I wasn't able to watch the game today, but see reference to Zaide being injured, though hopefully not as bad as Sean's last year. Can someone please provide more info about what happened? Thanks in advance.
Quote from: mug644 on November 30, 2024, 03:44:17 PMI wasn't able to watch the game today, but see reference to Zaide being injured, though hopefully not as bad as Sean's last year. Can someone please provide more info about what happened? Thanks in advance.
Non-contact, knee. Looks bad. We'll see what Shaka says.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 30, 2024, 03:47:00 PMNon-contact, knee. Looks bad. We'll see what Shaka says.
TAMU says in recap thread Shaka says not like Sean's injury according to the trainer. Wait and see
Was interesting he couldn't put any weight on it. Usually you can with a torn ACL, but sometimes the ACL plus more being torn can lead to that.
Hoping he's like Giannis and can come avoid a major injury here.
I thought he just banged knees pretty good with another player.
Zaide was in huge pain. Felt bad for him but didn't see what happened as I was following the play.
Shaka said he doesn't want to jump to conclusions, might have bumped knees and trainer thinks not as bad Sean, hopefully not serious. They will do a mri.
Praying for him. It was his best game of the year, and his shot looked good today.
Shaka with Homer said the initial assessment by the trainer was it was not too bad.......not similar to Sean's initial assessment.
He said he think he banged his knee.
However, caveat that need to run more tests, MRI, etc.
Agree it was Zaide's best game, and heartened by what Shaka said.
If you ever played ball and banged knees with another player, you know how excruciatingly painful that is. Earlier this week, I was thinking back to my playing days and how fortunate I was to never really get hurt ... except for the one time I banged knees. It hurts, but I really hope that's what happened to Zaide.
Didn't see the knee bang, I hope that's what it was - had the very same thing in HS and was on crutches 3 wks. Was worried that it was non-contact and that he was grabbing at he knee before going down - those are bad signs. Fingers crossed, Zaide.
Watching Lowery pick up small quick players full court is a treat. He is really a fluid mover defensively.
I sure hope he is OK. I collided knees with a player when playing in HS and it hurt so bad I thought I was going go blow chow. Felt like a hammer to the inside edge of the knee cap. I can only imagine what it would feel like for Lowery (if that is what happened) given how much bigger and stronger D-1 players are.
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Agree with everyone else that this was his best game to date. He and Tre both just need confidence. Hopefully Shaka's comments about the injury prove to be the case and he is able to return sooner rather than later.
Shaka is not a doctor, but Scoopers are. Therefore, I'm terrified, but hopeful. #pray
My first waking thought this AM was Zaide - I wish they were more formalized with status reports.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 01, 2024, 09:20:15 AMMy first waking thought this AM was Zaide - I wish they were more formalized with status reports.
Scoop speculation isn't official enough for you?
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 01, 2024, 08:35:18 AMShaka is not a doctor, but Scoopers are. Therefore, I'm terrified, but hopeful. #pray
Relax. I talked to him and told him to take 2 Tylenol and put cold packs on his knee. He'll be fine.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 01, 2024, 09:20:15 AMMy first waking thought this AM was Zaide - I wish they were more formalized with status reports.
Scan isn't until tomorrow.
Quote from: mileskishnish72 on December 01, 2024, 09:20:15 AMMy first waking thought this AM was Zaide - I wish they were more formalized with status reports.
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Just kidding, we each slept in the kids' rooms last night
Quote from: tower912 on December 01, 2024, 10:09:57 AMScan isn't until tomorrow.
Can someone Re-watch and let us know if they see knee to knee contact?
Just my observation; I was at the game, right behind the bench. I didn't see it happen, but Zaide was very upset. Pounding the floor with his fist and his whole body was "shaking/convulsing" as you would expect. He was literally crying. I don't know know if it was from the pain, or the thought of how serious it could be. He was putting no weight on it at all as his teammates helped him off the court and into the tunnel.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 01, 2024, 11:40:49 AMCan someone Re-watch and let us know if they see knee to knee contact?
It is hard to tell because he is crashing the lane and there is a WCU guy blocking the visual angle. It is certainly plausible that his knee hits another knee. Zaide's knee did not buckle or appear to hyperextend. So, that is good.
However, ZL was shaking, crying, and in alot of pain and could not put any weight on his knee when helped off the court.
His knee was in a boot when he was at Cousins this morning
Completely different injuries. So we will still have to see on overall severity
But people have got to stop referencing Zaides tears and reaction. I've seen it a ton.
In the moment pain, is a thing. Shock, is a thing. Crying is a thing.
Ahsworth for Creighton vs Nebraska had a reaction of an injury that they kill horses for.
He was playing basketball like 5 days later
It is part of the story. Indicating he was in intense pain in the moment.
Yes....it's ok to cry.
Quote from: We R Final Four on December 01, 2024, 12:00:59 PMYes....it's ok to cry.
Except in baseball. There's no crying in baseball.
Hard to see on the replay what may have happened. Sure didn't look good, and if Zaide avoided ligament damage that would be a huge win (and surprise to me.). Big loss for this team if he's out for the year. Prayers up for Zaide.
My expert analysis of Shaka's press conference is no major ligament damage but probably a moderate sprain. 4-6 weeks.
Zaide dancing after the game?
https://www.facebook.com/share/p/19akAUN3wU/
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Old photo.
Damarius not in dreads yesterday
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 01, 2024, 11:56:43 AMCompletely different injuries. So we will still have to see on overall severity
But people have got to stop referencing Zaides tears and reaction. I've seen it a ton.
In the moment pain, is a thing. Shock, is a thing. Crying is a thing.
Ahsworth for Creighton vs Nebraska had a reaction of an injury that they kill horses for.
He was playing basketball like 5 days later
Yep, I remember the pain, the agony, the tears, the shock one time in the gym.... And that was just when I missed out on last call. But I was back in the gym the next day, ready to go.
Quote from: pbiflyer on December 01, 2024, 10:03:05 PMYep, I remember the pain, the agony, the tears, the shock one time in the gym.... And that was just when I missed out on last call. But I was back in The Gym the next day, ready to go.
The Gym. FIFY :)
Quote from: tower912 on December 01, 2024, 11:59:26 AMIt is part of the story. Indicating he was in intense pain in the moment.
Exactly. Sophomore year at the Rec Center I went to block a shot and got my thumb ripped backwards tearing ligaments. I tried my best to ignore the pain and keep playing. The next time down I got hacked on the hand on a putback attempt and screamed out in pain so loud the court next to us stopped playing. Sometimes the pain radiates through the body so intensely and tears are a natural reaction.
On Thursday I was playing against a 4.6 guy. He took a pickleball to the knuckle and re-opened an old wound. Blood everywhere. No tears though. He had to stop playing because the ball was half red from his gushing blood.
A little bandaging and he as back on the court in 5 minutes. Albeit with a blood-stained shirt.
Hope Zaide can bounce back quickly too. (But I'm VERY concerned and feel awful for him).
https://x.com/bensteelemjs/status/1863652746009739563?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
I've always wondered .. for all sports injury moments when the player doesn't want to put weight on a leg .. why not a wheelchair?
Totally common, quickly deployed, inexpensive apparatus that'll safely transport the injured. Yet no one uses it, opting for the three-guy shoulder shuffle.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 02, 2024, 12:41:29 PMI've always wondered .. for all sports injury moments when the player doesn't want to put weight on a leg .. why not a wheelchair?
Totally common, quickly deployed, inexpensive apparatus that'll safely transport the injured. Yet no one uses it, opting for the three-guy shoulder shuffle.
Our guy Dwyane Wade used one... when he dislocated his shoulder.
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Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 02, 2024, 12:41:29 PMI've always wondered .. for all sports injury moments when the player doesn't want to put weight on a leg .. why not a wheelchair?
Probably because of this...
Obviously expected but no Zaide for depth wednesday definitely hurts
Hopefully Shaka continues his Big12 revenge? dominance.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 02, 2024, 01:17:18 PMObviously expected but no Zaide for depth wednesday definitely hurts
Hopefully Shaka continues his Big12 revenge? dominance.
I love Zaide and keep hoping it's not a season ending injury... Ben Steele's tweet was cagey by just saying he is out for ISU which was a given and didn't tell us anything new.
However, this could be a blessing in disguise as it will mean more minutes for Damarius Owens who looked scary good in the last two games and will be an impact player for us this year with more minutes given to him. Yes he will make freshman mistakes and force things at times and be in the wrong place defensively at times... but overall the more time he is on the floor the better off Marquette will be as the season progresses.
Hopefully Zaide is only out a month or so and able to come back in January for the conference season as we definitely could use his talents as well. 🙏🙏🙏
I'm looking at Lowrery's absence this way.
His minutes in the 3 most competitive games this year (Maryland, Purdue,and Georgia) were 10, 8, and 10.
Norman's minutes were 13, 6, and 7
Owens' minutes were 4,5, and 9
The obvious result for Wednesday's game, and others in the near future, would be that Owens and, to a lesser extent, Norman would pick up minutes that Lowery would have gotten otherwise.
Owens should be more game ready now after getting his feet wet in the other three games and getting more minutes in the two buy games last week. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 15 to 20 minutes against ISU and maybe more if needed because of foul trouble.
You always want everyone to be healthy to provide the most depth and flexibility possible. But, when you only have 10 available scholarship players in the first place, situations like this are almost inevitable.
This could end up being a great learning experience for Owens. He has already displayed great potential and confidence along with the expected freshman moments. Hopefully the veterans can help him realize that he will need to let the game come to him and not force too much.
Quote from: duanewade on December 02, 2024, 01:34:33 PMBen Steele's tweet was cagey by just saying he is out for ISU
It wasn't "cagey." It was a factual statement based on the information he has received. Steele is a reporter, not a fan-board speculator.
Well, the first update isn't out for the year. So that's a positive.
His defense will be missed.
Absence makes the heart grow fonder.
Quote from: tower912 on December 02, 2024, 03:42:31 PMAbsence makes the heart grow fonder.
Yep. I really miss Wojo.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 02, 2024, 03:46:35 PMYep. I really miss Wojo.
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I will never not laugh my ass off at that pic.
Zaide's mother. Maybe nothing. Maybe something.
https://x.com/tammarag/status/1863719442053521902?t=Vr7yF5Qd1po4ecuPlv2aJQ&s=19
Following a player's mom on social media is...weird.
Quote from: wadesworld on December 02, 2024, 05:06:38 PMFollowing a player's mom on social media is...weird.
She followed my account first. Is that weird too?
Well yeah, every post means something
That post is among the most open ended posts possible
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 02, 2024, 04:23:52 PMI will never not laugh my ass off at that pic.
I agree with this analysis. It's like Yellowstone meets Brokeback Mountain.
Zaide on crutches with big brace at practice today
Tre not at practice today hopefully just sick
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 02, 2024, 08:36:37 PMWhy can only 1 of those things be true?
Because they didn't register the player's names
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on December 02, 2024, 07:23:08 PMTre not at practice today hopefully just sick
Do fans have access to practice?
Off topic but if we're allowing gambling on college sports (duh), at some point we need injury reports, right?
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 02, 2024, 08:36:37 PMWhy can only 1 of those things be true?
Oops. Didn't catch that one said Tre.
Focused on the topic of Zaire's injury.
Quote from: wisblue on December 02, 2024, 01:48:42 PMOwens should be more game ready now after getting his feet wet in the other three games and getting more minutes in the two buy games last week. I wouldn't be surprised if he gets 15 to 20 minutes against ISU and maybe more if needed because of foul trouble.
You always want everyone to be healthy to provide the most depth and flexibility possible. But, when you only have 10 available scholarship players in the first place, situations like this are almost inevitable.
This could end up being a great learning experience for Owens. He has already displayed great potential and confidence along with the expected freshman moments. Hopefully the veterans can help him realize that he will need to let the game come to him and not force too much.
Damarius will have a lot of awesome games this year, but I would be pretty shocked if Wednesday night was one of them, and I'd be very surprised if he played 15-20 minutes.
Hope I'm completely wrong, because if he plays 20 mins and has an awesome game on Wednesday I'll be ready to crown em!
Playing on the road as a frosh, in a hostile crowd, against an ELITE defense is no country for young men, especially those early in their careers that haven't played in that type of scenario before (the 4 mins at Maryland doesnt count for this exercise)
Add to that the bravado that DO has, the confidence and swagger to handle the ball amongst crowds and try to get results- which is a great thing for a talented young freshman to have- but when you combine this with the point above it usually can result into trouble.
His handle and dribbling ability amongst high pressure has been his weakest offensive attribute thus far, and Wednesday will be a daunting task for every MU ball handler.
We will see the upperclassmen play 33+ minutes barring foul trouble, which you rightly mentioned as the biggest reason to get those minutes.
......
Now that I think about it, however, with Zaides injury the first 4 off the bench are Tre, Parham, Owens, and Caedin
3 freshmen and a soph
So shite, maybe he will get that run whether he likes it or not, so we can ignore everything I said and hope for the best
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 02, 2024, 05:02:53 PMZaide's mother. Maybe nothing. Maybe something.
https://x.com/tammarag/status/1863719442053521902?t=Vr7yF5Qd1po4ecuPlv2aJQ&s=19
I'll bite on this. Not sounding good.
Hope he's able to fully practice come September.
Obviously much better to have him back this year but he'd be eligible for medical redshirt as he's played less than 30% of the games right?
Quote from: 1SE on December 03, 2024, 04:28:29 AMObviously much better to have him back this year but he'd be eligible for medical redshirt as he's played less than 30% of the games right?
If the injury is deemed "season ending," that is correct.
Quote from: 1SE on December 03, 2024, 04:28:29 AMObviously much better to have him back this year but he'd be eligible for medical redshirt as he's played less than 30% of the games right?
Yes, super plain vanilla medical hardship waiver if a doc says he can't go the rest of the year. He'd then have 3 years to compete 3 more years.
Dammit.
Haven't we learned from following social media in the past that sometimes people just post to post?
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 03, 2024, 09:02:29 AMHaven't we learned from following social media in the past that sometimes people just post to post?
We have learned nothing. Nada.
Quote from: cheebs09 on December 03, 2024, 09:02:29 AMHaven't we learned from following social media in the past that sometimes people just post to post?
Yep. My guess is that there may be an announcement sometime today. The fact that there has not been a formal one (beyond out for the ISU game) worries me. In this case, no news (so far) is not good news, but to be clear...I am just speculating.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on December 03, 2024, 09:09:36 AMYep. My guess is that there may be an announcement sometime today. The fact that there has not been a formal one (beyond out for the ISU game) worries me. In this case, no news (so far) is not good news, but to be clear...I am just speculating.
I'm not sure speculating isn't allowed here, well unless it's wild speculation.
I certainly hope I'm reading too much into tweets, but writing that Zaide is in "good spirits" does not sound promising to me.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 03, 2024, 04:13:49 PMI certainly hope I'm reading too much into tweets, but writing that Zaide is in "good spirits" does not sound promising to me.
Maybe he popped a nice bottle of scotch
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 03, 2024, 04:13:49 PMI certainly hope I'm reading too much into tweets, but writing that Zaide is in "good spirits" does not sound promising to me.
I mean, how good would you feel after a knee amputation??
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 03, 2024, 04:25:07 PMI mean, how good would you feel after a knee amputation??
If they only took the knee I'll be in good spirits as a fan.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 03, 2024, 04:27:35 PMIf they only took the knee I'll be in good spirits as a fan.
It's a rare, and relatively experimental procedure. But if successful, he should be back in no time.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 03, 2024, 04:25:07 PMI mean, how good would you feel after a knee amputation??
If Austin Peay can have a player with one arm, why not a player with one leg?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 03, 2024, 04:44:47 PMIf Austin Peay can have a player with one arm, why not a player with one leg?
We've already had a player with one eye. And a few with only half of a brain.
Picture of Zaide smiling boarding the team plane
Think we can rule out amputation
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 03, 2024, 05:27:23 PMThink we can rule out amputation
Can you see his knee clearly? Or was there just a void where it was supposed to be?
Quote from: rocky_warrior on December 03, 2024, 05:32:53 PMCan you see his knee clearly? Or was there just a void where it was supposed to be?
Heard through reliable back channels of photo analysts that the way he was postured in the photo points to two fully intact legs no prosthetics.
I'm simply the messenger though.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 03, 2024, 05:27:23 PMPicture of Zaide smiling boarding the team plane
Think we can rule out amputation
They used a body double. More MU Smoke n Mirrors.
If they were to do a leg transplant, is it better to give Sean's good leg to Zaide or Zaide's good leg to Sean?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 03, 2024, 07:39:23 PMIf they were to do a leg transplant, is it better to give Sean's good leg to Zaide or Zaide's good leg to Sean?
Harvest legs from one of the walk-ons and give one good leg to Sean and one to Zaide.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on December 03, 2024, 07:39:23 PMIf they were to do a leg transplant, is it better to give Sean's good leg to Zaide or Zaide's good leg to Sean?
Either way, they'd be running in circles.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 03, 2024, 05:27:23 PMPicture of Zaide smiling boarding the team plane
Think we can rule out amputation
Him traveling seems to be decent news at least
Quote from: BM1090 on December 03, 2024, 10:23:07 PMHim traveling seems to be decent news at least
Yeah on a serious note at least seems to confirm the injury isnt sean level bad
Im not medical expert but I feel like he would be doing a surgery rather than walking onto a plane to Iowa
Quote from: Jockey on December 03, 2024, 09:49:48 PMEither way, they'd be running in circles.
Not as bad as what you do in circles, aina
Quote from: Jockey on December 03, 2024, 09:49:48 PMEither way, they'd be running in circles.
No need to type all that. Next time just post "Malone."
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on December 03, 2024, 10:37:55 PMYeah on a serious note at least seems to confirm the injury isnt sean level bad
Im not medical expert but I feel like he would be doing a surgery rather than walking onto a plane to Iowa
Not a full picture but did not look like he had crutches either.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on December 02, 2024, 12:41:29 PMI've always wondered .. for all sports injury moments when the player doesn't want to put weight on a leg .. why not a wheelchair?
Totally common, quickly deployed, inexpensive apparatus that'll safely transport the injured. Yet no one uses it, opting for the three-guy shoulder shuffle.
A lot of times, bending your knee is super painful, which is exacerbated by sitting. Also there aren't many wheelchairs designed for people over 6 foot, making it even more awkward for the injured.
Quote from: MUDPT on December 04, 2024, 06:33:29 AMA lot of times, bending your knee is super painful, which is exacerbated by sitting. Also there aren't many wheelchairs designed for people over 6 foot, making it even more awkward for the injured.
So he boarded the plane on a stretcher.
Seems good!
All things considered!
Knee sprain.
Reevaluated after the next 2 games.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 04, 2024, 05:51:19 PMKnee sprain.
Reevaluated after the next 2 games.
Hey some actual information after a couple of pages of the usual comedians talking about amputations.
The announcement was that he would miss the next two games and be reevaluated "late next week" which would be before Saturday's game at Dayton.
With the Christmas break coming up I am hoping that he will be ready to go for sure by December 31. That would be a lot better than feared.
Great news. Glad the amputation was successful.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 04, 2024, 06:02:34 PMGreat news. Glad the amputation was successful.
Modern medicine is incredible.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 04, 2024, 06:02:34 PMGreat news. Glad the amputation was successful.
The Pistorius lower leg just arrived at the Al this afternoon and is ready to go.
From a reliable source.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 04, 2024, 06:02:34 PMGreat news. Glad the amputation was successful.
Quit making jokes. This site is the number one source for Marquette news
Quote from: Uncle Rico on December 04, 2024, 06:06:48 PMQuit making jokes. This site is the number one source for Marquette news
I put my trust in this site based on just that and was clearly misled.
Maybe this site should be renamed mushenanigans.com to avoid these serious misunderstandings.
Contacting my lawyer.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on December 04, 2024, 06:12:17 PMI put my trust in this site based on just that and was clearly misled.
Maybe this site should be renamed mushenanigans.com to avoid these serious misunderstandings.
Contacting my lawyer.
Thank you.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on December 04, 2024, 05:51:19 PMKnee sprain.
Reevaluated after the next 2 games.
Thanks for the update. Great news.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on December 03, 2024, 04:13:49 PMI certainly hope I'm reading too much into tweets, but writing that Zaide is in "good spirits" does not sound promising to me.
Whoops!
The 6-foot-5 Lowery escaped serious damage, suffering a sprain to his left knee. He was on crutches for a few days after the injury, but didn't use them at Hilton Coliseum on Wednesday.
MU said Lowery will also miss Saturday's game against Wisconsin.
Ben Steele
I know the earlier photos of Zaide dancing were pre-injury, but he looked like he was feeling pretty good after the game Saturday.
https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1865555121326703102
I hope the week off before the Dayton game gives everyone a chance to heal and get a bit of rest.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 09, 2024, 04:44:14 PMI know the earlier photos of Zaide dancing were pre-injury, but he looked like he was feeling pretty good after the game Saturday.
https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1865555121326703102
I hope the week off before the Dayton game gives everyone a chance to heal and get a bit of rest.
He dances like me, which means he's medically retired
I assume 21 is a redshirt? Looks like he needs a year to adjust to the physicality of college basketball.
21 is Amadou.
Did not notice the kid. My bad.
https://x.com/bensteelemjs/status/1867365724169076876?s=61&t=6XPB8f4sAKmJIzxgMcsCjw
That would be helpful.
They interviewed Zaide on the show and he said he intends to play on Saturday. Great news!
Always good to have another Doberman out there on defense.