1. Barbee Ken coach defense
2. Good to see the stellar defense ignite the offense. For about 5 minutes.
3. Too many ticky tack fouls tonight. Too many silly ones, also. But, at times, I did not know what was and wasn't a foul.
4. Gotta keep playing after the big run.
5. I am glad CMU went zone. Always good to see that early in the season. It slowed MU.
6. I think I would prefer Chase flashing to the foul line against the zone.
7. I hope Parham is OK. Ah, cramps.
8. Credit to CMU for not folding and continuing to play good defense.
9. Hit a couple more open 3s... lather, rinse, repeat.
10. Closer than any of us wanted. To my recollection, MU under Shaka does not have an embarrassing OOC loss.
I think Sean Jones coming back will help the offense. Without Kam setting things up it looks super rough
Re #6: Kam looked terrible flashing to the line in the zone. He needs to be on the perimeter in order to spread the zone.
Threes. Please, hit some threes.
Congrats to the 2024 Marquette Challenge Champions!
Should have lost this one. CMU shot 6/25 from three and had 26 turnovers and were still right in it.
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2024, 10:18:22 PM1. Barbee Ken coach defense
2. Good to see the stellar defense ignite the offense. For about 5 minutes.
3. Too many ticky tack fouls tonight. Too many silly ones, also. But, at times, I did not know what was and wasn't a foul.
4. Gotta keep playing after the big run.
5. I am glad CMU went zone. Always good to see that early in the season. It slowed MU.
6. I think I would prefer Chase flashing to the foul line against the zone.
7. I hope Parham is OK. Ah, cramps.
8. Credit to CMU for not folding and continuing to play good defense.
9. Hit a couple more open 3s... lather, rinse, repeat.
10. Closer than any of us wanted. To my recollection, MU under Shaka does not have an embarrassing OOC loss.
CHase hit some 3s in the 2nd half to save us. So kinda needed him as well. But yeah, ultimately agree anyone but Kam there. We cant be having Kam take 2 shots the entire 2nd half of a game we are blowing.
Whatever. The big games start Friday. This game leaves zero confidence for it. But if the Brick Brothers decide to make shots Friday and we win. Today wont matter at all
Quote from: MU24 on November 11, 2024, 10:20:45 PMI think Sean Jones coming back will help the offense. Without Kam setting things up it looks super rough
I fear that will be for the 25-26 season.
3-21 from Jop and Ben isn't going to cut it Tower. They can't just be spot shooters from distance. Defensively we can't expect to turn teams over like we did tonight either. I was extremely disappointed with how we attacked the zone. Whatever happened to patience and execution?
Not good. No bench production once again and offense is nonexistent without Kam. Last years class looks downright bad. Hope tre and Zaide figure it out sooner rather than later.
Ben and Jop? I'm afraid they are who they are.
Teams are going to run actions right at Kam and try to get him in trouble. Whole game turned without his gravity on offense
I'm gonna die on the hill that Jop needs to be allowed to have a mid range game. He's so hot and cold he needs a way to warm up as the game goes. And he needs to stop driving, it's so bad.
Perspective, Muggsy. What are the options?
Kam way too deferential tonight, especially since a lot of the guys he's passing to couldn't shoot it.
Rebounding is going to be a massive issue for this team. We are little and not athletic down low.
We should probably face a zone defense a lot.
Kam will need to play about 39 mpg. Team is totally lost without him.
Went from playing way too out of control offensively to looking scared to have the ball in our hands at all. Didn't want to dribble, didn't want to make passes.
Hoping Shaka was letting them try to figure it out on their own, because his timeout use (or lack thereof) was brutal.
Won and nobody got hurt.
Lowry and Norman need to step up. We are getting nothing from them. Parham and Hamilton are already contributing more than these sophomores.
The good: 21-0 in 3:34
The bad and the ugly: 49-62 over the other 36:26.
CMU gave up 73 points to Stony Brook. I credit their defense for tonight's result much less than MU's bad offense.
It's early (duh) but Shaka may come to regret his decision not to go get some size in the portal.
Quote from: ATL MU Warrior on November 11, 2024, 10:26:56 PMKam way too deferential tonight, especially since a lot of the guys he's passing to couldn't shoot it.
But he wasn't able to get into the lane for his 'off the backboard' shots. So, what to do?
Sure hope Owens is a player. Think we got a good one in Parham. He'll be getting major minutes soon enough.
1. Cant go 0-10 from 3.
2. Kam can't get into foul trouble.
3. Tre and Z have been disappointing.
4. Gold is who he is. Not an NBA player.
5. Hoping Owens and Sean get healthy soon.
19 3 point attempts from the 4/5 spots.
17 3 point attempts from the 1-3 spots.
Time for coach Nevada to revisit that, dontchathink?
"But if the brick brothers decide to make shots on Friday we win" got me.
Well played. Not nice, but well played.
Of course they have to keep shooting, but definitely time to revisit the approach when it comes to the amount of attempts compared to the guards imo
Quote from: tower912 on November 11, 2024, 10:26:37 PMPerspective, Muggsy. What are the options?
We don't need to play fast every possession. Especially vs a Zone in the h-c. When Ben caught the ball at the FT line, 95% he wasn't even looking at the rim. We need a guy that can make plays from that spot. Either Chase, Royce, or Stevie. I'm not sure it's in Jop's repertoire. We were out of control a lot this evening Tower. No rhythm in our h-court O. I'd like more patience and better passing once we punch the paint. Gold has to be much better moving forward and more than a spot 3 pt shooter. We desperately need this kid.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on November 11, 2024, 10:28:03 PMLowry and Norman need to step up. We are getting nothing from them. Parham and Hamilton are already contributing more than these sophomores.
Not accurate.
Tre yes so far. Shaka made some lofty praise last year, we lost our All American PG, and he can't get on the court.
Zaide is a difference maker on defense, that's why he plays so much, rightfully so imo.
Offensively, he will get better in time. Have to stick with him and hopefully a Chase-ish like improvement comes in due time, even if we have to wait until next year.
If SJ22 comes back effective, explosive and good again then Tre has a big uphill battle for minutes
Quote from: DoctorV on November 11, 2024, 10:34:01 PM19 3 point attempts from the 4/5 spots.
17 3 point attempts from the 1-3 spots.
Time for coach Nevada to revisit that, dontchathink?
"But if the brick brothers decide to make shots on Friday we win" got me.
Well played. Not nice, but well played.
Of course they have to keep shooting, but definitely time to revisit the approach when it comes to the amount of attempts compared to the guards imo
Not sure a philosophical change to a program that has been a 2 seed in back to back NCAA Tournaments is needed because of a bad game against a bad team.
It's early but we are missing playmakers. When 3s aren't falling, we don't have many other options. Hopefully Owen's will help that, but it's a lot to ask of.a freshman.
Hoping Zaire can be a consistent contributor.the game seems too fast for him. He needs that breakout game . . .
Ugly game. Need Jop and Gold to hit the open 3s. But a win.
Need Owens back. Badly need him as a bench scorer. Hopefully Sean returns this year because we need a legit backup PG.
Hopefully the rest of the bench shows some in season growth. Royce provided a spark until cramping up. Need Zaide and Tre to find their spots on offense.
Quote from: AlumKCof93 on November 11, 2024, 10:42:55 PMHoping Zaire can be a consistent contributor
New transfer?
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 11, 2024, 10:44:06 PMUgly game. Need Jop and Gold to hit the open 3s. But a win.
Need Owens back. Badly need him as a bench scorer. Hopefully Sean returns this year because we need a legit backup PG.
Hopefully the rest of the bench shows some in season growth. Royce provided a spark until cramping up. Need Zaide and Tre to find their spots on offense.
Any concerns about our rebounding or was it because of the trapping most of the game?
Yall can complain as much as you want but the offensive philosophy is not going to change.
1. MU is 3-0 that is a good thing.
2. Kids are hustling on defense that is a good thing.
3. Several players have definitely proven they cannot shoot, that is a bad thing
4. MU has room for improvement if they are going to be able to compete the next three games.
5. MU Coaching staff should consider emphasizing using non dominant hand more. Too many players again this year who only can drive and shoot with dominant hand. Is a problem when some of those players are your primary scoring threat.
Quote from: Holy hell all time on November 11, 2024, 10:42:24 PMNot sure a philosophical change to a program that has been a 2 seed in back to back NCAA Tournaments is needed because of a bad game against a bad team.
Who asked for a change in philosophy?
Our starting 5 shot 0 3s ALL SEASON last year.
Joplin took a lot, but that's 2 games in his last 4 where he's done this.
Marquette had a pg that could create open buckets for everyone on the court last season.
He's flown the coop.
So, everything will be MUCH harder in the HC offense this season, as we should have all expected... Wait for the game against Sconnie, first to 55 wins 😂
In all seriousness all I'm saying is that the "easy" solution is pick and pop with Ben and Jop taking 3s- but that's the thing, it's "easy" because teams aren't going nuts stepping out to defend a Benny 3. Guess what, kid can't shoot right now. Joplin, who can actually shoot, is even missing in bunches because the maestro isn't setting him up with perfect passes in his shooting pocket to catch and drain.
So, back in the lab for coach Nevada.
Start with more Kam, it's foolproof. I don't get paid to figure out the rest, I'll leave that to them.
I'm actually more bullish on this years squad than I was 3 games ago. The defense might be the best of the Shaka era, that'll be good for top 15/20, and that travels when you have Kam. The rest will fall in place, especially after Nevada and Shaka get back in the lab
Quote from: whitykj on November 11, 2024, 10:25:30 PMI'm gonna die on the hill that Jop needs to be allowed to have a mid range game. He's so hot and cold he needs a way to warm up as the game goes. And he needs to stop driving, it's so bad.
I totally agree. And Ben in the post. They said multiple times on tv that Ben is taller than Oso. Let him work in the post and kick out to shooters and drivers.
Seems like they work Ben on the perimeter far too often.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 11, 2024, 10:52:22 PMWho asked for a change in philosophy?
Our starting 5 shot 0 3s ALL SEASON last year.
Joplin took a lot, but that's 2 games in his last 4 where he's done this.
Marquette had a pg that could create open buckets for everyone on the court last season.
He's flown the coop.
So, everything will be MUCH harder in the HC offense this season, as we should have all expected... Wait for the game against Sconnie, first to 55 wins 😂
In all seriousness all I'm saying is that the "easy" solution is pick and pop with Ben and Jop taking 3s- but that's the thing, it's "easy" because teams aren't going nuts stepping out to defend a Benny 3. Guess what, kid can't shoot right now. Joplin, who can actually shoot, is even missing in bunches because the maestro isn't setting him up with perfect passes in his shooting pocket to catch and drain.
So, back in the lab for coach Nevada.
Start with more Kam, it's foolproof. I don't get paid to figure out the rest, I'll leave that to them.
I'm actually more bullish on this years squad than I was 3 games ago. The defense might be the best of the Shaka era, that'll be good for top 15/20, and that travels when you have Kam. The rest will fall in place, especially after Nevada and Shaka get back in the lab
Kam is setting up guys with just as wide open of shots as Kolek was. They missed them tonight. It happens in college basketball sometimes.
Quote from: Holy hell all time on November 11, 2024, 10:55:38 PMKam is setting up guys with just as wide open of shots as Kolek was. They missed them tonight. It happens in college basketball sometimes.
Nowhere close
Quote from: DoctorV on November 11, 2024, 10:56:58 PMNowhere close
The looks Jop and Gold are getting are wide open. Same with Chase and Stevie. And he's averaging 6.33 assist per game even with the bigs bricking wide open looks.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 11, 2024, 10:52:22 PMWho asked for a change in philosophy?
Our starting 5 shot 0 3s ALL SEASON last year.
Joplin took a lot, but that's 2 games in his last 4 where he's done this.
Marquette had a pg that could create open buckets for everyone on the court last season.
He's flown the coop.
So, everything will be MUCH harder in the HC offense this season, as we should have all expected... Wait for the game against Sconnie, first to 55 wins 😂
In all seriousness all I'm saying is that the "easy" solution is pick and pop with Ben and Jop taking 3s- but that's the thing, it's "easy" because teams aren't going nuts stepping out to defend a Benny 3. Guess what, kid can't shoot right now. Joplin, who can actually shoot, is even missing in bunches because the maestro isn't setting him up with perfect passes in his shooting pocket to catch and drain.
So, back in the lab for coach Nevada.
Start with more Kam, it's foolproof. I don't get paid to figure out the rest, I'll leave that to them.
I'm actually more bullish on this years squad than I was 3 games ago. The defense might be the best of the Shaka era, that'll be good for top 15/20, and that travels when you have Kam. The rest will fall in place, especially after Nevada and Shaka get back in the lab
Who flew the coop?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 11, 2024, 10:52:39 PMI totally agree. And Ben in the post. They said multiple times on tv that Ben is taller than Oso. Let him work in the post and kick out to shooters and drivers.
Seems like they work Ben on the perimeter far too often.
Two completely different players and the objective is to have Gold on the perimeter on offense.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 11, 2024, 10:56:58 PMNowhere close
Huh??
Kams passing has been excellent. I've actually been shocked at how many wide open looks we've gotten through 3 games
We got a bunch of guys who cant shoot(at least right now) around him. He is getting us fantastic looks continually though.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 11, 2024, 11:03:57 PMHuh??
Kams passing has been excellent. I've actually been shocked at how many wide open looks we've gotten through 3 games
We got a bunch of guys who cant shoot(at least right now) around him. He is getting us fantastic looks continually though.
Kams passing has been fine.
It's not close to what TyKos passing was last season and the one before.
https://x.com/tylerkolekmuse/status/1856097913786540519?s=46&t=35915BXcxT6KZA0zxJYvMw
I'd be shocked if the quality of looks is as good this season but I obviously can't quantify that, cue the stat nerds...
Wait until we actually play a normal team. These are 300 KenPom squads.
I mean it's no slight to Kam, Tyler was the best passer this university has ever seent.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 11, 2024, 11:02:54 PMTwo completely different players and the objective is to have Gold on the perimeter on offense.
Of course they are different, but 21 of Ben's 26 shots this season are from behind the 3 point arc, and he has made 3 of his 5 inside the arc.
Gotta get him some closer looks to expand his offense if they are going to roll with him at the 5 more often than the 4...which obviously with this personnel they will.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 11, 2024, 11:06:07 PMOh, so he abandoned the team?
Just moved on to chase his dream and pursue lifelong financial stability
Quote from: DoctorV on November 11, 2024, 11:08:45 PMKams passing has been fine.
It's not close to what TyKos passing was last season and the one before.
I'd be shocked if the quality of looks is as good this season but I obviously can't quantify that, cue the stat nerds...
Wait until we actually play a normal team. These are 300 KenPom squads.
I mean it's no slight to Kam, Tyler was the best passer this university has ever seent.
George Mason is better than 4 big east teams at 80.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 11, 2024, 11:11:20 PMGeorge Mason is better than 4 big east teams at 80.
Yea and Marquette lost to them
Rico
Quote from: DoctorV on November 11, 2024, 10:52:22 PMOur starting 5 shot 0 3s ALL SEASON last year.
That's not accurate. He didn't shoot many, but it wasn't zero and we heard all summer that him shooting threes was going to be part of the offense. Which lasted until we saw that shooting form that is the talk of Phoenix now.
Quote from: BM1090 on November 11, 2024, 11:11:20 PMGeorge Mason is better than 4 big east teams at 80.
Once George Mason plays Central Michigan on Wed... Well ... Maybe we'll see if they can live up to their "80'. Though to be fair, thus far the only thing I can say about central Michigan is they they keep games close!
Right but semantics, and you get the point. How many did he miss last year, 2?
The 5 in the Nevada/Shaka offense is "meant" to be a ball handling 5 that can stretch the floor, catch and read, pass effectively and survey the entire floor to help run the HC offense, with the ability to catch and finish at the hoop and with the threat of the catch and shoot in the pick and pop.
Things change, personnel changes, so it's all fluid.
Ben Gold is doing a bunch of the last part of my "description" of the ideal 5, without the actual pop part in the pick and pop.
He's not doing the other parts.
His passing needs to be better, his dribbling better, his ability to read the defense and get others involved needs to be better.
He's trying, and he shows flashes, but Marquette needs to concentrate on him doing the part other than the shooting in order to make him an effective 5 in this offense, imo
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 11, 2024, 10:47:37 PMAny concerns about our rebounding or was it because of the trapping most of the game?
Not really. I've come to accept that Shaka's system doesn't emphasize rebounding.
The defense is good despite the rebounding weakness.
https://x.com/ldylion52/status/1856177229924864352
😂😂😂
So, where are all the "it's only one game Ben" types?
I hope he gets it together, because 19% against our three cupiest-cupcakes ain't gonna cut it.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 11, 2024, 11:08:45 PMKams passing has been fine.
It's not close to what TyKos passing was last season and the one before.
https://x.com/tylerkolekmuse/status/1856097913786540519?s=46&t=35915BXcxT6KZA0zxJYvMw
I'd be shocked if the quality of looks is as good this season but I obviously can't quantify that, cue the stat nerds...
Wait until we actually play a normal team. These are 300 KenPom squads.
I mean it's no slight to Kam, Tyler was the best passer this university has ever seent.
Agreed.
But that's not the reason Jop's missing shots. Multiple times he has missed wide open with a perfect pass. As wades said, it's college basketball.
Shaka said in his presser that the players make those shots in practice, that they trust them and want them to take them. Unhappy with Joplin, the rebounding, and the commitment to doing the things that beat the zone.
IMO, the zone made MU stand still and hold the ball, which is never good.
What happened to our pick and roll game?? I hope it shows up vs Big Ten...
Quote from: 1SE on November 12, 2024, 01:14:10 AMSo, where are all the "it's only one game Ben" types?
I hope he gets it together, because 19% against our three cupiest-cupcakes ain't gonna cut it.
Gold has been downgraded to Bronze
Quote from: 1SE on November 12, 2024, 01:14:10 AMSo, where are all the "it's only one game Ben" types?
I hope he gets it together, because 19% against our three cupiest-cupcakes ain't gonna cut it.
He made shots against good teams a bunch of times last season.
Based on his track record, there's no reason to think improvement isn't coming.
Was hoping for more consistency so that's a fair concern.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 11, 2024, 10:28:24 PMCMU gave up 73 points to Stony Brook. I credit their defense for tonight's result much less than MU's bad offense.
It's early (duh) but Shaka may come to regret his decision not to go get some size in the portal.
Shaka will never regret that decision. It is his MO
Quote from: milwaukee expat on November 12, 2024, 06:32:49 AMWhat happened to our pick and roll game?? I hope it shows up vs Big Ten...
Shaka can't beat the Big Ten teams
Quote from: milwaukee expat on November 12, 2024, 06:32:49 AMWhat happened to our pick and roll game?? I hope it shows up vs Big Ten...
I think they intentionally moved away from that since it wasn't really seen as a stength of Kam's.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 11, 2024, 10:22:44 PM3-21 from Jop and Ben isn't going to cut it Tower. They can't just be spot shooters from distance. Defensively we can't expect to turn teams over like we did tonight either. I was extremely disappointed with how we attacked the zone. Whatever happened to patience and execution?
I was having Butler flashbacks with the bricks we were throwing up from the perimeter. We're not going to win games with 65% of our shots being from beyond the arc. But, a close game early on is good to have with the schedule getting tougher.
Quote from: Pakuni on November 11, 2024, 10:28:24 PMCMU gave up 73 points to Stony Brook. I credit their defense for tonight's result much less than MU's bad offense.
It's early (duh) but Shaka may come to regret his decision not to go get some size in the portal.
I doubt he regrets anything with regards to transfers.
MU is 3-0.
MU will continue to shoot open 3s.
MU needs to get better attacking the zone. I would rather see Chase or Stevie flashing to the foul line, allowing Kam to get to an open area.
A zone wins when the offense stands still.
You don't want Gold/Joplin to shoot 3s, you don't want them to dribble, and you know MU doesn't run post ups. Ummmm..... bring back Markus-ball?
The long term success of this team will be determined by bench production.
We're not going to turn into a mid-range shooting team.
Last night I thought a lot of our drives were poor. We were either out of control, praying for a whistle, and getting blocked, or to timid thinking we were going to get blocked and just stopped before we kicked it out, allowing the defense to reset.
If we're not shooting mid-range and our drives aren't working, threes are the only thing left. I can't remember a single "bad" three that we took, they were all either open or wide open, we just need to get back to hitting them at a higher clip.
Quote from: milwaukee expat on November 12, 2024, 06:32:49 AMWhat happened to our pick and roll game??
It moved to the NBA.
Quote from: milwaukee expat on November 12, 2024, 06:32:49 AMWhat happened to our pick and roll game?? I hope it shows up vs Big Ten...
This year will be pick and pop.
Quote from: Its DJOver on November 12, 2024, 08:01:51 AMWe're not going to turn into a mid-range shooting team.
Last night I thought a lot of our drives were poor. We were either out of control, praying for a whistle, and getting blocked, or to timid thinking we were going to get blocked and just stopped before we kicked it out, allowing the defense to reset.
If we're not shooting mid-range and our drives aren't working, threes are the only thing left. I can't remember a single "bad" three that we took, they were all either open or wide open, we just need to get back to hitting them at a higher clip.
Yep. Literally just this. We are getting the looks, and if the ball falls at a normal rate last night Marquette wins by 15+ and no one is worried.
The George Mason game was closer than the score indicated and the Central Michigan game was closer than we would have liked. The one bright spot of yesterday's game was the play of Parham. I think will know what kind of team we have after the next 3 games.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 11, 2024, 11:08:45 PMI mean it's no slight to Kam, Tyler was the best passer this university has ever seent.
Tony Miller would like a word...
Let's maintain perspective here.
WE WON! Good teams find ways to win when everything isn't going as planned or hoped. We won last night with two of our shooters that were colder than a starving polar bear. We won last night because we did what most great Marquette teams did -- played defense.
Move on. I'm sure Shaka will make adjustments as necessary to keep us going strong!
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 12, 2024, 08:22:17 AMTony Miller would like a word...
Having watched Tony play his entire career, he was very good, but did not run as dynamic an offense as Tyler did.
Quote from: tower912 on November 12, 2024, 08:10:28 AMThis year will be pick and pop.
Just as long as it is not pick and poop, like last night.
The deer-in-the-headlights look when they faced the zone is what bothered me the most among the problems last night.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 11, 2024, 10:22:44 PM3-21 from Jop and Ben isn't going to cut it Tower. They can't just be spot shooters from distance. Defensively we can't expect to turn teams over like we did tonight either. I was extremely disappointed with how we attacked the zone. Whatever happened to patience and execution?
Joplin with the 0-fer from the floor. In 32 minutes, Joplin had 3 rebounds. Lowery had that in 17 minutes. Parham matched Gold's rebound total while playing only 13 minutes. Joplin did have three steals. Guys have off games and Joplin and Gold certainly did last night.
I know its one game, but against decent teams, (like the 3 game stretch coming) we cannot get zero production from 4 guys. Zaide, Tre, BG and Jop did nothing on offensive end. Good teams will take away Kam and say "let your other 7-8 guys beat us".
Quote from: dgies9156 on November 12, 2024, 08:25:47 AMLet's maintain perspective here.
WE WON! Good teams find ways to win when everything isn't going as planned or hoped. We won last night with two of our shooters that were colder than a starving polar bear. We won last night because we did what most great Marquette teams did -- played defense.
Move on. I'm sure Shaka will make adjustments as necessary to keep us going strong!
I hear what you're saying brother dgies but we have to get more production from Ben. My take is we need to make a concerted effort to get him a bucket closer to the rim. There's also no rule that I know of which states if you can get a shot off from behind the 3 point line, shoot it immediately within .5 secs. We simply must exercise more patience.
There are rhythm triples and launch triples. I get we missed many that were wide open on the pick and pop, but the quick launch gets us into trouble at times. The best play of the game was the pocket dime from Kam to Caedin. As for the polar bear analogy? I will give you a pass. Tremendous animals with insane strength and power.
I think Shaka seemed fine with the shot selection though.
Honestly, Jop's 0-10 3fg was the only reason last night's game was close.
Rest of the team shot 10-26 (38.5%) on threes. That's an acceptable result. Needed Jop to just hit 2 or 3 and the team shooting would have been fine.
10-19 (52.6%) on 2 fg. That's not great by MU's standards but it's respectable enough.
MU shot 25 FT and forced 24 TOs, both excellent numbers. Making 20 out of 25 FT was very efficient offense. And the TOs offset the defensive rebounding issues (38% O-reb rate for CMU).
Overall, MU checked a lot of boxes for a 15-25 point win. Jop's shooting was the variable that kept the final score much closer.
Zaide has been really good defensively, but man, that set shot is broke.
Team wide issue. Too many have totally inconsistent releases on their shots. Ben pains me to watch. He leans back and pushes a line drive at the hoop. He may make them in practice, but I think he tops out at a 30-35% 3 point shooter.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 12, 2024, 09:14:16 AMZaide has been really good defensively, but man, that set shot is broke.
Team wide issue. Too many have totally inconsistent releases on their shots. Ben pains me to watch. He leans back and pushes a line drive at the hoop. He may make them in practice, but I think he tops out at a 30-35% 3 point shooter.
Ben shot 2/9 from 3 yesterday and increased his season three point percentage by nearly 3%. Yikes.
From my vantage point, it looked like some of the guys were specifically looking to feed BG to get him 3 pt shots. Kam especially kept looking his way when setting up plays. I don't think that's the normal offense, I think he was trying to get BG going. Thus, I'm not AS worried about "big" games since this isn't quite the offense we'll see for those.
https://youtu.be/B_xUsPLOMFo?si=25pRklcrt9AHsgVS
Shaka postgame. Mentioned Stevie has been battling a lingering injury.
Also a major cliff hanger by the media team. Shaka was asked about Damarius at the end of the video and he said he has a few more boxes to check with the trainers but they are hopefully that can happen in the next few days, and if it does he will be able to pl.........
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 12, 2024, 09:53:04 AMhttps://youtu.be/B_xUsPLOMFo?si=25pRklcrt9AHsgVS
Shaka postgame. Mentioned Stevie has been battling a lingering injury.
Also a major cliff hanger by the media team. Shaka was asked about Damarius at the end of the video, and he said he has a few more boxes to check with the trainers. Also added that they are hopeful that can happen in the next few days, and if it does he will be able to pl.........
Didn't specify Stevie's injury other than it is lingering.
Damarius was dunking the ball pregame in the layup line. I sure hope he is back soon.
Quote from: UWW2MU on November 12, 2024, 09:26:18 AMFrom my vantage point, it looked like some of the guys were specifically looking to feed BG to get him 3 pt shots. Kam especially kept looking his way when setting up plays. I don't think that's the normal offense, I think he was trying to get BG going. Thus, I'm not AS worried about "big" games since this isn't quite the offense we'll see for those.
I get it that Shaka wants Ben outside to open the lane for slashing & cutting, but at some point scouting reports will say clog the lane and let BG launch away. Teams such as WI will play man, so though Ben won't get shots, they also won't zone it and fall back. Maybe BG can drive it a time or two. But, BG needs to hit some, obviously. Jop? 0-11 last night might be 10/11 on Friday.
Quote from: DoctorV on November 11, 2024, 11:08:45 PMKams passing has been fine.
It's not close to what TyKos passing was last season and the one before.
https://x.com/tylerkolekmuse/status/1856097913786540519?s=46&t=35915BXcxT6KZA0zxJYvMw
I'd be shocked if the quality of looks is as good this season but I obviously can't quantify that, cue the stat nerds...
Wait until we actually play a normal team. These are 300 KenPom squads.
I mean it's no slight to Kam, Tyler was the best passer this university has ever seent.
Now that...is likely an understatement. With all due respect to Sam Worthen and Tony Miller
I can't believe we don't have an inside presence because Shaka wants to be a "family". Total Dabo move. Where did the self-imposed "no transfers" concept come from anyways? It's very recent. Shaka's best player here, TKO, was a transfer.
If you don't think the team could use another big body down low, you are blinded by blue & gold glasses. Frankly, the "family" would be a lot happier and stronger with one "adoption" haha.
And no, I'm not just reacting to this game. We are going to get abused in the Big East inside. You really think this team can play inside night in and night out in our league?
Quote from: DienerTime34 on November 12, 2024, 10:14:45 AMI can't believe we don't have an inside presence because Shaka wants to be a "family". Total Dabo move. Where did the self-imposed "no transfers" concept come from anyways? It's very recent. Shaka's best player here, TKO, was a transfer.
If you don't think the team could use another big body down low, you are blinded by blue & gold glasses. Frankly, the "family" would be a lot happier and stronger with one "adoption" haha.
And no, I'm not just reacting to this game. We are going to get abused in the Big East inside. You really think this team can play inside night in and night out in our league?
Caedin Hamilton has played 3 college games. Relax.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on November 12, 2024, 10:14:45 AMWhere did the self-imposed "no transfers" concept come from anyways? It's very recent. Shaka's best player here, TKO, was a transfer.
He's accepted one scholarship transfer since his first year here where he had to fill out a roster. He would clearly rather recruit and develop his guys.
That game was pretty ugly. Played well for about 5 minutes of game time.
This is art
They handled George Mason on the interior just fine, and their bigs were better than CMU.
It was honestly just a crap effort last night.
Quote from: tower912 on November 12, 2024, 08:10:28 AMThis year will be pick and pop.
I think our PnR game has potential.
That first half Kam bounce pass to Parham in the lane and #13 going up with a quick leaning floater... that looked eerily familiar for some reason.
Shaka Sweeney some are saying
Quote from: DoctorV on November 11, 2024, 11:27:56 PMThe 5 in the Nevada/Shaka offense is "meant" to be a ball handling 5 that can stretch the floor, catch and read, pass effectively and survey the entire floor to help run the HC offense, with the ability to catch and finish at the hoop and with the threat of the catch and shoot in the pick and pop.
Things change, personnel changes, so it's all fluid.
As you said, things change, personnel change, it's all fluid. I don't think there is a particular Shaka offense. I think what you've seen from Shaka's offense at MU is just a product of having a 5 that plays the way you described. He'll change it up to match the skills of the players.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 12, 2024, 08:59:33 AMI hear what you're saying brother dgies but we have to get more production from Ben. My take is we need to make a concerted effort to get him a bucket closer to the rim. There's also no rule that I know of which states if you can get a shot off from behind the 3 point line, shoot it immediately within .5 secs. We simply must exercise more patience.
There are rhythm triples and launch triples. I get we missed many that were wide open on the pick and pop, but the quick launch gets us into trouble at times. The best play of the game was the pocket dime from Kam to Caedin. As for the polar bear analogy? I will give you a pass. Tremendous animals with insane strength and power.
Well you're going to have to go sit with Shaka and Nevada to make your point, because they want Kam, Gold, Jop and now it seems, Ross and Stewie to shoot the 3 as soon as they're open. They want lots of possessions... Polar Bears go after people, very mean animals.
Thus team needs lots of work and help. What will they do when they play quality teams that can shutdown Kam. Chase and Mitchell look solid, but there is no help from the bench, except maybe Parham. And how about putting their centers ass down low instead of him jacking up clothesline 3s? Might that be something? Maybe or maybe not. May not be his game. And Jolpin? So inconsistent and then they think he can dribbledrive to the basket, which many times ends up in a turnover. We have played 3 cupcakes and a bunch of people think we are the real deal. Right now we are a 7th or 8th place BEast team.
Hop Shaka Kahn has some solutions.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 12, 2024, 02:21:38 PMThus team needs lots of work and help. What will they do when they play quality teams that can shutdown Kam. Chase and Mitchell look solid, but there is no help from the bench, except maybe Parham. And how about putting their centers ass down low instead of him jacking up clothesline 3s? Might that be something? Maybe or maybe not. May not be his game. And Jolpin? So inconsistent and then they think he can dribbledrive to the basket, which many times ends up in a turnover. We have played 3 cupcakes and a bunch of people think we are the real deal. Right now we are a 7th or 8th place BEast team.
Hop Shaka Kahn has some solutions.
Ok ... all doom and gloom ... 3 games into the new season with 2 new starters and Kam in a new role. And we're 3-0, ranked 15th in the country.Think we should maybe give it a few more games. My keys to improving are getting Owens and Sean healthy enough to contribute and seeing Hamilton and Parham get more comfortable.
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 12, 2024, 10:19:20 AMCaedin Hamilton has played 3 college games. Relax.
38 minutes. One defensive rebound.
There's ur big
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 12, 2024, 02:52:55 PM38 minutes. One defensive rebound.
There's ur big
That's nothing new. A product of the way they defend. They will never have an elite rebounder numbers wise in this system...doesn't mean the players they have aren't good rebounders.
Caedin uses his body well. He will get better in time.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 12, 2024, 02:52:55 PM38 minutes. One defensive rebound.
There's ur big
Stop worrying. That's just because the other team doesn't miss shots when he's on the floor.
Quote from: Jay Bee on November 12, 2024, 02:52:55 PM38 minutes. One defensive rebound.
There's ur big
Oso played 2910 minutes at Marquette and had just 375 defensive rebounds.
These last two games have alarm bells ringing for me. We have been outplayed by 2 mid majors for the majority of those games. We had 3 quick great runs totaling what 15 minutes? We are not going to get those silly turnovers from better teams even with an improved defense.
This team is a significant notch lower in talent than the last 2 years. To be successful this year, we need at least 2 other players not named Ross or Kam, to step up and be consistent and productive from 3-point land. Otherwise, teams will double up on Kam, sag defensively and eliminate our driving lanes. Hoping for the best and a healthy year but this is looking like a double-digit loss team.
Quote from: CountryRoads on November 11, 2024, 10:21:52 PMCongrats to the 2024 Marquette Challenge Champions!
Excited for the banner unveiling before the Purdue game.
Quote from: Big Papi on November 12, 2024, 03:18:35 PMThese last two games have alarm bells ringing for me. We have been outplayed by 2 mid majors for the majority of those games. We had 3 quick great runs totaling what 15 minutes? We are not going to get those silly turnovers from better teams even with an improved defense.
This team is a significant notch lower in talent than the last 2 years. To be successful this year, we need at least 2 other players not named Ross or Kam, to step up and be consistent and productive from 3-point land. Otherwise, teams will double up on Kam, sag defensively and eliminate our driving lanes. Hoping for the best and a healthy year but this is looking like a double-digit loss team.
This is where I'm at. This team is going to lose a lot of games unless Joplin can turn into something he hasn't been for 3+ years and Gold can turn into something he hasn't been for 2+ years. And the sophomore class looks like a big whiff. Hoping for the best this Friday...will be in attendance with many of my UMD grad neighbors.
Every single poster panicking about this team is a joke. Your anxiety says a lot more about you as individuals than it does about this team.
Teams play down to their opponents. I'm not concerned.
I also haven't learned much about this team other than they seem young and disorganized when Kam isn't out there. They also seem resilient, and willing to shoot themselves out of a slump even if it takes 3+ games to do it. It's a tongue-in-cheek comment, but also not every MUBB player has been willing to play that way. I've not seen sulking from this group, and I'm really happy about it.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on November 12, 2024, 03:45:26 PMEvery single poster panicking about this team is a joke. Your anxiety says a lot more about you as individuals than it does about this team.
My theory of "fans are largely idiots" is proven science
Quote from: Big Papi on November 12, 2024, 03:18:35 PMThese last two games have alarm bells ringing for me. We have been outplayed by 2 mid majors for the majority of those games. We had 3 quick great runs totaling what 15 minutes? We are not going to get those silly turnovers from better teams even with an improved defense.
This team is a significant notch lower in talent than the last 2 years. To be successful this year, we need at least 2 other players not named Ross or Kam, to step up and be consistent and productive from 3-point land. Otherwise, teams will double up on Kam, sag defensively and eliminate our driving lanes. Hoping for the best and a healthy year but this is looking like a double-digit loss team.
Do I think we'll be a two seed? No. But this team is just going to win differently. We're getting to the line more. The rebounding, if it holds, ranks about 150 spots higher than last years. Same with the FT Rate.
We'll probably have to grind out more games and when we do blow teams out it'll be with our defense instead of our offense.
Team +/- in the three games:
Stony Brook 12.2
Mason 4.8
CMU 9.4
You can argue on how/ why it happened, but Marquette was clearly the better team in all 3 games and it isn't close.
Most years, the early part of the season is choppy and uneven. We were spoiled last year to have a quality team with already established roles.
This year, players are learning new roles. Kam learning to be the primary facilitator, Chase & Stevie needing to provide more offense, much bigger roles for Jop & Gold, and a young bench trying to find itself. Plus, new players taking on the leadership roles that Oso and Kolek had last year.
There have been some growing pains, like most years. That said, here's what I'd like to see:
1. Gold rolling to the basket more and not exclusively drifting to the 3 point line. Need to get some easy buckets or get to the FT line.
2. Feed Jop in the lane for a couple 10 footers early. Get him warmed up a little before launching threes.
3. Get Owens back and acclimated. When one of the starters is off or in foul trouble, we need Owens to fill the gap.
4. Parham building off of last night. Hope he's healthy because he was starting to find his spots last night.
5. Zaide and Tre need to become threats on offense. Need to attack, at least a little.
6. Get Sean healthy to allow Kam to play more SG.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 12, 2024, 04:48:06 PMMost years, the early part of the season is choppy and uneven. We were spoiled last year to have a quality team with already established roles.
This year, players are learning new roles. Kam learning to be the primary facilitator, Chase & Stevie needing to provide more offense, much bigger roles for Jop & Gold, and a young bench trying to find itself. Plus, new players taking on the leadership roles that Oso and Kolek had last year.
There have been some growing pains, like most years. That said, here's what I'd like to see:
1. Gold rolling to the basket more and not exclusively drifting to the 3 point line. Need to get some easy buckets or get to the FT line.
2. Feed Jop in the lane for a couple 10 footers early. Get him warmed up a little before launching threes.
3. Get Owens back and acclimated. When one of the starters is off or in foul trouble, we need Owens to fill the gap.
4. Parham building off of last night. Hope he's healthy because he was starting to find his spots last night.
5. Zaide and Tre need to become threats on offense. Need to attack, at least a little.
6. Get Sean healthy to allow Kam to play more SG.
Nice post Juan. I especially like #1. Ben's dunk was beautiful and had he not been fouled on the 2nd drive, I think he would have dunked again. Parham looked good and shows promise.
I'm hoping the team proves itself in Maryland. Williard has coached against some of our starters and has the home court advantage. I will be at the game.
Quote from: TFlegend on November 12, 2024, 03:34:54 PMThis is where I'm at. This team is going to lose a lot of games unless Joplin can turn into something he hasn't been for 3+ years and Gold can turn into something he hasn't been for 2+ years. And the sophomore class looks like a big whiff. Hoping for the best this Friday...will be in attendance with many of my UMD grad neighbors.
David Joplin was a part of an All Big East Tournament Team that helped Marquette win the Big East Tournament.
He also just had a game of 27 points and 10 rebounds. Good grief. Relax.
Quote from: willie warrior on November 12, 2024, 02:21:38 PMThus team needs lots of work and help. What will they do when they play quality teams that can shutdown Kam. Chase and Mitchell look solid, but there is no help from the bench, except maybe Parham. And how about putting their centers ass down low instead of him jacking up clothesline 3s? Might that be something? Maybe or maybe not. May not be his game. And Jolpin? So inconsistent and then they think he can dribbledrive to the basket, which many times ends up in a turnover. We have played 3 cupcakes and a bunch of people think we are the real deal. Right now we are a 7th or 8th place BEast team.
Hop Shaka Kahn has some solutions.
Hop Shaka Kahn, we got the nickname!
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 12, 2024, 06:38:53 PMHop Shaka Kahn, we got the nickname!
I don't like it. Very uncreative. I expect more out of the Dung Master
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 12, 2024, 05:13:07 PMDavid Joplin was a part of an All Big East Tournament Team that helped Marquette win the Big East Tournament.
He also just had a game of 27 points and 10 rebounds. Good grief. Relax.
David Joplin has been an inconsistent and streaky shooter since he has been here. This is just who he is. People shouldn't expect consistency from someone who hasn't been consistent for 3+ years now.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on November 12, 2024, 10:14:45 AMAnd no, I'm not just reacting to this game. We are going to get abused in the Big East inside. You really think this team can play inside night in and night out in our league?
Having watched the rest of the Big East, yes, I do believe that. The next week with Queen, Reese, TKR, & Newell? We'll see. But Big East play? Absolutely.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 13, 2024, 08:01:46 AMDavid Joplin has been an inconsistent and streaky shooter since he has been here. This is just who he is. People shouldn't expect consistency from someone who hasn't been consistent for 3+ years now.
The best predictor for future behavior is past behavior.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 13, 2024, 08:01:46 AMDavid Joplin has been an inconsistent and streaky shooter since he has been here. This is just who he is. People shouldn't expect consistency from someone who hasn't been consistent for 3+ years now.
Agreed. This is where Owens can play a big role for this team. Joplin vs CMU, Owens hopefully would have negated some of that playing time. Joplin against GM, Owens probably gets less time unless he is taking it from others. Will be nice to have Owens back if he is truly as advertised.
I know, I know can't rely on a freshman but if he shows as much promise as I see from Parnham, I am.
Caeden has definitely looked lost on the defensive and offensive end. There was a point during the "walk" (get it, not a run?) where he didn't know where he should be setting screens and Jop had to push him into a few.
Hopefully something that gets worked on this week.
Quote from: JakeBarnes on November 13, 2024, 10:12:34 AMCaeden has definitely looked lost on the defensive and offensive end. There was a point during the "walk" (get it, not a run?) where he didn't know where he should be setting screens and Jop had to push him into a few.
Hopefully something that gets worked on this week.
Game speed is a different creature than practice. Live reps the only way to get better
I'm certainly more willing to ride the ups and downs with Caedin and the freshmen. That stuff is gonna happen.
The sophomores showing very little is a way more concerning.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on November 13, 2024, 10:14:03 AMGame speed is a different creature than practice. Live reps the only way to get better
Most definitely. I have faith that the team will continue to grow both as a unit and individually as players. It's becoming the exception to see a player NOT develop under Shaka thus far.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on November 12, 2024, 10:14:45 AMI can't believe we don't have an inside presence because Shaka wants to be a "family". Total Dabo move. Where did the self-imposed "no transfers" concept come from anyways? It's very recent. Shaka's best player here, TKO, was a transfer.
If you don't think the team could use another big body down low, you are blinded by blue & gold glasses. Frankly, the "family" would be a lot happier and stronger with one "adoption" haha.
And no, I'm not just reacting to this game. We are going to get abused in the Big East inside. You really think this team can play inside night in and night out in our league?
I'm not sure you've watched much Big East basketball this season.
I have mixed feelings on the first three games and definitely not ready to make any judgements. I have seen very little live action and cannot form any type of eye test judgement. That said, hopefully the next few games gives us a better idea of what to expect this season.
I had finishing in the top four of the BE and will stick with that for now. Fingers crossed that Owens is as good as advertised and is on the court quickly. If Sean comes back this year it definitely will be a big help.
Quote from: DienerTime34 on November 12, 2024, 10:14:45 AMI can't believe we don't have an inside presence because Shaka wants to be a "family". Total Dabo move. Where did the self-imposed "no transfers" concept come from anyways? It's very recent. Shaka's best player here, TKO, was a transfer.
If you don't think the team could use another big body down low, you are blinded by blue & gold glasses. Frankly, the "family" would be a lot happier and stronger with one "adoption" haha.
And no, I'm not just reacting to this game. We are going to get abused in the Big East inside. You really think this team can play inside night in and night out in our league?
It's not that Shaka isn't pursuing transfers. But, he's said he will not take guys who demand guaranteed NIL money to just come to MU. Shaka values culture and guys coming to MU and earning their dollars here. A lot of bigs were demanding seven figures to transfer and Shaka isn't going to give that.
FYI, Kolek (and O-Max) came to MU before NIL was implemented and collectives were a thing.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2024, 12:16:54 PMIt's not that Shaka isn't pursuing transfers. But, he's said he will not take guys who demand guaranteed NIL money to just come to MU. Shaka values culture and guys coming to MU and earning their dollars here. A lot of bigs were demanding seven figures to transfer and Shaka isn't going to give that.
FYI, Kolek (and O-Max) came to MU before NIL was implemented and collectives were a thing.
+1
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 13, 2024, 10:17:57 AMI'm certainly more willing to ride the ups and downs with Caedin and the freshmen. That stuff is gonna happen.
The sophomores showing very little is a way more concerning.
I keep thinking Lowry will have a bust out game that takes him to big things. Norman? Not sure. Looked good at CU last year, but more often than not the game seems too fast for him. Regardless, keep sending him out there!
Norman played 10 minutes and went 0-4 at Creighton. The only thing he could get in the basket was his vomit.
Quote from: tower912 on November 13, 2024, 02:20:05 PMNorman played 10 minutes and went 0-4 at Creighton. The only thing he could get in the basket was his vomit.
Vipe must've been too distracted by his non stop crap talking RED friends/in laws to remember that Creighton game.
Zaide played well at Creighton.
Quote from: tower912 on November 13, 2024, 02:36:29 PMZaide played well at Creighton.
Zaide and Norman are easily mistakable interchangeable names if you are borderline illiterate, to be fair.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on November 13, 2024, 12:16:54 PMKolek (and O-Max) came to MU before NIL was implemented and collectives were a thing.
Yep. And Shaka had to build a roster - and start building a culture. In Kolek and OMax, he chose two transfers who would play multiple seasons at Marquette and help build that culture. When he also was able to successfully re-recruit Oso, Kam and Stevie, the path became clearer.
Comparing those transfers - and even Morsell and Kur - to the million-dollar transfers out there now is just silly.
Doesn't mean Shaka should avoid considering all transfers ... and there's no evidence he has.
Disappointed with what Tre has shown so far - plus he seems to have a propensity to foul that will limit his time on the floor.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 11, 2024, 11:18:53 PMOnce George Mason plays Central Michigan on Wed... Well ... Maybe we'll see if they can live up to their "80'. Though to be fair, thus far the only thing I can say about central Michigan is they they keep games close!
Bump.
Zero concerns about the three-point shooting. We got open looks, Ben and Joplin didn't hit them. We have two years of data on Ben and three on Joplin. We know they can hit open looks, they didn't suddenly forget. Both are known to be streaky.
I do have some concerns that we only managed 19 2P attempts against this level of defense. It was a basic 2-3 zone against a low major, we should have gotten a lot more looks at the rim. I think coach will fix that.
Weird game. Lots of fouls. Stevie banged up, Tre banged up, Royce banged up halfway through, Owens and Sean out. Never got in a rhythm offensively. Defense was elite.
People seemed to not realize that Tre missed several weeks right before the season started. He's still wearing a brace on his shoulder. It's going to take him time to work back. I am very excited about Owens, hopefully the toe doesn't limit him too much. Zaide's defense is Big East ready...I wish his offense had shown some more improvement. Royce has been better than I thought he would be.
Quote from: MU82 on November 13, 2024, 04:27:11 PMDoesn't mean Shaka should avoid considering all transfers ... and there's no evidence he has.
Well, there is
some evidence -- the fact that he hasn't signed any -- but it's far from conclusive evidence. I trust that Shaka will consider transfers if appropriate. He's clearly demonstrated his preference to avoid the portal but I have little doubt he'll do what's necessary if he somehow ends up with a roster hole that he believes needs to be filled.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on November 14, 2024, 08:32:32 AMWell, there is some evidence -- the fact that he hasn't signed any -- but it's far from conclusive evidence. I trust that Shaka will consider transfers if appropriate. He's clearly demonstrated his preference to avoid the portal but I have little doubt he'll do what's necessary if he somehow ends up with a roster hole that he believes needs to be filled.
Shaka pursued players in the portal the last 2 summers. Not signing players does not equal not considering players.
Quote from: Its DJOver on November 14, 2024, 08:34:22 AMShaka pursued players in the portal the last 2 summers. Not signing players does not equal not considering players.
I don't remember the publication (it may have been the Athletic but there have been a lot of positive articles about Shaka and the culture at MU in the last year) but there was an article where Shaka said they targeted four guys in the Portal and all demanded money to come. He told them they could earn it once they got to MU, like MU guys did and that was the end of the conversation.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 13, 2024, 10:01:17 PMZero concerns about the three-point shooting. We got open looks, Ben and Joplin didn't hit them. We have two years of data on Ben and three on Joplin. We know they can hit open looks, they didn't suddenly forget. Both are known to be streaky.
I do have some concerns that we only managed 19 2P attempts against this level of defense. It was a basic 2-3 zone against a low major, we should have gotten a lot more looks at the rim. I think coach will fix that.
Weird game. Lots of fouls. Stevie banged up, Tre banged up, Royce banged up halfway through, Owens and Sean out. Never got in a rhythm offensively. Defense was elite.
People seemed to not realize that Tre missed several weeks right before the season started. He's still wearing a brace on his shoulder. It's going to take him time to work back. I am very excited about Owens, hopefully the toe doesn't limit him too much. Zaide's defense is Big East ready...I wish his offense had shown some more improvement. Royce has been better than I thought he would be.
I agree with all of this analysis. Would be great if Jop and Gold could iron out their streakiness to be more reliably consistent. I believe they are both good shooters who for whatever reason are streaky. I also feel Zaide is a better shooter than he's shown thus far this year - been surprised he's long balled a few 3's (air balls on the long side), but suspect that's just early season adrenaline.
Quote from: Elonsmusk on November 14, 2024, 08:46:31 AMI agree with all of this analysis. Would be great if Jop and Gold could iron out their streakiness to be more reliably consistent. I believe they are both good shooters who for whatever reason are streaky. I also feel Zaide is a better shooter than he's shown thus far this year - been surprised he's long balled a few 3's (air balls on the long side), but suspect that's just early season adrenaline.
Joplin and, to a lesser extent, Gold, have shown an ability to get on long streaks of good shooting. Each has been used primarily as an outside scoring threat, and each has come through (and each also has struggled at times). Lowery has not yet had the opportunity to show it, so for now it's just a matter of hoping he's a better shooter than he's been so far this season.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on November 11, 2024, 11:18:53 PMOnce George Mason plays Central Michigan on Wed... Well ... Maybe we'll see if they can live up to their "80'. Though to be fair, thus far the only thing I can say about central Michigan is they they keep games close!
70 Kenpom. 21-5. 12-1 in the A10.
Admit defeat, sir.
Quote from: BM1090 on February 17, 2025, 12:11:27 AM70 Kenpom. 21-5. 12-1 in the A10.
Admit defeat, sir.
Ok. Defeat.