What is each MU player making before state and federal taxes in NIL money this year?
Going to leave this relevant tweet Tony Altimore posted last year below:
BASKETBALL SCHOOLS:
Who has the biggest hoops budgets?
1. Duke - $28.0M
2. UConn - $24.1M
3. Kentucky - $22.7M
4. Kansas - $21.9M
5. Villanova - $18.7M
6. Michigan State - $16.6M
7. Maryland - $16.4M
8. Xavier - $15.9M
9. Indiana - $15.8M
10. Texas - $15.5M
11. Marquette - $15.0M
12. Kansas State - $14.8M
13. Syracuse - $14.4M
14. Tennessee - $14.1M
15. Georgetown - $13.9M
Link: https://x.com/tjaltimore/status/1666083267924344835?s=46&t=OtH3fGdWn1YytJV819hojw
Actually, that article would not be relative to an NIL discussion because NIL payments are not funded by the schools themselves, and therefore would not be part of those schools' budgets.
Correct. NIL comes from external sources. The number in the chart is salaries for coaches, salaries for staff, travel, rent to Fiserv, travel for recruiting, etc.
Most probably already knew we were up there but it's still excellent to see us up there on that list. Some schools on there need to start seeing a better return on their investment.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 30, 2024, 08:44:44 AMMost probably already knew we were up there but it's still excellent to see us up there on that list. Some schools on there need to start seeing a better return on their investment.
It's not a consistent measurement. Don't get too hung up on those numbers except to know MU supports bball well.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 30, 2024, 08:44:44 AMMost probably already knew we were up there but it's still excellent to see us up there on that list. Some schools on there need to start seeing a better return on their investment.
Like what? The return seems pretty good IMO.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 30, 2024, 10:41:53 AMIt's not a consistent measurement. Don't get too hung up on those numbers except to know MU supports bball well.
Yep
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 30, 2024, 10:41:53 AMIt's not a consistent measurement. Don't get too hung up on those numbers except to know MU supports bball well.
Agreed. AD budgets, especially per sport breakdowns are all engineered. Not reliable, or consistent in how they are applied at all.
I heard a while back that MU brings in about $1.5M from NIL proceeds. No idea how the dollars are spread out but I suspect the majority goes to the upper classmen.
So, how much bread can players like Kam, Chase, and Stevie score at MU, hey?
Quote from: 4everwarriors on November 30, 2024, 12:30:22 PMSo, how much bread can players like Kam, Chase, and Stevie score at MU, hey?
Probably 3/4 if that NIL sum, if you sub in Jop for Chase.
The remaining 1/4 goes to the younger classes.
Complete conjecture, but it's been stated that upperclassmen take far and away the biggest cut.
I'd be willing to bet Kam gets very close to what TyKo got, and so on and so forth, with their own personal NIL deals just sweetening that pot
Quote from: DoctorV on November 30, 2024, 12:56:08 PMProbably 3/4 if that NIL sum, if you sub in Jop for Chase.
The remaining 1/4 goes to the younger classes.
Complete conjecture, but it's been stated that upperclassmen take far and away the biggest cut.
I'd be willing to bet Kam gets very close to what TyKo got, and so on and so forth, with their own personal NIL deals just sweetening that pot
Based on my conversations with folks that are heavily involved with NIL, this is pretty accurate.
What's nice is that even the walk-ons get a little beer money.
I was told a story about one of the current underclassmen whose father tried to negotiate a significantly higher NIL deal during the recruitment process. Shaka basically told him, "that's the amount that Freshmen at Marquette get. If your son wants more money, I am sure that there are other teams that will get that for him." The player ended up calling Shaka back saying, "Don't listen to my dad. I want to play for YOU!"
Gtown is 15th???
Quote from: warriorchick on November 30, 2024, 05:55:00 PMBased on my conversations with folks that are heavily involved with NIL, this is pretty accurate.
What's nice is that even the walk-ons get a little beer money.
I was told a story about one of the current underclassmen whose father tried to negotiate a significantly higher NIL deal during the recruitment process. Shaka basically told him, "that's the amount that Freshmen at Marquette get. If your son wants more money, I am sure that there are other teams that will get that for him." The player ended up calling Shaka back saying, "Don't listen to my dad. I want to play for YOU!"
Mad respect for whoever that is.
The way Shaka does it clearly works for his system and helps foster a culture that keeps players for four years. I love it.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 30, 2024, 06:06:10 PMGtown is 15th???
You'd be surprised where they finished in 2023.
Still paying Ewing?
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 30, 2024, 06:06:10 PMGtown is 15th???
My guess is rental of the Capital One Center or whatever it's called these days is a significant part of that, as is MU's rental or Fiserv. Perhaps DFW can confirm if that is the case.
Xavier surprises me, especially being one of the only two BE teams with full-time on-campus arenas which means not having to pay to rent like the rest of the BE.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on December 02, 2024, 09:47:12 AMXavier surprises me, especially being one of the only two BE teams with full-time on-campus arenas which means not having to pay to rent like the rest of the BE.
It's all in the cost accounting. While Xavier has its on-campus arena, they have to maintain it, recognize depreciation and pay for its operations. You may find that much of the arena's operating and capital cost is being borne by Xavier's basketball program.
Quote from: dgies9156 on December 02, 2024, 10:18:23 AMIt's all in the cost accounting. While Xavier has its on-campus arena, they have to maintain it, recognize depreciation and pay for its operations. You may find that much of the arena's operating and capital cost is being borne by Xavier's basketball program.
True. They have also done some costly upgrades to the arena and basketball facilities recently.
Somewhat surprised to hear that a Dad called Shaka regarding NIL money. I was under the impression that Shaka is hands off in regard to handling of the NIL money or even discussing money with the players. Actually, thought it was great idea for Shaka to be away from those discussions.
Quote from: Goose on December 02, 2024, 11:52:42 AMSomewhat surprised to hear that a Dad called Shaka regarding NIL money. I was under the impression that Shaka is hands off in regard to handling of the NIL money or even discussing money with the players. Actually, thought it was great idea for Shaka to be away from those discussions.
I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't originally an NIL discussion. Also, I'm sure NIL comes up in just about every recruiting process.
Just received several postcards for my kids for House versus NCAA Class Action Settlement. Says to log in on December 17 to find out what they will get. My guess the claimant pool will be very large.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 02, 2024, 02:09:38 PMJust received several postcards for my kids for House versus NCAA Class Action Settlement. Says to log in on December 17 to find out what they will get. My guess the claimant pool will be very large.
Sick.
Quote from: Herman Cain on December 02, 2024, 02:09:38 PMJust received several postcards for my kids for House versus NCAA Class Action Settlement. Says to log in on December 17 to find out what they will get. My guess the claimant pool will be very large.
My daughter got them too. I read that for non-revenue sports at bigger conference schools, the payment may be in the hundreds to
maybe low thousands.
This guy says Kam is minting 2 million cash in NIL value and is second overall on his list. Who knows if it is true but good for Kam. His play has been at another level this year.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/10-college-basketball-players-who-are-minting-cash/ss-AA1vbKLR?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ed76230a323f4465abbec9ca7f7a101d&ei=84#image=10
Quote from: Big Papi on December 03, 2024, 09:28:04 AMThis guy says Kam is minting 2 million cash in NIL value and is second overall on his list. Who knows if it is true but good for Kam. His play has been at another level this year.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/10-college-basketball-players-who-are-minting-cash/ss-AA1vbKLR?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ed76230a323f4465abbec9ca7f7a101d&ei=84#image=10
That's "valuation" not what they're getting. Arch Manning, for example, has a valuation over $3 million and didn't take NIL as a freshman (he got one deal and gave it all to charity, and only is rumored has one deal this year with EA Sports and the speculation is that has all gone to charity too. My guess is Kam is getting a nice chunk of change (and a car) but not $2 million.
$2 million? Damn ... that's nearly double what Ners got back in the day!
It would be interesting to know how much Penny offered Kam.
Quote from: Big Papi on December 03, 2024, 09:28:04 AMThis guy says Kam is minting 2 million cash in NIL value and is second overall on his list. Who knows if it is true but good for Kam. His play has been at another level this year.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/other/10-college-basketball-players-who-are-minting-cash/ss-AA1vbKLR?ocid=msedgntp&pc=U531&cvid=ed76230a323f4465abbec9ca7f7a101d&ei=84#image=10
#FakeNews #Lies
This is nothing more than click-bait marketing nonsense.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 03, 2024, 10:58:02 AM#FakeNews #Lies
This is nothing more than click-bait marketing nonsense.
Yup the article is click-bait but they are getting info from On3. No idea if On3 is legit or not, accurate or not but they do have Kam's nil valuation in top 10 in all sports. On3 breaks down how they come up with their nil valuations on their website.
Point I am taking out of this is Kam is viewed very highly nationally and is probably getting paid some real nice coin that I was not expecting. Great for Kam and great for MU.
https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-valuations/
https://www.on3.com/nil/news/about-on3-nil-valuation-per-post-value/
Quote from: Big Papi on December 03, 2024, 11:56:29 AMYup the article is click-bait but they are getting info from On3. No idea if On3 is legit or not, accurate or not but they do have Kam's nil valuation in top 10 in all sports. On3 breaks down how they come up with their nil valuations on their website.
Point I am taking out of this is Kam is viewed very highly nationally and is probably getting paid some real nice coin that I was not expecting. Great for Kam and great for MU.
https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-valuations/
https://www.on3.com/nil/news/about-on3-nil-valuation-per-post-value/
On3's crap is made up nonsense. Kam is a guy with high preseason accolades and has been playing great for #5 in the nation. That's the reason he's where they list him. It's nonsense.
Quote from: Jay Bee on December 03, 2024, 11:59:04 AMOn3's crap is made up nonsense. Kam is a guy with high preseason accolades and has been playing great for #5 in the nation. That's the reason he's where they list him. It's nonsense.
If you say so, good to know. I think all of those reasons you listed are reasons why he would be getting some good cash.
Quote from: Big Papi on December 03, 2024, 11:56:29 AMYup the article is click-bait but they are getting info from On3. No idea if On3 is legit or not, accurate or not but they do have Kam's nil valuation in top 10 in all sports. On3 breaks down how they come up with their nil valuations on their website.
Point I am taking out of this is Kam is viewed very highly nationally and is probably getting paid some real nice coin that I was not expecting. Great for Kam and great for MU.
https://www.on3.com/nil/rankings/player/nil-valuations/
https://www.on3.com/nil/news/about-on3-nil-valuation-per-post-value/
Ah you beat me to it. This is what their "proprietary algorithm" is based on:
Performance: Performance is determined by how the athlete performs on the field. Big games against key opponents, becoming nationally ranked and winning national awards will have the most impact on an athlete's valuation. Participation in college sports is weighted heavier in most cases than those that participate at the high school level.
Influence: Influence is determined by the athlete's own social media authority. Social media followers, reach and engagement are the primary factors that determine influence.
Exposure: Exposure is determined by several factors including whether the athlete is in high school or college, which school the athlete attends and their position. Athletes that attend universities with a larger fan base and media attention are likely to see a positive impact on valuation. Athletes who play a position with higher visibility (ie. quarterback vs. center) are likely to see a higher valuation.
Deal Data: On3 collects and verifies athlete deal data from numerous sources, including athletes, coaches, collectives, agents, and player representatives as the foundation of Roster Value.
Quote from: CountryRoads on December 03, 2024, 12:10:17 PMAh you beat me to it. This is what their "proprietary algorithm" is based on:
Performance: Performance is determined by how the athlete performs on the field. Big games against key opponents, becoming nationally ranked and winning national awards will have the most impact on an athlete's valuation. Participation in college sports is weighted heavier in most cases than those that participate at the high school level.
Influence: Influence is determined by the athlete's own social media authority. Social media followers, reach and engagement are the primary factors that determine influence.
Exposure: Exposure is determined by several factors including whether the athlete is in high school or college, which school the athlete attends and their position. Athletes that attend universities with a larger fan base and media attention are likely to see a positive impact on valuation. Athletes who play a position with higher visibility (ie. quarterback vs. center) are likely to see a higher valuation.
Deal Data: On3 collects and verifies athlete deal data from numerous sources, including athletes, coaches, collectives, agents, and player representatives as the foundation of Roster Value.
I think I read somewhere on their website that 90% of their valuation algorithm is based on performance which makes sense why Kam's value is so high. He is not getting that kind of money but he bet on himself and the University and now hopefully he reaps the benefits.
Quote from: MU82 on December 03, 2024, 10:55:57 AMIt would be interesting to know how much Penny offered Kam.
I have not been able to pay close attention to Scoop during the offseason--were there rumors or reports that Memphis made a play for Kam? If I remember right, they didn't recruit him hard out of HS, right?
Quote from: MUMountin on December 03, 2024, 12:56:29 PMI have not been able to pay close attention to Scoop during the offseason--were there rumors or reports that Memphis made a play for Kam? If I remember right, they didn't recruit him hard out of HS, right?
Define rumors? To the best of my knowledge, no reputable source ever indicated that there was ever any contact between the two parties. I remember people suggesting that Shaka should blow up his entire culture and start playing the bag drop game because other schools (i.e. Memphis) were and Kam could arguable make more $ there.
I believe Kam's mom tweeted something very early in the off season dismissing any rumors that he was looking at playing anywhere but Marquette.
There has not been one accurate NIL number on this entire thread.
Kam was always trying to play elsewhere then Memphis.
So there was never a chance of "oh now the hometown team wants me"
Quote from: jfp61 on December 03, 2024, 01:21:35 PMThere has not been one accurate NIL number on this entire thread.
Including the "one" you just mentioned?
I heard Kam was considering leaving for more money after his sophomore season, but the MU faithful came up with the $$$ to keep him. I also heard Kolek was over $1 million. This is from former players. They felt MU had the $$$ to compete.
Shaka has said players take less to play at MU.
I'm not convinced anyone knows what the reality is...
My NIL is -100,000.00
Looks like BYU has unlimited NIL money
Quote from: Jockey on December 04, 2024, 04:43:44 PMLooks like BYU has unlimited NIL money
Marriott, LDS, etc.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on December 02, 2024, 04:50:32 PMMy daughter got them too. I read that for non-revenue sports at bigger conference schools, the payment may be in the hundreds to maybe low thousands.
Like they used to say in the old Master Card commercials, the time you were able to spend with her at the games was priceless.