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Title: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: tower912 on January 28, 2025, 09:42:34 PM
I have a mile walk back to the car.  Deal with it.
1. Matta would not let Screen face Ben. First time they were on the floor at the same time was the 1130 mark of the second half.  Exactly two minutes game play.  Then again at the end.
2. In the first half, Butler fans around us were in awe, as their team 'never shoots like that.'
3. The defense was much improved for a while in the second half.
4. Kam's 4th was a kick in the nards.  Right call.
5.  How about those sophomores?
6. Stevie continues to climb the list of my favorite all time players. 
7.  I trust Shaka's halftime adjustments.
8. MU won.  Hinkle is awesome.  Only about 3/4 full.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2025, 09:43:35 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2025, 09:42:34 PMI have a mile walk back to the car.  Deal with it.
1. Matta would not let Screen face Ben. First time they were on the floor at the same time was the 1130 mark of the second half.  Exactly two minutes game play.  Then again at the end.
2. In the first half, Butler fans around us were in awe, as their team 'never shoots like that.'
3. The defense was much improved for a while in the second half.
4. Kam's 4th was a kick in the nards.  Right call.
5.  How about those sophomores?
6. Stevie continues to climb the list of my favorite all time players. 
7.  I trust Shaka's halftime adjustments.
8. MU won.  Hinkle is awesome.  Only about 3/4 full.

Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2025, 09:42:34 PMI have a mile walk back to the car.  Deal with it.
1. Matta would not let Screen face Ben. First time they were on the floor at the same time was the 1130 mark of the second half.  Exactly two minutes game play.  Then again at the end.
2. In the first half, Butler fans around us were in awe, as their team 'never shoots like that.'
3. The defense was much improved for a while in the second half.
4. Kam's 4th was a kick in the nards.  Right call.
5.  How about those sophomores?
6. Stevie continues to climb the list of my favorite all time players. 
7.  I trust Shaka's halftime adjustments.
8. MU won.  Hinkle is awesome.  Only about 3/4 full.


Winner for the sinners and beat KenPom prediction.  Not bad for a clueless team
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: 🏀 on January 28, 2025, 09:44:24 PM
Is MU better with Kam on the bench?

People are asking questions, doing their own research.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: wadesworld on January 28, 2025, 09:45:37 PM
Interesting it wasn't full. Sounded loud.

Feels like we're almost overactive defensively to start games/first halves. Overhelp, get into rotation, give up open 3s and cutters for layups.

Great second half. Great contributions from the bench/sophomores. If those guys continue to play like that we have something.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: CountryRoads on January 28, 2025, 09:45:39 PM
Thought it was a great game all around. Sophomores were awesome. Second half epitomized what this program is about. Should be an electric game Saturday night.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: The Sultan on January 28, 2025, 09:45:42 PM
I'm sure the game topic was full of rational basketball thoughts.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2025, 09:46:35 PM
Quote from: The Sultan on January 28, 2025, 09:45:42 PMI'm sure the game topic was full of rational basketball thoughts.

Overwhelmingly
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2025, 09:47:52 PM
Meant to put this here:

Butler scored 27 points in the second half.  It was 51-50 when Kam picked up his 4th.  27-19 after that.  Marquette equaled Butler's second half total in closing it out.

Have a smoke
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 28, 2025, 09:49:33 PM
Really thrilled with the way Tre and Zaide played.

Wouldn't be surprised if Zaide makes a huge leap next season.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: MarquetteDano on January 28, 2025, 09:49:54 PM
Really liked how well bench played defense when Kam was out. Rebounded well and good D. Some decent offense from them too.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 28, 2025, 09:50:42 PM
Also, can't til Saturday - will be the first game of the season for me.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: fjm on January 28, 2025, 09:50:49 PM
Great play overall. Stevie looked great.

Chase is so aggressive, which is awesome, but missed some fairly easy shots at the rim tonight.

Loves the effort in the second half.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: MuggsyB on January 28, 2025, 09:54:58 PM
The adjustment Shaka made in the 2H was attacking the paint.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: GB Warrior on January 28, 2025, 09:55:14 PM
Stevie is elite, but it's a bit sad we don't get one more season to appreciate how far Jop has come defensively. 
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: MuggsyB on January 28, 2025, 09:56:12 PM
We played a much more intelligent 2H. 
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: DoctorV on January 28, 2025, 09:57:35 PM
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 28, 2025, 09:55:14 PMStevie is elite, but it's a bit sad we don't get one more season to appreciate how far Jop has come defensively.

Jop and Benny have been very very good defensively on the interior of late.

Problem is, the bigger boys are coming.
We will see how they do against the interior size in the next 3
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: MuggsyB on January 28, 2025, 10:00:13 PM
Quote from: DoctorV on January 28, 2025, 09:57:35 PMJop and Benny have been very very good defensively on the interior of late.

Problem is, the bigger boys are coming.
We will see how they do against the interior size in the next 3

How do we get out of the gates more quickly Dr.  V? 
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: DoctorV on January 28, 2025, 10:01:32 PM
Quote from: MuggsyB on January 28, 2025, 10:00:13 PMHow do we get out of the gates more quickly Dr.  V? 

Great question Muggsy

I have to think about it.

I've got a question for you-
How does Shaka always seem to fire up a nice 2H run?
It's as if they go down at half but you just know it's coming
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: wisblue on January 28, 2025, 10:02:07 PM
Good to see that the team was able to add to the lead with Kam on the bench for several minutes.

But I wouldn't want to make a habit of that along with the habit of falling behind by double digits in the first half. That isn't going to cut it in the second half of the conference schedule
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 28, 2025, 10:04:31 PM
Ben had 0 points, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, but to me it felt like he had great impact defensively as a rim presence. He altered at least a handful of shots that I can recall and then cleaned the boards after the misses.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 28, 2025, 10:06:33 PM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 28, 2025, 10:04:31 PMBen had 0 points, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, but to me it felt like he had great impact defensively as a rim presence. He altered at least a handful of shots that I can recall and then cleaned the boards after the misses.

I think they missed at least 2-3 blocks for Ben.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: MUEng92 on January 28, 2025, 10:09:22 PM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 28, 2025, 10:04:31 PMBen had 0 points, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, but to me it felt like he had great impact defensively as a rim presence. He altered at least a handful of shots that I can recall and then cleaned the boards after the misses.
If that's true, it the most impressive 0 stat game I've ever seen.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Big Papi on January 28, 2025, 10:09:50 PM
1. Stevie is my mvp of this team. Great defensively. Has become aggressive offensively and is scoring. He is the heart and sole of this team. He is a winner deserves to be first team all conference
2. Gold defensively was very good
3. Glad to see Zaide and Tre have success. It is needed going forward
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 28, 2025, 10:13:49 PM
Loved the heart in the 2h. Team got the chip on their shoulder that I've felt has been missing this year.

Great minutes for the sophs. Love what Zaide and Tre gave out there. Getting them in a little 1 on 1 situations boosted both their confidence and it showed in how much they attacked on both ends.

Even the limited 2h Kam had a bit more bounce (quick trigger transition 3, great drive, using the hoop to screen more).

Extra milkshakes for Stevie though. Or days in the ice bath given how that one went. True warrior.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: CountryRoads on January 28, 2025, 10:15:37 PM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 28, 2025, 10:04:31 PMBen had 0 points, 0 assists, 0 steals, 0 blocks, but to me it felt like he had great impact defensively as a rim presence. He altered at least a handful of shots that I can recall and then cleaned the boards after the misses.

He did good. Weird matchup for him tonight.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 28, 2025, 10:17:15 PM
Quote from: wisblue on January 28, 2025, 10:02:07 PMGood to see that the team was able to add to the lead with Kam on the bench for several minutes.

But I wouldn't want to make a habit of that along with the habit of falling behind by double digits in the first half. That isn't going to cut it in the second half of the conference schedule

I wouldn't call Kam's bench time "several minutes," ;D   but agree with the rest of your post. In the next 3 games, digging out of a hole will be much ore difficult.

I'm especially enjoying this win because the guys built a 2nd half lead without Kam on the floor.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: 1318WWells on January 28, 2025, 10:19:50 PM
Quote from: MUEng92 on January 28, 2025, 10:09:22 PMIf that's true, it the most impressive 0 stat game I've ever seen.

He did have 7 boards
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: FairWeatherEagle on January 28, 2025, 10:20:41 PM
Are we a team that plays to the level of the opponent? Scores seem like it but I wonder if it's just our team figuring it out. Butler definitely a different team between halves.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Newsdreams on January 28, 2025, 10:20:42 PM
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 28, 2025, 09:43:35 PMWinner for the sinners and beat KenPom prediction.  Not bad for a clueless team
I sinned and won, not afraid say it.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: wadesworld on January 28, 2025, 10:23:48 PM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 28, 2025, 10:17:15 PMI wouldn't call Kam's bench time "several minutes,"

What would you call it then? He was out for 10 straight minutes. After having been out a bit after his 2nd and 3rd fouls, too.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: jesmu84 on January 28, 2025, 10:24:14 PM
Telfort gets a very friendly whistle.

Related, do refs ever call violations for >10s at the FT line?

Telfort takes a LONG time to shoot. MU fans were counting out loud. At least one time they got to 15
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: wadesworld on January 28, 2025, 10:25:36 PM
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 28, 2025, 10:20:41 PMAre we a team that plays to the level of the opponent? Scores seem like it but I wonder if it's just our team figuring it out. Butler definitely a different team between halves.

Unless it's DePaul or Seton Hall, it's probably best to not expect start to end dominant performances really from anyone in this league. Will they happen on occasion? Yeah. But Big East games are a bear. Especially when you've been at the top of the standings and rankings all year and are everyone's best chance at a needle moving win.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Jockey on January 28, 2025, 10:26:30 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2025, 09:42:34 PM6. Stevie continues to climb the list of my favorite all time players. 



I posted a couple weeks ago that Stevie has replaced Earl Tatum as my fave Warriors ever.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 28, 2025, 10:27:34 PM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 28, 2025, 10:23:48 PMWhat would you call it then? He was out for 10 straight minutes. After having been out a bit after his 2nd and 3rd fouls, too.

Several, to me, means about 3 or so. If you want to call 10 minutes several and that makes you happy, good for you.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: MuggsyB on January 28, 2025, 10:34:37 PM
Quote from: DoctorV on January 28, 2025, 10:01:32 PMGreat question Muggsy

I have to think about it.

I've got a question for you-
How does Shaka always seem to fire up a nice 2H run?
It's as if they go down at half but you just know it's coming

I think we have the ability to wear certain teams down. 

MU has yet to play their A game minus the bludgeoning of Providence in the 1H. 
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 28, 2025, 10:39:30 PM
Butler gave UConn and Creighton all they could handle this month. They were also up at the half at St. John's.

There was a reason I was a bit worried about this one.

Glad to get the win and a lot of positives to take away from the 2nd half.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: GB Warrior on January 28, 2025, 10:43:38 PM
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on January 28, 2025, 10:39:30 PMButler gave UConn and Creighton all they could handle this month. They were also up at the half at St. John's.

There was a reason I was a bit worried about this one.

Glad to get the win and a lot of positives to take away from the 2nd half.

Related: I love Zaide's game and look forward to his upperclassmen years.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: mileskishnish72 on January 28, 2025, 11:07:21 PM
Was interesting to see Hinkle - nice floor and lighting, somewhat intimate feeling, open spaces lacking and underjohned.

Good MU presence in the crowd.

Everyone, BU fans included, seemed to know they wouldn't shoot like that all night.

Picked up the D in the second half and kudos to Tre and Zaire - they're starting to play like they're not frosh any more.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: tower912 on January 28, 2025, 11:10:54 PM
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 28, 2025, 11:07:21 PMWas interesting to see Hinkle - nice floor and lighting, somewhat intimate feeling, open spaces lacking and underjohned.

Good MU presence in the crowd.

Everyone, BU fans included, seemed to know they wouldn't shoot like that all night.

Picked up the D in the second half and kudos to Tre and Zaire - they're starting to play like they're not frosh any more.
section 207.  Got there early and really wandered around soaking it in.   A shrine and a dump.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 28, 2025, 11:35:06 PM
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 28, 2025, 11:07:21 PMWas interesting to see Hinkle - nice floor and lighting, somewhat intimate feeling, open spaces lacking and underjohned.

I think their court looks terrible.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: MarquetteMike1977 on January 28, 2025, 11:38:38 PM
If it was not said yet Marquette covered
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: CountryRoads on January 28, 2025, 11:46:24 PM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 28, 2025, 11:35:06 PMI think their court looks terrible.

I hated hinkle when I went. MU lost though so I'm sure I would have liked it a lot better had they won.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2025, 05:19:52 AM
Hinkle takes cash at their concession stands.  Which they have a barely adequate number of.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: MUDPT on January 29, 2025, 05:58:11 AM
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2025, 11:10:54 PMsection 207.  Got there early and really wandered around soaking it in.   A shrine and a dump.

This. Also wouldn't have near the history without "Hoosiers" or the 1954 Milan championship. Cool venue, probably not near D1 standards.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 29, 2025, 06:17:06 AM
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2025, 09:42:34 PM6. Stevie continues to climb the list of my favorite all time players. 

I think he's already there for me. What a great player and kid. He's come so far from being "just" a pesky defender. He consistently contributes and has developed a really nice all-around game. A few minutes of game time after Kam sat down last night, my son texted me, "Stevie has matured so much as a player." Yes, he has. Love that kid.

Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2025, 09:42:34 PM8. Hinkle is awesome.

Yes, it is. Love that place.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 29, 2025, 06:32:48 AM
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 28, 2025, 09:55:14 PMStevie is elite, but it's a bit sad we don't get one more season to appreciate how far Jop has come defensively.
Quote from: Big Papi on January 28, 2025, 10:09:50 PM1. Stevie is my mvp of this team. Great defensively. Has become aggressive offensively and is scoring. He is the heart and sole of this team. He is a winner deserves to be first team all conference

I'd love it if Stevie got First Team BEast, but I doubt it will happen. I'm going to be pissed if he doesn't get some serious accolades -- Second Team (at least) and I really think he should get DPOY. It also certainly wouldn't shock me if he brought home the second consecutive Scholar-Athlete award for Marquette (but in addition to the other awards that he deserves). And just maybe, if Kam gets POY, they'll squeeze Stevie onto First Team since Kam won't be on it.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 29, 2025, 06:44:40 AM
Quote from: wadesworld on January 28, 2025, 10:23:48 PMWhat would you call it then? He was out for 10 straight minutes. After having been out a bit after his 2nd and 3rd fouls, too.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 28, 2025, 10:27:34 PMSeveral, to me, means about 3 or so.

That's what I thought you were getting at...when I saw "several" in the initial post my immediate thought was, "that was a hell of a lot longer than 'several' minutes." He was out 10:07...in CBB that's a full quarter.

I'm hoping that Kam's stint on the bench last night will prove to be one of the most important 10 minutes of the season. The team stepped up and really responded. Hopefully a bunch of guys will gain confidence from that going forward and the team will play a bit better when Kam is on the bench. Also, hopefully they'll never have to play 10 minutes with Kam on the bench again.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: StillAWarrior on January 29, 2025, 06:48:56 AM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 28, 2025, 11:35:06 PMI think their court looks terrible.

I don't know if it is a problem when it's colder (i.e., basketball season), but their court was always wet during volleyball season. Every time we went there they had huge fans blowing on the ends of the court and a bunch of condensation in those areas. Fortunately, it was pretty much limited to the ends of the court near where the baskets would be, so it didn't affect volleyball. I saw one time last night where it looked like someone slipped, but I've never noticed it being an issue during MBB.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 29, 2025, 07:01:37 AM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 28, 2025, 10:17:15 PMI wouldn't call Kam's bench time "several minutes," ;D   but agree with the rest of your post. In the next 3 games, digging out of a hole will be much ore difficult.

I'm especially enjoying this win because the guys built a 2nd half lead without Kam on the floor.


Fortunately, Shaka's halftime adjustments are dynamite.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 29, 2025, 07:04:16 AM
Quote from: Big Papi on January 28, 2025, 10:09:50 PM1. Stevie is my mvp of this team. Great defensively. Has become aggressive offensively and is scoring. He is the heart and sole of this team. He is a winner deserves to be first team all conference
2. Gold defensively was very good
3. Glad to see Zaide and Tre have success. It is needed going forward


Heart and soul.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: DoctorV on January 29, 2025, 07:13:22 AM
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 29, 2025, 07:04:16 AMHeart and soul.

"Im a sole man, a foot king!"
Kings of Tupelo Netflix
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Newsdreams on January 29, 2025, 07:36:57 AM
Quote from: tower912 on January 29, 2025, 05:19:52 AMHinkle takes cash at their concession stands.  Which they have a barely adequate number of.
I bet they have hot dogs
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2025, 07:47:11 AM
He might mean shoe bottom or fish.  You don't know.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: rgoode57 on January 29, 2025, 08:15:49 AM
Tre and Zaide did a great job when Kam was on the bench, and the whole team really stepped up during that time. Really, really good to see.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Vander Blue Man Group on January 29, 2025, 08:44:13 AM
Has anyone come across Shaka's postgame press conference?  I can't find it on YouTube. 
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Billy Hoyle on January 29, 2025, 08:59:25 AM
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2025, 09:42:34 PMI have a mile walk back to the car.  Deal with it.
1. Matta would not let Screen face Ben. First time they were on the floor at the same time was the 1130 mark of the second half.  Exactly two minutes game play.  Then again at the end.
2. In the first half, Butler fans around us were in awe, as their team 'never shoots like that.'
3. The defense was much improved for a while in the second half.
4. Kam's 4th was a kick in the nards.  Right call.
5.  How about those sophomores?
6. Stevie continues to climb the list of my favorite all time players. 
7.  I trust Shaka's halftime adjustments.
8. MU won.  Hinkle is awesome.  Only about 3/4 full.


That's a normal Hinkle crowd for a weeknight game. It's not the most convenient campus to get to and the 8:30 start hurt. It would be nice to get the MU game on a weekend, it would be packed to the rafters. First time there?

Butler starting Moore was for defensive purposes (upper body strength) and he definitely frustrated Kam. The second foul was out of frustration pushing off like that. Kapke started the previous few games for Butler and didn't even play last night. I don't know if he was injured. He has the ability to spread the floor and hit threes.

1/12 from three in the second half for Butler. 8/31 overall. And the three Bizjak hit was when the game was pretty much out of reach.

I thought the play of the game was at the end of the first half with Butler up 9. King got to the rim and Stevie got the block and score on the other end to cut it to 7. It seemed to stop Butler's momentum and set the tone for the second half.

We had one idiot Butler student in front of us who kept yelling down at the MU section derogatory things about Milwaukee. Others were telling him to chill out and he left at the 4 minute TO.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: jesmu84 on January 29, 2025, 09:05:13 AM
I think that was my 7th time to Hinkle for this matchup.

5th weekday.

That was the smallest crowd I've seen. I think the Matta luster/support bump has worn off and the results haven't been good enough to drive attendance.

Hinkle is fine for that size school. They've done well with it. When the place is full, it's LOUD cause there's a lot of students almost on the court.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Jay Bee on January 29, 2025, 09:20:30 AM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 28, 2025, 10:27:34 PMSeveral, to me, means about 3 or so. If you want to call 10 minutes several and that makes you happy, good for you.

Several to many means more than too, but less than many.

For me (truth seeker), two is a couple, three is a few and four to seven is several.

Therefore, I disagree somewhat with all involved!!!

I will go with "Kam was on the bench for a LONG AS$ time".
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 29, 2025, 09:43:05 AM
I'm so pumped about Tre from last night.

We've seen flashes from Parham, Owens, and Lowery, but Tre really controlled parts of that game last night. Anytime we can add confidence to any player (particularly off the bench) I take that as a major win. Hopefully they can build off that confidence.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 29, 2025, 10:04:20 AM
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 29, 2025, 09:43:05 AMI'm so pumped about Tre from last night.

We've seen flashes from Parham, Owens, and Lowery, but Tre really controlled parts of that game last night. Anytime we can add confidence to any player (particularly off the bench) I take that as a major win. Hopefully they can build off that confidence.

Same. I've been a lot more bullish than most on him. Seeing the switch flip to aggressive was nice.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: lurch91 on January 29, 2025, 10:05:36 AM
Quote from: MUDPT on January 29, 2025, 05:58:11 AMThis. Also wouldn't have near the history without "Hoosiers" or the 1954 Milan championship. Cool venue, probably not near D1 standards.

The problem lies in, how would they replace it?  Too expensive to build a state of the art new facility, especially near campus (no room, unless Butler buys up part of the surrounding neighborhood).  They could knock it down and rebuild on the same spot, but they would have to bus the students to Pacers home court downtown for a season or two, and need to raise the hundreds of millions needed to build the new facility.

Hinkle is quaint and intimate setting for a college basketball game, a glorified high school gym.  It's about 100 years old, and feels like it, even after updates and renovations.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 29, 2025, 10:06:53 AM
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 29, 2025, 07:01:37 AMFortunately, Shaka's halftime adjustments are dynamite.

;D Nice!
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: The Sultan on January 29, 2025, 10:08:11 AM
I get why people like to visit Hinkle for the historic aspect of it all. But it would annoy me if that were my team's home arena.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 29, 2025, 10:10:59 AM
Quote from: tower912 on January 28, 2025, 11:10:54 PMsection 207.  Got there early and really wandered around soaking it in.   A shrine and a dump.

The expression is out of date, but that used to be referred to as "shabby chic".
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: wiscwarrior on January 29, 2025, 10:16:10 AM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 29, 2025, 10:10:59 AMThe expression is out of date, but that used to be referred to as "shabby chic".

Ever attend a game at the old UW field house?
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: The Sultan on January 29, 2025, 10:30:32 AM
Quote from: wiscwarrior on January 29, 2025, 10:16:10 AMEver attend a game at the old UW field house?


Hinkle is way better than the Fieldhouse was. That place was an absolute dump, but they've done a nice job making it a home for volleyball.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: MUfan12 on January 29, 2025, 10:31:23 AM
Maybe I'm a sucker for an old gym, but I loved my visit there. Outside of putting actual seats in the 200/300 sections, I think the seating bowl was perfectly fine.

The main problems are the concourses, which you can't do a ton about, and that it's the hub of the athletic department, so that takes up a bunch more space that might serve other purposes.

Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: wiscwarrior on January 29, 2025, 10:41:18 AM
Quote from: The Sultan on January 29, 2025, 10:30:32 AMHinkle is way better than the Fieldhouse was. That place was an absolute dump, but they've done a nice job making it a home for volleyball.

Saw Ali (Cassius Clay) box there once in Pan Am trials. I'm old.  ;)
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 29, 2025, 10:54:09 AM
Quote from: wiscwarrior on January 29, 2025, 10:16:10 AMEver attend a game at the old UW field house?

I did. Wow!
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: MU82 on January 29, 2025, 01:24:43 PM
Quote from: wisblue on January 28, 2025, 10:02:07 PMGood to see that the team was able to add to the lead with Kam on the bench for several minutes.

But I wouldn't want to make a habit of that along with the habit of falling behind by double digits in the first half. That isn't going to cut it in the second half of the conference schedule

Before last night, Kam hadn't had 4 fouls in a game since 11/15 vs Maryland and only had as many as 3 in a game three times.

So yes, I wouldn't want it to be a habit ... but it hasn't been anything close to a habit for well over 2 months.

Kam has played a TON of minutes, and thank goodness for that!!
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: GoldenEagles03 on January 29, 2025, 01:32:51 PM
Quote from: MU82 on January 29, 2025, 01:24:43 PMBefore last night, Kam hadn't had 4 fouls in a game since 11/15 vs Maryland and only had as many as 3 in a game three times.

So yes, I wouldn't want it to be a habit ... but it hasn't been anything close to a habit for well over 2 months.

Kam has played a TON of minutes, and thank goodness for that!!

There was a point midway through the 1st half where all the starters had had time on the bench except for Kam. I was gonna mention that now might be the portion of the season where Shaka just starts to play Kam close to 40 a night...soon after I had that thought, Kam picked up his second foul. In the end, I love how yesterday played out.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: BM1090 on January 29, 2025, 01:35:10 PM
Quote from: wisblue on January 28, 2025, 10:02:07 PMGood to see that the team was able to add to the lead with Kam on the bench for several minutes.

But I wouldn't want to make a habit of that along with the habit of falling behind by double digits in the first half. That isn't going to cut it in the second half of the conference schedule

Not saying first half play hasn't been an issue, but we've been leading at halftime in 5 of our 10 conference games.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: PJDunn on January 29, 2025, 01:43:58 PM
Better than leading in 5/10 at the end of the game. Just win baby.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: loid walden on January 29, 2025, 02:44:57 PM
Tower, where did you park?.. We idled for 45 minutes in Sunset Garage, awful! ... need a new place to park. Thanks
BTW  I did see the ref counting Teleport's free throw time
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2025, 03:00:40 PM
We were at the Upland bar at the MU alumni event prior to the game.  49th and College.  We walked to and from the game from there rather than bother with the shuttle. 
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on January 29, 2025, 03:01:44 PM
Quote from: loid walden on January 29, 2025, 02:44:57 PMTower, where did you park?.. We idled for 45 minutes in Sunset Garage, awful! ... need a new place to park. Thanks
BTW  I did see the ref counting Teleport's free throw time
I thought he was taking an extraordinary amount of time so I counted too towards the end of the game.  I made it to 10 once and was about to say 11 when he let the next one go.  It felt like an eternity. 

There were also two instances where Butler let about 8-10 seconds of game time elapse prior to inbounding the ball.  One was end of 1st half where we had shot with about 38 or 39 seconds left in the half...they putzed around and didn't inbound the ball until right around the :30 mark, costing us a 2 for 1 opportunity.  Guessing that was intentional (and smart) but haven't gone back to rewatch it. 
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: JakeBarnes on January 29, 2025, 03:03:39 PM
Quote from: loid walden on January 29, 2025, 02:44:57 PMTower, where did you park?.. We idled for 45 minutes in Sunset Garage, awful! ... need a new place to park. Thanks
BTW  I did see the ref counting Teleport's free throw time

To avoid parking issues, I strongly recommend the route my wife and I took 2 years ago on a balmy February dad: (i) hang out it St Elmo's upstairs lounge until you can't function the night before; (ii) early afternoon, start walking toward the stadium from downtown Indy; (iii) stop for a quick lunch to try and get something into your system; (iv) continue the journey north, stopping along the way at various spots for either hydration or a beverage; (v) arrive at on-campus bar at Butler and meet up with MU82. Helps with the hangover, builds character, and makes you feel sort of productive.

Then just uber from the game after a beer at the campus bar post-game.

Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2025, 03:04:26 PM
It was clearly intentional and the refs started a count.  Chase scored with 37 seconds left (off a creative inbound play, btw) and Butler inbounded with 29 seconds left.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 29, 2025, 03:05:22 PM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 29, 2025, 03:01:44 PMI thought he was taking an extraordinary amount of time so I counted too towards the end of the game.  I made it to 10 once and was about to say 11 when he let the next one go.  It felt like an eternity. 

There were also two instances where Butler let about 8-10 seconds of game time elapse prior to inbounding the ball.  One was end of 1st half where we had shot with about 38 or 39 seconds left in the half...they putzed around and didn't inbound the ball until right around the :30 mark, costing us a 2 for 1 opportunity.  Guessing that was intentional (and smart) but haven't gone back to rewatch it. 

There was one point in the first half where the ref's let a Butler player re-tie their shoe but didnt stop the clock.  It was about 7-8 mins left in the half? Was easily 10-15 secs of game clock.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: MUDPT on January 29, 2025, 03:07:15 PM
If you don't mind walking a bit, south of 46th street was not zoned, 2 years ago. Just have to remember where you parked, houses and streets all look the same.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: tower912 on January 29, 2025, 03:10:07 PM
Also, one of the plays where it looked like Butler was standing still on defense...

A variation of last year when TKo would pass the ball to Oso, go through and engage his own defender, bumping his defender into Oso's defender, leading to an Oso slash to the rim and dunk through the alley TKo created.

Kam dribble to the foul line and dumped back to Stevie above the 3 pt line.  Kam continues, he and his defender have two hands on each other, and Kam used his defender holding him to seal Stevie's defender.  Straight line drive while the strong side wing defender stayed home on a 3 pt shooter, providing no help.
Title: Re: Butler quick and dirty
Post by: MU82 on January 29, 2025, 08:41:11 PM
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 29, 2025, 03:03:39 PMTo avoid parking issues, I strongly recommend the route my wife and I took 2 years ago on a balmy February dad: (i) hang out it St Elmo's upstairs lounge until you can't function the night before; (ii) early afternoon, start walking toward the stadium from downtown Indy; (iii) stop for a quick lunch to try and get something into your system; (iv) continue the journey north, stopping along the way at various spots for either hydration or a beverage; (v) arrive at on-campus bar at Butler and meet up with MU82. Helps with the hangover, builds character, and makes you feel sort of productive.

Then just uber from the game after a beer at the campus bar post-game.



Yep - if you arrive early enough, there's a good amount of parking on the side streets within a 5-ish-minute walk to the bar (Chatham Tap) and the arena.

The last two years, we've stayed at an Airbnb about a mile away and walked to Chatham/Hinkle. Easy peasy!
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