What a great game. Ross was super. The 3 guys in the studio all picked Gt. What was wrong with Gold tonite? Couldn't hit anything, threw the ball away. Hope Jolpin can learn how to dribble and not lose the ball.
Quote from: Don_Kojis on January 07, 2025, 09:22:13 PMWhat a great game. Ross was super. The 3 guys in the studio all picked Gt. What was wrong with Gold tonite? Couldn't hit anything, threw the ball away. Hope Jolpin can learn how to dribble and not lose the ball.
Thanks
Jop played pretty well, especially down the stretch. Gold had a rough game, but at least made Sorber work for his buckets. They're not superstars but they're both very good.
Jop was fine. Hit some clutch buckets. Ben...man I don't know what to say. I guess his defense on Sorber was ok?
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2025, 09:23:25 PMJop played pretty well, especially down the stretch. Gold had a rough game, but at least made Sorber work for his buckets. They're not superstars but they're both very good.
As bad as Gold was offensively, he was good defensively. Helping, keeping Sorber under his average, 4 blocks, 4 steals.
Quote from: Tha Hound on January 07, 2025, 09:31:13 PMJop was fine. Hit some clutch buckets. Ben...man I don't know what to say. I guess his defense on Sorber was ok?
His D was not bad. His shooting was (especially the bunny that anyone else 6'11" would have jammed).
Joplin and Gold both played fine. I think the Gold played poorly opinion comes from the box score TO's. But those were on Owens and Joplin deciding to cut when they shouldnt have.
The issue tonight was the staff rotating in the first half like we were playing againist a DII team
Hopefully this thread does for Gold and Jop what the Chase Ross thread did for Chase.
Ben walled up multiple times on defense disrupting shots at the rim without fouling and played Sorber well. Had some good rebounds but also fumbled several. His hesitation on offense with the ball in his hands also was a little concerning tonight. Not giving up on him. Hopefully he learns from this game going against multiple players with that type of size and wing span.
Needs to do that dunking drill Shaka had Oso do when he first arrived in town. Those dunk opportunities can't be 50/50 front rim layups against better teams. They need to be 100% power dunks.
Quote from: Don_Kojis on January 07, 2025, 09:22:13 PMWhat a great game. Ross was super. The 3 guys in the studio all picked Gt. What was wrong with Gold tonite? Couldn't hit anything, threw the ball away. Hope Jolpin can learn how to dribble and not lose the ball.
The play-by-play guys were routing for the Hoyas too. Marquette ranked 7th in the country and all they could talk about was Sorber.
Ben was the only shot we had at defending their bigs down low. He did a nice job on that end.
His head didn't seem right. And he got hurt early in the 2nd half and had to go to the locker room, came back taped up. Was less mobile after that. We need him to be better, but will cut some slack for this one.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 07, 2025, 09:52:04 PMThe play-by-play guys were routing for the Hoyas too. Marquette ranked 7th in the country and all they could talk about was Sorber.
Lappas is a lap dog for whoever plays Marquette.
The game became a true joy when I turned on music and muted the game. Chase made the big dunk over the gtown player at the strings crescendo part of "Jesus, Etc." and Lappas was on mute. Pure perfection.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on January 07, 2025, 09:57:24 PMLappas is a lap dog for whoever plays Marquette.
The game became a true joy when I turned on music and muted the game. Chase made the big dunk over the gtown player at the strings crescendo part of "Jesus, Etc." and Lappas was on mute. Pure perfection.
He's repetitive as dickie simpkins but not as unintentionally funny.
He starting talking about the zone on the first possession — a full 5-7 mins before it was deployed and said the word zone 267 times. He's like that every time...gets a tidbit from a coach and there is your 2 hours.
Luckily I was at the game and didn't have to listen to Lappas, but that dude has blatantly cheered against Marquette every time I've listened to him. And I've had that misfortune 10-20 times. Not sure what that's about.
And he's a terrible color guy even when he's unbiased.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 07, 2025, 10:07:45 PMLuckily I was at the game and didn't have to listen to Lappas, but that dude has blatantly cheered against Marquette every time I've listened to him. And I've had that misfortune 10-20 times. Not sure what that's about.
And he's a terrible color guy even when he's unbiased.
Watch the replay on how hard they tried to jinx us at the FT line late 😂
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on January 07, 2025, 09:33:23 PMHis D was not bad. His shooting was (especially the bunny that anyone else 6'11" would have jammed).
Go back and watch the play..right as Gold jumped Kam ran right into his launch point and Gold stumbled on his launch as a result. Unfortunate sequence, but he still should have made the layup. Similar play later in the game he finished with dunk through contact. 37 minutes for Gold is a lot as he's giving up some strength to guys like Sorber.
Quote from: BM1090 on January 07, 2025, 09:55:58 PMBen was the only shot we had at defending their bigs down low. He did a nice job on that end.
His head didn't seem right. And he got hurt early in the 2nd half and had to go to the locker room, came back taped up. Was less mobile after that. We need him to be better, but will cut some slack for this one.
Didn't notice that Gold got hurt. Thanks for the observation.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 07, 2025, 10:02:06 PMHe's repetitive as dickie simpkins but not as unintentionally funny.
He starting talking about the zone on the first possession — a full 5-7 mins before it was deployed and said the word zone 267 times. He's like that every time...gets a tidbit from a coach and there is your 2 hours.
Yes, Lappas is bad ... but he wasn't wrong about what Marquette needed to do against the zone.
Quote from: MU82 on January 07, 2025, 10:10:12 PMYes, Lappas is bad ... but he wasn't wrong about what Marquette needed to do against the zone.
Oh did he share an idea about that too. Didn't notice!
Quote from: Don_Kojis on January 07, 2025, 09:22:13 PMWhat a great game. Ross was super. The 3 guys in the studio all picked Gt. What was wrong with Gold tonite? Couldn't hit anything, threw the ball away. Hope Jolpin can learn how to dribble and not lose the ball.
Wally and the coach picked GTown. Parrish went with MU. Georgetown's length bothered Kam all night. There's a reason the Hoyas are a top two point defensive team in the nation so far this year. It's tough to get the ball over that size in the paint.
Jop was okay on offense and Ben was terrible. Jop was good on defense and Ben was stellar. Both were overall positives tonight.
Sober is good. The announcers crew was hyping him. He had a double double. Because of switches. When Ben stayed home on Sorber, he absolutely stymied him.
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2025, 05:32:54 AMSober is good.
So far, maybe... but you really need 5 weeks to judge Dry January.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 07, 2025, 09:23:25 PMJop played pretty well, especially down the stretch. Gold had a rough game, but at least made Sorber work for his buckets. They're not superstars but they're both very good.
you feel Gold is 'very good'? Tonight some good things...4 stls /4 blks. But overall, I'd call him serviceable...more positive than negative.
Quote from: barfolomew on January 08, 2025, 08:13:26 AMSo far, maybe... but you really need 5 weeks to judge Dry January.
Beautifully done. That is so silly that I am not going to fix it.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 07, 2025, 09:52:04 PMThe play-by-play guys were routing for the Hoyas too. Marquette ranked 7th in the country and all they could talk about was Sorber.
Had to mute the game until we were back in the lead, and even then, it was painfully obvious they were still hoping Georgetown would come back and win.
Quote from: Viper on January 08, 2025, 08:16:28 AMyou feel Gold is 'very good'? Tonight some good things...4 stls /4 blks. But overall, I'd call him serviceable...more positive than negative.
I can't pretend to have solid knowledge on every college basketball team out there, but a blind guess is that Ben would start on, at minimum, 340 out of 364 college basketball teams. He's a very good college basketball player.
Quote from: Viper on January 08, 2025, 08:16:28 AMYou feel Gold is 'very good'? Tonight some good things...4 stls /4 blks. But overall, I'd call him serviceable...more positive than negative.
Yes.
https://x.com/PaintTouches/status/1877018846130786656?t=HRvNK9NI6dxZQldeZEAZHg&s=19
Quote from: Viper on January 08, 2025, 08:16:28 AMyou feel Gold is 'very good'? Tonight some good things...4 stls /4 blks. But overall, I'd call him serviceable...more positive than negative.
Argue with Shaka.
Ben had a tough night offensively, but he's really working his ass off on the other end.
Quote from: MUfan12 on January 08, 2025, 10:41:25 AMBen had a tough night offensively, but he's really working his ass off on the other end.
He is. If you have the games recorded, watch the Creighton and Georgetown games. Watch Ben's work on Kalkbrenner and Sorber. They both put up below average scoring numbers. More importantly, the damage they did was almost all when Ben was either on a switch or out of the game. When Ben locked up on them and stayed locked up on them, they were essentially neutralized.
If you REALLY want to a deep dive, do the same with the Maryland and Wisconsin games. Same pattern.
Ben can be beaten when he switches onto a quick guard at the 3 pt line. Related, opposing bigs are doing g their work down low with MU guards switched onto them
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 07, 2025, 09:52:04 PMThe play-by-play guys were routing for the Hoyas too. Marquette ranked 7th in the country and all they could talk about was Sorber.
And of course, the refs were out to get us. :-\ :-\ :-\
And Aikman & Buck hate the Packers. :-\ :-\ :-\
Don't people here get tired of these silly tropes? Lappas has been extremely complimentary about Marquette - sometimes overly so. He may be a poor to average color guy, but he has never 'hated' MU.
Back to the subject at hand - I'll go to war with Jop eight days a week.
Quote from: Jockey on January 08, 2025, 10:49:42 AMAnd of course, the refs were out to get us. :-\ :-\ :-\
And Aikman & Buck hate the Packers. :-\ :-\ :-\
Don't people here get tired of these silly tropes? Lappas has been extremely complimentary about Marquette - sometimes overly so. He may be a poor to average color guy, but he has never 'hated' MU.
Yeah it's really silly. When there's a potential upset brewing of course it's gonna feel like the announcing crew is rooting for it.
I watched back the second half last night and they weren't great, but I didn't sense a ton of bias. I did have to laugh at Lappas saying that the foul they mistakenly announced on Chase was a good call, only to change course after the replay.
Quote from: Jockey on January 08, 2025, 10:49:42 AMDon't people here get tired of these silly tropes?
I'll handle this one. No. Demonstrably, no.
Quote from: Jockey on January 08, 2025, 10:50:50 AMBack to the subject at hand - I'll go to war with Jop eight days a week.
Agreed.
I thought he only had one questionable decision all game -- the one-on-two "fast break" drive into the lane where he turned it over.
But I don't so much mind mistakes of aggression. He's trying to step on the Hoyas' necks at that point, which is what you want out of a senior leader.
Again, Lappas is bad. But the only time he actually made me go, "What???" was when he said that Sorber was killing Marquette.
I mean, Sorber is gonna be a stud and he drew our attention and he made an impact on D. But the guy had 11 points, 4 turnovers and 4 fouls. I'll take the opponent's best player killing us like that every game.
If Sorber killed us, what did Ross do to Georgetown? I need Muggsy's thesaurus!
My favorite Lappasism is that every time a team is down in the last minute, he says some version of "dont settle for a three, need a quick two" no matter the situation. A team could be down 9 with 10 seconds left and Lappas will be calling for the quick 2
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2025, 10:25:05 AMArgue with Shaka.
preferable to arguing with you, Mr 25102
Quote from: Viper on January 08, 2025, 01:18:23 PMpreferable to arguing with you, Mr 25102
We agree on that.
Quote from: MU82 on January 08, 2025, 11:06:05 AMAgain, Lappas is bad. But the only time he actually made me go, "What???" was when he said that Sorber was killing Marquette.
I mean, Sorber is gonna be a stud and he drew our attention and he made an impact on D. But the guy had 11 points, 4 turnovers and 4 fouls. I'll take the opponent's best player killing us like that every game.
If Sorber killed us, what did Ross do to Georgetown? I need Muggsy's thesaurus!
A huge impact on D though with the 5 blocks and altering other shots. MU only made 12-28 of its 2 point shots yesterday or 43%. As for Lappas, well the less said the better.
It's too bad we don't have another true big worth bringing off the bench when Gold is struggling.
Quote from: Markusquette on January 08, 2025, 01:36:32 PMIt's too bad we don't have another true big worth bringing off the bench when Gold is struggling.
The team has a week to help Caedin and Parham along.
Quote from: Markusquette on January 08, 2025, 01:36:32 PMIt's too bad we don't have another true big worth bringing off the bench when Gold is struggling.
Another reason I was surprised that they redshirted Clark. At the very least he could come in and be disruptive with his 7 foot height and 7+ foot wingspan.
I know exactly why they did it, but I was still surprised.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on January 08, 2025, 01:46:11 PMAnother reason I was surprised that they redshirted Clark. At the very least he could come in and be disruptive with his 7 foot height and 7+ foot wingspan.
I know exactly why they did it, but I was still surprised.
if Gold is 'very good' as you say, why blow a year of Clark's eligibility? Conjecture on my part, but the coaches must see Clark as raw? So, RS him as they did Hamilton last season, go with Gold good games & bad games, and hope Hamilton progresses? Speaking of Hamilton, his PT has decreased. What's your opinion...Due to some regression? Maybe in-game match-ups not to Hamilton's advantage? Other reason?
Quote from: Viper on January 08, 2025, 01:57:00 PMif Gold is 'very good' as you say, why blow a year of Clark's eligibility? Conjecture on my part, but the coaches must see Clark as raw? So, RS him as they did Hamilton last season, go with Gold good games & bad games, and hope Hamilton progresses? Speaking of Hamilton, his PT has decreased. What's your opinion...Due to some regression? Maybe in-game match-ups not to Hamilton's advantage? Other reason?
We're better with Ben on the court than Caedin. Ben's a very good college player.
Caedin's playing time has dipped because we're no longer playing Stony Brook, George Mason, Western Carolina, etc. He's played double digit minutes against 1 high major this year, and it was the first game against a high major. He's a big body who can give us some fouls when our other 2 bigs get into foul trouble.
Quote from: Viper on January 08, 2025, 01:57:00 PMif Gold is 'very good' as you say, why blow a year of Clark's eligibility? Conjecture on my part, but the coaches must see Clark as raw? So, RS him as they did Hamilton last season, go with Gold good games & bad games, and hope Hamilton progresses? Speaking of Hamilton, his PT has decreased. What's your opinion...Due to some regression? Maybe in-game match-ups not to Hamilton's advantage? Other reason?
You realize that Clark is redshirting right?
The progress of young, unheralded bigs is rarely as linear or as rapid as we would like. Considering what a project Ben was, I am thrilled with his progress. In regards to Caedin, I will again defer to Shaka. He is the biggest, baddest dude we have on the team. He needs to take it from practice to the game.
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2025, 02:13:05 PMThe progress of young, unheralded bigs is rarely as linear or as rapid as we would like. Considering what a project Ben was, I am thrilled with his progress. In regards to Caedin, I will again defer to Shaka. He is the biggest, baddest dude we have on the team. He needs to take it from practice to the game.
Honestly, I think Caedin is in a tough spot at the moment. The guys are used to the court spacing that Ben provides on the offensive end and Ben's ability to switch on the defensive end. Frankly, our offense and defense flows from those principles.
I have to laugh at some of the criticism of Ben and his perimeter defense. He's not Oso. But, he is holding up out there. Which is allowing MU to switch all ball screens, a key to the disruptive style that favors this group.
I agree with all of that.
Quote from: Viper on January 08, 2025, 01:57:00 PMif Gold is 'very good' as you say, why blow a year of Clark's eligibility? Conjecture on my part, but the coaches must see Clark as raw? So, RS him as they did Hamilton last season, go with Gold good games & bad games, and hope Hamilton progresses? Speaking of Hamilton, his PT has decreased. What's your opinion...Due to some regression? Maybe in-game match-ups not to Hamilton's advantage? Other reason?
Ben Gold is a Junior. He will be back next year too, so I don't think he factored into the decision to redshirt Clark. Clark is being redshirted just to give him another year of body development and experience around the college game...and I understand why Clark is redshirting, I'm just surprised they did because this team is missing true size up front and has Final Four potential.
He fills that size void and would give another capable body behind Ben particularly defensively.
Quote from: Jockey on January 08, 2025, 10:50:50 AMBack to the subject at hand - I'll go to war with Jop eight days a week.
That might be, just dont give him the ball and ask him to dribble through the enemy.
Quote from: willie warrior on January 08, 2025, 04:04:36 PMThat might be, just dont give him the ball and ask him to dribble through the enemy.
I doubt Sun Tzu thinks that's good strategy.
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2025, 01:37:49 PMThe team has a week to help Caedin and Parham along.
That should do it.....
Hopefully doesn't hurt.
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2025, 04:55:29 PMHopefully doesn't hurt.
The only thing a week of no games is doing for those two is getting Royce's ankle healthy. He is a freshman and I am thrilled what we have seen.
A week of practice isnt going to change Caedin's trajectory this season. But I gotta admire the optimism.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 08, 2025, 02:02:39 PMWe're better with Ben on the court than Caedin. Ben's a very good college player.
Caedin's playing time has dipped because we're no longer playing Stony Brook, George Mason, Western Carolina, etc. He's played double digit minutes against 1 high major this year, and it was the first game against a high major. He's a big body who can give us some fouls when our other 2 bigs get into foul trouble.
Ben is very good. Naw. He's serviceable. He does nothing 'very good'. It's disrespectful to a very good college player such as a Chase Ross or Stevie Mitchell to say Gold is very good. Ben better than Caedin? Sure. Absolutely. But very good would imply all-conference. BG ain't all-conference. In fact, he's the weak link in the starting 5. Again, serviceable. Not 'very good'.
For me, the week off gives the young guys to really drill down on defensive rotations. To practice the offense where you cannot shoot until you have reversed the ball and gone through several actions.
In my head, the goal is to get the bench to be able to mix in with the starters and not have a drop off. Like Tre did last night or Zaide vs. Creighton
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2025, 06:19:51 PMFor me, the week off gives the young guys to really drill down on defensive rotations. To practice the offense where you cannot shoot until you have reversed the ball and gone through several actions.
In my head, the goal is to get the bench to be able to mix in with the starters and not have a drop off. Like Tre did last night or Zaide vs. Creighton
...this, we agree! 100%
Quote from: Viper on January 08, 2025, 06:13:16 PMBen is very good. Naw. He's serviceable. He does nothing 'very good'. It's disrespectful to a very good college player such as a Chase Ross or Stevie Mitchell to say Gold is very good. Ben better than Caedin? Sure. Absolutely. But very good would imply all-conference. BG ain't all-conference. In fact, he's the weak link in the starting 5. Again, serviceable. Not 'very good'.
Neither Stevie nor Chase will make an All Conference team. So guess they aren't "very good" either.
RED is full of very good players, though.
Quote from: wadesworld on January 08, 2025, 06:51:00 PMNeither Stevie nor Chase will make an All Conference team. So guess they aren't "very good" either.
RED is full of very good players, though.
sarcasm aside, Stevie might. No player better on D, imo
Quote from: Viper on January 08, 2025, 08:10:28 PMsarcasm aside, Stevie might. No player better on D, imo
I hope he does because he deserves it, but these teams are usually based on the offensive side of the ball.
Another successfully motivational Scoop thread.
Who should Scoop elevate for next?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on January 14, 2025, 10:39:49 PMAnother successfully motivational Scoop thread.
Who should Scoop elevate for next?
The bench.