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Title: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: PaintTouches on December 09, 2024, 02:01:13 PM
If you don't understand the reference in the title, consider yourself lucky. But if you want to learn a bit more about why Chase Ross is the heart of MU's violent defense, boy do I have the link for you.

https://painttouches.com/2024/12/09/chase-is-on-the-case-marquette-ross-defense/
 (https://painttouches.com/2024/12/09/chase-is-on-the-case-marquette-ross-defense/)
Here's a split of MU's numbers with and without Chase on the floor, vs top-100 teams. More context in the article.

(https://painttouches.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/12/image.png)
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 02:09:10 PM
Chase's disruptiveness and ability to guard anyone has offset TKo's departure.   Chase is fine on offense, but a force on defense.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Shooter McGavin on December 09, 2024, 02:27:35 PM
Thanks for the analysis. Like Shaka says, Ross is a dude!
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 09, 2024, 03:18:01 PM
Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 02:09:10 PMChase's disruptiveness and ability to guard anyone has offset TKo's departure.   Chase is fine on offense, but a force on defense.

Chase has improved a ton on offense. His eFG% is up 7.5 points. His assist rate has tripled from 4.8% to 14.5%. And his TO rate has dipped slightly from 14.8% to 12.5%.

A slight uptick in usage from 14.6% to 17.3%.  But a huge boost in O-rating from 103.5 to 125.4.

Even against top 100 opponents, Chase's O-rating is up from 97.0 to 112.8.  Against top 50, it's even better: 91.7 to 115.6.

So, as much as Chase's defense has given us a boost, his offensive improvement has helped Marquette maintain its offensive prowess.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: AlumKCof93 on December 09, 2024, 03:30:51 PM
Chase is a beast, and a joy to watch. His next step is with his handle and shooting off the dribble.  If he can be consistent attacking and finishing, he's as dangerous as anyone.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Milkshakes on December 09, 2024, 04:38:08 PM
Great article.  Chase is such an amazing athlete.  On that put back attempt it is like he is defying gravity and floating.  I wonder if he missed his calling.  He would be an amazing safety. 
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: MU82 on December 09, 2024, 05:15:45 PM
Off-day discussion ...

Can a legit argument be made that this year's Kam-Stevie-Chase backcourt is better all-around than last year's TK-Kam-Stevie backcourt?

I'd say yes.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: GB Warrior on December 09, 2024, 05:47:09 PM
Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2024, 05:15:45 PMOff-day discussion ...

Can a legit argument be made that this year's Kam-Stevie-Chase backcourt is better all-around than last year's TK-Kam-Stevie backcourt?

I'd say yes.

Would like to see the efficiency numbers for them. Tough to isolated the variables because one of them has an elite secondary ball handler in Oso.

But Kam was not initiating nearly as many actions as he is this year because so many of them revolved around Kolek and Oso.

Fun to watch the identity of this particular team
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: wadesworld on December 09, 2024, 05:50:30 PM
Give me both Chase and Stevie over the 4 time BEDPOY winner Kalk.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 05:54:25 PM
Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2024, 05:15:45 PMOff-day discussion ...

Can a legit argument be made that this year's Kam-Stevie-Chase backcourt is better all-around than last year's TK-Kam-Stevie backcourt?

I'd say yes.
No drop-off.   Kam is filling TKO's shoes exceptionally well.  Stevie is a little better, so far.  Chase isn't junior year Kam, but his usage and efficiency are both up.  Chase's defense is better than TKo's.

Such a gift to basically be able to shut down a PG and a wing.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Jockey on December 09, 2024, 06:08:21 PM
Quote from: Apolitical Warrior on December 09, 2024, 05:47:09 PMWould like to see the efficiency numbers for them. Tough to isolated the variables because one of them has an elite secondary ball handler in Oso.

But Kam was not initiating nearly as many actions as he is this year because so many of them revolved around Kolek and Oso.

Fun to watch the identity of this particular team

That is what is so great about college basketball. And, next year's team will look completely different - which will be great fun as well.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Lennys Tap on December 09, 2024, 06:37:47 PM
Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2024, 05:15:45 PMOff-day discussion ...

Can a legit argument be made that this year's Kam-Stevie-Chase backcourt is better all-around than last year's TK-Kam-Stevie backcourt?

I'd say yes.

I'd say yes, too. TK was the best PG in MU history and a 1st team AA but Kam and Stevie are much improved and Chase is healthy. What we don't have (yet) is a guard off the bench of Chase's quality. Could be Owens (soon). One of the reasons our guards are so good/improved is the driving lanes are much more open this year because our center has to be guarded away from the basket.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Newsdreams on December 09, 2024, 08:30:21 PM
Love TK but he isn't the greatest PG in MU history
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 08:35:38 PM
Chase-tity.  Does not allow penetration.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Shaka Shart on December 09, 2024, 08:44:58 PM
Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 08:35:38 PMChase-tity.  Does not allow penetration.

I'd contribute to his NIL for that shirt I'd be too bashful to wear in public
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 09, 2024, 09:58:23 PM
Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 08:35:38 PMChase-tity.  Does not allow penetration.

You deserve a good belt.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: wisblue on December 10, 2024, 06:40:01 AM
There's no telling how differently the UW game might have gone without Ross' contributions, or how his presence might have affected the ISU game.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 10, 2024, 08:46:54 AM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 09, 2024, 08:30:21 PMLove TK but he isn't the greatest PG in MU history

Wasted again?
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Newsdreams on December 10, 2024, 11:09:06 AM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 10, 2024, 08:46:54 AMWasted again?
Nope
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 10, 2024, 11:29:57 AM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 10, 2024, 11:09:06 AMNope

Exactly what a wasted person would say 11am.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: TallTitan34 on December 10, 2024, 11:56:17 AM
Quote from: Milkshakes on December 09, 2024, 04:38:08 PMGreat article.  Chase is such an amazing athlete.  On that put back attempt it is like he is defying gravity and floating.  I wonder if he missed his calling.  He would be an amazing safety. 

I forgot what podcast I was listening to but they described Marquette as a team full of cornerbacks.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: swoopem on December 10, 2024, 12:05:32 PM
Quote from: Milkshakes on December 09, 2024, 04:38:08 PMGreat article.  Chase is such an amazing athlete.  On that put back attempt it is like he is defying gravity and floating.  I wonder if he missed his calling.  He would be an amazing safety. 

On the Marquette basketball hour Shaka said his dad was a defensive back at Texas Tech. Makes sense watching Chase play
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: PaintTouches on December 10, 2024, 12:48:10 PM
Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2024, 05:15:45 PMOff-day discussion ...

Can a legit argument be made that this year's Kam-Stevie-Chase backcourt is better all-around than last year's TK-Kam-Stevie backcourt?

I'd say yes.

I'd say it's a legit Q, which seemed crazy to suggest even 40 days ago. Stats through 10 games.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037928461857194046/1316114022336303134/image.png?ex=6759de33&is=67588cb3&hm=1109dc42dfad83ea5616ce507a18d7e0595c673b5e5f35bb7bed7c4ac660d92e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless)

Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: JakeBarnes on December 10, 2024, 12:51:12 PM
Quote from: swoopem on December 10, 2024, 12:05:32 PMOn the Marquette basketball hour Shaka said his dad was a defensive back at Texas Tech. Makes sense watching Chase play

The trend will continue. Adrian Stevens' dad was a DE/LB for Michigan.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Carl on December 10, 2024, 12:53:11 PM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 10, 2024, 11:56:17 AMI forgot what podcast I was listening to but they described Marquette as a team full of cornerbacks.

This hits home for me. My wife is tired of me telling her that Chase Ross would be a starting safety at most Big 18 schools
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: K1 Lover on December 10, 2024, 01:17:08 PM
Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 10, 2024, 11:56:17 AMI forgot what podcast I was listening to but they described Marquette as a team full of cornerbacks.

I remember hearing the same thing. I think it was Rob Dauster during one of their DTF episodes on F68. Either that, or Robbie Hummel on his show with Goodman.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: MU82 on December 10, 2024, 03:34:10 PM
Quote from: PaintTouches on December 10, 2024, 12:48:10 PMI'd say it's a legit Q, which seemed crazy to suggest even 40 days ago. Stats through 10 games.

(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1037928461857194046/1316114022336303134/image.png?ex=6759de33&is=67588cb3&hm=1109dc42dfad83ea5616ce507a18d7e0595c673b5e5f35bb7bed7c4ac660d92e&=&format=webp&quality=lossless)



Thanks for these illuminating stats (and the stuff in your article). If there's a better all-around backcourt trio in the country, I haven't seen it. I do think that the improvement of Stevie and Chase on offense, the All-American-caliber PG play of Kam, and Chase's defensive presence as a 30+ minute player really does make this backcourt better than last year's with TK. Which is something. 

I agree with Lenny that what could really make this already special backcourt even more incredible would be the emergence of a standout off the bench. It definitely could be Owens in the not-distant future, or maybe Sean really does return with full health and quickness. Or, best yet ... both!

Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Newsdreams on December 10, 2024, 09:03:53 PM
Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 10, 2024, 11:29:57 AMExactly what a wasted person would say 11am.
You're just way too young. You never saw the great ones
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: Galway Eagle on December 10, 2024, 11:55:09 PM
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 10, 2024, 09:03:53 PMYou're just way too young. You never saw the great ones

I remember Wilfred dukes Duford & Dick Quinn leading us to a 19-2 season in 1922. Nobody's been on that level since
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: BM1090 on December 10, 2024, 11:59:49 PM
Not sure which backcourt was better, but I'm confident this MU team is better than last year's team. Huge strengths (TO% on both sides of the ball) and no glaring weaknesses.
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: The Lens on December 11, 2024, 01:18:39 PM
Quote from: Carl on December 10, 2024, 12:53:11 PMThis hits home for me. My wife is tired of me telling her that Chase Ross would be a starting safety at most Big 18 schools

Me: Derrick Wilson could have played RB at Stanford

My Wife: Well then he's a f-n idiot if he passed up Stanford to go to Marquette
Title: Re: [Paint Touches] Chase is on the case
Post by: dpucane on December 11, 2024, 01:55:46 PM
Quote from: The Lens on December 11, 2024, 01:18:39 PMMe: Derrick Wilson could have played RB at Stanford

My Wife: Well then he's a f-n idiot if he passed up Stanford to go to Marquette

I actually thought Jae was gonna be a TE after college. He made the right choice though
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