Marquette's basketball economics are incredible! Not only are we in the top 10 in attendance but we also have a rich alumni base and are in a metropolitan area and are able to charge premium prices for seats, food, beverages, parking, etc. and still draw over 16,000. Having a tie in with the Bucks allows us to get a portion of all the arena corporate advertising revenue as well.
Our program with elite revenues, facilities, and history has allowed us to become a national program where we can obtain blue chip players from anywhere in the country which is reflected by our roster with only one player from Wisconsin on it. Our elite basketball program and its notoriety from being on tv sets across the country also provides free advertising for the university to continue to recruit students across the country.
Another little known fact is Marquette has an open invitation to schedule home and home series with any team in the country as teams from ACC, SEC and Big 10 are aggressive in calling us to express an interest and not the other way around. The pageantry in playing in a beautiful, full pro stadium, with good payouts is very attractive to the opposing players and coaches. The opposing alumni who make the trip also rave about the game experience, while also enjoy a weekend of checking out the sites and charm that Milwaukee brings.
So with all the above said... why did we schedule a home and home series with Dayton? Why not a home and home series with Tennessee or Arkansas who also fill their big arena's. At the very least a home and home with Auburn would have been great too and would have been an easy deal to get done with Bruce Pearl's Milwaukee experience.
Finally why is the sky always falling on this board? The Power 5, now Power 4 is a misnomer, marketing ploy. Most of these "power" conferences are full of dogs who don't even draw 10,000 a game, many "power" teams draw 5,000 or even less and hence why teams like Stanford, Cal, Washington State and Oregon State were left behind. If the NCAA is losing their grip and there is a consolidation of the elite football programs trying to maximize revenues for themselves, then Marquette needs to plan now for a world when the NCAA is essentially gone. At that point there could be distinct national power conference formats for the top 40 football programs and the top 40 basketball programs with higher payouts for these elite programs to their schools, coaches and players. Marquette consistently being one of the top 10 richest/drawing programs would definitely be in prime position to be one of the leading members in the formation of this basketball mega conference.
With all of the above said having a forward thinking, aggressive, business savvy AD to lead Marquette in the future will be key. I'm not a fan of an AD who schedules a home and home with Dayton and then also takes us out of our annual tradition of playing in a sexy Thanksgiving Basketball Tournaments against other great programs. Hopefully Marquette makes smart hires of critical leaders who will maximize our resources and lofty position instead of minimizing it.
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Basketball/
(this raptor list loses a lot of credibility by showing a huge jump in revenue for Georgetown, unless a billionaire alumni laundered money through the program by paying $20M for a courtside seat, this jump doesn't match up with average attendance of under 7,000 per game and Marquette's reciprocal drop makes no sense either).
Pretty sure Shaka scheduled Dayton because Marcus Freeman scheduled Northern Illinois.
As one who never thinks the sky is falling in regards to MU basketball, let me say welcome to the light.
As far as Dayton, why not? Rabid fanbase, a history with MU. Perhaps foreshadowing expansion.
Soooo MU's AD blew up all the positives you cite because of scheduling Dayton? I don't get your point.
Scheduling a strong mid major when already having a top SOS non-con is loser behavior!!!!!!!!
Given the author, I chose not to read this novel. Please let me know if I missed anything worthwhile.
Quote from: RubyWiscy on September 14, 2024, 12:08:05 PM
Soooo MU's AD blew up all the positives you cite because of scheduling Dayton? I don't get your point.
Maybe he wants Marquette to hire Marcus Freeman as our new AD. Gotta hang something on the current AD to justify hiring Freeman.
I can hardly wait for Fieldhouse Flyer to show up here. I've got a bag of popcorn in the cupboard.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 14, 2024, 01:48:41 PM
Given the author, I chose not to read this novel. Please let me know if I missed anything worthwhile.
It's safe to say you didn't.
I'm out of the loop but have seen people making snide comments about Dayton on here for years. Something I'm missing?
Quote from: duanewade on September 14, 2024, 11:15:13 AM
Another little known fact is Marquette has an open invitation to schedule home and home series with any team in the country as teams from ACC, SEC and Big 10 are aggressive in calling us to express an interest and not the other way around.
Most ACC teams* Notre Dame is scared to play us
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 14, 2024, 02:40:38 PM
It's safe to say you didn't.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRukt1Uz1bf0eo0J82_wmqB9ax8iijNC-vZpw&s)
At this point i would just create a new user name. I don't think you can live down how quickly your last taek went sub zero.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 14, 2024, 05:10:39 PM
At this point i would just create a new user name. I don't think you can live down how quickly your last taek went sub zero.
He posts infrequently enough that previous hot takes have gone unnoticed.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 14, 2024, 05:10:39 PM
At this point i would just create a new user name. I don't think you can live down how quickly your last taek went sub zero.
Haha. This board sure doesn't let people get away with absurd takes.
I will say, I chuckled at the sky is falling part 😂
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on September 14, 2024, 05:10:39 PM
At this point i would just create a new user name. I don't think you can live down how quickly your last taek went sub zero.
His last take was so bad that it's now a taek.
Quote from: duanewade on September 14, 2024, 11:15:13 AM
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Basketball/
(this raptor list loses a lot of credibility by showing a huge jump in revenue for Georgetown, unless a billionaire alumni laundered money through the program by paying $20M for a courtside seat, this jump doesn't match up with average attendance of under 7,000 per game and Marquette's reciprocal drop makes no sense either).
Two points:
1. These figures are not "revenues" but are inflows into a budget. This can variously include NCAA revenue, tickets, concessions, booster money, and just as importantly, university subsidies... which prop up many programs.
2. Georgetown averaged 5,442 per game in 2022-23, including numerous free ticket giveaways and student seating. The large variance in spending is likely (but not confirmed) to be a combination of the multi-year Patrick Ewing buyout, the termination of his staff and whatever contracts they had, hiring Ed Cooley, the hiring of his staff, and increased costs to compete at Capital One Arena, where Georgetown apparently pays a market rate second only to Madison Square Garden on a per game basis. As budgets balance in fund accounting, revenues grow to meet expense.
Quote from: duanewade on September 14, 2024, 11:15:13 AM
Marquette's basketball economics are incredible! Not only are we in the top 10 in attendance but we also have a rich alumni base and are in a metropolitan area and are able to charge premium prices for seats, food, beverages, parking, etc. and still draw over 16,000. Having a tie in with the Bucks allows us to get a portion of all the arena corporate advertising revenue as well.
Our program with elite revenues, facilities, and history has allowed us to become a national program where we can obtain blue chip players from anywhere in the country which is reflected by our roster with only one player from Wisconsin on it. Our elite basketball program and its notoriety from being on tv sets across the country also provides free advertising for the university to continue to recruit students across the country.
Another little known fact is Marquette has an open invitation to schedule home and home series with any team in the country as teams from ACC, SEC and Big 10 are aggressive in calling us to express an interest and not the other way around. The pageantry in playing in a beautiful, full pro stadium, with good payouts is very attractive to the opposing players and coaches. The opposing alumni who make the trip also rave about the game experience, while also enjoy a weekend of checking out the sites and charm that Milwaukee brings.
So with all the above said... why did we schedule a home and home series with Dayton? Why not a home and home series with Tennessee or Arkansas who also fill their big arena's. At the very least a home and home with Auburn would have been great too and would have been easy deal to get done with Bruce Pearl's Milwaukee experience.
Finally why is the sky always falling on this board? The Power 5, now Power 4 is a misnomer, marketing ploy. Most of these "power" conferences are full of dogs who don't even draw 10,000 a game, many "power" teams draw 5,000 or even less and hence why teams like Stanford, Cal, Washington State and Oregon State were left behind. If the NCAA is losing their grip and there is a consolidation of the elite football programs trying to maximize revenues for themselves, then Marquette needs to plan now for a world when the NCAA is essentially gone. At that point there could be distinct national power conference formats for the top 40 football programs and the top 40 basketball programs with higher payouts for these elite programs to their schools, coaches and players. Marquette consistently being one of the top 10 richest/drawing programs would definitely be in prime position to be one of the leading members in the formation of this basketball mega conference.
With all of the above said having a forward thinking, aggressive, business savvy AD to lead Marquette in the future will be key. I'm not a fan of an AD who schedules a home and home with Dayton and then also takes us out of our annual tradition of playing in a sexy Thanksgiving Basketball Tournaments against other great programs. Hopefully Marquette makes smart hires of critical leaders who will maximize our resources and lofty position instead of minimizing it.
https://www.nasdaq.com/articles/schools-that-make-the-most-money-off-college-basketball
https://www.collegeraptor.com/college-rankings/details/TopRevenue/Sports/Basketball/
(this raptor list loses a lot of credibility by showing a huge jump in revenue for Georgetown, unless a billionaire alumni laundered money through the program by paying $20M for a courtside seat, this jump doesn't match up with average attendance of under 7,000 per game and Marquette's reciprocal drop makes no sense either).
duanewade:
Thanks for the Excellent analysis of why MU Basketball program ranks among the elite. MU has a program we can all be proud of.
A Few Points to consider with respect to this post:
1. MU Basketball Schedule is the responsibility of Mike Broeker, not the AD. Mr. Broeker scheduling is limited by the availability of Fiserv Forum, as MU is not the owner of the building.
2. While MU is not participating in a holiday tournament this season, it has created the competitive equivalent ( or better)game wise by scheduling the Neutral Site game in Bahamas with Georgia and The first installment of the Dayton Series.
3. This years schedule is one of the better in recent years, as the first three easy games are much better grade than the usual cupcakes . All three of these opponents are coming off of solid seasons and one has the pre-season MAC player of the year on their roster. In addition, we have the first game of Maryland Home and Home, The Big 12 Match up versus Iowa State and The Badger game and Purdue game. Then we have two classic cupcakes.
4. The objective of the non-conference is to put up a very strong win loss record and win some games against quality opponents. I think MU has the chance to do that this season.
5. For Next season , there is no more Big East Big 12 Challenge. However, MU has locked in Maryland, Purdue, The Badgers and Dayton which is a pretty solid place to be in todays environment. There will likely be a MTE for 3 games plus Whatever Cupcakes can be scheduled.
6. As to the sky is falling, MU has an excellent program in an excellent conference and will be a survivor. The Big issue that MU faces is maintaining enough relationships with NIL providers to compete for talent. The dollars being thrown around college athletics are enormous. MU is lucky it doesn't have a Football team worth of NIL to deal with. However, MU will need access to a large 7 digit amount, to fund its share of settlements and arrange for continuing NIL ( in the current format). So the priority in hiring new President of University and AD are individuals who are strong at fund raising.
😂😂😂
Tough to beat a "serious" conversation between duane and 9-9-9.
Mods should upgrade the system to allow for AI to occupy Buffoon Cain and Buffoon Wade in a separate chat room.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on September 14, 2024, 06:47:37 PM
He posts infrequently enough that previous hot takes have gone unnoticed.
Anyone else think that this may be an alternate account for a scooper who posts regularly? I cannot match the writing style with anyone though.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on September 15, 2024, 08:32:13 AM
Anyone else think that this may be an alternate account for a scooper who posts regularly? I cannot match the writing style with anyone though.
Rocky posted a few months ago that this particular poster sent a PM threatening to sue them
I believe Coach Smart is very close with Dayton head coach Anthony Grant and thus the Dayton scheduling connection. Plus, if you ever visit the UD Pride message board, the Dayton fans generally have an obsession with Marquette basketball.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 15, 2024, 09:26:42 AM
I believe Coach Smart is very close with Dayton head coach Anthony Grant and thus the Dayton scheduling connection. Plus, if you ever visit the UD Pride message board, the Dayton fans generally have an obsession with Marquette basketball.
You are correct about the connection with Grant, but I think this was a somewhat last minute thing when a rumored home and home with NC State fell through.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 15, 2024, 09:26:42 AM
I believe Coach Smart is very close with Dayton head coach Anthony Grant and thus the Dayton scheduling connection. Plus, if you ever visit the UD Pride message board, the Dayton fans generally have an obsession with Marquette basketball.
Shaka took over at VCU after Grant took the Alabama job. They were both assistants at Florida prior to getting their first HC jobs at VCU. They were both on the NABC BOD together too.
I love that we scheduled Dayton and hope it becomes a longer running series.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 15, 2024, 09:51:09 AM
Shaka took over at VCU after Grant took the Alabama job. They were both assistants at Florida prior to getting their first HC jobs at VCU. They were both on the NABC BOD together too.
I love that we scheduled Dayton and hope it becomes a longer running series.
For all the jokes about Dayton, it should be an excellent opponent. They're a good program
Currently with a winning streak against MU.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2024, 10:05:23 AM
For all the jokes about Dayton, it should be an excellent opponent. They're a good program
It should be a hostile atmosphere too. I remember taking the trip in 2003 and it was an intense game.
Clearly a lot of MU fans hate Dayton and vice versa. Why not renew a rivalry? Seems like great scheduling to me.
Any concerns around SOS or "prestige" are overblown to say the least.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on September 15, 2024, 11:30:38 AM
Clearly a lot of MU fans hate Dayton and vice versa. Why not renew a rivalry? Seems like great scheduling to me.
Any concerns around SOS or "prestige" are overblown to say the least.
As long as Marquette continues to schedule aggressively, I agree.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on September 15, 2024, 11:25:14 AM
It should be a hostile atmosphere too. I remember taking the trip in 2003 and it was an intense game.
Wasn't that 2003 game played in Hoffman Estates, Illinois as part of a very short lived, four team doubleheader event??
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 15, 2024, 12:10:54 PM
Wasn't that 2003 game played in Hoffman Estates, Illinois as part of a very short lived, four team doubleheader event??
I think that was 2008?
The '03 game at Dayton was one helluva homecourt whistle.
Quote from: MUfan12 on September 15, 2024, 01:42:31 PM
I think that was 2008?
The '03 game at Dayton was one helluva homecourt whistle.
I was at a Marquette/Dayton game at the UD Arena during the Mike Deane era, 1997 or 1998 I think. It was a Friday night between Christmas and New Years. Marquette ended up squeaking out a win at the end. Very intense game. Hostile environment. Spring came early. About 70 degrees all day and evening.Condensation all over on the floor.
Quote from: Dickthedribbler on September 15, 2024, 12:10:54 PM
Wasn't that 2003 game played in Hoffman Estates, Illinois as part of a very short lived, four team doubleheader event??
It was at UD Arena. It was the day after Ohio State beat Miami for the national title so Dayton fans were extra fired up. That was a really good Dayton team that ended up ranked 16th and won the A-10. We lost in OT, but the season turned out ok in the end.
Dayton sucks!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 15, 2024, 10:05:23 AM
For all the jokes about Dayton, it should be an excellent opponent. They're a good program
so there ya go...now that we got reekos blessing, I feel so much better and will sleep well tonight
on a more serious note-why are the play in games for NCAA show always played at dayton?
Quote from: rocket surgeon on September 15, 2024, 06:59:17 PM
on a more serious note-why are the play in games for NCAA show always played at dayton?
They are willing to host...they do a good job at it...the fans show up...it's centrally located.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on September 15, 2024, 06:58:16 PM
so there ya go...now that we got reekos blessing, I feel so much better and will sleep well tonight
You should. I'm usually right and you're usually wrong.
I was at the Chicago Invitational game against Dayton in 2008. I remember someone jumping over Maurice Acker.
Back when the baby blue jerseys were obviously cursed.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on September 16, 2024, 11:57:14 AM
I was at the Chicago Invitational game against Dayton in 2008. I remember someone jumping over Maurice Acker.
That would be future NBA forward Chris Wright.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRf4_irVUMHU21j5OXvLlXVVycK4i5hbFbDCQ&s)
Chris Wright's dunk vs. Marquette 11/28/2008 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MonUTj9cCYI) – YouTube Video – November 28, 2008
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on September 16, 2024, 01:28:54 PM
That would be future NBA forward Chris Wright.
(https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRf4_irVUMHU21j5OXvLlXVVycK4i5hbFbDCQ&s)
Chris Wright's dunk vs. Marquette 11/28/2008 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MonUTj9cCYI) – YouTube Video – November 28, 2008
He sucked
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 16, 2024, 01:46:44 PM
He sucked
Not at all.
(https://media.gettyimages.com/id/136528544/photo/los-angeles-ca-kobe-bryant-of-the-los-angeles-lakers-shoots-over-chris-wright-of-the-golden.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=7JWb6JoKQ5AUYr6aEg-IrlX47wNAFfmCFs8kNnCDBZY=)
LOS ANGELES, CA - JANUARY 6, 2012: Kobe Bryant #24 of the Los Angeles Lakers shoots over Chris Wright #33 of the Golden State Warriors at Staples Center on January 6th in Los Angeles. The Lakers won 97-90.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on September 16, 2024, 01:58:09 PM
Not at all.
(https://media.gettyimages.com/id/136528544/photo/los-angeles-ca-kobe-bryant-of-the-los-angeles-lakers-shoots-over-chris-wright-of-the-golden.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=7JWb6JoKQ5AUYr6aEg-IrlX47wNAFfmCFs8kNnCDBZY=)
LOS ANGELES, CA - JANUARY 6, 2012: Kobe Bryant #24 of the Los Angeles Lakers shoots over Chris Wright #33 of the Golden State Warriors at Staples Center on January 6th in Los Angeles. The Lakers won 97-90.
No, he sucked
Imagine Chris Wright being one of the best pro alums.
Quote from: Fieldhouse Flyer on September 16, 2024, 01:58:09 PM
Not at all.
(https://media.gettyimages.com/id/136528544/photo/los-angeles-ca-kobe-bryant-of-the-los-angeles-lakers-shoots-over-chris-wright-of-the-golden.jpg?s=612x612&w=gi&k=20&c=7JWb6JoKQ5AUYr6aEg-IrlX47wNAFfmCFs8kNnCDBZY=)
LOS ANGELES, CA - JANUARY 6, 2012: Kobe Bryant #24 of the Los Angeles Lakers shoots over Chris Wright #33 of the Golden State Warriors at Staples Center on January 6th in Los Angeles. The Lakers won 97-90.
Congratulations on finding an action shot of Chris in one of the 32 career NBA games he played in.
Quote from: wadesworld on September 16, 2024, 02:26:08 PM
Congratulations on finding an action shot of Chris in one of the 32 career NBA games he played in.
And lost.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on September 16, 2024, 02:53:37 PM
And lost.
I was a fan of Sedric Toney in the 80's. Oh wait, that was Andrew Toney. Nevermind
What's this "we" crap?
There is no evidence that you are an actual Marquette fan.
Quote from: MUfan12 on September 15, 2024, 01:42:31 PM
I think that was 2008?
The '03 game at Dayton was one helluva homecourt whistle.
Sat court side at the 2008 game. Bad game but season was alright.
What I remember about the 2003 game was Dwyane driving baseline for the final shot. Remember Dwyane saying after the game that he would drive middle from now on for the last shot. But that season turned out alright too.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on September 17, 2024, 03:56:18 PM
Sat court side at the 2008 game. Bad game but season was alright.
What I remember about the 2003 game was Dwyane driving baseline for the final shot. Remember Dwyane saying after the game that he would drive middle from now on for the last shot. But that season turned out alright too.
correction...Dwayne 'whispered', yes?
Anyone but Dayton