Major gambling sites (https://www.draftkings.com/) and bettor analytics hubs (https://www.sportsgambler.com/betting-tips/basketball/marquette-golden-eagles-vs-dayton-flyers-prediction-bet-builder-tips-odds-2024-12-14/) give #6 Marquette a low probability of victory today against Dayton. A few renown sites say to take Dayton moneyline. FanDuel has the moneyline for both teams at even odds.
Using statistics I plugged in from KenPom, I asked ChatGPT to run a simulation of both teams playing 10,000 times. The model concluded Dayton has a 48% chance of winning and the most likely outcome will be a 75-74 Marquette victory.
I was surprised by this data. Any thoughts on why Dayton is getting this type of favorability? Bet at your own risk warriors.
Life on the road in college basketball...
Gamecast: #6 Marquette @ Dayton (live box score, play-by-play, stats, etc.) (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401715481/marquette-dayton) –
ESPNDayton hosts #6 Marquette on Saturday (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2024/12/11/mens-basketball-mens-basketball-hosts-6-4-marquette-saturday.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 11, 2024
No. 6 Marquette Travels To Dayton Saturday Night (https://gomarquette.com/news/2024/12/12/mens-basketball-no-6-4-mubb-travels-to-dayton-saturday-night) – Marquette University – December 12, 2024
Get To Know A Marquette Basketball Opponent: at RV Dayton (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/12/13/24318629/marquette-golden-eagles-mens-basketball-game-preview-dayton-flyers-grant-smith-cheeks) – Brewtown Andy, Anonymous Eagle – December 13, 2024
Best of luck tonight!
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History of the Former Dayton-Marquette Rivalry (https://holylandofhoops.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7283&sid=0cf33f22fc185c5e7f229d0fdd827cab) – Fieldhouse Flyer, HLOH – May 8,
2020Quote1. Introduction
2. Early History: 1637 to 1881
3. From Tombstone to Nagasaki: 1882-1945
4. Post-War: 1946-1969
5. The 1970's: Al McGuire Takes Control
6. The 1980's to Present: Conference Affiliations and the Resumption of the Rivalry
7. More History
8. Marquette and UD Are Remarkably Similar Universities
9. Fandom
I'll now rank the Big East Schools that I root for, and my reasons for said fandom.
(https://onmilwaukee.com/images/articles/ne/newnames/newnames_story1.jpg?20050513142410)
1. Marquette (By a mile – no other school comes anywhere close.)
2. DePaul (I was a big Ray Meyers fan, and UD had a great rivalry with DePaul back when the Blue Demons had great basketball teams.)
3T. Georgetown and Villanova (I have great respect for them as outstanding examples of Catholic universities with outstanding academic reputations and NCAA champion-calibre basketball teams.)
5T. Providence, St. John's, and Seton Hall (I'm neutral about them, but that's better than disliking them.)
8. Creighton (Catholic, good academics, good basketball teams, and great attendance, but Nebraska is no place for a Big East team.)
9. Xavier (For over a century, UD's faculty, students, and alumni have justifiably looked down on Xavier as an inferior institution. It is not my place to challenge such a time-honored tradition. But at least Xavier is a Catholic school.)
10. Butler (I was a big fan of Brad Stevens, and there is absolutely nothing to dislike about Butler. However, I'm old-school, and as a matter of principle, I will always root for a Catholic school to beat a non-Catholic school, even though I feel nauseous every time that I root for Xavier to beat Butler.)
11. UConn (I have an extremely low opinion of UConn for reasons too numerous to list. As a matter of principle, I will always root for a private school to beat a public school.)
Needless to say, I'll be rooting for Marquette to win the Big East Tournament in March and the NCAA Tournament in April. A road win tonight over an apparent NCAAT-bound team will bolster Marquette's credentials for a No. 1 seed.
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The NCAA Is Adding Wins Above Bubble To The Men's Basketball Selection Criteria (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/7/11/24196421/ncaa-mens-basketball-selection-committee-torvik-wins-above-bubble-wab-criteria) – Brewtown Andy, Anonymous Eagle – July 11, 2024
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 02, 2024, 08:45:42 AMA new metric on the selection committees team sheet this season is Wins above Bubble (WaB).
Big East play won't give us many chances to stay in 3rd place.
Wins Above Bubble (https://x.com/jeffborzello/status/1863586586379636836?t=-LS9TwdwdzDjXO5NTJPqLg&s=19) – Jeff Borzello, ESPN – December 2, 2024
The WAB -- Wins Above Bubble -- rankings are also out on the NCAA's website. This is the first year the NCAA selection committee will take them into consideration.
NCAA Men's Basketball NET Rankings (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings) – NCAA.com – Through Games December 13, 2024
7 Marquette
20 UConn
36 St. John's
38 Dayton58 St. Bonaventure
67 Rhode Island
68 Villanova
69 VCU
71 Butler
72 Providence
74 Creighton
75 Xavier
84 DePaul
96 Georgetown
100 Notre Dame
184 Saint Louis
197 Seton Hall
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on December 14, 2024, 05:22:55 AMGamecast: #6 Marquette @ Dayton (live box score, play-by-play, stats, etc.) (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401715481/marquette-dayton) – ESPN
Dayton hosts #6 Marquette on Saturday (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2024/12/11/mens-basketball-mens-basketball-hosts-6-4-marquette-saturday.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 11, 2024
No. 6 Marquette Travels To Dayton Saturday Night (https://gomarquette.com/news/2024/12/12/mens-basketball-no-6-4-mubb-travels-to-dayton-saturday-night) – Marquette University – December 12, 2024
Get To Know A Marquette Basketball Opponent: at RV Dayton (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/12/13/24318629/marquette-golden-eagles-mens-basketball-game-preview-dayton-flyers-grant-smith-cheeks) – Brewtown Andy, Anonymous Eagle – December 13, 2024
Best of luck tonight!
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History of the Former Dayton-Marquette Rivalry (https://holylandofhoops.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7283&sid=0cf33f22fc185c5e7f229d0fdd827cab) – Fieldhouse Flyer, HLOH – May 8, 2020
Needless to say, I'll be rooting for Marquette to win the Big East Tournament in March and the NCAA Tournament in April. A road win tonight over an apparent NCAAT-bound team will bolster Marquette's credentials for a No. 1 seed.
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The NCAA Is Adding Wins Above Bubble To The Men's Basketball Selection Criteria (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/7/11/24196421/ncaa-mens-basketball-selection-committee-torvik-wins-above-bubble-wab-criteria) – Brewtown Andy, Anonymous Eagle – July 11, 2024
NCAA Men's Basketball NET Rankings (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings) – NCAA.com – Through Games December 13, 2024
7 Marquette
20 UConn
36 St. John's
38 Dayton
58 St. Bonaventure
67 Rhode Island
68 Villanova
69 VCU
71 Butler
72 Providence
74 Creighton
75 Xavier
84 DePaul
96 Georgetown
100 Notre Dame
184 Saint Louis
197 Seton Hall
The old rivalry between MU and DePaul when Meyer was there was great DePaul had some studs back in the day.
🙄🙄🙄
Nice post Fieldhouse Flyer. You seem like an extremely devoted fan.
Poor luck to you tonight, but good luck the rest of the season.
Hope Marquette can win in a tough road atmosphere. You guys are in good hands with Anthony Grant
Quote from: DoctorV on December 14, 2024, 07:02:04 AMNice post Fieldhouse Flyer. You seem like an extremely devoted fan.
Poor luck to you tonight, but good luck the rest of the season.
Hope Marquette can win in a tough road atmosphere. You guys are in good hands with Anthony Grant
🙄🙄🙄
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on December 14, 2024, 05:22:55 AMGamecast: #6 Marquette @ Dayton (live box score, play-by-play, stats, etc.) (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/game/_/gameId/401715481/marquette-dayton) – ESPN
Dayton hosts #6 Marquette on Saturday (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2024/12/11/mens-basketball-mens-basketball-hosts-6-4-marquette-saturday.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 11, 2024
No. 6 Marquette Travels To Dayton Saturday Night (https://gomarquette.com/news/2024/12/12/mens-basketball-no-6-4-mubb-travels-to-dayton-saturday-night) – Marquette University – December 12, 2024
Get To Know A Marquette Basketball Opponent: at RV Dayton (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/12/13/24318629/marquette-golden-eagles-mens-basketball-game-preview-dayton-flyers-grant-smith-cheeks) – Brewtown Andy, Anonymous Eagle – December 13, 2024
Best of luck tonight!
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History of the Former Dayton-Marquette Rivalry (https://holylandofhoops.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=7283&sid=0cf33f22fc185c5e7f229d0fdd827cab) – Fieldhouse Flyer, HLOH – May 8, 2020
Needless to say, I'll be rooting for Marquette to win the Big East Tournament in March and the NCAA Tournament in April. A road win tonight over an apparent NCAAT-bound team will bolster Marquette's credentials for a No. 1 seed.
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The NCAA Is Adding Wins Above Bubble To The Men's Basketball Selection Criteria (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/7/11/24196421/ncaa-mens-basketball-selection-committee-torvik-wins-above-bubble-wab-criteria) – Brewtown Andy, Anonymous Eagle – July 11, 2024
NCAA Men's Basketball NET Rankings (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings) – NCAA.com – Through Games December 13, 2024
7 Marquette
20 UConn
36 St. John's
38 Dayton
58 St. Bonaventure
67 Rhode Island
68 Villanova
69 VCU
71 Butler
72 Providence
74 Creighton
75 Xavier
84 DePaul
96 Georgetown
100 Notre Dame
184 Saint Louis
197 Seton Hall
Dayton sucks
Dayton is pretty good and playing at home. Fieldhouse Flyer, I appreciate your passion for your team and your ability to formulate a coherent thought. However, I want you to stew in misery tonight.
Dayton is a good ball club. They're quick and can lace the triple. They're very comfortable playing at our tempo and getting into a track meet. I think our mindset needs to be owning the paint and wearing them down. I'm hoping Jop breaks out today and our two other road games will have us in eagle-eye focus mode from the opening tip. This team can really get hot from downtown. We must eliminate that threat and usurp the long rebs.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 14, 2024, 07:31:25 AMDayton is a good ball club. They're quick and can lace the triple. They're very comfortable playing at our tempo and getting into a track meet. I think our mindset needs to be owning the paint and wearing them down. I'm hoping Jop breaks out today and our two other road games will have us in eagle-eye focus mode from the opening tip. This team can really get hot from downtown. We must eliminate that threat and usurp the long rebs.
And it's their Super Bowl tonight
Respect your opponent or look like an idiot.
Indeed.
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 14, 2024, 08:04:40 AMRespect your opponent or look like an idiot.
Who doesn't respect them?
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:10:32 AMIndeed.
I ran 10,000 simulations and they all came out the same:
Dayton sucks
I still believe Dayton could have won the Natty in that canceled COVID year
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 14, 2024, 08:04:40 AMRespect your opponent or look like an idiot.
Despite my talent, I'm not getting any PT tonight. I can say I hope we bury them despite our disadvantage of being in the Big East.
Quote from: MountainCreekHouse on December 14, 2024, 08:27:32 AMI still believe Dayton could have won the Natty in that canceled COVID year
So do Dayton fans.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 08:56:54 AMSo do Dayton fans.
Some people believe birds are real. Lot of idiots in the world
Quote from: MountainCreekHouse on December 14, 2024, 08:27:32 AMI still believe Dayton could have won the Natty in that canceled COVID year
Having a 22 yr old sophomore will do that
Haven't seen it mentioned verbatim yet, but spread is currently Dayton -1.5.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 14, 2024, 10:33:17 AMHaven't seen it mentioned verbatim yet, but spread is currently Dayton -1.5.
The ghost of Christmas Past still haunts UD Arena:
AP Men's Basketball Poll - December 24, 2007 (https://collegepollarchive.com/mbasketball/ap/seasons.cfm?appollid=960) - collegepollarchive.com
QuoteRank Team
1. North Carolina
2. Memphis
3. Kansas
4. Washington State
5. UCLA
6. Pittsburgh
UD HOSTS No. 6 PITTSBURGH ON SATURDAY AT 8 PM (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2007/12/28/MBB_2335.aspx) – University of Dayton –
December 28, 2007DAYTON 80, No. 6 PITTSBURGH 55 (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2007/12/29/MBB_2333.aspx) – University of Dayton –
December 29, 2007
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on December 14, 2024, 10:51:02 AMThe ghost of Christmas Past still haunts UD Arena:
AP Men's Basketball Poll - December 24, 2007 (https://collegepollarchive.com/mbasketball/ap/seasons.cfm?appollid=960) - collegepollarchive.com
UD HOSTS No. 6 PITTSBURGH ON SATURDAY AT 8 PM (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2007/12/28/MBB_2335.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 28, 2007
DAYTON 80, No. 6 PITTSBURGH 55 (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2007/12/29/MBB_2333.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 29, 2007
Dayton sucks
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on December 14, 2024, 10:51:02 AMThe ghost of Christmas Past still haunts UD Arena:
AP Men's Basketball Poll - December 24, 2007 (https://collegepollarchive.com/mbasketball/ap/seasons.cfm?appollid=960) - collegepollarchive.com
UD HOSTS No. 6 PITTSBURGH ON SATURDAY AT 8 PM (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2007/12/28/MBB_2335.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 28, 2007
DAYTON 80, No. 6 PITTSBURGH 55 (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2007/12/29/MBB_2333.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 29, 2007
It's wild being so mid major that you're still rocking about a ranked win from when the current freshmen were 1yr olds. Not even like taking down number 1 or something, just top 6.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on December 14, 2024, 10:51:02 AMThe ghost of Christmas Past still haunts UD Arena:
AP Men's Basketball Poll - December 24, 2007 (https://collegepollarchive.com/mbasketball/ap/seasons.cfm?appollid=960) - collegepollarchive.com
UD HOSTS No. 6 PITTSBURGH ON SATURDAY AT 8 PM (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2007/12/28/MBB_2335.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 28, 2007
DAYTON 80, No. 6 PITTSBURGH 55 (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2007/12/29/MBB_2333.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 29, 2007
Who the hell is this guy?
Quote from: MountainCreekHouse on December 14, 2024, 04:28:23 AMMajor gambling sites (https://www.draftkings.com/) and bettor analytics hubs (https://www.sportsgambler.com/betting-tips/basketball/marquette-golden-eagles-vs-dayton-flyers-prediction-bet-builder-tips-odds-2024-12-14/) give #6 Marquette a low probability of victory today against Dayton. A few renown sites say to take Dayton moneyline. FanDuel has the moneyline for both teams at even odds.
Using statistics I plugged in from KenPom, I asked ChatGPT to run a simulation of both teams playing 10,000 times. The model concluded Dayton has a 48% chance of winning and the most likely outcome will be a 75-74 Marquette victory.
I was surprised by this data. Any thoughts on why Dayton is getting this type of favorability? Bet at your own risk warriors.
Interesting. Out of curiosity, I ran my own Monte Carlo simulations. Over 10,000 games, using all available advanced statistics, and granting Dayton 2-points for home court advantage. MU still had a 56% chance of winning. Assuming a neutral floor, that was 60%.
Essentially anything less than a 4-point home court advantage and MU is the favorite.
Looks like the current betting line is 1.5. Based on the simulations, I'd take MU. Based on being a raging MU fan, I'd always bet on MU.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 14, 2024, 10:57:20 AMWho the hell is this guy?
The answer is in the screen name.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on December 14, 2024, 10:51:02 AMThe ghost of Christmas Past still haunts UD Arena:
AP Men's Basketball Poll - December 24, 2007 (https://collegepollarchive.com/mbasketball/ap/seasons.cfm?appollid=960) - collegepollarchive.com
UD HOSTS No. 6 PITTSBURGH ON SATURDAY AT 8 PM (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2007/12/28/MBB_2335.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 28, 2007
DAYTON 80, No. 6 PITTSBURGH 55 (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2007/12/29/MBB_2333.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 29, 2007
Why are we playing a team whose fans brag about a regular season game from 18 years ago?
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 11:00:41 AMThe answer is in the screen name.
I know, the question was rhetorical.
Quote from: MountainCreekHouse on December 14, 2024, 04:28:23 AMMajor gambling sites (https://www.draftkings.com/) and bettor analytics hubs (https://www.sportsgambler.com/betting-tips/basketball/marquette-golden-eagles-vs-dayton-flyers-prediction-bet-builder-tips-odds-2024-12-14/) give #6 Marquette a low probability of victory today against Dayton. A few renown sites say to take Dayton moneyline. FanDuel has the moneyline for both teams at even odds.
Using statistics I plugged in from KenPom, I asked ChatGPT to run a simulation of both teams playing 10,000 times. The model concluded Dayton has a 48% chance of winning and the most likely outcome will be a 75-74 Marquette victory.
I was surprised by this data. Any thoughts on why Dayton is getting this type of favorability? Bet at your own risk warriors.
I assume you're looking for a better reason than their good and at home?
If you would have watched them in Maui you'd understand.
They have been great at taking care of the ball and their offense has been elite.
Defense not so much.......should be a good game.
Dayton's guards are good enough that Posh Alexander is the 6th man. But their starting line up is small. If their forwards have to defend Joplin and Gold (make some 3s!), I think Kam, Chase, and Stevie can get to the rim.
Stay out of foul trouble, please.
Quote from: tower912 on December 14, 2024, 11:31:10 AMDayton's guards are good enough that Posh Alexander is the 6th man. But their starting line up is small. If their forwards have to defend Joplin and Gold (make some 3s!), I think Kam, Chase, and Stevie can get to the rim.
Stay out of foul trouble, please.
Not entitely sure that proves a whole lot
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 14, 2024, 11:09:23 AMWhy are we playing a team whose fans brag about a regular season game from 18 years ago?
It's a charitable time of year.
Buncha loser transfer guys. Super old group, but they blow. Go MU!
Sounds like a tossup.
(https://i.imgur.com/mOj3lyi_d.webp?maxwidth=760&fidelity=grand)
(https://i.imgur.com/S8M9Nnj.jpeg)
(https://i.imgur.com/tb1L1uv.png)
At least there are jobs in Milwaukee
Quote from: NCMUFan on December 14, 2024, 08:04:40 AMRespect your opponent or look like an idiot.
Hubris police are back.
This is strictly vibes-based analysis, but something tells me MU thumps Dayton tonight.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 14, 2024, 01:34:17 PMThis is strictly vibes-based analysis, but something tells me MU thumps Dayton tonight.
May your vibes be on point!
Just a heads up, download the CBS app if you haven't already. The game before us (providence/st bonaventure) is only at the half.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 14, 2024, 05:14:36 PMJust a heads up, download the CBS app if you haven't already. The game before us (providence/st bonaventure) is only at the half.
You're a real one for that.
So Vegas was right
Dayton rallies from 13 points down to beat No. 6 Marquette 71-63 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap/_/gameId/401715481) – Associated Press – December 14, 2024
No. 6 Marquette Falls 71-63 At Dayton Saturday Night (https://gomarquette.com/news/2024/12/14/mens-basketball-mubb-at-dayton) – Marquette University – December 14, 2024
Flyers Upset No. 6 Marquette At UD Arena (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2024/12/14/mens-basketball-upsets-6-marquette-at-home.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 14, 2024
Needed More Goon Mentality: RV Dayton 71, No. 6 Marquette 63 (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/12/14/24321482/marquette-golden-eagles-mens-basketball-game-recap-dayton-flyers) – Brewtown Andy, Anonymous Eagle – December 14, 2024
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The NCAA Is Adding Wins Above Bubble To The Men's Basketball Selection Criteria (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/7/11/24196421/ncaa-mens-basketball-selection-committee-torvik-wins-above-bubble-wab-criteria) – Brewtown Andy, Anonymous Eagle – July 11, 2024
NCAA Men's Basketball NET Rankings (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings) – NCAA.com – Through Games December 14, 2024
9 Marquette
11 UConn
23 Dayton
37 St. John's53 St. Bonaventure
63 VCU
67 Creighton
68 Rhode Island
69 DePaul
70 Villanova
74 Providence
76 Butler
77 Xavier
91 Georgetown
99 Notre Dame
182 Seton Hall
186 Saint Louis
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Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on December 14, 2024, 05:22:55 AMNeedless to say, I'll be rooting for Marquette to win the Big East Tournament in March and the NCAA Tournament in April.
Best of luck to the Warriors for the rest of the season!
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on December 15, 2024, 09:13:43 AMDayton rallies from 13 points down to beat No. 6 Marquette 71-63 (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/recap/_/gameId/401715481) – Associated Press – December 14, 2024
No. 6 Marquette Falls 71-63 At Dayton Saturday Night (https://gomarquette.com/news/2024/12/14/mens-basketball-mubb-at-dayton) – Marquette University – December 14, 2024
Flyers Upset No. 6 Marquette At UD Arena (https://daytonflyers.com/news/2024/12/14/mens-basketball-upsets-6-marquette-at-home.aspx) – University of Dayton – December 14, 2024
Needed More Goon Mentality: RV Dayton 71, No. 6 Marquette 63 (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/12/14/24321482/marquette-golden-eagles-mens-basketball-game-recap-dayton-flyers) – Brewtown Andy, Anonymous Eagle – December 14, 2024
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The NCAA Is Adding Wins Above Bubble To The Men's Basketball Selection Criteria (https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/7/11/24196421/ncaa-mens-basketball-selection-committee-torvik-wins-above-bubble-wab-criteria) – Brewtown Andy, Anonymous Eagle – July 11, 2024
NCAA Men's Basketball NET Rankings (https://www.ncaa.com/rankings/basketball-men/d1/ncaa-mens-basketball-net-rankings) – NCAA.com – Through Games December 14, 2024
9 Marquette
11 UConn
23 Dayton
37 St. John's
53 St. Bonaventure
63 VCU
67 Creighton
68 Rhode Island
69 DePaul
70 Villanova
74 Providence
76 Butler
77 Xavier
91 Georgetown
99 Notre Dame
182 Seton Hall
186 Saint Louis
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Best of luck to the Warriors for the rest of the season!
Nobody cares.
Well done, ff.