1. Marquette did to Butler all game what Dayton did to MU in the first half. Dominated the O boards and stayed afloat via second chance points.
2. Kam Jones, even on an off night, pretty darn good.
3. Telfort was pulling contested shots out of his dentist in the first half.
4. Pierre Brooks is a body type MU struggles to match up with.
5. I do not mind the threes MU took. In the offense, none forced.
6. Trying to recall the last time MU dominated the O boards like they did tonight.
7. Get used to it. Kam goes out, the opponent goes zone.
8. All of those o boards and putbacks and Butler almost never fouled MU?
9. Ben focuses on guarding Screen. Screen becomes invisible.
10. Tre and Zaide playing more minutes.
11. Beat Xavier, take 10 days off.
eFG% no matta.
Any win is a good win.
Joplin 4 for 17. 1 for 8 from 3pt line.
Looking forward to Saturday's game against Xavier.
Crowd just seemed flat as ever. I guess I'll just be happy with the win against a team that's lost a crooked number of buy games. Time to go win at X.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 18, 2024, 10:08:24 PMCrowd just seemed flat as ever. I guess I'll just be happy with the win against a team that's lost a crooked number of buy games. Time to go win at X.
Students home on break?
Good teams find ways to win when they have a bad shooting night.
Another cursed shooting night vs Butler, so I will gladly take a 10 point win.
Turnovers and rebounding determined this game. Marquette advantages 18-3 OR, 14-2 TO...a whopping +27 in the opportunity index.
Box score shows 75 field goals. I can't find that many in a game since 2013 (!) when we had 82 in a 114-71 game vs Grambling. Not counting a couple OT games in the 75/76 range.
Butler 24/47
Marquette 32/75
I don't think I've ever seen a Marquette team attempt 25+ more shots than its opponent, and I'm not sure I've ever seen it in any basketball game.
12. Stevie Mitchell
Just wanna say this thread title is awesome. Probs my favorite I've seen thus far.
Take the win and run. Hopefully better three point shooting nights ahead.
I understand he can be frustrating but anyone that says Jop being gone next season is addition by subtraction is a complete f#cking dipsh#t.
Marquette only missed four fewer shots (43) than Butler attempted all night (47) and won. Absolutely wild discrepancy in the number of shots each team took. Forcing turnovers and getting offensive rebounds is pretty neat.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 18, 2024, 10:24:42 PMI understand he can be frustrating but anyone that says Jop being gone next season is addition by subtraction is a complete f#cking dipsh#t.
You seem upset that I have an opinion.
If jop wasn't on this team, this year, the team would be better on the court
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 18, 2024, 10:24:42 PMI understand he can be frustrating but anyone that says Jop being gone next season is addition by subtraction is a complete f#cking dipsh#t.
Don't forget, TyKo leaving has almost been addition by subtraction 🤣
#TheShakaWay.
In all honesty, at this point I just hope Jop figures out a way to shoot 35% from 3 because he's serviceable in other ways.
His biggest strength, his ability to put the ball in the basket, has somehow become his bugaboo.
Kid can score though. So, stay the course and do all the other things and the scoring will come.
Marquette won't suffer with his replacement, however. Not because he's a bad kid or a poor player, but because it's the Shaka way.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 18, 2024, 10:14:57 PMGood teams find ways to win when they have a bad shooting night.
Play a bad team
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 18, 2024, 10:28:25 PMYou seem upset that I have an opinion.
If jop wasn't on this team, this year, the team would be better on the court
No. I'm annoyed that you're dumb.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 18, 2024, 10:28:25 PMYou seem upset that I have an opinion.
If jop wasn't on this team, this year, the team would be better on the court
Lol what?
Our bench has been incredible for us this year, so obviously having a starter not on the team would be a great thing! Oh wait...
12. Stevie and Ben a combined 10 - 10 from the field!
13. Royce played 10 minutes, put up 9 shots. Like his aggressiveness, but....
Quote from: wadesworld on December 18, 2024, 10:35:57 PMLol what?
Our bench has been incredible for us this year, so obviously having a starter not on the team would be a great thing! Oh wait...
Next man up
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 18, 2024, 10:37:28 PM12. Stevie and Ben a combined 10 - 10 from the field!
13. Royce played 10 minutes, put up 9 shots. Like his aggressiveness, but....
In terms of Royce, I have to imagine Shaka doesn't want to take away what will make him great some day.
But I imagine as the conference season moves on we'll see better shot selection. Or less minutes.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 18, 2024, 10:30:19 PMDon't forget, TyKo leaving has almost been addition by subtraction 🤣
#TheShakaWay.
In all honesty, at this point I just hope Jop figures out a way to shoot 35% from 3 because he's serviceable in other ways.
His biggest strength, his ability to put the ball in the basket, has somehow become his bugaboo.
Kid can score though. So, stay the course and do all the other things and the scoring will come.
Marquette won't suffer with his replacement, however. Not because he's a bad kid or a poor player, but because it's the Shaka way.
Jop's a contributor. He gets rebounds and is an underrated defender. My only gripe with him is that if he misses his first three 3s, he's most likely not going to make any. But he'll still chuck it 3+ more times anyway.
Kam and Jop took 41 of our 75 shots.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 18, 2024, 10:41:34 PMJop's a contributor. He gets rebounds and is an underrated defender. My only gripe with him is that if he misses his first three 3s, he's most likely not going to make any. But he'll still chuck it 3+ more times anyway.
Jop's progression with defense and rebounding has been awesome to watch.
His lack of progression with offensive decision making, dribbling, driving and hitting consistently from anywhere on the court hasn't been awesome to watch.
And that's especially harmful this year when we need a consistent 2nd/3rd scorer this season.
Chase has displayed incredible athleticism this season multiple times with dunks and blocks.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 18, 2024, 10:41:34 PMJop's a contributor. He gets rebounds and is an underrated defender. My only gripe with him is that if he misses his first three 3s, he's most likely not going to make any. But he'll still chuck it 3+ more times anyway.
Id hope so, he plays 31 mpg.
Agreed on him being as streaky as streaky shooter gets...
I've learned that one of Shaka's biggest strengths, and in turn sometimes biggest weaknesses, is that he will never discourage shooters from shooting.
Shooters gone shoot.
Another one is upperclassmen gone play, especially in crunch time.
We saw both of those Shaka tendencies in Jops game last season v NCSt, we've seen a repetition several times this season.
I've come to terms with it, I just hope it falls when it matters.
There is definitely some regression to the mean coming with Jop this conference season, since he's now shooting under 30% from 3 on the season.
All Marquettes do reach equilibrium, afterall
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 18, 2024, 10:50:11 PMChase has displayed incredible athleticism this season multiple times with dunks and blocks.
Do we know his ve
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 18, 2024, 10:49:17 PMJop's progression with defense and rebounding has been awesome to watch.
His lack of progression with offensive decision making, dribbling, driving and hitting consistently from anywhere on the court hasn't been awesome to watch.
And that's especially harmful this year when we need a consistent 2nd/3rd scorer this season.
This synopsis couldn't be more accurate. Mitchell, Ross, and Ben are all capable scorers. I'm not saying we should have a specific shot distribution, but rather take the highest percentage shots. Remember vs Purdue Kam dominated the game while taking very few shots. We are at our best in the h-court when we move the ball, using both sides of the floor, and create off of the pass.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 18, 2024, 10:50:11 PMChase has displayed incredible athleticism this season multiple times with dunks and blocks.
He will play association ball
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 18, 2024, 11:02:56 PMDo we know his ve
This synopsis couldn't be more accurate. Mitchell, Ross, and Ben are all capable scorers. I'm not saying we should have a specific shot distribution, but rather take the highest percentage shots. Remember vs Purdue Kam dominated the game while taking very few shots. We are at our best in the h-court when we move the ball, using both sides of the floor, and create off of the pass.
Maybe.
It could be that Mitchell, Ross, and Benny are much better offensively on smaller volume thought...
I much prefer the Ben of the past 3 games since Wisconsin over the version I saw previously, and he was pretty bad in the 2H versus Dayton.
He attempted 5,7,4 shots in those games, and 8,10,10,11 shots in 4 of the previous 7
Taking better shots, playing more within himself, being more aggressive when he gets the chance, and playing much better defense because he's concentrating more on that end IMO. Beforehand he would just shoot any 3 he could get an open wink at, and miss a lot more.
I'm not sure Tevie and Chase would lose effectiveness with more volume, but to force it could drastically change the offense.
I will agree that when Mitchell and Ross are on Shaka should encourage them to be more aggressive thought
Interesting comments from Shaka's press conference regarding Sean. It sure sounds like the staff thinks he is healthy enough and looks good, but Sean isn't quite mentally ready to come back. I am thinking he may redshirt this year.
My non-Kam observations:
1) Chase has the highest offensive ceiling.
2) Mitchell is without a doubt the biggest hustler on the floor. 110% every possession.
3) Gold's defense is bad. I love Gold, but he got burned a lot tonight.
MU has a great team this year, but mark my words - the main reason we lose in March will be due to our lack of interior D. Extremely similar to the big man we ran into last year at NC ST.
Quote from: MountainCreekHouse on December 18, 2024, 11:23:42 PMMy non-Kam observations:
1) Chase has the highest offensive ceiling.
2) Mitchell is without a doubt the biggest hustler on the floor. 110% every possession.
3) Gold's defense is bad. I love Gold, but he got burned a lot tonight.
MU has a great team this year, but mark my words - the main reason we lose in March will be due to our lack of interior D. Extremely similar to the big man we ran into last year at NC ST.
Disagree on Gold.
Was a solid win against a well coached Bulldog squad.
MU has room for improvement.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 18, 2024, 11:29:28 PMDisagree on Gold.
Agreed, hard disagree on Gold. This is the kind of take I'd expect from someone who started watching MU last week.
Quote from: MountainCreekHouse on December 18, 2024, 11:23:42 PMMy non-Kam observations:
1) Chase has the highest offensive ceiling.
2) Mitchell is without a doubt the biggest hustler on the floor. 110% every possession.
3) Gold's defense is bad. I love Gold, but he got burned a lot tonight.
MU has a great team this year, but mark my words - the main reason we lose in March will be due to our lack of interior D. Extremely similar to the big man we ran into last year at NC ST.
I think our season will end due to a terrible shooting night like tonight. It is so frustrating seeing this team just absolutely brick open 3 pointers. Our defense is fine but 3 point shooting could be our downfall.
Quote from: The Thing on December 18, 2024, 11:36:45 PMI think our season will end due to a terrible shooting night like tonight. It is so frustrating seeing this team just absolutely brick open 3 pointers. Our defense is fine but 3 point shooting could be our downfall.
I truly don't think this team is as bad at shooting as they are showing, but the data points are starting to add up.
Ben has been defending quite well. He certainly could be a better rebounder but he's actually been fine on switches and rotating back after hard hedges.
Quote from: The Thing on December 18, 2024, 11:36:45 PMI think our season will end due to a terrible shooting night like tonight. It is so frustrating seeing this team just absolutely brick open 3 pointers. Our defense is fine but 3 point shooting could be our downfall.
This is an interesting take considering we still won handily tonight.
Quote from: The Thing on December 18, 2024, 11:36:45 PMI think our season will end due to a terrible shooting night like tonight. It is so frustrating seeing this team just absolutely brick open 3 pointers. Our defense is fine but 3 point shooting could be our downfall.
It's a fair concern.
Quote from: MountainCreekHouse on December 18, 2024, 11:39:11 PMThis is an interesting take considering we still won handily tonight.
Tonight was unusual in how we completely dominated to offensive glass. We have to find a way to be more accurate on wide open threes.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 18, 2024, 11:29:28 PMDisagree on Gold.
You know what - you are correct. Bad is terrible word choice. He is a good defender.
I'll rephrase by saying our interior "big man" D is a weakness. Not trying to single-out Gold by any means.
It may be
Quote from: MountainCreekHouse on December 18, 2024, 11:39:11 PMThis is an interesting take considering we still won handily tonight.
a bit of a hot take but if you'll recall how we were bounced out of the NCAA tourney last year....
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 18, 2024, 10:08:24 PMCrowd just seemed flat as ever. I guess I'll just be happy with the win against a team that's lost a crooked number of buy games. Time to go win at X.
Lots of threes attempts with almost all of them bricks, no fast breaks, and shaky D will do that to a crowd. The crowd reflected the team in the first half. Teamed turned it up on D to start the 2nd half and the crowd reacted.
Ben's been good defensively- tough enough, mobile, agile, not getting beat, good on switches.
However, he failed his one test against a few beasts inside and got bullied by Dayton (of all teams) and isn't rebounding great or blocking shots.
As a matter of fact, Kam, Stevie and Chase are out-rebounding him...
I know Shaka's bigs have a lot of responsibility away from the hoop, but Ben doesn't have nearly as much as Oso did, so time to clean some glass young man
Quote from: DoctorV on December 18, 2024, 11:51:39 PMBen's been good defensively- tough enough, mobile, agile, not getting beat, good on switches.
However, he failed his one test against a few beasts inside and got bullied by Dayton (of all teams) and isn't rebounding great or blocking shots.
As a matter of fact, Kam, Stevie and Chase are out-rebounding him...
I know Shaka's bigs have a lot of responsibility away from the hoop, but Ben doesn't have nearly as much as Oso did, so time to clean some glass young man
Couldn't have articulated it better
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 18, 2024, 10:28:25 PMYou seem upset that I have an opinion.
If jop wasn't on this team, this year, the team would be better on the court
This is an insane opinion. There's more to the game than shooting percentage.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 18, 2024, 11:38:12 PMI truly don't think this team is as bad at shooting as they are showing, but the data points are starting to add up.
At this point last season we were shooting 32.8% from three. We finished 35.2%.
This season we are shooting 32.5% from three. We will see where we finish.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 18, 2024, 11:51:39 PMand isn't rebounding great or blocking shots.
As a matter of fact, Kam, Stevie and Chase are out-rebounding him...
Ben has a block rate of 4.1% which is 290th best in the country. He's not a shot blocking specialist by any means but he is blocking shots.
Kam is slightly outrebounding Ben. Chase and Stevie have more total rebounds but that's because they play more minutes than Ben. Ben has a higher rebounding rate than both of them. It's an area he can improve on but considering his role he is fine.
Telfort only attempted two shots in the second half and went 1/2. Also got to the free throw line in garbage time.
Brooks only attempted three shots in the second half and went 1/3, though the 1 was an and 1. One of the missed shots came with 47 seconds left.
Excellent erasure of Butler's two best players who were killing us in the first half. Making players miss is impressive, but not even letting them get shots is on another level.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 19, 2024, 01:02:17 AMTelfort only attempted two shots in the second half and went 1/2. Also got to the free throw line in garbage time.
Brooks only attempted three shots in the second half and went 1/3, though the 1 was an and 1. One of the missed shots came with 47 seconds left.
Excellent erasure of Butler's two best players who were killing us in the first half. Making players miss is impressive, but not even letting them get shots is on another level.
Shaka's halftime adjustments are simply the best.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 18, 2024, 10:24:42 PMI understand he can be frustrating but anyone that says Jop being gone next season is addition by subtraction is a complete f#cking dipsh#t.
Eh, im going to go against the grain here. Every year since Shaka's first year scoop has had the hive mind of a "down year" after losing so and so. Every year they've gotten better.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 18, 2024, 10:08:24 PMCrowd just seemed flat as ever. I guess I'll just be happy with the win against a team that's lost a crooked number of buy games. Time to go win at X.
Crowd was also flat because the game was pretty meh in the first half.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 18, 2024, 10:28:25 PMYou seem upset that I have an opinion.
If jop wasn't on this team, this year, the team would be better on the court
That's kinda ridiculous.
Screen did his damage in the first half with Ben on The bench. Screen was invisible with Ben on him. Telfort and Clark-Mcaffery threw in some prayers with Ben in good position. I cannot think of a time he was out of position.
He was subbed out late when Butler went small and Butler immediately cut the lead to 6. Gold returned, stabilized.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 19, 2024, 01:06:36 AMShaka's halftime adjustments are simply the best.
Except at Dayton, we don't talk about that one.
Again, Dayton did to MU what MU did to Butler. The adjustment was that MU learned and embraced a grind it out mentality.
Quote from: tower912 on December 19, 2024, 06:48:42 AMAgain, Dayton did to MU what MU did to Butler. The adjustment was that MU learned and embraced a grind it out mentality.
Shaka-coached teams don't learn or embrace lessons.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 18, 2024, 10:24:42 PMI understand he can be frustrating but anyone that says Jop being gone next season is addition by subtraction is a complete f#cking dipsh#t.
I will propose 3 truths about Jop:
1. He's playing because he's earned the minutes
2. Due to his defense and rebuilding he's consistently better than the other available options
3. He's the weakest link among the starters.
Very nice catch and shoot player on offense. Should not be doing anything else.
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 19, 2024, 07:49:12 AMI will propose 3 truths about Jop:
1. He's playing because he's earned the minutes
2. Due to his defense and rebuilding he's consistently better than the other available options
3. He's the weakest link among the starters.
Very nice catch and shoot player on offense. Should not be doing anything else.
I have no idea what #3 even means.
Anyway, David Joplin is second on the team in scoring and first in rebounds. And don't look at the advanced stats if you wand DO or ZL to replace him right now. They are both turnover machines compared to Joplin.
He's not an all star. But he definitely has value. But I do hope ZL or DO, or even Ian Militec, will be better as juniors or seniors. None of them are there now.
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There were times last night that I noticed that Ben blocked out and kept his man away from the board, allowing one of our guards to get the rebound. It's a team sport.
He is mobile enough to be able to switch on a pick and contest the three point shot. His teammates usually do a pretty good job helping out and preventing a quicker player from driving on him after the switch. KenPom has or defense rated as 19th best in all of division 1. I don't think we would be that high if Ben's defense was as bad as some scoopers say here.
Hot take: I'd like to advocate for Stevie to take a couple more threes a game.
Quote from: kclem on December 19, 2024, 08:09:28 AMThere were times last night that I noticed that Ben blocked out and kept his man away from the board, allowing one of our guards to get the rebound. It's a team sport.
He is mobile enough to be able to switch on a pick and contest the three point shot. His teammates usually do a pretty good job helping out and preventing a quicker player from driving on him after the switch. KenPom has or defense rated as 19th best in all of division 1. I don't think we would be that high if Ben's defense was as bad as some scoopers say here.
Ben's defense is worse when he gets isolated up top. Otherwise he is generally pretty good as you say.
Ben's defense is good, anyone that only looks at rebounds doesn't pay attention. One of the many times I wish that good box outs was a trackable stat.
Jop is who he is. We all know he's capable of going off, we all know he's capable of going cold. You have to take the good with the bad. Suggesting that it'll be addition by subtraction when he graduates is incorrect.
I think the biggest issue he has is that he has the yips from three.
Watch his shot last night vs the game at DePaul when he hit 8 threes, or the BE tournament two years ago. Clean catch, nice efficient release. Now everything is slowed down, and sometimes with a slight hitch when he lets it go.
FT stroke is much tighter and he made most if not all last night.
Quote from: tower912 on December 18, 2024, 10:05:08 PM1. Marquette did to Butler all game what Dayton did to MU in the first half. Dominated the O boards and stayed afloat via second chance points.
2. Kam Jones, even on an off night, pretty darn good.
3. Telfort was pulling contested shots out of his dentist in the first half.
4. Pierre Brooks is a body type MU struggles to match up with.
5. I do not mind the threes MU took. In the offense, none forced.
6. Trying to recall the last time MU dominated the O boards like they did tonight.
7. Get used to it. Kam goes out, the opponent goes zone.
8. All of those o boards and putbacks and Butler almost never fouled MU?
9. Ben focuses on guarding Screen. Screen becomes invisible.
10. Tre and Zaide playing more minutes.
11. Beat Xavier, take 10 days off.
the defender needs to be in a position to actually defend the player shooting to foul.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 18, 2024, 11:41:33 PMTonight was unusual in how we completely dominated to offensive glass. We have to find a way to be more accurate on wide open threes.
My preference would be to do what Shaka did last year after the home game against Butler: more driving to the rim, points in the paint, and fewer threes. If we shoot like that against X we lose.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 19, 2024, 01:06:36 AMShaka's halftime adjustments are simply the best.
Guess you missed Dayton game
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 19, 2024, 08:47:40 AMMy preference would be to do what Shaka did last year after the home game against Butler: more driving to the rim, points in the paint, and fewer threes. If we shoot like that against X we lose.
If MU shoots 6-31 against most teams, they lose.
Quote from: kclem on December 19, 2024, 08:09:28 AMThere were times last night that I noticed that Ben blocked out and kept his man away from the board, allowing one of our guards to get the rebound. It's a team sport.
He is mobile enough to be able to switch on a pick and contest the three point shot. His teammates usually do a pretty good job helping out and preventing a quicker player from driving on him after the switch. KenPom has or defense rated as 19th best in all of division 1. I don't think we would be that high if Ben's defense was as bad as some scoopers say here.
I also noticed Ben keeping opponents from challenging a rebound by a teammate. One time Ben stretched his arms out wide, allowing I
(think) Stevie to get the rebound uncontested in the corner. It was basically an assist on a rebound.
Otule used to do that.
Ben is doing many winning things. He is not filling up a stat sheet. Yet.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 19, 2024, 08:47:57 AMGuess you missed Dayton game
Eh. Marquette stretched out its lead just after the half. It began to fall apart when Kam picked up a dumb foul.
Porter Moser is undefeated so far this season.
Quote from: tower912 on December 19, 2024, 09:00:22 AMPorter Moser is undefeated so far this season.
He sure is. That will help in his negotiations with Indiana in the off-season.
Quote from: tower912 on December 19, 2024, 09:00:22 AMPorter Moser is undefeated so far this season.
Another abject failure by the Marquette athletic department. Between this, Dayton, Flo and hot dogs, it's time to wonder if Marquette basketball should consider dropping to D-III
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 19, 2024, 09:06:00 AMHe sure is. That will help in his negotiations with Indiana in the off-season.
He's going to get his dream job at Marquette when Shaka goes to UVA at the end of this season. If we hired him the first time around, we would have the back-to-back nattys that UCONN got instead.
Quote from: tower912 on December 19, 2024, 09:00:22 AMPorter Moser is undefeated so far this season.
Guys from Naperville just get it done.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 18, 2024, 10:49:17 PMJop's progression with defense and rebounding has been awesome to watch.
His lack of progression with offensive decision making, dribbling, driving and hitting consistently from anywhere on the court hasn't been awesome to watch.
And that's especially harmful this year when we need a consistent 2nd/3rd scorer this season.
I actually disagree with the statement that he has not progressed on offense. He didn't have any TOs last night and he has passed the ball better. In addition, it is clear that Shaka is encouraging Jop to take it to the hoop. Take away the three point attempts last night and Jop was 3 for 9 from the floor for 12 points (including 6-6 from the FT line). That seems pretty efficient. What has hurt Joplin and MU is the inconsistency from 3 and his willingness at times to take the quick one. Jop will always be streaky from 3. IMO it is because his shot form has too much going on, but that is not going to change at this point. In general, however, it is pretty clear that Shaka is trying to develop Jop into a more consistent scorer by getting Jop inside and getting him to the line.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on December 19, 2024, 09:42:02 AMI actually disagree with the statement that he has not progressed on offense. He didn't have any TOs last night and he has passed the ball better. In addition, it is clear that Shaka is encouraging Jop to take it to the hoop. Take away the three point attempts last night and Jop was 3 for 9 from the floor for 12 points (including 6-6 from the FT line). That seems pretty efficient. What has hurt Joplin and MU is the inconsistency from 3 and his willingness at times to take the quick one. Jop will always be streaky from 3. IMO it is because his shot form has too much going on, but that is not going to change at this point. In general, however, it is pretty clear that Shaka is trying to develop Jop into a more consistent scorer by getting Jop inside and getting him to the line.
He jumps off of one foot and is often off balanced and out of control when he drives. He also doesn't generally see the floor when help comes. He needs to slow down a tick, plant with two feet, and score the ball or move it. He's absolutely capable of doing both. Last night he could have easily been called for a couple of traveling violations. It's about focus and making better decisions. We've seen Jop play his A game and provide a major scoring punch. It's time for him to step it up and hoop with confidence.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 19, 2024, 10:10:03 AMHe jumps off of one foot and is often off balanced and out of control when he drives. He also doesn't generally see the floor when help comes. He needs to slow down a tick, plant with two feet, and score the ball or move it. He's absolutely capable of doing both. Last night he could have easily been called for a couple of traveling violations. It's about focus and making better decisions. We've seen Jop play his A game and provide a major scoring punch. It's time for him to step it up and hoop with confidence.
Jop's problem is that he is not terribly athletic.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 19, 2024, 10:11:51 AMJop's problem is that he is not terribly athletic.
Lol, exactly. If Jop could drop step quicker or go up faster, he would.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 19, 2024, 10:10:03 AMHe jumps off of one foot and is often off balanced and out of control when he drives. He also doesn't generally see the floor when help comes. He needs to slow down a tick, plant with two feet, and score the ball or move it. He's absolutely capable of doing both. Last night he could have easily been called for a couple of traveling violations. It's about focus and making better decisions. We've seen Jop play his A game and provide a major scoring punch. It's time for him to step it up and hoop with confidence.
I don't disagree. It would be nice to see Jop do a jump stop. That said, I saw more times where I thought Jop was fouled and didn't get the call than I saw uncalled travels.
Jop is limited athletically, so he needs to learn to use his strength and intelligence. Working inside seems new to him. His footwork on post-ups has improved and he does use the pump fake more effectively than in the past. He still struggles to finish against contact. IMO, he has progressed offensively as well as defensively. Like any player, he doesn't look too good when he launches and misses 3s at a high rate.
Personally, I'd like to see more Ross and Mitchell on offense and a little less Jop but Shaka knows what he's doing. After watching seven years of poor coaching under Wojo, Shaka just about walks on water in my book.
Complaining that he "could have been called for travels" in a game where he has zero turnovers is just complaining for complaining's sake. Very Willie thing to do.
Quote from: Zog from Margo on December 19, 2024, 10:41:32 AMI don't disagree. It would be nice to see Jop do a jump stop. That said, I saw more times where I thought Jop was fouled and didn't get the call than I saw uncalled travels.
Jop is limited athletically, so he needs to learn to use his strength and intelligence. Working inside seems new to him. His footwork on post-ups has improved and he does use the pump fake more effectively than in the past. He still struggles to finish against contact. IMO, he has progressed offensively as well as defensively. Like any player, he doesn't look too good when he launches and misses 3s at a high rate.
Personally, I'd like to see more Ross and Mitchell on offense and a little less Jop but Shaka knows what he's doing. After watching seven years of poor coaching under Wojo, Shaka just about walks on water in my book.
I like Jop - he's got a great motor and really loves the game - play with as much passion as anyone on the team.
I don't love when he puts it on the floor, but if he could finish through contact it would up his player rating by 37.1%. He's a strong dude, but when he gets bumped most of the time he just wildy throws it up like he has no idea where the hoop is - one of his drives last night I think he jammed the ball into the underside of the rim - he should grab a few more pointers from Kam and Stevie - both of whom do a much better job finishing through contact despite being much smaller.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 19, 2024, 06:45:06 AMExcept at Dayton, we don't talk about that one.
Hers the thing - we played so well (while Dayton played so poorly) in the first half that there was virtually nothing to adjust. Unfortunately, as backwards as it sounds, getting exactly what we wanted ended up being a disadvantage for us.
I am a Jop fan. I think the lunch pail stuff he does goes unappreciated. And as someone upthread noted, he seems to get fouled inside but not called. Maybe because he's bigger stronger?
But I did find this funny on the internet.
https://x.com/tporter013/status/1869574894809411872?s=61&t=jsIZllSIAp6Fe-FmvZNVnw
Quote from: Zog from Margo on December 19, 2024, 09:42:02 AMI actually disagree with the statement that he has not progressed on offense. He didn't have any TOs last night and he has passed the ball better. In addition, it is clear that Shaka is encouraging Jop to take it to the hoop. Take away the three point attempts last night and Jop was 3 for 9 from the floor for 12 points (including 6-6 from the FT line). That seems pretty efficient. What has hurt Joplin and MU is the inconsistency from 3 and his willingness at times to take the quick one. Jop will always be streaky from 3. IMO it is because his shot form has too much going on, but that is not going to change at this point. In general, however, it is pretty clear that Shaka is trying to develop Jop into a more consistent scorer by getting Jop inside and getting him to the line.
I agree with this. Jop is better in all areas of the game including taking the ball to the basket and backing down defenders. He's still not real good at it, but he is much, much better than he was a few years ago.
Jop, leading the team in rebounds and blocks, after an off night where he goes for 15-6....
Never mind. I will just have to learn to accept Joplin Derangement Syndrome, knowing that a season from now, when Owens and Parham are going through sophomore year growing pains, Joplin will be missed and finally appreciated.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 19, 2024, 10:10:03 AMHe jumps off of one foot and is often off balanced and out of control when he drives. He also doesn't generally see the floor when help comes. He needs to slow down a tick, plant with two feet, and score the ball or move it. He's absolutely capable of doing both. Last night he could have easily been called for a couple of traveling violations. It's about focus and making better decisions. We've seen Jop play his A game and provide a major scoring punch. It's time for him to step it up and hoop with confidence.
Have you called Shaka with your advice? If not, you're not much of a fan.
Muggsy has him on speed dial. Listed in Muggsy's contacts as Shakattacks. Because sharks are grossly misunderstood creatures that we need to respect.
Quote from: tower912 on December 19, 2024, 01:08:18 PM... a season from now... Joplin will be missed and finally appreciated.
Your optimism is so adorable!
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I love games like last night.
They couldn't shoot and gave up 51% and 41% on 2s and 3s.
Still won.
Quote from: tower912 on December 19, 2024, 01:08:18 PMJop, leading the team in rebounds and blocks, after an off night where he goes for 15-6....
Never mind. I will just have to learn to accept Joplin Derangement Syndrome, knowing that a season from now, when Owens and Parham are going through sophomore year growing pains, Joplin will be missed and finally appreciated.
To some here, Jop is the 2024 version of Derrick.
Personally, I have loved watching Jop grow each year. That is the joy of college basketball - especially with a coach like Shaka who keeps guys in the program.
Jop is this decade's Jamil.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 19, 2024, 01:28:22 PMJop is this decade's Jamil.
Hey, that is a really good comparison. He leaves us wanting more.
He can be great one game and then it disappears for a couple games only to reappear again.
The difference, of course is that Jamil made it to the NBA (albeit for a short time), and Jop won't.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 19, 2024, 01:28:22 PMJop is this decade's Jamil.
Here's the thing on Jop, I think he is pretty much getting everything he can out of his talent. He's limited athletically, usually undersized compared to the guys guarding him and he is a not a natural shooter. His improvements defensively have pleasantly surprised me given this.
MU committed two turnovers. Stevie's charge and Kam's weird, bad pass to a cutting Stevie. None in the second half. 2. Turnovers.
Quote from: tower912 on December 19, 2024, 01:47:11 PMMU committed two turnovers. Stevie's charge and Kam's weird, bad pass to a cutting Stevie. None in the second half. 2. Turnovers.
Willie wants to know if anyone is holding Shaka accountable for those two turnovers or if y'all are giving him a pass like usual
Quote from: Jockey on December 19, 2024, 01:43:24 PMHey, that is a really good comparison. He leaves us wanting more.
He can be great one game and then it disappears for a couple games only to reappear again.
The difference, of course is that Jamil made it to the NBA (albeit for a short time), and Jop won't.
Jamil made it to the NBA because there was more to get out of his talent. That's why Jop will not.
Yes, both were streaky for MU, but I think for different reasons.
Quote from: Jockey on December 19, 2024, 01:27:48 PMTo some here, Jop is the 2024 version of Derrick.
Personally, I have loved watching Jop grow each year. That is the joy of college basketball - especially with a coach like Shaka who keeps guys in the program.
David Joplin is 100x the player Derrick Wilson was, and if not for an absolute idiot of a head coach. Derrick Wilson would have played 10 minutes per game as a senior. I mean did ANYONE miss Derrick Wilson (as a player) after he graduated? There's a least a chance we will miss Jop, though I suspect Royce will play so well next year, it's unlikely.
I was looking for a box score from last night and accidentally clicked on the box score from last January when Butler won. TKo went 1-13 in 32 minutes. Clearly, the season was over at that point. And nobody going 1-13 deserves to be an all American.
Quote from: RJax55 on December 19, 2024, 01:44:36 PMHere's the thing on Jop, I think he is pretty much getting everything he can out of his talent. He's limited athletically, usually undersized compared to the guys guarding him and he is a not a natural shooter. His improvements defensively have pleasantly surprised me given this.
I meant that Scoop treat Joplin now like we treated Jamil back then.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 19, 2024, 01:51:04 PMDavid Joplin is 100x the player Derrick Wilson was, and if not for an absolute idiot of a head coach. Derrick Wilson would have played 10 minutes per game as a senior. I mean did ANYONE miss Derrick Wilson (as a player) after he graduated? There's a least a chance we will miss Jop, though I suspect Royce will play so well next year, it's unlikely.
A different idiot head coach also played Derrick 31 mpg his junior year and started him 30 times that year.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 19, 2024, 01:55:43 PMA different idiot head coach also played Derrick 31 mpg his junior year and started him 30 times that year.
You're right. Wojo is at least as good of coach as Buzz, that's why Wojo had a plethora of offers after being fired from MU. As everyone knows that's being objectively honest, Buzz did a horse crap job coaching MU his last season. That aside, even if John Dawson were a worse option than Derrick (which as you know I don't think was the case), Buzz didn't have the option of Duane Wilson or Matt Carlino to play PG.
Go take a look at Derrick's career stats on KenPom. Anyone who suggests a player like that was under appreciated or would be missed is simply lying to themselves.
So I'm pretty neutral on Jop. Happy when he's playing well, my wife and I fist bump and say "jop drop!" When he's hitting threes but also I was cursing his name last year vs NC ST.
What I'm most curious about is what did Shaka see in him at Texas? I mean Jops a decent player and in certain systems he'd be fantastic but specifically how Shaka played at Texas I just don't get how Shaka thought he'd be incorporated unless he misinterpreted how much untapped athletic upside there was?
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 19, 2024, 02:02:26 PMYou're right. Wojo is at least as good of coach as Buzz, that's why Wojo had a plethora of offers after being fired from MU. As everyone knows that's being objectively honest, Buzz did a horse crap job coaching MU his last season. That aside, even if John Dawson were a worse option than Derrick (which as you know I don't think was the case), Buzz didn't have the option of Duane Wilson or Matt Carlino to play PG.
Go take a look at Derrick's career stats on KenPom. Anyone who suggests a player like that was under appreciated or would be missed is simply lying to themselves.
Is it 2015 again already? Wow time flies.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 19, 2024, 02:02:26 PMYou're right. Wojo is at least as good of coach as Buzz, that's why Wojo had a plethora of offers after being fired from MU. As everyone knows that's being objectively honest, Buzz did a horse crap job coaching MU his last season. That aside, even if John Dawson were a worse option than Derrick (which as you know I don't think was the case), Buzz didn't have the option of Duane Wilson or Matt Carlino to play PG.
Go take a look at Derrick's career stats on KenPom. Anyone who suggests a player like that was under appreciated or would be missed is simply lying to themselves.
Carlino played 33 mpg that year. Duane averaged 28 mpg that year. Duane probably could've added a few minutes, but those are close to max minutes for college guys.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 19, 2024, 02:06:57 PMIs it 2015 again already? Wow time flies.
Nothing like a day after win in December for Ners to jump back a decade to what got him banned. You know what, let's just play all the hits, what did Wojo's inherited cupboard look like? Maybe we can get MUFINY to chime in.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 19, 2024, 01:55:10 PMI meant that Scoop treat Joplin now like we treated Jamil back then.
I know. Not that either should be treated that way, but I understand the frustration more with Jamil. He was a bit of mystery as I always thought he had more to give.
I don't really understand that with Jop. With Scoopers thinking he has all this untapped potential.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 18, 2024, 10:19:11 PMButler 24/47
Marquette 32/75
I don't think I've ever seen a Marquette team attempt 25+ more shots than its opponent, and I'm not sure I've ever seen it in any basketball game.
This intrigued me. I looked back the past 10 full seasons plus this year so far... so all of Wojo and Shaka. 340 total games. The closest discrepancy in attempts was 20 in those games. 28 is a huge outlier. MU only attempted as many or more field goals 3 times in that period... all were 2OT games.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 19, 2024, 02:10:57 PMNothing like a day after win in December for Ners to jump back a decade to what got him banned. You know what, let's just play all the hits, what did Wojo's inherited cupboard look like? Maybe we can get MUFINY to chime in.
Remember the "should I impose a self ban?" Poll that was so lopsided he shut it down and said it was never finished so he wasn't going to follow through? Or the weird sucking up to John Dawson's Uncle and cousin on here?
Weird era of scoop.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 19, 2024, 02:04:26 PMSo I'm pretty neutral on Jop. Happy when he's playing well, my wife and I fist bump and say "jop drop!" When he's hitting threes but also I was cursing his name last year vs NC ST.
What I'm most curious about is what did Shaka see in him at Texas? I mean Jops a decent player and in certain systems he'd be fantastic but specifically how Shaka played at Texas I just don't get how Shaka thought he'd be incorporated unless he misinterpreted how much untapped athletic upside there was?
It is interesting that neither Marquette (pre-Shaka) nor Wisconsin offered him. I think he was considered a lower level D1 player with offers from Horizon League-like teams up through his junior year, but then he had a really good summer prior to his senior year when he got offers from Texas, Iowa State, Butler, etc.
At the time, Wojo had Justin, Oso and Dawson and freshman, and was zeroing in on Aidoo in the same class (who eventually committed) so maybe he didn't think he needed any additional front court players.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 19, 2024, 02:17:19 PMRemember the "should I impose a self ban?" Poll that was so lopsided he shut it down and said it was never finished so he wasn't going to follow through? Or the weird sucking up to John Dawson's Uncle and cousin on here?
Weird era of scoop.
To be fair, Ners plays the hits occasionally, but by and large is pretty level-headed and normal these days.
An early Xmas gift!
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 19, 2024, 02:10:57 PMNothing like a day after win in December for Ners to jump back a decade to what got him banned. You know what, let's just play all the hits, what did Wojo's inherited cupboard look like? Maybe we can get MUFINY to chime in.
Nothing like the Projo and Derrick Wilson fan club to bring up the dark days of MUSoop and Hoops, by comparing David Joplin and Derrick Wilson.
That aside, I have zero shame for being banned from this board multiple times for criticizing Wojo and his awful coaching nonstop for 6.5 years. Arguing with Scoopers who suggested and thought he'd be good "once he got all his own guys,"was no doubt a waste of time and a fools errand, because you just can't debate stupidity.
Was crystal clear 10 games into Wojo's career at MU that he was an awful coach. Yet we had Scoopers still thinking the guy had potential 5 years into his time at MU. Sorry you were one of those fools.
Imagine being so proud of your perm-ban that you keep making new accounts to say how proud you were of your perma-ban.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 19, 2024, 02:17:19 PMRemember the "should I impose a self ban?" Poll that was so lopsided he shut it down and said it was never finished so he wasn't going to follow through? Or the weird sucking up to John Dawson's Uncle and cousin on here?
Weird era of scoop.
Remember your constant support of Wojo? Weird era of Scoop for sure. And you're welcome to repost that poll. Go find it..I look forward to seeing the "lopsided" results. It will also illuminate nicely all the Scoopers who thought Wojo was a good coach.
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Checking back in on the Jop discussion...
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 19, 2024, 02:34:36 PMImagine being so proud of your perm-ban that you keep making new accounts to say how proud you were of your perma-ban.
Imagine thinking Wojo was a good coach for 5+ years. Talk about something ban worthy. That aside, congratulations for being on the wrong side of history.
Tell me more about John Dawson's G-League stats.
Cinema
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 19, 2024, 02:35:46 PMRemember your constant support of Wojo? Weird era of Scoop for sure. And you're welcome to repost that poll. Go find it..I look forward to seeing the "lopsided" results. It will also illuminate nicely all the Scoopers who thought Wojo was a good coach.
Huh? Are you mistaking me for someone else? If I recall I believe I said he was incrementally improving until his last year. I only argued posters who were so pessimistic it made the board unreadable and they were actively rooting for MU to lose so they could get rid of the guy. I stand by those takes. He was not the worst coach in history (see Kyle Neptune), and I'll always root for MU to be successful.
Also because you requested:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=45307.msg666234#msg666234
Not as lopsided as I recall but still a weird era of scoop
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2024, 08:56:14 AMI'd fire him
Agreed. Noticed last night after the players talked about Santa on the scoreboard, Shaka then said "Happy Holidays" 🤬
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 19, 2024, 01:02:17 AMTelfort only attempted two shots in the second half and went 1/2. Also got to the free throw line in garbage time.
Brooks only attempted three shots in the second half and went 1/3, though the 1 was an and 1. One of the missed shots came with 47 seconds left.
Excellent erasure of Butler's two best players who were killing us in the first half. Making players miss is impressive, but not even letting them get shots is on another level.
For those questioning Jops value (cough
@jesmu84 cough).
There were 28 possessions of man defnese in the second half. Jop was Telforts defender in 16 of them. In those 16 posessions, Telfort went 0/1 from the floor. Couldn't even get a shot off.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 19, 2024, 02:42:23 PMTell me more about John Dawson's G-League stats.
"Magic" Dawson
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 19, 2024, 03:02:15 PMFor those questioning Jops value (cough @jesmu84 cough).
There were 28 possessions of man defnese in the second half. Jop was Telforts defender in 16 of them. In those 16 posessions, Telfort went 0/1 from the floor. Couldn't even get a shot off.
Jop WagonStop Wagon
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 19, 2024, 02:49:53 PMHuh? Are you mistaking me for someone else? If I recall I believe I said he was incrementally improving until his last year. I only argued posters who were so pessimistic it made the board unreadable and they were actively rooting for MU to lose so they could get rid of the guy. I stand by those takes. He was not the worst coach in history (see Kyle Neptune), and I'll always root for MU to be successful.
Also because you requested:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=45307.msg666234#msg666234
Not as lopsided as I recall but still a weird era of scoop
Good find. Thanks. A fun trip down memory lane. I didn't recall it being lopsided either, which is why I put lopsided in quotes - 53 to 46 in favor of the Ners ban. Congratulations on being on the winning side of the ban vote, though.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 19, 2024, 03:17:34 PMGood find. Thanks. A fun trip down memory lane. I didn't recall it being lopsided either, which is why I put lopsided in quotes - 53 to 46 in favor of the Ners ban. Congratulations on being on the winning side of the ban vote, though.
I'd love a lesson in Scoop lore/history. Could someone tell me who Ners was?
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 19, 2024, 03:26:24 PMI'd love a lesson Scoop lore/history. Could someone tell me who Ners was?
He is the guy above you.
He's matured a lot, unlike the rest of us.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 19, 2024, 03:26:24 PMI'd love a lesson in Scoop lore/history. Could someone tell me who Ners was?
elonsmusk
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 19, 2024, 02:31:21 PMNothing like the Projo and Derrick Wilson fan club to bring up the dark days of MUSoop and Hoops, by comparing David Joplin and Derrick Wilson.
That aside, I have zero shame for being banned from this board multiple times for criticizing Wojo and his awful coaching nonstop for 6.5 years. Arguing with Scoopers who suggested and thought he'd be good "once he got all his own guys,"was no doubt a waste of time and a fools errand, because you just can't debate stupidity.
Was crystal clear 10 games into Wojo's career at MU that he was an awful coach. Yet we had Scoopers still thinking the guy had potential 5 years into his time at MU. Sorry you were one of those fools.
You're an idiot. You bring nothing to this board except humor. The kind where we are laughing at you - not with you.
I started this deal about Jop vs. Derrick. I DID NOT compare them as players. Period. I compared certain Scoopers takes on them.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 19, 2024, 02:19:17 PMTo be fair, Ners plays the hits occasionally, but by and large is pretty level-headed and normal these days.
Nevermind.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on December 19, 2024, 03:00:27 PMAgreed. Noticed last night after the players talked about Santa on the scoreboard, Shaka then said "Happy Holidays" 🤬
Can't even wish someone a Merry Toyotathon anymore. It's just the snowflakes ramming "Happy Honda days" down our throats at every turn.
Festivus is more scoop's speed. Especially the airing of grievances.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on December 19, 2024, 04:23:34 PMCan't even wish someone a Merry Toyotathon anymore. It's just the snowflakes ramming "Happy Honda days" down our throats at every turn.
... and back in MY day, it was the Sign AND Drive Event.
We did both simultaneously, and we LIKED it that way.
Quote from: Jockey on December 19, 2024, 03:57:40 PMYou're an idiot. You bring nothing to this board except humor. The kind where we are laughing at you - not with you.
I started this deal about Jop vs. Derrick. I DID NOT compare them as players. Period. I compared certain Scoopers takes on them.
Thanks for starting "this deal about Jop vs Derrick." Just the kind of high quality posting we need at Scoop. You bring so much value to Scoop Jockey. Please don't ever stop posting here you big brain!
Quote from: barfolomew on December 19, 2024, 04:30:30 PM... and back in MY day, it was the Sign AND Drive Event.
We did both simultaneously, and we LIKED it that way.
Lotta stuff being rammed down throats this holiday season. Love to see it
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 19, 2024, 03:02:15 PMFor those questioning Jops value (cough @jesmu84 cough).
There were 28 possessions of man defnese in the second half. Jop was Telforts defender in 16 of them. In those 16 posessions, Telfort went 0/1 from the floor. Couldn't even get a shot off.
You might have missed this post where I praised Jop's defensive improvement:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66671.msg1700777#msg1700777
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 19, 2024, 08:37:14 PMYou might have missed this post where I praised Jop's defensive improvement:
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=66671.msg1700777#msg1700777
I didn't. But it doesnt erase the post where you said the team would be better without Joplin
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 19, 2024, 09:01:07 PMI didn't. But it doesnt erase the post where you said the team would be better without Joplin
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That's true.
I still believe that though.
Respect the VersaClimber.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 18, 2024, 10:08:24 PMCrowd just seemed flat as ever. I guess I'll just be happy with the win against a team that's lost a crooked number of buy games. Time to go win at X.
Shaka said he was pleased witg the fans on a night with the students on break.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 19, 2024, 02:02:26 PMYou're right. Wojo is at least as good of coach as Buzz, that's why Wojo had a plethora of offers after being fired from MU. As everyone knows that's being objectively honest, Buzz did a horse crap job coaching MU his last season. That aside, even if John Dawson were a worse option than Derrick (which as you know I don't think was the case), Buzz didn't have the option of Duane Wilson or Matt Carlino to play PG.
Go take a look at Derrick's career stats on KenPom. Anyone who suggests a player like that was under appreciated or would be missed is simply lying to themselves.
Dude, let it go and move on.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 19, 2024, 03:26:24 PMI'd love a lesson in Scoop lore/history. Could someone tell me who Ners was?
The same guy who calls himself after a thief who stole companies from young entrepreneurs and claims technologies developed by them as his.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 19, 2024, 09:16:38 PMQuote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 19, 2024, 09:01:07 PMI didn't. But it doesnt erase the post where you said the team would be better without Joplin
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That's true.
I still believe that though.
Do you still believe it after X?