https://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/china-releases-a-cheap-open-rival-to-chatgpt-thrilling-some-scientists-and-panicking-silicon-valley
Seems like a big deal
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 26, 2025, 09:24:46 AMhttps://www.livescience.com/technology/artificial-intelligence/china-releases-a-cheap-open-rival-to-chatgpt-thrilling-some-scientists-and-panicking-silicon-valley
Seems like a big deal
Excellent.
https://x.com/TaranQ/status/1882791247758434329?t=133DEIodV7-p4-KUnFqBpg&s=19
Explanation
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 26, 2025, 09:33:16 AMhttps://x.com/TaranQ/status/1882791247758434329?t=133DEIodV7-p4-KUnFqBpg&s=19
Explanation
Excellent
Should be in the Doom thread.
Amazing concept that innovation can come from appropriate resource optimization (both capital, compute). But we should seed Altman a couple more billion.
Quote from: MU82 on January 26, 2025, 12:08:22 PMShould be in the Doom thread.
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I always ask myself, why does AI want to destroy humanity? Shouldn't humanity ask itself that question?
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Eddie Furlong was a great young actor. Once upon a time.
Just incredibly funny, but also given how much of our market growth has been tied up in AI probably not super great for the ole portfolios
Ruh oh.
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/27/deepseek-nvidia-stocks-magnificent-7
Truly, I've always wondered how the AI companies, Google, Meta, OpenAI, etc .. how they spend multiple billions on "AI" research. Meta is gonna spend $65b on AI this year.
I mean .. there's hardware and programmers. It's not like you need to convert diamonds into firetrucks. You hire a bunch of code slingers and they code. Yeah, yeah, you need beefy hardware.
But .. 65 billion? Maybe someone can explain.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 27, 2025, 07:49:11 AMRuh oh.
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/27/deepseek-nvidia-stocks-magnificent-7
Truly, I've always wondered how the AI companies, Google, Meta, OpenAI, etc .. how they spend multiple billions on "AI" research. Meta is gonna spend $65b on AI this year.
I mean .. there's hardware and programmers. It's not like you need to convert diamonds into firetrucks. You hire a bunch of code slingers and they code. Yeah, yeah, you need beefy hardware.
But .. 65 billion? Maybe someone can explain.
Seems silicon valley folks have been focusing on creating monopolies and eliminating competition more than development while also trying to gobble up as much money - privately and publicly - as possible.
Money grab > r&d
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 27, 2025, 09:36:02 AMSeems silicon valley folks have been focusing on creating monopolies and eliminating competition more than development while also trying to gobble up as much money - privately and publicly - as possible.
Money grab > r&d
R&D in the US a lot of times is just M&A now anyway
Weird.
https://x.com/KyleJGlen/status/1883968411556069853
Not surprising.
The real purpose of AI is to control the flow of information. It's the reason that data is the #1 most valuable commodity in the world.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 27, 2025, 03:29:20 PMWeird.
https://x.com/KyleJGlen/status/1883968411556069853
Not weird.
No surprise the Chinese controlled software would have internal censors.
That doesn't take away from the rest of the story
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 27, 2025, 04:46:22 PMNot weird.
No surprise the Chinese controlled software would have internal censors.
That doesn't take away from the rest of the story
Yeah I assume they don't want to be arrested for their product
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 27, 2025, 04:46:22 PMNot weird.
No surprise the Chinese controlled software would have internal censors.
That doesn't take away from the rest of the story
The only real interesting part fo the story is how less resource intensive this product is, imo.
We are experiencing great leaps forward in this technology right now, it's getting both better and cheaper. And fast.
Nvidia not having to manufacture so many CPUs at such a high rate is a very good thing for humanity. Even though there's a little market turbulence about it.
I have no doubt the other AI companies will catch up quick once they see how it's done. You can install Deep
StateSeek locally, so it'll be reverse engineered pretty quickly I'd imagine.
A CIO I talked to today estimated that this takes the cost of his company taking a product to market from ~$500MM to ~$5M. We're about to see a revolution where every company is leveraging AI models in interesting ways, not just the rich companies.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 27, 2025, 05:34:26 PMThe only real interesting part fo the story is how less resource intensive this product is, imo.
We are experiencing great leaps forward in this technology right now, it's getting both better and cheaper. And fast.
Nvidia not having to manufacture so many CPUs at such a high rate is a very good thing for humanity. Even though there's a little market turbulence about it.
I have no doubt the other AI companies will catch up quick once they see how it's done. You can install DeepStateSeek locally, so it'll be reverse engineered pretty quickly I'd imagine.
If it makes the fraud Sam Altman eat s***, all the better
Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 27, 2025, 05:35:53 PMIf it makes the fraud Sam Altman eat s***, all the better
Yep, the more competition, the better in all industries. Concentration of power amplifies personality traits, turning eccentric people into the dangerous oligarch types.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 27, 2025, 05:51:07 PMYep, the more competition, the better in all industries. Concentration of power amplifies personality traits, turning eccentric people into the dangerous oligarch types.
Where are Taft and Roosevelt these days?
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 27, 2025, 05:51:07 PMYep, the more competition, the better in all industries. Concentration of power amplifies personality traits, turning eccentric people into the dangerous oligarch types.
Benevolent dictator and/or oligarchy is a cute theory but in practice they are all such fcking dweebs
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 27, 2025, 07:49:11 AMRuh oh.
https://www.axios.com/2025/01/27/deepseek-nvidia-stocks-magnificent-7
Truly, I've always wondered how the AI companies, Google, Meta, OpenAI, etc .. how they spend multiple billions on "AI" research. Meta is gonna spend $65b on AI this year.
I mean .. there's hardware and programmers. It's not like you need to convert diamonds into firetrucks. You hire a bunch of code slingers and they code. Yeah, yeah, you need beefy hardware.
But .. 65 billion? Maybe someone can explain.
I'm not an expert, but have an interest in this area. So I wouldn't take the below as 100% truth.
Bottom line is it is very expensive. For a 30,000 GPU data center (similar to OpenAI's usage) using the most recent tech, you are looking at ~$3b just for the hardware.
So why the high cost? Well, the Stargate plan is for a minimum of 10 of these data centers in the $100b Texas build. So that is ~$30b for the hardware.
Then you have to power them, at (back of the envelope calculation) 600-1000 MegaWatts of energy. The current plan is to power them with Small Modular Nuclear Reactors.
Cost for the reactors: ~$6-10b.
Add in massive infrastructure costs and other build costs and you are probably at $60-70b, without even starting to run them yet.
What is cool about DeepSeek's technology, is they are getting similar performance with 10x less computing power.
So scale everything back by a factor of 10, which opens the door for more capabilities.
That is what led to a sell-off today. The thought that maybe they won't need as many GPUs.
I'm not an expert, but my guess is that is 50% true. You can get excellent performance at lower cost. That will lead (in my opinion) to two outcomes.
1. More companies build their own systems with OpenAI type performance, but 10x lower cost. This allows the little guys to play in the big field.
2. Those with massive resources, still go the 30k+ GPU route, but now just increase the parameter size of their training models, and the capacity of their algorithms.
I think this might lead to an increased demand for chips longer term.
This whole thing is fucking hilarious to me.
All of these "geniuses" blowing billions of dollars and China shows up and does it at a tiny fraction of the cost and computing power.
Mark Zuckerberg got rich because he made a website to creep on hot girls at Harvard University which is now used exclusively by boomers to share conspiracy theories. He doesn't know dick about AI. All of these oligarchs just got blown out of the water. And it is really satisfying.
I think the current thought process for AI, the billions on hardware, CPU, and the need for gigawatts of energy .. just got completely blown up.
There was an article that had the amount of energy for ONE AI search pegged at 10 cents. It should not come as a surprise that someone (today, Deepseek) figured out how to do it at 1 cent per search.
I'll guarantee that in 1-2-3 years, that number will be down to .1 cent. The race has ALWAYS been on to invent a better mousetrap. Hell, they'll use AI to optimize AI. In 10 years, it'll be .001 cents.
I think Nvidia and all those who are in the process of investing billions are going to find themselves with a tsunami of processing power that won't be necessary.
Quote from: Coleman on January 27, 2025, 08:59:37 PMThis whole thing is fucking hilarious to me.
All of these "geniuses" blowing billions of dollars and China shows up and does it at a tiny fraction of the cost and computing power.
Mark Zuckerberg got rich because he made a website to creep on hot girls at Harvard University which is now used exclusively by boomers to share conspiracy theories. He doesn't know dick about AI. All of these oligarchs just got blown out of the water. And it is really satisfying.
It's why hes making the rounds throwing tantrums. They don't have any other ideas. All the money in the world but they can't buy everyone thinking they are gods.
Quote from: Coleman on January 27, 2025, 08:59:37 PMThis whole thing is fucking hilarious to me.
All of these "geniuses" blowing billions of dollars and China shows up and does it at a tiny fraction of the cost and computing power.
Mark Zuckerberg got rich because he made a website to creep on hot girls at Harvard University which is now used exclusively by boomers to share conspiracy theories. He doesn't know dick about AI. All of these oligarchs just got blown out of the water. And it is really satisfying.
Consider an analogy I just made up.
The first computers were the size of a building. Then they were reduced to the size of a room and a lot of companies started being able to afford to buy them and allocate the space for them.
***We are here.***
Then the computers became the size of a modern desktop computer.
Then a laptop.
Then a mobile phone.
Then a watch.
Forgetful is right - A whole swath of people will benefit from the reduced overhead from the 'miniaturization' of this tech but in different ways depending on their resources. It's not like there aren't still full-room supercomputers just because we have smartwatches.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 27, 2025, 03:29:20 PMWeird.
https://x.com/KyleJGlen/status/1883968411556069853
Looks like AI also has their particular biases.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on January 27, 2025, 09:49:52 PMI think the current thought process for AI, the billions on hardware, CPU, and the need for gigawatts of energy .. just got completely blown up.
There was an article that had the amount of energy for ONE AI search pegged at 10 cents. It should not come as a surprise that someone (today, Deepseek) figured out how to do it at 1 cent per search.
I'll guarantee that in 1-2-3 years, that number will be down to .1 cent. The race has ALWAYS been on to invent a better mousetrap. Hell, they'll use AI to optimize AI. In 10 years, it'll be .001 cents.
I think Nvidia and all those who are in the process of investing billions are going to find themselves with a tsunami of processing power that won't be necessary.
Could be the case, but I think history is contrary. Parallel computing was once an academic topic. Then for the Military with Crays. Now commonly up to 16 processors sitting on many peoples' desktop computer. More complex problems, more processors put to work. AI code seems like a good way to optimize getting to the answer but for virtual modeling requiring many tasks to be completed at once, probably still need many and fast processors.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 27, 2025, 06:42:03 PMBenevolent dictator and/or oligarchy is a cute theory but in practice they are all such fcking dweebs
I don't know if that makes it more or less scary. Zuck is utterly amoral, Elon is all about amassing power, etc. One thing none of them are is benevolent.
Is an Oligarchy of the Fucking Dweebs better or worse that the standard type?
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 27, 2025, 04:46:22 PMNot weird.
No surprise the Chinese controlled software would have internal censors.
That doesn't take away from the rest of the story
Obviously I meant weird sarcastically.
No, it doesn't take away from the rest of the story, and I didn't suggest that. But it should be worrisome, unless one is naive enough to believe China would manipulate this only to censor negative news about the CCP and not in other ways.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on January 28, 2025, 09:39:46 AMI don't know if that makes it more or less scary. Zuck is utterly amoral, Elon is all about amassing power, etc. One thing none of them are is benevolent.
Is an Oligarchy of the Fucking Dweebs better or worse that the standard type?
Much worse! They have inferiority complexes that elevate their worst instincts!
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 28, 2025, 10:06:00 AMMuch worse! They have inferiority complexes that elevate their worst instincts!
Right.
Despite all their wealth, fame and success, deep down they're still the insecure kid who got picked last for the kickball team in grade school and ignored by the cool kids in high school.
No one embodies this more than Zuckerberg.
Quote from: Pakuni on January 28, 2025, 10:33:44 AMRight.
Despite all their wealth, fame and success, deep down they're still the insecure kid who got picked last for the kickball team in grade school and ignored by the cool kids in high school.
No one embodies this more than Zuckerberg.
I'm all that without being rich.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 28, 2025, 10:52:22 AMI'm all that without being rich.
Right, no complaints when your sphere of influence isn't the future of everything
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 28, 2025, 11:28:13 AMRight, no complaints when your sphere of influence isn't the future of everything
Imagine winning capitalism and still being bitter enough to try to unnatural carnal knowledge up everyone's lives.
I thought that these dudes learned from Carnegie that you're supposed to ruin everyone's lives FIRST by creating a monopoly in your industry, and then build a legacy like the public library system. The current dudes are skipping the second part.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 28, 2025, 11:42:37 AMruin everyone's lives FIRST by creating a monopoly in your industry
Why you gotta bad-mouth scoop like that?
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 28, 2025, 10:06:00 AMMuch worse! They have inferiority complexes that elevate their worst instincts!
Glass houses, GB Warrior
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 28, 2025, 12:21:44 PMWhy you gotta bad-mouth scoop like that?
We know your game!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 28, 2025, 12:21:44 PMWhy you gotta bad-mouth scoop like that?
Dodds is a competitor like Google+ was a competitor to Twitter
Tangentially related, but when discussing the chips and computing power needed for AI and such, anyone read up on ASMLP and their EUV/photolithography methods of chipmaking? Its absolutely insane mindblowing technology...and also a good counter to any worries about the Chinese influence on the semiconductor space/IP theft. The machines cost $150MM+, only ASML can make and sell them...which they are particular about. And, for a comparison, the EUV machines are processing on a level smaller than a UV wavelength and are so insanely precise and calibrated that replicating their output without it would be like forging a painting down to the atomic level. Wild and fascinating stuff.
ASML has the manufacturing facility in Wilton, CT and they can't hire people fast enough.
Quote from: GB Warrior on January 28, 2025, 02:10:06 PMDodds is a competitor like Google+ was a competitor to Twitter
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Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 28, 2025, 11:42:37 AMImagine winning capitalism and still being bitter enough to try to unnatural carnal knowledge up everyone's lives.
I thought that these dudes learned from Carnegie that you're supposed to ruin everyone's lives FIRST by creating a monopoly in your industry, and then build a legacy like the public library system. The current dudes are skipping the second part.
Elon is a terrible poster and has never gotten over that so he bought the website with the funny posts and tanked it.
https://futurism.com/researchers-deepseek-even-cheaper
QuoteJiayi Pan, a PhD candidate at the University of California, Berkeley, claims that he and his AI research team have recreated core functions of DeepSeek's R1-Zero for just $30 — a comically more limited budget than DeepSeek, which rattled the tech industry this week with its extremely thrifty model that it says cost just a few million to train.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 28, 2025, 11:42:37 AMImagine winning capitalism and still being bitter enough to try to unnatural carnal knowledge up everyone's lives.
I thought that these dudes learned from Carnegie that you're supposed to ruin everyone's lives FIRST by creating a monopoly in your industry, and then build a legacy like the public library system. The current dudes are skipping the second part.
Is there a greater legacy than owning the libs?
Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 29, 2025, 12:02:38 AMElon is a terrible poster and has never gotten over that so he bought the website with the funny posts and tanked it.
So, basically Rochet Brain with money.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2025, 12:58:43 PMhttps://futurism.com/researchers-deepseek-even-cheaper
Maybe we should get the smart people back on something useful like fusion.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 31, 2025, 06:08:19 PMMaybe we should get the smart people back on something useful like fusion.
Counterpoint https://x.com/TheFieldOf68/status/1885357393820651938?t=X8QpJ2o92xFoGkIWs4-zYw&s=19
My favorite was Woody Harrelson as Danny Hurley
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 31, 2025, 12:58:43 PMhttps://futurism.com/researchers-deepseek-even-cheaper
When will it cost a nickel?
Loved Deepseek and Wolverine!
Not sure where to put this, and didn't want to start a new thread, so maybe someone will see it.
Has anyone noticed that the AI-based engines (i.e. ChatGPT) sometimes get dumber over time for a specific problem?
I've asked it to simulate games before, given advanced statistics, and it did a great job (the same way I'd do it, if I coded and ran it myself).
I tried it again, and it fails over and over again by misinterpreting the data, or refusing to run the simulation that I ask for, and instead coming up with its own method (that is incorrect). This even occurs in versions optimized for code writing and analytical methods.
I wonder why this is the case.
Teen years.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 29, 2025, 12:02:38 AMElon is a terrible poster and has never gotten over that so he bought the website with the funny posts and tanked it.
It appears a lot of recruits still post on X so there is that. Now Amazon will resume/increase advertising there as well.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amazon-increases-ad-spending-on-x-in-major-reversal-report/ar-AA1y9ACz?ocid=BingNewsSerp
I'm sure Amazon will appreciate its ads being placed among the racist rants and conspiracy theories.
Quote from: MU82 on February 01, 2025, 11:08:33 AMI'm sure Amazon will appreciate its ads being placed among the racist rants and conspiracy theories.
Along with pro-Nazism, homophobia, misogyny and general hate. And that's just what the NY Post will post there
Quote from: muwarrior69 on February 01, 2025, 10:38:59 AMIt appears a lot of recruits still post on X so there is that. Now Amazon will resume/increase advertising there as well.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/amazon-increases-ad-spending-on-x-in-major-reversal-report/ar-AA1y9ACz?ocid=BingNewsSerp
Do you consider this a good thing or bad thing? Why do you think Amazon made this decision?
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 01, 2025, 11:47:56 AMDo you consider this a good thing or bad thing? Why do you think Amazon made this decision?
I'd answer this question, but fear it would run to close to political and risk a ban.
Quote from: forgetful on February 01, 2025, 12:21:26 PMI'd answer this question, but fear it would run to close to political and risk a ban.
Yup.
Quote from: tower912 on February 01, 2025, 12:23:42 PMYup.
You don't have to say it. It's obvious for anyone with half a brain
Amazon is in the business to sell goods and services.
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 01, 2025, 11:47:56 AMDo you consider this a good thing or bad thing? Why do you think Amazon made this decision?
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90% of my X ads are for temu. Maybe that's why
Loved Star Trek XI: Deepseek
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 01, 2025, 11:47:56 AMDo you consider this a good thing or bad thing? Why do you think Amazon made this decision?
The answer is obvious, but we can't get into politics.
Elon is just the person to get OpenAI back on track
Before this goes any further, we should get a ruling from rocky and/or topper:
As a politician, is Pre$ident Mu$k off-limits on Scoop now?
Quote from: MU82 on February 10, 2025, 09:27:34 PMBefore this goes any further, we should get a ruling from rocky and/or topper:
As a politician, is Pre$ident Mu$k off-limits on Scoop now?
I started a thread about him a few months ago with that question. Seems the consensus is he's political, unless you're specifically talking about Tesla products, or SpaceX products.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 11, 2025, 10:30:30 AMI started a thread about him a few months ago with that question. Seems the consensus is he's political, unless you're specifically talking about Tesla products, or SpaceX products.
OK thanks.
Tesla and SpaceX suck!
Cybertruck more likely to catch fire than a Pinto back in the day.
Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2025, 11:20:18 AMCybertruck more likely to catch fire than a Pinto back in the day.
I saw that, though obviously, very few data points for the CT, and I think (could be wrong), one of the data points was the suicide.
Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2025, 11:20:18 AMCybertruck more likely to catch fire than a Pinto back in the day.
Yeah, but at least you get to pay more than $100K for the right to catch fire in that dumpster on wheels.
Related: TSLA stock has lost 30% in the last 2 months, with one significant reason being that its CEO has alienated most of the company's customer base.
It could be that the AI has become judgmental and decided to punish Cybertruck owners.
Quote from: tower912 on February 11, 2025, 11:46:53 AMpunish Cybertruck owners.
Isn't ownership punishment enough?
IMO, yes.
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2025, 11:27:04 AMYeah, but at least you get to pay more than $100K for the right to catch fire in that dumpster on wheels.
Related: TSLA stock has lost 30% in the last 2 months, with one significant reason being that its CEO has alienated most of the company's customer base.
https://finance.yahoo.com/news/elons-bizarre-behavior-killing-teslas-140912952.html
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 11, 2025, 11:51:41 AMIsn't ownership punishment enough?
Owning a Xybertruck is inherently political. No one is buying them for their truck capabilities.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 11, 2025, 02:46:52 PMOwning a Xybertruck is inherently political. No one is buying them for their truck capabilities.
I'm not sure that's true. Nearly 90 million eligible Americans didn't vote in the last election, and millions upon millions more don't expose themselves to a steady diet of political news. I imagine plenty of Tesla owners are only vaguely, if at all, aware of Musk's political activities.
Some people, bless their hearts, just think those are cool cars.
Can't talk about assassinations because they're inherently political.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on February 11, 2025, 03:27:05 PMCan't talk about assassinations because they're inherently political.
Looks like we've finally discovered the oppressive regime.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 11, 2025, 03:32:08 PMLooks like we've finally discovered the oppressive regime.
It was the mods all along!
Really though, did you off Hilltopper?
Who?
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 11, 2025, 02:46:52 PMOwning a Xybertruck is inherently political. No one is buying them for their truck capabilities.
Just yesterday, my wife and I saw a Model Y with a bumper sticker that had ELON in a circle, with a line through it.
Seattle is a tree-hugger's paradise and it has been Tesla central the last few years - including my daughter and SIL, who have been driving a Model X since 2020. In addition to them, I know 5 others who either have already sold or are planning to sell their Teslas because they can't stand being associated with Elon. The 3 I know who have already sold all said the trade-in value was worse than they thought it would be.
Quote from: Pakuni on February 11, 2025, 03:12:18 PMI'm not sure that's true. Nearly 90 million eligible Americans didn't vote in the last election, and millions upon millions more don't expose themselves to a steady diet of political news. I imagine plenty of Tesla owners are only vaguely, if at all, aware of Musk's political activities.
Some people, bless their hearts, just think those are cool cars.
I'm not talking about Teslas overall, but rather the Xybertruck specifically.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 11, 2025, 02:46:52 PMOwning a Xybertruck is inherently political. No one is buying them for their truck capabilities.
Sure, people aren't buying them to offroad or tow trailers, but I think there are plenty of people who think the new, edgy, overly expensive truck is a shiny thing they want, even if they don't worship Elon. It was in the works, spec'd, talked about, etc... before his whole political foray.
FWIW, I know 3 Cybertruck owners. 1 is a Canadian and 1 is a trustfund kid who had a Rivian R1S before it and wrapped his Cybertruck bright blue with a stripe and absolutely didn't even vote cause he's too self absorbed to care about politics. The other? An early 50s gay latino man who lives in my building and who flies the full LGBT flag on his balcony. So idk, YMMV.
Quote from: JWags85 on February 11, 2025, 09:10:40 PMSo idk, YMMV.
Very much so. Your experience is the polar opposite of mine. The owners here all look like...well, as expected.
I asked ChatGPT "I'm a white male who got a dental degree from Marquette, what should I post" and it just started spamming the N word at me. I don't think it's ready guys...
Quote from: Shaka Shart on February 11, 2025, 09:44:41 PMI asked ChatGPT "I'm a white male who got a dental degree from Marquette, what should I post" and it just started spamming the N word at me. I don't think it's ready guys...
Should have asked Deepseek.
Tsmith, most people I know with (any) Tesla think they're cool tech gadgets. Though one of my buddies is (has?) removing the badges from his. Bigly protest, lol.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 11, 2025, 09:48:57 PMShould have asked Deepseek.
Tsmith, most people I know with (any) Tesla think they're cool tech gadgets. Though one of my buddies is (has?) removing the badges from his. Bigly protest, lol.
Rocky I will forever note that you quoted this sh*£ post without denying that Marquette dentists are racist TY.
Anyone see how our earth's core is shifting aina
But did you ask Deepseek? Don't judge until you try.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on February 11, 2025, 09:48:57 PMShould have asked Deepseek.
Tsmith, most people I know with (any) Tesla think they're cool tech gadgets. Though one of my buddies is (has?) removing the badges from his. Bigly protest, lol.
My experience is vastly different between Tesla car owners and Xybertruck owners.
Contrary to recent overall Tesla sales numbers, in the last year there has been an explosion of the number of Tesla cars in our area. For whatever reason (cool gadget, status, tax break, or whatever), a solid 2/3 seemed to be owned by families from India, South Korea, and other Asian countries. The trucks, and there are a handful, are exclusively driven by white males who fit the exact physical description you might expect.
I am not dismissing your experience or Wags, but here they are very much a statement that doesn't have anything to do with perceived coolness.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 12, 2025, 10:15:38 AMThe trucks, and there are a handful, are exclusively driven by white males who fit the exact physical description you might expect.
I imagine you could offer this stereotype for most pickup owners, though.
According to this, 84% of pickup truck owners are white and 88% are men.
https://www.americantrucks.com/pickup-truck-owner-demographics.html#Pickup-Truck-Owners-by-Race,-Gender,-and-Sexual-Orientation
Anecdote isn't data, but the only Cybertruck owner I know is a Polish immigrant neighbor who has zero interest in American politics. He just thinks it's a cool status symbol (and I don't have the heart to correct him).
Quote from: MU82 on February 11, 2025, 05:02:45 PMJust yesterday, my wife and I saw a Model Y with a bumper sticker that had ELON in a circle, with a line through it.
Seattle is a tree-hugger's paradise and it has been Tesla central the last few years - including my daughter and SIL, who have been driving a Model X since 2020. In addition to them, I know 5 others who either have already sold or are planning to sell their Teslas because they can't stand being associated with Elon. The 3 I know who have already sold all said the trade-in value was worse than they thought it would be.
Sounds like buyer's market. Good time to buy a used Tesla.
Did they go back to evil petroleum fueled vehicles?
Quote from: Pakuni on February 12, 2025, 10:34:37 AMAnecdote isn't data, but the only Cybertruck owner I know is a Polish immigrant neighbor who has zero interest in American politics. He just thinks it's a cool status symbol (and I don't have the heart to correct him).
If you wan tot get him fired up tell him the "Cybertruck yest koop-ka."
Then throw in a "Koo da va." Better yet you should skip the second part.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on February 12, 2025, 01:26:08 PMIf you wan tot get him fired up tell him the "Cybertruck yest koop-ka."
Then throw in a "Koo da va." Better yet you should skip the second part.
Are you making suggestions that might get me punched?
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 12, 2025, 12:06:18 PMSounds like buyer's market. Good time to buy a used Tesla.
Did they go back to evil petroleum fueled vehicles?
Nope. 2 bought Kia EVs, and I can't remember what the other got but it was an EV (or maybe a plug-in hybrid?).
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 12, 2025, 12:06:18 PMSounds like buyer's market. Good time to buy a used Tesla.
Did they go back to evil petroleum fueled vehicles?
Why are ICE vehicles "evil"?
Quote from: NCMUFan on February 12, 2025, 12:06:18 PMSounds like buyer's market. Good time to buy a used Tesla.
Did they go back to evil petroleum fueled vehicles?
You can probably find one real cheap from Hertz.
Or just wait five years and the Federal Government will be done with a whole lot of armored cybertrucks.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on February 13, 2025, 06:13:48 AMYou can probably find one real cheap from Hertz.
Or just wait five years and the Federal Government will be done with a whole lot of armored cybertrucks.
I thought this was a joke and I forgot we're in a kleptocracy
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 12, 2025, 08:23:40 PMWhy are ICE vehicles "evil"?
Pretty sure that was snark
Quote from: jesmu84 on February 13, 2025, 09:00:09 AMOk. But why is that
Because they've been told endlessly that global warming is a hoax perpetrated by them egghead "scientists" [roqqet quotes] looking for gubmint [roqqet spellin'] handouts.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on February 13, 2025, 10:48:48 AMBecause they've been told endlessly that global warming is a hoax perpetrated by them egghead "scientists" [roqqet quotes] looking for gubmint [roqqet spellin'] handouts.
Okay. I thought NCMU might answer