Welcome to the new year.
After winning their Super Bowl in week 17, the Bears are raising ticket prices by an average of 10% for the upcoming season.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 19, 2025, 01:09:03 PMWelcome to the new year.
After winning their Super Bowl in week 17, the Bears are raising ticket prices by an average of 10% for the upcoming season.
If the state won't make taxpayers fund Kevin Warren's lakefront palace, somebody's got to.
I refuse to acknowledge 2025. I will post in NFL 2024.
Season doesn't start for me until the league does right by Anders.
New season, same curse.
Predictions for Justin Tucker in the 2025 season?
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 19, 2025, 06:40:40 PMPredictions for Justin Tucker in the 2025 season?
2 - 4 years and civil judgment in the millions?
A white guy who assaults women?
He'll probably get a contract extension.
Quote from: Jockey on February 19, 2025, 09:16:00 PMA white guy who assaults women?
He'll probably get a contract extension.
Oh yeah, good one Jockey. Deshaun Watson sound familiar? Let me help you, $230M guaranteed after more than 20 women came forward.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on February 19, 2025, 06:43:59 PM2 - 4 years and civil judgment in the millions?
4-5 years to judge
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 19, 2025, 10:51:32 PMOh yeah, good one Jockey. Deshaun Watson sound familiar? Let me help you, $230M guaranteed after more than 20 women came forward.
Thk u for supporting equal opportunity misogyny Hutch
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 20, 2025, 12:07:51 PMThk u for supporting equal opportunity misogyny Hutch
No, that isn't even close. Just pointing out how incredibly stupid the racial comment was.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 20, 2025, 01:05:13 PMNo, that isn't even close. Just pointing out how incredibly stupid the racial comment was.
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Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 20, 2025, 01:05:13 PMNo, that isn't even close. Just pointing out how incredibly stupid the racial comment was.
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Bad offseason for Dallas just got worse.
Zack Martin is retiring.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 20, 2025, 04:23:55 PMBad offseason for Dallas just got worse.
Zack Martin is retiring.
Hard reset.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 20, 2025, 04:23:55 PMBad offseason for Dallas just got worse.
Zack Martin is retiring.
Martin perfectly highlights the fascinating duality of Offensive Linemen. He's the best OL since Joe Thomas and quite possibly a top 5 OL of all time. But he's not a household name, not even among average NFL fans. But unlike some positions that aren't as widely known to casuals, OL are highly paid commiserate to their value.
I consider myself a big fan of the NFL, and had no clue he was a 7 time first team all pro. and two time second team all pro. In an 11 year career. The only years he missed were likely because of injury. That is nutty.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 21, 2025, 09:53:50 AMI consider myself a big fan of the NFL, and had no clue he was a 7 time first team all pro. and two time second team all pro. In an 11 year career. The only years he missed were likely because of injury. That is nutty.
He had more All Pro selections than holding penalties called against him in his career.
Stafford has been given permission to seek a trade out of LA. Where would he be the missing piece for a couple of seasons?
Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2025, 04:14:39 PMStafford has been given permission to seek a trade out of LA. Where would he be the missing piece for a couple of seasons?
His brother-in-law just got hired as the Giants' assistant QB coach.
Daboll and Schoen arguably can't wait for a rookie QB to develop.
Makes you go hmmmm.
Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2025, 04:14:39 PMStafford has been given permission to seek a trade out of LA. Where would he be the missing piece for a couple of seasons?
Who are the Rams going to plug in? He's still a top 15 QB on a good team. I could understand the Rams taking a QB in the first round but I don't get letting Stafford walk from a playoff quality team.
Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2025, 04:14:39 PMStafford has been given permission to seek a trade out of LA. Where would he be the missing piece for a couple of seasons?
You know the answer to this
Quote from: tower912 on February 22, 2025, 04:14:39 PMStafford has been given permission to seek a trade out of LA. Where would he be the missing piece for a couple of seasons?
Lions
Quote from: Pakuni on February 22, 2025, 04:17:49 PMHis brother-in-law just got hired as the Giants' assistant QB coach.
Daboll and Schoen arguably can't wait for a rookie QB to develop.
Makes you go hmmmm.
Supposedly Matthew's wife was quoted recently about interest in living in greater New York (or something like that).
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 22, 2025, 06:21:27 PMLions
I think Stafford is a better QB than Goff. However, like Shaka, I think the power structure at Detroit wants it to be about culture. Bringing Stafford back and dumping Goff would be too expensive, too disruptive, and hypocritical. (From their perspective)
Quote from: tower912 on February 23, 2025, 07:52:39 AMI think Stafford is a better QB than Goff. However, like Shaka, I think the power structure at Detroit wants it to be about culture. Bringing Stafford back and dumping Goff would be too expensive, too disruptive, and hypocritical. (From their perspective)
Depending on what they think of Goff's ability to lead them to a Super Bowl, it could be a nice bit of business for the Lions.
Stafford's cap hit the next two seasons is $49.7 million and $53.7 million. The actual cash payout is $27 million and $31 million.
For Goff, the numbers are $32.6 million next year, but then $69.6 million in 2026. Cash figures are $18 million and $55 million.
So, there's a little cap savings with Goff for 2025, but then he costs quite a bit more in 2026 and is more expensive in terms of actual dollars over the two seasons.
But then, Stafford is an free agent in 2027 (if he's even still playing), whereas the Lions are on the hook for another year of Goff, with a $54.6 million cap hit and $40 million cash. Those probably aren't huge numbers in 2027, but they're a drag if Goff proves unable to get the team to a Super Bowl the next two seasons.
I don't see why the Rams would want Goff in return. If they're really going to move on from Stafford, it's to move on from his contract. And given the dead cap they'd need to absorb by trading him (nearly $50 million), I can't imagine they'd want another big contract in return.
Guys I was kidding.
I think this is the Rams way to do two things at once - find fair market value is for Stafford at this stage in his career, and find trade value if FMV outpaces their willingness to pay.
I'd put the chances of him being traded at about 25%
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 23, 2025, 09:32:39 AMGuys I was kidding.
I think this is the Rams way to do two things at once - find fair market value is for Stafford at this stage in his career, and find trade value if FMV outpaces their willingness to pay.
I'd put the chances of him being traded at about 25%
Use teal
Quote from: Pakuni on February 23, 2025, 08:44:59 AMBut then, Stafford is an free agent in 2027 (if he's even still playing), whereas the Lions are on the hook for another year of Goff, with a $54.6 million cap hit and $40 million cash. Those probably aren't huge numbers in 2027, but they're a drag if Goff proves unable to get the team to a Super Bowl the next two seasons.
By your reasoning, the Ravens should dump Lamar cuz he can't get them to a Super Bowl (and probably never will). It seems awful cavalier to suggest dumping Goff who is still one of the better QBs in the League when you look at the QB wilderness that so many teams are stuck in. His money is not unreasonable for a guy in his prime who gets the playoffs almost every year and has won a SB.
As a Packers fan, I would love to see the Lions dump Goff, but it ain't happenin'.
Quote from: Jockey on February 23, 2025, 11:12:32 AMBy your reasoning, the Ravens should dump Lamar cuz he can't get them to a Super Bowl (and probably never will). It seems awful cavalier to suggest dumping Goff who is still one of the better QBs in the League when you look at the QB wilderness that so many teams are stuck in. His money is not unreasonable for a guy in his prime who gets the playoffs almost every year and has won a SB.
As a Packers fan, I would love to see the Lions dump Goff, but it ain't happenin'.
Which Super Bowl did Goff win?
You're just making stuff up here.
Notwithstanding your insane analogizing of Lamar to Jared Goff - one drives his team's success, the other is more of a passenger - I didn't write that the Lions should "dump Goff." I wrote that
if the Lions believe Goff can't get them a Super Bowl, it makes sense to look elsewhere. Because they otherwise have a Super Bowl roster which eventually will get wasted
if they don't believe Goff can be that guy.
These are the tough decisions teams need to make to win championships.
Jockey just wants to remind everyone of his absurd Lamar takes every so often.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 23, 2025, 11:36:02 AMWhich Super Bowl did Goff win?
You're just making stuff up here.
Notwithstanding your insane analogizing of Lamar to Jared Goff - one drives his team's success, the other is more of a passenger - I didn't write that the Lions should "dump Goff." I wrote that if the Lions believe Goff can't get them a Super Bowl, it makes sense to look elsewhere. Because they otherwise have a Super Bowl roster which eventually will get wasted if they don't believe Goff can be that guy.
These are the tough decisions teams need to make to win championships.
I wrote it wrong - meant to say he has been to a SB.
Lamar may have the best roster round him and can't get to one. He is another iteration of ARod - an MVP-caliber QB who for 10 Years & numerous MVPs wasn't able to get to a SB. Once Lamar gets to an actual SB, I'll change my opinion on his degree of greatness.
I just think Goff needs a bit more roster construction to get over the hump than other good QBs. Needs one more WR. Can you imagine him and Lamar on the same team?
Quote from: GB Warrior on February 23, 2025, 01:37:37 PMI just think Goff needs a bit more roster construction to get over the hump than other good QBs. Needs one more WR. Can you imagine him and Lamar on the same team?
That's reasonable, but he got to a SB with worse RB and TE and comparable WRs than what he has in Detroit.
Quote from: Jockey on February 23, 2025, 01:32:54 PMI wrote it wrong - meant to say he has been to a SB.
Lamar may have the best roster round him and can't get to one. He is another iteration of ARod - an MVP-caliber QB who for 10 Years & numerous MVPs wasn't able to get to a SB. Once Lamar gets to an actual SB, I'll change my opinion on his degree of greatness.
No, Lamar does not have the best roster around him, especially at the skill positions.
He's never had a Pro Bowl receiver and he's had just one receiver who's gone over 1,000 yards (and that was 1,059 in 17 games this year).
He's been his team's leading rusher every year except 2024.
Especially on offense, no one is taking the Ravens roster ahead of Detroit's.
The whole "never been to a Super Bowl" argument is silly.
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson and Justin Herbert have never been to a Super Bowl.
Jimmy Garappolo, Brock Purdy and Jared Goff have.
Which group are you taking?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 23, 2025, 10:47:23 AMUse teal
Teal is discriminatory against color blind MU fans.
Me suggesting use teal should have been in teal
If you can't beat it, ban it?
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1894109546714456120
Quote from: Pakuni on February 24, 2025, 06:39:15 PMIf you can't beat it, ban it?
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1894109546714456120
The Chicago Bears submitted a plan to the NFL to ban annual ass kickings by the Packers.
I think a team should hire a very small player, and catapult them downfield each play. Might be able to get 3 yards per play and be unstoppable.
In all seriousness, the Tush-Push should be made illegal again (would have been illegal pre-2006).
Quote from: forgetful on February 25, 2025, 10:34:11 PMI think a team should hire a very small player, and catapult them downfield each play. Might be able to get 3 yards per play and be unstoppable.
In all seriousness, the Tush-Push should be made illegal again (would have been illegal pre-2006).
And Muggsy would finally get the respect he deserves
Quote from: BM1090 on February 25, 2025, 11:30:28 PMAnd Muggsy would finally get the respect he deserves
Peyton manning like calling out "Omaha" but it's "Manatee"
Quote from: Pakuni on February 24, 2025, 06:39:15 PMIf you can't beat it, ban it?
https://x.com/DMRussini/status/1894109546714456120
One thing I heard is that a number of teams want to ban this but that Mark Murphy and the Packers agreed to submit it because it's his last meeting.
Most likely he did it to suck up to the chiefs to Taylor swift plays at lambeau on her next tour.
The NFLPA's annual report card is out.
You'll never guess who the worst owners are.
Kidding, you all know already.
https://nflpa.com/report-cards/2025
Quote from: Pakuni on February 26, 2025, 02:15:20 PMThe NFLPA's annual report card is out.
You'll never guess who the worst owners are.
Kidding, you all know already.
https://nflpa.com/report-cards/2025
New England and Pitt are "D"s? I did not expect that. The media tells us they are the best.
Miami very good?
https://x.com/Schultz_Report/status/1894831950478877046
I thought Bears ownership was the worst in sports history? Or the worst ownership in any industry ever. That's what some Scoopers have said, at least.
Brady wining and dining Stafford. LV?
We've got a good old-fashioned NFL insiders donnybrook.
https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jordan-schultz-verbally-accosted-ian-rapoport-at-a-starbucks-in-indianapolis
Looks like Stafford is going to stay in LA on a restructured deal and Packers are going after DK Metcalf.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on February 28, 2025, 01:16:46 PMLooks like Stafford is going to stay in LA on a restructured deal and Packers are going after DK Metcalf.
Raiders beat writer is reporting that the Rams asked for the #6 overall pick before restructuring Stafford and Vegas said no.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on February 28, 2025, 01:16:46 PMLooks like Stafford is going to stay in LA on a restructured deal and Packers are going after DK Metcalf.
Maybe we should offer all our unwanted pieces like Jaire and Doubs. Works in Madden.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 28, 2025, 02:19:17 PMRaiders beat writer is reporting that the Rams asked for the #6 overall pick before restructuring Stafford and Vegas said no.
Good for both the Raiders and the Rams. Stafford isn't worth the 6th pick and the Rams should keep Stafford, who is still very good on a good team.
Deebo Samuel to Washington for a 5th-round pick. Shazam.
Quote from: MU82 on March 02, 2025, 02:28:38 AMDeebo Samuel to Washington for a 5th-round pick. Shazam.
One of the most remarkable immediate turnarounds I've seen in the NFL in a long time. Yes, Daniels was great. But Peters, the new GM who came in with new ownership, signed 25+ FAs and absolutely CRUSHED it. Signed 4 guys who became All-Pros this year, on both sides of the ball, and now follows it up adding another huge weapon (provided he stays healthy) for Daniels. Just astounding
Definitely a shot across the bow of the rest of the NFC.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 02, 2025, 09:04:18 AMOne of the most remarkable immediate turnarounds I've seen in the NFL in a long time. Yes, Daniels was great. But Peters, the new GM who came in with new ownership, signed 25+ FAs and absolutely CRUSHED it. Signed 4 guys who became All-Pros this year, on both sides of the ball, and now follows it up adding another huge weapon (provided he stays healthy) for Daniels. Just astounding
At the price of a 5th round pick it's worth a risk on a guy who maybe will be rejuvenated by a change of scenery combined with heading into a possible free-agent year.
Realistically, they aren't getting 2021 Deebo - he hasn't been that guy in a while - but a low-risk, potentially good reward move.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 02, 2025, 11:14:26 AMAt the price of a 5th round pick it's worth a risk on a guy who maybe will be rejuvenated by a change of scenery combined with heading into a possible free-agent year.
Realistically, they aren't getting 2021 Deebo - he hasn't been that guy in a while - but a low-risk, potentially good reward move.
Agree 100%. Basically a risk-free acquisition of a talented, experienced player.
Jimmy Johnson retiring from the Fox studio show.
Now Terry Bradshaw needs to follow him.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 03, 2025, 01:03:37 PMJimmy Johnson retiring from the Fox studio show.
Now Terry Bradshaw needs to follow him.
He should have preceded him
Bears getting Jonah Jackson from the Rams for a 6th round pick.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 04, 2025, 11:45:54 AMBears getting Jonah Jackson from the Rams for a 6th round pick.
Whale of a trade.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 03, 2025, 01:03:37 PMJimmy Johnson retiring from the Fox studio show.
Now Terry Bradshaw needs to follow him.
I wonder how much Jimmy got paid to make one obvious observation a week. Same with most others on these 5- and 6-person NFL panels.
Bradshaw is so bad that it's almost endearing. Plus, it's employing a guy who took a lot of hits to the head on behalf of the NFL.
Jets cutting Devante Adams. Would've been silly to trade for him.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 04, 2025, 12:35:18 PMJets cutting Devante Adams. Would've been silly to trade for him.
Hard to believe nobody wants to take on a $38.2 million cap hit for a mercurial 32-year-old receiver.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 04, 2025, 11:51:11 AMWhale of a trade.
Decent potential for a 6th round pick. I have to assume a contract restructure is in the works.
Quote from: MU82 on March 04, 2025, 11:57:05 AMI wonder how much Jimmy got paid to make one obvious observation a week. Same with most others on these 5- and 6-person NFL panels.
Bradshaw is so bad that it's almost endearing. Plus, it's employing a guy who took a lot of hits to the head on behalf of the NFL.
Keeping Bradshaw elevates the perceived insights of Gronk
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 04, 2025, 01:26:53 PMDecent potential for a 6th round pick. I have to assume a contract restructure is in the works.
Bears have zero leverage for a restructure unless they want to give a healthy guarantee for 2026 (they don't want to).
This is at best a mediocre trade based on a $17M payday for 2025.
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 04, 2025, 12:35:18 PMJets cutting Devante Adams. Would've been silly to trade for him.
Will the Packers re-sign him?
Quote from: Dish on March 04, 2025, 07:33:35 PMBears have zero leverage for a restructure unless they want to give a healthy guarantee for 2026 (they don't want to).
This is at best a mediocre trade based on a $17M payday for 2025.
Jackson is a good player, but yeah, $17 million is a hefty price for a guard who's missed 18 games the past two seasons.
Quote from: forgetful on March 04, 2025, 07:44:02 PMWill the Packers re-sign him?
Well... In the end I doubt it, but I think they will at least look at it.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 04, 2025, 08:11:21 PMWell... In the end I doubt it, but I think they will at least look at it.
I think it's Adams decision first and foremost.
Quote from: Dish on March 04, 2025, 07:33:35 PMBears have zero leverage for a restructure unless they want to give a healthy guarantee for 2026 (they don't want to).
This is at best a mediocre trade based on a $17M payday for 2025.
They could cut him. I'd hope they would have negotiated a deal prior to trading.
Bears trading for another guard.
This time it's Joe Thuney from the Chefs for a 4th round pick.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 05, 2025, 09:30:27 AMBears trading for another guard.
This time it's Joe Thuney from the Chefs for a 4th round pick.
That's a good trade for the Bears. He is older, but that line needs a veteran presense. And he is only under contract for one more season. The Chiefs had his replacement set, which is one of the reasons he was moved to LT - where he was a disaster against the Eagles.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 05, 2025, 09:35:24 AMThat's a good trade for the Bears. He is older, but that line needs a veteran presense. And he is only under contract for one more season. The Chiefs had his replacement set, which is one of the reasons he was moved to LT - where he was a disaster against the Eagles.
I suppose it is decent in light of the fact that decent OL players don't hit FA so trades are the only option. Hate giving up draft capital when the Bears need more than just a better O-Line. I think the two trades opens up the option with going with a D-Lineman in the 1st round.
EDIT - I see it is a 2026 4th round pick that makes it a little better, plus the Bears will be picking 32nd each round in next years draft. (LOL)
(I give the Bears credit for at least trying to win as opposed to the Bulls and White Sox.)
Johnson watched Detroit get better by building up the lines and balancing the offense.
Jackson + Thuney for 4th/6th are good moves for this team without giving up too much.
Especially considering the amount of cap space and 3 top 40 picks.
I don't personally expect Super Bowl next season, so good opportunities to make the team better in the short and long term with these moves.
I would now expect them to go BPA/d-line with the 3 picks
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 05, 2025, 10:56:53 AMJackson + Thuney for 4th/6th are good moves for this team without giving up too much.
Especially considering the amount of cap space and 3 top 40 picks.
I don't personally expect Super Bowl next season, so good opportunities to make the team better in the short and long term with these moves.
I would now expect them to go BPA/d-line with the 3 picks
As much as I like to rag on the Bears (it's so easy) - these were both good moves. Thuney is still close to the top of his game. Jackson's a little more iffy, but a good guy to take a chance on for that cost. They have the money for the next few years, so use it where it helps the most.
Will the Bears bring their offseason championship trophy with them to Green Bay for the draft?
For the record I like both of these moves for them (especially Thuney)
Bears got fleeced
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 05, 2025, 12:54:19 PMBears got fleeced
Don't worry. The NFL will step in and void the trades.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 05, 2025, 01:34:19 PMDon't worry. The NFL will step in and void the trades.
The NFL hates the Bears. Its a well known fact. They're still not over the "Rozelle" headband.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 05, 2025, 01:40:44 PMThe NFL hates the Bears. Its a well known fact. They're still not over the "Rozelle" headband.
;D
The NFL's Hiroshima
Pretty happy with the two trades for the Bears, especially Thuney.
Cost them minimal draft capital and they have more than enough cap space. Once Trey Smith was franchised the options in free agency were mediocre. If either guy doesn't work out there is no longer term cap issues if they move.
Also adds a ton of flexibility in their approach to free agency and the draft.
Maxx Crosby is now the league's highest-paid non-QB.
At least until Micah Parsons signs his next contract.
Aidan Hutchinson is pleased.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 05, 2025, 12:07:46 PMWill the Bears bring their offseason championship trophy with them to Green Bay for the draft?
For the record I like both of these moves for them (especially Thuney)
It is an unimpressive trophy compared to the "it took a blocked field goal to beat a laughingstock team 1 of 2 times"
DK Metcalf asks for a trade. Seahawks taking offers.
Quote from: MU82 on March 05, 2025, 05:26:16 PMDK Metcalf asks for a trade. Seahawks taking offers.
The Packers should be interested, right?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 05, 2025, 07:41:55 PMThe Packers should be interested, right?
Imagine his old coach might be interested in bringing him to Vegas.
They have no one to throw the ball, but Metcalf-Meyers-Bowers would be a pretty fun trio.
The player the Packers should trade assets for is Trey Hendrickson, not Metcalfe.
They need an alpha at WR but give me a dude who sacks the QB
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2025, 05:07:28 PMThe player the Packers should trade assets for is Trey Hendrickson, not Metcalfe.
They need an alpha at WR but give me a dude who sacks the QB
I hope the Bears are very much in on Hendrickson. I love that dude, that Week 18 game against Pittsburgh, he was a one man wrecking crew.
He's a young 30 (won't turn 31 until December), been remarkably healthy, and I think a 4 year deal (guaranteed money for 3 years) will end up being a good deal for a team with future cap space flexibility.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 06, 2025, 05:07:28 PMThe player the Packers should trade assets for is Trey Hendrickson, not Metcalfe.
They need an alpha at WR but give me a dude who sacks the QB
He's great. But I will be floored if Metcalf fetches even close to the same amount of capital...If either is even really available.
Trading Hendrickson would be something given how barren that defense is already.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 06, 2025, 08:41:41 PMHe's great. But I will be floored if Metcalf fetches even close to the same amount of capital...If either is even really available.
Trading Hendrickson would be something given how barren that defense is already.
It's the Bengals
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 07:09:31 AMIt's the Bengals
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/00/77/9e/00779e5a7ed256a2318809b73a3cbcfc.gif)
Lions re-sign Barnes. If they stay healthy, Barnes, Campbell, and Anzalone are a solid LB trio.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 07:09:31 AMIt's the Bengals
What will it take?
I don't think the Bengals will feet a 1st in the deal. Would you give a 2nd this year, a 3rd next year and LVN?
Quote from: Jockey on March 07, 2025, 11:32:01 AMWhat will it take?
I don't think the Bengals will feet a 1st in the deal. Would you give a 2nd this year, a 3rd next year and LVN?
He'll be a popular target because it's doubtful Cincinnati cuts him, so you'll have to pony up. If all it costs is a 3rd and LVN, it's a fireable offense not to make the deal
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 12:00:34 PMHe'll be a popular target because it's doubtful Cincinnati cuts him, so you'll have to pony up. If all it costs is a 3rd and LVN, it's a fireable offense not to make the deal
If things worked like the NBA, the Packers might have to give up a 3rd just to get someone to take LVN.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 07, 2025, 12:00:34 PMHe'll be a popular target because it's doubtful Cincinnati cuts him, so you'll have to pony up. If all it costs is a 3rd and LVN, it's a fireable offense not to make the deal
The pony-ing up will be giving him a 3-year, $80m+ extension.
Geno Smith to the Raiders for a 3rd.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 07, 2025, 06:16:10 PMGeno Smith to the Raiders for a 3rd.
What on earth are the Seahawks doing
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 07, 2025, 06:41:27 PMWhat on earth are the Seahawks doing
My guess is that they are targeting Darnold. Quite a few years younger. And a 3rd for Geno is a pretty good deal.
Quote from: Jockey on March 07, 2025, 07:02:37 PMMy guess is that they are targeting Darnold. Quite a few years younger. And a 3rd for Geno is a pretty good deal.
Darnold behind that line will not just be seeing ghosts but will be turning into one
Gotta admit this one surprised me. Geno has weaknesses but he's been a legit NFL QB for years. Darnold sure as shyte can't say that ... and now he's about to get handed a sh!t-ton of money to go along with responsibility he hasn't shown he can handle.
Then again, it's scary if the Seahawks don't get him, too. There ain't nothing else out there.
I might be a Seahawks fan from afar
Close the book on Darnold for me!!1
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 07, 2025, 06:41:27 PMWhat on earth are the Seahawks doing
Isn't Pete Carroll the one who turned him into a legit starting QB?
https://x.com/WillKunkelFOX/status/1898383018735067200
The chiefs way
Rig games for them while they assault people on the side
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 08, 2025, 10:37:15 AMThe chiefs way
Rig games for them while they assault people on the side
Chiefs heading into 2025 with their top two WRs facing jail time (and potentially long suspensions).
I will laugh if AR ends up a Viking.
Quote from: tower912 on March 07, 2025, 08:55:47 AMLions re-sign Barnes. If they stay healthy, Barnes, Campbell, and Anzalone are a solid LB trio.
Bringing Davenport back on a heavily incentived 1 year deal. So injury prone.
Myles Garrett gets a new deal.
Maxx Crosby's reign as the highest paid non-QB lasted a glorious four days.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44178418/sources-myles-garrett-browns-agree-record-contract-extension
Quote from: Pakuni on March 09, 2025, 11:03:54 AMMyles Garrett gets a new deal.
Maxx Crosby's reign as the highest paid non-QB lasted a glorious four days.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44178418/sources-myles-garrett-browns-agree-record-contract-extension
Well, Myles did say he wanted to win.
The Cowboys not locking up Parsons early, like the Bengals and Chase, is looking pretty foolish.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 09, 2025, 11:57:07 AMThe Cowboys not locking up Parsons early, like the Bengals and Chase, is looking pretty foolish.
Well, I wouldn't say they've been great in recent years in handling resigning their stars.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 09, 2025, 11:57:07 AMThe Cowboys not locking up Parsons early, like the Bengals and Chase, is looking pretty foolish.
This is what poorly run teams do. Price only goes up.
Now, that being said, the Browns have been successful at pissing off 31 other teams through market-resetting deals. They summarily ignored the Watson deal as the new standard (fully guaranteed) but will have a harder time ignoring this one. Will cost a lot of extra money for Parsons.
New contract for Trey Hendrickson goes up.
Cincy's return for him goes down. May not get a 1st back for him.
Aaron Jones staying in Minnesota.
Za'darius Smith is available.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 09, 2025, 03:54:18 PMAaron Jones staying in Minnesota.
Good for him. Rare move that worked out for everyone. I don't think Jones is as good for the Packers behind a bad run-blocking line
Devante Adams headed to the rams
Quote from: CreightonWarrior on March 09, 2025, 06:13:35 PMDevante Adams headed to the rams
That was nonsense the talk of him returning to GB. We don't need a guy entering his 33 year old season as our #1 WR, even #2. Plus the Packers do not bring back aging veterans. Never been their MO.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 09, 2025, 06:23:24 PMThat was nonsense the talk of him returning to GB. We don't need a guy entering his 33 year old season as our #1 WR, even #2. Plus the Packers do not bring back aging veterans. Never been their MO.
It wasn't, but he's still a very good option and a man coverage beater they desperately need. He'll be a great fit for what the Rams need as well.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 09, 2025, 06:33:54 PMIt wasn't, but he's still a very good option and a man coverage beater they desperately need. He'll be a great fit for what the Rams need as well.
Just wait until the youngsters blossom
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 09, 2025, 06:35:06 PMJust wait until the youngsters blossom
5 years to judge
DK Metcalf going to be traded to the Steelers.
Who throws him the ball?
Sell the team packers shareholders
Quote from: The Sultan on March 09, 2025, 06:50:35 PMDK Metcalf going to be traded to the Steelers.
Last player left in Seattle, please turn out the lights!
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 09, 2025, 06:53:41 PMSell the team packers shareholders
Is Jeff Janis still available?
Quote from: tower912 on March 09, 2025, 06:51:04 PMWho throws him the ball?
They're giving DK $30 million/year, which makes me think they expect to go cheap on QB. Running it back with Fields or Russ seems mostly likely. Would they give up more draft capital to move up for Sanders?
QB no matta
Quote from: MU82 on March 09, 2025, 08:26:40 PMQB no matta
"QBs? We don't need no stinkin QBs!"
I thought they were settling for a darn old retread.
I hope Drew Dalman signs anywhere but Chicago. Bears fans/Bears twitter will have you believe he's the second coming of Mike Webster.
Overpaying a lot to a mediocre player like Dalman is how you stay bad as an organization.
According to the reporting, Packers never made an offer to Adams or for DK. Not good.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 09, 2025, 10:35:24 PMAccording to the reporting, Packers never made an offer to Adams or for DK. Not good.
Packers were never paying a receiver DK's contract.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 03:45:00 AMPackers were never paying a receiver DK's contract.
Packers wideouts sure better take a big leap next year
A Lambeau leap?
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 03:45:00 AMPackers were never paying a receiver DK's contract.
Not surprised either with that price tag, but the margins to improve at that spot are now very slim
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2025, 06:45:09 AMPackers wideouts sure better take a big leap next year
Yes.
However my larger concern is an edge rusher. If the plan was to go all in for a guy like Hendrickson, I'm cool with that.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 08:04:02 AMYes.
However my larger concern is an edge rusher. If the plan was to go all in for a guy like Hendrickson, I'm cool with that.
Likewise. I don't think they will, though. This draft isn't good enough to fill needs and get impact players. This is one to be willing to give up picks.
If they don't do something significant to improve the defense this year via free agency or trades, and simply stand pat and draft away, I hope the change in the President role will mean a harder look at what the GM is doing. They have dug themselves out of a bad cap situation, locked up their offense for awhile, but are woefully inadequate on the defensive line right now. To take a leap they need to take some chances.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2025, 08:05:36 AMLikewise. I don't think they will, though. This draft isn't good enough to fill needs and get impact players. This is one to be willing to give up picks.
The consensus on this draft is that there are just a handful of potentially elite players and after that, there's not a ton of space between guy #10 and guy #50.
Bad year to be picking in the teens and early 20s.
Panthers making Jaycee Horn the highest-paid CB in the league.
Not bad for a guy who's missed nearly as many games (31) as he's played (37) in his career.
Quote from: Dish on March 09, 2025, 09:09:26 PMI hope Drew Dalman signs anywhere but Chicago. Bears fans/Bears twitter will have you believe he's the second coming of Mike Webster.
Overpaying a lot to a mediocre player like Dalman is how you stay bad as an organization.
Welp.
Caleb's rookie contract gives margin for error for less than optimal contracts. Even the line graduating to 'meh' is a whole standard deviation from last year.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 10, 2025, 11:40:08 AMCaleb's rookie contract gives margin for error for less than optimal contracts. Even the line graduating to 'meh' is a whole standard deviation from last year.
An improved offensive line isn't going to fix this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1ho9kxw/nfl_teams_by_sacks_attributed_to_the_qb_vs_the_ol/#lightbox
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 11:42:36 AMAn improved offensive line isn't going to fix this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1ho9kxw/nfl_teams_by_sacks_attributed_to_the_qb_vs_the_ol/#lightbox
No, but a better coach can.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 11:42:36 AMAn improved offensive line isn't going to fix this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1ho9kxw/nfl_teams_by_sacks_attributed_to_the_qb_vs_the_ol/#lightbox
No it won't. Johnson is going to have to re-wire Caleb in that respect. But you do that by providing outlets for him where he can trust the system a bit. I thought that improved when Thomas Brown took over, and would expect a huge jump under Johnson.
Free agency is not a perfect allocation of resources but I'd be pleased if I'm a bears fan.
Sigh.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 10, 2025, 11:40:08 AMCaleb's rookie contract gives margin for error for less than optimal contracts. Even the line graduating to 'meh' is a whole standard deviation from last year.
I agree with this. I complained / observed last season that the Bears would be a pretty good team is they could just get pedestrian O-line play.
Dalman is an overpay like Sweat, but I am in favor of this directionally. And, to make the most obvious statement in the world, they need to draft well to set themselves up when/if they have to pay Williams.
Dan Moore, $50M guaranteed!!!
Insane.
Quote from: Dish on March 10, 2025, 12:03:07 PMDan Moore, $50M guaranteed!!!
Insane.
This, on the other hand, is nuts. As is the bag that Kinlaw got from the Commanders
Quote from: Dish on March 10, 2025, 12:03:07 PMDan Moore, $50M guaranteed!!!
Insane.
I was just about to post this as our early leader for worst FA signing of the cycle.
The fact a OL-deficient team like the Steelers were happy to let Moore walk should tell you everything.
Watching these CB deals roll in, if I'm GB I'm sitting on Jaire for awhile. No rush...
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 11:42:36 AMAn improved offensive line isn't going to fix this.
https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/comments/1ho9kxw/nfl_teams_by_sacks_attributed_to_the_qb_vs_the_ol/#lightbox
If this chart is accurate, Williams percentage of total sacks he is responsible for isn't great but better than Stroud, Stafford, Darnold, Herbert, Geno Smith?
Getting sacked a whole bunch increases the nominal total sure but the % isn't that much an outlier.
Lions add DJ Reed, lose Carlton Davis.
Darnold is a Seahawk.
Hope he got the bag, because I can't imagine any other reason he would go there.
Update: 3 years, $110 million ($55 million guaranteed).
Have to admit, with some of the crazy contracts being thrown around today, that's less than I expected for Darnold. That said, I'm not convinced he isn't a one-year wonder that fell into an ideal situation last year.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 01:25:08 PMDarnold is a Seahawk.
Hope he got the bag, because I can't imagine any other reason he would go there.
Update: 3 years, $110 million ($55 million guaranteed).
Have to admit, with some of the crazy contracts being thrown around today, that's less than I expected for Darnold. That said, I'm not convinced he isn't a one-year wonder that fell into an ideal situation last year.
Since the NY teams were not an option, the market seems like the Seahawks and Steelers. Not all that robust.
Twitter was down today? Hahahahahahaha
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 01:25:08 PMDarnold is a Seahawk.
Hope he got the bag, because I can't imagine any other reason he would go there.
Update: 3 years, $110 million ($55 million guaranteed).
Have to admit, with some of the crazy contracts being thrown around today, that's less than I expected for Darnold. That said, I'm not convinced he isn't a one-year wonder that fell into an ideal situation last year.
I'm seeing 3 years, $100.5 million in multiple places (NFL.com, Yahoo, ESPN). The ESPN blurb when googling says $110M, but the headline and article say $100.5. https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/44194464/sam-darnold-seahawks-3-year-1005m-deal-sources-say
I'm actually relieved that the contract wasn't worse, because I was reading reports over the weekend of possibly $40M+ per year, with up to $75M guaranteed ... so this was practically a bargain. I'm quite sure the Seahawks would have had to pay Geno more than they'll be paying Darnold.
I still wouldn't be surprised to see the Panthers take a flier on a QB on Day 2 of the draft with one of their extra picks so he could develop while Darnold plays. I've seen Milroe mentioned in The Athletic.
I was among the bazillions critical of Darnold's play at the end of last season - I mean, how could anybody not be? I'm an optimistic kind of guy, but this is a big "we'll see" for me. The Seahawks don't have the best OL in the world, and their WR corps has gone from one of the NFL's best to definitely not that. Darnold ain't gonna be able to just heave it up to JJ anymore.
2/40 with 30 guaranteed for Fields to the Jets
Josh Sweat to the Cardinals, Milton Williams to the Pats.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 09:37:42 AMPanthers making Jaycee Horn the highest-paid CB in the league.
Not bad for a guy who's missed nearly as many games (31) as he's played (37) in his career.
Horn obviously shouldn't be the best-paid CB, but he is a real good player.
More importantly for him, he picked a good season to stay mostly healthy (15 starts) - right as the Panthers had to decide whether to pay him the big bucks or move on from him.
Bears sign Grady Jarrett.
Very good pickup if he has something left in the tank.
Aaron Banks to the Packers per reports
4 years $77M
TJ Slaton to the Bengals, 2 years $15.1M
Going to have to see the guaranteed money for Banks, because that 4/77 is a lot for a decent guard.
Laremy Tunsil being dealt to the Commanders for picks.
Packers sign a nickel CB. Raiders Nate Hobbs 4/$48. I got nothing here - any AFC West people have opinions?
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 10, 2025, 04:03:09 PMPackers sign a nickel CB. Raiders Nate Hobbs 4/$48. I got nothing here - any AFC West people have opinions?
Raiders fan here.
Love, love, love Nate Hobbs. Borderline elite-level slot corner when healthy. Problem is, he plays a style that often gets him hurt, causing him to miss 14 games the past three years and be pretty hobbled for many more.
When he's healthy and on the field, you're going to like him a lot. But a bit of a gamble given his injury history.
Quote from: jesmu84 on March 10, 2025, 01:55:39 PM2/40 with 30 guaranteed for Fields to the Jets
It's good, nay - very good, to be an NFL QB.
Quote from: Pakuni on March 10, 2025, 04:06:21 PMRaiders fan here.
Love, love, love Nate Hobbs. Borderline elite-level slot corner when healthy. Problem is, he plays a style that often gets him hurt, causing him to miss 14 games the past three years and be pretty hobbled for many more.
When he's healthy and on the field, you're going to like him a lot. But a bit of a gamble given his injury history.
Can he and Ja sync their injuries to create one complete corner?
Packers did fine today. Off-season still hinges on finding another edge player
Lions exchange Carlton Davis for DJ Reed at CB1. About even. The market and mark up for edges is nuts.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 10, 2025, 04:42:30 PMPackers did fine today. Off-season still hinges on finding another edge player
This. I hope they go after Chase Young but have a feeling his market is going to go bonkers (like 15M per)
How can the saints keep funding a team with that cap situation
A lot of Bears fans confusing activity as accomplishment today.
The Jeanty at #10 talk is ridiculous. If he's there when they pick, it'll be Tyler Warren.
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 10, 2025, 08:20:27 PMHow can the saints keep funding a team with that cap situation
It's not like they've been successful
Quote from: The Sultan on March 10, 2025, 08:36:28 PMIt's not like they've been successful
Successful in retaining players I'd like to be available :)
Quote from: Dish on March 10, 2025, 08:35:54 PMA lot of Bears fans confusing activity as accomplishment today.
The Jeanty at #10 talk is ridiculous. If he's there when they pick, it'll be Tyler Warren.
You hated all the moves?
Quote from: JWags85 on March 10, 2025, 09:38:37 PMYou hated all the moves?
I think they did alright. Poles will get credit/blame, but make no mistake, these are guys that Ben Johnson wanted.
So now, they can go one of 3 ways at the top of the draft - RB, TE, or Edge. We know Ben likes a good running game, but this is one of the better RB classes in a while so I'll be a bit surprised if he goes for Jeanty in the 1st round.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 10, 2025, 09:38:37 PMYou hated all the moves?
They're marginally better today, but a lot of Bears fans are head over heels with these moves. Applauding Poles for "fixing" previous neglect is silly.
Dalman is fine. People freaking out that the Bears signed "the best center available" is misguided. They're paying him as the second highest paid center in the league. Good for Dalman hitting FA at the right time, but they're paying top dollar for a good run blocker, mediocre pass blocker.
I don't understand giving Jarrett two guaranteed years at that amount for a 32 year old tackle. Analytically, he is as middle of the road as it gets currently, and 2024 was the worst year of his career. Is he going to get revitalized playing most of his games outdoors on grass now?
Odeyingbo is a scratch off lottery ticket. Wait to see.
They still have the worst roster in the division, and lack blue chip talent. I realize there wasn't blue chip level free agents available today, but these moves are...fine.
The Athletic, which graded all the FA deals around the NFL, likes Dalman more than you do, Dish.
C Drew Dalman to sign with Bears
Top 150 ranking: No. 15
Reported deal: Three years, $42 million
Grade: A
The signing of Dalman, formerly of the Falcons, gives the Bears a versatile, well-rounded center capable of fitting into any blocking scheme necessary. Dalman missed eight games with an ankle injury, but in the nine he did play in, he allowed a total of only 10 pressures and no sacks. Chicago has made upgrading Caleb Williams' line a high priority this offseason and Dalman is the latest piece to the puzzle.
The Bear fans are well on their way to winning another off-season Super Bowl. How many consecutive is that now?
Quote from: Dish on March 10, 2025, 11:26:13 PMThey're marginally better today, but a lot of Bears fans are head over heels with these moves. Applauding Poles for "fixing" previous neglect is silly.
Dalman is fine. People freaking out that the Bears signed "the best center available" is misguided. They're paying him as the second highest paid center in the league. Good for Dalman hitting FA at the right time, but they're paying top dollar for a good run blocker, mediocre pass blocker.
I don't understand giving Jarrett two guaranteed years at that amount for a 32 year old tackle. Analytically, he is as middle of the road as it gets currently, and 2024 was the worst year of his career. Is he going to get revitalized playing most of his games outdoors on grass now?
Odeyingbo is a scratch off lottery ticket. Wait to see.
They still have the worst roster in the division, and lack blue chip talent. I realize there wasn't blue chip level free agents available today, but these moves are...fine.
I generally agree with all of this. I think your point about the quality of FAs available is true. I'd say given the potential of being able to improve a team via FA, the Bears did well and didn't lock themselves into long term big dollars. It terms of improving compared to the division or NFL, they did "fine" is accurate.
Hopefully they made a major upgrade at HC and the staff, marginal improvements via FA and trades and can add quality in the draft that adds up to a material improvement on the field.
Quote from: Dish on March 10, 2025, 11:26:13 PMThey're marginally better today, but a lot of Bears fans are head over heels with these moves. Applauding Poles for "fixing" previous neglect is silly.
Dalman is fine. People freaking out that the Bears signed "the best center available" is misguided. They're paying him as the second highest paid center in the league. Good for Dalman hitting FA at the right time, but they're paying top dollar for a good run blocker, mediocre pass blocker.
I don't understand giving Jarrett two guaranteed years at that amount for a 32 year old tackle. Analytically, he is as middle of the road as it gets currently, and 2024 was the worst year of his career. Is he going to get revitalized playing most of his games outdoors on grass now?
Odeyingbo is a scratch off lottery ticket. Wait to see.
They still have the worst roster in the division, and lack blue chip talent. I realize there wasn't blue chip level free agents available today, but these moves are...fine.
I'd argue people are excited because they are doing what they have been supposed to do for a while, but have not.
That combined with new staff means people can be optimistic of the returns even if it is correcting past negligence.
Quote from: MU82 on March 11, 2025, 07:11:17 AMThe Athletic, which graded all the FA deals around the NFL, likes Dalman more than you do, Dish.
C Drew Dalman to sign with Bears
Top 150 ranking: No. 15
Reported deal: Three years, $42 million
Grade: A
The signing of Dalman, formerly of the Falcons, gives the Bears a versatile, well-rounded center capable of fitting into any blocking scheme necessary. Dalman missed eight games with an ankle injury, but in the nine he did play in, he allowed a total of only 10 pressures and no sacks. Chicago has made upgrading Caleb Williams' line a high priority this offseason and Dalman is the latest piece to the puzzle.
The Athletic writer Mike Jones gave out almost all A's and B's, there was zero substance in that article.
All the analytic guys (PFF, Barnwell, Solak, Walder) are almost unanimously questioning why the Bears signed who they signed (or traded for) at the prices that they did (Thuney being the exception).
Quote from: Dish on March 12, 2025, 07:13:20 PMThe Athletic writer Mike Jones gave out almost all A's and B's, there was zero substance in that article.
All the analytic guys (PFF, Barnwell, Solak, Walder) are almost unanimously questioning why the Bears signed who they signed (or traded for) at the prices that they did (Thuney being the exception).
Yeah, I question some of their grades, too.
They rated Darnold the #4 player available and by far the best QB available. Seattle beat several other suitors to sign him to a team-friendly contract ... and The Athletic gave it a C grade.
I mean, I'm not sure this will be good for the Seahawks, but The Athletic might want to pay attention to The Athletic.
Quote from: MU82 on March 13, 2025, 01:16:35 AMYeah, I question some of their grades, too.
They rated Darnold the #4 player available and by far the best QB available. Seattle beat several other suitors to sign him to a team-friendly contract ... and The Athletic gave it a C grade.
I mean, I'm not sure this will be good for the Seahawks, but The Athletic might want to pay attention to The Athletic.
Might be using the Scoop Non-conference grading scale.
Detroit signing Lopez from Ari is a nice DL depth move. Re-signing Onwuzurike at $5 mil for one year is a steal. McNeill's recovery from knee surgery is a wild card. Detroit is basically saying that they believe the defense they started last season with is good enough to win it all. If they can avoid the endless injuries.
Also, I think they believe Mahogany is able to replace Zeitler at guard.
Rolling with continuity and culture is a bold move.
Quote from: tower912 on March 14, 2025, 07:47:44 AMAlso, I think they believe Mahogany is able to replace Zeitler at guard.
You wood.
FWIW ... I liked Detroit's moves, too. They're an excellent team. Running it back (mostly) was the logical course.
Quote from: MU82 on March 14, 2025, 11:36:36 AMYou wood.
FWIW ... I liked Detroit's moves, too. They're an excellent team. Running it back (mostly) was the logical course.
Well played.
This Vikings offseason is niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
Gotta just pray JJ is ready
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 08:21:22 PMThis Vikings offseason is niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
Gotta just pray JJ is ready
You're THAT happy to get rid of Darnold?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 08:21:22 PMThis Vikings offseason is niiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiice
Gotta just pray JJ is ready
LOL, they don't have a quarterback.
Quote from: MU82 on March 15, 2025, 08:28:52 PMYou're THAT happy to get rid of Darnold?
That.
Plus every FA signing and I love the Mason trade too.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 15, 2025, 08:31:56 PMLOL, they don't have a quarterback.
Didn't last year either.
The NFC North is going to be even more of a slog this year
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 15, 2025, 09:53:02 PMThe NFC North is going to be even more of a slog this year
Just to go 0-3 in the Playoffs again.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 09:45:02 PMDidn't last year either.
All they have at the games most important position is a guy who has yet to play in the NFL at one of the hardest positions in sports where just about everyone struggles early on. No one except a Vikings fan would feel good about next year with that situation.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on March 15, 2025, 11:43:15 PMAll they have at the games most important position is a guy who has yet to play in the NFL at one of the hardest positions in sports where just about everyone struggles early on. No one except a Vikings fan would feel good about next year with that situation.
On the other hand, many had the Bears making the playoffs last year, so much so that the odds were -120 in July.
And Williams had an objectively worse roster around him heading into 2024, and far worse coaching staff, than McCarthy has heading into 2025.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 15, 2025, 09:45:02 PMDidn't last year either.
If you mean that, going into last season, it didn't appear that the Vikings had a viable QB, I'm with you.
If you mean that, when the games mattered most, Darnold was a major negative, I'm with you.
But if you're trying to rewrite history and say that, for the vast majority of the season, Darnold wasn't a very good QB, that's just silly.
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2025, 11:08:53 AMIf you mean that, going into last season, it didn't appear that the Vikings had a viable QB, I'm with you.
If you mean that, when the games mattered most, Darnold was a major negative, I'm with you.
But if you're trying to rewrite history and say that, for the vast majority of the season, Darnold wasn't a very good QB, that's just silly.
I think he means the first. But the problem with running a pass-oriented offense with a quarterback like Darnold is that eventually the mistakes will emerge when it matters most. So you just can't throw anyone into that role and hope it works.
JJ could be way better than we think and be a star. Or Aaron Rodgers could agree to cause no ruffles and run the offense they have and it may work. So I'm not saying it's hopeless, but this is a powerful offense that seemingly doesn't have the quarterback to run it.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 16, 2025, 11:21:18 AMI think he means the first. But the problem with running a pass-oriented offense with a quarterback like Darnold is that eventually the mistakes will emerge when it matters most. So you just can't throw anyone into that role and hope it works.
JJ could be way better than we think and be a star. Or Aaron Rodgers could agree to cause no ruffles and run the offense they have and it may work. So I'm not saying it's hopeless, but this is a powerful offense that seemingly doesn't have the quarterback to run it.
The day Rodgers runs an offense in a way be doesn't want to run it will be the first. The closest we've seen is his first MVP season under MLF
Quote from: GB Warrior on March 16, 2025, 01:51:42 PMThe day Rodgers runs an offense in a way be doesn't want to run it will be the first. The closest we've seen is his first MVP season under MLF
I don't disagree.
Quote from: MU82 on March 16, 2025, 11:08:53 AMIf you mean that, going into last season, it didn't appear that the Vikings had a viable QB, I'm with you.
If you mean that, when the games mattered most, Darnold was a major negative, I'm with you.
But if you're trying to rewrite history and say that, for the vast majority of the season, Darnold wasn't a very good QB, that's just silly.
As sultan said it's from an objective standpoint the 1st option.
But it's also a mix of all 3. I'm a firm believer that while KOC had some odd game plan/coaching the final few games. That overall he's an excellent offensive strategist and mostly anyone can work with this unit.
So i feel good about McCarthy.
Also, probably wasn't clear but the main reason I absolutely love the Vikes off-season is everything around the QB. JJ could flop and the season be a disaster. But imo we've added everyone we needed to and got much better. Which is another huge reason I didn't want Darnold back. The cost.
There wasn't a true no brainer QB upgrade out there/possible. So that part I can't judge for FA as is.
Last note, I should say. As sick as it is to type, I'm one of the few Vikes fans that would be very open to giving Rodgers a go.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on March 16, 2025, 03:27:24 PMAs sultan said it's from an objective standpoint the 1st option.
But it's also a mix of all 3. I'm a firm believer that while KOC had some odd game plan/coaching the final few games. That overall he's an excellent offensive strategist and mostly anyone can work with this unit.
So i feel good about McCarthy.
Also, probably wasn't clear but the main reason I absolutely love the Vikes off-season is everything around the QB. JJ could flop and the season be a disaster. But imo we've added everyone we needed to and got much better. Which is another huge reason I didn't want Darnold back. The cost.
There wasn't a true no brainer QB upgrade out there/possible. So that part I can't judge for FA as is.
Last note, I should say. As sick as it is to type, I'm one of the few Vikes fans that would be very open to giving Rodgers a go.
Thanks for the explanation.
https://x.com/Schultz_Report/status/1901466892184740072
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2025, 10:02:03 PMhttps://x.com/Schultz_Report/status/1901466892184740072
Trade me Trey plz
Quote from: Pakuni on March 16, 2025, 10:02:03 PMhttps://x.com/Schultz_Report/status/1901466892184740072
Did Mike Brown secretly die and someone else took over the franchise?
Also, he's good, but doesn't that seem like a pretty big overpay for Higgins?
Quote from: JWags85 on March 17, 2025, 12:04:32 PMDid Mike Brown secretly die and someone else took over the franchise?
Also, he's good, but doesn't that seem like a pretty big overpay for Higgins?
It feels like a lot of money tied up in receivers in general.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 17, 2025, 12:06:41 PMIt feels like a lot of money tied up in receivers in general.
The Bengals really got themselves in a tough spot. Their success is so dependent on their QB and receivers, and at this point, you're not finding defensive difference makers on the market if you were to forego paying Higgins.
Their best bet is basically striking gold drafting defense.
What I really don't get is all the money for Gesicki. He was fine, I guess. But $12M this year for a middle of the road receiving TE seems like a want when there are glaring needs all over that roster.
The Lions clearly believe their defense last season was good enough to win it all, as they keep re-signing players from last season.
Quote from: tower912 on March 18, 2025, 04:58:58 PMThe Lions clearly believe their defense last season was good enough to win it all, as they keep re-signing players from last season.
For how many starts they lost to injury at the end of the year, I wouldn't bet against them. Nominally better health and progression from their young secondary...it's a dangerous team
It is. As Holmes.said in his end of the year presser, nobody game plans for their 8th string defensive end. I think they need some depth at safety.
Packers signing Mecole Hardman
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Appears the Vikings are not pursuing Aaron Rodgers. Sad!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 19, 2025, 08:22:36 AMAppears the Vikings are not pursuing Aaron Rodgers. Sad!
Loser franchises keep making loser decisions.
Quote from: JWags85 on March 17, 2025, 12:04:32 PMDid Mike Brown secretly die and someone else took over the franchise?
Also, he's good, but doesn't that seem like a pretty big overpay for Higgins?
That Higgins deal is awful for Cincinnati.
Quote from: The Sultan on March 19, 2025, 08:23:55 AMLoser franchises keep making loser decisions.
I think the loser decision would have been to sign Rodgers.
From The Athletic:
Three years of Brock Purdy cost the 49ers less ($2.6 million) than Deshaun Watson costs the Browns per game spent on the bench ($2.7 million).
Quote from: MU82 on March 19, 2025, 12:08:32 PMFrom The Athletic:
Three years of Brock Purdy cost the 49ers less ($2.6 million) than Deshaun Watson costs the Browns per game spent on the bench ($2.7 million).
Browns being Browns.
With the Lions signing Rock Ya-Sin and re-signing Khalil Dorsey, I think it is safe to assume that they will not be drafting a corner early. Safety depth, edge rusher, big wide receiver.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 19, 2025, 01:34:14 PMBrowns being Browns.
Obviously the Browns went above and beyond on the Watson contract to the point where Haslam pissed off the other owners, so that was dumb. But a lot of this is also just the economics of rookie vs second contracts for QBs + injury. You could probably say a similar thing about Dak's extension rn. IMHO Purdy is also the most overrated QB in football, so a bit of a personal axe to grind there too.
The Bears' off-season championship has resulted in ESPN moving the Bears power ranking from 22 all the way to ........... 22.
Probably correct. I have a hard time seeing them move out of the NFC North cellar.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 25, 2025, 11:00:55 AMThe Bears' off-season championship has resulted in ESPN moving the Bears power ranking from 22 all the way to ........... 22.
Probably correct. I have a hard time seeing them move out of the NFC North cellar.
Honestly, even if you love the moves, I'd rather this than grand expectations and exclamations of a complete turnaround. Underpromise, overdeliver
Quote from: WhiteTrash on March 25, 2025, 11:00:55 AMThe Bears' off-season championship has resulted in ESPN moving the Bears power ranking from 22 all the way to ........... 22.
Probably correct. I have a hard time seeing them move out of the NFC North cellar.
Take heart, last season's ESPN preseason rankings included:
20. LA Chargers
21. Tampa Bay
23. Minnesota
28. Washington
31. Denver
Quote from: Pakuni on March 25, 2025, 11:30:32 AMTake heart, last season's ESPN preseason rankings included:
20. LA Chargers
21. Tampa Bay
23. Minnesota
28. Washington
31. Denver
Thanks for the perspective. And I think we can all agree, sports power rankings are the very definition of 'click bait'.
Russell Wilson to the Giants.
Russell, Jameis and Tommy.
Amazing
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 06:21:30 PMRussell Wilson to the Giants.
Russell, Jameis and Tommy.
Amazing
Per NYC sports radio reports, Giants aren't thrilled with Cam Ward or Shedore Sanders. Would probably choose Ward if available but sounds like Tennessee is definitely picking him.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 25, 2025, 06:29:34 PMPer NYC sports radio reports, Giants aren't thrilled with Cam Ward or Shedore Sanders. Would probably choose Ward if available but sounds like Tennessee is definitely picking him.
Shedeur's landing spots dwindling.
Maybe Jets at 7 or Saints at 9. After that, he could easily slide into the 20s.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on March 25, 2025, 06:29:34 PMPer NYC sports radio reports, Giants aren't thrilled with Cam Ward or Shedore Sanders. Would probably choose Ward if available but sounds like Tennessee is definitely picking him.
I get it, but, woof city
Quote from: Uncle Rico on March 25, 2025, 07:14:29 PMI get it, but, woof city
Totally. As dumb as that QB room is though (and it is extremely dumb), its still better than picking Shedeur and then canning Schoen and Daboll after this season and beginning the hellcycle of alternating through QBs and leadership.
Quote from: MUBurrow on March 26, 2025, 08:49:26 AMTotally. As dumb as that QB room is though (and it is extremely dumb), its still better than picking Shedeur and then canning Schoen and Daboll after this season and beginning the hellcycle of alternating through QBs and leadership.
Giants are all in for Manning next year?
NFL rules:
1. Tush push stays (for now)
2. Both teams to get the ball in OT
3. Touchbacks moved to the 35-yard line
4. Replay officials can now overturn horse collar, hit on defenseless player, facemask, running into/roughing the kicker and tripping penalties, but can't call them if no flag was thrown.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 11:50:57 AMNFL rules:
1. Tush push stays (for now)
2. Both teams to get the ball in OT
3. Touchbacks moved to the 35-yard line
4. Replay officials can now overturn horse collar, hit on defenseless player, facemask, running into/roughing the kicker and tripping penalties, but can't call them if no flag was thrown.
Given that there were several facemask penalties that were missed in some big games last season, the last one seems to fall a bit short. There's really no reason I can think of that a blatantly missed facemask or horse collar shouldn't be able to be called by a quick-review process.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 01, 2025, 11:50:57 AMNFL rules:
1. Tush push stays (for now)
2. Both teams to get the ball in OT
3. Touchbacks moved to the 35-yard line
4. Replay officials can now overturn horse collar, hit on defenseless player, facemask, running into/roughing the kicker and tripping penalties, but can't call them if no flag was thrown.
Will be interested if the OT rule result in more ties. 10 minutes is not a lot for more than 2 drives if both end in TDs
I'm generally in favor of all those rulings.
Quote from: GB Warrior on April 01, 2025, 12:31:01 PMWill be interested if the OT rule result in more ties. 10 minutes is not a lot for more than 2 drives if both end in TDs
I think NFL ties are fine actually?
Curious wby they would move touchbacks to the 35. Wouldn't that encourage teams to kick short and have more returns, thus more injuries?
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 03, 2025, 11:04:14 AMCurious wby they would move touchbacks to the 35. Wouldn't that encourage teams to kick short and have more returns, thus more injuries?
I think they believe that with the new setup, kickoff returns will result in fewer injuries. The days of players sprinting downfield 40 yards and colliding are over.
And they're tired of kickers blasting it through the end zone (64% of kickoffs resulted in touchbacks last year), depriving games of the potential for exciting plays.
Quote from: cheebs09 on April 03, 2025, 11:04:14 AMCurious wby they would move touchbacks to the 35. Wouldn't that encourage teams to kick short and have more returns, thus more injuries?
They want more returns. That was the point of changing the kick off to begin with. Theoretically there are less full speed hits between the tacklers and blockers, which is where most of the injuries occurred.
St. Louis Bengals?
Quote from: Dish on April 03, 2025, 11:46:00 AMSt. Louis Bengals?
Now that (stuff) would be funny.
Quote from: The Sultan on April 03, 2025, 11:01:28 AMI think NFL ties are fine actually?
I don't know I have a problem with them. My thoughts might change if you have a team with 2 or 3 in a year (I still think it's exceedingly unlikely). The strategy around who receives the kickoff will be interesting because of that time constraint
Quote from: Dish on April 03, 2025, 11:46:00 AMSt. Louis Bengals?
I could be wrong, but I have my doubts Hamilton County will hold the bag again like they did last time
Quote from: Dish on April 03, 2025, 11:46:00 AMSt. Louis Bengals?
This will really test the limits of how much leverage an NFL team can have over a city. Because if a sad-sack franchise like the Bengals can pull it off...
Quote from: The Sultan on April 03, 2025, 07:09:18 PMThis will really test the limits of how much leverage an NFL team can have over a city. Because if a sad-sack franchise like the Bengals can pull it off...
The county paid for basically all of it in the late 90's.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-stupid-sports-stadium-clause-thats-screwing-you-over/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 03, 2025, 07:20:27 PMThe county paid for basically all of it in the late 90's.
https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-stupid-sports-stadium-clause-thats-screwing-you-over/
Right. I just get the impression that things may have changed in the meantime...perhaps not.
All things considered the Bengals might be the saddest franchise in the NFL
The Athletic's Dianna Russini thinks the NFL will ban the tush push.
Roger Goodell does not like the play. He thinks it's ugly. He doesn't think it's a football play. ... The fact that this was tabled (at the league meeting) tells me that they're going to ban the tush push. ... They're gonna find a way to get it out of football. ... Some (owners) want to be in line with Roger Goodell. I think some believe it's an ugly play. And I think, whether or not they'll admit it, if you can't beat it, ban it.
Quote from: MU82 on April 04, 2025, 11:57:02 AMThe Athletic's Dianna Russini thinks the NFL will ban the tush push.
Roger Goodell does not like the play. He thinks it's ugly. He doesn't think it's a football play. ... The fact that this was tabled (at the league meeting) tells me that they're going to ban the tush push. ... They're gonna find a way to get it out of football. ... Some (owners) want to be in line with Roger Goodell. I think some believe it's an ugly play. And I think, whether or not they'll admit it, if you can't beat it, ban it.
I don't think she's a very good reporter
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 04, 2025, 12:00:42 PMI don't think she's a very good reporter
Chicks shouldn't be reporting on football anyhow.
Quote from: Pakuni on April 04, 2025, 12:43:58 PMChicks shouldn't be reporting on football anyhow.
Hallelujah, brother
Quote from: MU82 on April 04, 2025, 11:57:02 AMThe Athletic's Dianna Russini thinks the NFL will ban the tush push.
Roger Goodell does not like the play. He thinks it's ugly. He doesn't think it's a football play. ... The fact that this was tabled (at the league meeting) tells me that they're going to ban the tush push. ... They're gonna find a way to get it out of football. ... Some (owners) want to be in line with Roger Goodell. I think some believe it's an ugly play. And I think, whether or not they'll admit it, if you can't beat it, ban it.
The number of times he had to watch his Jets QB run into the ass of his lineman would make me want to ban the play too
George McCaskey is the home plate umpire for my son's freshman baseball game this morning.
Quote from: Dish on April 19, 2025, 11:58:58 AMGeorge McCaskey is the home plate umpire for my son's freshman baseball game this my.
Rally the troops for a "Sell The Team!" chant.
Quote from: Dish on April 19, 2025, 11:58:58 AMGeorge McCaskey is the home plate umpire for my son's freshman baseball game this my.
Scouting for a QB?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 04, 2025, 12:51:40 PMHallelujah, brother
Absolutely. They should be rooting on their men. Short skirts - lotsa cartwheels.