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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2025, 01:59:45 PM

Title: Call me crazy but......
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2025, 01:59:45 PM
I think Caedin will be a solid player for us as soon as next season. As others have stated, things just need to slow down for him.  Now, he may not be able to stretch the floor, but he gives us a physical presence.  I think a number of Scoopers have been way too harsh with him.  Yes, he's not there yet.  He's struggled kicking the ball away and finding his footing in general.  But give him a full year and I'm confident we'll see a much better player.  MU needs more power inside and physicality.  I'm not saying he'll be Moses Malone but he has the potential to be an important piece moving forward. 
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on February 26, 2025, 02:13:17 PM
Wow, is this thread title ever a fat pitch...
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: BrewCity83 on February 26, 2025, 02:17:23 PM
Agreed.

Some here are begging for an "Aircraft Carrier", but when we get one, they complain he's too slow, can't jump, and can't shoot from outside.  Think about what you are asking for. 

Caedin is a big dude who takes up space near the basket, matches up with beefy opponents, and pulls down rebounds.  He's a freshman--we all know bigs generally take more time to develop.  Give him a chance.  I too believe he'll be a major contributor in his junior and senior seasons, if not next year. 

Who was our original Aircraft Carrier--Jerome Whitehead?  Can Hamilton develop into today's version of that?
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: wombataholic on February 26, 2025, 02:18:57 PM
Not totally crazy.  I think it'll be 2 years before he's making significant contributions though.  He's got really good vision on offense and is capable of finding cutters and open shooters.  Ball handling and general situational awareness could be better.  Caedin with the ball with under 8 seconds in the shot clock turns a bit too much into hero ball mode at the moment, but that might just be him panicking.  He's gotten better with defensive positioning in the last couple of games too.

In my head, he's a less-nasty version of DeJuan Blair with 2 ACLs.
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: wadesworld on February 26, 2025, 02:20:30 PM
People expected him to be a big contributor this year, too.  I don't expect much next year, but I hope if he sticks around he'll be a contributor as an upper classman.
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: brewcity77 on February 26, 2025, 02:22:15 PM
Okay. You're "Crazy Butt."

My kids would love your preferred nickname.
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: BCHoopster on February 26, 2025, 02:54:45 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on February 26, 2025, 02:20:30 PMPeople expected him to be a big contributor this year, too.  I don't expect much next year, but I hope if he sticks around he'll be a contributor as an upper classman.

For next year, it might comedown to who is better Clark or Hamilton. Not sure if Hamilton can score, looks very raw underneath and free throw shooting is not impressive.  Both will get there chance, just see more athleticism in Clark
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: tower912 on February 26, 2025, 03:01:58 PM
Caedin will be fine.  Another offseason of work.   Still not a finished product, but able to contribute more.

Still crazy,though.



Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: CTWarrior on February 26, 2025, 03:13:48 PM
Big thing right now is that he cannot score around the rim if there is someone between him and the basket.  If he can development some post moves he will be at worst a valuable change of pace guy.  He's pretty athletic for a guy his size.  He's got potential.
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: MuggsyB on February 26, 2025, 03:38:08 PM
He's not a finese player right now and he plays too fast.  It wasn't part of my game but there's nothing wrong with slowing down and playing with emphatic force and power.  It starts with owning the defensive glass, setting crushing screens, rolling to the rim, and finishing strong. 
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: BCHoopster on February 26, 2025, 04:15:27 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 26, 2025, 03:38:08 PMHe's not a finese player right now and he plays too fast.  It wasn't part of my game but there's nothing wrong with slowing down and playing with emphatic force and power.  It starts with owning the defensive glass, setting crushing screens, rolling to the rim, and finishing strong. 

I see another year for a big improvement.
Still very raw
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: We R Final Four on February 26, 2025, 05:38:19 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 26, 2025, 02:54:45 PMFor next year, it might comedown to who is better Clark or Hamilton. Not sure if Hamilton can score, looks very raw underneath and free throw shooting is not impressive.  Both will get there chance, just see more athleticism in Clark
Where did you see this athleticism?
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: BCHoopster on February 26, 2025, 05:45:31 PM
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 26, 2025, 05:38:19 PMWhere did you see this athleticism?

Scrimmage
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: We R Final Four on February 26, 2025, 06:09:28 PM
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 26, 2025, 05:45:31 PMScrimmage
You mean the 7' who dunked alley oops in October?
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: BCHoopster on February 26, 2025, 06:15:49 PM
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 26, 2025, 06:09:28 PMYou mean the 7' who dunked alley oops in October?

Yes
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: MarquetteDano on February 27, 2025, 08:36:44 AM
He should improve but does not have great hands. If he had Gardner type hands I would be very optimistic

Hope you are right but hands are so key... limits rebounds and passes for easy dunks.
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: BCHoopster on February 27, 2025, 10:30:13 AM
Quote from: MarquetteDano on February 27, 2025, 08:36:44 AMHe should improve but does not have great hands. If he had Gardner type hands I would be very optimistic

Hope you are right but hands are so key... limits rebounds and passes for easy dunks.

I do not expect much from either Hamilton or Clark, but hope I am wrong!
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: tower912 on February 27, 2025, 10:34:15 AM
Schtick.
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: jfp61 on February 27, 2025, 10:35:33 AM
Yea, this is crazy. I don't expect much from him, so I don't talk about him.

It is a rough watch so far.
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: tower912 on February 27, 2025, 10:39:19 AM
I expect him to progress.   Not every recruit ends up in the league.  But there is no shame in a project big ending up like Burke, Barro, John, Grimm, as long as you are not planning to build a team around them.  Just like there is no shame being Derrick Wilson, until circumstances dictate a much larger role than originally intended.
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: BCHoopster on February 27, 2025, 10:45:17 AM
Quote from: tower912 on February 27, 2025, 10:39:19 AMI expect him to progress.   Not every recruit ends up in the league.  But there is no shame in a project big ending up like Burke, Barro, John, Grimm, as long as you are not planning to build a team around them.  Just like there is no shame being Derrick Wilson, until circumstances dictate a much larger role than originally intended.

Agreed
Title: Re: Call me crazy but......
Post by: MU82 on February 27, 2025, 11:36:37 AM
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 27, 2025, 10:30:13 AMI do not expect much from either Hamilton or Clark any Marquette player or coach, or the team itself, but hope I am wrong but actually would prefer that I get to say "I told you so"!

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