1. There comes a time to stay home on defense. Creighton exploited the crap out of switches.
2. Gold/Parham defending Ashworth with Kalkbrenner camping down low. Adjustments? That is the one. Switch 1-4 instead of 1-5.
3. Ashworth, with salt and pepper gray hair, playing like an old pro.
4. Chase cannot afford silly fouls.
5. Creighton is an offensive juggernaut.
6. Royce and Zaide show out. Parham earned the extra minutes. Looked tired at the end.
7. Neal being a difference maker was not on my radar. Alas.
8. MU with a solid second half. Creighton made the plays they had to to win at home.
9. That stretch is over. Get back to work.
I heard the committee weights 3 entertaining losses differently. Difference between a 3 seed and a 6 seed.
MU lost against the teams at the top. Feasted on the bottom.
After all the only thing that matters right now is March success
10. Ben Gold has scored a grand total of 2 points over the last 4 games. I don't care how good his defense is. Cannot have that kind of offensive production from a starter.
Very entertaining losing every key game so far in February. 3 game losing streak but at least it's fun. What are you watching? once again we lose cause only 2 guys showed up.
Really disappointing to go 0-3 in that stretch.
Second game in a row where this team fights back only to fold in last 4 minutes. Both games there to win, but they couldn't do it.
Hoping that the old Kam is back.
Not sure what's entertaining about wilting in the clutch again.
Battling back just to crumble gets old when it happens 4 times in like 3 weeks.
Stevie especially needs to find some self pride. There is no bigger insult in sports then being left wide open because the opponent. simply doesn't respect you and proceeding to miss 8 in a row.
This team has absolutely zero killer instinct
First half defense wasn't good enough. Kam figuring things out will help going forward. Second half was winning basketball, but once again tough to keep momentum when build yourself such a big hole you have to work so hard to get out of. Creighton hit the prayers they needed down the stretch. Ashworth telling everyone his old ass needs to go home, it's past his bed time. Or was it that he needs to put his child to sleep?
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 08, 2025, 03:15:58 PM10. Ben Gold has scored a grand total of 2 points over the last 4 games. I don't care how good his defense is. Cannot have that kind of offensive production from a starter.
Didn't someone say Gold was hurt in the UCONN game? If that's the case, then he needs to sit until he is 100% because he's given us nothing of late.
9 - the stretch is over - go back to barely beating marginal BE teams we hope.
Every game this team has a player commit stupid fouls (Ross this time), go insanely cold (Mitchell this time), or continue to be a complete non-contributor (Gold for the last 4 games).
3- 7 to end the BE season is still on track. Those laughing at a 5 seed predictions - 5 may be generous....
We said we'd learn a lot about this team in the 3 game stretch. I think what we learned is this team has become mediocre. They can't shoot the ball and with shakas offense you would think he would get some shooters. I feel there needs to be some rethinking in terms of the portal. Team is just a mess and not that good
Quote from: Johnny B on February 08, 2025, 03:16:11 PMVery entertaining losing every key game so far in February. 3 game losing streak but at least it's fun. What are you watching? once again we lose cause only 2 guys showed up.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2025, 03:16:47 PMNot sure what's entertaining about wilting in the clutch again.
Battling back just to crumble gets old when it happens 4 times in like 3 weeks.
Stevie especially needs to find some self pride. There is no bigger insult in sports then being left wide open because the opponent. simply doesn't respect you and proceeding to miss 8 in a row.
This team has absolutely zero killer instinct
Since neither one of you can manage your emotions when things go bad, maybe you should find something else to do with your time then. Why watch sports if it doesn't entertain you?
I enjoyed their comeback. Too bad they couldn't finish it. It happens.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2025, 03:16:47 PMNot sure what's entertaining about wilting in the clutch again.
Battling back just to crumble gets old when it happens 4 times in like 3 weeks.
Stevie especially needs to find some self pride. There is no bigger insult in sports then being left wide open because the opponent. simply doesn't respect you and proceeding to miss 8 in a row.
This team has absolutely zero killer instinct
Self pride. lol. What a self own
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on February 08, 2025, 03:16:39 PMSecond game in a row where this team fights back only to fold in last 4 minutes. Both games there to win, but they couldn't do it.
Hoping that the old Kam is back.
Was hoping Kam's new hair style would be the difference.
Quote from: warriors141 on February 08, 2025, 03:18:53 PMWe said we'd learn a lot about this team in the 3 game stretch. I think what we learned is this team has become mediocre. They can't shoot the ball and with shakas offense you would think he would get some shooters. I feel there needs to be some rethinking in terms of the portal. Team is just a mess and not that good
We're doomed.
Lost a conference road game against a really good team.
Entertained by the return of Kam, Royce and Zaide, attacking the boards.
Looking forward to 6 of the next 7 games.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 08, 2025, 03:19:26 PMSince neither one of you can manage your emotions when things go bad, maybe you should find something else to do with your time then. Why watch sports if it doesn't entertain you?
I enjoyed their comeback. Too bad they couldn't finish it. It happens.
Sports do entertain me?
Losing doesn't entertain me
What a dumb comment.
Quote from: MU24 on February 08, 2025, 03:15:49 PMMU lost against the teams at the top. Feasted on the bottom.
After all the only thing that matters right now is March success
not sure pulling one out of their arse against DePaul is "feasting"
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 08, 2025, 03:15:58 PM10. Ben Gold has scored a grand total of 2 points over the last 4 games. I don't care how good his defense is. Cannot have that kind of offensive production from a starter.
Keep wondering when is rock bottom, just keeps getting worse
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 03:13:58 PM1. There comes a time to stay home on defense. Creighton exploited the crap out of switches.
2. Gold/Parham defending Ashworth with Kalkbrenner camping down low. Adjustments? That is the one. Switch 1-4 instead of 1-5.
How much evidence did Shaka need to realize that switch is exactly what creighton wanted. I was fuming at the TV lol
Nothing about Stevie?- I love the guy and everything he does - but him missing 7 wide open threes in a row killed us and allowed them to play 5 on 4 on D when he was in.
You can see he's overthinking "oh no, I'm open again, geez I'd better shoot, maybe it will go in" rather than "I can't believe they left me open, I'm gonna stuff this in the hoop"
Stevie has been such a warrior but pretty embarrassing game for him. Creighton just simply said "you aren't good enough to make wide open threes" and they were right today.
Its hard to compete against really good teams when you are constantly playing 3 vs 5 on the offensive end. Love Stevie but he can't miss those wide open threes and then turn down shot after shot.
Defensively,we struggle if we don't turn them over. That high screen killed us.
Two positives in an "entertaining loss", Kam find his mojo and Zaide/Parham contributing more and more.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2025, 03:20:35 PMSports do entertain me?
Losing doesn't entertain me
What a dumb comment.
You seem frustrated. You should find something else to do with your time. Paint a picture. Take up yoga.
But instead you waste a Saturday embarrassing yourself in the game topic.
SMH.
Quote from: 1SE on February 08, 2025, 03:21:49 PMNothing about Stevie?- I love the guy and everything he does - but him missing 7 wide open threes in a row killed us and allowed them to play 5 on 4 on D when he was in.
You can see he's overthinking "oh no, I'm open again, geez I'd better shoot, maybe it will go in" rather than "I can't believe they left me open, I'm gonna stuff this in the hoop"
He was under a lot of pressure since it was his coach's most important game.
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 08, 2025, 03:15:58 PM10. Ben Gold has scored a grand total of 2 points over the last 4 games. I don't care how good his defense is. Cannot have that kind of offensive production from a starter.
Uconn game: Johnson 13 pts, 4 rebounds. Gold zero points, zero rebounds
SJU game: Zuby 13 points, 13 rebounds. Gold 2 points, zero rebounds
CU game: Kalk 19 points, 7 rebounds. Gold zero points, 2 rebounds.
He did not score in Butler game, but had 7 rebounds. So, in last four games, has only made one shot, a layup. But, today, he saw minimal minutes, maybe like 10 total, with Parham getting his minutes. After Uconn game, Shaka said he is NOT injured, but Shaka did not like matchups. Tough goings for Gold lately.
We were 3-15 on 3s. Mitchell intimidated to not shoot. Gold totally non existent. Creighton totally disrespected Mitchell shooting 3s. McDermott schools Shaka. We did not have anything for 3 point shooting. Another loss. What the f was entertaining about that? Putting that kind of spin on a 3 game losing streak is a huge gloss over of the shape this team is in.
Good recap. 8 and 9 particularly relevant. Creighton took it and now let's get back to winning.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 08, 2025, 03:22:03 PMStevie has been such a warrior but pretty embarrassing game for him. Creighton just simply said "you aren't good enough to make wide open threes" and they were right today.
That's how they defended him last game. Nothing changed.
That's on Shaka to make an adjustment instead of just rolling with.
Quote from: nyg on February 08, 2025, 03:26:17 PMUconn game: Johnson 13 pts, 4 rebounds. Gold zero points, zero rebounds
SJU game: Zuby 13 points, 13 rebounds. Gold 2 points, zero rebounds
CU game: Kalk 19 points, 7 rebounds. Gold zero points, 2 rebounds.
He did not score in Butler game, but had 7 rebounds. So, in last four games, has only made one shot, a layup. But, today, he saw minimal minutes, maybe like 10 total, with Parham getting his minutes. After Uconn game, Shaka said he is NOT injured, but Shaka did not like matchups. Tough goings for Gold lately.
Those in Wisconsin is "Ben Gold's Offense" on the side of a milk carton yet?
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 03:20:27 PMLost a conference road game against a really good team.
Entertained by the return of Kam, Royce and Zaide, attacking the boards.
Looking forward to 6 of the next 7 games.
Back to playing a bunch of bad teams should help
Anybody who is objective, which eliminates many, here could see this bad stretch coming. It started in the conference opener. They were mostly escaping games against crummy teams.
This has been a lousy team since the Wisconsin win. They have so many flaws. So many who cannot be counted on at all game to game. I don't see it getting much better. This is who they are.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 08, 2025, 03:20:10 PMWe're doomed.
If you think this team is good right now I'll have what you are smoking
Quote from: The Sultan on February 08, 2025, 03:23:45 PMHe was under a lot of pressure since it was his coach's most important game.
Sure looked like it. Kids on JV at a DIII school wouldn't miss that many wode open from the top of the key.
I am nearly convinced that Raftery was right and Ben has a recurrence of shin splints. Not moving the same the last couple of games. No lift.
McDermott put on a clinic today in doing the same thing and tricking the opposing coach into not adjusting.
You can see why Shaka has tried so hard to get the bench going. Lowery and Parham are higher ceiling players than Stevie and Gold. Owens had some good moments today as well. Lowery needs to be more aggressive on offense but he's a good defender and brings more size to a switch.
Quote from: nyg on February 08, 2025, 03:26:17 PMUconn game: Johnson 13 pts, 4 rebounds. Gold zero points, zero rebounds
SJU game: Zuby 13 points, 13 rebounds. Gold 2 points, zero rebounds
CU game: Kalk 19 points, 7 rebounds. Gold zero points, 2 rebounds.
He did not score in Butler game, but had 7 rebounds. So, in last four games, has only made one shot, a layup. But, today, he saw minimal minutes, maybe like 10 total, with Parham getting his minutes. After Uconn game, Shaka said he is NOT injured, but Shaka did not like matchups. Tough goings for Gold lately.
These are the games Gold is suppossed to negate Kalk's defensive prowess.
Unfortunately Gold and Stevie not being able to hit 3s makes it so easy for Creighton to defend us as he just needs to stay in the paint.
Quote from: CountryRoads on February 08, 2025, 03:22:03 PMStevie has been such a warrior but pretty embarrassing game for him. Creighton just simply said "you aren't good enough to make wide open threes" and they were right today.
What a surprise
Quote from: willie warrior on February 08, 2025, 03:26:59 PMWe were 3-15 on 3s. Mitchell intimidated to not shoot. Gold totally non existent. Creighton totally disrespected Mitchell shooting 3s. McDermott schools Shaka. We did not have anything for 3 point shooting. Another loss. What the f was entertaining about that? Putting that kind of spin on a 3 game losing streak is a huge gloss over of the shape this team is in.
Thanks, Wingdings
Quote from: Big Papi on February 08, 2025, 03:27:33 PMThat's how they defended him last game. Nothing changed.
That's on Shaka to make an adjustment instead of just rolling with.
Yeah, needed to run Zaide even more today- give up some on D (but not Stevies best game there anyway) to keep them.hinest on O - maybe he would have more if Chase hadn't been in foul trouble.
A true PG would help. Kam has to do too much. Other than Jop and Kam not much offense. Positive, they were strong on the boards. Ball just not falling right now.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on February 08, 2025, 03:28:35 PMAnybody who is objective, which eliminates many, here could see this bad stretch coming. It started in the conference opener. They were mostly escaping games against crummy teams.
This has been a lousy team since the Wisconsin win. They have so many flaws. So many who cannot be counted on at all game to game. I don't see it getting much better. This is who they are.
With the portal, the poor team construction is on the coach. If you aren't going to at least dabble in the portal then you really need to hit on your recruits and Shaka has not. The "not using portal strategy" was a super cool story and I wish it worked but I'm having serious doubts
Well, I don't think we hit our ceiling yet, but the ascent is on a very mild grade up.
Will we improve enough to get anywhere in the NCAA tournament?
"Entertaining loss"...lol, okay.
Do we have one offensive set that can get us a easy bucket? Every team we play has at least one and uses it to get a few easy baskets. I thought we might have one when late in the game, down by 1, Shaka slowed it down, called out clear instructions and pointed where he wanted a couple of the guys. The result? Half hearted pick and pop to force Kalkbrenner onto Kam who then preceded to take a step back three over a contesting 7 footer. The excessive dribbling while 4 guys stand around is getting old...and isn't very effective.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 08, 2025, 03:19:26 PMSince neither one of you can manage your emotions when things go bad, maybe you should find something else to do with your time then. Why watch sports if it doesn't entertain you?
I enjoyed their comeback. Too bad they couldn't finish it. It happens.
It was fun but damn just frustrating seeing the deep lose so much. Excuse the venting. This board is a saint compared to the stuff said on most other board s
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2025, 03:17:47 PMFirst half defense wasn't good enough. Kam figuring things out will help going forward. Second half was winning basketball, but once again tough to keep momentum when build yourself such a big hole you have to work so hard to get out of. Creighton hit the prayers they needed down the stretch. Ashworth telling everyone his old ass needs to go home, it's past his bed time. Or was it that he needs to put his child to sleep?
Comment of the f*cking day.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 03:30:48 PMI am nearly convinced that Raftery was right and Ben has a recurrence of shin splints. Not moving the same the last couple of games. No lift.
Sure but everyone could see that this year's team needed a pg and another big guy. Shaka decided to get neither. Either pickup would have been huge right now.
Quote from: muhoops1 on February 08, 2025, 03:32:58 PMA true PG would help. Kam has to do too much. Other than Jop and Kam not much offense. Positive, they were strong on the boards. Ball just not falling right now.
Kam is a scoring guard who can dish off the drive. He's not a floor general like Kolek. They miss Sean Jones. He's not a savior but he's a different look and brings some speed.
Just need a positive attitude to finish out the season. Need to get past win number 18.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 03:30:48 PMI am nearly convinced that Raftery was right and Ben has a recurrence of shin splints. Not moving the same the last couple of games. No lift.
Raferty not the coach. Shaka stated it was matchups and no mention of injuries, especially a shin splint issue from August, 2023. If he is, that if, then why is he even playing and being such a liability.
we'll see how next game goes, minutes wise.
Quote from: Big Papi on February 08, 2025, 03:36:22 PMSure but everyone could see that this year's team needed a pg and another big guy. Shaka decided to get neither. Either pickup would have been huge right now.
Did you know how Sean Jones' recovery would go? Do you bring in a transfer over him if you think he'll be back?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2025, 03:16:47 PMNot sure what's entertaining about wilting in the clutch again.
Battling back just to crumble gets old when it happens 4 times in like 3 weeks.
Stevie especially needs to find some self pride. There is no bigger insult in sports then being left wide open because the opponent. simply doesn't respect you and proceeding to miss 8 in a row.
This team has absolutely zero killer instinct
You are truly the worst.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 08, 2025, 03:22:59 PMYou seem frustrated. You should find something else to do with your time. Paint a picture. Take up yoga.
But instead you waste a Saturday embarrassing yourself in the game topic.
SMH.
And you waste your Saturday complaining about people venting in a game thread? By your own logic go to something else then if you don't like it?
Maybe our expectations were too great.
Team plays their heart out.
Quote from: Johnny B on February 08, 2025, 03:39:54 PMAnd you waste your Saturday complaining about people venting in a game thread? By your own logic go to something else then if you don't like it?
Just the opposite. Trolling Scoopers after a loss gives me joy.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 08, 2025, 03:38:30 PMDid you know how Sean Jones' recovery would go? Do you bring in a transfer over him if you think he'll be back?
It was a major injury and you had a really good nucleus of a team. A one year rental at the 1 or 5 could have elevated this team. The short comings were and still are obvious for those who don't wear blue and gold glasses.
I said we needed Ashworth to go 1-14 from three again. Instead, it was Stevie who pulled an Ashworth in Milwaukee impression today.
Liked seeing the fight on the offensive boards after the last game. People think rebounding is about size but more often than not it's about positioning and hustle. We had both today and the stats bore that out.
Both teams had a big two and a third needed to step up for the eventual victor. We didn't have one, they had Neal.
34 threes are too many for this team. More Kam drives, please. And Chase seemed non-existent in the second half.
Quote from: warriors141 on February 08, 2025, 03:29:32 PMIf you think this team is good right now I'll have what you are smoking
We're doomed.
Quote from: nyg on February 08, 2025, 03:37:56 PMRaferty not the coach. Shaka stated it was matchups and no mention of injuries, especially a shin splint issue from August, 2023. If he is, that if, then why is he even playing and being such a liability.
we'll see how next game goes, minutes wise.
The regulars here always enlighten everyone about phantom injuries
This thread is almost as embarrassing as the game thread.
Quote from: MU24 on February 08, 2025, 03:15:49 PMMU lost against the teams at the top. Feasted on the bottom.
After all the only thing that matters right now is March success
MU is 2-4 (after winning the first 2) against the top 5 teams in the league and no reason to be confident about the two at the end of the year. Not exactly the sign of a champion.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 03:30:48 PMI am nearly convinced that Raftery was right and Ben has a recurrence of shin splints. Not moving the same the last couple of games. No lift.
If he's so hurt he can't score a basket in 3 games or barely grab a rebound he shouldn't be playing. That's on Shaka if that's the case.
Every team is flawed. The overcoming is the magic.
Plus, the offseason school of thought by the scoop intelligentsia (not me) was that Sean would return.
The scholarships were spoken for when Clark signed. Nobody left.
THERE WAS NO OPENING TO BRING ANYONE IN AFTER CLARK SIGNED.
Shaka isn't going to boot anybody.
Math.
Quote from: wisblue on February 08, 2025, 03:45:27 PMMU is 2-4 (after winning the first 2) against the top 5 teams in the league and no reason to be confident about the two at the end of the year. Not exactly the sign of a champion.
We're doomed.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 08, 2025, 03:43:42 PM34 threes are too many for this team. More Kam drives, please. And Chase seemed non-existent in the second half.
34 are too many. But what can a team do when Kalk is defending the paint and you refuse to shoot mid range shots. You end up shooting a lot of 3s.
Team construction needs to be better.
Quote from: Big Papi on February 08, 2025, 03:48:35 PM34 are too many. But what can a team do when Kalk is defending the paint and you refuse to shoot mid range shots. You end up shooting a lot of 3s.
Team construction needs to be better.
I just love that "the midrange" has become the bogeyman for the season.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2025, 03:17:47 PMFirst half defense wasn't good enough. Kam figuring things out will help going forward. Second half was winning basketball, but once again tough to keep momentum when build yourself such a big hole you have to work so hard to get out of. Creighton hit the prayers they needed down the stretch. Ashworth telling everyone his old ass needs to go home, it's past his bed time. Or was it that he needs to put his child to sleep?
Prayers? Those were all good shots. Kickout to Kalk for a wide open three, Neal with a step back he'd been measuring up off the dribble, Ashworth faking out two defenders with a jab step dribble. They made the shots when they needed to, we did not. Ball game.
Quote from: Big Papi on February 08, 2025, 03:48:35 PM34 are too many. But what can a team do when Kalk is defending the paint and you refuse to shoot mid range shots. You end up shooting a lot of 3s.
Team construction needs to be better.
I am enjoying the development of the young guys. I have not given up on this season (18-6. Really?) and am looking forward to next season, too.
I've said it a few times but losing at home to UConn was the most disappointing result. Losing on the road to St. John's and Creighton, while disappointing, shouldn't be shocking.
I thought we'd go 2-1 in this stretch and was obviously way off on that.
That being said, some positive signs with Kam, Zaide and Royce. Schedule lightens up a bit so time to battle for a top 4 seed.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 08, 2025, 03:51:26 PMPrayers? Those were all good shots. Kickout to Kalk for a wide open three, Neal with a step back he'd been measuring up off the dribble, Ashworth faking out two defenders with a jab step dribble. They made the shots when they needed to, we did not. Ball game.
Yep, as simple as that.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 08, 2025, 03:49:46 PMI just love that "the midrange" has become the bogeyman for the season.
I'd like to be St. John's right now. Match the offense to what you have. Shaka doesn't have the guys to run the analytic offense they want
UConn is UConn. Xavier was the one I didn't see coming.
Hopefully the younger guys keep getting minutes and keep improving.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 08, 2025, 03:54:39 PMHopefully the younger guys keep getting minutes and keep improving.
You can see it coming.
You can only take so many developmental players and still afford yourself the opportunity to play for a Big East title and a national championship.
Probably should not have taken Clark and instead tried to find a contributor who can diminish or eliminate your flaws if you are not going to boot anyone.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 03:46:57 PMEvery team is flawed. The overcoming is the magic.
Plus, the offseason school of thought by the scoop intelligentsia (not me) was that Sean would return.
The scholarships were spoken for when Clark signed. Nobody left.
THERE WAS NO OPENING TO BRING ANYONE IN AFTER CLARK SIGNED.
Shaka isn't going to boot anybody.
Math.
Clark signed later so Shaka obviously took a close look at players available in the Portal and decided none were a good fit (and probably demanded too much money), so it isn't like Shaka couldn't sign someone before he signed Clark. From what we saw from Kam when Kolek was out it was pretty clear he could play the 1.
I'll say it again
Kam
Zaide
Damarius
Joplin
Royce
was fun to watch! I think had Chase not been dumb today it would have been
Kam
Chase
Zaide
Jop
Royce
May be the lineup with the highest ceiling.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 03:54:35 PMUConn is UConn. Xavier was the one I didn't see coming.
None of us saw them getting Freemantle back. They'd be really dangerous if Traore hadn't gotten hurt before the season. We dodged a bullet playing them at Cintas without Freemantle.
Quote from: Big Papi on February 08, 2025, 03:55:14 PMYou can only take so many developmental players and still afford yourself the opportunity to play for a Big East title and a national championship.
Probably should not have taken Clark and instead tried to find a contributor who can diminish or eliminate your flaws if you are not going to boot anyone.
They are all developmental players. Like Kolek, Oso, Omax, Kam, Stevie. Every player who has ever come to MU was a developmental player.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 08, 2025, 03:51:26 PMPrayers? Those were all good shots. Kickout to Kalk for a wide open three, Neal with a step back he'd been measuring up off the dribble, Ashworth faking out two defenders with a jab step dribble. They made the shots when they needed to, we did not. Ball game.
I think anyone lives with Kalk taking a 3 in a 1 possession game. Neal's wasn't a prayer? The career 28% three point shooter shot a step back 3 with 6'10" Parham in his jersey, then hit a fading baseline 13 footer with Lowery in his jersey the next possession. Complete prayers.
Why are we still talking about not talking transfers? Shaka's philosophy is pretty clear on that. For everyone complaining about that approach it's also the reason we still have Kam.
Get a grip.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2025, 03:57:43 PMI think anyone lives with Kalk taking a 3 in a 1 possession game. Neal's wasn't a prayer? He shot a step back 3 with 6'10" Parham in his jersey, then hit a fading baseline 13 footer with Lowery in his jersey the next possession. Complete prayers.
Neal shots were tough.
Kudos to him for hitting those.
We didn't have anyone hit those toe of shots in those situations in awhile.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2025, 03:57:43 PMI think anyone lives with Kalk taking a 3 in a 1 possession game. Neal's wasn't a prayer? He shot a step back 3 with 6'10" Parham in his jersey, then hit a fading baseline 13 footer with Lowery in his jersey the next possession. Complete prayers.
a prayer is Kam's three at the end of the half. Kalk has range, 40.5% from three on the season, he was wide open and had a chance to get set. Neal was measuring that shot up and got himself room. He also created that 13 footer with his drive and looked determined to put it up; it was no more a "prayer" than Kam's shots over an outstretched Kalk in his face.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 03:51:36 PMI am enjoying the development of the young guys. I have not given up on this season (18-6. Really?) and am looking forward to next season, too.
18-6 when you were 18-3 isn't really that great of thing but I get what ur saying
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 03:55:08 PMYou can see it coming.
If any of the juniors, sophomores or freshman are back next year, this team won't make double digit wins
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 08, 2025, 03:58:41 PMWhy are we still talking about not talking transfers? Shaka's philosophy is pretty clear on that. For everyone complaining about that approach it's also the reason we still have Kam.
Get a grip.
So we can't be disappointed.
We can't vent.
Everything is rosy.
Shaka can't do anything wrong.
No point in debating anything.
Got it.
Thanks for putting me in my place and telling me to get a grip.
I appreciate it.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 08, 2025, 03:58:41 PMWhy are we still talking about not talking transfers? Shaka's philosophy is pretty clear on that. For everyone complaining about that approach it's also the reason we still have Kam.
Get a grip.
First day on scoop?
Another thing Shaka said after SJU was that, because of the way MU does things, the bench is always going to be young. Nobody listens.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 08, 2025, 04:02:33 PMa prayer is Kam's three at the end of the half. Kalk has range, 40.5% from three on the season, he was wide open and had a chance to get set. Neal was measuring that shot up and got himself room. He also created that 13 footer with his drive and looked determined to put it up; it was no more a "prayer" than Kam's shots over an outstretched Kalk in his face.
I'll go ahead and stick to a 28% three point shooter making a miracle step back 3 with Royce defending it as well as you can a prayer. Just because someone "measures up" a horrible shot doesn't mean it's a good shot. They hit their prayers down the stretch. Much like Jop's prayer went unanswered on a horrible possession down the stretch. He measured it up. It was still a horrendous shot, and would've been a minor miracle had it gone in.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 08, 2025, 03:19:26 PMSince neither one of you can manage your emotions when things go bad, maybe you should find something else to do with your time then. Why watch sports if it doesn't entertain you?
I enjoyed their comeback. Too bad they couldn't finish it. It happens.
Be sure to take advice about how to spend your time from a guy who spends his going back through game threads two days after the game.
Quote from: Big Papi on February 08, 2025, 04:04:17 PMSo we can't be disappointed.
We can't vent.
Everything is rosy.
Shaka can't do anything wrong.
No point in debating anything.
Got it.
Thanks for putting me in my place and telling me to get a grip.
I appreciate it.
Are you a parody account or am I supposed to take this post seriously? Because I said none of that nor should any of it be inferred.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 04:04:55 PMFirst day on scoop?
Another thing Shaka said after SJU was that, because of the way MU does things, the bench is always going to be young. Nobody listens.
Would be nice if people listened (and thought) more.
This was always a schedule loss. Whatever. Season moves on.
Big Papi, you have been here since the beginning. So you should know better. When has there not been this back and forth after losses? These arguments happened after losses by Crean, Buzz, Wojo, Shaka. It is the essence of scoop. You have been around too long to be offended by being disagreed with.
So vent. Complain. Blame the coach. Own it. Defend it.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 04:08:58 PMBig Papi, you have been here since the beginning. So you should know better. When has there not been this back and forth after losses? These arguments happened after losses by Crean, Buzz, Wojo, Shaka. It is the essence of scoop. You have been around too long to be offended by being disagreed with.
So vent. Complain. Blame the coach. Own it. Defend it.
I didn't even quote the dude. It was a general comment but the fact he took exceptions says a lot.
Just didn't know we can never question Shaka and his portal philosophy at any point in time. Thank you for helping me get a grip.
On the positive side our rebounding was much improved.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 03:57:31 PMThey are all developmental players. Like Kolek, Oso, Omax, Kam, Stevie. Every player who has ever come to MU was a developmental player.
Yes they are all developmental players but we have Al, Clark and Hamilton not contributing on the court.
Kolek, Kam, Omax and Stevie all contributed year one on the court.
Quote from: nyg on February 08, 2025, 03:26:17 PMUconn game: Johnson 13 pts, 4 rebounds. Gold zero points, zero rebounds
SJU game: Zuby 13 points, 13 rebounds. Gold 2 points, zero rebounds
CU game: Kalk 19 points, 7 rebounds. Gold zero points, 2 rebounds.
He did not score in Butler game, but had 7 rebounds. So, in last four games, has only made one shot, a layup. But, today, he saw minimal minutes, maybe like 10 total, with Parham getting his minutes. After Uconn game, Shaka said he is NOT injured, but Shaka did not like matchups. Tough goings for Gold lately.
Shin splints is not an injury, Stevie's ankle tendonitis is not an injury. Painful conditions that limit your play / playing time.
Big Papi, you can question anything you want. We all can and are actually doing so nonstop. Just like we questioned Crean's ability to recruit bigs, Buzz's reliance on juco's, everything about Wojo. Shaka has answered the question and explained his philosophy better than any scooper can. And maybe it ends up being the millstone that turns fans against him.
So, question away. But if you pay attention, you already know the answer. You just may not agree with it.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 08, 2025, 04:08:29 PMThis was always a schedule loss. Whatever. Season moves on.
Nice. Were losing to xavier and UConn at home schedule losses as well?
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 08, 2025, 04:16:07 PMNice. Were losing to xavier and UConn at home schedule losses as well?
UConn was because of the patented Shaka February fade
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 08, 2025, 04:16:07 PMNice. Were losing to xavier and UConn at home schedule losses as well?
X yes, UConn no. But we'll even it out at UConn and all will be well.
Quote from: Big Papi on February 08, 2025, 04:10:56 PMJust didn't know we can never question Shaka and his portal philosophy at any point in time. Thank you for helping me get a grip.
On the positive side our rebounding was much improved.
The issue for me is how much do you want to question a philosophy that is clearly set in stone and has achieved high level success so far?
And when you question it, why are the pros of that strategy never mentioned (IE retaining Kam)?
Maybe as we go forward there will be more objective evidence that the strategy is not the right one but I don't see how we're anywhere close to that point.
Just back from the game - contrary to some of the doom and gloom here, I came away encouraged by what I saw. It was a one possession game with 2 minutes left and then Creighton made their threes. Chase, Stevie and Ben were pretty much non factors and we were still within striking distance the whole game. Zaide, Royce and Demarius continue to get better and Kam and Jop got their mojo back. My only regret is that Kalkbrenner didn't get called for any of the many illegal screens he set.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2025, 04:05:50 PMI'll go ahead and stick to a 28% three point shooter making a miracle step back 3 with Royce defending it as well as you can a prayer. Just because someone "measures up" a horrible shot doesn't mean it's a good shot. They hit their prayers down the stretch. Much like Jop's prayer went unanswered on a horrible possession down the stretch. He measured it up. It was still a horrendous shot, and would've been a minor miracle had it gone in.
Kalkbrenner's 3 was a good shot. Ashworth's three was a good shot (after both guys trying to guard him decided to do something else). Neal's three was not a great shot but he nailed it. Wish we could hit some shots at the end of the game, but was not to be.
Quote from: PointWarrior on February 08, 2025, 04:16:07 PMNice. Were losing to xavier and UConn at home schedule losses as well?
Did he say they were?
It's a disappointing loss for sure and there are no moral victories. Our shooting and efficiency is way too inconsistent, there's no way to sugarcoat that. In general we create offense from our defense or Kam going one on one. I think Ross and and Mitchell's offense is vitally important and there are many games where we don't have an efficient 2nd scorer. When Ross, Jop, or Stevie gives us an efficient 15 pts we're exponentially better. When Ben is part of the offense we are also better. The last 3 games has been a struggle finding offensive balance.
We played a much better 2H than we've seen in some time. I liked what I saw with Zaide and Royce. All this said there are many times where this MU team beats themselves and loses their poise. Specifically understanding a good shot vs a forced or moronic shot. We also constantly bite on shot fakes It's frustrating to watch from an experienced team.
I also think in our offensive sets it's way too much of a struggle to get quality looks, and this is perhaps something that can be tweaked. I dunno. We also don't get to the line enough.
I came into this season thinking we were a borderline top 25 team and was disappointed we didn't go grab a player from the portal that could elevate us to the next level.
I didn't think we needed a super star but there were some obvious flaws and to me it felt like with Kam, Stevie, Jop and Ross we had a legit chance at greatness.
For half this season, they proved me wrong. We have been ranked high most of the year.
We have played like crap for awhile but still winning.
These last 3 games were a guantlet. To lose all 3 has been very disappointing. The way we have lost them even more so. That the flaws that were obvious in March are still there now sucks.
Season is not lost. The sun will shine tomorrow. We will win again. We will make the tournament.
But in my opinion we have missed a
golden chance at greatness this year.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 08, 2025, 04:19:36 PMJust back from the game - contrary to some of the doom and gloom here, I came away encouraged by what I saw. It was a one possession game with 2 minutes left and then Creighton made their threes. Chase, Stevie and Ben were pretty much non factors and we were still within striking distance the whole game. Zaide, Royce and Demarius continue to get better and Kam and Jop got their mojo back. My only regret is that Kalkbrenner didn't get called for any of the many illegal screens he set.
Our challenge is the lack of consistency, which is not uncommon for college players. We have a lot of guys that are extremely capable but the reality is we don't know what we're getting on a given night (aside from effort) out of most of our guys. Hopefully we can build more consistency the next month going into the tourney.
The whole point of this philosophy was to get old, and presumably be mature enough to close games.
They collapsed in the last minute at Maryland and barely hung on. Blew a 15 point lead at Xavier, barely hung on. Fell apart at Iowa State and Dayton. Fell apart at St. Johns. Fell apart today, 13-4 in the last 3:50+.
This team lacks competitive maturity and it shows.
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 08, 2025, 04:25:59 PMThe whole point of this philosophy was to get old, and presumably be mature enough to close games.
They collapsed in the last minute at Maryland and barely hung on. Blew a 15 point lead at Xavier, barely hung on. Fell apart at Iowa State and Dayton. Fell apart at St. Johns. Fell apart today, 13-4 in the last 3:50+.
This team lacks competitive maturity and it shows.
I just don't think they have enough consistency offensively to execute late in tight games. Players don't have defined roles on that end of the floor and it's a problem.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 08, 2025, 04:29:35 PMI just don't think they have enough consistency offensively to execute late in tight games.
Isn't that something that should develop over four years?
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 08, 2025, 04:30:26 PMIsn't that something that should develop over four years?
Definitely. Look at how many possessions end with Joplin as the primary ball handler. Like that can't be the plan. A lot of this falls on Shaka tbh. And not necessarily in the X's and O's but more in the roster makeup.
Quote from: NickelDimer on February 08, 2025, 04:29:35 PMI just don't think they have enough consistency offensively to execute late in tight games. Players don't have defined roles on that end of the floor and it's a problem.
Tough to win with essentially 4 starters. I love Ben but he has been non existent the last several games. MU needs a big in this league.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 08, 2025, 04:41:07 PMTough to win with essentially 4 starters. I love Ben but he has been non existent the last several games. MU needs a big in this league.
I've been trying to understand how, over the course of the past three games (120 minutes of game time), our starting center has only scored 2 points.
Nm
At this stage of the game, we suck.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on February 08, 2025, 04:54:03 PMAt this stage of the game, we suck.
The over for 90 minutes stage?
No point guard. No center. Time to start using the portal the way Pitino and UCONN does. Seems to be working wonders for The Johnnies. That's the model we're competing against going forward.
Quote from: Big Papi on February 08, 2025, 03:55:14 PMYou can only take so many developmental players and still afford yourself the opportunity to play for a Big East title and a national championship.
Probably should not have taken Clark and instead tried to find a contributor who can diminish or eliminate your flaws if you are not going to boot anyone.
Which player should he have taken in the portal?
National championship? Good Lord, MU was a bottom half of the BE program when Shaka got the job. MU has one national title and it was 48 years ago. Jay Wright was at Nova for 15 years before he got a title and he's one of the top few coaches of his generation. It takes time to build a top program and there are no guarantees. Shaka can stay at MU as long as he wants as far as I'm concerned.
I chat a lot of MU hoops with one of my old MU profs with whom I'm still friends (Iowa State grad) and one thing I said to him earlier in the season after the Maryland, Purdue, and Bucky wins was we had an advantage coming into the season with the continuity in the roster and not having to figure out individual roles and fit (e.g. St's John's and their backcourt). We had no freshmen starting or even getting significant minutes early on in the season so we hit the ground running. IMO, as the season has gone on that advantage has diminished significantly and we've regressed to the mean.
Quote from: TheBlackJerryWest on February 08, 2025, 04:56:39 PMNo point guard. No center. Time to start using the portal the way Pitino and UCONN does. Seems to be working wonders for The Johnnies. That's the model we're competing against going forward.
Thanks
Y'all keep forgetting Kam is up for all American at PG.
No PG. Hysterical. 6 assists today.
Quote from: TheBlackJerryWest on February 08, 2025, 04:56:39 PMNo point guard. No center. Time to start using the portal the way Pitino and UCONN does. Seems to be working wonders for The Johnnies. That's the model we're competing against going forward.
For sure. Big sample size for St John's.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 05:01:12 PMY'all keep forgetting Kam is up for all American at PG.
No PG. Hysterical. 6 assists today.
He's not good
Pretty sure Jay Wright left (and with the cupboard full, BTW) 'cuz he didn't want to deal with the portal and NIL. It's, unfortunately, a whole new ballgame. Are we players?
Quote from: TheBlackJerryWest on February 08, 2025, 05:06:19 PMPretty sure Jay Wright left (and with the cupboard full, BTW) 'cuz he didn't want to deal with the portal and NIL. It's, unfortunately, a whole new ballgame. Are we players?
Have you been paying attention?
Quote from: TheBlackJerryWest on February 08, 2025, 05:06:19 PMPretty sure Jay Wright left (and with the cupboard full, BTW) 'cuz he didn't want to deal with the portal and NIL. It's, unfortunately, a whole new ballgame. Are we players?
No. We don't have NIL
Quote from: TheBlackJerryWest on February 08, 2025, 04:56:39 PMNo point guard. No center. Time to start using the portal the way Pitino and UCONN does. Seems to be working wonders for The Johnnies. That's the model we're competing against going forward.
Or we could use it like Indiana did. That's worked out well. UConn brought in Reed but also brought in Mahaney. How's he been for them?
Seeing how AJ Storr has been a program changer at Kansas we should have gone after him.
It's all the same game after game. There's no adjustments to the overall anemic offensive scheme. Their defense keeps them around but the offense comes up short. Off balance or out of rhythm three pointers and constantly getting blocked around the basket is getting old.
BJW, all signs are that MU players, particularly upperclassmen who have been productive, are paid via NIL. There are no official numbers.
MU has not taken a DI transfer in this new NIL era. Shaka did take transfers to fill out the roster his first season. TKo, OMax, Kur, Morsels. But nothing the last three seasons, choosing to focus on relationships and growth.
Going forward, MU has a 4 player recruiting class, filling 14 out of 15 scholarships for next season. Based on Shaka's statements, he looks at transfer candidates. They have to buy into the culture, be a clear upgrade, and not be looking for a bag drop.
Obviously, Kam is a fantastic player. But he's much better as a two guard playing and creating off the ball. w/o a true point guard (i.e. Kolek or Sean Jones), we don't have that option. We're far too easy to defend when the D only has to worry about one guy and there's very little ball movement. Maybe that's part of why we've been scoring in the 60's regularly?
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 08, 2025, 04:19:36 PMJust back from the game - contrary to some of the doom and gloom here, I came away encouraged by what I saw. It was a one possession game with 2 minutes left and then Creighton made their threes. Chase, Stevie and Ben were pretty much non factors and we were still within striking distance the whole game. Zaide, Royce and Demarius continue to get better and Kam and Jop got their mojo back. My only regret is that Kalkbrenner didn't get called for any of the many illegal screens he set.
I called that out several times during the game. Those screens drive me nuts.
Quote from: TheBlackJerryWest on February 08, 2025, 05:29:28 PMObviously, Kam is a fantastic player. But he's much better as a two guard playing and creating off the ball. w/o a true point guard (i.e. Kolek or Sean Jones), we don't have that option. We're far too easy to defend when the D only has to worry about one guy and there's very little ball movement. Maybe that's part of why we've been scoring in the 60's regularly?
He's one of the best PGs in the country.
Quote from: 79Warrior on February 08, 2025, 04:41:07 PMTough to win with essentially 4 starters. I love Ben but he has been non existent the last several games. MU needs a big in this league.
0 rebounds in the last 57 mins of play...
That said, I read your first sentence and thought you were talking about Stevie, so there's that
Quote from: DoctorV on February 08, 2025, 05:34:15 PM0 rebounds in the last 57 mins of play...
That said, I read your first sentence and thought you were talking about Stevie, so there's that
That's freaking crazy Dr.V.
Quote from: DoctorV on February 08, 2025, 05:34:15 PM0 rebounds in the last 57 mins of play...
Gold had 2 today. Not adequate but not 0.
Quote from: lostpassword on February 08, 2025, 05:40:13 PMGold had 2 today. Not adequate but not 0.
Yep my bad it was before the game
Ben Gold has scored two points in his last four games. How is it possible to be that tall and completely unable to score? He has regressed big time.
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 08, 2025, 03:20:07 PMWas hoping Kam's new hair style would be the difference.
No hair of the game when we don't cover the spread
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 08, 2025, 04:30:26 PMIsn't that something that should develop over four years?
Oh yes. All part of relationships and development.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2025, 04:21:49 PMIt's a disappointing loss for sure and there are no moral victories. Our shooting and efficiency is way too inconsistent, there's no way to sugarcoat that. In general we create offense from our defense or Kam going one on one. I think Ross and and Mitchell's offense is vitally important and there are many games where we don't have an efficient 2nd scorer. When Ross, Jop, or Stevie gives us an efficient 15 pts we're exponentially better. When Ben is part of the offense we are also better. The last 3 games has been a struggle finding offensive balance.
We played a much better 2H than we've seen in some time. I liked what I saw with Zaide and Royce. All this said there are many times where this MU team beats themselves and loses their poise. Specifically understanding a good shot vs a forced or moronic shot. We also constantly bite on shot fakes It's frustrating to watch from an experienced team.
I also think in our offensive sets it's way too much of a struggle to get quality looks, and this is perhaps something that can be tweaked. I dunno. We also don't get to the line enough.
4 FT attempts today. Not nearly good enough
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on February 08, 2025, 05:58:13 PMBen Gold has scored two points in his last four games. How is it possible to be that tall and completely unable to score? He has regressed big time.
If he's hurt, sit him. If he's not, have him come off the bench and start RP. The fact he has 2 points and 2 rebounds....TOTAL..during this 3 game stretch is more than enough reason to change something. Anything.
Why can't we be a perennial tournament team like UNC
Quote from: We R Final Four on February 08, 2025, 04:06:48 PMBe sure to take advice about how to spend your time from a guy who spends his going back through game threads two days after the game.
Right?
Team is in a funk for sure, maybe a bit dinged up. Teams are roughing them up offensively and making the zebras call it (they aren't, is this due to their defensive style on the other end? I dunno, it's a theory Shaka lobbies for less, not more perhaps and that's the trade off) and a bench that's a bit light on soph development due to various circumstances.
I think there's some legitimacy to the fact that they were better than other teams earlier due to continuity, sure. But also the Big East is better than the non-conference suggested too. I'm worried but good god people need to get a grip. They had a one possession game at the end of the game in one of the best home court advantages in the country and a team on a scorching hot streak.
I really like what I'm seeing from Royce and am hoping Ben's struggles get sorted out and they have two offensive threats at center going into the BET.
Again, this team is 18-6, UConn lost 5/6 games in Big East play when they won the first of the two consecutive titles. Not saying Marquette will do that but perspective would be nice too.
Quote from: willie warrior on February 08, 2025, 06:09:15 PMOh yes. All part of relationships and development.
Shaka's kids still speak to him, he's got that one on you
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 05:27:14 PMBJW, all signs are that MU players, particularly upperclassmen who have been productive, are paid via NIL. There are no official numbers.
MU has not taken a DI transfer in this new NIL era. Shaka did take transfers to fill out the roster his first season. TKo, OMax, Kur, Morsels. But nothing the last three seasons, choosing to focus on relationships and growth.
Going forward, MU has a 4 player recruiting class, filling 14 out of 15 scholarships for next season. Based on Shaka's statements, he looks at transfer candidates. They have to buy into the culture, be a clear upgrade, and not be looking for a bag drop.
I doubt it'll happen anytime soon, but I think that Shaka will eventually nab someone who fits the description. Or if nothing else, he'll take a transfer just to shut everyone up.
The dude gets asked about being "anti-portal" hundreds of times each season. Surely he'll get sick of constantly correcting that terminology at some point.
What do you make of Ashworth's Steph Curry sleep gesture after his late 3?
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 03:20:27 PMLost a conference road game against a really good team.
Entertained by the return of Kam, Royce and Zaide, attacking the boards.
Looking forward to 6 of the next 7 games.
Which game are you not looking forward to?
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2025, 06:45:31 PMWhat do you make of Ashworth's Steph Curry sleep gesture after his late 3?
Who gives a crap?
Quote from: The Sultan on February 08, 2025, 03:19:26 PMSince neither one of you can manage your emotions when things go bad, maybe you should find something else to do with your time then. Why watch sports if it doesn't entertain you?
I enjoyed their comeback. Too bad they couldn't finish it. It happens.
Happens a lot, it seems.
Iowa State. Xavier. UConn. St. John's. Creighton.
Don't play yourself into double-digit deficits and you won't need enjoyable comebacks that fall short.
And if we're being honest, we're pretty fortunate DePaul isn't on that list above.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2025, 06:45:31 PMWhat do you make of Ashworth's Steph Curry sleep gesture after his late 3?
Racist
Gold got in some good cardio again, I see.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2025, 06:45:31 PMWhat do you make of Ashworth's Steph Curry sleep gesture after his late 3?
It was one of two things. 1) "I'm a senior citizen and it's past my bedtime. I need sleep." Or 2) I need to put my child to bed when I get home.
Quote from: Afroman on February 08, 2025, 07:45:53 PMGold got in some good cardio again, I see.
Gold has been and still is severely overrated by several on this board.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 05:27:14 PMBJW, all signs are that MU players, particularly upperclassmen who have been productive, are paid via NIL. There are no official numbers.
MU has not taken a DI transfer in this new NIL era. Shaka did take transfers to fill out the roster his first season. TKo, OMax, Kur, Morsels. But nothing the last three seasons, choosing to focus on relationships and growth.
Going forward, MU has a 4 player recruiting class, filling 14 out of 15 scholarships for next season. Based on Shaka's statements, he looks at transfer candidates. They have to buy into the culture, be a clear upgrade, and not be looking for a bag drop.
And maybe, just maybe,Shaka is the one dropping the bag when he fails to use this resource.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2025, 06:45:31 PMWhat do you make of Ashworth's Steph Curry sleep gesture after his late 3?
Meh. He made the shot to seal it. Don't our guys, like Jop, make celebratory motions after making shots?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 08, 2025, 06:29:55 PMTeam is in a funk for sure, maybe a bit dinged up. Teams are roughing them up offensively and making the zebras call it (they aren't, is this due to their defensive style on the other end? I dunno, it's a theory Shaka lobbies for less, not more perhaps and that's the trade off) and a bench that's a bit light on soph development due to various circumstances.
I think there's some legitimacy to the fact that they were better than other teams earlier due to continuity, sure. But also the Big East is better than the non-conference suggested too. I'm worried but good god people need to get a grip. They had a one possession game at the end of the game in one of the best home court advantages in the country and a team on a scorching hot streak.
I really like what I'm seeing from Royce and am hoping Ben's struggles get sorted out and they have two offensive threats at center going into the BET.
Again, this team is 18-6, UConn lost 5/6 games in Big East play when they won the first of the two consecutive titles. Not saying Marquette will do that but perspective would be nice too.
So you are saying we still have a chance?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 08, 2025, 05:01:28 PMFor sure. Big sample size for St John's.
The sample size isn't St. John's, it's Rick Pitino's Hall of Fame career. Which is among the largest and most successful sample sizes in the history of college basketball.
Quote from: TheBlackJerryWest on February 08, 2025, 08:38:43 PMThe sample size isn't St. John's, it's Rick Pitino's Hall of Fame career. Which is among the largest and most successful sample sizes in the history of college basketball.
Thanks Herm.
Quote from: Jables1604 on February 08, 2025, 03:15:58 PM10. Ben Gold has scored a grand total of 2 points over the last 4 games. I don't care how good his defense is. Cannot have that kind of offensive production from a starter.
He got one shot today. We don't move the ball all that much. Although we had a few nice possessions today where it moved via passes, that is far too infrequent these days. The dribble drive, back it out game is far from the beautiful brand of offense we played the last couple years. Kolek's ability to read defenses and make the right pass was rare, and we certainly miss that. I know I miss watching the read and react O that led to so many good looks.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on February 08, 2025, 03:20:35 PMSports do entertain me?
Losing doesn't entertain me
What a dumb comment.
100%
Quote from: 1SE on February 08, 2025, 03:21:49 PMNothing about Stevie?- I love the guy and everything he does - but him missing 7 wide open threes in a row killed us and allowed them to play 5 on 4 on D when he was in.
You can see he's overthinking "oh no, I'm open again, geez I'd better shoot, maybe it will go in" rather than "I can't believe they left me open, I'm gonna stuff this in the hoop"
I love Stevie. But he's gotta confidently shoot when he's open. He was very hesitant today and it showed.
Also, really concerned about Gold. He's been brutal for awhile. We need way more form him in both ends. He's has 2 rebounds and 2 points the past four games. Woof. 5-2 probably the ceiling from here on out, but would just let to see the boys clicking again. Been awhile.
In his post game presser, Shaka alluded to the fact that everybody is banged up.
Quote from: TheBlackJerryWest on February 08, 2025, 08:38:43 PMThe sample size isn't St. John's, it's Rick Pitino's Hall of Fame career. Which is among the largest and most successful sample sizes in the history of college basketball.
LOL
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 09:36:29 PMIn his post game presser, Shaka alluded to the fact that everybody is banged up.
What a crybaby.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on February 08, 2025, 09:39:43 PMWhat a crybaby.
Poor us. It's a shame every other team is 110% healthy.
Quote from: StillWarriors on February 08, 2025, 09:13:38 PMHe got one shot today. We don't move the ball all that much. Although we had a few nice possessions today where it moved via passes, that is far too infrequent these days. The dribble drive, back it out game is far from the beautiful brand of offense we played the last couple years. Kolek's ability to read defenses and make the right pass was rare, and we certainly miss that. I know I miss watching the read and react O that led to so many good looks.
We miss Oso more. Not saying Kam is at the same level as Tyler as a distributor but he's been excellent. We don't have anyone to replicate what Oso brought as a big that was an elite passer.
Not blaming anyone - that's a rare skillset to have to replace.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 08, 2025, 09:44:27 PMWe miss Oso more. Not saying Kam is at the same level as Tyler as a distributor but he's been excellent. We don't have anyone to replicate what Oso brought as a big that was an elite passer.
Not blaming anyone - that's a rare skillset to have to replace.
100% accurate. How nice would it be to have that 4-8 points off of Oso pocket passes?
Quote from: MUfan12 on February 08, 2025, 09:52:43 PM100% accurate. How nice would it be to have that 4-8 points off of Oso pocket passes?
Oso is fantastic. A Marquette great.
I also think that Marquette could replace 13 points and 7 rebounds very easily every year from the transfer portal if they really wanted. Shaka trusted Ben's development to fill the gap. At times it's been good, others very bad. Need more from the center position for sure.
For this offense to work, you need more than one guy who can create. Kam is great at the pass off of players who collapse but he doesn't read the floor like Kolek. He never will. PGs are born and not made. Gold can't create for others like Oso. Last year, MU had three guys who could create offense. This year they have one and some promising players on the bench. Chase is getting there. We'll see where things go, but Shaka has done yeoman's work.
We have 2 seniors and a junior with the ball in their hands besides Kam. It's not about them being master creators, it's about making the right decision and basketball play. It's about understanding where the help is coming, spacing, playing without hesitation, and moving the damn ball. Jop and Mitchell in particular hold the ball too long once help comes. Ball stopping destroys offensive flow, and these are experienced players that know better. And the thing is while we generally do a solid job taking care of the basketball, a forced shot or a bad shot is essentially a turnover. Seeing the floor and moving the rock is a big problem right now. And every guy on the floor is more than capable of making quicker and better decisions. We simply have to create better looks vs a set defense. There is no reason why we are struggling to this degree imo.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2025, 11:11:35 PMThere is no reason why we are struggling to this degree imo.
Untrue, or bad opinion.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 08, 2025, 11:17:58 PMUntrue, or bad opinion.
We were 15-53 today from the field excluding Kam. We took four total free throws. Our shooting percentages have been pretty abysmal for most of the BEast season. I think our shot selection could be dramatically better even without a 2nd bona fide creator.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2025, 11:39:29 PMWe were 15-53 today from the field excluding Kam. We took four total free throws. Our shooting percentages have been pretty abysmal for most of the BEast season. I think our shot selection could be dramatically better even without a 2nd bona fide creator.
So is there, or is there not a good reason why Marquette is struggling?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 08, 2025, 11:46:40 PMSo is there, or is there not a good reason why Marquette is struggling?
Not to the level we are struggling is what I'm saying. We have lost to three pretty good teams, that's part of it. We've made a number of perplexing mental errors which is upsetting for a team with our experience. Of course there are reasons but I don't think we are playing at the top levels we have shown.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2025, 11:11:35 PMWe have 2 seniors and a junior with the ball in their hands besides Kam. It's not about them being master creators, it's about making the right decision and basketball play. It's about understanding where the help is coming, spacing, playing without hesitation, and moving the damn ball. Jop and Mitchell in particular hold the ball too long once help comes. Ball stopping destroys offensive flow, and these are experienced players that know better. And the thing is while we generally do a solid job taking care of the basketball, a forced shot or a bad shot is essentially a turnover. Seeing the floor and moving the rock is a big problem right now. And every guy on the floor is more than capable of making quicker and better decisions. We simply have to create better looks vs a set defense. There is no reason why we are struggling to this degree imo.
"It's about making the right decision and basketball play." I couldn't agree more. That's called creating offense. So you go from a point forward in Oso to an offense afterthought in Gold. You go from maybe the best PG in MU history to Stevie, who isn't a PG. All of a sudden, you're down to Kam. You're asking Jop to make drive and create basketball decisions and not just catch and shoot. Yet the team is 18-6. Shaka can stay at MU as long as he wants as far as I'm concerned.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2025, 11:58:03 PMNot to the level we are struggling is what I'm saying. We have lost to three pretty good teams, that's part of it. We've made a number of perplexing mental errors which is upsetting for a team with our experience. Of course there are reasons but I don't think we are playing at the top levels we have shown.
Agreed. I personally think that's because shaka is pushing everyone to be both the best offensive and defensive player they can be in games. I think we've got 2 really good offensive players, and 3 switchables (as starters). Not everyone can be everything.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 09, 2025, 12:01:57 AM"It's about making the right decision and basketball play." I couldn't agree more. That's called creating offense. So you go from a point forward in Oso to an offense afterthought in Gold. You go from maybe the best PG in MU history to Stevie, who isn't a PG. All of a sudden, you're down to Kam. You're asking Jop to make drive and create basketball decisions and not just catch and shoot. Yet the team is 18-6. Shaka can stay at MU as long as he wants as far as I'm concerned.
I'm not saying we're as good as last year or can replace Tyler or Oso. We're not as good offensively, I said that very early in the season. But we're better defensively. My point is even with our deficiencies we should be better than what we're seeing from a shooting and offensive standpoint.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 09, 2025, 12:05:28 AMI'm not saying we're as good as last year or can replace Tyler or Oso. We're not as good offensively, I said that very early in the season. But we're better defensively. My point is even with our deficiencies we should be better than what we're seeing from a shooting and offensive standpoint.
Why should they be better offensively? Stevie has never been a big scorer. Neither has Gold. Chase has flashes. Jop struggles to put the ball on the floor. Fortunately, he's made great strides in the paint. Kam is running the show but is an inexperienced PG. It's frustrating to watch them on O but they are what they are. The juice needs to come from the bench and we're starting to see flashes.
I think folks feel MU should be challenging for national championships. Let's be honest, MU won one and it was 48 years ago. Shaka inherited a bottom half of the BE program. He's on the verge of his 4th straight winning season in conference and 4th straight NCAA bid. I think dissatisfied fans are unrealistic. Memories are short.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 09, 2025, 12:20:17 AMI think dissatisfied fans are unrealistic. Memories are short.
Dissatisfaction is relative. A month ago I thought MU was a title contender. Maybe they still are ...
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2025, 06:45:31 PMWhat do you make of Ashworth's Steph Curry sleep gesture after his late 3?
Elfin Magic
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on February 08, 2025, 04:59:37 PMI chat a lot of MU hoops with one of my old MU profs with whom I'm still friends (Iowa State grad) and one thing I said to him earlier in the season after the Maryland, Purdue, and Bucky wins was we had an advantage coming into the season with the continuity in the roster and not having to figure out individual roles and fit (e.g. St's John's and their backcourt). We had no freshmen starting or even getting significant minutes early on in the season so we hit the ground running. IMO, as the season has gone on that advantage has diminished significantly and we've regressed to the mean.
What continuity giveth in the nonCon it often taketh away in Conference. The good news is that we will again be a somewhat difficult scout in the NCAA. Our type of defense is not easy to prepare for.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on February 09, 2025, 12:34:15 AMThe good news is that we will again be a somewhat difficult scout in the NCAA. Our type of defense is not easy to prepare for.
Right, coaches are oblivious to teams that gamble for steals, possibly fouling in the process.
Quote from: tower912 on February 08, 2025, 05:01:12 PMY'all keep forgetting Kam is up for all American at PG.
No PG. Hysterical. 6 assists today.
Yeah and would have been 10 if stevie could have hit wide open 3s
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 09, 2025, 12:45:35 AMRight, coaches are oblivious to teams that gamble for steals, possibly fouling in the process.
Intensity is not just a Deane/Crean era MU dance team.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on February 08, 2025, 04:19:36 PMJust back from the game - contrary to some of the doom and gloom here, I came away encouraged by what I saw. It was a one possession game with 2 minutes left and then Creighton made their threes. Chase, Stevie and Ben were pretty much non factors and we were still within striking distance the whole game. Zaide, Royce and Demarius continue to get better and Kam and Jop got their mojo back. My only regret is that Kalkbrenner didn't get called for any of the many illegal screens he set.
For the most part, we played well on the road against a hot opponent.
I'm disappointed any time we lose ... but like you, I'm not discouraged after this game.
Quote from: wadesworld on February 08, 2025, 03:17:47 PMFirst half defense wasn't good enough. Kam figuring things out will help going forward. Second half was winning basketball, but once again tough to keep momentum when build yourself such a big hole you have to work so hard to get out of. Creighton hit the prayers they needed down the stretch. Ashworth telling everyone his old ass needs to go home, it's past his bed time. Or was it that he needs to put his child to sleep?
I don't know that Kam has anything figured out. He feasted on Ashworth, who is simply to small to guard him. He did hit some threes, though.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on February 09, 2025, 01:58:31 AMIntensity is not just a Deane/Crean era MU dance team.
Hah, clever. If we can dance our way into convincing wins the next few games, we'll rename the dance team "violence".
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 08, 2025, 03:40:44 PMMaybe our expectations were too great.
Team plays their heart out.
This is true. We were supposed to be a team that was around 15-20 and I think that is where we will settle in.
Quote from: K1 Lover on February 08, 2025, 04:46:03 PMI've been trying to understand how, over the course of the past three games (120 minutes of game time), our starting center has only scored 2 points.
I agree with Tower. He looks hurt to me. Had a wrap on his right leg I believe and was not moving well at all. No way he is fully healthy. If he has bad wheels that explains his disappearance these last few games.
Quote from: CTWarrior on February 09, 2025, 04:30:37 AMI don't know that Kam has anything figured out. He feasted on Ashworth, who is simply to small to guard him. He did hit some threes, though.
You could see them trying to hunt Ashworth the entire game. Problem is Kam is the only one who can score consistently off of it. Sean Jones is missed, poor Johnny Fuhrpy in the KU game last year.
Defensively, teams have stopped dribbling into the middle of the lane which invited all of the double teams and easy steals/ turnovers.
3rd hardest Big East schedule so far. 2 easiest the rest of the way.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 09, 2025, 12:23:58 AMDissatisfaction is relative. A month ago I thought MU was a title contender. Maybe they still are ...
No they are not. That is patently obvious.
Quote from: MuggsyB on February 08, 2025, 06:45:31 PMWhat do you make of Ashworth's Steph Curry sleep gesture after his late 3?
He wasn't wrong.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 09, 2025, 12:45:35 AMRight, coaches are oblivious to teams that gamble for steals, possibly fouling in the process.
Coaches love all the wide open dunks, layups and 3s that we give up when we don't get the steal though.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 09, 2025, 12:23:58 AMDissatisfaction is relative. A month ago I thought MU was a title contender. Maybe they still are ...
you thought MU was a national title contender? Right up there with Auburn, Duke, Tennessee, Florida, Houston and others? I always felt MU's top 10 ranking was a mirage. This 3-game stretch was the test. Im not sure if MU is even a Sweet 16 contender at this point. I'd say win a game in the dance might be top end. I can't remember the last time an experienced starter completely disappeared such as Gold has. But beyond the players, Shaka's coaching has been puzzling. Perimeter defense has been bad, especially vs UConn and again with this Creighton game. There's time to make adjustments, of course. Maybe replace Gold as a starter with Parnham? And a few bottom-feeder opponents couldn't come at a better time.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 09, 2025, 12:23:58 AMDissatisfaction is relative. A month ago I thought MU was a title contender. Maybe they still are ...
By "title contender", were you referring to a BE title or a natty? I'm guessing BE., but after Viper's reply, I would like to know.
Parham played more minutes than Gold yesterday, but he is still prone to dumb fouls which is going to limit his playing time.
The problem with their defense though isn't easily solved. They don't have a ton of length on the perimeter with Stevie and Kam, which makes contesting outside shots difficult. And the lack of rim protection leaves the lane wide open at times.
Quote from: The Sultan on February 09, 2025, 08:12:23 AMParham played more minutes than Gold yesterday, but he is still prone to dumb fouls which is going to limit his playing time.
The problem with their defense though isn't easily solved. They don't have a ton of length on the perimeter with Stevie and Kam, which makes contesting outside shots difficult. And the lack of rim protection leaves the lane wide open at times.
was hopeful Hamilton could offer a defensive presence in the paint. Noticed he didn't play yesterday. Healthy scratch or out w/injury?
Quote from: Viper on February 09, 2025, 08:20:59 AMwas hopeful Hamilton could offer a defensive presence in the paint. Noticed he didn't play yesterday. Healthy scratch or out w/injury?
I think he was just a healthy scratch. Parham was playing really well.
Caedin is even more foul prone than Royce though.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 09, 2025, 12:23:58 AMDissatisfaction is relative. A month ago I thought MU was a title contender. Maybe they still are ...
So you're dissatisfied with the team and Shaka because your expectations from early in the season might not have been realistic.
MU had two winning seasons in conference during the seven preceding Shaka's arrival. If I keep that in mind, it'll temper my dissatisfaction if MU isn't winning that NCAA title this year.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 09, 2025, 08:30:33 AMSo you're dissatisfied with the team and Shaka because your expectations from early in the season might not have been realistic.
MU had two winning seasons in conference during the seven preceding Shaka's arrival. If I keep that in mind, it'll temper my dissatisfaction if MU isn't winning that NCAA title this year.
COLE?
Quote from: Viper on February 09, 2025, 08:01:58 AMyou thought MU was a national title contender? Right up there with Auburn, Duke, Tennessee, Florida, Houston and others?
The top 10 team from earlier in the season that plays harassing defense, and regularly scores 80+? Absolutely! Sure it is a bit of a long shot, but a NC for Marquette always will be. If you pay any attention to basketball, you would notice all those teams you mentioned can lose too.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on February 09, 2025, 08:09:54 AMBy "title contender", were you referring to a BE title or a natty? I'm guessing BE., but after Viper's reply, I would like to know.
Really both, but answered.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 09, 2025, 08:30:33 AMSo you're dissatisfied with the team and Shaka because your expectations from early in the season might not have been realistic.
MU had two winning seasons in conference during the seven preceding Shaka's arrival. If I keep that in mind, it'll temper my dissatisfaction if MU isn't winning that NCAA title this year.
Gosh, I'll check with you on what my expectations should be before every season. Don't know why I didn't think of that earlier.
After the 9-1 start I thought this team had F4 potential for the reasons Rocky said. They were forcing turnovers but also managing to get stops when they didn't force one. That has all but gone away. The shooting struggles seem like a direct result of the extreme minutes load because the bench struggles up until the Hall game.
Until they stop guarding like sugared up 9 year olds I think we're going continue to be frustrated.
Quote from: GoFastAndWin on February 09, 2025, 01:58:31 AMIntensity is not just a Deane/Crean era MU dance team.
During Deane's era we called them "Immensity."
Creighton is a good offensive team. We obviously weren't great yesterday defensively but were better in the 2nd half. Our half-court offense is our biggest problem. It's stagnant and predictable. Lots of dribble hand-offs, too much weave and heave. When we don't create offensive from forcing turns we struggle to score and our shooting percentages aren't good. We have to find a way to be more efficient, get more players involved, and get to the FT line more.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on February 08, 2025, 05:30:49 PMHe's one of the best PGs in the country.
Stop it, you don't know ball
Quote from: Newsdreams on February 09, 2025, 12:41:52 PMStop it, you don't know ball
Agreed. Pretty ridiculous to call a top 10 finalist, one of the best...wait until the list is trimmed to 5 at least.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 09, 2025, 08:50:55 AMThe top 10 team from earlier in the season that plays harassing defense, and regularly scores 80+? Absolutely! Sure it is a bit of a long shot, but a NC for Marquette always will be. If you pay any attention to basketball, you would notice all those teams you mentioned can lose too.
Really both, but answered.
Gosh, I'll check with you on what my expectations should be before every season. Don't know why I didn't think of that earlier.
Expect all you want before the season. Ignore the fact that MU wasn't considered a favorite to win the BE in the preseason polls. I'm just not understanding your dissatisfaction with the team and Shaka because they didn't meet expectations based on your incorrect assessment.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on February 09, 2025, 02:29:21 PMI'm just not understanding your dissatisfaction with the team and Shaka because they didn't meet expectations
That's unfortunate. Glad you're 100% satisfied based on your random expectations.