1. Kam goes out, Dayton goes press and zone. Wise.
2. It appeared in the first half that MU spent their week practicing defense. Less so in the second half.
3. Rebounding was the PROBLEM
4. Kam, perhaps you should consider not making cheap fouls. Needed the all American tonight.
5. Freshmen looking more like freshmen. Good and bad. Growing pains are part of the process.
6. Quit moving on offense. One of the things that always stands out to me. When a team stands still, they lose.
7. The announcers were right. That arena was waiting to explode.
8. MU struggled to defend in bounds plays. Out of character.
9. The first time all season MU has played a crap half with a full roster.
10. Stand around on offense, fail to secure defensive rebounds and you get the outcome you earn.
11. Congrats to Dayton. They earned it.
Marquette wins in a blow out with a fairly officiated game. The three tic-tacs on Kam, and just every call their way in the crucial moments of the game.
Players deserved that L. Shaka had them ready, that second half was abysmal.
Dayton played more like Marquette than Marquette in the 2nd half
We NEED a big. How many years
Turns out MU isn't good enough to not show up for a half and still beat a decent team
And a typically horrible CBSSN broadcast to boot.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 14, 2024, 08:07:53 PMPlayers deserved that L. Shaka had them ready, that second half was abysmal.
Make 'em take the Greyhound home
Worst collapse of the Shaka era. Too much panic by a veteran team and everything we worried about Ben came to life. No reason to lose that one.
Oh well 9-2 and time for the BE.
Did we stop Dayton once in their last 10 possessions?? Honestly wtf.. absolute train wreck of a half. Just embarrassing
We did not play with the proper poise, intelligence, or intensity in the 2H. And it manifested itself on both ends of the floor. Extremely upsetting.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 08:07:04 PMMarquette wins in a blow out with a fairly officiated game. The three tic-tacs on Kam, and just every call their way in the crucial moments of the game.
lol. No. They were out hustled in that second half pretty severely.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 08:07:04 PMMarquette wins in a blow out with a fairly officiated game. The three tic-tacs on Kam, and just every call their way in the crucial moments of the game.
I'm not sure they played well enough in the 2nd half even with an even whistle.
That said, Stevie's drive near the end was a good example. Fouled legitimately 4 times on his drive before one was finally called
The refs were bad, but we were absolutely terrible in the 2nd. It seemed like we had no backup plan when the defense couldn't force TO's. Stevie played his worst game since maybe his freshman season.
Can't dwell on it too much, it was a bad game in a tough environment. But we definitely still have things to work on as a team.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 08:09:44 PMlol. No. They were out hustled in that second half pretty severely.
Shocking take from you. Officiating matters in sports—a lot. Athletes are human beings with emotions like the rest of us. Marquette was coasting to a blowout before the refs had their say.
"Inconsistency"...as rosy eyed MU fans we think they'll play at potential all game every game. But they don't. Room to grow. Maybe by the end of the season they'll be a great team. Not now.
Go Marquette! Grow Marquette!
Refs were typically bad. We lost because they out hustled us. Doesn't happen often but it did tonight.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 14, 2024, 08:09:23 PMDid we stop Dayton once in their last 10 possessions?? Honestly wtf.. absolute train wreck of a half. Just embarrassing
Got outworked. Off the glass and give Dayton credit first continuing to attack downhill. Then Kam had a stretch where he was forcing with a bunch of guys standing around. Other than Ross, no one played well tonight.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 08:07:04 PMMarquette wins in a blow out with a fairly officiated game. The three tic-tacs on Kam, and just every call their way in the crucial moments of the game.
Unfortunately, MU played so poorly in the 2nd half, it surpassed any referees impact
First time I have seen MU that flat since last year's Butler game
A team that can't keep their composure against Dayton ain't goin' anywhere.
Dayton just completely kicked our ass. Congrats to them.
I could rage and be upset about a number of things but instead I'll zoom out and have perspective that it's been a good non conference season and we have a lot to be excited about.
This was a very good test for us and huge credit to Shaka for being fearless and scheduling this one. Don't think any other head coach in the country would have the courage to go into there and play.
Buttler is absolute trash. Need to smash them Wednesday.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 08:11:13 PMShocking take from you. Officiating matters in sports—a lot. Athletes are human beings with emotions like the rest of us. Marquette was coasting to a blowout before the refs had their say.
Blame the refs.
Pathetic.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 14, 2024, 08:09:56 PMI'm not sure they played well enough in the 2nd half even with an even whistle.
That said, Stevie's drive near the end was a good example. Fouled legitimately 4 times on his drive before one was finally called
They were fouling the ballhandler all night long. The difference is that Dayton got 6-7 of those whistles (to zero for MUBB), and three of them were on Kam Jones early.
What did Vegas know that we didn't. The game was not even close at the end.
The lack of rebound in the second half was the most frustrating part. For the most part, it was the Dayton guards that were destroying us on the offensive glass.
Let's hope the team learns from this one. They never should've lost this game. But they literally gave it away in the second half.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 08:11:13 PMShocking take from you. Officiating matters in sports—a lot. Athletes are human beings with emotions like the rest of us. Marquette was coasting to a blowout before the refs had their say.
Refs were bad. Not why we lost at all. Did you see all the offensive rebounds? Did you see the lack of stops at the end?
We were out hustled and out worked. Period.
Lost the 50/50 balls. Couldn't rebound. Kam can't keep being in foul trouble every game. Stevie needs to play much better. I like him looking to score when he gets a 1 on 1. They were collapsing in drivers all night and he kept forcing it. Royce will need to learn shot selection at some point in his career.
Can't wait for fieldhouse flyers novel. ::)
Hopefully, Shaka will be able to turn this 💩 into something that helps the rest of the season
Great victory for Dayton.
They won their super bowl.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 14, 2024, 08:12:34 PMWhat did Vegas know that we didn't. The game was not even close at the end.
The game was very close until the last 90 seconds. Home team rode the wave.
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on December 14, 2024, 08:10:17 PMThe refs were bad, but we were absolutely terrible in the 2nd. It seemed like we had no backup plan when the defense couldn't force TO's. Stevie played his worst game since maybe his freshman season.
Can't dwell on it too much, it was a bad game in a tough environment. But we definitely still have things to work on as a team.
Yes. We panicked for no reason known to man. And the overdribbling was insane in the 2H. Gotta be tougher and smarter.
Tough place to play, but we didn't rise to the occasion. Intensity wasn't there. Lots of standing around on offense. Terrible rebounding. Surprised they played so bad when they clearly have the ability to do so much better.
12. Stevie Mitchell had an awful night on both ends.
13. Ben was lost in the 2nd half.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 08:12:25 PMThey were fouling the ballhandler all night long. The difference is that Dayton got 6-7 of those whistles (to zero for MUBB), and three of them were on Kam Jones early.
You should probably learn how to be less emotional. The refs were as inconsistent as usual. But we deserved to lose that one.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:11:54 PMFirst time I have seen MU that flat since last year's Butler game
The NC State game was pretty bad.
First disappointment of the season. Veteran team completely lost their poise, Kam with stupid fouls, Stevie bad everywhere, wide open in bounds layups, wide open offensive putbacks, stupid turnovers, stand around on offense
Massive letdown after beating Bucky, but I guess no team is gonna be perfect
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:13:53 PMThe game was very close until the last 90 seconds. Home team rode the wave.
And Marquette drowned.
Dayton was so awful in the first half. Should have been up 20. They were super tough in the second half.
Quote from: jesmu84 on December 14, 2024, 08:09:56 PMI'm not sure they played well enough in the 2nd half even with an even whistle.
That said, Stevie's drive near the end was a good example. Fouled legitimately 4 times on his drive before one was finally called
Inability to control defensive boards killed MU. But our defensive intensity was stripped from us with the tick tack foul calls on Kam, and Dayton was very physical with us - Posh on Kam particularly.
The amazing Chase dunk was yet another example of us getting bodied like crazy and no call.
So many things out of character. So little movement on offense. So few emptying out a side and ghost screens. First time all season the rebounding was a serious issue. Stevie completely lost on both ends. Ben being g outplayed down low.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 14, 2024, 08:12:22 PMBlame the refs.
Pathetic.
Your posts in the game thread say everything we need to know about what kind of fan you are. Ready to fall into hysterics about this team at the first sign of adversity. Being a whiny, aggrieved brat is too comfortable a place for you and way too many scoopers.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 14, 2024, 08:12:34 PMWhat did Vegas know that we didn't. The game was not even close at the end.
We had 2 free throws to cut the lead to 2 inside a minute. It was a very close game. Just panicked at the end.
poor rebounding, lack of height, no transfers, SOS
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 14, 2024, 08:14:48 PMThe NC State game was pretty bad.
Nah. They just missed shots that game. They were out played tonight.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 08:16:35 PMYour posts in the game thread say everything we need to know about what kind of fan you are. Ready to fall into hysterics about this team at the first sign of adversity. Being a whiny, aggrieved brat is too comfortable a place for you and way too many scoopers.
As opposed to blaming the refs when the it was obvious the team was clearly outplayed?
Extremely frustrating loss but not a "bad loss".
Kam really needs to stay out of foul trouble. Don't even give bad refs the opportunity. His 3rd foul, which was completely unnecessary, changed the game.
Inbounds defense - brutal.
Turnovers leading directly to buckets - brutal.
Defensive rebounding - brutal.
Stevie was very bad. It happens.
Chase was ridiculous and we should ultimately all be thankful he's ok. I'll trade the loss for his health any day.
You obviously never want to lose a game but this is a good learning experience.
Butler should be scared on Wednesday.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 08:14:43 PMYou should probably learn how to be less emotional. The refs were as inconsistent as usual. But we deserved to lose that one.
You're not exactly on my list of people I take living well advice from.
Unless you're just trolling? I can't tell anymore since your insistence about Kam Jones being doubled in the Iowa St. game.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 08:19:39 PMYou're not exactly on my list of people I take living well advice from.
Unless you're just trolling? I can't tell anymore since your insistence about Kam Jones being doubled in the Iowa St. game.
You seem mad. Are you mad?
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 14, 2024, 08:18:57 PMExtremely frustrating loss but not a "bad loss".
Kam really needs to stay out of foul trouble. Don't even give bad refs the opportunity. His 3rd foul, which was completely unnecessary, changed the game.
Inbounds defense - brutal.
Turnovers leading directly to buckets - brutal.
Defensive rebounding - brutal.
Stevie was very bad. It happens.
Chase was ridiculous and we should ultimately all be thankful he's ok. I'll trade the loss for his health any day.
You obviously never want to lose a game but this is a good learning experience.
Butler should be scared on Wednesday.
it's not a bad loss before the game but it becomes a bad loss when you're up double digits in the second half.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 08:18:41 PMAs opposed to blaming the refs when the it was obvious the team was clearly outplayed?
Yes, officials had no impact on the tenor of the game. If you don't think refs effect the trajectory of games, I'd imagine you're not an athlete yourself. And well, that's pretty easy to imagine.
MU has room for improvement
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:16:32 PMSo many things out of character. So little movement on offense. So few emptying out a side and ghost screens. First time all season the rebounding was a serious issue. Stevie completely lost on both ends. Ben being g outplayed down low.
Stevie's worst game in a long time for sure. It's where having Sean as a change up sure would hace helped.
Also - if the bigs (Ben included) can't knock down those wide open 3s we really get one dimensional.
Quote from: AlienWarrior on December 14, 2024, 08:17:12 PMpoor rebounding, lack of height, no transfers, SOS
Are you seriously bringing up transfers?
Hilarious.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 08:21:23 PMYes, officials had no impact on the tenor of the game. If you don't think refs effect the trajectory of games, I'd imagine you're not an athlete yourself. And well, that's pretty easy to imagine.
Lololololol...
You pulled the "you must not be an athlete" less than 30 minutes after the game ended?
Too easy.
Anyway, they lost because Dayton out played them. It happens. Learn and move on.
What was most uncharacteristic and infuriating about today were the live ball turnovers in the 2H. I think we had 8. We weren't strong with the ball and got rattled. That upset me greatly.
Quote from: 1SE on December 14, 2024, 08:22:19 PMStevie's worst game in a long time for sure. It's where having Sean as a change up sure would hace helped.
Also - if the bigs (Ben included) can't knock down those wide open 3s we really get one dimensional.
Stevie definitely got a taste of his own medicine tonight. What do they say about teams that pressure don't like to be pressured?
People bring up stupid sh!t after losses. Always have, always will.
Speaking of which, surprised that NLW and Farley haven't weighed in yet.
Quote from: 1SE on December 14, 2024, 08:22:19 PMStevie's worst game in a long time for sure. It's where having Sean as a change up sure would hace helped
It looked like Sean was on the court but he was wearing #0 in light blue
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on December 14, 2024, 08:20:39 PMit's not a bad loss before the game but it becomes a bad loss when you're up double digits in the second half.
Thus the quotes.
This is the worst Shaka game so far, even had 2 TOs in his pocket, why Stevie PG, should had been Ross. Same out of bounds play by Dayton for a dunk probably 5/6 times and no adjustment?
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:24:05 PMPeople bring up stupid sh!t after losses. Always have, always will.
I know. It's fun!!!
-21 in the last 18:30. Refs or no refs ya ain't winning.
Brew was calling Marquette the Big Ten Champs...I think that makes Dayton the Big East Champs.
Beat UConn and now Marquette.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 14, 2024, 08:18:57 PMExtremely frustrating loss but not a "bad loss".
Kam really needs to stay out of foul trouble. Don't even give bad refs the opportunity. His 3rd foul, which was completely unnecessary, changed the game.
Inbounds defense - brutal.
Turnovers leading directly to buckets - brutal.
Defensive rebounding - brutal.
Stevie was very bad. It happens.
Chase was ridiculous and we should ultimately all be thankful he's ok. I'll trade the loss for his health any day.
You obviously never want to lose a game but this is a good learning experience.
Butler should be scared on Wednesday.
Who cares about butler.. worried about the next 2. 1-3 in this stretch would be catastrophic
Also, obviously JTY isn't ready. Because this is exactly the kind of game we could have used his ability to break pressure and stop the ball.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 14, 2024, 08:26:13 PMWho cares about butler.. worried about the next 2. 1-3 in this stretch would be catastrophic
We play Butler next, genius.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 08:26:33 PMAlso, obviously JTY isn't ready. Because this is exactly the kind of game we could have used his ability to break pressure and stop the ball.
Yeah Tre was really out of place out there. Just too fast for him tonight.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 08:25:51 PMBrew was calling Marquette the Big Ten Champs...I think that makes Dayton the Big East Champs.
Beat UConn and now Marquette.
Nice!
Depth was always my concern with this group, and boy did it bite em in the ass tonight.
Also Jop and Ben combining for 5 rebounds is so, so bad.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 08:23:39 PMLololololol...
You pulled the "you must not be an athlete" less than 30 minutes after the game ended?
Too easy.
Anyway, they lost because Dayton out played them. It happens. Learn and move on.
I'll take that as a "no". It fits too well with your dedication to being perceived as logical. But that was easy to see through in your depressing and predictable "I was just trolling, bro!" bit in the Iowa St. thread.
No one with any bball acumen needed to watch this game after the under 8 TV time out and it was foreshadowed before with the inbounding problems, easy steals, getting burned on easy in bounds, etc. It was obvious and decided by the under 8 TO.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 08:27:53 PMYeah Tre was really out of place out there. Just too fast for him tonight.
Tre has been disappointing. Certainly not giving up on him but we'll see how things play out.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 08:26:33 PMAlso, obviously JTY isn't ready. Because this is exactly the kind of game we could have used his ability to break pressure and stop the ball.
Very good point. Healthy Sean would have been huge in this game.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 14, 2024, 08:27:46 PMWe play Butler next, genius.
Which is an automatic win.. barring a fluke like last year. not worried about it.
IMO, rebounding was the negative domino that led to all of the rest of the negative energy.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 08:18:41 PMAs opposed to blaming the refs when the it was obvious the team was clearly outplayed?
Everyone knows it wasn't the refs, it was the black uniforms.
When Sean comes back, Norman's minutes will evaporate like a puddle on a hot summer day.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 14, 2024, 08:32:18 PMWhich is an automatic win.. barring a fluke like last year. not worried about it.
Great. So your response to my post makes absolutely no sense.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 08:29:33 PMI'll take that as a "no". It fits too well with your dedication to being perceived as logical. But that was easy to see through in your depressing and predictable "I was just trolling, bro!" bit in the Iowa St. thread.
Are you still doing this?
Notice how pretty much everyone agrees with me that this was a flat out loss? And your blame the refs nonsense isn't being echoed by anyone?
Take the L.
Learn the game.
Or just read my posts and gain enlightenment.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:32:27 PMIMO, rebounding was the negative domino that led to all of the rest of the negative energy.
100% agree. I can't count the number of times we forced a miss only to have them grab an easy rebound for an easy basket. Seeing that over and over was frustrating for me, so I imagine it was even more mentally impactful for the team.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 14, 2024, 08:32:41 PMEveryone knows it wasn't the refs, it was the black uniforms.
That's racist.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 14, 2024, 08:34:27 PMGreat. So your response to my post makes absolutely no sense.
Uh the comment is going 1-3 in this game and the next three is a disaster... I'm assuming a home win to a trash butler.. what are you disagreeing with?
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 14, 2024, 08:34:05 PMWhen Sean comes back, Norman's minutes will evaporate like a puddle on a hot summer day.
If, not when.
Honestly this must have been how Purdue fans felt watching our second half against them.
The guys were just flat and definitely could have played better. Chase was the only one with consistent effort the whole game. Jop is easier to defend than a 55 year old in rec specs and knee braces. Just run him off the 3 point line and he'll do one of his aimless drives to nowhere. Nice to see Lowery back and contributing.
I forget what coach it was - possibly Bobby Knight - who said that every college team will lay an egg once per season, no matter how good they are or could be. Lets hope this was it for MU.
Quote from: DJO's Jaw on December 14, 2024, 08:34:52 PM100% agree. I can't count the number of times we forced a miss only to have them grab an easy rebound for an easy basket. Seeing that over and over was frustrating for me, so I imagine it was even more mentally impactful for the team.
Dayton had 26 points at halftime. 14 out of their offense, 12 off of second chance points. They continued to use their offensive rebounding to generate offense and energy until they were the team flying around and MU was the team standing around.
Problem is with the Big East being ass this year, this is the last egg that won't really hurt. Any league loss outside of UConn, St Johns, maybe Creighton will be damaging.
I also thought Kam forced tonight in the 2H and we didn't get enough quality looks. Jop was very hesitant for some reason other than that strong o-reb and finish late. We are at our best when we move the ball and then attack. I think Kam got frustrated with his fouls, and their contact, but will learn from the this unfortunate experience.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 14, 2024, 08:40:29 PMProblem is with the Big East being ass this year, this is the last egg that won't really hurt. Any league loss outside of UConn, St Johns, maybe Creighton will be damaging.
Win the home games and the ones they're supposed to on the road and they'll be a 3 or 4 seed.
Once we got taken out of our man defense, the matchup zone we pivoted to limited our aggressiveness, which resulted in Dayton not turning the ball over in the second half. The zone also challenged our rebounding.
The key to this season will be if Ben can hit that pop 3 at a 40ish percent clip. His last two in the last minute were good looks and looked good off his hand/on target but neither fell. He makes either its a tie ball game.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:38:47 PMDayton had 26 points at halftime. 14 out of their offense, 12 off of second chance points. They continued to use their offensive rebounding to generate offense and energy until they were the team flying around and MU was the team standing around.
Ya.....I think this is fair.
- Dayton wanted it more. They deserved to win. We deserved the L.
- Kam needs to be smarter. He has to come out after he got his 3rd and didn't play well when he returned.
- tough game for Stevie. Not his night.
- While Zaide made some contributions, no one else stepped up. Freshman played like freshman, and Tre didn't help.
- Chase was incredible. Shame we can't enjoy it.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 14, 2024, 08:40:29 PMProblem is with the Big East being ass this year, this is the last egg that won't really hurt. Any league loss outside of UConn, St Johns, maybe Creighton will be damaging.
UCONN, St. John's, Villanova, Creighton, Providence, and Xavier would've all been Q1 road games going into today.
Congrats to Dayton winning their Super Bowl
I guess I'll have a beer. Wow am I angry.
I guess I will sleep like a baby. Stuff happens.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 14, 2024, 08:12:34 PMWhat did Vegas know that we didn't. The game was not even close at the end.
Not sure who you include in "we", but this is a game that I (and many others) always considered a tossup at best.
It's still very disappointing, though, to see the team completely fall apart after having a 13 point lead early in the second half. It's the kind of performance that raises some serious questions about the team's ceiling.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:32:27 PMIMO, rebounding was the negative domino that led to all of the rest of the negative energy.
Effort was the problem. In the second half, they beat us on the boards, they beat us to loose balls, they beat us to key offensive and defensive spots on the floor.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2024, 08:45:38 PMCongrats to Dayton winning their Super Bowl
Sore loser post sarcasm or not. insulting to Marquette
Quote from: Johnny B on December 14, 2024, 08:48:37 PMSore loser post sarcasm or not. insulting to Marquette
Eyes rolled out of my head
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 08:46:29 PMI guess I'll have a beer. Wow am I angry.
A beer?!? Jesus, Muggs, don't get crazy.
It'll probably never happen because that's college basketball, but I'd love to be able to trust a double digit lead on the road.
They got outscored by 18 in the 2nd half. A good team should never do that.
Oh well, not the end of the world. Just unfortunate.
Lappas really bothers me. I'm glad the Scoopers echoed my loathing of the guy. :)
Quote from: wisblue on December 14, 2024, 08:47:46 PMNot sure who you include in "we", but this is a game that I (and many others) always considered a tossup at best.
It's still very disappointing, though, to see the team completely fall apart after having a 13 point lead early in the second half. It's the kind of performance that raises some serious questions about the team's ceiling.
Not really.
Quote from: wisblue on December 14, 2024, 08:47:46 PMNot sure who you include in "we", but this is a game that I (and many others) always considered a tossup at best.
It's still very disappointing, though, to see the team completely fall apart after having a 13 point lead early in the second half. It's the kind of performance that raises some serious questions about the team's ceiling.
Not really.
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 14, 2024, 08:38:36 PMThe guys were just flat and definitely could have played better. Chase was the only one with consistent effort the whole game. Jop is easier to defend than a 55 year old in rec specs and knee braces. Just run him off the 3 point line and he'll do one of his aimless drives to nowhere. Nice to see Lowery back and contributing.
I forget what coach it was - possibly Bobby Knight - who said that every college team will lay an egg once per season, no matter how good they are or could be. Lets hope this was it for MU.
As an almost 55 year old I am offended by this comment
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 08:51:07 PMIt'll probably never happen because that's college basketball, but I'd love to be able to trust a double digit lead on the road.
They got outscored by 18 in the 2nd half. A good team should never do that.
Oh well, not the end of the world. Just unfortunate.
LOL
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 14, 2024, 08:47:55 PMEffort was the problem. In the second half, they beat us on the boards, they beat us to loose balls, they beat us to key offensive and defensive spots on the floor.
Potato, potahto.
Had to watch late. The reasons we lost this game are clear: lack of defensive focus in 2nd half and lack of effort rebounding. The refs were fine. Play a 2nd half with the intensity of the 1st and we win pretty easily. Dayton is a good team and they were more focused and out worked us in the 2nd half and that was the ballgame.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 14, 2024, 08:50:58 PMA beer?!? Jesus, Muggs, don't get crazy.
Should I have a St.Bernadus 12 or go lighter?
After tonight, Marquette has fallen to 9 in KenPom and is projected to finish 24-7 overall, 15-5 in the Big East.
The floor is the ceiling
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 08:53:36 PMShould I have a St.Bernadus 12 or go lighter?
Get high
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 14, 2024, 08:43:59 PMOnce we got taken out of our man defense, the matchup zone we pivoted to limited our aggressiveness, which resulted in Dayton not turning the ball over in the second half. The zone also challenged our rebounding.
The key to this season will be if Ben can hit that pop 3 at a 40ish percent clip. His last two in the last minute were good looks and looked good off his hand/on target but neither fell. He makes either its a tie ball game.
His problem was completely on the defensive end.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2024, 08:49:23 PMEyes rolled out of my head
[/quoteQuote from: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2024, 08:49:23 PMEyes rolled out of my head
You're the most the eye roll inducing poster on here. For some reason most people love the irreverent tiresome trash you post. you spam every thread and are worshipped for it. I'll give you credit.
Well Dayton gets last laugh, yet again. We couldn't even beat them with Dwyane Wade on our side. Time to just throw in the towel and water down the Big East more by adding Dayton and St. Thomas. The Big East has become an embarrassment anyways with another disastrous non-conference season and early flameouts every March besides one other school not named Marquette. We've proven time and time again we can't even handle Dayton regardless of who our coach is so I guess we're both mid-majors. Maybe they were the biggest game on our schedule, and not the other way around. Congrats to Mike Broeker for exposing us as frauds with his "brilliant" scheduling. Hopefully they'll beat us again next year at home to show they are more Big East worthy than we are.
Sadly, my preseason concerns about this team were exposed tonight. You can't consistently win without any inside post play and rebounding. Caeden Hamilton is our only player who is a classic 5 who can score with his back to the basket and rebound. However it's pretty clear he won't be the answer this year... and he hasn't shown much for me to believe he'll be the answer going forward beyond this year either.
I thought maybe this team might be different and be able to always beat a team they are better than, which last two year's teams couldn't do with constant losses to average Wisconsin teams. With a ten point lead at half it looked that this team might be different and mentally stronger, however the second half provided all the answers we needed to know about this team. In short we are not a top 10 team and our ceiling is another Sweet 16... and sadly even that looks unlikely now.
Quote from: Johnny B on December 14, 2024, 08:54:54 PMYou're the most the eye roll inducing poster on here. For some reason most people love the irreverent tiresome trash you post. you spam every thread and are worshipped for it. I'll give you credit.
Please drop some more knowledge on us about basketball. You've made some great points
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2024, 08:53:58 PMAfter tonight, Marquette has fallen to 9 in KenPom and is projected to finish 24-7 overall, 15-5 in the Big East.
The floor is the ceiling
Season over.
Quote from: duanewade on December 14, 2024, 08:55:24 PMWell Dayton gets last laugh, yet again. We couldn't even beat them with Dwyane Wade on our side. Time to just throw in the towel and water down the Big East more by adding Dayton and St. Thomas. The Big East has become an embarrassment anyways with another disastrous non-conference season and early flameouts every March besides one other school not named Marquette. We've proven time and time again we can't even handle Dayton regardless of who our coach is so I guess we're both mid-majors. Maybe they were the biggest game on our schedule, and not the other way around. Congrats to Mike Broeker for exposing us as frauds with his "brilliant" scheduling. Hopefully they'll beat us again next year at home to show they are more Big East worthy than we are.
Sadly, my preseason concerns about this team were exposed tonight. You can't consistently win without any inside post play and rebounding. Caeden Hamilton is our only player who is a classic 5 who can score with his back to the basket and rebound. However it's pretty clear he won't be the answer this year... and he hasn't shown much for me to believe he'll be the answer going forward beyond this year either.
I thought maybe this team might be different and be able to always beat a team they are better than, which last two year's teams couldn't do with constant losses to average Wisconsin teams. With a ten point lead at half it looked that this team might be different and mentally stronger, however the second half provided all the answers we needed to know about this team. In short we are not a top 10 team and our ceiling is another Sweet 16... and sadly even that looks unlikely now.
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Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 14, 2024, 08:12:39 PMThe lack of rebound in the second half was the most frustrating part. For the most part, it was the Dayton guards that were destroying us on the offensive glass.
That moment when Chase jumped up and caught the rebound with both hands, only to somehow lose it to a Dayton guard...
Can't remember the last time I yelled that loudly in disbelief.
Quote from: duanewade on December 14, 2024, 08:55:24 PMWell Dayton gets last laugh, yet again. We couldn't even beat them with Dwyane Wade on our side. Time to just throw in the towel and water down the Big East more by adding Dayton and St. Thomas. The Big East has become an embarrassment anyways with another disastrous non-conference season and early flameouts every March besides one other school not named Marquette. We've proven time and time again we can't even handle Dayton regardless of who our coach is so I guess we're both mid-majors. Maybe they were the biggest game on our schedule, and not the other way around. Congrats to Mike Broeker for exposing us as frauds with his "brilliant" scheduling. Hopefully they'll beat us again next year at home to show they are more Big East worthy than we are.
Sadly, my preseason concerns about this team were exposed tonight. You can't consistently win without any inside post play and rebounding. Caeden Hamilton is our only player who is a classic 5 who can score with his back to the basket and rebound. However it's pretty clear he won't be the answer this year... and he hasn't shown much for me to believe he'll be the answer going forward beyond this year either.
I thought maybe this team might be different and be able to always beat a team they are better than, which last two year's teams couldn't do with constant losses to average Wisconsin teams. With a ten point lead at half it looked that this team might be different and mentally stronger, however the second half provided all the answers we needed to know about this team. In short we are not a top 10 team and our ceiling is another Sweet 16... and sadly even that looks unlikely now.
I haven't been around long enough. Can someone tell me if this is one if the jokingly sarcastic personas or just an idiotic fairweather fan who only chirps when we lose?
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 14, 2024, 09:04:40 PMI haven't been around long enough. Can someone tell me if this is one if the jokingly sarcastic personas or just an idiotic fairweather fan who only chirps when we lose?
He once sent a note to moderators threatening to sue them, so he's an idiot
IMO, first time this year that Shaka was out-coached. MU generally comes out in the 2nd half and it's clear that they are going to be the better 2nd half team. Tonight, not so much.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 14, 2024, 09:04:40 PMI haven't been around long enough. Can someone tell me if this is one if the jokingly sarcastic personas or just an idiotic fairweather fan who only chirps when we lose?
It's certainly not the former.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 14, 2024, 09:04:40 PMI haven't been around long enough. Can someone tell me if this is one if the jokingly sarcastic personas or just an idiotic fairweather fan who only chirps when we lose?
He is known for takes like these.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:05:53 PM1. Kam goes out, Dayton goes press and zone. Wise.
2. It appeared in the first half that MU spent their week practicing defense. Less so in the second half.
3. Rebounding was the PROBLEM
4. Kam, perhaps you should consider not making cheap fouls. Needed the all American tonight.
5. Freshmen looking more like freshmen. Good and bad. Growing pains are part of the process.
6. Quit moving on offense. One of the things that always stands out to me. When a team stands still, they lose.
7. The announcers were right. That arena was waiting to explode.
8. MU struggled to defend in bounds plays. Out of character.
9. The first time all season MU has played a crap half with a full roster.
10. Stand around on offense, fail to secure defensive rebounds and you get the outcome you earn.
11. Congrats to Dayton. They earned it.
8. Out of character? Hardly....defending opponents inbound plays has been a Shaka issue.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 14, 2024, 09:05:52 PMIMO, first time this year that Shaka was out-coached. MU generally comes out in the 2nd half and it's clear that they are going to be the better 2nd half team. Tonight, not so much.
Yeah. Honestly I wish this wasn't the case but Grant won that second half. He's a good coach.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 14, 2024, 09:05:52 PMIMO, first time this year that Shaka was out-coached. MU generally comes out in the 2nd half and it's clear that they are going to be the better 2nd half team. Tonight, not so much.
Downside of doing tremendously well in the first half is that doesn't really allow Shaka to make his famous second-half adjustments.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 09:08:06 PMYeah. Honestly I wish this wasn't the case but Grant won that second half. He's a good coach.
He's a good coach and that's a good team, especially at home.
Total bummer, poor effort in the second half, really surprised Stewie got out worked and made uncharacteristic poor decisions. Chase is a dude. Lost our edge, confidence, whatever in the second half, did not look at all like the MU that has shown up this year. Frustrated because we had it in hand and fumbled it away. Move on, win the next one.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:47:08 PMI guess I will sleep like a baby. Stuff happens.
Wake up crying every few hours with a wet diaper? Me too.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on December 14, 2024, 09:10:39 PMWake up crying every few hours with a wet diaper? Me too.
And that's a TMI if I ever saw one!
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 08:51:15 PMLappas really bothers me. I'm glad the Scoopers echoed my loathing of the guy. :)
I enjoy Lappas. Calls a good game.
I don't get why people are so upset.
Dayton beat UCONN by 18 and should've probably beat Iowa State.
They are just good.
Top 2 in the A10 for sure
Quote from: duanewade on December 14, 2024, 08:55:24 PMWell Dayton gets last laugh, yet again. We couldn't even beat them with Dwyane Wade on our side. Time to just throw in the towel and water down the Big East more by adding Dayton and St. Thomas. The Big East has become an embarrassment anyways with another disastrous non-conference season and early flameouts every March besides one other school not named Marquette. We've proven time and time again we can't even handle Dayton regardless of who our coach is so I guess we're both mid-majors. Maybe they were the biggest game on our schedule, and not the other way around. Congrats to Mike Broeker for exposing us as frauds with his "brilliant" scheduling. Hopefully they'll beat us again next year at home to show they are more Big East worthy than we are.
Sadly, my preseason concerns about this team were exposed tonight. You can't consistently win without any inside post play and rebounding. Caeden Hamilton is our only player who is a classic 5 who can score with his back to the basket and rebound. However it's pretty clear he won't be the answer this year... and he hasn't shown much for me to believe he'll be the answer going forward beyond this year either.
I thought maybe this team might be different and be able to always beat a team they are better than, which last two year's teams couldn't do with constant losses to average Wisconsin teams. With a ten point lead at half it looked that this team might be different and mentally stronger, however the second half provided all the answers we needed to know about this team. In short we are not a top 10 team and our ceiling is another Sweet 16... and sadly even that looks unlikely now.
Always seeking a reaction.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 09:13:35 PMI don't get why people are so upset.
Dayton beat UCONN by 18 and should've probably beat Iowa State.
They are just good.
Because they blew a 13 point second half lead and lost it in a way that was not like how Shaka has lost games here.
Believe me, I am not "upset." But it's obvious why people are disappointed. Did you even watch?
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 14, 2024, 09:04:40 PMI haven't been around long enough. Can someone tell me if this is one if the jokingly sarcastic personas or just an idiotic fairweather fan who only chirps when we lose?
Neither, just a troll
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 09:13:35 PMI don't get why people are so upset.
Dayton beat UCONN by 18 and should've probably beat Iowa State.
They are just good.
I agree Dayton is good. But are you really a Marquette fan if you're not upset — especially after losing a very winnable game?
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 14, 2024, 09:19:59 PMI agree Dayton is good. But are you really a Marquette fan if you're not upset — especially after losing a very winnable game?
Some people process sports results more rationally than others. Some get mad, some convince themselves their team just sucks, some tip their caps, some get drunk like Muggsy and others move on quickly
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2024, 09:21:59 PMSome people process sports results more rationally than others. Some get mad, some convince themselves their team just sucks, some tip their caps, some get drunk like Muggsy and others move on quickly
I'm not getting drunk.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 14, 2024, 09:19:59 PMI agree Dayton is good. But are you really a Marquette fan if you're not upset — especially after losing a very winnable game?
It is a fascinating sociological and psychological study and always has been. As one who rarely comes unglued, losses provide endless entertainment and character revelations.
I'm annoyed more than upset. I shrugged after the Iowa St. game.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 09:29:00 PMI don't get drunk Rico.
And newsdreams doesn't get high
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 09:29:00 PMI don't get drunk Rico.
That's something a drunk person says.
Hey just got out of the bar ripping shots with Muggsy, anyone catch the game?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 14, 2024, 09:29:52 PMAnd newsdreams doesn't get high
Newsdreams doesn't get sober you mean
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:24:05 PMPeople bring up stupid sh!t after losses. Always have, always will.
Speaking of which, surprised that NLW and Farley haven't weighed in yet.
Seems like they are gone. They got tired of having to wait around too long to come over to troll.
As true a sign there is that we've made it
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 08:51:07 PMIt'll probably never happen because that's college basketball, but I'd love to be able to trust a double digit lead on the road.
They got outscored by 18 in the 2nd half. A good team should never do that.
Oh well, not the end of the world. Just unfortunate.
We're certainly a good team.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 14, 2024, 08:25:51 PMBrew was calling Marquette the Big Ten Champs...I think that makes Dayton the Big East Champs.
Beat UConn and now Marquette.
Yes, I called them as much in a couple Discord chats earlier tonight.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 08:07:04 PMMarquette wins in a blow out with a fairly officiated game. The three tic-tacs on Kam, and just every call their way in the crucial moments of the game.
One foul on Kam was questionable......the other 2 he deserved.......Shaka said it in the post game....." Kam has got to stop fouling"
Refs always have an impact.......we didn't perform well enough in the 2nd half to blow out Dayton tonight.......Chase post game " we crumbled" " we turned it over too much" " They ran the same p.ay over and over and we didn't stop it"
We lost the 2nd chance points and the points off turnover battle......and ultimately that was the difference......we can lose one of those and overcome it .........but not both......not like that.
E played a crap 2nd half and lost......the players know it......the coach knows it........it's ok for fans to admit it.
It's not the end of the world but that's what happened.
On to Butler.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 09:27:58 PMIt is a fascinating sociological and psychological study and always has been. As one who rarely comes unglued, losses provide endless entertainment and character revelations.
Yeah I see what you're talking about. Naturally I'd expect other fans to be disappointed/upset after a loss since that shows they care.
What I didn't expect, however, is for so many people to act like we're suddenly having the same season as Seton Hall. If this is what Scoop is like after a Q1 loss with arguably the best MU team we've had in ages, I can't imagine what it was like a few years ago.
I'm not disappointed that we lost but it's how we lost. I always felt that Shaka was a second half guy and we have seen so many examples of the guys just turning it up a notch in the second half. To see us kind of wilt like that was really uncharacteristic.
I definitely do not blame the refs. It was just poor play in the second half overall. I know Kam was dealing with the fouls but other than that early 3 pointer he had a very poor second half.
I kind of felt like I was watching Dayton Out-Marquette us in the second half. Getting easy shots, forcing turnovers, making threees.
Quote from: The Thing on December 15, 2024, 12:44:25 AMI'm not disappointed that we lost but it's how we lost. I always felt that Shaka was a second half guy and we have seen so many examples of the guys just turning it up a notch in the second half. To see us kind of wilt like that was really uncharacteristic.
I definitely do not blame the refs. It was just poor play in the second half overall. I know Kam was dealing with the fouls but other than that early 3 pointer he had a very poor second half.
I kind of felt like I was watching Dayton Out-Marquette us in the second half. Getting easy shots, forcing turnovers, making threees.
You're right in that we tend to be much better in the second half; Shaka and staff have proven that they're usually really good at making second-half adjustments. But as I mentioned either earlier in this thread or another, there's not much there to adjust when you have an exceptional first half, and that can be a disadvantage like it was tonight.
If anything, I think this loss just further demonstrates that, for whatever reason, we struggle to maintain large leads against highly competitive opponents. Not entirely sure how one improves that, but we'll definitely need to get better at it if we want to make a deep run in March.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:05:53 PM8. MU struggled to defend in bounds plays. Out of character.
Disagree that this was out of character. We have been terrible defending inbounds plays under opponents basket all year.
Quote from: WolfganghisKhan on December 14, 2024, 08:08:22 PMWe NEED a big. How many years
What? We have Ben, everybody's boy. We have Parham,who spends all his time jacking 3s, just like Ben. Shaka allows this.
This game exposed it all about thus team. Out hustled, out muscled, outrebounded by smaller guys. Totally totally, totally unacceptable and unexcused. When you get outplayed by a good mid major, that is what you are, a mid major.
Now let the drum roll begin in two...one...but the zebras, but Kams fouls, but life in the road, etc. There were plenty of bone headed plays made by Kam, by Mitchell by GooollllddddBrick. That out of bounds play where he received the ball and then handed it to the opponent for an easy toss in was a doozy. Maybe it was plays like that caused him to be bounced from New Zealand national team. When you vet players are not getting it done, this is what happens.
6 ranking? No.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 09:29:00 PMI don't get drunk Rico.
Abdominal Reeker dies not get high on himself.
Lots went wrong before, but Royce's 3pa at 4:02 was really a head scratcher to me. It wasn't a particularly open look and one that Chade or Kam probably could have got with Royce in position to rebound. I like Royce, and I know no one was really grooving then, but even having him on the floor there was a but odd.
The other thing that struck me was the we really were *unlucky* with bounces, etc. While some of that might have been effort, it just seemed like thar rebounds, tap outs, etc all just seemed to fall right into their hands. A particularly egregious on was that late 3 of theirs that airballed in the face of pretty good D and fell right into dude's hands for an easy put back. Again, lots went wrong we were in control of, but the basketball gods didn't seem to.be doing us any favors.
Anyway, losing sucks. It would have been awesome to be in the 1-seed drivers seat going into conference play. I don't think there's any silver lining here, but fortunately we have a team that should still very much contend for a BE title and a protected seed.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 14, 2024, 11:27:46 PMYeah I see what you're talking about. Naturally I'd expect other fans to be disappointed/upset after a loss since that shows they care.
What I didn't expect, however, is for so many people to act like we're suddenly having the same season as Seton Hall. If this is what Scoop is like after a Q1 loss with arguably the best MU team we've had in ages, I can't imagine what it was like a few years ago.
You ARE new here. For entertainment purposes, go through every game chat after the fact.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on December 14, 2024, 08:31:21 PMVery good point. Healthy Sean would have been huge in this game.
Yep. My son and I were saying it the entire game. Needed that extra ball handler/creator.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 15, 2024, 05:30:14 AMWhen you get outplayed by a good mid major, that is what you are, a mid major.
Of all the dumb willie takes...
I think Marquette will be in a lot of Dayton highlights film.
Quote from: The Thing on December 15, 2024, 12:44:25 AMI'm not disappointed that we lost but it's how we lost. I always felt that Shaka was a second half guy and we have seen so many examples of the guys just turning it up a notch in the second half. To see us kind of wilt like that was really uncharacteristic.
I definitely do not blame the refs. It was just poor play in the second half overall. I know Kam was dealing with the fouls but other than that early 3 pointer he had a very poor second half.
I kind of felt like I was watching Dayton Out-Marquette us in the second half. Getting easy shots, forcing turnovers, making threees.
Very good post and much how I feel. If we're the team rallying and come up short, I would feel very differently. Up 10 at the half and 13 in the second, that's when you need to step on the throat, and instead we wilted.
Quote from: willie warrior on December 15, 2024, 05:30:14 AMWhat? We have Ben, everybody's boy. We have Parham,who spends all his time jacking 3s, just like Ben. Shaka allows this.
This game exposed it all about thus team. Out hustled, out muscled, outrebounded by smaller guys. Totally totally, totally unacceptable and unexcused. When you get outplayed by a good mid major, that is what you are, a mid major.
Now let the drum roll begin in two...one...but the zebras, but Kams fouls, but life in the road, etc. There were plenty of bone headed plays made by Kam, by Mitchell by GooollllddddBrick. That out of bounds play where he received the ball and then handed it to the opponent for an easy toss in was a doozy. Maybe it was plays like that caused him to be bounced from New Zealand national team. When you vet players are not getting it done, this is what happens.
6 ranking? No.
Wardle needs to come home
Based on season performance and roster composition, willie, please advocate for the rotation changes that would help MU improve on their 9-2 record.
Quote from: duanewade on December 14, 2024, 08:55:24 PMWell Dayton gets last laugh, yet again. We couldn't even beat them with Dwyane Wade on our side. Time to just throw in the towel and water down the Big East more by adding Dayton and St. Thomas. The Big East has become an embarrassment anyways with another disastrous non-conference season and early flameouts every March besides one other school not named Marquette. We've proven time and time again we can't even handle Dayton regardless of who our coach is so I guess we're both mid-majors. Maybe they were the biggest game on our schedule, and not the other way around. Congrats to Mike Broeker for exposing us as frauds with his "brilliant" scheduling. Hopefully they'll beat us again next year at home to show they are more Big East worthy than we are.
Sadly, my preseason concerns about this team were exposed tonight. You can't consistently win without any inside post play and rebounding. Caeden Hamilton is our only player who is a classic 5 who can score with his back to the basket and rebound. However it's pretty clear he won't be the answer this year... and he hasn't shown much for me to believe he'll be the answer going forward beyond this year either.
I thought maybe this team might be different and be able to always beat a team they are better than, which last two year's teams couldn't do with constant losses to average Wisconsin teams. With a ten point lead at half it looked that this team might be different and mentally stronger, however the second half provided all the answers we needed to know about this team. In short we are not a top 10 team and our ceiling is another Sweet 16... and sadly even that looks unlikely now.
Need to hit the portal and get us an Aircraft Carrier
It was a very bad second half and out of character. Disappointing that they did not close out non conference with an exclamation point, but they did not.
Last year I felt they had a 4-5 game run post Maui that they did not look great and am hoping this is a one half thing over 4-5 games. No excuses, simply think they played poorly and were out hustled, which does not happen often.
Thankfully we had our three granddaughters over for a sleepover and watching the game closely was not easy. I did not get a chance to get all pissed off and very happy about that.
Quote from: tower912 on December 15, 2024, 08:41:14 AMBased on season performance and roster composition, willie, please advocate for the rotation changes that would help MU improve on their 9-2 record.
As much as I'd love an honest response to this, I do enjoy you asking as if his response wouldn't be more than "u guys all think shake is god but brick and dung sukc and portal Hurley"
Quote from: DegenerateDish on December 14, 2024, 08:07:53 PMPlayers deserved that L. Shaka had them ready, that second half was abysmal.
Exactly. And the stat sheet shows it. Marquette got out rebounded, out assisted, and turned the ball over more than Dayton.
Did it suck that Kam got that quick 3rd foul in the second half? Yep! but he has to be smarter than that and avoid it.
Quote from: Goose on December 15, 2024, 09:19:52 AMIt was a very bad second half and out of character. Disappointing that they did not close out non conference with an exclamation point, but they did not.
Last year I felt they had a 4-5 game run post Maui that they did not look great and am hoping this is a one half thing over 4-5 games. No excuses, simply think they played poorly and were out hustled, which does not happen often.
Exact same scenario at my house. I'm still upset at being burned on the inbounds so many times
Thankfully we had our three granddaughters over for a sleepover and watching the game closely was not easy. I did not get a chance to get all pissed off and very happy about that.
Quote from: tower912 on December 15, 2024, 08:41:14 AMBased on season performance and roster composition, willie, please advocate for the rotation changes that would help MU improve on their 9-2 record.
Better yet, please advocate your love for Wojo when you supported him for 2 years beyond when he was not getting the job done.
The rotation changes you asked for needs to be asked of Shaka. That is his job and his personnel.
But I dig your smart assedness.
Not one interesting, useful, constructive productive thought? Huh. How boringly predictable and in character.
I wish I could say I enjoyed anything about your posts. Or even found them interesting.
I always root for MU and therefore always root for the coaches to succeed. He has moved on and so have I. You should try it.
And it doesn't matter what any MU coach does or doesn't do. You will still be a whiny little....loser.
Dayton 2-0 in the Big East not counting that Xavier scrimmage?
Quote from: willie warrior on December 15, 2024, 02:33:49 PMBetter yet, please advocate your love for Wojo when you supported him for 2 years beyond when he was not getting the job done.
The rotation changes you asked for needs to be asked of Shaka. That is his job and his personnel.
But I dig your smart assedness.
LOL
Quote from: tower912 on December 15, 2024, 02:50:57 PMNot one interesting, useful, constructive productive thought? Huh. How boringly predictable and in character.
I wish I could say I enjoyed anything about your posts. Or even found them interesting.
I always root for MU and therefore always root for the coaches to succeed. He has moved on and so have I. You should try it.
And it doesn't matter what any MU coach does or doesn't do. You will still be a whiny little....loser.
I was pretty close
To all those ripping on our players and Shaka after a very disappointing loss, I just took a look at Kenpom. The four teams ranked LOWER than us after our loss are Kansas, Kentucky, UConn and UCLA. Take a deep breath and appreciate how far we've come, how good of a team we have and enjoy the rest of the season.
Quote from: Superfan on December 15, 2024, 04:44:03 PMTo all those ripping on our players and Shaka after a very disappointing loss, I just took a look at Kenpom. The four teams ranked LOWER than us after our loss are Kansas, Kentucky, UConn and UCLA. Take a deep breath and appreciate how far we've come, how good of a team we have and enjoy the rest of the season.
I agree with this analysis. Golden age of MU basketball at the moment. Enjoy it (even if the refs let Dayton play much more physical perimeter defense than we were able to last night.) But that of course isn't the only reason we lost.
Quote from: tower912 on December 15, 2024, 02:50:57 PMNot one interesting, useful, constructive productive thought? Huh. How boringly predictable and in character.
I wish I could say I enjoyed anything about your posts. Or even found them interesting.
I always root for MU and therefore always root for the coaches to succeed. He has moved on and so have I. You should try it.
And it doesn't matter what any MU coach does or doesn't do. You will still be a whiny little....loser.
Why go and Against our king?
Video of a Dayton fan smacking Chase on the top of the head as he leaves the floor. Ok then...
https://x.com/StephsRx/status/1868744307970326561
Fair enough.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 16, 2024, 01:52:04 PMVideo of a Dayton fan smacking Chase on the top of the head as he leaves the floor. Ok then...
(https://y.yarn.co/187ff90b-6d34-42a0-85b4-7fb4b058c3bc_text.gif)
That's about the average Dayton fan's respect for a minority, to be fair
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 16, 2024, 01:52:04 PMVideo of a Dayton fan smacking Chase on the top of the head as he leaves the floor. Ok then...
https://x.com/StephsRx/status/1868744307970326561
Stevie's mom is a gem. Can't say I'd have the same response. All this post did for me was piss me the hell off.