Can't do anything without some 3 pt shooters
::)
They have 3 point shooters......they just are having a tough season shooting them.
Guys who have been good 3 point shooters in college......Jop and Kam are having down seasons much below career norms
Gold is shooting it well this season and was as a recruit
Lowery and Parham were both solid to really good 3 point shooters as recruits
The only guy who was recruited as a non shooter was Norman.
It has nothing to,do with Shaka not valuing the 3 point shot in his recruiting........stuff happens
If you don't make 3s with regularity, are you good at making 3s?
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 05, 2025, 10:18:50 PMIf you don't make 3s with regularity, are you good at making 3s?
No.
0 baskets made by the bench, 0 three's made by anyone not named Joplin. I would assume no starting spot is safe next years if you cant shoot.,
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 05, 2025, 10:18:50 PMIf you don't make 3s with regularity, are you good at making 3s?
They haven't been good this season......but it's not because Shaka didn't recruit guys who could make 3s regularly when he recruited them.
Still could have won if we could have gotten a few more defensive rebounds.
He hasn't had a knockdown shooter yet. Maybe Phillips or Miletic.
Biggest issue is the lack of physicality, IMO.
I do wonder why our shooters aren't more consistent from year to year. I think there may be too much tinkering with shots and that doesn't help with consistency.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 05, 2025, 10:50:54 PMI do wonder why our shooters aren't more consistent from year to year. I think there may be too much tinkering with shots and that doesn't help with consistency.
Something is screwed up when guys are getting worse and worse over their careers shooting it.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 05, 2025, 10:57:30 PMSomething is screwed up when guys are getting worse and worse over their careers shooting it.
Care to share some examples of year-over-year regression for multiple players? Or are you talking out of your ass?
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 05, 2025, 10:47:24 PMHe hasn't had a knockdown shooter yet. Maybe Phillips or Miletic.
Biggest issue is the lack of physicality, IMO.
Kam shot 40+% from 3 on 6,5+ attempts from 3 last season.
Thats a knockdown shooter.
It's much different when the maestro is getting you the ball for open looks with perfect dimes in the shooting pocket in rhythm, versus trying to become the maestro while still being that knockdown shooter....
Shaka and Kam learned that lesson the hard way this season.
Still ball left to play, he needs to find that shooting stroke when it matters most, and it doesn't matter most than these next few weeks
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 05, 2025, 11:00:19 PMCare to share some examples of year-over-year regression for multiple players? Or are you talking out of your ass?
Not faulting Shaka for the YOY regression but Kam and Jop are multiple examples
Quote from: PistolPete on March 05, 2025, 11:24:11 PMNot faulting Shaka for the YOY regression but Kam and Jop are multiple examples
No, they're not. They're two guys shooting worse than their career averages.
That's not an example of a consistent pattern.
Quote from: PistolPete on March 05, 2025, 11:24:11 PMNot faulting Shaka for the YOY regression but Kam and Jop are multiple examples
Their shooting has regressed but no arguing the rest of their games have improved. Kam especially, but the strides Jop has made as an on-ball defender are huge.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 05, 2025, 10:50:54 PMI do wonder why our shooters aren't more consistent from year to year. I think there may be too much tinkering with shots and that doesn't help with consistency.
Search "Kam Jones Baylor" on YouTube and just look at the night and day difference with how his shot looks now versus then. Had a beautiful arc and never hit the rim from 3 in that game.
Nevada Smith, shooting guru. What really bugs me is Kam Jones at the free throw line, does he practice that? Is first attempt tonight was left of the target, sad. I can understand missing 3's but free throws wow. Shaka should early in the game put him off the ball and get him a good look. Needs to get his confidence going.
Quote from: BCHoopster on March 05, 2025, 11:50:33 PMNevada Smith, shooting guru. What really bugs me is Kam Jones at the free throw line, does he practice that? Is first attempt tonight was left of the target, sad. I can understand missing 3's but free throws wow. Shaka should early in the game put him off the ball and get him a good look. Needs to get his confidence going.
That's not what Nevada does.
Come on, dude.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 05, 2025, 10:47:24 PMHe hasn't had a knockdown shooter yet. Maybe Phillips or Miletic.
Biggest issue is the lack of physicality, IMO.
THIS
Kam doesn't seem to have much spin on his J.
Physicality isn't being addressed with the next crop of recruits either.
Doesn't seem to be what Shaka is after. He praises "dudes" but only really recruits a few here and there.
Stevens fits the bill but Miletic and Phillips aren't dudes, James is built but small.
DO and Parham aren't dudes either, but can fill out with a lot of work.
It'll always be smaller and weaker with the type of 5 man that Shaka wants.
It has to be better with regards to shooting from outside and overall scoring ability though. Skinny length with a few dudes is ok as long as it's disruptive and can shoot the ball and score
Quote from: CountryRoads on March 05, 2025, 11:36:52 PMSearch "Kam Jones Baylor" on YouTube and just look at the night and day difference with how his shot looks now versus then. Had a beautiful arc and never hit the rim from 3 in that game.
But that season, his sophomore campaign when he had the "kiss the sky" jumper, he has a worse 3 point shooting percentage than the seasons before and after.
The portal should include someone willing to get a rebound, and someone who can throw a ball in the ocean from the beach.
Shaka will change his roster construction when there are unexpected departures.
Quote from: Don_Kojis on March 05, 2025, 10:09:05 PMCan't do anything without some 3 pt shooters
Maybe me right gud
Quote from: Don_Kojis on March 05, 2025, 10:09:05 PMCan't do anything without some 3 pt shooters
Or some down low bangers. MU lacks both and will continue to be outdistanced in BEast until Shaka adjusts.
Quote from: MuMark on March 05, 2025, 10:14:51 PMThey have 3 point shooters......they just are having a tough season shooting them.
Guys who have been good 3 point shooters in college......Jop and Kam are having down seasons much below career norms
Gold is shooting it well this season and was as a recruit
Lowery and Parham were both solid to really good 3 point shooters as recruits
The only guy who was recruited as a non shooter was Norman.
It has nothing to,do with Shaka not valuing the 3 point shot in his recruiting........stuff happens
That is a good one . Stuff happens.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 05, 2025, 10:57:30 PMSomething is screwed up when guys are getting worse and worse over their careers shooting it.
Must be the developmental schedule needs resetting.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 06, 2025, 06:49:12 AMOr some down low bangers. MU lacks both and will continue to be outdistanced in BEast until Shaka adjusts.
Right! Just like they were outdistanced when they won the conference and BET in 22-23. Or when they earned a 2 seed in the NCAA tournament last year.
Brilliant stuff, as usual.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 06, 2025, 06:54:04 AMRight! Just like they were outdistanced when they won the conference and BET in 22-23. Or when they earned a 2 seed in the NCAA tournament last year.
Brilliant stuff, as usual.
It's easier to speak Wingdings if you're a mouth breather
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 06, 2025, 06:54:04 AMRight! Just like they were outdistanced when they won the conference and BET in 22-23. Or when they earned a 2 seed in the NCAA tournament last year.
Brilliant stuff, as usual.
Having one of the best point guards you have ever had in your program covers things up. A decent backup pg or some size that could be brought off the bench would have been better help to this team than a project redshirt big. Tre and Caedin....not hard to upgrade those guys
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 06, 2025, 06:54:04 AMRight! Just like they were outdistanced when they won the conference and BET in 22-23. Or when they earned a 2 seed in the NCAA tournament last year.
Brilliant stuff, as usual.
22-23 season was great. No doubt. But, that's the past and almost seems like an outlier season. 2-seeds were great too. Unfortunately, the tournament run each of those two 2-seed seasons resulted in only 3 combined wins. Maybe this post season, with a lower expectation, will result in a surprising run of winning.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 05, 2025, 11:00:19 PMCare to share some examples of year-over-year regression for multiple players? Or are you talking out of your ass?
Maybe not a literal year by year regression, but not far off, and a lot of downturn one year to the next. Mitchell shooting from 3 worse each year until a modest upswing finally this year. Joplin and Kam as mentioned. Joplin is down 2nd straight season and has needed a couple recent good games to barely pull ahead of his freshman year under 30 mark. Kolek way down freshman to sophomore, and down again his final season from junior year.
Quote from: warriors141 on March 06, 2025, 07:03:07 AMHaving one of the best point guards you have ever had in your program covers things up. A decent backup pg or some size that could be brought off the bench would have been better help to this team than a project redshirt big. Tre and Caedin....not hard to upgrade those guys
So you think a high-quality transfer or two that aren't going to start are going to transfer here to play limited minutes so we can upgrade our 10th man and a guard that plays 10 MPG at the expense of Shaka's program-building approach makes sense?
Got it.
Quote from: Viper on March 06, 2025, 07:14:53 AM22-23 season was great. No doubt. But, that's the past and almost seems like an outlier season. 2-seeds were great too. Unfortunately, the tournament run each of those two 2-seed seasons resulted in only 3 combined wins. Maybe this post season, with a lower expectation, will result in a surprising run of winning.
So in one sentence you claim that 2022-23 was an "outlier season," then in the second point out that they had a 2-seed the very next season. ::) ::) ::)
There have only been two coaches that have made the NCAA tournament their first four seasons at Marquette - Buzz and Shaka. And the team Buzz took over was vastly different than the one Shaka took over. And only one won a Big East regular season and tournament title in the process.
But now we are saying sh*t like "outlier season." In-f*cking-credible.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 06, 2025, 07:59:18 AMSo in one sentence you claim that 2022-23 was an "outlier season," then in the second point out that they had a 2-seed the very next season. ::) ::) ::)
There have only been two coaches that have made the NCAA tournament their first four seasons at Marquette - Buzz and Shaka. And the team Buzz took over was vastly different than the one Shaka took over. And only one won a Big East regular season and tournament title in the process.
But now we are saying sh*t like "outlier season." In-f*cking-credible.
Wait, it'll get dumber
Quote from: Viper on March 06, 2025, 07:14:53 AM22-23 season was great. No doubt. But, that's the past and almost seems like an outlier season. 2-seeds were great too. Unfortunately, the tournament run each of those two 2-seed seasons resulted in only 3 combined wins. Maybe this post season, with a lower expectation, will result in a surprising run of winning.
22-23 was great, but that is history. The criticizer can hang his hat on 22-23, but we are 2 years removed from that and getting our ass handed to us by other teams in the conference. What about now? Some think that is not relevant.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 06, 2025, 09:13:31 AM22-23 was great, but that is history. The criticizer can hang his hat on 22-23, but we are 2 years removed from that and getting our ass handed to us by other teams in the conference. What about now? Some think that is not relevant.
You know who talks a lot about history here?
willie.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 06, 2025, 09:13:31 AM22-23 was great, but that is history. The criticizer can hang his hat on 22-23, but we are 2 years removed from that and getting our ass handed to us by other teams in the conference. What about now? Some think that is not relevant.
We're only one year removed from a 2 seed and sweet 16... to act like 22-23 is the only highlight of Shakas tenure is incredibly ridiculous. Yes this year has been rough down the stretch, almost Wojo esque, but give Shaka his dues.
You're all arguing with someone that will never be happy because he lives in a past that doesn't exist.
This team could make an Elite 8 this year and he'd still complain.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 06, 2025, 07:58:10 AMSo you think a high-quality transfer or two that aren't going to start are going to transfer here to play limited minutes so we can upgrade our 10th man and a guard that plays 10 MPG at the expense of Shaka's program-building approach makes sense?
Got it.
Unfortunately to improve on Tre and Caedin they would not have to be high quality.....serviceable would be just fine
Quote from: Viper on March 06, 2025, 07:14:53 AM22-23 season was great. No doubt. But, that's the past and almost seems like an outlier season. 2-seeds were great too. Unfortunately, the tournament run each of those two 2-seed seasons resulted in only 3 combined wins. Maybe this post season, with a lower expectation, will result in a surprising run of winning.
An outlier season? Shaka's been here for 4 years. The year before he took over we finished 9th in an 11 team Big East (and it might've been tied for 9th but we had one extra game cancelled compared to 10th place Butler). His first year we finished tied for 5th. His second we won the Big East, his third we finished tied for second, and this year we'll finish between tied for 2nd and tied for 4th. I guess winning the conference is an "outlier," but not by much. We've been the second best program in the BE since Shaka took over.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 06, 2025, 07:21:02 AMMaybe not a literal year by year regression, but not far off, and a lot of downturn one year to the next. Mitchell shooting from 3 worse each year until a modest upswing finally this year. Joplin and Kam as mentioned. Joplin is down 2nd straight season and has needed a couple recent good games to barely pull ahead of his freshman year under 30 mark. Kolek way down freshman to sophomore, and down again his final season from junior year.
Kolek "down his final year from his junior year? "
Seriously? He made the same amount of 3s as a senior and had to take a whopping 3 more attempts to do it.........in 31 games!
The difference is so minute it's not even worth mentioning.........
3 point shooting is volatile.......from game to game and year to,year.....
We act like this is just a Marquette thing......it's not
Karaban shot 40% his first season after a redshirt......sophomore year 38%......this season.....34%
He went through a 5 game stretch in the big east season where he was 2-28
Diarra shot 36% from 3 last season.......this year it's 27%.
I know people are frustrated but we lost because in this game we couldn't keep them off the offensive boards......turn them over enough ( our strength) or shoot poorly from 3 instead of insanely bad from 3.
If we shoot 6-22 instead of 3-22 we probably win the game.......we outshot them at the rim......from midrange where we were 4-9 and they were 3-16.......we made the same number of free throws.
They scored 6 more points on 8 more shots.
I do not believe shaka's recruiting strategy involves recruiting players who have 3 point shooting as their top skill. We know he likes the switchable, wing type player who is a good athlete. In light of the value and success demonstrated by good 3 pt shooting teams, his recruiting strategy may have a gap. A player making a jump/ improving 3 pt shooting YoY can work but it seems more the exception than the rule and is really a hope strategy. Not sure what will be a trigger a change here or if shaka even cares. Maybe re watching NC St and multiple losses this year would help.
Quote from: Captain Quette on March 06, 2025, 12:18:47 PMI do not believe shaka's recruiting strategy involves recruiting players who have 3 point shooting as their top skill. We know he likes the switchable, wing type player who is a good athlete. In light of the value and success demonstrated by good 3 pt shooting teams, his recruiting strategy may have a gap. A player making a jump/ improving 3 pt shooting YoY can work but it seems more the exception than the rule and is really a hope strategy. Not sure what will be a trigger a change here or if shaka even cares. Maybe re watching NC St and multiple losses this year would help.
Lowery, Parham, and to a lesser degree Owens and Ross, were considered good high school three point shooters.
Longing for the halcyon days when the coach recruited guys who were shooters first.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 06, 2025, 12:23:19 PMLowery, Parham, and to a lesser degree Owens and Ross, were considered good high school three point shooters.
Yep.....he is not going to recruit the Andrew Rowsey types who are great offensive players but can't defend.........
He went hard after Kon........he wants shooters......he just isn't going to take guys that can't defend in his system even if they are great shooters.
And sometimes you recruit good shooters who for some reason take awhile to shoot well in college............or you recruit some kids who have skills you like that should complement other kids who are good shooters .........sometimes it works......sometimes it doesn't.
Norman is the best current example......I know Shaka thought he would have had a bigger impact than he has had so far.......even Trey is disappointed his offense hasn't translated at this level.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2025, 10:45:17 AMAn outlier season? Shaka's been here for 4 years. The year before he took over we finished 9th in an 11 team Big East (and it might've been tied for 9th but we had one extra game cancelled compared to 10th place Butler). His first year we finished tied for 5th. His second we won the Big East, his third we finished tied for second, and this year we'll finish between tied for 2nd and tied for 4th. I guess winning the conference is an "outlier," but not by much. We've been the second best program in the BE since Shaka took over.
Debatable about 2nd best team, and we are talking about where we are now, not 2 or 3 years ago. The current roster is not as competitive in BEast as some posters believe. Cmon man, MU has already lost 6 conference games this year. And some feel satisfied with that.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 06, 2025, 12:47:00 PMDebatable about 2nd best team, and we are talking about where we are now, not 2 or 3 years ago. The current roster is not as competitive in BEast as some posters believe. Cmon man, MU has already lost 6 conference games this year. And some feel satisfied with that.
Your satisfaction is irrelevant, nor is anyone else's.
I know you're old and want to win everything going away every game, but this is competitive sports. Other teams are going to win too. Not every game is going to be won. The most important thing is having a nationally prominent team and having the ability to compete in the NCAA tournament.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 06, 2025, 12:47:00 PMDebatable about 2nd best team, and we are talking about where we are now, not 2 or 3 years ago. The current roster is not as competitive in BEast as some posters believe. Cmon man, MU has already lost 6 conference games this year. And some feel satisfied with that.
And we're tied for third, even with this wild amount of conference losses. Can't believe UCONN didn't fold their program when they lost 7 conference games 2 seasons ago.
I do not when this season will end. Statistically, it will be with a loss. However, and I have said this all season, get hot from 3 and this team doesn't need to fear anyone. So, I like MU'S chances until they have a cold shooting game in the tourney. Could be in the first round, could be in the final 4.
I think we are seeing a shift in Shaka's recruiting but, as others noted, it goes beyond shooting. I think he generally is focusing on longer more athletic players. I have no idea if they will end up being as good, but Lowery, Owens, and Parham are much more athletic than Stevie, Kam, and Joplin. I generally am not a huge fan of small PGs, but MU's small PGs (Sean Jones and Nigel James) are crazy athletes. Even though Stevens reminds folks of Stevie, Stevens dunks the ball with ease and Stevie cannot. Militec and Phillips are also longer players.
One of the big issues Shaka needs to address, IMO, is how MU becomes a better rebounding team. The aggressive man defense that MU plays requires a lot of switching. Gold is often out of rebounding position because he is helping on D. If Shaka sticks with his current defensive philosophy, he needs guys at 1-4 who are bigger, more physical and better rebounders than what he has. It is great that MU can force a lot of TOs, but they lose focus on rebounding. UConn's run to turn the game around last night started about the time of the tip dunk that would not have happened if Stevie was aware and boxed out the UConn player. Obviously, MU got killed on the glass for the game.
That said, shooting is a huge problem. I asked a while back if MU had a shooting coach and took some heat about it. Shooting coaches are common in the NBA. It is hard to understand Kam missing an FT a foot to the left.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on March 06, 2025, 02:06:57 PMI think he generally is focusing on longer more athletic players. I have no idea if they will end up being as good, but Lowery, Owens, and Parham are much more athletic than Stevie, Kam, and Joplin.
Just remember that Shaka didn't recruit Stevie or Kam.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 06, 2025, 02:09:02 PMJust remember that Shaka didn't recruit Stevie or Kam.
And Royce isn't super athletic. ;)
Quote from: The Sultan on March 06, 2025, 12:23:19 PMLowery, Parham, and to a lesser degree Owens and Ross, were considered good high school three point shooters.
And Tre Norman led the NEPSAC in scoring at nearly 25 points a game. The jump from high school to high level D1 basketball does not translate much of the time.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 06, 2025, 12:47:00 PMDebatable about 2nd best team, and we are talking about where we are now, not 2 or 3 years ago. The current roster is not as competitive in BEast as some posters believe. Cmon man, MU has already lost 6 conference games this year. And some feel satisfied with that.
Yes, the horror that we're a pathetic 13-6 so far has really been getting to me.
It's your old friend panda. I was checking in to the board and this thread compelled me to word vomit my thoughts on Shaka and his roster construction.
First - I love Shaka. He is a good man who proves to earn the trust of his players and families right away which leads to high quality people in the program as well as being in the living room of high quality recruits. With Shaka, we will always be in the mix for good players and will hopefully always have a very competitive roster, challenging for top of the BE.
Shaka is a smart and successful person. Smart and successful people should constantly be evaluating themselves and their surroundings to look to change/improve their situation. I hope Shaka looks back at this season as a learning experience in roster construction as well as takes a long hard look at the way they're playing on the offensive end.
The makeup of the roster this season is borderline malpractice. The fact we have two project bigs redshirted and Caedin Hamilton taking up roster spots is absolutely killer. I'm sure he's a great kid, but Hamilton has no business ever being on a high major college basketball roster. He is completely lost on the floor and has no projectibles. With that said, we now have Ben Gold and Royce Parham sharing the 5 man responsibilities. Ben is such a frustrating player. There are plays where he looks like he's put it all together and then he goes silent for long stretches. He is nowhere near a good enough shooter to play the minutes he's playing to compensate for his lack of consistent offensive production. Royce is going to be an incredible talent, but because of lack of depth, he is playing far more than his current talent level shows.
I love the faith Shaka showed in Kam, letting him play point guard this year to display himself for the next level but I would have loved another body to spell him and allow him to play a bit off the ball.
As for the offensive strategy - Teams who make deep runs in March need to be able to score in a variety of ways when their plan A is not working. I've seen it time and time again this year that there is no plan B when the three ball isn't falling. Nevada's offense works great when you have the best point guard in the country, the best passing big in the country and a bunch of guys who can camp on the perimeter, knock down open shots or reverse the ball to get to the bucket. This year, we don't have that and we're constantly fighting to score at the rim, unless your name is mr. magic Kam Jones. My concern with the current offensive philosophy is without top tier players, it is never going to be very effective. It's easy to defend when no one is hitting outside shots and you have a bunch of players who aren't great scoring at the rim.
Just my two cents - Glad to see everyone is still pluggin along here.
During this season's first four games, Kam shot 52% from 3. Through the first 11 (the entire NC part of the sked), he was still at 41%.
Who knows what happened after that?
Wear and tear on the body? Poor mechanics? Loss of confidence? Teams defending him differently? Some or all of the above?
More recently, there was a 5-game stretch (Feb. 8-25) during which he was at 35%. Not up to his previous years' standards but certainly acceptable. But then 0-5 each of the last two games.
Some here might claim they know why, but nobody does.
I feel for the guy, because he's having a great season and he has a lot of pressure on him. I've so enjoyed having Kam in our program. I wish I could be there Saturday to cheer for him, Stevie and Jop.
I agree 100%..."The makeup of the roster this season is borderline malpractice. The fact we have two project bigs redshirted and Caedin Hamilton taking up roster spots is absolutely killer. I'm sure he's a great kid, but Hamilton has no business ever being on a high major college basketball roster. He is completely lost on the floor and has no projectibles. With that said, we now have Ben Gold and Royce Parham sharing the 5 man responsibilities. Ben is such a frustrating player. There are plays where he looks like he's put it all together and then he goes silent for long stretches. He is nowhere near a good enough shooter to play the minutes he's playing to compensate for his lack of consistent offensive production. Royce is going to be an incredible talent, but because of lack of depth, he is playing far more than his current talent level shows."
(In terms of guards, I agree w/Hutch and others that Tre Norman is a better fit a tier lower, i.e. MAC)
The makeup of the roster is borderline malpractice? We're going to be a 5-7 seed. People here are so dramatic.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2025, 07:22:41 PMThe makeup of the roster is borderline malpractice? We're going to be a 5-7 seed. People here are so dramatic.
Because of the poor guy who averages 6.8 minutes a game.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2025, 07:22:41 PMThe makeup of the roster is borderline malpractice? We're going to be a 5-7 seed. People here are so dramatic.
Imagine what some of the comments will be like during a season when we're on the actual bubble and not comfortably in the field.
To me, this is art
Quote from: The Sultan on March 06, 2025, 07:29:32 PMBecause of the poor guy who averages 6.8 minutes a game.
I think Caedin will be good. Game speed is too fast for him this year. But this is a legit 6'9" kid with bulk and length. He's a redshirt freshman. I don't know why people act surprised that he's rough around the edges. Bigs usually take time to develop. Too early to write him off.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 06, 2025, 08:37:57 PMI think Caedin will be good. Game speed is too fast for him this year. But this is a legit 6'9" kid with bulk and length. He's a redshirt freshman. I don't know why people act surprised that he's rough around the edges. Bigs usually take time to develop. Too early to write him off.
Absolutely.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2025, 08:16:26 PMTo me, this is art
It really is. Part sad comedy, part lame horror, mostly melodrama.
I mean, any person who isn't ready to jump off a ledge because the Marquette men's basketball team isn't 30-0 is a person who "accepts losing."
Woe is us!
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2025, 07:22:41 PMThe makeup of the roster is borderline malpractice? We're going to be a 5-7 seed. People here are so dramatic.
Is this a 5-7 seed team with an impact big and a PG who can spell Kam?
Lots of hyperbole both ways. The program is in good hands. The roster has flaws. The team plays well together. Is it good enough, who knows? Voicing concern, celebrating wins and talking basketball is what a fan board does.
If it makes certain people feel better about themselves to say everyone is an imbecile for voicing concerns they have, fine. If it makes people feel better to say everything is sea shells and balloons, fine. I think most people just want to talk basketball, whether it's reactionary to a single game or more globally on the state of the program.
As in politics, the fringes of these people can come off as the complete d-bags they are accusing others of being.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 06, 2025, 09:21:12 PMIs this a 5-7 seed team with an impact big and a PG who can spell Kam?
Kansas would probably let us borrow Hunter Dickinson and AJ Storr. Self understands how to avoid roster building malpractice.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2025, 09:34:05 PMKansas would probably let us borrow Hunter Dickinson and AJ Storr. Self understands how to avoid roster building malpractice.
That doesn't answer my question but thanks for the extreme and unrealistic example.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 06, 2025, 09:39:53 PMThat doesn't answer my question but thanks for the extreme and unrealistic example.
Who would you have liked Shaka to have gone and gotten? You don't want what were considered the best transfers in their respective transfer class at the positions you want, so...?
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2025, 09:45:51 PMWho would you have liked Shaka to have gone and gotten? You don't want what were considered the best transfers in their respective transfer class at the positions you want, so...?
AJ Storr isn't passing the Shaka personality test and we couldn't afford either Dickinson or Storr, hence poor example.
There are plenty of players every year in the transfer portal. There needs to be more flexibility with roster management on a year to year basis if we're going to compete on a top 25 level. There is going to be a significant talent drop off next season if no additions are made.
Which unless there is roster turnover there won't be any additions. Hence my initial complaint about carrying three bigs who most likely will not be able to contribute much if at all during their time here.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 06, 2025, 09:52:28 PMAJ Storr isn't passing the Shaka personality test and we couldn't afford either Dickinson or Storr, hence poor example.
There are plenty of players every year in the transfer portal. There needs to be more flexibility with roster management on a year to year basis if we're going to compete on a top 25 level. There is going to be a significant talent drop off next season if no additions are made.
Which unless there is roster turnover there won't be any additions. Hence my initial complaint about carrying three bigs who most likely will not be able to contribute much if at all during their time here.
There was going to be a significant drop off in year 2 for Shaka if there weren't portal editions. Same with year 4. Now year 5.
Shaka has proven incapable of developing what he has on his roster.
When you rely on the portal you might end up like SJU or you might end up like Kansas or Arkansas. There's way more volatility in building through the portal.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 06, 2025, 09:21:12 PMIs this a 5-7 seed team with an impact big and a PG who can spell Kam?
Well...in March I don't want anyone playing for Kam. If he's healthy and not in foul trouble, no reason to take him off the floor.
I am a believer to recruit high school players as well as a player in an area you think you are going to be weak at, with 2,000 kids in portal last year, I am sure you could have found a competent front court player or for sure a decent point. Shaka is committed in his process, or very stubborn. Next year will be no different upfront unless he can bring in an experienced big, like Owen Freeman.
Quote from: warriors141 on March 06, 2025, 07:03:07 AMHaving one of the best point guards you have ever had in your program covers things up. A decent backup pg or some size that could be brought off the bench would have been better help to this team than a project redshirt big. Tre and Caedin....not hard to upgrade those guys
Almost like Sean was the plan.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 06, 2025, 09:52:28 PMAJ Storr isn't passing the Shaka personality test and we couldn't afford either Dickinson or Storr, hence poor example.
There are plenty of players every year in the transfer portal. There needs to be more flexibility with roster management on a year to year basis if we're going to compete on a top 25 level. There is going to be a significant talent drop off next season if no additions are made.
Which unless there is roster turnover there won't be any additions. Hence my initial complaint about carrying three bigs who most likely will not be able to contribute much if at all during their time here.
"Poor example"...yet you can't come up with one.
Regardless, with an upcoming 15 player roster, taking a flyer on a big with potential upside and little expectation for immediate playing time is absolutely a right move. They still have an opening for next year in fact.
There seem to be very few plays designed for 3 point shots this year. Are they not emphasized in practice? Is it a coincidence that our free throw shooting is also dismal this year?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 07, 2025, 04:27:09 AM"Poor example"...yet you can't come up with one.
Regardless, with an upcoming 15 player roster, taking a flyer on a big with potential upside and little expectation for immediate playing time is absolutely a right move. They still have an opening for next year in fact.
Wades is right because he comes up with the most hyperbolic example while you think I can't provide any names so I must be wrong. I am happy to list 10 of the top big transfers from this past off season, however I have no idea/neither do any of you, if they any considered Marquette. But once again, my point is, Shaka probably didn't reach out to a JT Toppin, Matt Cross, Danny Wolf, Pharrell Payne, Dillon Mitchell, Lynn Kidd etc. because of the numbers we have currently on the front line depth chart. Which again, is an issue because those guys are not talented enough to play the amount of minutes they're playing.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 06, 2025, 10:06:03 PMThere was going to be a significant drop off in year 2 for Shaka if there weren't portal editions. Same with year 4. Now year 5.
Shaka has proven incapable of developing what he has on his roster.
When you rely on the portal you might end up like SJU or you might end up like Kansas or Arkansas. There's way more volatility in building through the portal.
Alternatively, we have three roster spots tied up by guys who cannot contribute on the team this year when we could've used lots of help on the front line...
Once again, I'm not saying build a team from the portal - Supplement your long term plans with current veteran opportunities from outside the program to improve the roster.
Maybe if you guys start a few more threads about how Shaka is committing "malpractice", he'll go away from what has worked and start listening to anonymous strangers on a message board. Seriously, this is as stupid as complaining about a mascot change in the sense that nothing you say is gonna make a difference.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 07:07:38 AMMaybe if you guys start a few more threads about how Shaka is committing "malpractice", he'll go away from what has worked and start listening to anonymous strangers on a message board. Seriously, this is as stupid as complaining about a mascot change in the sense that nothing you say is gonna make a difference.
Disagree
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 07:08:01 AMDisagree
Keep at it, we'll be the Hilltoppers again someday.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 07:09:07 AMKeep at it, we'll be the Hilltoppers again someday.
Fingers crossed. Too bad the woke mob is too fat to walk up hills
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 06:16:12 AMAlternatively, we have three roster spots tied up by guys who cannot contribute on the team this year when we could've used lots of help on the front line...
Once again, I'm not saying build a team from the portal - Supplement your long term plans with current veteran opportunities from outside the program to improve the roster.
as Tower pointed out a week or two ago, MU will have a very balanced roster next season. Talented?... no matta, balanced!
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 06:12:59 AMWades is right because he comes up with the most hyperbolic example while you think I can't provide any names so I must be wrong. I am happy to list 10 of the top big transfers from this past off season, however I have no idea/neither do any of you, if they any considered Marquette. But once again, my point is, Shaka probably didn't reach out to a JT Toppin, Matt Cross, Danny Wolf, Pharrell Payne, Dillon Mitchell, Lynn Kidd etc. because of the numbers we have currently on the front line depth chart. Which again, is an issue because those guys are not talented enough to play the amount of minutes they're playing.
Hey look, someone just used Google!
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 07:07:38 AMMaybe if you guys start a few more threads about how Shaka is committing "malpractice", he'll go away from what has worked and start listening to anonymous strangers on a message board. Seriously, this is as stupid as complaining about a mascot change in the sense that nothing you say is gonna make a difference.
Well, when you have Viper and a re-emergence of panda pushing a point, it does make you think right? ::)
Quote from: The Sultan on March 07, 2025, 07:53:01 AMWell, when you have Viper and a re-emergence of panda pushing a point, it does make you think right? ::)
The tennis thread is in imminent danger.
Quote from: Viper on March 07, 2025, 07:47:09 AMas Tower pointed out a week or two ago, MU will have a very balanced roster next season. Talented?... no matta, balanced!
You should make sure to undersell the talent to your brother-in-law starting now then. Might ease the sting of him being mean to you this December
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 06, 2025, 09:52:28 PMAJ Storr isn't passing the Shaka personality test and we couldn't afford either Dickinson or Storr, hence poor example.
There are plenty of players every year in the transfer portal. There needs to be more flexibility with roster management on a year to year basis if we're going to compete on a top 25 level. There is going to be a significant talent drop off next season if no additions are made.
Which unless there is roster turnover there won't be any additions. Hence my initial complaint about carrying three bigs who most likely will not be able to contribute much if at all during their time here.
I'm confused - we have been competing at a top 25 level (and quite often a top-10 level) the last 3 seasons with Shaka's retain and develop approach.
So we won't be able to compete at the level going forward even though that's essentially all we've done aside from Shaka's 1st season?
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Quote from: The Sultan on March 07, 2025, 07:51:33 AMHey look, someone just used Google!
Quote from: The Sultan on March 07, 2025, 04:27:09 AM"Poor example"...yet you can't come up with one.
Regardless, with an upcoming 15 player roster, taking a flyer on a big with potential upside and little expectation for immediate playing time is absolutely a right move. They still have an opening for next year in fact.
"Poor example, yet you can't come up with one."
Provides many examples - those don't count because I say so! lol
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2025, 10:26:54 AMI'm confused - we have been competing at a top 25 level (and quite often a top-10 level) the last 3 seasons with Shaka's retain and develop approach.
So we won't be able to compete at the level going forward even though that's essentially all we've done aside from Shaka's 1st season?
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Do you think we will compete at a top 25 level next season without any significant transfer additions?
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 10:54:17 AMDo you think we will compete at a top 25 level next season without any significant transfer additions?
Yes.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 10:52:19 AM"Poor example, yet you can't come up with one."
Provides many examples - those don't count because I say so! lol
But I'm right though. You had no idea who these people were until you Googled them.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 10:54:17 AMDo you think we will compete at a top 25 level next season without any significant transfer additions?
Yes.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 10:54:17 AMDo you think we will compete at a top 25 level next season without any significant transfer additions?
Yes, I think that's more likely than not.
Also, you didn't answer the question. Shaka's approach has generated 3 seasons in a row of a top 25 team.
Logically, why do you not think this is sustainable going forward based on the results we've seen to-date?
I'm not saying their won't be a blip here and there - that happens to almost every program (see UConn this season).
I just find it exceedingly bizarre that people want to pivot away from an approach that has been extremely successful so far.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 06:16:12 AMAlternatively, we have three roster spots tied up by guys who cannot contribute on the team this year when we could've used lots of help on the front line...
Once again, I'm not saying build a team from the portal - Supplement your long term plans with current veteran opportunities from outside the program to improve the roster.
Seems like the know it alls prefer for our team to play with one hand tied behind their back without a big who can rebound or go to the hoop with the ball like all of the top 10 teams have.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2025, 10:26:54 AMI'm confused - we have been competing at a top 25 level (and quite often a top-10 level) the last 3 seasons with Shaka's retain and develop approach.
So we won't be able to compete at the level going forward even though that's essentially all we've done aside from Shaka's 1st season?
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You're not alone. Shaka's teams have been competitive and fun to watch. After seven years of Wojo, you'd think folks would be happy. MU is not going to out recruit the Dukes and UNCs and they aren't going to have the portal cash of Kansas or Kentucky. You have to win with less at MU and you do that through roster continuity and getting players who'll stay and become older. To do that, you need to commit to the players you recruit.
Get to the tournament often and every once in a while break past the first weekend and see what happens. That seems to me a reasonable goal for the program. That's the path MU is on under Shaka.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 10:54:17 AMDo you think we will compete at a top 25 level next season without any significant transfer additions?
Absolutely.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 07, 2025, 11:01:44 AMSeems like the know it alls prefer for our team to play with one hand tied behind their back without a big who can rebound or go to the hoop with the ball like all of the top 10 teams have.
Oh, like St. Johns? They don't have a guy on their roster over 6'9 that plays meaningful minutes, yet they are ranked 6 in the nation.
Hmmmmm
Quote from: The Sultan on March 07, 2025, 10:55:27 AMBut I'm right though. You had no idea who these people were until you Googled them.
I know those guys- I watch more college basketball than I care to admit #thxgambling
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2025, 10:59:40 AMYes, I think that's more likely than not.
Also, you didn't answer the question. Shaka's approach has generated 3 seasons in a row of a top 25 team.
Logically, why do you not think this is sustainable going forward based on the results we've seen to-date?
I'm not saying their won't be a blip here and there - that happens to almost every program (see UConn this season).
I just find it exceedingly bizarre that people want to pivot away from an approach that has been extremely successful so far.
Because we've lost our entire core of oso, tk, kam, jop and Stevie which all played a huge role in those high achieving teams.
Without any transfer additions, I think we can get back to top 25 level in two years, but next year will be growing pains. Limited depth on the front line, a pg coming off an acl and no proven, consistent volume scorer.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 07:07:38 AMMaybe if you guys start a few more threads about how Shaka is committing "malpractice", he'll go away from what has worked and start listening to anonymous strangers on a message board. Seriously, this is as stupid as complaining about a mascot change in the sense that nothing you say is gonna make a difference.
I like it, sort of like Shakespearean comedy
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 06:12:59 AMWades is right because he comes up with the most hyperbolic example while you think I can't provide any names so I must be wrong. I am happy to list 10 of the top big transfers from this past off season, however I have no idea/neither do any of you, if they any considered Marquette. But once again, my point is, Shaka probably didn't reach out to a JT Toppin, Matt Cross, Danny Wolf, Pharrell Payne, Dillon Mitchell, Lynn Kidd etc. because of the numbers we have currently on the front line depth chart. Which again, is an issue because those guys are not talented enough to play the amount of minutes they're playing.
"Shaka probably didn't reach..." so, you have no effing idea.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 11:20:31 AMBecause we've lost our entire core of oso, tk, kam, jop and Stevie which all played a huge role in those high achieving teams.
Without any transfer additions, I think we can get back to top 25 level in two years, but next year will be growing pains. Limited depth on the front line, a pg coming off an acl and no proven, consistent volume scorer.
Oso was a bench rider before Shaka molded him.
TKO was written off as a mid-major transfer to be a role player by this board.
Kam has always been a bucket, and we will miss him for sure.
Stevie is the glue guy who will be missed, but we can replace his points. His defense is stellar, but we have guys who can fill in and are far more athletic.
Jop is a good player and person, but certainly not irreplaceable.
NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE thought Tyler Kolek and Kam Jones would end up as All Americans. After his Sophomore year, did you (or anyone) think Oso would be an NBA player? Give our coach some effing credit, Jesus.
You're just being silly. We're going to be fine. Every player under Shaka has improved year over year, and I fully expect that to be the case with our current guys and incoming freshman.
Next year, we won't have "that guy" that we can look to immediately, but that is probably for the better as we've seen what happens sometimes when everyone looks to Kam to put the team on his back. The team will adapt, and the offense will change. Shaka is a very smart man and will find a way to get his guys to play the way that will give them the best chance to win.
Plus we have a great recruiting class of Freshman.
Bunch of chicken little's want to write off next year's squad with this year's squad still playing games.
Scoop gonna scoop, I guess
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 07, 2025, 11:31:34 AM"Shaka probably didn't reach..." so, you have no effing idea.
Once again, that's my point in carrying three guys who will probably never play significant minutes in a Marquette uniform.
I don't know/neither do any of you if Shaka reached out or considered reaching out to any of those guys - But he probably didn't because we have Hamilton, Amado, Clark eating up roster spots. Which is not the way to win on college basketball today.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 11:37:16 AMOnce again, that's my point in carrying three guys who will probably never play significant minutes in a Marquette uniform.
I don't know/neither do any of you if Shaka reached out or considered reaching out to any of those guys - But he probably didn't because we have Hamilton, Amado, Clark eating up roster spots. Which is not the way to win on college basketball today.
So again you have no idea, so your point has no basis in reality. Lord do I hate probably, this is why the US is great again.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 07, 2025, 11:01:44 AMSeems like the know it alls prefer for our team to play with one hand tied behind their back without a big who can rebound or go to the hoop with the ball like all of the top 10 teams have.
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Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 11:37:16 AMOnce again, that's my point in carrying three guys who will probably never play significant minutes in a Marquette uniform.
I don't know/neither do any of you if Shaka reached out or considered reaching out to any of those guys - But he probably didn't because we have Hamilton, Amado, Clark eating up roster spots. Which is not the way to win on college basketball today.
Yet he has an open roster spot even with those 3 eating scholarships.
Quote from: wadesworld on March 07, 2025, 11:44:07 AMYet he has an open roster spot even with those 3 eating scholarships.
By not having that extra seat on the floor MU saves a couple of K's from FiFo fees, PROBABLY that is the strategy.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 11:20:31 AMBecause we've lost our entire core of oso, tk, kam, jop and Stevie which all played a huge role in those high achieving teams.
Without any transfer additions, I think we can get back to top 25 level in two years, but next year will be growing pains. Limited depth on the front line, a pg coming off an acl and no proven, consistent volume scorer.
We lost two Marquette greats last season to the NBA. Yet we've been in the top 25 all season and as high as #5.
We're losing 3 more really good players, including a guy that will likely end up as the 2nd leading scorer in program history after this season.
We're not losing all 5 in one year.
Sure, there will probably be bumps in the road next season and if the team is ultimately not a top 25 team that's ok (I still think it will be).
But if Shaka starts changing his philosophy that reverberates with all of the guys who will still be here and that he is still recruiting. Suddenly the culture that has been built doesn't look the same anymore and retention becomes more challenging. It's not worth it.
I also remember the leaps TK, Oso, Kam and Omax took going into the 22-23 season. Of course, you can't always count on that level of development but I see a lot of talent already in house. I expect Chase and Ben will both improve again and I would not be remotely surprised with massive leaps for Zaide, Royce, and Damarius.
I'm trusting Shaka and staff until I see evidence on the court to show his approach is no longer working.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 07, 2025, 11:36:32 AMOso was a bench rider before Shaka molded him.
TKO was written off as a mid-major transfer to be a role player by this board.
Kam has always been a bucket, and we will miss him for sure.
Stevie is the glue guy who will be missed, but we can replace his points. His defense is stellar, but we have guys who can fill in and are far more athletic.
Jop is a good player and person, but certainly not irreplaceable.
NO ONE, and I mean NO ONE thought Tyler Kolek and Kam Jones would end up as All Americans. After his Sophomore year, did you (or anyone) think Oso would be an NBA player? Give our coach some effing credit, Jesus.
You're just being silly. We're going to be fine. Every player under Shaka has improved year over year, and I fully expect that to be the case with our current guys and incoming freshman.
Next year, we won't have "that guy" that we can look to immediately, but that is probably for the better as we've seen what happens sometimes when everyone looks to Kam to put the team on his back. The team will adapt, and the offense will change. Shaka is a very smart man and will find a way to get his guys to play the way that will give them the best chance to win.
Plus we have a great recruiting class of Freshman.
Bunch of chicken little's want to write off next year's squad with this year's squad still playing games.
Scoop gonna scoop, I guess
I've been the biggest jop supporter on this board long before it was fashionable to ride the jop wagon.
I've been in love with Kam since his freshman year. I never spoke a bad word about Kolek. I'll try and find my first post re Kolek when he decided to come here when I lauded his passing and court vision at George mason, while non ball knowers like
Sultan thought he was a great shooter. (I do watch cbb #thxgambling)
The receipts are all there from the artist formerly known as panda.
I love the young core we have now, but ultimately I don't think that core is ready to absorb the loss of the guardians without any help from the portal.
I hope I'm wrong, but we'll need help from the outside to remain at the level we're accustomed to, but I don't know how much flexibility we have.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 10:54:17 AMDo you think we will compete at a top 25 level next season without any significant transfer additions?
oooo I like this question. I'm going to go no but I hope I'm wrong.
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on March 07, 2025, 11:51:16 AMoooo I like this question. I'm going to go no but I hope I'm wrong.
I go yes, because we have a Smart coaching staff.
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 07, 2025, 11:54:15 AMI go yes, because we have a Smart coaching staff.
nice like the pun
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 11:49:50 AMThe receipts are all there from the artist formerly known as panda.
Why is it the artist formerly known as Panda? Did you lose your log in info or something? Or was there some other incident that caused your (maybe not so voluntary) hiatus?
Either way, you can complain as much as you want here, it won't change a thing. If you truly believe you know better than Shaka, go write a letter. He's paid a lot of money to win basketball games, so if someone came to him with "THE" solution, it actually would be malpractice for him to ignore it.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 11:55:05 AMWhy is it the artist formerly known as Panda? Did you lose your log in info or something? Or was there some other incident that caused your (maybe not so voluntary) hiatus?
Either way, you can complain as much as you want here, it won't change a thing. If you truly believe you know better than Shaka, go write a letter. He's paid a lot of money to win basketball games, so if someone came to him with "THE" solution, it actually would be malpractice for him to ignore it.
Good points as usual - Nobody here has any decision making power with the program so can anyone discuss the goings on of the program ?
I don't mind the debate. It's what message boards are for.
That said, I'll keep on believing in the Shaka way until it's PROVEN to no longer work.
IMO, I doubt we're top 25 next year mainly because of concerns about the PG position and lack of scoring.
But, even if not top 25 next year, I'll only start to become concerned if 26-27 isn't back to the norm.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 07, 2025, 12:01:28 PMBut, even if not top 25 next year, I'll only start to become concerned if 26-27 isn't back to the norm.
This is the main part I agree with. I'm not the biggest Shaka guy (I think he's a great culture guy, more solid than great basketball coach), but next year is just about developing for the future.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2025, 10:26:54 AMI'm confused - we have been competing at a top 25 level (and quite often a top-10 level) the last 3 seasons with Shaka's retain and develop approach.
So we won't be able to compete at the level going forward even though that's essentially all we've done aside from Shaka's 1st season?
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I just came here to say this.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 11:55:05 AMWhy is it the artist formerly known as Panda? Did you lose your log in info or something? Or was there some other incident that caused your (maybe not so voluntary) hiatus?
Didn't panda and shoothoops get banned for some sort of ridiculous argument?
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 11:59:30 AMGood points as usual - Nobody here has any decision making power with the program so can anyone discuss the goings on of the program ?
The goings on of the program? Sure, let's talk about how we match up with St. Johns. Strengths, weaknesses, areas we can exploit. Let's talk about properly appreciating the Seniors and all they've given to the program. Let's talk about it being "Al's Day" and what he meant to the program. Let's talk about the incoming Freshman and what our level of expectations can/should be for them.
Transfer/roster decisions or lack thereof both from previous summers as well as future summers? Criticizing Shaka's method of building a roster (which has had a tremendous amount of success BTW). Let's avoid those.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 07, 2025, 12:04:41 PMDidn't panda and shoothoops get banned for some sort of ridiculous argument?
That's what I thought, although I'm sure this new Panda can shed more light on it.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 07, 2025, 12:01:28 PMI don't mind the debate. It's what message boards are for.
That said, I'll keep on believing in the Shaka way until it's PROVEN to no longer work.
IMO, I doubt we're top 25 next year mainly because of concerns about the PG position and lack of scoring.
But, even if not top 25 next year, I'll only start to become concerned if 26-27 isn't back to the norm.
This is part of it and the other part is, wanting transfers has been beaten to death (like most things here, guilty as charged).
That's why I started the transfer thread. Shoot your shot on who is available and who you think fits Marquette. Don't care if he's connected to Marquette or not, list your guy, why you want him and then stick with him, good or bad through 25-26.
Many will be wrong, many will be right about guys. Whether Shaka should or shouldn't has been argued ad nauseam. Personally, I hope he adds through the portal this off-season. I suspect he won't but once the portal starts filling up, I'll pick a few I think would be good fits and see how it plays out
To be fair, we still have an opening for next year and it doesn't seem like we are recruiting anyone to fill it. (Though I admit we don't know with Shaka.)
So what is he going to do with this? I can't imagine he is interested in a freshman who could be in the rotation - unless it's a '26 guy who could reclass. Another project? A transfer? A gift scholarship to a walk-on?
I don't think he would bank it...but with a senior class of two, maybe that's an option.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 12:04:58 PMThe goings on of the program? Sure, let's talk about how we match up with St. Johns. Strengths, weaknesses, areas we can exploit. Let's talk about properly appreciating the Seniors and all they've given to the program. Let's talk about it being "Al's Day" and what he meant to the program. Let's talk about the incoming Freshman and what our level of expectations can/should be for them.
Transfer/roster decisions or lack thereof both from previous summers as well as future summers? Criticizing Shaka's method of building a roster (which has had a tremendous amount of success BTW). Let's avoid those.
As much as you'd like to believe it true, you're not the arbiter of discourse here.
If you don't like the tenor of conversation, simply move along.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 12:12:02 PMAs much as you'd like to believe it true, you're not the arbiter of discourse here.
If you don't like the tenor of conversation, simply move along.
I neither have nor want that power, although it is interesting that those that do used it to not allow you to have a "tenor of conversation".
It's frustrating because as Rico said, it had been beat to death so many times, and every time it is, we say that Shaka is not going to change, and every time Shaka doesn't change, and then every time, someone else brings up the idea that Shaka should change. If his methods hadn't been working, I'm sure many would agree with you. If his methods stop working, I'm sure many will agree with you. Until that actually happens, and I'm sure I'll have to repeat this part, Shaka is not going to change his approach.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 12:15:16 PMI neither have nor want that power, although it is interesting that those that do used it to not allow you to have a "tenor of conversation".
It's frustrating because as Rico said, it had been beat to death so many times, and every time it is, we say that Shaka is not going to change, and every time Shaka doesn't change, and then every time, someone else brings up the idea that Shaka should change. If his methods hadn't been working, I'm sure many would agree with you. If his methods stop working, I'm sure many will agree with you. Until that actually happens, and I'm sure I'll have to repeat this part, Shaka is not going to change his approach.
And yet here you are doing it again lol
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 12:20:12 PMAnd yet here you are doing it again lol
Because some people never learn.
Talk about it all you want I guess. You and Viper can meet at his BIL and discuss the lost art of the midrange and aircraft carriers. Just understand, that no matter how much you talk about it, no matter how many times you get banned, it's not going to change anything.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 12:23:15 PMBecause some people never learn.
Talk about it all you want I guess. You and Viper can meet at his BIL and discuss the lost art of the midrange and aircraft carriers. Just understand, that no matter how much you talk about it, no matter how many times you get banned, it's not going to change anything.
And again...
As it stands with the returnees, I see a top 40-50 team, potentially bubbly depending on what the rest of the BE does. I think, unlike this year, they'll struggle out of the gates a bit but begin to hit their stride around league play.
The issue as I see it compared to past teams, is that this group of seniors (as well as Oso and Tyler before them) all had a more gradual growth in terms of role and responsibilities.
You're going to need Sean, Tre, Zaide all to be much better and take on more than they have so far. The leap they're going to have to make from sophomores to juniors will be bigger than past classes. That will ultimately set the floor, what Royce/Owens/the freshman give will set the ceiling.
Could a portal addition, especially in the frontcourt, help? I think it would raise their ceiling. I think the defensive rebounding issues have put a cap on what the last three teams could accomplish. Having to consistently guard for extended possessions takes a toll on a team.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 12:06:27 PMThis is part of it and the other part is, wanting transfers has been beaten to death (like most things here, guilty as charged).
That's why I started the transfer thread. Shoot your shot on who is available and who you think fits Marquette. Don't care if he's connected to Marquette or not, list your guy, why you want him and then stick with him, good or bad through 25-26.
Many will be wrong, many will be right about guys. Whether Shaka should or shouldn't has been argued ad nauseam. Personally, I hope he adds through the portal this off-season. I suspect he won't but once the portal starts filling up, I'll pick a few I think would be good fits and see how it plays out
Shoot your shot, great sinful movie title.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 11:49:50 AMI've been the biggest jop supporter on this board long before it was fashionable to ride the jop wagon.
I've been in love with Kam since his freshman year. I never spoke a bad word about Kolek. I'll try and find my first post re Kolek when he decided to come here when I lauded his passing and court vision at George mason, while non ball knowers like
Sultan thought he was a great shooter. (I do watch cbb #thxgambling)
The receipts are all there from the artist formerly known as panda.
I love the young core we have now, but ultimately I don't think that core is ready to absorb the loss of the guardians without any help from the portal.
I hope I'm wrong, but we'll need help from the outside to remain at the level we're accustomed to, but I don't know how much flexibility we have.
You're missing the point. Our coach made those guys who they are. History says he can probably do that again.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 07, 2025, 01:27:59 PMYou're missing the point. Our coach made those guys who they are. History says he can probably do that again.
No I understand the point good and well. Players in the past were much further along in their development cycle than what I'm seeing from the young players this season, hence why I believe we will see a drop off next year if there are no transfer additions.
https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/oso-ighodaro/7372
Averaged 5.5 points, 3.3 rebounds, and .9 assists per game his sophomore year in 18.2 min/game
he was a foul MACHINE, too.
Players develop and sometimes things just click. Zaide seemed to 'get it' about halfway through this year. Perhaps it will click with some of the highly rated recruits this summer, or someone might have a break out performance in the tournaments to come.
Shaka finds a way.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 12:23:15 PMBecause some people never learn.
Talk about it all you want I guess. You and Viper can meet at his BIL and discuss the lost art of the midrange and aircraft carriers. Just understand, that no matter how much you talk about it, no matter how many times you get banned, it's not going to change anything.
I'll ask you...but it's a group question...why get bent? So you disagree with Panda. You disagree with me. Fine. No problem. But so many on Scoop take it as a personal affront if someone goes against the grain, regardless of topic. Why? Say you disagree. Make a point. Move on. Is Panda wrong to point out his opinion on the talent or lack of on the roster? Am I? It's opinion! Go to my BIL? Things will never change? Ok, I guess. Anyway, good discussion otherwise.
Quote from: Viper on March 07, 2025, 04:05:15 PMI'll ask you...but it's a group question...why get bent? So you disagree with Panda. You disagree with me. Fine. No problem. But so many on Scoop take it as a personal affront if someone goes against the grain, regardless of topic. Why? Say you disagree. Make a point. Move on. Is Panda wrong to point out his opinion on the talent or lack of on the roster? Am I? It's opinion! Go to my BIL? Things will never change? Ok, I guess. Anyway, good discussion otherwise.
As I said in that post, it's because you never learn. Shaka has said what he's going to do. He has followed what he said he was going to do, to great success. Still, there are posters questioning why he doesn't throw that out to do something else. It's been explained so many times that at this point, you have to be willfully ignorant to be having the "opinions" that you do.
Quote from: Its DJOver on March 07, 2025, 04:13:52 PMAs I said in that post, it's because you never learn. Shaka has said what he's going to do. He has followed what he said he was going to do, to great success. Still, there are posters questioning why he doesn't throw that out to do something else. It's been explained so many times that at this point, you have to be willfully ignorant to be having the "opinions" that you do.
my last point... I understand Shaka's approach. Completely. I believe he's been successful. I don't believe, however, that Shaka's approach to roster development will take MU to a F4. Hope I'm wrong. And, you can disagree with me on my opines. No problem. Imo there are possibilities out there via the portal that could help MU more than some players on the current roster. And yeah, he's the coach and I'm just a guy opining from the sticks, but isn't that the point of Scoop? Opine? Isn't this the point of this particular topic and thread? Roster talk? Shaka ain't portal shopping. I wish he'd reconsider knowing he will not. Discuss on Scoop.
Quote from: Viper on March 07, 2025, 04:54:51 PMmy last point... I understand Shaka's approach. Completely. I believe he's been successful. I don't believe, however, that Shaka's approach to roster development will take MU to a F4. Hope I'm wrong. And, you can disagree with me on my opines. No problem. Imo there are possibilities out there via the portal that could help MU more than some players on the current roster. And yeah, he's the coach and I'm just a guy opining from the sticks, but isn't that the point of Scoop? Opine? Isn't this the point of this particular topic and thread? Roster talk? Shaka ain't portal shopping. I wish he'd reconsider knowing he will not. Discuss on Scoop.
Why is that you don't acknowledge the downside of "portal shopping" and the likelihood it leads to less retention? Maybe the next time a Kam Jones will take the bag instead and not come back for his senior season.
Your view just seems short-sighted and focused on a quick fix without considering the downsides.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on March 07, 2025, 05:05:43 PMWhy is that you don't acknowledge the downside of "portal shopping" and the likelihood it leads to less retention? Maybe the next time a Kam Jones will take the bag instead and not come back for his senior season.
Your view just seems short-sighted and focused on a quick fix without considering the downsides.
He's too busy calling one season an "outlier year" despite the fact it wasn't an outlier.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 07, 2025, 12:47:46 PMAs it stands with the returnees, I see a top 40-50 team, potentially bubbly depending on what the rest of the BE does. I think, unlike this year, they'll struggle out of the gates a bit but begin to hit their stride around league play.
The issue as I see it compared to past teams, is that this group of seniors (as well as Oso and Tyler before them) all had a more gradual growth in terms of role and responsibilities.
You're going to need Sean, Tre, Zaide all to be much better and take on more than they have so far. The leap they're going to have to make from sophomores to juniors will be bigger than past classes. That will ultimately set the floor, what Royce/Owens/the freshman give will set the ceiling.
Could a portal addition, especially in the frontcourt, help? I think it would raise their ceiling. I think the defensive rebounding issues have put a cap on what the last three teams could accomplish. Having to consistently guard for extended possessions takes a toll on a team.
Yes. This. It's a discussion. The same five posters who don't want to talk about it can PM each other on how dumb everyone is. It's just as embarrassing. They just don't realize it.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 06:16:12 AMAlternatively, we have three roster spots tied up by guys who cannot contribute on the team this year when we could've used lots of help on the front line...
Once again, I'm not saying build a team from the portal - Supplement your long term plans with current veteran opportunities from outside the program to improve the roster.
With 15 roster spots now, the fact that 13-15 are not contributing is of zero relevance.
Quote from: MUfan12 on March 07, 2025, 12:47:46 PMAs it stands with the returnees, I see a top 40-50 team, potentially bubbly depending on what the rest of the BE does. I think, unlike this year, they'll struggle out of the gates a bit but begin to hit their stride around league play.
The issue as I see it compared to past teams, is that this group of seniors (as well as Oso and Tyler before them) all had a more gradual growth in terms of role and responsibilities.
You're going to need Sean, Tre, Zaide all to be much better and take on more than they have so far. The leap they're going to have to make from sophomores to juniors will be bigger than past classes. That will ultimately set the floor, what Royce/Owens/the freshman give will set the ceiling.
Could a portal addition, especially in the frontcourt, help? I think it would raise their ceiling. I think the defensive rebounding issues have put a cap on what the last three teams could accomplish. Having to consistently guard for extended possessions takes a toll on a team.
I think MU fans would not be to happy if the team will be that bad. Shaka sees the issues better than us, please add one experienced player!
Quote from: Viper on March 07, 2025, 04:54:51 PMmy last point... I understand Shaka's approach. Completely. I believe he's been successful. I don't believe, however, that Shaka's approach to roster development will take MU to a F4. Hope I'm wrong. And, you can disagree with me on my opines. No problem. Imo there are possibilities out there via the portal that could help MU more than some players on the current roster. And yeah, he's the coach and I'm just a guy opining from the sticks, but isn't that the point of Scoop? Opine? Isn't this the point of this particular topic and thread? Roster talk? Shaka ain't portal shopping. I wish he'd reconsider knowing he will not. Discuss on Scoop.
A FF? MU has only made three in its history and two were before some on this board were born. Even with Wade (an NBA HoF), Diener, Novak, et.al., MU made it once. They didn't get there with Butler and Crowder. Let's face it, lightning has to strike for MU to make a FF and that is just as likely following Shaka's approach as relying on the portal. The key is making the NCAAs consistently and catching a break. This will be Shaka's fourth consecutive NCAA bid. If Shaka wants to go to the portal at some point, it's fine with me but his approach is working.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on March 07, 2025, 05:42:38 PMWith 15 roster spots now, the fact that 13-15 are not contributing is of zero relevance.
It does when you only have 2 bigs, both of which should not be playing as many minutes as they're playing.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 11:20:31 AMBecause we've lost our entire core of oso, tk, kam, jop and Stevie which all played a huge role in those high achieving teams.
Without any transfer additions, I think we can get back to top 25 level in two years, but next year will be growing pains. Limited depth on the front line, a pg coming off an acl and no proven, consistent volume scorer.
We didn't have a proven consistent volume scorer in 2022-23 and won double Big East titles behind an electric offense.
You don't need proven volume scoring, that's a fallacy. You need your scorers to be highly efficient. Chase, Zaide, Royce, Gold, all of them are efficient enough to step up as leading scorers.
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2025, 08:50:02 PMWe didn't have a proven consistent volume scorer in 2022-23 and won double Big East titles behind an electric offense.
You don't need proven volume scoring, that's a fallacy. You need your scorers to be highly efficient. Chase, Zaide, Royce, Gold, all of them are efficient enough to step up as leading scorers.
Does Kolek have any eligibility left :-)
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 08:59:22 PMDoes Kolek have any eligibility left :-)
He did when he left early for the NBA, actually. Thank God he showed up to MU's campus as an NBA player. Shaka can't develop players. Hope he can find some reliable, proven NBA talent in the portal to bring in!
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 08:59:22 PMDoes Kolek have any eligibility left :-)
I remember when people were saying Kolek shouldn't be a starter
Quote from: brewcity77 on March 07, 2025, 08:50:02 PMWe didn't have a proven consistent volume scorer in 2022-23 and won double Big East titles behind an electric offense.
You don't need proven volume scoring, that's a fallacy. You need your scorers to be highly efficient. Chase, Zaide, Royce, Gold, all of them are efficient enough to step up as leading scorers.
I like it Brew!
Quote from: Hards Alumni on March 07, 2025, 11:10:20 AMOh, like St. Johns? They don't have a guy on their roster over 6'9 that plays meaningful minutes, yet they are ranked 6 in the nation.
Hmmmmm
STJ will get bounced early from the tourney.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 07, 2025, 09:44:07 PMSTJ will get bounced early from the tourney.
I agree with that. In fact MU should kick their ass today at home. If they can't, then Shaka needs to get his ass in gear and develop a new strategy.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 06:42:48 AMI agree with that. In fact MU should kick their ass today at home. If they can't, then Shaka needs to get his ass in gear and develop a new strategy.
😆 😂
Quote from: willie warrior on March 08, 2025, 06:42:48 AMI agree with that. In fact MU should kick their ass today at home. If they can't, then Shaka needs to get his ass in gear and develop a new strategy.
The wise man pauses to appreciate the small wonders in his life, and does not concern himself with Ramsey's rectum, Dung Willie
MU has enough talent and enough talent coming in to remain relevant for the next several years .Recruiting and development are not the issues, the issue is not having our bigs go to the goal to score. How many times do you see Gold, Jop or Parham drive hard into the lane just to stop ,pivot and look to pass out for a 3? New rule...If you are an MU big and you have the ball 4ft. from the rim score the damn ball.
Quote from: hawk on March 09, 2025, 12:34:54 PMMU has enough talent and enough talent coming in to remain relevant for the next several years .Recruiting and development are not the issues, the issue is not having our bigs go to the goal to score. How many times do you see Gold, Jop or Parham drive hard into the lane just to stop ,pivot and look to pass out for a 3? New rule...If you are an MU big and you have the ball 4ft. from the rim score the damn ball.
And when they miss or turn it over, you will say they should have looked for the open player in the perimeter.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 07, 2025, 09:44:07 PMSTJ will get bounced early from the tourney.
Rick Pitino has taken three teams to the FF, and clearly knows how to notch wins in the tourney. St John's is not getting bounced early. This is a really good team that will create major problems with its tenacious defensive effort and rebounding ability. Luis is a star. He hurt us yesterday with one clutch play after another.
Quote from: bradforster on March 09, 2025, 01:19:22 PMRick Pitino has taken three teams to the FF, and clearly knows how to notch wins in the tourney. St John's is not getting bounced early. This is a really good team that will create major problems with its tenacious defensive effort and rebounding ability. Luis is a star. He hurt us yesterday with one clutch play after another.
Depending on matchup, they could certainly go down early. Teams that don't shoot well are always vulnerable. Pitino has been upset before early on in the tournament. They're a good, far from great team. We'll see.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 09, 2025, 01:29:49 PMDepending on matchup, they could certainly go down early. Teams that don't shoot well are always vulnerable. Pitino has been upset before early on in the tournament. They're a good, far from great team. We'll see.
Teams that rely on shooting and then don't shoot well are vulnerable.
St. John's has won all season despite poor shooting.
They beat Creighton while shooting 38% from the floor. Beat UConn in a game they were 4-for-21 from three. Won the first Marquette game going 3-for-18 from three and 17-for-31 from the line. Won yesterday going 5-for-23 from three.
Seems to me they can weather an off shooting night better than most.
St. John's won't get away with all the pushing, shoving, and grabbing in the NCAA tournament. That's why I think they are an early exit from the tournament.
But who knows, worse teams have certainly made the Final Four.
Just saying scoring the ball on a drive from a big should be the 1st option not the last. Get fouled , make the refs pay attention to you. Make the other team expect you to drive which in turn would open the outside shot.
Quote from: hawk on March 09, 2025, 12:34:54 PMMU has enough talent and enough talent coming in to remain relevant for the next several years .Recruiting and development are not the issues, the issue is not having our bigs go to the goal to score. How many times do you see Gold, Jop or Parham drive hard into the lane just to stop ,pivot and look to pass out for a 3? New rule...If you are an MU big and you have the ball 4ft. from the rim score the damn ball.
Relevance is not a goal, competing for titles is. You are rightabout bigs but shakas offensive strategy ignore bigs. We need bangers that can muscle in traffic down low.
Parham could help ifhe adds 20 pounds of muscle. But Shaka does not have bangers in the equation.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 06, 2025, 04:11:43 PMIt's your old friend panda. I was checking in to the board and this thread compelled me to word vomit my thoughts on Shaka and his roster construction.
First - I love Shaka. He is a good man who proves to earn the trust of his players and families right away which leads to high quality people in the program as well as being in the living room of high quality recruits. With Shaka, we will always be in the mix for good players and will hopefully always have a very competitive roster, challenging for top of the BE.
Shaka is a smart and successful person. Smart and successful people should constantly be evaluating themselves and their surroundings to look to change/improve their situation. I hope Shaka looks back at this season as a learning experience in roster construction as well as takes a long hard look at the way they're playing on the offensive end.
The makeup of the roster this season is borderline malpractice. The fact we have two project bigs redshirted and Caedin Hamilton taking up roster spots is absolutely killer. I'm sure he's a great kid, but Hamilton has no business ever being on a high major college basketball roster. He is completely lost on the floor and has no projectibles. With that said, we now have Ben Gold and Royce Parham sharing the 5 man responsibilities. Ben is such a frustrating player. There are plays where he looks like he's put it all together and then he goes silent for long stretches. He is nowhere near a good enough shooter to play the minutes he's playing to compensate for his lack of consistent offensive production. Royce is going to be an incredible talent, but because of lack of depth, he is playing far more than his current talent level shows.
I love the faith Shaka showed in Kam, letting him play point guard this year to display himself for the next level but I would have loved another body to spell him and allow him to play a bit off the ball.
As for the offensive strategy - Teams who make deep runs in March need to be able to score in a variety of ways when their plan A is not working. I've seen it time and time again this year that there is no plan B when the three ball isn't falling. Nevada's offense works great when you have the best point guard in the country, the best passing big in the country and a bunch of guys who can camp on the perimeter, knock down open shots or reverse the ball to get to the bucket. This year, we don't have that and we're constantly fighting to score at the rim, unless your name is mr. magic Kam Jones. My concern with the current offensive philosophy is without top tier players, it is never going to be very effective. It's easy to defend when no one is hitting outside shots and you have a bunch of players who aren't great scoring at the rim.
Just my two cents - Glad to see everyone is still pluggin along here.
Bump - all very relevant following that dud to close out a terrible finish to the season.
needs to change the roster - could not win with an all-american, 2 additional seniors, and 2 juniors.
What makes you think he can win next year with 2 average seniors, an unheralded sophomore class turning to juniors, and an underachieving freshman class turning to sophomores.
but hey - our freshman class may turn into day 1 starters - right?
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 21, 2025, 09:16:00 PMneeds to change the roster - could not win with an all-american, 2 additional seniors, and 2 juniors.
What makes you think he can win next year with 2 average seniors, an unheralded sophomore class turning to juniors, and an underachieving freshman class turning to sophomores.
but hey - our freshman class may turn into day 1 starters - right?
Wait...there is always next year. The future is bright and upward.
What is Shaka's top priority as the men's basketball coach at Marquette?
Is Shaka's top priority: culture or winning?
If Shaka's top priority is winning, it'll be an interesting next month, as the program's talent and experience level needs to be significantly upgraded for next year's team.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 07, 2025, 09:44:07 PMSTJ will get bounced early from the tourney.
Who possibly could have predicted STJ getting bounced early from the tourney?
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 09, 2025, 01:29:49 PMDepending on matchup, they could certainly go down early. Teams that don't shoot well are always vulnerable. Pitino has been upset before early on in the tournament. They're a good, far from great team. We'll see.
Bump. Juan Anderson Mixtape and Point Warrior were bolder than I was. Nevertheless
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 22, 2025, 04:21:36 PMWho possibly could have predicted STJ getting bounced early from the tourney?
Yep said the same weeks ago. We so smart.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 07, 2025, 08:31:19 PMIt does when you only have 2 bigs, both of which should not be playing as many minutes as they're playing.
You want experienced bigs on the roster. You're not gonna believe what some say is the best way for the ones on this roster to get experience...
Quote from: MDMU04 on March 22, 2025, 04:52:45 PMYou want experienced bigs on the roster. You're not gonna believe what some say is the best way for the ones on this roster to get experience...
All of the big men on this roster, except for parham, have a very low ceiling coupled with minimal talent right now. Playing them is sacrificing a quality roster on the very small chance they may improve outside of what common sense and talent evaluations say.
But sure - play Caedin Hamilton who barely knows where he is on the floor in hopes he may average 7 pts and 6 boards his senior year.
Quote from: panda2.0 on March 22, 2025, 08:42:52 PMAll of the big men on this roster, except for parham, have a very low ceiling coupled with minimal talent right now. Playing them is sacrificing a quality roster on the very small chance they may improve outside of what common sense and talent evaluations say.
But sure - play Caedin Hamilton who barely knows where he is on the floor in hopes he may average 7 pts and 6 boards his senior year.
You're so right! Bigs are just bodies right now, Hamilton was a major disappointment! Amadou was very skinny with minimal talent shown so far, I have hope with Clark just because he is so tall and long. Add Norman and your using 4 scholarships up that you could add maybe a player or two that can maybe play, MU can pay
Quote from: Newsdreams on March 07, 2025, 11:54:15 AMI go yes, because we have a Smart coaching staff.
I love this guy. 95% irreverent nonsense but now Gets serious. Right on bro! yuh anti weed freak