1. Or jarring. The jokes write themselves
2. We (fans) do this every year. The offense sucks, yadayadayada. The offense is generating the looks Shaka and Nevada want. Players gotta make open looks. When they do,MU looks good. When they don't, MU looks bad.
3. GMU is a decent team.
4. Kam is good.
5. Since I only saw the second half, I liked Ben's defense and his quick jump hook. The coaches want him to shoot open 3s. How crazy it drives you is irrelevant to them.
6. Stevie was invisible in the second half.
7. Caedin had moments. And then freshmen moments. To be expected.
8. Shaka needs to do better getting Kam rest.
9. Supposed to be a 10-ish point W. Huh. It just took a bit to get there. 21-4 to finish.
10. The threes fell late. They will start falling consistently.
11. Next.
Ben was done dirty. Kam squaring off was a little scary. Save that left hand.
Praying to God that final 6 minutes gets Ben going.
As you said, he's gotta shoot those open 3s. They are wide open. But man the shot has been bad so far.
Won and covered. Not the prettiest path, but got it done and then some.
The A-10 should be handing Newton a minimum 1 game suspension. There was definitely intent to injure on that foul at the end. Speaking of which... Why didn't Shaka take the starters off the floor when the game was in hand, especially after that foul?
Quote from: IL Warrior on November 08, 2024, 10:19:32 PMWon and covered. Not the prettiest path, but got it done and then some.
The A-10 should be handing Newton a minimum 1 game suspension. There was definitely intent to injure on that foul at the end. Speaking of which... Why didn't Shaka take the starters off the floor when the game was in hand, especially after that foul?
Kam came out.
Shaka seemed displeased with Kam in the post game interview.
Won and covered alt spreads.
Quote from: tower912 on November 08, 2024, 10:20:20 PMKam came out.
I saw that. I'd rather not lose Chase or Stevie to injury up by 20 with 30 seconds left though either...
Quote from: IL Warrior on November 08, 2024, 10:21:33 PMI saw that. I'd rather not lose Chase or Stevie to injury up by 20 with 30 seconds left though either...
He pulled Kam and Chase for after they nearly helped newton start a brawl
Re #4 - missing a couple of very, very's
Re #6 - just the second half?
Can't believe Newton wanted to put 'em up with Chase. Insane.
I expect Stevie and Chase to play much better moving forward. Assuming Stevie is okay.
Quirky stat of the night:
Marquette started the game and ended the game on a pair of 16-2 runs. Roughly 4.5 minutes each.
The other ~31 minutes, George Mason outscored us 59-50.
One other thought: need Damarius Owens and Sean Jones back ASAP. The bench needs some reinforcements.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2024, 10:30:10 PMI expect Stevie and Chase to play much better moving forward. Assuming Stevie is okay.
Stevie seemed sick or something. Definitely not his usual self tonight from an energy standpoint.
Solid points tower.
#8 is spot on. Kam needs all the minutes, maybe even more than TyKo needed them, but Shaka has to find the kid rest.
#5 I will add to. Ben's shot looked a bit better to me tonight. It didn't go in as much as it will, but still looked closer on most shots than the last game so there's that. Caedin and even Royce going to be sufficient fill ins, I Think...
#12- I've said this several times. Joplin is the biggest x-factor to this years team.
19&10 in the 2nd half tonight.
Good news is he looks MUCH better imo. He's lighter, quicker, more active on D and on the glass.
Need that, consistent, and this team can become dangerous
I hope Stevie is ok. He pulled up limping pretty early in the first half and immediately pointed at the bench to get subbed out. He obviously came back which is a good sign but I hope its nothing that will affect him long term. It clearly slowed him down a bit tonight after it happened.
I am encouraged by Hamilton. They are running action to get him the ball at the top of the key. Looking forward to see what eventually comes from that.
Ross and Lowery had some great defensive possessions in the second half. Gold also was solid defensively. Hamilton might end up being one of the best passing bigs MU has had. Joplin looks to be in the best shape of his career. Kam is really good—-to state the obvious.
Quote from: Juan Anderson's Mixtape on November 08, 2024, 10:31:37 PMQuirky stat of the night:
Marquette started the game and ended the game on a pair of 16-2 runs. Roughly 4.5 minutes each.
The other ~31 minutes, George Mason outscored us 59-50.
One other thought: need Damarius Owens and Sean Jones back ASAP. The bench needs some reinforcements.
Wouldn't count on Jones, but I'm wasted, so who knows
Never a doubt.
I'm of the opinion that Ben is capable of scoring and creating closer to the rim in tbe h-c. I get he's a stretch 5, but I'd like to see him get more touches in the paint.
Quote from: MuggsyB on November 08, 2024, 10:44:19 PMI'm of the opinion that Ben is capable of scoring and creating closer to the rim in tbe h-c. I get he's a stretch 5, but I'd like to see him get more touches in the paint.
Shaka about to run him off team, sad.
I understand random peacock announcers definitely are not watching MU much.
But I continue to love outsiders who use Kams lack of getting to the line as something for him to improve.
Just isn't ever going to happen. He's as dominate as he is at the rim because he doesn't draw contact often.
Now, him making his free throws at a 80% clip. That I would like to see.
Pretty impressed with Gold's play after he returned to the game with about 6 minutes left. A couple of blocks, several good defensive plays, the short bank at the shot clock, and a 3 to cap it.
He had really been struggling but he kept working on D, and the rest of it took care of itself.
Also liked what Hamilton gave us.
2. We (fans) do this every year. The offense sucks, yadayadayada. The offense is generating the looks Shaka and Nevada want. Players gotta make open looks. When they do,MU looks good. When they don't, MU looks bad and scouted.
I feel the team learned a lot about themselves tonight. It's good they met some adversity before Maryland. Loved that Ben responded in the second half. Really like that we have a bruiser in Caedin as well. It will be fun to watch his development. Seniors did senior things tonight. The rest will get in the flow. Just keep shooting.
Quote from: MU82 on November 08, 2024, 10:49:53 PMPretty impressed with Gold's play after he returned to the game with about 6 minutes left. A couple of blocks, several good defensive plays, the short bank at the shot clock, and a 3 to cap it.
He had really been struggling but he kept working on D, and the rest of it took care of itself.
Also liked what Hamilton gave us.
I'll give Ben credit. I'm willing to give up on him way earlier than he is willing to give up on himself
Quote from: MU82 on November 08, 2024, 10:49:53 PMPretty impressed with Gold's play after he returned to the game with about 6 minutes left. A couple of blocks, several good defensive plays, the short bank at the shot clock, and a 3 to cap it.
He had really been struggling but he kept working on D, and the rest of it took care of itself.
Also liked what Hamilton gave us.
No, hope brick transfers
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 08, 2024, 10:46:30 PMI understand random peacock announcers definitely are not watching MU much.
But I continue to love outsiders who use Kams lack of getting to the line as something for him to improve.
Just isn't ever going to happen. He's as dominate as he is at the rim because he doesn't draw contact often.
Now, him making his free throws at a 80% clip. That I would like to see.
They also seemed to think Sean is a superstar.
I mean, I want Sean back whenever he's ready for depth, defensive pressure and some ballhandling, but he's quite not Isiah or Iverson.
Its just two games out of about 35-40 games.
But Kam certainly has a sizeable lead on the two unanimous 1st team guards. Those boys getting to the line is the only thing keeping it from being a 2 game blood bath.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 08, 2024, 10:46:30 PMI understand random peacock announcers definitely are not watching MU much.
But I continue to love outsiders who use Kams lack of getting to the line as something for him to improve.
Just isn't ever going to happen. He's as dominate as he is at the rim because he doesn't draw contact often.
Now, him making his free throws at a 80% clip. That I would like to see.
*dominant
Sorry. I see this all the time and it's a massive pet peeve.
Weird, I always think it should be obstinant. But it isn't.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 08, 2024, 11:04:36 PM*dominant
Sorry. I see this all the time and it's a massive pet peeve.
lol that one was def an accident
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on November 08, 2024, 10:46:30 PMI understand random peacock announcers definitely are not watching MU much.
But I continue to love outsiders who use Kams lack of getting to the line as something for him to improve.
Just isn't ever going to happen. He's as dominate as he is at the rim because he doesn't draw contact often.
Now, him making his free throws at a 80% clip. That I would like to see.
Not sure who said it, but if it was Nick Bahe, he is a staple of the Big East. Not random.
I assume the game thread was full of measured takes tonight. Sorry I missed it.
-George Mason seems like a pretty solid team. Hope they have a nice season
-Kam is a stud. Not much more to stay there except he has to stay healthy.
-Liked Ben bouncing back. 4 blocks. Don't write him off - he'll come up huge in some games this season.
-Massive 2nd half from Jop. Need him to be really good this season.
-Chase with 11/5/4/5. Impressive line. Stay out of foul trouble and finish better.
-Weird and unproductive game for Stevie. Whether it was fouls and/or illness I don't expect that to be common
-I continued to assume Sean would redshirt this season. Now I think if he's ready come December or January he's going to play and we'll need him
-The late run is good for metrics even though it was much closer
-Maybe Shaka is mad at Kam but I LOVED him sticking up for Ben after that garbage foul. Same goes for Chase. That's culture.
Rose 4 more spots in Kenpom to 13(briefly dropped a spot to 17 cause UNC played KU tight)
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 08, 2024, 11:13:54 PMMaybe Shaka is mad at Kam but I LOVED him sticking up for Ben after that garbage foul. Same goes for Chase. That's culture.
Totally agree. If Kam (or Chase) had thrown a punch or something, I'd have been furious. But having a teammate's back? I loved it, too. Seems odd that Coach Culture didn't.
Quote from: MU82 on November 08, 2024, 11:20:15 PMTotally agree. If Kam (or Chase) had thrown a punch or something, I'd have been furious. But having a teammate's back? I loved it, too. Seems odd that Coach Culture didn't.
I haven't listened to the press conference but the only thing I can think of is he doesn't want Kam to remotely put himself in a position to get injured and/or suspended. But he stayed level headed as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather see that kind of response than no response.
Quote from: Vander Blue Man Group on November 08, 2024, 11:25:17 PMI haven't listened to the press conference but the only thing I can think of is he doesn't want Kam to remotely put himself in a position to get injured and/or suspended. But he stayed level headed as far as I'm concerned. I'd rather see that kind of response than no response.
Yeah I think it was just Shaka wanting to not condone it so that our clear best player and another of our most important players are conscious of their obvious importance going forward
Imo its one of those things Shaka publicly says he didn't like but deep down he's saying "my guys".
Even Kam in his postgame mentioned Shaka would not be happy with him. I think both people handled it perfectly.
Quote from: Newsdreams on November 08, 2024, 10:39:41 PMWouldn't count on Jones, but I'm wasted, so who knows
I know Sean's knee injury was very bad and he could miss the year.
But with two players already redshirting, I really hope we don't have a third.
If Sean can be 100% and cleared by mid-January, I think he plays.
How the heck was that not a flagrant foul? That was such a dirty play. They just didn't want to call it?
Quote from: GoldenEagles03 on November 09, 2024, 01:48:54 AMHow the heck was that not a flagrant foul? That was such a dirty play. They just didn't want to call it?
The foul occurred before the cheap shot. I think Maddox grabbed Ben. They called a dead ball technical on Newton. Kam was given one for squaring up so no additional free throws were awarded.
Quote from: MUfan12 on November 09, 2024, 07:03:09 AMThe foul occurred before the cheap shot. I think Maddox grabbed Ben. They called a dead ball technical on Newton. Kam was given one for squaring up so no additional free throws were awarded.
That is insane.
Same guy had the flagrant on Jop early. Should've been a Flagrant 2 and ejection.
They absolutely could and should have called a flagrant there.
It would have had nothing to do with the foul before the dirty play.
That douchenozzle is gonna seriously hurt somebody.
Honestly I think it was late in the game, with it well decided, and the coach pulled him off the floor. They decided to just call it a day and move on.
If they're gonna consistently play five out on offense, I'd like to see Ben take his man off the dribble every now and then - he showed last year that he can do it.
Quote from: MU82 on November 09, 2024, 09:30:01 AMThey absolutely could and should have called a flagrant there.
It would have had nothing to do with the foul before the dirty play.
That douchenozzle is gonna seriously hurt somebody.
Totally inexcusable.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on November 09, 2024, 09:46:10 AMIf they're gonna consistently play five out on offense, I'd like to see Ben take his man off the dribble every now and then - he showed last year that he can do it.
Yes. I also think he needs to cut more and get touches closer to the rim.
Pretty hard to cut if you're not consistent from deep.
Im happy for Golds and Par-Ham...played pretty well.
Are we sure it isn't pronounced "Par-Ham"? Because that's how it was pronounced Monday as well.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 09, 2024, 10:21:35 AMAre we sure it isn't pronounced "Par-Ham"? Because that's how it was pronounced Monday as well.
He said it's pronounced Par - Ham ("two words") on one of the K1 and Stewie podcasts.
Well, it certainly isn't pronounced Golds.........so I wonder.
Solid win for MU
I think there are some guys who need to prove they can actually make 3s in games. They can practice in these cupcake games, however if no improvement their green light needs to be restricted in the games against quality opponents
Quote from: MU82 on November 09, 2024, 09:30:01 AMThey absolutely could and should have called a flagrant there.
It would have had nothing to do with the foul before the dirty play.
It did. You can't call a flagrant foul if the ball is dead. At that point it's a technical for excessive force, which is what they called.
Could they have gone the extra step and ejected Newton? Sure, but at that point the technical was his fifth foul, there were :30 left in the game.
I love a good kvetch about officiating but I thought that crew handled it fine.
Quote from: mugrad_89 on November 09, 2024, 09:46:10 AMIf they're gonna consistently play five out on offense, I'd like to see Ben take his man off the dribble every now and then - he showed last year that he can do it.
He tried twice last night and lost the ball both times.
It certainly can be part of his game, but bigs should pick their spots. Definitely can't dribble through traffic.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 09, 2024, 10:21:35 AMAre we sure it isn't pronounced "Par-Ham"? Because that's how it was pronounced Monday as well.
I call him Dung-ham or Par-dung
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 09, 2024, 10:21:35 AMAre we sure it isn't pronounced "Par-Ham"? Because that's how it was pronounced Monday as well.
Check the media guide. Damn, I'm old. Do they still have those?
Quote from: MU82 on November 09, 2024, 12:01:40 PMHe tried twice last night and lost the ball both times.
It certainly can be part of his game, but bigs should pick their spots. Definitely can't dribble through traffic.
Agree - if there's traffic no, but if not every once in a while would keep his defender more honest. And his screen and roll with Kam towards the end was excellent.
Quote from: tower912 on November 08, 2024, 10:14:53 PM1. Or jarring. The jokes write themselves
2. We (fans) do this every year. The offense sucks, yadayadayada. The offense is generating the looks Shaka and Nevada want. Players gotta make open looks. When they do,MU looks good. When they don't, MU looks bad.
3. GMU is a decent team.
4. Kam is good.
5. Since I only saw the second half, I liked Ben's defense and his quick jump hook. The coaches want him to shoot open 3s. How crazy it drives you is irrelevant to them.
6. Stevie was invisible in the second half.
7. Caedin had moments. And then freshmen moments. To be expected.
8. Shaka needs to do better getting Kam rest.
9. Supposed to be a 10-ish point W. Huh. It just took a bit to get there. 21-4 to finish.
10. The threes fell late. They will start falling consistently.
11. Next.
Ben was done dirty. Kam squaring off was a little scary. Save that left hand.
Ben jacking 3's isn't Smart, Shaka
Quote from: Viper on November 09, 2024, 12:53:28 PMBen jacking 3's isn't Smart, Shaka
The MU diehard fan who obsesses about RED hasn't been around for MU's first 2 games, except to trash a player and the coach.
Quote from: Holy hell all time on November 09, 2024, 01:17:04 PMThe MU diehard fan who obsesses about RED hasn't been around for MU's first game, except to trash a player and the coach.
Been trying to figure out how Kolek is in the nba
Quote from: Viper on November 09, 2024, 12:53:28 PMBen jacking 3's isn't Smart, Shaka
Shaka and Nevada disagree. Shaka even addressed it in his presser. Convince them.
Quote from: IL Warrior on November 08, 2024, 10:19:32 PMSpeaking of which... Why didn't Shaka take the starters off the floor when the game was in hand, especially after that foul?
Before the foul, there really wasn't an opportunity. It was 66-61 at the under 4 timeout, which came with 3:59 left. Once play restarted, there wasn't another whistle until that flagrant with 33 seconds to go. I saw that criticism on Twitter as well, but the reality is we were mostly scoring in transition with no dead balls to switch up the roster. Shaka could've called a timeout, but if anyone should've called a TO, it was Skinn.
Quote from: tower912 on November 09, 2024, 03:01:26 PMShaka and Nevada disagree. Shaka even addressed it in his presser. Convince them.
Shaka also criticized people on social media who only focus on Bens shooting
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on November 09, 2024, 04:16:24 PMShaka also criticized people on social media who only focus on Bens shooting
Those people are idiots, mostly
Way too many people are focused on Gold's shooting % and I think they are missing other parts of his game. Now, I think Gold would improve a great deal as an all-around player if he shot better, but he brings a great deal more as a player than just shooting 3's. Time will tell on how big of an impact player Gold becomes and I am still betting he has big days ahead.
Quote from: Goose on November 11, 2024, 10:23:10 AMWay too many people are focused on Gold's shooting % and I think they are missing other parts of his game. Now, I think Gold would improve a great deal as an all-around player if he shot better, but he brings a great deal more as a player than just shooting 3's. Time will tell on how big of an impact player Gold becomes and I am still betting he has big days ahead.
BG is currently shooting 16% from 3 and 25% for FG for the season. I understand this is a small sample size, but if he does not pick up the percentage drastically this will hamper the teams ceiling as a whole. Opponents will give BG all the space he wants and double Kam, Jop etc if BG can't hit open shots.
MUbiz
I was speaking more in general terms about his shooting %. It has been a topic for the 1+ years on here. Of course, he cannot shoot at such a low % and be a help to the team. Again, time will tell if Ben can ever be a consistent three point threat or not. My gut tells me that coaching staff still believes he can.
Quote from: Goose on November 11, 2024, 10:36:56 AMMUbiz
I was speaking more in general terms about his shooting %. It has been a topic for the 1+ years on here. Of course, he cannot shoot at such a low % and be a help to the team. Again, time will tell if Ben can ever be a consistent three point threat or not. My gut tells me that coaching staff still believes he can.
Thanks for the clarification Goose. Marquette's streaky 3 point shooting has hurt us a ton in last year, so its not just a BG problem. We beat Purdue, Butler and NC State last year if we shoot even 30% from 3.
I know UConn has been unbeatable the last 2 years, but that is something they are incredible at - hitting the open 3 point shot. I believe I saw a stat last year where MU was about in the middle of all D1 in hitting the open 3 point shot. That needs to improve this year imho.
Quote from: MUbiz on November 11, 2024, 10:29:09 AMBG is currently shooting 16% from 3 and 25% for FG for the season. I understand this is a small sample size, but if he does not pick up the percentage drastically this will hamper the teams ceiling as a whole. Opponents will give BG all the space he wants and double Kam, Jop etc if BG can't hit open shots.
BG can miss every shot this season if he has a +49.4 Adjusted efficency margin when on the court, especially if Caedin and Royce are +9 and -58.4.
Quote from: jfp61 on November 11, 2024, 10:59:24 AMBG can miss every shot this season if he has a +49.4 Adjusted efficency margin when on the court, especially if Caedin and Royce are +9 and -58.4.
Yikes. Here come the scoopers saying Shaka should have gotten a aircraft carrier transfer.
Should have gotten an Aircraft Carrier
Quote from: jfp61 on November 11, 2024, 10:59:24 AMBG can miss every shot this season if he has a +49.4 Adjusted efficency margin when on the court, especially if Caedin and Royce are +9 and -58.4.
All three just need to keep shooting. Ben and Royce from three and Caedin down low (he actually doesn't look uncomfortable shooting from distance either). All three will play a significant part in the team's success this year. Ben still being the biggest xfactor to the teams ceiling as stated by others. Just needs to keep growing in confidence and comfortable in his role as one of the team's alphas this year.
Shaka did say in his post game presser against Mason that Royce shooting a open 3 is a good shot. Lets hope they go in starting tonight going forward for everyone.
Here's some context regarding Marquette's three point shooting in non-con and post non-con (Big East + any postseason) the past three years under Shaka:
- 2024 NC: 33.8% (96/284)
- 2024 PNC: 36.9% (205/556)
- 2023 NC: 34.3% (99/289)
- 2023 PNC: 35.1% (202/576)
- 2022 NC: 31.5% (92/292)
- 2022 PNC: 36.7% (175/477)
So slow starts from three are pretty typical, but historically they take a step forward once we get into Big East play and beyond. I just wish we could build the whole season out of the PNC numbers.
Great info - thanks Brew!
Quote from: MUbiz on November 11, 2024, 01:34:27 PMGreat info - thanks Brew!
Agreed. Seems like a natural progression as people get more comfortable in their new roles.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on November 09, 2024, 10:21:35 AMAre we sure it isn't pronounced "Par-Ham"? Because that's how it was pronounced Monday as well.
ParboiledHam
I thought Par-ham was Rico after he finally hit a shot that didn't suck.
Quote from: SaveOD238 on November 09, 2024, 10:28:42 AMHe said it's pronounced Par - Ham ("two words") on one of the K1 and Stewie podcasts.
His bio (https://gomarquette.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/royce-parham/7948) also confirms it.