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Related to a thread on Dodds board...

Is beating Wisconsin your Super Bowl?


For me, it is not.  It has a little extra juice, maybe, but I feel like MU has played and will play more important games this season.  This year, it was just another step in the journey.
   To me, the importance was a bounce back game after a loss and putting another win against a high major on the resume.   And then joking about them being a mid major.

So, what say you?  Super Bowl?  A little extra?  Just another win in a pre-season of big wins? 

Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 06:06:16 AMRelated to a thread on Dodds board...

Is beating Wisconsin your Super Bowl?


For me, it is not.  It has a little extra juice, maybe, but I feel like MU has played and will play more important games this season.  This year, it was just another step in the journey.
   To me, the importance was a bounce back game after a loss and putting another win against a high major on the resume.   And then joking about them being a mid major.

So, what say you?  Super Bowl?  A little extra?  Just another win in a pre-season of big wins? 

Just another game but always nice to beat one of the top two teams in the Big 18

It mattered more when I still went to their message boards and saw what the worst of their fans were like.  It mattered more when MU had a weak OOC schedule and might be a bubble team. 

I consider Wisconsin to generally be the most important non-conference game. I appreciate the bragging rights for the week after the game, but that's really it.

Ultimately, I think the "Super Bowl" perspective is always how the losers of this game frame it for the winners when the reality is it's the down program for whom it matters more. At the moment, because Wisconsin is down compared to where they were in recent years, it has outsized importance. Their basketball first fans, which is a small but very vocal group, no longer have the perennial top-4 Big 10 and national title contenders they had under Bo, so this game is their biggest game.

I do think this game had more importance for us under Wojo because we weren't competing at the level we are now. From 2014-2022, we really weren't in the mix nationally very much, so the Wisconsin game became more important. Ellenson in Madison, Rowsey/Howard/Hauser all going off when we routed them, the Justin tip-in, when you aren't going to matter much in March, winning your rivalry game in December takes on more importance. Today, I care a lot more about Big East titles and NCAA runs than I do the Badgers.

But this is probably their one shot to make national noise. The past two years, they went NIT followed by NCAA one-and-done. Their biggest moment in both seasons was beating us. If we go back on the decline, if they find their way back to the heights Bo Ryan had them at, that will likely flip. But for now, it's simply a bigger game for them than it is for us.

Glad to have won it, though. Better than losing.

It matters more to me and our daughters (all MU grads) but not exactly like a "Super Bowl".

Part of it is having relatives and, in their case, co-workers, who are big Badger fans. Also, the local media tends to fawn more over the Badgers, which is understandable given that there are a lot more Badger alumni and fans in their audiences. MU often seems overshadowed by UW.

My dislike for everything Badger is enhanced by being an alumnus of a different Big Ten school and being subjected to frequent unsolicited nasty verbal comments when I display support for one of my alma maters.

It's also bigger when the game is here because our seats at midcourt in the upper level (the best I can get with my low priority) are usually surrounded by almost half Badger fans and it's useful and satisfying to shut them up and send them home unhappy.

The second half of Saturday's game was glorious as MU ground Bucky down and the people around us who were whooping it up in the first half accepted the reality that their team was outclassed.

When MU beats the Badgers it makes the rest of the season more enjoyable knowing that MU has "bragging rights" over them, even though we aren't the type that likes to rub it in the faces of fans whose teams lose.

Even though I hope the Badgers lose every game, there is some consolation that any success they have enhances MU's resume.

If I didn't live in this area, the Wisconsin game would be just another game.

Quote from: wisblue on December 09, 2024, 06:34:26 AMIf I didn't live in this area, the Wisconsin game would be just another game.

I agree with this completely. It's somewhat how I feel about Notre Dame. When I was at Marquette, we really didn't play them regularly. There were some great games with them when we joined the Big East, but because I didn't have that connection in my school years, I didn't care about beating them as much as I did Louisville, Cincinnati, and Pitt (that was a great, short-lived rivalry). I know the recent home-and-home mattered a lot to a lot of people, but I don't get nearly as emotional about that one as I do someone like Wisconsin who I saw every year in college or the Big East teams we see twice a year.

I should add that, though we dislike the Badgers, we do not take it as far as one especially deranged and monomanic fan base.

We do not refer to UW as "that school to the west" or avoid using the letter W in our written communications.

Now that I'm really starting to dislike some of our conference brethren (looking at you, Providence and Creighton) my hatred for RED has dialed back some. But anyone saying this doesn't have some extra juice to it, or that it's just another game, is lying. On our side or theirs.

I was sick of losing to them with a better team, and was ecstatic when MU just overwhelmed them in the second half.

I'm just hoping Viper livestreams Christmas at the in-laws. It would be truly uplifting holiday content.

Quote from: wisblue on December 09, 2024, 06:58:33 AMI should add that, though we dislike the Badgers, we do not take it as far as one especially deranged and monomanic fan base.

We do not refer to UW as "that school to the west" or avoid using the letter W in our written communications.

Living in Michigan, I get to see the Muchigan/MSU/Ohio State stuff up close and personal.   I just can't generate that level of hate toward sports teams

Funny, growing up here as a Red Sox fan among Yankee fans who were winning all the time,
I know what it's like.  Even though I live in CT, UW has become the biggest non-conference game for me just because I feel for you guys in Wisconsin.  Beating UConn is still my favorite for the same reasons out here, but I want you guys to have bragging rights.

I'll be honest, for me it's just about them not having bragging rights. When we win, I celebrate and move on with my day.

When they win, I'm getting multiple texts and DMs about it. My main motivation for us winning is not being able to brag but them not having the ability to do so.

It's a Q1 win and bragging rights for a year.  I hope the Badgers do well in the Big 10 as it helps us come seeding time.  This one was also important as our seniors and Shaka had yet to win against UW.  But now it's time to focus on Dayton and then the Big East.

I definitely want MU to beat Bucky, but it really means little to me a week after the game, even a loss. The program is working for bigger goals than being State Champs and that is my focus as well.

MU has played a ton of very big NC regular season games over the past four years and UW would not be in my top five or ten of those games. Plus, we have had some very big BE matchups which also trump Bucky.

All in all, I care a lot about the game for a few days and move on. I am very happy that we have a program that provides far more than having one big game a year.

Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 07:07:43 AMLiving in Michigan, I get to see the Muchigan/MSU/Ohio State stuff up close and personal.   I just can't generate that level of hate toward sports teams

Then should I assume that the misspelling was unintentional?

It's nice game for either school to win for tourney purposes now since both have been doing well as well as for bragging rights. The game had far more significance to me years ago when MU was an independant. With conference play, especially with the BE, that significance has diminished. Still, a good game to win for the resume.

We have lost the "Super Bowl" the previous 2 matchups and still garnered a 2-seed.

So a fun game to win for sure, but it shows it doesn't have that much of an impact on how a season plays out.

Certainly not the Super Bowl, but I'm always a little more excited, a little more energized, I send off the MU logo to my Badger friends and post on social media. I scream louder at the game, I stand up and high five more, I smile a bit wider after we win. There likely won't be another regular season game this year that I'm as excited for.

This year we actually brought two UW-M grads. I sent them the photo of the Wisconsin Ave street sign with the X over the W. I told them to wear red and be loud. I wanted to rub it in a little when we won. They, of course, said MU doesn't even register as a rivalry, that we are the little brother, blah blah blah. After the game, my two sons who are both 1000 miles away at college sent a text telling me to say hello to the people we brought and F the Badgers. So, maybe even a little prouder of my sons on MU v UW ball night. 😉

But, in the grand scheme of things, not the Super Bowl.

Quote from: wisblue on December 09, 2024, 07:35:41 AMThen should I assume that the misspelling was unintentional?

Unintentional.  But funny.  I think I will leave that one up.

Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 06:06:16 AMRelated to a thread on Dodds board...

Is beating Wisconsin your Super Bowl?


For me, it is not.  It has a little extra juice, maybe, but I feel like MU has played and will play more important games this season.  This year, it was just another step in the journey.
   To me, the importance was a bounce back game after a loss and putting another win against a high major on the resume.   And then joking about them being a mid major.

So, what say you?  Super Bowl?  A little extra?  Just another win in a pre-season of big wins? 

It's fun to beat an in state and long time rival.  Talk of it being a Super Bowl type game  is ridiculous.  I'm curious to see who responds in the affirmative. 

Quote from: Goose on December 09, 2024, 07:29:17 AMI definitely want MU to beat Bucky, but it really means little to me a week after the game, even a loss. The program is working for bigger goals than being State Champs and that is my focus as well.

MU has played a ton of very big NC regular season games over the past four years and UW would not be in my top five or ten of those games. Plus, we have had some very big BE matchups which also trump Bucky.

All in all, I care a lot about the game for a few days and move on. I am very happy that we have a program that provides far more than having one big game a year.

As usual, well said Goose. Many here might call my ability to very quickly get over a loss as unfathomable, but I can put losses behind me well within an hour, sometimes as little as 10-15 minutes The season-ending ones in the tourney take a few hours though.

Getting back to the subject, the Wisconsin game is probably on the same level to me as the Creighton games. Important, but not soul-crushing if we end up on the wrong end of the score.  However, a Creighton W/L is more important.

Obviously I'm going to be amped up for a game against a rival, but I'm not sure it can be my Super Bowl when there are other games on the schedule I'd prefer to win.

The UW win is always, for me, the most satisfying of the non-con games. The atmosphere and crowd was electric. I think the win means even more this season because MU has beaten all 3 Big 10/18 teams on our schedule ... and they are 3 of the top teams in their conference. Bragging rights multiplied!

I am an old guy, and my hearing is not as good as it used to be, but I could swear I heard the "color" analyst while watching the game on FOX say this could be the last time we play UW. I hope I heard wrong because it is a great rivalry, but with conference realignment and big money, rivalries like this are going by the wayside.

Any talk about this or did I just hear wrong?

I think where you live plays a role.  I have a MU friend who lives in Madison who gets a lot of flack when we lose... to him it means a lot.

I live out of state... so it means a bit less.  Still important as I have some UW-Madison family grads, but not the same as my Madison living MU friend.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 09, 2024, 08:28:30 AMI am an old guy, and my hearing is not as good as it used to be, but I could swear I heard the "color" analyst while watching the game on FOX say this could be the last time we play UW. I hope I heard wrong because it is a great rivalry, but with conference realignment and big money, rivalries like this are going by the wayside.

Any talk about this or did I just hear wrong?

I don't recall hearing that.

If the Giants or the Jets are not in the Super Bowl I might catch the last few minutes of the game. So even the Super Bowl is not my Super Bowl.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 09, 2024, 08:28:30 AMI am an old guy, and my hearing is not as good as it used to be, but I could swear I heard the "color" analyst while watching the game on FOX say this could be the last time we play UW. I hope I heard wrong because it is a great rivalry, but with conference realignment and big money, rivalries like this are going by the wayside.

Any talk about this or did I just hear wrong?

It would be a very good guess that you heard wrong. This board would have lit up and stayed lit.  :D  I'll add another guess...the guy was talking about the last time the 2 teams played, and you caught only part of it.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 09, 2024, 08:33:47 AMI don't recall hearing that.

So, no talk about ending the annual rivalry.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 09, 2024, 08:28:30 AMI am an old guy, and my hearing is not as good as it used to be, but I could swear I heard the "color" analyst while watching the game on FOX say this could be the last time we play UW. I hope I heard wrong because it is a great rivalry, but with conference realignment and big money, rivalries like this are going by the wayside.

Any talk about this or did I just hear wrong?

You heard it wrong. 

Living in Madison, it definitely takes on a little more importance. Not with my actual friends that went to Wisconsin, but with the Walmart Badger fans and media meatheads that like to act all dismissive towards Marquette.

Last week, they were all running their mouths- "Of course, Wisconsin will beat Marquette." Today, radio silence as if the game never happened.

The sportstalk show this morning is talking Brewers offseason. They just had a segment complaining about the fans of Tower's second favorite team (the Lions, not the Badgers). Now people are calling in to talk about the Packers game from Thursday!

Next segment is going to talk about the Badgers new offensive coordinator. Maybe they'll briefly talk about the game at the end of the segment.

Maybe they'll talk about it tomorrow when they preview Badgers playing Illinois. Maybe they talked about the game in the 6 o'clock hour and I missed it. Just kinda funny that they'll talk anything BUT Marquette beating Wisconsin.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 09, 2024, 08:36:20 AMSo, no talk about ending the annual rivalry.

As I said, I don't recall hearing that and haven't heard a word that would suggest that they are considering ending it.

Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 09, 2024, 08:36:20 AMSo, no talk about ending the annual rivalry.

Marquette is not planning on ending the rivalry. I asked Broeker about that specifically in regards to expanding conference schedules and he said there are no plans to end the Wisconsin series.

I'm glad these two great academic institutions had their best student athletes compete in a decent, friendly, Christian game and avoided any major injuries.

It's a nice to have. It doesn't hurt to get a win against what should be a top half team in the Big10.

I'd rather a win at Uconn though. 

Update:

As expected, Madison sportstalk radio briefly glossed over the game. Even then, it was framed as "Marquette finally beat big brother. Shaka Smart 1-3 against Wisconsin."

The "big brother" stuff is always comical to me, a little brother who pretty much bested my big brother at everything.

Anyway, they barely talked about the game. Too many 2nd half turnovers, Steven Crowl needs to score more, and then already looking ahead to the Badgers next game. No mention of the Badgers Swiss cheese defense.

The fact that losing to Marquette makes these talking heads shut up warms my heart. Now, onto bigger and better things.

It's no "Super Bowl." When I was at MU the Badger game was no big deal. The ND contest was the big one, no question. I had no particular animus vs. Wisky, but I have developed it since getting on Scoop because I sympathize with the guys living in Wisconsin. They have the same interest in bragging rights as I do after a UConn or PC defeat. So while beating
the Badgers is no "Super Bowl" it's still a pretty damn good win and immensely enjoyable.

Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 06:06:16 AMRelated to a thread on Dodds board...

Is beating Wisconsin your Super Bowl?


For me, it is not.  It has a little extra juice, maybe, but I feel like MU has played and will play more important games this season.  This year, it was just another step in the journey.
   To me, the importance was a bounce back game after a loss and putting another win against a high major on the resume.   And then joking about them being a mid major.

So, what say you?  Super Bowl?  A little extra?  Just another win in a pre-season of big wins? 

No. I just get pissed off losing to them because we often have the better roster/team in that matchup.

Like every opponent on the schedule from UW to Stoneill win any way and I'm happy.

Means more than your average game, because I have enough UW fan-friends that are insufferable, especially if UW wins.

It meant more to me when Bo was coach...hated him, and seeing him get so upset when he lost added a bit to the win.

But in the end, there are usually bigger games on the schedule.

I think an effective way to judge the importance of a game to the fan base is to simply analyze the ticket broker sites and see how much tickets are going for and how much inventory is available relative to other games.

What you'd find looking at MU games this year is that demand for MU basketball is at an all time high across the board. Badger fans were complaining about being priced out of the lowers, but if you look at our other weekend games you'll see that the prices are the roughly the same for lowers and it's just as tough of a ticket. There's no evidence that this is some outlier type of game for us, even though for me personally it's probably the one I want the most when the schedule comes out.

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 09, 2024, 08:49:34 AMMarquette is not planning on ending the rivalry. I asked Broeker about that specifically in regards to expanding conference schedules and he said there are no plans to end the Wisconsin series.

Thanks, and glad to hear it.

The "super bowl" comes from whiny Badger fans who need to grasp onto something when they lose. So the "super bowl" was born.

It mattered more to me when I lived in Wisconsin with the neighborhood Walmart plastic fans talking their crap. In Chicago I don't have anyone in my circles that's a UW-Madison grad, so it doesn't matter as much.

What makes it a big game for me is we only play them once.

If UConn or Creighton were single game series, those would have more meaning but we usually get another shot at them. I expect to lose 4-5 conference games.  But I really want to go 1-0 vs. Wisconsin.  Logically I know conference games are more important but UW as a stand alone game ups the significance, even if I know that's not the case.   

Quote from: #UnleashSean on December 09, 2024, 09:46:57 AMThe "super bowl" comes from whiny Badger fans who need to grasp onto something when they lose. So the "super bowl" was born.

Bingo! I will not go so far as to say that there are no whiny Marquette fans after a loss. That would be a huge lie. But...I think a very large majority are Big Boys (or Girls) about it. At least there are currently no UW squatters on Scoop like Fieldhouse.

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 09, 2024, 07:00:56 AMNow that I'm really starting to dislike some of our conference brethren (looking at you, Providence and Creighton) my hatred for RED has dialed back some. But anyone saying this doesn't have some extra juice to it, or that it's just another game, is lying. On our side or theirs.

I was sick of losing to them with a better team, and was ecstatic when MU just overwhelmed them in the second half.

I'm just hoping Viper livestreams Christmas at the in-laws. It would be truly uplifting holiday content.

Don't forget UCONN and Pitino led St. Johns

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 09, 2024, 06:19:27 AMI consider Wisconsin to generally be the most important non-conference game. I appreciate the bragging rights for the week after the game, but that's really it.

Ultimately, I think the "Super Bowl" perspective is always how the losers of this game frame it for the winners when the reality is it's the down program for whom it matters more. At the moment, because Wisconsin is down compared to where they were in recent years, it has outsized importance. Their basketball first fans, which is a small but very vocal group, no longer have the perennial top-4 Big 10 and national title contenders they had under Bo, so this game is their biggest game.

I do think this game had more importance for us under Wojo because we weren't competing at the level we are now. From 2014-2022, we really weren't in the mix nationally very much, so the Wisconsin game became more important. Ellenson in Madison, Rowsey/Howard/Hauser all going off when we routed them, the Justin tip-in, when you aren't going to matter much in March, winning your rivalry game in December takes on more importance. Today, I care a lot more about Big East titles and NCAA runs than I do the Badgers.

But this is probably their one shot to make national noise. The past two years, they went NIT followed by NCAA one-and-done. Their biggest moment in both seasons was beating us. If we go back on the decline, if they find their way back to the heights Bo Ryan had them at, that will likely flip. But for now, it's simply a bigger game for them than it is for us.

Glad to have won it, though. Better than losing.

Couldn't say it better, this is spot-on!  Had a great day on Saturday after the win, all my WI co-worker texts and the ones from the WI in-laws were so delicious  8-)

Quote from: Skatastrophy on December 09, 2024, 09:49:49 AMIt mattered more to me when I lived in Wisconsin with the neighborhood Walmart plastic fans talking their crap. In Chicago I don't have anyone in my circles that's a UW-Madison grad, so it doesn't matter as much.

Walk into wills northwoods and get bragging!

Now that I'm older and don't interact as much with my friends that went to UW, the game means a little less. Still a fun one to win though.

Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 07:07:43 AMLiving in Michigan, I get to see the Muchigan/MSU/Ohio State stuff up close and personal.   I just can't generate that level of hate toward sports teams

Hatred is underrated.  Perhaps I can tutor you Tower and increase your wrath towards certain people, organizations, teams, universities, governments, and a plethora of other animate and inanimate objects?  :)

I am a strong believer in the idea that two things can be true.

This game means a great deal to me as someone who has a lot of friends and family members that are big Badgers fans. I'll be honest: It is my Super Bowl. I, personally, wanted MU to win this game so bad that I was telling my buddies that I would trade a Sweet 16 appearance for this game.

But that's just me, and I recognize that.

From a program standpoint, this game does not mean any more than any other marquee game, and probably less than it does a game against UConn, Creighton, etc. It's on par with Purdue or Iowa State. As others have mentioned, the healthier the program, the less you need one game to validate your place in the college basketball landscape. That is one of the amazing things about Shaka's tenure here. It used to be that one or two of our early season nonconference games were almost a referendum on the legitimacy of the program. That's no longer the case. Marquette doesn't need to prove it belongs.

TL;DR - The game means a lot to me because I put a lot of meaning on it, but it doesn't mean any more to the program than any other Quad 1/2 opportunity.

I haven't lived in Wisconsin for 40 years, and I don't have any Madison relatives or friends who pull the ol' Viper's-brother-in-law on me, so that's not a factor at all.

When I was at Marquette, ND was far and away our biggest rival, and I still dislike ND, even in football. Indiana just became my favorite college football team.

Overall, as is the case with a few others here, beating the likes of Creighton and UConn matters more to me. And all of them pale compared to the importance of any NCAA tourney game.

But I do view the Madison game as the biggest non-con game because that's what it's become, and I really did want MU to win this one for Shaka and the seniors. Plus, as others have said, it is important to a lot of Wisconsin state Scoopers and I want y'all to be happy!

And finally, the silly hype some still give Madison for "getting it done" -- even though that program under Gard is LOOONG past the point of getting anything meaningful done -- makes for fun fan-board fodder.

Bo ain't walkin' back through that door!

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 09, 2024, 11:22:15 AMHatred is underrated.  Perhaps I can tutor you Tower and increase your wrath towards certain people, organizations, teams, universities, governments, and a plethora of other animate and inanimate objects?  :)

Hatred isn't the way of Jesus Christ, our lord and savior

It doesn't effect our resume in any way, but the fact that we won using their old roster build was pretty nice. 3 Seniors that have only played college ball at MU and 2 Juniors that have only played college ball at MU. All know and love Shaka's system. Madison started 2 transfers are likely to have to hit the transfer market again next summer because the only players that scored that will be there next year are Blackwell, who's solid but there's no reason that Chase won't be able to put him in his pocket next year, and Winter, who seems to be a lot like Crowl, where he gets his points on drop offs, but can't create his own shot. What happened to that Freshman guard that was thought to have a shot at starting? He's scored just as many points as Sean and Al this year.

Wisconsin has really receded into a lesser program and I predict it will get mired in the middle of the new Big 10.

But it is a P4 game and typically WI has been ranked—so it's a very good objective win that MU needs as part of OOC.

Less objectively, it's a high energy game that is hard to replicate in the OOC.  It's good that the team sees that before conference and success breeds success.

It's not the Super Bowl but it just feels good.

Quote from: tower912 on December 09, 2024, 06:06:16 AMRelated to a thread on Dodds board...

Is beating Wisconsin your Super Bowl?


For me, it is not.  It has a little extra juice, maybe, but I feel like MU has played and will play more important games this season.  This year, it was just another step in the journey.
  To me, the importance was a bounce back game after a loss and putting another win against a high major on the resume.  And then joking about them being a mid major.

So, what say you?  Super Bowl?  A little extra?  Just another win in a pre-season of big wins? 

not Super Bowl...I'd equate that with a national title game...but it's the single biggest game on the schedule, imo. When I was a student, it was Notre Dame. Louisville was big. DePaul and Wisconsin were up there too. However, since we play ND very infrequently these days (Louisville not at all) combined with Wisconsin continuing to be an annual affair combined with the juice this game generates in-state combined with the elevation of their program with Stu Jackson, it's the single biggest game on the schedule every year, imo. As Tony Smith said pregame on Saturday, if winning just one game on the season ...this would be it. And, state coverage the day or two leading up to the game is beyond any other. Never understood why folks downplay this one...just a game. really? If that's the case, what single game generates more juice for you? I can tell you having attended this matchup both in Milwaukee and at the Kohl, fans get just a little more cranked-up for this one. Beat your rival !

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 09, 2024, 07:00:56 AMNow that I'm really starting to dislike some of our conference brethren (looking at you, Providence and Creighton) my hatred for RED has dialed back some. But anyone saying this doesn't have some extra juice to it, or that it's just another game, is lying. On our side or theirs.

I was sick of losing to them with a better team, and was ecstatic when MU just overwhelmed them in the second half.

I'm just hoping Viper livestreams Christmas at the in-laws. It would be truly uplifting holiday content.

I've got some special gifts awaiting 🤣

It was funny seeing the silence on social media from the usual suspects. When Buzz beat them, it was because we had a bunch of dumb Juco's (Oates). When Wojo beat them, it didn't matter because of their success in the tournament. Now Marquette has way more success, all with 4 year players (as if that ever mattered); the UW faithful has no leg to stand on.

Also they stormed the court last year and can never seriously talk about a "Super Bowl" ever again.

This game is not the super bowl.  It is a little extra.  It is a little extra because of proximity of the two schools, the quality of the two schools since I have been a fan and we play them every year so this game will always be a little extra, especially if you live in Wisconsin.  It is one of the top 1 or 2 games in our non-conference schedule every year.

Outside of the conference schedule where we play everyone twice, there is a familiarity between UW and MU programs.  That will slowly erode away with NIL and the new transfer policy.  In state Recruiting used to play a role in making this a little extra too but that has not been an issue over the last 8 years or so.  The best in state players just go elsewhere and the 2 programs just recruit different players.

A conference foe will always have more of a rivalry impact.  I used to hate Cincy and Thuggins.  Now that was a rivarly in Conference USA.  As was Louisville.

A rivalry game really should be DePaul but they have been so bad for so long.  Cincy and Louisville have now been replaced with who?  Nova, Xavier, UConn?  I don't think there is a consensus these days.

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 09, 2024, 11:22:15 AMHatred is underrated.  Perhaps I can tutor you Tower and increase your wrath towards certain people, organizations, teams, universities, governments, and a plethora of other animate and inanimate objects?  :)

sometimes a little hate...is good

Quote from: Viper on December 09, 2024, 11:43:55 AMwhat single game generates more juice for you?

Several of us already mentioned which games matter as much or more than the Madison game does.

The last couple years, the UConn and Creighton games for sure. Beating UConn twice in 2023 was an ACCOMPLISHMENT that truly mattered, way beyond beating Madison two days ago IMHO. The couple years that Seton Hall was good and its players were pr!cks, beating them felt really important. Same with Providence.

We all love beating Madison and we all hate losing to them. But once the conference season starts, the importance of any Madison game shrinks. When we were competing for Big East titles and top-2 seeds the last two years, the fact that we had lost to Madison was totally meaningless to me.

But again, I don't have a RED bro-in-law - a fact that, for you, appears to significantly color your viewpoint.

Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2024, 11:55:42 AMSeveral of us already mentioned which games matter as much or more than the Madison game does.

The last couple years, the UConn and Creighton games for sure. Beating UConn twice in 2023 was an ACCOMPLISHMENT that truly mattered, way beyond beating Madison two days ago IMHO. The couple years that Seton Hall was good and its players were pr!cks, beating them felt really important. Same with Providence.

We all love beating Madison and we all hate losing to them. But once the conference season starts, the importance of any Madison game shrinks. When we were competing for Big East titles and top-2 seeds the last two years, the fact that we had lost to Madison was totally meaningless to me.

But again, I don't have a RED bro-in-law - a fact that, for you, appears to significantly color your viewpoint.

Radford is up there

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 09, 2024, 06:19:27 AMI do think this game had more importance for us under Wojo because we weren't competing at the level we are now. From 2014-2022, we really weren't in the mix nationally very much, so the Wisconsin game became more important.

The UW game has some added juice, but I think your comment here is exactly right. The game is a lot more important when you are concerned that yours is the program that might be heading in the wrong direction. That concern was strong during the Wojo years for those, not within the Wojerati, who could tell that his actual coaching was not good to start and was not improving.

With a real coach now at the helm, I am confident the program is headed in the right direction. As a result, my concern over any one game, including the UW game, is diminished. I know if MU plays its game, it can play with anyone. If they lose a game or two, they will be back on track fairly quickly. Shaka's team is well coached and he successfully recruits to how he wants his team to play and what he wants the culture to be. Works for me.   

This year we are 3-0 against Big 10, which makes me very happy.

Quote from: bilsu on December 09, 2024, 01:01:21 PMThis year we are 3-0 against Big 10, which makes me very happy.

That is what I will be able to say to my friends here when they ask how good MU is.

I know it's silly because my four years at Marquette were the only time I lived in Wisconsin, but I've always taken the rivalry to heart. Marquette is far and away my favorite sports team of any sort, and I view Wisconsin as the main non-conference rival and the game as the biggest non-conference game each year. I still joke that my two favorite teams are Marquette and whoever is playing Wisconsin.

I absolutely acknowledge that there are a lot of Big East games that are bigger each year, but there's nobody in the Big East that I feel the same about. There are two reasons for this. First, in the pre-conference season and during the tournament, I generally root for Big East teams. I never root for Wisconsin. Ever. Second, the rivalries in the BEast come and go to a certain extent based on who is at the top -- it's obviously UConn right now, but it was Villanova for years. The rivalry against Wisconsin is constant.

I do think the fact Bo isn't involved brings down the heat a bit. Similar to Crean/Buzz not being involved.

Gard is kind of boring (as was Wojo) from an opposing fan's perspective.

It only matters because:

-- It's a Quad 1 win.

-- It helps with visibility to defeat a BIG Team.

-- It helps with recruiting.

Wisconsin just isn't a big deal to me. We were 4-0 against Wisconsin when I was at MU. Now, when we play Notre Dame, Indiana or Tennessee, that's another story.

Bucky matters because it gets us well-positioned for tough games and closer to the Promised Land of Natty #2.

Being from Minneapolis, I learned to hate uw-Madison long before becoming a Warrior.

The badgers are disgusting, and I enjoy beating them. I'd rather win BEast chips & NCAA tourney games, but handing them an L in December is fun.

I still generally dislike them. I don't really do hate with sports teams anymore. They aren't going steal a seed from MU, so I have no problem with them finishing over .500 in the B1? and remaining a quality win.   

Like any rivalry, the importance of the game can often revolve around the characters involved and the success of the rival.

Wisconsin is a rival because they have always been on the schedule.  Prior to 1994, the rivalry was most heated when Al McGuire was coach because Marquette dominated it and was in the midst of their greatest success while Wisconsin was mired in being Wisconsin.

For Marquette fans, Notre Dame and the like were probably a bigger rival because they were good and an actual real threat to the success of Marquette.

The Marquette revival coincided with the rise of Wisconsin under Dick Bennett and Bo Ryan, coaches with deep state ties that helped grow the ties to Wisconsin by the ShopKo Badger fans.  When Wisconsin found success, the fans finally had a reason to crow and Marquette could no longer lord what happened in 1977 over them.

The other reason for the heat being turned up was, Bo and TC not exactly being fans of one another.  Neither fanbase liked either and that added to it.  Wisconsin's success at the end of the Buzz era and the Buzz exit tilted things west but the heat dissipated after.  I'd wager the rivalry was never hotter than 2000-2015.

With Wisconsin's post-Bo success largely being the 1st two seasons after he left and early tourney exits and general Gard apathy settling in, a lot of Wisconsin fandom has also dissipated quite a bit.  They're no different than most fanbase in that they're front runners.

The rivalry is not what it was.  Certain segments of the Marquette fanbase circle this game and a loss is devastating.  I'm a Milwaukee guy and do not like dealing with happy Rodent fans but the needle when Marquette wins is still fun.  But that said, until Wisconsin shows signs of life beyond what they have been and have a coach that isn't vanilla, I think the temperature is lukewarm.

And yes, I know they were a 3-seed 3 years ago but by time the dance came around, that team had used up all its black magic and got bounced like they should have.

Quote from: Jay Bee on December 09, 2024, 01:32:01 PMThe badgers are disgusting, and I enjoy beating them. I'd rather win BEast chips & NCAA tourney games, but handing them an L in December is fun.

This.

They are also the lone non-con opponent I don't cheer for the rest of the way to boost Marquette's metrics.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2024, 01:45:50 PMThe other reason for the heat being turned up was, Bo and TC not exactly being fans of one another.

Always enjoyed when Tom Crean, in his pre-game recorded messages to the crowd, would call every opponent well coached with the exception of the Badgers.

Super Bowl? Of course not. We've only played in that game twice - 1974 and 1977. But (to me anyway) it's our most important non conference game. Judging from the way the crowd, the players and the coaching staff reacted I'd say they agree.

Quote from: MUDPT on December 09, 2024, 11:46:34 AMIt was funny seeing the silence on social media from the usual suspects. When Buzz beat them, it was because we had a bunch of dumb Juco's (Oates). When Wojo beat them, it didn't matter because of their success in the tournament. Now Marquette has way more success, all with 4 year players (as if that ever mattered); the UW faithful has no leg to stand on.

Also they stormed the court last year and can never seriously talk about a "Super Bowl" ever again.

I remember the "We don't do rent a player"

Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 09, 2024, 08:28:30 AMI am an old guy, and my hearing is not as good as it used to be, but I could swear I heard the "color" analyst while watching the game on FOX say this could be the last time we play UW. I hope I heard wrong because it is a great rivalry, but with conference realignment and big money, rivalries like this are going by the wayside.

Any talk about this or did I just hear wrong?

I think they mentioned it could be the last time for the seniors, which it will be unless MU plays them in the tourney. 

Quote from: Miss Katie's on December 09, 2024, 02:24:30 PMunless MU plays them in the tourney. 

Now that could get into the Super Bowl discussion.

Right now, I would think MU would see Wiscy in a 2-7 game

Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 09, 2024, 02:42:12 PMNow that could get into the Super Bowl discussion.

Some of us remember the discussion in 2003, whether it was worth it to make the Elite 8, if they lost to the Badgers...

It's embarrassing and insulting to the program acting like this game is the end all be all of the season. Fun rivalry you want to win but that's it:

It is a good rivalry.  I got a great chuckle this morning when my Badger-alum boss flipped me off.

Quote from: BrewCity83 on December 09, 2024, 04:30:26 PMIt is a good rivalry.  I got a great chuckle this morning when my Badger-alum boss flipped me off.

Keefe is emailing your HR department on your boss.  And on you for being on Scoop.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 09, 2024, 04:41:44 PMKeefe is emailing your HR department on your boss.  And on you for being on Scoop.

Haha...it's all in good fun.  But he was pretty sore about Saturday's game.    ;D

Quote from: wadesworld on December 09, 2024, 04:41:44 PMKeefe is emailing your HR department on your boss.  And on you for being on Scoop.

BTW ... no keefe at the Seattle watching party Saturday, so I couldn't give him your love.

Quote from: MuggsyB on December 09, 2024, 11:22:15 AMHatred is underrated.  Perhaps I can tutor you Tower and increase your wrath towards certain people, organizations, teams, universities, governments, and a plethora of other animate and inanimate objects?  :)

If you ever decide to seek the help that you so desperately need, be sure to hand a copy of this to whomever has the misfortune of trying to untwist your tortured little mind.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2024, 01:45:50 PMLike any rivalry, the importance of the game can often revolve around the characters involved and the success of the rival.

Wisconsin is a rival because they have always been on the schedule.  Prior to 1994, the rivalry was most heated when Al McGuire was coach because Marquette dominated it and was in the midst of their greatest success while Wisconsin was mired in being Wisconsin.

For Marquette fans, Notre Dame and the like were probably a bigger rival because they were good and an actual real threat to the success of Marquette.

The Marquette revival coincided with the rise of Wisconsin under Dick Bennett and Bo Ryan, coaches with deep state ties that helped grow the ties to Wisconsin by the ShopKo Badger fans.  When Wisconsin found success, the fans finally had a reason to crow and Marquette could no longer lord what happened in 1977 over them.

The other reason for the heat being turned up was, Bo and TC not exactly being fans of one another.  Neither fanbase liked either and that added to it.  Wisconsin's success at the end of the Buzz era and the Buzz exit tilted things west but the heat dissipated after.  I'd wager the rivalry was never hotter than 2000-2015.

With Wisconsin's post-Bo success largely being the 1st two seasons after he left and early tourney exits and general Gard apathy settling in, a lot of Wisconsin fandom has also dissipated quite a bit.  They're no different than most fanbase in that they're front runners.

The rivalry is not what it was.  Certain segments of the Marquette fanbase circle this game and a loss is devastating.  I'm a Milwaukee guy and do not like dealing with happy Rodent fans but the needle when Marquette wins is still fun.  But that said, until Wisconsin shows signs of life beyond what they have been and have a coach that isn't vanilla, I think the temperature is lukewarm.

And yes, I know they were a 3-seed 3 years ago but by time the dance came around, that team had used up all its black magic and got bounced like they should have.

I had heard that Bo and Crean weren't sending each other Christmas cards...rubbed each other the wrong way. Ironically, Barry Alvarez and Bo weren't exactly chums either!...and Barry & TC were actually quite friendly.

Of course it has more juice. Maybe not for every individual fan,  but for the programs,  players,  coaches,  and most of the fanbase, of course it does. Anyone saying otherwise is lying. But it's nowhere near a super bowl for either side.  The super bowl line is something bitter badgers toss out when they lose.

Quote from: Viper on December 09, 2024, 07:39:49 PMI had heard that Bo and Crean weren't sending each other Christmas cards...rubbed each other the wrong way. Ironically, Barry Alvarez and Bo weren't exactly chums either!...and Barry & TC were actually quite friendly.

Well, part of the problem was Bo and Barry were getting rubbed the same way.

Quote from: Viper on December 09, 2024, 07:39:49 PMI had heard that Bo and Crean weren't sending each other Christmas cards...rubbed each other the wrong way.

They rubbed themselves the wrong way.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 09, 2024, 05:32:56 PMIf you ever decide to seek the help that you so desperately need, be sure to hand a copy of this to whomever has the misfortune of trying to untwist your tortured little mind.

Dude, calm down.

Big game for me, as I have a bottle of Yellowstone single barrel riding on it with my BIL, why is former prez of Bucky alum association

We always have fun banter

His wife, when Ellenson committed to MU, said, didn't he have the grades for Wisconsin....in a straight face. Even my BIL rolled hide eyes

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2024, 11:36:29 AMHatred isn't the way of Jesus Christ, our lord and savior

That domer homer that attends every Notre Who home game? Screw him and the donkey he rode in on. Though I hear his dad is a huge Marquette fan.  ;D

Quote from: pbiflyer on December 10, 2024, 07:44:06 AMThat domer homer that attends every Notre Who home game? Screw him and the donkey he rode in on. Though I hear his dad is a huge Marquette fan.  ;D

When things are going well, he is touchdown Jesus.  When things are going poorly, he is WTF Jesus.

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 09, 2024, 01:45:50 PMLike any rivalry, the importance of the game can often revolve around the characters involved and the success of the rival.

Wisconsin is a rival because they have always been on the schedule.  Prior to 1994, the rivalry was most heated when Al McGuire was coach because Marquette dominated it and was in the midst of their greatest success while Wisconsin was mired in being Wisconsin.

For Marquette fans, Notre Dame and the like were probably a bigger rival because they were good and an actual real threat to the success of Marquette.

The Marquette revival coincided with the rise of Wisconsin under Dick Bennett and Bo Ryan, coaches with deep state ties that helped grow the ties to Wisconsin by the ShopKo Badger fans.  When Wisconsin found success, the fans finally had a reason to crow and Marquette could no longer lord what happened in 1977 over them.

The other reason for the heat being turned up was, Bo and TC not exactly being fans of one another.  Neither fanbase liked either and that added to it.  Wisconsin's success at the end of the Buzz era and the Buzz exit tilted things west but the heat dissipated after.  I'd wager the rivalry was never hotter than 2000-2015.

With Wisconsin's post-Bo success largely being the 1st two seasons after he left and early tourney exits and general Gard apathy settling in, a lot of Wisconsin fandom has also dissipated quite a bit.  They're no different than most fanbase in that they're front runners.

This also helps explain why there are fewer clear rivals in general right now compared to previous eras of MU basketball--you need a "villain" on both sides for a sustained period of time to create a real rivalry.  In college hoops, the most notable characters are going to be coaches--Digger, Huggins, Calipari, Pitino 1.0, Bo, Boeheim, etc. were all easy to dislike, were largely successful, and stuck around for many years.  TC and Buzz probably felt the same to other fanbases.  And, occasionally a player comes around that sticks around for multiple years and is also easy to dislike (Harangody, Brad Davison, Myles Powell etc.) that can juice a rivalry.

Since the new BE, the coaches largely seem to like and respect each other and the other programs, so it feels harder to really get amped up about them.  Jay Wright was so smooth, so it was hard to hate on Villanova even when they were dominating the league.  Or, the dislikable ones have moved on--as others alluded, Seton Hall under Willard had some juice, but that feels like it has fizzled under Sha.  And on the player side, with players often not playing for the same team for more than a season or two, it is harder to really develop that role in other fans' minds

Hurley and Cooley (and maybe Sean Miller now that he is back) are probably the most polarizing coaches in the BE right now, but both have tended to be really complimentary of MU and Shaka, so it is harder to get really amped up about beating them.  McDermott can annoy me a little, but he doesn't fill the villain role in the same way as those above.  Even Pitino 2.0 doesn't seem as easy to dislike in the twilight of his career (but I'm reserving judgment there).  And back to UW--Gard just feels too vanilla to really get amped up about. 

And I think that Shaka is probably the same way--he is pretty complimentary about other teams/coaches and has only seemed to be irked by other coaches in a few instances.  As a result, it is hard to imagine many other fan bases really seeing Shaka in a villain role for MU (other than being too active on the sideline).  The one time I recall Shaka really getting amped towards another head coach was with Self at KU last year--maybe we need to see that happen a little more to reignite some rivalry.  On the player side--I know Kolek got under other fan bases' skin, but I'm not sure any of our current roster is viewed in the same way.

In some ways, this is all good, because it means it is easier to focus on overall success rather than the results of a handful of games--focus on winning the war, not the battle.  But it does feel like the rivalries are not what they used to be.  Or maybe I'm just getting older. 

Quote from: MUMountin on December 10, 2024, 12:26:17 PMBut it does feel like the rivalries are not what they used to be. 

I feel like its that way in almost all sports these days. People just don't get as amped up as usual for big rivalry games.

Quote from: MUMountin on December 10, 2024, 12:26:17 PMOr maybe I'm just getting older. 

Or maybe it's just that.

Quote from: MUMountin on December 10, 2024, 12:26:17 PMThis also helps explain why there are fewer clear rivals in general right now compared to previous eras of MU basketball--you need a "villain" on both sides for a sustained period of time to create a real rivalry.  In college hoops, the most notable characters are going to be coaches--Digger, Huggins, Calipari, Pitino 1.0, Bo, Boeheim, etc. were all easy to dislike, were largely successful, and stuck around for many years.  TC and Buzz probably felt the same to other fanbases.  And, occasionally a player comes around that sticks around for multiple years and is also easy to dislike (Harangody, Brad Davison, Myles Powell etc.) that can juice a rivalry.

Since the new BE, the coaches largely seem to like and respect each other and the other programs, so it feels harder to really get amped up about them.  Jay Wright was so smooth, so it was hard to hate on Villanova even when they were dominating the league.  Or, the dislikable ones have moved on--as others alluded, Seton Hall under Willard had some juice, but that feels like it has fizzled under Sha.  And on the player side, with players often not playing for the same team for more than a season or two, it is harder to really develop that role in other fans' minds

Hurley and Cooley (and maybe Sean Miller now that he is back) are probably the most polarizing coaches in the BE right now, but both have tended to be really complimentary of MU and Shaka, so it is harder to get really amped up about beating them.  McDermott can annoy me a little, but he doesn't fill the villain role in the same way as those above.  Even Pitino 2.0 doesn't seem as easy to dislike in the twilight of his career (but I'm reserving judgment there).  And back to UW--Gard just feels too vanilla to really get amped up about. 

And I think that Shaka is probably the same way--he is pretty complimentary about other teams/coaches and has only seemed to be irked by other coaches in a few instances.  As a result, it is hard to imagine many other fan bases really seeing Shaka in a villain role for MU (other than being too active on the sideline).  The one time I recall Shaka really getting amped towards another head coach was with Self at KU last year--maybe we need to see that happen a little more to reignite some rivalry.  On the player side--I know Kolek got under other fan bases' skin, but I'm not sure any of our current roster is viewed in the same way.

In some ways, this is all good, because it means it is easier to focus on overall success rather than the results of a handful of games--focus on winning the war, not the battle.  But it does feel like the rivalries are not what they used to be.  Or maybe I'm just getting older. 

I'm not sure this topic deserved 4 pages, but this was very well thought out and written.  I agree with all of it except one caveat, Kansas and Creighton fans absolutely hate Shaka with the fire of 1000 suns. It extended to Tyler last year with, otherwise intelligent and successful adults, fully believing that he couldn't read. But mainly it's Shaka, Kansas has many reasons to hate, stemming back to VCU bouncing them on the way to his final 4

https://x.com/mattfostertv/status/1628262630107258882?s=46

If another coach did that at Fiserv, I wouldn't even think twice about it.

I think the look toward the crowd brings it just over the edge for me. Love it.

Quote from: Carl on December 10, 2024, 01:31:58 PMI'm not sure this topic deserved 4 pages, but this was very well thought out and written.  I agree with all of it except one caveat, Kansas and Creighton fans absolutely hate Shaka with the fire of 1000 suns. It extended to Tyler last year with, otherwise intelligent and successful adults, fully believing that he couldn't read. But mainly it's Shaka, Kansas has many reasons to hate, stemming back to VCU bouncing them on the way to his final 4

Providence fans hate him and Marquette too.  But they seem to hate everyone.

Quote from: CountryRoads on December 10, 2024, 01:45:26 PMhttps://x.com/mattfostertv

Quote from: CountryRoads on December 10, 2024, 01:45:26 PMhttps://x.com/mattfostertv/status/1628262630107258882?s=46

Weren't the fans giving it to him most of the game? I want to say it was at home against Creighton where Shaka was on the court a bunch and their fans were worked up about it online. Then this game wasn't super long after it.

Is that the game where Shaka pretty much added help defense on a player?

Creighton fans are sneaky mean. I grew up in Omaha with seats right behind the opposing teams bench in the Civic Center in the MVC days. A group of 40-something's the row behind us would pick a single guy on the opposing team- could be the star player, could be a random 7th man, could be an assistant coach going through a divorce- and research every detail of their life and then harass them all game. As a kid it was kind of funny. But all this to say, I don't give one single thought to what creighton fans think of Shaka

Quote from: Galway Eagle on December 10, 2024, 03:44:34 PMIs that the game where Shaka pretty much added help defense on a player?

This was at Creighton February 2023. The "help defense" game was December 2023 in Milwaukee.

I gave the original question some thought with this framing...

1. Limit to the regular season (nothing BET or NCAA)
2. Before we play a single game, where would I rank the WI game in terms of which game I most want MU to win

Top 1 - Rarely lands #1 (and not of late). Probably would have been here a few times with Wojo
Top 3 - Lands here consistently.
Top 5 - This is the floor.  I'd be hard pressed to pick 5 games I'd rather win than vs. WI.

This year I'd have it in the #3 range. After UCONN (@ home) and somewhere amidst Iowa State / Purdue / Creighton (home).  Those three I was expecting all be Top 15 teams before the season and WI I was expecting much lower.

Bottom line: Always near the top (top 10-20%) but generally not AT the top.

If you don't care if you are number 2 in your own state, it doesn't mean much.
Some other poster said, it really is about not letting the other school say they are better. 
Duke vs UNC.
Louisville vs Kentucky.
Of course not as important if you don't live there or gone to those school.

I was at last year's ND game. That start was awesome. I can't imagine how I would have felt if we lost. Oh yeah, my first MU-ND game? 80-81 season.
Sad when we lose to Bucky, but no where near as sad when we lose to ND.

I think it's great that my phone autocorrects Gard to Hard because it's like referring to both Bo and Greg in the same one word.

The importance of beating them this year might be avoiding a bad loss.

Quote from: cheebs09 on December 10, 2024, 10:02:42 PMThe importance of beating them this year might be avoiding a bad loss.

:)

Quote from: cheebs09 on December 10, 2024, 10:02:42 PMThe importance of beating them this year might be avoiding a bad loss.

They might need to win a game soon. Don't want them getting any ideas that radical change is necessary. Bennett would immediately make them contenders and tie us in a pretzel for the next decade.

Quote from: CountryRoads on December 10, 2024, 10:28:29 PMThey might need to win a game soon. Don't want them getting any ideas that radical change is necessary. Bennett would immediately make them contenders and tie us in a pretzel for the next decade.

🙄

Why do you think Bennett wants to come back?  He didn't get fired from UVA.  He walked away be cause he was burned out and doesn't like NIL and the portal.   How does a potential opening at Wisconsin alter any of that? 

Quote from: tower912 on December 11, 2024, 06:55:15 AMWhy do you think Bennett wants to come back?  He didn't get fired from UVA.  He walked away be cause he was burned out and doesn't like NIL and the portal.   How does a potential opening at Wisconsin alter any of that? 

A lot of coaches take some time away and then miss it and come back. Urban Meyer to OSU is one example.

You don't have to look any further than his dad to see that sometimes a coach just needs a break. However it feels like this is one of those cases where it was more the stuff coaches have to deal with these days is what chased him away from the game more than simply burnout. He also has a lot more money than his dad did.

Regardless, I doubt Gard is let go at UW. I doubt Bennett would go there. And if he did, I doubt it has much impact on Shaka and Marquette.

Guys, Wisconsin is still on track to be a tournament team. But their reality is more like an 8/9 seed, not the 4/5 seed type they appeared to be earlier.

They are 36th in predictive metrics average and tied for 28th in resumé metrics average. If the season ended today, they're comfortably in. Get to 10-10 in B1G, or 9-11 plus a win against Butler, and they're in at the end of the season.

Given how much of a mess their football team is, Gard might be relatively safe. At least Gard will keep basketball out of the cellar.

I think as long as they're a tourney team, Gard is safe, though it's an interesting thought exercise to wonder who they might go after. I do think Bennett is off the table. The biggest question is if they try to keep their style of winning with a less aesthetic appeal or trying to change it up and play a more up-tempo, pro style game that would likely get fans more energized. Ryan obviously hamstrung them when he left and forced them into Gard. I'm curious what they'd do without those timing restrictions.

Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 11, 2024, 09:33:24 AMGuys, Wisconsin is still on track to be a tournament team. But their reality is more like an 8/9 seed, not the 4/5 seed type they appeared to be earlier.

They are 36th in predictive metrics average and tied for 28th in resumé metrics average. If the season ended today, they're comfortably in. Get to 10-10 in B1G, or 9-11 plus a win against Butler, and they're in at the end of the season.

Given how much of a mess their football team is, Gard might be relatively safe. At least Gard will keep basketball out of the cellar.

Sure, if the season ended today they'd be in.  But getting to 9 wins in the B1G won't be easy for them.  Of their remaining schedule I see:

• Should be wins over Buter, Detroit Mercy, Iowa, Minnesota, Washington, at Minnesota
• Toss ups against Ohio State, at USC, Nebraska, at Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Penn State
• Losses at Rutgers, at UCLA, at Maryland, at Purdue, Oregon, at Michigan State

They already have 2 losses in the B1G.  So you have to get 5 out of 7 against Ohio State, at USC, Nebraska, at Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Penn State just to get to 9-11.  They'll be less talented than at least 4 of those teams.

Quote from: MUMountin on December 10, 2024, 12:26:17 PMEven Pitino 2.0 doesn't seem as easy to dislike in the twilight of his career (but I'm reserving judgment there). 

If your job was cleaning the tablecloths at Porcini's you'd have a different outlook.

Interesting - the Badger article mentions a loss to Michigan last week but does not mention the loss to Marquette that was more current than the Michigan loss.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2024/12/10/wisconsin-badgers-vs-illinois-basketball-score-starting-lineups-updates/76841111007/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2024/12/10/wisconsin-badgers-vs-illinois-basketball-score-starting-lineups-updates/76841111007/)

Conference losses.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2024, 10:42:18 AMSure, if the season ended today they'd be in.  But getting to 9 wins in the B1G won't be easy for them.  Of their remaining schedule I see:

• Should be wins over Buter, Detroit Mercy, Iowa, Minnesota, Washington, at Minnesota
• Toss ups against Ohio State, at USC, Nebraska, at Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Penn State
• Losses at Rutgers, at UCLA, at Maryland, at Purdue, Oregon, at Michigan State

They already have 2 losses in the B1G.  So you have to get 5 out of 7 against Ohio State, at USC, Nebraska, at Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Penn State just to get to 9-11.  They'll be less talented than at least 4 of those teams.

Wow, wades. What a ridiculous take about a team that's pretty easily one of the two best in the B18.

Quote from: PointWarrior on December 11, 2024, 11:19:05 AMInteresting - the Badger article mentions a loss to Michigan last week but does not mention the loss to Marquette that was more current than the Michigan loss.

https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2024/12/10/wisconsin-badgers-vs-illinois-basketball-score-starting-lineups-updates/76841111007/ (https://www.jsonline.com/story/sports/college/uw/2024/12/10/wisconsin-badgers-vs-illinois-basketball-score-starting-lineups-updates/76841111007/)

The preceding paragraph talks about the fine line between winning and losing in their two conference losses.

The Marquette game was neither a conference game nor one with a fine line between winning and losing.

Love to beat up on the badgers but they are not as bad as they looked the last 3 games and not as good as they looked against Arizona.  They will have a successful season and they will make the tournament and could make the sweet 16 if things fall into place.

If badgers make free throws yesterday per their average, they probably win a good road game.  Michigan is a really good team and would give us fits with their two bigs.  We are just better than the badgers.  Anyone dismissing the badgers as not good just shows that they are probably a rival in your eyes.

Gard goes or not, who cares.  Bennett taking over, who cares.  The system that Bennett runs is unwatchable.  Thankfully we never went after him.

I do think Gard's job security is increasing the more Fickell struggles. At the time, when it was viewed as a home run hire, people were thinking let's do the same with basketball. I wonder if people are more cautious now.

Quote from: wisblue on December 11, 2024, 11:34:20 AMThe preceding paragraph talks about the fine line between winning and losing in their two conference losses.

The Marquette game was neither a conference game nor one with a fine line between winning and losing.

Point Warrior has little brother syndrome

The only thing left to discuss is how long it will take Bucky to match MU's Big 10 win total.

Quote from: Badgerhater on December 11, 2024, 12:03:16 PMThe only thing left to discuss is how long it will take Bucky to match MU's Big 10 win total.

Oh you're good. Very good. :D

Quote from: brewcity77 on December 11, 2024, 10:02:03 AMI think as long as they're a tourney team, Gard is safe, though it's an interesting thought exercise to wonder who they might go after. I do think Bennett is off the table. The biggest question is if they try to keep their style of winning with a less aesthetic appeal or trying to change it up and play a more up-tempo, pro style game that would likely get fans more energized. Ryan obviously hamstrung them when he left and forced them into Gard. I'm curious what they'd do without those timing restrictions.

I don't think Shaka would leave, but they'd almost certainly try to get him at this point, no?

Whenever we play UW he always brings up how he grew up following UW Hoops because of the proximity. Seems like an obvious target.

I admire the commitment to the bit.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 12:14:15 PMI don't think Shaka would leave, but they'd almost certainly try to get him at this point, no?

Whenever we play UW he always brings up how he grew up following UW Hoops because of the proximity. Seems like an obvious target.

No, he's taking the Virginia job

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 12:14:15 PMI don't think Shaka would leave, but they'd almost certainly try to get him at this point, no?

Whenever we play UW he always brings up how he grew up following UW Hoops because of the proximity. Seems like an obvious target.

Of course he's an obvious target. But there is no way he leave Marquette as things stand to go to Madison. Have you heard anything he has said about Marquette?

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 11, 2024, 12:16:20 PMI admire the commitment to the bit.

Right?

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2024, 12:21:26 PMNo, he's taking the Virginia job

I actually told my dentist about this on Monday in Charlottesville and before I had a chance to tell him it was a joke he was really excited about it. I think I'll have a little fun at the expense of our Charlottesville friends and lead them on for a bit. I know that's not nice, but I make no pretense of being nice.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 11, 2024, 12:34:47 PMOf course he's an obvious target. But there is no way he leave Marquette as things stand to go to Madison. Have you heard anything he has said about Marquette?


Right?

That was my whole point.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2024, 10:42:18 AMSure, if the season ended today they'd be in.  But getting to 9 wins in the B1G won't be easy for them.  Of their remaining schedule I see:

• Should be wins over Buter, Detroit Mercy, Iowa, Minnesota, Washington, at Minnesota
• Toss ups against Ohio State, at USC, Nebraska, at Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Penn State
• Losses at Rutgers, at UCLA, at Maryland, at Purdue, Oregon, at Michigan State

They already have 2 losses in the B1G.  So you have to get 5 out of 7 against Ohio State, at USC, Nebraska, at Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Penn State just to get to 9-11.  They'll be less talented than at least 4 of those teams.

You're not wrong, but they'll win a game or two from the list you have as losses. 10-10 or 9-11 sounds right to me.

Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 11, 2024, 12:47:57 PMI actually told my dentist about this on Monday in Charlottesville and before I had a chance to tell him it was a joke he was really excited about it. I think I'll have a little fun at the expense of our Charlottesville friends and lead them on for a bit. I know that's not nice, but I make no pretense of being nice.

Glad you are safe.

Quote from: cheebs09 on December 11, 2024, 01:26:06 PMGlad you are safe.

Physically, yes. But I should have waited until he finishes a crown scheduled for early January. We might need to get a home equity loan to pay for it.

Insurance company AI deny your claim?

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 12:14:15 PMI don't think Shaka would leave, but they'd almost certainly try to get him at this point, no?

Whenever we play UW he always brings up how he grew up following UW Hoops because of the proximity. Seems like an obvious target.

Ah Badger fans...

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2024, 02:13:03 PMAh Badger fans...

Lmao. You are something.

If they ever get rid of Gard they are going to attempt to go big. They won't fire him just to hire some up and comer. I think Shaka will be here forever, but they'd have to try.

Similar to Oates at Bama and Otz at Iowa State...they'd have to try for them too.

How do you block posters?

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 02:19:17 PMLmao. You are something.

If they ever get rid of Gard they are going to attempt to go big. They won't fire him just to hire some up and comer. I think Shaka will be here forever, but they'd have to try.

Similar to Oates at Bama and Otz at Iowa State...they'd have to try for them too.

Sure.  They should call Billy Donovan and Kelvin Sampson and make them say no, too.  Just like MU.   ::)

Pretty sure they aren't going to go for guys simply because they have Wisconsin roots.

Regardless, I don't think they are going to get rid of Gard anytime soon. It feels like we have this conversation every year on here and he ends up putting in a decent season. When the time comes, assumming there aren't any obvious internal candidates, they will likely hire the best coach they feel they can like they have with football and hockey. Regardless of any connection to the UW or the state.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 11, 2024, 02:24:16 PMPretty sure they aren't going to go for guys simply because they have Wisconsin roots.

Regardless, I don't think they are going to get rid of Gard anytime soon. It feels like we have this conversation every year on here and he ends up putting in a decent season. When the time comes, assumming there aren't any obvious internal candidates, they will likely hire the best coach they feel they can like they have with football and hockey. Regardless of any connection to the UW or the state.

Exactly.  He had them ranked 11 last week.  His seat is fine.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 11, 2024, 02:26:27 PMExactly.  He had them ranked 11 last week.  His seat is fine.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 11, 2024, 02:26:27 PMExactly.  He had them ranked 11 last week.  His seat is fine.

Yup!
Which goes back to my point...if they were going to get rid of him it would be because they think they can get someone established.

Shaka, Otz, Oates are 3 great coaches with WI ties. I think any of the 3 would be stupid to leave their current situations, but they'd have to at least check in.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 11, 2024, 02:24:16 PMPretty sure they aren't going to go for guys simply because they have Wisconsin roots.

Regardless, I don't think they are going to get rid of Gard anytime soon. It feels like we have this conversation every year on here and he ends up putting in a decent season. When the time comes, assumming there aren't any obvious internal candidates, they will likely hire the best coach they feel they can like they have with football and hockey. Regardless of any connection to the UW or the state.

Considering Gard always gets it done and the Badgers are clearly 1 or 2 in the Big 18, only an idiot would even bring up who Wisconsin might try and hire

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 02:31:16 PMYup!
Which goes back to my point...if they were going to get rid of him it would be because they think they can get someone established.

Shaka, Otz, Oates are 3 great coaches with WI ties. I think any of the 3 would be stupid to leave their current situations, but they'd have to at least check in.

Sure, maybe call Billy Donovan, too.

You know, just to check in.  Hopefully Gard doesn't hear about any of this.

Wisconsin can ask.  Two things.  One, Shaka has already said no to bigger names.  Two, Shaka has referenced his youth was not always idyllic in central Wisconsin.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 11, 2024, 02:33:59 PMSure, maybe call Billy Donovan, too.

You know, just to check in.  Hopefully Gard doesn't hear about any of this.

Nothing like the other 3, but ok.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 03:12:21 PMNothing like the other 3, but ok.

I will never understand guys who are merely from somewhere being considered top candidates for jobs. 

Nate Oates went to Wisconsin for grad school for one year.
Shaka has zero ties to Madison... Oregon is 20 minutes away
TJ has zero ties to Madison.  Went to UW-Whitewater

Wisconsin isn't a destination job. Absolutely zero of the guys you're suggesting have any reason to pull up their roots, shun their current schools where they are successful, and take over at Wisconsin of all places.

This, "They should at least make a call" thought process is stupid.  You want to kick the tires around a bunch of coaches while your current coach has your team ranked inside the top 25?  I'm sure that's a great selling point for anyone that you're calling. 

Ayiyi

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 03:12:21 PMNothing like the other 3, but ok.

You'd get a lot more slack around here if you just admitted your Wisconsin top 2 take sucked.

Gard is a high floor, low ceiling coach. I don't know if they'd move on from him barring a total meltdown this year.

The problem they have is it's really hard to flip your identity quickly. Your whole way of evaluating talent and recruitment has to flip with it. Look what they're going through with football. In some ways I think Fickell being a dud so far probably helps Gard's security.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 11, 2024, 03:34:32 PMI will never understand guys who are merely from somewhere being considered top candidates for jobs. 

Nate Oates went to Wisconsin for grad school for one year.
Shaka has zero ties to Madison... Oregon is 20 minutes away
TJ has zero ties to Madison.  Went to UW-Whitewater

Wisconsin isn't a destination job. Absolutely zero of the guys you're suggesting have any reason to pull up their roots, shun their current schools where they are successful, and take over at Wisconsin of all places.

This, "They should at least make a call" thought process is stupid.  You want to kick the tires around a bunch of coaches while your current coach has your team ranked inside the top 25?  I'm sure that's a great selling point for anyone that you're calling. 

Ayiyi

Let the Badger fan(s) dream.

Quote from: BM1090 on December 11, 2024, 03:36:55 PMYou'd get a lot more slack around here if you just admitted your Wisconsin top 2 take sucked.

I already said that it could be wrong when I said it. I just think they are one of the 2 best teams in a fairly average overall conference. They have 0 great teams and a lot of pretty good teams.

You honestly care that much? LMAO.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 11, 2024, 03:34:32 PMI will never understand guys who are merely from somewhere being considered top candidates for jobs. 

Nate Oates went to Wisconsin for grad school for one year.
Shaka has zero ties to Madison... Oregon is 20 minutes away
TJ has zero ties to Madison.  Went to UW-Whitewater

Wisconsin isn't a destination job. Absolutely zero of the guys you're suggesting have any reason to pull up their roots, shun their current schools where they are successful, and take over at Wisconsin of all places.

This, "They should at least make a call" thought process is stupid.  You want to kick the tires around a bunch of coaches while your current coach has your team ranked inside the top 25?  I'm sure that's a great selling point for anyone that you're calling. 

Ayiyi

TJO would take the Marquette job before he'd take UW-Madison. 

Won't matter, think Iowa State is going to keep him for a long time

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 03:44:46 PMI already said that it could be wrong when I said it. I just think they are one of the 2 best teams in a fairly average overall conference. They have 0 great teams and a lot of pretty good teams.

You honestly care that much? LMAO.

Nobody "cares that much."  You can just stop pretending you aren't a UW fan.  You'd be happy to admit you were wrong if you weren't a Badger fan, but instead you'll just keep pretending they might be a good team and then next year when someone jabs you for it, you'll pretend you don't remember saying it.  "Did I say they were clearly a top 2 B1G team last year?  I don't remember it, but if I did, well, they..." and then you'll come up with some absurd way to try to show you weren't wrong, like claiming that the Badgers, who finished 5th in the B1G last year, 3 games back of 2nd place IL, were a top 2 team last year because they made the B1G Tourney title game.

History helps make rivalries.  No Super Bowl for sure but one of our most important non conference games every year.  The I-94 rivalry includes 131 games dating back to 1917.  Marquette has played The Badgers the 2nd most times of any other school and WI has played MU more than anyone else in non conference games.  WI leads the series 71-60 making it a real rivalry and arguably our biggest.  Great to get the W this year!

Quote from: MUfan12 on December 11, 2024, 03:41:05 PMGard is a high floor, low ceiling coach. I don't know if they'd move on from him barring a total meltdown this year.

The problem they have is it's really hard to flip your identity quickly. Your whole way of evaluating talent and recruitment has to flip with it. Look what they're going through with football. In some ways I think Fickell being a dud so far probably helps Gard's security.

This. Fickell gets more flack because they are losing AND they stopped their I- formation offensive play calling. Wisconsin loves tradition. Gard gets a pass because he kind of still plays the "Wisconsin" way.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 11, 2024, 03:34:32 PMI will never understand guys who are merely from somewhere being considered top candidates for jobs. 

Agree.

The best 18 year olds in the state regularly depart to play elsewhere. Why would a 50 year old man with (at best) a tangential connection with Madison want to "come home"?

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 03:44:46 PMI already said that it could be wrong when I said it. I just think they are one of the 2 best teams in a fairly average overall conference. They have 0 great teams and a lot of pretty good teams.

You honestly care that much? LMAO.

Do I care? No. I know that when someone doesn't own up to crap takes then it's not worth a dialogue. Was hoping you'd prove me wrong. Too bad.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2024, 10:42:18 AMSure, if the season ended today they'd be in.  But getting to 9 wins in the B1G won't be easy for them.  Of their remaining schedule I see:

• Should be wins over Buter, Detroit Mercy, Iowa, Minnesota, Washington, at Minnesota
• Toss ups against Ohio State, at USC, Nebraska, at Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Penn State
• Losses at Rutgers, at UCLA, at Maryland, at Purdue, Oregon, at Michigan State

They already have 2 losses in the B1G.  So you have to get 5 out of 7 against Ohio State, at USC, Nebraska, at Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois, Penn State just to get to 9-11.  They'll be less talented than at least 4 of those teams.

At Rutgers and home Oregon belong in the tossup category. T Rank has Badgers as a 2 point favorite vs Oregon and a 2 point underdog at Rutgers.

So, that changes it to 5-4 in tossup games. I mean, sure there's a chance they miss the tournament. But it's not quite as hard as you think.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 03:44:46 PMI already said that it could be wrong when I said it. I just think they are one of the 2 best teams in a fairly average overall conference. They have 0 great teams and a lot of pretty good teams.

You honestly care that much? LMAO.

Here was your original take:

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 22, 2024, 04:44:18 PMMadison is a top 2 team in the Big Ten pretty easily.

I don't think the league is very good, but they are.

Very possible...maybe even likely that they will be unbeaten coming to Milwaukee on December 7th.

Nowhere in there did you say "it could be wrong."

Then, after your heroes lost at home to Michigan, you not only doubled-down but upgraded your top 2 take from "pretty easily" to "easily":

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 06, 2024, 12:58:02 PMI do think they are easily top 2. 1 game doesn't change that.

Then you repeated your silliness about Madison always getting it done and - of course - predicted a victory over Marquette.

Marquette has already beaten two B18 teams (Purdue, Maryland) that are better than Madison, and last-place Madison has already lost to two others (Michigan, Illinois). But yes, Madison isn't just one of the league's best 2 teams, it's EASILY one of the best 2.

Talk about a guy willing to die on a hill. You honestly care that much? LMAO.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2024, 03:55:15 PMNobody "cares that much."  You can just stop pretending you aren't a UW fan.  You'd be happy to admit you were wrong if you weren't a Badger fan, but instead you'll just keep pretending they might be a good team and then next year when someone jabs you for it, you'll pretend you don't remember saying it.  "Did I say they were clearly a top 2 B1G team last year?  I don't remember it, but if I did, well, they..." and then you'll come up with some absurd way to try to show you weren't wrong, like claiming that the Badgers, who finished 5th in the B1G last year, 3 games back of 2nd place IL, were a top 2 team last year because they made the B1G Tourney title game.

Quote from: MU82 on December 11, 2024, 05:29:02 PMHere was your original take:

Nowhere in there did you say "it could be wrong."

Then, after your heroes lost at home to Michigan, you not only doubled-down but upgraded your top 2 take from "pretty easily" to "easily":

Then you repeated your silliness about Madison always getting it done and - of course - predicted a victory over Marquette.

Marquette has already beaten two B18 teams (Purdue, Maryland) that are better than Madison, and last-place Madison has already lost to two others (Michigan, Illinois). But yes, Madison isn't just one of the league's best 2 teams, it's EASILY one of the best 2.

Talk about a guy willing to die on a hill. You honestly care that much? LMAO.

I later followed up by saying that I could be wrong, but I think they are top 2 in a not great league.

Where did I predict a victory over Marquette? All I said is that I don't like the matchup.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 11, 2024, 03:55:15 PMNobody "cares that much."  You can just stop pretending you aren't a UW fan.  You'd be happy to admit you were wrong if you weren't a Badger fan, but instead you'll just keep pretending they might be a good team and then next year when someone jabs you for it, you'll pretend you don't remember saying it.  "Did I say they were clearly a top 2 B1G team last year?  I don't remember it, but if I did, well, they..." and then you'll come up with some absurd way to try to show you weren't wrong, like claiming that the Badgers, who finished 5th in the B1G last year, 3 games back of 2nd place IL, were a top 2 team last year because they made the B1G Tourney title game.

I don't like the Badgers, rather despise them. I just don't see the need to call them $hitty when they very clearly have a stabilized program.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 05:42:44 PMI don't like the Badgers, rather despise them. I just don't see the need to call them $hitty when they very clearly have a stabilized program.

Definitely a stable, solid program. But also definitely not top 2 in the B10. And maybe there aren't any elite teams in the conference, but there's 8-10 solid to good teams.

Quote from: BM1090 on December 11, 2024, 06:13:00 PMDefinitely a stable, solid program. But also definitely not top 2 in the B10. And maybe there aren't any elite teams in the conference, but there's 8-10 solid to good teams.

That I agree with.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 05:41:35 PMI later followed up by saying that I could be wrong, but I think they are top 2 in a not great league.

Where did I predict a victory over Marquette? All I said is that I don't like the matchup.

You saying they are top 2 in the league(whether its great or not) is just as stupid every time you say it

You have to know absolutely nothing about basketball to think they are a top 2 team in that league

Sh it, top 5 is bordering on insane.

Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 11, 2024, 05:41:35 PMI later followed up by saying that I could be wrong, but I think they are top 2 in a not great league.

Where did I predict a victory over Marquette? All I said is that I don't like the matchup.

You know that if your team had won, you'd have bragged that you predicted

Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 11, 2024, 08:14:32 PMYou saying they are top 2 in the league(whether its great or not) is just as stupid every time you say it

You have to know absolutely nothing about basketball to think they are a top 2 team in that league

Sh it, top 5 is bordering on insane.

Yes, it was easily one of the worst two takes in Scoop history.

Quote from: MU82 on December 11, 2024, 09:14:06 PMYes, it was easily one of the worst two takes in Scoop history.

UDPride has number 1 locked down.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 12, 2024, 10:21:36 AMUDPride has number 1 locked down.

Nolongerwarriors wanting Porter Moser is a solid #2.

Quote from: TallTitan34 on December 12, 2024, 10:21:36 AMUDPride has number 1 locked down.

Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 12, 2024, 10:23:43 AMNolongerwarriors wanting Porter Moser is a solid #2.

I don't remember if it was NLW but somebody was beating the "Shaka is a DEI hire" drum pretty hard.

Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 12, 2024, 10:53:39 AMI don't remember if it was NLW but somebody was beating the "Shaka is a DEI hire" drum pretty hard.

TBF to NLW, that sounds like any number of posters

Agreed. Hindsight is 20/20. Thank god the chips fell as they did

Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 11, 2024, 02:21:28 PMHow do you block posters?

Check with Ben Gold.

Quote from: pbiflyer on December 12, 2024, 12:27:56 PMCheck with Ben Gold.

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Quote from: pbiflyer on December 12, 2024, 12:27:56 PMCheck with Ben Gold.

Good excuse to watch this on loop.
https://x.com/marquettembb/status/1865807899756286208?s=46&t=jxqs74xjrj0YOEifH9UtCw

God I swear those uniforms are getting better every time I see them.

Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on December 12, 2024, 01:30:25 PMGod I swear those uniforms are getting better every time I see them.

They look incredible in the cinematic extended cut Marquette put out.

Ben's little look down at Tonje bodes so well for future Ben.

Quote from: tower912 on December 12, 2024, 01:50:55 PMBen's little look down at Tonje bodes so well for future Ben.

Pretty classless

Quote from: tower912 on December 12, 2024, 01:50:55 PMBen's little look down at Tonje bodes so well for future Ben.

I'd pay a pretty penny to know what he said.  Was it, "Eat it, mate!" or "Gimme that sh!t, mate!"?

'Now, THAT'S rugby'

Quote from: wadesworld on December 12, 2024, 01:58:25 PMI'd pay a pretty penny to know what he said.  Was it, "Eat it, mate!" or "Gimme that sh!t, mate!"?

I believe it was DO who had a pretty audible "GIMME DAT SH!T" in the Iowa State game.

Quote from: tower912 on December 12, 2024, 01:50:55 PMBen's little look down at Tonje bodes so well for future Ben.

100%. All about the confidence.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 12, 2024, 01:58:25 PMI'd pay a pretty penny to know what he said.  Was it, "Eat it, mate!" or "Gimme that sh!t, mate!"?

Probably just gave Tonje his Haka look.

Quote from: wadesworld on December 12, 2024, 01:58:25 PMI'd pay a pretty penny to know what he said.  Was it, "Eat it, mate!" or "Gimme that sh!t, mate!"?

Stevie's mom said she asked him and he said "I can't repeat it to you."

Love Ben getting a little fiery side.

Ben Gold sucks

Quote from: DoctorV on December 12, 2024, 09:29:51 PMBen Gold sucks

Nice Rico imitation.

Quote from: tower912 on December 13, 2024, 05:19:56 AMNice Rico imitation.

Well, DoctorV is an Evangelical Christian, as well.

Quote from: Hards Alumni on December 13, 2024, 06:06:45 AMWell, DoctorV is an Evangelical Christian, as well.

Should change it to ElPastorV