EDIT: Suspect down. 1 dead. Children transported to hospitals.
T's and P's. Hope this doesn't pull resources from protecting CEO's
https://nypost.com/2024/12/16/us-news/multiple-people-injured-in-shooting-at-private-christian-school-in-madison-wisconsin/
Impressed by the police chief who is speaking.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 16, 2024, 12:07:50 PMT's and P's. Hope this doesn't pull resources from protecting CEO's
One of Jeselnik's great bits
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PTmCxbcRXs4
5 dead as of now.
Just awful. Sounds like the suspect is dead and it was a juvenile.
Don't worry. I'm sure the politicians are on the case determining how many doors the school has.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 16, 2024, 12:44:38 PMDon't worry. I'm sure the politicians are on the case determining how many doors the school has.
Any word if the gun is ok?
Unfortunately no way to prevent this, no point in trying.
Americans have chosen this and accepted it as the norm. Sympathy, empathy, and prayers to the grieving families.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 16, 2024, 01:04:57 PMPolice have revised it down to 3 dead.
I'm seeing reports of 5 again.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 16, 2024, 01:04:57 PMPolice have revised it down to 3 dead.
That's a fair trade for freeedm
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 16, 2024, 12:07:50 PMHope this doesn't pull resources from protecting CEO's
Good news! New York is setting up a hotline!
https://bsky.app/profile/kenklippenstein.bsky.social/post/3ldgyd7bdrk22
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 16, 2024, 03:23:28 PMGood news! New York is setting up a hotline!
https://bsky.app/profile/kenklippenstein.bsky.social/post/3ldgyd7bdrk22
Saw that and posted it in the Luigi thread. Nothing more American than the death of a CEO getting more action from politicians than the slaughter of children as they attend school.
Absolutely horrific and tragic.
I hope Ziggy is unaffected.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 16, 2024, 03:30:31 PMSaw that and posted it in the Luigi thread. Nothing more American than the death of a CEO getting more action from politicians than the slaughter of children as they attend school.
Instead of the hotline why don't the CEOs just practice sitting quietly in a closet every few months like the kids do
Wow....A 17 year old girl was the shooter? That's pretty shocking.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 16, 2024, 07:30:41 PMWow....A 17 year old girl was the shooter? That's pretty shocking.
More shocking than there being a school shooting at this point tbh
Quote from: 4 Falling Turds on December 16, 2024, 07:38:13 PMMore shocking than there being a school shooting at this point tbh
It's almost unheard of so yes, it's definitely more surprising.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 16, 2024, 07:40:20 PMIt's almost unheard of so yes, it's definitely more surprising.
Boy I wish school shootings were unheard of. Alas
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 16, 2024, 07:30:41 PMWow....A 17 year old girl was the shooter? That's pretty shocking.
We positive on the gender?
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 16, 2024, 08:02:02 PMWe positive on the gender?
I think so but now they're saying it was a 15 yr old.
I grew up in Madison and my grandparents lived about a mile from the school so I've driven past it dozens of times. Has a decent reputation as a school that was considered rinky-dink and odd back in the day, to one that was a decent alternative for those struggling with the local public school districts. Really sad.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 16, 2024, 12:28:56 PMImpressed by the police chief who is speaking.
Why so, hey?
The only statistically significant difference between the USA and comparable nations is guns per capita
Still amazed at how poorly information comes out... 17 then 15... ok. But 5 dead down to 3? HTF does that happen?
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 17, 2024, 09:54:58 AMStill amazed at how poorly information comes out... 17 then 15... ok. But 5 dead down to 3? HTF does that happen?
My guess is that rushing to get the injured to the hospital ASAP means that imperfect information about their status clouds the stats.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2024, 07:37:13 AMWhy so, hey?
I didn't see him yesterday, but he has a very good reputation. I think he's a finalist for the job in Seattle.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 17, 2024, 10:12:23 AMMy guess is that rushing to get the injured to the hospital ASAP means that imperfect information about their status clouds the stats.
"Clouds the stats"?? You had people stating that 5 people were dead, when there were not 5 deceased. That's not a cloud. That's effd up
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 17, 2024, 10:22:19 AM"Clouds the stats"?? You had people stating that 5 people were dead, when there were not 5 deceased. That's not a cloud. That's effd up
No doubt. It would be nice if we could be patient and let them sort that stuff out though.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 17, 2024, 09:52:05 AMThe only statistically significant difference between the USA and comparable nations is guns per capita
Interestin' how the same folks praisin' Luigi's stones for shootin' an innocent man in the back, now are singin' da company line of guns, guns, and more guns. Oh, da irony, aina?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2024, 10:26:23 AMInterestin' how the same folks praisin' Luigi's stones for shootin' an innocent man in the back, now are singin' da company line of guns, guns, and more guns. Oh, da irony, aina?
Who's doing the bolded here?
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 17, 2024, 10:22:19 AM"Clouds the stats"?? You had people stating that 5 people were dead, when there were not 5 deceased. That's not a cloud. That's effd up
JB, cloud of war. Having been in and near mass casualty incidents, multiple victim shootings, (though not a school, thankfully), multi fatality fires, the flow of information isn't always perfect. Much like a game thread on scoop.
They went with the information they had. It was initially inaccurate. This sucks and there will be internal PIA's discussing it and learning from it.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 17, 2024, 10:26:23 AMInterestin' how the same folks praisin' Luigi's stones for shootin' an innocent man in the back, now are singin' da company line of guns, guns, and more guns. Oh, da irony, aina?
Yeah, probably not the irony you're looking for
3 people died and 6 others were injured at a school and some people are more worried that there's a conspiracy about how it was reported or why there was incorrect information out there.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 17, 2024, 11:44:02 AM3 people died and 6 others were injured at a school and some people are more worried that there's a conspiracy about how it was reported or why there was incorrect information out there.
Do we know what hashtags they used?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 17, 2024, 11:44:02 AM3 people died and 6 others were injured at a school and some people are more worried that there's a conspiracy about how it was reported or why there was incorrect information out there.
Was the reporter trans?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 17, 2024, 11:44:02 AM3 people died and 6 others were injured at a school and some people are more worried that there's a conspiracy about how it was reported or why there was incorrect information out there.
Maybe your claim is false as well.
Looks like daddy took weirdo daughter out shooting a lot to bond. Interesting.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 17, 2024, 12:52:14 PMMaybe your claim is false as well.
Looks like daddy took weirdo daughter out shooting a lot to bond. Interesting.
What's interesting about it? Lots of fathers take their daughters out to shooting ranges.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 17, 2024, 01:22:52 PMWhat's interesting about it? Lots of fathers take their daughters out to shooting ranges.
It's part of the Christian curriculum these days
Quote from: 4 Falling Turds on December 17, 2024, 03:31:13 PMIt's part of the Christian curriculum these days
Just enjoying their 2A rights. Don't see what the big deal is.
Hi guys. 5 dead, and a 2nd grader called it in.
Oh wait.
Pathetic.
And yet you are outraged by an initial inaccurate report. Don't be a hypocrite.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 17, 2024, 03:36:16 PMHi guys. 5 dead, and a 2nd grader called it in.
Oh wait.
Pathetic.
Probably was a mistake because two of the kids were merely in critical condition. Nothing to see there then.
We should be only drawing ONE important lesson from this and it's to not trust the MSM during rapidly breaking news and be exceptionally litigious about it!
Quote from: tower912 on December 16, 2024, 04:43:59 PMI hope Ziggy is unaffected.
First thing I thought about as well.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 17, 2024, 03:36:16 PMHi guys. 5 dead, and a 2nd grader called it in.
Oh wait.
Pathetic.
Ope, sorry your info is wrong. 2nd grade teacher.
If it is to be believed .. this post contains the manifesto of the shooter, such as it is. Very disturbed kid.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1868795614491800032.html
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 17, 2024, 05:25:05 PMIf it is to be believed .. this post contains the manifesto of the shooter, such as it is. Very disturbed kid.
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1868795614491800032.html
If this is true we're talking about a child who just turned 15. Why the F would you have a gun lying around and easily accessible to her within your house? It's ridiculous even if she wasn't disturbed. I believe the dad in Highland Park was prosecuted? Really upsetting if these accounts are accurate.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2024, 06:42:21 PMIf this is true we're talking about a child who just turned 15. Why the F would you have a gun lying around and easily accessible to her within your house? It's ridiculous even if she wasn't disturbed. I believe the dad in Highland Park was prosecuted? Really upsetting if these accounts are accurate.
And Michigan, and so on, and so on. And nothing changes because they don't want it to.
Quote from: Ghost of Christgas Passed on December 17, 2024, 08:20:09 PMAnd Michigan, and so on, and so on. And nothing changes because they don't want it to.
Who is "they"? Are you advocating a blanket gun ban?
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2024, 08:55:37 PMWho is "they"? Are you advocating a blanket gun ban?
Reported for politics
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2024, 08:55:37 PMWho is "they"? Are you advocating a blanket gun ban?
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Sounds like she was a far right neonazi
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 18, 2024, 07:00:20 AMSounds like she was a far right neonazi
Let's stop whining and complaining over dead kids.
Enjoy your guns. They are a gift from the gods.
Quote from: Jockey on December 18, 2024, 09:01:39 AMLet's stop whining and complaining over dead kids.
Enjoy your guns. They are a gift from the gods.
Jesus would be in favor of guns
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 18, 2024, 09:10:59 AMJesus would be in favor of guns
Well, except for nail guns.
Quote from: Its DJOver on December 18, 2024, 09:13:02 AMWell, except for nail guns.
I think he'd be in favor of nail guns. As an evangelical Christian, I haven't read the Bible but I'm quite sure Jesus said an eye for an eye.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 17, 2024, 06:42:21 PMIf this is true we're talking about a child who just turned 15. Why the F would you have a gun lying around and easily accessible to her within your house? It's ridiculous even if she wasn't disturbed. I believe the dad in Highland Park was prosecuted? Really upsetting if these accounts are accurate.
You do realize that probably 15-20% of 15-year olds in Wisconsin have ready access to guns? Wisconsin is a hunting state. Most of my friends had access to guns their entire life.
Quote from: forgetful on December 18, 2024, 09:47:03 AMYou do realize that probably 15-20% of 15-year olds in Wisconsin have ready access to guns? Wisconsin is a hunting state. Most of my friends had access to guns their entire life.
I had a friend in middle school who was shot by another friend as they looked at his shotgun. Luckily, he survived but was no longer able to play sports.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 18, 2024, 07:00:20 AMSounds like she was a far right neonazi
I guess as much as a 15 year old can be a "far right neo-nazi."
My guess is that there were significant mental health issues as well. That, combined with access to guns, is never a good combination.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 18, 2024, 09:56:28 AMI guess as much as a 15 year old can be a "far right neo-nazi."
My guess is that there were significant mental health issues as well. That, combined with access to guns, is never a good combination.
That's fair.
I should have said it better.
She was deep into the world of the far right neonazi thought.
Probably many variables led to that - home life, social life, covid lockdowns, etc
Was a Scooper her e-boyfriend she never met? SFYL
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 18, 2024, 10:16:44 AMWas a Scooper her e-boyfriend she never met? SFYL
I'm married but you'll probably never meet her, she goes to a different basketball fan site.
It's my constitutional right that it's too much trouble for me to put my gun in a secure locker. When I'm drunk and want to clean it with the safety off I can't figure out the combination.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 18, 2024, 10:02:47 AMThat's fair.
I should have said it better.
She was deep into the world of the far right neonazi thought.
Probably many variables led to that - home life, social life, covid lockdowns, etc
she also (allegedly) quoted the Unabomber's manifesto in hers. This is the second high profile killer in a few weeks who took inspiration from his deranged ramblings. Is there a disturbing resurgence of public interest in the Unabomber I don't know about?
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 18, 2024, 10:16:44 AMWas a Scooper her e-boyfriend she never met? SFYL
Something to confess?
Reminds me when I was maybe 10 years old, circa 1979 .. I befriended a classmate because he had an Atari in his basement.
He was not a natural friend, but Pong was really cool. In any event at some point I'm ponging it up, and I hear a click. He'd taken his dad's gun and 'jokingly' pulled the trigger at my head.
I think I said "quit it, you'll mess up my game" and went back to the Atari.
Ya coulda been just a fart in the wind, aina?
Good insight into the situation:
https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/the-madison-wisconsin-school-shooter
Quote from: jficke13 on December 19, 2024, 01:33:13 PMGood insight into the situation:
https://shatterzone.substack.com/p/the-madison-wisconsin-school-shooter
Hardly neutral source but some interesting info into a subculture that is concerning
Heard the gun was posting on X and Instagram weeks before.
Everyone should have seen what the gun had in mind.
Glad they caught the gun and it didn't get away.
Gas, electrocute or inject that gun.
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on December 19, 2024, 02:40:17 PMHardly neutral source but some interesting info into a subculture that is concerning
A subculture of blaming absolutely everything on transgenderism?
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 19, 2024, 02:46:49 PMHeard the gun was posting on X and Instagram weeks before.
Everyone should have seen what the gun had in mind.
Glad they caught the gun and it didn't get away.
Gas, electrocute or inject that gun.
Tired ass argument
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 19, 2024, 03:02:37 PMTired ass argument
American culture is rooted in guns and violence.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2024, 03:17:58 PMAmerican culture is rooted in guns and violence.
But not in mass school shootings. That's a relatively new phenomenon.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 19, 2024, 06:22:36 PMBut not in mass school shootings. That's a relatively new phenomenon.
Yeah that only became a thing once guns that could fire 10 rounds per second became easily available to our youth. That's what they had in mind when they wrote the second amendment.
Right. There has been shootings at schools going way back in US history. The difference in death toll has generally been because of access to powerful firearms.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 18, 2024, 12:49:53 PMshe also (allegedly) quoted the Unabomber's manifesto in hers. This is the second high profile killer in a few weeks who took inspiration from his deranged ramblings. Is there a disturbing resurgence of public interest in the Unabomber I don't know about?
Hopefully this doesn't get taken as political. I don't mean it that way.
But it is clear that there is a bit of a culture shift, particularly with young individuals. They seem disillusioned with the US culture, and want to see disruption/chaos and will openly lobby/vote for anything they see as possibly causing dirsuption/chaos. The extremes in this group want to see the whole system burn to the ground.
These particular people find the Unabomber intriguing and are going back and reading his manifesto and finding a like-minded individual. It is scary.
Wasn't there a unabomber documentary on Netflix recently? It's possible people watched that and that's a reason for becoming a little more relevant again.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 19, 2024, 07:57:00 PMWasn't there a unabomber documentary on Netflix recently? It's possible people watched that and that's a reason for becoming a little more relevant again.
Yes. It brought him to the attention of a lot more young people.
Quote from: forgetful on December 19, 2024, 07:54:15 PMHopefully this doesn't get taken as political. I don't mean it that way.
But it is clear that there is a bit of a culture shift, particularly with young individuals. They seem disillusioned with the US culture, and want to see disruption/chaos and will openly lobby/vote for anything they see as possibly causing dirsuption/chaos. The extremes in this group want to see the whole system burn to the ground.
These particular people find the Unabomber intriguing and are going back and reading his manifesto and finding a like-minded individual. It is scary.
This would be a great discussion topic.
Why are the young disillusioned with US culture?
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 19, 2024, 08:24:58 PMThis would be a great discussion topic.
Why are the young disillusioned with US culture?
What's our culture?
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 19, 2024, 08:24:58 PMThis would be a great discussion topic.
Why are the young disillusioned with US culture?
I think a significant number of Gen Z and Gen Alpha are incredibly cynical about the United States and the people who hold power. (Politics, business, etc.) They see people who are selfish and in it for themselves and nothing benefitting them.
We are taking about people born just before 9/11, and the decade plus war that followed, the 2008 financial crisis, and our toxic political culture.
Apathy, cynicism with some having a "burn it all down" mentality.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on December 19, 2024, 08:36:14 PMShareholder value
It is a legit question. And your answer might be legit, too.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 19, 2024, 08:36:16 PMI think a significant number of Gen Z and Gen Alpha are incredibly cynical about the United States and the people who hold power. (Politics, business, etc.) They see people who are selfish and in it for themselves and nothing benefitting them.
We are taking about people born just before 9/11, and the decade plus war that followed, the 2008 financial crisis, and our toxic political culture.
Apathy, cynicism with some having a "burn it all down" mentality.
This is a pretty good synopsis. I'll add to it, that they have grown up entirely in the cell phone/internet culture, where I don't think they feel as connected to others as individuals.
That leads them to being more apathetic to everyone around them.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2024, 08:37:49 PMIt is a legit question. And your answer might be legit, too.
I'm not saying this is every young person, but some view "our culture" as kind of a
"Go get yours" mentality. Cultural selfishness, of do what is best for you, and damn all else.
This in part stems from an immense pressure and expectations on youth to do everything. Do sports, be a member of 50 clubs, volunteer, and get a 4.0, all while trying to project an internet self/profile that fits some ideal not remotely associated with them as an individual. The result is never connecting to anything, having no idea who "they" actually are, and instead living a culture of checking boxes so you can secure your next thing.
I've talked to some youth, who feel alienated by this culture, because they truly crave an actual discussion and connection to someone, but can't.
It is kind of sad, and hard on them, especially the moment they pause from pursuing the next thing in the "Go Get Yours" race and actually reflect on themselves and their life.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 19, 2024, 08:36:16 PMI think a significant number of Gen Z and Gen Alpha are incredibly cynical about the United States and the people who hold power. (Politics, business, etc.) They see people who are selfish and in it for themselves and nothing benefitting them.
We are taking about people born just before 9/11, and the decade plus war that followed, the 2008 financial crisis, and our toxic political culture.
Apathy, cynicism with some having a "burn it all down" mentality.
Reminds me of the late 60s.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 19, 2024, 08:37:49 PMIt is a legit question. And your answer might be legit, too.
Yeah I was being serious
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 19, 2024, 08:36:16 PMI think a significant number of Gen Z and Gen Alpha are incredibly cynical about the United States and the people who hold power. (Politics, business, etc.) They see people who are selfish and in it for themselves and nothing benefitting them.
We are taking about people born just before 9/11, and the decade plus war that followed, the 2008 financial crisis, and our toxic political culture.
Apathy, cynicism with some having a "burn it all down" mentality.
Add millennials to the top of that. We came of age during 9/11 and the Iraq/Afghanistan wars... and then got to experience the Great Recession directly afterward. Our "HOPE" was Obama and he was sort of just a regular Democrat.
Quote from: forgetful on December 19, 2024, 08:47:10 PMI'm not saying this is every young person, but some view "our culture" as kind of a
"Go get yours" mentality. Cultural selfishness, of do what is best for you, and damn all else.
This in part stems from an immense pressure and expectations on youth to do everything. Do sports, be a member of 50 clubs, volunteer, and get a 4.0, all while trying to project an internet self/profile that fits some ideal not remotely associated with them as an individual. The result is never connecting to anything, having no idea who "they" actually are, and instead living a culture of checking boxes so you can secure your next thing.
I've talked to some youth, who feel alienated by this culture, because they truly crave an actual discussion and connection to someone, but can't.
It is kind of sad, and hard on them, especially the moment they pause from pursuing the next thing in the "Go Get Yours" race and actually reflect on themselves and their life.
Yes, to all of this. Plus, as you mentioned earlier, everything is amplified due to the pressures of social media.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 20, 2024, 06:18:19 AMAdd millennials to the top of that. We came of age during 9/11 and the Iraq/Afghanistan wars... and then got to experience the Great Recession directly afterward. Our "HOPE" was Obama and he was sort of just a regular Democrat.
And Obama's legacy will always be healthcare, and let's be honest, millennials, Gen Y and Gen Alpha don't really think about things like coverage for pre-existing conditions and access to quasi affordable average to good health insurance.
The self-justification to take other lives is the utterly horrifying aspect.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 20, 2024, 06:18:19 AMAdd millennials to the top of that. We came of age during 9/11 and the Iraq/Afghanistan wars... and then got to experience the Great Recession directly afterward. Our "HOPE" was Obama and he was sort of just a regular Democrat.
I intentionally did not include millennials because most who I know do not share the same degree of cynicism and apathy as the generations that follow. This is just my anecdotal observation, but millennials still have a degree of optimism.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 20, 2024, 07:44:43 AMI intentionally did not include millennials because most who I know do not share the same degree of cynicism and apathy as the generations that follow. This is just my anecdotal observation, but millennials still have a degree of optimism.
Yeah, that's anecdotal for sure.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 20, 2024, 07:35:27 AMThe self-justification to take other lives is the utterly horrifying aspect.
Kind of like when health insurance companies deny life-saving treatment?
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 20, 2024, 07:46:44 AMKind of like when health insurance companies deny life-saving treatment?
NCMU isn't wrong. The casual disregard for human life has always been prevalent in our society. There are a lot of tangents about that but the one that always makes me chuckle is when certain folks like to say how we're a Christian society and our nation was founded on its principles. That's never been the case.
I will disagree with that. The dissonance comes in through defining Christian principles. The Pilgrims and Puritans were following Christian principles by their lights. Conversely, they were persecuted in Europe because everybody else thought they were a-holes.
And, even then, and perhaps even more then, people used religion as a wedge, a crutch to influence their followers into doing things that had nothing to do with the teachings of Jesus.
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 20, 2024, 07:46:44 AMKind of like when health insurance companies deny life-saving treatment?
I am not a health insurance company CEO or someone that needs a life-saving treatment that was denied.
If you want to defend Luigi go ahead.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 20, 2024, 08:47:28 AMI am not a health insurance company CEO or someone that needs a life-saving treatment that was denied.
If you want to defend Luigi go ahead.
I'm not, I am just saying that those that do judge him should apply that measure on everyone. Killing is killing no matter how it is done.
The breakdown of the American family plays heavily into the behavior of today's adults and youth. The proliferation, prevalence, and acceptance of illicit drugs and alcohol contributes greatly to the actions of the user as well. I agree with the opinion that Elton John recently expressed, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 20, 2024, 09:42:56 AMThe breakdown of the American family plays heavily into the behavior of today's adults and youth. The proliferation, prevalence, and acceptance of illicit drugs and alcohol contributes greatly to the actions of the user as well. I agree with the opinion that Elton John recently expressed, hey?
<sigh>
Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 20, 2024, 06:18:19 AMAdd millennials to the top of that. We came of age during 9/11 and the Iraq/Afghanistan wars... and then got to experience the Great Recession directly afterward. Our "HOPE" was Obama and he was sort of just a regular Democrat.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 20, 2024, 07:44:43 AMI intentionally did not include millennials because most who I know do not share the same degree of cynicism and apathy as the generations that follow. This is just my anecdotal observation, but millennials still have a degree of optimism.
IMO millennials are on their way to joining Gen Z/Alpha on this. The DNC rigging the game against Bernie in 2016, the refusal to acknowledge an obviously impaired Biden until zero hour, and the ethical contradiction of a Trump-led republican party aren't doing anything to nurture millennial optimism.
Quote from: MUBurrow on December 20, 2024, 09:52:41 AMIMO millennials are on their way to joining Gen Z/Alpha on this. The DNC rigging the game against Bernie in 2016, the refusal to acknowledge an obviously impaired Biden until zero hour, and the ethical contradiction of a Trump-led republican party aren't doing anything to nurture millennial optimism.
Hey, that's cool. As I said, it was simply anecdotal.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 20, 2024, 09:42:56 AMThe breakdown of the American family plays heavily into the behavior of today's adults and youth. The proliferation, prevalence, and acceptance of illicit drugs and alcohol contributes greatly to the actions of the user as well. I agree with the opinion that Elton John recently expressed, hey?
Maybe having a family all but requiring a dual income household to live comfortably has something to do with that. Drug and alcohol use among teens and young adults is way lower than prior generations.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2024/12/18/drug-alcohol-use-low-us-teens/8521734530844/
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 20, 2024, 09:42:56 AMThe breakdown of the American family plays heavily into the behavior of today's adults and youth. The proliferation, prevalence, and acceptance of illicit drugs and alcohol contributes greatly to the actions of the user as well. I agree with the opinion that Elton John recently expressed, hey?
The breakdown of the American family in the 21st century is no less or more unique than it was in any previous generation. It's part of why the Industrial Revolution was able to exploit child labor. This is a tired cliche and crutch.
Quote from: Shaka Shart on December 20, 2024, 10:14:48 AMMaybe having a family all but requiring a dual income household to live comfortably has something to do with that. Drug and alcohol use among teens and young adults is way lower than prior generations.
https://www.upi.com/Health_News/2024/12/18/drug-alcohol-use-low-us-teens/8521734530844/
Not now with your facts.
Let the old man cook
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 20, 2024, 07:35:27 AMThe self-justification to take other lives is the utterly horrifying aspect.
The US has been doing that overseas for decades.
In the Madison school shooting case, Natalie Rupnow was a new student completing her first semester. Does not appear to fit the picked-on student getting their revenge.
Something much deeper. Appears she was communicating with a California adult that she let take her into a very dark place.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 20, 2024, 10:12:27 AMHey, that's cool. As I said, it was simply anecdotal.
Pretty sure its against the rules to correctly cite observations as anecdotal on scoop.
Ah, sepia tinged hindsight. Boomers practically invented recreational drug use. And did a fine job of breaking down the family on their own.
Quote from: tower912 on December 20, 2024, 10:44:16 AMAh, sepia tinged hindsight. Boomers practically invented recreational drug use. And did a fine job of breaking down the family on their own.
It's why that generation is terrified of history being taught to children. It isn't good
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 20, 2024, 10:27:17 AMIn the Madison school shooting case, Natalie Rupnow was a new student completing her first semester. Does not appear to fit the picked-on student getting their revenge.
Something much deeper. Appears she was communicating with a California adult that she let take her into a very dark place.
Her manifesto states she was picked on.
On December 17, Barnes told news reporters that investigators are looking into a "combination of factors," including the possibility that Rupnow had been bullied.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 20, 2024, 10:23:10 AMThe US has been doing that overseas for decades.
Yeah but they're a different skin color
Quote from: 4everwarriors on December 20, 2024, 09:42:56 AMThe breakdown of the American family plays heavily into the behavior of today's adults and youth. The proliferation, prevalence, and acceptance of illicit drugs and alcohol contributes greatly to the actions of the user as well. I agree with the opinion that Elton John recently expressed, hey?
What was the divorce rate for the boomer generation again?
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 20, 2024, 10:22:47 AMNot now with your facts.
Let the old man cook
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Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 20, 2024, 11:05:57 AMHer manifesto states she was picked on.
On December 17, Barnes told news reporters that investigators are looking into a "combination of factors," including the possibility that Rupnow had been bullied.
We should believe everything she has said!
Quote from: forgetful on December 19, 2024, 07:54:15 PMHopefully this doesn't get taken as political. I don't mean it that way.
But it is clear that there is a bit of a culture shift, particularly with young individuals. They seem disillusioned with the US culture, and want to see disruption/chaos and will openly lobby/vote for anything they see as possibly causing dirsuption/chaos. The extremes in this group want to see the whole system burn to the ground.
These particular people find the Unabomber intriguing and are going back and reading his manifesto and finding a like-minded individual. It is scary.
The reverence for the Unabomber and for similar individuals is disturbing.
The desire for disruption is understandable. It's the only thing that has ever resulted in meaningful change in this country and frankly, change is needed.