Marquette 8th in the Nation in Attendance
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Shouldn't this really be judged by % capacity?
I mean it's cool to see us 8th but if you run a 10k arena and average 10k fans that seems like a bigger deal than averaging say 8 or 9k for crappy games then skewing it with 6 18k sell outs each year.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2024, 02:24:26 PM
Shouldn't this really be judged by % capacity?
I mean it's cool to see us 8th but if you run a 10k arena and average 10k fans that seems like a bigger deal than averaging say 8 or 9k for crappy games then skewing it with 6 18k sell outs each year.
I don't know what you mean by "judged." It's just a stat that Marquette uses for its benefit.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 28, 2024, 01:24:00 PM
Check out past attendance ranks at muoverload.com (http://muoverload.com) > Attendance.
Marquette has always had a great fan base.
Them other schools should build and/or play in a larger arena.
No, it should be judged by average number of fans in attendance. The schools with the arenas that can only hold 10k fans should get bigger arenas.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2024, 02:24:26 PM
Shouldn't this really be judged by % capacity?
I mean it's cool to see us 8th but if you run a 10k arena and average 10k fans that seems like a bigger deal than averaging say 8 or 9k for crappy games then skewing it with 6 18k sell outs each year.
I suppose there's an entirely different statistic that is average % capacity filled, which may not rank MU 8th, but this stat does rank MU 8th. The different stats convey different pieces of information. I don't think one is inherently better than the other.
Quote from: jficke13 on August 28, 2024, 03:12:49 PM
I suppose there's an entirely different statistic that is average % capacity filled, which may not rank MU 8th, but this stat does rank MU 8th. The different stats convey different pieces of information. I don't think one is inherently better than the other.
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If MU had spent million$ to build an on-campus arena, MU would not be ranked 8th in total attendance. If more games were played at the Al, MU would not be ranked 8th in attendance. For a private school with an overall enrollment of 11k to be competitive with the UNC's, Syracuse's, Arizona's, Sparty's of the world is something to take pride in.
Quote from: tower912 on August 28, 2024, 03:29:53 PM
If MU had spent million$ to build an on-campus arena, MU would not be ranked 8th in total attendance. If more games were played at the Al, MU would not be ranked 8th in attendance. For a private school with an overall enrollment of 11k to be competitive with the UNC's, Syracuse's, Arizona's, Sparty's of the world is something to take pride in.
Which is exactly why Marquette pushes it.
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 28, 2024, 02:57:06 PM
No, it should be judged by average number of fans in attendance. The schools with the arenas that can only hold 10k fans should get bigger arenas.
Yep. I would guess that schools with arenas that can hold a max of 10k fans know that they would not have the increased attendance to fill a larger arena. And then there are schools like DePaul and Georgetown :) , but that's another subject.
MU's 2023-24 average per home game attendance of 16,307 is an all-time high.
Fiserv has a capacity of 17,385. So, % is solid.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 28, 2024, 03:36:21 PM
Yep. I would guess that schools with arenas that can hold a max of 10k fans know that they would not have the increased attendance to fill a larger arena. And then there are schools like DePaul and Georgetown :) , but that's another subject.
Granted I'm using last years data but
UD arena: capacity 13,407
Dayton attendance average: 13,407
Do you really think they're sitting there thinking "phew, glad we built the fact perfect size arena for the demand we generate" not "wow we could've gone another 2k up"?
Duke, Cameron indoor 9,314 their attendance average 9,314
Xavier cintas center actually hold 10,224 but they average slightly more at 10,286
Purdue's like Xavier average more than capacity at 14,876 when capacity is 14,804
I'm sure I could go through more arenas/teams to make my point but if you're averaging a sell out (or more) it seems like enough evidence to refute the idea that there's no greater demand for tickets than those that are in the stadium. It'd be an unreal business if they were meeting 100% demand perfectly and that demand stayed static year in year out.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2024, 04:04:25 PM
Granted I'm using last years data but
UD arena: capacity 13,407
Dayton attendance average: 13,407
Do you really think they're sitting there thinking "phew, glad we built the fact perfect size arena for the demand we generate" not "wow we could've gone another 2k up"?
Duke, Cameron indoor 9,314 their attendance average 9,314
Xavier cintas center actually hold 10,224 but they average slightly more at 10,286
Purdue's like Xavier average more than capacity at 14,876 when capacity is 14,804
I'm sure I could go through more arenas/teams to make my point but if you're averaging a sell out (or more) it seems like enough evidence to refute the idea that there's no greater demand for tickets than those that are in the stadium. It'd be an unreal business if they were meeting 100% demand perfectly and that demand stayed static year in year out.
Nicely laid out. I was wrong.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on August 28, 2024, 01:20:46 PM
Marquette 8th in the Nation in Attendance
Last season was the first since the early-90s that I contributed to that figure. I'm considering doing so again this season.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2024, 04:04:25 PM
Granted I'm using last years data but
UD arena: capacity 13,407
Dayton attendance average: 13,407
Do you really think they're sitting there thinking "phew, glad we built the fact perfect size arena for the demand we generate" not "wow we could've gone another 2k up"?
Duke, Cameron indoor 9,314 their attendance average 9,314
Xavier cintas center actually hold 10,224 but they average slightly more at 10,286
Purdue's like Xavier average more than capacity at 14,876 when capacity is 14,804
I'm sure I could go through more arenas/teams to make my point but if you're averaging a sell out (or more) it seems like enough evidence to refute the idea that there's no greater demand for tickets than those that are in the stadium. It'd be an unreal business if they were meeting 100% demand perfectly and that demand stayed static year in year out.
Those schools could fill a larger arena, but we don't know just how big.
MU's 16,307 average surpasses the capacity of those arenas. Some of those other programs would surpass that, some of them would not.
It's tough for a college program to fill an NBA arena because for a city to have an NBA arena automatically means that the college team is not the main hoops team in town—what else does one do in West Lafayette? MU nation does an admirable job.
Quote from: Badgerhater on August 28, 2024, 04:58:46 PM
what else does one do in West Lafayette?
Clearly you haven't been to Discount Den for a soda/pop
Quote from: jutaw22mu on August 28, 2024, 02:57:06 PM
No, it should be judged by average number of fans in attendance. The schools with the arenas that can only hold 10k fans should get bigger arenas.
Back in my day a 10k arena was considered a big arena.
Good. Here's hoping we get that P3 invite.
Quote from: muwarrior69 on August 28, 2024, 05:58:30 PM
Back in my day a 10k arena was considered a big arena.
When you were walking 5 miles to school each day. Barefoot. In the snow. Uphill both ways. And you liked it.
100% capacity in a 10,000-seat arena is nice. However, that does not mean the same school would have 100% capacity in a 15,000-seat arena.
Quote from: TallTitan34 on August 28, 2024, 01:24:00 PM
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2020-2021 might be slightly off.
Quote from: bilsu on August 28, 2024, 09:15:40 PM
100% capacity in a 10,000-seat arena is nice. However, that does not mean the same school would have 100% capacity in a 15,000-seat arena.
Da fuq?
Quote from: source? on August 28, 2024, 09:32:54 PM
2020-2021 might be slightly off.
It's correct going off game box scores.
Covid year with no/limited crowds.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on August 28, 2024, 05:22:44 PM
Clearly you haven't been to Discount Den for a soda/pop
LOL I never understood why the Discount Den was such a big deal when I was there. Purdue does have two fantastic Pete Dye designed (and redesigned) golf courses, which is something else to do in W.L., albeit not during basketball season...
I remember when we were selling out the arena every game for many years and then somebody discovered the seating capacity number was an over count. Probably a Badger fan!
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Smart ass comment #1: I don't recall ever being at a sporting event and seeing an attendance guessing game on the Jumbotron based on percentage of capacity.
Smart ass comment #2: So if a Michigan football game at the big house was 10 people short of a sellout, the thought would be that is a less impressive crowd than the University of (insert college name with small stadium here) having a sell out?
Their athletic department's cool stat can be "Longest streak of sellouts". MU's cool stat is "8th Largest average attendance"
Per Dodds, Shaka at rhe block party said there are a record number of season tickets sold.
Seriously, some people are never happy.
Come on, the fact that MU is 8th in the nation is a reason to bitch and argue?
I can't wait for Scoops hot takes on "water is wet" and "1+1=2".
Marquette averaged a sellout at the MECCA for many years. Even with Dukiet, they had close to capacity every game. Then they moved to the Bradley Center and exceeded the MECCA numbers every year.
As others have said, it is very impressive to draw crowds like this given the size of the school and having an NBA team in town.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 29, 2024, 08:08:53 AM
Seriously, some people are never happy.
Come on, the fact that MU is 8th in the nation is a reason to bitch and argue?
I can't wait for Scoops hot takes on "water is wet" and "1+1=2".
Water isn't wet. You are wet when you have water on you
Quote from: tower912 on August 29, 2024, 06:46:13 AM
Per Dodds, Shaka at rhe block party said there are a record number of season tickets sold.
First time in my STH era (est. 1997) that I went backwards. I have always had the ability to upgrade but I like my section / set-up so I have stayed with the proletariat. Now the proletariat is jumping over me. This is a great problem to have. Shaka to the Moon.
Quote from: Carl on August 29, 2024, 08:53:54 AM
Water isn't wet. You are wet when you have water on you
LOL! Scoop never fails.
Can we have a debate on the correct English spelling of 'A' , 'I' and 'On'?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 29, 2024, 09:02:59 AM
LOL! Scoop never fails.
Can we have a debate on the correct English spelling of 'A' , 'I' and 'On'?
We're saving that for September.
What is the definition of 'is'? Depends.
Quote from: Carl on August 29, 2024, 08:53:54 AM
Water isn't wet. You are wet when you have water on you
This is brilliant on multiple levels
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on August 29, 2024, 08:39:59 AM
Marquette averaged a sellout at the MECCA for many years. Even with Dukiet, they had close to capacity every game. Then they moved to the Bradley Center and exceeded the MECCA numbers every year.
As others have said, it is very impressive to draw crowds like this given the size of the school and having an NBA team in town.
Not in 1999-2000, Deane's last season at the helm. But other than that we've exceeded 10K in average attendance every year since we were just under 10k in 1966-67. The one year that surprises me for average attendance is 2001-02, where we averaged under 13K considering the success the team and has buzz after the GAS title.
I have been very impressed with attendance the past couple of years. It definitely is a lot of fun going to sold out games and the fans being into the game. Job well by MU basketball.
Looking at those attendance stats. Best overall attendance home/away/neutral since the Wade 2003 year.
So when the whole country knows. The whole country knows.
And I don't think there will be much of a blip.
When teams start seeing that Shaka is Red-shirting prep players instead of them going for a prep school year with those last 3 new scholly's. The re-classify's.....I think there will be some copy-cats. Maybe as soon as next year.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 29, 2024, 11:03:26 AM
Not in 1999-2000, Deane's last season at the helm, where we were under 10k. But other than that we've exceeded 10K in average attendance every year since we were just under 10k in 1966-67. The one year that surprised me for average attendance is 2001-02, where we averaged under 13K despite the success of the team and the buzz (and top 25 ranking) after the GAS title.
Quote from: burger on August 29, 2024, 01:13:55 PM
Looking at those attendance stats. Best overall attendance home/away/neutral since the Wade 2003 year.
So when the whole country knows. The whole country knows.
And I don't think there will be much of a blip.
When teams start seeing that Shaka is Red-shirting prep players instead of them going for a prep school year with those last 3 new scholly's. The re-classify's.....I think there will be some copy-cats. Maybe as soon as next year.
Yes, correct. It get's the kids a leg up on school plus basketball balance. Getting to school early and having four years of school work be able to be spread out over five years is smart.
Quote from: MarquetteMike1977 on August 28, 2024, 01:20:46 PM
Marquette 8th in the Nation in Attendance
Thanks for sharing this. Where did you find the 2024 stats? NCAA has only updated their site through 2023
https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2013/11/27/ncaa-men-s-basketball-attendance.aspx
Quote from: Herman Cain on August 29, 2024, 02:09:11 PM
Thanks for sharing this. Where did you find the 2024 stats? NCAA has only updated their site through 2023
https://www.ncaa.org/sports/2013/11/27/ncaa-men-s-basketball-attendance.aspx
MU put it out on X
https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1828840093475340534
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 29, 2024, 11:03:26 AM
Not in 1999-2000, Deane's last season at the helm. But other than that we've exceeded 10K in average attendance every year since we were just under 10k in 1966-67. The one year that surprises me for average attendance is 2001-02, where we averaged under 13K considering the success the team and has buzz after the GAS title.
I stand corrected...I didn't remember that plunge in attemdece. I guess that further justified why they moved on from Deane. We only finished two spots ahead of DePaul that year...they averaged over 9700 per game that year. Things have certainly changed since that time.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on August 29, 2024, 03:46:44 PM
We only finished two spots ahead of DePaul that year...they averaged over 9700 per game that year.
Can't even fathom that. I know I went to a DePaul game as a kid when they had fans but it just seems so impossible now days
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on August 29, 2024, 03:46:44 PM
I stand corrected...I didn't remember that plunge in attemdece. I guess that further justified why they moved on from Deane. We only finished two spots ahead of DePaul that year...they averaged over 9700 per game that year. Things have certainly changed since that time.
I went to a couple games in Deane's last year, and the whole place was like a morgue. At least the fans were into the game in Dukiet's last year - I mean they were mostly booing, but still...
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 29, 2024, 03:08:18 PM
MU put it out on X
https://x.com/MarquetteMBB/status/1828840093475340534
Thank You
I believe Baylor's new arena actually smaller to achieve that higher % FWIW. I think that is dumb.
Quote from: The Lens on August 29, 2024, 08:54:33 AM
First time in my STH era (est. 1997) that I went backwards. I have always had the ability to upgrade but I like my section / set-up so I have stayed with the proletariat. Now the proletariat is jumping over me. This is a great problem to have. Shaka to the Moon.
I thought you could keep your seats if you wanted to, didn't even have to use Marquette Select. That's what we did.
Quote from: MUDPT on August 30, 2024, 08:31:47 AM
I thought you could keep your seats if you wanted to, didn't even have to use Marquette Select. That's what we did.
Correct, this wasn't a full reseating year. No one had to move, but could move if they chose to.
Quote from: geps on August 30, 2024, 08:25:50 AM
I believe Baylor's new arena actually smaller to achieve that higher % FWIW. I think that is dumb.
Not really. They reduced the capacity from the Ferrell Center's 10k to create a better atmosphere for all games (midweek games didn't sell out often). Fans are closer to the court too. They can also charge more, making more revenue despite fewer seats. Supply and demand.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 30, 2024, 09:11:53 AM
Not really. They reduced the capacity from the Ferrell Center's 10k to create a better atmosphere for all games (midweek games didn't sell out often). Fans are closer to the court too. They can also charge more, making more revenue despite fewer seats. Supply and demand.
Baylor, TCU and SMU can all use the money. ;)
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 30, 2024, 01:42:50 PM
Baylor, TCU and SMU can all use the money. ;)
they need to pay for that equestrian program somehow. It's not cheap to feed and travel all of the horses. ;D
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on August 30, 2024, 01:58:18 PM
they need to pay for that equestrian program somehow. It's not cheap to feed and travel all of the horses. ;D
Well, Marquette has Club Equestrian now. It's just a matter of time...
Quote from: warriorchick on August 30, 2024, 03:22:58 PM
Well, Marquette has Club Equestrian now. It's just a matter of time...
Do the horses have to also maintain a certain grade point to be eligible?
Quote from: BrewCity83 on August 30, 2024, 04:37:14 PM
Do the horses have to also maintain a certain grade point to be eligible?
No, but when they die, scoop members are required to beat them, then Muggsy will serve them as an appetizer.
Quote from: lawdog77 on August 30, 2024, 04:47:30 PM
No, but when they die, scoop members are required to beat them, then Muggsy will serve them as an appetizer.
They're the glue that keeps the team together.
How much needs to be invested to insure a stable program? That is the mane thing.
Will they be bringing back Kerry Trotter?
Finally bring in Enes Kanter?
Hire dressage therapists?
Compete with Gesu in the steeplechase?
I want a foal breakdown from somebody who has the information down colt.
Have Mark Gelding do the radio.
Quote from: tower912 on August 30, 2024, 04:56:46 PM
How much needs to be invested to insure a stable program? That is the mane thing.
Will they be bringing back Kerry Trotter?
Finally bring in Enes Kanter?
Hire dressage therapists?
Compete with Gesu in the steeplechase?
I want a foal breakdown from somebody who has the information down colt.
Have Mark Gelding do the radio.
Hay! Stop trying to stirrup trouble. This is a bit much. Look at the bight side. When Covid becomes a problem again, there will be a nice stock of Ivermectin on campus to help everyone who contracts it so that Covid will be reined in.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 30, 2024, 05:10:34 PM
Hay! Stop trying to stirrup trouble. This is a bit much. Look at the bight side. When Covid becomes a problem again, there will be a nice stock of Ivermectin on campus to help everyone who contracts it so that Covid will be reined in.
Marely doing a bit. I will rein it in.
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 30, 2024, 05:10:34 PM
Hay! Stop trying to stirrup trouble. This is a bit much. Look at the bight side. When Covid becomes a problem again, there will be a nice stock of Ivermectin on campus to help everyone who contracts it so that Covid will be reined in.
...just wear a mask and stand 6' apart like a good little clone, hey
just follow what dr fettucine says and shut up
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on August 30, 2024, 05:10:34 PM
Hay! Stop trying to stirrup trouble. This is a bit much. Look at the bight side. When Covid becomes a problem again, there will be a nice stock of Ivermectin on campus to help everyone who contracts it so that Covid will be reined in.
When Covid becomes a problem again? It's a pretty big problem right now. We're just learning to live with it instead of hiding in our basements.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 30, 2024, 06:55:53 PM
When Covid becomes a problem again? It's a pretty big problem right now. We're just learning to live with it instead of hiding in our basements.
Actually it's because people are hardly dying from it right now.
When we had horses, Ivermectin was our go-to dewormer. Never, ever thought someone would suggest that it would cure Covid. ::)
Crapaloosa.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 30, 2024, 07:21:09 PM
Actually it's because people are hardly dying from it right now.
People who weren't alive in 2021 can't appreciate what we went through and this feels like a pandemic to them.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on August 30, 2024, 07:32:15 PM
People who weren't alive in 2021 can't appreciate what we went through and this feels like a pandemic to them.
To be fair, Lenny's probably can't remember much from 2021.
Quote from: tower912 on August 30, 2024, 07:27:51 PM
Crapaloosa.
Yeah. Think of all the horses that had to live with worms in their guts because of the shortage of Ivermectin inventory.
I'm surprised Muggsy hasn't chimed in.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 30, 2024, 07:42:08 PM
To be fair, Lenny's probably can't remember much from 2021.
My stalker returns
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on August 30, 2024, 09:07:03 PM
I gladly stalk nonsense.
No, you just "gladly" (uncontrollably) stalk. Friendless, loner, obsessed, loser. You fit the profile perfectly.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 30, 2024, 06:55:53 PM
When Covid becomes a problem again? It's a pretty big problem right now. We're just learning to live with it instead of hiding in our basements.
Lenny, you are right in that people are still getting sick from it. But it is a totally different virus now than it was originally. More flu like and less killer. If it was always this way everyone would have treated it like the flu originally and life would have gone on as usual. But it wasn't, so they didn't.
Quote from: Shooter McGavin on August 31, 2024, 05:19:45 AM
Lenny, you are right in that people are still getting sick from it. But it is a totally different virus now than it was originally. More flu like and less killer. If it was always this way everyone would have treated it like the flu originally and life would have gone on as usual. But it wasn't, so they didn't.
Exactly.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on August 30, 2024, 10:26:33 PM
No, you just "gladly" (uncontrollably) stalk. Friendless, loner, obsessed, loser. You fit the profile perfectly.
Yikes.
Quote from: tower912 on August 30, 2024, 05:28:13 PM
Marely doing a bit. I will rein it in.
I'm horse from laughing at all the stupid puns.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 31, 2024, 11:35:34 AM
I'm horse from laughing at all the stupid puns.
Stupid puns? Neigh!
Hoof you been listening to? There are no stupid puns.
Quote from: warriorchick on August 31, 2024, 11:35:34 AM
I'm horse from laughing at all the stupid puns.
Hay! I've got good puns.
Maybe its time we reign in the puns...
I would rather make it rein than rain them in.
some people seem to try to hard sometimes to be noticed
Quote from: rocket surgeon on September 01, 2024, 07:33:01 AM
some people seem to try to hard sometimes to be noticed
Stable.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on September 01, 2024, 07:33:01 AM
some people seem to try to hard sometimes to be noticed
...true, but Rico doesn't have friends. Scoop, apparently, is it. So, we'll let him play along.
Quote from: Viper on September 02, 2024, 07:49:38 AM
...true, but Rico doesn't have friends. Scoop, apparently, is it. So, we'll let him play along.
You're the one that sent me a DM asking to meet for a beer
Quote from: Uncle Rico on September 02, 2024, 07:58:19 AM
You're the one that sent me a DM asking to meet for a beer
I did. You never replied. I also DM'd Sultan. He had no interest in grabbing a beer but at least was decent enough to reply .