1. Sultan missed the game. Go ahead and complain about the officiating. I'll start. Tonje is cheesehead for Neymar.
2. It dawned on me today. DO is built like and moves like young, bad boy Pistons era, Dennis Rodman. Better O, worse D.
3. Hey, they ran a post up for Caedin.
4. Chase rolls his ankle Wednesday, guts it out today, ...OMG, his jumper sucks and he low key stinks... Scoop at its best.
5. Good Joplin to start the second half.
6. To be fair, in the first few minutes of the second half, the starting 5 all in sync was a joy to watch.
7. Ben Gold doesn't suck, haters.
8. Nice bounce back, Kam.
9. Shaka goes to 3-0 against the Big 10 this season. Feels good to put that canard to bed.
10. A glorious day, a glorious win. Enjoy the glow all week.
Badgers: 16 TO
MU: 5 TO
The game was won there.
Ben had an all around fantastic game today.
First time I saw Owens run down the court if reminding me if Dennis Rodman.
Loved Benny trash talking Tonje after his block.
Thank you Chase for gutting it out.
Norman showing some nice signs.
A-grade second half. Great win battling through some significant injuries. Ideal timing for the week off.
Guess Gard doesn't always get it done.
Great game Marquette. Shaka in the W column vs Wisky.
and F' Ben Klesmith only hitting 3's against Marquette...
Benny putting Badgers on their ass under the rim, makes Viagra an obsolete product.
Ben stats don't tell the full story. He was absolutely superb and a major game changer. When Benny plays well MU is very difficult to handle.
The better team won for the first time in four years. Shaka checked the beat Badger box and now needs a deep run to check another box.
um, MU has a really good team this year.
That level of play beats anyone.
Fun to watch. Proud to be a Warrior!
People can apologize to Ben Gold in this thread
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 02:41:30 PMGuess Gard doesn't always get it done.
He's playing the long game.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 02:55:54 PMPeople can apologize to Ben Gold in this thread
You mean brick?
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 07, 2024, 02:56:10 PMHe's playing the long game.
Enjoy it now. They'll be a protected seed in Milwaukee raining threes on the way to the S16. Atmosphere will be lit with 18k Walmart badger fans.
Interesting to see that the Badgers fans thought we got the favorable whistle. Pretty balanced in the 2nd half, but they thought we got the favorable whistle in the 1st half too.
Thought Tonje's clear offensive foul to be a horrendous call, even though he could have been called for about 4 more, and multiple travels.
It's clear why Tonje is not playing pro ball despite being 32 years old... everything he does is a violation of some sorts. In a straight up game with a real whistle on hooks, pushoffs, travels, etc - he'd do nothing because he's not very quick and not a good shooter. Best he'll ever be is the guy at the YMCA that you just want to punch.
Quote from: Newsdreams on December 07, 2024, 02:58:06 PMYou mean brick?
Gggggggggggggggggggggggggggoooooooooooooolllllllllllllllllldddddddddddddddbbbbbbbbbbbbbbbnbrrrrrrrriiiiiiiiiick
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 02:39:05 PM9. Shaka goes to 3-0 against the Big 10 this season. Feels good to put that canard to bed.
Finally gets that elusive B1G win.
Canardly wait for the next milestone.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 02:41:30 PMGuess Gard doesn't always get it done.
False. GE03 says Gard ALWAYS finds a way to get it done.
And don't forget ... Madison is "pretty easily" a top-2 team in the Big 18.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 02:55:54 PMPeople can apologize to Ben Gold in this thread
I would like to hear NYG's and BCHoopster's thoughts right now. Good posters.
I would like to hear NLW and Farley 36, too. To see if they can successfully provoke and pome holes in the MU bubble.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 03:11:33 PMI would like to hear NYG's and BCHoopster's thoughts right now. Good posters.
I would like to hear NLW and Farley 36, too. To see if they can successfully provoke and pome holes in the MU bubble.
Ben's continued improvement and maturation ought to be a guiding light for those writing Tre off
The frosh, and I include Caedin, are so freaking close right now. They are attacking fearlessly, which is what Shaka wants and the only way to get better. We can all see the potential. Eventually, they, like others before, will figure out how to work with their teammates to get even better shots. And how to use their skills and gifts to move their feet on defense like the starters.
The future is bright for those guys.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 03:15:32 PMBen's continued improvement and maturation ought to be a guiding light for those writing Tre off
Which is why I never crap on young guys. The culture is to get high character guys who embrace growth and development. It isn't always linear and it isn't always at the pace we hope for.
Patience is still a virtue.
Really nice win, great to get that monkey off the back. You could see from the get go Kam wasn't going to let us lose.
Ben played a nice game and a great 2nd half. That shot is still flat as a pancake, but if he can get it in who cares.
Even Tre had some real positive minutes. I thought Kam sat a little long in the 1st half (he didn't have 2 did he?) But they kept it together without him.
Get Dayton and about as good a non-con as anyone in the country.
1SE, Kam did have 2 in the first half.
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 07, 2024, 03:07:54 PMIt's clear why Tonje is not playing pro ball despite being 32 years old... everything he does is a violation of some sorts. In a straight up game with a real whistle on hooks, pushoffs, travels, etc - he'd do nothing because he's not very quick and not a good shooter. Best he'll ever be is the guy at the YMCA that you just want to punch.
I just doubled the amount of turnovers he was credited for. Constant traveling, arm bars, and push offs.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 03:22:54 PM1SE, Kam did have 2 in the first half.
Ah - must have missed it- makes sense then w the offense for defense subs
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 03:18:46 PMWhich is why I never crap on young guys. The culture is to get high character guys who embrace growth and development. It isn't always linear and it isn't always at the pace we hope for.
Patience is still a virtue.
To be fair I'm not sure how good Purdue and Whisky are, but I actually think the potential of our team is as good as last year. And I didn't think that when the season started.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 02:41:30 PMGuess Gard doesn't always get it done.
Sat Tonje too long with three fouls. Once the whistles evened up it was lights out. They were lucky to have the performance from Klismet to keep it close.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 03:15:56 PMThe frosh, and I include Caedin, are so freaking close right now. They are attacking fearlessly, which is what Shaka wants and the only way to get better. We can all see the potential. Eventually, they, like others before, will figure out how to work with their teammates to get even better shots. And how to use their skills and gifts to move their feet on defense like the starters.
The future is bright for those guys.
This is my thought as well, and most importantly they are getting quality minutes and reps against really good teams. That will pay huge dividends moving forward, and into next year.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2024, 03:26:00 PMTo be fair I'm not sure how good Purdue and Whisky are, but I actually think the potential of our team is as good as last year. And I didn't think that when the season started.
Win next week and a BE title probably means a 1 seed.
Quote from: MuggsyB on December 07, 2024, 03:26:00 PMTo be fair I'm not sure how good Purdue and Whisky are, but I actually think the potential of our team is as good as last year. And I didn't think that when the season started.
But Iowa State is about as good a team as anyone in the country and we gave them a serious run without 2 key players (particularly key players on defense).
And Purdue did beat both Alabama and Ole Miss (both top 25 teams and Alabama a top 10 team).
Quote from: forgetful on December 07, 2024, 03:31:33 PMBut Iowa State is about as good a team as anyone in the country and we gave them a serious run without 2 key players (particularly key players on defense).
And Purdue did beat both Alabama and Ole Miss (both top 25 teams and Alabama a top 10 team).
There's no doubt Iowa St. is really good. They can match our speed and have a bit more physicality.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 07, 2024, 02:41:21 PMA-grade second half. Great win battling through some significant injuries. Ideal timing for the week off.
Shaka and the coaching staff proving once again how incredible they are when it comes to second-half adjustments.
Nine turnovers combined for Tonje and Blackwell, which gave them 17 in their two games this week. They are not bad players, obviously, but they are loose with the ball and it's difficult for a team to win when its two primary ballhandlers play give-away so often. (Meanwhile, Kam has the ball constantly but had zero turnovers.)
Gold was awesome, especially in the second half. A total wall on defense. And how bout that behind-the-back pass to Norman?!?!
Ross and Stevie - awesome hustle and D, and some big offensive plays, while playing through pain. Jop did a great job finding other ways to contribute on offense with his 3 not falling. Some nice drives and a great pass to Kam.
And Kameron Jones ... All-Freakin'-American. Period. We've been so lucky to get to watch him play for four years.
Tremendous work by our training staff getting all of our walking wounded guys not only ready to play but ready to play at a high level. Well done!
Only negative was failing to mark Klesmit on every possession. We made him look like J.J. Redick.
I really do think Shaka and our players have what it takes to be a Final Four team ... but I mean, it was only Madison, so I don't wanna get too carried away!
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 07, 2024, 03:39:03 PMShaka and the coaching staff proving once again how incredible they are when it comes to second-half adjustments.
They could not match our game speed in the 2H. It was beautiful to watch.
I will enjoy this one for a while, but next year's matchup between these teams should be interesting. Both teams lose a bunch of players and UW can no longer take advantage of the Covid year with fifth- and sixth-year seniors.
Quote from: MU82 on December 07, 2024, 03:39:47 PMNine turnovers combined for Tonje and Blackwell, which gave them 17 in their two games this week. They are not bad players, obviously, but they are loose with the ball and it's difficult for a team to win when its two primary ballhandlers play give-away so often. (Meanwhile, Kam has the ball constantly but had zero turnovers.)
Gold was awesome, especially in the second half. A total wall on defense. And how bout that behind-the-back pass to Norman?!?!
Ross and Stevie - awesome hustle and D, and some big offensive plays, while playing through pain. Jop did a great job finding other ways to contribute on offense with his 3 not falling. Some nice drives and a great pass to Kam.
And Kameron Jones ... All-Freakin'-American. Period. We've been so lucky to get to watch him play for four years.
Tremendous work by our training staff getting all of our walking wounded guys not only ready to play but ready to play at a high level. Well done!
Only negative was failing to mark Klesmit on every possession. We made him look like J.J. Redick.
I really do think Shaka and our players have what it takes to be a Final Four team ... but I mean, it was only Madison, so I don't wanna get too carried away!
Ya...I'm not sold on Whisky despite your points being spot on. And they could have big probs if Tonje and Blackwell are called for their left arm hooks off the dribble.
Quote from: Afroman on December 07, 2024, 03:42:10 PMI will enjoy this one for a while, but next year's matchup between these teams should be interesting. Both teams lose a bunch of players and UW can no longer take advantage of the Covid year with fifth- and sixth-year seniors.
Marquette is going to be really good next year
Quote from: Afroman on December 07, 2024, 03:42:10 PMI will enjoy this one for a while, but next year's matchup between these teams should be interesting. Both teams lose a bunch of players and UW can no longer take advantage of the Covid year with fifth- and sixth-year seniors.
Sht. I was hoping Crowl would be back.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 03:43:17 PMMarquette is going to be really good next year
No Kameron
Quote from: MU82 on December 07, 2024, 03:39:47 PMNine turnovers combined for Tonje and Blackwell, which gave them 17 in their two games this week. They are not bad players, obviously, but they are loose with the ball and it's difficult for a team to win when its two primary ballhandlers play give-away so often. (Meanwhile, Kam has the ball constantly but had zero turnovers.)
Gold was awesome, especially in the second half. A total wall on defense. And how bout that behind-the-back pass to Norman?!?!
Ross and Stevie - awesome hustle and D, and some big offensive plays, while playing through pain. Jop did a great job finding other ways to contribute on offense with his 3 not falling. Some nice drives and a great pass to Kam.
And Kameron Jones ... All-Freakin'-American. Period. We've been so lucky to get to watch him play for four years.
Tremendous work by our training staff getting all of our walking wounded guys not only ready to play but ready to play at a high level. Well done!
Only negative was failing to mark Klesmit on every possession. We made him look like J.J. Redick.
I really do think Shaka and our players have what it takes to be a Final Four team ... but I mean, it was only Madison, so I don't wanna get too carried away!
Well said. Concur with all. This defense will carry us in March.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 07, 2024, 03:49:44 PMGreat point!
If you don't trust this staff yet, I don't know what to tell you.
Seamless transition without Kolek or Oso
It was only a couple minutes today, but I enjoyed Point DO today
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 03:50:38 PMIf you don't trust this staff yet, I don't know what to tell you.
Seamless transition without Kolek or Oso
Sure, and I was a doubter coming into this season.
But Marquette had Kam. Next season we've got Chase, and Damarius offensively...
A bit different, but yes I should learn to trust Shaka and staff
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 03:50:38 PMIf you don't trust this staff yet, I don't know what to tell you.
Seamless transition without Kolek or Oso
It's just crazy, ain't it?
1. We're gonna be real good next season.
2. We're only 10 games into this season, and it can be a real special one. I seriously never think about next season for one second unless a Scooper brings it up; I'm having too much fun watching this team this season.
Quote from: MU82 on December 07, 2024, 03:55:16 PMIt's just crazy, ain't it?
1. We're gonna be real good next season.
2. We're only 10 games into this season, and it can be a real special one. I seriously never think about next season for one second unless a Scooper brings it up; I'm having too much fun watching this team this season.
That, too. Worrying about the game next year is, quite frankly, bizarre
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 07, 2024, 03:07:54 PMIt's clear why Tonje is not playing pro ball despite being 32 years old... everything he does is a violation of some sorts. In a straight up game with a real whistle on hooks, pushoffs, travels, etc - he'd do nothing because he's not very quick and not a good shooter. Best he'll ever be is the guy at the YMCA that you just want to punch.
m
He'll be the Y player who yells 'foul!' on every shot. 👀
Excellent win over a clear top 2 big ten team.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 03:50:38 PMIf you don't trust this staff yet, I don't know what to tell you.
Seamless transition without Kolek or Oso
Shaka has moved this program to the 'reload not rebuild' level.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 07, 2024, 04:00:13 PMm
He'll be the Y player who yells 'foul!' on every shot. 👀
He's AJ Storr II.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on December 07, 2024, 04:04:10 PMShaka has moved this program to the 'reload not rebuild' level.
If he does it again next year I'll never expect a down year ever again.
Quote from: Goose on December 07, 2024, 02:53:47 PMThe better team won for the first time in four years. Shaka checked the beat Badger box and now needs a deep run to check another box.
This. My son, a senior, texted he was grateful he finally saw a win over the Badgers during his tenure. I texted him back the now MU needs a deep run in March to put the icing on the cake. What a great time for him to be a student. The beginning of an MU basketball renaissance.
When Chase flew down the court for the breakaway and took it strong, should have been an And-1...#7 arm-barred him mid-air
Quote from: MU24 on December 07, 2024, 04:27:56 PMWhen Chase flew down the court for the breakaway and took it strong, should have been an And-1...#7 arm-barred him mid-air
I wanted him to throw down a nasty dunk so bad but when they contested the way he in mid air shifted for the lay in was so smooth.
Chase getting better at finishing on drives and in transition will take him from being a menace to virtually unstoppable.
Doctor
Owens will be the next MU superstar and might have a short career at MU. IMO, he is the one of the most gifted recruits in the last 30 years.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 03:15:32 PMBen's continued improvement and maturation ought to be a guiding light for those writing Tre off
I agree with the sentiment. Ben showed many more glimmers of hope early on than Tre has. Just like DO and Parnham have. Players mature in different time frames though and frankly Tre has had more depth in front of him to get through for playing time. Hope he does continue to improve.
Quote from: Frenns Liquor Depot on December 07, 2024, 03:27:10 PMSat Tonje too long with three fouls. Once the whistles evened up it was lights out. They were lucky to have the performance from Klismet to keep it close.
Spot on analysis and summary!!
Just watched. Everything said here is great. Kam is special. The energy from Stevie and Chase was incredible. Ben's game is translating from practice.
Crowd was incredible. If there were Badger fans there, they were quiet.
Solid minutes by Caedin today when Gold had to sit. He's going to be good, just think we won't start seeing it consistently until next year.
They held up very well too when Kam had to sit.
Great job by their medical team getting Chase ready to not just play today, but play effectively too.
Hard earned and gritty win. Everyone had a hand in the win. Feels great to be back on the winning side!
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 07, 2024, 04:41:20 PMJust watched. Everything said here is great. Kam is special. The energy from Stevie and Chase was incredible. Ben's game is translating from practice.
Crowd was incredible. If there were Badger fans there, they were quiet.
They were very quiet. MU crowd was fantastic.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 02:39:05 PM2. It dawned on me today. DO is built like and moves like young, bad boy Pistons era, Dennis Rodman. Better O, worse D.
I petition to nickname him "the worm".
Quote from: Goose on December 07, 2024, 04:34:37 PMDoctor
Owens will be the next MU superstar and might have a short career at MU. IMO, he is the one of the most gifted recruits in the last 30 years.
Yea, he's special.
Quote from: DoctorV on December 07, 2024, 04:50:01 PMYea, he's special.
Talented yes, but not ready to anoint him yet. Hope you and Goose are right.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 07, 2024, 04:44:24 PMThey were very quiet. MU crowd was fantastic.
Football success gives them a lot of energy. They have been beaten down the last few years on the gridiron. Seems this game has been played the same day as the B10 championship game with UW in it on multiple occasions. Remember one year they blamed the loss on the band not being there lol. Our program now with all the retention and redshirts is what theirs used to be.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 07, 2024, 04:54:49 PMFootball success gives them a lot of energy. They have been beaten down the last few years on the gridiron. Seems this game has been played the same day as the B10 championship game with UW in it on multiple occasions. Remember one year they blamed the loss on the band not being there lol. Our program now with all the retention and redshirts is what theirs used to be.
Agree with all this and especially last comment.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on December 07, 2024, 04:53:31 PMTalented yes, but not ready to anoint him yet. Hope you and Goose are right.
I was surprised with how skinny he was today, first time seeing him in person.
He's got the mentals for it though, imo.
Next year will be much stronger
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 07, 2024, 04:41:20 PMJust watched. Everything said here is great. Kam is special. The energy from Stevie and Chase was incredible. Ben's game is translating from practice.
Crowd was incredible. If there were Badger fans there, they were quiet.
I thought the MU/UW split was slanted more towards MU than the last few home games.
If you all wanna consider if you are truly going crazy or accidentally have a separate tab open playing background noise
Listen to this shaka post game!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn6C-OX2uJ0
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 07, 2024, 05:07:23 PMIf you all wanna consider if you are truly going crazy or accidentally have a separate tab open playing background noise
Listen to this shaka post game!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn6C-OX2uJ0
But I also should add through all the "voices"
Shaka confirmed the team has been grinding it with injuries. Week off will be huge
Stevie rarely practices. Kam did roll an ankle pre ISU which is why he's looked gimpy. Chase and Zaide of course.
Lets get healthy and ride
Study hard for those exams boys
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 07, 2024, 05:07:23 PMIf you all wanna consider if you are truly going crazy or accidentally have a separate tab open playing background noise
Listen to this shaka post game!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sn6C-OX2uJ0
I clicked the link before reading your post 🤣
Very satisfying win. Shaka is a GD treasure.
Did anyone watching on Fox catch the moment at the end of the game where they showed Shaka with his arm around Cam Brown? At the moment, I thought he was putting in Cam for the last few seconds. But then, Stevie, Kam and Jop were substituted and Shaka huddled with the four seniors. "The Guardians" as Jones subsequently mentioned, I'm guessing.
What an afternoon!
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 07, 2024, 04:54:49 PMFootball success gives them a lot of energy. They have been beaten down the last few years on the gridiron. Seems this game has been played the same day as the B10 championship game with UW in it on multiple occasions. Remember one year they blamed the loss on the band not being there lol. Our program now with all the retention and redshirts is what theirs used to be.
Wisconsin has become a Woman's Volleyball school.
Quote from: forgetful on December 07, 2024, 03:04:36 PMInteresting to see that the Badgers fans thought we got the favorable whistle. Pretty balanced in the 2nd half, but they thought we got the favorable whistle in the 1st half too.
Thought Tonje's clear offensive foul to be a horrendous call, even though he could have been called for about 4 more, and multiple travels.
My observation is that every fan base always thinks they get the worst end of the whistle.....they tend to only notice the calls they don't get........it's really amazing how true it is in almost every game a team loses.....and even many when they win....lol
Wisconsin has become a Woman's Volleyball school.
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Post of the day! 😂
Quote from: MuMark on December 07, 2024, 06:58:51 PMMy observation is that every fan base always thinks they get the worst end of the whistle.....they tend to only notice the calls they don't get........it's really amazing how true it is in almost every game a team loses.....and even many when they win....lol
Quote from: MuMark on December 07, 2024, 06:58:51 PMMy observation is that every fan base always thinks they get the worst end of the whistle.....they tend to only notice the calls they don't get........it's really amazing how true it is in almost every game a team loses.....and even many when they win....lol
I counted 9 turnovers for Tonje.
I don't know how many turnovers he had, but once the favorable whistle in 1st half went away he was pretty bad.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on December 07, 2024, 07:26:25 PMI don't know how many turnovers he had, but once the favorable whistle in 1st half went away he was pretty bad.
He had as many turnovers as the entire Marquette team.......but if you go through a badger board game thread ( as I did) you will discover that MU was traveling on just about every drive in the first half....... ?-(
FWIW, I am really proud of this thread title.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 08:04:00 PMFWIW, I am really proud of this thread title.
I've lost count of how many times Quiet Riot has run through my had this afternoon/evening
Quote from: Doo on December 07, 2024, 06:29:25 PMWisconsin has become a Woman's Volleyball school.
Yo MU's WVB made sweet 16 last night
Quote from: MUEng92 on December 07, 2024, 08:17:59 PMI've lost count of how many times Quiet Riot has run through my had this afternoon/evening
Heheheheheh.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 08:04:00 PMFWIW, I am really proud of this thread title.
Whenever we hosted a keg & eggs* pregame in college this was the song that opened the party. Great choice.
* a few of those were financed by Mike Deane.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 08:04:00 PMFWIW, I am really proud of this thread title.
It was pretty damn good. Well done!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 07, 2024, 03:50:38 PMIf you don't trust this staff yet, I don't know what to tell you.
Seamless transition without Kolek or Oso
It's almost like good coaching is good.
Quote from: barfolomew on December 07, 2024, 03:09:26 PMFinally gets that elusive B1G win.
Canardly wait for the next milestone.
I apologize for missing this one. Well done.
Excellent effort by the whole team. Once again Kam demonstrates the ability to post 30 plus playing within a team concept.
Hopefully all the banged up folks will be able to use the week until Dayton to get healthy
Quote from: DoctorV on December 07, 2024, 03:48:52 PMNo Kameron
No problem, mon. Assuming no unexpected departures, a starting line up of Gold, Parham, DO, Chase, Tre/Sean. Assuming normal development, I still see a top 15 starting line up. Caedin, Clark, Zaide. Next season has the potential to be absolutely filthy.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 09:26:44 PMNo problem, mon. Assuming no unexpected departures, a starting line up of Gold, Parham, DO, Chase, Tre/Sean. Assuming normal development, I still see a top 15 starting line up. Caedin, Clark, Zaide. Next season has the potential to be absolutely filthy.
Not sure on filthy or even top 15 but yeah, that group with the length and athleticism could cause quite the chaos for the opponent.
Will just need to develop offense as a unit
Always. Senior year Ben and Chase, one year older, wiser, stronger DO and Parham is a helluva place to start.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 09:45:05 PMAlways. Senior year Ben and Chase, one year older, wiser, stronger DO and Parham is a helluva place to start.
And Sean
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 07, 2024, 09:24:49 PMExcellent effort by the whole team. Once again Kam demonstrates the ability to post 30 plus playing within a team concept.
Hopefully all the banged up folks will be able to use the week until Dayton to get healthy
Sorry you can't get healthy
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 07, 2024, 04:41:20 PMCrowd was incredible. If there were Badger fans there, they were quiet.
It was maybe 10-15% Badger fans. Which is honestly the smallest contingent I've ever seen for this game. Usually they are 25-30% of the crowd.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 09:26:44 PMNo problem, mon. Assuming no unexpected departures, a starting line up of Gold, Parham, DO, Chase, Tre/Sean. Assuming normal development, I still see a top 15 starting line up. Caedin, Clark, Zaide. Next season has the potential to be absolutely filthy.
I'm curious, how do you think Al Amadou would fit into the rotation? With Caedin & Clark as the reserve 5s, I assume Al would sub in for Parham at the 4.
Quote from: mug644 on December 07, 2024, 05:34:53 PMDid anyone watching on Fox catch the moment at the end of the game where they showed Shaka with his arm around Cam Brown? At the moment, I thought he was putting in Cam for the last few seconds. But then, Stevie, Kam and Jop were substituted and Shaka huddled with the four seniors. "The Guardians" as Jones subsequently mentioned, I'm guessing.
What an afternoon!
. yes-shaka mentioned Cam Brown and the other guardians in his post game with Homer
2-0 in the throwback golds.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on December 07, 2024, 04:23:04 PMThis. My son, a senior, texted he was grateful he finally saw a win over the Badgers during his tenure. I texted him back the now MU needs a deep run in March April to put the icing on the cake. What a great time for him to be a student. The beginning of an MU basketball renaissance.
Quote from: K1 Lover on December 07, 2024, 11:16:11 PMI'm curious, how do you think Al Amadou would fit into the rotation? With Caedin & Clark as the reserve 5s, I assume Al would sub in for Parham at the 4.
Amadou is a wild card. No idea. With Clark and Caedin, I can definitely see scenarios a season from now where Ben plays more 4. Something along the lines of Ben playing 20 minutes as the 5 and 10 minutes as a 4. He has the skills.
Quote from: Goose on December 07, 2024, 02:53:47 PMThe better team won for the first time in four years. Shaka checked the beat Badger box and now needs a deep run to check another box.
Right on. Solid game. KAM played like an All American. Ben played tough and was a difference maker. Chase and Jop played hard to win. Tre played his best. Caedin, Owens and Partham are true Warriors. In short, we have a Marquette team to be proud of.
MU'S defense has been altered slightly from last season, which is a sign of a good coaching staff understanding what they have.
Less switching.
There are far fewer instances where Ben is isolated on the perimeter against a guard. He isn't Oso. He is staying with his big, hand fighting, locking them down, helping, showing, trapping.
When the opponent has two bigs in the game, Joplin is staying home more. We talk about his defense. He is also not getting isolated against the PGs.
With Chase and Stevie, MU is locking down a PG and a wing. Let us call him 'Tonje'. S/C switched all over him. And when the rotations got wrong, Ben had a glorious possession of absolutely shutting him down. Tonje is a bull, not a speedster. Rugby player, if you will (see Ben's interview with Homer)
I love TKo as much as the next guy, but he couldn't defend like Chase. Replacing 6'1 with a 6'5 beast changes the defense for the better.
Quote from: tower912 on December 07, 2024, 03:15:56 PMThe frosh, and I include Caedin, are so freaking close right now. They are attacking fearlessly, which is what Shaka wants and the only way to get better. We can all see the potential. Eventually, they, like others before, will figure out how to work with their teammates to get even better shots. And how to use their skills and gifts to move their feet on defense like the starters.
The future is bright for those guys.
100% agree. Secure NIL deals for these men and MU is good for the foreseeable future.
Quote from: tower912 on December 08, 2024, 06:31:46 AMAmadou is a wild card. No idea. With Clark and Caedin, I can definitely see scenarios a season from now where Ben plays more 4. Something along the lines of Ben playing 20 minutes as the 5 and 10 minutes as a 4. He has the skills.
Quote from: tower912 on December 08, 2024, 06:31:46 AMAmadou is a wild card. No idea. With Clark and Caedin, I can definitely see scenarios a season from now where Ben plays more 4. Something along the lines of Ben playing 20 minutes as the 5 and 10 minutes as a 4. He has the skills.
This is interesting, because last night I thought that Hamilton looked comfortable in space on the perimeter against Crowl MUCH more than I thought Ben typically does.
Maybe these thoughts aren't mutually exclusive, but I thought Hamilton showed a lot of unexpected flexibility yesterday. Bright future for him if he pieces together his offensive game.
I think Caedin is actually pretty good on the perimeter. He has some smoothness moving laterally. He struggles more getting in position underneath against size and strength.
Quote from: tower912 on December 08, 2024, 07:03:34 AMMU'S defense has been altered slightly from last season, which is a sign of a good coaching staff understanding what they have.
Less switching.
I read an article years ago about why Roy Williams was always loathe to switch on defense. To him it wasn't just about preventing mismatches, but instilling an attitude that you need to be physical and fight through picks.
Quote from: Apolitical Warrior on December 08, 2024, 07:55:44 AMThis is interesting, because last night I thought that Hamilton looked comfortable in space on the perimeter against Crowl MUCH more than I thought Ben typically does.
Maybe these thoughts aren't mutually exclusive, but I thought Hamilton showed a lot of unexpected flexibility yesterday. Bright future for him if he pieces together his offensive game.
Shaka has said two things about Hamilton which I think apply here. He moves his feet much better than they expected.
(From yesterday) He is the biggest, baddest guy on the team. We have been after him to show it on the floor.
I view Hamilton as similar to Theo John. In size and ability. With this coaching staff's commitment to development, I think Hamilton becomes what we wanted Theo to be.
Tower
I am going to argue the Theo comparison. While a small sample size to date, it looks to me that Hamilton has far more tools to build on than Theo. In Theo's defense, possibly Shaka could have developed him into more of a skilled player.
Quote from: Goose on December 08, 2024, 08:34:34 AMTower
I am going to argue the Theo comparison. While a small sample size to date, it looks to me that Hamilton has far more tools to build on than Theo. In Theo's defense, possibly Shaka could have developed him into more of a skilled player.
Way more skilled than Theo.
As Sophs, only our best bigs have been able to catch the ball outside the paint and create a shot oppty in the paint. While he needs to refine his moves he certainly has potential that only a few have shown in the past.
A few thoughts...
- Congratulations to Marquette, the 2024-25 Big 10 Champions. They can drop the trophy off at their leisure, sorry, I don't make the rules, this is just how it is.
- We love to get down on Jop driving, but he found the loophole today. Wisconsin doesn't try to poke the ball away, which let Jop drive more comfortably. He made them pay for that.
- That was the lowest UW turnout at an Egg Bowl Bedlam home game I've seen. They were maybe 10-15% of the crowd, it's usually 25-30%. I heard Badger fans were complaining about ticket prices, but clearly it wasn't a problem for everyone since we set a Fiserv Forum attendance record.
- The second half defense on Tonje was incredible. He had 12 in the first half including 7/8 from the FT line. In the second, just 1/5 from the field, no trips to the line, his only 2 points came with about 7:00 left on the clock. Great D, and great work by Shaka talking to Breeding repeatedly about the hook that Tonje was using.
- I said before the game (https://bsky.app/profile/brewcity77.bsky.social/post/3lcq65kpauk2u) that we could exploit offensive rebounding with a team effort as both Arizona and Michigan had over 33% OReb rates against UW. Stevie & Chase with 4 apiece helped us to a 35.5% OReb rate. Great stuff.
- Also noticed before the game (https://bsky.app/profile/brewcity77.bsky.social/post/3lcq6nhtyzs2u) that Wisconsin was poor defensively guarding players going left and that it could portend to a big Kam Jones day. Tying his career high in scoring certainly counts.
- Gard saying in the huddle that their strategy was to draw fouls and get to the line was telling. When you're counting on the officials to do your job for you, that's not the best gameplan.
We can disagree here. Theo was faster end to end and had bigger ups. Whenn he actually blocked a shot, it was awesome. There were times in his final season that the offense was initiated through him in the post. He had a lot of physical gifts.
However, we agree that Hamilton is likely to be developed better.
Quote from: tower912 on December 08, 2024, 08:40:32 AMWe can disagree here. Theo was faster end to end and had bigger ups. Whenn he actually blocked a shot, it was awesome. There were times in his final season that the offense was initiated through him in the post. He had a lot of physical gifts.
However, we agree that Hamilton is likely to be developed better.
If Caedin wants to jump really high out of control and foul someone, I'm sure he could.
Theo was a good at rim protection and a physical presence but never had much touch offensively.
Caedin will be just fine. He played scared at ISU, not yesterday.
Quote from: Goose on December 08, 2024, 08:34:34 AMTower
I am going to argue the Theo comparison. While a small sample size to date, it looks to me that Hamilton has far more tools to build on than Theo. In Theo's defense, possibly Shaka could have developed him into more of a skilled player.
Agree totally, Goose. We kept expecting Theo to progress, but he really never did (possible Wojo effect). He was basically the same guy his entire time here.
Caedin has made some nice strides in just a few games this year. He's gonna be fun the next few years.
Caedin is already better than Theo ever was. Theo was like a 6th defender when the remaining 4 tried to play offense. And on defense, other than a few huge blocks, he was pretty slow and limited. No comp at all. The best Caedin comp is going to be Ben. Or one of the Creighton guys who are big and can shoot.
::) I think Caedin will be better than Theo. But he is not close to "already better than Theo ever was."
Quote from: brewcity77 on December 08, 2024, 08:40:07 AMA few thoughts...
- Congratulations to Marquette, the 2024-25 Big 10 Champions. They can drop the trophy off at their leisure, sorry, I don't make the rules, this is just how it is.
- We love to get down on Jop driving, but he found the loophole today. Wisconsin doesn't try to poke the ball away, which let Jop drive more comfortably. He made them pay for that.
- That was the lowest UW turnout at an Egg Bowl Bedlam home game I've seen. They were maybe 10-15% of the crowd, it's usually 25-30%. I heard Badger fans were complaining about ticket prices, but clearly it wasn't a problem for everyone since we set a Fiserv Forum attendance record.
- The second half defense on Tonje was incredible. He had 12 in the first half including 7/8 from the FT line. In the second, just 1/5 from the field, no trips to the line, his only 2 points came with about 7:00 left on the clock. Great D, and great work by Shaka talking to Breeding repeatedly about the hook that Tonje was using.
- I said before the game (https://bsky.app/profile/brewcity77.bsky.social/post/3lcq65kpauk2u) that we could exploit offensive rebounding with a team effort as both Arizona and Michigan had over 33% OReb rates against UW. Stevie & Chase with 4 apiece helped us to a 35.5% OReb rate. Great stuff.
- Also noticed before the game (https://bsky.app/profile/brewcity77.bsky.social/post/3lcq6nhtyzs2u) that Wisconsin was poor defensively guarding players going left and that it could portend to a big Kam Jones day. Tying his career high in scoring certainly counts.
- Gard saying in the huddle that their strategy was to draw fouls and get to the line was telling. When you're counting on the officials to do your job for you, that's not the best gameplan.
I really despise Gard and I despise his teams - they play dirty and they are whiners - was so nice to see Tonje and Blackwell get called for the offensive hook.
Quote from: WarriorFan on December 08, 2024, 09:41:20 AMCaedin is already better than Theo ever was.
That's silly. You think Coach K is taking Caedin to start on a final four team?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on December 08, 2024, 09:51:01 AMThat's silly. You think Coach K is taking Caedin to start on a final four team?
I don't think Theo started
I saw a bit of a bigger Ed Morrow in Caedin yesterday.
Maybe it's partly physical resemblance out there, but that's who Caedin reminded me of yesterday.
I'm glad we didn't need him to come out of nowhere with a block of the century to win that game
Quote from: DoctorV on December 08, 2024, 10:17:58 AMI saw a bit of a bigger Ed Morrow in Caedin yesterday.
Is that a compliment?
Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2024, 09:43:36 AM::) I think Caedin will be better than Theo. But he is not close to "already better than Theo ever was."
This is where I am. I think Theo is remembered through the Wojo lens and is therefore given less credit than he deserves. Theo was asked to cover a lot of defensive weaknesses while simultaneously switching 1-5 and ending up on guards on the perimeter. Then trying to recover and block shots.
Quote from: tower912 on December 08, 2024, 10:24:45 AMThis is where I am. I think Theo is remembered through the Wojo lens and is therefore given less credit than he deserves. Theo was asked to cover a lot of defensive weaknesses while simultaneously switching 1-5 and ending up on guards on the perimeter. Then trying to recover and block shots.
Here are Theos 5-yr stats.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4278569/theo-john (https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4278569/theo-john)
I'd love to have soph-to-senior year Theo as Gold's backup, and agree with tower's assessment of what Theo was asked to do in Wojo's poor defensive schemes.
Caeden appears to have a solid future. It's difficult to tell what his ceiling is because we haven't seen enough of him. His shot doesn't look bad coming out of his hands, but I'd rather him not take 3s in close games. There was one possession yesterday in which his defender backed 10 feet away and dared him to take the 3; thankfully, Caeden resisted the temptation and we ended up scoring on the possession.
brew, those were lots of good insights on the crowd, Shaka working the refs, Gard begging for FTs, etc.
Tower
There is no doubt I have some bias against Theo based on my take on Wojo. That said, Theo was a guy many MU fans pulled for and gave him more credit than he deserved based off of shot blocking. I said it then, blocking shot into the stands is great to watch, blocking a shot and getting the ball is playing basketball. I'll take Ben's block over a crowd pleaser every time
I have moved on from the Wojo era many moons ago, but I'll take Hamilton's potential over Theo every day of the week. He looks far more skilled and has a coach that has improved big men for quite some time.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 08, 2024, 09:43:36 AM::) I think Caedin will be better than Theo. But he is not close to "already better than Theo ever was."
I agree on both points.
I think Goose and I look at things pretty similarly. It is the skillset that Caedin has shown in limited time on the floor that we are excited about. That can be developed as opposed to the one-trick pony that Theo was. We may not see optimal Caedin until his junior year but it is coming.
It very easy to see the skillset of Owens. Same with Parham. But these guys develop at different speeds. Just look at Kam as an example.