Tarragona on April 27, 2026, 11:56:54 AMSometimes we don't always get what we want in life. I tried.
I would encourage anyone to always consider a source or sources of information. And I would also encourage anyone to keep track for reliability purposes.
This is the key. If Tarragona turns out to be right, it might indicate it's more important to trust her in the future. If not, then maybe it was bad info or her sources are inaccurate.
There are plenty of times people on these sites know things and aren't able to share the how or why. And there are times reliable posters get bad info. There's no real benefit to getting mad at the messenger, though.
For the record, brew, I'm not "mad" at Tarragona at all. Legit questions were asked; rather than answers, speculation was presented. And that's OK.
Quote from: MU82 on April 27, 2026, 03:56:11 PMFor the record, brew, I'm not "mad" at Tarragona at all. Legit questions were asked; rather than answers, speculation was presented. And that's OK.
Same here. I asked a simple question that was not answered. If a confidential source was involved,
say so, and if it was pure speculation...again,
say so.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 27, 2026, 05:52:44 PMSame here. I asked a simple question that was not answered. If a confidential source was involved, say so, and if it was pure speculation...again, say so.
Do I really have to say the word "sources" every time? I can do that if you want.
"Sources" Marquette Women's Soccer will be reaching out to Wake Forest transfer Sonoma Bever on Friday. I am not unsure.
If I don't know something, I will ask, or I will not say anything at all. If I am unsure about something I will make it clear I am unsure.
As recently as the other day, I asked why there was so much vitriol for Val Ackerman on social media. I had my own ideas. But I asked, and people kindly answered with their thoughts and opinions.
I've shared what I know and what I am comfortable sharing. (Sometimes knowing something means not sharing it too)
I've tried to be helpful.
I get that. A poster here who has contributed enough to the BTD fund to get into the cool kid receptions has been kind enough to DM me well sourced information that turned out to be remarkably accurate. Though he said there would only be two transfers out, I think the Sheek departure blindsided everyone enough that I am willing to forgive that one.
THANK YOU, anonymous poster!
It is a difficult line to know what to go public with and how. Keep doing what you think is best.
Quote from: Litehouse on April 27, 2026, 09:38:23 AMSLU would have a roster spot, but would they still be willing to pay the same amount of money that initially lured Sheek into the portal? And would these other schools be willing to pay him that much as well?
personally I think it would be hilarious if SLU tampered with Sheek with an offer of 7 figures to get him into the Portal with a no-contact tag, then they didn't land him. He'd have no reason not to talk when NCAA Enforcement reached out to him.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 27, 2026, 06:31:04 PMpersonally I think it would be hilarious if SLU tampered with Sheek with an offer of 7 figures to get him into the Portal with a no-contact tag, then they didn't land him. He'd have no reason not to talk when NCAA Enforcement reached out to him.
Ehhh, yes he would. Then the potential "next schools" may look at him as a snitch. Not worth it.
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/2048864561579622548?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
Everything just dead in the water until the ruling?
Lots of Greyson Uelmen smoke.
There's some thought he committed to UNI (Seth Tuttle, old player and current assistant, dropped I guess his version of an "it's happening" gif on Twitter). Hope it's not related to Uelmen, he'd be a great bench guard.
Sounds like the staff stayed late today, here's hoping it's for a guard or a big.
Quote from: onepost on April 27, 2026, 10:51:08 PMLots of Greyson Uelmen smoke.
There's some thought he committed to UNI (Seth Tuttle, old player and current assistant, dropped I guess his version of an "it's happening" gif on Twitter). Hope it's not related to Uelmen, he'd be a great bench guard.
Sounds like the staff stayed late today, here's hoping it's for a guard or a big.
Uelmen reminds me of Gary Rosenberger
Quote from: onepost on April 27, 2026, 10:51:08 PMLots of Greyson Uelmen smoke.
There's some thought he committed to UNI (Seth Tuttle, old player and current assistant, dropped I guess his version of an "it's happening" gif on Twitter). Hope it's not related to Uelmen, he'd be a great bench guard.
Sounds like the staff stayed late today, here's hoping it's for a guard or a big.
Agree. Yes Rosenberger who used to stop in our company often.
And as Hank used to say about Jim Boylan whose birthday it is today. Al you got to get him he can play.
Which is not necessarily true of all the players on our current roster,
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 28, 2026, 07:58:38 AMAgree yes Rosenberger who used to stop in our company often.
And as Hank used to say about Jim Boylan whose birthday it is today. Al you got to get him he can play.
Which is not necessarily true of all the players on our current roster,
Al had a lot of plumbers and dentists, things true
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 27, 2026, 02:23:33 PMThis is the key. If Tarragona turns out to be right, it might indicate it's more important to trust her in the future. If not, then maybe it was bad info or her sources are inaccurate.
There are plenty of times people on these sites know things and aren't able to share the how or why. And there are times reliable posters get bad info. There's no real benefit to getting mad at the messenger, though.
Yup. I remember a poster friend, posting here that Dominic James was going to play in the tourney after his injury. Everyone demanded his sources which he did not. Everyone called him a liar and he had the post removed.
Wonder if James did play in that game after all? ::)
Quote from: onepost on April 27, 2026, 10:51:08 PMLots of Greyson Uelmen smoke.
There's some thought he committed to UNI (Seth Tuttle, old player and current assistant, dropped I guess his version of an "it's happening" gif on Twitter). Hope it's not related to Uelmen, he'd be a great bench guard.
Sounds like the staff stayed late today, here's hoping it's for a guard or a big.
Unfortunately
https://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2048959957953896902?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 28, 2026, 08:30:41 AMUnfortunately
https://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2048959957953896902?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
It's been mentioned before, but that account has a pretty poor track record.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 28, 2026, 08:30:41 AMUnfortunately
https://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2048959957953896902?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
This is a troll account. Not sure why we keep linking to it.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 28, 2026, 08:36:24 AMThis is a troll account. Not sure why we keep linking to it.
Good to know and good to know we have a chance with Greyson yet. Go Marquette!
He very well might be going to UNI. Like most trolls, they occasionally post correct things they hear elsewhere.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 28, 2026, 08:30:41 AMUnfortunately
https://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2048959957953896902?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
You should really stop posting a troll account
I heard that Shaka is playing point this year.
Greyson Uelmen:
1.21 Offensive BPR
-1.32 Defensive BPR
-0.11 Total BPR
Caedin Hamilton
-1.78 Offensive BPR
1.40 Defensive BPR
-0.36 Total BPR
Per BPR, Greyson is about a Caedin Hamilton level player.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on April 28, 2026, 08:30:41 AMUnfortunately
https://x.com/fastbreakmu1/status/2048959957953896902?s=46&t=sotL7QsNvvOZPdWl6-_vhA
Also, a bad look losing a kid from the Summit to UNI where he'll get far more playing time than he will at Marquette, similar to the minutes he played last year?
Methinks if he has a good year at UNI, he'll be available again next off-season.
Quote from: MarquetteDano on April 28, 2026, 08:13:42 AMYup. I remember a poster friend, posting here that Dominic James was going to play in the tourney after his injury. Everyone demanded his sources which he did not. Everyone called him a liar and he had the post removed.
Wonder if James did play in that game after all? ::)
Most of the inside scoops get shat on on this board unless they came from BigDaddy (RIP)
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 28, 2026, 08:44:21 AMGreyson Uelmen:
1.21 Offensive BPR
-1.32 Defensive BPR
-0.11 Total BPR
Caedin Hamilton
-1.78 Offensive BPR
1.40 Defensive BPR
-0.36 Total BPR
Per BPR, Greyson is about a Caedin Hamilton level player.
Not a great analytical profile.
But I guess an experienced D1 guard is better than an empty chair.
MUFastBreak definitely feels like a troll account. Almost nothing positive posted in an offseason that's been filled with very positive retention/portal activity outside of potentially losing Sheek.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 28, 2026, 09:17:23 AMNot a great analytical profile.
But I guess an experienced D1 guard is better than an empty chair.
High usage kid that got to the line quite a bit. Had a good Summit League tourney, especially against St. Thomas. Calling card on defense would be steals but question how well that translates in a league with better guard play. BPR indicates he'd be pretty poor moving up to the BE on defense.
Shot well from 2, okay-ish from 3. 3 point shooting was bad in league play. I'd have pretty low expectations this year for him. Could he grow into a trustworthy backup? I think so but I'd temper expectations that he'd be a dynamic pickup
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 28, 2026, 09:42:25 AMCould he grow into a trustworthy backup? I think so but I'd temper expectations that he'd be a dynamic pickup
Traditional tho will make some Scoopers happy
Quote from: Jay Bee on April 28, 2026, 09:48:19 AMTraditional tho will make some Scoopers happy
Oh, I'd fully expect some to call for him to start over Stevens or James by the second week of the season if he were on the roster
A worse defender than a number of shooters that were slammed here because of their poor defense. Also provides little help from 3. 31st best player in the Summit based on BPR.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on April 28, 2026, 09:36:47 AMMUFastBreak definitely feels like a troll account. Almost nothing positive posted in an offseason that's been filled with very positive retention/portal activity outside of potentially losing Sheek.
This is only a guess, but I'm fairly convinced that MUFastBreak is just some random Marquette student(s).
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 28, 2026, 10:52:11 AMThis is only a guess, but I'm fairly convinced that MUFastBreak is just some random Marquette student(s).
Probably dental school.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 28, 2026, 09:17:23 AMNot a great analytical profile.
But I guess an experienced D1 guard is better than an empty chair.
He is a guard and the net defensive BPM of a guard increases and decreases with the other 5 players on the court a ton.
I hate poor defensive BPM players at marquette.
Poor defensive BPM players not at marquette- and at a low major with poor bigs, they are more tolerable.
Granted, Greyson Uelmen may have been the anchor of the bad defense by being the 2nd worst defender on his team.
I'm not a fan of bringing in another guard for next years sophomore class... concentrate on 2027 guards... unless coaches know our 2027 guard targets are leaning elsewhere.
I think I am looking at Marquette to try and lock up Donovan Davis a year early and get him on campus. Sheek news notwithstanding. I dunno--feels like there are a lot of players to fill a lot of minutes right now. Would rather bet on the upside of a strong player out of the HS ranks.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on April 28, 2026, 12:39:28 PMI think I am looking at Marquette to try and lock up Donovan Davis a year early and get him on campus. Sheek news notwithstanding. I dunno--feels like there are a lot of players to fill a lot of minutes right now. Would rather bet on the upside of a strong player out of the HS ranks.
This would be close to ideal if they think he's ready to contribute a few backup minutes this year. With 5 years of eligibility now it could make sense.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on April 28, 2026, 08:40:30 AMYou should really stop posting a troll account
I have people that ask to do bad for me. I always tell them no but I really should stop.
But I will keep telling them no. No worries.
This was the only posting of this account and the account was correct.
I don't have much interest in early enrolling HS players.
Most are unlikely to contribute that first year (see Phillips, Michael) and there's always a risk that the very best ones leave for the portal before making a significant impact at MU (see Pearson, Sheek).
And when 5 in 5 passes, HS age players will be at an even bigger disadvantage. Older transfers that can contribute right away make more sense.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 28, 2026, 01:30:38 PMI don't have much interest in early enrolling HS players.
Most are unlikely to contribute that first year (see Phillips, Michael) and there's always a risk that the very best ones leave for the portal before making a significant impact at MU (see Pearson, Sheek).
And when 5 in 5 passes, HS age players will be at an even bigger disadvantage. Older transfers that can contribute right away make more sense.
The program is still going to focus on retention and development.
Why would Donovan Davis choose Marquette as long as 18 is on the roster and guaranteed 40 mpg by SS?
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 28, 2026, 08:44:21 AMGreyson Uelmen:
1.21 Offensive BPR
-1.32 Defensive BPR
-0.11 Total BPR
Caedin Hamilton
-1.78 Offensive BPR
1.40 Defensive BPR
-0.36 Total BPR
Per BPR, Greyson is about a Caedin Hamilton level player.
I'm a little amused people thought we were seriously going against UNI there. Just because Cody Hatt followed someone doesn't mean they have an offer or that we're actively pursuing them.
No disrespect, but this looks like a middling varsity high school player - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y30WSY8EtYc
He could develop into a solid player but I can't see him contributing at the big east level for at least two more years.
I'd be shocked if we were actually in for this guy. Even more shocked if we put out best foot forward and lost to UNI.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 28, 2026, 01:30:38 PMI don't have much interest in early enrolling HS players.
Most are unlikely to contribute that first year (see Phillips, Michael) and there's always a risk that the very best ones leave for the portal before making a significant impact at MU (see Pearson, Sheek).
And when 5 in 5 passes, HS age players will be at an even bigger disadvantage. Older transfers that can contribute right away make more sense.
Woah what about Howard, Markus?!
I'm kidding I largely agree however if it comes to fruition that we can put contracts in place where a red shirt has to play at least a year with a buyout that'd essentially amount to what they'd likely make in NIL at a new school then I'm all for it and think it could lead to us getting that next tier of recruit more consistently.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 28, 2026, 03:31:26 PMWoah what about Howard, Markus?!
I'm kidding I largely agree however if it comes to fruition that we can put contracts in place where a red shirt has to play at least a year with a buyout that'd essentially amount to what they'd likely make in NIL at a new school then I'm all for it and think it could lead to us getting that next tier of recruit more consistently.
If transfers were immediately eligible then, there's a good chance Markus Howard transfers after his sophomore year.
Multi-year contracts would solve some issues, but I don't think the NCAA is going to take the lead on the necessary reforms.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 28, 2026, 03:50:29 PMIf transfers were immediately eligible then, there's a good chance Markus Howard transfers after his sophomore year.
Multi-year contracts would solve some issues, but I don't think the NCAA is going to take the lead on the necessary reforms.
Do you have this on good authority? Or is this just a theory?
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 28, 2026, 04:10:32 PMDo you have this on good authority? Or is this just a theory?
A Scoop poster told me in DMs that Markus was considering transferring after his sophomore year. I consider this person credible.
I will let them decide if they want to identify themselves.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 28, 2026, 03:50:29 PMIf transfers were immediately eligible then, there's a good chance Markus Howard transfers after his sophomore year.
Multi-year contracts would solve some issues, but I don't think the NCAA is going to take the lead on the necessary reforms.
Schools are already signing kids to multi-year agreements with buyouts and they're getting out of them (see the Texas Tech QB who was just sued). A friend who coaches at a mid-major lost his two top guys despite buyouts. The new schools are just paying the buyouts.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on April 28, 2026, 04:53:18 PMA Scoop poster told me in DMs that Markus was considering transferring after his sophomore year. I consider this person credible.
I will let them decide if they want to identify themselves.
It was me. Markus told me he was upset that 18 would be playing 40 mpg in 2026.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 28, 2026, 05:16:26 PMSchools are already signing kids to multi-year agreements with buyouts and they're getting out of them (see the Texas Tech QB who was just sued). A friend who coaches at a mid-major lost his two top guys despite buyouts. The new schools are just paying the buyouts.
The last line doesn't suprise me but at least you recoup some investment. What surprises me is that contracts are viewed iron clad in pro sports but they can get out in college which is effectively pro now
Quote from: Galway Eagle on April 28, 2026, 05:52:23 PMThe last line doesn't suprise me but at least you recoup some investment. What surprises me is that contracts are viewed iron clad in pro sports but they can get out in college which is effectively pro now
Mostly because they aren't employees.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 28, 2026, 10:52:11 AMThis is only a guess, but I'm fairly convinced that MUFastBreak is just some random Marquette student(s).
agree. He's probably reading comments here and laughing his asss off. 'Got em goin!!'
Quote from: The Sultan on April 28, 2026, 06:13:54 PMMostly because they aren't employees.
Ehhh, I think schools are afraid of the PR fight as well.
What's also been happening (as noted by NCAA folks) is that some schools have arranged for boosters to illegal pay the buyout costs -- and the NCAA has reminded folks this is not OK. But, sure it will still go on.
Quote from: K1 Lover on April 28, 2026, 10:52:11 AMThis is only a guess, but I'm fairly convinced that MUFastBreak is just some random Marquette student(s).
Or someone who frequents this board, Dodds board, and is a member of a couple of discord servers including Trilly Donovan's.
Just sayin.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on April 29, 2026, 03:45:08 PMOr someone who frequents this board, Dodds board, and is a member of a couple of discord servers including Trilly Donovan's.
Just sayin.
I assumed it was Fartley
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 29, 2026, 05:51:54 PMI assumed it was Fartley
That account, which is run by someone extremely stupid, is also run by someone infinitely more intelligent and less pathetic than Fartley69.
It feels like all activity ground to a halt while everyone held their breath for the 5x5 ruling. With that settled, are we thinking MU will dip back in??
I've seen nothing this past week. I don't know whether or not it's a good sign that Sheek hasn't committed to SLU yet.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on May 01, 2026, 10:08:05 AMIt feels like all activity ground to a halt while everyone held their breath for the 5x5 ruling. With that settled, are we thinking MU will dip back in??
I've seen nothing this past week. I don't know whether or not it's a good sign that Sheek hasn't committed to SLU yet.
I don't think there was some big holding of breath. It's as expected — no go for those who have already exhausted eligibility, though some may try.
As for Sheek, they're waiting to announce at a Cards / Brewers game where he's gonna come out in an SLU jersey and throw the first pitch.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 01, 2026, 10:28:14 AMI don't think there was some big holding of breath. It's as expected — no go for those who have already exhausted eligibility, though some may try.
As for Sheek, they're waiting to announce at a Cards / Brewers game where he's gonna come out in an SLU jersey and through the first pitch.
Throw not through
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 01, 2026, 10:28:14 AMI don't think there was some big holding of breath. It's as expected — no go for those who have already exhausted eligibility, though some may try.
As for Sheek, they're waiting to announce at a Cards / Brewers game where he's gonna come out in an SLU jersey and through the first pitch.
And do what?
You guys beat me 2 it (pawz)
New phone arrives today - can't wait to
deal with its autocorrect b.s.
Howl! Go Wild!
Hoping he follows through on that first pitch throw.
Not that anyone cares... but, looking over some teams' roster turnover during this year's Portal Kombat event is somewhat striking... I'm not sure in what manner, but it's so detached from how NCAA basketball operated just 2-3 years ago (for better or worse). Look at Oregon... basically a whole new team:
https://247sports.com/college/oregon/season/2026-basketball/transferportal/?institutionkey=24090
That's 8 gone and 8 in (not including recruits)...
Providence is the same way:
https://247sports.com/college/providence/season/2026-basketball/transferportal/?institutionkey=24308
8 gone and 7 in (not including recruits)...
I guess if you completely suck ass and have no hope looking forward, you might as well start over... because you can.
Are there any corollaries in other sports outside the NCAA framework? Do professional sports have this level of turnover as a % of their roster from one year to the next? Maybe high-level international soccer (other international sports)? I don't see it in American sports.
A reckoning is coming... after all they are student athletes not professionals ;).
Sheek announcement has dropped. Go SLU.
Quote from: noblewarrior on May 01, 2026, 11:41:31 AMNot that anyone cares... but, looking over some teams' roster turnover during this year's Portal Kombat event is somewhat striking... I'm not sure in what manner, but it's so detached from how NCAA basketball operated just 2-3 years ago (for better or worse). Look at Oregon... basically a whole new team:
https://247sports.com/college/oregon/season/2026-basketball/transferportal/?institutionkey=24090
That's 8 gone and 8 in (not including recruits)...
Providence is the same way:
https://247sports.com/college/providence/season/2026-basketball/transferportal/?institutionkey=24308
8 gone and 7 in (not including recruits)...
I guess if you completely suck ass and have no hope looking forward, you might as well start over... because you can.
Are there any corollaries in other sports outside the NCAA framework? Do professional sports have this level of turnover as a % of their roster from one year to the next? Maybe high-level international soccer (other international sports)? I don't see it in American sports.
A reckoning is coming... after all they are student athletes not professionals ;).
Providence got a new coach... even before the portal rosters had huge turnover when that'd happen
Quote from: Galway Eagle on May 01, 2026, 12:15:25 PMProvidence got a new coach... even before the portal rosters had huge turnover when that'd happen
... once players didn't have to sit a year. How long ago was that dispensation granted to allow immediate eligibility if there was a coaching change... 2021? 5 yrs ago is still pretty recent and fresh to the casual observer/fan to see >50-80% turnover....
Edit... I'd add, it's still way more frequent now.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 01, 2026, 11:00:12 AMYou guys beat me 2 it (pawz)
New phone arrives today - can't wait to
deal with its autocorrect b.s.
Howl! Go Wild!
Yes, it's the phone's fault you didn't spell throw correctly
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on May 01, 2026, 02:08:33 PMYes, it's the phone's fault you didn't spell throw correctly
Bruh, the phone changed it. It also changed "howl" to "joel" (pawz).
So when others get autocorrected, they can't spell. But when it happens to you, bruh, it's the inanimate object's fault. Must be nice!
Quote from: MU82 on May 01, 2026, 04:11:15 PMSo when others get autocorrected, they can't spell. But when it happens to you, bruh, it's the inanimate object's fault. Must be nice!
No, not at all. I'm quite forgiving of others' autocorrect misfortunes.
If Shaka doesn't add a backup center and we go into next season with Caedin Hamilton as that backup, Shaka should be fired before the season starts.
I don't think he'll play that stupid game with how last season went. He has no choice at this point.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 02, 2026, 12:49:57 AMIf Shaka doesn't add a backup center and we go into next season with Caedin Hamilton as that backup, Shaka should be fired before the season starts.
I don't think he'll play that stupid game with how last season went. He has no choice at this point.
Just too tough to sell a backup role, imo. Don't see them throwing a bag at a rando when they didn't pay up for Sheek either. Looking like it will be Caedin and Clark. Just hope one of them develops in a serviceable backup.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 02, 2026, 12:49:57 AMIf Shaka doesn't add a backup center and we go into next season with Caedin Hamilton as that backup, Shaka should be fired before the season starts.
I don't think he'll play that stupid game with how last season went. He has no choice at this point.
What makes you think that he won't start Hamilton? Just following in the footsteps of the downtime lonesome cowboy starts Otule over Gardner.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 01, 2026, 08:38:54 PMNo, not at all. I'm quite forgiving of others' autocorrect misfortunes.
How can you tell the difference?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 02, 2026, 12:49:57 AMIf Shaka doesn't add a backup center and we go into next season with Caedin Hamilton as that backup, Shaka should be fired before the season starts.
I don't think he'll play that stupid game with how last season went. He has no choice at this point.
I hope he adds a big. That being said, this is absurd.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 02, 2026, 06:46:57 AMWhat makes you think that he won't start Hamilton? Just following in the footsteps of the downtime lonesome cowboy starts Otule over Gardner.
The jump ball made starting Otule over Gardner a no-brainer.
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 02, 2026, 10:05:24 AMThe jump ball made starting Otule over Gardner a no-brainer.
Yes, I agree starting Otule over Gardner for the Jump Ball means the coach has No Brain. Did he know that there is a thing called alternate possession?
Well, that and 'avante couldn't guard a shadow and never got in good enough shape to play a productive 30 minutes a game. So, start Otule. Worst decision Buzz ever made was to start them both. Thinking about 'avante guarding perimeter players still makes me shudder.
Combine that with the fiasco that was Wojo's final season when his base line up was Garcia, Lewis, and Theo.
Simply cannot play two post players at the same time in the modern era. Not on offense (5 out and/dribble drive concepts) or on defense (all of the switching).
So, if MU gets a non-guard, I want another player of the size and athleticism of Royce. Far more versatility.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 02, 2026, 10:09:59 AMYes, I agree starting Otule over Gardner for the Jump Ball means the coach has No Brain. Did he know that there is a thing called alternate possession?
Is math hard for you?
Quote from: willie warrior on May 02, 2026, 10:09:59 AMYes, I agree starting Otule over Gardner for the Jump Ball means the coach has No Brain. Did he know that there is a thing called alternate possession?
... you do understand that if you win the tip and get the last possession of the game then you effectively get one more possession than your opponent?
It's not the biggest thing in the world, but swimming the tip is an advantage.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 02, 2026, 06:46:57 AMWhat makes you think that he won't start Hamilton? Just following in the footsteps of the downtime lonesome cowboy starts Otule over Gardner.
Get real.
I do not think the last two spots will be left open. Let's wait and see.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 02, 2026, 10:09:59 AMYes, I agree starting Otule over Gardner for the Jump Ball means the coach has No Brain. Did he know that there is a thing called alternate possession?
https://lukemccartney.substack.com/p/college-basketballs-opening-tip-advantage
Quote from: The Equalizer on May 02, 2026, 10:05:24 AMThe jump ball made starting Otule over Gardner a no-brainer.
An amazing rebounder for someone who couldn't seem to jump high enough to dunk even though he was 6'8"
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 02, 2026, 01:35:43 PMhttps://lukemccartney.substack.com/p/college-basketballs-opening-tip-advantage
That's pretty wild on the minutiae -- Love it
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 02, 2026, 12:49:57 AMIf Shaka doesn't add a backup center and we go into next season with Caedin Hamilton as that backup, Shaka should be fired before the season starts.
I don't think he'll play that stupid game with how last season went. He has no choice at this point.
Good lord.
Quote from: noblewarrior on May 01, 2026, 12:58:25 PM... once players didn't have to sit a year. How long ago was that dispensation granted to allow immediate eligibility if there was a coaching change... 2021? 5 yrs ago is still pretty recent and fresh to the casual observer/fan to see >50-80% turnover....
Edit... I'd add, it's still way more frequent now.
2021 gave everyone a free first time transfer, 2023 was when the courts invalidated that rule, allowing for unlimited transfers and all hell broke loose.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 02, 2026, 07:10:52 PMHe tends to be pretty dramatic.
Dude has a lot of takes.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 02, 2026, 07:25:36 PMDude has a lot of takes.
I'd imagine I'm in the majority with that opinion. You shouldn't survive 2 unserious seasons at Marquette, and some would argue having Hamilton in line to play minutes would make this the 3rd consecutive unserious season.
I think he will add another center because I think he knows this, but all of the good from this offseason will really be dampened if we ever have to watch him play here again.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 02, 2026, 08:04:43 PMI'd imagine I'm in the majority with that opinion.
I guaranty you that a majority of Marquette fans don't think Shaka should be fired "before the season starts" if he doesn't sign another center.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 02, 2026, 08:04:43 PMI'd imagine I'm in the majority with that opinion. You shouldn't survive 2 unserious seasons at Marquette, and some would argue having Hamilton in line to play minutes would make this the 3rd consecutive unserious season.
I think he will add another center because I think he knows this, but all of the good from this offseason will really be dampened if we ever have to watch him play here again.
Unserious season? lol yeah, you tend to be quite dramatic.
You're rooting for the wrong program if tied for 4th in the BE, a BET semifinal, and a 7 seed are an "unserious season."
And you are definitely not in the majority thinking Shaka should be fired at this point if he doesn't add more in the portal before the season starts.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 02, 2026, 08:12:02 PMUnserious season? lol yeah, you tend to be quite dramatic.
You're rooting for the wrong program if tied for 4th in the BE, a BET semifinal, and a 7 seed are an "unserious season."
And you are definitely not in the majority thinking Shaka should be fired at this point if he doesn't add more in the portal before the season starts.
I'm fine with 4th, I'm just saying, plenty have voiced their displeasure with not being serious about adding to the roster once Kolek and Ighodaro graduated.
Not giving Kam help was a mistake. Last year was a complete mistake. The additions this year are awesome, I'm huge fan of them, but allowing Caedin Hamilton to show up on the depth chart is also...a mistake.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 02, 2026, 08:12:02 PMUnserious season? lol yeah, you tend to be quite dramatic.
You're rooting for the wrong program if tied for 4th in the BE, a BET semifinal, and a 7 seed are an "unserious season."
And you are definitely not in the majority thinking Shaka should be fired at this point if he doesn't add more in the portal before the season starts.
Wait what happened why were they a 7 seed? Didn't they have a bunch of seniors and weren't they ranked 5th in the country ?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 02, 2026, 08:04:43 PMI'd imagine I'm in the majority with that opinion. You shouldn't survive 2 unserious seasons at Marquette, and some would argue having Hamilton in line to play minutes would make this the 3rd consecutive unserious season.
I think he will add another center because I think he knows this, but all of the good from this offseason will really be dampened if we ever have to watch him play here again.
Dummies would argue that.
Quote from: panda on May 02, 2026, 08:17:34 PMWait what happened why were they a 7 seed? Didn't they have a bunch of seniors and weren't they ranked 5th in the country ?
I don't think you understand what unserious or season means if you think this is a "gotcha moment"
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 02, 2026, 08:04:43 PMI'd imagine I'm in the majority with that opinion. You shouldn't survive 2 unserious seasons at Marquette, and some would argue having Hamilton in line to play minutes would make this the 3rd consecutive unserious season.
I think he will add another center because I think he knows this, but all of the good from this offseason will really be dampened if we ever have to watch him play here again.
This is either actually insane or insane use of hyperbole. Regardless of whether we should have added to the roster and it was or wasn't a mistake it's insane to consider topping out at 5th in the country and 4th place (in a decent year) an unserious season. Even factoring in the collapse we were competitive in 3 of the Ls meaning we were still a team to be taken serious.
As far as firing before the season because of a backup center expected to be woefully out of his depth based on the expectation that it'd mean another horrific year... I don't care if that is hyperbole it's just insane.
Firing Shaka is extreme but we need a competent backup 5. Not too much to ask.
Quote from: Boone on May 02, 2026, 09:04:50 PMFiring Shaka is extreme but we need a competent backup 5. Not too much to ask.
Maybe Clark is taking 20000 hook shots this summer?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 02, 2026, 08:04:43 PMI'd imagine I'm in the majority with that opinion. You shouldn't survive 2 unserious seasons at Marquette, and some would argue having Hamilton in line to play minutes would make this the 3rd consecutive unserious season.
I think he will add another center because I think he knows this, but all of the good from this offseason will really be dampened if we ever have to watch him play here again.
I
love seeing Caedin play as much as the next guy, but to say that the impact of keeping him on the bench outweighs the impact of adding Fru and Minessale to the starting lineup is as nonsensical as it gets.
The silver lining of Sheek leaving and Shaka retaining Caedin is the opportunity it gives Josh Clark imo.
It's risky, very much so, and CH18 drives me nuts as much as he does to most of the fanbase, but Clark really did show some flashes in his limited minutes.
He's got good tools, and is the type of backup 5 that Shaka covets with his rim running and lob threat ability, so this is a massive off season for him.
He needs the game to slow down a bit, he needs to learn positioning and improve his confidence, but he has solid tools and will learn things from Sananda Fru.
Also, at the end of the day, one of the big knocks on Fru from Louisville fans was that he's bounty soft. "Shaka style" bigs will have that because sometimes it goes hand in hand with the versatility and mobility/movement he covets.
Having Caedin on the roster and at practice day in and day out should, in essence, help toughen up the other bigs a bit, you'd hope.
If he learns to become useful on the court he gives you 5-7 mins of muscle/beef and some fouls when you need it.
If not, at least he provides a solid example of someone who works his arse off and challenges the other bigs from a physicality perspective in practice, and then hopefully moves on the following offseason if he can't figure it out.
It's definitely risky not bringing in another quality big, and it's not ideal going into a BE and ncaa tourney hopeful season hoping Josh Clark becomes a quality backup overnight, but at least he's got a really good opportunity to grow into a solid role.
If Fru plays 25 mins- which I'm sure Shaka hopes is on the low end for the amount of money spent- you've only got 15 to cover amongst Josh and Caedin. If Josh can't give you 5-10 useful minutes then you could be in trouble.
That's how I justify it in my mind at least.
A competent back-up 5 would be great and I hope Shaka adds one.
I would imagine that we hope Fru can play 24-28 MPG. Personally, I'd hope for close to 30 but that seems unrealistic considering he was at 22 last season.
That leaves 12-16 MPG at the 5.
I think it's reasonable Royce can take some of those minutes in a small lineup. Maybe 4-6 MPG.
That leaves 8-10 MPG split between Clark and Hamilton, assuming another big isn't added.
If those 2 guys are playing a combined 10 MPG, worst-case scenario, that's not going to ruin the season. And Clark making some decent progress is not far-fetched.
It's like Hamilton banged some of your significant others, and that's assuming you're not scared to talk to women. Get a grip.
Quote from: DoctorV on May 02, 2026, 10:49:20 PMClark really did show some flashes in his limited minutes.
He's got good tools, and is the type of backup 5 that Shaka covets with his rim running and lob threat ability, so this is a massive off season for him.
I hope it's a good offseason, but Clark lost more minutes than Hamilton at the end of last year.
If Shaka wants to bet on the development of Hamilton and Clark to provide backup minutes, that's obviously his call. Both players have some athletic ability but have shown little to date to justify roster spots. The proof of talent assessment and development will be in the pudding.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on May 02, 2026, 11:42:48 PMI hope it's a good offseason, but Clark lost more minutes than Hamilton at the end of last year.
Doesn't mean that will carry through to this season.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 03, 2026, 01:25:09 AMDoesn't mean that will carry through to this season.
No, it does not. But losing minutes as your second year in the program progresses doesn't scream "that guy just needs an offseason to really break out!". Like I said, I hope does, but I wouldn't bet on it, at least not more money than my annual "Marquette to win the national championship" bet.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 03, 2026, 01:25:09 AMDoesn't mean that will carry through to this season.
SS is still the coach, bub. #LastYear
Quote from: rocky_warrior on May 02, 2026, 11:42:48 PMI hope it's a good offseason, but Clark lost more minutes than Hamilton at the end of last year.
Indeed. Josh showed a few brief glimpses early in the season, but the fact that he couldn't find the court at all at the end of a 12-20 season doesn't scream quality back-up to me.
Quote from: K1 Lover on May 02, 2026, 10:20:32 PMI love seeing Caedin play as much as the next guy, but to say that the impact of keeping him on the bench outweighs the impact of adding Fru and Minessale to the starting lineup is as nonsensical as it gets.
Doesn't outweigh. It dampens it.
A backup center always ends up playing meaningful minutes at some point and even if the plan is to have Parham be the backup 5, Hamilton will surely be in line for important minutes...and that cannot happen.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 03, 2026, 11:44:39 AMDoesn't outweigh. It dampens it.
Yet it's apparently grounds for firing Shaka. Gotcha.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on May 03, 2026, 10:08:42 AMIndeed. Josh showed a few brief glimpses early in the season, but the fact that he couldn't find the court at all at the end of a 12-20 season doesn't scream quality back-up to me.
No, it doesn't scream quality back-up. There isn't really a logical reason to believe in Clark and Hamilton for this upcoming season.
That being said, the one thing I go back to with Clark is his length. Unlike Hamilton, he could potentially be a lob threat, block and alter some shots, and grab some boards. I haven't given up on him yet and hopefully he can be a pleasant surprise.
Hopefully Shaka still adds a back-up 5, though.
Quote from: DoctorV on May 02, 2026, 10:49:20 PMThe silver lining of Sheek leaving and Shaka retaining Caedin is the opportunity it gives Josh Clark imo.
It's risky, very much so, and CH18 drives me nuts as much as he does to most of the fanbase, but Clark really did show some flashes in his limited minutes.
It's definitely risky not bringing in another quality big, and it's not ideal going into a BE and ncaa tourney hopeful season hoping Josh Clark becomes a quality backup overnight, but at least he's got a really good opportunity to grow into a solid role.
Yes, it's risky, but I think that's the way it's going to be. The coach (I'm guessing) thinks that the two of them will be adequate backup. I agree with the thought that
Josh would seem to have more upside but Ham, the teacher's pet, clearly is ahead of him in
the minutes line so that's another obstacle.
Shaka is the coach and I think that he motivates his players well, but he went 0-fer on a
recent recruiting class, and started last year with a very questionable lineup. Bottom line is, we'll see. In the meantime I'm doing novenas for Fru's health.
Quote from: K1 Lover on May 03, 2026, 12:23:39 PMYet it's apparently grounds for firing Shaka. Gotcha.
I don't want him to be. I like Shaka.
I just don't know why he constantly toes the line of borderline stupid roster decisions.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 03, 2026, 02:06:01 PMI don't want him to be. I like Shaka.
I just don't know why he constantly toes the line of borderline stupid roster decisions.
He did for 1 year. There's plenty of time to add. He didn't kick Sheek off the team. It was an unexpected departure.
Are you this dramatic in all facets of life?
Hamilton has proven he has done nothing well all last year, his best at cheerleading. Do not expect much more this year. Clark must be pretty bad if he was unable to play ahead of Hamilton. I always wonder with 2 years of coaching there is not one move they can learn to score with. Clark looks somewhat athletic, so somewhat surprised with that, do they have a big man coach? Sure have not seen it.
Quote from: BCHoopster on May 03, 2026, 04:19:07 PMHamilton has proven he has done nothing well all last year, his best at cheerleading. Do not expect much more this year. Clark must be pretty bad if he was unable to play ahead of Hamilton. I always wonder with 2 years of coaching there is not one move they can learn to score with. Clark looks somewhat athletic, so somewhat surprised with that, do they have a big man coach? Sure have not seen it.
If Shaka has proven anything in his career it's that he has no clue how to coach bigs.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 03, 2026, 04:21:16 PMIf Shaka has proven anything in his career it's that he has no clue how to coach bigs.
I do wonder if he took the wrong lesson from the bigs he coached at Texas. Bamba and Allen were always going to the NBA, and Sims being top-50 was a solid bet. But getting Jaxson Hayes and him basically being the Keaton Wagler of his year gave the impression that every big man Shaka touched turned into a NBA pick.
Oso kind of reinforced that, but Itejere, Amadou, Hamilton, & Clark sure seem to demonstrate it's not as easy as it looked. Really hope the turn to Fru is followed by more high profile bigs because as much as Hayes seemed to indicate a Midas touch, all the long shots here have been pyrite at best.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 03, 2026, 05:18:13 PMI do wonder if he took the wrong lesson from the bigs he coached at Texas. Bamba and Allen were always going to the NBA, and Sims being top-50 was a solid bet. But getting Jaxson Hayes and him basically being the Keaton Wagler of his year gave the impression that every big man Shaka touched turned into a NBA pick.
Oso kind of reinforced that, but Itejere, Amadou, Hamilton, & Clark sure seem to demonstrate it's not as easy as it looked. Really hope the turn to Fru is followed by more high profile bigs because as much as Hayes seemed to indicate a Midas touch, all the long shots here have been pyrite at best.
18 2 tha rescue!
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 03, 2026, 05:18:13 PMOso kind of reinforced that, but Itejere, Amadou, Hamilton, & Clark sure seem to demonstrate it's not as easy as it looked. Really hope the turn to Fru is followed by more high profile bigs because as much as Hayes seemed to indicate a Midas touch, all the long shots here have been pyrite at best.
Yup, he's had some pretty big whiffs with bigs in his time here. You're not bringing guys back for their third and fourth years in the program if you accept you've misevaluated them.
Quote from: Small Orange Soda on May 03, 2026, 06:44:56 PMYup, he's had some pretty big whiffs with bigs in his time here. You're not bringing guys back for their third and fourth years in the program if you accept you've misevaluated them.
Baffling decisions specifically on CH18 but a lot of those whiffs are pure recruiting/eval misses and not specifically development issues. Would've loved to see sheek grow here and oso's growth was incredible. Lots of guys from the vcu and Texas days. Still waiting to hear the news Shaka is ch18's long lost father. Would make much more sense
As long as he doesn't change his number to 69 and become CH69 amirite?
Or maybe we can just start calling him "barely legal" because that's what it is to actually play him!
Ok I'll stop
Hope he crushes some unsuspecting bigs in the BE 😂
Quote from: DoctorV on May 03, 2026, 08:11:42 PMAs long as he doesn't change his number to 69 and become CH69 amirite?
I already have dibs on that number!
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 03, 2026, 05:18:13 PMI do wonder if he took the wrong lesson from the bigs he coached at Texas. Bamba and Allen were always going to the NBA, and Sims being top-50 was a solid bet. But getting Jaxson Hayes and him basically being the Keaton Wagler of his year gave the impression that every big man Shaka touched turned into a NBA pick.
Oso kind of reinforced that, but Itejere, Amadou, Hamilton, & Clark sure seem to demonstrate it's not as easy as it looked. Really hope the turn to Fru is followed by more high profile bigs because as much as Hayes seemed to indicate a Midas touch, all the long shots here have been pyrite at best.
Turning OMax into a 1st round pick too, may have made him take more risks on athletic players.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 03, 2026, 02:16:51 PMHe did for 1 year. There's plenty of time to add. He didn't kick Sheek off the team. It was an unexpected departure.
Are you this dramatic in all facets of life?
Not dramatic. That's just the life of a college basketball coach in 2026 with all the money that's involved now.
No time for "wait and see" anymore. It's all about winning now. I'm rooting for him.
Shaka tried to bring in two unheralded (a euphemism for nobody wanting them) recruits to redshirt and develop. This hasn't worked out yet, but it still could. I think this is a smart approach, if you do it every once in a while. The problem is he did it twice and it coincided with Marquette badly needed contributors at that position. Caedin has been bad, and the development process for Josh was always going to take years. Shaka did reconcile the situation by brining in Sheek who I think would have been pretty solid for us this season.
The downside of Sheek leaving is his versatility. I think he would have seen a bunch of minutes at the 4 as well. IF he developed enough, he would have played 15-20 minutes spotting both our frontcourt players. And he has tons of height and length.
Now, we'll be relying on 6'7" Owens + 6'6" Egbuonu and Phillips to play the 4 when Royce needs a breather. Luckily, DO looked really good when he started in place of Royce for the Gtown game and I'm seeing optimism with Alex Egbuonu. I'd like a little more size at the 4, so we'll see if Shaka adds a piece this offseason.
FWIW, Sean's mom saying it's "official" that Sean is getting 2 more years to play. Don't know the reason, but could be related to the 5 year transition plan. Curious though... great for him though, hope he does great at Toledo (and beyond??)
I am not sure the current atmosphere of college sports allows for much redshirt and development. Every player is essentially playing on a year-to-year deal. Why invest two or three years recruiting, redshirting, and trying to develop a player when he can simply leave anytime he wants (i.e. Pearson). If the player never really develops, you end up with a Hamilton situation. If he does develop, you may have a hard time hanging on to him. While I don't like it, I understand why some coaches rely mostly on the portal to build their teams. I also understand why some of them have just decided to get out of the business.
Quote from: rgoode57 on May 06, 2026, 08:28:40 AMI am not sure the current atmosphere of college sports allows for much redshirt and development. Every player is essentially playing on a year-to-year deal. Why invest two or three years recruiting, redshirting, and trying to develop a player when he can simply leave anytime he wants (i.e. Pearson). If the player never really develops, you end up with a Hamilton situation. If he does develop, you may have a hard time hanging on to him. While I don't like it, I understand why some coaches rely mostly on the portal to build their teams. I also understand why some of them have just decided to get out of the business.
If the new five in five rule is approved, there will be no redshirting. You get five years to play five seasons. No exceptions. No redshirts.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 06, 2026, 08:35:53 AMIf the new five in five rule is approved, there will be no redshirting. You get five years to play five seasons. No exceptions. No redshirts.
I still think coaches have to weigh the benefits of recruiting a developmental type player who projects to sit a year or two. It seems more prudent to let them go to lower level school to play and maybe recruit them later.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 06, 2026, 08:55:14 AMI still think coaches have to weigh the benefits of recruiting a developmental type player who projects to sit a year or two. It seems more prudent to let them go to lower level school to play and maybe recruit them later.
With 15 roster spots, there will always be room for developmental players. The good news is if they actually develop, it may be easier to retain than to attract in the open market. You also can supposedly encourage them to move on if they don't develop as well.
Yes. Shaka has WHIFFED now on 4
bigs to " develop " at MU.
Keyan and Amadou were total busts, and now playing in the Horizon League FFS
Hamilton is also a total bust, and Clark is so bad he can't play ahead of him.
Fru looks to be a one year solution, but we now lost Sheek ( redshirting him was a joke, as he now " developed " for SLU )
Shaka should have told CH or Clark to take a hike.
Quote from: Mu8891 on May 06, 2026, 09:02:50 AMYes. Shaka has WHIFFED now on 4
bigs to " develop " at MU.
Keyan and Amadou were total busts, and now playing in the Horizon League FFS
Keeyan Itejere did not play in the Horizon last year and would have been a better option at center than either of the two bigs who were on the roster.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 06, 2026, 08:57:36 AMWith 15 roster spots, there will always be room for developmental players. The good news is if they actually develop, it may be easier to retain than to attract in the open market. You also can supposedly encourage them to move on if they don't develop as well.
This true provided you have only limited misses in the other 13 spots and you're willing to jettison developmental players if more promising developmental players become available.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 06, 2026, 08:35:53 AMIf the new five in five rule is approved, there will be no redshirting. You get five years to play five seasons. No exceptions. No redshirts.
Not even for medical reasons? If you sit out an entire year for an injury or illness and don't play and that still counts against your 5 years of eligibility seem a little unfair.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 06, 2026, 09:41:56 AMNot even for medical reasons? If you sit out an entire year for an injury or illness and don't play and that still counts against your 5 years of eligibility seem a little unfair.
Correct. Even for medical reasons. The problem is that the NCAA is getting attacked in the courts for the supposedly "arbitrary" nature of their rulings - see Trinidad Chambliss. So this makes it black and white.
It would be the funniest thing to ever happen to Marquette Basketball if Caedin Hamilton averages 15 and 9 his senior season.
That said, the number of whiffs is hard to ignore. Itejere, Amadou, and Hamilton are BAD whiffs. The jury is still out on Josh Clark who I think could turn into a productive 10-15 minute player, but that's his ceiling. I think they hit on Sheek but the portal/tampering torpedoed that.
Every April is going to be frustrating if MU is constantly having to add a starting center by outbidding other teams.
Things are quiet... too quiet.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 06, 2026, 08:35:53 AMIf the new five in five rule is approved, there will be no redshirting. You get five years to play five seasons. No exceptions. No redshirts.
Not quite... there will be limited exceptions (e.g., military {lots of wars on deck!!}, religious, maternity). But, sure.. for most programs there will be no sitting out in order to preserve a year of eligibility. Will there still be kids who sit and don't play, taking the year to focus on strength and skill development? Certainly. But, won't affect eligibility.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on May 06, 2026, 09:53:46 AMIt would be the funniest thing to ever happen to Marquette Basketball if Caedin Hamilton averages 15 and 9 his senior season.
Not funniest, the best thing ever. Just like (as as likely) if I win the PowerBall.
Quote from: Boone on May 02, 2026, 09:04:50 PMFiring Shaka is extreme but we need a competent backup 5. Not too much to ask.
I guess Shaka should just go pluck one from the competent backup 5 tree then. Pretty easy. No one to compete with, no numbers to discuss, nope, just grab whomever you want!
Quote from: Boone on May 02, 2026, 09:04:50 PMFiring Shaka is extreme but we need a competent backup 5. Not too much to ask.
We need Ben Gold back
upgrading from present backup 5 options is low-hanging fruit
Quote from: Boone on May 02, 2026, 09:04:50 PMFiring Shaka is extreme but we need a competent backup 5. Not too much to ask.
I agree with this. MUBB spending a ton on a roster and not having a competent backup at the 5 is a massive oversight imho. I am not asking for another 2-3 million dollar player - I am asking for someone who can make layups. There has to be someone in the world that can do that and not cost a ton.
Quote from: MUbiz on May 06, 2026, 03:18:31 PMI agree with this. MUBB spending a ton on a roster and not having a competent backup at the 5 is a massive oversight imho. I am not asking for another 2-3 million dollar player - I am asking for someone who can make layups. There has to be someone in the world that can do that and not cost a ton.
How much are they spending?
We had a competent backup, but made the decision to give mins to 18.
We should add a center though.
Pearson's cut, at a minimum.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 06, 2026, 03:25:14 PMHow much are they spending?
We had a competent backup, but made the decision to give mins to 18.
We should add a center though.
Whatever Pearson was making is the base case for the backup.
It's also a disservice to the big 3 not to put a competent backup on the roster. It's really a disservice to the entire team IMHO.
I guess we should have had a buyout for Sheek, it may have stopped Schertz from tampering with him.
Saint Louis HC Josh Schertz on utilizing buyouts to establish two-way financial accountability: "Contracts have to be good both ways. When people say, the coaches' portal's open, I agree. But almost every coach I know has a buyout that's more than their year-to-year salary that either the coach themselves or the institution they're moving to has to compensate the school they took the coach from. So now if you want to say that, you sign a player for a $1M, and for them to leave, they or the school they're going to has to pay you $2M. And they're not eligible to play at the other school until that money is received. Then I think you're having a different conversation that would also really tamper down the movement." (link)
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 06, 2026, 10:11:29 AMNot quite... there will be limited exceptions (e.g., military {lots of wars on deck!!}, religious, maternity). But, sure.. for most programs there will be no sitting out in order to preserve a year of eligibility. Will there still be kids who sit and don't play, taking the year to focus on strength and skill development? Certainly. But, won't affect eligibility.
There is a difference in not playing and not being able to play.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 07, 2026, 08:35:20 AMThere is a difference in not playing and not being able to play.
The NBA has that figured out. ::)
from the Athletic:
Men's college basketball transfer portal fits: 5 of the best pairings this offseason
Sananda Fru, Marquette
2025-26 stats (at Louisville): 9.0 points, 6.1 rebounds, 1.2 assists, 1.4 blocks per game, made 76.5 percent of his 2s
The Athletic transfer portal rank: 39
Marquette's two best offensive years under Shaka Smart were when Smart unleashed center Oso Ighodaro as a playmaker.
Smart finally went portal shopping this year after a down year and found what could be his next Ighodaro in Fru, who shows the flashes on tape with similar athleticism and advanced numbers as Ighodaro before his junior year explosion.
Ighodaro had the freedom to bring the ball up because of his ballhandling. That's probably the biggest question mark with whether Fru can be used similarly, but there is proof of him looking capable of putting it on the floor:
Fru can make the type of passes that Ighodaro made for Marquette, whether it was feeding cutters or a quick-connecting dribble-handoff.
One of Smart's greatest strengths is empowering his players to grow their games. It's one reason he bet on development over hitting the portal every year. If he can pull off something similar with a portal player in Fru, then Marquette could find itself back in the NCAA Tournament.
Cool.
Just kind of wish when Shaka and Marquette finally went shopping it was so that it could find itself back in the Final Four, not back in the tournament
Quote from: DoctorV on May 08, 2026, 08:56:28 AMCool.
Just kind of wish when Shaka and Marquette finally went shopping it was so that it could find itself back in the Final Four, not back in the tournament
A parallel lament every season but one for the last 49 years.
Quote from: tower912 on May 08, 2026, 09:00:30 AMA parallel lament every season but one for the last 49 years.
all but four teams say that every season. In this new era of college hoops for most programs (MU included) a Sweet 16 is a great accomplishment, anything else beyond that is a bonus, IMO (as long as you don't lose to an 11 seed by shooting 4 of 31 from beyond the arc).
Look at Sheek's new program - the only time they've made the Sweet 16 is when there were only 16 teams in the tourney.
Quote from: MUbiz on May 06, 2026, 03:36:33 PMWhatever Pearson was making is the base case for the backup.
It's also a disservice to the big 3 not to put a competent backup on the roster. It's really a disservice to the entire team
Agree. Unfortunately Got this text from a top donor. "they like Hamilton. Goodstudent hard worker etc "
I have met Caedin and Josh a couple times and they are awesome people who I would love to hang out with often But
Heck many of us were good students and hard workers but could not play D1 center.
Hopefully for everyone well embedded moles are finally correct and the 3rd year is the charm.
And hopefully for the school fans and All the Marquette Basketball team unlike last year emphasizes the V in RGV.
You mean "-17" isn't competent....The thought had never occurred to me.....LOL.....
No news for 8 days?!?!?! :o
David Fuchs from USF is still available... wide-bodied big man averaged about 13ppg and 7rpg for a WCC team that's respectable.
He's from Austria so I could see him getting along with Fru
The hills would be alive.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 08, 2026, 08:38:19 AM
Fru can make the type of passes that Ighodaro made for Marquette, whether it was feeding cutters or a quick-connecting dribble-handoff.
Reading this just took me back to when we played Nova in the Big East Tournament two years ago and Oso made a quick bounce pass to Kam that resulted in what would've been a game-winning buzzer beater. Still feeling the anxiety from those five long minutes of review.
Quote from: SchnitzelBoy on May 14, 2026, 09:05:27 PMDavid Fuchs from USF is still available... wide-bodied big man averaged about 13ppg and 7rpg for a WCC team that's respectable.
He's from Austria so I could see him getting along with Fru
Fox in German mind you...
Quote from: K1 Lover on May 15, 2026, 12:23:16 AMReading this just took me back to when we played Nova in the Big East Tournament two years ago and Oso made a quick bounce pass to Kam that resulted in what would've been a game-winning buzzer beater. Still feeling the anxiety from those five long minutes of review.
Being reminded of that just annoys me more that the ball was out of his hands. At least we still won!
Quote from: K1 Lover on May 15, 2026, 12:23:16 AMReading this just took me back to when we played Nova in the Big East Tournament two years ago and Oso made a quick bounce pass to Kam that resulted in what would've been a game-winning buzzer beater. Still feeling the anxiety from those five long minutes of review.
Another Breeding MSG F-up.
If you watch from one angle, one of the refs counts it good, the other two (including Breeding)don't make any motion and go right to the monitor.
Found the clip in case anyone wants to re-live it.
https://youtu.be/m-lX4KbS5UI?si=AGqZOQGPCzi5NM-Y
Article in The Athletic regarding Shaka evolving to use the portal. It might be free if you don't have a membership.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7281593/2026/05/15/shaka-smart-marquette-transfer-portal-philosophy/
Quote from: K1 Lover on May 15, 2026, 12:49:58 PMFound the clip in case anyone wants to re-live it.
https://youtu.be/m-lX4KbS5UI?si=AGqZOQGPCzi5NM-Y
Well, Sam's shot probably shouldn't have counted against Creighton, but they gave it to us and that let us win in OT. So maybe a case of these things evening out. Regardless, we went 2-0 in those games.
I'm enjoying the Scoopiness of us all having this conversation in this most appropriate thread for it!
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 15, 2026, 02:03:13 PMArticle in The Athletic regarding Shaka evolving to use the portal. It might be free if you don't have a membership.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7281593/2026/05/15/shaka-smart-marquette-transfer-portal-philosophy/
From the article:
This past season, Smart admits, he overestimated what he thought certain players would be able to do in the roles they were given, both on the court and culturally.
Marquette also had some injuries to veterans — Sean Jones and Zaide Lowery missed a combined 45 games — and that forced younger players into bigger roles. By early December, Smart was starting freshmen guards Nigel James and Adrien Stevens.It's good that Shaka admitted that he overestimated what MU would get from numerous players. It was obvious to pretty much all of us here that was the case, and it pretty much kneecapped this past season.
The writer, CJ Moore, did a nice job ... though he was wrong about Lowery being injured - unless he was talking about Lowery's hurt ego.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2026, 07:11:58 AMBeing reminded of that just annoys me more that the ball was out of his hands. At least we still won!
Went to do a victory smoke after the first replay showed it clearly out of his hand, came back in furious.
Quote from: MU82 on May 15, 2026, 02:46:08 PMIt's good that Shaka admitted that he overestimated what MU would get from numerous players. It was obvious to pretty much all of us here that was the case, and it pretty much kneecapped this past season.
He's doing it again this coming season. #LastYear
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 15, 2026, 02:03:13 PMArticle in The Athletic regarding Shaka evolving to use the portal. It might be free if you don't have a membership.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/7281593/2026/05/15/shaka-smart-marquette-transfer-portal-philosophy/
My biggest issue was this:
"The lesson: Seattle's process was not bad unless you're only basing it on the result."Shaka uses this excerpt to indicate that if Marquette's process was good, the 12-20 result last year was not indicative of failure. Essentially, saying "don't read too much into the wins and losses."
However, that same principle should apply to 2022-23, 2023-24, and the first half of 2024-25. Don't read too much into the wins and losses and be willing to look at places where the process did or didn't work as designed.
Can you justify not taking transfers in 2023 after O-Max left because you had Joplin and felt there was enough quality on the bench? Sure. But after 2024, the process should be re-evaluated when you see what happened after TK went down. He got hurt, and we continued to play at a relatively high level because Kam unexpectedly showed acumen for the point. The lesson to take from this is not just that Kam can run the point, but that you need positional coverage for when your star runs out of gas, whether TK's injury or Kam falling off the next year.
Instead, they ignored the wins and losses, figured "if it ain't broke..." and ran it back with the same roster and no coverage for Kam. Even if you count Sean, the original injury reports the staff received had him sitting out the entire 2024-25 season and their optimism didn't show up until December that he might be back early. They knew in April/May what their depth situation would be and instead of learning from TK when the process was going well, they ignored that.
They continued to win but not at the same level, and ignored process lessons again by running back Caedin and Sean, expecting them to play at a high level despite no on-court evidence either was capable of doing that. Call it misevaluation, call it roster mismanagement, whatever, but it clearly was a failure. So they can ignore the losses of 2025-26, but if they are ignoring the process faults that led to them, they clearly didn't learn anything from the book they are citing to reinforce their system.
Having an upperclassman starter become disgruntled and then leave the team probably had more of a negative impact on the team than if he had been injured.
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 15, 2026, 03:06:37 PMHe's doing it again this coming season. #LastYear
You'll get more ch18 and you'll like it.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2026, 03:20:27 PMMy biggest issue was this:
"The lesson: Seattle's process was not bad unless you're only basing it on the result."
Shaka uses this excerpt to indicate that if Marquette's process was good, the 12-20 result last year was not indicative of failure. Essentially, saying "don't read too much into the wins and losses."
However, that same principle should apply to 2022-23, 2023-24, and the first half of 2024-25. Don't read too much into the wins and losses and be willing to look at places where the process did or didn't work as designed.
Can you justify not taking transfers in 2023 after O-Max left because you had Joplin and felt there was enough quality on the bench? Sure. But after 2024, the process should be re-evaluated when you see what happened after TK went down. He got hurt, and we continued to play at a relatively high level because Kam unexpectedly showed acumen for the point. The lesson to take from this is not just that Kam can run the point, but that you need positional coverage for when your star runs out of gas, whether TK's injury or Kam falling off the next year.
Instead, they ignored the wins and losses, figured "if it ain't broke..." and ran it back with the same roster and no coverage for Kam. Even if you count Sean, the original injury reports the staff received had him sitting out the entire 2024-25 season and their optimism didn't show up until December that he might be back early. They knew in April/May what their depth situation would be and instead of learning from TK when the process was going well, they ignored that.
They continued to win but not at the same level, and ignored process lessons again by running back Caedin and Sean, expecting them to play at a high level despite no on-court evidence either was capable of doing that. Call it misevaluation, call it roster mismanagement, whatever, but it clearly was a failure. So they can ignore the losses of 2025-26, but if they are ignoring the process faults that led to them, they clearly didn't learn anything from the book they are citing to reinforce their system.
::) Shaka says he misevaluated what he thought players on the team would be able to do in new roles last year. He talks about how what they did in 2022 appears to not be what they can do to be successful in 2026. He changed courses and took two high level transfers. And your takeaway is one sentence of the article that suggests that he ain't changing, last season wasn't an issue with the process it was a one year blip.
This after complaining constantly about who he hired and positions he didn't create.
Maybe look at everything he's done this offseason and trust that he realizes he messed up last season. Look at his career as a head coach and realize he's a successful high major coach.
I know you went all in on him not being able to move away from RGV without changing jobs, not being able to take transfers if he's "a man of his word," and now that he's proven you wrong with that (or proven to be someone who won't live up to his word) everything has to be criticized, but he's proving that he's been willing to adjust and continue to compete at a high level.
Will we compete for a BE title next year? We'll see. But if we land Crowdis, then really the only big hole left is depth at the 5, and Shaka had that until somebody wildly overpaid for that depth piece we had to bring him to his hometown. I can't find fault in Shaka for not overpaying to keep him. We want Marquette to play the portal game. We can't expect Marquette players not to play the portal game too.
Quote from: withoutbias on May 15, 2026, 03:43:56 PM::) Shaka says he misevaluated what he thought players on the team would be able to do in new roles last year. He talks about how what they did in 2022 appears to not be what they can do to be successful in 2026. He changed courses and took two high level transfers. And your takeaway is one sentence of the article that suggests that he ain't changing, last season wasn't an issue with the process it was a one year blip.
This after complaining constantly about who he hired and positions he didn't create.
Maybe look at everything he's done this offseason and trust that he realizes he messed up last season. Look at his career as a head coach and realize he's a successful high major coach.
I know you went all in on him not being able to move away from RGV without changing jobs, not being able to take transfers if he's "a man of his word," and now that he's proven you wrong with that (or proven to be someone who won't live up to his word) everything has to be criticized, but he's proving that he's been willing to adjust and continue to compete at a high level.
Will we compete for a BE title next year? We'll see. But if we land Crowdis, then really the only big hole left is depth at the 5, and Shaka had that until somebody wildly overpaid for that depth piece we had to bring him to his hometown. I can't find fault in Shaka for not overpaying to keep him. We want Marquette to play the portal game. We can't expect Marquette players not to play the portal game too.
#bareminimum offseason
Quote from: panda on May 15, 2026, 03:48:47 PM#bareminimum offseason
You would've preferred he did what else?
We paid minimum $5MM to keep our best players and $3.5MM in the portal. Our top 5 players will be getting $8.5MM minimum. That's leaving $6.5MM for the rest of the 10 roster spots. No good players are transferring into Marquette for under $1MM and to be a backup unless you get your golf partner to pony the eff up and pay guys $2MM to come off our bench. So the failure of an offseason is on you.
Quote from: withoutbias on May 15, 2026, 04:27:14 PMYou would've preferred he did what else?
We paid minimum $5MM to keep our best players and $3.5MM in the portal. Our top 5 players will be getting $8.5MM minimum. That's leaving $6.5MM for the rest of the 10 roster spots. No good players are transferring into Marquette for under $1MM and to be a backup unless you get your golf partner to pony the eff up and pay guys $2MM to come off our bench. So the failure of an offseason is on you.
#fakenews #lies
And anyone with a pulse and the ability to tie their shoes are better than our two back up bigs. Too many people making excuses for mediocrity
Quote from: withoutbias on May 15, 2026, 03:43:56 PMMaybe look at everything he's done this offseason and trust that he realizes he messed up last season. Look at his career as a head coach and realize he's a successful high major coach.
I am looking at everything. He got Fru and Minessale right. But that's all he got right.
He missed on Riley when we needed back court depth and instead of pivoting, they...did nothing. Love to see Crowdis be instant impact, but I've seen the last minute unranked freshman flier and generally speaking they haven't worked out.
We lost Pearson and did...nothing. It wasn't even mentioned in the article about changing our approach in the portal. No bigs brought in to replace him. I get why we lost him and I don't think matching was the right move. But we're setting up for more meaningful minutes from Hamilton and Clark and we saw how well that worked. If we get in on a reclass 2027 big will that fix it? Maybe, but so far we've gotten nothing from reclass freshman bigs, so I'm skeptical there.
We lost Haynes and Nevada. Aside from Marquette creating the Haynes problem with a social media blunder (the investigation into Haynes happened directly because of #inaccurate so good job social media guy getting an assistant fired), the communication there was incredibly poor. They posted Haynes job before any announcement he was leaving and when it was announced, it was clear from social media that his family wasn't expecting that. Anyone notice that Haynes didn't thank any of admin or staff in his departure note? Then they replace him by giving one of Shaka's old friends a lifeline after he got fired? In a time when you want to see new ideas in the room, they did the opposite. I hope Ballard is as good developing talent as Haynes was, but I'm skeptical of that. Maybe Haynes was going to be dismissed regardless, but that doesn't change that they mishandled it badly from the jump.
When Nevada left, it was clear we needed to fill the offensive hole. The plan was that Ballard was to help with defense and Nevada's replacement would be for offense. Then they take a month to fill it (presumably because their top options all said no) and land on an unknown guy from a single bid league who is also a defensive guy?
The reality is we came up short in the portal. There are still guys out there that would help but we aren't kicking any of those tires, instead falling back to the unknown freshman route that got us in this situation in the first place. We came up short in the coaching search. We went from elite developer/elite offensive guru to a pair of defensive guys from lower tier leagues. Ballard never had a top-5 defense in CUSA while at FIU. Crawford's years at USA they ranked 9/1/3 in Sun Belt defense. A bit better, but hardly "we need that guy at a high-major" stuff. No one is going to confuse him with Luke Yaklich.
Shaka did well finding a fit with Fru, was coerced into taking Minessale, and other than that seems to have whiffed on everything else since the season ended.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2026, 04:48:00 PMShaka did well finding a fit with Fru, was coerced into taking Minessale, and other than that seems to have whiffed on everything else since the season ended.
"Coerced"? Please explain.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2026, 04:48:00 PMI am looking at everything. He got Fru and Minessale right. But that's all he got right.
He missed on Riley when we needed back court depth and instead of pivoting, they...did nothing. Love to see Crowdis be instant impact, but I've seen the last minute unranked freshman flier and generally speaking they haven't worked out.
We lost Pearson and did...nothing. It wasn't even mentioned in the article about changing our approach in the portal. No bigs brought in to replace him. I get why we lost him and I don't think matching was the right move. But we're setting up for more meaningful minutes from Hamilton and Clark and we saw how well that worked. If we get in on a reclass 2027 big will that fix it? Maybe, but so far we've gotten nothing from reclass freshman bigs, so I'm skeptical there.
We lost Haynes and Nevada. Aside from Marquette creating the Haynes problem with a social media blunder (the investigation into Haynes happened directly because of #inaccurate so good job social media guy getting an assistant fired), the communication there was incredibly poor. They posted Haynes job before any announcement he was leaving and when it was announced, it was clear from social media that his family wasn't expecting that. Anyone notice that Haynes didn't thank any of admin or staff in his departure note? Then they replace him by giving one of Shaka's old friends a lifeline after he got fired? In a time when you want to see new ideas in the room, they did the opposite. I hope Ballard is as good developing talent as Haynes was, but I'm skeptical of that. Maybe Haynes was going to be dismissed regardless, but that doesn't change that they mishandled it badly from the jump.
When Nevada left, it was clear we needed to fill the offensive hole. The plan was that Ballard was to help with defense and Nevada's replacement would be for offense. Then they take a month to fill it (presumably because their top options all said no) and land on an unknown guy from a single bid league who is also a defensive guy?
The reality is we came up short in the portal. There are still guys out there that would help but we aren't kicking any of those tires, instead falling back to the unknown freshman route that got us in this situation in the first place. We came up short in the coaching search. We went from elite developer/elite offensive guru to a pair of defensive guys from lower tier leagues. Ballard never had a top-5 defense in CUSA while at FIU. Crawford's years at USA they ranked 9/1/3 in Sun Belt defense. A bit better, but hardly "we need that guy at a high-major" stuff. No one is going to confuse him with Luke Yaklich.
Shaka did well finding a fit with Fru, was coerced into taking Minessale, and other than that seems to have whiffed on everything else since the season ended.
A lot of words to say "a solid, but not spectacular, offseason."
No sh!t Haynes isn't going to thank the staff and administration. The guy got fired. Who cares about his social media post?
Shaka should've hired you as GM and let you build the coaching staff. You clearly know roster building and staff evaluation much better than him.
Quote from: withoutbias on May 15, 2026, 04:57:00 PMShaka should've hired you as GM and let you build the coaching staff. You clearly know roster building and staff evaluation much better than him.
You're right. He absolutely should've hired a GM and this article just underscored that. That was another failure and I'm glad you pointed it out. I made my recommendation (Matthew Winick) but was told they don't need a GM because the staff can already do what a GM would do.
Then they missed their top bench guard option, didn't adjust, and lost their top bench big option and again didn't adjust.
But we don't have a GM, so it's no real surprise that we weren't prepared to move nimbly in the portal when our roster situation didn't work out as planned.
Haynes have a new job yet?
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2026, 04:48:00 PMI am looking at everything. He got Fru and Minessale right. But that's all he got right.
He missed on Riley when we needed back court depth and instead of pivoting, they...did nothing. Love to see Crowdis be instant impact, but I've seen the last minute unranked freshman flier and generally speaking they haven't worked out.
We lost Pearson and did...nothing. It wasn't even mentioned in the article about changing our approach in the portal. No bigs brought in to replace him. I get why we lost him and I don't think matching was the right move. But we're setting up for more meaningful minutes from Hamilton and Clark and we saw how well that worked. If we get in on a reclass 2027 big will that fix it? Maybe, but so far we've gotten nothing from reclass freshman bigs, so I'm skeptical there.
We lost Haynes and Nevada. Aside from Marquette creating the Haynes problem with a social media blunder (the investigation into Haynes happened directly because of #inaccurate so good job social media guy getting an assistant fired), the communication there was incredibly poor. They posted Haynes job before any announcement he was leaving and when it was announced, it was clear from social media that his family wasn't expecting that. Anyone notice that Haynes didn't thank any of admin or staff in his departure note? Then they replace him by giving one of Shaka's old friends a lifeline after he got fired? In a time when you want to see new ideas in the room, they did the opposite. I hope Ballard is as good developing talent as Haynes was, but I'm skeptical of that. Maybe Haynes was going to be dismissed regardless, but that doesn't change that they mishandled it badly from the jump.
When Nevada left, it was clear we needed to fill the offensive hole. The plan was that Ballard was to help with defense and Nevada's replacement would be for offense. Then they take a month to fill it (presumably because their top options all said no) and land on an unknown guy from a single bid league who is also a defensive guy?
The reality is we came up short in the portal. There are still guys out there that would help but we aren't kicking any of those tires, instead falling back to the unknown freshman route that got us in this situation in the first place. We came up short in the coaching search. We went from elite developer/elite offensive guru to a pair of defensive guys from lower tier leagues. Ballard never had a top-5 defense in CUSA while at FIU. Crawford's years at USA they ranked 9/1/3 in Sun Belt defense. A bit better, but hardly "we need that guy at a high-major" stuff. No one is going to confuse him with Luke Yaklich.
Shaka did well finding a fit with Fru, was coerced into taking Minessale, and other than that seems to have whiffed on everything else since the season ended.
I don't think its all doom and gloom, and I think we'll be a decent to good team next year, but there are a TON of question marks surrounding this team that you sum up well.
It is malpractice to be counting Hamilton/Clark for non-mop up minutes again next year. It's confouding that we haven't brought in any back up guards post-Riley. Honestly can't say much in particular about the coaching changes but there's certainly been somewhat of an overhaul.
There is still time to rectify the roster choices, and I hope they do. But I haven't seen anything that points to them working on it.
I would hate to have another promising season cut short because we don't properly stock the roster in the offseason.
brew, you are being kind to one of the former staff members.
They don't need a GM, for acquisition purposes, they just need to be more diligent in there self scouting process.
And I'm more doom and gloom than the rest of these lot
Quote from: Tha Hound on May 15, 2026, 05:19:43 PMI don't think its all doom and gloom, and I think we'll be a decent to good team next year, but there are a TON of question marks surrounding this team that you sum up well.
It's not all doom and gloom, but we need to stay healthy and need to hope brain drain doesn't hold us back. Extended periods of missed games by NJ or Fru would be killers. Many teams would say the same of stars, but if you have the bench pieces to offset those losses, it's more survivable. Just look at Michigan with LJ Cason & Yaxel Lendebourg both getting injured late in the year.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2026, 05:12:43 PMYou're right. He absolutely should've hired a GM and this article just underscored that. That was another failure and I'm glad you pointed it out. I made my recommendation (Matthew Winick) but was told they don't need a GM because the staff can already do what a GM would do.
Then they missed their top bench guard option, didn't adjust, and lost their top bench big option and again didn't adjust.
But we don't have a GM, so it's no real surprise that we weren't prepared to move nimbly in the portal when our roster situation didn't work out as planned.
Yeah. We know. You said he should be fired after last year because nobody recovers when they're on the hot seat and the next bad year they're gone anyway, and you think Shaka should've been on the hot seat. And you said heads should roll if they don't hire a GM.
It's crazy to me you haven't been tasked with running major marketing firms, major college athletic departments, and major basketball programs. You have all of the answers, and those who don't follow your plans are absolutely clueless and negligent in their jobs.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2026, 04:48:00 PMI am looking at everything. He got Fru and Minessale right. But that's all he got right.
He missed on Riley when we needed back court depth and instead of pivoting, they...did nothing. Love to see Crowdis be instant impact, but I've seen the last minute unranked freshman flier and generally speaking they haven't worked out.
We lost Pearson and did...nothing. It wasn't even mentioned in the article about changing our approach in the portal. No bigs brought in to replace him. I get why we lost him and I don't think matching was the right move. But we're setting up for more meaningful minutes from Hamilton and Clark and we saw how well that worked. If we get in on a reclass 2027 big will that fix it? Maybe, but so far we've gotten nothing from reclass freshman bigs, so I'm skeptical there.
We lost Haynes and Nevada. Aside from Marquette creating the Haynes problem with a social media blunder (the investigation into Haynes happened directly because of #inaccurate so good job social media guy getting an assistant fired), the communication there was incredibly poor. They posted Haynes job before any announcement he was leaving and when it was announced, it was clear from social media that his family wasn't expecting that. Anyone notice that Haynes didn't thank any of admin or staff in his departure note? Then they replace him by giving one of Shaka's old friends a lifeline after he got fired? In a time when you want to see new ideas in the room, they did the opposite. I hope Ballard is as good developing talent as Haynes was, but I'm skeptical of that. Maybe Haynes was going to be dismissed regardless, but that doesn't change that they mishandled it badly from the jump.
When Nevada left, it was clear we needed to fill the offensive hole. The plan was that Ballard was to help with defense and Nevada's replacement would be for offense. Then they take a month to fill it (presumably because their top options all said no) and land on an unknown guy from a single bid league who is also a defensive guy?
The reality is we came up short in the portal. There are still guys out there that would help but we aren't kicking any of those tires, instead falling back to the unknown freshman route that got us in this situation in the first place. We came up short in the coaching search. We went from elite developer/elite offensive guru to a pair of defensive guys from lower tier leagues. Ballard never had a top-5 defense in CUSA while at FIU. Crawford's years at USA they ranked 9/1/3 in Sun Belt defense. A bit better, but hardly "we need that guy at a high-major" stuff. No one is going to confuse him with Luke Yaklich.
Shaka did well finding a fit with Fru, was coerced into taking Minessale, and other than that seems to have whiffed on everything else since the season ended.
Problem is that many here keep calling us a high major. We aren't anymore. Last year proved it. Hell, we can't even hang with Dayton. And this is all on Shaka.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2026, 04:48:00 PMI am looking at everything. He got Fru and Minessale right. But that's all he got right.
He missed on Riley when we needed back court depth and instead of pivoting, they...did nothing. Love to see Crowdis be instant impact, but I've seen the last minute unranked freshman flier and generally speaking they haven't worked out.
We lost Pearson and did...nothing. It wasn't even mentioned in the article about changing our approach in the portal. No bigs brought in to replace him. I get why we lost him and I don't think matching was the right move. But we're setting up for more meaningful minutes from Hamilton and Clark and we saw how well that worked. If we get in on a reclass 2027 big will that fix it? Maybe, but so far we've gotten nothing from reclass freshman bigs, so I'm skeptical there.
We lost Haynes and Nevada. Aside from Marquette creating the Haynes problem with a social media blunder (the investigation into Haynes happened directly because of #inaccurate so good job social media guy getting an assistant fired), the communication there was incredibly poor. They posted Haynes job before any announcement he was leaving and when it was announced, it was clear from social media that his family wasn't expecting that. Anyone notice that Haynes didn't thank any of admin or staff in his departure note? Then they replace him by giving one of Shaka's old friends a lifeline after he got fired? In a time when you want to see new ideas in the room, they did the opposite. I hope Ballard is as good developing talent as Haynes was, but I'm skeptical of that. Maybe Haynes was going to be dismissed regardless, but that doesn't change that they mishandled it badly from the jump.
When Nevada left, it was clear we needed to fill the offensive hole. The plan was that Ballard was to help with defense and Nevada's replacement would be for offense. Then they take a month to fill it (presumably because their top options all said no) and land on an unknown guy from a single bid league who is also a defensive guy?
The reality is we came up short in the portal. There are still guys out there that would help but we aren't kicking any of those tires, instead falling back to the unknown freshman route that got us in this situation in the first place. We came up short in the coaching search. We went from elite developer/elite offensive guru to a pair of defensive guys from lower tier leagues. Ballard never had a top-5 defense in CUSA while at FIU. Crawford's years at USA they ranked 9/1/3 in Sun Belt defense. A bit better, but hardly "we need that guy at a high-major" stuff. No one is going to confuse him with Luke Yaklich.
Shaka did well finding a fit with Fru, was coerced into taking Minessale, and other than that seems to have whiffed on everything else since the season ended.
A lot of this is narrative. You don't know who in the portal was offered what. You don't know which phone calls were made to which coaches or which players. Saying that 'nothing' was done is very disingenuous since you're not privy to everything that happens behind closed doors.
You're making a lot of assumptions based on results.
Quote from: willie warrior on May 15, 2026, 05:43:58 PMProblem is that many here keep calling us a high major. We aren't anymore. Last year proved it. Hell, we can't even hang with Dayton. And this is all on Shaka.
Thanks Walton
Quote from: Hards Alumni on May 15, 2026, 06:05:34 PMYou're making a lot of assumptions based on results.
MU fans have done too much resulting in the last year and a half. Need to just zoom out and focus on the process.
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2026, 04:48:00 PMI am looking at everything. He got Fru and Minessale right. But that's all he got right.
He missed on Riley when we needed back court depth and instead of pivoting, they...did nothing. Love to see Crowdis be instant impact, but I've seen the last minute unranked freshman flier and generally speaking they haven't worked out.
We lost Pearson and did...nothing. It wasn't even mentioned in the article about changing our approach in the portal. No bigs brought in to replace him. I get why we lost him and I don't think matching was the right move. But we're setting up for more meaningful minutes from Hamilton and Clark and we saw how well that worked. If we get in on a reclass 2027 big will that fix it? Maybe, but so far we've gotten nothing from reclass freshman bigs, so I'm skeptical there.
We lost Haynes and Nevada. Aside from Marquette creating the Haynes problem with a social media blunder (the investigation into Haynes happened directly because of #inaccurate so good job social media guy getting an assistant fired), the communication there was incredibly poor. They posted Haynes job before any announcement he was leaving and when it was announced, it was clear from social media that his family wasn't expecting that. Anyone notice that Haynes didn't thank any of admin or staff in his departure note? Then they replace him by giving one of Shaka's old friends a lifeline after he got fired? In a time when you want to see new ideas in the room, they did the opposite. I hope Ballard is as good developing talent as Haynes was, but I'm skeptical of that. Maybe Haynes was going to be dismissed regardless, but that doesn't change that they mishandled it badly from the jump.
When Nevada left, it was clear we needed to fill the offensive hole. The plan was that Ballard was to help with defense and Nevada's replacement would be for offense. Then they take a month to fill it (presumably because their top options all said no) and land on an unknown guy from a single bid league who is also a defensive guy?
The reality is we came up short in the portal. There are still guys out there that would help but we aren't kicking any of those tires, instead falling back to the unknown freshman route that got us in this situation in the first place. We came up short in the coaching search. We went from elite developer/elite offensive guru to a pair of defensive guys from lower tier leagues. Ballard never had a top-5 defense in CUSA while at FIU. Crawford's years at USA they ranked 9/1/3 in Sun Belt defense. A bit better, but hardly "we need that guy at a high-major" stuff. No one is going to confuse him with Luke Yaklich.
Shaka did well finding a fit with Fru, was coerced into taking Minessale, and other than that seems to have whiffed on everything else since the season ended.
Man, not having hot dogs available that day really did a number on you.
Jesus Christ. Haynes didn't get fired ad Shaka wasnt coerced into taking Minessale
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 15, 2026, 07:18:35 PMSemantics.
1. No. 2. I thought you love semantics
And it certainly had nothing to do with #inaccurate
I'm so depressed now, I'm switching my allegiance to the upstart program over at Chicago State.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 15, 2026, 07:27:25 PMAnd it certainly had nothing to do with #inaccurate
Agreed... at least very little.
Quote from: withoutbias on May 15, 2026, 05:41:31 PMYeah. We know. You said he should be fired after last year because nobody recovers when they're on the hot seat and the next bad year they're gone anyway, and you think Shaka should've been on the hot seat. And you said heads should roll if they don't hire a GM.
It's crazy to me you haven't been tasked with running major marketing firms, major college athletic departments, and major basketball programs. You have all of the answers, and those who don't follow your plans are absolutely clueless and negligent in their jobs.
what has Brew stated thats unreasonable or inaccurate?
Quote from: brewcity77 on May 15, 2026, 04:48:00 PMI am looking at everything. He got Fru and Minessale right. But that's all he got right.
He missed on Riley when we needed back court depth and instead of pivoting, they...did nothing. Love to see Crowdis be instant impact, but I've seen the last minute unranked freshman flier and generally speaking they haven't worked out.
We lost Pearson and did...nothing. It wasn't even mentioned in the article about changing our approach in the portal. No bigs brought in to replace him. I get why we lost him and I don't think matching was the right move. But we're setting up for more meaningful minutes from Hamilton and Clark and we saw how well that worked. If we get in on a reclass 2027 big will that fix it? Maybe, but so far we've gotten nothing from reclass freshman bigs, so I'm skeptical there.
We lost Haynes and Nevada. Aside from Marquette creating the Haynes problem with a social media blunder (the investigation into Haynes happened directly because of #inaccurate so good job social media guy getting an assistant fired), the communication there was incredibly poor. They posted Haynes job before any announcement he was leaving and when it was announced, it was clear from social media that his family wasn't expecting that. Anyone notice that Haynes didn't thank any of admin or staff in his departure note? Then they replace him by giving one of Shaka's old friends a lifeline after he got fired? In a time when you want to see new ideas in the room, they did the opposite. I hope Ballard is as good developing talent as Haynes was, but I'm skeptical of that. Maybe Haynes was going to be dismissed regardless, but that doesn't change that they mishandled it badly from the jump.
When Nevada left, it was clear we needed to fill the offensive hole. The plan was that Ballard was to help with defense and Nevada's replacement would be for offense. Then they take a month to fill it (presumably because their top options all said no) and land on an unknown guy from a single bid league who is also a defensive guy?
The reality is we came up short in the portal. There are still guys out there that would help but we aren't kicking any of those tires, instead falling back to the unknown freshman route that got us in this situation in the first place. We came up short in the coaching search. We went from elite developer/elite offensive guru to a pair of defensive guys from lower tier leagues. Ballard never had a top-5 defense in CUSA while at FIU. Crawford's years at USA they ranked 9/1/3 in Sun Belt defense. A bit better, but hardly "we need that guy at a high-major" stuff. No one is going to confuse him with Luke Yaklich.
Shaka did well finding a fit with Fru, was coerced into taking Minessale, and other than that seems to have whiffed on everything else since the season ended.
I think the assistant coach "miss" is much ado about nothing. Talent trumps all.
We have really solid starting 5 which I'm very excited about. But the bench is a train wreck. We need some huge jumps from guys which I don't think they're capable of in one year or freshman to make a big splash. Neither option I'm excited about.
Quote from: Viper on May 15, 2026, 08:59:42 PMwhat has Brew stated thats unreasonable or inaccurate?
Nothing. He has every answer ever and nobody at Marquette is remotely capable of doing the job they are being paid handsomely to do.
Shaka clearly thinks that he can get to the NCAAT with the roster he has. Next season will tell us if he's right. If he's not, time to move on.
Brew brings up a lot of concerns, but we still have 2 open spots to fill and there is still a lot of off season to go. The perception rightfully or not is that Shaka does not have the same urgency to fill those spots as many here feel. Perhaps a little patience is in order to see how the off season plays out. It's only May.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on May 16, 2026, 07:09:44 AMBrew brings up a lot of concerns, but we still have 2 open spots to fill and there is still a lot of off season to go. The perception rightfully or not is that Shaka does not have the same urgency to fill those spots as many here feel. Perhaps a little patience is in order to see how the off season plays out. It's only May.
After reading this, I have two questions:
1) Who
are you? This cannot possibly be the real muwarrior69 whom we all know well.
2)
Where did you hide the body? His family deserves to know so they can give him a proper burial.
Kudos on this post.
There are concerns that Shaka admits he missed on evals on some guys but yet he's running those same misses right back again with Hamilton and Clark. That's a problem.
But the idea that Shaka was coerced into taking Minessale is just not correct. At all.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 16, 2026, 03:18:32 PMThere are concerns that Shaka admits he missed on evals on some guys but yet he's running those same misses right back again with Hamilton and Clark. That's a problem.
But the idea that Shaka was coerced into taking Minessale is just not correct. At all.
But he wasn't planning on it and he's apparently attempting to address the spot.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 16, 2026, 03:18:32 PMThere are concerns that Shaka admits he missed on evals on some guys but yet he's running those same misses right back again with Hamilton and Clark. That's a problem.
But the idea that Shaka was coerced into taking Minessale is just not correct. At all.
There's a big difference when your misses were expected to be major contributors. That's not the case with Clark and Hamilton.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 16, 2026, 03:33:57 PMThere's a big difference when your misses were expected to be major contributors. That's not the case with Clark and Hamilton.
Stop the lies! 18 f*cking started from the beginning of the season well into January, despite it being obviously insane to anyone not stupid af.
Now, it's happening again -- and it's why Sheek was open to transferring.
#LastYear
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1804530536959926675?s=46&t=lNpN7iXqtrMrr3jfOK2gbA
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1983941697106018690?s=46&t=lNpN7iXqtrMrr3jfOK2gbA
https://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2025/10/marquette-preview-2025-26.html
"Last year, the Marquette staff talked up Caedin Hamilton as someone who would have a major rotation role, but like Fetch, that never happened. So far this year, the public facing information is that Hamilton was Marquette's best player in each of the first three weeks of practice and Smart has talked about him frequently as the most improved player and one of the first names he discussed at Big East Media Day. Cracked Sidewalks was told that Hamilton was one of the two best players in the Missouri scrimmage win."
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 16, 2026, 03:44:05 PMStop the lies! 18 f*cking started from the beginning of the season well into January, despite it being obviously insane to anyone not stupid af.
Now, it's happening again -- and it's why Sheek was open to transferring.
#LastYear
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1804530536959926675?s=46&t=lNpN7iXqtrMrr3jfOK2gbA
https://x.com/jonrothstein/status/1983941697106018690?s=46&t=lNpN7iXqtrMrr3jfOK2gbA
https://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2025/10/marquette-preview-2025-26.html
"Last year, the Marquette staff talked up Caedin Hamilton as someone who would have a major rotation role, but like Fetch, that never happened. So far this year, the public facing information is that Hamilton was Marquette's best player in each of the first three weeks of practice and Smart has talked about him frequently as the most improved player and one of the first names he discussed at Big East Media Day. Cracked Sidewalks was told that Hamilton was one of the two best players in the Missouri scrimmage win."
#GetSomeHelp
6'9 stretch 4-5, please. Looking for versatility and depth.
Quote from: tower912 on May 16, 2026, 04:59:50 PM6'9 stretch 4-5, please. Looking for versatility and depth.
It is an absolute must.
Quote from: tower912 on May 16, 2026, 04:59:50 PM6'9 stretch 4-5, please. Looking for versatility and depth.
Agree it would help.
At or Near the end of Marquette's Non Conference Schedule our NET ranking got to #180 or over. By the end of the Season Our NET ranking finished at #93. Feel we can make the Big Dance as constructed. But feel we can more easily make a deep run with an addition.
Quote from: tower912 on May 16, 2026, 04:59:50 PM6'9 stretch 4-5, please. Looking for versatility and depth.
How about 6'8 220 from Pewaukee?
Looking for a legit chance at a trip back to the Final 4.
Quote from: DoctorV on May 16, 2026, 11:10:56 PMHow about 6'8 220 from Pewaukee?
Looking for a legit chance at a trip back to the Final 4.
No chance.
Giannis still available. I mean if Pat Riley wants him, why shouldn't we be pursuing him?
Quote from: DoctorV on May 16, 2026, 11:10:56 PMHow about 6'8 220 from Pewaukee?
Looking for a legit chance at a trip back to the Final 4.
lol
Saw Nolan Minessale at Mass today but he had a huge crowd around him and did not get a chance to talk with him.
https://x.com/adamzagoria/status/2056433019867599028?s=61
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on May 17, 2026, 08:35:04 PMSaw Nolan Minessale at Mass today but he had a huge crowd around him and did not get a chance to talk with him.
With all due respect, we don't need a diary of your daily interactions with the Minessale family.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 18, 2026, 01:41:38 PMWith all due respect, we don't need a diary of your daily interactions with the Minessale family.
It's far less mundane than the majority of posts added to scoop on the daily
Quote from: The Sultan on May 18, 2026, 01:41:38 PMWith all due respect, we don't need a diary of your daily interactions with the Minessale family.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on May 17, 2026, 08:35:04 PMSaw Nolan Minessale at Mass today but he had a huge crowd around him and did not get a chance to talk with him.
Preaching to the choir. Literally!
Quote from: Markusquette on May 18, 2026, 02:01:36 PMIt's far less mundane than the majority of posts added to scoop on the daily
I normally appreciate 1977s posts. He does have access to the program that most of us don't. But that one did strike me as a little strange as well. We've all seen players and recruits out in public and intermittently interacted with them. If every scooper posted these encounters with no added information or interesting tidbit surrounding the episode, it would just be odd.
PINNIS —-> Beavers
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 18, 2026, 08:58:39 PMPINNIS —-> Beavers
And a good thing it is, as we have a preview of the fun scoopers would have had with this name.
https://x.com/i/status/2056732514845089830
Former Johnnie who was with the Jazz and Celtics this year might be headed to LSU at age 26.
Re: RJ Luis ...
All I can say is WTAF ??
Let's bring back TKO. He doesn't play much for the Knicks.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 19, 2026, 09:50:16 AMhttps://x.com/i/status/2056732514845089830
Former Johnnie who was with the Jazz and Celtics this year might be headed to LSU at age 26.
He's 23 years old and has logged 0 NBA (or even G League) minutes.
He signed at least one two-way contract with an NBA team, which seemed to be the threshold to deem a player ineligible.
He took horrible advice last year and is trying to crawl back, need someone slimy like Will Wade to help.
Future lawsuit by RJ impending.
Eligibility is a joke. Soon anyone who doesn't have a better offer elsewhere will play "college" ball. Might as well go full English and just start calling the NBA the Premier and college ball the championship.
Quote from: 1SE on May 19, 2026, 02:40:05 PMEligibility is a joke. Soon anyone who doesn't have a better offer elsewhere will play "college" ball. Might as well go full English and just start calling the NBA the Premier and college ball the championship.
If the new five in five rule is adapted, and survives court challenges, this would not be possible.
In August of 2025 Rj Luis was part of an NBA trade............it would seem that would be disqualifying.
RJ Luis commits to LSU - what NCAA says about NBA signees' eligibility (https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/ncaab/sec/2026/05/19/rj-luis-lsu-basketball-commit-eligibility-nba-charles-bediako/90157469007/)
Quote from: wadesworld on May 19, 2026, 10:37:58 AMHe's 23 years old and has logged 0 NBA (or even G League) minutes.
It was sarcasm to highlight how stupid college basketball has become.
He signed a 2 way contract in the NBA. I guess we'll see if he gets eligibility but the fact that it is even up for debate shows the sad state of affairs in college hoops.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 19, 2026, 02:51:58 PMIf the new five in five rule is adapted, and survives court challenges, this would not be possible.
What will the adaptation be? I was thinking if it was adopted this would not be possible, but interested in your unique take!
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on May 19, 2026, 09:50:16 AMhttps://x.com/i/status/2056732514845089830
Former Johnnie who was with the Jazz and Celtics this year might be headed to LSU at age 26.
Just a complete farce. I hate the way the game is trending.
I'll get bothered about RJ Luis as soon as I see him approved to play and suiting up. They have Bediako as precedent, so this is one the NCAA should pretty easily be able to throw out. Just seems like a whole lot of nothing dressed up as something because Will Wade likes to poke sticks in the eye of the NCAA.
Another one for LSU
https://x.com/i/status/2056873899837563207
LSU don't even give 1/2 a f#%k.
Missed this one earlier
https://x.com/i/status/2056850302062498250
Three on the day
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on May 15, 2026, 06:54:39 PMMan, not having hot dogs available that day really did a number on you.
I've seen this mentioned several times but am pretty sure it was from before I joined Scoop, so if anyone has a link to the original post (or relative date of the scrimmage) I'd love to give it a read.
Also speaking of Scoop lore, in my attempt to find the post, I came across this "wiki" page of old Scoop memes from over a decade ago. Kinda funny how some of these are still relevant today.
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php?id=muscoop_memes
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66382.0
Quote from: brewcity77 on October 05, 2024, 12:43:51 PMNot having concessions was a big miss. Lots of families here, we weren't the only ones to meant early. In the past we always got hot dogs and chips, nothing fancy but with 1,000+ there they left a lot of cash on the table. We left early because I didn't want to spend 2 hours listening to "I'm hungry" on repeat.
Line of the day from my 6-year-old daughter: "I'm pissed, I'm hungry, I didn't get to see Iggy. This was bad."
Incomprehensible decision to hold a scrimmage from 11-1 in the afternoon and not open the concession stands that have typically been open for these events in the past.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 19, 2026, 02:51:58 PMIf the new five in five rule is adapted, and survives court challenges, this would not be possible.
Right.
Quote from: K1 Lover on May 19, 2026, 08:10:19 PM...
Also speaking of Scoop lore, in my attempt to find the post, I came across this "wiki" page of old Scoop memes from over a decade ago. Kinda funny how some of these are still relevant today.
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php?id=muscoop_memes
I just spent about 25 minutes revisiting, and laughing at/about, the last 15+ years of my MU life.
Meme on MU Scoop!
Dang it - the mods shut down the "traditional" / Gasser thread just as it was getting good!
Outside Luis... every single player Wade signed will be cleared to play. He did a good job for how late it is in the cycle.
https://x.com/i/status/2057196950995566846
Blackwell to Duke.
Momcilovic may make a lot more money staying in college.
Tounde Yessoufou to St John's.
Gotta be nice having Repole+Rick as a Johnnie's fan, sheesh.
Milan Momcilovic to Marquette next?
Who's ponying up the 4M$?
Quote from: DoctorV on May 27, 2026, 11:57:57 PMTounde Yessoufou to St John's.
Gotta be nice having Repole+Rick as a Johnnie's fan, sheesh.
Milan Momcilovic to Marquette next?
Who's ponying up the 4M$?
Some reports say $7 million.
Quote from: Nukem2 on May 28, 2026, 12:20:19 AMSome reports say $7 million.
Damn. I only donated $6 million.
Quote from: MU82 on May 28, 2026, 12:48:58 AMDamn. I only donated $6 million.
Willie's got the extra mil laying around in the basement sofa. We're good.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 28, 2026, 11:14:59 AMWillie's got the extra mil laying around in the basement sofa. We're good.
Whoa! I was going to say I'm good for $20, but why bother?
Surprised not to see him grade out higher. Realize that the NBA is largely potential/who can you guard, but every team needs shooting and he does that at an elite level.
Quote from: Its DJOver on May 28, 2026, 11:34:35 AMSurprised not to see him grade out higher. Realize that the NBA is largely potential/who can you guard, but every team needs shooting and he does that at an elite level.
Probably didn't get a first round guaranty so he is going to cash it in in college for one more season.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 28, 2026, 11:38:20 AMProbably didn't get a first round guaranty so he is going to cash it in in college for one more season.
I'm sure you're right, I just think it's a mistake. He's going to be very well compensated either way.
Maybe he just enjoys learning! #StudentAthlete
Quote from: K1 Lover on May 19, 2026, 08:10:19 PMI've seen this mentioned several times but am pretty sure it was from before I joined Scoop, so if anyone has a link to the original post (or relative date of the scrimmage) I'd love to give it a read.
Also speaking of Scoop lore, in my attempt to find the post, I came across this "wiki" page of old Scoop memes from over a decade ago. Kinda funny how some of these are still relevant today.
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php?id=muscoop_memes
Deflections really made a comeback.
Quote from: K1 Lover on May 19, 2026, 08:10:19 PMI've seen this mentioned several times but am pretty sure it was from before I joined Scoop, so if anyone has a link to the original post (or relative date of the scrimmage) I'd love to give it a read.
Also speaking of Scoop lore, in my attempt to find the post, I came across this "wiki" page of old Scoop memes from over a decade ago. Kinda funny how some of these are still relevant today.
https://wiki.muscoop.com/doku.php?id=muscoop_memes
What a time to be alive.
We had yet to experience Hiroshima when this list was created.
I don't miss the haikus.
Quote from: MU82 on May 28, 2026, 12:48:58 AMDamn. I only donated $6 million.
Unfortunately, it all went to ch18 at a rate of $600 per hook shot.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on May 28, 2026, 12:40:16 PMUnfortunately, it all went to ch18 at a rate of $600 per hook shot.
Sounds like a fun one to set up for the MACC fund to get some donations.
https://x.com/espn/status/2061635970085142725?s=20
Quote from: Pakuni on June 01, 2026, 09:57:58 PMhttps://x.com/espn/status/2061635970085142725?s=20
Gonna save Pope's job.
NEWS: Michigan guard LJ Cason plans to enter the @TransferPortal following Dusty May's departure for the Dallas Mavericks, he told @On3.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on July 13, 2026, 09:09:53 PMNEWS: Michigan guard LJ Cason plans to enter the @TransferPortal following Dusty May's departure for the Dallas Mavericks, he told @On3.
The Casons keep rolling along
Quote from: JakeBarnes on July 14, 2026, 02:59:35 PMThe Casons keep rolling along
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on July 13, 2026, 09:09:53 PMNEWS: Michigan guard LJ Cason plans to enter the @TransferPortal following Dusty May's departure for the Dallas Mavericks, he told @On3.
NM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on July 14, 2026, 03:32:31 PMMy guess is that he lands at Gonzaga since they were "Sheeked" by their PGs decision to leave.
Cason is recovering from knee surgery and his availability this year is in doubt
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 14, 2026, 03:35:50 PMCason is recovering from knee surgery and his availability this year is in doubt
Didn't know that . Thanks.