Seemed like a decent guy despite his rough presidency.
A very good man. Perhaps the greatest ex-president. Not a great president. RIP.
Vaccines come for us all in the end. 90 years later and the diphtheria jab finally got him.
greatest post presidency and it's probably not super close. Helped countless people in need through global health and immunization initiatives, habitat for humanity, and fighting for human rights.
Even if things backfire on you, you can still do ample amounts of good and have compassion in retirement.
A well earned RIP
Life well-lived. Amazing person.
2 years in hospice care seems highly unusual.
It is. And?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 29, 2024, 07:39:08 PM2 years in hospice care seems highly unusual.
He was replaced by a double years ago
Quote from: tower912 on December 29, 2024, 07:43:14 PMIt is. And?
I dunno. Maybe he got better when he was 99?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 29, 2024, 07:50:22 PMHe was replaced by a double years ago
Dave was a realistic film but finding a double Jimmy's age would be challenging. :)
Seems to me that Jimmy Carter was a good human being. I think he made a few mistakes, but then again we are all human.
Maybe we(I)expect too much of public figures? I didn't like his handling of the Hostage crisis nor did I like him signing off on the Chavez election in Venezuela. End of the day I trust that he did what he thought was right with the info he had. Via con dios Mr. President.
A great man and unfortunately not a great president. What he did for the remainder of his life, however, outshines almost every legacy of every millionaire, billionaire, and office holder. Well done Jimmy. RIP.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 29, 2024, 07:39:08 PM2 years in hospice care seems highly unusual.
pre and post public service, his work was exemplary. he was a good man
yes-RIP
hospice care is not necessarily all end of life even though chances of recovery to a semblance of previous health are slim to none. it's focus is on patient comfort and quality of remaining life despite medicare for example needing a doctor's diagnosis certifying the patient as terminally ill. what is terminally ill? in president jimmy's situation, he proved to be one tough dude. but as an example, my dad has been in a nursing home for the past 6 years post stroke as they had been able to provide adequate care for him up until about last june or so. as his condition, mainly mobility has predictably worsened, the nursing home told us we would either have to move him or bring in hospice care in order for him to stay as they did not have the resources to provide for him while still being able to adequately care for the other residents. hospice care became adjunctive to the nursing home care
my dad had to consent and as hard as that is for anyone, we had to impress upon him the reasons as stated above. moving him would have been devastating and equivalent to, well, let's just say we made the easy decision for us as a family. how long my father has to live is not up to a doctor nor the definition of hospice
All I ever heard from my parents was "He should have sent one more helicopter....."
I had done Habitat for Humanity for Marquette Service Day for several years and appreciated Jimmy Carter's work knowing it was not easy but also felt rewarding.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on December 30, 2024, 08:59:33 AMAll I ever heard from my parents was "He should have sent one more helicopter....."
I had done Habitat for Humanity for Marquette Service Day for several years and appreciated Jimmy Carter's work knowing it was not easy but also felt rewarding.
Whatever (D) elected in '76 was going to be transitory. He inherited a mess not from Ford, but from Nixon's administration. There was no magical potion any president could use to fix that mess. Carter just happened to be the sacrificial lamb the (D)'s chose.
Ford and Carter became very good friends after 1980 despite a very contentious election in '76. Their friendship and contributions to humanity post-presidency show what people are capable of without having tags attached to them by party.
Both were fundamentally good people. The Ford Museum will be doing a display highlighting their friendship and bond.
Visited the Carter Library and Museum several years ago while in Atlanta, well worth a stop.
He and Ford were able to become friends, as did George H.W. Bush and Bill Clinton.
I'm going to be a contrarian. I actually think Jimmy Carter was a pretty good President.
America in 1976 wasn't quite ready for a "funny talking" southerner with a strong, fundamentalist faith who wasn't afraid to speak about who he was or what he believed in. That was strike one against him.
Strike Two was Iran and the economy. I'm sure President Carter would have loved to get a do-over on letting the Shah into the country or appointing Paul Voelker Chairman of the Fed. On Iran, negotiating in public and having the event on the nightly news every single night is never conducive to resolving an issue. Best he should of done, but could not do was turn the satellite to Iran off for the duration.
For all of us who travel, it was President Carter who signed legislation deregulating the airlines, as well as railroads and trucking. He was an environmental President who warned of many of the issues we debate today. And, he was something we don't see often in Washington anymore, a true fiscal conservative who stood up to Congressional pork, which permanently tainted his relationship with Speaker Tip O'Neill.
President Carter hacked off lots of people when he said we weren't going to the Soviet Union's coming out party -- the 1980 Olympic Games. It may seem trite today but those games were a huge deal to the Soviets, who had finally rebuilt their country. Oh, and he was the first to put human rights at the core of U.S. foreign policy.
Carter's fiscal policy and attitude toward human rights made President Reagan's efforts possible. Internationally, President Carter's human rights efforts were the first cracks in the iron curtain.
Rest in peace, Mr. President. Your work here is done!
This is an excellent summation of President Carter:
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/james-earl-jimmy-carter-dies-president-democrat-11630952557?st=vp2Ljr&reflink=article_copyURL_share
Was overall a very lousy President ,with a couple of solid achievements, most notably deregulation of airlines , railroads etc
Post Presidency was a mixed bag of Charity, Anti Semitic and Anti American activities . He aggressively interfered with the activities of sitting Presidents .
Count me not in the revisionist history camp.
Carter is to Reagan as Wojo is to Shaka....
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 30, 2024, 08:13:16 PMThis is an excellent summation of President Carter:
https://www.wsj.com/opinion/james-earl-jimmy-carter-dies-president-democrat-11630952557?st=vp2Ljr&reflink=article_copyURL_share
Was overall a very lousy President ,with a couple of solid achievements, most notably deregulation of airlines , railroads etc
Post Presidency was a mixed bag of Charity, Anti Semitic and Anti American activities . He aggressively interfered with the activities of sitting Presidents .
Count me not in the revisionist history camp.
Carter is to Reagan as Wojo is to Shaka....
Isn't it revisionist history that you're posting after dying of Covid?
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 30, 2024, 02:18:21 PMI'm going to be a contrarian. I actually think Jimmy Carter was a pretty good President.
America in 1976 wasn't quite ready for a "funny talking" southerner with a strong, fundamentalist faith who wasn't afraid to speak about who he was or what he believed in. That was strike one against him.
Strike Two was Iran and the economy. I'm sure President Carter would have loved to get a do-over on letting the Shah into the country or appointing Paul Voelker Chairman of the Fed. On Iran, negotiating in public and having the event on the nightly news every single night is never conducive to resolving an issue. Best he should of done, but could not do was turn the satellite to Iran off for the duration.
For all of us who travel, it was President Carter who signed legislation deregulating the airlines, as well as railroads and trucking. He was an environmental President who warned of many of the issues we debate today. And, he was something we don't see often in Washington anymore, a true fiscal conservative who stood up to Congressional pork, which permanently tainted his relationship with Speaker Tip O'Neill.
President Carter hacked off lots of people when he said we weren't going to the Soviet Union's coming out party -- the 1980 Olympic Games. It may seem trite today but those games were a huge deal to the Soviets, who had finally rebuilt their country. Oh, and he was the first to put human rights at the core of U.S. foreign policy.
Carter's fiscal policy and attitude toward human rights made President Reagan's efforts possible. Internationally, President Carter's human rights efforts were the first cracks in the iron curtain.
Rest in peace, Mr. President. Your work here is done!
Robbing our athletes the chance to compete was a major blunder not an accomplishment. "Taking our ball and going home" made him and the USA look small and petty.
Gave away the Panama Canal and caused Mullahs to take control in Iran. The best past President since Truman. His good works will be his epitaph
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on December 30, 2024, 08:35:09 PMGave away the Panama Canal and caused Mullahs to take control in Iran. The best past President since Truman. His good works will be his epitaph
Should there be a national holiday for him?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 30, 2024, 09:31:12 PMShould there be a national holiday for him?
No. But Biden declared one on January 9 .
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 30, 2024, 09:40:15 PMNo. But Biden declared one on January 9 .
It's a national day of mourning like the death of any ex president. Calm your tits
Carter rescued the brewing industry in the US by finally making homebrewing legal. Craft beer is almost 30% of sales.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 30, 2024, 08:26:11 PMRobbing our athletes the chance to compete was a major blunder not an accomplishment. "Taking our ball and going home" made him and the USA look small and petty.
There is a huge difference between playing games and life & death.
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on December 30, 2024, 08:35:09 PMGave away the Panama Canal and caused Mullahs to take control in Iran. The best past President since Truman. His good works will be his epitaph
Well, we stole the Canal Zone fair and square. President Carter knew that and did the honorable thing by rectifying a wrong.
As to the Mullahs in Iran, do you really think the Mullahs came to power because of any action President Carter did? It was a revolution caused in no small manner because the Shah was a weak and repressive leader propped up by every President from Dwight D. Eisenhower to Richard M. Nixon. The mistake we made was fermenting revolution and regime change in the 1950s in Iran.
As to the Olympics, I can attest to the fact that the boycott led by President Carter was still being felt 17 years later. President Carter knew America stood for something and put our values as a centerpiece of foreign policy. His human rights approach to our foreign relations paved the way for his successors to pressure the Soviet Union.
Final thought: As I noted, President Carter wasn't perfect. He inherited a mess and, as President Joe Biden found out, Presidents pay a price for high inflation and high interest rates. President George H.W. Bush paid a similar economic price.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 31, 2024, 01:19:44 PMWell, we stole the Canal Zone fair and square. President Carter knew that and did the honorable thing by rectifying a wrong.
As to the Mullahs in Iran, do you really think the Mullahs came to power because of any action President Carter did? It was a revolution caused in no small manner because the Shah was a weak and repressive leader propped up by every President from Dwight D. Eisenhower to Richard M. Nixon. The mistake we made was fermenting revolution and regime change in the 1950s in Iran.
As to the Olympics, I can attest to the fact that the boycott led by President Carter was still being felt 17 years later. President Carter knew America stood for something and put our values as a centerpiece of foreign policy. His human rights approach to our foreign relations paved the way for his successors to pressure the Soviet Union.
Final thought: As I noted, President Carter wasn't perfect. He inherited a mess and, as President Joe Biden found out, Presidents pay a price for high inflation and high interest rates. President George H.W. Bush paid a similar economic price.
Our policy with regards to Iran was a disaster from the get go. But oil companies made a lot of money for 25-years with the Shah and that's what really matters
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 29, 2024, 08:57:48 PMA great man and unfortunately not a great president. What he did for the remainder of his life, however, outshines almost every legacy of every millionaire, billionaire, and office holder. Well done Jimmy. RIP.
Not every millionaire!
https://catholiccompany.com/getfed/what-american-heiress-gave-away-7-million-dollars-and-why/
Wonder what Carter's presidential legacy would have been had the Reagan campaign not interfered with the hostage situation
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 31, 2024, 09:18:18 PMWonder what Carter's presidential legacy would have been had the Reagan campaign not interfered with the hostage situation
ruh-roh
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 31, 2024, 09:18:18 PMWonder what Carter's presidential legacy would have been had the Reagan campaign not interfered with the hostage situation
Interesting question. There's a lot of circumstantial information to believe there was backchannel efforts by Reagan's people to influence when the hostages were released. But there's no smoking gun and therefore no conclusive proof.
While an enormous number of voters made their choice in the last five days before the 1980 election, there also is no clear vision as to whether President Reagan would have won had the hostages been released. 1980 was a mean campaign all the way around.
Solve these issues and, while you are at it, solve the questions associated with the Kennedy Assassination.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 31, 2024, 09:18:18 PMWonder what Carter's presidential legacy would have been had the Reagan campaign not interfered with the hostage situation
That of a failed, one term presidency.
Quote from: dgies9156 on January 01, 2025, 10:32:57 AMInteresting question. There's a lot of circumstantial information to believe there was backchannel efforts by Reagan's people to influence when the hostages were released. But there's no smoking gun and therefore no conclusive proof.
While an enormous number of voters made their choice in the last five days before the 1980 election, there also is no clear vision as to whether President Reagan would have won had the hostages been released. 1980 was a mean campaign all the way around.
Solve these issues and, while you are at it, solve the questions associated with the Kennedy Assassination.
Actually there is. Bill Casey confirmed. There were some March 2023 stories with confirmations from those involved.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on January 02, 2025, 11:02:06 AMActually there is. Bill Casey confirmed. There were some March 2023 stories with confirmations from those involved.
Lmao
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 31, 2024, 09:18:18 PMWonder what Carter's presidential legacy would have been had the Reagan campaign not interfered with the hostage situation
Carter would have lost anyway. Most people vote their pocketbook and with run-away inflation he had no chance. The same thing happened to Bush Sr. and now Biden. Trump lost because he didn't handle Covid very well. Obama had the wind at his back because Bush Jr. and the Republicans were blamed for economic crash in 2008.
If Trump can't lower prices or increase wages to make up for the higher costs the Republicans will pay the price come the mid-terms and in 2028.
So glad politics are banned.
;D ;D
RIP William McKinley
Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 02, 2025, 12:53:16 PMRIP William McKinley
The first president to be assassinated by the deep state but not the last
Quote from: Shaka Shart on January 02, 2025, 12:53:16 PMRIP William McKinley
The picture of him smugly smirking as he's striding up the steps pre-assassination is kind of amusing in retrospect. Kind of a brutal "how it started/how it ended"
I haven't been keeping up and few have reported. Lucky are those