Amazing crowd, new record again.
The intros are elite, the visuals are amazing.
The stadium is special.
The building was so loud, everyone was incredibly engaged.
The students seemed to stand the entire time.
The Marquette FiServ experience is so damn amazing.
It's a great time to be a Marquette basketball fan.
Phenomenal crowd yesterday. Probably 20-25% UW fans, most in the upper deck.
The environment Shaka has created around the program is unlike anything I've experienced in 30+ years of going to games. Everyone knows the assignment. Knows what the staff values, and can sense when the guys on the floor need a push. The connection is strong and it just keeps building.
This is the strongest position the program has been in since 1977. The program has seen very good times over the past nearly 50 years, but nothing compares to what Shaka has built.
It has been debated over the years what the program's ceiling is and I think they are building the foundation of being a top ten program in the country. As Shaka has said, MU basketball is the place to be.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 08, 2024, 08:20:37 AMPhenomenal crowd yesterday. Probably 20-25% UW fans, most in the upper deck.
The environment Shaka has created around the program is unlike anything I've experienced in 30+ years of going to games. Everyone knows the assignment. Knows what the staff values, and can sense when the guys on the floor need a push. The connection is strong and it just keeps building.
It's the difference between Shaka & Crean. Crean valued deflections but Shaka announced accountability by saying 32 = a win.
Now everyone's pulling for 32 deflections, a kill, a skunk etc.
Amazing atmosphere, and the fewest Badger fans I've ever seen in the building for that game. I disagree with 20-25%, I don't think it was more than 10-15%. There was very little red in the lower bowl, and we had the majority of the upper as well. Also remember that 2/3 of the fans are in the lower bowl.
Anyway...so much fun. Going to enjoy it for the week, then on to more important things, like Big East titles, a 1-seed, and cutting nets in April.
Shaka has changed everything. I said that very early in his tenure. There's an authenticity and confidence in how he carries himself and how he coaches these great young men. From his preparation, analytics, tenacity, in game adjustments, and most importantly the relationships and culture he has fostered.
This is a tight knit group that care about each other and are extremely unselfish. They are starting to understand their roles better after 10 games and exude positive vibes across the board. And I agree with other Scoopers, the newbies are close and will get there in due time. We are better defensively and deeper than last year.
As a sidenote I thought Jop quietly played a really good game yesterday. He made three paint jumpers and moved the ball when he was shut off. His footwork on the interior was very solid. When he slows down and plays off of two feet he's much more effective. Once MU gets the three ball cooking we go from a really good team to a uh-oh/medieval team. :)
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2024, 08:42:48 AMAmazing atmosphere, and the fewest Badger fans I've ever seen in the building ifor that game. I disagree with 20-25%, I don't think it was more than 10-15%. There was very little red in the lower bowl, and we had the majority of the upper as well. Also remember that 2/3 of the fans are in the lower bowl.
Anyway...so much fun. Going to enjoy it for the week, then on to more important things, like Big East titles, a 1-seed, and cutting nets in April.
Yes.....I would agree....closer to 10-15%. Guy next to me wore black and didn't cheer for either team......and had a paper ticket.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 08, 2024, 08:20:37 AMPhenomenal crowd yesterday. Probably 20-25% UW fans, most in the upper deck.
The environment Shaka has created around the program is unlike anything I've experienced in 30+ years of going to games. Everyone knows the assignment. Knows what the staff values, and can sense when the guys on the floor need a push. The connection is strong and it just keeps building.
not arguing with your take, but do want to toss a prop to Crean. He was great at getting mojo back to the program. Mike Deane's final season was dull. The future was questionable. Crean was very good at getting enthusiasm for the program restored. He was often in the student section post game, and engaged MU fans on the road. Love where things are at with Shaka, but Crean was very good too. Btw, you think 20% Red in the crowd? From TV, very little red could be seen other than behind the rodent bench.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 08, 2024, 09:09:02 AMYes.....I would agree....closer to 10-15%. Guy next to me wore black and didn't cheer for either team......and had a paper ticket.
...probably a scout for Dayton🤣
Quote from: Viper on December 08, 2024, 09:13:32 AMnot arguing with your take, but do want to toss a prop to Crean. He was great at getting mojo back to the program. Mike Deane's final season was dull. The future was questionable. Crean was very good at getting enthusiasm for the program restored. He was often in the student section post game, and engaged MU fans on the road. Love where things are at with Shaka, but Crean was very good too. Btw, you think 20% Red in the crowd? From TV, very little red could be seen other than behind the rodent bench.
It was said above, and my son texted me this as well, that there was more red in the upper deck.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 08, 2024, 09:30:10 AMIt was said above, and my son texted me this as well, that there was more red in the upper deck.
Lot of red in the suites, where the money is and was
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2024, 08:42:48 AMAmazing atmosphere, and the fewest Badger fans I've ever seen in the building for that game. I disagree with 20-25%, I don't think it was more than 10-15%. There was very little red in the lower bowl, and we had the majority of the upper as well. Also remember that 2/3 of the fans are in the lower bowl.
Anyway...so much fun. Going to enjoy it for the week, then on to more important things, like Big East titles, a 1-seed, and cutting nets in April.
I actually felt like there was probably around 20% as well...at least felt like there was more red than in 2022, but the MU crowd showed through. Great crowd.
Regarding fans knowing their role, someone sent me a video of someone recording a Badger fan in front of him/her (hard to tell age from behind, but looked young adult) texting "I hate Marquette. Have kill on the video screen - disgusting." 😂😂😂
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 08, 2024, 09:46:22 AMI actually felt like there was probably around 20% as well...at least felt like there was more red than in 2022, but the MU crowd showed through. Great crowd.
Lol of course you did.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 08, 2024, 09:46:22 AMI actually felt like there was probably around 20% as well...at least felt like there was more red than in 2022, but the MU crowd showed through. Great crowd.
I wasn't able to attend so I can't debate it. That's almost 4,000 people. Basically double what Georgetown gets at their games. That seems like a lot.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2024, 09:52:01 AMLol of course you did.
Well, they are one of the top 2 teams in the Big 18
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 08, 2024, 10:02:24 AMWell, they are one of the top 2 teams in the Big 18
Easily.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2024, 09:51:34 AMRegarding fans knowing their role, someone sent me a video of someone recording a Badger fan in front of him/her (hard to tell age from behind, but looked young adult) texting "I hate Marquette. Have kill on the video screen - disgusting." 😂😂😂
I saw this as well. Not sure I condone the surveillance going on here but the text is hilarious.
https://x.com/MarqStool/status/1865506392842612998?t=a0FBl0D_hB7Uf10RAugXyA&s=19
She must have a real tough time with the Badger Student section chants.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 08, 2024, 08:10:18 AMAmazing crowd, new record again.
The intros are elite, the visuals are amazing.
The stadium is special.
The building was so loud, everyone was incredibly engaged.
The students seemed to stand the entire time.
The Marquette FiServ experience is so damn amazing.
It's a great time to be a Marquette basketball fan.
I don't know I prefer the AL more intimidating atmosphere
Quote from: Goose on December 08, 2024, 08:28:11 AMThis is the strongest position the program has been in since 1977. The program has seen very good times over the past nearly 50 years, but nothing compares to what Shaka has built.
It has been debated over the years what the program's ceiling is and I think they are building the foundation of being a top ten program in the country. As Shaka has said, MU basketball is the place to be.
Agree with all of this, Goose.
We're well on our way to being the Next Nova - a notion that was greeted here with ridicule just a couple years ago.
"Next Nova" isn't meant as a guarantee that we win multiple national titles (though that would be nice). It's that there's every reason to believe that Marquette can contend for the Big East title and a protected seed year-in and year-out, that we can be a nationally respected program, and that we hopefully can break through to play in April a couple/few times - something that takes a little luck as well as skill.
Shaka actually is light years ahead of Jay Wright's pace at Villanova. Hell, had Shaka started here the way Wright did at Nova, a bunch of Scoopers would have been calling for his head. You and I might have been two of them! But he didn't, thankfully - instead he fielded entertaining, accomplished teams while building a foundation for sustained success.
I thought last year's team had a legitimate chance to get to the Final Four, and I feel the same about this season's team. We have the coach, the talent, the intensity, the defense, the culture. Here's hoping that our guys hit enough 3s in the biggest games and that the basketball gods cooperate just a little bit.
We Are Marquette!
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I think they had a legit FF chance the last two years and it looks like they could have a chance again this year. There never was a doubt in my mind what the ceiling was for MU, just whether or not it would happen in my lifetime.
I know this sounds crazy, but how Shaka has build culture has carried over into my personal and professional life. I'm not embarrassed to say that a 46y basketball coach has changed my perspective on how I handle myself.
Crazy part, when I was a kid Al influenced me a great deal. Unfortunately most by questionable traits come from him. Now, I'm learning more skills that are less eccentric.
Quote from: Goose on December 08, 2024, 11:06:15 AM82
I think they had a legit FF chance the last two years and it looks like they could have a chance again this year. There never was a doubt in my mind what the ceiling was for MU, just whether or not it would happen in my lifetime.
I know this sounds crazy, but how Shaka has build culture has carried over into my personal and professional life. I'm not embarrassed to say that a 46y basketball coach has changed my perspective on how I handle myself.
Crazy part, when I was a kid Al influenced me a great deal. Unfortunately most by questionable traits come from him. Now, I'm learning more skills that are less eccentric.
Can you expound on the bolded paragraph a little, Goose? How has it changed things for you?
The main thing for me has been connecting more regularly with some of my old Marquette friends. They were always MU hoops fans, obviously, but these last couple of years they have gotten so into it. We have great text-chain discussions all week and during games. They are amped to see where MU is in the rankings every Monday. Stuff like that. It's so much fun.
The other thing is that I plan events around Marquette's schedule. If someone says, "You wanna grab dinner Tuesday?" I first have to look at MU's schedule before I accept ... because I ain't missing a game!
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Simply, seeing how a culture, making others better and doing it the right way has carried over to how I interact with my family and friends.
More importantly, since Shaka has come aboard our business's staff has grown 3x and into Vietnam, Cambodia and India. How we interact as a team across multiple cultures is far different than it would have been without watching Shaka.
We have seen unbelievable strides with our staff because we have created a real culture and it is awesome to see. Trust me, I'm no Shaka, but he has helped build a foundation.
I said four years ago that Shaka was the greatest hire in the history of MU and not just a basketball coach. He is bigger than a coach and I think that is fantastic for anyone associated with MU.
Thanks for the response, Goose. That's great stuff.
I wish you continued good fortune.
Really appreciate you sharing that Goose.
I think Shaka's value of investing in relationship is really at the core of what makes him so successful. On the radio show this week he and Kam talk about texting each other at 2 or 4 in the morning, watching college football together (at Shaka's house, I believe), Shaka's comments about DO's family,etc. He clearly goes far above and beyond what is required or expected for a good coach because it sounds like he really cares and wants to build those relationships.
Likely, that probably also reflects on the struggles he had with the system he felt he had to run at UT. It is way harder to build those sorts of relationships with players that will only stick for a year. And those relationships are what really lets him fight the national currents—because the players really develop trust in him and what he is preaching. So, he has to find people that are naturally looking to buy into that sort of culture and then stick with it long enough to build the trust, even after some initial adversity (team or individual).
I'm in somewhat of an analogous position with law students—I work closely with a new cohort each school year, only to see them leave just as we all really start to click. It is so rewarding and yet takes a lot of energy to do well. It requires being vulnerable with a new group of young people each year. That can be easier said then done. It is also not an automatic formula, but requires active engagement with each new person to join. Shaka's model works well, but only if you can really commit to it, which he clearly is doing. Lot to learn for the rest of us!
Quote from: lostpassword on December 08, 2024, 10:07:07 AMI saw this as well. Not sure I condone the surveillance going on here but the text is hilarious.
https://x.com/MarqStool/status/1865506392842612998?t=a0FBl0D_hB7Uf10RAugXyA&s=19
Soft!!!!
Love that Stevie is standing in front of her drink rail seat, and she is so defeated she's not even attempting to watch the game. I was there and Badger fans were outnumbered 8-10 to 1. At most 15%. Less red than previous years. Also, red was much quieter. Of course, it's hard to get excited about watching Tonje drawing foul after foul and living at the FT line in 1h, and 2h there wasn't much for them to cheer about. If Klesmit has an average shooting night we win by 25.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 08, 2024, 09:52:18 AMI wasn't able to attend so I can't debate it. That's almost 4,000 people. Basically double what Georgetown gets at their games. That seems like a lot.
I was midcourtish in 209 across from the benches, so from what I saw across from me if felt like more red than in 2022, but a lot quieter as well!
Quote from: Goose on December 08, 2024, 11:06:15 AM82
I think they had a legit FF chance the last two years and it looks like they could have a chance again this year. There never was a doubt in my mind what the ceiling was for MU, just whether or not it would happen in my lifetime.
I know this sounds crazy, but how Shaka has build culture has carried over into my personal and professional life. I'm not embarrassed to say that a 46y basketball coach has changed my perspective on how I handle myself.
Crazy part, when I was a kid Al influenced me a great deal. Unfortunately most by questionable traits come from him. Now, I'm learning more skills that are less eccentric.
This is great stuff, completely agree.
The exchange between Goose and MU82 here, two MUscoop heavyweights, is what makes this site great.
I've mentioned before that Coach Smart has carried over into my personal life and positively affected several aspects of it, especially in business, but also in personal relationships.
To MU82s point, from November to soon to be April, I schedule all my off days and as many, if not all, of my personal events around Marquette basketball.
Wouldn't have it any other way.
By the way, the part about most of the questionable traits coming from Al is great, got a chuckle outta me 🤣
Quote from: DoctorV on December 08, 2024, 12:52:58 PMquote author=DoctorV link=msg=1697138 date=1733683978]
Goose and MU82 here, two MUscoop heavyweights
Can't speak for Goose, but I had a compression fracture in my back and wasn't able to exercise for several months. Trying now to become a bit less of a heavyweight ... but celebrating all these Marquette wins 🍺 🍻 🍺 doesn't make it easy!
What really stood out to me yesterday was Kam's postgame interview with Jim Jackson where he talked about how Shaka didn't want to go into the portal to get a PG because he had faith in Kam. In an era where coaches like Bennett and Wright are hanging it up because they don't want to deal with NIL and most schools are bringing at least a couple of transfers in every year to play major minutes, Shaka is truly taking a different approach and doing it well.
Nice reading badger board complimenting how awesome the game atmosphere was at Fiserv.
Of course Eric The Red had thrown in that it's partly because this is Marquette's Super Bowl. Pretty sure the #5 ranked team is not treating this game as a superbowl.
And funny to read that someone said Marquette and Purdue can only do the recruit and retain program building cause they don't have high-major football.
Well, Wisconsin does not have high-major football either.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on December 08, 2024, 01:18:38 PMWhat really stood out to me yesterday was Kam's postgame interview with Jim Jackson where he talked about how Shaka didn't want to go into the portal to get a PG because he had faith in Kam. In an era where coaches like Bennett and Wright are hanging it up because they don't want to deal with NIL and most schools are bringing at least a couple of transfers in every year to play major minutes, Shaka is truly taking a different approach and doing it well.
I liked that pretty much everyone on the team at minimum slapped him on the back, and most said something to him as they walked past him on the way to the locker room. They're all rooting for each other.
Quote from: PointWarrior on December 08, 2024, 01:20:36 PMNice reading badger board complimenting how awesome the game atmosphere was at Fiserv.
Of course Eric The Red had thrown in that it's partly because this is Marquette's Super Bowl. Pretty sure the #5 ranked team is not treating this game as a superbowl.
And funny to read that someone said Marquette and Purdue can only do the recruit and retain program building cause they don't have high-major football.
Well, Wisconsin does not have high-major football either.
I love when Wisconsin fans pretend this game doesn't mean much to them but means so much to us. Go check out UW's IG post before the game. Devin Harris narrating a highlight film of the rivalry talking about how much more this game means and you can throw out the rankings in the rivalry.
It used to mean a lot more to me when we were a bubble type team. Chance for a nice win, plus always love beating UW. Now that we're scheduling much tougher in the non conference game and we're consistently fighting for a top 2 seed, it means a lot less to me. Obviously still want the bragging rights, but it's like our 15th most important game each season now.
Quote from: MU82 on December 08, 2024, 11:12:33 AMCan you expound on the bolded paragraph a little, Goose? How has it changed things for you?
The main thing for me has been connecting more regularly with some of my old Marquette friends. They were always MU hoops fans, obviously, but these last couple of years they have gotten so into it. We have great text-chain discussions all week and during games. They are amped to see where MU is in the rankings every Monday. Stuff like that. It's so much fun.
The other thing is that I plan events around Marquette's schedule. If someone says, "You wanna grab dinner Tuesday?" I first have to look at MU's schedule before I accept ... because I ain't missing a game!
The scheduling thing is so real. I no longer count days until the weekend — just days until the next Marquette game.
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on December 08, 2024, 01:18:38 PMWhat really stood out to me yesterday was Kam's postgame interview with Jim Jackson where he talked about how Shaka didn't want to go into the portal to get a PG because he had faith in Kam. In an era where coaches like Bennett and Wright are hanging it up because they don't want to deal with NIL and most schools are bringing at least a couple of transfers in every year to play major minutes, Shaka is truly taking a different approach and doing it well.
I've said it before and I'll say it again (as I likely will 100+ more times in the future).
Shaka's truly the living embodiment of what it means to "be the difference".
Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2024, 01:22:59 PMI love when Wisconsin fans pretend this game doesn't mean much to them but means so much to us. Go check out UW's IG post before the game. Devin Harris narrating a highlight film of the rivalry talking about how much more this game means and you can throw out the rankings in the rivalry.
It used to mean a lot more to me when we were a bubble type team. Chance for a nice win, plus always love beating UW. Now that we're scheduling much tougher in the non conference game and we're consistently fighting for a top 2 seed, it means a lot less to me. Obviously still want the bragging rights, but it's like our 15th most important game each season now.
they hate us...and hey, a little hate...is good. After we had a run of something like 18 of 19 on them at one point, it was THEIR coach saying the rivalry is dead. It was dead, in fact, until they followed our lead and elevated their program!! When they started to get a few wins on us late '80's early '90's and their football and basketball programs became relevant ...to the point they passed us in hoops...it's been game-on since. Sure, some of their fans will try to be Joe-cool and downplay things, but this is THE basketball game they want to win. Absolutely no doubt.
I laugh that stuff off. Of course the game means more to us. Basketball means more to us. It's what makes us different from them.
This is always the point where UW fans come out of nowhere and chirp, and aren't heard from again until March.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2024, 01:22:59 PMI love when Wisconsin fans pretend this game doesn't mean much to them but means so much to us. Go check out UW's IG post before the game. Devin Harris narrating a highlight film of the rivalry talking about how much more this game means and you can throw out the rankings in the rivalry.
It used to mean a lot more to me when we were a bubble type team. Chance for a nice win, plus always love beating UW. Now that we're scheduling much tougher in the non conference game and we're consistently fighting for a top 2 seed, it means a lot less to me. Obviously still want the bragging rights, but it's like our 15th most important game each season now.
I feel like the rivalry meant more during the Crean era (and maybe the first few years of Buzz) when the two schools were really competing against each other for the top in-state recruits. Brian Butch, Keaton Nankivil, Travis Diener, Devin Harris, Marcus Landry, Steve Novak, Vander Blue, etc. Some of those recruiting battles were more heated than others (I don't think Novak ever really considered UW) but there were a lot of good players who chose one school over the other during that time period.
Shaka and Gard, with a few exceptions, don't really go head to head that much. Gard recruits Minnesota heavily (as did Bo), Shaka gets guys from all over the country, and top in-state players like Kon Knueppel go elsewhere. Twenty years ago, Knueppel would've gone to either MU or UW, imo. That's just how it was.
Anyway, it's still a fun game, and one I'm a little more invested in than normal.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 08, 2024, 12:48:56 PMI was midcourtish in 209 across from the benches, so from what I saw across from me if felt like more red than in 2022, but a lot quieter as well!
Just seeing the game on TV, and it looks like a lot less red than I thought. Maybe because I was up high and could see the whole arena yesterday...either way, the Blue and Gold were fantastic. Crowd never let off the gas even for a second of game action.
It's a good rivalry. Like some others have said, the current state of our program makes it slightly less important. Not as many recruiting battles either.
Would be crazy to meet them in the NCAA tourney sometime. Can't imagine what that UNC vs Duke game was like for the fans in the final four in Coach K's last game, for example. A moment like that for us and the badgers would add a lot to the rivalry.
The lower bowl which has the most seats in the arena by far, didn't have a lot of red. In the upper sections, with a lot less seats, there was a lot of red. Definitely not 20%. The Marquette fans were loud the entire game, and I don't recall a single time where you heard the badger fans get loud. There really wasn't any run or wow plays by the badgers so no reason to get loud.
And yes, the badger fans love to get all hoity toity saying this is not a rivalry or this game is not important. It is b.s. talk and easier for them to dismiss a loss when your argument is this is just another game. Trust me, whenever they lose to MU, it hurts a little bit more which means the game means something a little bit more than most games. So it is important to them and that we play them every year, it kind of is a rivalry game.
Just another game on the schedule
Biding time til the Big 10 championship game
Quote from: Biggie Clausen on December 08, 2024, 01:18:38 PMWhat really stood out to me yesterday was Kam's postgame interview with Jim Jackson where he talked about how Shaka didn't want to go into the portal to get a PG because he had faith in Kam. In an era where coaches like Bennett and Wright are hanging it up because they don't want to deal with NIL and most schools are bringing at least a couple of transfers in every year to play major minutes, Shaka is truly taking a different approach and doing it well.
At first I thought to myself that after seeing Kam play toward the end of last season, sans TyKo, there was no way Shaka was legit considering portaling for a pg.
Then I realized he actually tested the waters with Seth Trimble...
That said, I'm pretty sure Shaka is so next level that he knew Kam was his guy all along, and used that comment as motivation for Kam to get better and prove to coach and himself that he's got those pg and leadership skills.
Boy oh boy is it working
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 08, 2024, 08:20:37 AMPhenomenal crowd yesterday. Probably 20-25% UW fans, most in the upper deck.
The environment Shaka has created around the program is unlike anything I've experienced in 30+ years of going to games. Everyone knows the assignment. Knows what the staff values, and can sense when the guys on the floor need a push. The connection is strong and it just keeps building.
Are there 20-25% Marquette fans at the Kohl Center when we play there? Just asking?
Quote from: DoctorV on December 08, 2024, 04:26:57 PMAt first I thought to myself that after seeing Kam play toward the end of last season, sans TyKo, there was no way Shaka was legit considering portaling for a pg.
Then I realized he actually tested the waters with Seth Trimble...
That said, I'm pretty sure Shaka is so next level that he knew Kam was his guy all along, and used that comment as motivation for Kam to get better and prove to coach and himself that he's got those pg and leadership skills.
Boy oh boy is it working
Seth is not a point guard at all.
I also get the impression that Trimble was more interested in MU than Shaka was in him. Regardless he would likely have been the first guard off the bench had he came here.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 08, 2024, 04:26:57 PMThen I realized he actually tested the waters with Seth Trimble...
I don't think we tested the waters with Trimble. Seemed like Trimble entered the portal expecting more local interest than he got, then went back to UNC when he didn't hear what he wanted to.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 08, 2024, 04:30:10 PMAre there 20-25% Marquette fans at the Kohl Center when we play there? Just asking?
My subjective guess, having gone every time it's played in Madison (including twice at the Field House) since 1983, currently it's about 15%.
Quote from: Goose on December 08, 2024, 11:20:43 AM82
Simply, seeing how a culture, making others better and doing it the right way has carried over to how I interact with my family and friends.
More importantly, since Shaka has come aboard our business's staff has grown 3x and into Vietnam, Cambodia and India. How we interact as a team across multiple cultures is far different than it would have been without watching Shaka.
We have seen unbelievable strides with our staff because we have created a real culture and it is awesome to see. Trust me, I'm no Shaka, but he has helped build a foundation.
I said four years ago that Shaka was the greatest hire in the history of MU and not just a basketball coach. He is bigger than a coach and I think that is fantastic for anyone associated with MU.
So, when Al was just a young coach out of Belmont Abbey it would be your opinion that Marquette struck lightning in a bottle when they hired him, but Shaka is the greatest hire in Marquette history? I will concede that as an opinion and not a statement of fact until Shaka wins one or more National Championships in my lifetime. I'll be 78 in a month from now.
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I think the Shaka hire has changed the trajectory of the university, not just the basketball program. I do not need Shaka to win a NC to understand what he has done for the institution.
Time will tell if he is the greatest coach hire, but I am convinced he changed the school we all love, far more than how we view our basketball team.
Quote from: Goose on December 08, 2024, 08:07:51 PMMuWarrior69
I think the Shaka hire has changed the trajectory of the university, not just the basketball program. I do not need Shaka to win a NC to understand what he has done for the institution.
Time will tell if he is the greatest coach hire, but I am convinced he changed the school we all love, far more than how we view our basketball team.
Think that's a bit of an exaggeration.
I do not think Goose is exaggerating at all. Yes, Shaka has taken the basketball program to an elite level. But, more importantly, he has shown a commitment to MU and a commitment to developing the players as individuals and not just as basketball players. Shaka's influence at MU extends way beyond the team.
I guess I don't know what he means by "changed the school." It's by and large doing well, despite some struggles here and there, which has been the case for awhile now.
I get what Goose is trying to say.
Shaka's teams play with a relentess style that sort of portrays the underdog we all love in MU. But they are also elite, so it shows how we can be among the best. He is humble, introspective and appreciative. All things we all (I think) hope to be. Shaka is easy to root for as a $3 million dollar coach bc you know he could step in and be President or Provost if needed. He's an incredibly smart, well read person who seems perfect to be the face of the University.
And best of all he's brings us together. It's a tough ticket. Interest seems through the roof.
Quote from: The Lens on December 09, 2024, 08:52:01 AMI get what Goose is trying to say.
Shaka's teams play with a relentess style that sort of portrays the underdog we all love in MU. But they are also elite, so it shows how we can be among the best. He is humble, introspective and appreciative. All things we all (I think) hope to be. Shaka is easy to root for as a $3 million dollar coach bc you know he could step in and be President or Provost if needed. He's an incredibly smart, well read person who seems perfect to be the face of the University.
And best of all he's brings us together. It's a tough ticket. Interest seems through the roof.
Goose was a little loose with the hyperbole and exaggeration, and this goes above and beyond.
Shaka is an amazing coach and has revitalized the basketball program, which has helped keep MU in the national spotlight in a time of declining enrollment. That is important.
But he would be in way over his head as President or Provost, that's just ridiculous and highlights that most do not understand the role of the President or Provost.
Between the two, he would do much better as President though than Provost, because the Provost does the bulk of the important academic oriented work.
I think if he stays it positions the university well with the changing landscape of college sports. This makes him being here and the success he brings to our university very important for the near and long term future.
Very impactful hire and ambassador for Marquette nationally.
Scoop have ya had your pills this morning? Shaka as president is a bit ouuuuut there.
Quote from: forgetful on December 09, 2024, 09:27:34 AMGoose was a little loose with the hyperbole and exaggeration, and this goes above and beyond.
Shaka is an amazing coach and has revitalized the basketball program, which has helped keep MU in the national spotlight in a time of declining enrollment. That is important.
But he would be in way over his head as President or Provost, that's just ridiculous and highlights that most do not understand the role of the President or Provost.
Between the two, he would do much better as President though than Provost, because the Provost does the bulk of the important academic oriented work.
I'm not putting a cap on what Shaka could do professionally. I has always felt there are two types of coaches, CEO's (Nick Saban) and Sales Managers (Les Miles). Both can win it all but guys like Nick (and Shaka) would be incredibly successful in whatever profession they chose.
forgetful
I never said Shaka could be President or Provost. The most important person within a company or an organization is not always the one with the highest title. IMO, the impact created from Shaka is far outweighs the President or Provost at MU at the moment.
You can disagree with that, and I am fine with that. Do want to add, I have been a basketball first guy at MU for 50+ years and now hope that the basketball program makes MU a stronger and better institution. IMO, Shaka has made the job easier for every person in power at MU.
Quote from: MUfan12 on December 08, 2024, 08:20:37 AMPhenomenal crowd yesterday. Probably 20-25% UW fans, most in the upper deck.
That number seems high. That would mean 4,500 Badger fans were in the building. I didn't see that to be the case in what I saw.
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on December 09, 2024, 10:27:35 AMThat number seems high. That would mean 4,500 Badger fans were in the building. I didn't see that to be the case in what I saw.
Cool video from Fox that shows the pregame and a bit of game action with different angles from in the arena.
https://www.youtube.com/live/iIt2GX-u8mc?si=ezN3iRvpxiNNg39t
Quote from: muwarrior69 on December 08, 2024, 04:51:38 PMSo, when Al was just a young coach out of Belmont Abbey it would be your opinion that Marquette struck lightning in a bottle when they hired him, but Shaka is the greatest hire in Marquette history? I will concede that as an opinion and not a statement of fact until Shaka wins one or more National Championships in my lifetime. I'll be 78 in a month from now.
Shaka had the best resume of any coach Marquette has ever hired. Starting with Al, we've always hired coaches from small programs or guys who were assistant coaches. Shaka got to a final four and then was a coach at a P5 program. His journey to get here makes it better than if he had come straight from VCU. He likely still would've had the P5 itch at some point.
Of course Al wound up being our greatest coach and that won't change until Shaka wins a Naty. Al also built a program that won more games in the 70s than anyone other than UCLA. That type of success would be hard to top but being a top ten program under Shaka feels great!
Al very likely will remain the greatest coach in MU history and one of the most influential hires in school history. What Al provided the university as a whole was catching lightning in a bottle. I do not believe MU dreamed Al would have the overall impact he ended up providing.
In the Shaka hire, I think he the most qualified coach in school history by a wide margin. In addition, I do believe that MU knew Shaka would provide a great deal to the university as whole when they hired him.
It made for a tumultuous 7-year stretch under Wojo, but in many ways the best thing that could have happened for Marquette basketball long-term was Mrs. Shaka saying no to Milwaukee in 2014.
I agree with others that had Shaka taken the job directly from VCU, the temptation to move on from MU after 4-5-6 years would have been enormous. But the fact that he went to Texas and experienced first-hand that being at a major, high-pressure university wasn't all he thought it would be ... it made Marquette the perfect fit for how he wants to run a program.
I'm an optimistic guy, yes, but I really do think Shaka will be at Marquette for a long time.
Quote from: Goose on December 09, 2024, 10:25:13 AMforgetful
I never said Shaka could be President or Provost. The most important person within a company or an organization is not always the one with the highest title. IMO, the impact created from Shaka is far outweighs the President or Provost at MU at the moment.
You can disagree with that, and I am fine with that. Do want to add, I have been a basketball first guy at MU for 50+ years and now hope that the basketball program makes MU a stronger and better institution. IMO, Shaka has made the job easier for every person in power at MU.
Goose, my apologies for lumping your quote and that of The Lens together. I didn't mean to imply that you also agreed he could be President or Provost.
I would agree that the basketball program and Shaka have made MU a stronger institution, and actually agree that what Shaka has done outweighs what the President and Provost have done recently, but I'm not sure that is a good thing (that isn't trying to take away from Shaka, more just emphasize that a lot needs to be done on the academic side).
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 09, 2024, 10:35:41 AMhttps://youtu.be/WxR3P3LdC7g?si=afCHyXUx0gJGnaHL
That's some interesting analysis there at the 1:39 mark by Jim Jackson.
Quote from: barfolomew on December 09, 2024, 12:20:27 PMThat's some interesting analysis there at the 1:39 mark by Jim Jackson.
https://youtu.be/WxR3P3LdC7g?si=afCHyXUx0gJGnaHL
I think this is the link you were referring to. Just filth coming out of the Big Whatever.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 09, 2024, 12:38:19 PMhttps://youtu.be/WxR3P3LdC7g?si=afCHyXUx0gJGnaHL
I think this is the link you were referring to. Just filth coming out of the Big Whatever.
It is -- thank you.
Quote from: MU82 on December 09, 2024, 11:45:41 AMIt made for a tumultuous 7-year stretch under Wojo, but in many ways the best thing that could have happened for Marquette basketball long-term was Mrs. Shaka saying no to Milwaukee in 2014.
I agree with others that had Shaka taken the job directly from VCU, the temptation to move on from MU after 4-5-6 years would have been enormous. But the fact that he went to Texas and experienced first-hand that being at a major, high-pressure university wasn't all he thought it would be ... it made Marquette the perfect fit for how he wants to run a program.
I'm an optimistic guy, yes, but I really do think Shaka will be at Marquette for a long time.
We should really put this rumor to bed. It hasn't gotten any truer in the last 10 years
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on December 09, 2024, 03:19:18 PMWe should really put this rumor to bed. It hasn't gotten any truer in the last 10 years
Exactly. Thanks for the confirmation, TAMU.
Now, is it time for Mrs. Hauser to write another letter?