No AI this time. Early this morning I perma-banned a few well-known Scoopers. Some might claim it was because I disagreed with their politics. That is 100% untrue.
However, I did have ideological differences with them - I don't believe it's okay to interfere in other Scoopers *actual* lives just because you had an internet difference with them. This started several years ago, and keefe took most of the blame. Unfortunately it has continued, at at a minimum they knew the others were spreading around undisclosed personal information about other Scoopers. Worse, some were actually spreading that information and/or using it.
I probably should have taken more drastic action years ago. I'm angry and embarrassed that this has continued.
Edit: I had some suspicions Lennys Tap may have been involved too, but have been in contact with him and believe I was mistaken. Sorry Lenny.
RIP Hilltopper
I'm sure that wasn't the ideal ending Rocky, you have a thankless job that the hundreds of millions in ad revenue doesn't come close to covering.
Civility is officially dead.
Too bad it had to come to this - I wouldn't want to be a member of a place that knowingly condoned those types of actions.
Somethings don't need to be so serious - this is one of them.
Arby's
Thank you for all of your hard work.
Sorry to hear Rocky.
I just can't believe people would engage in activities like that over anything said here let alone after already giving someone a ban after doing the same previosly.
Thanks again for MUScoop and moderating (even for a board software upgrade).
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 06, 2025, 12:13:13 PMEarly this morning I perma-banned a few well-known Scoopers.
I guess since I'm reading this, I survived the cleansing. Whew!
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2025, 12:58:30 PMThank you for all of your hard work.
Pawz
Ps - congrats on last night. Hope we meet again in a couple weeks.
Well played.
And, it was fun. I feel like Darnold was not good, but the OC was not prepared for the blitzing and failed to adjust the play calling. Campbell said it to O'Connell. See you in a couple of weeks.
Wow
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2025, 12:58:30 PMThank you for all of your hard work.
It's not much work, but when it is, it's not fun.
Appreciate your work in letting fans have a place to discuss MUBB. Having looked through other teams' message boards and Dodds's site, this is definitely the best format I've seen out there. Sucks grown men continue putting you in the situation where you have to step in.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 06, 2025, 01:18:02 PMI guess since I'm reading this, I survived the cleansing. Whew!
Actually it's the opposite, the Scoop Rapture happened, and all the good souls went to the most perfect MUBB message you could ever imagine, and all us sinners are left behind (and Rocky saw an opportunity to lead us).
Quote from: wadesworld on January 06, 2025, 01:34:46 PMAppreciate your work in letting fans have a place to discuss MUBB. Having looked through other teams' message boards and Dodds's site, this is definitely the best format I've seen out there. Sucks grown men continue putting you in the situation where you have to step in.
You aren't joking. There are some terrible formats out there.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 06, 2025, 03:03:07 PMYou aren't joking. There are some terrible formats out there.
Buckyville is unreadable
Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 06, 2025, 03:11:18 PMBuckyville is unreadable
Little to do with the format though ;)
I think Georgetown had a message board that looks like it was created when Al Gore created the Internet.
Quote from: reinko on January 06, 2025, 02:30:57 PMActually it's the opposite, the Scoop Rapture happened, and all the good souls went to the most perfect MUBB message you could ever imagine, and all us sinners are left behind (and Rocky saw an opportunity to lead us).
Exactly. I survived the cleansing. ;)
Muggsy will complain about the lack of respect for the Doxx-unds. Terribly understood little creatures who deserve our respect.
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2025, 03:16:02 PMMuggsy will complain about the lack of respect for the Doxx-unds. Terribly understood little creatures who deserve our respect.
He is too busy worrying about Banatees
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 06, 2025, 03:03:07 PMYou aren't joking. There are some terrible formats out there.
Does ND still have the absolute worst most archaic nested format in existence?
Quote from: JWags85 on January 06, 2025, 04:09:23 PMDoes ND still have the absolute worst most archaic nested format in existence?
Their message board isn't great either.
Would I be correct in assuming that The Cleansing (TM) included removing one or more threads?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 06, 2025, 04:52:14 PMWould I be correct in assuming that The Cleansing (TM) included removing one or more threads?
Apparently
I don't get this. If anyone wants to know who I am, all they have to do is PM me. I have "met" quite a few scoopers that way - though never in person.
Hopefully 4ever is one of the ban-ees. He went so far as finding out the name of the owner of the company I worked for at the time and then mentioning it here.
Quote from: Jockey on January 06, 2025, 05:05:34 PMI don't get this. If anyone wants to know who I am, all they have to do is PM me. I have "met" quite a few scoopers that way - though never in person.
Hopefully 4ever is one of the ban-ees. He went so far as finding out the name of the owner of the company I worked for at the time and then mentioning it here.
1. I'm not DMing you, that's a trap
2. Internet stalking is creepy and I'm sorry that happened to you.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 06, 2025, 05:37:10 PM1. I'm not DMing you, that's a trap
2. Internet stalking is creepy and I'm sorry that happened to you.
I wasn't asking. :)
Usually it is someone whose views on several threads align with mine - not saying I have any big disagreements with you.
Quote from: Jockey on January 06, 2025, 05:05:34 PMI don't get this. If anyone wants to know who I am, all they have to do is PM me. I have "met" quite a few scoopers that way - though never in person.
Hopefully 4ever is one of the ban-ees. He went so far as finding out the name of the owner of the company I worked for at the time and then mentioning it here.
Dentists have quite a bit of free time, eh?
Quote from: jesmu84 on January 06, 2025, 06:06:59 PMDentists have quite a bit of free time, eh?
Violent crime is down
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 06, 2025, 05:37:10 PM2. Internet stalking is creepy and I'm sorry that happened to you.
Ive always been curious what makes people crack in that regard. Its such a strange thing to me, especially when its "normal" everyday people and not the terminally online basement trolls who are very much the fuel for the stereotype.
I frequented an unrelated message board in my mid 20s that was a really eclectic mix of people. One guy who was my age and also Chicago based at the time PM'd me a few times about Chicago stuff I'd posted/commented on and we struck up a friendship of sorts. He'd done it with a few others so he organized drinks one Saturday afternoon with 4-5 of us, mixed gender gathering. Everyone was normal and friendly. He and I ended up becoming fast friends and was someone I hung out with 1-2 times a week and I still talk to weekly, even no longer being in Chicago.
However, turns out one of the other guys started messaging another female from the board, found out where she worked, emailed her work email when she stopped replying to PMs. All sorts of unhinged nonsense. And he was a seemingly normal outgoing dude with a good job and a cool dog. It was just so strange.
TLDR, Internet stalking is strange and seems to afflict all spectrum of peoples.
I'll never understand why people try to harm others in their real life on a message board.
I try to keep who I am under wraps for that reason, although there are a couple on here who know who I am, because I've given them some career advice.
Even those I disagree with, I'd go out of my way to help them in real life if they needed it, i.e. find a job, whatever. I just don't understand how/why others would actually try to harm people on a message board.
Was this scoop's Red Wedding?
Not my thing, either. I also don't take generic message board banter all that personally. Looking at the histories of the posters involved, it appears message board grudges carried over to real life. Sad.
Going through threads to see who has been culled :D
They'd be a lot happier if they got high more often and drank a grape soda or two
Bummed I can't go to Goolsby's on my next Milwaukee trip
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2025, 08:25:11 PMBummed I can't go to Goolsby's on my next Milwaukee trip
MECCA Sports Bar calling your name.
Yup.
I'm an ass on Reddit and things have gotten heated on here at times but overall this is an alumni/fan forum it's insane people would be so petty to get that personal when the network is MUs main selling point.
I doxxed myself years ago back when I had less to lose and pride of an argument was everything. I have only looked up 2 posters on Facebook like a decade ago (who I didn't already know) because they were a year older and 2 yrs younger respectively so I was curious if we crossed paths.
Quote from: JWags85 on January 06, 2025, 07:44:32 PMIve always been curious what makes people crack in that regard. Its such a strange thing to me, especially when its "normal" everyday people and not the terminally online basement trolls who are very much the fuel for the stereotype.
I frequented an unrelated message board in my mid 20s that was a really eclectic mix of people. One guy who was my age and also Chicago based at the time PM'd me a few times about Chicago stuff I'd posted/commented on and we struck up a friendship of sorts. He'd done it with a few others so he organized drinks one Saturday afternoon with 4-5 of us, mixed gender gathering. Everyone was normal and friendly. He and I ended up becoming fast friends and was someone I hung out with 1-2 times a week and I still talk to weekly, even no longer being in Chicago.
However, turns out one of the other guys started messaging another female from the board, found out where she worked, emailed her work email when she stopped replying to PMs. All sorts of unhinged nonsense. And he was a seemingly normal outgoing dude with a good job and a cool dog. It was just so strange.
TLDR, Internet stalking is strange and seems to afflict all spectrum of peoples.
Im of the belief that no human can truly handle the internet. The sheer amount of information available and the power (or at least illusion of it) that it can bring is too overwhelming for our brains to handle. None of us who use it completely avoid some of its negative side effects but most of us have enough sense or willpower to at least come out with enough positives that it balances the negatives. But there are some who truly can't handle it. They are broken by the internet. Somehow their online lives become important enough to compromise their offline values.
I used to think this group was exceedingly small. But I worry the more immersive this technology becomes, the harder it will be to not be broken. My daughter turned five today. Decision I'm most dreading is when to allow her a device with an internet connection.
Sorry for the doom rant, but the question you're curious about is also something I've wondered about a lot
I think many of us have been curious enough in our lifetime to see if we have encountered each other or crossed paths, but only if that information has been offered up freely. (How many dentists can there really be in East Troy, if you really wanted to know I guess you could figure it out).
I have a couple very close friends who I gained through starting out on an internet community and we send each other local goodies at least a couple times a year and chat weekly. You can find likeminded people who share your interests and connect with them when you otherwise would not have and that's positive.
On the flip side, trying to harm or destroy someone's livelihood because you don't like them on a college basketball message board is psychotic behavior and I hope this sort of degenerate behavior does not translate to friends and loved ones in real life. I'm not particularly subtle in my disdain for some opinions but at the end of the day we are all tough guys when it's a keyboard as our weapon of choice. Nothing I say or do here is going to change the way I live day to day.
The complete and utter inability to denounce Keefe's actions meant to me that they not only were indifferent, but condone it. And it makes me sad that a community as strong as Marquette's would have people like this. I have gone out of my way for alums in career matters, and others have helped me as well in return. If you don't want to be a productive member of the family, then just don't engage.
Perhaps take up Pickleball instead, we know a guy who can hook you up after all.
That being said there's been some absolutely tremendous content here from crackpots and weirdos. Hard to replace that sort of entertainment
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on January 06, 2025, 09:13:14 PMIm of the belief that no human can truly handle the internet. The sheer amount of information available and the power (or at least illusion of it) that it can bring is too overwhelming for our brains to handle. None of us who use it completely avoid some of its negative side effects but most of us have enough sense or willpower to at least come out with enough positives that it balances the negatives. But there are some who truly can't handle it. They are broken by the internet. Somehow their online lives become important enough to compromise their offline values.
I used to think this group was exceedingly small. But I worry the more immersive this technology becomes, the harder it will be to not be broken. My daughter turned five today. Decision I'm most dreading is when to allow her a device with an internet connection.
Sorry for the doom rant, but the question you're curious about is also something I've wondered about a lot
I think the biggest thing I'm going to impress upon my son, and something that I need to remind myself of ALL THE TIME, is that the internet (especially social media and anywhere you can shotgun opinions recklessly) is not real life.
There is that classic and funny Tyler the Creator tweet (paraphrasing)..."how is cyber bullying real? Dude, just walk away from the screen, close your eyes" And really, while its not the easy cause the internet is SO pervasive and consumes, its that simple.
The whole idea of "go touch grass" is pretty profound. With algorithms and feed personalization, you can see 25 of a similar crazy/doomer/unhinged/depressing perspective and it feels like its the actual prevailing opinion or reality when its likely a minuscule fragment of people.
Turn it off, walk away, do something "real" and you can avoid A LOT. And its something I'm trying to do every day in 2025.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 06, 2025, 09:27:11 PMThe complete and utter inability to denounce Keefe's actions meant to me that they not only were indifferent, but condone it. And it makes me sad that a community as strong as Marquette's would have people like this. I have gone out of my way for alums in career matters, and others have helped me as well in return. If you don't want to be a productive member of the family, then just don't engage.
It kind of goes to what I said a few posts above. I was a Keefe (more accurately Crash) fan, which it why it was so bothersome and disappointing that it happened. He was incredibly generous, thoughtful, and helpful to me on an interpersonal level. Assisted me with some professional and social things that some of my extended family wouldn't even do. Granted, most of that happened when he was still just posting a bunch of haikus and bragging a bit much. But even as he got more out there, we still had good and helpful conversations offline.
But despite how I felt about him personally, I couldn't condone or shrug off that sort of thing (I couldn't even do that for any friend or family that did it, its just lunatic behavior). I didn't feel the need to excessively extrapolate it to his overall character and rail on it here, but I could understand why those who didn't have a relationship with him outside of his posting history would.
I don't mind being disagreed with here. I like it. Have a creative thought. Back it up. Defend it with all of your might. Accept that you, too, will be challenged.
I don't mind being insulted. The worst insult I have received here here does not reach the top 10 during an average single shift at the fire department. Insults here amuse me. The more creative the better. I rarely take them seriously.
Friends, it is a message board full of MU fans. Except some trolls. But even they are funny in their own way. It is a crowded sports bar with a 100 conversations going on at once, except when the game is on. Of course we are going to disagree. Duh. And sometimes, you grow up and your old sports bar loses some appeal. Too loud, too noisy. Life.
We all have left the bar muttering about some stupid SOB. Most of us have been the stupid SOB at some point.
Don't be the creepy guys in the corner.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 06, 2025, 12:13:13 PMEarly this morning I perma-banned a few well-known Scoopers. Some might claim it was because I disagreed with their politics. That is 100% untrue.
......
I probably should have taken more drastic action years ago. I'm angry and embarrassed that this has continued.
What a wacky coincidence this was done, after all these "years", "early this morning" of... January 6th.
Anyway, there are some bad people in DC and I hope we beat the crap out of em tonight. Cooley & his bois need to be reminded that they are not very good. Very soft 12-2 record. Have fun playing Wednesday at MSG, Hoyas.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 06, 2025, 04:52:14 PMWould I be correct in assuming that The Cleansing (TM) included removing one or more threads?
One was moved that I had muddied up. I could put it back. Another, completely unrelated, was accidentally deleted by another mod (the hammer doesn't just ban, it's incredibly powerful, it can smash threads out of existence)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2025, 06:40:17 AMOne was moved that I had muddied up. I could put it back. Another, completely unrelated, was accidentally deleted by another mod (the hammer doesn't just ban, it's incredibly powerful, it can smash threads out of existence)
The Buzz Williams leaving to VT Craptacular thread!?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2025, 06:40:17 AM(the hammer doesn't just ban, it's incredibly powerful, it can smash threads out of existence)
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Quote from: Galway Eagle on January 06, 2025, 09:04:02 PMI doxxed myself years ago back
I do want to address this - not your particular case, but self-dox in particular. Or, let's say, the unintended dox.
There are cases, where folks - engaging in a friendly conversation, probably mentioned too much about themselves. The "dentists", and/or their office locations is a great example of this. Regardless of them mentioning it, none of us should be using it against them, or as a "gotcha". I won't say I'm guiltless in this, just acknowledging it should stop.
Another is from information that we've read here, whether shared by that particular poster or not. Sorry but I'll use
@MU82 as an example. His real first name has been used on the forum more times than I know. Probably because he's a friendly guy and has personally interacted with several of us. But that's information we should't be putting in public for him. Staying in his realm, a couple weeks ago I make a (poor) joke about an old article of his that was certainly originally used here as a dox. It had been mentioned so many times that it was just a memory at that point. I didn't mean any additional harm, and PM'd to apologize, but it still didn't justify my regurgitation.
In the now removed thread, someone had made a joke about another poster that maybe he wasn't posting "because he is at home and not at the office". WTF? How would you know that? Why would you care where someone posts from? And why was his workplace mentioned on the forum the previous few weeks? That is, in part, what got me really angry.
Anyhow, I'm just saying, be careful what you share, be even more careful what you re-post. I don't *think* most of it is intended to be malicious. But, you don't really know where that line is for someone else.
/nuff said
Guilty (puts hand in the air)
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2025, 08:13:17 AMGuilty (puts hand in the air)
I should probably quit posting when I lunch or dine with movers and shakers like my lunch this afternoon with Jimmy Cargill
I joined this board on November 2006.
Not too long after its creation.
Four head coaches ago (Crean).
Has this board just become a site for camouflaged cyber bullies?
Next we'll have whining about "HIPAA" if someone mention's Sean Jones' knee.
#MUcurtain
In tonight's game thread, please, no mention of Cooley's endeavors outside of bball!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2025, 08:08:54 AMThere are cases, where folks - engaging in a friendly conversation, probably mentioned too much about themselves. The "dentists", and/or their office locations is a great example of this. Regardless of them mentioning it, none of us should be using it against them, or as a "gotcha". I won't say I'm guiltless in this, just acknowledging it should stop.
I'm aware that I've posted information that would allow someone to easily identify me if they were so inclined. It certainly would not surprise me if over the years a person or two has done so, but I'm not very interesting...so who knows. I'm thankful that nobody has ever "used it against [me]" just as I would never use it against anyone else.
Ok Catherine!
https://www.tumblr.com/stillawarrior
Actually, I don't know that you're *not* Catherine.
Sometime last year I posted a (intended) joke that someone would still have an AOL email address, such as rocky_warrior@aol.com (that's not me). I quickly got a PM to please take it down because it was their real email address. whoops!
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2025, 09:10:17 AMOk Catherine!
https://www.tumblr.com/stillawarrior (https://www.tumblr.com/stillawarrior)
Damn it!
Please don't tell my squad leader I post here...he's a badger fan.
Question answered.
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 07, 2025, 09:39:45 AMQuestion answered.
What was the answer?
Did you really think I was cyber-bullying
@StillAWarrior?
Do you think I would have posted that link if I *really* thought it was him?
If
@StillAWarrior warrior had an account (with the same user name) on a Notre Dame message board and I posted a link to his profile there, is that cyber-bullying? (my answer: possibly, it depends on the context).
Quote from: NCMUFan on January 07, 2025, 08:31:06 AMHas this board just become a site for camouflaged cyber bullies?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2025, 09:43:47 AMWhat was the answer?
My answer to the question would be that it's similar to Godwin's law...the longer a message board exists, it becomes inevitable that it will just be a site for camouflaged cyber bullies?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2025, 09:43:47 AMDid you really think I was cyber-bullying @StillAWarrior?
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Ok legit question, if we run into another UDpride situation are we allowed to cyber bully? What about that VCU troll from the 2014 coach search?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 07, 2025, 09:01:12 AMI'm aware that I've posted information that would allow someone to easily identify me if they were so inclined. It certainly would not surprise me if over the years a person or two has done so, but I'm not very interesting...so who knows. I'm thankful that nobody has ever "used it against [me]" just as I would never use it against anyone else.
I believe I've recognized a couple of scoopers based solely on their posts about what they were doing in that particular day.
Ive also met a couple of scoopers in real life, either buying tickets from them, or just happening to sit down near them.
But dang, to call someone's work over a forum argument...
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 07, 2025, 11:10:46 AMI believe I've recognized a couple of scoopers based solely on their posts about what they were doing in that particular day.
[trigger warning: Cyber bullying ahead] You saw Ners dunking too???
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 07, 2025, 11:17:08 AM[trigger warning: Cyber bullying ahead] You saw Ners dunking too???
Man, back in my younger years I could touch the rim and tried to get ners to come out to ball in the Falls.
The part that I don't understand (once you accept that the internet can bring out the worst in people) is how, after you saw your buddy get caught and punished for this kind of behavior, you decide to and do the same thing. Like, what did you expect was going to happen?
Quote from: StillAWarrior on January 07, 2025, 09:01:12 AMI'm aware that I've posted information that would allow someone to easily identify me if they were so inclined. It certainly would not surprise me if over the years a person or two has done so, but I'm not very interesting...so who knows. I'm thankful that nobody has ever "used it against [me]" just as I would never use it against anyone else.
We should meet. I take great pride in being boring, so I'm sure we would get along well.
Quote from: #UnleashSean on January 07, 2025, 11:10:46 AMI believe I've recognized a couple of scoopers based solely on their posts about what they were doing in that particular day.
Ive also met a couple of scoopers in real life, either buying tickets from them, or just happening to sit down near them.
But dang, to call someone's work over a forum argument...
I enjoyed meeting several scoopers in Indy last season.
I'm guessing we exchanged actual names at some point but ten months later all I remember are the usernames I met.
Quote from: Its DJOver on January 07, 2025, 11:23:24 AMThe part that I don't understand (once you accept that the internet can bring out the worst in people) is how, after you saw your buddy get caught and punished for this kind of behavior, you decide to and do the same thing. Like, what did you expect was going to happen?
After the Keefe ban, I always wondered what would happen if someone tried to do to me.
But it occured to me it would never be an issue. At my previous employer only 3 people were answering the phone and one of them was me. The other two people were more likely than me to tell that person to F' off. I work from home the last 6 months, so I'm the only one answering now.
I did deal with a doxing situation at my last job. All website inquiries came to my email. We hired an operator who was a nice person but definitely wayyyy out there. Some anonymous person made a website inquiry along the lines of "I can't believe you hired Kevin, he got a Policeman fired and was heard often making bad ethnic comments." (It was nastier than this.)
When I shared with the hiring persons they said they knew because he was honest in his interview and shared and also went through some rehab and apparently the policeman story was public news and the cop illegally puled him over for malicious reasons that came out in the investigation and led to the firing.
I'll save you guys the trouble.
I'm a male exotic dancer in Gary, Indiana who goes by the name "Diener-o".
That's just shameless self promotion. At least pass out a couple "no cover" cards that we can hand to our lady friends.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 07, 2025, 12:59:06 PMI enjoyed meeting several scoopers in Indy last season.
I'm guessing we exchanged actual names at some point but ten months later all I remember are the usernames I met.
Pretty sure I walked up to you and said hi. I was trying to find scoopers.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 07, 2025, 01:48:30 PMThat's just shameless self promotion. At least pass out a couple "no cover" cards that we can hand to our lady friends.
I'll take one too, always value benchmarking the craft as the worst stripper west of the Rockies "Rick Major-Ass"
Quote from: tower912 on January 07, 2025, 01:48:57 PMPretty sure I walked up to you and said hi. I was trying to find scoopers.
Yes!
And the restaurant/bar wouldn't allow Paint Touches in because he had his kid. I had no idea that was a thing in Indy.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 06, 2025, 12:13:13 PMNo AI this time. Early this morning I perma-banned a few well-known Scoopers. Some might claim it was because I disagreed with their politics. That is 100% untrue.
However, I did have ideological differences with them - I don't believe it's okay to interfere in other Scoopers *actual* lives just because you had an internet difference with them. This started several years ago, and keefe took most of the blame. Unfortunately it has continued, at at a minimum they knew the others were spreading around undisclosed personal information about other Scoopers. Worse, some were actually spreading that information and/or using it.
I probably should have taken more drastic action years ago. I'm angry and embarrassed that this has continued.
Edit: I had some suspicions Lennys Tap may have been involved too, but have been in contact with him and believe I was mistaken. Sorry Lenny.
Where is 82? Now that he is in Seattle hope he is not collateral damage. /s
Quote from: muwarrior69 on January 07, 2025, 03:10:57 PMWhere is 82? Now that he is in Seattle hope he is not collateral damage. /s
I am alive and well and, yes, in Seattle.
Quote from: MU82 on January 07, 2025, 03:22:25 PMI am alive and well and, yes, in Seattle.
Sleepless, we hope not.
Quote from: MU82 on January 07, 2025, 03:22:25 PMI am alive and well and, yes, in Seattle.
You survived the culling!
Though I highly doubted you were doxxing people.
I've met a lot of Scoopers in person. A LOT.
Never met Ners (well, I don't think I have). Years ago challenged him to a 3 point shooting contest for cash. Thought he was gonna do it, but never happened.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on January 07, 2025, 01:52:22 PMYes!
And the restaurant/bar wouldn't allow Paint Touches in because he had his kid. I had no idea that was a thing in Indy.
Indiana has such backwards laws about kids in bars.
By way of clarification, a few points as I understand them:
There were evidently 2 serious doxxing incidents that occurred a few years ago - both Wades and Sultan's employers were notified by someone that they were spending a lot of the workday posting on Scoop. The attack on Wades was openly discussed on Scoop. I never even heard of the one on Sultan until yesterday. The mods investigated and determined that the someone was keefe. Contrary to what at least one poster has asserted in this thread, EVERYONE, including those friendly with keefe, condemned the actions, including yours truly and the 4 people currently banned. Rocky says that keefe took most of the blame, which I think implies that others here were involved. From everything I know, this is patently false and giving that impression is unfair.
Those attacks on Wades and Sultan were despicable but nothing remotely like them has been repeated. Furthermore, I don't believe any current Scoop member would do such a thing. But I very much understand, given what happened in the past, that Sultan would and should be more sensitive to anything about his personal life being mentioned than others might be. And I agree with Rocky that attacks on Scoopers (even as jokes) for who they are and what they do rather than what they say has become sport on Scoop and should stop - and the guilty includes a whole lot of us.
Self reflection is good, and I thank Rocky for making all who are even a little self aware engage in some. I'll try to be better.
I wasn't going to comment on this at all but Lenny's "meat eater redemption post" needs to be addressed.
These are absolute facts:
**I have never disclosed my actual name, location or workplace here. The only reason that ever got out is when I bought MU tickets from a Scooper who has long since stopped posting here. This was over a decade ago.
**After the keefe incident, a few people continued to use my name and mention my employer here. I asked those people to stop, both by public post and through DM.
**Despite this, they continued and actually ratcheted up the past couple of months. This culminated with a poster flat out posting where I work and another where I live. All within the past couple of weeks.
**The only thing I have done is report a post or two to the mods. I have never asked anyone to be banned.
But let's be clear. This is insanely creepy behavior. Especially when being asked repeatedly to refrain from doing it.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 07, 2025, 11:02:42 PMBy way of clarification, a few points as I understand them:
There were evidently 2 serious doxxing incidents that occurred a few years ago - both Wades and Sultan's employers were notified by someone that they were spending a lot of the workday posting on Scoop. The attack on Wades was openly discussed on Scoop. I never even heard of the one on Sultan until yesterday. The mods investigated and determined that the someone was keefe. Contrary to what at least one poster has asserted in this thread, EVERYONE, including those friendly with keefe, condemned the actions, including yours truly and the 4 people currently banned. Rocky says that keefe took most of the blame, which I think implies that others here were involved. From everything I know, this is patently false and giving that impression is unfair.
Those attacks on Wades and Sultan were despicable but nothing remotely like them has been repeated. Furthermore, I don't believe any current Scoop member would do such a thing. But I very much understand, given what happened in the past, that Sultan would and should be more sensitive to anything about his personal life being mentioned than others might be. And I agree with Rocky that attacks on Scoopers (even as jokes) for who they are and what they do rather than what they say has become sport on Scoop and should stop - and the guilty includes a whole lot of us.
Self reflection is good, and I thank Rocky for making all who are even a little self aware engage in some. I'll try to be better.
Bruh...
Quote from: The Sultan on January 08, 2025, 04:31:51 AMI wasn't going to comment on this at all but Lenny's "meat eater redemption post" needs to be addressed.
These are absolute facts:
**I have never disclosed my actual name, location or workplace here. The only reason that ever got out is when I bought MU tickets from a Scooper who has long since stopped posting here. This was over a decade ago.
**After the keefe incident, a few people continued to use my name and mention my employer here. I asked those people to stop, both by public post and through DM.
**Despite this, they continued and actually ratcheted up the past couple of months. This culminated with a poster flat out posting where I work and another where I live. All within the past couple of weeks.
**The only thing I have done is report a post or two to the mods. I have never asked anyone to be banned.
But let's be clear. This is insanely creepy behavior. Especially when being asked repeatedly to refrain from doing it.
Idk if it makes you feel any better but I don't know your name, where you live, or where you work.
Imo, to well adjusted people that doesn't matter unless you're friends in real life that catch up regularly.
That's creepy as hell though sorry you delt with that.
Edit: literally the reason why I wouldn't buy tickets from a scooper, though. One jump from that to my LinkedIn.
Quote from: The Lens on January 07, 2025, 05:10:08 PMIndiana has such backwards laws about kids in bars.
And if anything, it was more of a restaurant than bar.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on January 08, 2025, 08:50:24 AMIdk if it makes you feel any better but I don't know your name, where you live, or where you work.
Imo, to well adjusted people that doesn't matter unless you're friends in real life that catch up regularly.
That's creepy as hell though sorry you delt with that.
Edit: literally the reason why I wouldn't buy tickets from a scooper, though. One jump from that to my LinkedIn.
On top of creating this headache, the game sucked. MU won but it was pretty dull.
And it's really more of an annoyance than anything. Even the keefe thing was a bunch of nothing. So its really not been a big deal.
Quote from: The Sultan on January 08, 2025, 04:31:51 AMI wasn't going to comment on this at all but Lenny's "meat eater redemption post" needs to be addressed.
These are absolute facts:
**I have never disclosed my actual name, location or workplace here. The only reason that ever got out is when I bought MU tickets from a Scooper who has long since stopped posting here. This was over a decade ago.
**After the keefe incident, a few people continued to use my name and mention my employer here. I asked those people to stop, both by public post and through DM.
**Despite this, they continued and actually ratcheted up the past couple of months. This culminated with a poster flat out posting where I work and another where I live. All within the past couple of weeks.
**The only thing I have done is report a post or two to the mods. I have never asked anyone to be banned.
But let's be clear. This is insanely creepy behavior. Especially when being asked repeatedly to refrain from doing it.
I don't know if 4ever was the guy that did this to you too. I do know that if he had called my boss to report anything about me, my boss would have made a beeline to my desk asking me if I wanted him to destroy the guy - and considering my boss was the most tech savvy guy I've ever known in the business, it would have been easy. So I doubt that 4ever followed through with any actions on his discovery of who I am.
But as I said earlier, I really don't care if people know who I am.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on January 07, 2025, 11:02:42 PMContrary to what at least one poster has asserted in this thread, EVERYONE, including those friendly with keefe, condemned the actions, including yours truly and the 4 people currently banned. Rocky says that keefe took most of the blame, which I think implies that others here were involved. From everything I know, this is patently false and giving that impression is unfair.
Self reflection is good, and I thank Rocky for making all who are even a little self aware engage in some. I'll try to be better.
This is patently false your initial reaction, after Rocky posted the proof of IP addresses matching keefe's account, was to qualify with a head in the sand "I have no idea what did or didn't happen" so what you were saying isn't condemning the actual action of a person rather you turn it into a hypothetical. Essentially, it becomes "well I don't know if my friend did or didn't attack that person but in general attacking a person is wrong." Even after seeing the evidence. See how that's different than "my friend attacked that person and they were wrong for that". It's wasn't till page 8 and your 4th response that you eventually said it was wrong and didn't attempt to make any qualifiers of he's a great guy, or I'm unsure whether he did or didn't do something or the second post where you took a different approach saying "he probably meant it more as a joke, the guys smart he would've known it wouldn't get someone fired" which at the time I agreed with but in hindsight is actually a ridiculous defense and fails to condemn the actual act itself made by the individual instead minimizing it as a prank and removing the invasion of privacy that was emailing the employers.
Furthermore you goose 4ever chili and ziggy continued to make equivalencies with anonymous name calling on a forum (which all parties have been guilty of) and continued to say "if he did this" or "if he owns up to it and confirms he did it then he was wrong" it's along the lines of saying "I'll only condemn my friends actions if he pleads guilty. Sure all the evidence is pretty much irrefutable but only if he says he's guilty would I find them to be in the wrong." Additionally, the name calling equivalencies posted in that thread are ridiculous as they are anonymous and stay in the Scoop bubble, they then attempted to make it a political issue. While they certainly may not have been involved the bottom line is their character was revealed and at best it's "hear no evil see no evil speak no evil" and at worst it's blind defense of those you like to justify any offense against those you dislike.
The bottom line is your above response reads as if everyone just said "wow crash really crossed a line and needs to own up to it" but that's absolutely not what you or others did.
Posted below is the initial response I reference which was two posts below Rocky's initial proof of why it was irrefutably Keefe.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 30, 2021, 07:40:54 PMI've actually never met Crash (that hopefully changes in August) but I am an unabashed and unapologetic fan. He's smart, funny and has a personal history of accomplishment and service for others that I admire greatly.
I have no idea what did or didn't happen here. I know that disagreements often get heated and personal on Scoop. That's unfortunate, but IMO they never should go beyond Scoop's borders.
Biggest Q is what will rocky do on Jan 20th??
PS - let's have a big Scoop meet up in NYC for the BET! Wednesday night before our games begin the following day. Other patrons at the bar may think it's like a Star Trek or some other dorky convention.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 08, 2025, 11:28:51 AMBiggest Q is what will rocky do on Jan 20th??
I'll be in the Wisconsin/Illinois/Indiana/Michigan area that whole week for an annual basketball and beer trip. Thanks for asking.
Quote from: Jay Bee on January 08, 2025, 11:28:51 AMBiggest Q is what will rocky do on Jan 20th??
PS - let's have a big Scoop meet up in NYC for the BET! Wednesday night before our games begin the following day. Other patrons at the bar may think it's like a Star Trek or some other dorky convention.
I'll be seven of nine
I was somewhat doxxed back in the day, and while it was weak behavior, I've long since forgiven and forgotten. I understand the frustration of revealing personal information on a seemingly online message board, and I'd never intentionally do it. Having said that, it is one thing to reveal personal information, and entirely another to threaten people... and infinitely worse to follow through and actively try to harm another poster.
Another part of me wishes we could just be grown ups here and not do such things. Permabans suck, and I hope no one else catches one, but I understand the position that the mods are in. Everyone has different thresholds what they're okay with putting out in the public realm, and it's best practice to let people reveal what they'd like at their own pace, if ever.
Having said this, some of my information is out there and the tooothpaste can't go back into the tube. If my name gets used, it gets used, I'm not going to make a fuss about it.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 08, 2025, 02:00:03 PMI was somewhat doxxed back in the day, and while it was weak behavior, I've long since forgiven and forgotten. I understand the frustration of revealing personal information on a seemingly online message board, and I'd never intentionally do it. Having said that, it is one thing to reveal personal information, and entirely another to threaten people... and infinitely worse to follow through and actively try to harm another poster.
Another part of me wishes we could just be grown ups here and not do such things. Permabans suck, and I hope no one else catches one, but I understand the position that the mods are in. Everyone has different thresholds what they're okay with putting out in the public realm, and it's best practice to let people reveal what they'd like at their own pace, if ever.
Having said this, some of my information is out there and the tooothpaste can't go back into the tube. If my name gets used, it gets used, I'm not going to make a fuss about it.
Through stalking I discovered your last name isn't actually Alumni, it is "On"
Quote from: Hards Alumni on January 08, 2025, 02:00:03 PMI'm not going to make a fuss about it
Let me be more clear. Nobody, except me, has made a fuss about this. I made a fuss about the keefe thing, and when I realized "things" were beginning again, I went back to clear out some of the rot from the keefe days.
No, and I'm not suggesting that, Rocky. I know I reported it back in the day when it happened to me mostly because I knew I wouldn't be the only one. I'm only speaking going forward.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 08, 2025, 02:56:56 PMThrough stalking I discovered your last name isn't actually Alumni, it is "On"
Damn, that takes me back 8-)
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 08, 2025, 11:36:28 AMI'll be in the Wisconsin/Illinois/Indiana/Michigan area that whole week for an annual basketball and beer trip. Thanks for asking.
The orange post is coming!
Sigh, apparently I need to share some information that may not be clear to everyone. In cases of abuse, which includes invading another person's privacy, I can, and am allowed to search through the master database for additional information. This includes personal messages. (That's all spelled out in the registration agreement)
I don't have a button I can click to find everything, and reading PMs not intended for me is not a pastime of mine. This might be the first time in ~18 years I've ever looked at the db tables that include personal messages.
In this case, I found a PM from 2019 where Sultan's full name was revealed, and it mentioned that an "opening salvo" (actual words from the PM) had been posted on the board about him.
A couple years later, the keefe emails went out. I didn't *really* blame anyone other than keefe, until recently. But upon seeing that PM today, along with 'the first attack made in a series of actions intended to achieve a specific result', I banned every single user that was included with the message.
That may seem harsh. I think a couple of those users were mostly casual observers to the events that unfolded. However, upon the revelation that several people had been involved in a coordinated attack, I took action. Not a single one of them said "hey shoot rocky, this has been going on a while, I never thought it would go this far" after the keefe emails.
I really hope this can be the end of it. Sorry to anyone that thought PMs were private when it came to abuse of the website.
Lol.
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I will remind you our AI overlords were onto the extent of Rocky's power years ago.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64892.msg1560852#msg1560852 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64892.msg1560852#msg1560852)
As I said to rocky, I've never had a stalker. Just my luck it's this crew of dorks.
I have been easing up on that crew in my head, thinking, meh, couple of months, maybe until next season...
Never mind. Done with them. Character confirmed. It had been revealed years ago. Let them go to the scout board.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 08, 2025, 05:31:03 PMSigh, apparently I need to share some information that may not be clear to everyone. In cases of abuse, which includes invading another person's privacy, I can, and am allowed to search through the master database for additional information. This includes personal messages. (That's all spelled out in the registration agreement)
I don't have a button I can click to find everything, and reading PMs not intended for me is not a pastime of mine. This might be the first time in ~18 years I've ever looked at the db tables that include personal messages.
In this case, I found a PM from 2019 where Sultan's full name was revealed, and it mentioned that an "opening salvo" (actual words from the PM) had been posted on the board about him.
A couple years later, the keefe emails went out. I didn't *really* blame anyone other than keefe, until recently. But upon seeing that PM today, along with 'the first attack made in a series of actions intended to achieve a specific result', I banned every single user that was included with the message.
That may seem harsh. I think a couple of those users were mostly casual observers to the events that unfolded. However, upon the revelation that several people had been involved in a coordinated attack, I took action. Not a single one of them said "hey shoot rocky, this has been going on a while, I never thought it would go this far" after the keefe emails.
I really hope this can be the end of it. Sorry to anyone that thought PMs were private when it came to abuse of the website.
"Opening salvo" being typed in an email about getting even over a message board feud is such an alpha move
Quote from: Uncle Rico on January 08, 2025, 06:02:50 PM"Opening salvo" being typed in an email about getting even over a message board feud is such an alpha move
More surprising that it wasn't keefe that sent that particular PM, but also now makes sense why that user has been gone for a few years.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 08, 2025, 06:21:57 PMMore surprising that it wasn't keefe, but also now makes sense why that user has been gone for several years.
It makes even more sense now. Day-umm.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 08, 2025, 06:21:57 PMMore surprising that it wasn't keefe, but also now makes sense why that user has been gone for several years.
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Edited that statement to be a little more clear.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on January 08, 2025, 05:52:45 PMI will remind you our AI overlords were onto the extent of Rocky's power years ago.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64892.msg1560852#msg1560852 (https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=64892.msg1560852#msg1560852)
To be fair, I'm pretty succinct, and that was tl;dr the first two times I glanced at it (especially my parts in in). I finally read it, and amusing, but tl;dr.
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2025, 06:02:08 PMI have been easing up on that crew in my head, thinking, meh, couple of months, maybe until next season...
Never mind. Done with them. Character confirmed. It had been revealed years ago. Let them go to the scout board.
Just got that, you've already been denied membership on their new site.
Quote from: tower912 on January 06, 2025, 08:25:11 PMBummed I can't go to Goolsby's on my next Milwaukee trip
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 06, 2025, 08:45:09 PMMECCA Sports Bar calling your name.
Damn, that was mean!!!! ;D
Yeah, count me in on the why would anyone get up in arms over anonymous bb.
I belong to another travel oriented board. It does have a politics forum. There are people on there that are complete asses. No way I would ever sit down with them for a beer. However, when they ask for travel advice on something I know about, I happy give (good) advice and answer their questions. It is after all a group with a common interests.
In fairness, I don't think I have been in an Arby's since joining this site though.... ;D
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 09, 2025, 11:35:35 AMIn fairness, I don't think I have been in an Arby's since joining this site though.... ;D
Reported
Quote from: rocky_warrior on January 08, 2025, 09:02:46 PMTo be fair, I'm pretty succinct, and that was tl;dr the first two times I glanced at it (especially my parts in in). I finally read it, and amusing, but tl;dr.
To be fair, the first version of Frenn's ai story that he didn't post is probably better.
Quote from: tower912 on January 09, 2025, 01:26:29 PMTo be fair, the first version of Frenn's ai story that he didn't post is probably better.
I should have added that after that story every subsequent story ended with the AI engine killing rocky. I asked why and it started talking about him being all powerful and needing to be stopped. Then the safeguards kicked in and the whole thing reset.
Quote from: pbiflyer on January 09, 2025, 11:35:35 AMIn fairness, I don't think I have been in an Arby's since joining this site though.... ;D
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Dang I missed a lot
Anyone notable get wacked
Hopefully not mugs need that lil guy around
I am fortunate that I contribute literally nothing of value to this forum.
But I also don't bring net negative things to the board. Like doxxing. It's a damn forum about ncaa basketball. Grow up and don't be an a*shole.
Doxxing sucks, sir, Mr. Fox, sir.
Quote from: tower912 on January 08, 2025, 06:02:08 PMI have been easing up on that crew in my head, thinking, meh, couple of months, maybe until next season...
Never mind. Done with them. Character confirmed. It had been revealed years ago. Let them go to the scout board.
This x infinity
I've stayed away since my politics ban expired because there was no way I could interact with those oozing aholes within Topper and Rocky's rules, and I had already made the mods jobs harder than necessary. But it's so on brand that the dicks who worked so hard telling themselves that they are the "good guys" were trying to harm people in real life...particularly the one with his prickish certainty of his own moral rectitude.
By their acts you shall know them. Indeed.
Scoop Snoop, this bump is for you. It explains Goose's absence.
Quote from: tower912 on April 05, 2025, 09:42:16 AMScoop Snoop, this bump is for you. It explains Goose's absence.
OK. Wish it wasn't so. I enjoyed Goose's bball posts.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 05, 2025, 10:09:16 AMOK. Wish it wasn't so. I enjoyed Goose's bball posts.
Same. It was probably the right choice, but he's the only one I kind of miss interacting with. On his day he could bring a lot to the board.
Goose's absence has made the Ben Gold bandwagon even emptier.
I miss Herm. I have no idea what current events are going on through the lens of a money laundering Long Island small business owner without his NYPost links.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 05, 2025, 02:20:24 PMI miss Herm. I have no idea what current events are going on through the lens of a money laundering Long Island small business owner without his NYPost links.
Tell me more! I'm looking for a way to earn a little extra money without the IRS grabbing a chunk of it.
Quite a number of years ago, I met the former mayor of a town about a half hour from us. He bragged about what a great mayor he was and went on and on. Then I asked him why he left his office some years earlier but never ran for office again. His BS answers were hilarious because I knew why he had been absent from office. He and a couple coconspirators were serving their sentences after being convicted of money laundering.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 05, 2025, 02:25:26 PMTell me more! I'm looking for a way to earn a little extra money without the IRS grabbing a chunk of it.
Quite a number of years ago, I met the former mayor of a town about a half hour from us. He bragged about what a great mayor he was and went on and on. Then I asked him why he left his office some years earlier but never ran for office again. His BS answers were hilarious because I knew why he had been absent from office. He and a couple coconspirators were serving their sentences after being convicted of money laundering.
We'll, the good news is that's probably enough to get him admitted to Dental School.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 05, 2025, 02:25:26 PMTell me more! I'm looking for a way to earn a little extra money without the IRS grabbing a chunk of it.
Quite a number of years ago, I met the former mayor of a town about a half hour from us. He bragged about what a great mayor he was and went on and on. Then I asked him why he left his office some years earlier but never ran for office again. His BS answers were hilarious because I knew why he had been absent from office. He and a couple coconspirators were serving their sentences after being convicted of money laundering.
Sentenced to the Dodd's board?
That is where Herman is. Gus Ganakas.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on April 05, 2025, 03:16:22 PMSentenced to the Dodd's board?
The constitution specifically prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, so no.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 05, 2025, 04:51:17 PMThe constitution specifically prohibits cruel and unusual punishment, so no.
lol. Paying attention to that document is for suckers.
Wow, I missed this thread completely. I think it happened during a period when I was temporarily suspended for politics.Turns out the people I always thought were major assholes and somewhat disturbed, actually are major assholes and somewhat disturbed.