You're not beating decent teams if you can't make a three. That's the bottom line. Beyond frustrating.
And it was one freakin guy who hit those 3.. just amazing.
I thought this thread was about egg prices
exactly, this is why we cant have nice things...
Quote from: Johnny B on March 05, 2025, 10:09:49 PMAnd it was one freakin guy who hit those 3.. just amazing.
It truly is. Boy am I upset right now.
Agree hard to beat great teams on the road when you are 3/22 from 3. True besides Jop the team was 0/16. Do not believe Kam has ever gone 0/5 from 3 and has the last 2 games 0/10. UCONN was 7/20. Switch those around and Marquette Wins by 18 points. Very Disappointing. We will bounce back at home against Saint John's.
I just slashed 3 of my neighbors tires in honor of 3/22
How much of this is on Shaka. Does he know how to use ChatGPT?
"I coach a high-level, major, college basketball team. Some of my players have been shooting well below their career 3pt% for quite a few games. What are some strategies I might try to employ to help get them back to their best performance?
ChatGPT said:
As a high-level college basketball coach, you know that shooting slumps can be as much mental as they are mechanical. Here are some key strategies to help your players regain their shooting confidence and efficiency:
1. Optimize Shot Selection & Rhythm
Review Film: Analyze if they're taking more contested or off-balance shots compared to past seasons. Are they rushing their release? Are they getting fewer catch-and-shoot opportunities?
Emphasize Catch-and-Shoot Opportunities: Get them in situations where they're stepping into shots in rhythm off clean passes.
Use More Actions to Free Them Up: Implement more off-ball screens, flare screens, or dribble-handoff actions to generate easier looks.
Adjust Shot Distribution: If they're forcing deep or tough threes, encourage them to attack the rim or take mid-range shots to build confidence before stretching back out.
2. Reinforce Shooting Fundamentals
Check Mechanics: Sometimes, minor mechanical issues creep in over time. Work with your shooting coach to ensure their balance, follow-through, and release point are consistent.
Short-Range Shooting Drills: Have them start practice with makes from short distances (e.g., "form shooting" from 5–10 feet) before moving to threes.
Reps, Reps, Reps: Rebuild muscle memory with high-rep shooting drills, emphasizing game-speed conditions (e.g., 100 makes a day at game pace).
3. Focus on Confidence & Mental Resilience
Encourage a "Shooter's Mindset": Great shooters believe the next shot is going in. Emphasize that slumps are temporary and to trust their work.
Remind Them of Past Success: Show clips of their best shooting games to reinforce their ability.
Free Them from Pressure: If they seem tense, remind them to focus on good shot selection rather than make/miss results.
4. Game Adjustments & Usage Tweaks
Get Them Easy Buckets First: If a shooter is struggling, getting an early layup or free throw can build confidence before taking deep threes.
Let Others Create for Them: If they're struggling off the dribble, design plays where teammates penetrate and kick to them for open looks.
Reduce Fatigue: Late-game legs impact shooting. Manage minutes or use rotation adjustments to keep them fresh.
5. Data-Driven Tweaks
Analyze Shot Charts: Look at their shooting zones—are they struggling from one particular spot? Adjust play design accordingly.
Compare Past Seasons: Identify if anything has changed in their shot mechanics, workload, or role.
Would you like drills or specific sets designed to get shooters clean looks?
You said:
Yes
ChatGPT said:
Here are some effective drills and sets designed to get your shooters high-quality looks and rebuild their confidence:
Drills for Improving 3-Point Shooting
1. "3-2-1 Shooting Drill" (Game-Speed, Pressure)
Shooter starts at the wing or corner.
3 shots: Catch-and-shoot.
2 shots: Off the dribble (one-dribble pull-up into three).
1 shot: Sprint into a shot off a screen (e.g., flare or pin-down).
Repeat for different spots. Make 5–7 in a row before moving.
Why? Builds rhythm shooting and replicates different in-game situations.
2. "Around the Horn: 7-Spot Shooting" (Repetition & Consistency)
Players shoot 5 shots per spot: Corner, wing, top, wing, corner, extended wings.
Goal: Hit 30/50 (or adjusted target) in a set.
Add pressure: If they miss a shot, they must hit 3 in a row before advancing.
Why? Simulates catch-and-shoot repetition under pressure.
3. "Pin-Down & Drift Shooting" (Coming Off Screens)
Place a screener at the elbow or low block.
Shooter starts at baseline, then sprints up off the screen.
Read options:
Tight curl if defender trails.
Flare to wing if defender goes under.
Straight cut for a clean three.
Passer delivers in rhythm.
Why? Mimics movement off screens, improves footwork and quick release.
4. "Beat the Closeout" (Live Defender)
Shooter starts at the 3-point line.
Defender closes out late (either aggressively or soft).
Shooter must read the closeout:
If late: Catch-and-shoot three.
If too aggressive: One-dribble pull-up.
If defender recovers: Escape dribble & relocate for another shot.
Why? Forces decision-making and improves reaction time.
Game Sets for Generating Open 3s
1. "Floppy Action" (Classic Shooter Set)
Shooter starts under the rim, between two screeners.
Reads defense:
Uses double screen to pop out for three.
If overplayed, cuts backdoor for a layup.
Best For: Sharp shooters who move well without the ball.
2. "Horns Flare" (Great for Stretch Shooters)
Set: Both bigs at elbows in a Horns formation.
Guard enters ball to a big, then sets a flare screen for the shooter.
Shooter drifts to opposite wing for a three.
Best For: If defenses overplay pin-downs, this action gets shooters open looks.
3. "Spain Pick & Roll" (Advanced NBA Action)
Standard high pick-and-roll, but with a shooter setting a backscreen for the roller.
After screening, shooter flares out for an open three.
Best For: Spacing out bigs and getting shooters open after screens.
4. "Elevator Screen" (Great for Quick Releases)
Shooter starts at free-throw line.
Two screeners at the elbows close the gap after shooter runs through.
Shooter pops out at the top of the key for an open three.
Best For: Getting clean looks with quick execution.
Would you like video links or diagrams for any of these? Let me know if you want adjustments based on your team's personnel!
The bottom line is that you mast make 3s to win period.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 05, 2025, 10:07:47 PMYou're not beating decent teams if you can't make a three. That's the bottom line. Beyond frustrating.
Agreed. And yet this awful team was within 1 point with 1 minute left in an incredibly difficult arena vs. a very talented team led by a great coach.
I get the frustration. I am as well. But we were still in this game to the end. A month ago we would have lost this game by 20. I am looking forward to saturday and see if we can see an improvement in our play that we have seen over the past couple of weeks.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 05, 2025, 10:07:47 PMYou're not beating decent teams if you can't make a three. That's the bottom line. Beyond frustrating.
...and yet the game was winnable! But you are correct. MU's lack of shooting and no inside game to speak of...In hindsight early season success is all the more amazing. Wins over Purdue, Maryland, Wisconsin and Creighton are definitely earning interest. Win Saturday and get one next week, and maybe a 6 seed can be had. Lose both and play the dreaded 8/9 game for a chance to play who...Auburn? Our guy Kon & Duke?
The team has layed some bricks this year from 3 and not shown much improvement. Kams shot looks flat and his follow through looks like he's tossing fish in Seattle. We also had a rough time on the boards. Place most of the blame on shaka for roster construction. I continue to say we need a shooter and a big from the portal next year.
All that aside, team played with toughness, applied great ball pressure. Thought gold and jop had very good games. Optimistic for Johnnie's.
Quote from: Viper on March 06, 2025, 06:48:29 AM...and yet the game was winnable! But you are correct. MU's lack of shooting and no inside game to speak of...In hindsight early season success is all the more amazing. Wins over Purdue, Maryland, Wisconsin and Creighton are definitely earning interest. Win Saturday and get one next week, and maybe a 6 seed can be had. Lose both and play the dreaded 8/9 game for a chance to play who...Auburn? Our guy Kon & Duke?
Not only was it winnable, I really believe they should have won it. Marquette wasn't missing closely guarded threes either. Stevie, Chase and Kam all had opportunities that were pretty wide open.
No attempts from Ben and only one from Zaide should not happen.
How many 3's were forced? How many were open and in the flow of the offense?
Quote from: tower912 on March 06, 2025, 08:01:18 AMHow many were open and in the flow of the offense?
Many. And that's becoming part of the problem frankly. If you can't hit them when they are wide open, I don't know what you can do.
During UConn's game changing run, MU was going downhill, getting to the rack, not making the lay ups and not getting the calls. MU made the adjustment. It did not pay off.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 06, 2025, 08:01:51 AMMany. And that's becoming part of the problem frankly. If you can't hit them when they are wide open, I don't know what you can do.
Yep. This team has been an enigma from 3 all year. What you see is what you get. It cost them last year versus NC State and probably will be the downfall this post season.
Quote from: PointWarrior on March 05, 2025, 10:13:08 PMexactly, this is why we cant have nice things...
Eggzactly
Quote from: The Sultan on March 06, 2025, 08:01:51 AMMany. And that's becoming part of the problem frankly. If you can't hit them when they are wide open, I don't know what you can do.
That's why it's so frustrating. Everyone screams that they should take it to the hoop when the threes aren't falling, but teams will pack it in and MU isn't big/strong enough to finish through contact. The result is that wild acrobatic crap that Chase likes to throw up there in traffic.
Given the choice, I'd keep shooting the open ones and hoping a few drop. But it sucks to watch.
Is shooting a skill that can be developed over time OR is it just one of the capabilities you have to recruit for?
I've heard Shaka talk about rebounding as something you have to recruit for on the Thursday radio show......IF shooting is something you develop then this is definitely one item that Marquette sucks at developing ;)
Love this squad's effort but they are clearly the "Can't Shoot Straight Gang" :'(
I think shooting can be developed - to a point. Developing a better form and release point is possible. But developing the touch and feel for shooting is likely something that you either have or you don't.
Kolek and Vander are a couple of guys who come to mind as having developed stronger and more consistent shooting during their time at MU.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 06, 2025, 10:03:10 AMBut developing the touch and feel for shooting is likely something that you either have or you don't.
I'd add the footwork to that as well. Watch really good shooters off the ball and their base when they catch. Puppies are always organized, as Raf would say.
I think this leads to a lot of Jop's inconsistency. A lot of times he'll catch, feet will be pointed sideways, and are too close together.
You can develop a shot and become more consistent. It just boggles my mind that our two highest volume 3 point shooters are a combined 111/365 and 30% for the season. I did not see that regression coming.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 06, 2025, 07:52:37 AMNot only was it winnable, I really believe they should have won it. Marquette wasn't missing closely guarded threes either. Stevie, Chase and Kam all had opportunities that were pretty wide open.
yup. Gotta hit those J's or make a hard drive to the rim
264th in the country from 3 point percentage.
Here's the thing: St.J and Mich St can't really shoot but they are excellent rebounding teams and get multiple opportunities. We have a very small margin for error if we shoot that poorly.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 06, 2025, 11:44:27 AMHere's the thing: St.J and Mich St can't really shoot but they are excellent rebounding teams and get multiple opportunities. We have a very small margin for error if we shoot that poorly.
The team that shoots 30% from 3 will win. The team that shoots 20% from 3 will lose.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 06, 2025, 11:50:05 AMThe team that shoots 30% from 3 will win. The team that shoots 20% from 3 will lose.
Last night yes, but we shot great from 2 which hasn't always been the case this season. I think scoring inside on St.J will be much more difficult.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 06, 2025, 11:52:00 AMLast night yes, but we shot great from 2 which hasn't always been the case this season. I think scoring inside on St.J will be much more difficult.
Yes, scoring on SJU inside will be a massive challenge. I expect to see SJU leave Stevie wide open on the perimeter like CU did. Which will put a highlight on our 3 point shooting.
Quote from: MUbiz on March 06, 2025, 10:19:15 AMYou can develop a shot and become more consistent. It just boggles my mind that our two highest volume 3 point shooters are a combined 111/365 and 30% for the season. I did not see that regression coming.
It's a lot more than just that. Kam's struggles with his J changes everything about our h-c offense and how we are guarded. If he was shooting anywhere near his past percentages this is a MU team very capable of making a deep run. Even with some of our flaws. But his inability to find his J filters to every member of our team and makes us way easier to check.
Quote from: MuggsyB on March 06, 2025, 11:44:27 AMHere's the thing: St.J and Mich St can't really shoot but they are excellent rebounding teams and get multiple opportunities. We have a very small margin for error if we shoot that poorly.
You're missing key info here. Yes, all three teams have a weak 3fg%... but only one of them attempts a lot.
3FGA/fga=
#muMbb 46.3%, #40 nationally
StJ 30.8%, #342
Mich St 32.2%, #334
Quote from: Jay Bee on March 06, 2025, 12:08:09 PMYou're missing key info here. Yes, all three teams have a weak 3fg%... but only one of them attempts a lot.
3FGA/fga=
#muMbb 46.3%, #40 nationally
StJ 30.8%, #342
Mich St 32.2%, #334
Fair point.
Quote from: Captain Quette on March 06, 2025, 07:02:03 AMThe team has layed some bricks this year from 3 and not shown much improvement. Kams shot looks flat and his follow through looks like he's tossing fish in Seattle. We also had a rough time on the boards. Place most of the blame on shaka for roster construction. I continue to say we need a shooter and a big from the portal next year.
All that aside, team played with toughness, applied great ball pressure. Thought gold and jop had very good games. Optimistic for Johnnie's.
Agree with this. Roster construction should have been and should be of the highest priority. Bangers and 3 point shooters are needed desperately.
Quote from: 79Warrior on March 06, 2025, 08:18:30 AMYep. This team has been an enigma from 3 all year. What you see is what you get. It cost them last year versus NC State and probably will be the downfall this post season.
Already has been the downfall.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 06, 2025, 12:40:30 PMAgree with this. Roster construction should have been and should be of the highest priority. Bangers and 3 point shooters are needed desperately.
What does pork sausage have to do with this
Felt Marquette did what they needed to Win outside of 3/22. Again flip those 3 point numbers around with UCONNS 7/20 and Marquette wins by 18 Points. We shot better than this when we beat Maryland Purdue Wisconsin Georgia Creighton and Xavier. Got to get some shots up and get that muscle memory back for the Johnnies.
Quote from: willie warrior on March 06, 2025, 12:40:30 PMAgree with this. Roster construction should have been and should be of the highest priority. Bangers and 3 point shooters are needed desperately.
Rumors of bangers and shooters keep the dentists away from urban areas
Bangers and shooters sounds like a St. Patrick's day thing.
Quote from: tower912 on March 06, 2025, 03:13:59 PMBangers and shooters sounds like a St. Patrick's day thing.
Or a wild night in Vegas.
I believe this team should be a 35% 3 point shooting team. That would put them at 124th in the nation.
Assuming there are 5 games left and the 3 point rate continues at 29/game, and they are currently 230/864. They will go 123/145 for the next 5 games, they'll finish 353/1009 for 35%. Numbers don't lie! They will advance to the mean.
Quote from: Captain Quette on March 06, 2025, 07:02:03 AMThe team has layed some bricks this year from 3 and not shown much improvement. Kams shot looks flat and his follow through looks like he's tossing fish in Seattle. We also had a rough time on the boards. Place most of the blame on shaka for roster construction. I continue to say we need a shooter and a big from the portal next year.
All that aside, team played with toughness, applied great ball pressure. Thought gold and jop had very good games. Optimistic for Johnnie's.
Maybe 82 can help.
Quote from: Warrior of Law on March 06, 2025, 11:28:22 AM264th in the country from 3 point percentage.
So there are over 100 worse 3pt shooting teams than MU. So we've got that going for us, which is nice
Quote from: Warrior of Law on March 06, 2025, 11:28:22 AM264th in the country from 3 point percentage.
The Fighting Wardles lead the way nationally. The only team hitting 40%
At least it wasn't 3 for 23 or more.