I don't have a problem with a ref missing a call here or there. Or even a few home whistles. But what really bothers me is when seemingly the 2nd half is officiated completely differently than the 1st half. Is it my imagination or does this pretty much happen regularly? Either call it tight or let them play. I'm not sure why this is apparently so difficult.
What's the 5 point plan Muugsy? The ref's aggression will not stand.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 21, 2024, 07:00:47 PMWhat's the 5 point plan Muugsy? The ref's aggression will not stand.
I'm not advocating they be included in my FPP. But perhaps the remote possibility, that they should have eyes in the back of their heads, could be a deterrent. :)
Refs favor the team with a fan base that kills more aquatic animals in the week leading up to the game.
Before providence dump a tanker of oil in the pacific mugs, and we should be good.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 06:56:21 PMI don't have a problem with a ref missing a call here or there. Or even a few home whistles. But what really bothers me is when seemingly the 2nd half is officiated completely differently than the 1st half. Is it my imagination or does this pretty much happen regularly? Either call it tight or let them play. I'm not sure why this is apparently so difficult.
Because basketball is difficult to ref and college refs aren't always good at it. Actually being employed by the conferences would help.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 21, 2024, 07:08:40 PMBecause basketball is difficult to ref and college refs aren't always good at it. Actually being employed by the conferences would help.
But there seems to be a pattern half to half.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 21, 2024, 07:08:18 PMRefs favor the team with a fan base that kills more aquatic animals in the week leading up to the game.
Before providence dump a tanker of oil in the pacific mugs, and we should be good.
Stop attacking the aquatic community and their exemplary members. Sea otters at the Oregon Zoo dunk emphatically.
The BEAST needs to be the first conference to hire full time professional refs. Make them available for all BEAST conference and non-con games. Develop some conference consistency. Buy out the good guys so they are not killing themselves trying to do 5 games per week all over the country.
If this happens, the BEAST will be 2nd only to the NBA in quality of officiating.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 06:56:21 PMI don't have a problem with a ref missing a call here or there. Or even a few home whistles. But what really bothers me is when seemingly the 2nd half is officiated completely differently than the 1st half. Is it my imagination or does this pretty much happen regularly? Either call it tight or let them play. I'm not sure why this is apparently so difficult.
Losers whine about the refs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 07:10:29 PMBut there seems to be a pattern half to half.
Yeah I know what you mean. No answer to that specifically.
I feel like Big East reffing changing at halftime is a tradition unlike any other. It's been this way as long as we've been here.
I still can't get over that call where the refs stopped Marquette's offense in its tracks to scold the Xavier bench. Then MU threw away the inbound for a breakaway dunk. If the ref stops play for something like that when the opposing team has the ball, it should have been a T.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 21, 2024, 07:21:34 PMYeah I know what you mean. No answer to that specifically.
I think has to do with game intensity and the desire to keep the contest moving in the 1st half.
I rarely can remember a game when the 1st half is called tightly, and the second half contact is let go.
At this point it should be expected. The second half is just going to be called tighter. It is what it is.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 21, 2024, 07:33:26 PMI still can't get over that call where the refs stopped Marquette's offense in its tracks to scold the Xavier bench. Then MU threw away the inbound for a breakaway dunk. If the ref stops play for something like that when the opposing team has the ball, it should have been a T.
This was insane.
Of course, its on Kam to not throw a shitty pass on the inbounds
But like you said, for the refs to literally stop us from running our Offense to scold like a parent to their 5 year old, was nonsense.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 21, 2024, 07:34:44 PMThis was insane.
Of course, its on Kam to not throw a crapty pass on the inbounds
But like you said, for the refs to literally stop us from running our Offense to scold like a parent to their 5 year old, was nonsense.
Too many college refs make it about them.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 21, 2024, 07:33:26 PMI still can't get over that call where the refs stopped Marquette's offense in its tracks to scold the Xavier bench. Then MU threw away the inbound for a breakaway dunk. If the ref stops play for something like that when the opposing team has the ball, it should have been a T.
Amen. That sucked!
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 21, 2024, 07:17:54 PMThe BEAST needs to be the first conference to hire full time professional refs.
If this happens, the BEAST will be 2nd only to the NBA in quality of officiating.
Yikes! second to the NBA???
The ghost of Mendy Rudolph rises.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 21, 2024, 07:33:26 PMI still can't get over that call where the refs stopped Marquette's offense in its tracks to scold the Xavier bench. Then MU threw away the inbound for a breakaway dunk. If the ref stops play for something like that when the opposing team has the ball, it should have been a T.
Have always hated when the refs tell the bench to sit.
You are right though. It usually happens during a dead ball. Not when the other team is running their offense.
They didn't call the foul on Ross. All is forgiven.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 21, 2024, 07:33:26 PMI still can't get over that call where the refs stopped Marquette's offense in its tracks to scold the Xavier bench. Then MU threw away the inbound for a breakaway dunk. If the ref stops play for something like that when the opposing team has the ball, it should have been a T.
I stopped to watch at a restaurant on the road so didn't have the audio. Had no idea why they stopped the game. That is absurd they stopped the game for that. Completely flipped the game.
I think the refs are doing a pretty good job.
It can be a tough gig and for the most part I think they've done just fine.
I think that because I've had to pay such little attention to them.
If anything, I'd say MU, for being such an aggressive team defensively, has been the slight benefactor more often than not.
Marquette doesn't really play a violent offensive style, there are very few guys who drive relentlessly and for contact, and most or all of their "bigs" that play are typically away from the basket type players.
They do, however, play a pretty violent defensive style. I think most refs have been pretty fair towards that style.
Hopefully it doesn't change in the dance
Quote from: wadesworld on December 21, 2024, 08:28:56 PMI stopped to watch at a restaurant on the road so didn't have the audio. Had no idea why they stopped the game. That is absurd they stopped the game for that. Completely flipped the game.
Damarius was wide open in the corner too and the ball was making its way toward him. I was pissed caused they robbed us of a 3.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 21, 2024, 08:40:25 PMI think the refs are doing a pretty good job.
It can be a tough gig and for the most part I think they've done just fine.
I think that because I've had to pay such little attention to them.
If anything, I'd say MU, for being such an aggressive team defensively, has been the slight benefactor more often than not.
Marquette doesn't really play a violent offensive style, there are very few guys who drive relentlessly and for contact, and most or all of their "bigs" that play are typically away from the basket type players.
They do, however, play a pretty violent defensive style. I think most refs have been pretty fair towards that style.
Hopefully it doesn't change in the dance
I respect you Dr.V but are you saying I should not feel wrath towards them when I see injustice?
Pretend they are actual zebras.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 06:56:21 PMI don't have a problem with a ref missing a call here or there. Or even a few home whistles. But what really bothers me is when seemingly the 2nd half is officiated completely differently than the 1st half. Is it my imagination or does this pretty much happen regularly? Either call it tight or let them play. I'm not sure why this is apparently so difficult.
Any ref that makes a mistake should be decapitated
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2024, 09:09:17 PMPretend they are actual zebras.
Well I'm certainly not going to do that. I love zebras.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 09:08:35 PMI respect you Dr.V but are you saying I should not feel wrath towards them when I see injustice?
I think that's what I'm saying, at least just during the Holiday season.
I'll allow it for the next game at the Dunk
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 09:08:35 PMI respect you Dr.V but are you saying I should not feel wrath towards them when I see injustice?
Feeling wrath is not the Christian way.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 21, 2024, 09:15:01 PMFeeling wrath is not the Christian way.
I don't consider wrath a sin. :)
Quote from: DoctorV on December 21, 2024, 09:13:48 PMI think that's what I'm saying, at least just during the Holiday season.
I'll allow it for the next game at the Dunk
Ty Dr.V.
As a side note actual zebras can run in the 40 mph range. :)
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 09:16:11 PMI don't consider wrath a sin. :)
It is one of the classic 7 deadly sins.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 09:12:56 PMWell I'm certainly not going to do that. I love zebras.
Exactly. Treat them as real zebras. Refs are God's children, too.
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2024, 09:19:12 PMIt is one of the classic 7 deadly sins.
Correct, Muggsy don't know Christianity
It wasn't just aggressive defense drawing the fouls.
There were three clean blocks all called fouls.
Uncle Rico has a mission.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 09:08:35 PMI respect you Dr.V but are you saying I should not feel wrath towards them when I see injustice?
Maybe the refs should wear blindfolds. After all justice is blind.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 21, 2024, 09:25:13 PMIt wasn't just aggressive defense drawing the fouls.
There were three clean blocks all called fouls.
Three clean blocks, the whistle for the bench standing that didn't result in a technical, the phantom blocking foul on Stevie that sent him to the bench, that all resulted in at least 8 points given to Xavier.
It was a poorly officiated game, I'm sure there were other questionable calls they could dispute, but knowing they got 8 points on bad calls, I'm not apologizing for Chase's 50/50 call at the end where Conwell stepped on his foot.
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 22, 2024, 08:52:29 AMThree clean blocks, the whistle for the bench standing that didn't result in a technical, the phantom blocking foul on Stevie that sent him to the bench, that all resulted in at least 8 points given to Xavier.
It was a poorly officiated game, I'm sure there were other questionable calls they could dispute, but knowing they got 8 points on bad calls, I'm not apologizing for Chase's 50/50 call at the end where Conwell stepped on his foot.
There's no way to dispute your points Brew. All were egregious, all could have cost us the game, all give credence to my wrath, etc, etc, etc. The Stevie phantom call was abysmal and simply cannot happen. The clean blocks were refs anticipating calls in lieu of watching the play. But again, if they didn't have this obvious pattern of calling the game differently half to half, my anger would mostly be assuaged.
Quote from: Jockey on December 21, 2024, 07:20:13 PMLosers whine about the refs.
100%. MU's craptaculor collapse late is on them, not the refs. Bank the W and enjoy Christmas.
Quote from: Viper on December 22, 2024, 09:15:44 AM100%. MU's craptaculor collapse late is on them, not the refs. Bank the W and enjoy Christmas.
You supposed to be on my side Viper! WTF??
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 22, 2024, 09:17:32 AMYou supposed to be on my side Viper! WTF??
He's too worried about RED to have any wrath for REFs.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 22, 2024, 09:18:47 AMHe's too worried about RED to have any wrath for REFs.
BIL issues
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 22, 2024, 09:06:14 AMThere's no way to dispute your points Brew. All were egregious, all could have cost us the game, all give credence to my wrath, etc, etc, etc. The Stevie phantom call was abysmal and simply cannot happen. The clean blocks were refs anticipating calls in lieu of watching the play. But again, if they didn't have this obvious pattern of calling the game differently half to half, my anger would mostly be assuaged.
Again, wrath poisons your soul. Will pray for you.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 22, 2024, 09:36:07 AMAgain, wrath poisons your soul. Will pray for you.
Muggsy needs Jesus
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 07:11:55 PMStop attacking the aquatic community and their exemplary members. Sea otters at the Oregon Zoo dunk emphatically.
Stop attacking the zebra community.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 21, 2024, 07:33:26 PMI still can't get over that call where the refs stopped Marquette's offense in its tracks to scold the Xavier bench. Then MU threw away the inbound for a breakaway dunk. If the ref stops play for something like that when the opposing team has the ball, it should have been a T.
Or in cases like this it should be a free inbounds - MU had nothing to do with the stoppage so don't penalize them. And having to inbound it against pressure when a ref stopped play because of opponents is a penalty vs. MU
I think Chiazza was the one to stop the game to tell Providence to sit down. He reffed the infamous Providence game two years ago when they shot 30+ free throws in double OT.
Quote from: RJax55 on December 21, 2024, 07:33:34 PMI think has to do with game intensity and the desire to keep the contest moving in the 1st half.
I rarely can remember a game when the 1st half is called tightly, and the second half contact is let go.
At this point it should be expected. The second half is just going to be called tighter. It is what it is.
I don't recall a half of college basketball officiated as poorly.
That was the highlight - stopping MU's offensive flow to tell the other teams' bench to stay off the court when they are on the other side of the court and not effecting the game needs to be looked at by whoever looks at this stuff.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 21, 2024, 09:15:01 PMFeeling wrath is not the Christian way.
Plenty of examples of god's wrath in the bible. Are you saying he's not Christian? ;D
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 22, 2024, 09:25:19 PMPlenty of examples of god's wrath in the bible. Are you saying he's not Christian? ;D
One of 7 deadly sins. Old Testament full of wrath. Jesus came set things straight....
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 22, 2024, 09:27:52 PMOne of 7 deadly sins. Old Testament full of wrath. Jesus came set things straight....
Jesus rebelled against his dad?
Dad indulged in one of the 7 deadly sins?
I am good with god indulging his wrathful side and smiting the refs from that game!
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 22, 2024, 09:33:26 PMJesus rebelled against his dad?
Dad indulged in one of the 7 deadly sins?
I am good with god indulging his wrathful side and smiting the refs from that game!
Jesus set things straight. Wrath poisons your soul. Will pray for you. Holy Trinity....
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 22, 2024, 09:33:26 PMJesus rebelled against his dad?
Dad indulged in one of the 7 deadly sins?
I am good with god indulging his wrathful side and smiting the refs from that game!
I don't see any reason why I can't express some wrath once in awhile. Especially because it relaxes me pbi.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 23, 2024, 07:29:03 AMI don't see any reason why I can't express some wrath once in awhile. Especially because it relaxes me pbi.
Because it is sinful!
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 21, 2024, 06:56:21 PMI don't have a problem with a ref missing a call here or there. Or even a few home whistles. But what really bothers me is when seemingly the 2nd half is officiated completely differently than the 1st half. Is it my imagination or does this pretty much happen regularly? Either call it tight or let them play. I'm not sure why this is apparently so difficult.
I actually think you are right about tighter officiating in the second half, although you'd have to look up stats to see if it was real. I think it is an attempt to prevent foul trouble by caller it a little looser in the first half. Just my opinion with nothing to back it up.
I'm 40 years old. I've followed basketball at the high school, college & pro closely since childhood. I can't remember a single time people didn't complain about refs. And if you think it's "just us" or "just Big East refs" I'd encourage you to 1.) Attend a random high school game in your area, & 2.) Search the message boards for all the major college & pro teams.
Either all the refs over the past few decades have been incompetent or corrupt, or the sport is impossible to officiate with consistency.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on December 23, 2024, 10:00:15 AMEither all the refs over the past few decades have been incompetent or corrupt, or the sport is impossible to officiate with consistency.
Or, "C" -- fans are biased and it's just what fans do.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on December 23, 2024, 10:00:15 AMI'm 40 years old. I've followed basketball at the high school, college & pro closely since childhood. I can't remember a single time people didn't complain about refs. And if you think it's "just us" or "just Big East refs" I'd encourage you to 1.) Attend a random high school game in your area, & 2.) Search the message boards for all the major college & pro teams.
Either all the refs over the past few decades have been incompetent or corrupt, or the sport is impossible to officiate with consistency.
Reffing is hard, but the 2nd half of that game (all the way to the end) was egregiously bad.
Also, I wonder if the rules committee reconsiders those situations. Certainly stopping play because the defensive teams bench is up and not affecting play seems like a major penalty to the offensive team both having to 1)inbound and 2)reinitiating the Offense with a shorter clock. Likewise, if play stops because the shot clock didn't start, it seems like that should also be a free inbound with a full shot clock as the Offense has to re-initiate their O again - not their fault time keeper didn't do their job.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on December 23, 2024, 10:00:15 AMI'm 40 years old. I've followed basketball at the high school, college & pro closely since childhood. I can't remember a single time people didn't complain about refs. And if you think it's "just us" or "just Big East refs" I'd encourage you to 1.) Attend a random high school game in your area, & 2.) Search the message boards for all the major college & pro teams.
Either all the refs over the past few decades have been incompetent or corrupt, or the sport is impossible to officiate with consistency.
There are still MU fans complaining about calls from 50 years ago.
Myles Powell taught me if you cry hard enough about a call they'll feel bad and let you back into the game
Quote from: tower912 on December 21, 2024, 09:09:17 PMPretend they are actual zebras.
Better yet, pretend they are zebra mussels. They deserve the wrath too...
Over the years .I generally don't care about the refs. It is a hard sport to get correct and overall they do a good job. With instant replay reviews most of the game changing calls toward the end of game are accurate.
The only ref I have an issue with is Mr. High Steps as he is more about his own peacocking versus calling a consistent game.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 23, 2024, 06:07:09 PMOver the years .I generally don't care about the refs. It is a hard sport to get correct and overall they do a good job. With instant replay reviews most of the game changing calls toward the end of game are accurate.
The only ref I have an issue with is Mr. High Steps as he is more about his own peacocking versus calling a consistent game.
Pot kettle etc etc
Quote from: tower912 on December 23, 2024, 11:43:59 AMThere are still MU fans complaining about calls from 50 years ago.
The technical against Michael Wilson when he shattered the backboard was totally bogus, but not quite 50 years ago.
We need to make the term "Ref Wrath" happen.
Also, if you have trouble saying it, don't drive home.
All the low lifes who invoke it...
Are they the ref wrath riffraff?
Quote from: tower912 on December 25, 2024, 08:31:51 AMAll the low lifes who invoke it...
Are they the ref wrath riffraff?
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Quote from: warriorchick on December 25, 2024, 08:20:56 AMWe need to make the term "Ref Wrath" happen.
Also, if you have trouble saying it, don't drive home.
What's Rafferty got to do with all of this?
Benetti to Bill...
That is some rough ref wrath riffraff, Raft.....
Quote from: tower912 on December 25, 2024, 10:28:03 AMBenetti to Bill...
That is some rough ref wrath riffraff, Raft.....
Bravo!
Raft sometimes comments about the officiating, but typically it is "I thought that should have been a play on." And then he gets right back to the game. Then there's Bilas. My
Gawd! If he disagrees with a call, he will keep talking about it and make it very clear that he's
right, even as he seems to forget there's a game going on and there have been 2-3 possessions while he is pontificating about the foul.