Welcome to the new year.
After winning their Super Bowl in week 17, the Bears are raising ticket prices by an average of 10% for the upcoming season.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2025, 01:09:03 PMWelcome to the new year.
After winning their Super Bowl in week 17, the Bears are raising ticket prices by an average of 10% for the upcoming season.
If the state won't make taxpayers fund Kevin Warren's lakefront palace, somebody's got to.
I refuse to acknowledge 2025. I will post in NFL 2024.
Season doesn't start for me until the league does right by Anders.
New season, same curse.
Predictions for Justin Tucker in the 2025 season?
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 19, 2025, 06:40:40 PMPredictions for Justin Tucker in the 2025 season?
2 - 4 years and civil judgment in the millions?
A white guy who assaults women?
He'll probably get a contract extension.
Quote from: Jockey on February 19, 2025, 09:16:00 PMA white guy who assaults women?
He'll probably get a contract extension.
Oh yeah, good one Jockey. Deshaun Watson sound familiar? Let me help you, $230M guaranteed after more than 20 women came forward.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 19, 2025, 06:43:59 PM2 - 4 years and civil judgment in the millions?
4-5 years to judge
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 19, 2025, 10:51:32 PMOh yeah, good one Jockey. Deshaun Watson sound familiar? Let me help you, $230M guaranteed after more than 20 women came forward.
Thk u for supporting equal opportunity misogyny Hutch
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 20, 2025, 12:07:51 PMThk u for supporting equal opportunity misogyny Hutch
No, that isn't even close. Just pointing out how incredibly stupid the racial comment was.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 20, 2025, 01:05:13 PMNo, that isn't even close. Just pointing out how incredibly stupid the racial comment was.
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Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 20, 2025, 01:05:13 PMNo, that isn't even close. Just pointing out how incredibly stupid the racial comment was.
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Bad offseason for Dallas just got worse.
Zack Martin is retiring.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 20, 2025, 04:23:55 PMBad offseason for Dallas just got worse.
Zack Martin is retiring.
Hard reset.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 20, 2025, 04:23:55 PMBad offseason for Dallas just got worse.
Zack Martin is retiring.
Martin perfectly highlights the fascinating duality of Offensive Linemen. He's the best OL since Joe Thomas and quite possibly a top 5 OL of all time. But he's not a household name, not even among average NFL fans. But unlike some positions that aren't as widely known to casuals, OL are highly paid commiserate to their value.
I consider myself a big fan of the NFL, and had no clue he was a 7 time first team all pro. and two time second team all pro. In an 11 year career. The only years he missed were likely because of injury. That is nutty.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 21, 2025, 09:53:50 AMI consider myself a big fan of the NFL, and had no clue he was a 7 time first team all pro. and two time second team all pro. In an 11 year career. The only years he missed were likely because of injury. That is nutty.
He had more All Pro selections than holding penalties called against him in his career.
Stafford has been given permission to seek a trade out of LA. Where would he be the missing piece for a couple of seasons?
Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2025, 04:14:39 PMStafford has been given permission to seek a trade out of LA. Where would he be the missing piece for a couple of seasons?
His brother-in-law just got hired as the Giants' assistant QB coach.
Daboll and Schoen arguably can't wait for a rookie QB to develop.
Makes you go hmmmm.
Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2025, 04:14:39 PMStafford has been given permission to seek a trade out of LA. Where would he be the missing piece for a couple of seasons?
Who are the Rams going to plug in? He's still a top 15 QB on a good team. I could understand the Rams taking a QB in the first round but I don't get letting Stafford walk from a playoff quality team.
Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2025, 04:14:39 PMStafford has been given permission to seek a trade out of LA. Where would he be the missing piece for a couple of seasons?
You know the answer to this
Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2025, 04:14:39 PMStafford has been given permission to seek a trade out of LA. Where would he be the missing piece for a couple of seasons?
Lions
Quote from: Pakuni on February 22, 2025, 04:17:49 PMHis brother-in-law just got hired as the Giants' assistant QB coach.
Daboll and Schoen arguably can't wait for a rookie QB to develop.
Makes you go hmmmm.
Supposedly Matthew's wife was quoted recently about interest in living in greater New York (or something like that).
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 22, 2025, 06:21:27 PMLions
I think Stafford is a better QB than Goff. However, like Shaka, I think the power structure at Detroit wants it to be about culture. Bringing Stafford back and dumping Goff would be too expensive, too disruptive, and hypocritical. (From their perspective)
Quote from: tower912 on February 23, 2025, 07:52:39 AMI think Stafford is a better QB than Goff. However, like Shaka, I think the power structure at Detroit wants it to be about culture. Bringing Stafford back and dumping Goff would be too expensive, too disruptive, and hypocritical. (From their perspective)
Depending on what they think of Goff's ability to lead them to a Super Bowl, it could be a nice bit of business for the Lions.
Stafford's cap hit the next two seasons is $49.7 million and $53.7 million. The actual cash payout is $27 million and $31 million.
For Goff, the numbers are $32.6 million next year, but then $69.6 million in 2026. Cash figures are $18 million and $55 million.
So, there's a little cap savings with Goff for 2025, but then he costs quite a bit more in 2026 and is more expensive in terms of actual dollars over the two seasons.
But then, Stafford is an free agent in 2027 (if he's even still playing), whereas the Lions are on the hook for another year of Goff, with a $54.6 million cap hit and $40 million cash. Those probably aren't huge numbers in 2027, but they're a drag if Goff proves unable to get the team to a Super Bowl the next two seasons.
I don't see why the Rams would want Goff in return. If they're really going to move on from Stafford, it's to move on from his contract. And given the dead cap they'd need to absorb by trading him (nearly $50 million), I can't imagine they'd want another big contract in return.
Guys I was kidding.
I think this is the Rams way to do two things at once - find fair market value is for Stafford at this stage in his career, and find trade value if FMV outpaces their willingness to pay.
I'd put the chances of him being traded at about 25%
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 23, 2025, 09:32:39 AMGuys I was kidding.
I think this is the Rams way to do two things at once - find fair market value is for Stafford at this stage in his career, and find trade value if FMV outpaces their willingness to pay.
I'd put the chances of him being traded at about 25%
Use teal
Quote from: Pakuni on February 23, 2025, 08:44:59 AMBut then, Stafford is an free agent in 2027 (if he's even still playing), whereas the Lions are on the hook for another year of Goff, with a $54.6 million cap hit and $40 million cash. Those probably aren't huge numbers in 2027, but they're a drag if Goff proves unable to get the team to a Super Bowl the next two seasons.
By your reasoning, the Ravens should dump Lamar cuz he can't get them to a Super Bowl (and probably never will). It seems awful cavalier to suggest dumping Goff who is still one of the better QBs in the League when you look at the QB wilderness that so many teams are stuck in. His money is not unreasonable for a guy in his prime who gets the playoffs almost every year and has won a SB.
As a Packers fan, I would love to see the Lions dump Goff, but it ain't happenin'.
Quote from: Jockey on February 23, 2025, 11:12:32 AMBy your reasoning, the Ravens should dump Lamar cuz he can't get them to a Super Bowl (and probably never will). It seems awful cavalier to suggest dumping Goff who is still one of the better QBs in the League when you look at the QB wilderness that so many teams are stuck in. His money is not unreasonable for a guy in his prime who gets the playoffs almost every year and has won a SB.
As a Packers fan, I would love to see the Lions dump Goff, but it ain't happenin'.
Which Super Bowl did Goff win?
You're just making stuff up here.
Notwithstanding your insane analogizing of Lamar to Jared Goff - one drives his team's success, the other is more of a passenger - I didn't write that the Lions should "dump Goff." I wrote that
if the Lions believe Goff can't get them a Super Bowl, it makes sense to look elsewhere. Because they otherwise have a Super Bowl roster which eventually will get wasted
if they don't believe Goff can be that guy.
These are the tough decisions teams need to make to win championships.
Jockey just wants to remind everyone of his absurd Lamar takes every so often.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 23, 2025, 11:36:02 AMWhich Super Bowl did Goff win?
You're just making stuff up here.
Notwithstanding your insane analogizing of Lamar to Jared Goff - one drives his team's success, the other is more of a passenger - I didn't write that the Lions should "dump Goff." I wrote that if the Lions believe Goff can't get them a Super Bowl, it makes sense to look elsewhere. Because they otherwise have a Super Bowl roster which eventually will get wasted if they don't believe Goff can be that guy.
These are the tough decisions teams need to make to win championships.
I wrote it wrong - meant to say he has been to a SB.
Lamar may have the best roster round him and can't get to one. He is another iteration of ARod - an MVP-caliber QB who for 10 Years & numerous MVPs wasn't able to get to a SB. Once Lamar gets to an actual SB, I'll change my opinion on his degree of greatness.
I just think Goff needs a bit more roster construction to get over the hump than other good QBs. Needs one more WR. Can you imagine him and Lamar on the same team?
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 23, 2025, 01:37:37 PMI just think Goff needs a bit more roster construction to get over the hump than other good QBs. Needs one more WR. Can you imagine him and Lamar on the same team?
That's reasonable, but he got to a SB with worse RB and TE and comparable WRs than what he has in Detroit.
Quote from: Jockey on February 23, 2025, 01:32:54 PMI wrote it wrong - meant to say he has been to a SB.
Lamar may have the best roster round him and can't get to one. He is another iteration of ARod - an MVP-caliber QB who for 10 Years & numerous MVPs wasn't able to get to a SB. Once Lamar gets to an actual SB, I'll change my opinion on his degree of greatness.
No, Lamar does not have the best roster around him, especially at the skill positions.
He's never had a Pro Bowl receiver and he's had just one receiver who's gone over 1,000 yards (and that was 1,059 in 17 games this year).
He's been his team's leading rusher every year except 2024.
Especially on offense, no one is taking the Ravens roster ahead of Detroit's.
The whole "never been to a Super Bowl" argument is silly.
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert have never been to a Super Bowl.
Jimmy Garappolo, Brock Purdy and Jared Goff have.
Which group are you taking?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 23, 2025, 10:47:23 AMUse teal
Teal is discriminatory against color blind MU fans.
Me suggesting use teal should have been in teal
If you can't beat it, ban it?
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1894109546714456120
Quote from: Pakuni on February 24, 2025, 06:39:15 PMIf you can't beat it, ban it?
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1894109546714456120
The Chicago Bears submitted a plan to the NFL to ban annual ass kickings by the Packers.
I think a team should hire a very small player, and catapult them downfield each play. Might be able to get 3 yards per play and be unstoppable.
In all seriousness, the Tush-Push should be made illegal again (would have been illegal pre-2006).
Quote from: forgetful on February 25, 2025, 10:34:11 PMI think a team should hire a very small player, and catapult them downfield each play. Might be able to get 3 yards per play and be unstoppable.
In all seriousness, the Tush-Push should be made illegal again (would have been illegal pre-2006).
And Muggsy would finally get the respect he deserves
Quote from: BM1090 on February 25, 2025, 11:30:28 PMAnd Muggsy would finally get the respect he deserves
Peyton manning like calling out "Omaha" but it's "Manatee"
Quote from: Pakuni on February 24, 2025, 06:39:15 PMIf you can't beat it, ban it?
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1894109546714456120
One thing I heard is that a number of teams want to ban this but that Mark Murphy and the Packers agreed to submit it because it's his last meeting.
Most likely he did it to suck up to the chiefs to Taylor swift plays at lambeau on her next tour.
The NFLPA's annual report card is out.
You'll never guess who the worst owners are.
Kidding, you all know already.
https://nflpa.com/report-cards/2025
Quote from: Pakuni on February 26, 2025, 02:15:20 PMThe NFLPA's annual report card is out.
You'll never guess who the worst owners are.
Kidding, you all know already.
https://nflpa.com/report-cards/2025
New England and Pitt are "D"s? I did not expect that. The media tells us they are the best.
Miami very good?
https://x.com/Schultz_Report/status/1894831950478877046
I thought Bears ownership was the worst in sports history? Or the worst ownership in any industry ever. That's what some Scoopers have said, at least.
Brady wining and dining Stafford. LV?
We've got a good old-fashioned NFL insiders donnybrook.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jordan-schultz-verbally-accosted-ian-rapoport-at-a-starbucks-in-indianapolis
Looks like Stafford is going to stay in LA on a restructured deal and Packers are going after DK Metcalf.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on February 28, 2025, 01:16:46 PMLooks like Stafford is going to stay in LA on a restructured deal and Packers are going after DK Metcalf.
Raiders beat writer is reporting that the Rams asked for the #6 overall pick before restructuring Stafford and Vegas said no.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on February 28, 2025, 01:16:46 PMLooks like Stafford is going to stay in LA on a restructured deal and Packers are going after DK Metcalf.
Maybe we should offer all our unwanted pieces like Jaire and Doubs. Works in Madden.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 28, 2025, 02:19:17 PMRaiders beat writer is reporting that the Rams asked for the #6 overall pick before restructuring Stafford and Vegas said no.
Good for both the Raiders and the Rams. Stafford isn't worth the 6th pick and the Rams should keep Stafford, who is still very good on a good team.
Deebo Samuel to Washington for a 5th-round pick. Shazam.
Quote from: MU82 on March 02, 2025, 02:28:38 AMDeebo Samuel to Washington for a 5th-round pick. Shazam.
One of the most remarkable immediate turnarounds I've seen in the NFL in a long time. Yes, Daniels was great. But Peters, the new GM who came in with new ownership, signed 25+ FAs and absolutely CRUSHED it. Signed 4 guys who became All-Pros this year, on both sides of the ball, and now follows it up adding another huge weapon (provided he stays healthy) for Daniels. Just astounding
Definitely a shot across the bow of the rest of the NFC.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 02, 2025, 09:04:18 AMOne of the most remarkable immediate turnarounds I've seen in the NFL in a long time. Yes, Daniels was great. But Peters, the new GM who came in with new ownership, signed 25+ FAs and absolutely CRUSHED it. Signed 4 guys who became All-Pros this year, on both sides of the ball, and now follows it up adding another huge weapon (provided he stays healthy) for Daniels. Just astounding
At the price of a 5th round pick it's worth a risk on a guy who maybe will be rejuvenated by a change of scenery combined with heading into a possible free-agent year.
Realistically, they aren't getting 2021 Deebo - he hasn't been that guy in a while - but a low-risk, potentially good reward move.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 02, 2025, 11:14:26 AMAt the price of a 5th round pick it's worth a risk on a guy who maybe will be rejuvenated by a change of scenery combined with heading into a possible free-agent year.
Realistically, they aren't getting 2021 Deebo - he hasn't been that guy in a while - but a low-risk, potentially good reward move.
Agree 100%. Basically a risk-free acquisition of a talented, experienced player.
Jimmy Johnson retiring from the Fox studio show.
Now Terry Bradshaw needs to follow him.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 03, 2025, 01:03:37 PMJimmy Johnson retiring from the Fox studio show.
Now Terry Bradshaw needs to follow him.
He should have preceded him
Bears getting Jonah Jackson from the Rams for a 6th round pick.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 04, 2025, 11:45:54 AMBears getting Jonah Jackson from the Rams for a 6th round pick.
Whale of a trade.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 03, 2025, 01:03:37 PMJimmy Johnson retiring from the Fox studio show.
Now Terry Bradshaw needs to follow him.
I wonder how much Jimmy got paid to make one obvious observation a week. Same with most others on these 5- and 6-person NFL panels.
Bradshaw is so bad that it's almost endearing. Plus, it's employing a guy who took a lot of hits to the head on behalf of the NFL.
Jets cutting Devante Adams. Would've been silly to trade for him.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 04, 2025, 12:35:18 PMJets cutting Devante Adams. Would've been silly to trade for him.
Hard to believe nobody wants to take on a $38.2 million cap hit for a mercurial 32-year-old receiver.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 04, 2025, 11:51:11 AMWhale of a trade.
Decent potential for a 6th round pick. I have to assume a contract restructure is in the works.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2025, 11:57:05 AMI wonder how much Jimmy got paid to make one obvious observation a week. Same with most others on these 5- and 6-person NFL panels.
Bradshaw is so bad that it's almost endearing. Plus, it's employing a guy who took a lot of hits to the head on behalf of the NFL.
Keeping Bradshaw elevates the perceived insights of Gronk
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 04, 2025, 01:26:53 PMDecent potential for a 6th round pick. I have to assume a contract restructure is in the works.
Bears have zero leverage for a restructure unless they want to give a healthy guarantee for 2026 (they don't want to).
This is at best a mediocre trade based on a $17M payday for 2025.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 04, 2025, 12:35:18 PMJets cutting Devante Adams. Would've been silly to trade for him.
Will the Packers re-sign him?
Quote from: Dish on March 04, 2025, 07:33:35 PMBears have zero leverage for a restructure unless they want to give a healthy guarantee for 2026 (they don't want to).
This is at best a mediocre trade based on a $17M payday for 2025.
Jackson is a good player, but yeah, $17 million is a hefty price for a guard who's missed 18 games the past two seasons.
Quote from: forgetful on March 04, 2025, 07:44:02 PMWill the Packers re-sign him?
Well... In the end I doubt it, but I think they will at least look at it.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 04, 2025, 08:11:21 PMWell... In the end I doubt it, but I think they will at least look at it.
I think it's Adams decision first and foremost.
Quote from: Dish on March 04, 2025, 07:33:35 PMBears have zero leverage for a restructure unless they want to give a healthy guarantee for 2026 (they don't want to).
This is at best a mediocre trade based on a $17M payday for 2025.
They could cut him. I'd hope they would have negotiated a deal prior to trading.
Bears trading for another guard.
This time it's Joe Thuney from the Chefs for a 4th round pick.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 05, 2025, 09:30:27 AMBears trading for another guard.
This time it's Joe Thuney from the Chefs for a 4th round pick.
That's a good trade for the Bears. He is older, but that line needs a veteran presense. And he is only under contract for one more season. The Chiefs had his replacement set, which is one of the reasons he was moved to LT - where he was a disaster against the Eagles.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 05, 2025, 09:35:24 AMThat's a good trade for the Bears. He is older, but that line needs a veteran presense. And he is only under contract for one more season. The Chiefs had his replacement set, which is one of the reasons he was moved to LT - where he was a disaster against the Eagles.
I suppose it is decent in light of the fact that decent OL players don't hit FA so trades are the only option. Hate giving up draft capital when the Bears need more than just a better O-Line. I think the two trades opens up the option with going with a D-Lineman in the 1st round.
EDIT - I see it is a 2026 4th round pick that makes it a little better, plus the Bears will be picking 32nd each round in next years draft. (LOL)
(I give the Bears credit for at least trying to win as opposed to the Bulls and White Sox.)
Johnson watched Detroit get better by building up the lines and balancing the offense.
Jackson + Thuney for 4th/6th are good moves for this team without giving up too much.
Especially considering the amount of cap space and 3 top 40 picks.
I don't personally expect Super Bowl next season, so good opportunities to make the team better in the short and long term with these moves.
I would now expect them to go BPA/d-line with the 3 picks
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 05, 2025, 10:56:53 AMJackson + Thuney for 4th/6th are good moves for this team without giving up too much.
Especially considering the amount of cap space and 3 top 40 picks.
I don't personally expect Super Bowl next season, so good opportunities to make the team better in the short and long term with these moves.
I would now expect them to go BPA/d-line with the 3 picks
As much as I like to rag on the Bears (it's so easy) - these were both good moves. Thuney is still close to the top of his game. Jackson's a little more iffy, but a good guy to take a chance on for that cost. They have the money for the next few years, so use it where it helps the most.
Will the Bears bring their offseason championship trophy with them to Green Bay for the draft?
For the record I like both of these moves for them (especially Thuney)
Bears got fleeced
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2025, 12:54:19 PMBears got fleeced
Don't worry. The NFL will step in and void the trades.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 05, 2025, 01:34:19 PMDon't worry. The NFL will step in and void the trades.
The NFL hates the Bears. Its a well known fact. They're still not over the "Rozelle" headband.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 05, 2025, 01:40:44 PMThe NFL hates the Bears. Its a well known fact. They're still not over the "Rozelle" headband.
;D
The NFL's Hiroshima
Pretty happy with the two trades for the Bears, especially Thuney.
Cost them minimal draft capital and they have more than enough cap space. Once Trey Smith was franchised the options in free agency were mediocre. If either guy doesn't work out there is no longer term cap issues if they move.
Also adds a ton of flexibility in their approach to free agency and the draft.
Maxx Crosby is now the league's highest-paid non-QB.
At least until Micah Parsons signs his next contract.
Aidan Hutchinson is pleased.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 05, 2025, 12:07:46 PMWill the Bears bring their offseason championship trophy with them to Green Bay for the draft?
For the record I like both of these moves for them (especially Thuney)
It is an unimpressive trophy compared to the "it took a blocked field goal to beat a laughingstock team 1 of 2 times"
DK Metcalf asks for a trade. Seahawks taking offers.
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2025, 05:26:16 PMDK Metcalf asks for a trade. Seahawks taking offers.
The Packers should be interested, right?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 05, 2025, 07:41:55 PMThe Packers should be interested, right?
Imagine his old coach might be interested in bringing him to Vegas.
They have no one to throw the ball, but Metcalf-Meyers-Bowers would be a pretty fun trio.
The player the Packers should trade assets for is Trey Hendrickson, not Metcalfe.
They need an alpha at WR but give me a dude who sacks the QB
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2025, 05:07:28 PMThe player the Packers should trade assets for is Trey Hendrickson, not Metcalfe.
They need an alpha at WR but give me a dude who sacks the QB
I hope the Bears are very much in on Hendrickson. I love that dude, that Week 18 game against Pittsburgh, he was a one man wrecking crew.
He's a young 30 (won't turn 31 until December), been remarkably healthy, and I think a 4 year deal (guaranteed money for 3 years) will end up being a good deal for a team with future cap space flexibility.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2025, 05:07:28 PMThe player the Packers should trade assets for is Trey Hendrickson, not Metcalfe.
They need an alpha at WR but give me a dude who sacks the QB
He's great. But I will be floored if Metcalf fetches even close to the same amount of capital...If either is even really available.
Trading Hendrickson would be something given how barren that defense is already.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 06, 2025, 08:41:41 PMHe's great. But I will be floored if Metcalf fetches even close to the same amount of capital...If either is even really available.
Trading Hendrickson would be something given how barren that defense is already.
It's the Bengals
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 07:09:31 AMIt's the Bengals
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/77/9e/00779e5a7ed256a2318809b73a3cbcfc.gif)
Lions re-sign Barnes. If they stay healthy, Barnes, Campbell, and Anzalone are a solid LB trio.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 07:09:31 AMIt's the Bengals
What will it take?
I don't think the Bengals will feet a 1st in the deal. Would you give a 2nd this year, a 3rd next year and LVN?
Quote from: Jockey on March 07, 2025, 11:32:01 AMWhat will it take?
I don't think the Bengals will feet a 1st in the deal. Would you give a 2nd this year, a 3rd next year and LVN?
He'll be a popular target because it's doubtful Cincinnati cuts him, so you'll have to pony up. If all it costs is a 3rd and LVN, it's a fireable offense not to make the deal
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 12:00:34 PMHe'll be a popular target because it's doubtful Cincinnati cuts him, so you'll have to pony up. If all it costs is a 3rd and LVN, it's a fireable offense not to make the deal
If things worked like the NBA, the Packers might have to give up a 3rd just to get someone to take LVN.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 12:00:34 PMHe'll be a popular target because it's doubtful Cincinnati cuts him, so you'll have to pony up. If all it costs is a 3rd and LVN, it's a fireable offense not to make the deal
The pony-ing up will be giving him a 3-year, $80m+ extension.
Geno Smith to the Raiders for a 3rd.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 07, 2025, 06:16:10 PMGeno Smith to the Raiders for a 3rd.
What on earth are the Seahawks doing
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 07, 2025, 06:41:27 PMWhat on earth are the Seahawks doing
My guess is that they are targeting Darnold. Quite a few years younger. And a 3rd for Geno is a pretty good deal.
Quote from: Jockey on March 07, 2025, 07:02:37 PMMy guess is that they are targeting Darnold. Quite a few years younger. And a 3rd for Geno is a pretty good deal.
Darnold behind that line will not just be seeing ghosts but will be turning into one
Gotta admit this one surprised me. Geno has weaknesses but he's been a legit NFL QB for years. Darnold sure as shyte can't say that ... and now he's about to get handed a sh!t-ton of money to go along with responsibility he hasn't shown he can handle.
Then again, it's scary if the Seahawks don't get him, too. There ain't nothing else out there.
I might be a Seahawks fan from afar
Close the book on Darnold for me!!1
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 07, 2025, 06:41:27 PMWhat on earth are the Seahawks doing
Isn't Pete Carroll the one who turned him into a legit starting QB?
https://x.com/WillKunkelFOX/status/1898383018735067200
The chiefs way
Rig games for them while they assault people on the side
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 08, 2025, 10:37:15 AMThe chiefs way
Rig games for them while they assault people on the side
Chiefs heading into 2025 with their top two WRs facing jail time (and potentially long suspensions).
I will laugh if AR ends up a Viking.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 08:55:47 AMLions re-sign Barnes. If they stay healthy, Barnes, Campbell, and Anzalone are a solid LB trio.
Bringing Davenport back on a heavily incentived 1 year deal. So injury prone.
Myles Garrett gets a new deal.
Maxx Crosby's reign as the highest paid non-QB lasted a glorious four days.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44178418/sources-myles-garrett-browns-agree-record-contract-extension
Quote from: Pakuni on March 09, 2025, 11:03:54 AMMyles Garrett gets a new deal.
Maxx Crosby's reign as the highest paid non-QB lasted a glorious four days.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44178418/sources-myles-garrett-browns-agree-record-contract-extension
Well, Myles did say he wanted to win.
The Cowboys not locking up Parsons early, like the Bengals and Chase, is looking pretty foolish.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 09, 2025, 11:57:07 AMThe Cowboys not locking up Parsons early, like the Bengals and Chase, is looking pretty foolish.
Well, I wouldn't say they've been great in recent years in handling resigning their stars.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 09, 2025, 11:57:07 AMThe Cowboys not locking up Parsons early, like the Bengals and Chase, is looking pretty foolish.
This is what poorly run teams do. Price only goes up.
Now, that being said, the Browns have been successful at pissing off 31 other teams through market-resetting deals. They summarily ignored the Watson deal as the new standard (fully guaranteed) but will have a harder time ignoring this one. Will cost a lot of extra money for Parsons.
New contract for Trey Hendrickson goes up.
Cincy's return for him goes down. May not get a 1st back for him.
Aaron Jones staying in Minnesota.
Za'darius Smith is available.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 09, 2025, 03:54:18 PMAaron Jones staying in Minnesota.
Good for him. Rare move that worked out for everyone. I don't think Jones is as good for the Packers behind a bad run-blocking line
Devante Adams headed to the rams
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 09, 2025, 06:13:35 PMDevante Adams headed to the rams
That was nonsense the talk of him returning to GB. We don't need a guy entering his 33 year old season as our #1 WR, even #2. Plus the Packers do not bring back aging veterans. Never been their MO.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 09, 2025, 06:23:24 PMThat was nonsense the talk of him returning to GB. We don't need a guy entering his 33 year old season as our #1 WR, even #2. Plus the Packers do not bring back aging veterans. Never been their MO.
It wasn't, but he's still a very good option and a man coverage beater they desperately need. He'll be a great fit for what the Rams need as well.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 09, 2025, 06:33:54 PMIt wasn't, but he's still a very good option and a man coverage beater they desperately need. He'll be a great fit for what the Rams need as well.
Just wait until the youngsters blossom
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2025, 06:35:06 PMJust wait until the youngsters blossom
5 years to judge
DK Metcalf going to be traded to the Steelers.
Who throws him the ball?
Sell the team packers shareholders
Quote from: The Sultan on March 09, 2025, 06:50:35 PMDK Metcalf going to be traded to the Steelers.
Last player left in Seattle, please turn out the lights!
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 09, 2025, 06:53:41 PMSell the team packers shareholders
Is Jeff Janis still available?
Quote from: tower912 on March 09, 2025, 06:51:04 PMWho throws him the ball?
They're giving DK $30 million/year, which makes me think they expect to go cheap on QB. Running it back with Fields or Russ seems mostly likely. Would they give up more draft capital to move up for Sanders?
QB no matta
Quote from: MU82 on March 09, 2025, 08:26:40 PMQB no matta
"QBs? We don't need no stinkin QBs!"
I thought they were settling for a darn old retread.
I hope Drew Dalman signs anywhere but Chicago. Bears fans/Bears twitter will have you believe he's the second coming of Mike Webster.
Overpaying a lot to a mediocre player like Dalman is how you stay bad as an organization.
According to the reporting, Packers never made an offer to Adams or for DK. Not good.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 09, 2025, 10:35:24 PMAccording to the reporting, Packers never made an offer to Adams or for DK. Not good.
Packers were never paying a receiver DK's contract.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 03:45:00 AMPackers were never paying a receiver DK's contract.
Packers wideouts sure better take a big leap next year
A Lambeau leap?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 03:45:00 AMPackers were never paying a receiver DK's contract.
Not surprised either with that price tag, but the margins to improve at that spot are now very slim
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2025, 06:45:09 AMPackers wideouts sure better take a big leap next year
Yes.
However my larger concern is an edge rusher. If the plan was to go all in for a guy like Hendrickson, I'm cool with that.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 08:04:02 AMYes.
However my larger concern is an edge rusher. If the plan was to go all in for a guy like Hendrickson, I'm cool with that.
Likewise. I don't think they will, though. This draft isn't good enough to fill needs and get impact players. This is one to be willing to give up picks.
If they don't do something significant to improve the defense this year via free agency or trades, and simply stand pat and draft away, I hope the change in the President role will mean a harder look at what the GM is doing. They have dug themselves out of a bad cap situation, locked up their offense for awhile, but are woefully inadequate on the defensive line right now. To take a leap they need to take some chances.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2025, 08:05:36 AMLikewise. I don't think they will, though. This draft isn't good enough to fill needs and get impact players. This is one to be willing to give up picks.
The consensus on this draft is that there are just a handful of potentially elite players and after that, there's not a ton of space between guy #10 and guy #50.
Bad year to be picking in the teens and early 20s.
Panthers making Jaycee Horn the highest-paid CB in the league.
Not bad for a guy who's missed nearly as many games (31) as he's played (37) in his career.
Quote from: Dish on March 09, 2025, 09:09:26 PMI hope Drew Dalman signs anywhere but Chicago. Bears fans/Bears twitter will have you believe he's the second coming of Mike Webster.
Overpaying a lot to a mediocre player like Dalman is how you stay bad as an organization.
Welp.
Caleb's rookie contract gives margin for error for less than optimal contracts. Even the line graduating to 'meh' is a whole standard deviation from last year.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 10, 2025, 11:40:08 AMCaleb's rookie contract gives margin for error for less than optimal contracts. Even the line graduating to 'meh' is a whole standard deviation from last year.
An improved offensive line isn't going to fix this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1ho9kxw/nfl_teams_by_sacks_attributed_to_the_qb_vs_the_ol/#lightbox
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 11:42:36 AMAn improved offensive line isn't going to fix this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1ho9kxw/nfl_teams_by_sacks_attributed_to_the_qb_vs_the_ol/#lightbox
No, but a better coach can.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 11:42:36 AMAn improved offensive line isn't going to fix this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1ho9kxw/nfl_teams_by_sacks_attributed_to_the_qb_vs_the_ol/#lightbox
No it won't. Johnson is going to have to re-wire Caleb in that respect. But you do that by providing outlets for him where he can trust the system a bit. I thought that improved when Thomas Brown took over, and would expect a huge jump under Johnson.
Free agency is not a perfect allocation of resources but I'd be pleased if I'm a bears fan.
Sigh.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 10, 2025, 11:40:08 AMCaleb's rookie contract gives margin for error for less than optimal contracts. Even the line graduating to 'meh' is a whole standard deviation from last year.
I agree with this. I complained / observed last season that the Bears would be a pretty good team is they could just get pedestrian O-line play.
Dalman is an overpay like Sweat, but I am in favor of this directionally. And, to make the most obvious statement in the world, they need to draft well to set themselves up when/if they have to pay Williams.
Dan Moore, $50M guaranteed!!!
Insane.
Quote from: Dish on March 10, 2025, 12:03:07 PMDan Moore, $50M guaranteed!!!
Insane.
This, on the other hand, is nuts. As is the bag that Kinlaw got from the Commanders
Quote from: Dish on March 10, 2025, 12:03:07 PMDan Moore, $50M guaranteed!!!
Insane.
I was just about to post this as our early leader for worst FA signing of the cycle.
The fact a OL-deficient team like the Steelers were happy to let Moore walk should tell you everything.
Watching these CB deals roll in, if I'm GB I'm sitting on Jaire for awhile. No rush...
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 11:42:36 AMAn improved offensive line isn't going to fix this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1ho9kxw/nfl_teams_by_sacks_attributed_to_the_qb_vs_the_ol/#lightbox
If this chart is accurate, Williams percentage of total sacks he is responsible for isn't great but better than Stroud, Stafford, Darnold, Herbert, Geno Smith?
Getting sacked a whole bunch increases the nominal total sure but the % isn't that much an outlier.
Lions add DJ Reed, lose Carlton Davis.
Darnold is a Seahawk.
Hope he got the bag, because I can't imagine any other reason he would go there.
Update: 3 years, $110 million ($55 million guaranteed).
Have to admit, with some of the crazy contracts being thrown around today, that's less than I expected for Darnold. That said, I'm not convinced he isn't a one-year wonder that fell into an ideal situation last year.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 01:25:08 PMDarnold is a Seahawk.
Hope he got the bag, because I can't imagine any other reason he would go there.
Update: 3 years, $110 million ($55 million guaranteed).
Have to admit, with some of the crazy contracts being thrown around today, that's less than I expected for Darnold. That said, I'm not convinced he isn't a one-year wonder that fell into an ideal situation last year.
Since the NY teams were not an option, the market seems like the Seahawks and Steelers. Not all that robust.
Twitter was down today? Hahahahahahaha
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 01:25:08 PMDarnold is a Seahawk.
Hope he got the bag, because I can't imagine any other reason he would go there.
Update: 3 years, $110 million ($55 million guaranteed).
Have to admit, with some of the crazy contracts being thrown around today, that's less than I expected for Darnold. That said, I'm not convinced he isn't a one-year wonder that fell into an ideal situation last year.
I'm seeing 3 years, $100.5 million in multiple places (NFL.com, Yahoo, ESPN). The ESPN blurb when googling says $110M, but the headline and article say $100.5. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44194464/sam-darnold-seahawks-3-year-1005m-deal-sources-say
I'm actually relieved that the contract wasn't worse, because I was reading reports over the weekend of possibly $40M+ per year, with up to $75M guaranteed ... so this was practically a bargain. I'm quite sure the Seahawks would have had to pay Geno more than they'll be paying Darnold.
I still wouldn't be surprised to see the Panthers take a flier on a QB on Day 2 of the draft with one of their extra picks so he could develop while Darnold plays. I've seen Milroe mentioned in The Athletic.
I was among the bazillions critical of Darnold's play at the end of last season - I mean, how could anybody not be? I'm an optimistic kind of guy, but this is a big "we'll see" for me. The Seahawks don't have the best OL in the world, and their WR corps has gone from one of the NFL's best to definitely not that. Darnold ain't gonna be able to just heave it up to JJ anymore.
2/40 with 30 guaranteed for Fields to the Jets
Josh Sweat to the Cardinals, Milton Williams to the Pats.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 09:37:42 AMPanthers making Jaycee Horn the highest-paid CB in the league.
Not bad for a guy who's missed nearly as many games (31) as he's played (37) in his career.
Horn obviously shouldn't be the best-paid CB, but he is a real good player.
More importantly for him, he picked a good season to stay mostly healthy (15 starts) - right as the Panthers had to decide whether to pay him the big bucks or move on from him.
Bears sign Grady Jarrett.
Very good pickup if he has something left in the tank.
Aaron Banks to the Packers per reports
4 years $77M
TJ Slaton to the Bengals, 2 years $15.1M
Going to have to see the guaranteed money for Banks, because that 4/77 is a lot for a decent guard.
Laremy Tunsil being dealt to the Commanders for picks.
Packers sign a nickel CB. Raiders Nate Hobbs 4/$48. I got nothing here - any AFC West people have opinions?
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 10, 2025, 04:03:09 PMPackers sign a nickel CB. Raiders Nate Hobbs 4/$48. I got nothing here - any AFC West people have opinions?
Raiders fan here.
Love, love, love Nate Hobbs. Borderline elite-level slot corner when healthy. Problem is, he plays a style that often gets him hurt, causing him to miss 14 games the past three years and be pretty hobbled for many more.
When he's healthy and on the field, you're going to like him a lot. But a bit of a gamble given his injury history.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 10, 2025, 01:55:39 PM2/40 with 30 guaranteed for Fields to the Jets
It's good, nay - very good, to be an NFL QB.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 04:06:21 PMRaiders fan here.
Love, love, love Nate Hobbs. Borderline elite-level slot corner when healthy. Problem is, he plays a style that often gets him hurt, causing him to miss 14 games the past three years and be pretty hobbled for many more.
When he's healthy and on the field, you're going to like him a lot. But a bit of a gamble given his injury history.
Can he and Ja sync their injuries to create one complete corner?
Packers did fine today. Off-season still hinges on finding another edge player
Lions exchange Carlton Davis for DJ Reed at CB1. About even. The market and mark up for edges is nuts.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2025, 04:42:30 PMPackers did fine today. Off-season still hinges on finding another edge player
This. I hope they go after Chase Young but have a feeling his market is going to go bonkers (like 15M per)
How can the saints keep funding a team with that cap situation
A lot of Bears fans confusing activity as accomplishment today.
The Jeanty at #10 talk is ridiculous. If he's there when they pick, it'll be Tyler Warren.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 10, 2025, 08:20:27 PMHow can the saints keep funding a team with that cap situation
It's not like they've been successful
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 08:36:28 PMIt's not like they've been successful
Successful in retaining players I'd like to be available :)
Quote from: Dish on March 10, 2025, 08:35:54 PMA lot of Bears fans confusing activity as accomplishment today.
The Jeanty at #10 talk is ridiculous. If he's there when they pick, it'll be Tyler Warren.
You hated all the moves?
Quote from: JWags85 on March 10, 2025, 09:38:37 PMYou hated all the moves?
I think they did alright. Poles will get credit/blame, but make no mistake, these are guys that Ben Johnson wanted.
So now, they can go one of 3 ways at the top of the draft - RB, TE, or Edge. We know Ben likes a good running game, but this is one of the better RB classes in a while so I'll be a bit surprised if he goes for Jeanty in the 1st round.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 10, 2025, 09:38:37 PMYou hated all the moves?
They're marginally better today, but a lot of Bears fans are head over heels with these moves. Applauding Poles for "fixing" previous neglect is silly.
Dalman is fine. People freaking out that the Bears signed "the best center available" is misguided. They're paying him as the second highest paid center in the league. Good for Dalman hitting FA at the right time, but they're paying top dollar for a good run blocker, mediocre pass blocker.
I don't understand giving Jarrett two guaranteed years at that amount for a 32 year old tackle. Analytically, he is as middle of the road as it gets currently, and 2024 was the worst year of his career. Is he going to get revitalized playing most of his games outdoors on grass now?
Odeyingbo is a scratch off lottery ticket. Wait to see.
They still have the worst roster in the division, and lack blue chip talent. I realize there wasn't blue chip level free agents available today, but these moves are...fine.
The Athletic, which graded all the FA deals around the NFL, likes Dalman more than you do, Dish.
C Drew Dalman to sign with Bears
Top 150 ranking: No. 15
Reported deal: Three years, $42 million
Grade: A
The signing of Dalman, formerly of the Falcons, gives the Bears a versatile, well-rounded center capable of fitting into any blocking scheme necessary. Dalman missed eight games with an ankle injury, but in the nine he did play in, he allowed a total of only 10 pressures and no sacks. Chicago has made upgrading Caleb Williams' line a high priority this offseason and Dalman is the latest piece to the puzzle.
The Bear fans are well on their way to winning another off-season Super Bowl. How many consecutive is that now?
Quote from: Dish on March 10, 2025, 11:26:13 PMThey're marginally better today, but a lot of Bears fans are head over heels with these moves. Applauding Poles for "fixing" previous neglect is silly.
Dalman is fine. People freaking out that the Bears signed "the best center available" is misguided. They're paying him as the second highest paid center in the league. Good for Dalman hitting FA at the right time, but they're paying top dollar for a good run blocker, mediocre pass blocker.
I don't understand giving Jarrett two guaranteed years at that amount for a 32 year old tackle. Analytically, he is as middle of the road as it gets currently, and 2024 was the worst year of his career. Is he going to get revitalized playing most of his games outdoors on grass now?
Odeyingbo is a scratch off lottery ticket. Wait to see.
They still have the worst roster in the division, and lack blue chip talent. I realize there wasn't blue chip level free agents available today, but these moves are...fine.
I generally agree with all of this. I think your point about the quality of FAs available is true. I'd say given the potential of being able to improve a team via FA, the Bears did well and didn't lock themselves into long term big dollars. It terms of improving compared to the division or NFL, they did "fine" is accurate.
Hopefully they made a major upgrade at HC and the staff, marginal improvements via FA and trades and can add quality in the draft that adds up to a material improvement on the field.
Quote from: Dish on March 10, 2025, 11:26:13 PMThey're marginally better today, but a lot of Bears fans are head over heels with these moves. Applauding Poles for "fixing" previous neglect is silly.
Dalman is fine. People freaking out that the Bears signed "the best center available" is misguided. They're paying him as the second highest paid center in the league. Good for Dalman hitting FA at the right time, but they're paying top dollar for a good run blocker, mediocre pass blocker.
I don't understand giving Jarrett two guaranteed years at that amount for a 32 year old tackle. Analytically, he is as middle of the road as it gets currently, and 2024 was the worst year of his career. Is he going to get revitalized playing most of his games outdoors on grass now?
Odeyingbo is a scratch off lottery ticket. Wait to see.
They still have the worst roster in the division, and lack blue chip talent. I realize there wasn't blue chip level free agents available today, but these moves are...fine.
I'd argue people are excited because they are doing what they have been supposed to do for a while, but have not.
That combined with new staff means people can be optimistic of the returns even if it is correcting past negligence.
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2025, 07:11:17 AMThe Athletic, which graded all the FA deals around the NFL, likes Dalman more than you do, Dish.
C Drew Dalman to sign with Bears
Top 150 ranking: No. 15
Reported deal: Three years, $42 million
Grade: A
The signing of Dalman, formerly of the Falcons, gives the Bears a versatile, well-rounded center capable of fitting into any blocking scheme necessary. Dalman missed eight games with an ankle injury, but in the nine he did play in, he allowed a total of only 10 pressures and no sacks. Chicago has made upgrading Caleb Williams' line a high priority this offseason and Dalman is the latest piece to the puzzle.
The Athletic writer Mike Jones gave out almost all A's and B's, there was zero substance in that article.
All the analytic guys (PFF, Barnwell, Solak, Walder) are almost unanimously questioning why the Bears signed who they signed (or traded for) at the prices that they did (Thuney being the exception).
Quote from: Dish on March 12, 2025, 07:13:20 PMThe Athletic writer Mike Jones gave out almost all A's and B's, there was zero substance in that article.
All the analytic guys (PFF, Barnwell, Solak, Walder) are almost unanimously questioning why the Bears signed who they signed (or traded for) at the prices that they did (Thuney being the exception).
Yeah, I question some of their grades, too.
They rated Darnold the #4 player available and by far the best QB available. Seattle beat several other suitors to sign him to a team-friendly contract ... and The Athletic gave it a C grade.
I mean, I'm not sure this will be good for the Seahawks, but The Athletic might want to pay attention to The Athletic.
Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2025, 01:16:35 AMYeah, I question some of their grades, too.
They rated Darnold the #4 player available and by far the best QB available. Seattle beat several other suitors to sign him to a team-friendly contract ... and The Athletic gave it a C grade.
I mean, I'm not sure this will be good for the Seahawks, but The Athletic might want to pay attention to The Athletic.
Might be using the Scoop Non-conference grading scale.
Detroit signing Lopez from Ari is a nice DL depth move. Re-signing Onwuzurike at $5 mil for one year is a steal. McNeill's recovery from knee surgery is a wild card. Detroit is basically saying that they believe the defense they started last season with is good enough to win it all. If they can avoid the endless injuries.
Also, I think they believe Mahogany is able to replace Zeitler at guard.
Rolling with continuity and culture is a bold move.
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2025, 07:47:44 AMAlso, I think they believe Mahogany is able to replace Zeitler at guard.
You wood.
FWIW ... I liked Detroit's moves, too. They're an excellent team. Running it back (mostly) was the logical course.
Quote from: MU82 on March 14, 2025, 11:36:36 AMYou wood.
FWIW ... I liked Detroit's moves, too. They're an excellent team. Running it back (mostly) was the logical course.
Well played.
This Vikings offseason is niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
Gotta just pray JJ is ready
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 08:21:22 PMThis Vikings offseason is niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
Gotta just pray JJ is ready
You're THAT happy to get rid of Darnold?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 08:21:22 PMThis Vikings offseason is niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
Gotta just pray JJ is ready
LOL, they don't have a quarterback.
Quote from: MU82 on March 15, 2025, 08:28:52 PMYou're THAT happy to get rid of Darnold?
That.
Plus every FA signing and I love the Mason trade too.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 15, 2025, 08:31:56 PMLOL, they don't have a quarterback.
Didn't last year either.
The NFC North is going to be even more of a slog this year
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 15, 2025, 09:53:02 PMThe NFC North is going to be even more of a slog this year
Just to go 0-3 in the Playoffs again.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 09:45:02 PMDidn't last year either.
All they have at the games most important position is a guy who has yet to play in the NFL at one of the hardest positions in sports where just about everyone struggles early on. No one except a Vikings fan would feel good about next year with that situation.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 15, 2025, 11:43:15 PMAll they have at the games most important position is a guy who has yet to play in the NFL at one of the hardest positions in sports where just about everyone struggles early on. No one except a Vikings fan would feel good about next year with that situation.
On the other hand, many had the Bears making the playoffs last year, so much so that the odds were -120 in July.
And Williams had an objectively worse roster around him heading into 2024, and far worse coaching staff, than McCarthy has heading into 2025.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 09:45:02 PMDidn't last year either.
If you mean that, going into last season, it didn't appear that the Vikings had a viable QB, I'm with you.
If you mean that, when the games mattered most, Darnold was a major negative, I'm with you.
But if you're trying to rewrite history and say that, for the vast majority of the season, Darnold wasn't a very good QB, that's just silly.
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2025, 11:08:53 AMIf you mean that, going into last season, it didn't appear that the Vikings had a viable QB, I'm with you.
If you mean that, when the games mattered most, Darnold was a major negative, I'm with you.
But if you're trying to rewrite history and say that, for the vast majority of the season, Darnold wasn't a very good QB, that's just silly.
I think he means the first. But the problem with running a pass-oriented offense with a quarterback like Darnold is that eventually the mistakes will emerge when it matters most. So you just can't throw anyone into that role and hope it works.
JJ could be way better than we think and be a star. Or Aaron Rodgers could agree to cause no ruffles and run the offense they have and it may work. So I'm not saying it's hopeless, but this is a powerful offense that seemingly doesn't have the quarterback to run it.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2025, 11:21:18 AMI think he means the first. But the problem with running a pass-oriented offense with a quarterback like Darnold is that eventually the mistakes will emerge when it matters most. So you just can't throw anyone into that role and hope it works.
JJ could be way better than we think and be a star. Or Aaron Rodgers could agree to cause no ruffles and run the offense they have and it may work. So I'm not saying it's hopeless, but this is a powerful offense that seemingly doesn't have the quarterback to run it.
The day Rodgers runs an offense in a way be doesn't want to run it will be the first. The closest we've seen is his first MVP season under MLF
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 16, 2025, 01:51:42 PMThe day Rodgers runs an offense in a way be doesn't want to run it will be the first. The closest we've seen is his first MVP season under MLF
I don't disagree.
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2025, 11:08:53 AMIf you mean that, going into last season, it didn't appear that the Vikings had a viable QB, I'm with you.
If you mean that, when the games mattered most, Darnold was a major negative, I'm with you.
But if you're trying to rewrite history and say that, for the vast majority of the season, Darnold wasn't a very good QB, that's just silly.
As sultan said it's from an objective standpoint the 1st option.
But it's also a mix of all 3. I'm a firm believer that while KOC had some odd game plan/coaching the final few games. That overall he's an excellent offensive strategist and mostly anyone can work with this unit.
So i feel good about McCarthy.
Also, probably wasn't clear but the main reason I absolutely love the Vikes off-season is everything around the QB. JJ could flop and the season be a disaster. But imo we've added everyone we needed to and got much better. Which is another huge reason I didn't want Darnold back. The cost.
There wasn't a true no brainer QB upgrade out there/possible. So that part I can't judge for FA as is.
Last note, I should say. As sick as it is to type, I'm one of the few Vikes fans that would be very open to giving Rodgers a go.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 16, 2025, 03:27:24 PMAs sultan said it's from an objective standpoint the 1st option.
But it's also a mix of all 3. I'm a firm believer that while KOC had some odd game plan/coaching the final few games. That overall he's an excellent offensive strategist and mostly anyone can work with this unit.
So i feel good about McCarthy.
Also, probably wasn't clear but the main reason I absolutely love the Vikes off-season is everything around the QB. JJ could flop and the season be a disaster. But imo we've added everyone we needed to and got much better. Which is another huge reason I didn't want Darnold back. The cost.
There wasn't a true no brainer QB upgrade out there/possible. So that part I can't judge for FA as is.
Last note, I should say. As sick as it is to type, I'm one of the few Vikes fans that would be very open to giving Rodgers a go.
Thanks for the explanation.
https://x.com/Schultz_Report/status/1901466892184740072
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2025, 10:02:03 PMhttps://x.com/Schultz_Report/status/1901466892184740072
Trade me Trey plz
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2025, 10:02:03 PMhttps://x.com/Schultz_Report/status/1901466892184740072
Did Mike Brown secretly die and someone else took over the franchise?
Also, he's good, but doesn't that seem like a pretty big overpay for Higgins?
Quote from: JWags85 on March 17, 2025, 12:04:32 PMDid Mike Brown secretly die and someone else took over the franchise?
Also, he's good, but doesn't that seem like a pretty big overpay for Higgins?
It feels like a lot of money tied up in receivers in general.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 17, 2025, 12:06:41 PMIt feels like a lot of money tied up in receivers in general.
The Bengals really got themselves in a tough spot. Their success is so dependent on their QB and receivers, and at this point, you're not finding defensive difference makers on the market if you were to forego paying Higgins.
Their best bet is basically striking gold drafting defense.
What I really don't get is all the money for Gesicki. He was fine, I guess. But $12M this year for a middle of the road receiving TE seems like a want when there are glaring needs all over that roster.
The Lions clearly believe their defense last season was good enough to win it all, as they keep re-signing players from last season.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2025, 04:58:58 PMThe Lions clearly believe their defense last season was good enough to win it all, as they keep re-signing players from last season.
For how many starts they lost to injury at the end of the year, I wouldn't bet against them. Nominally better health and progression from their young secondary...it's a dangerous team
It is. As Holmes.said in his end of the year presser, nobody game plans for their 8th string defensive end. I think they need some depth at safety.
Packers signing Mecole Hardman
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Appears the Vikings are not pursuing Aaron Rodgers. Sad!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2025, 08:22:36 AMAppears the Vikings are not pursuing Aaron Rodgers. Sad!
Loser franchises keep making loser decisions.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 17, 2025, 12:04:32 PMDid Mike Brown secretly die and someone else took over the franchise?
Also, he's good, but doesn't that seem like a pretty big overpay for Higgins?
That Higgins deal is awful for Cincinnati.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 19, 2025, 08:23:55 AMLoser franchises keep making loser decisions.
I think the loser decision would have been to sign Rodgers.
From The Athletic:
Three years of Brock Purdy cost the 49ers less ($2.6 million) than Deshaun Watson costs the Browns per game spent on the bench ($2.7 million).
Quote from: MU82 on March 19, 2025, 12:08:32 PMFrom The Athletic:
Three years of Brock Purdy cost the 49ers less ($2.6 million) than Deshaun Watson costs the Browns per game spent on the bench ($2.7 million).
Browns being Browns.
With the Lions signing Rock Ya-Sin and re-signing Khalil Dorsey, I think it is safe to assume that they will not be drafting a corner early. Safety depth, edge rusher, big wide receiver.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 19, 2025, 01:34:14 PMBrowns being Browns.
Obviously the Browns went above and beyond on the Watson contract to the point where Haslam pissed off the other owners, so that was dumb. But a lot of this is also just the economics of rookie vs second contracts for QBs + injury. You could probably say a similar thing about Dak's extension rn. IMHO Purdy is also the most overrated QB in football, so a bit of a personal axe to grind there too.
The Bears' off-season championship has resulted in ESPN moving the Bears power ranking from 22 all the way to ........... 22.
Probably correct. I have a hard time seeing them move out of the NFC North cellar.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 25, 2025, 11:00:55 AMThe Bears' off-season championship has resulted in ESPN moving the Bears power ranking from 22 all the way to ........... 22.
Probably correct. I have a hard time seeing them move out of the NFC North cellar.
Honestly, even if you love the moves, I'd rather this than grand expectations and exclamations of a complete turnaround. Underpromise, overdeliver
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 25, 2025, 11:00:55 AMThe Bears' off-season championship has resulted in ESPN moving the Bears power ranking from 22 all the way to ........... 22.
Probably correct. I have a hard time seeing them move out of the NFC North cellar.
Take heart, last season's ESPN preseason rankings included:
20. LA Chargers
21. Tampa Bay
23. Minnesota
28. Washington
31. Denver
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2025, 11:30:32 AMTake heart, last season's ESPN preseason rankings included:
20. LA Chargers
21. Tampa Bay
23. Minnesota
28. Washington
31. Denver
Thanks for the perspective. And I think we can all agree, sports power rankings are the very definition of 'click bait'.
Russell Wilson to the Giants.
Russell, Jameis and Tommy.
Amazing
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 06:21:30 PMRussell Wilson to the Giants.
Russell, Jameis and Tommy.
Amazing
Per NYC sports radio reports, Giants aren't thrilled with Cam Ward or Shedore Sanders. Would probably choose Ward if available but sounds like Tennessee is definitely picking him.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 25, 2025, 06:29:34 PMPer NYC sports radio reports, Giants aren't thrilled with Cam Ward or Shedore Sanders. Would probably choose Ward if available but sounds like Tennessee is definitely picking him.
Shedeur's landing spots dwindling.
Maybe Jets at 7 or Saints at 9. After that, he could easily slide into the 20s.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 25, 2025, 06:29:34 PMPer NYC sports radio reports, Giants aren't thrilled with Cam Ward or Shedore Sanders. Would probably choose Ward if available but sounds like Tennessee is definitely picking him.
I get it, but, woof city
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 07:14:29 PMI get it, but, woof city
Totally. As dumb as that QB room is though (and it is extremely dumb), its still better than picking Shedeur and then canning Schoen and Daboll after this season and beginning the hellcycle of alternating through QBs and leadership.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 26, 2025, 08:49:26 AMTotally. As dumb as that QB room is though (and it is extremely dumb), its still better than picking Shedeur and then canning Schoen and Daboll after this season and beginning the hellcycle of alternating through QBs and leadership.
Giants are all in for Manning next year?
NFL rules:
1. Tush push stays (for now)
2. Both teams to get the ball in OT
3. Touchbacks moved to the 35-yard line
4. Replay officials can now overturn horse collar, hit on defenseless player, facemask, running into/roughing the kicker and tripping penalties, but can't call them if no flag was thrown.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 11:50:57 AMNFL rules:
1. Tush push stays (for now)
2. Both teams to get the ball in OT
3. Touchbacks moved to the 35-yard line
4. Replay officials can now overturn horse collar, hit on defenseless player, facemask, running into/roughing the kicker and tripping penalties, but can't call them if no flag was thrown.
Given that there were several facemask penalties that were missed in some big games last season, the last one seems to fall a bit short. There's really no reason I can think of that a blatantly missed facemask or horse collar shouldn't be able to be called by a quick-review process.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 11:50:57 AMNFL rules:
1. Tush push stays (for now)
2. Both teams to get the ball in OT
3. Touchbacks moved to the 35-yard line
4. Replay officials can now overturn horse collar, hit on defenseless player, facemask, running into/roughing the kicker and tripping penalties, but can't call them if no flag was thrown.
Will be interested if the OT rule result in more ties. 10 minutes is not a lot for more than 2 drives if both end in TDs
I'm generally in favor of all those rulings.
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 01, 2025, 12:31:01 PMWill be interested if the OT rule result in more ties. 10 minutes is not a lot for more than 2 drives if both end in TDs
I think NFL ties are fine actually?
Curious wby they would move touchbacks to the 35. Wouldn't that encourage teams to kick short and have more returns, thus more injuries?
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 03, 2025, 11:04:14 AMCurious wby they would move touchbacks to the 35. Wouldn't that encourage teams to kick short and have more returns, thus more injuries?
I think they believe that with the new setup, kickoff returns will result in fewer injuries. The days of players sprinting downfield 40 yards and colliding are over.
And they're tired of kickers blasting it through the end zone (64% of kickoffs resulted in touchbacks last year), depriving games of the potential for exciting plays.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 03, 2025, 11:04:14 AMCurious wby they would move touchbacks to the 35. Wouldn't that encourage teams to kick short and have more returns, thus more injuries?
They want more returns. That was the point of changing the kick off to begin with. Theoretically there are less full speed hits between the tacklers and blockers, which is where most of the injuries occurred.
St. Louis Bengals?
Quote from: Dish on April 03, 2025, 11:46:00 AMSt. Louis Bengals?
Now that (stuff) would be funny.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 03, 2025, 11:01:28 AMI think NFL ties are fine actually?
I don't know I have a problem with them. My thoughts might change if you have a team with 2 or 3 in a year (I still think it's exceedingly unlikely). The strategy around who receives the kickoff will be interesting because of that time constraint
Quote from: Dish on April 03, 2025, 11:46:00 AMSt. Louis Bengals?
I could be wrong, but I have my doubts Hamilton County will hold the bag again like they did last time
Quote from: Dish on April 03, 2025, 11:46:00 AMSt. Louis Bengals?
This will really test the limits of how much leverage an NFL team can have over a city. Because if a sad-sack franchise like the Bengals can pull it off...
Quote from: The Sultan on April 03, 2025, 07:09:18 PMThis will really test the limits of how much leverage an NFL team can have over a city. Because if a sad-sack franchise like the Bengals can pull it off...
The county paid for basically all of it in the late 90's.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-stupid-sports-stadium-clause-thats-screwing-you-over/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 03, 2025, 07:20:27 PMThe county paid for basically all of it in the late 90's.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-stupid-sports-stadium-clause-thats-screwing-you-over/
Right. I just get the impression that things may have changed in the meantime...perhaps not.
All things considered the Bengals might be the saddest franchise in the NFL
The Athletic's Dianna Russini thinks the NFL will ban the tush push.
Roger Goodell does not like the play. He thinks it's ugly. He doesn't think it's a football play. ... The fact that this was tabled (at the league meeting) tells me that they're going to ban the tush push. ... They're gonna find a way to get it out of football. ... Some (owners) want to be in line with Roger Goodell. I think some believe it's an ugly play. And I think, whether or not they'll admit it, if you can't beat it, ban it.
Quote from: MU82 on April 04, 2025, 11:57:02 AMThe Athletic's Dianna Russini thinks the NFL will ban the tush push.
Roger Goodell does not like the play. He thinks it's ugly. He doesn't think it's a football play. ... The fact that this was tabled (at the league meeting) tells me that they're going to ban the tush push. ... They're gonna find a way to get it out of football. ... Some (owners) want to be in line with Roger Goodell. I think some believe it's an ugly play. And I think, whether or not they'll admit it, if you can't beat it, ban it.
I don't think she's a very good reporter
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 04, 2025, 12:00:42 PMI don't think she's a very good reporter
Chicks shouldn't be reporting on football anyhow.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 04, 2025, 12:43:58 PMChicks shouldn't be reporting on football anyhow.
Hallelujah, brother
Quote from: MU82 on April 04, 2025, 11:57:02 AMThe Athletic's Dianna Russini thinks the NFL will ban the tush push.
Roger Goodell does not like the play. He thinks it's ugly. He doesn't think it's a football play. ... The fact that this was tabled (at the league meeting) tells me that they're going to ban the tush push. ... They're gonna find a way to get it out of football. ... Some (owners) want to be in line with Roger Goodell. I think some believe it's an ugly play. And I think, whether or not they'll admit it, if you can't beat it, ban it.
The number of times he had to watch his Jets QB run into the ass of his lineman would make me want to ban the play too
George McCaskey is the home plate umpire for my son's freshman baseball game this morning.
Quote from: Dish on April 19, 2025, 11:58:58 AMGeorge McCaskey is the home plate umpire for my son's freshman baseball game this my.
Rally the troops for a "Sell The Team!" chant.
Quote from: Dish on April 19, 2025, 11:58:58 AMGeorge McCaskey is the home plate umpire for my son's freshman baseball game this my.
Scouting for a QB?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 04, 2025, 12:51:40 PMHallelujah, brother
Absolutely. They should be rooting on their men. Short skirts - lotsa cartwheels.
Hooray! Head bashing will be back in vogue this year. The Pope just cut funding for the study of CTE.
If we ignore it, it will go away.
Tucker is 35, was one of the NFL's worst kickers last season, and makes too much money. And the Ravens used a draft pick on a kicker.
Cutting Tucker would make sense even if he didn't have a bunch of sexual misconduct allegations against him.
But those allegations do exist, so moving on had to have been a fairly easy decision ... despite the GM being kind in public and saying how difficult it was.
Quote from: Dish on April 19, 2025, 11:58:58 AMGeorge McCaskey is the home plate umpire for my son's freshman baseball game this morning.
You live in Libertyille?
Derek Carr retiring due to shoulder injury. Do the Saints go after Roger's?
Quote from: MU1in77 on May 10, 2025, 11:49:40 AMDerek Carr retiring due to shoulder injury. Do the Saints go after Roger's?
will anyone care either way?
Quote from: MU1in77 on May 10, 2025, 11:49:40 AMDerek Carr retiring due to shoulder injury. Do the Saints go after Roger's?
Drew Brees is available.
Quote from: MU1in77 on May 10, 2025, 11:49:40 AMDerek Carr retiring due to shoulder injury. Do the Saints go after Roger's?
Go after Roger's what? Roger's shoulder?
In the 70's, it cost six million dollars to transplant something like that.
Imagine it would cost much more now.
Quote from: barfolomew on May 12, 2025, 01:55:26 PMGo after Roger's what? Roger's shoulder?
In the 70's, it cost six million dollars to transplant something like that.
Imagine it would cost much more now.
Forget about the cost, the real problem is that the OSI has already been eliminated.
Boy that bears schedule sure doesn't feel like a last place schedule
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 14, 2025, 06:51:34 PMBoy that bears schedule sure doesn't feel like a last place schedule
2nd hardest in the NFL.
Playing GB, Minnesota, and Detroit 6 times hurts.
The eight hardest schedules are all in the NFC North and East.
The NFC North proved their mettle in the post-season
Might just be my opinion, but the Sunday Night Football schedule is pretty poor.
Quote from: Dish on May 14, 2025, 08:49:47 PMMight just be my opinion, but the Sunday Night Football schedule is pretty poor.
I didn't think it was great last year either. Is this because they are tying to keep ESPN happy by pushing better games to Monday?
Carl Williams makes Lavar Ball seem almost reasonable.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2025, 03:11:43 PMCarl Williams makes Lavar Ball seem almost reasonable.
There is nothing unreasonable about not wanting your quarterback kid getting drafted by the Bears.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 15, 2025, 03:54:43 PMThere is nothing unreasonable about not wanting your quarterback kid getting drafted by the Bears.
If it were only just that, you'd have a point.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2025, 03:11:43 PMCarl Williams makes Lavar Ball seem almost reasonable.
I don't blame Carl one bit, I respect he was looking to maximize his son's earning potential. He and Caleb were right to think that way, based on everything the Bears did (or didn't do). The most damning part of the article was Caleb admitting to his dad that no one in the building watched (or taught to watch) film with him.
They had no structure or culture in place for a QB to come in and be successful. Carl Williams certainly did his homework and due diligence.
Quote from: Dish on May 15, 2025, 04:33:38 PMI don't blame Carl one bit, I respect he was looking to maximize his son's earning potential. He and Caleb were right to think that way, based on everything the Bears did (or didn't do). The most damning part of the article was Caleb admitting to his dad that no one in the building watched (or taught to watch) film with him.
They had no structure or culture in place for a QB to come in and be successful. Carl Williams certainly did his homework and due diligence.
Skepticism about the Bears seems reasonable.
Wanting his kid to play in the UFL for a year in hopes it would be a workaround the NFL draft (it wouldn't)? Claiming the rookie salary cap is unconstitutional (it isn't)? Trashing the city of Chicago - not the Bears, the city - in hopes it would convince the Bears to pass on him (it wouldn't)?
Nutty.
Quote from: Dish on May 15, 2025, 04:33:38 PMI don't blame Carl one bit, I respect he was looking to maximize his son's earning potential. He and Caleb were right to think that way, based on everything the Bears did (or didn't do). The most damning part of the article was Caleb admitting to his dad that no one in the building watched (or taught to watch) film with him.
They had no structure or culture in place for a QB to come in and be successful. Carl Williams certainly did his homework and due diligence.
Where's Poles or ownership in all this?
Seems like a gaping hole.
Then there's the rumors of Ben wanting the job last year, but they chose to keep ebeflus? Wtf
Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2025, 06:14:00 PMSkepticism about the Bears seems reasonable.
Wanting his kid to play in the UFL for a year in hopes it would be a workaround the NFL draft (it wouldn't)? Claiming the rookie salary cap is unconstitutional (it isn't)? Trashing the city of Chicago - not the Bears, the city - in hopes it would convince the Bears to pass on him (it wouldn't)?
Nutty.
But if he didn't, he wouldn't be trying to maximize his son's earning potential. ;)
Quote from: jesmu84 on May 15, 2025, 06:42:07 PMWhere's Poles or ownership in all this?
Seems like a gaping hole.
Then there's the rumors of Ben wanting the job last year, but they chose to keep ebeflus? Wtf
100% agree. Shocking failure of leadership. Also amazing there are no other players coming forward... yet.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2025, 06:14:00 PMSkepticism about the Bears seems reasonable.
Wanting his kid to play in the UFL for a year in hopes it would be a workaround the NFL draft (it wouldn't)? Claiming the rookie salary cap is unconstitutional (it isn't)? Trashing the city of Chicago - not the Bears, the city - in hopes it would convince the Bears to pass on him (it wouldn't)?
Nutty.
He didn't trash the city. He said that he talked about doing it like the Elways did to get him traded elsewhere. And exploring signing with UFL to circumvent the draft is just that - exploring.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 15, 2025, 07:47:21 PMHe didn't trash the city. He said that he talked about doing it like the Elways did to get him traded elsewhere. And exploring signing with UFL to circumvent the draft is just that - exploring.
He didn't stick his kid in the UFL either. Or challenge the constitutionality of a rookie salary cap. I was writing of the dumb ideas he was floating.
Exploring his kid signing in the UFL is idiotic.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2025, 08:29:32 PMHe didn't stick his kid in the UFL either. Or challenge the constitutionality of a rookie salary cap. I was writing of the dumb ideas he was floating.
Exploring his kid signing in the UFL is idiotic.
Of course you don't know how seriously he explored any of this and/or was just venting.
And none of this played out in public like it did with Ball. So your comparison is pretty bad.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 15, 2025, 08:30:48 PMOf course you don't know how seriously he explored any of this and/or was just venting.
And none of this played out in public like it did with Ball. So your comparison is pretty bad.
You're really trying hard here. I don't think the publisher would appreciate your "Nothing to see here" take.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 15, 2025, 08:41:15 PMYou're really trying hard here. I don't think the publisher would appreciate your "Nothing to see here" take.
I never said that either. But nice try.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 15, 2025, 08:30:48 PMOf course you don't know how seriously he explored any of this and/or was just venting.
And none of this played out in public like it did with Ball. So your comparison is pretty bad.
Is there a particular level of seriousness required for it to be a terrible idea? Is a terrible idea only terrible when it plays out in public? Like, if Mike Broeker explored the idea of replacing Shaka with Brian Wardle behind the scenes, would it be reasonable? I mean, he's just exploring it.
Anyhow, some of this did indeed play out in public.
From Sept. 2023:
The father of Heisman Trophy winner Caleb Williams says the Southern California quarterback could stay in school another year, especially if they don't like who has the No. 1 pick in the 2024 Draft.https://sports.yahoo.com/caleb-williamss-dad-says-son-161151238.html
From July 2023:
Per multiple sources, the representatives of USC quarterback Caleb Williams had been making it known to prospective agents that Williams wants partial ownership of the team that selects him in 2024, if he declares for the draft.https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/aaron-rodgers-caleb-williams-were-among-the-players-jostling-for-equity
Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2025, 09:45:13 PMIs there a particular level of seriousness required for it to be a terrible idea? Is a terrible idea only terrible when it plays out in public? Like, if Mike Broeker explored the idea of replacing Shaka with Brian Wardle behind the scenes, would it be reasonable? I mean, he's just exploring it.
Anyhow, some of this did indeed play out in public.
From Sept. 2023:
The father of Heisman Trophy winner Caleb Williams says the Southern California quarterback could stay in school another year, especially if they don't like who has the No. 1 pick in the 2024 Draft.
https://sports.yahoo.com/caleb-williamss-dad-says-son-161151238.html
From July 2023:
Per multiple sources, the representatives of USC quarterback Caleb Williams had been making it known to prospective agents that Williams wants partial ownership of the team that selects him in 2024, if he declares for the draft.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/aaron-rodgers-caleb-williams-were-among-the-players-jostling-for-equity
Depending on how things go, might've been smart to go back to USC and make NIL money. Play for the Titans after that.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 15, 2025, 10:06:14 PMDepending on how things go, might've been smart to go back to USC and make NIL money. Play for the Titans after that.
I imagine USC's NIL money wouldn't equal a year's worth of #1 overall pick money, not to mention delaying potential second and third contracts by another year. And then there's the risk of a serious injury or a subpar season hurting your stock.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2025, 10:19:30 PMI imagine USC's NIL money wouldn't equal a year's worth of #1 overall pick money, not to mention delaying potential second and third contracts by another year. And then there's the risk of a serious injury or a subpar season hurting your stock.
So you get an insurance policy. And he was probably at more risk with a worse OL relative to the competition, and bigger and faster dudes chasing after him while playing with the Bears.
It's more the exception, but athletes return to school when there's guaranteed money available sometimes. Even more so now that college athletes are well paid.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2025, 09:45:13 PMIs there a particular level of seriousness required for it to be a terrible idea? Is a terrible idea only terrible when it plays out in public? Like, if Mike Broeker explored the idea of replacing Shaka with Brian Wardle behind the scenes, would it be reasonable? I mean, he's just exploring it.
Ah. So now you're shifting the goalposts. Your first take, and the only one I debated, was that he was worse than Ball. Now with that preposterous position destroyed, you're resorting to terrible analogies.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 15, 2025, 09:45:13 PMAnyhow, some of this did indeed play out in public.
From Sept. 2023:
The father of Heisman Trophy winner Caleb Williams says the Southern California quarterback could stay in school another year, especially if they don't like who has the No. 1 pick in the 2024 Draft.
https://sports.yahoo.com/caleb-williamss-dad-says-son-161151238.html
From July 2023:
Per multiple sources, the representatives of USC quarterback Caleb Williams had been making it known to prospective agents that Williams wants partial ownership of the team that selects him in 2024, if he declares for the draft.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/aaron-rodgers-caleb-williams-were-among-the-players-jostling-for-equity
lol. Cmon. These are nothing.
Jeez just wave the white flag already.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 16, 2025, 07:00:47 AMAh. So now you're shifting the goalposts. Your first take, and the only one I debated, was that he was worse than Ball. Now with that preposterous position destroyed, you're resorting to terrible analogies.
Not shifting anything. You're the one who introduced the suggestion that his dumb ideas weren't actually dumb because they weren't all aired in public.
And yeah, he is worse than Ball. Lavar is a blowhard and he tried to profit off his kids with sh*tty shoes, but he never brought up the idea of them playing in the Turkish league if they didn't like the team that drafted them, or suggested they trash a city as a negotiating ploy.
QuoteJeez just wave the white flag already.
Ah, the ol "I've got no response so I'll declare victory as if I'm in middle school debate club."
Quote from: Pakuni on May 16, 2025, 07:14:36 AMAnd yeah, he is worse than Ball..
Nope. Doubling down on a stupid take because you can't admit I'm right. Sad.
It doesn't seem like his dad was wrong in his assessment of the Bears.
Also, I feel like every other year the NBA or NFL top draft pick has a story come out about debating going back to school to avoid the team picking first.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 16, 2025, 08:35:15 AMIt doesn't seem like his dad was wrong in his assessment of the Bears.
Also, I feel like every other year the NBA or NFL top draft pick threatens to go back to school to avoid the team picking first.
Yep and yep. But the dad who had his kids playing in Lithuania was better. 🙄🙄🙄
I think most fans honest assessment of the Bears as a franchise would mirror Williams'. This is also much ado about nothing since - it should be noted - Williams very much plays for the Bears.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 16, 2025, 08:35:15 AMIt doesn't seem like his dad was wrong in his assessment of the Bears.
Also, I feel like every other year the NBA or NFL top draft pick has a story come out about debating going back to school to avoid the team picking first.
Having doubts about the Bears is very reasonable.
There are thousands of parents who have kids drafted in the NFL that are smart and deeply caring of their child's well-being that don't go down the crazy paths Mr. Williams did. Any ways, he not the first or last kooky pro sports parent.
As you alluded to, he could have simply returned to USC and made fine money. In the end he saw the opportunities to be better being the Bears' QB and seems very happy with the current situation.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 16, 2025, 08:37:15 AMYep and yep. But the dad who had his kids playing in Lithuania was better. 🙄🙄🙄
You're comparing the choice of college pre-NIL vs pro ball in Lithuania to the choice of UFL vs NFL.
Pretty much the same thing. ::)
I feared the worse from LaVar Ball after the Hornets drafted LaMelo, but the fears proved to be unjustified. LaVar has totally stayed out of the Hornets' business. He is not a presence or factor at all. From what I understand, the same has been true of Lonzo and the teams he has played for.
Williams' father, from how it sounds, is a bazillion times worse ... although it's hard to argue that he was wrong about Chicago being where QBs go to die.
Quote from: MU82 on May 16, 2025, 11:00:06 AMI feared the worse from LaVar Ball after the Hornets drafted LaMelo, but the fears proved to be unjustified. LaVar has totally stayed out of the Hornets' business. He is not a presence or factor at all. From what I understand, the same has been true of Lonzo and the teams he has played for.
Williams' father, from how it sounds, is a bazillion times worse ... although it's hard to argue that he was wrong about Chicago being where QBs go to die.
At least Caleb's dad hasn't put him in shoes that may have severely limited his career.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 16, 2025, 11:35:58 AMAt least Caleb's dad hasn't put him in shoes that may have severely limited his career.
True. That we know of, anyway.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 16, 2025, 11:35:58 AMAt least Caleb's dad hasn't put him in shoes that may have severely limited his career.
I heard his dad personally paints Caleb's fingernails
Quote from: Pakuni on May 16, 2025, 10:35:11 AMYou're comparing the choice of college pre-NIL vs pro ball in Lithuania to the choice of UFL vs NFL.
Pretty much the same thing. ::)
Choosing to go play pro ball in Lithuania is 100x crazier than exploring, but ultimately rejecting, playing in the UFL.
Again Caleb and his family decided the best course of action was the "traditional" one. Yet apparently merely exploring options make his nuttier than Ball?
Just a nutty point that gets worse every time you try to defend it.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 17, 2025, 08:03:29 AMChoosing to go play pro ball in Lithuania is 100x crazier than exploring, but ultimately rejecting, playing in the UFL.
Again Caleb and his family decided the best course of action was the "traditional" one. Yet apparently merely exploring options make his nuttier than Ball?
Just a nutty point that gets worse every time you try to defend it.
The decision to go ahead and play for the Bears is the much nuttier choice, especially given the danger of living in Chicago
Quote from: The Sultan on May 17, 2025, 08:03:29 AMChoosing to go play pro ball in Lithuania is 100x crazier than exploring, but ultimately rejecting, playing in the UFL.
Again Caleb and his family decided the best course of action was the "traditional" one. Yet apparently merely exploring options make his nuttier than Ball?
Live Your Truth!
Quote from: The Sultan on May 17, 2025, 08:03:29 AMChoosing to go play pro ball in Lithuania is 100x crazier than exploring, but ultimately rejecting, playing in the UFL.
Again Caleb and his family decided the best course of action was the "traditional" one. Yet apparently merely exploring options make his nuttier than Ball?
Just a nutty point that gets worse every time you try to defend it.
The idea of getting paid for a year in Europe rather than play for free in college, a move which impacted his NBA future and earnings not one bit, is nutty.
The idea of passing on a guaranteed $39.5 million NFL contract to get $62K in the UFL, all while postponing your NFL career - and most importantly, your second contract - is not nutty.
Got it. Nothing more to be said.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 17, 2025, 07:17:50 PMThe idea of getting paid for a year in Europe rather than play for free in college, a move which impacted his NBA future and earnings not one bit, is nutty.
The idea of passing on a guaranteed $39.5 million NFL contract to get $62K in the UFL, all while postponing your NFL career - and most importantly, your second contract - is not nutty.
Man, you are really struggling with logic.
The difference, of course, is the former actually happened. The latter was only explored...and rejected.
Do you understand the difference now? Or do I have to explain it a FOURTH time?
Quote from: The Sultan on May 17, 2025, 07:30:06 PMMan, you are really struggling with logic.
The difference, of course, is the former actually happened. The latter was only explored...and rejected.
Do you understand the difference now? Or do I have to explain it a FOURTH time?
Man, you are really struggling with reading. Go back and see what I wrote.
And for some reason you find it "nutty" that a kid would pass on playing for nothing in college for a year overseas before the NBA draft. Never mind the players who successfully did it (Brandon Jennings, Emmanuel Mudiay, Terrance Ferguson) before LaMelo.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 17, 2025, 08:03:12 PMMan, you are really struggling with reading. Go back and see what I wrote.
And for some reason you find it "nutty" that a kid would pass on playing for nothing in college for a year overseas before the NBA draft. Never mind the players who successfully did it (Brandon Jennings, Emmanuel Mudiay, Terrance Ferguson) before LaMelo.
"You aren't reading what I wrote."
<proceeds to misstate what I wrote>
Your desire to hang onto your original point has reached comically desperate levels.
I doubt he gave much serious thought to the USFL. It most likely was a way to try and get the Bears to trade the pick.
Can we all agree with Ball and Williams, we are arguing who's the tallest in mental munchkin land?
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 17, 2025, 08:14:23 PMI doubt he gave much serious thought to the USFL. It most likely was a way to try and get the Bears to trade the pick.
Exactly.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 17, 2025, 08:12:05 PM"You aren't reading what I wrote."
<proceeds to misstate what I wrote>
Your desire to hang onto your original point has reached comically desperate levels.
"misstate what I wrote."
What you wrote:
"Choosing to go play pro ball in Lithuania is 100x crazier than exploring, but ultimately rejecting, playing in the UFL."
Quote from: Pakuni on May 17, 2025, 08:18:23 PM"misstate what I wrote."
What you wrote:
"Choosing to go play pro ball in Lithuania is 100x crazier than exploring, but ultimately rejecting, playing in the UFL."
LOL...you still don't understand how you misread it huh?
Quote from: The Sultan on May 17, 2025, 08:20:27 PMLOL...you still don't understand how you misread it huh?
I understand the point you think you're making. It's just wrong.
Merely contemplating turning down $39.5 million from the NFL for $62,000 from the UFL is insane.
Playing a year overseas before the NBA draft had been a successful path for several players pre-LaMelo and was neither novel or nutty.
Hope that helps.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 17, 2025, 08:26:33 PMI understand the point you think you're making. It's just wrong.
Merely contemplating turning down $39.5 million from the NFL for $62,000 from the UFL is insane.
Playing a year overseas before the NBA draft had been a successful path for several players pre-LaMelo and was neither novel or nutty.
Hope that helps.
Lithuania isn't Spain or Germany.
Not only that, but Big Baller sponsored a team that pulled out of the main Lithuanian league to play a bunch of games against lower level teams. Saying it was similar to a Brandon Jennings like situation is completely dishonest.
But Pak will keep digging instead of admitting defeat. It's his way.
Quote from: BM1090 on May 18, 2025, 02:12:23 AMLithuania isn't Spain or Germany.
He also played in the NBL.
The level of competition clearly damaged LaMelo's draft standing and NBA prospects. Fell all the way to #3 in the draft and won rookie of the year. Imagine what he could have accomplished had he spent a year under Steve Alford instead.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 18, 2025, 06:49:18 AMHe also played in the NBL.
The level of competition clearly damaged LaMelo's draft standing and NBA prospects. Fell all the way to #3 in the draft and won rookie of the year. Imagine what he could have accomplished had he spent a year under Steve Alford instead.
Keep shifting the goalposts.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 18, 2025, 06:50:20 AMKeep shifting the goalposts.
How am I shifting goalposts?
The idea of skipping a year of college basketball to play a year overseas isn't crazy. The idea of skipping year of the NFL to play in the UFL is very crazy.
You're free to disagree, but this isn't as nearly as hard as you're trying make it.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 18, 2025, 07:28:01 AMHow am I shifting goalposts?
Because draft position was never a question. If Williams would have spent a year in the UFL with NFL free agency a year away, he would have been signed to a nice contrct in the end.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 18, 2025, 07:28:01 AMThe idea of skipping a year of college basketball to play a year overseas isn't crazy.
The way the Balls did it was definitely crazy.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 18, 2025, 07:28:01 AMThe idea of skipping year of the NFL to play in the UFL is very crazy.
Yes. But Williams didn't do that.
Get it now?
Quote from: The Sultan on May 18, 2025, 07:37:53 AMYes. But Williams didn't do that.
Get it now?
Yeah, you're the one the shifting of goalposts here.
You seem to be under the impression that a crazy idea isn't actually crazy unless acted upon. Interesting theory, but wrong.
Perhaps ask ChatGPT to define "idea."
Quote from: Pakuni on May 18, 2025, 07:48:40 AMYeah, you're the one the shifting of goalposts here.
You seem to be under the impression that a crazy idea isn't actually crazy unless acted upon. Interesting theory, but wrong.
Perhaps ask ChatGPT to define "idea."
Your original statement: "Carl Williams makes Lavar Ball seem almost reasonable."
And yes, ACTING on a crazy idea makes one less reasonable than merely CONSIDERING one. In the end, Williams chose the most reasonable idea - and yes, as crazy as it seems, being drafted to play quarterback for the Bears was the most reasonable option.
I don't believe that playing low level basketball in Lithuania was the most reasonable option for Lamelo. He overcame his father's desire to build up his family's "brand," but more reasonable options would have included played in college or playing at higher level options in Europe.
Playing for Steve Alford really hurt older son Lonzo Ball's draft status so much.
Let's be honest here. Williams was never going to play in the UFL. They "explored" it in the sense of trying to find a loophole to become a free agent the following year, but there was no loophole so the only reason he would've played in the UFL was not a possibility. It wasn't just delaying his move to the NFL until someone that isn't the Bears had the first overall pick. If that's what he was looking to do he would've gone back to USC and made millions.
It's no different than what Elway did to the Colts.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 18, 2025, 08:46:53 AMPlaying for Steve Alford really hurt older son Lonzo Ball's draft status so much.
Let's be honest here. Williams was never going to play in the UFL. They "explored" it in the sense of trying to find a loophole to become a free agent the following year, but there was no loophole so the only reason he would've played in the UFL was not a possibility. It wasn't just delaying his move to the NFL until someone that isn't the Bears had the first overall pick. If that's what he was looking to do he would've gone back to USC and made millions.
It's no different than what Elway did to the Colts.
Or Manning did to the Chargers. Figuring out what leverage you have is a tale as old as time for top prospects.
Quote from: wadesworld on May 18, 2025, 08:46:53 AMPlaying for Steve Alford really hurt older son Lonzo Ball's draft status so much.
Let's be honest here. Williams was never going to play in the UFL. They "explored" it in the sense of trying to find a loophole to become a free agent the following year, but there was no loophole so the only reason he would've played in the UFL was not a possibility. It wasn't just delaying his move to the NFL until someone that isn't the Bears had the first overall pick. If that's what he was looking to do he would've gone back to USC and made millions.
It's no different than what Elway did to the Colts.
Good points. I don't think the real story is all of Mr. Williams 'questionable' ideas, it is he and Caleb going public. I'm curious as to what the end game is.
As for LaMelo going over seas, I don't remember that being a big deal, as he was not the first, but maybe the other craziness of Ball made that appear reasonable.
But I still feel like debating, at length, who is less crazy is like having a multi page debate about who is worse in the MEAC, Maryland Eastern Shore or Coppin State; in the end they are both bad teams not of consequence.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 18, 2025, 09:42:08 AMGood points. I don't think the real story is all of Mr. Williams 'questionable' ideas, it is he and Caleb going public. I'm curious as to what the end game is.
They didn't "go public" now. It was a book written about what occurred prior to the 2024 draft.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 18, 2025, 09:48:14 AMThey didn't "go public" now. It was a book written about what occurred prior to the 2024 draft.
Maybe I'm wrong, but it appears by the reports that the Williams participated with Wickersham in the book.
If this is all third party / hearsay reporting, I withdraw my question of their motive.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 18, 2025, 09:30:11 AMOr Manning did to the Chargers. Figuring out what leverage you have is a tale as old as time for top prospects.
Except Archie didn't look into signing his kid up with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers and calling San Diego a sh*thole.
I'm not taking issue with any football dad trying to put his kid in a better situation. Good for them. I'm taking issue with Carl flirting with ideas that would have put his kid in a worse situation.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 18, 2025, 09:58:48 AMExcept Archie didn't look into signing his kid up with the Winnipeg Blue Bombers and calling San Diego a sh*thole.
I'm not taking issue with any football dad trying to put his kid in a better situation. Good for them. I'm taking issue with Carl flirting with ideas that would have put his kid in a worse situation.
Flirting with ideas that end up going nowhere is a nothingburger.
He was rightfully skeptical of the Bears for reasons that turned out to be 100% accurate, but in end everyone realized it was the best option. And it may be a better situation now anyway.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 18, 2025, 09:55:52 AMMaybe I'm wrong, but it appears by the reports that the Williams participated with Wickersham in the book.
If this is all third party / hearsay reporting, I withdraw my question of their motive.
I believe the quotes initially provided to him were prior to the draft.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 18, 2025, 10:07:19 AMI believe the quotes initially provided to him were prior to the draft.
So, he went public. I find that curious. He was aware and wanted this to go public at some point.
(
Note: I never addressed the timing in my post.)
Quote from: The Sultan on May 18, 2025, 10:06:40 AMFlirting with ideas that end up going nowhere is a nothingburger.
"Move along. Nothing to see here" ;)
Quote from: The Sultan on May 18, 2025, 10:06:40 AMFlirting with ideas that end up going nowhere is a nothingburger.
I completely understand you think a bad idea that goes nowhere isn't a bad idea. I disagree.
Again, not nearly as complicated as you're trying to make it.
I gotta say, I lost track of what you all are arguing about.
I'm curious the timing of the quotes (e.g was it before the Bears said they were drafting him no matter what?).
Ultimately I don't think it matters. If he's good (and vis a vis the team is good), no one cares. If he's meh, they're probably not getting to the promised land anyway and the fans will be happy to move on down the road. If he's good and the team is bad, well, he called his shot early and was right.
My guess is he holds an inordinate amount of sway within the organization for an unproven, first contract QB. And these quotes and this story serves as a good reminder to the Bears brass of that
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 18, 2025, 10:31:14 AMSo, he went public. I find that curious. He was aware and wanted this to go public at some point.
(Note: I never addressed the timing in my post.)
Well you said "what the end game is," which makes it sound current. I don't think there is an end game now. I think the end game then was to keep Caleb from going to the Bears.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 18, 2025, 10:46:23 AMWell you said "what the end game is," which makes it sound current. I don't think there is an end game now. I think the end game then was to keep Caleb from going to the Bears.
The end game of going public in a book to be released after the draft was to keep Caleb from going to the Bears?
I don't even know what to say about that.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 18, 2025, 11:17:15 AMThe end game of going public in a book to be released after the draft was to keep Caleb from going to the Bears?
I don't even know what to say about that.
??? Wickersham is writing a book about last year. Williams isn't.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 18, 2025, 10:39:59 AMI gotta say, I lost track of what you all are arguing about.
I'm curious the timing of the quotes (e.g was it before the Bears said they were drafting him no matter what?).
Ultimately I don't think it matters. If he's good (and vis a vis the team is good), no one cares. If he's meh, they're probably not getting to the promised land anyway and the fans will be happy to move on down the road. If he's good and the team is bad, well, he called his shot early and was right.
My guess is he holds an inordinate amount of sway within the organization for an unproven, first contract QB. And these quotes and this story serves as a good reminder to the Bears brass of that
Yes, like a lot of Scoop arguments, this one is very dumb and semantical.
As for whether this matters for Williams ... it depends.
If he plays like the guy the Bears drafted him to be, it'll be soon forgotten.
If he doesn't, I think the fanbase will turn on him way harder and faster than they did Trubisky or Fields. A not insignificant portion of Bears fans were still very much in Fields' corner to the bitter end (some of them here), after all.
Whether that would matter to or affect Williams, I have no idea. I don't think many athletes enjoy being booed at home, or thrive under those circumstances, but maybe Williams is different.
FWIW, amid all the Williams family drama, we've ignored the real Bears news this week ... back to Arlington Heights they go (as always was going to be the case).
https://www.dailyherald.com/20250516/news/bears-shift-stadium-focus-back-to-arlington-heights/
Quote from: Pakuni on May 18, 2025, 12:37:14 PMFWIW, amid all the Williams family drama, we've ignored the real Bears news this week ... back to Arlington Heights they go (as always was going to be the case).
https://www.dailyherald.com/20250516/news/bears-shift-stadium-focus-back-to-arlington-heights/
Word is, LaVar threatened to move the Bears to Lithuania.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 18, 2025, 11:23:02 AM??? Wickersham is writing a book about last year. Williams isn't.
Talking to a reporter for an article or book is going public.
You are truly just trying to be difficult. Shall we debate what day of the week is today?
Quote from: MU82 on May 18, 2025, 12:48:49 PMWord is, LaVar threatened to move the Bears to Lithuania.
Or the CFL. Le Ours of Quebec City.
Quote from: MU82 on May 18, 2025, 12:48:49 PMWord is, LaVar threatened to move the Bears to Lithuania.
Threats are a nohing burger. :)
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 18, 2025, 12:50:47 PMTalking to a reporter for an article or book is going public.
You are truly just trying to be difficult. Shall we debate what day of the week is today?
No, like Pak, you aren't using any logic at all here.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 18, 2025, 12:56:46 PMNo, like Pak, you aren't using any logic at all here.
Talking to a reporter on the record isn't "going public."
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Quote from: Pakuni on May 18, 2025, 01:04:03 PMTalking to a reporter on the record isn't "going public."
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<sigh>
Man, you are really struggling following along this weekend. You OK?
Quote from: Pakuni on May 18, 2025, 01:04:03 PMTalking to a reporter on the record isn't "going public."
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I'm waiting for the world is flat argument.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 18, 2025, 01:04:03 PMTalking to a reporter on the record isn't "going public."
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Is there any proof that it was Caleb Williams or his dad talked to the author? It's possible someone else was the source.
Quote from: cheebs09 on May 18, 2025, 02:28:57 PMIs there any proof that it was Caleb Williams or his dad talked to the author? It's possible someone else was the source.
Wickersham discussed his conversations with Carl and Caleb on Chicago sports radio.
https://www.audacy.com/670thescore/sports/chicago-bears/author-shares-insight-caleb-williams-desire-to-avoid-bears
Of all the dumb arguments on scoop... this was one of them
I'm a Bears fan. Caleb and his dad's concerns were obviously logical and proven to be well-founded considering last season's sh*tshow.
I imagine his father knew all of their potential solutions to avoiding being drafted by the Bears were Hail Mary's but I can't blame him for at least looking into it.
Ultimately, Caleb made the logical decision and now has a bunch of weapons, an improved line, and a great offensive mind behind him.
He's in a great spot to succeed and I'm excited to see how it turns out.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on May 18, 2025, 02:56:37 PMOf all the dumb arguments on scoop... this was one of them
Arguing who rates a 7 and who rates an 8 on the crazy scale between Ball and Williams is dumb? Agreed.
I honestly don't know how the 'Caleb's dad went public' is an argument. Never in a million years did I consider that an objectionable or questionable part of of a pretty innocent question.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on May 18, 2025, 03:49:11 PMArguing who rates a 7 and who rates an 8 on the crazy scale between Ball and Williams is dumb? Agreed.
I honestly don't know how the 'Caleb's dad went public' is an argument. Never in a million years did I consider that an objectionable or questionable part of of a pretty innocent question.
Christ almighty. I never claimed he didn't go public. Please read.
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 18, 2025, 10:39:59 AMI gotta say, I lost track of what you all are arguing about.
I'm curious the timing of the quotes (e.g was it before the Bears said they were drafting him no matter what?).
Ultimately I don't think it matters. If he's good (and vis a vis the team is good), no one cares. If he's meh, they're probably not getting to the promised land anyway and the fans will be happy to move on down the road. If he's good and the team is bad, well, he called his shot early and was right.
My guess is he holds an inordinate amount of sway within the organization for an unproven, first contract QB. And these quotes and this story serves as a good reminder to the Bears brass of that
Who is more woke, Caleb or lamelo?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on May 18, 2025, 04:12:56 PMWho is more woke, Caleb or lamelo?
Don't know, but Caleb getting drafted ahead of Drake Maye was a DEI hire.
The bigger worry for NFL teams in when Arch Manning is drafted (probably next year). The Manning's have a history in this area.
Quote from: Jockey on May 18, 2025, 05:08:25 PMThe bigger worry for NFL teams in when Arch Manning is drafted (probably next year). The Manning's have a history in this area.
Good point. Get your popcorn ready.
Quote from: Jockey on May 18, 2025, 05:08:25 PMThe bigger worry for NFL teams in when Arch Manning is drafted (probably next year). The Manning's have a history in this area.
Far from a sure thing he's coming out anyhow. Both his uncles stayed four years when they could have come out early, the family doesn't need money and he's well compensated at Texas.
That said, the Saints are the early leader for #1 overall pick and I imagine that's a team high on the family's list.
Quote from: Pakuni on May 18, 2025, 04:51:27 PMDon't know, but Caleb getting drafted ahead of Drake Maye was a DEI hire.
Thank goodness it's illegal now
$181M guaranteed (and $265M overall) for Brock Purdy.
I mean, I guess SF had no choice ... but yikes!
Quote from: MU82 on May 19, 2025, 10:05:58 AM$181M guaranteed (and $265M overall) for Brock Purdy.
I mean, I guess SF had no choice ... but yikes!
The cap will keep going up. We always overreact to these deals of mid-level QBs. Given the dearth of Purdy-level QBs, this deal is fine
"Fall of Favre" was OK. Didn't really cover that much new ground, but of course I already knew most of it. The Jenn Sterger harrassment was way worse than I remembered.
Mike Vick's participation certainly lended an interesting twist to it however.
Tush Push lives on.
Packers will have to stop it on the field much to the chagrin of their organization
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 21, 2025, 10:46:38 AMTush Push lives on.
Packers will have to stop it on the field much to the chagrin of their organization
That's too bad, I would have liked to see it killed.
Quote from: MUBurrow on May 21, 2025, 10:49:05 AMThat's too bad, I would have liked to see it killed.
I'm with Dan Campbell on it: "I am of the school that they found something and it's up to everybody else to stop it. So I'm a hard yes,"
Quote from: MUBurrow on May 21, 2025, 10:49:05 AMThat's too bad, I would have liked to see it killed.
I hope another team does what Washington did and keep jumping offsides. I can only imagine the lawsuits from gamblers if Philly was awarded a TD without crossing the goal line.
Besides, it is an excellent strategy as eventually there is a very good chance that Philly would jump before the snap and they'd get the 5-yarder.
Quote from: Jockey on May 21, 2025, 12:36:59 PMI hope another team does what Washington did and keep jumping offsides. I can only imagine the lawsuits from gamblers if Philly was awarded a TD without crossing the goal line.
Besides, it is an excellent strategy as eventually there is a very good chance that Philly would jump before the snap and they'd get the 5-yarder.
Why would gamblers file a lawsuit? Against whom?
Yeah, they would threaten the jumpers kids, not file a lawsuit.
I'd like to see a team simply stop it.
Physics makes that difficult.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 21, 2025, 12:46:53 PMI'd like to see a team simply stop it.
If they enforce the line of scrimmage rules correctly I have no problem with it. Packers stopped it multiple times last year. Wasn't their issue with the Eagles
Quote from: GB Warrior on May 21, 2025, 12:53:33 PMIf they enforce the line of scrimmage rules correctly I have no problem with it. Packers stopped it multiple times last year. Wasn't their issue with the Eagles
They should have proposed a ban on wide receiver reverses on short yardage plays to stop LaFleur from calling them
The Lions voted against banning the tush push and I understand their reasoning. In addition to the tush push, one of the Lions pet moves would have been made illegal. And that is when one of their runners is stood up a few yards downfield hasn't gone down yet. Detroit O-linemen will crash into that scrum, pushing the whole pile 3-5-7 yards further downfield.
Detroit wanted to continue to do that, so viva la tush push.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 21, 2025, 12:46:53 PMI'd like to see a team simply stop it.
I would usually agree, but I'm not sure that's possible without a lot more injuries.
Quote from: MUBurrow on May 21, 2025, 01:41:04 PMI would usually agree, but I'm not sure that's possible without a lot more injuries.
Are you the woke mob
Quote from: Uncle Rico on May 21, 2025, 01:55:33 PMAre you the woke mob
hell no shut up and chomp block
Quote from: MUBurrow on May 21, 2025, 01:59:51 PMhell no shut up and chomp block
What a dentist thing to say.
Quote from: The Sultan on May 21, 2025, 12:41:06 PMWhy would gamblers file a lawsuit? Against whom?
Against the NFL for arbitrarily awarding points that change the outcome bets.
Nota great chance of winning, but to question whether or not people file silly lawsuits is giving people way more credit than they deserve.
Irsay dead at 65.
Quote from: tower912 on May 21, 2025, 07:38:54 PMIrsay dead at 65.
Did his dentist slip him painkillers?
Quote from: tower912 on May 21, 2025, 07:38:54 PMIrsay dead at 65.
One of those unique situations where you can be like "man, he was still young" and also "man, I'm surprised he lasted this long"
I hope he finds thousands of pairs of Sarah Palin's feet in heaven
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 21, 2025, 11:44:56 AMI'm with Dan Campbell on it: "I am of the school that they found something and it's up to everybody else to stop it. So I'm a hard yes,"
Yeah I don't really have a problem with it. The only reason I wanted it banned is because I think it's boring as hell.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on May 21, 2025, 11:44:56 AMI'm with Dan Campbell on it: "I am of the school that they found something and it's up to everybody else to stop it. So I'm a hard yes,"
reeko is a semi-hard yes on the tush push
Quote from: Jay Bee on May 22, 2025, 07:34:00 AMreeko is a semi-hard yes on the tush push
Again, I'm flattered but am not interested.
Quote from: JWags85 on May 21, 2025, 10:08:41 PMOne of those unique situations where you can be like "man, he was still young" and also "man, I'm surprised he lasted this long"
Yeah, I honestly thought he was at least mid-70s.
Kevin Warren's impact on the Bears stadium efforts has proved worthless (https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears-stadium/2025/06/01/bears-stadium-bill-springfield).
https://x.com/RapSheet/status/1929569634388160910
That Lions title contender window is going to close incredibly fast, yikes.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 02, 2025, 11:07:14 AMhttps://x.com/RapSheet/status/1929569634388160910
I wonder if they had an inkling of this ahead of the draft. They took a couple guards, including one in the 2nd if I remember correctly.
Quote from: Jockey on June 02, 2025, 12:26:52 PMI wonder if they had an inkling of this ahead of the draft. They took a couple guards, including one in the 2nd if I remember correctly.
All indications seem to be the Lions were well aware of this possibility.
A back to back All Pro the last 2 years retiring at 29 is brutal. Kudos to him for prioritizing his future but the Barry Sanders flashbacks can't be fun in Detroit.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 02, 2025, 12:47:00 PMA back to back All Pro the last 2 years retiring at 29 is brutal. Kudos to him for prioritizing his future but the Barry Sanders flashbacks can't be fun in Detroit.
IDK, this feels more like a Travis Frederick situation than a Sanders one.
Is Rodgers going to pull a Favre and make the Steelers come to Cali to woo him? Or is he just staying silent to avoid as much of the offseason as possible?
Quote from: Jockey on June 02, 2025, 12:26:52 PMI wonder if they had an inkling of this ahead of the draft. They took a couple guards, including one in the 2nd if I remember correctly.
Glasgow has been working out at center and is more than ready to step in:
https://x.com/colton_pouncy/status/1929586506319942056
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 02, 2025, 01:23:24 PMIs Rodgers going to pull a Favre and make the Steelers come to Cali to woo him? Or is he just staying silent to avoid as much of the offseason as possible?
I think he's waiting for the Deputy Secretary of HHS appointment to come through first.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 02, 2025, 01:23:24 PMIs Rodgers going to pull a Favre and make the Steelers come to Cali to woo him? Or is he just staying silent to avoid as much of the offseason as possible?
He's missed half the OTAs and mandatory mini-camp starts next week. You'd think he would need to make his decision soon.
IDK...unless he has some verbal agreement already, I would just move on. This already has tons of red flags if you're the Steelers.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 02, 2025, 01:29:43 PMHe's missed half the OTAs and mandatory mini-camp starts next week. You'd think he would need to make his decision soon.
IDK...unless he has some verbal agreement already, I would just move on. This already has tons of red flags if you're the Steelers.
Plus, he sucks
Quote from: The Sultan on June 02, 2025, 12:51:21 PMIDK, this feels more like a Travis Frederick situation than a Sanders one.
I just meant as another elite Lions star to retire very early.
Wasn't Frederick having Guillain-Barre Syndrome, if I recall right, a significant factor? I wasn't aware of Ragnow having an underlying condition?
Quote from: JWags85 on June 02, 2025, 02:19:36 PMI just meant as another elite Lions star to retire very early.
Wasn't Frederick having Guillain-Barre Syndrome, if I recall right, a significant factor? I wasn't aware of Ragnow having an underlying condition?
Just injuries. Frederick was also a pretty smart dude (computer science and engineering double major) and I think was involved in a start up that got sold off last year.
Ah, well. I guess the toe was too painful. I have to assume they had an inkling since they went trenches early. It didn't make a ton of sense to me at the time, except as a long term play to build up depth and have replacements ready when Ragnow and Decker retired. I guess they knew something the rest of us didn't.
Glasgow to center. Two of the three of Mahogany, Ratledge, Frazier at guard. A season from now, I think Ratledge slides to center.
Obviously, Ragnow was a class of one. Detroit has a bunch if big young maulers to choose from.
Quote from: tower912 on June 02, 2025, 03:18:06 PMAh, well. I guess the toe was too painful. I have to assume they had an inkling since they went trenches early. It didn't make a ton of sense to me at the time, accept as a long term play to build up depth and have replacements ready when Ragnow and Decker retired. I guess they knew something the rest of us didn't.
Glasgow to center. Two of the three of Mahogany, Ratledge, Frazier at guard. A season from now, I think Ratledge slides to center.
Obviously, Ragnow was a class of one. Detroit has a bunch if big young maulers to choose from.
The Lions window is shut. Dark days have returned. The Packers run the division now
The Lions windows never opened. The curse supercedes everything.
Quote from: tower912 on June 02, 2025, 03:48:30 PMThe Lions windows never opened. The curse supercedes everything.
If the Packers bring Anders home, lookout
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 02, 2025, 03:47:31 PMThe Lions window is shut. Dark days have returned. The Packers run the division now
Lions' window shut on a 4th-and-3 in Santa Clara.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 02, 2025, 05:04:50 PMLions' window shut on a 4th-and-3 in Santa Clara.
They're one of the few teams in the NFL that had a one-year window, unlike the Packers who have a window that is always open or the Bears who don't have a window
Quote from: tower912 on June 02, 2025, 03:18:06 PMAh, well. I guess the toe was too painful. I have to assume they had an inkling since they went trenches early. It didn't make a ton of sense to me at the time, accept as a long term play to build up depth and have replacements ready when Ragnow and Decker retired. I guess they knew something the rest of us didn't.
Glasgow to center. Two of the three of Mahogany, Ratledge, Frazier at guard. A season from now, I think Ratledge slides to center.
Obviously, Ragnow was a class of one. Detroit has a bunch if big young maulers to choose from.
Disregarding the facts. Lions terrible franchise drives another star to hate football and retire early. At least this one wasn't top 5 all time
A season ago Philadelphia replaced a legendary center and their O and D coordinators. Just sayin'.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 02, 2025, 02:33:11 PMJust injuries. Frederick was also a pretty smart dude (computer science and engineering double major)
Went to a sh1t school where A's on a bell curve were easy
Quote from: tower912 on June 03, 2025, 06:42:12 AMA season ago Philadelphia replaced a legendary center and their O and D coordinators. Just sayin'.
The difference between a good and a great center is nowhere near the difference between a good LT and a great LT. The Lions line will be fine. They have 2 very OL friendly RBs in place.
Quote from: Jockey on June 03, 2025, 10:28:49 AMThe difference between a good and a great center is nowhere near the difference between a good LT and a great LT. The Lions line will be fine. They have 2 very OL friendly RBs in place.
I don't think this was a big surprise to the Lions:
https://atozsports.com/nfl/detroit-lions-news/the-lions-may-have-been-secretly-telling-us-about-frank-ragnows-retirement-all-offseason-why-nobody-seemed-to-notice/
As I said earlier, the Lions draft makes more sense (two huge mauler SEC linemen) if they knew.
Still, tough to replace a good Minnesota kid. #Chan
Quote from: The Sultan on June 02, 2025, 08:40:47 AMKevin Warren's impact on the Bears stadium efforts has proved worthless (https://chicago.suntimes.com/bears-stadium/2025/06/01/bears-stadium-bill-springfield).
And yet the Bears' prospects for a stadium look 100x better than the Sox.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 05, 2025, 02:03:21 PMAnd yet the Bears' prospects for a stadium look 100x better than the Sox.
Which has nothing to do with Kevin Warren. In fact, if not for Kevin Warren, a stadium likely is under construction right now. His dalliance with the lakefront cost the Bears 18 months.
The team can thank Bill Carstanjen and Churchill Downs, Inc., for their stadium prospects.
Not only waste 18 months, but everyone knew the whole lakefront thing was a bluff trying to force concessions from local school districts on a tax issue. It was politically dumb as hell. And now they aren't getting state support for anything...at least not yet.
I'm sure it will eventually work out. The numbers are too good for everyone involved. And I'm sure Kevin Warren will be especially impressed with his performance. But all of this has been penny-wise and pound-foolish.
Rodgers signing with the Steelers. Feels like this probably won't end well.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 05, 2025, 02:15:51 PMRodgers signing with the Steelers. Feels like this probably won't end well.
It's really a shame he didn't end up in Minnesota to fulfill his destiny as Dongslinger 2.0
The second trilogy could have been more interesting than the first.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 05, 2025, 02:07:07 PMWhich has nothing to do with Kevin Warren. In fact, if not for Kevin Warren, a stadium likely is under construction right now. His dalliance with the lakefront cost the Bears 18 months.
The team can thank Bill Carstanjen and Churchill Downs, Inc., for their stadium prospects.
My comment was in no way a compliment to Warren and the Bears.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 05, 2025, 02:15:51 PMRodgers signing with the Steelers. Feels like this probably won't end well.
Destroying NFL franchises, one team at a time.
Can't wait to see Tomlin's reaction when he starts ignoring play calls.
Any chance of Anders getting a crack at Boswell's job?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on June 05, 2025, 07:46:06 PMAny chance of Anders getting a crack at Boswell's job?
And threaten Rodgers's alpha spot in the locker room? Hell no!
Packers release Jaire
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 09, 2025, 07:34:28 AMPackers release Jaire
Frees up cap space to bury the hatchet with Anders
See ya'.
Mark Murphy on Jaire Alexander: Great player, but we're used to being without him
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 05, 2025, 02:15:51 PMRodgers signing with the Steelers. Feels like this probably won't end well.
Myles Garrett is excited:
https://x.com/AlbertBreer/status/1932488206118977775
Why do the Bengals hate their defensive ends
Aaron Roger's married
Seems like Gute understood Ja's market just fine.
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 18, 2025, 01:53:59 PMSeems like Gute understood Ja's market just fine.
Feels like stealing money to bet on him being All-Pro this year
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 18, 2025, 02:11:12 PMFeels like stealing money to bet on him being All-Pro this year
I would but I already placed the no brainer bet on Anders
Quote from: GB Warrior on June 18, 2025, 02:52:22 PMI would but I already placed the no brainer bet on Anders
Packers catch a huge break - Anders released by Jets.
"Now I'm with somebody who's private, who doesn't want to be in the public eye, didn't sign up to be a celebrity, doesn't want to be part of it," Rodgers said June 24. "And because I do things in private because I want my personal life to be private and now I'm somehow weird and now the paparazzi is stalking me on the beach trying to get a picture of her, stalking me in the workout. What is the entitlement to information that where we're living in society these days?"
Yes. He is being held against his will doing the Pat McAfee show every week. He hates publicity and does not want to be a part of it. He even says he'll play 1 more year of football and nobody will ever hear from him again.
Anyway, is this a Manti Teo marriage? Or, speaking of hostages, does he keep her locked up in their house, not allowed to see daylight anywhere? Cameras are everywhere. If they've gone out in public anywhere there would be pictures of them together somewhere.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 25, 2025, 10:20:08 AM"Now I'm with somebody who's private, who doesn't want to be in the public eye, didn't sign up to be a celebrity, doesn't want to be part of it," Rodgers said June 24. "And because I do things in private because I want my personal life to be private and now I'm somehow weird and now the paparazzi is stalking me on the beach trying to get a picture of her, stalking me in the workout. What is the entitlement to information that where we're living in society these days?"
Yes. He is being held against his will doing the Pat McAfee show every week. He hates publicity and does not want to be a part of it. He even says he'll play 1 more year of football and nobody will ever hear from him again.
Anyway, is this a Manti Teo marriage? Or, speaking of hostages, does he keep her locked up in their house, not allowed to see daylight anywhere? Cameras are everywhere. If they've gone out in public anywhere there would be pictures of them together somewhere.
She goes to another high school
I did see someone captured a photo of the happy couple.
(https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BNzM2NzgxNWMtOTRmYy00NzQ3LTg1OTAtYzU0MmE5YWU2ODAzXkEyXkFqcGc@._V1_.jpg)
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 25, 2025, 10:25:04 AMShe goes to another high school
They met at Niagara Falls. You wouldn't know her.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 25, 2025, 10:20:08 AM"Now I'm with somebody who's private, who doesn't want to be in the public eye, didn't sign up to be a celebrity, doesn't want to be part of it," Rodgers said June 24. "And because I do things in private because I want my personal life to be private and now I'm somehow weird and now the paparazzi is stalking me on the beach trying to get a picture of her, stalking me in the workout. What is the entitlement to information that where we're living in society these days?"
Yes. He is being held against his will doing the Pat McAfee show every week. He hates publicity and does not want to be a part of it. He even says he'll play 1 more year of football and nobody will ever hear from him again.
Also particularly rich coming from someone who spent the last 10 years before he got to the Jets dating multiple celebrity women and having their relationship in the public eye.
The vast majority of star NFL QBs, not named Tom Brady or Josh Allen, date and marry normal non famous women. He's created an entirely fake narrative to support his faux need for privacy. Totally on par for twilight of his career Aaron.
Quote from: JWags85 on June 25, 2025, 12:42:36 PMAlso particularly rich coming from someone who spent the last 10 years before he got to the Jets dating multiple celebrity women and having their relationship in the public eye.
The vast majority of star NFL QBs, not named Tom Brady or Josh Allen, date and marry normal non famous women. He's created an entirely fake narrative to support his faux need for privacy. Totally on par for twilight of his career Aaron.
He's never gotten over being rejected by Packer fans and not getting the Jeopardy gig. He thought when his team leaked a trade request before the '21 draft he'd get the Dongslinger treatment from fans that he saw in 2008. When the majority of Packer fans shrugged their shoulders and said, "well, bye", it sent him into this tailspin. Couple that with his lying about being vaccinated instead of being honest about it and getting called out, it was over for him and his ego.
All his actions are overcompensation at this point. He's trying to control the narrative by pretending he doesn't care about publicity and being loved. He went from a surefire TV personality in retirement (I'd argue he'd have had an opportunity to have a career like Strahan and Burleson) to being a pariah. He won't take any responsibility and instead will portray himself as a victim of cancel culture.
Really, it's an amazing character study of an individual. Could have been Manning or Brady, but instead is a nobody.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 25, 2025, 10:20:08 AM"Now I'm with somebody who's private, who doesn't want to be in the public eye, didn't sign up to be a celebrity, doesn't want to be part of it," Rodgers said June 24. "And because I do things in private because I want my personal life to be private and now I'm somehow weird and now the paparazzi is stalking me on the beach trying to get a picture of her, stalking me in the workout. What is the entitlement to information that where we're living in society these days?"
Yes. He is being held against his will doing the Pat McAfee show every week. He hates publicity and does not want to be a part of it. He even says he'll play 1 more year of football and nobody will ever hear from him again.
Anyway, is this a Manti Teo marriage? Or, speaking of hostages, does he keep her locked up in their house, not allowed to see daylight anywhere? Cameras are everywhere. If they've gone out in public anywhere there would be pictures of them together somewhere.
And if Mrs. Te'o is such a private person who isn't even on social media, why would she marry a guy who needs public adoration every day?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 25, 2025, 12:56:42 PMHe's never gotten over being rejected by Packer fans and not getting the Jeopardy gig. He thought when his team leaked a trade request before the '21 draft he'd get the Dongslinger treatment from fans that he saw in 2008. When the majority of Packer fans shrugged their shoulders and said, "well, bye", it sent him into this tailspin. Couple that with his lying about being vaccinated instead of being honest about it and getting called out, it was over for him and his ego.
All his actions are overcompensation at this point. He's trying to control the narrative by pretending he doesn't care about publicity and being loved. He went from a surefire TV personality in retirement (I'd argue he'd have had an opportunity to have a career like Strahan and Burleson) to being a pariah. He won't take any responsibility and instead will portray himself as a victim of cancel culture.
Really, it's an amazing character study of an individual. Could have been Manning or Brady, but instead is a nobody.
I don't know. Some very smart dentists told me that he was going to win big since they finally will let him pick his teammates. I'm sure that will happen someday.
Quote from: The Sultan on June 25, 2025, 04:13:20 PMI don't know. Some very smart dentists told me that he was going to win big since they finally will let him pick his teammates. I'm sure that will happen someday.
Of all the qqqqqq takes, his Rodgers doesn't like the attention take was one of his greatest hits
Aaron's new teammates looked a lot like his old teammates. Where are the odds his wife looks suspiciously like Danica Patrick
The Steelers seem determined to have the most mercurial team in the league.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/breaking-news/article/steelers-acquire-jalen-ramsey-jonnu-smith-while-sending-minkah-fitzpatrick-to-dolphins-in-reported-trade-143949412.html
I don't know what the Packers intend to do with Elgton's contract but they should do it soon
The Pablo Torre reporting on the NFLPA is absolutely insane. The NFL is shameless
Injury parade continues for Detroit. Onwuzurike with ACL surgery.
Trump is threatening to hold up a new stadium deal for Washington's NFL team if it does not restore its old name of the Redskins according to ESPN.
Quote from: Jockey on July 20, 2025, 06:49:59 PMTrump is threatening to hold up a new stadium deal for Washington's NFL team if it does not restore its old name of the Redskins according to ESPN.
More of that classic limited government conservatism I hear so much about
The Athletic wisely disabled the comments section to its article about the situation.
It would have been "lively."
Quote from: Jockey on July 20, 2025, 06:49:59 PMTrump is threatening to hold up a new stadium deal for Washington's NFL team if it does not restore its old name of the Redskins according to ESPN.
Jingling keys to distract the infants.
Quote from: Jockey on July 20, 2025, 06:49:59 PMTrump is threatening to hold up a new stadium deal for Washington's NFL team if it does not restore its old name of the Redskins according to ESPN.
At least he's consistent and using correct grammar.
https://x.com/Thiss_Youu/status/1947231015774122136
If the Commanders come out with Washington Whatevers merch I will be all over this
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 21, 2025, 11:41:28 AMIf the Commanders come out with Washington Whatevers merch I will be all over this
Let's meet in the middle and go with Orangeskins
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2025, 11:45:10 AMLet's meet in the middle and go with Orangeskins
Washington Foreskins and 7 years ago
Washington Confederates, soon to play in Robert E. Lee Stadium.
Not being able to buy Chief Wahoo apparel anymore is an attack on my white personhood
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 21, 2025, 11:45:10 AMLet's meet in the middle and go with Orangeskins
I prefer the Washington Lynch Mob.
My white heritage is on the outs and needs to be restored.
Quote from: Jockey on July 21, 2025, 01:06:39 PMI prefer the Washington Lynch Mob.
My white heritage is on the outs and needs to be restored.
Just call them the Rockets
I'm still guilty of calling them the Redskins sometimes because it is not that important to me.
It should be far, far less important to the President. Let a private business call themselves whatever they want. He needs to grow up. (understatement of the year?)
Washington Babbits
Quote from: GB Warrior on July 21, 2025, 02:00:08 PMWashington Babbits
Hopefully things end up better for Brian Robinson Jr. than his team's namesake when he takes a shot hitting the hole his teammates opened up for him.
Florio is floating the idea of Mark Murphy as the new NFLPA executive director. Which is a wild, but actually a decent idea. He was an NFLPA represenative for the the Redskins back in the day and IMO is way more comfortable in a room of NFL players than NFL owners.
Quote from: The Sultan on July 23, 2025, 04:23:44 PMFlorio is floating the idea of Mark Murphy as the new NFLPA executive director. Which is a wild, but actually a decent idea. He was an NFLPA represenative for the the Redskins back in the day and IMO is way more comfortable in a room of NFL players than NFL owners.
Scab and back again
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45859193/ranking-nfl-2025-season-coaching-staffs-best-worst-coaches-coordinators
Lol. I think KOC is a great coach, but come on. Let's maybe win a single Playoff game before we rank him and the staff above a staff led by Andy Reid. I personally wouldn't have the Vikings top 5, but at least put them 2 at best.
Regarding the Micah Parsons' situation...
‪Anthony K Photos‬
‪@anthonykphotos.bsky.social‬
The Dallas Cowboys are truly Americas team as they also are being ruined by an angry old man who sucks at negotiating.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 01, 2025, 10:36:52 AMRegarding the Micah Parsons' situation...
‪Anthony K Photos‬
‪@anthonykphotos.bsky.social‬
The Dallas Cowboys are truly Americas team as they also are being ruined by an angry old man who sucks at negotiating.
Who is Anthony K Photos?
I'd love to know who does this detailed, analytics based, professional analysis.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 01, 2025, 10:51:10 AMWho is Anthony K Photos?
I'd love to know who does this detailed, analytics based, professional analysis.
I'm definitely taking Jerry Jones side here. His football acumen and handling of players is second to none
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 01, 2025, 11:31:31 AMI'm definitely taking Jerry Jones side here. His football acumen and handling of players is second to none
Speaking as a non-Cowboy fan; I am very happy with Jerry as GM of the Cowboys.
Does anyone love discriminating against successful black athletes before grossly overpaying for their services than JJ?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 01, 2025, 10:51:10 AMWho is Anthony K Photos?
I'd love to know who does this detailed, analytics based, professional analysis.
Which angry old guy are you defending here?
Quote from: Pakuni on August 01, 2025, 12:52:52 PMWhich angry old guy are you defending here?
FWIW, I'd value Sultan's personal take on the situation more than Mr. Photos.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 01, 2025, 02:29:28 PMFWIW, I'd value Sultan's personal take on the situation more than Mr. Photos.
What did Mr. Photos get wrong?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 01, 2025, 10:51:10 AMWho is Anthony K Photos?
I'd love to know who does this detailed, analytics based, professional analysis.
Just some random dude who made an accurate statement.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 01, 2025, 02:44:49 PMJust some random dude who made an accurate statement.
OK, I guess.
In other news, Joe P Smith said "Lamar Jackson is good at football"
;D
So, Bear fans, how is the new coach? Preseason going smoothly?
Vikings fans, is JJ an upgrade over that Darn old quarterback?
Packers fans, does the Love affair continue? Runs toppers on defense? Are the new receivers an upgrade?
I predict Parsons stays in Dallas. Nobody else wants to blow up their salary cap or part with what Dallas reportedly wants.
Quote from: tower912 on August 02, 2025, 08:04:02 PMSo, Bear fans, how is the new coach? Preseason going smoothly?
Vikings fans, is JJ an upgrade over that Darn old quarterback?
Packers fans, does the Love affair continue? Runs toppers on defense? Are the new receivers an upgrade?
I am hoping we can see a healthy year out of Love. I think a lot of his issues were with the injuries. Hoping that led to some of the bad decisions.
Quote from: tower912 on August 02, 2025, 08:04:02 PMSo, Bear fans, how is the new coach? Preseason going smoothly?
Vikings fans, is JJ an upgrade over that Darn old quarterback?
Packers fans, does the Love affair continue? Runs toppers on defense? Are the new receivers an upgrade?
Dentists told me Love doesn't have an NFL arm, so the Packers need to upgrade there
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1mg4kbb/highlight_caleb_williams_is_visibly_frustrated/?share_id=euosFEtvkZOPGpN9j6ggJ&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=4
I think the average Scooper might perform better than this. That's like a 10 yard throw.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 03, 2025, 07:12:40 AMDentists told me Love doesn't have an NFL arm, so the Packers need to upgrade there
Is there any reason to not bring Anders in for a chance at QB? That talent can't all be contained in his leg.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 03, 2025, 12:48:42 PMhttps://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1mg4kbb/highlight_caleb_williams_is_visibly_frustrated/?share_id=euosFEtvkZOPGpN9j6ggJ&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=4
I think the average Scooper might perform better than this. That's like a 10 yard throw.
(https://i.imgflip.com/5c3g9j.gif)
Quote from: wadesworld on August 03, 2025, 12:48:42 PMhttps://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1mg4kbb/highlight_caleb_williams_is_visibly_frustrated/?share_id=euosFEtvkZOPGpN9j6ggJ&utm_content=1&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=ioscss&utm_source=share&utm_term=4
I think the average Scooper Stevie Wonder 8-) might perform better than this. That's like a 10 yard throw.
If Detroit can avoid injuries, this could be the year the suffering ends.
Having said that, I assume the endless parade of injuries to key players will begin shortly.
Quote from: tower912 on August 03, 2025, 04:46:26 PMIf Detroit can avoid injuries, this could be the year the suffering ends.
Having said that, I assume the endless parade of injuries to key players will begin shortly.
Every team deals with injuries. It's the NFL.
From The Athletic:
6.9 million households tuned in for last Thursday's NFL Hall of Fame Game exhibition, the biggest audience since 2021. Harbinger of massive NFL TV ratings to come this season.
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2025, 11:54:17 AMFrom The Athletic:
6.9 million households tuned in for last Thursday's NFL Hall of Fame Game exhibition, the biggest audience since 2021. Harbinger of massive NFL TV ratings to come this season.
They're degenerates, all of us
In a move that will likely hasten their doom (finally):
https://www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/US/2025/08/06/sports-espn-buys-nfl-network/2201754499340/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 06, 2025, 01:09:26 PMIn a move that will likely hasten their doom (finally):
https://www.upi.com/amp/Top_News/US/2025/08/06/sports-espn-buys-nfl-network/2201754499340/
I know Smuggles (Heisey) said ESPN was doomed. Didn't he also say the NFL was doomed? I admit I might be misremembering the latter.
They were doomed once they agreed to show Big East games
Quote from: MU82 on August 06, 2025, 01:21:02 PMI know Smuggles (Heisey) said ESPN was doomed. Didn't he also say the NFL was doomed? I admit I might be misremembering the latter.
I bet he went to Bill Ackman's tennis match
Shams reporting Mahomes keeping his options open about his future
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 06, 2025, 06:14:40 PMShams reporting Mahomes keeping his options open about his future
Mahomes and Anders*
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 06, 2025, 06:14:40 PMShams reporting Mahomes keeping his options open about his future
Is this strictly football related?
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 06, 2025, 06:14:40 PMShams reporting Mahomes keeping his options open about his future
Bad news for his wife?
Hey bros, Madden early access begins at 11a. Heading to play pickleball now but if you guys want to play this afternoon lmk
#skol
Haven't played Madden in a number of years. I'm basically down to The Show and NCAA Football only now. And haven't played the new version of either of those yet.
The Athletic, on Shedeur Sanders, who will start Cleveland's exhibition opener ...
Can he beat expectations? His character is already impressing, with The Athletic's Jason Lloyd writing this:
"[Sanders] doesn't come off as entitled. He's never publicly complained once about his slide on draft day. He puts his head down and goes to work. He is cognizant of his teammates and careful that his enormous presence doesn't block them out."
And when his famous father, Deion, wanted to visit training camp? Shedeur told him to stay home. There, Deion can watch his son's debut tomorrow night.
Good for him, if this is true and not just a PR feed.
If he works out, wonder what sort of asset you could get for Watson. Maybe a couple used jock straps?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on August 07, 2025, 12:53:27 PMGood for him, if this is true and not just a PR feed.
Some like The Athletic and some don't. But I don't think they routinely are charged with merely being "PR feeds."
I do think Flacco is still in line to be the starter. I'm not even sure Sanders is second string yet.
Good that he's kept his head down and worked in camp though.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 07, 2025, 01:34:50 PMI do think Flacco is still in line to be the starter. I'm not even sure Sanders is second string yet.
Good that he's kept his head down and worked in camp though.
Flacco looks more like a QB I can trust
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 07, 2025, 01:51:23 PMFlacco looks more like a QB I can trust
QB you'd have a beer with
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 07, 2025, 02:02:39 PMQB you'd have a beer with
Definitely a coach's kid, unlike the actual coach's kid.
Quote from: MU82 on August 07, 2025, 12:49:30 PMThe Athletic, on Shedeur Sanders, who will start Cleveland's exhibition opener ...
Can he beat expectations? His character is already impressing, with The Athletic's Jason Lloyd writing this:
"[Sanders] doesn't come off as entitled. He's never publicly complained once about his slide on draft day. He puts his head down and goes to work. He is cognizant of his teammates and careful that his enormous presence doesn't block them out."
And when his famous father, Deion, wanted to visit training camp? Shedeur told him to stay home. There, Deion can watch his son's debut tomorrow night.
Sanders looked really solid and poised in his preseason debut. 14-23, 138 yds, 2 TDs, 106.8, had a 115 rating through the first half.
Obviously its preseason, but he did just about everything you'd want a rookie QB to do. Credit to him for keeping a low profile and grinding through training camp and really having no distractions after the circus of the draft.
I applaud the actions of the Lions and Falcons tonight.
Holders setting up at the opposition's 40 yard line for a field goal is insane.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 08, 2025, 08:36:29 PMSanders looked really solid and poised in his preseason debut. 14-23, 138 yds, 2 TDs, 106.8, had a 115 rating through the first half.
Obviously its preseason, but he did just about everything you'd want a rookie QB to do. Credit to him for keeping a low profile and grinding through training camp and really having no distractions after the circus of the draft.
Agree.
Bryce Young also looked poised, comfortable and totally in command.
The Packers opener looked a lot like the Packers '24 season, caveats applied, of course.
Drops galore. Bad tackling. Missed assignments.
At some point, those things land on the doorstep of the head coach.
Same with the Lions. Another ugly injury.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 10, 2025, 08:11:51 AMThe Packers opener looked a lot like the Packers '24 season, caveats applied, of course.
Drops galore. Bad tackling. Missed assignments.
At some point, those things land on the doorstep of the head coach.
Unlike many, I think MLF is on the hot seat this year. 1-5 in the division isn't gonna cut it again. Nor would another 3rd place. Nor would a lack of improvement from Love.
I think Minnesota and Chicago are going to struggle early. Essentially two rookie QBs. If Detroit can avoid further injuries, they are the best in the north. I think the defense is going to be more aggressive. Offensively, perhaps fewer trick plays (Campbell likes them) but more deep shots. (Morton likes them). If the new starters in the O-line work out, I don't see a drop off. And, I think the defense can win games this season.
I think the Packers are the second best team in the division and a playoff team.
Quote from: Jockey on August 10, 2025, 11:28:14 AMUnlike many, I think MLF is on the hot seat this year. 1-5 in the division isn't gonna cut it again. Nor would another 3rd place. Nor would a lack of improvement from Love.
The excuse for them/him last year was they were ahead of schedule in '23 and '24 was what should have been expected (whatever the hell that means). That means they should be playing for a division title at a minimum this year. Barring massive injuries, anything less ought to have him and the front office on the hot seat.
Yes, but.... I know this is going to shock some people based on my history, but I think Detroit can be better than last season. Honestly, the 3 challenges are
1. How their new guys do on the O-line. Ragnow retiring is the one monkey wrench. Ratledge and Mahogany are the keys.
2. Not having 20+ players on the IR for a lot of the season. To borrow from the GM, nobody gameplans for their 8th defensive end.
3. Managing a brutal schedule.
I do not view the departures of Glenn and Johnson as huge problems.
Quote from: Jockey on August 10, 2025, 11:28:14 AMUnlike many, I think MLF is on the hot seat this year. 1-5 in the division isn't gonna cut it again. Nor would another 3rd place. Nor would a lack of improvement from Love.
Not going to freak out about one preseason game where the regulars just didn't do much. But the lack of discipline across the reserves should be concerning.
Quote from: tower912 on August 10, 2025, 12:54:29 PMYes, but.... I know this is going to shock some people based on my history, but I think Detroit can be better than last season. Honestly, the 3 challenges are
1. How their new guys do on the O-line. Ragnow retiring is the one monkey wrench. Ratledge and Mahogany are the keys.
2. Not having 20+ players on the IR for a lot of the season. To borrow from the GM, nobody gameplans for their 8th defensive end.
3. Managing a brutal schedule.
I do not view the departures of Glenn and Johnson as huge problems.
Agree with all of this about the Lions.
As an aside, we recently saw a house with mahogany floors. Very nice.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 10, 2025, 01:25:54 PMNot going to freak out about one preseason game where the regulars just didn't do much. But the lack of discipline across the reserves should be concerning.
Welcome to Gen Z players
Matthew Golden is getting a lot of love from NFL observers (including from Jordan Love).
I've been saying since before the draft that I thought he was the best WR available. I was hoping the Panthers (who took McMillan #8) would trade down, add assets, and then select Golden.
Quote from: MU82 on August 11, 2025, 11:21:47 AMMatthew Golden is getting a lot of love from NFL observers (including from Jordan Love).
I've been saying since before the draft that I thought he was the best WR available. I was hoping the Panthers (who took McMillan #8) would trade down, add assets, and then select Golden.
Compared to the other WR's on the Packers roster, it's hard not to look good
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 11, 2025, 11:25:54 AMCompared to the other WR's on the Packers roster, it's hard not to look good
Packers have perfected a brand new offensive position called route runners
Big thumbs down to today's story about the GB QB.
Quote from: tower912 on August 12, 2025, 01:40:45 PMBig thumbs down to today's story about the GB QB.
LOL!
Better in August than December
Quote from: tower912 on August 12, 2025, 01:40:45 PMBig thumbs down to today's story about the GB QB.
*Matt Flynn voice* Luckily Malik Willis is the second best qb in the NFC North.
Excellent news. Football doesn't cause injuries despite what the NYT says according to RFK, Jr. Suck on that, Rondale Moore
Damar Hamlin was god trying to remind us that Jesus is our lord and savior
Quote from: Shaka Shart on August 13, 2025, 09:44:52 PMDamar Hamlin was god trying to remind us that Jesus is our lord and savior
RFK, Jr. and Muggsy setting us straight
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 13, 2025, 09:46:16 PMRFK, Jr. and Muggsy setting us straight
Introducing someone to darkness is giving them a concussion
It's good to own an NFL franchise.
https://www.sportico.com/feature/nfl-team-values-ranking-list-1234684165/
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on August 14, 2025, 10:26:22 AMIt's good to own an NFL franchise.
https://www.sportico.com/feature/nfl-team-values-ranking-list-1234684165/
Those rates of return barely beat inflation
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on August 14, 2025, 10:26:22 AMIt's good to own an NFL franchise.
https://www.sportico.com/feature/nfl-team-values-ranking-list-1234684165/
After the Blazers got a $4B+ valuation, as a middling team in smaller market, nothing surprises me.
wow, the Vikings have triggered the snowflake masses for something other than their on-field performance.
https://www.newsweek.com/minnesota-vikings-male-cheerleaders-backlash-maga-conservatives-2113363
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 14, 2025, 11:39:01 AMwow, the Vikings have triggered the snowflake masses for something other than their on-field performance.
https://www.newsweek.com/minnesota-vikings-male-cheerleaders-backlash-maga-conservatives-2113363
Yup. Can't get snowier or flakier than losers who would stop being a fan over that.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 14, 2025, 11:39:01 AMwow, the Vikings have triggered the snowflake masses for something other than their on-field performance.
https://www.newsweek.com/minnesota-vikings-male-cheerleaders-backlash-maga-conservatives-2113363
How am I supposed to jack off to the NFC North now?!
Quote from: Shaka Shart on August 14, 2025, 12:38:48 PMHow am I supposed to jack off to the NFC North now?!
there are 11 other teams that have male cheerleaders, but none in the North, so you'll just have to find another team.
https://sports.yahoo.com/article/12-nfl-teams-adding-male-212045510.html
Quote from: MU82 on August 14, 2025, 12:32:05 PMYup. Can't get snowier or flakier than losers who would stop being a fan over that.
Right?
In college they add a lot with how they toss the girls up in the air. Those guys are fit and smartly spend large amounts of time around cute girls. I've never found male cheerleaders weird.
Wait until they find out Ronald Reagan was a cheerleader in college 🤯
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 14, 2025, 02:11:23 PMWait until they find out Ronald Reagan was a cheerleader in college 🤯
His wife was good for a tumble in her earlier years too
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 14, 2025, 02:10:23 PMRight?
In college they add a lot with how they toss the girls up in the air. Those guys are fit and smartly spend large amounts of time around cute girls. I've never found male cheerleaders weird.
my neighbor in McCormick became a cheerleader sophomore year and the guy elected MUSG president for 1995-96 (who worked the desk at McCormick and looked the other way on Friday afternoons, if you know what I mean) was a cheerleader, and both were jacked. Each of them could rip one of these whining candyasses in half...if they actually had the guts to say to their faces what they say online.
These two for the Vikings seem to be dance team members instead of traditional cheerleaders, to which I say "nice job." That is hard work and takes a high level of fitness and skill. Maybe these whiners are jealous...or are afraid they won't be able to avert their gazes.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on August 14, 2025, 02:16:10 PMHis wife was good for a tumble in her earlier years too
At least she wasn't doing nude modeling
Now I can't really argue when ppl call us the Viqueens
Quote from: Jay Bee on August 14, 2025, 04:12:22 PMNow I can't really argue when ppl call us the Viqueens
Why?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 14, 2025, 11:39:01 AMwow, the Vikings have triggered the snowflake masses for something other than their on-field performance.
https://www.newsweek.com/minnesota-vikings-male-cheerleaders-backlash-maga-conservatives-2113363
Real football fans don't want to see that.
They want to see fit young men in tight pants dashing about and touching each other roughly.
Don't start on the relationship between and QB and his center.
Quote from: tower912 on August 14, 2025, 08:47:50 PMDon't start on the relationship between and QB and his center.
What happens between a QB and the center is between the two of them. Unless it's Rex Grossman, then the defense gets involved.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 14, 2025, 02:30:28 PMmy neighbor in McCormick became a cheerleader sophomore year and the guy elected MUSG president for 1995-96 (who worked the desk at McCormick and looked the other way on Friday afternoons, if you know what I mean) was a cheerleader, and both were jacked. Each of them could rip one of these whining candyasses in half...if they actually had the guts to say to their faces what they say online.
These two for the Vikings seem to be dance team members instead of traditional cheerleaders, to which I say "nice job." That is hard work and takes a high level of fitness and skill. Maybe these whiners are jealous...or are afraid they won't be able to avert their gazes.
Yea, male cheerleaders are usually former HS football players who weren't good enough to play in college but still are jacked and interested in keeping fit and athletic. I actually knew a male cheerleader in college who was an all-conference LB his sophomore year, broke his leg badly and ended his career, but then ended up joining the cheerleading team on recovery.
As for the male dance team members, it certainly doesn't bother me, but I am vaguely curious who its marketed towards/targeted at. Make whatever modern arguments you want about misogyny and the male gaze, but attractive women have been associated with cheering on male athletes for centuries. Its kind of part and parcel with sports, and it helped spawn the athletic and financial opportunities that cheerleading as a sport has become. Maybe its just simply "whoever wants to be on the dance team can be" which is sort of a change from the previous norm, just curious about the social media/marketing angle cause there always is one. Either way, who really cares, its not hurting anyone.
St Johns had an, ahem, larger male on their dance team circa 19-20 and he was hilarious. Like truly good for him, but seeing a bunch of petite 5'2-5'8 dancers and then a 6'2 dude with a bigger build who was VERY dramatic and into every move was just contrast at its finest and very amusing.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 14, 2025, 09:02:11 PMYea, male cheerleaders are usually former HS football players who weren't good enough to play in college but still are jacked and interested in keeping fit and athletic. I actually knew a male cheerleader in college who was an all-conference LB his sophomore year, broke his leg badly and ended his career, but then ended up joining the cheerleading team on recovery.
As for the male dance team members, it certainly doesn't bother me, but I am vaguely curious who its marketed towards/targeted at. Make whatever modern arguments you want about misogyny and the male gaze, but attractive women have been associated with cheering on male athletes for centuries. Its kind of part and parcel with sports, and it helped spawn the athletic and financial opportunities that cheerleading as a sport has become. Maybe its just simply "whoever wants to be on the dance team can be" which is sort of a change from the previous norm, just curious about the social media/marketing angle cause there always is one. Either way, who really cares, its not hurting anyone.
St Johns had an, ahem, larger male on their dance team circa 19-20 and he was hilarious. Like truly good for him, but seeing a bunch of petite 5'2-5'8 dancers and then a 6'2 dude with a bigger build who was VERY dramatic and into every move was just contrast at its finest and very amusing.
If he wanted to stay jacked and fit, he should have taken up something more manly, like pickleball.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 14, 2025, 09:02:11 PMAs for the male dance team members, it certainly doesn't bother me, but I am vaguely curious who its marketed towards/targeted at. Make whatever modern arguments you want about misogyny and the male gaze, but attractive women have been associated with cheering on male athletes for centuries. Its kind of part and parcel with sports, and it helped spawn the athletic and financial opportunities that cheerleading as a sport has become. Maybe its just simply "whoever wants to be on the dance team can be" which is sort of a change from the previous norm, just curious about the social media/marketing angle cause there always is one. Either way, who really cares, its not hurting anyone.
St Johns had an, ahem, larger male on their dance team circa 19-20 and he was hilarious. Like truly good for him, but seeing a bunch of petite 5'2-5'8 dancers and then a 6'2 dude with a bigger build who was VERY dramatic and into every move was just contrast at its finest and very amusing.
I don't think having a male dancer is "marketed" towards anyone.
This must be the guy you were thinking of. There were other men before him on the dance team too. Society has seemed to survive it.
https://www.torchonline.com/features/2017/10/25/meet-matthew-kirschenheiter/
Reverend Shaw "JB" Moore
I'd be interested in what women think of the male dace team members.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 15, 2025, 12:15:45 PMI'd be interested in what women think of the male dace team members.
Statistically less likely to be assaulted by them than by their dentist
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 15, 2025, 12:15:45 PMI'd be interested in what women think of the male dace team members.
here's a quote from the article I linked above:
One of Kirschenheiter's fellow dancers, Natalie Affenita, said she enjoys dancing alongside Kirschenheiter. As a senior on the team, Affenita says she's had the opportunity to dance with a co-ed team twice during her time at St. John's.
"Matt is always encouraging me through the dances and I absolutely love it," Affenita said. "Overall, Matt is an amazing addition to the team and I can't wait to see what the future holds for him."
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 15, 2025, 01:36:17 PMhere's a quote from the article I linked above:
One of Kirschenheiter's fellow dancers, Natalie Affenita, said she enjoys dancing alongside Kirschenheiter. As a senior on the team, Affenita says she's had the opportunity to dance with a co-ed team twice during her time at St. John's.
"Matt is always encouraging me through the dances and I absolutely love it," Affenita said. "Overall, Matt is an amazing addition to the team and I can't wait to see what the future holds for him."
I'm shocked she didn't publicly let loose. smh
This Elgersma guy just has something I like about him that Love and Willis don't. Can't put my finger on it
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 15, 2025, 12:15:45 PMI'd be interested in what women think of the male dace team members.
You and I are both old enough to remember the 1997 movie
The Full Monty. My guess is that the 50 something women who loved that movie will be fantasizing. Those 40 or younger...not so much.
That was a very competent 93 yard drive by Williams.
The Bears are back!! I don't care if it's preseason. Tremendous drive. :)
Quote from: Shaka Shart on August 17, 2025, 07:21:13 PMThat was a very competent 93 yard drive by Williams.
Nah, the Seahawks whooped the Chiefs in pre-season, they are now the favorites for the Super Bowl.
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 17, 2025, 10:00:54 PMNah, the Seahawks whooped the Chiefs in pre-season, they are now the favorites for the Super Bowl.
Their QB lead his team to a 14-3 record, you never know!
Its preseason, so who really cares. But Williams looked great on his drive and I really liked what I saw from Johnson's offense. Couple of small things like some of the crossing route trees, motion before a few running plays, just a few wrinkles that looked VERY different than the past few years. Nice to have some sort of optimism going into the season with tempered expectations.
Quote from: JWags85 on August 18, 2025, 07:50:22 AMIts preseason, so who really cares. But Williams looked great on his drive and I really liked what I saw from Johnson's offense. Couple of small things like some of the crossing route trees, motion before a few running plays, just a few wrinkles that looked VERY different than the past few years. Nice to have some sort of optimism going into the season with tempered expectations.
Ya. But Caleb missed the net during throwing practice
Alexander Mattison -- do we know what surgery he had? I can't find any real news ... "neck surgery" isn't helpful... I'm guessing he may have had a single-level ACDF.. curious if so, and where.
There are examples of athletes coming back after ACDF and doing well.. Peyton Manning at QB.. Mike Alstott at FB.. and me at PB... but... a little unnerving to first take on contact after the surgery.. hope he's all good next season, but really wondering what procedure(s) he had done.
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 18, 2025, 08:03:21 AMYa. But Caleb missed the net during throwing practice
Nets provide stiffer resistance than whatever the Bills threw out there
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 17, 2025, 10:00:54 PMNah, the Seahawks whooped the Chiefs in pre-season, they are now the favorites for the Super Bowl.
Darnold and Seattle's first-string offense looked every bit as sharp during their stint this weekend as Williams and the Bears' offense did. And the Chiefs actually had most of their defensive starters on the field.
But I know this is your schtick, so run with it!
I won't bet you that the Seahawks will make the Super Bowl, but you and I will probably making some kind of wager on them in the weeks ahead. Hopefully it goes as well as the Marquette-Xavier bet that I won! How about who will win more games, Seattle or Green Bay?
Quote from: MU82 on August 18, 2025, 01:45:53 PMDarnold and Seattle's first-string offense looked every bit as sharp during their stint this weekend as Williams and the Bears' offense did. And the Chiefs actually had most of their defensive starters on the field.
But I know this is your schtick, so run with it!
I won't bet you that the Seahawks will make the Super Bowl, but you and I will probably making some kind of wager on them in the weeks ahead. Hopefully it goes as well as the Marquette-Xavier bet that I won! How about who will win more games, Seattle or Green Bay?
"There also was no Chris Jones (K.C.'s three-time All-Pro defensive tackle) as well as two of K.C.'s starting linebackers and neither starting cornerback."
They did whip up on 6/11 of the KC starting defense.
I will take that bet GB more wins than Seahawks. Another beer?
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 18, 2025, 03:13:39 PM"There also was no Chris Jones (K.C.'s three-time All-Pro defensive tackle) as well as two of K.C.'s starting linebackers and neither starting cornerback."
They did whip up on 6/11 of the KC starting defense.
I will take that bet GB more wins than Seahawks. Another beer?
6/11 starters is pretty typical for the second preseason game. The Seahawks only started 7 of their 11, and those starters only played 2 series.
Sure, I like that bet. Though I already owe you a beer (because you bought me one last time just out of the goodness of your heart - thanks!), so it's more of a double-or-nothing wager!
Wait, teams play their starters in the preseason?
Detroit is being very protective. Which they should, considering all of the depth that has gotten injured, as well as leftover injuries from last season.
The Browns are reportedly keeping four QBs on the roster. So basically they have no QBs
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 18, 2025, 03:57:13 PMThe Browns are reportedly keeping four QBs on the roster. So basically they have no QBs
If Goff gets hurt, neither does Detroit.
Quote from: tower912 on August 18, 2025, 04:06:18 PMIf Goff gets hurt, neither does Detroit.
If (insert starting QB's name here) gets hurt, neither does (insert name of injured QB's team here).
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 18, 2025, 03:57:13 PMThe Browns are reportedly keeping four QBs on the roster. So basically they have no QBs
I truly have no idea whats going on in Cleveland with their QBs. Sanders has done everything right, looked good in practice, and played well in his start. Gabriel has been banged up, had some TERRIBLE practices, and looked meh in his start. But he's still competing for the backup job with Pickett and Sanders is behind.
Two of my friends who follow the Browns closely can't remember seeing any blogger/beat reporter praising any single Gabriel practice and said everytime they see him mentioned he's been struggling or hurt. Neither of them understood the pick at the time and thought it was horrible, and both think it feels like CYA to make it seem like Stefanski/the GM didn't completely mess that pick up.
Also wild that they had a successful experienced back up in Huntley that seemingly won't be in the 4 QBs. Makes way more sense to have him in the QB room and have one of the rookies on the PS.
Anthony Richardson must be pretty bad to lose his job to the guy that lost his job to Tommy Cutlets.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 19, 2025, 10:38:50 AMAnthony Richardson must be pretty bad to lose his job to the guy that lost his job to Tommy Cutlets.
Richardson will go down as one of the great draft blunders of all time. The Colts drafted him based on athleticism, not results, accuracy or QB skills. He also has a poor work ethic. He's better off as a receiver.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 19, 2025, 10:54:41 AMRichardson will go down as one of the great draft blunders of all time. The Colts drafted him based on athleticism, not results, accuracy or QB skills. He also has a poor work ethic. He's better off as a receiver.
He's no Tim Tebow
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 19, 2025, 10:56:58 AMHe's no Tim Tebow
For all of Teblow's faults as a pro QB, at least he led his team to the playoffs.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 19, 2025, 11:11:14 AMFor all of Teblow's faults as a pro QB, at least he led his team to the playoffs.
"Led"
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 19, 2025, 11:11:14 AMFor all of Teblow's faults as a pro QB, at least he led his team to the playoffs.
Tebow should have been a FB
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 19, 2025, 10:54:41 AMRichardson will go down as one of the great draft blunders of all time. The Colts drafted him based on athleticism, not results, accuracy or QB skills. He also has a poor work ethic. He's better off as a receiver.
Not really. Pass on Richardson for Will Levis? Or Hendon Hooker? Or Aiden O'Connell? The '23 draft was a horrible QB draft after Stroud.
The Colts had been kicking the can down the road since the Luck the retirement. They desperately needed a young QB, especially after the Matt Ryan disaster. They were in position with the #4 pick and gambled on Richardson due his measurables. Obviously hasn't worked, but I do get the thinking. And, again, it's not like they drafted Richardson and passed on a Mahomes, Josh Allen or Lamar.
Quote from: RJax55 on August 19, 2025, 12:26:28 PMNot really. Pass on Richardson for Will Levis? Or Hendon Hooker? Or Aiden O'Connell? The '23 draft was a horrible QB draft after Stroud.
The Colts had been kicking the can down the road since the Luck the retirement. They desperately needed a young QB, especially after the Matt Ryan disaster. They were in position with the #4 pick and gambled on Richardson due his measurables. Obviously hasn't worked, but I do get the thinking. And, again, it's not like they drafted Richardson and passed on a Mahomes, Josh Allen or Lamar.
you're comparing the #4 pick to second round and later picks? You have to nail the #4 pick and by blowing this one on a guy who during his only season as a starter completed 53% of his passes and was known to have a questionable work ethic, the Colts set themselves back years.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 19, 2025, 11:11:14 AMFor all of Teblow's faults as a pro QB, at least he led his team to the playoffs.
Trent Dilfer led the Ravens to a Super Bowl
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 19, 2025, 01:32:29 PMyou're comparing the #4 pick to second round and later picks? You have to nail the #4 pick and by blowing this one on a guy who during his only season as a starter completed 53% of his passes and was known to have a questionable work ethic, the Colts set themselves back years.
There was no other quarterback available really. And the best player available was likely Jalen Carter, and then??? I know we are only two years in, but that doesn't look like a great draft class.
They took a flyer and it didn't work. At least they are cutting bait and moving on.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 19, 2025, 01:42:32 PMThere was no other quarterback available really. And the best player available was likely Jalen Carter, and then??? I know we are only two years in, but that doesn't look like a great draft class.
They took a flyer and it didn't work. At least they are cutting bait and moving on.
Hope they learned their lesson on drafting someone from Dayton.
Quote from: Pakuni on August 19, 2025, 10:38:50 AMAnthony Richardson must be pretty bad to lose his job to the guy that lost his job to Tommy Cutlets.
That was honestly a pretty savvy signing by Ballard. I don't think Jones is ever gonna be a top 10 QB, but he was coming off a major knee injury on a team that just let their best player go and had their offense skill position relying on rookies and nobodies and with a coach who lost the locker room. He was terrible but so was everything there.
He needed a change of scenery and Indy could be it. I wouldn't be shocked to see him have a decent year.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 19, 2025, 01:42:32 PMThere was no other quarterback available really. And the best player available was likely Jalen Carter, and then??? I know we are only two years in, but that doesn't look like a great draft class.
They took a flyer and it didn't work. At least they are cutting bait and moving on.
Maybe draft a great player who isn't a QB and who can be a stalwart for you for a decade?
Quote from: MU82 on August 19, 2025, 03:47:01 PMMaybe draft a great player who isn't a QB and who can be a stalwart for you for a decade?
As I said, Jalen Carter looks to be the best player that was available at the time. But the rest don't really seem "stalwart-worthy." In retrospect it looks like a pretty weak draft.
Quote from: MU82 on August 19, 2025, 03:47:01 PMMaybe draft a great player who isn't a QB and who can be a stalwart for you for a decade?
What should have the Colts done at QB then? Go with a vet again? They had been trying that with meddling to poor results.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 19, 2025, 03:49:00 PMAs I said, Jalen Carter looks to be the best player that was available at the time. But the rest don't really seem "stalwart-worthy." In retrospect it looks like a pretty weak draft.
Operating in hindsight here, but Witherspoon, Robinson, Carter, Gibbs and Smith-Njigba all look like they'll be pretty nice players for years. IIRC, there was good interest in Richardson because of his athletic ability, so it might have been a great trade-down opportunity for the Colts.
Again, I acknowledge the 20/20 hindsight nature of this kind of discussion.
I will say that I wasn't very happy the Panthers traded so much to move up to draft Young. I'd have rather they had stayed put or traded down and done the best-player-available thing.
Quote from: RJax55 on August 19, 2025, 04:01:25 PMWhat should have the Colts done at QB then? Go with a vet again? They had been trying that with meddling to poor results.
That's what I'd have done, but I just missed the cut on the last round of NFL GM hires! 😎
If I'm drafting a QB that high, I need something less speculative. Plus, 2024 was looking like it would be a good QB draft.
Quote from: MU82 on August 19, 2025, 04:16:22 PMOperating in hindsight here, but Witherspoon, Robinson, Carter, Gibbs and Smith-Njigba all look like they'll be pretty nice players for years. IIRC, there was good interest in Richardson because of his athletic ability, so it might have been a great trade-down opportunity for the Colts.
Again, I acknowledge the 20/20 hindsight nature of this kind of discussion.
I will say that I wasn't very happy the Panthers traded so much to move up to draft Young. I'd have rather they had stayed put or traded down and done the best-player-available thing.
That's what I'd have done, but I just missed the cut on the last round of NFL GM hires! 😎
If I'm drafting a QB that high, I need something less speculative. Plus, 2024 was looking like it would be a good QB draft.
Josh Allen was drafted on measurables. Pat Mahomes was drafted on arm talent. Both were highly speculative picks with college careers that hardily predicted NFL greatness.
The Bills and Chiefs took a leap and it paid off. I can't fault the Colts for doing the same when they absolutely needed a young QB and were in a position to do so.
Quote from: RJax55 on August 19, 2025, 04:01:25 PMWhat should have the Colts done at QB then? Go with a vet again? They had been trying that with meddling to poor results.
They should only spend high draft picks on QBs that won't come to hate football after they're repeatedly beaten into the ground
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 19, 2025, 10:54:41 AMRichardson will go down as one of the great draft blunders of all time. The Colts drafted him based on athleticism, not results, accuracy or QB skills. He also has a poor work ethic. He's better off as a receiver.
Jamarcus Russell. Trey Lance. Mitch Trubiskey.
Lots of draft blunders at QB
Andre Ware. Ryan Leaf.
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 19, 2025, 06:21:05 PMJamarcus Russell. Trey Lance. Mitch Trubiskey.
Lots of draft blunders at QB
Money Mitch does not belong with the other two. He was overdrafted and subpar, sure, but light years ahead of those other two.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 19, 2025, 01:42:32 PMThere was no other quarterback available really. And the best player available was likely Jalen Carter, and then??? I know we are only two years in, but that doesn't look like a great draft class.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 19, 2025, 01:42:32 PMThere was no other quarterback available really. And the best player available was likely Jalen Carter, and then??? I know we are only two years in, but that doesn't look like a great draft class.
They took a flyer and it didn't work. At least they are cutting bait and moving on.
Four of the eight guys drafted after Richardson are already Pro Bowlers.
OOooooo.... a Pro-Bowler!!!!
Quote from: Pakuni on August 19, 2025, 07:04:40 PMMoney Mitch does not belong with the other two. He was overdrafted and subpar, sure, but light years ahead of those other two.
At one time, he was the best QB in the North.
Quote from: RJax55 on August 19, 2025, 04:29:40 PMJosh Allen was drafted on measurables. Pat Mahomes was drafted on arm talent. Both were highly speculative picks with college careers that hardily predicted NFL greatness.
The Bills and Chiefs took a leap and it paid off. I can't fault the Colts for doing the same when they absolutely needed a young QB and were in a position to do so.
Reasonable take.
KC had a fairly reliable veteran who was good enough that Mahomes didn't have to be rushed. Mahomes also was not a top-5 pick. Allen feels like a better comp.
So I get what you're saying, but I didn't love the Richardson pick then and I like it less with hindsight. Maybe he'll be a late bloomer and I'll have to eat crow.
35 quarterbacks have been drafted in the first round the last ten seasons. Only four of these guys have made All-Pro teams: Wentz (lol), Mahomes, Jackson, Allen
A number of others are established starters with their current team. A lot of misses. A lot of TBD.
2015: Winston, Marriota
2016: Goff, Wentz, Lynch
2017: Trubisky, Mahomes, Watson
2018: Mayfield, Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Jackson
2019: Murray, Jones, Haskins
2020: Burrow, Tua, Herbert, Love
2021: Lawrence, Wilson, Lance, Fields, Jones
2022: Pickett
2023: Young, Stroud, Richardson
2024: Williams, Daniels, Maye, Penix, McCarthy, Nix
Quote from: JWags85 on August 18, 2025, 07:50:22 AMIts preseason, so who really cares. But Williams looked great on his drive and I really liked what I saw from Johnson's offense. Couple of small things like some of the crossing route trees, motion before a few running plays, just a few wrinkles that looked VERY different than the past few years. Nice to have some sort of optimism going into the season with tempered expectations.
Kinda weird to show packages and play designs in the preseason, but ymmv
Quote from: Hards Alumni on August 20, 2025, 01:36:39 PMKinda weird to show packages and play designs in the preseason, but ymmv
Agreed, but maybe better than Eberflus who was waiting until the Bears made the Super Bowl to run any packages. The Bears would have hung 60 points on the Chiefs. ;)
Tyson Bagent is the first QB to sign an extension with the Bears since Jay Cutler.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 21, 2025, 10:39:22 AMTyson Bagent is the first QB to sign an extension with the Bears since Jay Cutler.
Can't believe they are willingly risking a quarterback controversy.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 21, 2025, 10:39:22 AMTyson Bagent is the first QB to sign an extension with the Bears since Jay Cutler.
I saw a clip of his press conference. He grew up poor, as did his parents, and he got choked up talking about all the people in his family he could help with his new-found wealth.
Quote from: MU82 on August 21, 2025, 11:26:12 AMI saw a clip of his press conference. He grew up poor, as did his parents, and he got choked up talking about all the people in his family he could help with his new-found wealth.
Ugh. I hate when poor people get money.
Getting pointlessly mad again about the Bears 4th place schedule having them play at Philly, Baltimore, Cincinnati, and Washington.
Multiple brawls in the Packers-Seahawks practice: Link (https://www.jsonline.com/live-story/sports/nfl/packers/2025/08/21/green-bay-packers-seattle-seahawks-joint-practice-live-updates/85746006007/)
Can't wait for the Seattle sportscaster coverage of this....
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 21, 2025, 01:30:12 PMMultiple brawls in the Packers-Seahawks practice: Link (https://www.jsonline.com/live-story/sports/nfl/packers/2025/08/21/green-bay-packers-seattle-seahawks-joint-practice-live-updates/85746006007/)
Can't wait for the Seattle sportscaster coverage of this....
Still some Fail Mary bad blood.
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 21, 2025, 01:30:12 PMMultiple brawls in the Packers-Seahawks practice: Link (https://www.jsonline.com/live-story/sports/nfl/packers/2025/08/21/green-bay-packers-seattle-seahawks-joint-practice-live-updates/85746006007/)
Can't wait for the Seattle sportscaster coverage of this....
You don't have to watch if it aggravates you that much. I get that you're furious that local sports reporting favors the local team, that only happens in Seattle, but just don't watch
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 21, 2025, 01:30:12 PMMultiple brawls in the Packers-Seahawks practice: Link (https://www.jsonline.com/live-story/sports/nfl/packers/2025/08/21/green-bay-packers-seattle-seahawks-joint-practice-live-updates/85746006007/)
Can't wait for the Seattle sportscaster coverage of this....
The Green Bay sportscasters probably will have the exact same take, eh?
Also ... who watches local news in 2025?
Quote from: MU82 on August 21, 2025, 02:35:19 PMThe Green Bay sportscasters probably will have the exact same take, eh?
Also ... who watches local news in 2025?
In the morning for the weather.
Where is the NFLPA in the Micah Parsons-Cowboys tiff? They should be challenging the league hard on this and pushing for Parsons to be an unrestricted FA. Negotiating with players without an agent is a clear violation of league policy. If this isn't the first time Jones has done it, then the NFLPA has failed its members considerably.
Quote from: MU82 on August 21, 2025, 11:26:12 AMI saw a clip of his press conference. He grew up poor, as did his parents, and he got choked up talking about all the people in his family he could help with his new-found wealth.
The NFL loves the dramatic stories around draft time, but his is truly remarkable. Dad didn't have indoor plumbing. Went to a small D2 close to home that hadn't produced an NFL player in 60 years. D2 in general isn't really an NFL developmental ground. He won the D2 Heisman, but that award winner hasn't been an NFL player since Danny Woodhead. But he's persisted despite Chicago being a QB wasteland and has actually turned into a really nice backup. Really easy guy to root for.
Quote from: MU82 on August 21, 2025, 02:35:19 PMThe Green Bay sportscasters probably will have the exact same take, eh?
Also ... who watches local news in 2025?
JB to crank it to the local weather girl
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 22, 2025, 11:25:50 AMJB to crank it to the local weather girl
Highs in the teens, baby!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 22, 2025, 10:20:26 AMWhere is the NFLPA in the Micah Parsons-Cowboys tiff? They should be challenging the league hard on this and pushing for Parsons to be an unrestricted FA. Negotiating with players without an agent is a clear violation of league policy. If this isn't the first time Jones has done it, then the NFLPA has failed its members considerably.
Why do you care so much about two uber rich people's problems?
Ultimately who cares if Jerry is being cheap or Micah is asking for crazy money. I will never live in their privileged worlds and I don't care if they are stressed or feel wronged. These are beyond first world problems.
What's next, a rant about how much it costs to get plates for a Ferrari?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2025, 02:33:56 PMWhy do you care so much about two uber rich people's problems?
Ultimately who cares if Jerry is being cheap or Micah is asking for crazy money. I will never live in their privileged worlds and I don't care if they are stressed or feel wronged. These are beyond first world problems.
What's next, a rant about how much it costs to get plates for a Ferrari?
Because the precedent it sets is utilized to milk every cent out of players who are on minimum contracts trying to make ends meet. The practices trickle down to policy and hurts the ability for players to negotiate
Quote from: Shaka Shart on August 22, 2025, 02:50:37 PMBecause the precedent it sets is utilized to milk every cent out of players who are on minimum contracts trying to make ends meet. The practices trickle down to policy and hurts the ability for players to negotiate
You literally can not "milk" a single cent out of a player on a minimum contract ($840,000).
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2025, 02:33:56 PMWhy do you care so much about two uber rich people's problems?
Ultimately who cares if Jerry is being cheap or Micah is asking for crazy money. I will never live in their privileged worlds and I don't care if they are stressed or feel wronged. These are beyond first world problems.
What's next, a rant about how much it costs to get plates for a Ferrari?
Because I'm rich
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 22, 2025, 10:20:26 AMWhere is the NFLPA in the Micah Parsons-Cowboys tiff? They should be challenging the league hard on this and pushing for Parsons to be an unrestricted FA. Negotiating with players without an agent is a clear violation of league policy. If this isn't the first time Jones has done it, then the NFLPA has failed its members considerably.
If memory serves they're at the strip club
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2025, 02:33:56 PMWhy do you care so much about two uber rich people's problems?
Ultimately who cares if Jerry is being cheap or Micah is asking for crazy money. I will never live in their privileged worlds and I don't care if they are stressed or feel wronged. These are beyond first world problems.
What's next, a rant about how much it costs to get plates for a Ferrari?
Micah has literally not gotten his generational wealth contract. Also, saying "2 uber rich folks" is disingenuous and puts them on the same playing field. Always side with labor.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 22, 2025, 04:10:07 PMMicah has literally not gotten his generational wealth contract. Also, saying "2 uber rich folks" is disingenuous and puts them on the same playing field. Always side with labor.
Yup. Parsons wants a market-rate contract for his skill set and performance level. Jones wants to pay him as much under that level as possible while hoarding as much money as possible.
Quote from: MU82 on August 22, 2025, 04:30:04 PMYup. Parsons wants a market-rate contract for his skill set and performance level. Jones wants to pay him as much under that level as possible while hoarding as much money as possible.
Jones' assertion, that has not been refuted, is he offered him the richest non QB contract ever.
Jones made Dak the highest paid QB when he signed his contract.
I don't like Jerry but he doesn't have a history of being a cheap.
Jerry is stupid rich and Micah could be the highest paid non QB whenever he wants to. Those two have problems 99.999999% of the world wants.
I actually hope they both are stressed, like the rest of us are daily.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2025, 06:44:55 PMJones' assertion, that has not been refuted, is he offered him the richest non QB contract ever.
Jones made Dak the highest paid QB when he signed his contract.
I don't like Jerry but he doesn't have a history of being a cheap.
Jerry is stupid rich and Micah could be the highest paid non QB whenever he wants to. Those two have problems 99.999999% of the world wants.
I actually hope they both are stressed, like the rest of us are daily.
Jerry is breaking NFL rules. He's wrong and Parsons should be an unrestricted free agent.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 22, 2025, 06:52:07 PMJerry is breaking NFL rules. He's wrong and Parsons should be an unrestricted free agent.
Sounds like Parsons needs a new agent. That's on him.
I hope Parsons walks and the Cowboys suck and Jerry looks like a fool. Hopefully someone on Micah's team reads this thread and learns some facts.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2025, 06:44:55 PMJones' assertion, that has not been refuted, is he offered him the richest non QB contract ever.
Jones made Dak the highest paid QB when he signed his contract.
I don't like Jerry but he doesn't have a history of being a cheap.
Jerry is stupid rich and Micah could be the highest paid non QB whenever he wants to. Those two have problems 99.999999% of the world wants.
I actually hope they both are stressed, like the rest of us are daily.
Eventually we'll find out if Jerry was telling the truth.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2025, 06:57:20 PMSounds like Parsons needs a new agent. That's on him.
I hope Parsons walks and the Cowboys suck and Jerry looks like a fool. Hopefully someone on Micah's team reads this thread and learns some facts.
No, that's on Jerry.
Quote from: MU82 on August 22, 2025, 07:06:26 PMEventually we'll find out if Jerry was telling the truth.
Waiting for facts isn't fun. >:(
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2025, 06:57:20 PMSounds like Parsons needs a new agent. That's on him.
I hope Parsons walks and the Cowboys suck and Jerry looks like a fool. Hopefully someone on Micah's team reads this thread and learns some facts.
It is absolutely not on Parsons. Jones knows the rules. Why you are defending a terrible owner?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2025, 02:55:57 PMYou literally can not "milk" a single cent out of a player on a minimum contract ($840,000).
You can if you tug hard enough, if you're into that
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2025, 02:55:57 PMYou literally can not "milk" a single cent out of a player on a minimum contract ($840,000).
You can milk plenty of cents out of their next contract. Think a bit more critically on those statements
Quote from: The Sultan on August 22, 2025, 07:57:21 PMIt is absolutely not on Parsons. Jones knows the rules. Why you are defending a terrible owner?
Why do some people think they are smarter than Micah's representatives?
IMO, I think they are all intelligent grown people that are uber wealthy and arguing over millions of dollars. None of them deserve our sympathy.
If anything, non-Cowboy fans should be enjoying this. Getting worked up over it is a waste of energy.
I am interested in this as it sets the market for Hutchinson.
Quote from: tower912 on August 22, 2025, 08:40:11 PMI am interested in this as it sets the market for Hutchinson.
I'm interested because the NFLPA needs to be stronger than it has been and start fighting back against the owners
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2025, 08:38:12 PMWhy do some people think they are smarter than Micah's representatives?
IMO, I think they are all intelligent grown people that are uber wealthy and arguing over millions of dollars. None of them deserve our sympathy.
If anything, non-Cowboy fans should be enjoying this. Getting worked up over it is a waste of energy.
I'm not sympathetic for either one of them. I hope it lasts all year long. I just don't understand your defense of Jones.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 22, 2025, 09:04:18 PMI'm interested because the NFLPA needs to be stronger than it has been and start fighting back against the owners
That could be valid, but that is decided in the CBA. Micah is only fighting for a slice of a defined pie. More for him is less for others.
Players getting more than 50% of revenue is a valid discussion. But the players keep agreeing to it.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 22, 2025, 09:16:08 PMI'm not sympathetic for either one of them. I hope it lasts all year long. I just don't understand your defense of Jones.
Not so much defending him as much as defending Micah and his people. They are not some poor group of idiots. I'm guessing they know all the rules as well MUScoop does.
Both sides are working on a $100M plus deal. These things take time. But nothing for NFL fans to get mad about.
If anyone is honestly in Micah's corner, then you should applaud Jerry, Micah's value keep going up.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2025, 09:19:47 PMThat could be valid, but that is decided in the CBA. Micah is only fighting for a slice of a defined pie. More for him is less for others.
Players getting more than 50% of revenue is a valid discussion. But the players keep agreeing to it.
It has been decided in the CBA. Jerrah isn't following what is in the CBA.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 22, 2025, 09:30:46 PMNot so much defending him as much as defending Micah and his people. They are not some poor group of idiots. I'm guessing they know all the rules as well MUScoop does.
Both sides are working on a $100M plus deal. These things take time. But nothing for NFL fans to get mad about.
If anyone is honestly in Micah's corner, then you should applaud Jerry, Micah's value keep going up.
Who is mad? Certainly no one here.
But Cowboy fans should be because Jerry seemingly does these things for the clicks instead of running his franchise like a competent football team.
Quote from: The Sultan on August 23, 2025, 09:24:36 AMWho is mad? Certainly no one here.
But Cowboy fans should be because Jerry seemingly does these things for the clicks instead of running his franchise like a competent football team.
I agree that Cowboy fans and players should be mad. They are going to end up paying Micah more and leaving the Cowboys less to spend elsewhere. I'm happy about that.
I predict the big winner, just like with Dak, will be Micah and his agent.
QBs on the move and such:
Vikings sign Carson Wentz, say adios to Sam Howell by dumping him on Philly
Browns trade Kenny Pickett to the Raiders
Lions release Hendon Hooker
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 25, 2025, 07:39:27 PMQBs on the move and such:
Vikings sign Carson Wentz, say adios to Sam Howell by dumping him on Philly
Browns trade Kenny Pickett to the Raiders
Lions release Hendon Hooker
This changes everything.
Quote from: Jockey on August 25, 2025, 07:55:41 PMThis changes everything.
Surprised Hooker isn't in Vegas
Quote from: Jockey on August 25, 2025, 07:55:41 PMThis changes everything.
Hope vegas does the right thing and lets me cancel my super bowl bets.
Giants release Danny Cutlets. Seeing the vibes among Jameis, Dart, and Cutlets, and how good Dart has been so far, I think there's a very good chance that Russ has been the least valuable guy in that QB room. But that's the kind of ish that happens when you have an otherwise lame duck coach.
People say Cutlets is the veal thing!
Rocket has to be furious with the engagement announcement of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 26, 2025, 12:23:06 PMRocket has to be furious with the engagement announcement of Taylor Swift and Travis Kelce
if there was ever a time for them to actually release the epstein list this would be it.
I appreciate the commitment to the bit.
Sounds like Lloyd is probably going on the IR. Chances he hurts something while rehabbing prior to returning after week 4? I'd put it at almost a certainty.
Jon Kuhn stirring up some Packers/Micah Parsons speculation.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 26, 2025, 10:11:16 PMJon Kuhn stirring up some Packers/Micah Parsons speculation.
This man should be run out of town unless this comes to fruition
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 26, 2025, 10:15:38 PMThis man should be run out of town unless this comes to fruition
This has #donedeal written all over it.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 26, 2025, 10:32:42 PMThis has #donedeal written all over it.
I'm ready to be hurt again
I'm sure he'll end up going to the chiefs for a 7th round draft pick.
Quote from: GB Warrior on August 26, 2025, 11:00:47 PMI'm ready to be hurt again
I'm more excited to see the Packer fan sites tell everyone Parsons isn't better than what the Packers already have when they don't get him
Parsons is very good. I see the same articles about how he and Hutchinson would be an unstoppable force. Perhaps, but salary cap issues mean it won't happen for Detroit. Goff, St. Brown, Sewell, Joseph have all gotten paid. Hutchinson is next. Can't afford both.
All noise. He plays for Dallas going forward.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 27, 2025, 06:30:22 AMI'm more excited to see the Packer fan sites tell everyone Parsons isn't better than what the Packers already have when they don't get him
If such sites existed back in 1992: "It's OK that Reggie went to San Francisco. Lester Archambeau is just as good."
Quote from: The Sultan on August 27, 2025, 07:25:54 AMIf such sites existed back in 1992: "It's OK that Reggie went to San Francisco. Lester Archambeau is just as good."
The great white whale this year is "Lukas Van Ness SZN". Color me skeptical
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 27, 2025, 07:40:04 AMThe great white whale this year is "Lukas Van Ness SZN". Color me skeptical
Well Lester ended up being a completely serviceable player after he left Green Bay. So I get the optimism.
Vikings bring back Adam Thielen, send draft picks to Charlotte.
Good move for the Vikings. He's still a good WR and they needed help at the position.
The Panthers, already young, just got younger. Probably an OK move, but time will tell. I'd be happier about their WR room if they had drafted Golden.
Should GB blow up their salary cap and give up a Herschel Walker haul to get Parsons?
Quote from: tower912 on August 28, 2025, 02:01:36 PMShould GB blow up their salary cap and give up a Herschel Walker haul to get Parsons?
Sure. Giving up a Herschel Walker haul helped the 1989-91 Vikings reach new heights!
Quote from: tower912 on August 28, 2025, 02:01:36 PMShould GB blow up their salary cap and give up a Herschel Walker haul to get Parsons?
Salary cap is fine and Gutey would never give up a haul.
Quote from: Jockey on August 28, 2025, 03:32:41 PMSalary cap is fine and Gutey would never give up a haul.
That's what is so strange about this whole thing. It's not that hard to get out from under a bad contract in today's NFL. But I know. Jerry is running a marketing effort disguised as a football team.
Quote from: cheebs09 on August 26, 2025, 10:32:42 PMThis has #donedeal written all over it.
It appears I was wrong.
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LFG
Quote from: Jockey on August 28, 2025, 03:32:41 PMSalary cap is fine and Gutey would never give up a haul.
"At least 2 first round picks"
4yr, $180mil
Quote from: jesmu84 on August 28, 2025, 04:12:05 PM"At least 2 first round picks"
With the way he uses them, that's not much to give up.
Kenny Clark and 2 firsts is it? Sure!
Should make getting to 9-wins easier
You can recreate this version of Kenny in the aggregate. He was a cut candidate after this year.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 28, 2025, 04:17:50 PMKenny Clark and 2 firsts is it? Sure!
Dumping that contract too? My goodness.
Quote from: wadesworld on August 28, 2025, 04:17:50 PMKenny Clark and 2 firsts is it? Sure!
Love it. Clark has been an average guy for a couple years and getting rid of his contract helps a lot.
I thought the whole deal was a pipe dream until I heard Gutey yesterday. Even then, I can't understand why the Cowboys would trade him for 2 late 1st rounders.
Obviously a great trade for the Packers. Both first rounders should be late in the first.
2026 they'll have to most likely do a lot of roster juggling. They can absorb Clark's dead cap and however the Parsons money shakes out (my guess is it'll be heavier in 26-28). I'm sure they're not overly concerned about that right now. This does put a lot of pressure on Jordan Love in '25 & '26 (they'll have a decision to make after the '26 season).
Just an all time poor leverage play by Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Amazingly bad here if that's all they could get for Parsons.
Quote from: Jockey on August 28, 2025, 04:50:48 PMLove it. Clark has been an average guy for a couple years and getting rid of his contract helps a lot.
I thought the whole deal was a pipe dream until I heard Gutey yesterday. Even then, I can't understand why the Cowboys would trade him for 2 late 1st rounders.
Because Jerry Jones has become Al Davis.
Quote from: Dish on August 28, 2025, 04:52:27 PMObviously a great trade for the Packers. Both first rounders should be late in the first.
2026 they'll have to most likely do a lot of roster juggling. They can absorb Clark's dead cap and however the Parsons money shakes out (my guess is it'll be heavier in 26-28). I'm sure they're not overly concerned about that right now. This does put a lot of pressure on Jordan Love in '25 & '26 (they'll have a decision to make after the '26 season).
Just an all time poor leverage play by Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Amazingly bad here if that's all they could get for Parsons.
What did the Bears give up for Mack? That seems like the ask at the least.
Never mind. Not that big a difference in compensation but still not enough, probably
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 28, 2025, 04:55:34 PMWhat did the Bears give up for Mack? That seems like the ask at the least.
Never mind. Not that big a difference in compensation but still not enough, probably
Yeah it's pretty close. But I think the market has gone up. Jerry botched it.
Great deal for the Pack. He's been reliable and very productive. The North is going to be must see TV.
Quote from: Dish on August 28, 2025, 04:52:27 PMObviously a great trade for the Packers. Both first rounders should be late in the first.
2026 they'll have to most likely do a lot of roster juggling. They can absorb Clark's dead cap and however the Parsons money shakes out (my guess is it'll be heavier in 26-28). I'm sure they're not overly concerned about that right now. This does put a lot of pressure on Jordan Love in '25 & '26 (they'll have a decision to make after the '26 season).
Just an all time poor leverage play by Jerry Jones and the Cowboys. Amazingly bad here if that's all they could get for Parsons.
Besides not having to pay Clark next year, they almost assuredly won't be paying Elgton Jenkins (approx. $15m) either.
Quote from: Jockey on August 28, 2025, 07:09:06 PMBesides not having to pay Clark next year, they almost assuredly won't be paying Elgton Jenkins (approx. $15m) either.
Clark will count $17M in dead cap for Green Bay next season.
Quote from: Dish on August 28, 2025, 08:22:56 PMClark will count $17M in dead cap for Green Bay next season.
Right. But that's completely manageable.
Packers could have a decent haul of compensatory picks year after next. The following are free agents with the replacements presumably or potentially already on the roster:
Rasheed Walker
Quay Walker
Doubs
Watson
Malik Willis
Sean Rhyan
Some of those guys won't get paid and or will get signed by GB. And packers will have to sign "someone". But players with decent potential to show out this year and get paid
The Athletic is calling Jones' handling of the entire Parsons situation a "train wreck."
Pretty damn difficult to disagree with that.
Quote from: MU82 on August 29, 2025, 11:37:24 AMThe Athletic is calling Jones' handling of the entire Parsons situation a "train wreck."
Pretty damn difficult to disagree with that.
Love it. Hell of a job Jerry!
Congrats Packer fans.
That sound you heard from Lake Forest was Joe Thuney's pectoral snapping, in anticipation of pass blocking Parsons twice.
unnatural carnal knowledge Jerry Jones with a rusty glockenspiel.
Quote from: MU82 on August 29, 2025, 11:37:24 AMThe Athletic is calling Jones' handling of the entire Parsons situation a "train wreck."
Pretty damn difficult to disagree with that.
Not sure it will add any wins to the Packers this year, not that it matters to you :)
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 29, 2025, 05:33:24 PMNot sure it will add any wins to the Packers this year, not that it matters to you :)
It'll be fascinating to see how they choke in the playoffs this year
Maybe I slept through it, but when did Kenny Clark become a run stopper? I think I e heard that phrase about a dozen times in the last 30 hours.
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 29, 2025, 05:33:24 PMNot sure it will add any wins to the Packers this year, not that it matters to you :)
It's ok if it does. If they can beat the 13 wins our Seahawks are gonna have, good on them!
Quote from: Jockey on August 29, 2025, 06:25:09 PMMaybe I slept through it, but when did Kenny Clark become a run stopper? I think I e heard that phrase about a dozen times in the last 30 hours.
He's always been great against the run. Basically ate two OL bodies against the run in the 3-4 for years.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on August 29, 2025, 06:10:42 PMIt'll be fascinating to see how they choke in the playoffs this year
This is where I am. They didn't change the head coach.
Quote from: BM1090 on August 29, 2025, 07:34:59 PMHe's always been great against the run. Basically ate two OL bodies against the run in the 3-4 for years.
Most of his career the Packers were terrible against the run. Seldom in the top 20.
Quote from: MU82 on August 29, 2025, 06:42:51 PMIt's ok if it does. If they can beat the 13 wins our Seahawks are gonna have, good on them!
13 wins - Ha, Vegas has them at 7.5 :)
You should come out of retirement and write for the Seattle Times...
Quote from: PointWarrior on August 30, 2025, 12:16:07 AM13 wins - Ha, Vegas has them at 7.5 :)
You should come out of retirement and write for the Seattle Times...
So, 15 wins then?
I saw an early line that had GB favored by 2.5 for their season opener.
In The Athletic's annual preseason poll of executives and coaches, 31 of them took part. In response to: "You're starting a franchise from scratch. Who are the top three QBs you'd take?" Lamar Jackson finished ... 5th.
He got only 7 votes, well behind Allen (22), Mahomes (19), Burrow (19) and Daniels (13).
FWIW, voters were asked to consider numerous factors, including age and contract size/status.
The latter led to several young but still unproven QBs making the list, including Maye, Stroud, Nix and Ward.
Receiving zero votes: the last two #1 picks (Young, Williams).
Chase and Garrett were the runaway choices for top (non-QB) offensive player and top defensive player. Abdul Carter was the decisive pick for best rookie.
Asked to name 3 teams that would exceed expectations, the top 5 choices (each with 6-7 votes) were NE, AZ, LV, TB, Sea.
With 16 votes, the Lions were by far the #1 choice to fall short of expectations; Washington was next at 9. No other team received more than 5.
Looking at the Packers schedule, the worst they should be hosting Philly on November 10 is 6-2. If they win their first two at home, then 7-1.
brokeback parsons
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 02, 2025, 12:11:37 PMbrokeback parsons
I thought he was using the injury as a negotiation tool. Guess not; but safe to assume the Packers have certainty that it is a minor issue and he will 100% recover.
https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6584516/2025/09/02/nfl-first-round-quarterback-busts/?source=athletic_pulsenewsletter
This was one of the better Athletic articles that I've read. I know Scoop has debated the value of throwing out a young QB to get game experience vs. letting them develop on the bench for a few years. Here are some perspectives from some pretty famous QBs.
I remain firm in my belief that drafting your next franchise QB a few years before you need him, is the way to go.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 02, 2025, 12:35:55 PMI thought he was using the injury as a negotiation tool. Guess not; but safe to assume the Packers have certainty that it is a minor issue and he will 100% recover.
Packers have a notoriously conservative medical staff (inject all players with horse paste)
Think about who had incentive to talk to Schefter about the injury and very specific treatment. This is a giant CYA for why Parsons will be playing on Sunday.
Quote from: MU82 on September 01, 2025, 10:36:04 AMI
With 16 votes, the Lions were by far the #1 choice to fall short of expectations; Washington was next at 9. No other team received more than 5.
as a Lions fan, considering the brutal schedule, I'm thinking 12-5 is the ceiling for their record, but playoffs regardless.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 02, 2025, 12:11:37 PMbrokeback parsons
Micah Parsons project. Games people play.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 02, 2025, 12:42:07 PMhttps://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6584516/2025/09/02/nfl-first-round-quarterback-busts/?source=athletic_pulsenewsletter
This was one of the better Athletic articles that I've read. I know Scoop has debated the value of throwing out a young QB to get game experience vs. letting them develop on the bench for a few years. Here are some perspectives from some pretty famous QBs.
I remain firm in my belief that drafting your next franchise QB a few years before you need him, is the way to go.
That was a real good article. It confirmed my main belief on this subject: Teams needs to have realistic expectations for their rookie QB. I also know how difficult that must be for lots of coaches.
Ideally, every rookie QB would get the Mahomes treatment. But then a true unicorn like Daniels shows up and that gets owners/GMs/coaches dreaming: "What if I have THAT GUY who can lead us to the promised land as a rookie?" That's dangerous, because it's so unlikely.
Quote from: MU82 on September 02, 2025, 05:52:19 PMThat was a real good article. It confirmed my main belief on this subject: Teams needs to have realistic expectations for their rookie QB. I also know how difficult that must be for lots of coaches.
Ideally, every rookie QB would get the Mahomes treatment. But then a true unicorn like Daniels shows up and that gets owners/GMs/coaches dreaming: "What if I have THAT GUY who can lead us to the promised land as a rookie?" That's dangerous, because it's so unlikely.
For every Daniels there's numerous DEI QBs who live more for the 'gram than they do for the film room 😡
Jalen Carter? WTF?
Wow. Hey, remember when he dropped in the draft due to character concerns?
Boycotting the NFL game because of the DEI quarterbacks
Almost like he didn't plan on playing. Check betting patterns?
Quote from: tower912 on September 04, 2025, 07:34:48 PMWow. Hey, remember when he dropped in the draft due to character concerns?
This.
Quote from: Jockey on September 04, 2025, 07:45:11 PMAlmost like he didn't plan on playing. Check betting patterns?
Sure does look suspicious. Maybe restaurant reservations?
I for one am really impressed by the Cowboys run defense
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 04, 2025, 07:29:45 PMWhat are you a speedometer?
Let's stop with the hyperbole; it's not like he killed someone
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 04, 2025, 07:43:13 PMBoycotting the NFL game because of the DEI quarterbacks
First DEI quarterbacks, now they can't even play in lightening.
Quote from: forgetful on September 04, 2025, 09:29:44 PMFirst DEI quarterbacks, now they can't even play in lightening.
These me-generation "players" would rather bask in the flash of a Snapchat selfie showing gang signs than grinding under the flash of our almighty God's power in the skies.
It makes me sick to my stomach
Quote from: forgetful on September 04, 2025, 09:29:44 PMFirst DEI quarterbacks, now they can't even play in lightening.
What a disgrace. It's bad enough they call it "defense" and not war and now they don't play when there's weather in the area. The troops don't stop in bad weather. No wonder the woke NFL is doomed
Pretty sure I even saw a quarterback kneeling at the end of the game. Thought we finally got rid of kneeling in football.
Quote from: forgetful on September 04, 2025, 09:29:44 PMFirst DEI quarterbacks, now they can't even play in lightening.
What about lightning?
Don't worry guys, Eagles fans and media are now saying it was totally justified cause Dak spit at him first. Yes Dak spit on the ground 10 feet in front of him and not directly onto anybody, but he clearly fired the first shot of salivary violence. Carter is a good guy, he was just defending himself from such an aggressive and malicious onslaught with his own spittle.
Remember when the bears were roasted because they didn't want to draft Carter due to character concerns?
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 05, 2025, 10:06:19 AMRemember when the bears were roasted because they didn't want to draft Carter due to character concerns?
Since entering the league, he's been fine prior to last night. Yeah, it was an absolutely dumb thing to do, but he's still way better than Darnell Wright.
The Bears should have drafted Carter.
ConcreteDigits Lamb cost the Cowboys the game, but at least he accepted responsibility.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 05, 2025, 09:08:01 AMWhat about lightning?
To the Rescue!
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Caleb Williams eviscerated here:
https://www.golongtd.com/p/house-of-dysfunction-part-i-the-curious
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 05, 2025, 05:22:57 PMCaleb Williams eviscerated here:
https://www.golongtd.com/p/house-of-dysfunction-part-i-the-curious
Anthony Richardson gushed about here. *shrugs*
https://www.golongtd.com/p/quarterbacks-of-the-future
The woke NFL playing the Brazilian national anthem?!?!? This is why the league is doomed
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 05, 2025, 07:06:33 PMThe woke NFL playing the Brazilian national anthem?!?!? This is why the league is doomed
Roger is there to enact regime change
Watching sports on stand alone apps sucks.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 05, 2025, 07:12:18 PMRoger is there to enact regime change
Rooting against the Chiefs because Kelce is vaxxed but also cheering for them because Butker knows how to treat women
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 05, 2025, 07:43:57 PMRooting against the Chiefs because Kelce is vaxxed but also cheering for them because Butker knows how to treat women
Kelce is marrying a snowflake female that actually works. wtf.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 05, 2025, 09:07:30 PMKelce is marrying a snowflake female that actually works. wtf.
Butker, "wide right, ironically", Rich Eisen
Quote from: JWags85 on September 05, 2025, 09:58:39 AMDon't worry guys, Eagles fans and media are now saying it was totally justified cause Dak spit at him first. Yes Dak spit on the ground 10 feet in front of him and not directly onto anybody, but he clearly fired the first shot of salivary violence. Carter is a good guy, he was just defending himself from such an aggressive and malicious onslaught with his own spittle.
I generally agree with what you are saying, but would argue that Dak was also not in the right, and maybe should see a suspension.
He did spit 10 feet in front of him, but some of the videos I saw show that he locked eyes with Carter, spit in his direction and then smiled/laughed to antagonize him and let him know the gesture was related to him.
Carter's reaction was way over the top and wrong, and he should be suspended, but Dak was no choir boy in the incident either. Both were in the wrong.
I can see Dak getting fined, but not suspended.
No one is getting suspended
Quote from: The Sultan on September 06, 2025, 10:43:01 AMI can see Dak getting fined, but not suspended.
You are right. My call for suspensions was over the top. Neither should get suspensions.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 06, 2025, 10:43:01 AMI can see Dak getting fined, but not suspended.
This could go either way. I hope they find a way to settle this by spitting the difference.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on September 06, 2025, 02:55:35 PMThis could go either way. I hope they find a way to settle this by spitting the difference.
Phlegmatic of you.
Quote from: forgetful on September 06, 2025, 10:38:00 AMI generally agree with what you are saying, but would argue that Dak was also not in the right, and maybe should see a suspension.
He did spit 10 feet in front of him, but some of the videos I saw show that he locked eyes with Carter, spit in his direction and then smiled/laughed to antagonize him and let him know the gesture was related to him.
Carter's reaction was way over the top and wrong, and he should be suspended, but Dak was no choir boy in the incident either. Both were in the wrong.
I mean Dak wasn't a innocent angel, but it wasn't a proportionate response at all. And that is what is important to me. Spitting at someone from yards away is not even remotely in the same realm as spitting ON someone.
Up to Carter's escalation, its the kind of stuff that happens all the time but most players can handle it and move on. Its like if an NBA player got into a chirp session and made a hand wank gesture and the person he did it too came and smacked him in the head.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 06, 2025, 08:54:25 PMI mean Dak wasn't a innocent angel, but it wasn't a proportionate response at all. And that is what is important to me. Spitting at someone from yards away is not even remotely in the same realm as spitting ON someone.
Up to Carter's escalation, its the kind of stuff that happens all the time but most players can handle it and move on. Its like if an NBA player got into a chirp session and made a hand wank gesture and the person he did it too came and smacked him in the head.
Or actually wanking.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 06, 2025, 08:57:12 PMOr actually wanking.
Is that actually what happened with Reese McGuire?
It's like calling someone a motherf*cker and Delonte West
You would've thought they'd cut the price of NFL RedZone now that they're introducing commercials this year. I'm SHOCKED it's the same price (not really).
Must win game for the Packers today.
Nah. I read that the Lions season is already over because (checking notes)
Ben Johnson was the actual mastermind.
Aaron Glenn was the actual mastermind.
Detroit didn't sign Za'Darius Smith.
Ragnow retired.
Devin Hester thinks the Lions finish last in the NFC North, and gosh darn it, I believe him.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 06, 2025, 11:46:58 AMNo one is getting suspended
If anyone gets suspended for spitting, I may have to start siding with the weirdos who say the NFL has gotten soft.
That's a hell of a pass from a running back vs old Aaron
It's not inconceivable that Miami is the worst team in the AFC.
Big if, but if Rodgers can keep his ego under wraps there's probably not a better combination for him at this point in his career than Tomlin and Arthur Smith.
I'm impressed by Fields' pocket presence and discipline today.
Giants had like 40 dudes in their QB room but Russ was still the best option?
Special teams penalty to negate a nice return. Packers football is back!!
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 07, 2025, 03:27:47 PMSpecial teams penalty to negate a nice return. Packers football is back!!
Packers draw a penalty to get a big punt return on the redo!
Lafleur auditioning for the role of Bears OC with that 3 yard TE around to Kraft.
Oh look a dumb challenge by MLF
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 07, 2025, 03:59:18 PMOh look a dumb challenge by MLF
Packers football is officially back!
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 07, 2025, 03:59:59 PMPackers football is officially back!
m
I'm blaming assistant head coach Rich Bisaccia
Stop the nonsense calls NFL.
Packers player is head butted, so naturally taunting on the Packers.
Going to be insanely inconsistently officiated emphasis.
What exactly qualifies a taunting?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 07, 2025, 04:30:38 PMWhat exactly qualifies a taunting?
I'd taunt the Packers pass rush, tbh
Very obvious the Packers game plan involves picking on Terrion Arnold. Probably taunting.
Lions interior o-line won't want to watch this film
Quote from: tower912 on September 07, 2025, 09:01:33 AMNah. I read that the Lions season is already over because (checking notes)
Ben Johnson was the actual mastermind.
Aaron Glenn was the actual mastermind.
Detroit didn't sign Za'Darius Smith.
Ragnow retired.
Devin Hester thinks the Lions finish last in the NFC North, and gosh darn it, I believe him.
Looks like all of them were right.
I hope we are done with the "both siding" of this trade. This defense is clearly better.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 07, 2025, 05:54:06 PMI hope we are done with the "both siding" of this trade. This defense is clearly better.
the one sack is pretty much already more value than Carolina's gotten out of all the draft picks they used to get Bryce Young.
I had 27-13 for the tiebreaker in the pool.
Only problem is I didn't tie for 1st so it don't matter.
Quote from: PointWarrior on September 07, 2025, 05:53:38 PMLooks like all of them were right.
I probably should have watched.
Wonder if Lamar Jackson will face any punishment for pushing a fan? Was it a kid?
This game just got nuts.
It felt like the Ravens were up 30 like 15 minutes ago.
I think Buffalo has missed all of their 2 pt conversions.
Baltimore should have gone for it.
Quote from: Dish on September 07, 2025, 10:22:59 PMIt felt like the Ravens were up 30 like 15 minutes ago.
It really did seem like they were dominating.
Quote from: Dish on September 07, 2025, 10:30:05 PMBaltimore should have gone for it.
I guess you were right!
Wow.
This reminds me of some of the great Mahomes vs. Allen games of yore.
So Buffalo just went 71 yards, with no timeouts, in less than a minute?
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 07, 2025, 10:36:55 PMSo Buffalo just went 71 yards, with no timeouts, in less than a minute?
Yeah, we've seen that before.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/33138797/twenty-five-points-2-minutes-kansas-city-chiefs-thrilling-victory-buffalo-bills
Crazy still though.
Yikes. Went to bed after Henry's last touchdown.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 08, 2025, 04:52:53 AMYikes. Went to bed after Henry's last touchdown.
DEI QB cost Baltimore
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 08, 2025, 06:10:38 AMDEI QB cost Baltimore
RETVRN!!
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Quote from: The Sultan on September 08, 2025, 06:16:54 AMRETVRN!!
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I haven't seen any scientific proof that cigarettes are harmful.
For Tower:
Where do you lay the responsibility for the Lions pathetic offense? Losing Ben Johnson? GB's defense?
I look at coaching as the main culprit. Especially the game plan. There was never even an attempt to throw the ball downfield. Those 5 yard passes aren't gonna scare any defense.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 08, 2025, 06:50:15 AMI haven't seen any scientific proof that cigarettes are harmful.
It's like smokeable ivermectin.
Quote from: Jockey on September 08, 2025, 09:00:22 AMFor Tower:
Where do you lay the responsibility for the Lions pathetic offense? Losing Ben Johnson? GB's defense?
I look at coaching as the main culprit. Especially the game plan. There was never even an attempt to throw the ball downfield. Those 5 yard passes aren't gonna scare any defense.
Not Tower, but I like the Lions, and I thought the game plan was a direct reaction to some uncertainty on the line.
The way the game played out, it was justified. Once they had to try and stretch, that's when the Packers pass rush crashed the party. The larger problem was red zone failures. Two field goals and a pick. That's the game, especially when you hold GB to 27.
Packers defense played bend but don't break until the Lions had to pass. Credit to them for keeping Detroit in front of them
I would say that's the most swarming defense I've seen from the Packers in awhile. I feel like the quick, short passes that move the chains have killed the Packers in the past, usually involving missed tackles.
I can see why the Lions went with the strategy they did, but I thought the Packers defense played better than in the past. Especially in not allowing YAC.
From The Athletic:
Not only did the Packers start the season 1-0, but their statement victory signified the gap between Green Bay and Detroit, perhaps even Green Bay and the rest of the NFL's elite, has closed.
Gap ... there it is!
https://www.golongtd.com/p/house-of-dysfunction-part-iii-whos
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 08, 2025, 11:04:05 AMhttps://www.golongtd.com/p/house-of-dysfunction-part-iii-whos
Wasn't Dunne the one who wrote the story after McCarthy got fired that mentioned him skipping meetings to get massages?
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 08, 2025, 11:16:15 AMWasn't Dunne the one who wrote the story after McCarthy got fired that mentioned him skipping meetings to get massages?
Yes
Quote from: MU82 on September 08, 2025, 10:23:17 AMFrom The Athletic:
Not only did the Packers start the season 1-0, but their statement victory signified the gap between Green Bay and Detroit, perhaps even Green Bay and the rest of the NFL's elite, has closed.
Gap ... there it is!
Proof that Scoop is the go to place for sports analysis.
As much as it pains me to admit it with every fiber of my soul, Rodgers looked like he turned back the clock 5 years. Couple of those off the back foot/change of platform throws he made were foolish at any age, much less 41.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 08, 2025, 11:04:05 AMhttps://www.golongtd.com/p/house-of-dysfunction-part-iii-whos
Kevin Warren is entertaining.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 08, 2025, 11:21:32 AMAs much as it pains me to admit it with every fiber of my soul, Rodgers looked like he turned back the clock 5 years. Couple of those off the back foot/change of platform throws he made were foolish at any age, much less 41.
He was impressive, but it's early. He also didn't look nearly as mobile as he once was (as one would expect) ... which led to him taking several savage hits. Every NFL player is one hit away from his season ending, but some are more vulnerable than others.
Quote from: MU82 on September 08, 2025, 11:39:09 AMHe was impressive, but it's early. He also didn't look nearly as mobile as he once was (as one would expect) ... which led to him taking several savage hits. Every NFL player is one hit away from his season ending, but some are more vulnerable than others.
Usually, the Steelers don't look very good in September and peak late
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 08, 2025, 11:43:03 AMUsually, the Steelers don't look very good in September and peak late
Usually, though not last season - when they lost their last 4 games, limped into the postseason, and then got crushed by Baltimore.
But I'm not sure that matters any more than their better finishes in previous seasons. FWIW, they haven't won a playoff game since 2016.
Quote from: Jockey on September 08, 2025, 09:00:22 AMFor Tower:
Where do you lay the responsibility for the Lions pathetic offense? Losing Ben Johnson? GB's defense?
I look at coaching as the main culprit. Especially the game plan. There was never even an attempt to throw the ball downfield. Those 5 yard passes aren't gonna scare any defense.
Did not watch the game.
Quote from: Jockey on September 08, 2025, 09:00:22 AMFor Tower:
Where do you lay the responsibility for the Lions pathetic offense? Losing Ben Johnson? GB's defense?
I look at coaching as the main culprit. Especially the game plan. There was never even an attempt to throw the ball downfield. Those 5 yard passes aren't gonna scare any defense.
Not Tower, but as a Lions fan, I'd say it was GB's pass rush taking advantage of the two new starting guards in 2nd year player Christian Mahogany and rookie Tate Rudledge. Goff didn't have time to look downfield very often; he didn't even make a throw to a WR until at least the third drive (ASB).
I don't know if Jaxson Dart is the answer, but I do know it ain't Russ anymore.
Quote from: Jockey on September 08, 2025, 12:45:39 PMGivin' up already? :)
Been to two D2 games to watch my kid in the band. Haven't watched any college or pro games on TV yet. Not feeling it.
Looks like Soldier Field is ready for the season
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 08, 2025, 05:26:44 PMLooks like Soldier Field is ready for the season
The Bears best defender is the turf. Nothing new.
Wow. An opening TD for the Bears? I can't remember the last time that happened.
LOT of game, much less season left but Williams looks markedly different in the pocket IMO. Stepping up properly, moving around well, and that 3rd down throw was absolutely absurd.
Defense looks strong to start. Loved seeing Manning say they even confused him with the zone on 3rd down he thought was man just like McCarthy clearly did.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 08, 2025, 07:44:02 PMLOT of game, much less season left but Williams looks markedly different in the pocket IMO. Stepping up properly, moving around well, and that 3rd down throw was absolutely absurd.
Defense looks strong to start. Loved seeing Manning say they even confused him with the zone on 3rd down he thought was man just like McCarthy clearly did.
They still need to throw the ball down the field. Nothing more infuriating than a backwards pass on 3rd and 3.
Well that toss wasn't great.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 08, 2025, 07:30:03 PMWow. An opening TD for the Bears? I can't remember the last time that happened.
Actually, that was the first time in franchise history.
Things are starting to turn for the worse. The o-line is still problematic.
No run game. Caleb holding onto the ball.
I've seen this movie before
I'm thinking there's a reason Harbaugh didn't let JJ throw the ball en route to a national title.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 08, 2025, 08:16:05 PMNo run game. Caleb holding onto the ball.
I've seen this movie before
Yes
And
Yes
The D has been solid without 2 starting corners.
The Bears should have blocked that punt.
Good grief. Get to the line of scrimmage. WTF?
It's kinda cute to see Bears' fans get excited.
This team cannot run. At all.
Sweet Jesus.
Vikings down 4 after that half?
Advantage Vikings
O/u on amount of games before Jefferson demands a trade?
Absolutely purrid series from the Bears.
Hmm.
Real bad throws there
Have a feeling the all 22 is gonna look real interesting
Quote from: wadesworld on September 08, 2025, 08:18:41 PMI'm thinking there's a reason Harbaugh didn't let JJ throw the ball en route to a national title.
Yes.
KOC and BJ happy with their decisions?
Da Bears. 🐻 🐻 🐻 🐻.
Don't worry, The NFL's best coaching staff per ESPN will get this thing turned around.
Why is that not a fumble?
Uh-Oh.
Double uh-oh.
I've seen this movie before...
Quote from: Dish on September 08, 2025, 09:46:05 PMI've seen this movie before...
Ditto. Not exactly a good series there.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 08, 2025, 09:46:46 PMAnyone?
Never got a look from the other side, but guessing his left hand made contact with him before his right hand punched the ball.
This one of the classic bears games where the defense is dominant for 3 quarters and the offense can't do anything resulting in a come from ahead loss?
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 08, 2025, 09:46:46 PMAnyone?
They said his knee was down before he punched it out.
Garbage call.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 08, 2025, 09:53:04 PMThey said his knee was down before he punched it out.
That doesn't make any sense. You have to be touched down in the NFL
Wheeeeee
Same
Old
Story
Yikes.
This is getting ugly.
Refs with some extraordinarily questionable calls in key moments tonight
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 08, 2025, 10:02:32 PMRefs with some extraordinarily questionable calls in key moments tonight
Well, the pass interference was a joke.
It's a good thing Ben Johnson challenged that non-fumble earlier.
Realistically, other than the 1st drive, the Bears look exactly the same. Which is....ummm.....bad.
Got done w pb league a minute b4 the Jefferson TD. This game has been great! SKOL!
Going to be very difficult for the Bears to score here, unless they can get their defense back onto the field.
Moore wide open there.
I was wrong about Caleb.
Oh....boy.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 08, 2025, 10:13:47 PMI was wrong about Caleb.
Did you also believe he was a "generational talent"?
Vikings had 5 first downs in the first 3 quarters
Can Santos kick it out of the end zone?
Ben is going to find offense is harder when you don't have an OL or any decent RBs
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 08, 2025, 10:18:58 PMDid you also believe he was a "generational talent"?
Generational? No. Good NFL QB? I thought he'd be that.
Unironically the Bears are better off tonight if Anders were the kicker
Only thing that matters there is the clock.
Kick it out of bounds
I guess not.
Quote from: Dish on September 08, 2025, 10:08:30 PMIt's a good thing Ben Johnson challenged that non-fumble earlier.
Seems relevant.
Glancing at the Bears schedule we could be looking at 5 wins or less.
Quote from: Dish on September 08, 2025, 10:25:44 PMSeems relevant.
That challenge/timeout didn't lose them this game
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 08, 2025, 10:24:27 PMOnly thing that matters there is the clock.
Kick it out of bounds
Or kick it short of the landing zone
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 08, 2025, 10:27:13 PMThat challenge/timeout didn't lose them this game
It clear as day was not a fumble. In no way should he have even considered challenging that play.
Quote from: Dish on September 08, 2025, 10:29:35 PMIt clear as day was not a fumble. In no way should he have even considered challenging that play.
My statement stands.
The bears lost this game with or without that TO.
Heck, the Darnell Wright phantom holding call was way more impactful.
If it makes Bears fans feel better, Caleb looks like an all pro running back
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 08, 2025, 10:33:57 PMIf it makes Bears fans feel better, Caleb looks like an all pro running back
Nah. You're confusing him with Justin Fields
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 08, 2025, 10:26:04 PMGlancing at the Bears schedule we could be looking at 5 wins or less.
So you're saying that the Bears will keep Bears-ing.
Jokes and dumb bust talk aside, Williams is improved from last season, without a doubt. How much and how consistent he will be remains to be seen. He missed some throws but he also absolutely made some throws he didn't make last year. He looks much better in the pocket and only took 1 actual sack (the other was the step out of bounds throwing on the run), given the pressure Flores brought, last year he would have taken 5-6.
Choking a game you have very much in hand at home sucks, but much more to build on than last year. Need Roschon and a semi-healthy secondary back in a hurry
Lot of rough nights (Jonah Jackson was money poorly spent months ago and he showed it tonight).
Ben Johnson, I don't know if the stage was too big for him or what, but he was mindless at important moments. How does he not have Santos blatantly kickoff out of bounds at 2:02 in the fourth?
I don't believe Caleb is fixable. The issues that I had with him in his last year at USC keep showing themselves. He's not the guy, and the sooner they realize he's a sunk cost, the better. I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but the eye test just doesn't see it.
Quote from: Dish on September 08, 2025, 10:46:01 PMLot of rough nights (Jonah Jackson was money poorly spent months ago and he showed it tonight).
Ben Johnson, I don't know if the stage was too big for him or what, but he was mindless at important moments. How does he not have Santos blatantly kickoff out of bounds at 2:02 in the fourth?
I don't believe Caleb is fixable. The issues that I had with him in his last year at USC keep showing themselves. He's not the guy, and the sooner they realize he's a sunk cost, the better. I'd love for him to prove me wrong, but the eye test just doesn't see it.
I thought today was progress for Williams against a very good defense. It wasn't a quantum leap but his pocket presence was much improved, and I thought he balanced the quick game with his own desire to extend. You'd hope Johnson feels more comfortable pushing the ball downfield, though. Teams are going to start squating on it until they prove they can throw it (and complete it) deep.
It's week 1. Nothing is real with any degree of certainty.
I agree on Caleb. He can make a few great throws per game, but is sorely lacking in the top 2 qualities for a QB - accuracy and reading defenses.
Some of that guy's passes were waaayy off. A lot of them. Thought the accuracy was scary bad
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 08, 2025, 10:24:27 PMOnly thing that matters there is the clock.
Kick it out of bounds
If you weren't going to kick it out of bounds, they should have went for an onside kick. The alternative (which they took) was at absolute best maybe getting the ball back with 20 seconds.
Really bad coaching at the end. Not to mention a boneheaded challenge that cost one of their TOs.
Quote from: Dish on September 08, 2025, 10:46:01 PMBen Johnson, I don't know if the stage was too big for him or what, but he was mindless at important moments. How does he not have Santos blatantly kickoff out of bounds at 2:02 in the fourth?
I could be mistaken but if they kick OOB, doesn't Minnesota have the option of a rekick?
Speaking of Santos, missing a hugely impactful 50 yard FG on a weekend where guys were pumping in bombs all over the league, and then not having the leg to clear the end zone is yet another issue
Quote from: JWags85 on September 08, 2025, 11:41:16 PMI could be mistaken but if they kick OOB, doesn't Minnesota have the option of a rekick?
Speaking of Santos, missing a hugely impactful 50 yard FG on a weekend where guys were pumping in bombs all over the league, and then not having the leg to clear the end zone is yet another issue
I could be mistaken, but I believe the two options are to either take the ball at the 40, or wherever the ball landed out of bounds.
Outside of their opening offensive drive, the team looked undisciplined and unprepared. My biggest takeaway from this game was how bad Ben Johnson was.
Quote from: forgetful on September 08, 2025, 11:35:22 PMIf you weren't going to kick it out of bounds, they should have went for an onside kick. The alternative (which they took) was at absolute best maybe getting the ball back with 20 seconds.
Really bad coaching at the end. Not to mention a boneheaded challenge that cost one of their TOs.
Yup. Once he blew that time-out with his dopey challenge, leaving him with only one, simple math dictated that he HAD to do an onside kick there. The odds would have been stacked against them anyway, but those decisions left them with no chance.
It was his first game, too. He'll learn.
Good loss for the bears?
Quote from: JWags85 on September 08, 2025, 10:42:55 PMJokes and dumb bust talk aside, Williams is improved from last season, without a doubt. How much and how consistent he will be remains to be seen. He missed some throws but he also absolutely made some throws he didn't make last year. He looks much better in the pocket and only took 1 actual sack (the other was the step out of bounds throwing on the run), given the pressure Flores brought, last year he would have taken 5-6.
Choking a game you have very much in hand at home sucks, but much more to build on than last year. Need Roschon and a semi-healthy secondary back in a hurry
He clearly looked more poised in the pocket. But holy hell his accuracy is a problem. There were a couple times where a simple throw from a clean pocket was an available...and he just couldn't make it.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 09, 2025, 04:32:45 AMGood loss for the bears?
It was. Caleb looked great checking down. O-line looked much improved and the defense was Bears nasty. Head Coach handled the game brilliantly. Just needed Bear weather and the outcome is completely different
Does anyone really understand the new kickoff rule?
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 09, 2025, 08:19:39 AMDoes anyone really understand the new kickoff rule?
Yeah. It's not hard to figure out. Great improvement by the way.
I didn't see the game, but by all accounts above......."The Chicago Bears are on the clock". (3 out of 4 years ain't too shabby)
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 09, 2025, 08:19:39 AMDoes anyone really understand the new kickoff rule?
Yes.
Quote from: MU1in77 on September 09, 2025, 08:19:39 AMDoes anyone really understand the new kickoff rule?
Yes I played Madden once. I'd also learn if I were paid millions to do so
Same old Caleb. Defense collapses against a 1st time QB. Worst leadership - McCaskey, Warren, Poles - in the NFL.
I'd be worried if I were a Bears fan.
Quote from: Jockey on September 09, 2025, 10:15:49 AMSame old Caleb. Defense collapses against a 1st time QB. Worst leadership - McCaskey, Warren, Poles - in the NFL.
I'd be worried if I were a Bears fan.
We just need Bears weather
Quote from: Jockey on September 09, 2025, 10:15:49 AMSame old Caleb. Defense collapses against a 1st time QB. Worst leadership - McCaskey, Warren, Poles - in the NFL.
I'd be worried if I were a Bears fan.
Bears fans gave up worrying years ago. They know what to expect. My Bears' fan BIL could explain this in depth better than I can here.
Can we talk about how much funnier the gaudy Virginia patches were while they were collapsing?
Did anyone catch the bafflingly unnecessary "Open Letter to Fans" from Kevin Warren that Bears SM pushed out about 3 hours before kickoff yesterday?
Drawing attention away from your sh!tty team or drawing attention to yourself? Why not both!
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/open-letter-regarding-arlington-heights-stadium-from-president-ceo-kevin-warren (https://www.chicagobears.com/news/open-letter-regarding-arlington-heights-stadium-from-president-ceo-kevin-warren)
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 09, 2025, 02:02:57 PMCan we talk about how much funnier the gaudy Virginia patches were while they were collapsing?
Sure! I'm not a fan, so why not? Go for it!
The bigger problem is, why does Caleb Williams hate America and will the NFL address his disgraceful behavior disrespecting the country, flag, song and troops? He better be more respectful when we invade Chicago or pay the price
Quote from: barfolomew on September 09, 2025, 02:54:58 PMDid anyone catch the bafflingly unnecessary "Open Letter to Fans" from Kevin Warren that Bears SM pushed out about 3 hours before kickoff yesterday?
Drawing attention away from your sh!tty team or drawing attention to yourself? Why not both!
https://www.chicagobears.com/news/open-letter-regarding-arlington-heights-stadium-from-president-ceo-kevin-warren (https://www.chicagobears.com/news/open-letter-regarding-arlington-heights-stadium-from-president-ceo-kevin-warren)
"the Chicago Bears belong to more than just Chicago. We belong to the entire state of Illinois. The Nation. The World."
Now, THAT is funny. And wrong - he forgot to add 'the Universe'.
Quote from: Jockey on September 09, 2025, 04:30:54 PM"the Chicago Bears belong to more than just Chicago. We belong to the entire state of Illinois. The Nation. The World."
Now, THAT is funny. And wrong - he forgot to add 'the Universe'.
Growing up in the Chicago area, I saw the tag line under the
Chicago Tribune for decades-"World's Greatest Newspaper". And Chicago based Sears owned an AM station--WLS-that stood for World's Largest Store. So...i]not[/i] the universe. ;D
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 09, 2025, 04:05:03 PMThe bigger problem is, why does Caleb Williams hate America and will the NFL address his disgraceful behavior disrespecting the country, flag, song and troops? He better be more respectful when we invade Chicago or pay the price
He. Paints. His. Fingernails.
I simultaneously didn't see enough to get excited, or enough to panic about Caleb Williams last night and the sample size vs a top 5 defense in week one isn't enough to think otherwise.
But part of why we love the NFL is sweeping proclamations by dimwits like myself in week one.
Hell Vikings qb with an absolute cheat code skill position offense managed 143 yards passing vs a secondary half filled with the practice squad and did 110 of those yards in the 4th. It doesn't mean the book is written on him either way as well.
Bears should do the right thing and sign Anders though.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 09, 2025, 08:43:32 PMI simultaneously didn't see enough to get excited, or enough to panic about Caleb Williams last night and the sample size vs a top 5 defense in week one isn't enough to think otherwise.
But part of why we love the NFL is sweeping proclamations by dimwits like myself in week one.
Hell Vikings qb with an absolute cheat code skill position offense managed 143 yards passing vs a secondary half filled with the practice squad and did 110 of those yards in the 4th. It doesn't mean the book is written on him either way as well.
Bears should do the right thing and sign Anders though.
Caleb just needs it to turn to Bears weather
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 10, 2025, 06:24:00 AMCaleb just needs it to turn to Bears weather
His nails will chip
Honestly, the nails concern me more than some of the inaccuracy on the field.
Not because of the nails themselves, cause who gives a crap, let a thousand blossoms bloom. But when you're still trying to prove yourself, battle allegations of being self absorbed or a diva, answer questions and critics about your play, your attitude, your focus, etc... stop going out of your way to draw attention to yourself for off the field things. When you win a stretch of games and have good performances, wear pink cleats a Hello Kitty backpack on the podium, and do promos for your favorite nail salon for all I care. But answer the questions on the field about your job and performance first. The undying motto for the NFL when it comes to players is the one line from the West Wing I retain..."they'll like us when we win".
Quote from: JWags85 on September 10, 2025, 10:29:26 AMHonestly, the nails concern me more than some of the inaccuracy on the field.
Not because of the nails themselves, cause who gives a crap, let a thousand blossoms bloom. But when you're still trying to prove yourself, battle allegations of being self absorbed or a diva, answer questions and critics about your play, your attitude, your focus, etc... stop going out of your way to draw attention to yourself for off the field things. When you win a stretch of games and have good performances, wear pink cleats a Hello Kitty backpack on the podium, and do promos for your favorite nail salon for all I care. But answer the questions on the field about your job and performance first. The undying motto for the NFL when it comes to players is the one line from the West Wing I retain..."they'll like us when we win".
He's been doing the nails thing since high school as a tribute to his mom, who worked as a nail technician. He painted his nails Monday to draw attention to World Suicide Prevention Day ... his nails included the number 988, which is the suicide prevention hotline number, and a purple-and-teal ribbon that symbolizes the suicide prevention cause.
That anyone would find that bothersome is, to me at least, absolutely wild.
Though it is fun to see a bunch of dudes who wouldn't last three plays on an NFL field question the manliness of an actual NFL player because of painted nails.
(That last part isn't directed towards you, Wags, but the general meathead/sports talk radio sphere).
Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2025, 11:04:42 AMHe's been doing the nails thing since high school as a tribute to his mom, who worked as a nail technician. He painted his nails Monday to draw attention to World Suicide Prevention Day ... his nails included the number 988, which is the suicide prevention hotline number, and a purple-and-teal ribbon that symbolizes the suicide prevention cause.
That anyone would find that bothersome is, to me at least, absolutely wild.
Though it is fun to see a bunch of dudes who wouldn't last three plays on an NFL field question the manliness of an actual NFL player because of painted nails.
(That last part isn't directed towards you, Wags, but the general meathead/sports talk radio sphere).
Yea I know the history of it. And its not the first time its caused drama (pretty sure he did F*** Utah) in one of his last USC games. Its not bothersome as whole, it certainly doesn't make him less manly or less of a player,and I obviously don't have an issue calling more attention to mental health and suicide prevention. I just don't want a young embattled QB to make himself even more of a distraction/lightning rod when trying to figure his play out. It would be the same if he was being attention getting with his cleats or something similar.
You can make arguments either way, but no matter how well intentioned, I don't think its out of line to say he's making things more difficult for himself as someone who has been sensitive to noise and criticism in the past and clearly isn't one of those "I just tune everything out" sort of players. Just don't give them extra reasons. I'm sure the connection to famously non controversial Angel Reese didn't help.
Like I said, if he plays like he did the first half of the game on Monday night, this is a non story and goes away. If he plays like he did in the second, its just another point for people/critics/fans to latch onto and question. I just want him to ball out.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 09, 2025, 08:43:32 PMI simultaneously didn't see enough to get excited, or enough to panic about Caleb Williams last night and the sample size vs a top 5 defense in week one isn't enough to think otherwise.
But part of why we love the NFL is sweeping proclamations by dimwits like myself in week one.
Go easy on yourself. We're all idiots here.
Quote from: Jockey on September 10, 2025, 11:35:50 AMGo easy on yourself. We're all idiots here.
It's a shame Herm got banned because deflected a lot of our idiocy with him being wrong about everything
Quote from: JWags85 on September 10, 2025, 11:23:31 AMYea I know the history of it. And its not the first time its caused drama (pretty sure he did F*** Utah) in one of his last USC games. Its not bothersome as whole, it certainly doesn't make him less manly or less of a player,and I obviously don't have an issue calling more attention to mental health and suicide prevention. I just don't want a young embattled QB to make himself even more of a distraction/lightning rod when trying to figure his play out. It would be the same if he was being attention getting with his cleats or something similar.
You can make arguments either way, but no matter how well intentioned, I don't think its out of line to say he's making things more difficult for himself as someone who has been sensitive to noise and criticism in the past and clearly isn't one of those "I just tune everything out" sort of players. Just don't give them extra reasons. I'm sure the connection to famously non controversial Angel Reese didn't help.
Like I said, if he plays like he did the first half of the game on Monday night, this is a non story and goes away. If he plays like he did in the second, its just another point for people/critics/fans to latch onto and question. I just want him to ball out.
Either he can tune out the noise or he can't. He'll get ripped up and down (or praised up and down) on social media whether or not he paints his nails.
"You choke in the clutch ... you make too many mistakes ... you hold on to the ball too long ... you have a losing record ... and you aren't manly because you paint your nails." So he's supposed to stop painting his nails to support whatever cause he wants because some dopes on social media make fun of him? I really don't get the reasoning.
Either he can take the pounding or he can't.
Quote from: MU82 on September 10, 2025, 11:51:58 AMEither he can tune out the noise or he can't. He'll get ripped up and down (or praised up and down) on social media whether or not he paints his nails.
"You choke in the clutch ... you make too many mistakes ... you hold on to the ball too long ... you have a losing record ... and you aren't manly because you paint your nails." So he's supposed to stop painting his nails to support whatever cause he wants because some dopes on social media make fun of him? I really don't get the reasoning.
Either he can take the pounding or he can't.
He should learn from Bears legend, Jim McMahon, not to draw attention to himself and solely focus on winning games.
Quote from: MU82 on September 10, 2025, 11:51:58 AMEither he can take the pounding or he can't.
The nails tell me he can.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 10, 2025, 11:23:31 AMYea I know the history of it. And its not the first time its caused drama (pretty sure he did F*** Utah) in one of his last USC games. Its not bothersome as whole, it certainly doesn't make him less manly or less of a player,and I obviously don't have an issue calling more attention to mental health and suicide prevention. I just don't want a young embattled QB to make himself even more of a distraction/lightning rod when trying to figure his play out. It would be the same if he was being attention getting with his cleats or something similar.
You can make arguments either way, but no matter how well intentioned, I don't think its out of line to say he's making things more difficult for himself as someone who has been sensitive to noise and criticism in the past and clearly isn't one of those "I just tune everything out" sort of players. Just don't give them extra reasons. I'm sure the connection to famously non controversial Angel Reese didn't help.
Like I said, if he plays like he did the first half of the game on Monday night, this is a non story and goes away. If he plays like he did in the second, its just another point for people/critics/fans to latch onto and question. I just want him to ball out.
Did you have a meatball sandwich in your mouth when typing this?
Quote from: JWags85 on September 10, 2025, 11:23:31 AMLike I said, if he plays like he did the first half of the game on Monday night, this is a non story and goes away. If he plays like he did in the second, its just another point for people/critics/fans to latch onto and question. I just want him to ball out.
It's only a story because meatheads make it a story. It has no actual bearing/relevance on what happens on the field.
He could be the most milquetoast person in human history and fans will find some dumb reason to declare his personality/demeanor lacking (see: Daniel Jones, Derek Carr). If not fingernails, it would be something else.
If he plays well, no one will care. Joe Burrow dresses like this (see below), dumped his longtime girlfriend to date models, hobnobs with celebs at the Met Gala, bought a Batman car, etc. ... all of which would have the meatheads questioning his priorities if he played poorly. But he plays well, so all the off-field stuff that would get a lesser player ripped is OK.
I don't think athletes should alter/squelch their personality to appease the sports talk radio guys who are going to rip them regardless.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQP0hm4VlEVtOHnbbOi3ZfnDCdcyN3xibg7Cw&s)
Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2025, 01:22:19 PMIt's only a story because meatheads make it a story. It has no actual bearing/relevance on what happens on the field.
He could be the most milquetoast person in human history and fans will find some dumb reason to declare his personality/demeanor lacking (see: Daniel Jones, Derek Carr). If not fingernails, it would be something else.
If he plays well, no one will care. Joe Burrow dresses like this (see below), dumped his longtime girlfriend to date models, hobnobs with celebs at the Met Gala, bought a Batman car, etc. ... all of which would have the meatheads questioning his priorities if he played poorly. But he plays well, so all the off-field stuff that would get a lesser player ripped is OK.
I don't think athletes should alter/squelch their personality to appease the sports talk radio guys who are going to rip them regardless.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQP0hm4VlEVtOHnbbOi3ZfnDCdcyN3xibg7Cw&s)
Carr's eyeliner?!?!
Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2025, 01:22:19 PMIt's only a story because meatheads make it a story. It has no actual bearing/relevance on what happens on the field.
He could be the most milquetoast person in human history and fans will find some dumb reason to declare his personality/demeanor lacking (see: Daniel Jones, Derek Carr). If not fingernails, it would be something else.
If he plays well, no one will care. Joe Burrow dresses like this (see below), dumped his longtime girlfriend to date models, hobnobs with celebs at the Met Gala, bought a Batman car, etc. ... all of which would have the meatheads questioning his priorities if he played poorly. But he plays well, so all the off-field stuff that would get a lesser player ripped is OK.
I don't think athletes should alter/squelch their personality to appease the sports talk radio guys who are going to rip them regardless.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQP0hm4VlEVtOHnbbOi3ZfnDCdcyN3xibg7Cw&s)
Yeah the more I've thought after rereading what I've posted, it's misguided attribution. I approached it as him doing something attention getting whereas it's the same stuff he's always done, it's not a change in anything. He's not really done anything new to draw attention to himself or cause controversy. It's just critique over Caleb Williams as a whole in response to him not playing well.
I want him to be better, I want him to dial in, that's all the matters. It's easy to try at point fingers are other things that are inhibiting that, but that's just dumb grasping at straws. Short of him getting into some war of attrition with people over it, it really has zero impact on if he succeeds or not.
In more actual football related content, thought this was interesting
https://x.com/fitzmagic_14/status/1965817107670540764?s=46 (https://x.com/fitzmagic_14/status/1965817107670540764?s=46)
And also the PERFECT internet experience with random civilians responding below it saying "well actually you're wrong!" to a discussion of QB mechanics with a 15+ year pro QB
Quote from: JWags85 on September 10, 2025, 01:53:32 PMYeah the more I've thought after rereading what I've posted, it's misguided attribution. I approached it as him doing something attention getting whereas it's the same stuff he's always done, it's not a change in anything. He's not really done anything new to draw attention to himself or cause controversy. It's just critique over Caleb Williams as a whole in response to him not playing well.
I want him to be better, I want him to dial in, that's all the matters. It's easy to try at point fingers are other things that are inhibiting that, but that's just dumb grasping at straws. Short of him getting into some war of attrition with people over it, it really has zero impact on if he succeeds or not.
In more actual football related content, thought this was interesting
https://x.com/fitzmagic_14/status/1965817107670540764?s=46 (https://x.com/fitzmagic_14/status/1965817107670540764?s=46)
And also the PERFECT internet experience with random civilians responding below it saying "well actually you're wrong!" to a discussion of QB mechanics with a 15+ year pro QB
I think it was more of the timing of his progressions. When he saw the defender trigger down, ball needs to come out and EVERY QB should be able to hit that. When he actually released it, it was a very difficult throw. But it didn't have to be.
Williams' performance Monday reminded me some of a young Cam Newton. Could make some spectacular throws and runs, but also prone to spells of inaccuracy and indecision.
If the Bears are lucky, he'll progress the way Newton did. And if they're really lucky, he'll stay healthy for 10+ years (unlike Newton).
Newton also had attention-grabbing stuff going on - the way he dressed, the celebrations, the trash talk, the dopey things he occasionally said, etc. It was "quirky" or "flashy" when he was MVP; it was ripped to shreds when he struggled.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2025, 11:04:42 AMHe's been doing the nails thing since high school as a tribute to his mom,
Forget the nail thing, what baffled me was why (it appeared to me at least) he was wearing purple and yellow earrings while playing the Vikings
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 10, 2025, 02:47:28 PMForget the nail thing, what baffled me was why (it appeared to me at least) he was wearing purple and yellow earrings while playing the Vikings
Maybe he's dating a Vikings' cheerleader
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 10, 2025, 03:31:00 PMMaybe he's dating a Vikings' cheerleader
Periodic reminder ...
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Quote from: Pakuni on September 10, 2025, 03:40:38 PMPeriodic reminder ...
Homophobes should consider a little self-reflection, suggests a new study finding those individuals who are most hostile toward gays and hold strong anti-gay views may themselves have same-sex desires, albeit undercover ones.
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/homophobes-might-be-hidden-homosexuals/
Oh there's NEVER been a doubt about that with this poster.
Some good brand synergies here
https://x.com/depaulathletics/status/1965818901616365681?s=46
Why in the world is Lamar apologizing for his actions in Buffalo? I'd give him AFC player of the week for it.
Quote from: MU82 on September 10, 2025, 02:41:51 PMWilliams' performance Monday reminded me some of a young Cam Newton. Could make some spectacular throws and runs, but also prone to spells of inaccuracy and indecision.
If the Bears are lucky, he'll progress the way Newton did. And if they're really lucky, he'll stay healthy for 10+ years (unlike Newton).
Newton also had attention-grabbing stuff going on - the way he dressed, the celebrations, the trash talk, the dopey things he occasionally said, etc. It was "quirky" or "flashy" when he was MVP; it was ripped to shreds when he struggled.
I'm an outlier here, but I saw a lot of potential/good things in Williams' performance. The negatives in his game reminded me of how lucky the Packers have been in being able to have gifted QBs sit behind MVPs (Favre then Rodgers), where the players could work through weaknesses in their game and decision making before being in the spotlight.
To me, Williams has the skill, the questions become:
1. Will he have an offensive line that can protect him.
2. Will he have a coaching staff, and mentors, that can help him work through his weaknesses and decision making.
3. Will Chicago give him time to learn on the job and grow.
Quote from: forgetful on September 10, 2025, 11:13:04 PMI'm an outlier here, but I saw a lot of potential/good things in Williams' performance. The negatives in his game reminded me of how lucky the Packers have been in being able to have gifted QBs sit behind MVPs (Favre then Rodgers), where the players could work through weaknesses in their game and decision making before being in the spotlight.
To me, Williams has the skill, the questions become:
1. Will he have an offensive line that can protect him.
2. Will he have a coaching staff, and mentors, that can help him work through his weaknesses and decision making.
3. Will Chicago give him time to learn on the job and grow.
1. We'll see.
2. Theoretically, that was one of the big reasons for the coaching change. Johnson's track record, albeit not all that long, suggests that he will have a positive impact on Williams. Then it will be up to Williams to do what he is supposed to do.
3. No.
You notably left out any of Williams' own responsibility here. Lots of QBs who have had "skill" fail in the NFL for a variety of reasons. Some external, such as those you mentioned, but some simply haven't been able to maximize their skill to produce personal and team success.
Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2025, 11:28:48 AM1. We'll see.
2. Theoretically, that was one of the big reasons for the coaching change. Johnson's track record, albeit not all that long, suggests that he will have a positive impact on Williams. Then it will be up to Williams to do what he is supposed to do.
3. No.
You notably left out any of Williams' own responsibility here. Lots of QBs who have had "skill" fail in the NFL for a variety of reasons. Some external, such as those you mentioned, but some simply haven't been able to maximize their skill to produce personal and team success.
IMO, his height is causing him problems in the NFL when in the pocket. I don't believe this was as much of an issue for him at the collegiate level, which is only adding to his transition to the pros.
He has a steep climb to make.
Quote from: MU82 on September 11, 2025, 11:28:48 AM1. We'll see.
2. Theoretically, that was one of the big reasons for the coaching change. Johnson's track record, albeit not all that long, suggests that he will have a positive impact on Williams. Then it will be up to Williams to do what he is supposed to do.
3. No.
You notably left out any of Williams' own responsibility here. Lots of QBs who have had "skill" fail in the NFL for a variety of reasons. Some external, such as those you mentioned, but some simply haven't been able to maximize their skill to produce personal and team success.
You are right on the last points. Skill needs to be developed at all levels, and the most important aspect of translating that skill into performance falls on the shoulders of the individual, not those around them.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 08, 2025, 11:31:05 AMKevin Warren is entertaining.
And now Pritzker has basically killed the idea of property tax relief for the Bears unless they pay off the $500+ million in bonds owed on the current facility.
Somehow, since Warren joined the organization, their negotiating position has gotten worse.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 12:13:18 PMAnd now Pritzker has basically killed the idea of property tax relief for the Bears unless they pay off the $500+ million in bonds owed on the current facility.
Somehow, since Warren joined the organization, their negotiating position has gotten worse.
It's all just negotiating at this point.
Arlington is a #donedeal
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2025, 12:22:55 PMIt's all just negotiating at this point.
Arlington is a #donedeal
Agreed. $500M seems to be treated like a rounding error in Illinois' budgets.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 11, 2025, 12:22:55 PMIt's all just negotiating at this point.
Arlington is a #donedeal
As some of us here said from the beginning.
Warren runs the business side as well as Poles runs the football side.
Great line from The Athletic's Derrick Klassen about Baltimore's history of late-game failures:
"The Ravens are the best team in the league ... until they need to be."
Quote from: The Sultan on September 11, 2025, 12:13:18 PMAnd now Pritzker has basically killed the idea of property tax relief for the Bears unless they pay off the $500+ million in bonds owed on the current facility.
Somehow, since Warren joined the organization, their negotiating position has gotten worse.
Warren has brought me tremendous joy at every step of his employment. Long may he reign.
Packers wearing their all white unis and encouraged fans to do the same. Second consecutive day there's been a white out
Looks like Love has lots of room to throw tonight.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 11, 2025, 06:53:25 PMPackers wearing their all white unis and encouraged fans to do the same. Second consecutive day there's been a white out
Ouch.
1. I hate how Amazon refuses to integrate any real crowd noise into the game
2. What is this camera angle they keep going to in the upper decks of unenthusiastic fans clapping? I'm convinced it's AI.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 11, 2025, 08:14:50 PM1. I hate how Amazon refuses to integrate any real crowd noise into the game
2. What is this camera angle they keep going to in the upper decks of unenthusiastic fans clapping? I'm convinced it's AI.
It's the Gold package
I have no idea what Washington was trying to do on that last drive.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 11, 2025, 08:40:20 PMI have no idea what Washington was trying to do on that last drive.
At least they have 6 timeouts in the second half
2holding penalties from a total blowout.
Quote from: Jockey on September 11, 2025, 08:44:03 PM2holding penalties from a total blowout.
To say nothing of two barely missed deep balls
2nd half problems for MLF.
More concerned with the clock than how well his team is playing.
Anyone notice that the image of the moon they showed was AI modified?
Quote from: Jockey on September 11, 2025, 09:26:42 PM2nd half problems for MLF.
More concerned with the clock than how well his team is playing.
I thought honoring McCarthy last week was a nice touch; saw no need to do it for a whole series tonight
Quote from: forgetful on September 11, 2025, 09:27:20 PMAnyone notice that the image of the moon they showed was AI modified?
yeah they said someone's been on it.
Offense needs some points here.
Great drive
Time to pin your ears back and finish this
Packers look pretty damn good through two weeks. Complete team. Love has taken a step.
Pretty crazy what an effective 4 man rush can do for a defense.
Yeah, they look the part. No reason not to be 7-1 hosting Philly.
I thought kicking the FG was a bad call by MLF.
Shows how much I know.
They just said they put the players with the best hands to get the onside kick.
Never thought someone would say that about Wicks
Green Bay looks great, solid all around, hard to nitpick anything.
What's great about Parsons is he's taking other good players on their defense and making those guys turn into either very good or great players.
Losing Reed sucks a lot. Not because I think they can't cover for him in the short term with Golden, Williams, and Hardman off the practice squad, but their margin for error got a lot smaller for future injuries.
Quote from: Dish on September 12, 2025, 07:12:52 AMGreen Bay looks great, solid all around, hard to nitpick anything.
What's great about Parsons is he's taking other good players on their defense and making those guys turn into either very good or great players.
This. Lets everyone else play a lot more free and fast. LVN, Gary both getting a lot better looks and taking advantage of it. The below average CBs can play aggressive knowing they don't have to cover for long. Parsons is a complete needle mover. It's not just adding a great individual pass rusher (which by itself moves the needle). It's changing the entire way the defense can play. And honestly, the offense, too. Love is making far fewer stupid, "let's see what happens here!" throws. At times last night I thought he threw balls away where he had a chance to hit someone, simply to stay in FG range.
I called Parsons a "chaos agent" last night - and I think that's exactly what he is. At one point the Commanders were double teaming AND chipping him. That throws off the whole offense.
I will also say that Cooper looks like he is at another level too.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 12, 2025, 10:46:41 AMThis. Lets everyone else play a lot more free and fast. LVN, Gary both getting a lot better looks and taking advantage of it. The below average CBs can play aggressive knowing they don't have to cover for long. Parsons is a complete needle mover. It's not just adding a great individual pass rusher (which by itself moves the needle). It's changing the entire way the defense can play. And honestly, the offense, too. Love is making far fewer stupid, "let's see what happens here!" throws. At times last night I thought he threw balls away where he had a chance to hit someone, simply to stay in FG range.
Yeah, other than a few potential arm punts, Love seemed to make some good decisions.
I think we are going to have to realize that Love just isn't that accurate on these deep balls. He was short on a sure TD pass to Golden at one point, and then overthrew him with another. He's only in his third year, but has cut down on his mistakes, and looks better than most NFL quarterbacks. He's not at Favre's or Rodgers' level, and likely will never be, but you can win with him.
I have actually been surprised how good he has been.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 11:06:22 AMI think we are going to have to realize that Love just isn't that accurate on these deep balls. He was short on a sure TD pass to Golden at one point, and then overthrew him with another. He's only in his third year, but has cut down on his mistakes, and looks better than most NFL quarterbacks. He's not at Favre's or Rodgers' level, and likely will never be, but you can win with him.
I have actually been surprised how good he has been.
I think we also have to remember (myself included) that Rodgers was at historic levels of avoiding interceptions. It has definitely skewed my views at times.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 12, 2025, 10:46:41 AMAnd honestly, the offense, too. Love is making far fewer stupid, "let's see what happens here!" throws. At times last night I thought he threw balls away where he had a chance to hit someone, simply to stay in FG range.
This is a really good point. Love looks more comfortable in the pocket (short sample size of two games). I totally agree, I think his mindset in throwing some balls away was "let's take the points and we'll get the ball back quick and find a way to score again".
Parsons is such a game changer for their entire team, completely worth two first round picks that look very much like they'll be in the late 20's or (looks like) 30's. I applaud them for going out and making that move.
The Packers look like a great team with no obvious weaknesses.
Quote from: MU82 on September 12, 2025, 11:53:19 AMThe Packers look like a great team with no obvious weaknesses.
Well, besides kicker
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 10:52:53 AMI called Parsons a "chaos agent" last night - and I think that's exactly what he is. At one point the Commanders were double teaming AND chipping him. That throws off the whole offense.
I will also say that Cooper looks like he is at another level too.
Loved those two playing off each other. Expect to see more of that after the bye.
Would be really cool to see Micah get the obvious holding penalties he draws.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 11:06:22 AMI think we are going to have to realize that Love just isn't that accurate on these deep balls. He was short on a sure TD pass to Golden at one point, and then overthrew him with another. He's only in his third year, but has cut down on his mistakes, and looks better than most NFL quarterbacks. He's not at Favre's or Rodgers' level, and likely will never be, but you can win with him.
I have actually been surprised how good he has been.
Speaks to the overall caliber of NFL QBs.
Generally, like Dak, rated outside of top 10 to begin season. I think he has potential to be borderline top 5, though.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 11:06:22 AMI think we are going to have to realize that Love just isn't that accurate on these deep balls. He was short on a sure TD pass to Golden at one point, and then overthrew him with another. He's only in his third year, but has cut down on his mistakes, and looks better than most NFL quarterbacks. He's not at Favre's or Rodgers' level, and likely will never be, but you can win with him.
I have actually been surprised how good he has been.
He's 27. Think he largely is who he is. And that's fine. Make better decisions, make sure your 'mistakes' are uncatchable by other teams.
Really pleased how they're playing right now. Have to think the run game improves, and if it does, I'm not sure how you stop this team.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 12, 2025, 12:06:02 PMLoved those two playing off each other. Expect to see more of that after the bye.
Would be really cool to see Micah get the obvious holding penalties he draws.
Holding karma is a b****
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 12, 2025, 12:13:50 PMHe's 27. Think he largely is who he is. And that's fine. Make better decisions, make sure your 'mistakes' are uncatchable by other teams.
Really pleased how they're playing right now. Have to think the run game improves, and if it does, I'm not sure how you stop this team.
Bear weather
I hate the Packers, but will say Love looks much better than I expected.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 12, 2025, 11:57:09 AMWell, besides kicker
thats literally the entire league for now though.
Quote from: MU82 on September 12, 2025, 11:53:19 AMThe Packers look like a great team with no obvious weaknesses.
;D
Quote from: The Sultan on September 12, 2025, 10:52:53 AMI called Parsons a "chaos agent" last night - and I think that's exactly what he is. At one point the Commanders were double teaming AND chipping him. That throws off the whole offense.
I will also say that Cooper looks like he is at another level too.
Cooper is a monster. Love that dude.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 11, 2025, 10:20:29 PMThey just said they put the players with the best hands to get the onside kick.
Never thought someone would say that about Wicks
It's only been two games, but he wouldn't be the first person to shake off drop issues after his first couple of years.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 13, 2025, 02:10:29 PMIt's only been two games, but he wouldn't be the first person to shake off drop issues after his first couple of years.
Didn't Davante Adams have drop issues early on in GB?
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 13, 2025, 02:24:55 PMDidn't Davante Adams have drop issues early on in GB?
Yep, brutal sophomore year. Difference for Wicks was this was the rub on him in college. But wouldn't be the first to turn the corner.
Packers defense might be good?
What is your prediction of the total number of wins for the Bears? 4 or 5? 3? Ty. This team has monumental probs and a much tougher schedule than past seasons.
Maybe the Bears read my post, but they still have problems. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 12:16:56 PMMaybe the Bears read my post, but they still have problems. :)
What type of problems?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 14, 2025, 12:27:21 PMWhat type of problems?
Severe problems with offense, defense, special teams, and coaching. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 12:10:04 PMWhat is your prediction of the total number of wins for the Bears? 4 or 5? 3? Ty. This team has monumental probs and a much tougher schedule than past seasons.
I'll go 6. They are the worst team in the division but I think you're underestimating them.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 12:31:17 PMSevere problems with offense, defense, special teams, and coaching. :)
My sources are giving conflicting reports. Can you please follow up with yours and corroborate the reporting
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 12:31:17 PMSevere problems with offense, defense, special teams, and coaching. :)
Well those patches remind me constantly that the bitch ain't one
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 14, 2025, 01:06:58 PMWell those patches remind me constantly that the bitch ain't one
See my banner
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 14, 2025, 01:00:28 PMMy sources are giving conflicting reports. Can you please follow up with yours and corroborate the reporting
Your sources have cataclysmic problems.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 01:08:39 PMYour sources have cataclysmic problems.
Funny, I know for a fact that he gets all his news from NYP and 4chan
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 01:08:39 PMYour sources have cataclysmic problems.
(https://i.pinimg.com/736x/0e/8b/7d/0e8b7d2c53195177a326670609fcb7ea.jpg)
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 14, 2025, 01:09:36 PMFunny, I know for a fact that he gets all his news from NYP and 4chan
Good enough for government work
Need Bears weather
Every time I see Anzalone's name on the screen I think of something that looks similar, but is not that. Maybe you guys are right?
The Bears are definitely Bears-ing.
Glad Ryan Poles got that off-season extension.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on September 14, 2025, 01:22:54 PMThe Bears are definitely Bears-ing.
Glad Ryan Poles got that off-season extension.
Why would Caleb buck the narrative and have a couple nice td drives.
Going from Levis to Ward has to feel good
Bears are bad.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 14, 2025, 02:21:45 PMBears are bad.
Excellent analysis. They're an utter and complete disaster. And the Lions are nowhere near the team they were last season.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 02:29:58 PMExcellent analysis. They're an utter and conplete disaster. And the Lions are nowhere near the team they were last season.
conplete isn't a word
I was told justin fields proved that it was the bears making him bad
This literally looks like a hs team vs a top 20 college team.
Get the Lions outside in Bears weather
Bears had four picks in the top 62 in the draft (including a top ten pick).
Those four picks today:
- 2 healthy scratches
- 3 receiving targets, 1 reception, 5 yards
The Bears, under no pressure whatsoever and a full season still on his contract, gave Ryan Poles a 5 year (!!!!!) extension.
The team has won one game since October 14th, 2024.
Need I say it again?
McCaskey, Warren, Poles.
Worst in the League.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 02:41:14 PMThis literally looks like a hs team vs a top 20 college team.
A better than average HS team though.
Quote from: Dish on September 14, 2025, 03:41:47 PMBears had four picks in the top 62 in the draft (including a top ten pick).
Those four picks today:
- 2 healthy scratches
- 3 receiving targets, 1 reception, 5 yards
The Bears, under no pressure whatsoever and a full season still on his contract, gave Ryan Poles a 5 year (!!!!!) extension.
The team has won one game since October 14th, 2024.
I am asking this in all seriousnes...has Warren actually accomplished anything positive for the Bears?
Brandon Aubrey may be the MVP of the league. Definitely of rhe Cowboys.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 14, 2025, 12:53:23 PMI'll go 6. They are the worst team in the division but I think you're underestimating them.
Well, I hope you're right, but I just don't see it. They have essentially 7 autolosses on the schedule. Will they go 6-2 in the other games?
Quote from: The Sultan on September 14, 2025, 03:57:55 PMI am asking this in all seriousnes...has Warren actually accomplished anything positive for the Bears?
Don't get me started on the dome. Takes away Bears weather
The Sweat deal is looking horrible for Poles.
I'd take Daniels over Caleb. I'd take Maye over Caleb. I'd take Nix over Caleb. By mid-season, I may want Pennix over Caleb.
Poles didn't even look at any one of them.
Quote from: Jockey on September 14, 2025, 05:22:35 PMI'd take Daniels over Caleb. I'd take Maye over Caleb. I'd take Nix over Caleb. By mid-season, I may want Pennix over Caleb.
Poles didn't even look at any one of them.
I'd take anders over Santos
Trevor Lawrence
Bryce Young
Caleb Williams
Cam Ward
Who has the best season?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 14, 2025, 05:31:48 PMTrevor Lawrence
Bryce Young
Caleb Williams
Cam Ward
Who has the best season?
The fact that Lawrence is mentioned at this point in his career is pretty damning.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 14, 2025, 05:36:15 PMThe fact that Lawrence is mentioned at this point in his career is pretty damning.
He wasn't good today against a pretty bad defense
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 14, 2025, 05:31:48 PMTrevor Lawrence
Bryce Young
Caleb Williams
Cam Ward
Who has the best season?
Tim Tebow if he wasn't discriminated against a few years ago
I think it is fair to say the Bears could be on the clock now. Not sure there are more than 3 wins out there for them. 3 wins is definitely #1 pick territory.
Quote from: Jockey on September 14, 2025, 05:22:35 PMI'd take Daniels over Caleb. I'd take Maye over Caleb. I'd take Nix over Caleb. By mid-season, I may want Pennix over Caleb.
Poles didn't even look at any one of them.
How many GMs would have drafted any of those others ahead of Williams?
I don't know, and you don't either, but it's not as if Williams was some wild, out-of-nowhere pick.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 14, 2025, 05:55:06 PMI think it is fair to say the Bears could be on the clock now. Not sure there are more than 3 wins out there for them. 3 wins is definitely #1 pick territory.
Three wins? Sign us up for thet!
Sincerely,
Carolina Panthers fans
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 14, 2025, 05:59:00 PMThree wins? Sign us up for thet!
Sincerely,
Carolina Panthers fans
Yes, my former team looks like the 33rd best in the league. Maybe.
Eagles false start a lot on the Tush Push
Colts win on a untimed FG.
They wierdly settled for a 60 yard field goal, which missed badly, only to get a rekick 15 yards closer because the Broncos trucked the long snapper.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 14, 2025, 06:11:15 PMColts win on a untimed FG.
They wierdly settled for a 60 yard field goal, which missed badly, only to get a rekick 15 yards closer because the Broncos trucked the long snapper.
That was coaching malpractice by the Colts to set up for a 60 yard attempt and they got bailed out by a questionable call. A win is a win
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 14, 2025, 05:31:48 PMTrevor Lawrence
Bryce Young
Caleb Williams
Cam Ward
Who has the best season?
spencer rattler
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 14, 2025, 05:55:06 PMI think it is fair to say the Bears could be on the clock now. Not sure there are more than 3 wins out there for them. 3 wins is definitely #1 pick territory.
Dallas, NOLA, Cleveland, NYG, Pitt and the Browns are what? 50/50? Then you have the 7 no chance in Hell games as well as Cincy and SF. 3 wins seems like a pretty solid prediction.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 14, 2025, 06:02:01 PMEagles false start a lot on the Tush Push
Noticed that and it isn't called.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 06:23:47 PMDallas, NOLA, Cleveland, NYG, Pitt and the Browns are what? 50/50? Then you have the 7 no chance in Hell games as well as Cincy and SF. 3 wins seems like a pretty solid prediction.
The only think worse than the Bears are real world bears, like polar bears which are completely usual animals that need to be introduced to darkness
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 14, 2025, 06:29:31 PMThe only think worse than the Bears are real world bears, like polar bears which are completely usual animals that need to be introduced to darkness
I mean, that's just winter in the Artic Circle.
Quote from: MU82 on September 14, 2025, 05:56:38 PMHow many GMs would have drafted any of those others ahead of Williams?
I don't know, and you don't either, but it's not as if Williams was some wild, out-of-nowhere pick.
Perhaps it was groupthink and anchoring bias at their finest. Preordained #1 pick before the season by every so called draft expert. A no brainer, right?
But I remember the Colts vetting Ryan Leaf the year they drafted Peyton Manning. Due diligence, and what not.
Quote from: MU82 on September 14, 2025, 05:56:38 PMHow many GMs would have drafted any of those others ahead of Williams?
I don't know, and you don't either, but it's not as if Williams was some wild, out-of-nowhere pick.
We don't know. But my point was that I think those other GMs would have at least talked to the other guys that were all expected to go in the 1st round.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 14, 2025, 05:55:06 PMI think it is fair to say the Bears could be on the clock now. Not sure there are more than 3 wins out there for them. 3 wins is definitely #1 pick territory.
They should take Arch. I hear he's the best guy out there and Poles wouldn't have to waste time bringing in other guys.
Bold strategy cotton
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on September 14, 2025, 06:40:09 PMI mean, that's just winter in the Artic Circle.
Uh-Huh. It's all fun and games until polar bears are playing DT. We're talking about a 2,000 pound animal with indescribable physical power. Entire NFL teams would not stand a chance vs a single polar bear. I repeat, one polar bear. They literally could crush them like ants and we have a comedian here mocking their worth. All actual bears should be greatly respected.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 07:54:01 PMUh-Huh. It's all fun and games until polar bears are playing DT. We're talking about a 2,000 pound animal with indescribable physical power. Entire NFL teams would not stand a chance vs a single polar bear. I repeat, one polar bear. They literally could crush them like ants and we have a comedian here mocking their worth. All actual bears should be greatly respected.
A polar bear couldn't beat one human being in anything other than stupidity tests
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 14, 2025, 08:04:47 PMA polar bear couldn't beat one human being in anything other than stupidity tests
I'd like to offer up a couple scoopers that could beat a polar bear in a stupidity test
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 14, 2025, 08:16:26 PMI'd like to offer up a couple scoopers that could beat a polar bear in a stupidity test
No, that's how dumb polar bears are
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 14, 2025, 08:19:19 PMNo, that's how dumb polar bears are
They're actually on par with apes so let's just cut the bshit. They use tools and a number of complex strategies for survival and their day to day needs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 08:26:46 PMThey're actually on par with apes so let's just cut the bshit. They use tools and a number of complex strategies for survival and their day to day needs.
#fakenews
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 08:26:46 PMThey're actually on par with apes so let's just cut the bshit. They use tools and a number of complex strategies for survival and their day to day needs.
bshit isn't a word
I haven't been high on Love, though so far he does look like he's taken a step, but boy am I glad the Packers have him and not JJ McCarthy.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 08:26:46 PMThey're actually on par with apes so let's just cut the bshit. They use tools and a number of complex strategies for survival and their day to day needs.
more like they are tools.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 14, 2025, 09:18:31 PMmore like they are tools.
They have very complex brains. It's quite foolish to disparage them in any way, shape, or form. My suggestion would be to take a step back and learn a bit about their daily routine.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 14, 2025, 09:06:03 PMI haven't been high on Love, though so far he does look like he's taken a step, but boy am I glad the Packers have him and not JJ McCarthy.
Yeah I'm not so sure I explicitly choose him over Williams as some are suggesting.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 14, 2025, 09:46:53 PMYeah I'm not so sure I explicitly choose him over Williams as some are suggesting.
I have ZERO doubt the Vikings would be better with Darnold back, and think Carson Wentz would make this offense look significantly better. That's a big yikes.
Not sure they get through the season without Justin Jefferson asking out.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 14, 2025, 09:46:53 PMYeah I'm not so sure I explicitly choose him over Williams as some are suggesting.
You'll notice that McCarthy was the one guy I
didn't have on my list of guys Poles should have interviewed.
I don't know whether McCarthy will become a good pro; he very well might. But where Kwesi and KOC are in their timelines I'm just not sure why THIS was where they hitched their wagon. Darnold at minimum had a baseline of competence he demonstrated in their scheme in real games. And while I don't think any of them were great, there were legitimate other options on the veteran market.
Hot take: The Vikings are not a good football team.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 14, 2025, 09:06:03 PMI haven't been high on Love, though so far he does look like he's taken a step, but boy am I glad the Packers have him and not JJ McCarthy.
After watching 30+ years of Favre and Rodgers, I can tell you Jordan Love isn't at that level. But he's good enough to win a Super Bowl.
Love can be our Eli Manning or Joe Flacco.
Quote from: Dish on September 14, 2025, 10:19:40 PMHot take: The Vikings are not a good football team.
I really think they may finish below the Bears in the NFC North this year.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 14, 2025, 07:54:01 PMUh-Huh. It's all fun and games until polar bears are playing DT. We're talking about a 2,000 pound animal with indescribable physical power. Entire NFL teams would not stand a chance vs a single polar bear. I repeat, one polar bear. They literally could crush them like ants and we have a comedian here mocking their worth. All actual bears should be greatly respected.
A polar bear wouldn't stand a chance against Ditka. Now, maybe they could take on a mini-Ditka, but a full grown Ditka might be able to take on an entire team of Polar Bears.
In reality, the entire team of Polar Bears may spontaneously organize around Ditka and terrorize the entire NFL.
I thought we wanted to keep politics out of the nfl?
:P
Listening to ESPN radio this evening and they were making the case that Ben Johnson shouldn't be on the hot seat, yet.
Wow, that didn't take long.
Quote from: Dish on September 14, 2025, 10:19:40 PMHot take: The Vikings are not a good football team.
They have some pretty good pieces on both sides of the ball.
Handing the whole operation to a rookie QB who might or might not be any good was an interesting choice. Smacks of O'Connell saying he'll show the world he's so great he'll win with anyone at QB.
The Vikings and Bears doing a massive disservice to their young QBs by having terrible offensive lines.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2025, 06:45:37 AMThe Vikings and Bears doing a massive disservice to their young QBs by having terrible offensive lines.
We have some injuries. I think at full strength theVikings line is decent to solid. SKOL
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on September 14, 2025, 10:36:10 PMAfter watching 30+ years of Favre and Rodgers, I can tell you Jordan Love isn't at that level. But he's good enough to win a Super Bowl.
Love can be our Eli Manning or Joe Flacco.
Jeff Garcia
I don't understand how the Vikings went 14-3, barely missing out on the #1 seed in the NFC, and just let their quarterback walk. I know Darnold is overpaid for what he brings in Seattle, but that contract would have been able to work for Minnesota.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 15, 2025, 07:08:35 AMWe have some injuries. I think at full strength theVikings line is decent to solid. SKOL
Darnold was sacked 48 times last year in the regular season and 9 times in the wild card round. I know Darrisaw has been out since last October but that number is still too high.
McCarthy is supposed to be more mobile but he didn't have a chance last night and the Falcons defense hasn't historically been good at getting to the QB.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2025, 08:11:02 AMDarnold was sacked 48 times last year in the regular season and 9 times in the wild card round. I know Darrisaw has been out since last October but that number is still too high.
McCarthy is supposed to be more mobile but he didn't have a chance last night and the Falcons defense hasn't historically been good at getting to the QB.
We also swapped out C Bradbury and G Ingram with Ryan Kelly (who went out of last night's game) and Will Fries, plus drafted LG Donovan Jackson. Definitely major changes on the line this year.
Hopefully this new interior can figure things out and stay healthy. Don't know if that'll be enough for JJ though. Ugh.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 15, 2025, 08:15:17 AMWe also swapped out C Bradbury and G Ingram with Ryan Kelly (who went out of last night's game) and Will Fries, plus drafted LG Donovan Jackson. Definitely major changes on the line this year.
Hopefully this new interior can figure things out and stay healthy. Don't know if that'll be enough for JJ though. Ugh.
The Packers o-line was straight trash to open '23, so two weeks probably isn't season defining but I'd be pretty discouraged of the changes thus far.
Bengals season over
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 15, 2025, 08:33:10 AMBengals season over
the butterfly effect of Joe burrow voluntarily getting frosted tips is wild
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 15, 2025, 08:36:05 AMthe butterfly effect of Joe burrow voluntarily getting frosted tips is wild
He's going to start painting his nails during his IR stint
Other than Odunze, has Poles made a single good decision during his tenure? Why the H did he get an extension? Ty.
Vikings accidentally drafted Mitch Trubisky
https://x.com/nate_tice/status/1967440184028680558?s=46
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on September 15, 2025, 07:53:50 AMJeff Garcia
That's another comparison I've used, at least in other spaces.
Going from Montana to Young to Garcia is very similar to going from Favre to Rodgers to Love.
https://youtube.com/shorts/YRDtsxe3uGk?si=CM4ZjKaeevQGmLH5
3-17 in the NFC North...
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 15, 2025, 09:20:21 AMOther than Odunze, has Poles made a single good decision during his tenure? Why the H did he get an extension? Ty.
Bad organizations make bad decisions. I'd guess he make about $1M per year so the good news is they can move on from him at anytime. Johnson at $13M/yr, not so easy.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 15, 2025, 07:53:59 AMI don't understand how the Vikings went 14-3, barely missing out on the #1 seed in the NFC, and just let their quarterback walk. I know Darnold is overpaid for what he brings in Seattle, but that contract would have been able to work for Minnesota.
Darnold played well yesterday for the Seahawks. Made one really bad throw that was picked - which is his M.O. - but he otherwise made excellent decisions and accurate throws, and he used his legs to extend numerous plays.
I'm not sure if he's the guy who will get the Seahawks back near the top of the heap, but by today's NFL standards his contract is a bargain.
The two ballyhooed coordinators who left Dan Campbell's coaching staff are a combined 0-4. They lost their Week 2 games by a combined 51 points. New York being New York, Glenn is already being rumored to be on the dreaded hot seat.
Both are first time head coaches hired by teams with sub-standard talent. IMO it is way too early to determine if they have the ability to be an NFL head coach. Dan Campbell went 0-11-1 in his first 12 games.
Travis Kelce wearing a "Free Rashee Rice" shirt yesterday was an interesting choice.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 15, 2025, 11:40:11 AMBoth are first time head coaches hired by teams with sub-standard talent. IMO it is way too early to determine if they have the ability to be an NFL head coach. Dan Campbell went 0-11-1 in his first 12 games.
Oh, I agree totally. But since when does rational thinking enter these kinds of conversations?
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 15, 2025, 11:43:59 AMTravis Kelce wearing a "Free Rashee Rice" shirt yesterday was an interesting choice.
Just catch the effen ball. He makes that catch on the goal line, and the Chiefs might win that game.
For our gambler freinds out there; ESPN seems to be an exceptional and detailed source of advice on betting, See belwo:
Chicago Bears to cover -1.5 (-115) vs. Dallas Cowboys
Seth Walder: We have two data points on the Bears: a loss to the Packers (who look pretty exceptional) and a loss to the Lions (who also lost to the Packers).
Quote from: MU82 on September 15, 2025, 10:52:23 AMDarnold played well yesterday for the Seahawks. Made one really bad throw that was picked - which is his M.O. - but he otherwise made excellent decisions and accurate throws, and he used his legs to extend numerous plays.
I'm not sure if he's the guy who will get the Seahawks back near the top of the heap, but by today's NFL standards his contract is a bargain.
He looked OK against a Steelers' defense that was shredded a week earlier by Justin Fields.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 15, 2025, 01:19:48 PMHe looked OK against a Steelers' defense that was shredded a week earlier by Justin Fields.
He played well.
And yes, the Steelers, who were saying before the season that they might have the best defense in NFL history (seriously, they were saying that), appear to have overstated their greatness.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 15, 2025, 01:10:31 PMFor our gambler freinds out there; ESPN seems to be an exceptional and detailed source of advice on betting, See belwo:
Chicago Bears to cover -1.5 (-115) vs. Dallas Cowboys
Seth Walder: We have two data points on the Bears: a loss to the Packers (who look pretty exceptional) and a loss to the Lions (who also lost to the Packers).
LULZ
Bears haven't played the Packers.
JJ w/an ankle. QB controversy on deck!!!
Quote from: MU82 on September 15, 2025, 01:31:46 PMHe played well.
And yes, the Steelers, who were saying before the season that they might have the best defense in NFL history (seriously, they were saying that), appear to have overstated their greatness.
Agree to disagree, I guess.
Recognizing QB rating isn't everything, among the 28 NFL starting QBs this weekend so far, Darnold ranked 17th.
On the other hand, he was better than week 1, so that's something.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 15, 2025, 01:44:17 PMJJ w/an ankle. QB controversy on deck!!!
Some might say it's afoot.
Can't wait for Wentz to look like a HOF
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on September 15, 2025, 01:32:16 PMLULZ
Bears haven't played the Packers.
Exactly. I wonder if ESPN likes the Expos to win the World Series.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 15, 2025, 11:40:11 AMBoth are first time head coaches hired by teams with sub-standard talent. IMO it is way too early to determine if they have the ability to be an NFL head coach. Dan Campbell went 0-11-1 in his first 12 games.
This is objectively false, as Caleb Williams is in the best position in NFL History for a
rookie QB second-year QB on his 3rd playcaller
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 15, 2025, 03:02:12 PMThis is objectively false, as Caleb Williams is in the best position in NFL History for a rookie QB second-year QB on his 3rd playcaller
The real problem is a supposedly high-end defensive coordinator whose group has given up 73 points in its last five quarters.
And only four teams are spending more on defense this year than the Bears.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 15, 2025, 03:21:04 PMThe real problem is a supposedly high-end defensive coordinator whose group has given up 73 points in its last five quarters.
And only four teams are spending more on defense this year than the Bears.
If only there was a person on staff responsible for such decisions, his process and methods would be highly scrutinized and he would definitely not be given an extension.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 15, 2025, 01:44:17 PMJJ w/an ankle. QB controversy on deck!!!
It doesn't matter who is playing behind that o-line right now.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 15, 2025, 03:39:47 PMIt doesn't matter who is playing behind that o-line right now.
If I were the GM I would have made two priority free agent signings and spent a first rounder on the OL
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 15, 2025, 03:36:58 PMIf only there was a person on staff responsible for such decisions, his process and methods would be highly scrutinized and he would definitely not be given an extension.
If things don't improve, I have a suspicion that Poles will take the fall (rightfully) and then the Bears will have a GM who didn't pick his own HC. The cycle will continue.
Doesn't seem like it's really Monday until Wags posts that he saw some good things from Caleb.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 15, 2025, 03:21:04 PMThe real problem is a supposedly high-end defensive coordinator whose group has given up 73 points in its last five quarters.
And only four teams are spending more on defense this year than the Bears.
Exactly. That was a pathetic defensive performance. Goff had enough time to read War and Peace every time he dropped back. Totally inexcusable.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 15, 2025, 06:42:11 PMExactly. That was a pathetic defensive performance. Goff had enough time to read War and Peace every time he dropped back. Totally inexcusable.
It's very excusable, the excuse being that the Bears don't have many good defensive players.
Quote from: MU82 on September 15, 2025, 06:54:38 PMIt's very excusable, the excuse being that the Bears don't have many good defensive players.
The effort and tenacity weren't there. And if their entire roster sucks, get rid of Poles immediately.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 15, 2025, 05:07:52 PMIf things don't improve, I have a suspicion that Poles will take the fall (rightfully) and then the Bears will have a GM who didn't pick his own HC. The cycle will continue.
It's obviously very early, but selecting a tight end #10 overall is looking more perplexing than on draft night. Especially when that tight end's name isn't Tyler Warren.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 15, 2025, 07:32:59 PMIt's obviously very early, but selecting a tight end #10 overall is looking more perplexing than on draft night. Especially when that tight end's name isn't Tyler Warren.
He'll be really good in Bears weather
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 15, 2025, 06:59:45 PMThe effort and tenacity weren't there.
Sounds like a coaching problem.
Oh well, the Ben Johnson Era had such promise.
Quote from: MU82 on September 15, 2025, 07:40:18 PMOh well, the Ben Johnson Era had such promise.
Funny, nobody ever said "The Ryan Poles era had such promise.".
Quote from: MU82 on September 15, 2025, 07:40:18 PMSounds like a coaching problem.
Oh well, the Ben Johnson Era had such promise.
I've advocated starting over for about a decade.
Reeko loves Poles
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2025, 07:37:53 PMHe'll be really good in Bears weather
Good point. He's from Idaho, where it's, always bear weather.
Quote from: Jay Bee on September 15, 2025, 07:52:33 PMReeko loves Poles
Glad to see the homophobic comments back. Maybe pray for yourself
Looking like a sophomore slump for Stroud on the way with a much tougher schedule than last year.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 15, 2025, 08:20:42 PMLooking like a sophomore slump for Stroud on the way with a much tougher schedule than last year.
I think his sophomore slump was last year.
Oh yikes it's his third season already. I don't know why I was thinking he was a rookie last year. Still not looking great.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 15, 2025, 08:30:04 PMOh yikes it's his third season already. I don't know why I was thinking he was a rookie last year. Still not looking great.
Moves the team 0 yards after a blocked punt. Woof
Should Chubbs have taken a knee on the 1-yard line to run more time off the clock?
Quote from: forgetful on September 15, 2025, 09:04:50 PMShould Chubbs have taken a knee on the 1-yard line to run more time off the clock?
100%. There's no valor in winning by more than the 2 pts you were virtually guaranteed
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 15, 2025, 08:30:04 PMOh yikes it's his third season already. I don't know why I was thinking he was a rookie last year. Still not looking great.
His line is awful. As bad as the Bengals.
Quote from: forgetful on September 15, 2025, 09:04:50 PMShould Chubbs have taken a knee on the 1-yard line to run more time off the clock?
Tampa had all 3 timeouts and the two-minute warning. So that kills maybe 15 seconds, at the risk of allowing them to win with a FG instead of needing a touchdown.
I'm not sure that's a good tradeoff.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 16, 2025, 07:09:38 AMTampa had all 3 timeouts and the two-minute warning. So that kills maybe 15 seconds, at the risk of allowing them to win with a FG instead of needing a touchdown.
I'm not sure that's a good tradeoff.
I agree. Furthermore the defense forced a 4th and 10...only to let Mayfield run for 15 when an LB just let him run right by him.
BTW, I know he's no super-star, but the Browns pulling the plug on him after an injury-riddled down year was really a poor choice. Especially for the likes of Watson.
Seems like the Vikings are rightly just giving JJ time for his manhood to recover
https://x.com/fballanalysisyt/status/1967755739637915965?s=46
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2025, 07:55:56 PMGlad to see the homophobic comments back. Maybe pray for yourself
It's what good christians do
Quote from: The Sultan on September 16, 2025, 07:51:20 AMI agree. Furthermore the defense forced a 4th and 10...only to let Mayfield run for 15 when an LB just let him run right by him.
BTW, I know he's no super-star, but the Browns pulling the plug on him after an injury-riddled down year was really a poor choice. Especially for the likes of Watson.
I was in a text chain with a couple of my Panther-fan friends and they were bemoaning the success of Mayfield and Darnold since the Panthers dumped them.
To which I replied: They are finally having success BECAUSE they got away from the Panthers.
The Browns dumping Mayfield is one of the three best things to happen to him since he entered the NFL. The other two being the Panthers dumping him and him signing with Tampa.
Oh I agree its been great for him. It's just another example of why bad organizations are bad organizations.
Coach Ben displeased with practice habits.
Quote from: tower912 on September 17, 2025, 03:40:21 PMCoach Ben displeased with practice habits.
Did he not notice this earlier?
Quote from: tower912 on September 17, 2025, 03:40:21 PMCoach Ben displeased with practice habits.
If only there was something he could do about it.
Quote from: tower912 on September 17, 2025, 03:40:21 PMCoach Ben displeased with practice habits.
Who's the coach of that team? Hasn't he been with them at practice for 2 months now?
I still haven't watched any football on TV. Did the Bears quit on him?
Quote from: tower912 on September 17, 2025, 03:49:58 PMI still haven't watched any football on TV. Did the Bears quit on him?
They look sloppy and out of shape.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 17, 2025, 03:49:09 PMIf only there was something he could do about it.
Looks like he's at the "alert the media" stage of frustration. Things are not going well.
Remember, this is the guy who turned down the Commanders only to join Kevin Warren and Ryan Poles a year later. I question his strategic thinking.
Counterpoint, it's two games in when the prior seasons had very little discipline or consequences, and the first two games were against teams who lost a collective 5 games last year.
Far be it from me to claim he will be successful but Andy Reid's first season taking over the 3-13 eagles with a newly drafted Donovan Mcnabb was...5-11.
Nick Sirriani started 2-5, kyle shanahan's first two seasons a combined ten wins.
R E L A X (but also panic because what fun is trusting any process)
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 17, 2025, 05:38:05 PMCounterpoint, it's two games in when the prior seasons had very little discipline or consequences, and the first two games were against teams who lost a collective 5 games last year.
Far be it from me to claim he will be successful but Andy Reid's first season taking over the 3-13 eagles with a newly drafted Donovan Mcnabb was...5-11.
Nick Sirriani started 2-5, kyle shanahan's first two seasons a combined ten wins.
R E L A X (but also panic because what fun is trusting any process)
No doubt. But, Ben has a large hill to climb. This organization is a joke, filled with incompetence at the top.
Quote from: RJax55 on September 17, 2025, 05:42:12 PMNo doubt. But, Ben has a large hill to climb. This organization is a joke, filled with incompetence at the top.
Hopefully that statement is "was" (besides Kevin Warren). But it's their burden of proof
I, for one, am glad to hear things from a coach that isn't rainbows/coachspeak
Oh, I like "honesty," too. My issue is that he and his 20+ assistants have had 2 straight months to help their players develop good practice habits.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 17, 2025, 05:38:05 PMCounterpoint, it's two games in when the prior seasons had very little discipline or consequences, and the first two games were against teams who lost a collective 5 games last year.
Far be it from me to claim he will be successful but Andy Reid's first season taking over the 3-13 eagles with a newly drafted Donovan Mcnabb was...5-11.
Nick Sirriani started 2-5, kyle shanahan's first two seasons a combined ten wins.
R E L A X (but also panic because what fun is trusting any process)
I think Johnson definitely can still be a success. I just think they don't look all that prepared coming into the season. Maybe the learning process is longer than I think. Maybe they just need to see some things on tape versus real opponents.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 17, 2025, 05:38:05 PMCounterpoint, it's two games in when the prior seasons had very little discipline or consequences, and the first two games were against teams who lost a collective 5 games last year.
Far be it from me to claim he will be successful but Andy Reid's first season taking over the 3-13 eagles with a newly drafted Donovan Mcnabb was...5-11.
Nick Sirriani started 2-5, kyle shanahan's first two seasons a combined ten wins.
R E L A X (but also panic because what fun is trusting any process)
I know this isn't you thinking that Sirriani had done anything expect allow himself to be dragged to a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer of coaches.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 17, 2025, 07:23:06 PMI think Johnson definitely can still be a success. I just think they don't look all that prepared coming into the season. Maybe the learning process is longer than I think. Maybe they just need to see some things on tape versus real opponents.
I absolutely think Johnson can be an outstanding coach. I just don't think it will be a a Warren/Poles led team.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 17, 2025, 07:38:31 PMI know this isn't you thinking that Sirriani had done anything expect allow himself to be dragged to a Super Bowl. Trent Dilfer of coaches.
If ben johnson wants to allow himself to get dragged to a Super Bowl title or two, that's his business. I won't fault him
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 17, 2025, 09:06:22 PMIf ben johnson wants to allow himself to get dragged to a Super Bowl title or two, that's his business. I won't fault him
The Mccaskeys believe pulling yourself up by your own bootstraps
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 17, 2025, 05:44:00 PMI, for one, am glad to hear things from a coach that isn't rainbows/coachspeak
That's fine, but it's weird for the guy who has more control over practice habits than anyone in the organization to be bemoaning his team's poor practice habits.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 18, 2025, 09:54:17 AMThat's fine, but it's weird for the guy who has more control over practice habits than anyone in the organization to be bemoaning his team's poor practice habits.
I agree with this, but speaking from experience in the business world, changing culture and organizational habits can take longer than you expect. That said, not sure why he'd go public with that.
Is it surprising that an organization led by Kevin Warren has players that think it's ok to not show up for work every day?
So the NFL scored the end of half as an aborted fumble by Josh Allen. Officials let it go and replay assist did nothing.
🤔
Took Bears players all of two weeks to start complaining about the coaches.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G1EENKNXEAAXLYE?format=jpg&name=medium)
Quote from: Pakuni on September 19, 2025, 06:43:43 AMTook Bears players all of two weeks to start complaining about the coaches.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/G1EENKNXEAAXLYE?format=jpg&name=medium)
He complained about the last regime too
Nothing to see here
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 19, 2025, 11:33:09 AMHe complained about the last regime too
Nothing to see here
Well, he was right about the last regime.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 19, 2025, 11:40:48 AMWell, he was right about the last regime.
He had complaints about how the last regime handled his injury status and time off the field.
Guy is an athlete and wants to play.
Team has a resource they want to maximize.
Both are valid
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 18, 2025, 11:10:34 AMIs it surprising that an organization led by Kevin Warren has players that think it's ok to not show up for work every day?
That reminds me of a joke an old MU professor (and Bears fan in Chicago) posted the other day: "Who knew the Bears had so many devout Christians on the team, because a lot of them don't work on the Sabbath."
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 19, 2025, 03:33:30 PMThat reminds me of a joke an old MU professor (and Bears fan in Chicago) posted the other day: "Who knew the Bears had so many devout Christians on the team, because a lot of them don't work on the Sabbath."
LOL.
That might also explain the Badgers on the actual Sabbath (sundown Friday to sundown Saturday)
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 19, 2025, 05:14:04 PMLOL.
That might also explain the Badgers on the actual Sabbath (sundown Friday to sundown Saturday)
There are no Christians in Madison though.
When the tornadoes swept through Chicago a few years ago, emergency managers attempted to have civilians shelter at Soldier Field. They knew there wouldn't be a touch down there.
Jordan Morgan absolutely killing the Packers today.
Wow.
LaFleur masterclass
Pretty pathetic performance today by the offense
Skol!!!
Can stop all the fucking Super Bowl bullshit hype now
That one is on Love.
Quote from: cheebs09 on September 21, 2025, 03:07:27 PMThat one is on Love.
Typical LaFleur team. Dumb penalties, dumb mistakes. That's why this team isn't winning a Super Bowl. Head coach is a clown
I really want those last 3 hours of my life back.
Ultimate choke job. Everyone bears fault here.
Coaches most of all. MLF was brutal and Bisacia was at his normal expected incompetence.
Quote from: Jockey on September 21, 2025, 03:11:17 PMUltimate choke job. Everyone bears fault here.
Coaches most of all. MLF was brutal and Bisacia was at his normal expected incompetence.
Not ready to play. Special teams garbage, procedural penalties. Classic LaFleur.
Wasn't easy, but the Rams sure found a unique way to lose.
I heard Rich Bisaccia is glad Kirk is dead
Little Flower's teams sure crap the bed at crunch time.
Holy crap!! Da Bears.
Ankle injury for Lamb could be interesting going into next week.
Do you think Tom Brady is a good analyst?
A) No
B) No
C) No
D) No
E) No
Maybe he should do lectures on String Theory?
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 21, 2025, 05:32:21 PMDo you think Tom Brady is a good analyst?
A) No
B) No
C) No
D) No
E) No
Maybe he should do lectures on String Theory?
He's great
I guess Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams aren't the worst ever at their jobs, after all.
Quote from: MU82 on September 21, 2025, 06:34:24 PMI guess Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams aren't the worst ever at their jobs, after all.
Thanks to Matt Eberflus.
Packers looked like Charlie near the end.
Quote from: MU82 on September 21, 2025, 06:34:24 PMI guess Ben Johnson and Caleb Williams aren't the worst ever at their jobs, after all.
Caleb had all day to throw the ball and he was accurate for the most part. I thought this was one of the games the Bears could win. I'm not sure they should be acting like they won the superbowl, against a crappy team, but I'll give them an hour or so to celebrate.
Yesss!! Here we go Brownies!
I'm ok not seeing this Chiefs team in primetime or the late afternoon window any more.
Quote from: Dish on September 21, 2025, 08:45:30 PMI'm ok not seeing this Chiefs team in primetime or the late afternoon window any more.
Agree. Amazing that a team with Patrick Mahomes is so boring.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 21, 2025, 07:02:59 PMCaleb had all day to throw the ball and he was accurate for the most part. I thought this was one of the games the Bears could win. I'm not sure they should be acting like they won the superbowl, against a crappy team, but I'll give them an hour or so to celebrate.
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FDJGRz3VUAEnFJS.jpg)
But change Twitter to Muggsy
Remember when C.J. Stroud was gonna be the next superstar QB?
It was likely all window dressing at that point, but holy crap what an awful sequence from Russel Wilson on their second to last possession.
First and goal from the 4 down 13 with 3 min left
-Thrown out of the end zone, Intentional Grounding back 10 yards
-Tentative QB keep for 2 yards
-Thrown out of the back of the end zone
-Thrown out of the back of the end zone
The game is over if you don't score a TD. Take a damn chance. Just laughably bad and passive QB play under pressure
Quote from: MU82 on September 21, 2025, 09:33:38 PMAgree. Amazing that a team with Patrick Mahomes is so boring.
Harrison Butker should be replaced by his wife
Quote from: JWags85 on September 22, 2025, 02:13:42 AMIt was likely all window dressing at that point, but holy crap what an awful sequence from Russel Wilson on their second to last possession.
First and goal from the 4 down 13 with 3 min left
-Thrown out of the end zone, Intentional Grounding back 10 yards
-Tentative QB keep for 2 yards
-Thrown out of the back of the end zone
-Thrown out of the back of the end zone
The game is over if you don't score a TD. Take a damn chance. Just laughably bad and passive QB play under pressure
I don't need to see Russell Wilson play football any longer. He was bad to end his time in Seattle...bad in Denver...bad in Pittsburgh...and now bad in New York.
And how bad is the Dallas pass defense than they allowed him to light them up?
Quote from: The Sultan on September 22, 2025, 07:37:27 AMI don't need to see Russell Wilson play football any longer. He was bad to end his time in Seattle...bad in Denver...bad in Pittsburgh...and now bad in New York.
And how bad is the Dallas pass defense than they allowed him to light them up?
Bad enough that they're about to make the Packers look like Super Bowl favorites again next weekend.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on September 22, 2025, 07:48:34 AMBad enough that they're about to make the Packers look like Super Bowl favorites again next weekend.
Anyone falling for that trap, deserves Lucy pulling the football away.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 22, 2025, 06:16:19 AMHarrison Butker should be replaced by his wife
Barefoot kicker?
As for the Bears, Williams looked good, not great. The defense was good not great. The offense looked NFL caliber but overall I still think they don't appear to have elite talent on either side of the ball.
It feels like Johnson is making progress and already feels like an upgrade from 'Fluse. <the bar is low for Bears fans>.
Williams looked good against a bottom-5 pass rush.
Dak looked ok against a bottom-5 pass rush.
Montez Sweat on pace for 5.5 sacks this season, which would be the same total as last year. Roughly $4.5 million per sack.
And I hope Ben Johnson can coax the Lions' version of Deandre Swift back, because based on his time in Chicago, the next time he breaks first contact will be the first time.
Quote from: barfolomew on September 22, 2025, 10:38:35 AMWilliams looked good against a bottom-5 pass rush.
Dak looked ok against a bottom-5 pass rush.
Montez Sweat on pace for 5.5 sacks this season, which would be the same total as last year. Roughly $4.5 million per sack.
And I hope Ben Johnson can coax the Lions' version of Deandre Swift back, because based on his time in Chicago, the next time he breaks first contact will be the first time.
The game winning pass dropping injury prone version that they replaced with Monygomery and Gibbs at the first opportunity?
Quote from: barfolomew on September 22, 2025, 10:38:35 AMWilliams looked good against a bottom-5 pass rush.
Dak looked ok against a bottom-5 pass rush.
Montez Sweat on pace for 5.5 sacks this season, which would be the same total as last year. Roughly $4.5 million per sack.
And I hope Ben Johnson can coax the Lions' version of Deandre Swift back, because based on his time in Chicago, the next time he breaks first contact will be the first time.
The Sweat trade and subsequent contract look worse by the week. I was hoping last year was an outlier, but outside the eight weeks after the trade, he has always been an average DL player during his career. He's not a disaster but I'd say a C- or D deal.
oh boy the Mopes are back! Can't even have one day to enjoy a nice comfy victory.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 22, 2025, 12:56:03 PMoh boy the Mopes are back! Can't even have one day to enjoy a nice comfy victory.
Your day was yesterday.
Need to have a "next failure up" mentality.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 22, 2025, 12:56:03 PMoh boy the Mopes are back! Can't even have one day to enjoy a nice comfy victory.
While Poles is spending his time planning the parade, the rest of us have to get back to work.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 22, 2025, 01:07:52 PMWhile Poles is spending his time planning the parade, the rest of us have to get back to work.
This isn't the MLB. It is not against the rules to be happy that your team showed positive results and progress even if they are at the lower end of the division currently.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 22, 2025, 01:34:06 PMThis isn't the MLB. It is not against the rules to be happy that your team showed positive results and progress even if they are at the lower end of the division currently.
NO! How will beating Dallas hurt the Bears in the 2026 draft? Think of the draftniks.
I don't want to blame anyone, but Bosa wouldn't have torn his ACL if he had gone to Kirk's memorial service.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 22, 2025, 01:49:03 PMI don't want to blame anyone, but Bosa wouldn't have torn his ACL if he had gone to Kirk's memorial service.
Kirk reincarnated this week after a young 20s dude's projectile was intercepted earlier. Belief in God solidified.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 22, 2025, 01:34:06 PMThis isn't the MLB. It is not against the rules to be happy that your team showed positive results and progress even if they are at the lower end of the division currently.
Can only speak for myself, but I'm seeing progress as Johnson's fingerprints are starting to show up on the product. Fingers crossed.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 22, 2025, 12:56:03 PMoh boy the Mopes are back! Can't even have one day to enjoy a nice comfy victory.
Remarkable really. Last week reactionary people were calling for Bagent and bemoaning Williams as a clear bust. Now after his best game as a pro where he was throwing solid balls all game with a YPA over 10 and no sacks...it's just chalked up to bad defense. Not saying he's finally turned the corner and is ready to be an All Pro, but if you can't enjoy yesterday and be very encouraged by the bounce back progress after a bad week 2, I don't know what to say.
Favorite quip I saw yesterday was that Matt Eberflus finally unlocked Williams
Quote from: JWags85 on September 22, 2025, 04:40:48 PMRemarkable really. Last week reactionary people were calling for Bagent and bemoaning Williams as a clear bust. Now after his best game as a pro where he was throwing solid balls all game with a YPA over 10 and no sacks...it's just chalked up to bad defense. Not saying he's finally turned the corner and is ready to be an All Pro, but if you can't enjoy yesterday and be very encouraged by the bounce back progress after a bad week 2, I don't know what to say.
Favorite quip I saw yesterday was that Matt Eberflus finally unlocked Williams
Two things can be/are true here.
Williams looked good.
Dallas has a remarkably bad pass defense (to wit, Russ put up 450 yards on them).
The Raiders might have some offensive line issues.
Ashton Jeanty rushing yards: 144
Ashton Jeanty yards after contact: 145
Quote from: Pakuni on September 22, 2025, 05:02:09 PMThe Raiders might have some offensive line issues.
Ashton Jeanty rushing yards: 144
Ashton Jeanty yards after contact: 145
:o
Quote from: Pakuni on September 22, 2025, 05:02:09 PMThe Raiders might have some offensive line issues.
Ashton Jeanty rushing yards: 144
Ashton Jeanty yards after contact: 145
Drafting a RB early when you have a bad oline is a choice.
Quote from: Pakuni on September 22, 2025, 04:46:10 PMTwo things can be/are true here.
Williams looked good.
Dallas has a remarkably bad pass defense (to wit, Russ put up 450 yards on them).
I think this pairs with my argument though of the first two weeks, Williams didn't look BAD. He made some mistakes and put up fairly mediocre numbers vs two good to great defenses. But then he absolutely torched a bad defense.
Those two things together to me is encouraging. Good players know how to beat the s*** out of the bad ones (usually).
Quote from: JWags85 on September 22, 2025, 04:40:48 PMRemarkable really. Last week reactionary people were calling for Bagent and bemoaning Williams as a clear bust. Now after his best game as a pro where he was throwing solid balls all game with a YPA over 10 and no sacks...it's just chalked up to bad defense. Not saying he's finally turned the corner and is ready to be an All Pro, but if you can't enjoy yesterday and be very encouraged by the bounce back progress after a bad week 2, I don't know what to say.
Sounds like a lot of Marquette fans after (Joplin, Gold, etc) would have a good game in one of our wins.
In other words ... fans being fans.
Lions moved the ball with ease through the Ravens secondary. It's too bad they didn't have a reliable free agent signing on the field.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 22, 2025, 06:05:44 PMI think this pairs with my argument though of the first two weeks, Williams didn't look BAD. He made some mistakes and put up fairly mediocre numbers vs two good to great defenses. But then he absolutely torched a bad defense.
Those two things together to me is encouraging. Good players know how to beat the s*** out of the bad ones (usually).
Exactly. Especially coming off of a rough week, it was nice to see him do what he was supposed to do and really execute. He looked really good through the scripted plays the first two weeks, which made me hope hes progressing, just gotta be properly comfortable. Hoping yesterday was further evidence of that. Also really liked seeing Burden get more involved.
Quote from: MU82 on September 22, 2025, 07:17:13 PMSounds like a lot of Marquette fans after (Joplin, Gold, etc) would have a good game in one of our wins.
In other words ... fans being fans.
To be fair I'd argue GAP applies in the nfc north currently
Good lord Todd Monken what the hell are you doing
Quote from: JWags85 on September 22, 2025, 08:18:04 PMGood lord Todd Monken what the hell are you doing
Not sure, but Monken isn't the superstar who has fumbled in every game this season, including 2 absolute killer giveaways.
Entertaining game, and great win by the Lions. Loved that Dan Campbell played to win.
Quote from: MU82 on September 23, 2025, 01:06:10 AMLoved that Dan Campbell played to win.
Perhaps he made the coordinators.
I know some of it can be contributed to being week 1 and a new coordinator but it's still really impressive what the Packers D did to the Lions after how they've looked the last 2 weeks.
Doesn't look good for Ceedee Lamb to go against the Packers this week.
The Packers jumped them and deserved to win. Full stop.
In Detroit circles, the discussion was about how Mahogany didn't play in the preseason and Ratledge only played one series. Glasgow moving to center and Decker being eased back in after having his shoulder cleaned out. The O-line had zero game reps together prior to the Packer game. It showed. Two games later, 98 and 96 yard drives on the road against a good team. The O-line is showing improvement.
Quote from: tower912 on September 23, 2025, 06:22:53 AMThe Packers jumped them and deserved to win. Full stop.
In Detroit circles, the discussion was about how Mahogany didn't play in the preseason and Ratledge only played one series. Glasgow moving to center and Decker being eased back in after having his shoulder cleaned out. The O-line had zero game reps together prior to the Packer game. It showed. Two games later, 98 and 96 yard drives on the road against a good team. The O-line is showing improvement.
I thought you weren't watching.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 23, 2025, 07:53:19 AMI thought you weren't watching.
I watched the first half last night for my first televised football of the season. Not watching. Still paying attention.
Giants are shutting down the Russell Wilson kitchen
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 23, 2025, 12:06:07 PMGiants are shutting down the Russell Wilson kitchen
Mr Unlimited is actually very limited
The Lions have killed two bad defenses and looked bad against one good defense.
Quote from: tower912 on September 23, 2025, 11:44:34 AMI watched the first half last night for my first televised football of the season. Not watching. Still paying attention.
Ah.
From The Athletic:
Quietly, Sam Darnold ranks third in the NFL in yards per pass, sixth in completion percentage and second in success rate. He has the Seahawks offense moving along nicely and seems to be fitting well with new offensive coordinator Klint Kubiak.
In Week 1, Kubiak played too conservative and didn't seem to trust Darnold entirely. The last two weeks, the full playbook seemed to be available and Darnold played quite well in both games. Sunday's game was against a bad New Orleans team, though.
Big test in two days - at Arizona on TNF.
For context: 3 games into his Panthers career, Darnold was playing great and Carolina was 3-0. Then McCaffrey got hurt and the season turned to sh!t.
These Seahawks are miles better than those Panthers, but IMHO it's still fair to say, "we'll see."
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 23, 2025, 12:06:07 PMGiants are shutting down the Russell Wilson kitchen
Is he going to the Yankees' bullpen for the playoffs?
Quote from: MU82 on September 23, 2025, 03:04:37 PMFrom The Athletic:
Quietly, Sam Darnold ranks third in the NFL in yards per pass, sixth in completion percentage and second in success rate. He has the Seahawks offense moving along nicely and seems to be fitting well with new offensive coordinator Klint Kubiak.
In Week 1, Kubiak played too conservative and didn't seem to trust Darnold entirely. The last two weeks, the full playbook seemed to be available and Darnold played quite well in both games. Sunday's game was against a bad New Orleans team, though.
Big test in two days - at Arizona on TNF.
For context: 3 games into his Panthers career, Darnold was playing great and Carolina was 3-0. Then McCaffrey got hurt and the season turned to sh!t.
These Seahawks are miles better than those Panthers, but IMHO it's still fair to say, "we'll see."
Sure you do not want to un-retire and write for the Seattle Times?
That darn old QB just keeps making plays. I remember when somebody on here suggested that QB's don't really get better when they change teams. Now, with many QB's thought to be busts flourishing in new surroundings, perhaps it is time to revisit that hypothesis. Maybe the position takes time to learn. Maybe scheme and O-line and running game matter. Maybe fit matters. Maybe calling plays that fit your pieces matters.
Quote from: PointWarrior on September 23, 2025, 04:25:03 PMSure you do not want to un-retire and write for the Seattle Times?
They can't afford me.
Related to the Detroit coordinator debate, the Lions struggled against mobile QB's under Glenn. All teams do to an extent, but Detroit made the Justin Fields of the world look good. Glenn did not believe in a QB shadow against mobile QB's.
The Lions brought in a WR/QB this past week to their practice squad. He has played in Baltimore. They let him run the scout team at practice last Wednesday. He had a lot of success. Sheppard and his defensive coaches tweaked their defense to include a shadow on LJ. It started paying off late with 6 players combining for 7 sacks.
TL:DR... new Detroit DC successfully tries wrinkle Glenn never would.
@Tower...
https://x.com/joel9one/status/1970571074569150784?s=46 (https://x.com/joel9one/status/1970571074569150784?s=46)
True. Like MU fans bombarding national beat writers. And so does the Detroit PR department.
Quote from: tower912 on September 23, 2025, 05:57:38 PMRelated to the Detroit coordinator debate, the Lions struggled against mobile QB's under Glenn. All teams do to an extent, but Detroit made the Justin Fields of the world look good. Glenn did not believe in a QB shadow against mobile QB's.
The Lions brought in a WR/QB this past week to their practice squad. He has played in Baltimore. They let him run the scout team at practice last Wednesday. He had a lot of success. Sheppard and his defensive coaches tweaked their defense to include a shadow on LJ. It started paying off late with 6 players combining for 7 sacks.
TL:DR... new Detroit DC successfully tries wrinkle Glenn never would.
Eh. Detroit's defense has been OK. Too early to tell how much of a difference he has made so far.
Quote from: tower912 on September 23, 2025, 08:19:27 PMTrue. Like MU fans bombarding national beat writers. And so does the Detroit PR department.
That's different, that is completely legitimate
Bears valuation $8.9bil
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 24, 2025, 05:09:11 PMBears valuation $8.9bil
Gonna drop a couple billion when the only municipality that wants them is Gurnee
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 24, 2025, 05:13:53 PMGonna drop a couple billion when the only municipality that wants them is Gurnee
I'm sure they could just repurpose those big empty buildings in pleasant prairie that aren't worth much to anyone anymore and annex the town to the state.
Quote from: jesmu84 on September 24, 2025, 05:09:11 PMBears valuation $8.9bil
Average McCaskey liquid net worth: $12,000.00.
Only sensible thing to do is to sell to an ownership group comprised of the Ricketts and Reinsdorfs
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 24, 2025, 06:39:00 PMOnly sensible thing to do is to sell to an ownership group comprised of the Ricketts and Reinsdorfs
The only ownership group that in aggregate might hate paying minorities more than virginia did
It really is something how bad Marvin Harrison Jr is at playing receiver.
Quote from: Dish on September 25, 2025, 08:10:57 PMIt really is something how bad Marvin Harrison Jr is at playing receiver.
https://x.com/GeeScottSr/status/1971381208371302854
Idiotic penalty by Walker costs Seattle 3 points in a close, defensive game. Ugh.
Quote from: Dish on September 25, 2025, 08:10:57 PMIt really is something how bad Marvin Harrison Jr is at playing receiver.
I'm still think he'd be good if he had a QB that knew how to play QB
Quote from: BM1090 on September 25, 2025, 10:22:10 PMI'm still think he'd be good if he had a QB that knew how to play QB
or if his qb was normal sized.
Darnold played superbly again. The Seahawks went conservative after they got their lead and it almost cost them, but thankfully Darnold and Smith-Ojigba put them in position for the winning kick.
It sucks to have to play on Thursday, though it is nice when you win on Thursday. You then get 10 days off to heal before you play again.
The Seahawks are a solid team. Not great by any means, but solid on both sides of the ball.
Quote from: MU82 on September 26, 2025, 10:52:22 AMIt sucks to have to play on Thursday, though it is nice when you win on Thursday. You then get 10 days off to heal before you play again.
Or ten days to read about how great you are, slow momentum, and lose to one of the sh*ttiest franchises around.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 26, 2025, 01:06:15 PMOr ten days to read about how great you are, slow momentum, and lose to one of the sh*ttiest franchises around.
Hey, the Browns were powerhouses when Otto Graham was slinging the pigskin!
Well at least the Packers no longer have the most embarrassing loss of the season.
Jaire out for his 3rd straight game.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 28, 2025, 03:28:28 PMJaire out for his 3rd straight game.
Thinking a lot of GMs saw this coming and that's why the Packers weren't able to get anything for him.
The Bears are who we thought they were.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 28, 2025, 04:34:03 PMThe Bears are who we thought they were.
Excellent analysis Tony
Would you rather have Daniel Carlson or Anders Carlson? Daniel Carlson is the fifth most accurate kicker of all time but has never been the best player on his team.
Wouldn't have happened to the superior Carlson
Not sure why the raiders were content to settle for a mid 50s field goal with plenty of time outs and too much time left.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 28, 2025, 06:27:28 PMNot sure why the raiders were content to settle for a mid 50s field goal with plenty of time outs and too much time left.
I just said the same thing. Such strange play calling.
Muggsy overreacting to a small sample size? Couldn't happen.
I'm not convinced that the Vikings are better than the Bears at this point. They probably are, but I'm not sure. GB/DET are definitely better than the other two.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 28, 2025, 06:29:25 PMMuggsy overreacting to a small sample size? Couldn't happen.
Diminutive, not small.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 28, 2025, 06:29:25 PMMuggsy overreacting to a small sample size? Couldn't happen.
You're impressed they beat the Raiders??
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 28, 2025, 06:59:58 PMYou're impressed they beat the Raiders??
Impressed? No. But this is a team that you thought would win 4 games and said might be the worst in the league after the 0-2 start. They are 2-2 now and nowhere near the worst team in the NFL. I'm not even sure they are the worst team in the division.
Bottom line is you say a lot of shi!t that's an overreaction and you're going to get crap for it. Other than the political stuff, it's all in good fun.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 28, 2025, 06:29:25 PMMuggsy overreacting to a small sample size? Couldn't happen.
He thought it was over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 28, 2025, 06:27:28 PMNot sure why the raiders were content to settle for a mid 50s field goal with plenty of time outs and too much time left.
Ridiculous decision. I was lecturing Pete Carroll as it was taking place.
Nonetheless, nice road win for the Bears.
Also, falling from the ranks of the unbeaten: Colts, Niners, Bucs, Chargers.
Bills and Eagles stand alone.
Quote from: MU82 on September 28, 2025, 07:15:32 PMRidiculous decision. I was lecturing Pete Carroll as it was taking place.
Nonetheless, nice road win for the Bears.
Also, falling from the ranks of the unbeaten: Colts, Niners, Bucs, Chargers.
Bills and Eagles stand alone.
Why exactly is Pete Carroll coaching?
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 28, 2025, 07:18:40 PMWhy exactly is Pete Carroll coaching?
The Raiders hired him
Quote from: BM1090 on September 28, 2025, 07:06:37 PMImpressed? No. But this is a team that you thought would win 4 games and said might be the worst in the league after the 0-2 start. They are 2-2 now and nowhere near the worst team in the NFL. I'm not even sure they are the worst team in the division.
Bottom line is you say a lot of shi!t that's an overreaction and you're going to get crap for it. Other than the political stuff, it's all in good fun.
They could win 5 or 6 I suppose.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 28, 2025, 07:18:40 PMWhy exactly is Pete Carroll coaching?
Wanted to spread his 9/11 conspiracies to another franchise.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2025, 07:26:21 PMThe Raiders hired him
Social security retirement age about to go up
Death, taxes, Jordan Morgan ruining a drive.
Nice job of Cris Collinsworth explaining that offensive lines are not that important. :o
Quote from: WhiteTrash on September 28, 2025, 07:52:45 PMNice job of Cris Collinsworth explaining that offensive lines are not that important. :o
The play before he claimed that the Cowboys may not have gone for it because of a rookie right guard.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 28, 2025, 07:54:48 PMThe play before he claimed that the Cowboys may not have gone for it because of a rookie right guard.
Ahhh, the art of the color commentator. :(
Rodgers would get a 12 men and it was an auto shot at the end zone. Love does it and he throws it 5 yards down field.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 28, 2025, 08:03:15 PMRodgers would get a 12 men and it was an auto shot at the end zone. Love does it and he throws it 5 yards down field.
He was about to get hit.
Two weeks is plenty of time to find a ST coordinator
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 28, 2025, 08:09:40 PMTwo weeks is plenty of time to find a ST coordinator
Or to give Bisaccia an extension.
He's got pictures.
I'm convinced Jerry told them under no circumstances can Micah get a sack tonight. Cowboys aren't even trying to convert on third down.
Packers remain one of the dumbest good teams. I for one am excited to see how they ruin their season
Micah makes a lot of plays standing on the sideline ::)
Quote from: Jockey on September 28, 2025, 08:34:08 PMMicah makes a lot of plays standing on the sideline ::)
Well he was held by two different players on the Pickens throw
Too many dumb penalties.
Special teams blunder, no pass rush, drive killing penalties.
LaFleur masterclass
Now's a good time to establish the run
Great job to all involved
This is why LaFluer will be gone at the end of the year.
The Green Bay coach does not look pleased.
LaFleur sucks
Quote from: BM1090 on September 28, 2025, 06:29:25 PMMuggsy overreacting to a small sample size? Couldn't happen.
Small sample size was his nickname in college
LaFleur is definitely a problem.
You too can get big plays down the field if both tackles can commit blatant holds
https://x.com/pff/status/1972476388600164771?s=46
I watch plenty of football and I have no reasonable explanation for why the Packers aren't up by at least double digits. That 2nd quarter was stupid all around for them.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 28, 2025, 08:54:26 PMSmall sample size was his nickname in college
I'm exactly the same height as Beethoven and Mozart were.
Quote from: Dish on September 28, 2025, 08:58:03 PMI watch plenty of football and I have no reasonable explanation for why the Packers aren't up by at least double digits. That 2nd quarter was stupid all around for them.
Odd play calling, bad penalties and a killer turnover. This team is as soft as the U.S. Ryder Cup team.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 28, 2025, 09:03:28 PMOdd play calling, bad penalties and a killer turnover. This team is as soft as the U.S. Ryder Cup team.
I'm not hopeful Packers fans won't embarrass the nation like American fans at the Ryder Cup
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2025, 09:05:03 PMI'm not hopeful Packers fans won't embarrass the nation like American fans at the Ryder Cup
From your lips to God's ears.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 28, 2025, 08:55:50 PMYou too can get big plays down the field if both tackles can commit blatant holds
https://x.com/pff/status/1972476388600164771?s=46
Missed holding calls in football?
$77 million for Aaron Banks to watch football is great. A first round pick on Jordan Morgan is even better. We'll see about a second for Anthony Belton, but I have doubts.
Packers thought they were going to be taking the Eagles' blueprint and getting big and dominate the line of scrimmage. Instead they're giving Josh Jacobs the worst season of his career.
Bad Bunny halftime show at the Super Bowl will be great just to see white people mad
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 28, 2025, 09:02:06 PMI'm exactly the same height as Beethoven and Mozart were.
6 feet, under? We knew that
If that is a penalty, then you can call that on every single play.
That's a rule but it hasn't been called on a tush push once?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2025, 09:14:45 PMBad Bunny halftime show at the Super Bowl will be great just to see white people mad
I can't wait to try to explain who he is to my mid 70 parents.
Quote from: Dish on September 28, 2025, 09:28:31 PMI can't wait to try to explain who he is to my mid 70 parents.
How about a mid-50s Scooper?
Quote from: Dish on September 28, 2025, 09:28:31 PMI can't wait to try to explain who he is to my mid 70 parents.
He's woke, don't bother trying
Quote from: The Sultan on September 28, 2025, 09:29:17 PMHow about a mid-50s Scooper?
im in my late 30s and I only know him from Happy Gilmore 2.
So many holds on Parsons. None called.
If the Packers are up 14-0 instead of 13-2, are they taking their last timeout with 43 seconds left in the half trying to get the ball back? Feels like the play was directly a 3 point swing, but indirectly a 10 point swing.
Quote from: forgetful on September 28, 2025, 09:33:57 PMSo many holds on Parsons. None called.
On the follow up play, 87 both held and committed a block in the back.
Bad tackling Packers back!
Hobbs does not seem to be having a good game.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2025, 09:39:34 PMBad tackling Packers back!
Without Micah, it's the same porous defense as it ever was.
No pass rush. Can't stop the run.
Quote from: forgetful on September 28, 2025, 09:33:57 PMSo many holds on Parsons. None called.
Wow uncalled holds against the packers for once, maybe karma eventually does exist
Quote from: The Sultan on September 28, 2025, 09:29:17 PMHow about a mid-50s Scooper?
Beyond the fact that he's probably the biggest Spanish language artist of the last 25 years, he's immensely talented, very self aware and clever, and also legitimately a funny guy. He's fantastic live, but even more indicative for the show, to me, is all the visual and accompanying media pieces to his last few albums have been awesome.
He's also my 3 year old's favorite artist by a mile. Dude will come running from anywhere if he hears Bad Bunny's voice.
All that to say, even if you're not familiar with him or not a reggaeton fan, its gonna be a great show, very fun, and tremendously entertaining. Exactly the kind of artist the halftime show is made for.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 28, 2025, 08:51:17 PMThe Green Bay coach does not look pleased.
Only himself to blame
Quote from: wadesworld on September 28, 2025, 08:03:15 PMRodgers would get a 12 men and it was an auto shot at the end zone. Love does it and he throws it 5 yards down field.
Love is like one of three guys that is carrying his water tonight.
Pretty incredible how much more pressure Dallas is getting than Green Bay.
Need the defense to step up now.
This is the first game that the offense has been better than the defense. Need to step up.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 28, 2025, 09:46:17 PMWow uncalled holds against the packers for once, maybe karma eventually does exist
I'll take it.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 28, 2025, 09:48:54 PMBeyond the fact that he's probably the biggest Spanish language artist of the last 25 years, he's immensely talented, very self aware and clever, and also legitimately a funny guy. He's fantastic live, but even more indicative for the show, to me, is all the visual and accompanying media pieces to his last few albums have been awesome.
He's also my 3 year old's favorite artist by a mile. Dude will come running from anywhere if he hears Bad Bunny's voice.
All that to say, even if you're not familiar with him or not a reggaeton fan, its gonna be a great show, very fun, and tremendously entertaining. Exactly the kind of artist the halftime show is made for.
Unfortunately, all white people hate him. ::)
Taylor Swift turned the gig diwn for some reason.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 28, 2025, 09:57:10 PMTaylor Swift turned the gig diwn for some reason.
Yeah, she's need that gig
Is it harder to be the Dallas Cowboys QB than anywhere else? I don't get it.
Chris Collinsworth may be both one of the worst, and most annoying announcers in the NFL.
You can't really beat a quick passing game and Dak is playing it really really well.
Also, that's a face mask but Brooks was held for several seconds before that.
Wow, they completely ignored the hold on that play.
That's a tough call.
Cowboys wisely beating the Packers to get a pick around 12 in the draft from them
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 28, 2025, 09:57:10 PMTaylor Swift turned the gig diwn for some reason.
Because the NFL doesn't pay.
The Pack needs to be aggressive. The Cowboys give up big plays this years.
The fact that with Love, I lack confidence in this type of situation, is a bit concerning.
Lafleur sucks
Quote from: forgetful on September 28, 2025, 10:14:53 PMThe fact that with Love, I lack confidence in this type of situation, is a bit concerning.
Big throw right there.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 28, 2025, 10:16:44 PMBailed out ass play calling
That 2nd and 8 wide run to JJ was crazy bad
Quote from: BM1090 on September 28, 2025, 10:18:40 PMThat 2nd and 8 wide run to JJ was crazy bad
Gotta make sure his legs still work!
Play for the FG
Definitely a penalty but what a bailout
That was an incredibly stupid penalty.
Cowboys deserve to lose.
Must score a TD here. Defense isn't going to make a stop. Wouldn't be surprise is MLF makes some stupid play calls to get a 3rd and long though.
How do the Packers unnatural carnal knowledge this up
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 28, 2025, 10:25:08 PMHow do the Packers unnatural carnal knowledge this up
Quick pitch pass
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 28, 2025, 10:23:31 PMMust score a TD here. Defense isn't going to make a stop. Wouldn't be surprise is MLF makes some stupid play calls to get a 3rd and long though.
Have one of the best inside runners in the league and insist on tossing it outside.
Seriously what are they doing
This play calling is killing me.
Two Bearslike play calls there.
Love has bailed out MLF all night
Dallas with plenty of time.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 28, 2025, 10:16:25 PMBig throw right there.
He did his job. The reason I don't trust him yet in those situations is he has a bit too much Favre in him sometimes.
He played well there, but some of the play calling was nauseating.
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 28, 2025, 10:28:57 PMDallas with plenty of time.
Agreed. Defense needs to step up now.
Big boy ball from 10 there
That was grounding. Ron Torbert should get shafted
Who was the receiver in the area there?
That's intentional grounding.
Yeah they aren't getting a stop here
Officiating doesn't matter, no impact on the game.
Well at least they went in for a TD with 43 seconds left.
Wow. GB has plenty of time. :)
This secondary is awful when the QB has more than a half second.
Is intentional grounding 10 yards and loss of down?
Beyond pathetic
At least we'll always have the fact that we were crowned SB champions after week 2.
Time to establish the run
I don't understand running there.
Anders would've kicked that longer and straighter.
That would have been good from 65? Wow.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 28, 2025, 10:37:30 PMTime to establish the run
Playcalling is so frustrating. But that kick would have been good from 65.
Can the Packers get one stop?
Love has been damn good this year minus one throw vs. Cleveland
Big Cooper fan but this has not been his day.
That was an incredible play.
Come on Dak you know you want to throw a pick here
Is Nixon aware that you can continue to cover?
There were 3 obvious holds on that play. Parsons was almost tackled.
Huge play by Parsons.
Time to establish the run
Why do the Packers keep letting kickoffs bounce into the end zone?
Oh yeah. Bisaccia.
I guess I'm confused about pass interference.
MLF no idea how to manage this clock
As I said, now's time to establish the run
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 28, 2025, 10:39:13 PMI don't understand running there.
Only "running there?"
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 28, 2025, 11:02:12 PMI guess I'm confused about pass interference.
Only pass interference?
Now's the time to establish the WR screen
Seriously, a short screen when every play should have been a shot at the end zone?
Does Jerry have herpes?
Wow. That was crazy.
Fire LaFleur
Cue the Ferris Bueller end credit scene
I have no idea what that play calling was about.
Why so casual and playing for a tie? MLF is out of his depth.
Also, couldn't they have taken 3 shots in the end zone before the last play? Certainly two.
Wow. They really managed that well. Bad play calling + bad clock management
Yeah MLF had no idea what he was doing. Worried about leaving time for Dallas? Just go f*cking score.
I'm sure the self-scouting in the bye week will be enlightening and result in meaningful changes.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 28, 2025, 11:11:34 PMI have no idea what that play calling was about.
he's the master of the third and long
Quote from: MuggsyB on September 28, 2025, 11:12:03 PMAlso, couldn't they have taken 3 shots in the end zone before the last play? Certainly two.
Nobody can make anyone take shots anymore
The Packers got a kiss..........from their sister. :-\
How much did Jerry have to pay out for every hold they kept in their pocket tonight? Hope the herpes heals soon.
It'll never make sense to me why OT is 10 minutes instead of 15.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on September 28, 2025, 11:15:46 PMNobody can make anyone take shots anymore
Have to think that's a winning shot if this game is in Utah
LaFleur fired yet?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 28, 2025, 11:20:48 PMLaFleur fired yet?
yes but they hired Keegan Bradley. Bryson will be his guy on the sideline that holds him back.
As one who cheers for neither team, I was entertained thoroughly watching that game.
Packers can still establish the run if Matt Lafleur has the courage
Defense is in big trouble if Wyatt's knee injury is serious.
That was the quietest stadium exit of any experience leaving a stadium. Neither fanbase talking to the other.
1. In a crunch time drive, I have zero confidence in LaFleur's play calling and/or Love's decision making.
2. Special teams are truely "special" again. Packers need to shake something up.
3. Super Bowl? Let's hope they make the playoffs.
4. People may pay attention to Brewers once again.
I will defend one call that he made in the red zone. If the block was made on Diggs, Golden likely waltzes into the end-zone on that screen. They had two guys out there defending three. But Doubs whiffed or just didn't realize the RPO.
Quote from: PointWarrior on September 29, 2025, 08:21:17 AMThat was the quietest stadium exit of any experience leaving a stadium. Neither fanbase talking to the other.
1. In a crunch time drive, I have zero confidence in LaFleur's play calling and/or Love's decision making.
2. Special teams are truely "special" again. Packers need to shake something up.
3. Super Bowl? Let's hope they make the playoffs.
4. People may pay attention to Brewers once again.
I'll disagree on the Jordan Love part. He constantly stepped up in the second half and made plays. That being said, this Dallas defense made Russ look 25 again so who knows if Jordan is closer to what he looked like against CLE or DAL.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on September 29, 2025, 08:41:29 AMI'll disagree on the Jordan Love part. He constantly stepped up in the second half and made plays. That being said, this Dallas defense made Russ look 25 again so who knows if Jordan is closer to what he looked like against CLE or DAL.
Usually, somewhere in the middle. He had a couple of "gah" passes last night. They really miss Reed. Doubs has taken his game up a level and Golden looks the part but Reed gave them another option out of the slot they haven't quite figured out how to replace.
If Wyatt is out, woo boy. Lot of 2nd and 6 and better for Dallas last night. Did Dallas get behind the chains after the first two drives? Maybe once?
Lot of work to do in the bye week and little confidence this staff figures it out other than crossing their fingers the o-line gets better and Wyatt is fine.
Regardless, I'm firmly in the "I'll believe it when I see it" camp about any Super Bowl aspirations.
Maxx Crosby is worth every damn penny of that huge extension he signed, holy hell. He was an absolute demon yesterday. Not being an apologist for Caleb, but that INT wasn't even his fault, Crosby is just a freak. Watching the replay from the defensive side of the ball, when the throw begins, Crosby was engaged with the lineman moving to Caleb's right, and then as he starts to come forward, Crosby disengaged, moved right and was straight in front, it was wild. Really encouraged that Caleb stood in there and made some throws cause Crosby through the first half was enough for any QB to start seeing ghosts.
A rush end with 3 passes defended in a game is nuts.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 29, 2025, 11:18:54 AMMaxx Crosby is worth every damn penny of that huge extension he signed, holy hell. He was an absolute demon yesterday. Not being an apologist for Caleb, but that INT wasn't even his fault, Crosby is just a freak. Watching the replay from the defensive side of the ball, when the throw begins, Crosby was engaged with the lineman moving to Caleb's right, and then as he starts to come forward, Crosby disengaged, moved right and was straight in front, it was wild. Really encouraged that Caleb stood in there and made some throws cause Crosby through the first half was enough for any QB to start seeing ghosts.
A rush end with 3 passes defended in a game is nuts.
Yeah when I saw the replay of that int I was legit just this gif
(https://media.tenor.com/HGtMkuNr-f8AAAAM/anchorman-im-not-even-mad.gif)
After last night Love has 1000 yards, 8 TD, 1 INT. He is 2nd in QB rating, 3rd in yards, 4th in YPA, and 5th in TDs. He's been close to excellent through four weeks, minus the one terrible INT at Cleveland
Quote from: BM1090 on September 29, 2025, 11:40:52 AMAfter last night Love has 1000 yards, 8 TD, 1 INT. He is 2nd in QB rating, 3rd in yards, 4th in YPA, and 5th in TDs. He's been close to excellent through four weeks, minus the one terrible INT at Cleveland
I was told you have one hour to celebrate a good performance vs Matt eberflus
Quote from: BM1090 on September 29, 2025, 11:40:52 AMAfter last night Love has 1000 yards, 8 TD, 1 INT. He is 2nd in QB rating, 3rd in yards, 4th in YPA, and 5th in TDs. He's been close to excellent through four weeks, minus the one terrible INT at Cleveland
Its the nature of modern QB assessment (hell young offensive skill position player assessment), its insanely what have you done for me lately snap judgements. Pains me to say it, but Love has been very good even with rough spots. The TD throw to Doubs under pressure and backpedaling was filthy.
Same is true for some of the Williams criticism. I saw a tweet yesterday that says 28 TDs to 8 Ints through 21 games is the best ever by a #1 pick. So I went back and looked and his numbers compare REALLY favorably, if not better in some areas, to the starts for Burrow and Luck, much less someone like Trevor Lawrence or the very up and down start for Kyler Murray. His attempts per game, YPA, completion percentage, etc.. are also not WILDLY different, so its not like they were chucking the ball in a way he hasn't.
Do I wish he was more consistent? Absolutely. Do I wish he didn't waste his first year of development under a lame duck inept HC with a terrible OL? Absolutely. But in perspective, his development and production has been above average, making the "lets give Bagent some snaps" commentary from the Lions game even more silly.
Same for Odunze, who is trending towards a 1000+ Yd/12+ TD season (even on a 16 game schedule) when people were calling him a bum with bad hands earlier in the year.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 29, 2025, 12:45:37 PMIts the nature of modern QB assessment (hell young offensive skill position player assessment), its insanely what have you done for me lately snap judgements. Pains me to say it, but Love has been very good even with rough spots. The TD throw to Doubs under pressure and backpedaling was filthy.
Same is true for some of the Williams criticism. I saw a tweet yesterday that says 28 TDs to 8 Ints through 21 games is the best ever by a #1 pick. So I went back and looked and his numbers compare REALLY favorably, if not better in some areas, to the starts for Burrow and Luck, much less someone like Trevor Lawrence or the very up and down start for Kyler Murray. His attempts per game, YPA, completion percentage, etc.. are also not WILDLY different, so its not like they were chucking the ball in a way he hasn't.
Do I wish he was more consistent? Absolutely. Do I wish he didn't waste his first year of development under a lame duck inept HC with a terrible OL? Absolutely. But in perspective, his development and production has been above average, making the "lets give Bagent some snaps" commentary from the Lions game even more silly.
Same for Odunze, who is trending towards a 1000+ Yd/12+ TD season (even on a 16 game schedule) when people were calling him a bum with bad hands earlier in the year.
Going to agree with you on Williams. As long as they find stability within the coaching staff and stick with it, I expect him to be the QB in Chicago for 10-15 years. You can see the talent. It's year two. He'll get more consistent.
It's the Bears so they may find a way to ruin it, but if they don't I think the future is pretty bright there.
Quote from: BM1090 on September 28, 2025, 07:06:37 PMImpressed? No. But this is a team that you thought would win 4 games and said might be the worst in the league after the 0-2 start. They are 2-2 now and nowhere near the worst team in the NFL. I'm not even sure they are the worst team in the division.
Bottom line is you say a lot of shi!t that's an overreaction and you're going to get crap for it.
Muggsy simply is incapable of laughing at himself and admitting that he was wrong. As a result, he richly deserves all of the crap he gets.
Wags, it surprises you that fanz iz stoopid?
I mean, in Charlotte, there were dopes saying Derek Anderson should start over Cam Newton. And that was during the Super Bowl season, when Newton was MVP.
Quote from: MU82 on September 29, 2025, 12:56:15 PMWags, it surprises you that fanz iz stoopid?
I mean, in Charlotte, there were dopes saying Derek Anderson should start over Cam Newton. And that was during the Super Bowl season, when Newton was MVP.
Bagent looks like a QB
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2025, 01:03:01 PMBagent looks like a QB
I actually got in a discussion with a guy at a bar who said he liked Anderson better than Newton. I couldn't resist asking why, and he said: "Cam is too, um, colorful."
I am not making that up. It was a very brief discussion.
Quote from: JWags85 on September 29, 2025, 12:45:37 PMIts the nature of modern QB assessment (hell young offensive skill position player assessment), its insanely what have you done for me lately snap judgements. Pains me to say it, but Love has been very good even with rough spots. The TD throw to Doubs under pressure and backpedaling was filthy.
Same is true for some of the Williams criticism. I saw a tweet yesterday that says 28 TDs to 8 Ints through 21 games is the best ever by a #1 pick. So I went back and looked and his numbers compare REALLY favorably, if not better in some areas, to the starts for Burrow and Luck, much less someone like Trevor Lawrence or the very up and down start for Kyler Murray. His attempts per game, YPA, completion percentage, etc.. are also not WILDLY different, so its not like they were chucking the ball in a way he hasn't.
Do I wish he was more consistent? Absolutely. Do I wish he didn't waste his first year of development under a lame duck inept HC with a terrible OL? Absolutely. But in perspective, his development and production has been above average, making the "lets give Bagent some snaps" commentary from the Lions game even more silly.
Same for Odunze, who is trending towards a 1000+ Yd/12+ TD season (even on a 16 game schedule) when people were calling him a bum with bad hands earlier in the year.
All I care about this season is progression of Caleb.
Outside of Byards INTs, the whole team looked rough in the first half yesterday. And that includes offensive play calling.
When it counted - 4th quarter, down 5, game on the line - Caleb played like a calm, seasoned pro.
That's what matters.
The blocked kick was nice though.
Quote from: MU82 on September 29, 2025, 01:10:03 PMI actually got in a discussion with a guy at a bar who said he liked Anderson better than Newton. I couldn't resist asking why, and he said: "Cam is too, um, colorful."
I am not making that up. It was a very brief discussion.
Caleb isn't Bears QB material
A GB tie is as good as a loss for Detroit fans.
Quote from: tower912 on September 29, 2025, 01:57:13 PMA GB tie is as good as a loss for Detroit fans.
Since I don't think its a big reach to say the division is between GB and DET, I agree with you.
My favorite story from the NFL weekend was Jags coach Liam Coen going all Will Smith on Niners defensive coordinator Robert Saleh after the Jags' win.
Days before the game, Saleh had accused Coen of "legally stealing signals." Afterward, Coen confronted Saleh with: "Keep my name out of your mouth." The two then traded more insults, with Saleh reportedly threatening to kill Coen.
https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/49ers-coach-threatens-jaguars-coach-end-your-life-21073272.php
As if the Niners don't have enough problems, with boatloads of injuries and a turnover-prone QB
Oh, and if Saleh doesn't want signals "stolen," maybe he needs to do a better job of choosing signals that won't be stolen.
Quote from: MU82 on September 29, 2025, 02:57:55 PMMy favorite story from the NFL weekend was Jags coach Liam Coen going all Will Smith on Niners defensive coordinator Robert Saleh after the Jags' win.
Days before the game, Saleh had accused Coen of "legally stealing signals." Afterward, Coen confronted Saleh with: "Keep my name out of your mouth." The two then traded more insults, with Saleh reportedly threatening to kill Coen.
https://www.sfgate.com/49ers/article/49ers-coach-threatens-jaguars-coach-end-your-life-21073272.php
As if the Niners don't have enough problems, with boatloads of injuries and a turnover-prone QB
Oh, and if Saleh doesn't want signals "stolen," maybe he needs to do a better job of choosing signals that won't be stolen.
Interesting take. When did Saleh say that?
From his comments on Thursday, Saleh was giving credit to Coen for his ability to decipher signals. It was Coen who took this the wrong way.
Quote from: MU82 on September 29, 2025, 01:10:03 PMI actually got in a discussion with a guy at a bar who said he liked Anderson better than Newton. I couldn't resist asking why, and he said: "Cam is too, um, colorful."
I am not making that up. It was a very brief discussion.
Caleb paints his nails 😡
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2025, 01:43:29 PMCaleb isn't Bears QB material
Calm and collected leading a team to a road come from behind victory is an insult to the giant ugly patch on the jersey and our memories of her reign.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2025, 01:43:29 PMCaleb isn't Bears QB material
Who is the greatest QB in Bears history?
Quote from: tower912 on September 29, 2025, 03:54:10 PMWho is the greatest QB in Bears history?
Tyson Bagent if Ben Johnson has the courage to do what's right
Quote from: tower912 on September 29, 2025, 03:54:10 PMWho is the greatest QB in Bears history?
That answer is easy. Jim Miller
Quote from: tower912 on September 29, 2025, 03:54:10 PMWho is the greatest QB in Bears history?
In all seriousness, it's Sid Luckman - who retired in 1950. I think he is the only Bear to primarily play quarterback in the Hall of Fame, unless there is a guy who played mostly elsewhere who I am not remembering.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 29, 2025, 04:05:54 PMIn all seriousness, it's Sid Luckman - who retired in 1950. I think he is the only Bear to primarily play quarterback in the Hall of Fame, unless there is a guy who played mostly elsewhere who I am not remembering.
You are.... Modern day legend Bobby Layne!
Quote from: tower912 on September 29, 2025, 03:54:10 PMWho is the greatest QB in Bears history?
Sid.
In modern NFL? Cutler
Quote from: RJax55 on September 29, 2025, 04:08:09 PMYou are.... Modern day legend Bobby Layne!
LOL, I had no idea he started his career, and played one season, with the Bears.
Quote from: The Sultan on September 29, 2025, 04:14:50 PMLOL, I had no idea he started his career, and played one season, with the Bears.
Layne is the Lions best QB of all-time. Though Goff is making a run. Guess I should throw Stafford in the mix. Unlike the Bears, there's at least a debate.
Quote from: RJax55 on September 29, 2025, 04:21:49 PMLayne is the Lions best QB of all-time. Though Goff is making a run. Guess I should throw Stafford in the mix. Unlike the Bears, there's at least a debate.
Plimpton?
Quote from: RJax55 on September 29, 2025, 04:21:49 PMLayne is the Lions best QB of all-time. Though Goff is making a run. Guess I should throw Stafford in the mix. Unlike the Bears, there's at least a debate.
Stafford is so much better than Goff. Not his fault the lions were helpless when he was there
Quote from: RJax55 on September 29, 2025, 03:13:50 PMInteresting take. When did Saleh say that?
From his comments on Thursday, Saleh was giving credit to Coen for his ability to decipher signals. It was Coen who took this the wrong way.
Backhanded "compliment."
Referring to Saleh's comment about signal stealing ... not Saleh threatening to kill Coen.
Only 4 games in and the STs have either caused or contributed greatly to both non-wins.
Wouldn't it be great to have a HC who realizes that his job involves more than just calling plays?
As a guy who grew up a huge fan of the Csonka-Griese-Bouniconti Dolphins and their classic aqua-and-orange unis, let me be the first to say ...
Blecccch!!!!
Doesn't look like the courts will get him but Tyreek Hill's career ended tonight
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 29, 2025, 08:37:57 PMDoesn't look like the courts will get him but Tyreek Hill's career ended tonight
Be sensitive. This man's family is going through a terrible ordeal. Think about how much more time he'll spend with them.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 29, 2025, 09:02:06 PMBe sensitive. This man's family is going through a terrible ordeal. Think about how much more time he'll spend with them.
plenty of time for all of his families...
Not great.
https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1972853441686118794
Quote from: Pakuni on September 29, 2025, 09:42:06 PMNot great.
https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1972853441686118794
2 RB, 0 QB systems don't work well in the NFL.
It's the Bengals so who the hell knows, but they can't keep rolling Browning out there.
Only because it'd be funny to see it, but they should trade a 7th for Jameis.
Detroit is starting the 21 day clock on Alim McNeill's return from IR. I doubt he plays this week against the Bengals. If he holds up, he probably plays against the Chiefs next week.
What he brings is the ability to generate a pass rush from the interior. Paired with Hutchinson on third down should improve the Detroit pass rush. They have been solid this far, thanks to Hutchinson, Muhammad, and aggressive use of their linebackers.
Quote from: tower912 on September 30, 2025, 09:03:27 AMDetroit is starting the 21 day clock on Alim McNeill's return from IR. I doubt he plays this week against the Bengals. If he holds up, he probably plays against the Chiefs next week.
What he brings is the ability to generate a pass rush from the interior. Paired with Hutchinson on third down should improve the Detroit pass rush. They have been solid this far, thanks to Hutchinson, Muhammad, and aggressive use of their linebackers.
The depth on the interior when everyone is healthy is stunning for the Lions.
The racists are out in full force screaming their grievances after the NFL revealed that Bad Bunny would be the Super Bowl halftime performer.
Cancel culture run amok.
Quote from: GB Warrior on September 30, 2025, 11:46:34 AMThe depth on the interior when everyone is healthy is stunning for the Lions.
They can always go to YouTube and watch Ted Nugent sing Jailbait
Quote from: MU82 on October 01, 2025, 11:39:01 AMThe racists are out in full force screaming their grievances after the NFL revealed that Bad Bunny would be the Super Bowl halftime performer.
It's unamerican to allow a foreigner to perform the Super Bowl halftime show.
Guys, please take the pollical crap elsewhere. Let's talk football.
Just did a Google search and discovered the halftime shows were basically a nothing burger until Michael Jackson in 93
Quote from: tower912 on October 01, 2025, 01:09:45 PMJust did a Google search and discovered the halftime shows were basically a nothing burger until Michael Jackson in 93
New Kids on the Block in '91 was the first big show. They were bigger than anyone at the time. It was somewhat overshadowed by Whitney Houston's national anthem however.
Anyway, Up With People did three Super Bowls between 1976 and 1986. I have no idea who Big Bunny is, but I would much rather watch him than Up With People.
Quote from: tower912 on October 01, 2025, 01:09:45 PMJust did a Google search and discovered the halftime shows were basically a nothing burger until Michael Jackson in 93
Up with People slander.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 01, 2025, 01:20:41 PMUp with People slander.
Sharks with lasers is the only Super Bowl halftime entertainment I want or gorillas wrestling alligators
Purple Rain in the rain cannot be topped.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 01, 2025, 01:20:41 PMUp with People slander.
I have a former co-worker who performed at the '86 show. He is REALLY involved in the Up With People alumni association. He is exactly the type of guy you would expect to be in Up With People and REALLY involved in the alumni association too.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 01, 2025, 01:24:37 PMI have a former co-worker who performed at the '86 show. He is REALLY involved in the Up With People alumni association. He is exactly the type of guy you would expect to be in Up With People and REALLY involved in the alumni association too.
I knew of someone that dropped out of college to join Up With People but I also saw him passed out against a wall with his braces stuck in the plaster of said wall
Quote from: The Sultan on October 01, 2025, 01:16:38 PMNew Kids on the Block in '91 was the first big show. They were bigger than anyone at the time. It was somewhat overshadowed by Whitney Houston's national anthem however.
Anyway, Up With People did three Super Bowls between 1976 and 1986. I have no idea who Big Bunny is, but I would much rather watch him than Up With People.
Seriously, check out Bad Bunny. He's good!
Quote from: Pakuni on October 01, 2025, 01:01:09 PMIt's unamerican to allow a foreigner to perform the Super Bowl halftime show.
Also, why the band Foreigner has not played the halftime show. Although, somehow they snuck by and did the National Anthem in 2014.
Quote from: tower912 on October 01, 2025, 01:09:45 PMJust did a Google search and discovered the halftime shows were basically a nothing burger until Michael Jackson in 93
and that's because in 1992 "In Living Color" did a live halftime special (Men On Football) that drew a reported 20 million viewers. So the next year we got MJ and the rest is history. Even the NFL acknowledges that was a game changer: https://www.nfl.com/100/originals/100-greatest/game-changers-73
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3bInFNIWBg&t=135s
I could do without a 45 minute break in the football game, personally.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 01, 2025, 02:01:02 PMI could do without a 45 minute break in the football game, personally.
Of course. But that ship sailed a long time ago.
Quote from: tower912 on October 01, 2025, 01:24:25 PMPurple Rain in the rain cannot be topped.
I saw a video about it once and he was wearing some shoes with heels and the stage was crazy slippery, but he still wanted to do it that way.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 01, 2025, 02:29:28 PMI saw a video about it once and he was wearing some shoes with heels and the stage was crazy slippery, but he still wanted to do it that way.
He was one of the all-time greats. Arguably the most talented ever in music. (
no offense to the Vanilla Ice fans)
Quote from: wadesworld on October 01, 2025, 02:01:02 PMI could do without a 45 minute break in the football game, personally.
That's about how long it takes the old guys getting mad at the current halftime show to piss due to their enlarged prostate. It's a very calculated methodology
So, 4 weeks in, who will be actually playing football around the Bad Bunny concert?
Quote from: tower912 on October 01, 2025, 03:01:40 PMSo, 4 weeks in, who will be actually playing football around the Bad Bunny concert?
Not the Packers.
Eagles and Bills.
Shadeur continues to show why nobody wanted him. Teams that were utterly in need of a QB said No, thanks".
The Browns continue to show why they are a loser organization.
Eh, a fifth round pick for Sanders is pretty low risk. Cutting him isn't that big of a loss if that what it came to.
Quote from: tower912 on October 01, 2025, 03:01:40 PMSo, 4 weeks in, who will be actually playing football around the Bad Bunny concert?
At this moment, Eagles and Bills. I don't think that will be true by the new year. Who will pass them? No clue
Immature response, but Gabriel is going to be terrible
Quote from: The Sultan on October 01, 2025, 03:17:53 PMEh, a fifth round pick for Sanders is pretty low risk. Cutting him isn't that big of a loss if that what it came to.
True. It would be no loss at all.
Quote from: tower912 on October 01, 2025, 03:01:40 PMSo, 4 weeks in, who will be actually playing football around the Bad Bunny concert?
Wouldn't know, boycotting from here on out
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 01, 2025, 04:09:57 PMWouldn't know, boycotting from here on out
The league won't have anyone left to watch with all the woke they keep ramming down our throats
Quote from: Shaka Shart on October 01, 2025, 04:09:57 PMWouldn't know, boycotting from here on out
This woke crapola is why absolutely nobody watches the NFL anymore, especially the Super Bowl.
Go in the bag for the Chiefs. Arrange to have the big wedding at halftime with Bad Bunny singing and performing the ceremony.
This is a pretty interesting read about the Packers and special teams. I don't full absolve Rich Bisaccia but the Packers organization is a decade into basically ignoring this component
https://www.acmepackingcompany.com/analysis/71913/green-bay-packers-special-teams-returners-analysis
It's wild, considering one of their Super Bowl victories was cemented by having one of the best special teams in history
Yep. Shawn Slocum, Ron Zook, Maurice Drayton, etc. The common problem is that the Packers are a very young team who trots out these guys for special teams like it isn't that big of a deal.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 02, 2025, 11:02:09 AMYep. Shawn Slocum, Ron Zook, Maurice Drayton, etc. The common problem is that the Packers are a very young team who trots out these guys for special teams like it isn't that big of a deal.
What's crazy is that we all knew Dayton would cost a game down the stretch, it was a matter of how. Similar vibes this year but it's week 5
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 02, 2025, 06:46:45 PMWhat's crazy is that we all knew Dayton would cost a game down the stretch, it was a matter of how. Similar vibes this year but it's week 5
That's why Marquette was dumb to schedule a home and home
Trying to galaxy brain this so our special teams aren't complete ass. So if holding on a punt return is 10 yards from the spot of the foul...wouldn't it be almost no risk and a huge benefit to hold the gunners immediately? Open up the return and the penalty would be 10 yards from the line of scrimmage since that's where the hold occurs.
Rams worked REAL hard to lose that game.
"The play selection was very poor. I'm sick right now because I put our players in a sh!tty spot, and I've gotta live with that." - Sean McVay on running Williams into the middle of the line on the final play of the game.
Quote from: wadesworld on October 02, 2025, 10:19:27 PMTrying to galaxy brain this so our special teams aren't complete ass. So if holding on a punt return is 10 yards from the spot of the foul...wouldn't it be almost no risk and a huge benefit to hold the gunners immediately? Open up the return and the penalty would be 10 yards from the line of scrimmage since that's where the hold occurs.
It's 10 yards from the end of the play or from where the holding occurred, whatever is further back.
Mark Sanchez stabbed this morning in Indianapolis.
https://nypost.com/2025/10/04/sports/ex-jets-qb-mark-sanchez-stabbed-in-indianapolis-hospitalized/
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 04, 2025, 01:39:13 PMMark Sanchez stabbed this morning in Indianapolis.
https://nypost.com/2025/10/04/sports/ex-jets-qb-mark-sanchez-stabbed-in-indianapolis-hospitalized/
https://x.com/angelaganote/status/1974541397433733391?t=GyXMxsX_k8qHareKwN7k-A&s=19
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 04, 2025, 01:39:13 PMMark Sanchez stabbed this morning in Indianapolis.
https://nypost.com/2025/10/04/sports/ex-jets-qb-mark-sanchez-stabbed-in-indianapolis-hospitalized/
Based on police reports it appears he FAFO'd.
South Bend finally gets its revenge on Sanchez
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 04, 2025, 08:16:00 PMSouth Bend finally gets its revenge on Sanchez
Is it bad my first thought went to a guy making "Butt Fumble" jokes set this off?
Raiders wipe out the Colts kicker. Only fair thing is for the Colts to wipe out the Raiders punter. No one's safe in Indy this weekend.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on October 04, 2025, 01:39:13 PMMark Sanchez stabbed this morning in Indianapolis.
https://nypost.com/2025/10/04/sports/ex-jets-qb-mark-sanchez-stabbed-in-indianapolis-hospitalized/
Racist Dan Dakich immediately blamed fatherless black males.
The Ravens have fired John Harbaugh.
Quote from: Dish on October 05, 2025, 01:20:39 PMThe Ravens have fired John Harbaugh.
City of Baltimore deserves better than John Harbaugh. He's a bootlicking coward.
Quote from: Dish on October 05, 2025, 01:20:39 PMThe Ravens have fired John Harbaugh.
Lions hangover. Lasting longer than normal.
One half of this Ravens game should be enough to reopen the collusion case vs the owners
Quote from: Dish on October 05, 2025, 01:20:39 PMThe Ravens have fired John Harbaugh.
Is this the new thing to just state as fact someone's been fired when their teams play poorly? You did the same with Franklin yesterday. Someone did the same last year with Daboll.
This is supposed to be funny, clever, what?
Ravens have 3 pro bowlers out. From time to time, injuries to star players matter.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 05, 2025, 01:38:12 PMIs this the new thing to just state as fact someone's been fired when their teams play poorly? You did the same with Franklin yesterday. Someone did the same last year with Daboll.
This is supposed to be funny, clever, what?
Are you new here?
I know you're not. If you don't get it, I don't know what to tell ya.
Quote from: tower912 on October 05, 2025, 01:44:03 PMRavens have 3 pro bowlers out. From time to time, injuries to star players matter.
but Jaire is playing today.
Quote from: tower912 on October 05, 2025, 01:44:03 PMRavens have 3 pro bowlers out. From time to time, injuries to star players matter.
Contenders don't lose by 31 points at home to mediocre teams because of a few injuries.
Quote from: tower912 on October 05, 2025, 01:44:03 PMRavens have 3 pro bowlers out. From time to time, injuries to star players matter.
Awww. So they were down to only 5 or 6 pro bowlers?
Hard to not get blown out!
Quote from: The Sultan on October 05, 2025, 02:21:12 PMContenders don't lose by 31 points at home to mediocre teams because of a few injuries.
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Thanks, Denver. Love your work.
Can't wait to see AJ Brown's instagram post this time.
Jake Browning is really a terrible quarterback.
So bad that Campbell is playing field position and defense.
Quote from: tower912 on October 05, 2025, 03:22:42 PMThanks, Denver. Love your work.
I said before last year that I thought Nix would be ROY and the best QB drafted.
Obviously, Daniels was better last year, but I still think Nix could turn out to be the best.
Quote from: Dish on October 05, 2025, 01:58:58 PMAre you new here?
I know you're not. If you don't get it, I don't know what to tell ya.
MUScoop has fired Dish
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on October 05, 2025, 01:38:12 PMIs this the new thing to just state as fact someone's been fired when their teams play poorly? You did the same with Franklin yesterday. Someone did the same last year with Daboll.
This is supposed to be funny, clever, what?
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I can't believe that the Browns weren't more patient with Mayfield. Well, I can I guess...
Quote from: The Sultan on October 05, 2025, 05:54:46 PMI can't believe that the Browns weren't more patient with Mayfield. Well, I can I guess...
When you can upgrade to Deshaun Watson, you have to do it. Jimmy Haslam, baby!
Carolina moved on from both Darnold AND Mayfield.
Quote from: tower912 on October 05, 2025, 06:08:24 PMCarolina moved on from both Darnold AND Mayfield.
As I always say, good Organizations win; bad organizations lose.
Wow. That might have been good from 70 yards.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 05, 2025, 10:26:34 PMWow. That might have been good from 70 yards.
The new Kicking Balls make a big difference.
Quote from: forgetful on October 05, 2025, 10:37:56 PMThe new Kicking Balls make a big difference.
I wouldn't doubt it. That was crazy. It cleared 52 yards at the top of the goal posts. WTF?
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 05, 2025, 10:40:17 PMI wouldn't doubt it. That was crazy. It cleared 52 yards at the top of the goal posts. WTF?
I'm sure it looks that way from your viewing trajectory
Some amazing results today.
No unbeatens left.
Larry Little, Paul Warfield, Jake Scott & Co remain alone in perfection.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 05, 2025, 05:54:46 PMI can't believe that the Browns weren't more patient with Mayfield. Well, I can I guess...
People talk about Josh Allen and others in comps to Favre, but Baker has always had a lot of Favre in his game to me. Roughly the same size, mobile and quick but not a gazelle. Its not always pretty, can be unorthodox, but just a gamer who finds ways to make plays, and absurdly fun to watch.
Also, the dual throwback Seahawks and Bucs jerseys were absolutely glorious. My top two favorite old NFL aesthetics.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 06, 2025, 08:27:42 AMAlso, the dual throwback Seahawks and Bucs jerseys were absolutely glorious. My top two favorite old NFL aesthetics.
I came here to post that that might've been the greatest uniform matchup of all time in the NFL.
Another dope did it ...
Cardinals RB Emari Demercado couldn't possibly have waited 1 more second to start celebrating a long TD run. No, he couldn't. He decided to drop the football as he crossed the goal line. Replays showed that he actually dropped it just before he crossed the line, resulting in a touchback instead of a TD that would have given Arizona a 28-6 fourth-quarter lead. Arizona would go on to lose 22-21 to previously winless Tennessee.
Why? Why do football players keep doing this?
Quote from: MU82 on October 06, 2025, 10:30:57 AMAnother dope did it ...
Cardinals RB Emari Demercado couldn't possibly have waited 1 more second to start celebrating a long TD run. No, he couldn't. He decided to drop the football as he crossed the goal line. Replays showed that he actually dropped it just before he crossed the line, resulting in a touchback instead of a TD that would have given Arizona a 28-6 fourth-quarter lead. Arizona would go on to lose 22-21 to previously winless Tennessee.
Why? Why do football players keep doing this?
So we can get new hit shows on Hulu?
Sadly, it appears it wasn't a fatherless black man that caused Mark Sanchez to get felony charges for assault.
Quote from: MU82 on October 06, 2025, 10:30:57 AMAnother dope did it ...
Cardinals RB Emari Demercado couldn't possibly have waited 1 more second to start celebrating a long TD run. No, he couldn't. He decided to drop the football as he crossed the goal line. Replays showed that he actually dropped it just before he crossed the line, resulting in a touchback instead of a TD that would have given Arizona a 28-6 fourth-quarter lead. Arizona would go on to lose 22-21 to previously winless Tennessee.
Why? Why do football players keep doing this?
Ask the bookmakers.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 05, 2025, 04:37:23 PMJake Browning is really a terrible quarterback.
Have to admit that I've been surprised by this. He showed pretty well in previous starts and has been there forever and is familiar with the personnel and system. Of course I didn't think he was Burrow, but I thought Cincinnati was right to be confident he could keep the ship steady.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2025, 11:40:44 AMSadly, it appears it wasn't a fatherless black man that caused Mark Sanchez to get felony charges for assault.
Trans though, right?
Quote from: MU82 on October 06, 2025, 12:24:15 PMTrans though, right?
Possibly. Patel hasn't finished writing the text messages yet.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 06, 2025, 12:25:14 PMPossibly. Patel hasn't finished writing the text messages yet.
;D
Quote from: wadesworld on October 06, 2025, 10:14:02 AMI came here to post that that might've been the greatest uniform matchup of all time in the NFL.
the only other contender would be either of those teams against the old school Chargers powder blues and white unis from the early 70s.
Quote from: Jockey on October 05, 2025, 04:44:26 PMI said before last year that I thought Nix would be ROY and the best QB drafted.
Obviously, Daniels was better last year, but I still think Nix could turn out to be the best.
where are all of the experts who declared Nix a bust after his first two games last season?
https://predominantlyorange.com/courtland-sutton-said-what-every-broncos-fan-already-knew-about-bo-nix-01k6v5t836j3
I get the romance about Tampa's uniforms, but the reason they moved on from them is because they had such a terrible history in the dreamcicles, just opening the new stadium, and just wanted a re-brand. They are a fun throwback, but there is no need for that to be full-time.
Quote from: JWags85 on October 06, 2025, 08:27:42 AMPeople talk about Josh Allen and others in comps to Favre, but Baker has always had a lot of Favre in his game to me. Roughly the same size, mobile and quick but not a gazelle. Its not always pretty, can be unorthodox, but just a gamer who finds ways to make plays, and absurdly fun to watch.
Also, the dual throwback Seahawks and Bucs jerseys were absolutely glorious. My top two favorite old NFL aesthetics.
Cleveland and Carolina obviously knew what they were doing when they sent Baker packing.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 06, 2025, 02:30:10 PMI get the romance about Tampa's uniforms, but the reason they moved on from them is because they had such a terrible history in the dreamcicles, just opening the new stadium, and just wanted a re-brand. They are a fun throwback, but there is no need for that to be full-time.
Yea I get it. It's unfortunate cause Bucco Bruce was Gasparilla/Gulf pirate inspiried, the orange was a nod to the citrusy industry, it was thoughtfully done. But the ineptitude of the franchise made that all a joke
It's just interesting living the the TB area and seeing the split in new Bucs items for sale and how much better the "throwback" gear ends up looking. I actually don't mind the flag logo, but overall I think it just feels, as funny as it seems when talking versus a much older logo, dated in that late 90s-early 2000s rebrand era in sports where whimsical and clever/hidden meaning logos were retired for generic aggressive and fierce looking replacements.
It would be nice for a merging of the two like the way the Bucks, Brewers, and others have gotten back to the original color schemes/logos in a blended way. But I'm not sure how to really do it cause it's such a stark difference
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 06, 2025, 03:33:25 PMCleveland and Carolina obviously knew what they were doing when they sent Baker packing.
There's no defending anything the Panthers have done since Tepper bought the team. They have been terribly managed from top to bottom.
But I saw every play of every game Mayfield played for the Panthers, and he was not a good QB then. He made foolish decisions, constantly tried forcing passes into tight coverage, had lots of passes batted down at the line, etc.
Now, he had precious little talent around him, and crapola coaching. But the same was true for Darnold, who actually played quite well early on for the Panthers.
As we've seen over and over again with these reclamation project QBs - Mayfield, Darnold, Geno, Jones, etc - sometimes a guy just needs a change - with the right fit and the right coaching.
I always liked Mayfield, so I'm glad for him that he's found what he needed in Tampa. And I'm thrilled about how well Darnold has played so far for Seattle.
Both of them had to get out of Charlotte.
Quote from: MU82 on October 06, 2025, 04:50:36 PMBut I saw every play of every game Mayfield played for the Panthers, and he was not a good QB then. He made foolish decisions, constantly tried forcing passes into tight coverage, had lots of passes batted down at the line, etc.
Now, he had precious little talent around him, and crapola coaching. But the same was true for Darnold, who actually played quite well early on for the Panthers.
Its a bit of revisionist history after watching him once he left mid season, but I'm pretty confident in saying Baker wasn't fully healthy/back to 100% with the Panthers. Joined a new team less than 6 months after shoulder surgery, starting less than 2 months later, I think he was just totally out of sorts physically. I know it wasn't his throwing shoulder, but the way he plays and throws himself around, I can totally buy not feeling totally comfortable with a surgically repaired shoulder leading to playing poorly. Add to that the dysfunction in Carolina and there ya go.
Shocking to see the Chefs get some favorable calls.
Great play call for the TD
;D ;D
That drive was the complete Trevor Lawrence experience. It had everything you could ask for.
Chiefs get the L despite the refs best efforts.
Quote from: Dish on October 06, 2025, 10:12:35 PMThat drive was the complete Trevor Lawrence experience. It had everything you could ask for.
Including him picking his nose on live TV just before the drive.
Quote from: forgetful on October 06, 2025, 10:49:30 PMIncluding him picking his nose on live TV just before the drive.
Trevor Lawrence, scoop poster?
Harrison Butker should spend more time practicing kicking than telling women how to live their lives
Quote from: JWags85 on October 06, 2025, 08:26:13 PMIts a bit of revisionist history after watching him once he left mid season, but I'm pretty confident in saying Baker wasn't fully healthy/back to 100% with the Panthers. Joined a new team less than 6 months after shoulder surgery, starting less than 2 months later, I think he was just totally out of sorts physically. I know it wasn't his throwing shoulder, but the way he plays and throws himself around, I can totally buy not feeling totally comfortable with a surgically repaired shoulder leading to playing poorly. Add to that the dysfunction in Carolina and there ya go.
That's all reasonable.
He needed to get healthy, he needed to get the eff outta Charlotte, and he needed to find a good fit.
Check, check, and check ... and he's probably the MVP through week 5.
Chris Jones decided to sit out the biggest play of the game.
https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1975402337687499140
https://x.com/SharpFootball/status/1975410056901333331
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 06, 2025, 11:40:44 AMSadly, it appears it wasn't a fatherless black man that caused Mark Sanchez to get felony charges for assault.
Sanchez may soon learn a more disturbing meaning to "butt fumble" in the Marion County Jail
https://x.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1975611840920248746
Flacco is 85 years old. But probably still worth a shot to try to save a seemingly doomed season for the Bengals.
Related: Dillon Gabriel was better than I expected. He played at least as well against the Vikings in London as Jaxson Dart did in his debut for the Giants that some were heralding as spectacular. Gabriel definitely played better this past week than Dart did.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 07, 2025, 01:02:12 PMhttps://x.com/AroundTheNFL/status/1975611840920248746
Maybe play him on defense?
Bengals defense was solid this past Sunday.
nm
The continued pants wetting over Bad Bunny might make it the most watched Super Bowl halftime show ever
I think 82 year old Lee Greenwood would be an excellent choice. He's been married five times, the first time to a 17 year old. What's more American than that?
Quote from: The Sultan on October 08, 2025, 11:50:13 AMI think 82 year old Lee Greenwood would be an excellent choice. He's been married five times, the first time to a 17 year old. What's more American than that?
I don't think marrying underage girls is a crime anymore.
Packers get another crack at Joe Flacco.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 08, 2025, 12:05:03 PMPackers get another crack at Joe Flacco.
If they lose this game...
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2025, 11:47:43 AMThe continued pants wetting over Bad Bunny might make it the most watched Super Bowl halftime show ever
Will there be subtitles? I only speak American.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 08, 2025, 12:22:44 PMWill there be subtitles? I only speak American.
what about Lee Greenwood? I want Amurican muzik.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 08, 2025, 11:47:43 AMThe continued pants wetting over Bad Bunny might make it the most watched Super Bowl halftime show ever
The halftime show at America's biggest sporting event should highlight American artists like U2 and Paul McCartney.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 08, 2025, 01:00:42 PMThe halftime show at America's biggest sporting event should highlight American artists like U2 and Paul McCartney.
I'm more of a fan of Coldplay, Rihanna, Rolling Stones, The Weeknd, Shakira, The Who
Nugent and Kid Rock would bring the house down.
On another note ...
How poorly must Shedeur be practicing that Stefanski won't even name him QB2 over Bailey Zappe?
Either that, or the Browns are trying to teach him some kind of lesson.
Quote from: MU82 on October 08, 2025, 05:02:54 PMOn another note ...
How poorly must Shedeur be practicing that Stefanski won't even name him QB2 over Bailey Zappe?
Either that, or the Browns are trying to teach him some kind of lesson.
Maybe it's a third option: they don't want to back up a rookie with a rookie who has never been active for an NFL game yet.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 08, 2025, 05:25:52 PMMaybe it's a third option: they don't want to back up a rookie with a rookie who has never been active for an NFL game yet.
That's fair.
Quote from: MU82 on October 08, 2025, 04:53:53 PMNugent and Kid Rock would bring the house down.
House of Representatives maybe
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 08, 2025, 12:22:44 PMWill there be subtitles? I only speak American.
you don't have to worry about that now, the Charlie Kirk Memorial Whites Only Halftime Show has been announced:
https://www.americanhalftimeshow.com/
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on October 09, 2025, 12:37:44 PMyou don't have to worry about that now, the Charlie Kirk Memorial Whites Only Halftime Show has been announced:
https://www.americanhalftimeshow.com/
Excellent news for racists
more media lies considering the eleventy quadrillion people who are boycotting over Roger Rabbit or whoever it is performing at halftime of the super bowl:
NFL Viewership Reaches Highest Level Since 2010, Up 8% from 2024
https://frontofficesports.com/nfl-viewership-reaches-highest-level-since-2010-up-8-from-2024/?utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=NFL%20Ratings%20Hit%2015-Year%20High&utm_content=NFL%20Ratings%20Hit%2015-Year%20High+CID_4bc930c8deb2b641d61ef2e701a3de08&utm_source=FOS%20Daily%20Newsletter&utm_term=NFL%20Viewership%20Reaches%20Highest%20Level%20Since%202010%20Up%208%20from%202024
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 09, 2025, 01:17:27 PMExcellent news for racists
There's been little other than excellent news for racists these last 11 months. These are their glory days.
I wonder if AJ brown and Devonte smith will murder Jalen hurts on national television if they lose tonight.
Not a good night for Philly fan.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 09, 2025, 09:39:41 PMI wonder if AJ brown and Devonte smith will murder Jalen hurts on national television if they lose tonight.
Isn't Marvin Harrison from Philly?
Too soon?
Eagles need to have a players' meeting....... oh right, done that.
Eagles HC needs a vote of confidence.
Eagles now over -400 in yard differential for the season.
That's not a winning formula long term.
Is there a bigger beneficiary of an elite supporting cast than Jalen hurts in the past five years?
The Eagles commit a false-start penalty on the tush push every single time. Or it would be a false start if it ever gets called.
Well whatever happens today at least Ron Darling isn't on the call.
How were the Jaguars 4-1? The Seahawks didn't even play all that well today, and they were missing 3/4ths of their starting secondary. Yet they controlled the entire game as Jacksonville and Lawrence mostly sucked.
Quote from: MU82 on October 12, 2025, 03:35:45 PMHow were the Jaguars 4-1? The Seahawks didn't even play all that well today, and they were missing 3/4ths of their starting secondary. Yet they controlled the entire game as Jacksonville and Lawrence mostly sucked.
Seahawks have a good pass rush and Jags were too busy reading all the accolades after a short week.
Run offense looks fixed for the Packers ::)
Quote from: GB Warrior on October 12, 2025, 03:45:08 PMRun offense looks fixed for the Packers ::)
The OL is trash. You aren't getting far when teams can get pressure rushing three.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 12, 2025, 04:09:12 PMThe OL is trash. You aren't getting far when teams can get pressure rushing three.
Hope LaFleur's dream job is in Happy Valley
Quote from: The Sultan on October 12, 2025, 04:09:12 PMThe OL is trash. You aren't getting far when teams can get pressure rushing three.
Gutey wiffed on remaking the line into a duo powerhouse. Changed what they were looking for and it is...not working
Not the it matters. Not of the receivers appear to be able to get open downfield anyways.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 12, 2025, 04:36:04 PMNot the it matters. Not of the receivers appear to be able to get open downfield anyways.
Because there are 7 or 8 in coverage.
This Packers team is poorly coached at all levels
Didn't realize how good the Cincy OL is.
Ok. The running on that drive was nice.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 12, 2025, 05:25:08 PMOk. The running on that drive was nice.
Josh Jacobs is decidedly not the problem. Nice block by Morgan on the TD
I have absolutely no confidence in the packers secondary if they were actually relied on to do anything. Nixon might be one of the worst CB1s in the league.
This DLine is trash.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 12, 2025, 05:57:32 PMI have absolutely no confidence in the packers secondary if they were actually relied on to do anything. Nixon might be one of the worst CB1s in the league.
Packers have a collection of fine CBs. Which is the whole problem
I'd feel a lot more comfortable with Anders on the sidelines.
Bisaccia would've coached him up.
I'm very jealous of Cincy's Hendrickson-less pass rush.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on October 12, 2025, 06:10:43 PMI'm very jealous of Cincy's Hendrickson-less pass rush.
We could pick 4 scoopers and line them up and they'd pressure Love
Parsons is held an awful lot for someone that very few of the holds are called.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 12, 2025, 06:12:17 PMWe could pick 4 scoopers and line them up and they'd pressure Love
muggsy would just walk between their legs, wouldn't even crouch down.
Quote from: forgetful on October 12, 2025, 06:13:57 PMParsons is held an awful lot for someone that very few of the holds are called.
He did get tackled on that one pass. Was pretty blatant
Anyone else find it odd, and crappy from a fan perspective, to have nets catch field goals and extra points.
Can they really not afford to have more game balls ready?
Jacksonville won the coin toss and Liam Coen opted to receive - they were gonna set the tone by marching the ball right down the field.
After getting the kickoff, they lost 15 yards on 3 plays, including a sack and a penalty, and had to punt.
In the second half, Seattle took advantage of getting the ball first by going 80 yards to open a 14-point lead, and it was all but over.
Harrison Butker should spend more time kicking and less time in politics
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 12, 2025, 08:05:49 PMHarrison Butker should spend more time kicking and less time in politics
Shut up and kick?
Branch should be suspended. Which just further depletes the secondary. Plumbers and firefighters next week against Mayfield.
Jaxon Smith-Njigba played really well last year, so I knew he was good. But I didn't know he would be the best WR in the entire league, which statistically he is.
He and Darnold are quite the combination.
Quote from: tower912 on October 13, 2025, 05:49:34 AMBranch should be suspended. Which just further depletes the secondary. Plumbers and firefighters next week against Mayfield.
This is like his 5th run in. Give him 3 games to cool off. Lions don't seem to like being little brothered based on the cheap shots by Branch and Hutchinson
Like the Tigers, needed more from the offense.
Quote from: tower912 on October 13, 2025, 05:49:34 AMBranch should be suspended. Which just further depletes the secondary. Plumbers and firefighters next week against Mayfield.
The Seahawks were without half their secondary when they played the Bucs 2 weeks ago, and then another starting CB got hurt early in the game. In the second half, they were playing a safety at CB and a linebacker at safety. It was obvious that they'd have to simply outscore the Bucs ... and they almost did before losing 38-35.
So that's what the Lions will have to do. It makes things difficult, but not impossible.
What hurt the Seahawks is that they also were missing two starting defensive lineman, so they couldn't get much pressure on Mayfield. The linemen were back this week, so even though their secondary was depleted, they were able to get to Lawrence. That's also what the Lions will have to do.
McNeill probably returns against Tampa Bay. Probably 20ish snaps in passing situations. It will be up to the front 7.
Brian Callahan out in Tennessee.
Bring LaFleuer home, Tennessee.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2025, 01:27:26 PMBrian Callahan out in Tennessee.
Bring LaFleuer home, Tennessee.
James Franklin has had success in Tennessee.
Quote from: cheebs09 on October 13, 2025, 01:30:53 PMJames Franklin has had success in Tennessee.
So has Lane Kiffin.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on October 13, 2025, 01:27:26 PMBrian Callahan out in Tennessee.
Bring LaFleuer home, Tennessee.
Was anybody expecting better results from the Titans this year?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 13, 2025, 03:02:08 PMWas anybody expecting better results from the Titans this year?
No. They are just another poorly run franchise. Next year will be their FIFTH straight with a new GM / head coach combo.
Robinson / Vrabel
Carthon / Vrabel
Carthon / Callahan
Borgonzi / Callahan (plus whomever the interim is)
Borgonzi / ???
There are so many models of competant franchises out there. Why do teams do this?
Quote from: The Sultan on October 13, 2025, 03:21:27 PMNo. They are just another poorly run franchise. Next year will be their FIFTH straight with a new GM / head coach combo.
Robinson / Vrabel
Carthon / Vrabel
Carthon / Callahan
Borgonzi / Callahan (plus whomever the interim is)
Borgonzi / ???
There are so many models of competant franchises out there. Why do teams do this?
I'd say because they a poorly run, they make consistently make bad hires, that then need to be replaced.
I guess you could give them credit for recognizing poor performers and moving on? The Bulls and White Sox have proven that just keeping people in place does not guaranty good results.
Justin Fields is really working out nicely for the Jets. A bargain at $30M guaranteed!
Quote from: The Sultan on October 13, 2025, 03:21:27 PMNo. They are just another poorly run franchise. Next year will be their FIFTH straight with a new GM / head coach combo.
Robinson / Vrabel
Carthon / Vrabel
Carthon / Callahan
Borgonzi / Callahan (plus whomever the interim is)
Borgonzi / ???
Good gracious. Is there a school of thought that its actually better to stick your new coach or GM with an incumbent in the other position. Just start over. It might not be "fair" but just crap can Borgonzi and say "hey sorry this wasn't really your fault but we can't keep doing this cycle."
Quote from: MU82 on October 13, 2025, 03:31:23 PMJustin Fields is really working out nicely for the Jets. A bargain at $30M guaranteed!
Like Wojo, he just need some more time. ::)
Quote from: MUBurrow on October 13, 2025, 03:42:13 PMGood gracious. Is there a school of thought that its actually better to stick your new coach or GM with an incumbent in the other position. Just start over. It might not be "fair" but just crap can Borgonzi and say "hey sorry this wasn't really your fault but we can't keep doing this cycle."
If you liked him enough to hire him as your GM nine months ago, you probably should give him a chance to hire a coach.
The mistake was hiring him and forcing him to keep a coach who wasn't his guy and, based on his first year, seemed to be in way over his head. My guess is Borgonzi took the job with assurances that there was a short leash on Callahan and he'd be given an opportunity to hire his own guy if things continued to go south.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on October 13, 2025, 03:49:21 PMLike Wojo, he just need some more time. ::)
Can you put a price on being guaranteed the first overall pick
Quote from: Pakuni on October 13, 2025, 03:53:11 PMIf you liked him enough to hire him as your GM nine months ago, you probably should give him a chance to hire a coach.
The mistake was hiring him and forcing him to keep a coach who wasn't his guy and, based on his first year, seemed to be in way over his head. My guess is Borgonzi took the job with assurances that there was a short leash on Callahan and he'd be given an opportunity to hire his own guy if things continued to go south.
So after you draft a rookie quarterback and have him learn another system in year two...
Heh. The Titans still owe two years on Robinson's GM contract, three on Carthon's, and three on Callahan's.
Amazing work.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 13, 2025, 04:01:41 PMSo after you draft a rookie quarterback and have him learn another system in year two...
That is the patented
Chicago Bears System. You need to pay a royalty when refer to it.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 13, 2025, 04:01:41 PMSo after you draft a rookie quarterback and have him learn another system in year two...
I guess I'm confused by the sentiment. Letting your newly hired pick his coach is dumb, but firing him and letting another newly hired GM pick his coach is smart?
The fault here is with Titans' ownership for bringing in a new GM and forcing him to start the season with his predecessor's coach. You can correct that by letting your new GM pick his coach.
Quote from: Pakuni on October 13, 2025, 04:20:28 PMI guess I'm confused by the sentiment. Letting your newly hired pick his coach is dumb, but firing him and letting another newly hired GM pick his coach is smart?
The fault here is with Titans' ownership for bringing in a new GM and forcing him to start the season with his predecessor's coach. You can correct that by letting your new GM pick his coach.
No, I agree with you. I'm not saying they should keep Callahan. It's obvious he should go. By doing it this way, you have just made it harder for your quarterback of the future. They should have cleaned house last year.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 13, 2025, 04:22:16 PMNo, I agree with you. They should have cleaned house last year. But by doing it this way, you have just made it harder for your quarterback of the future.
No, it teaches him grit and adversity like it did for Baker Mayfield, so that he can go and have a long and impactful career for not your franchise.
Quote from: The Sultan on October 13, 2025, 04:22:16 PMNo, I agree with you. I'm not saying they should keep Callahan. It's obvious he should go. By doing it this way, you have just made it harder for your quarterback of the future. They should have cleaned house last year.
Got it. My misunderstanding.
Can teams in the NFL finally realize how bad Fields is? It's not the other players fault.
Glad the Lions dodged the Z train this season.
Quote from: Jockey on October 13, 2025, 04:58:55 PMCan teams in the NFL finally realize how bad Fields is? It's not the other players fault.
The problem isn't just that Fields is bad, but also that there aren't 30+ people on the planet who are better.
It's probably a combination of poor development by NFL teams and colleges, and the league simply growing beyond the number of people on the planet capable of playing the position at a high level. Regardless, there are more QB1 jobs out there than QB1 people.
Quote from: tower912 on October 13, 2025, 05:18:44 PMGlad the Lions dodged the Z train this season.
What a nightmare. Hope he gets the help he needs.
Dolphins/Jets/Ravens/Saints
Combined win/loss record of 3-21.
Are we sure the Bills are good? Because that's their four wins.
NFL/refs loves the Redskins
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 13, 2025, 08:05:11 PMNFL/refs loves the Redskins
The Bears will get the satisfaction of an apology letter from the NFL on the illegal formation call.
Bears losses have been more on the offense and penalties than the defense
Penalties and the offense...
Wow. Can the Bears take advantage?
Wow. I'm shocked the Bears got the W.
Quote from: MuggsyB on October 13, 2025, 10:20:46 PMWow. I'm shocked the Bears got the W.
Wouldn't be stopped by Jayden and the refs
Quote from: The Sultan on October 13, 2025, 04:05:51 PMHeh. The Titans still owe two years on Robinson's GM contract, three on Carthon's, and three on Callahan's.
Amazing work.
Borngonzi ain't goin away! - Charlie Daniels voice
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 13, 2025, 10:21:40 PMWouldn't be stopped by Jayden and the refs
Still in last place of the NFC North. :(
Quote from: jesmu84 on October 13, 2025, 10:21:40 PMWouldn't be stopped by Jayden and the refs
Complaining about the refs is usually a fools errand, but man they hurt tonight. And on seemingly blatant blown calls. The OPI on Loveland was soft as hell at the most generous. The illegal formation call was absolutely atrocious. I frankly think Brisker got absolutely screwed on the roughing the passer call, but that's more to the kiddie gloves the NFL has for QBs these days. Weak but I suppose the correct call.
Regardless, awesome resilient win. Amazing to see Swift being really impactful. Big props to Jake Moody. Good team win.
If not for the refs, the Bears would be 7-0.
Quote from: MU82 on Today at 12:47:21 AMIf not for the refs, the Bears would be 7-0.
And lack of Bears weather
The NFL is such a glorious mess right now. No idea who the real contenders are.
Quote from: GB Warrior on Today at 07:56:36 AMThe NFL is such a glorious mess right now. No idea who the real contenders are.
Once Bears weather hits, game over, NFL