1. Anybody who didn't appreciate that defense in the first half doesn't know ball. Chef's kiss.
2. Everybody holds their breath when Kam starts limping.
3. Royce rolled for a while
4. I hate the small lineup. Not just a little.
5. Joplin and Gold were so good against Joplin. Longino ate up Stevie and Chase. If you can torch those two, salute.
6. The bench was integrated very well tonight. Love what Tre brings on defense and connectivity.
7...missed 28 threes in a row before that one... of course.
8. Gutted it out. Made most of the free throws down the stretch.
9. The good news is MU is 8-1 in the Big East. The better news is that they can play so much better.
10. I am going to Indy. See you there.
Feel like we might not suck
Knew we'd just be marching back and forth from FT line to FT line when there were like 6 total fouls called in the first half. Especially with Driscoll in the building.
Pretty workmanlike effort. Thought we were a bit overactive defensively. Somewhat chaotic which gave them some good open step in looks.
If either of Kam or Jop could find the shooting ability they've shown throughout their entire careers this team would be really dang good. If both do, look out.
17-3, 8-1. With upside.
Anybody know why JC Latham was sitting court side? He had instagram stories there and was celebrating Royce's half time 3 at the buzzer.
New offensive high water mark in conference play. Helps when the bench contributes
Really nice win. Good collective effort. Let's keep it rolling Tuesday. Happy weekend!
Shaka Smart is 8-0 against Villanova
Its gonna suck when people see Dixons stats post game thanks to garbage time
Master class defensive effort
Also not sure the Ben Gold/David Joplin defensive narrative will ever change nationally. But fantastic. Just need Jop to stop being a literal suicide bomber on offense
Quote from: tower912 on January 24, 2025, 08:13:41 PM1. Anybody who didn't appreciate that defense in the first half doesn't know ball. Chef's kiss.
2. Everybody holds their breath when Kam starts limping.
3. Royce rolled for a while
4. I hate the small lineup. Not just a little.
5. Joplin and Gold were so good against Joplin. Longino ate up Stevie and Chase. If you can torch those two, salute.
6. The bench was integrated very well tonight. Love what Tre brings on defense and connectivity.
7...missed 28 threes in a row before that one... of course.
8. Gutted it out. Made most of the free throws down the stretch.
9. The good news is MU is 8-1 in the Big East. The better news is that they can play so much better.
10. I am going to Indy. See you there.
How did we look against the zone?
Quote from: DoctorV on January 24, 2025, 08:29:10 PMProve it 🤣
He's 8-0 against Villanova at Marquette and lost to Villanova while coaching Texas in 2020 and lost to Villanova while coaching VCU in 2014.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2025, 08:38:26 PMHe's 8-0 against Villanova at Marquette and lost to Villanova while coaching Texas in 2020 and lost to Villanova while coaching VCU in 2014.
Damnit dude.
Ok fine.
Going into tonight's game:
"Gold has been an elite defender against opposing roll-men (.30 PPP allowed, 97th percentile, per Synergy) and an above-average defender against opposing post-up sets (.77 PPP allowed, 64th percentile, per Synergy) and in isolation (.67 PPP allowed, 63rd percentile, per Synergy)."
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2025, 08:46:27 PMGoing into tonight's game:
"Gold has been an elite defender against opposing roll-men (.30 PPP allowed, 97th percentile, per Synergy) and an above-average defender against opposing post-up sets (.77 PPP allowed, 64th percentile, per Synergy) and in isolation (.67 PPP allowed, 63rd percentile, per Synergy)."
Thanks for that.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2025, 08:46:27 PMGoing into tonight's game:
"Gold has been an elite defender against opposing roll-men (.30 PPP allowed, 97th percentile, per Synergy) and an above-average defender against opposing post-up sets (.77 PPP allowed, 64th percentile, per Synergy) and in isolation (.67 PPP allowed, 63rd percentile, per Synergy)."
But literally every talking head will say they worry about Marquette with Ben Gold as their center.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2025, 08:59:14 PMBut literally every talking head will say they worry about Marquette with Ben Gold as their center.
Willie wanker is a talking head?
I'm hoping this game can be a springboard for lowery. We need a consistent 6th man.
I don't take a lot from this game. We played like we should. The key is playing good for multiple games in a row.
I expect MU should
Beat Butler away.
Beat UConn at home
Beat 1 of 2 away games at STJ or CR
Win the next 4 after that
Etc
If we consistently do what we should....there it is.
This Villanova board is loaded with hilarious comments. Praising MU and ripping VU and especially Neptune.
https://www.vuhoops.com/2025/1/24/24350728/villanova-vs-marquette-chat-time-tv-channel-odds-how-to-watch
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on January 24, 2025, 09:18:02 PMThis Villanova board is loaded with hilarious comments. Praising MU and ripping VU and especially Neptune.
https://www.vuhoops.com/2025/1/24/24350728/villanova-vs-marquette-chat-time-tv-channel-odds-how-to-watch
I'm not reading the comments currently but ya Neptune was bad again
While I do think Nova is better when they don't just force feed Dixon. Cause they have 3-4 solid players.
He also allowed us to completely erase Dixon until garbage time. They tried next to nothing to get Dixon going.
Hard to believe Nova's midrange jumpers didn't beat MU tonight.
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 24, 2025, 09:16:03 PMI don't take a lot from this game. We played like we should. The key is playing good for multiple games in a row.
I expect MU should
Beat Butler away.
Beat UConn at home
Beat 1 of 2 away games at STJ or CR
Win the next 4 after that
Etc
If we consistently do what we should....there it is.
That's fair, fair weather Eagle, but don't be so matter of fact.
If you do that you lose sight of the fact that what's being done, night in and night out, is special.
Don't miss out on all the special moments by setting and depending on expectations set by those previous special moments.
Enjoy the ride.
What I mean is that you expect those things you listed because of what you've seen from this team and how good it can be.
I said before this season that if Shaka made this season work, after losing Oso and TyKo to the NBA, two of the most vital pieces in his Marquette career, he should be given complete trust in everything-anything he does while at Marquette, a lifetime contract if you will.
Long season to go- As a matter of fact we are at the exact halfway point with 20 games left- but what him and his team have accomplished so far this season is incredible, and a lot of Marquette fans are losing sight of that because of the continued success
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 24, 2025, 09:16:03 PMI don't take a lot from this game. We played like we should. The key is playing good for multiple games in a row.
I expect MU should
Beat Butler away.
Beat UConn at home
Beat 1 of 2 away games at STJ or CR
Win the next 4 after that
Etc
If we consistently do what we should....there it is.
We could roll our way to a national title and you'd still be saying you're not sure we can take much away from this team. Every time we win the games you say we should if we're good you just move it on back.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2025, 09:27:07 PMWe could roll our way to a national title and you'd still be saying you're not sure we can take much away from this team. Every time we win the games you say we should if we're good you just move it on back.
Gotta give him credit on the username irony tho
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2025, 08:19:55 PMAnybody know why JC Latham was sitting court side? He had instagram stories there and was celebrating Royce's half time 3 at the buzzer.
He's a Milwaukee kid. Played HS ball at Catholic Memorial and I think he played AAU with Joplin, but I may be misremembering that one.
Stevie makes so many winning plays. He is a winner. That ripped steal against Dixon was awesome.
Jop with the block was a big play. No idea why he jacks up that 3 late in the game when we needed to kill time.
The first foul of the game wasnt called until almost at that 10 minute mark of the first half. The number of fouls in the second half was mind numbing.
Quote from: JTJ3 on January 24, 2025, 09:43:46 PMHe's a Milwaukee kid. Played HS ball at Catholic Memorial and I think he played AAU with Joplin, but I may be misremembering that one.
Ah makes sense. Thanks.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 24, 2025, 08:38:26 PMHe's 8-0 against Villanova at Marquette and lost to Villanova while coaching Texas in 2020 and lost to Villanova while coaching VCU in 2014.
Wait, there was someone before us? Slut!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 24, 2025, 09:19:57 PMI'm not reading the comments currently but ya Neptune was bad again
While I do think Nova is better when they don't just force feed Dixon. Cause they have 3-4 solid players.
He also allowed us to completely erase Dixon until garbage time. They tried next to nothing to get Dixon going.
Sounds like the complaints against Wojo and Markus. Perhaps someone on Villanova needs to write a letter.
Quote from: Big Papi on January 24, 2025, 09:44:10 PMStevie makes so many winning plays. He is a winner. That ripped steal against Dixon was awesome.
Jop with the block was a big play. No idea why he jacks up that 3 late in the game when we needed to kill time.
The first foul of the game wasnt called until almost at that 10 minute mark of the first half. The number of fouls in the second half was mind numbing.
That steel was after something bad happened on the other end. I told my wife "don't make Stevie angry, he won't like him when he's angry." (youngsters may not understand that.)
As far as the fouls in the second half go, I'll take blame for that. Toward the end of the first half I said out loud, this game seems to be officiated well.
I'm usually critical of the officiating, but both teams really gave them no choice in the second half. Bad closeouts/footwork and a lot of clear reach-ins.
It was annoying, but had to do a better job of guarding without fouling.
Your love for Tre is admirable.
Would love to see a Tre 3 go down.
nm
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 24, 2025, 10:52:34 PMStop it, jinx
It's been a rough week for the eeyore's but we'll certainly lose some games soon, so they should feel better soon, too
Quote from: FairWeatherEagle on January 24, 2025, 09:16:03 PMI don't take a lot from this game. We played like we should. The key is playing good for multiple games in a row.
I expect MU should
Beat Butler away.
Beat UConn at home
Beat 1 of 2 away games at STJ or CR
Win the next 4 after that
Etc
If we consistently do what we should....there it is.
How can someone be so miserable about sports fandom.
Quote from: Big Papi on January 24, 2025, 09:44:10 PMStevie makes so many winning plays. He is a winner. That ripped steal against Dixon was awesome.
Jop with the block was a big play. No idea why he jacks up that 3 late in the game when we needed to kill time.
The first foul of the game wasnt called until almost at that 10 minute mark of the first half. The number of fouls in the second half was mind numbing.
I was at the game tonight with my wife. When Stevie got that steal I turned to her and said that's why he's my favorite player on the team.
It seems like every time we need a lift it's Stevie who does something amazing.
Controlled the game from beginning to end. We even won the FT-shooting contest that was much of the second half.
Solid win for the Big East leaders. We Are Marquette!
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 24, 2025, 10:21:15 PMYour love for Tre is admirable.
Would love to see a Tre 3 go down.
Tre did a nice job, but I'll give kudos to Lowery and Parham as well. They were equally good if not better tonight.
I haven't watched a ton of Nova this year, but that's not a bad team. A lot of talent. Playing them in Philly won't be easy and if they didn't lay a couple couple non-con eggs, talent-wise, that is definitely a bubble worthy team. Shame they hurt the league like they did in non-con (same with X and others to a lesser degree).
Quote from: We R Final Four on January 24, 2025, 10:21:15 PMYour love for Tre is admirable.
Would love to see a Tre 3 go down.
...he says to Shaka.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIQiCbHdpH0
Shaka postgame
Can't take Joplin out when he is playing defense lilke that, even if he isn't shooting well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UWjqjKucrA
Stevie and Royce. Nice roast from Stevie.
Loved the rebounding by Ben. Not tip outs, but securing the ball in traffic. The next step for him is to not make himself small after grabbing it.
Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2025, 07:31:20 AMLoved the rebounding by Ben. Not tip outs, but securing the ball in traffic. The next step for him is to not make himself small after grabbing it.
nm
Well played.
MU players not named Joplin or Jones went 8-19 from 3 last night.
Love when Shaka talked about how wanting to be somewhere with every fiber of your body makes you better and work that much harder. Culture
Also indictates Shaka isn't headed to Virginia.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 24, 2025, 10:17:39 PMI'm usually critical of the officiating, but both teams really gave them no choice in the second half. Bad closeouts/footwork and a lot of clear reach-ins.
It was annoying, but had to do a better job of guarding without fouling.
Watch it! This is heresy on scoop. ;D The refs conspire to give the game to one of the teams. That's what they are
really talking about when the reviews take so long. "OK. Let's take a vote. Who are we going to give the game to?"
The Seton Hall game was not, in my opinion, a clear indication that the Marquette had gotten over the problems/weaknesses in the previous 3 games. They were just too crappy of an opponent. But this game? Oh yeah!
Quote from: Zog from Margo on January 25, 2025, 12:46:24 AMTre did a nice job, but I'll give kudos to Lowery and Parham as well. They were equally good if not better tonight.
He's solid on Defense....his 3 point shooting is atrocious.
We all want him to be more than he is.
Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2025, 06:49:06 AM...he says to Shaka.
Not quite that break out player some thought....
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 25, 2025, 08:30:36 AMThe Seton Hall game was not, in my opinion, a clear indication that the Marquette had gotten over the problems/weaknesses in the previous 3 games. They were just too crappy of an opponent. But this game? Oh yeah!
How did we look against the zone?
I'm not sure he's saying that Rico. Not everyone pans out on a college roster. Tre has had some good moments on offense but they have been few and far between. His jump shot is more like a catapult and I don't think anyone sincere is confident that it going in when he shoots.
Long list of recent players on MU who have had exponentially better sophomore seasons. He plays good defense and is a good teammate. That however doesn't inspire confidence that he is in the next wave of talent to keep this train rolling. Serviceable but unspectacular piece this year. Hope he continues to improve. Certainly not rooting against him.
Quote from: tower912 on January 24, 2025, 08:13:41 PMI am going to Indy. See you there.
See you there, my friend.
I began my MU sojourn tonight. Then Indy. Then back to Milwaukee for UConn. Looking for a 3-0 trip!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2025, 08:36:51 AMOur players just aren't very good
And Shaka and the coaching staff are atrocious at player development. We are doomed, concerned for the following 4 years.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 25, 2025, 08:58:54 AMI'm not sure he's saying that Rico. Not everyone pans out on a college roster. Tre has had some good moments on offense but they have been few and far between. His jump shot is more like a catapult and I don't think anyone sincere is confident that it going in when he shoots.
Long list of recent players on MU who have had exponentially better sophomore seasons. He plays good defense and is a good teammate. That however doesn't inspire confidence that he is in the next wave of talent to keep this train rolling. Serviceable but unspectacular piece this year. Hope he continues to improve. Certainly not rooting against him.
No, I don't think any of our players are any good
Quote from: Big Papi on January 24, 2025, 09:44:10 PMStevie makes so many winning plays. He is a winner. That ripped steal against Dixon was awesome.
Play of the game, right? Nova had cut it to 6, could've made it a one possession game.
I doubt Tre ever becomes Kam or TKo. All Americans. I do think with a minimum of 15 games to go this season and then an offseason of work that he can be the starting PG next season. I actually prefer him to Sean for various reasons.
Also, the principles of the offense will remain, but with the other 4 starters likely being Chase, Ben, Royce, and DO, will the PG really need to be as dynamic as TKo/Kam? Or will he need to not turn the ball over and slow down the opposing PG, a la Stevie?
At this point, I agree Tre does not appear to be heading to the league. But there are still 2.5 years of growth ahead. And I am almost always optimistic.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on January 24, 2025, 09:18:02 PMThis Villanova board is loaded with hilarious comments. Praising MU and ripping VU and especially Neptune.
https://www.vuhoops.com/2025/1/24/24350728/villanova-vs-marquette-chat-time-tv-channel-odds-how-to-watch
My favorite comments are those that claim the reason Stevie didn't go to Villanova is that he didn't qualify academically.
Officiating Q: should they have called offensive basket interference on Parham on Stevie's layup? Hit the ball while it was still in the net and it popped up and then dropped back through. In the moment I thought he should've been called, but don't know the exact rule. Nova bench definitely thought so.
Stevie looked over at him and motioned for him to chill right after.
Quote from: MUMountin on January 25, 2025, 10:02:42 AMOfficiating Q: should they have called offensive basket interference on Parham on Stevie's layup? Hit the ball while it was still in the net and it popped up and then dropped back through. In the moment I thought he should've been called, but don't know the exact rule. Nova bench definitely thought so.
Stevie looked over at him and motioned for him to chill right after.
Based on the very quick look-up I just did, it would seem basket interference should have been called.
I'll be interested to hear from others on this.
I wouldn't assume Zaide isn't a starter next year. His 3 point shot looks good and he can defend.
Only players I'm Sharpying in are Chase and Ben. Can see any of Zaide, Parham, Owens, Jones, and Norman starting. If Sean is back to fully healthy and has his athletic ability and confidence completely back, I'd bet on him at the point.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2025, 11:05:52 AMI wouldn't assume Zaide isn't a starter next year. His 3 point shot looks good and he can defend.
Only players I'm Sharpying in are Chase and Ben. Can see any of Zaide, Parham, Owens, Jones, and Norman starting. If Sean is back to fully healthy and has his athletic ability and confidence completely back, I'd bet on him at the point.
I'll wager SJ is the starting PG next year. Nearly 18 months will be more than enough to time to be ready. He'll have to get the game experience again.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 25, 2025, 09:55:56 AMMy favorite comments are those that claim the reason Stevie didn't go to Villanova is that he didn't qualify academically.
Well, Tyler didn't go to Providence because he can't read as well. I guess we'll take anyone.
Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2025, 09:46:06 AMI doubt Tre ever becomes Kam or TKo. All Americans. I do think with a minimum of 15 games to go this season and then an offseason of work that he can be the starting PG next season. I actually prefer him to Sean for various reasons.
Also, the principles of the offense will remain, but with the other 4 starters likely being Chase, Ben, Royce, and DO, will the PG really need to be as dynamic as TKo/Kam? Or will he need to not turn the ball over and slow down the opposing PG, a la Stevie?
At this point, I agree Tre does not appear to be heading to the league. But there are still 2.5 years of growth ahead. And I am almost always optimistic.
All this is fair, but let's be clear, he may not even be close to our recent non all Americans (Stevie, Justin, Omax, Oso, Chase) their sophomore years. You could even throw Sean in there for the game turning impact he has had in several big games freshman and sophomore year before injury.
I do think you are right in that it is probably better to wait on judgement either way until we see what he brings to the table the rest of the season and the beginning of next year. I truly hope you are right. Need as many impact guys as possible.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 25, 2025, 11:07:02 AMI'll wager SJ is the starting PG next year. Nearly 18 months will be more than enough to time to be ready. He'll have to get the game experience again.
I agree. And it will be interesting to see how that impacts Tre/DO. Can Tre take over the Stevie role? Or will Shaka go with DO for more offensive firepower and length in the starting rotation. Size-wise, I have to imagine that Shaka will not want to play Sean and Tre together a ton, but maybe speed will make up for it.
In some ways, Tre loses out with Sean's redshirt decision. Could be the first real interesting test of culture/players not transferring out. I wouldn't begrudge Tre if he felt like he's lost some opportunity in his senior year now, barring injury or something else shaking things up.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 25, 2025, 11:05:52 AMI wouldn't assume Zaide isn't a starter next year. His 3 point shot looks good and he can defend.
Only players I'm Sharpying in are Chase and Ben. Can see any of Zaide, Parham, Owens, Jones, and Norman starting. If Sean is back to fully healthy and has his athletic ability and confidence completely back, I'd bet on him at the point.
Agree on all of this.
Though if we have a chance to get Anthony Davis or Bam Adebayo, either would be a lot better than disappointing Ben Gold.
Quote from: MU82 on January 25, 2025, 01:09:24 PMAgree on all of this.
Though if we have a chance to get Anthony Davis or Bam Adebayo, either would be a lot better than disappointing Ben Gold.
I think Giannis is the obvious choice, connection with MKE
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 25, 2025, 02:29:13 PMI think Giannis is the obvious choice, connection with MKE
Not a post player.
Quote from: Newsdreams on January 25, 2025, 02:29:13 PMI think Giannis is the obvious choice, connection with MKE
And he has all 4 years of eligibility left.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 25, 2025, 02:34:58 PMAnd he has all 4 years of eligibility left.
Can MU be competitive with their NIL money?
Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2025, 02:36:52 PMCan MU be competitive with their NIL money?
If they can give Kam Jones $2MM, they can give Giannis over the $175MM he's due the next 3 years.
Quote from: MUMountin on January 25, 2025, 10:02:42 AMOfficiating Q: should they have called offensive basket interference on Parham on Stevie's layup? Hit the ball while it was still in the net and it popped up and then dropped back through. In the moment I thought he should've been called, but don't know the exact rule. Nova bench definitely thought so.
Stevie looked over at him and motioned for him to chill right after.
I thought so in real time and on the replay. A bit surprised it wasn't.
I don't know how the rule is written, but calling that offensive interference would be silly. It was already through the hoop and halfway down the net when it was touched. Had no impact on whether the shot was good or not.
Quote from: warriorchick on January 25, 2025, 09:55:56 AMMy favorite comments are those that claim the reason Stevie didn't go to Villanova is that he didn't qualify academically.
Went back and checked. Stanford offered Stevie. All that needs to be said.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 25, 2025, 03:46:58 PMI don't know how the rule is written, but calling that offensive interference would be silly. It was already through the hoop and halfway down the net when it was touched. Had no impact on whether the shot was good or not.
Just a guess, but I think the rationale of what you describe as "halfway down the hoop" may be that the ball sometimes seems to defy the laws of physics and pops back out. We got away with one. Works for me!
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 25, 2025, 03:51:50 PMJust a guess, but I think the rationale of what you describe as "halfway down the hoop" may be that the ball sometimes seems to defy the laws of physics and pops back out. We got away with one. Works for me!
No, the basket was clearly good.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 25, 2025, 03:46:58 PMI don't know how the rule is written, but calling that offensive interference would be silly. It was already through the hoop and halfway down the net when it was touched. Had no impact on whether the shot was good or not.
That was my assumption, too. But anything rules-related I could find online indicates the opposite.
Caveat: I couldn't find the actual rule.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 25, 2025, 03:52:22 PMNo, the basket was clearly good.
Of course, but it could have been waved off
IF my guess about the rule is correct. Guess is the operative word. Where's Jay Bee when we need him?
Driscoll made the motion that the ball was already below the cylinder. I think it was the right no-call.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 25, 2025, 04:38:52 PM
Of course, but it could have been waved off IF my guess about the rule is correct. Guess is the operative word. Where's Jay Bee when we need him?
Apparently, in a creepy white van.
Quote from: tower912 on January 25, 2025, 05:03:39 PMApparently, in a creepy white van.
Nah, he seriously plays pickleball these days. That plus his consumption of Trulys has diminished his legend.
Hahahahahahahaha. Chase Ross is the EGB champ for Nova game. At the end of this video you can see him doing the "bring it on" motion telling the defender to step up. Too good.
https://x.com/CoachShakaSmart/status/1883618587803590676?t=k69jYk25WOk2NIsn3Ujq9A&s=19