There are games left to be played before Saturday's Top-16 reveal, but there's also an entire night of results in the books that we didn't factor into this bracket. Why? Because that's how the Selection Committee, who began meeting yesterday, has handled it in the past. Today we break down all of the teams we expect to see in the Top-16 on Saturday, and what teams might crash that dance.
Cracketology: Predicting the Top-16 Reveal (https://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2025/02/cracketology-predicting-top-16-reveal.html)
Any projections/numbers on how close the Big East is to potentially getting 5 bids?
I don't know their WAB scores currently but I imagine Villanova and Xavier will be right on the bubble, with my gut telling me Nova is closer than X to getting in. Though that's probably contingent on no more bad losses, beating us, and getting at least one good win in the BE tournament.
By one good win in Big East tournament, I agree if you mean a second round win.
Winning in the first round will not hurt, but it will not help.
So MU has 3 Q2 losses? I don't doubt it but not sure who they be. I don't follow the team sheets but someone could clue me in?
I figure Dayton away and X at home for sure. Would UC at home be the other?
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 14, 2025, 04:08:22 PMSo MU has 3 Q2 losses? I don't doubt it but not sure who they be. I don't follow the team sheets but someone could clue me in?
I figure Dayton away and X at home for sure. Would UC at home be the other?
We should only be at two Q2 losses, at least according to this (https://bballnet.com/teams/marquette) site. Could even become less than that though since UConn is close to getting their NET ranking inside the top 30.
Xavier will likely stay a Q2 loss until Selection Sunday. Our games so far against UConn and Dayton are both on the border of Q1/Q2 so both could potentially end up being in either quadrant. I think we can pretty much count on everything else staying the same, unless Georgia collapses and drops 17 spots to become a Q2 win.
Maybe MU should become a Q3 loss so they're not a target and or motivation by other teams to win.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 14, 2025, 04:08:22 PMSo MU has 3 Q2 losses? I don't doubt it but not sure who they be. I don't follow the team sheets but someone could clue me in?
I figure Dayton away and X at home for sure. Would UC at home be the other?
At the time of the writing, Dayton, Xavier, and UConn were all Q2. UConn has been on the cusp of the Q1/2 cutoff (30/31 NET).
Quote from: K1 Lover on February 14, 2025, 01:51:36 PMAny projections/numbers on how close the Big East is to potentially getting 5 bids?
I think it's unlikely at this point. This is almost certainly a 4-bid league, barring a bid thief at MSG. Here are the cases and issues:
VillanovaResume Average is 73.0, typically teams need to be no lower than 52.5 average. Just 1-5 in Q1 and 9-9 in Q1-3. Typically need to be over 0.350 WP in Q1 and have a winning record in the first three quadrants. Three bad losses with just the one Q1 win (SJU) is hard. If they go 5-1 or 6-0 the rest of the way, they'll get a look. They really need to get the wins at UConn and over Marquette to add some beef to the top of their resume.
XavierResume average of 57.7 is okay. If you asked me after they beat UConn, I thought they would get in. However, they really needed another Q1 win or two to truly feel safe. The problem was their only two opportunities after UConn was at Creighton (Loss) and at Villanova (Loss). They have an easy finish, but that means no more chances for good wins. If they win out, are the wins over Marquette, UConn, and Creighton (March 1) enough? If only one is in Q1, I doubt it. They need to win out and in the process the best case would be for UConn and Creighton to get into the top-30 NET while Marquette falls to the 31-40 range. That would give them a more acceptable 3-7 Q1 record and 14-11 in the Q1-3. But they have no margin for error and need help.
Parrish has us in at #16. He seems to be the one that's most high on MU.
Scoopers need to attack Parrish. Unacceptable display of respect.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 15, 2025, 10:44:26 AMParrish has us in at #16. He seems to be the one that's most high on MU.
Generally I've seen us between 16-18 pretty consistently. If we are in at 16, it shows a lot of value for what we did in November/December. Probably indicate they are heavily weighting the resume metrics, specifically the newly introduced Wins Above Bubble, where we rank 14.
MU not in top 16......we were mentioned along with MSU as being "right there".
Quote from: MuMark on February 15, 2025, 11:54:17 AMMU not in top 16......we were mentioned along with MSU as being "right there".
Close only matters in horse grenades
So, figure MU is #18 on the seed list as of today.
Quote from: MuMark on February 15, 2025, 11:54:17 AMMU not in top 16......we were mentioned along with MSU as being "right there".
St. John's is #16 and we trail them by 2 full games in conference. We're not as close as some would like to believe
Quote from: JakeBarnes on February 15, 2025, 11:54:45 AMClose only matters in horse grenades
Or in NCAA bracket placement where the difference between #16 and #18 is imperceptible.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 15, 2025, 11:57:01 AMSt. John's is #16 and we trail them by 2 full games in conference. We're not as close as some would like to believe
Another example of overvaluing conference standings.
Michigan is 2 games ahead of Wisconsin in the B18 standings and has a head to head road win over the Badgers. Yet they are lower on the NCAA seed list today.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 15, 2025, 11:57:01 AMSt. John's is #16 and we trail them by 2 full games in conference. We're not as close as some would like to believe
Not remotely true.
MU has played a tougher schedule, has better quality wins, and the metrics gap isn't that large thanks to SJU's offense.
Conference standings are irrelevant.
What an absolute joke that Whisky is #11. I hope Purdue pummels them today.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 15, 2025, 11:59:35 AMNot remotely true.
MU has played a tougher schedule, has better quality wins, and the metrics gap isn't that large thanks to SJU's offense.
Conference standings are irrelevant.
We have one good win in over two months. We haven't beat anyone good outside Fiserv since November. We're tending downwards
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on February 14, 2025, 04:08:22 PMSo MU has 3 Q2 losses? I don't doubt it but not sure who they be. I don't follow the team sheets but someone could clue me in?
I figure Dayton away and X at home for sure. Would UC at home be the other?
My good friend Warren provides a one stop team sheet that he updates in real time. Here you go!
https://www.warrennolan.com/basketball/2025/schedule/Marquette#google_vignette
Quick takeaways:
- Big wins matter more than metrics. Florida on the 1-line, Houston at #8 overall, Kentucky as a 3, those all preference results.
- Marquette was #17 overall, clear from Cunningham's comments. Keep winning and we will be back in there on Selection Sunday. I think a 3-seed is our ceiling.
- They used data from Tuesday and Wednesday, which in the past they have not done. But Florida as a 1, Kentucky as a 3, Michigan as a 4, and St. John's at #16 overall, that was because of Tuesday/Wednesday results.
- I had 15/16 teams correct and 11/16 on the correct line. That's pretty bad, IMO. As I built the bracket on Wednesday using Tuesday's data thinking "this would be very different if I used last night's results." Had I waited until the next morning I would've been at 16/16 on the correct line. Might indicate that results the week of Selection Sunday will matter more.
Quote from: brewcity77 on February 15, 2025, 12:11:59 PMQuick takeaways:
- Big wins matter more than metrics. Florida on the 1-line, Houston at #8 overall, Kentucky as a 3, those all preference results.
- Marquette was #17 overall, clear from Cunningham's comments. Keep winning and we will be back in there on Selection Sunday. I think a 3-seed is our ceiling.
- They used data from Tuesday and Wednesday, which in the past they have not done. But Florida as a 1, Kentucky as a 3, Michigan as a 4, and St. John's at #16 overall, that was because of Tuesday/Wednesday results.
- I had 15/16 teams correct and 11/16 on the correct line. That's pretty bad, IMO. As I built the bracket on Wednesday using Tuesday's data thinking "this would be very different if I used last night's results." Had I waited until the next morning I would've been at 16/16 on the correct line. Might indicate that results the week of Selection Sunday will matter more.
If big wins matter that much, then how the hell is St. John's in and MU not? Same with UW being a 3?
Love that they seeded Kansas a 4 and left MSU out, but St. John's best win is at home vs. NET 23 MU. UW has 1 good win against AZ and a bunch of schitty Q1s against non tournament teams. Makes no sense to me.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 12:00:07 PMWhat an absolute joke that Whisky is #11. I hope Purdue pummels them today.
Watching this game. Can't believe we beat either of these teams. They would crush us if we played now.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2025, 12:18:50 PMIf big wins matter that much, then how the hell is St. John's in and MU not? Same with UW being a 3?
Love that they seeded Kansas a 4 and left MSU out, but St. John's best win is at home vs. NET 23 MU. UW has 1 good win against AZ and a bunch of schitty Q1s against non tournament teams. Makes no sense to me.
Have you considered that Gard just gets it done?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2025, 12:21:20 PMWatching this game. Can't believe we beat either of these teams. They would crush us if we played now.
No they wouldn't. Stop being so defeatist.
We just had leads late at SJU and Creighton. We're fine.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2025, 12:21:20 PMWatching this game. Can't believe we beat either of these teams. They would crush us if we played now.
I agree with you, both teams have gotten better, but Wisconsin hasn't really beaten anyone. If they win today? I get it, but the fact is they do not have a single win over the best teams in the B18.
We'd be higher if Cam was playing better and Parnham was banging down low
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2025, 12:23:03 PMNo they wouldn't. Stop being so defeatist.
We just had leads late at SJU and Creighton. We're fine.
We've played like butt for two months. These teams are peaking at the right time, with great ball movement and shooters all over the floor.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2025, 12:32:17 PMWe'd be higher if Cam was playing better and Parnham was banging down low
Cam hasn't missed a single shot all season. How can you possibly play better than that?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2025, 12:32:32 PMWe've played like butt for two months. These teams are peaking at the right time, with great ball movement and shooters all over the floor.
We've played below our standards and still lead late on the road against very good teams. And no, mid-February isn't the right time to peak.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2025, 12:18:50 PMIf big wins matter that much, then how the hell is St. John's in and MU not? Same with UW being a 3?
Love that they seeded Kansas a 4 and left MSU out, but St. John's best win is at home vs. NET 23 MU. UW has 1 good win against AZ and a bunch of schitty Q1s against non tournament teams. Makes no sense to me.
The committee hates Marquette. They're still not over Al heading to the NIT.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2025, 12:32:32 PMWe've played like butt for two months. These teams are peaking at the right time, with great ball movement and shooters all over the floor.
I don't disagree that we haven't played well for some time.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2025, 12:21:20 PMWatching this game. Can't believe we beat either of these teams. They would crush us if we played now.
I don't think they would crush us, but teams that can bomb away like these two are trouble unless MU fixes their shooting.
Wow. Shocked with an F2 there on McGee.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 12:43:32 PMWow. Shocked with an F2 there on McGee.
Terrible call and ejection. Overreaction. It should have been a double foul. Purdue guy swiveled his hips and was moving setting that screen
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 12:00:07 PMWhat an absolute joke that Whisky is #11. I hope Purdue pummels them today.
Other than the fact that you (and I) can't stand them I'm not sure why you think it's an absolute joke.
Their metrics and resume are consistent with that placement.
Quote from: wisblue on February 15, 2025, 12:55:39 PMOther than the fact that you (and I) can't stand them I'm not sure why you think it's an absolute joke.
Their metrics and resume are consistent with that placement.
Who have they beaten? And remember they essentially played NW and Rutgers on the road with those teams missing their best player. They beat Zona at home taking 100 FT's. Other than that, they really haven't beaten a lock NCAA tournament team.
Arizona and Kansas both have 7 losses and have at least 6 Quad 1 losses. Kansas also only had five Q1 wins too.
Michigan and Arizona are biggest question marks to me.
This doesn't bode well for the BE either. Our #1 is only a 4-seed, despite them being ranked in top-10 this week.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on February 15, 2025, 01:14:24 PMArizona and Kansas both have 7 losses and have at least 6 Quad 1 losses. Kansas also only had five Q1 wins too.
Michigan and Arizona are biggest question marks to me.
This doesn't bode well for the BE either. Our #1 is only a 4-seed, despite them being ranked in top-10 this week.
For MU and Big East, the biggest takeaway of bracket reveal. Committee is not impressed with the conference
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 15, 2025, 01:16:32 PMFor MU and Big East, the biggest takeaway of bracket reveal. Committee is not impressed with the conference
True. MU needs to punch back Hutch. And we can. It's time to get back to erasing players defensively and converting wide open shots. Especially converting in the paint.
I don't quite see how it's possible for the committee to remain unbiased (ie the chairman being the AD of bubble team UNC). The chair even tried to make a joke where he couldn't even say Duke's name. I think that was supposed to be funny, but it completely missed the mark with me and reminded me of how much politics are involved in the selection process.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 12:59:21 PMWho have they beaten? And remember they essentially played NW and Rutgers on the road with those teams missing their best player. They beat Zona at home taking 100 FT's. Other than that, they really haven't beaten a lock NCAA tournament team.
Who do you think should be ranked ahead of them?
They appear to be on their way to adding to their resume.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 15, 2025, 11:57:01 AMSt. John's is #16 and we trail them by 2 full games in conference. We're not as close as some would like to believe
This statement is incorrect. The chairman of the committee confirmed MU is knocking on the door of the top 16. Marquette is 16 or 17 and has a rematch with St John's. MU also has a better non conference resume.
Quote from: wisblue on February 15, 2025, 01:24:35 PMWho do you think should be ranked ahead of them?
You didn't answer my question. Now if they win today it's a moot point but there are a number of teams with better resumes. Including Marquette.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 12:59:21 PMWho have they beaten? And remember they essentially played NW and Rutgers on the road with those teams missing their best player. They beat Zona at home taking 100 FT's. Other than that, they really haven't beaten a lock NCAA tournament team.
Ohio State and Nebraska are easily in right now.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 15, 2025, 01:29:26 PMOhio State and Nebraska are easily in right now.
9-11 projected seeds are not locks right now.
This Purdue-Wisconsin game looks nothing like the BE wrestling matches Marquette has been playing lately.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 01:36:43 PM9-11 projected seeds are not locks right now.
It's doesn't matter if they're locks. It matters what their metrics say.
Basically everyone agrees they're a 3 seed...except you. You should probably reflect on that.
The Badgers seem to be able to drag any scrub off the bench and he'll come in draining threes.
Have you ever heard of Jack Janicki before today?
They're playing about as well as you can play in the 2H. And Loyer has been an unmitigated disaster.
Yeah, he came in and was completely overwhelmed in the game against MU.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 01:27:48 PMYou didn't answer my question. Now if they win today it's a moot point but there are a number of teams with better resumes. Including Marquette.
Your bias is really showing if you think MU has a better resume.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 15, 2025, 01:44:24 PMYeah, he came in and was completely overwhelmed in the game against MU.
Shhhh...
Don't interrupt the narrative.
Quote from: bradforster on February 15, 2025, 01:26:52 PMThis statement is incorrect. The chairman of the committee confirmed MU is knocking on the door of the top 16. Marquette is 16 or 17 and has a rematch with St John's. MU also has a better non conference resume.
Well that's so reassuring. Because we're trending badly and the committee does not think highly of the BE. They've put themselves in a precarious position.
And they aren't "16 or 17". STJ is 16.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 15, 2025, 01:23:34 PMI don't quite see how it's possible for the committee to remain unbiased (ie the chairman being the AD of bubble team UNC). The chair even tried to make a joke where he couldn't even say Duke's name. I think that was supposed to be funny, but it completely missed the mark with me and reminded me of how much politics are involved in the selection process.
I'm glad I'm not the only person who thought the Duke-UNC thing was awkward and inappropriate.
Even though committee members essentially recuse themselves from discussions involving their teams and conferences, I have trouble believing that the members don't give some deference on a close call to the teams of the other members
Quote from: The Sultan on February 15, 2025, 01:47:36 PMShhhh...
Don't interrupt the narrative.
Maybe that's a freshman who has gotten more comfortable since early December.
They lost one of their best shooters to a questionable flagrant 2 call and this back end of the bench player steps right in.
Maybe Wojo wasn't a better coach than Gard.
Quote from: wisblue on February 15, 2025, 02:09:24 PMMaybe that's a freshman who has gotten more comfortable since early December.
They lost one of their best shooters to a questionable flagrant 2 call and this back end of the bench player steps right in.
No, he sucks
Are the people who are freaking out that Wisconsin just beat a team Marquette beat and might get to play in Milwaukee the same people who were freaking out at the possibility of Gard getting canned because Shaka might want to head home?
Quote from: wadesworld on February 15, 2025, 02:15:41 PMAre the people who are freaking out that Wisconsin just beat a team Marquette beat and might get to play in Milwaukee the same people who were freaking out at the possibility of Gard getting canned because Shaka might want to head home?
The same people that freak out when Marquette is losing 2-0 in a game
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on February 15, 2025, 12:18:50 PMIf big wins matter that much, then how the hell is St. John's in and MU not? Same with UW being a 3?
Love that they seeded Kansas a 4 and left MSU out, but St. John's best win is at home vs. NET 23 MU. UW has 1 good win against AZ and a bunch of schitty Q1s against non tournament teams. Makes no sense to me.
Head to head win over Marquette, presumed Big East champion, ranked ahead of Marquette in 5/7 metrics. St. John's also has no losses outside Q1 while we have two. Big wins matter, but they aren't the only thing that matters.
Quote from: wisblue on February 15, 2025, 02:09:24 PMMaybe that's a freshman who has gotten more comfortable since early December.
They lost one of their best shooters to a questionable flagrant 2 call and this back end of the bench player steps right in.
Or maybe he just got hot for a game. He hadn't scored in three of his previous four games.
Or maybe Marquette's a better defensive team than Purdue.
And this is about a guy who you implied you never heard of until today. And now you're some kind of expert.
But I guess our resident Eeyore's gotta Eeyore.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 15, 2025, 02:18:45 PMOr maybe he just got hot for a game. He hadn't scored in three of his previous four games.
Or maybe Marquette's a better defensive team than Purdue.
And this is about a guy who you implied you never heard of until today. And now you're some kind of expert.
But I guess our resident Eeyore's gotta Eeyore.
He's playing better than Cam
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2025, 02:21:56 PMHe's playing better than Cam
Well Gard's simply a better coach than Shaka. He just gets it done.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 15, 2025, 12:32:17 PMWe'd be higher if Cam was playing better and Parnham was banging down low
And Ramsey didn't transfer.
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 15, 2025, 02:35:05 PMAnd Ramsey didn't transfer.
I'd rather have Janicki than Parnham
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 15, 2025, 12:39:20 PMI don't disagree that we haven't played well for some time.
We?
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on February 15, 2025, 12:21:20 PMWatching this game. Can't believe we beat either of these teams. They would crush us if we played now.
Was tempted to post the same, almost verbatim, but was too lazy.
The motion, screens, and ball movement were impressive and these are things we just don't seem to be able to do.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 15, 2025, 02:41:56 PMWas tempted to post the same, almost verbatim, but was too lazy.
The motion, screens, and ball movement were impressive and these are things we just don't seem to be able to do.
MU suxs
Watching Providence-Villanova. Can't believe we dominated either of these teams. They would crush us if we played now.
Watching Seton Hall-UConn. Can't believe we easy won at Seton Hall. They would crush us if we played now.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 15, 2025, 02:18:45 PMOr maybe he just got hot for a game. He hadn't scored in three of his previous four games.
Or maybe Marquette's a better defensive team than Purdue.
And this is about a guy who you implied you never heard of until today. And now you're some kind of expert.
But I guess our resident Eeyore's gotta Eeyore.
I didn't claim to be an expert on this guy, which is why I used the word "maybe". I had never heard of him before but I was able to look up his game by game record.
Maybe he was just lucky to get hot for one game, or maybe he has gotten more comfortable in 10 weeks than he was in early December and was able to take minutes that McGee would have filled and make a positive contribution.
Either way, only a Magoo would deny that the Badgers are a dramatically better 3 point shooting team than Marquette is, and that in this era of college basketball that is a huge asset that can erase other deficiencies.
Nobody in their right mind would have said last February that Wisconsin was a better team than Marquette, even though the Badgers won the head to head game decisively much earlier in the season.
Only a Magoo would use only the early season head to head game this year to decide which is the better team right now.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 15, 2025, 10:44:26 AMParrish has us in at #16. He seems to be the one that's most high on MU.
MU does not deserve that ranking, especially over last 4 weeks. Clearly, Shaka has to do some heavy lifting, none of which has happened recently. Wrong time of year to be playing poorly.
The problem is that none of the next 4 games on maquettes schedule will help there resume. Hell, I'm not sure winning at Uconn will help the resume all that much anymore outside of having one less loss. At this point I think the ceiling for this team is a 4 seed but most likely a 5. I think a 3 would require winning out and winning the BET along with help from teams ahead.
Marquette hasn't played a good game since @Providence last month. Even the win against Depaul was pretty bad. We might need to just accept that they were probably overrated much of the non conference.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 16, 2025, 06:46:46 AMThe problem is that none of the next 4 games on maquettes schedule will help there resume. Hell, I'm not sure winning at Uconn will help the resume all that much anymore outside of having one less loss. At this point I think the ceiling for this team is a 4 seed but most likely a 5. I think a 3 would require winning out and winning the BET along with help from teams ahead.
I address this in the article I just posted (https://www.crackedsidewalks.com/2025/02/cracketology-reveal-reset.html). I think a 4 is pretty realistic (we're one spot outside of that now) but getting a 3 likely means our Q1 record getting a few games above .500 (5-4 right now, 3 opportunities left) and improving our metrics inside the top-20 (20.7 average currently).
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 16, 2025, 06:46:46 AMMarquette hasn't played a good game since @Providence last month. Even the win against Depaul was pretty bad. We might need to just accept that they were probably overrated much of the non conference.
This I feel is the bigger problem. I don't think we were overrated, but Kam was playing at a much higher level. Further, the shooting that tends to come around in mid-January never came around so our offense never hit that next gear. I don't know if we will get back to the level of play we had the first six weeks of the season. If we do, we can absolutely climb back up the S-Curve, but if not, we'll all be hoping they maybe catch fire once they get to the tournament. I can't argue with anyone that feels a bit bleak at the moment.
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2025, 05:48:40 AMI didn't claim to be an expert on this guy, which is why I used the word "maybe". I had never heard of him before but I was able to look up his game by game record.
Maybe he was just lucky to get hot for one game, or maybe he has gotten more comfortable in 10 weeks than he was in early December and was able to take minutes that McGee would have filled and make a positive contribution.
Either way, only a Magoo would deny that the Badgers are a dramatically better 3 point shooting team than Marquette is, and that in this era of college basketball that is a huge asset that can erase other deficiencies.
Nobody in their right mind would have said last February that Wisconsin was a better team than Marquette, even though the Badgers won the head to head game decisively much earlier in the season.
Only a Magoo would use only the early season head to head game this year to decide which is the better team right now.
Good thing I never claimed anything about what team was better right now.
Perhaps actually reading would help?
Quote from: The Sultan on February 16, 2025, 07:11:42 AMGood thing I never claimed anything about what team was better right now.
Perhaps actually reading would help?
Please point out where I said that YOU said anything about which team was better right now.
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2025, 07:58:45 AMPlease point out where I said that YOU said anything about which team was better right now.
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL... Then why did you reply to me?
You're too busy being impressed with your own posts to understand what anyone is saying. That's on you.
Quote from: HowardsWorld on February 16, 2025, 06:46:46 AMThe problem is that none of the next 4 games on maquettes schedule will help there resume. Hell, I'm not sure winning at Uconn will help the resume all that much anymore outside of having one less loss. At this point I think the ceiling for this team is a 4 seed but most likely a 5. I think a 3 would require winning out and winning the BET along with help from teams ahead.
Marquette hasn't played a good game since @Providence last month. Even the win against Depaul was pretty bad. We might need to just accept that they were probably overrated much of the non conference.
We should also accept that besides being overrated, we do not have the horses. No consistent 3 point game and no down low bangers. Maybe Stevie can fill those roles. Only way we can show any real potential is to run the BEast tourney. A really tall task on the Johnnies home floor.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 16, 2025, 08:31:39 AMWe should also accept that besides being overrated, we do not have the horses. No consistent 3 point game and no down low bangers. Maybe Stevie can fill those roles. Only way we can show any real potential is to run the BEast tourney. A really tall task on the Johnnies home floor.
Thanks, Wingdings
Quote from: The Sultan on February 16, 2025, 08:07:04 AMLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL... Then why did you reply to me?
You're too busy being impressed with your own posts to understand what anyone is saying. That's on you.
Ouch.
It really hurts being criticized by someone who clogs up the board with repeated sarcastic posts and personal attacks.
If you want to assume that my comments on something that has been a subject of general discussion apply only to you just because they were in a reply to you, that's on you.
There were several other posters yesterday who were questioning whether the Badgers were deserving of their spot in the early reveal.
But, to be clear, are you now saying that you think Wisconsin is a better team at this time than Marquette is and that they deserve their current seeding?
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2025, 08:38:36 AMOuch.
It really hurts being criticized by someone who clogs up the board with repeated sarcastic posts and personal attacks.
If you want to assume that my comments on something that has been a subject of general discussion apply only to you just because they were in a reply to you, that's on you.
There were several other posters yesterday who were questioning whether the Badgers were deserving of their spot in the early reveal.
But, to be clear, are you now saying that you think Wisconsin is a better team at this time than Marquette is and that they deserve their current seeding?
I literally responded to Muggsy that Wisconsin is deserving of their current seeding. The implication is that they have a better resume than Marquette. I have never disputed ANY of those things. But why would you take the joy away from what was a fun rivalry game in December to lament about where they are now? I mean last year, even though we were clearly a better program, we had people lamenting that we lost to UW. JFC, can't people just enjoy themselves?
My entire issue with Scoop the last couple of weeks is that people act like the season is over, that Marquette is overrated, and...and this is the the cherry on top of the sundae...that maybe Shaka isn't as good as we think he is.
To be clear, the season MIGHT end prematurly. But Scoop has the collective resiliance of tissue paper. The program is in a great place, but all these group of numbskulls do is moan, groan and complain.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 16, 2025, 08:50:10 AMI literally responded to Muggsy that Wisconsin is deserving of their current seeding. The implication is that they have a better resume than Marquette. I have never disputed ANY of those things. But why would you take the joy away from what was a fun rivalry game in December to lament about where they are now? I mean last year, even though we were clearly a better program, we had people lamenting that we lost to UW. JFC, can't people just enjoy themselves?
My entire issue with Scoop the last couple of weeks is that people act like the season is over, that Marquette is overrated, and...and this is the the cherry on top of the sundae...that maybe Shaka isn't as good as we think he is.
To be clear, the season MIGHT end prematurly. But Scoop has the collective resiliance of tissue paper. The program is in a great place, but all these group of numbskulls do is moan, groan and complain.
Do you think you are helping the quality of the board by teaming up with the posters who repeat the same, tired responses to almost anything that can be remotely interpreted as negative.
Like things relating to Gard being better than Shaka, being "scared" of any upcoming opponent just by mentioning that they won a game, etc.
Ignoring those sarcastic posts and locating meaningful comments often requires scrolling through entire pages because of the comments themselves and those that quote them, even when the original poster has been put on ignore.
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2025, 09:49:57 AMDo you think you are helping the quality of the board by teaming up with the posters who repeat the same, tired responses to almost anything that can be remotely interpreted as negative.
Like things relating to Gard being better than Shaka, being "scared" of any upcoming opponent just by mentioning that they won a game, etc.
Ignoring those sarcastic posts and locating meaningful comments often requires scrolling through entire pages because of the comments themselves and those that quote them, even when the original poster has been put on ignore.
I am perfectly happy with how I post. Sorry its difficult for you to manage it.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 16, 2025, 09:55:40 AMI am perfectly happy with how I post. Sorry its difficult for you to manage it.
Imagine finding many meaningful comments on scoop about actual basketball
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2025, 10:15:00 AMImagine finding many meaningful comments on scoop about actual basketball
Imagine lecturing other posters about the quality of their posts on any message board anywhere.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 16, 2025, 10:19:50 AMImagine lecturing other posters about the quality of their posts on any message board anywhere.
The best posters are Paint Touches guys when they post actual analysis and Brew who does the same. The next best is Tower and MU12 who see the good and bad on actual in game play with strategy, good and bad.
The rest is generic cliches and lack of any perspective about the sport or team(s).
There's a reason no one here is on a staff in major college basketball.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 16, 2025, 09:55:40 AMI am perfectly happy with how I post. Sorry its difficult for you to manage it.
I guess we both feel the same way about our posts.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2025, 10:25:04 AMThe best posters are Paint Touches guys when they post actual analysis and Brew who does the same. The next best is Tower and MU12 who see the good and bad on actual in game play with strategy, good and bad.
The rest is generic cliches and lack of any perspective about the sport or team(s).
There's a reason no one here is on a staff in major college basketball.
You could have just stopped at the paint touches guys and Brew. But then there would be no message boards and just blogs.
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2025, 09:49:57 AMDo you think you are helping the quality of the board by teaming up with the posters who repeat the same, tired responses to almost anything that can be remotely interpreted as negative.
Like things relating to Gard being better than Shaka, being "scared" of any upcoming opponent just by mentioning that they won a game, etc.
Ignoring those sarcastic posts and locating meaningful comments often requires scrolling through entire pages because of the comments themselves and those that quote them, even when the original poster has been put on ignore.
Bully.
To be clear, you get offended when criticized and then pull that crap? Irony and self awareness elude you.
I come here to embrace the anarchy and nihilism. Vive' la difference.
Quote from: tower912 on February 16, 2025, 12:15:58 PMBully.
To be clear, you get offended when criticized and then pull that crap? Irony and self awareness elude you.
I come here to embrace the anarchy and nihilism. Vive' la difference.
Thank you for weighing in.
I think it's ironic that people get upset if they think a poster is too negative, but actively participate in the schticks that really get in the way of actual discussion.
I'm not surprised which side you're on because you have said that you think those schticks are funny.
But, I'm going to defend my positions, especially when the disagreements are accompanied by name calling.
Please defend your positions. That is why we are here. What you are missing is that you routinely play the aggrieved victim card while criticizing, IN THE EXACT SAME WAY YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT WHEN DIRECTED AT YOU, how other choose to express their opinions.
You are defending your right to criticize others as you see fit while exhibiting tissue paper thin skin.
But thank you for the laughs. I know I can take it, and Rico and newsdreams seem amused and unaffected by you, as well. And we all need laughs wherever we can find them.
Quote from: tower912 on February 16, 2025, 03:09:13 PMPlease defend your positions. That is why we are here. What you are missing is that you routinely play the aggrieved victim card while criticizing, IN THE EXACT SAME WAY YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT WHEN DIRECTED AT YOU, how other choose to express their opinions.
You are defending your right to criticize others as you see fit while exhibiting tissue paper thin skin.
But thank you for the laughs. I know I can take it, and Rico and newsdreams seem amused and unaffected by you, as well. And we all need laughs wherever we can find them.
I do get extremely concerned....
And then you take another hit.
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2025, 10:25:48 AMI guess we both feel the same way about our posts.
...you, Willie Warrior, I appreciate your posts.
I appreciate their, and your, snarky sarcasm and unfailing optimism and humor. If there was a scoop hall of fame, they would get my vote. Along with that one post troll to whom you gave his only like. That brought a sentimental tear to my eye.
Quote from: tower912 on February 16, 2025, 03:09:13 PMPlease defend your positions. That is why we are here. What you are missing is that you routinely play the aggrieved victim card while criticizing, IN THE EXACT SAME WAY YOU COMPLAIN ABOUT WHEN DIRECTED AT YOU, how other choose to express their opinions.
You are defending your right to criticize others as you see fit while exhibiting tissue paper thin skin.
But thank you for the laughs. I know I can take it, and Rico and newsdreams seem amused and unaffected by you, as well. And we all need laughs wherever we can find them.
I really don't know, and couldn't care less, what Rico and newsdreams think of me because I have both of them (and several others) on ignore so I don't have to see the drivel they post unless someone quotes it. When I see the quotes it usually confirms that I didn't miss anything.
You have to see that you aren't exactly a neutral observer on this issue. Because you are part of the clique that carries on the running "jokes" that dominate the board, I'm not surprised that you would come to the defense of the poster who chided me for not being a proper menber of the "community" for not knowing you were a Lions fan.
Good for you that you have a group that can spring to the defense of each other. But, I'm the bully. Got it.
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2025, 05:30:15 PMI really don't know, and couldn't care less, what Rico and newsdreams think of me because I have both of them (and several others) on ignore so I don't have to see the drivel they post unless someone quotes it.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2025, 05:30:15 PMYou have to see that you aren't exactly a neutral observer on this issue. Because you are part of the clique that carries on the running "jokes" that dominate the board, I'm not surprised that you would come to the defense of the poster who chided me for not being a proper menber of the "community" for not knowing you were a Lions fan.
Good for you that you have a group that can spring to the defense of each other. But, I'm the bully. Got it.
What do you think the point of this site is???
Oh are we doing this again?
Quote from: The Sultan on February 16, 2025, 05:32:28 PMBWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
What do you think the point of this site is???
Don't print that I'm mad. I'm not mad.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 16, 2025, 05:34:15 PMOh are we doing this again?
I'd say Marquette needs to play a game but that just makes everyone angrier
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 16, 2025, 05:38:17 PMI'd say Marquette needs to play a game but that just makes everyone angrier
T-minus 54 hours...
Being miserable is unhealthy...
Quote from: wisblue on February 16, 2025, 05:30:15 PMI really don't know, and couldn't care less, what Rico and newsdreams think of me because I have both of them (and several others) on ignore so I don't have to see the drivel they post unless someone quotes it. When I see the quotes it usually confirms that I didn't miss anything.
You have to see that you aren't exactly a neutral observer on this issue. Because you are part of the clique that carries on the running "jokes" that dominate the board, I'm not surprised that you would come to the defense of the poster who chided me for not being a proper menber of the "community" for not knowing you were a Lions fan.
Good for you that you have a group that can spring to the defense of each other. But, I'm the bully. Got it.
I appreciate you making my point. Respect.
I wish Newsdreams wouldn't set such a bad example for my children
Can't remember from past reveals ...
Will there be another before Selection Sunday, or was this all we get?
Quote from: MU82 on February 16, 2025, 07:07:43 PMCan't remember from past reveals ...
Will there be another before Selection Sunday, or was this all we get?
Pretty sure yesterday is all.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 16, 2025, 06:50:56 PMI wish Newsdreams wouldn't set such a bad example for my children
My bad
Quote from: MU82 on February 16, 2025, 07:07:43 PMCan't remember from past reveals ...
Will there be another before Selection Sunday, or was this all we get?
Its one and done, just like the tournament itself.
Quote from: bradforster on February 16, 2025, 11:33:03 PMIts one and done, just like the tournament itself.
Thanks to you and Hutch for your responses.
Think we may slide into that 16 spot if Purdue beats MSU tonight and we handle Seton Hall.
MSU has a crazy tough schedule to finish the year. Purdue also needs to win to avoid losing 3 straight.
This is the time of year where the games really start to get exciting!!!
Quote from: tower912 on February 16, 2025, 06:12:00 PMI appreciate you making my point. Respect.
Somehow I am beginning to align myself more closely to Towers views
Really going to have to question what Tower posts in the future if that's the case
Quote from: willie warrior on February 18, 2025, 12:22:57 PMSomehow I am beginning to align myself more closely to Towers views
Disrespectful
Well, poop.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 16, 2025, 05:34:15 PMOh are we doing this again?
The beatings will continue until morale improves