1. Shaka...I need the bench to get better to raise our March ceiling...per Fanta
2. MU's defense was superb. So many steals. So many forced turnovers.
3. Imagine the score if MU made their layups and dunks. Might have won by 40.
4. MU got sloppy with a lead. See 1. Got to get the bench as much experience as possible.
5. Young guys. Some good some bad. Patiently respect the process.
6. Say it with me as you breathe deeply... an open 3 is always a good shot. Let it fill your consciousness.
7. Admit it, deep down, in places you don't want to acknowledge, you want Ben shooting the corner 3.
8. So, blowout conference road win. Bench got extended run. Nobody hurt. All MU can ask for.
Good to have a get right game. Kam making threes opens up the offense. Now hopefully it continues, and then Jop gets hot from 3.
KenPom Predicted Score:
MUBB 73 Seton Hall 61
Final:
MUBB 76 Seton Hall 59
Vegas Line: -12.5
Have a smoke
Kam getting himself righted a bit from deep was nice. Ben still shooting great is nice. D with all the horses play excellent even with the bad opponent.
The bad? Next years roster was worse than SHU on the floor. 3/5 starters has zero efficiency again.
Long way to go still. Right now its still team defense and pray for Good Kam.
Great to see Kam get right again. Will be huge moving forward.
Jop did not have a good game.
Ben dunks are fun.
Young guys have a looooong way to go to be formidable on the court.
Is it enough to remove the sour taste of Xavier at home? Not yet.
Glad we did what we expect to do...play well.
MU covered on the road force feeding minutes to the bench. The only way they will get better is by playing.
72 minutes for the bench tonight. To me, most important stat other than the W.
Decent response to the Xavier loss. Starters especially had some nice stretches,
Kam hopefully has something to build on with his shot coming back. That one lucky-bounce 3 got him going. Movin' on up the scoring chart for Marquette.
Off the bench, Owens played pretty well offensively. Nice dish from Norman to Zaide in the first half.
Loved the D most of the game. Our starting backcourt combined for a dozen steals.
Seton Hall bloweth, but we still beat the spread on the road, and were never threatened once we went up 10.
I'll take it!
Glad Lowery,Owens and Parnham saw a few go through the hoop. Hopefully it gives them confidence and a second wind to finish off the season strong.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 21, 2025, 09:07:24 PMKenPom Predicted Score:
MUBB 73 Seton Hall 61
Final:
MUBB 76 Seton Hall 59
Vegas Line: -12.5
Have a smoke
Oh wow MU covers!!!
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 21, 2025, 09:07:44 PMKam getting himself righted a bit from deep was nice. Ben still shooting great is nice. D with all the horses play excellent even with the bad opponent.
The bad? Next years roster was worse than SHU on the floor. 3/5 starters has zero efficiency again.
Long way to go still. Right now its still team defense and pray for Good Kam.
Very concerned about next year, they better have hotdogs
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on January 21, 2025, 09:07:58 PMGreat to see Kam get right again. Will be huge moving forward.
Jop did not have a good game.
Ben dunks are fun.
Young guys have a looooong way to go to be formidable on the court.
Jolp LOL
Quote from: MU82 on January 21, 2025, 09:21:26 PMSeton Hall bloweth
Realistically we'll only play a team that bloweth this badly once more. Hall at home.
Seton Hall has played 19 games. They have managed to score:
80s - 2 games (1 of which was a loss)
70s - 3 games
60s - 7 games
50s - 6 games
40s - 1 game
I can't fathom scoop if MU had an offense this putrid. Kenpom ORtg #231. Lowest among major conference teams. Closest BE team is Georgetown at 163 and then DePaul at 97.
Unrelated: gave up a career high 27 to Isaiah Coleman.
Quote from: lostpassword on January 21, 2025, 09:35:26 PMRealistically we'll only play a team that bloweth this badly once more. Hall at home.
Seton Hall has played 19 games. They have managed to score:
80s - 2 games (1 of which was a loss)
70s - 3 games
60s - 7 games
50s - 6 games
40s - 1 game
I can't fathom scoop if MU had an offense this putrid. Kenpom ORtg #231. Lowest among major conference teams. Closest BE team is Georgetown at 163 and then DePaul at 97.
Unrelated: gave up a career high 27 to Isaiah Coleman.
Sooo?
As for the young guys, I thought Lowery was solid on both ends. He got fouled on the break where he missed the dunk.
Refreshing to see MU again play like MU.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on January 21, 2025, 09:56:49 PMAs for the young guys, I thought Lowery was solid on both ends. He got fouled on the break where he missed the dunk.
Refreshing to see MU again play like MU.
I really like Zaide Lowery.
Plays solid D, stays within himself, solid in his outside shot when he lets it go with confidence.
Athletic and active, very aware.
Needs to take the next step and get confident on the drive, much like Chase last year.
When he's out his absence is REALLY felt, it's happened twice this year. That's a sign of a really important player.
He will take a huge leap next season, but hopefully it comes sooner in this season.
Want to see Shaka make him first off the bench again when his health allows it, because his defense is contagious
The defense at the end with the young guys was really bad. It seemed like it was one layup after another. They have some growing up to do. Overall, nice win though.
Not all of the young guys are poor defenders. Lowery and Norman are pretty solid. Parham has good instincts but can get pushed around. Owens and Hamilton struggle, but not unusually so for freshmen. When all five play together, it's not a good group defensively. Norman and Lowery are fine when playing with the starters, IMO. When you see how far Kam and Joplin have come on D, I don't see any reason to worry about any of the young guys.
All of the usual suspects missing tonight.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2025, 09:04:26 PM1. Shaka...I need the bench to get better to raise our March ceiling...per Fanta
2. MU's defense was superb. So many steals. So many forced turnovers.
3. Imagine the score if MU made their layups and dunks. Might have won by 40.
4. MU got sloppy with a lead. See 1. Got to get the bench as much experience as possible.
5. Young guys. Some good some bad. Patiently respect the process.
6. Say it with me as you breathe deeply... an open 3 is always a good shot. Let it fill your consciousness.
7. Admit it, deep down, in places you don't want to acknowledge, you want Ben shooting the corner 3.
8. So, blowout conference road win. Bench got extended run. Nobody hurt. All MU can ask for.
#6 question:
If you have a 3 on 1 fastbreak and have an "open 3" is that a good shot? An open three is a very nuanced and debatable topic. If you're simply saying that if you can get a 3 pt shot off, without much of a hand in your face, it's always a good fga, then I just disagree with you. There are good open threes in rhythm and bad open threes early in the shot clock off of a few dribbles as one example. Launching indiscriminately because you are square to the basket and can get it off doesn't make it a quality shot. There are a number of additional examples where an open three is a bad shot if you have a chippie from a pass or two. Based on this logic Steph Curry should take a three every possession he's in the game if he can unload.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 21, 2025, 09:07:44 PMKam getting himself righted a bit from deep was nice. Ben still shooting great is nice. D with all the horses play excellent even with the bad opponent.
The bad? Next years roster was worse than SHU on the floor. 3/5 starters has zero efficiency again.
Long way to go still. Right now its still team defense and pray for Good Kam.
It's more than just Kam imo. We need Stevie, Chase, and Jop to be more efficient and consistent offensively.
Quote from: DoctorV on January 21, 2025, 10:01:03 PMI really like Zaide Lowery.
Plays solid D, stays within himself, solid in his outside shot when he lets it go with confidence.
Athletic and active, very aware.
Needs to take the next step and get confident on the drive, much like Chase last year.
When he's out his absence is REALLY felt, it's happened twice this year. That's a sign of a really important player.
He will take a huge leap next season, but hopefully it comes sooner in this season.
Want to see Shaka make him first off the bench again when his health allows it, because his defense is contagious
Yeah, I think he is our best option off the bench - I think we really missed him w X (was he sick? I never saw). Tre is playing because there is no Sean and he is what he is. Every now and then there is a flash - our ceiling rises considerably if he can put it together. The Freshman - if we can get to a situation where 1 of the 3 of them can be a positive on any given night I'd take it.
One game against SH does not definitively spell the end of the Kam funk - but we need him out of that and all of the bench progression above to make the FF
Solid W.
Everyone on the bench played 10+ min and we still covered.
Ben gold is so much better than we give him credit for.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg8kwV5K33E
Discussion about expectations for the bench. Culture, Defense, Offense, in that order.
NIL discussion.
Thoughts on Ben Gold.
Holloway greetings
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9GK6825h8U
1SE, Zaide missed the Xavier game due to illness.
Quote from: 1SE on January 22, 2025, 03:35:53 AMYeah, I think he is our best option off the bench - I think we really missed him w X (was he sick? I never saw). Tre is playing because there is no Sean and he is what he is. Every now and then there is a flash - our ceiling rises considerably if he can put it together. The Freshman - if we can get to a situation where 1 of the 3 of them can be a positive on any given night I'd take it.
One game against SH does not definitively spell the end of the Kam funk - but we need him out of that and all of the bench progression above to make the FF
Yes Shaka in post game presser was asked and said Zaide had been sick and couldn't practice.
Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2025, 06:46:37 AMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zg8kwV5K33E
Discussion about expectations for the bench. Culture, Defense, Offense, in that order.
NIL discussion.
Thoughts on Ben Gold.
Sounds like Shaka is rolling with the NIL punches but there is a hint of frustration in that interview with the state of NCAA basketball. Loved the 2 balls on the court at the same time example. As players and coaches we'll just have to adjust.
Oh and definitely wants the freshmen to put on there big boy pants. Not frustrated with them but laid it out explicitly what will get them more playing time. Shaka makes it black and white. The parents of a player, if they have eyes, can only nod their heads if their sons are not getting "enough" playing time.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 22, 2025, 07:57:48 AMSounds like Shaka is rolling with the NIL punches but there is a hint of frustration in that interview with the state of NCAA basketball. Loved the 2 balls on the court at the same time example. As players and coaches we'll just have to adjust.
I think he was diplomatically answering a question that was more directed at the transfers from Seton Hall apparently due to NIL. It was kind of an unfair thing to ask an opposing coach.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 22, 2025, 08:05:46 AMI think he was diplomatically answering a question that was more directed at the transfers from Seton Hall apparently due to NIL. It was kind of an unfair thing to ask an opposing coach.
No doubt. But the example of the two balls show and underlying component of frustration with the inmates running the asylum.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 22, 2025, 08:12:08 AMNo doubt. But the example of the two balls show and underlying component of frustration with the inmates running the asylum.
Inmates running the asylum? That's an awful analogy.
Ha! Put whatever analogy you want. I didn't mean to offend.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on January 22, 2025, 08:14:35 AMHa! Put whatever analogy you want. I didn't mean to offend.
I don't think Sultan was offended, I think he thinks it's a bad analogy. I assume you work or worked at some point and got paid for it. Did that make you an inmate running the asylum?
The issue has nothing to do with the players and its comical that the NCAA bungled this so badly that people frame the issue this way. It's like when people used to expect a major league player to take a 'home town discount' for them.
Design a bad system, get a bad outcome. It's not like players are offering themselves more money to jump to a new school....the 'broader school/booster infrastructure is'. There are already examples of players not getting the money promised. Are we surprised players get mad or sit out for that?
This is no endorsement of the current system, but I am hard pressed to blame the players for maximizing their value within the system the NCAA/Schools allowed.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 22, 2025, 08:38:06 AMI don't think Sultan was offended, I think he thinks it's a bad analogy. I assume you work or worked at some point and got paid for it. Did that make you an inmate running the asylum?
Yeah, this exactly. Players getting paid certainly gives them more leverage than before, but "before" meant nothing but a scholarship and limited ability to move to a new "workplace."
If I was of a conspiracy mindset, I could find enough in his answer about the bench to conclude somebody, a player or parent, has been complaining about playing time.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 22, 2025, 08:38:06 AMI don't think Sultan was offended, I think he thinks it's a bad analogy. I assume you work or worked at some point and got paid for it. Did that make you an inmate running the asylum?
Shaka used a ridiculous example to say coaches and the NCAA have less and less control. Some has to do with pay, some has to do with yearly player free agency. He has obviously thought about it enough to bring up that example. To his credit he states he is rolling with it.
Again, did not mean to offend. And whatever analogy you want to use where the coaches have less and less control we can use going forward.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 22, 2025, 08:39:44 AMThe issue has nothing to do with the players and its comical that the NCAA bungled this so badly that people frame the issue this way. It's like when people used to expect a major league player to take a 'home town discount' for them.
Design a bad system, get a bad outcome. It's not like players are offering themselves more money to jump to a new school....the 'broader school/booster infrastructure is'. There are already examples of players not getting the money promised. Are we surprised players get mad or sit out for that?
This is no endorsement of the current system, but I am hard pressed to blame the players for maximizing their value within the system the NCAA/Schools allowed.
I'm not blaming the players either. I think coaches can't help but be a little frustrated in the efforts to build a cohesive successful program. Both sides can be right at the same time.
Quote from: lostpassword on January 21, 2025, 09:35:26 PMUnrelated: gave up a career high 27 to Isaiah Coleman.
Coleman has been Hall's only offensive threat all year. I bet he already has had 15+ offers from other schools since he is a sophomore. He will not be at Hall next year.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 22, 2025, 08:39:44 AMThe issue has nothing to do with the players and its comical that the NCAA bungled this so badly that people frame the issue this way. It's like when people used to expect a major league player to take a 'home town discount' for them.
Design a bad system, get a bad outcome. It's not like players are offering themselves more money to jump to a new school....the 'broader school/booster infrastructure is'. There are already examples of players not getting the money promised. Are we surprised players get mad or sit out for that?
This is no endorsement of the current system, but I am hard pressed to blame the players for maximizing their value within the system the NCAA/Schools allowed.
Plus, everyone with a brain saw this coming. The NCAA, and many of their member schools, did not. They simply decided to put their head in the sand or run to Congress, instead of developing a system that would provide both compensation for the student-athletes, and more stability for the schools. But now it's a mess.
And I don't have much sympathy for coaches who have to deal with it. They are paid a lot of money to figure stuff out. You have people like Nick Saban who recently said he would rather coach in the NFL than in the NIL era of college football.
Nick, you were making $10 million a year to coach college football. You are now presumably being paid millions to talk about college football. You are 73 years old and are wealthy because of college football. Do you think I care that you wouldn't do it again because it's become harder? LOL. Gimme a break.
Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2025, 08:43:46 AMIf I was of a conspiracy mindset, I could find enough in his answer about the bench to conclude somebody, a player or parent, has been complaining about playing time.
I agree with this analysis. I sensed a little frustration from Shaka in this presser. And perhaps rightfully so, if he's got a player/parent in his ear about playing time. Shaka is great with getting young guys minutes/opportunity, and he never yanks a guy for an offensive "mistake."
As he said - you want more PT - get better culturally, defensively, and then offensively.
It was nice to get a "no drama" victory while getting the bench players significant minutes. If nothing else it reduced the wear and tear on the starters who will probably be needed for big minutes on Friday.
The offense was pretty sloppy in the first half but was more cohesive in the third quarter. Hard to draw any conclusions one way or another against a team that weak.
One thing we didn't learn is whether Ross' hand/wrist injury affects his shooting. Maybe he only attempted one outside shot because opportunities didn't present themselves, or maybe he doesn't feel comfortable. Stay tuned
Just glad Ross is always looking for other ways to impact the game. A la Stevie.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on January 22, 2025, 09:44:54 AMI agree with this analysis. I sensed a little frustration from Shaka in this presser. And perhaps rightfully so, if he's got a player/parent in his ear about playing time. Shaka is great with getting young guys minutes/opportunity, and he never yanks a guy for an offensive "mistake."
As he said - you want more PT - get better culturally, defensively, and then offensively.
It is interesting. You and Tower could be on to something. He did make it abundantly clear what it took to play at the presser.
I think Shaka is mindful and intentional with his word choices.
Quote from: wisblue on January 22, 2025, 09:59:17 AMIt was nice to get a "no drama" victory while getting the bench players significant minutes. If nothing else it reduced the wear and tear on the starters who will probably be needed for big minutes on Friday.
The offense was pretty sloppy in the first half but was more cohesive in the third quarter. Hard to draw any conclusions one way or another against a team that weak.
One thing we didn't learn is whether Ross' hand/wrist injury affects his shooting. Maybe he only attempted one outside shot because opportunities didn't present themselves, or maybe he doesn't feel comfortable. Stay tuned
Agree with all this. I will add that Ross didn't seem especially concerned about his wrist or hand when throwing down a violent dunk. Which is good.
Quote from: MU82 on January 22, 2025, 11:22:05 AMAgree with all this. I will add that Ross didn't seem especially concerned about his wrist or hand when throwing down a violent dunk. Which is good.
Chase had a boot on his wrist at lunch today at Cousins
Chase booted after eating at Cousins? Not the first person to do so.
Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2025, 12:01:51 PMChase booted after eating at Cousins? Not the first person to do so.
A student called him Follow Ross, and fisticuffs ensued.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 22, 2025, 12:03:17 PMA student called him Follow Ross, and fisticuffs ensued.
Surprised he eats at Cousins when he has his own line of potato dumplings.
Ross Pierogis
Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2025, 10:01:58 AMJust glad Ross is always looking for other ways to impact the game. A la Stevie.
But he sometimes is needed to be able to drop in an open three like he did against Georgetown and DePaul. If his thumb takes that away it makes MU even easier to defend.
Quote from: wisblue on January 22, 2025, 01:11:21 PMBut he sometimes is needed to be able to drop in an open three like he did against Georgetown and DePaul. If his thumb takes that away it makes MU even easier to defend.
Yes. Solutions?
Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2025, 08:43:46 AMIf I was of a conspiracy mindset, I could find enough in his answer about the bench to conclude somebody, a player or parent, has been complaining about playing time.
You never know, but I also think there was an element of being tired of questions about the bench. Especially when that unit provided very little resistance at the end of the game.
If it was directed at anyone specifically, I have a hunch it was Owens. He has been entirely too lackadaisical of late. Careless with the ball, a turnstile on the other end.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on January 21, 2025, 09:07:44 PMKam getting himself righted a bit from deep was nice. Ben still shooting great is nice. D with all the horses play excellent even with the bad opponent.
The bad? Next years roster was worse than SHU on the floor. 3/5 starters has zero efficiency again.
Long way to go still. Right now its still team defense and pray for Good Kam.
Those games still take place a year from now, right?
Quote from: MUbiz on January 22, 2025, 09:06:19 AMColeman has been Hall's only offensive threat all year. I bet he already has had 15+ offers from other schools since he is a sophomore. He will not be at Hall next year.
Yes, and this is why Sha is very frustrated
Quote from: tower912 on January 22, 2025, 01:14:03 PMYes. Solutions?
The question is whether or not Ross has an injury that adversely affects his ability to shoot from outside. Last night's game didn't provide any evidence one way or another because he only attempted one outside shot. He has tried more than one in every other game this year but one.
If Ross isn't comfortable shooting from outside, or will be less effective than usual, it will be another challenge for an already scuffling offense. I don't have a solution; that's up to the coaching staff.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 22, 2025, 02:28:58 PMYes, and this is why Sha is very frustrated
And likely why he was trying to leave too.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 22, 2025, 02:57:55 PMAnd likely why he was trying to leave too.
I can't blame him. He got that job at the worst possible time.
Quote from: tower912 on January 21, 2025, 09:04:26 PM1. Shaka...I need the bench to get better to raise our March ceiling...per Fanta
2. MU's defense was superb. So many steals. So many forced turnovers.
3. Imagine the score if MU made their layups and dunks. Might have won by 40.
4. MU got sloppy with a lead. See 1. Got to get the bench as much experience as possible.
5. Young guys. Some good some bad. Patiently respect the process.
6. Say it with me as you breathe deeply... an open 3 is always a good shot. Let it fill your consciousness.
7. Admit it, deep down, in places you don't want to acknowledge, you want Ben shooting the corner 3.
8. So, blowout conference road win. Bench got extended run. Nobody hurt. All MU can ask for.
Yes Tower I want Ben to shoot the corner 3, provided he can hit them at a 40% plus, and not clang them off the side of the rim. This means he must shoot 4plus 3s per game.
Hope he does this.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 23, 2025, 05:40:56 AMYes Tower I want Ben to shoot the corner 3, provided he can hit them at a 40% plus, and not clang them off the side of the rim. This means he must shoot 4plus 3s per game.
Hope he does this.
I'm not sure you understand what sort of rare air this would be placing him him.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 23, 2025, 06:14:59 AMI'm not sure you understand what sort of rare air this would be placing him him.
Or math
Or that he is shooting 16-34 from 3 in conference play
Quote from: willie warrior on January 23, 2025, 05:40:56 AMYes Tower I want Ben to shoot the corner 3, provided he can hit them at a 40% plus, and not clang them off the side of the rim. This means he must shoot 4plus 3s per game.
Hope he does this.
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