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MUScoop => Hangin' at the Al => Topic started by: wadesworld on January 14, 2025, 07:47:26 PM

Title: Zone Offense
Post by: wadesworld on January 14, 2025, 07:47:26 PM
They're screening the wrong player up top. You need to screen the guy furthest to the side of the court the ball handler is dribbling to. They're just setting a screen for the ball handler to dribble right in front of the other defender at the top of the zone, and then dribble back out, pass it once, hoist a three with no player or ball movement. And once you do screen the right player, you have to be aggressive getting into the middle of the zone. Just tentatively dribbling isn't going to do anything.
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 14, 2025, 08:49:48 PM
I was hoping Tower's thread title would be "End Zone"
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 14, 2025, 08:53:50 PM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 14, 2025, 08:49:48 PMI was hoping Tower's thread title would be "End Zone"

I think Twighlight Zone would be a better description.
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: rocky_warrior on January 14, 2025, 08:58:36 PM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on January 14, 2025, 08:53:50 PMI think Twighlight Zone would be a better description.

Seriously, even "Win Joplin we trust" would have been better.
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: ATL MU Warrior on January 14, 2025, 08:58:54 PM
You need to get the ball to the middle of the zone near the FT line, and we have started to do that. The problem is that the person who receives the pass there needs to do something with it.  Numerous times we'd get the ball to the right spot and we'd just dribble or pass it right back out to the perimeter. Turn and face the basket and there will be opportunities to do something positive.
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: tower912 on January 14, 2025, 09:00:35 PM
That title got changed 10 times in 20 minutes.   Damn near deleted the whole thing and walked away.
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: Scoop Snoop on January 14, 2025, 09:05:20 PM
Quote from: tower912 on January 14, 2025, 09:00:35 PMThat title got changed 10 times in 20 minutes.  Damn near deleted the whole thing and walked away.

I would not have blamed you one bit.

We won, but to employ a perfect British expression...

BLOODY AWFUL!
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: WellsstreetWanderer on January 14, 2025, 09:10:44 PM
We have had time to figure how we're going to attack a zone  appears that is all we are going to see
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: romey on January 14, 2025, 10:05:37 PM
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on January 14, 2025, 08:58:54 PMYou need to get the ball to the middle of the zone near the FT line, and we have started to do that. The problem is that the person who receives the pass there needs to do something with it.  Numerous times we'd get the ball to the right spot and we'd just dribble or pass it right back out to the perimeter. Turn and face the basket and there will be opportunities to do something positive.
Absolutely.  I saw Chase in there once and he made no effort whatsover to do anything but kick it back out and there was no one within 5 feet of him.  With his elevation, a teardrop or Oso-type push shot should be money.  Stevie did it too.  I think I finally saw them turn and score on one of them.
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: MU82 on January 14, 2025, 10:24:34 PM
Quote from: romey on January 14, 2025, 10:05:37 PMAbsolutely.  I saw Chase in there once and he made no effort whatsover to do anything but kick it back out and there was no one within 5 feet of him.  With his elevation, a teardrop or Oso-type push shot should be money.  Stevie did it too.  I think I finally saw them turn and score on one of them.

Stevie ran it right twice late in the game. On one, he kicked to a wide-open Chase who hit that big 3. And on the other, he took a dribble and scored on a short floater. I mean, it's not that hard, or at least it shouldn't be. As those examples show, it doesn't even have to be a big, though I'd think Gold could do pretty well there.

It would be nice to sit down with Shaka and talk to him about it, but alas rocky forgot to apply for Scoop's press pass.
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: tower912 on January 15, 2025, 06:27:47 AM
At times, MU started into the right first motion against the zone several times.  Different players flashed to the foul line at different times, Ben even dropped down to the short corner a couple of times for a dump off that never came.   Kam turned and missed floaters.  Stevie drove diagonally and got his shot swatted.  Chase turned, drove, flinched, passed the ball out.  Ben touched it for a nanosecond and passed it without making the defense react.

And then they went passive.   The greatest schemes in the history of basketball can be drawn up, but they mean nothing if the players stand still and don't attack.

At one point, I thought that DO should go in and flash to the foul line because at least he would attack the rim.

Patience is a virtue.  The journey continues.  Opponents have made an adjustment.  What will the counter be?
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: WarriorFan on January 15, 2025, 08:00:05 AM
The ideal guy to be in the FT line area against the zone given his court vision, passing capability and finesse towards the hoop would be Kam. 
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: tower912 on January 15, 2025, 08:06:07 AM
And he went there a few times last night.
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: TallTitan34 on January 15, 2025, 08:32:57 AM
Quote from: tower912 on January 15, 2025, 06:27:47 AMAt one point, I thought that DO should go in and flash to the foul line because at least he would attack the rim.

I've had this thought as well.
Title: Re: Zone Offense
Post by: Hards Alumni on January 16, 2025, 07:33:47 AM
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 14, 2025, 08:49:48 PMI was hoping Tower's thread title would be "End Zone"

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