Captain Quette thinks the ceiling for next season is 5th place, barring an impact transfer. Surprising no one, I am more optimistic than that. If no one transfers out, I see length, depth, athleticism. Yes, players in new roles, but that is the nature of college sports. And it happens even if there are transfers in from the portal. Also, lots of good players from other teams are finally leaving, too.
Strong Nov & Dec. Then showing cracks in Jan. Feb fade in full effect with a quick tourney exit after getting a non-protected seed. #TheMUBBway #COLE
Tons of question marks but we can be good. Hoping one of the frosh can make a decent impact (eg, 35-40% minutes of high quality ball)
Will be interesting to see the alpha usage guys. Royce & DO I think will be up there, but someone's gotta ramp up. Can Chase, Ben or Zaide do it well?
#pray
Good news is our 3fg% comps will look easy to match/best
Think the defense should be good next year but the offense will sputter at points where it'll be rough for a stretch. Probs 30-40 KP team barring unforeseen leaps in underclassmen.
And that is where I am optimistic. I don't consider the leaps by the freshmen and sophomores as unforeseen. I think we are seeing the signs of them right now and I expect them to continue.
We're likely to finish as a middle of the pack Big East team this year. Splitting with Xavier and Creighton and we'll see if we get swept by St. John's and UConn (more likely than not). So far we've avoided the complete disaster of losing to one of the back half teams, but could still happen.
Read this morning that Richmond is very beat up so maybe he'll miss a few games now that the conference race is all but over, would give us a better chance to beat them. I don't think predicting 4th to 5th for next year is unreasonable.
Sorry, posted twice
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on February 24, 2025, 08:03:36 AMWill be a reset for the program. There is definitely potential to be good with length and athleticism. Scoring the ball will be interesting. Can Royce make a Justin Lewis like jump? Can Owens be a way more athletic version of Joplin without the consistently silly mistakes? Will a true point guard help immensely? I think Zaide and Ross will be co alphas. Can Ben stay healthy? Will a seven foot athletic rim protector benefit the defense? Can a couple of freshman shoot threes at a high clip? There is great potential on next years roster but questions all over the place. I think they are a tournament team. Even if they are a bubble team it will be a success with the possibility of a big East championship in two years not next year. It could be year one of Shaka all over again and that ain't bad if it looks like they are building something special.
Quote from: tower912 on February 24, 2025, 07:24:51 AMCaptain Quette thinks the ceiling for next season is 5th place, barring an impact transfer. Surprising no one, I am more optimistic than that. If no one transfers out, I see length, depth, athleticism. Yes, players in new roles, but that is the nature of college sports. And it happens even if there are transfers in from the portal. Also, lots of good players from other teams are finally leaving, too.
On pace for 5th place this year. Could next year be slightly better - maybe.
Quote from: tower912 on February 24, 2025, 07:24:51 AMCaptain Quette thinks the ceiling for next season is 5th place, barring an impact transfer. Surprising no one, I am more optimistic than that. If no one transfers out, I see length, depth, athleticism. Yes, players in new roles, but that is the nature of college sports. And it happens even if there are transfers in from the portal. Also, lots of good players from other teams are finally leaving, too.
I love the optimism, it's refreshing around here.
You've mentioned a few times that you think the team could get better next year, and I like that you think it's even a possibility.
I've stayed quiet on it because
A) still have, a now more muffled, confidence on a S16 and beyond run this year. The awesome defense we saw earlier and the regression to the mean on the shooting haven't come back yet though
B) I just don't see it.
Since we've got a thread on it now, I'll chime in.
After the last offseason we lost our maestro PG and all BE 5 to the NBA and I said that if Shaka makes this year work without those two then he should never be questioned again.
Then the team started unbelievable well and I was floored, but they've hit the skids.
So, it seems pretty fair to say at this point that this years team isn't as good as last years was.
Can I change my opinion on that if Marquette wins a Natty? Sure. The data shows that the team has taken a step back though.
Doesn't mean Shaka still can't make magic happen for the season on the whole, story still being written.
Now, on to next year. Marquette will be losing Kam Jones, an all American and in the running BE POY that gets you 20&5.
They will also be losing one of the best perimeter defenders in program history, and Joplin who despite all his struggles is still 2nd leading scorer and rebounder...
Can guys step up? Sure, and they will. That's a ton to replace however, yet again. Marquette has no legit answer at the point, and 5 spot is also a question. The ailments of this season seem like they are more than likely to be back next season barring some changes, either from within or out.
This doesn't mean that there aren't options, they are plenty of options and many of these guys will improve. It just means that Marquette is losing a lot and it'll be VERY hard to replace from within and reach the same heights.
I'm very bullish on several of the returning guys, but I'm also not as bullish on some of the back end of the rotation project type players.
From the early stages of things it seems to me like there is a path for Marquette to be metrically better next year, I just wouldn't count on it. IMO that path is becoming an elite, top 10/15 KenPom team with all that length and athletic ability, but they will have to rebound.
We will see. An amazing run to finish this season would likely help a lot for next season as well
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 24, 2025, 08:13:41 AMOn pace for 5th place this year. Could next year be slightly better - maybe.
If by 5th you mean 3rd
Quote from: DoctorV on February 24, 2025, 09:05:49 AMNow, on to next year. Marquette will be losing Kam Jones, an all American and in the running BE POY that gets you 20&5.
They will also be losing one of the best perimeter defenders in program history, and Joplin who despite all his struggles is still 2nd leading scorer and rebounder...
Now do the other teams in the BE.
The ceiling next year is winning the Big East. Now, I wouldnt put money on it, but thats the ceiling for sure. Zaide, Owens and even Chase all keep showing flashes of getting better, and if it clicks for them we could be very good.
Another thing to remember regarding all the teams relying on the portal, it was much easier to build an old, talented team this year through the portal because theres 2 full senior classes on college ball this year. That finally ends next year. Theres gonna be a lot less talent in the portal this spring so the teams relying fully on it will have to take more risks on younger transfers than they did this year. That will come with question marks, many even larger than the questions we have with our younger dudes.
Really excited for next year. I think the program will feel it's really turned over with a lot of new faces in the mix. The offseason is a time for optimism and hope, so I'll say the ceiling is high.
Since our program is built on player retention, I hope that continues. I think some of our young guys have shown enough flashes that there will be a few vultures snooping around in the offseason. Hopefully we can fend them off.
I'm not worried about next year at all. As we get longer and more athletic I think the floor of our teams rises.
The ceiling is what is TBD. I trust what's been and being built.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 24, 2025, 09:15:45 AMNow do the other teams in the BE.
Xavier has 8 grad students and 2 seniors.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 24, 2025, 09:15:45 AMNow do the other teams in the BE.
Yep. Lots of thoughts in a vacuum here.
Not to mention that all the players we'll be losing are (according to the general Scoop vibe) either bad, injured, slumping or all of the above.
Kam is beat up, can't hit 3s, and is showing he's not really a PG ... Stevie is beat up and is an offensive liability ... Jop has taken his Joppiness to even lower Joppian lows.
Doomed if we do, doomed if we don't!
The portal pool may or may not get smaller. Remember, the NCAA is seriously talking about five years of playing eligibility. If they initiate that next season. the pool of portal players essentially remains the same.
I share tower's sentiment. I am bullish on next season on the athleticism of the roster. It's easy to see what the "role" shaka wants people to step in (e.g., Zaide is on the Chase Ross program). Next years team is a lot more athletic than the current roster and can play with a speed and intensity that is lacking at the moment (compared to a lot of finesse with current starters). Tyler's drives into contact were a big x factor last year and the only ones who kind have that "it factor" for drives are some of our Juniors and Sophs. For next year, Chase and Zaide have shown a lot in terms of exploding/slashing to the hoop and their outside game. Tre is showing flashes with his drives as well (I think he will spend a lot of time on the line next year...and he's started to hit FT recently). I still believe Tre runs point with SJ next year and think his 3 pt shooting will improve (35% ish). Shaka loves a 2 ball handler on the court system and outside of our bigs, most of the roster has been in that role.
Sub in DO for Jop and you replace a below the rim guy with a so-so first step with an above the rim guy that can shoot from deep. Needs defense to come around though for minutes. Then you have Parham and Gold at the wing spots. For Ben we just need health. Parham has a decent handle and needs to take that next step with running off the line and taking it to the hoop.
Stevens is gonna be the Chase/Zaide mold with the ability to step into pg role in a pinch. Militec is gonna play the frosh Joplin role of spot 3 shooting. James could work his way into PG for longer spells to get SJ some rest (although not sure how he and SJ can be on the court at same time...feels a rowsey/markus issue). Phillips is a project, but also is that "more athletic Jop" role and might surprise us.
Not sure what we get out of Josh and Al. But Josh has shown a really high motor in the limited highlights I've seen. Could be in that Samson Johnson defensive stopper role next year (assuming he gets some lbs on that frame).
I do trust the system, despite my negativity over the past few days. Future's bright.
Next year will be telling because Shaka will finally have to stop riding Wojo's coattails!
All kidding aside, I see a rebuilding year. Missing the tournament wouldn't surprise me, but neither would making the tournament. I view next year a lot like Shaka's 1st year with lots of unknowns.
Here's my look at the roster:
PG Sean Jones...sure he's been injured but I think a 21 year old, 4th year player has the edge over our 18 year old freshman.
SG Chase Ross...a proven BE starter. Can he make the leap to star?
SG/SF Zaide Lowery...trending towards a starter. Possible breakout star if he continues on his rapid growth curve.
PF Royce Parham...like Zaide, he's trending towards a starting position and has breakout star potential. I think he's the backup C when we play a switchable at the 4.
C Ben Gold...not a C in the traditional sense, but despite his recent struggles we've seen stretches of really strong play. Probably never takes the star leap, but he's light-years ahead of guys like Chris Grimm, Dwight Burke, and Matt Heldt.
Bench
Nigel James...backup PG. Future starter. Does he ever beat out Sean Jones or merely bide his time for 2 years? That remains to be seen.
Tre Norman...Solid defender, but Derrick Wilson level shooter. Not sure what his future holds.
Damarius Owens... likely 6th man, possible surprise starter. Switchable 2/3/4. Get stronger, keep improving his skills, conquer the mental aspect of the game, and the sky is the limit.
Caedin Hamilton/Al Amadou/Josh Clark...a pupu platter of project post players. All have some tools, but who produces remains unclear.
Adrien Stevens...an athletic defender, but jumper is a work in progress. Will his freshman year most resemble that of Tre, Zaide, Stevie, or Chase?
Michael Phillips...a 6-7 shooter with length and athleticism. Needs to add strength. Star potential, but how quickly can he get there?
Ian Miletic... haven't seen a ton of video, but he's a good athlete. Reputation of being a solid all around player and plus shooter. Gives me Alex Karraban (good version) vibes.
As you can see, next year's team has more questions than answers. Maybe they surprise, but I think Marquette's next peak is 2-3 years away.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 24, 2025, 08:13:41 AMOn pace for 5th place this year. Could next year be slightly better - maybe.
We're in 3rd place so we're on pace for 3rd place.
I think on balance that next years team while vastly different will amount to about the same as this year, 20+ wins, 4th in conference and a 4 or 5 seed in the dance. Jones, Ross, Lowery at guard Gold and Parham at the forward spots. The question I have is will shaka allow the other bigs to be who they are? If Shaka allows Hamilton to bang in the post like he is built for instead of trying to make him Oso I think Hamilton can be of great service. I saw Cane in the open practice and if Shaka will allow him to do what is natural to him , block shots and dunk, he also could be of great service. What is difficult to appreciate because it has been a long time, is how big next years team will be. size matters and I think next year looks pretty stable.
The offense for Clark that MU runs right now is not an offense for a person his size, in the scrimmage they had him on the block low, made some impressive dunks. They will have to make a few changes when he is in to make him effective. See what happens
We know Shaka will change the offense based on the strength of his bigs, Im not worried about that. Just look at how Kur was used year 1, a pure roll man and rim runner, never put in a position to handle the ball. That is my view of Josh Clark, even if he's a couple years away yet.
And we've seen Caiden post up this year when he's in, he just needs to slow down and not panic when he does get the ball on the block, but that will come naturally as he gets older.
Clark's role would be similar to what we saw with Kur Kuath
Quote from: JTJ3 on February 24, 2025, 11:57:18 AMWe know Shaka will change the offense based on the strength of his bigs, Im not worried about that. Just look at how Kur was used year 1, a pure roll man and rim runner, never put in a position to handle the ball. That is my view of Josh Clark, even if he's a couple years away yet.
And we've seen Caiden post up this year when he's in, he just needs to slow down and not panic when he does get the ball on the block, but that will come naturally as he gets older.
Those who think Shaka/Nevada don't have different offensive looks depending on personnel in the game simply haven't been watching. Gold is more comfortable on the perimeter, Hamilton is better on the block, Oso was great around the top of the key/FT line, Kur was the classic screen-setter/rim-runner. And that's where those bigs play/played the majority of the time they are/were in games.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 24, 2025, 09:13:29 AMIf by 5th you mean 3rd
If he keeps saying it, it makes it more correct. At least that's how he seems to think it works.
Quote from: Jay Bee on February 24, 2025, 07:43:13 AMStrong Nov & Dec. Then showing cracks in Jan. Feb fade in full effect with a quick tourney exit after getting a non-protected seed. #TheMUBBway #COLE
Tons of question marks but we can be good. Hoping one of the frosh can make a decent impact (eg, 35-40% minutes of high quality ball)
Will be interesting to see the alpha usage guys. Royce & DO I think will be up there, but someone's gotta ramp up. Can Chase, Ben or Zaide do it well?
#pray
Good news is our 3fg% comps will look easy to match/best
Chase and Zaide look like best bets to step up. Dont think Ben has it in him. It is up to him to prove it.
Hopefully DO and Parham take big jumps and 2 of the frosh demonstrate the ability to drain consistently from 3.
Speculate Militec will be a good 3 point guy next year. However we lack any bangers underneath and need that in BEast. Fifth place ceiling is about right for next year, unless some guys really over perform from expectations.
People are saying that we might not field a team at all next season.
I think 5th place is the basement. I expect more that that. I was afraid of the Will Gates syndrome with Jones but sitting out the whole year I'm past that. Solid at the point and Parham, Lowery and Owens are all studs next year. long bench and great height. Future's so bright I need shades
Kur... or Yous??
Looking forward to Marquette as repeating national champions in 25-26.
Is it too early to talk about 2028?
Next year looks very optimistic. Considering that it's hard for frosh to make an impact, I see it as:
c: Gold / Caedin- and Caedin improves massively
pf: Parham... huge upgrade vs. Jop
SF: Ross. Stud
SG: Zaide: stud
PG: Owens / Jones. Drop off in skill from Kam but depth helps.
Probable 6th Man: Jones
Probable 7th: Norman
If Shaka can develop a better offensive system that gets some easy buckets, the sky's the limit for these guys because the overall talent is better than this year.
All of these guys are better team players and most are better individual players than Joplin.
All but Jones are bigger/faster/stronger than Stevie.
My only question is who takes the big shots / tough shots. Methinks Parham.
Quote from: MU82 on February 24, 2025, 12:46:45 PMThose who think Shaka/Nevada don't have different offensive looks depending on personnel in the game simply haven't been watching. Gold is more comfortable on the perimeter, Hamilton is better on the block, Oso was great around the top of the key/FT line, Kur was the classic screen-setter/rim-runner. And that's where those bigs play/played the majority of the time they are/were in games.
Ding ding ding
Quote from: hawk on February 24, 2025, 02:36:37 PMI think 5th place is the basement. I expect more that that. I was afraid of the Will Gates syndrome with Jones but sitting out the whole year I'm past that. Solid at the point and Parham, Lowery and Owens are all studs next year. long bench and great height. Future's so bright I need shades
Gates and Jones had two completely different surgeries. Gates had a surgery, as seen in Hoop Dreams, that they would never do again.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 24, 2025, 04:26:52 PMNext year looks very optimistic. Considering that it's hard for frosh to make an impact, I see it as:
c: Gold / Caedin- and Caedin improves massively
pf: Parham... huge upgrade vs. Jop
SF: Ross. Stud
SG: Zaide: stud
PG: Owens / Jones. Drop off in skill from Kam but depth helps.
Probable 6th Man: Jones
Probable 7th: Norman
Agree with this. Also feel Josh Clark though a freshman, since he red shirted, will add some blocks and dunks next year. Program is strong yet and am optimistic about next year too.
Edit After watching Nigel James video today maybe throw him into the mix too as a point guard like Tony Miller or Dominic James who starts every game as a freshman.
I think James has a good chance of potentially starting at sometime next year. Played prep school with great players around him, and high level games.
A little bigger than Sean Jones, but just as explosive, can he shoot the three we will see.
I think this year is largely a transition year. Our seniors were guys that were largely recruited to a different system (Kam, Stevie) and for a different type of play style (Joplin). While all have excelled in the system we play, the Wojo recruits don't fit the long, hyper-athletic recruit that Shaka favors, while Joplin seems more suited for his Texas teams before Nevada Smith and before the defensive shift back to the Violence defense we play here at Marquette.
There is always worry about what we will lose, but I think guys like Zaide, Royce, Owens, Chase, and the incoming freshmen better suit what we are trying to run. The biggest question will be the point and whether Sean can come back 100%, but I think there's still plenty of upside next year. I can see the defense in particular improving. The biggest question will be if the shooting is there. I think we have the capability, but it needs to translate to on-court makes.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 24, 2025, 04:26:52 PMNext year looks very optimistic. Considering that it's hard for frosh to make an impact, I see it as:
c: Gold. Caeden transfers
pf: Parham... huge upgrade vs. Jop
SF: Ross. Stud
SG: Zaide: emerging
PG: transfer
Probable 6th Man: Jones
Probable 7th: Owens
I think will realize he will need more from the PG position and go out and get a bigger scoring PG in the Kolek mold. Some ideal guys at the mid-major level who may be available are Jalen Jackson (PFW), Max McKinnon (Portland via Elon), Marcus Evans (Rice). I'd love a guy like Bennett Stirtz (Drake) or Tayshawn Comer (Evansville). There should be plenty available
Assuming no departures, I think Shaka will look at tre, Sean, Nigel, and possibly DO and think, nah, we're good. Honestly, barring departures, the roster is balanced and deep.
5 guys 6'9 or taller
5 wings in the 6'5-6'7 range
2 6'3 guards
2 <6' pgs.
I dont see the need for an incoming transfer, but it does sound like Andrew Rohde will be transferring out of UVA for his last year.
We recruited him the last time he transferred 2 years ago so there is a relationship there. I dont expect us to pursue, I dont see PG as a massive need, but I doubt he would be someone we'd have to drop a bag for to come home for his last season if the need for a transfer PG arises unexpectedly.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 25, 2025, 06:45:56 AMI think James has a good chance of potentially starting at sometime next year. Played prep school with great players around him, and high level games.
A little bigger than Sean Jones, but just as explosive, can he shoot the three we will see.
Tend to agree. Nothing against Sean Jones, but he is about 5'8' and coming off a major injury with tons of rust. James seems like the keys should be given to him.
This is the last year of the extra covid year players. College basketball is going to get younger overall. Except if the NCAA decides on giving every player 5 years. I do not see Kam, Stevie or Joplin staying another year, so if this takes place for next year MU will suffer.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 24, 2025, 10:15:56 AMTre is showing flashes with his drives as well (I think he will spend a lot of time on the line next year...and he's started to hit FT recently). I still believe Tre runs point with SJ next year and think his 3 pt shooting will improve (35% ish).
Tre is currently shooting sub 18% from deep...........if he shoots 35% next year on equal or more shots, thats not improvement thats a miracle.
After the Nova game he is up to 50% FTs.
Quote from: bilsu on February 25, 2025, 10:27:00 AMThis is the last year of the extra covid year players. College basketball is going to get younger overall. Except if the NCAA decides on giving every player 5 years. I do not see Kam, Stevie or Joplin staying another year, so if this takes place for next year MU will suffer.
This is the last year of widespread extra COVID year use. It's not necessarily the last year. Anyone that was a freshman in 2020-21 and took a redshirt/medical waiver year after would be eligible to play another season. For instance...
2020-21: COVID Freshman
2021-22: Sophomore
2022-23: Junior
2023-24: Medical "redshirt"
2024-25: Senior
2025-26: Eligible for COVID Fifth Year
Quote from: bilsu on February 25, 2025, 10:27:00 AMThis is the last year of the extra covid year players. College basketball is going to get younger overall. Except if the NCAA decides on giving every player 5 years. I do not see Kam, Stevie or Joplin staying another year, so if this takes place for next year MU will suffer.
I could see Jop coming back. He's got a lot of local NIL endorsements that will disappear once he's in Europe playing for a second tier team in Slovakia.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 25, 2025, 09:07:15 AMI think will realize he will need more from the PG position and go out and get a bigger scoring PG in the Kolek mold. Some ideal guys at the mid-major level who may be available are Jalen Jackson (PFW), Max McKinnon (Portland via Elon), Marcus Evans (Rice). I'd love a guy like Bennett Stirtz (Drake) or Tayshawn Comer (Evansville). There should be plenty available
People are saying that Joe Chartouny is available again.
Also, word is that Hurley would trade Mahaney to Shaka for a Leon's triple-dip butter pecan cone.
Quote from: tower912 on February 25, 2025, 09:11:02 AMAssuming no departures, I think Shaka will look at tre, Sean, Nigel, and possibly DO and think, nah, we're good. Honestly, barring departures, the roster is balanced and deep.
5 guys 6'9 or taller
5 wings in the 6'5-6'7 range
2 6'3 guards
2 <6' pgs.
6'9" or taller guys...Parham yes please. The others are question marks, imo..I include Gold in that...and freely admit I'm not a fan but sure hope he's big time next year. Deep and balanced we agree. Enough talent to finish top 5 in-conference? I suppose it's the proverbial TBD.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on February 25, 2025, 11:35:51 AMI could see Jop coming back. He's got a lot of local NIL endorsements that will disappear once he's in Europe playing for a second tier team in Slovakia.
You said that just to upset me.
Nothing would be worse.
Quote from: WarriorFan on February 25, 2025, 11:54:20 AMYou said that just to upset me.
Nothing would be worse.
;D ;D ;D
Quote from: JTJ3 on February 25, 2025, 10:07:35 AMI dont see the need for an incoming transfer, but it does sound like Andrew Rohde will be transferring out of UVA for his last year.
We recruited him the last time he transferred 2 years ago so there is a relationship there. I dont expect us to pursue, I dont see PG as a massive need, but I doubt he would be someone we'd have to drop a bag for to come home for his last season if the need for a transfer PG arises unexpectedly.
Rohde would have been Jop's teammate at Brookfield Central if I'm not mistaken.
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 25, 2025, 10:56:27 AMTre is currently shooting sub 18% from deep...........if he shoots 35% next year on equal or more shots, thats not improvement thats a miracle.
After the Nova game he is up to 50% FTs.
9/13 on ft in past five. It's coming together.
I'm less inclined to say it's a miracle if he hits 35% from 3 but understand the skepticism. But to believe he won't take a step next year is less believable.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 25, 2025, 12:34:57 PM9/13 on ft in past five. It's coming together.
I'm less inclined to say it's a miracle if he hits 35% from 3 but understand the skepticism. But to believe he won't take a step next year is less believable.
I think it would be a miracle as well as his shot is broken, not sure it is that fixable. Not sure he passes well enough or quick enough to play 25-30 minutes next year. Defensively he is very good, rebounds being 6'4", but having Ben and Tre on the court at the same time means playing 3 on 5, not good
Quote from: BrewCity83 on February 25, 2025, 12:18:48 PMRohde would have been Jop's teammate at Brookfield Central if I'm not mistaken.
Am friends with the Joplin Family and the Rohde Family. When David announced Texas I said to him David Texas is great but Marquette is Awesome. Believe Rohde's Dad was the Kicker for a school I will not mention. Marquette did recruit Andrew at the end last time. If Andrew transfers hope he comes to Marquette.
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2025, 11:46:08 AMPeople are saying that Joe Chartouny is available again.
Also, word is that Hurley would trade Mahaney to Shaka for a Leon's triple-dip butter pecan cone.
Perhaps Jose Perez will petition for another year of eligibility.
Quote from: MU82 on February 25, 2025, 11:46:08 AMPeople are saying that Joe Chartouny is available again.
Thanks
so much for reminding me of Joe. Now I will have an image all day long of him standing at the top of the arc, locking eyes with the teammates he was thinking of passing to. At least he didn't point to them, so
there's that.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 25, 2025, 01:15:15 PMPerhaps Jose Perez will petition for another year of eligibility.
Hey, you said point guard!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 25, 2025, 01:34:35 PMThanks so much for reminding me of Joe. Now I will have an image all day long of him standing at the top of the arc, locking eyes with the teammates he was thinking of passing to. At least he didn't point to them, so there's that.
Our impossible comeback win over Creighton wouldn't have happened if he hadn't missed an open layup.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on February 25, 2025, 01:13:49 PMAm friends with the Joplin Family and the Rohde Family. When David announced Texas I said to him David Texas is great but Marquette is Awesome. Believe Rohde's Dad was the Kicker for a school I will not mention. Marquette did recruit Andrew at the end last time. If Andrew transfers hope he comes to Marquette.
maybe he'll whisper his intentions
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 25, 2025, 01:15:15 PMPerhaps Jose Perez will petition for another year of eligibility.
winner post of the month!!
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 25, 2025, 12:34:57 PM9/13 on ft in past five. It's coming together.
I'm less inclined to say it's a miracle if he hits 35% from 3 but understand the skepticism. But to believe he won't take a step next year is less believable.
He didn't take one offensively this year from last....
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 25, 2025, 02:39:03 PMHe didn't take one offensively this year from last....
As the season has gone on, he has developed on the offensive end. Agree to disagree then.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 25, 2025, 12:43:03 PMI think it would be a miracle as well as his shot is broken, not sure it is that fixable. Not sure he passes well enough or quick enough to play 25-30 minutes next year. Defensively he is very good, rebounds being 6'4", but having Ben and Tre on the court at the same time means playing 3 on 5, not good
Yeah, I agree. Ben doesn't know ball.
Is John Dawson still available
After watching the last few games, I think next year's team will be better than I originally believed. Zaide Lowery has come on very strong, and Parham is looking really good. Owens is now looking a lot more comfortable, and Tre Norman continues to make slow but steady progress. Hamilton is showing some promise though he has a long way to go. The strength of next year's team probably depends on whether or not Chase Ross returns. If he does, a starting lineup of Gold, Parham, Ross, Lowery, and Sean Jones is actually a pretty good group. Then you have Owens, Norman, and Hamilton off the bench along with whatever the freshmen can contribute. That is actually a pretty good team that should win a lot of games and should get better as the season progresses. If Chase Ross leaves, that changes things quite a bit.
Quote from: rgoode57 on February 26, 2025, 08:21:39 AMAfter watching the last few games, I think next year's team will be better than I originally believed. Zaide Lowery has come on very strong, and Parham is looking really good. Owens is now looking a lot more comfortable, and Tre Norman continues to make slow but steady progress. Hamilton is showing some promise though he has a long way to go. The strength of next year's team probably depends on whether or not Chase Ross returns. If he does, a starting lineup of Gold, Parham, Ross, Lowery, and Sean Jones is actually a pretty good group. Then you have Owens, Norman, and Hamilton off the bench along with whatever the freshmen can contribute. That is actually a pretty good team that should win a lot of games and should get better as the season progresses. If Chase Ross leaves, that changes things quite a bit.
Where would Ross go?
Quote from: rgoode57 on February 26, 2025, 08:21:39 AMAfter watching the last few games, I think next year's team will be better than I originally believed. Zaide Lowery has come on very strong, and Parham is looking really good. Owens is now looking a lot more comfortable, and Tre Norman continues to make slow but steady progress. Hamilton is showing some promise though he has a long way to go. The strength of next year's team probably depends on whether or not Chase Ross returns. If he does, a starting lineup of Gold, Parham, Ross, Lowery, and Sean Jones is actually a pretty good group. Then you have Owens, Norman, and Hamilton off the bench along with whatever the freshmen can contribute. That is actually a pretty good team that should win a lot of games and should get better as the season progresses. If Chase Ross leaves, that changes things quite a bit.
Welcone to the light.
Quote from: geps on February 26, 2025, 08:26:57 AMWhere would Ross go?
He's not going anywhere. Surprised some even consider it to be a realistic possibility.
https://x.com/CBKReport/status/1894772676461470049?t=68YBZJEPUhP1Sf-t3KmkDQ&s=19
I'm terrified for next year. We may be elite and not sure how we scoopers will handle it.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 26, 2025, 12:06:28 PMhttps://x.com/CBKReport/status/1894772676461470049?t=68YBZJEPUhP1Sf-t3KmkDQ&s=19
I'm terrified for next year. We may be elite and not sure how we scoopers will handle it.
We may be elite because a low usage player has great shooting percentages?
I think we'll be a good team next year, and I think Zaide will be a very good player for us, but he has 3 games in his career that he has reached double digits in points. He averages under 3 ppg for his career, and 4.5 ppg this year. Let's not pretend like he's a likely All American next year.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 26, 2025, 12:10:54 PMWe may be elite because a low usage player has great shooting percentages?
I think we'll be a good team next year, and I think Zaide will be a very good player for us, but he has 3 games in his career that he has reached double digits in points. He averages under 3 ppg for his career, and 4.5 ppg this year. Let's not pretend like he's a likely All American next year.
There you go again. First of all, sarcasm.
Second, who said anything about an All American?
Just wanted to show a fun Zaide stat.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 26, 2025, 12:14:15 PMThere you go again. First of all, sarcasm.
Second, who said anything about an All American?
Just wanted to show a fun Zaide stat.
There I go again? Not sure what that even means.
But good post then, I guess.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 26, 2025, 12:15:07 PMThere I go again? Not sure what that even means.
But good post then, I guess.
You're always trying to exaggerate what people post by adding your own little twist so you can use it later.
Pretty soon it'll be "Remember when GE03 said Zaide was an All American?"
I remember that. I saw it on the internet.
It's an intentionally misleading stat. Sarcasm or not, posting it was always going to result is being called out.
Quote from: tower912 on February 26, 2025, 12:21:36 PMI remember that. I saw it on the internet.
Hahaha. Good point.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 26, 2025, 12:06:28 PMhttps://x.com/CBKReport/status/1894772676461470049?t=68YBZJEPUhP1Sf-t3KmkDQ&s=19
I'm terrified for next year. We may be elite and not sure how we scoopers will handle it.
Two thoughts...
-Too bad Shaka couldn't flip Tamar Bates to Marquette along with Jop, Itejere, and Ellis.
-Did we land the wrong guy from Worcester Academy? Todd Brogna was high school teammates with Tre Norman.
Zaide Lowery was +1 last night in a game we won by 30. And our offense was negativly impacted with him on the court.
I am happy he has finally come to life this season. I am happy he is shooting the cover off the ball.
But this feels like Matt Heldt, Greg Elliot, and if we are lucky a freshman year Chase Ross.
Feels like he is getting the praise that should be given to Royce.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 01:57:37 PMZaide Lowery was +1 last night in a game we won by 30. And our offense was negativly impacted with him on the court.
I am happy he has finally come to life this season. I am happy he is shooting the cover off the ball.
But this feels like Matt Heldt, Greg Elliot, and if we are lucky a freshman year Chase Ross.
Feels like he is getting the praise that should be given to Royce.
1. +/- is a terrible stat.
2. Please show your work as to how "our offense was negatively impacted with him on the court".
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 26, 2025, 12:19:42 PMYou're always trying to exaggerate what people post by adding your own little twist so you can use it later.
Pretty soon it'll be "Remember when GE03 said Zaide was an All American?"
You posted a Tweet showing Zaide as one of a very few college players who are 50/40/90 guys and your comment was that you were "terrified" that we "might be elite" next year. You WAY overreacted to a stat about a little used backup for us this year.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 01:57:37 PMZaide Lowery was +1 last night in a game we won by 30. And our offense was negativly impacted with him on the court.
I am happy he has finally come to life this season. I am happy he is shooting the cover off the ball.
But this feels like Matt Heldt, Greg Elliot, and if we are lucky a freshman year Chase Ross.
Feels like he is getting the praise that should be given to Royce.
There's enough praise to go around. Royce has been very good this year. The catch-all advanced stats really like him.
Evan Miya ranks Royce 36th in the BE for BPR (for reference Gold is 31st). That's good for 6th on the team.
Not only is Royce 6th on the team in BPR, but he's also 6th in RAPM (see the thread posted by Paint Touches.)
Interestingly, BPR ranks Tre Norman ahead of Zaide Lowery, but RAPM favors Zaide. But Zaide's shooting and athleticism give him strengths that indicate loads of potential.
And I think Zaide is getting more praise than Royce lately because Zaide's growth curve has been more noticeable this season. Royce showed flashes early in the season vs Central Michigan, Maryland, and Iowa State. His play is a continuation of that. But Zaide has really come on strong the last few weeks. That newness is what people tend to talk about.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 26, 2025, 02:04:08 PM1. +/- is a terrible stat.
2. Please show your work as to how "our offense was negatively impacted with him on the court".
Well if you want the simple work.
Zaide was +1 for the game.
And the rest of the team was +29 in the 23 minutes where he wasn't on the court.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 02:27:23 PMWell if you want the simple work.
Zaide was +1 for the game.
And the rest of the team was +29 in the 23 minutes where he wasn't on the court.
So no evidence as to how "our offense was negatively affected with him on the court"?
You can repeat your bad stats as much as you want, it doesn't make them good stats.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 26, 2025, 02:29:41 PMSo no evidence as to how "our offense was negatively affected with him on the court"?
You can repeat your bad stats as much as you want, it doesn't make them good stats.
When Zaide was on the court Marquette scored 26 points in 17 minutes and 41 seconds.
When Zaide was off the court Marquette scored 56 points in 23 minutes and 19 seconds.
Good enough for you yet?
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 02:35:40 PMWhen Zaide was on the court Marquette scored 26 points in 17 minutes and 41 seconds.
When Zaide was off the court Marquette scored 56 points in 23 minutes and 19 seconds.
Good enough for you yet?
That's an incredibly dumb way to look at the game, but if it helps you sleep at night knowing you're good at pulling out bad statistics, good for you.
Single game +/- is mostly useless, there are way too many variables that affect it within a game.
+/- over the course of a month or even a full season is much more useful in determining overall impact on the floor.
We will be good. I see some breakout play from Parham and others who will be the main guys now.
We will be a tough out. I see 4th, maybe 3rd. Depends on other teams and the league in general. Surprise players...
Quote from: JTJ3 on February 26, 2025, 02:51:10 PMSingle game +/- is mostly useless, there are way too many variables that affect it within a game.
+/- over the course of a month or even a full season is much more useful in determining overall impact on the floor.
Zaide's OBPM and DBPM for the season are higher than Parham's. Zaide has the best DRB% on the team. This is in addition to being the best shooter on the team in terms of FG%, 3pt%, and FT%. He trails only Stevie and Ross in Steal%. Zaide also often covers the opponent's best perimeter player. I understand the excitement about Parham, but Zaide is improving and has a very high athletic ceiling. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/men/2025.html
I love that we're predicting league placement when we have no idea what the other teams rosters will be like. Will the next St. Johns NIL check clear? Will Nova bring in an actual coach? How will Miller's recruitment go now that the extra Covid eligibility is (almost) over? Does Sorber leave? Probably save to assume McNeely's gone, but will the next crop of highly ranked UConn Freshman be as good? Just because we largely know what we'll look like (Shaka might still surprise us with that last scholly), does not mean that the rest of the league will stack up the same next year.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 26, 2025, 03:57:38 PMZaide's OBPM and DBPM for the season are higher than Parham's. Zaide has the best DRB% on the team. This is in addition to being the best shooter on the team in terms of FG%, 3pt%, and FT%. He trails only Stevie and Ross in Steal%. Zaide also often covers the opponent's best perimeter player. I understand the excitement about Parham, but Zaide is improving and has a very high athletic ceiling. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/men/2025.html
Box scores are fun..
I prefer marquette to be playing better when a player is on the court.
Quote from: Its DJOver on February 26, 2025, 02:37:17 PMThat's an incredibly dumb way to look at the game, but if it helps you sleep at night knowing you're good at pulling out bad statistics, good for you.
I am using single game stats when I am talking about one game. Sorry
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 06:47:04 PMI am using single game stats when I am talking about one game. Sorry
But then you projected it to be larger than one game...
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 01:57:37 PMBut this feels like Matt Heldt, Greg Elliot, and if we are lucky a freshman year Chase Ross.
Feels like he is getting the praise that should be given to Royce.
People are (correctly) pointing out to you that using +/- from one game to determine a player's overall value is really a poor use of statistics.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 06:45:00 PMBox scores are fun..
I prefer marquette to be playing better when a player is on the court.
For the season, MU is playing better with Lowery on the floor than Parham. What's your point?
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 26, 2025, 06:53:24 PMFor the season, MU is playing better with Lowery on the floor than Parham. What's your point?
That is not true
Zaide Lowery On. Adjusted Off Eff is 112.2.Adjusted Def Eff 95.7.
Royce Parham On. Adjusted Off Eff is 119.3. Adjusted Def Eff is 91.0
Quote from: The Sultan on February 26, 2025, 06:52:04 PMBut then you projected it to be larger than one game...
People are (correctly) pointing out to you that using +/- from one game to determine a player's overall value is really a poor use of statistics.
Because he is comparable to Heldt, Elliot, and Freshman year Chase Ross. His Box Score impact is greater than his impact on the team is.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 26, 2025, 03:57:38 PMZaide's OBPM and DBPM for the season are higher than Parham's. Zaide has the best DRB% on the team. This is in addition to being the best shooter on the team in terms of FG%, 3pt%, and FT%. He trails only Stevie and Ross in Steal%. Zaide also often covers the opponent's best perimeter player. I understand the excitement about Parham, but Zaide is improving and has a very high athletic ceiling. https://www.sports-reference.com/cbb/schools/marquette/men/2025.html
This is Boxscore Impact. Which Zaides is high because he doesn't make mistakes in the box score.
Much like Matt Heldt, Greg Elliot, and Freshman year Chase Ross.
Marquette plays better with parham on the court then it does with any other bench player on the court.
There are many reason for this. But one of the main ones is parham is very very good. And the rest of the bench is kinda good.
people think zaide is better than he is, because he shoots lights out on 12% usage.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 07:05:24 PMBecause he is comparable to Heldt, Elliot, and Freshman year Chase Ross. His Box Score impact is greater than his impact on the team is.
I have no idea what this even means. Isn't +/- also a stat on a box score???
Listen I like Royce........I also like Zaide.....I'm not sure why people need to get into these tiffs over two,young guys that most of us are excited about.
As far as the plus minus......it certainly helps Royce that he is only coming in for Jop or Ben.....while Zaide is replacing Stevie, Chase or even at times Kam(when Chase moves to be the point).
Much easier to make a positive impact when you are playing the vast majority of your minutes with the 3 best players on the team.
Ps I really liked the toughness that Royce played with last night........he's going to be a good one.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 26, 2025, 07:10:52 PMI have no idea what this even means. Isn't +/- also a stat on a box score???
OBPM and DBPM are two stats that meassure your estimated +/- based on your box score when on the court. It assigns the results of the game based on the box score of a player.
So a player who takes a few shots but makes them all will have a high OBPM. And the same goes for defense. When you have steals, blocks, or defensive boards, and the team plays good defense it goes back and attributes it to your stats.
Matt Heldt, some years of Greg Elliot, and freshman year Chase Ross are three examples of players who had "good box scores" more than they did "good games". Low usage rates, made the shots they took.
HOWEVER. This is not +/-. Or how the team preforms when you are in the game. +/- is a literal +/- when a player is on the court.
So Zaide having great OBPM and DBPM, and having a season long +/- or +45. Lower than Parham's +138. And Normans +71. Is another example of a Heldt and Elliot, type of player.
Quote from: MuMark on February 26, 2025, 07:24:25 PMListen I like Royce........I also like Zaide.....I'm not sure why people need to get into these tiffs over two,young guys that most of us are excited about.
Because this is scoop.
Kalkbrenner is not overrated.
Quote from: MuMark on February 26, 2025, 07:24:25 PMListen I like Royce........I also like Zaide.....I'm not sure why people need to get into these tiffs over two,young guys that most of us are excited about.
As far as the plus minus......it certainly helps Royce that he is only coming in for Jop or Ben.....while Zaide is replacing Stevie, Chase or even at times Kam(when Chase moves to be the point).
Much easier to make a positive impact when you are playing the vast majority of your minutes with the 3 best players on the team.
Ps I really liked the toughness that Royce played with last night........he's going to be a good one.
Honestly because Royce is better than Oso was as a freshman and is deserving of all the praise in the world. And Zaide is a fine bench player who is getting inflated because he has good shooting splits on low usage.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 07:31:50 PMHonestly because Royce is better than Oso was as a freshman and is deserving of all the praise in the world. And Zaide is a fine bench player who is getting inflated because he has good shooting splits on low usage.
Well, yeah. Oso had 6 points and 6 rebounds as a frosh. Royce already at 153 and 62.
Oso hardly played as a freshman.......again.....you are reading too much into this.
I haven't read the whole thread.....if people are suggesting that Zaide is on his way to being a star I agree that's over the top and way premature........just like its a bit premature to compare Royce to Oso........
I understand your point about Royce......if I had to choose one stock to buy it would be his as well.....but it's too soon to make any grand predictions.........just let them play.
Ps I'd be fine with a Chase Ross trajectory for Zaide.
Quote from: MuMark on February 26, 2025, 07:41:24 PMOso hardly played as a freshman.......again.....you are reading too much into this.
I haven't read the whole thread.....if people are suggesting that Zaide is on his way to being a star I agree that's over the top and way premature........just like its a bit premature to compare Royce to Oso........
I understand your point about Royce......if I had to choose one stock to buy it would be his as well.....but it's too soon to make any grand predictions.........just let them play.
Ps I'd be fine with a Chase Ross trajectory for Zaide.
Nobody said Lowery was on his way to being a star. I agree that Parham has more upside on offense. Lowery draws, and likely will continue to draw for his career, tougher defensive assignments.
We are going to see plenty of both of them in 25-26. I am looking forward to watching their growth. I am rooting for them both to succeed, as more responsibility and opportunity will fall to each. And their success is MU's success.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 07:25:44 PMOBPM and DBPM are two stats that meassure your estimated +/- based on your box score when on the court. It assigns the results of the game based on the box score of a player.
So a player who takes a few shots but makes them all will have a high OBPM. And the same goes for defense. When you have steals, blocks, or defensive boards, and the team plays good defense it goes back and attributes it to your stats.
Matt Heldt, some years of Greg Elliot, and freshman year Chase Ross are three examples of players who had "good box scores" more than they did "good games". Low usage rates, made the shots they took.
HOWEVER. This is not +/-. Or how the team preforms when you are in the game. +/- is a literal +/- when a player is on the court.
So Zaide having great OBPM and DBPM, and having a season long +/- or +45. Lower than Parham's +138. And Normans +71. Is another example of a Heldt and Elliot, type of player.
But +/- is a bad stat because it is highly dependent on who that player is playing with when he is on the floor. For instance Tre, being the first sub off the bench, is often playing with four starters. So the fact that his +/- is higher than Zaide's doesn't mean that Tre himself is more impactful.
To be clear, I am not saying that Zaide is more or less valuable than Royce. Frankly I think they are both showing great promise and look forward to seeing them grow together.
But anyone watching the game can see that Zaide is way more impactful than Matt Heldt was.
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 06:47:04 PMI am using single game stats when I am talking about one game. Sorry
You are looking at incredibly cherry picked stats that are not relevant in a one game sample size. Extrapolating MU points when O'Malley is on the floor as points per minutes in the game (your stats to show that Zaide negatively affected our offense), we would have scored 120 if he had played the full 40. Following your cherry picked stats he should be an All-American.
Quote from: MuMark on February 26, 2025, 07:41:24 PMOso hardly played as a freshman.......again.....you are reading too much into this.
I haven't read the whole thread.....if people are suggesting that Zaide is on his way to being a star I agree that's over the top and way premature........just like its a bit premature to compare Royce to Oso........
I understand your point about Royce......if I had to choose one stock to buy it would be his as well.....but it's too soon to make any grand predictions.........just let them play.
Ps I'd be fine with a Chase Ross trajectory for Zaide.
one of these is premature. the other is accurate. IMO
Quote from: The Sultan on February 26, 2025, 07:51:55 PMZaide is way more impactful than Matt Heldt was.
In the last few games 100%. I am glad Zaide's game is picking up.
But if you really want to look at it, you would get rid of the word "way".
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 09:03:23 PMIn the last few games 100%. I am glad Zaide's game is picking up.
But if you really want to look at it, you would get rid of the word "way".
No. I would not.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 26, 2025, 07:46:18 PMNobody said Lowery was on his way to being a star. I agree that Parham has more upside on offense. Lowery draws, and likely will continue to draw for his career, tougher defensive assignments.
What is your definition of a star? Is Ross a star? I could see Lowery as a junior being as good as Ross is as a junior, if he got the same minutes. Lowery's problem is there is significant competition at sf/sg, so I am not sure how much time he will get, especially if the freshmen are ready to play significant minutes.
Everybody transfers out. 8 randoms from the portal plus the freshman class.
Quote from: bilsu on February 27, 2025, 07:30:49 AMWhat is your definition of a star? Is Ross a star? I could see Lowery as a junior being as good as Ross is as a junior, if he got the same minutes. Lowery's problem is there is significant competition at sf/sg, so I am not sure how much time he will get, especially if the freshmen are ready to play significant minutes.
Zaide at worst will be the first guard off the bench. It is incredibly doubtful that any freshman will pass him up in the rotation.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 27, 2025, 08:01:12 AMZaide at worst will be the first guard off the bench. It is incredibly doubtful that any freshman will pass him up in the rotation.
Yup.
Quote from: bilsu on February 27, 2025, 07:30:49 AMWhat is your definition of a star? Is Ross a star? I could see Lowery as a junior being as good as Ross is as a junior, if he got the same minutes. Lowery's problem is there is significant competition at sf/sg, so I am not sure how much time he will get, especially if the freshmen are ready to play significant minutes.
I've been a Lowery fan since last season. Like Ross, Lowery and Owens are different level athletes. I'll be surprised if Lowery doesn't start next year because he's already the best defender off the bench and a better defender than a couple starters. He's also a good shooter. That said, there's no benefit to overhyping any player and I didn't see anyone overhyping Lowery, IMO. I'm a big Ross fan as well. As for who is a "star," I'm apparently more judicious in the use of platitudes.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 27, 2025, 08:21:24 AMI've been a Lowery fan since last season. Like Ross, Lowery and Owens are different level athletes. I'll be surprised if Lowery doesn't start next year because he's already the best defender off the bench and a better defender than a couple starters. He's also a good shooter. That said, there's no benefit to overhyping any player and I didn't see anyone overhyping Lowery, IMO. I'm a big Ross fan as well. As for who is a "star," I'm apparently more judicious in the use of platitudes.
I am also a Lowery fan. And an Owens fan. And a Ross fan. Unless one of them figures out how to run the point, there is no way they can all start. Gold and Parham are going to be the bigs.
I am looking forward to those three splitting time at the 2-3. Maybe the occasional match up where they can all play while Royce sits. But in all likelihood, it will be Ross playing 30 and DO and ZL splitting the other 50 at the 2-3. I am not sure it matters who starts.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 26, 2025, 12:18:35 AMIs John Dawson still available
Mr. Magic Dawson, address him properly.
Quote from: tower912 on February 27, 2025, 08:27:01 AMI am also a Lowery fan. And an Owens fan. And a Ross fan. Unless one of them figures out how to run the point, there is no way they can all start. Gold and Parham are going to be the bigs.
I am looking forward to those three splitting time at the 2-3. Maybe the occasional match up where they can all play while Royce sits. But in all likelihood, it will be Ross playing 30 and DO and ZL splitting the other 50 at the 2-3. I am not sure it matters who starts.
More like lots of good players but a true star, not sure they have one. Ross is limited without a true jump shot,nor does Owens. Lowery at least has a pretty good looking shot, jump shot doubt it as well
What does that word salad mean? Other than you don't like MU players?
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 27, 2025, 10:37:09 AMMore like lots of good players but a true star, not sure they have one. Ross is limited without a true jump shot,nor does Owens. Lowery at least has a pretty good looking shot, jump shot doubt it as well
Where is this "zaide and chase can't shoot" thing coming from? Both have great looking jumpers. Chase hits at 37%, Zaide even higher.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 27, 2025, 10:43:28 AMWhere is this "zaide and chase can't shoot" thing coming from? Both have great looking jumpers. Chase hits at 37%, Zaide even higher.
Would not call them I. Your face mid range jumpers, more like have to be wide open to get there shots off. More of a hop.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 27, 2025, 10:47:32 AMWould not call them I. Your face mid range jumpers, more like have to be wide open to get there shots off. More of a hop.
The system is designed to get open shots. Would you prefer they take worse and contested shots to prove they are "shooters?"
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 26, 2025, 12:06:28 PMhttps://x.com/CBKReport/status/1894772676461470049?t=68YBZJEPUhP1Sf-t3KmkDQ&s=19
I'm terrified for next year. We may be elite and not sure how we scoopers will handle it.
Easy:
Yeah, we made a final four but didn't win it all.
Yeah, we won it all, but we lost a couple of games along the way.
Yeah we were undefeated, but we didn't cover the spread.
Yeah we covered every spread, but Ben didn't shoot 50% from 3...
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 27, 2025, 10:47:32 AMWould not call them I. Your face mid range jumpers, more like have to be wide open to get there shots off. More of a hop.
For the one millionth time...this team doesn't take mid range jumpers.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 27, 2025, 10:37:09 AMMore like lots of good players but a true star, not sure they have one. Ross is limited without a true jump shot,nor does Owens. Lowery at least has a pretty good looking shot, jump shot doubt it as well
Wut?
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 27, 2025, 10:47:32 AMWould not call them I. Your face mid range jumpers, more like have to be wide open to get there shots off. More of a hop.
Huh?
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 27, 2025, 10:47:32 AMWould not call them I. Your face mid range jumpers, more like have to be wide open to get there shots off. More of a hop.
Guarded mid range jumpers. Just what this system is built for.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 27, 2025, 11:41:35 AMGuarded mid range jumpers. Just what this system is built for.
I like players that can score from all 3 levels! So you need a real jump shot!
Quote from: jfp61 on February 26, 2025, 07:31:50 PMHonestly because Royce is better than Oso was as a freshman and is deserving of all the praise in the world. And Zaide is a fine bench player who is getting inflated because he has good shooting splits on low usage.
That's not why Zaide is getting "inflated".
Yeah Zaide is getting inflated because he looks great. If it's limited minutes he's solid. When he gets extended run he knocks down shots and for the last month he's been good off the bounce.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 27, 2025, 01:32:48 PMYeah Zaide is getting inflated because he looks great. If it's limited minutes he's solid. When he gets extended run he knocks down shots and for the last month he's been good off the bounce.
No, in season improvement isn't a thing under the Shaka regime.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 27, 2025, 12:42:14 PMI like players that can score from all 3 levels! So you need a real jump shot!
WTF, a jump shot is a jump shot no matta distance
Something to consider, players may be asked to play a role that may not be their strength, but what is needed in the time and place. (See one Kam Jones). When circumstances change and roles change, they may exceed expectations because they are more suited for that new role.
Just a crazy thought.....
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 27, 2025, 02:48:55 PMWTF, a jump shot is a jump shot no matta distance
Come on, it doesn't matter what you do behind the 3 point line. You're not a real shooter unless you can hit a sweet 15 footer from the wing or baseline.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 27, 2025, 04:01:35 PMCome on, it doesn't matter what you do behind the 3 point line. You're not a real shooter unless you can hit a sweet 15 footer from the wing or baseline.
With a hand in your face. Like Al intended.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 27, 2025, 04:02:25 PMWith a hand in your face. Like Al intended.
If the players aren't good enough to make an inefficient shot efficient, we need to be hitting the portal
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 27, 2025, 04:15:44 PMIf the players aren't good enough to make an inefficient shot efficient, we need to be hitting the portal
Need an Aircraft Carrier
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 27, 2025, 10:43:02 PMNeed an Aircraft Carrier
May as well just accept this is all Shaka cares to recruit smh (https://hips.hearstapps.com/hmg-prod/images/screen-shot-2020-08-25-at-9-33-31-am-1598362516.png?crop=0.7010309278350515xw:1xh;center,top&resize=1200:*)
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 27, 2025, 10:43:02 PMNeed an Aircraft Carrier
I want an aircraft carrier that also excels in the midrange game.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 28, 2025, 07:34:00 AMI want an aircraft carrier that also excels in the midrange game.
Especially with a hand in their face.
Quote from: BCHoopster on February 27, 2025, 10:37:09 AMRoss is limited without a true jump shot
Chase's shot is fine. What I would like to see him improve on is finishing at the rim in traffic. He's clearly got it down for when he's on a breakaway, but when contested his drives are often out of control resulting in a suboptimal shot. I think he needs to learn to vary his speed on drives to maintain control and get off a better shot.