https://www.wuwm.com/2024-07-16/a-complete-dud-restaurants-and-businesses-around-fiserv-forum-are-struggling
Some of you know that I have a connection with Doc's.
Add to the discussion the number of businesses that closed doors for the week. I office in the US Bank tower and everything is either closed or limited. The bank branch itself is closed for the week. The Courthouse is working on zoom, but no trials.
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on July 17, 2024, 08:45:21 AM
https://www.wuwm.com/2024-07-16/a-complete-dud-restaurants-and-businesses-around-fiserv-forum-are-struggling
Some of you know that I have a connection with Doc's.
Add to the discussion the number of businesses that closed doors for the week. I office in the US Bank tower and everything is either closed or limited. The bank branch itself is closed for the week. The Courthouse is working on zoom, but no trials.
I can guarantee sex workers are making bank with the family value and evangelical wings in town
I have heard that the economic impact of these things are usually not all that great. Local citizens just don't go out, and while the hotels are doing well, most of the delegates are involved in pre-arranged events or just end up not wandering all that far away from the site.
I honestly wonder if the "terrible city" comments impacted the local businesses. I heard prior to the event that venues that expected to be booked the whole week weren't getting any calls and that many of the politicians were afraid to go out in Milwaukee and were instead going to Waukesha restaurants. I don't know if there's any truth to that, but I can't imagine the events of the past week would have helped allay any such concerns, even if they were unfounded from the start.
But I think businesses near the arena in Charlotte expressed similar frustrations when they hosted. People just don't go out all that far away from the arena.
It's a huge cost for Chicago too with the DNC coming up. Running more trains, tons of police overtime. Thankfully we sequestered the convention over by the United Center which is outside of the main neighborhoods.
I greatly overestimated the RNC's impact on my daily life. Traffic looks to be pretty normal or even quicker.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 17, 2024, 09:00:48 AM
But I think businesses near the arena in Charlotte expressed similar frustrations when they hosted. People just don't go out all that far away from the arena.
Yeah, but even venues close to the arena are struggling. Doc's Smokehouse is right across the street from the convention center. It really doesn't get much closer than that.
Though the storms on Monday night also had an impact. Everyone in attendance stayed in the Fiserv Forum during the thunderstorms until late into the night. They weren't expecting to sell much food at Fiserv, but ended up selling more food Monday night than they did during the entire NBA Finals when the Bucks won it in 2021.
They're asking a server who she's voting for before they order?
Quote from: brewcity77 on July 17, 2024, 08:57:50 AM
I honestly wonder if the "terrible city" comments impacted the local businesses. I heard prior to the event that venues that expected to be booked the whole week weren't getting any calls and that many of the politicians were afraid to go out in Milwaukee and were instead going to Waukesha restaurants. I don't know if there's any truth to that, but I can't imagine the events of the past week would have helped allay any such concerns, even if they were unfounded from the start.
Little to zero impact in outlying counties.
This is more a matter of the pre-arranged gatherings and parties being held. I don't think party affiliation matters one iota.
Plus, when you couple the degeneracy of the family values and evangelical crowd, lord knows what those people are doing behind closed doors. Probably better their sewage isn't getting exposed to more of our outstanding downtown establishments
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2024, 09:37:51 AM
Little to zero impact in outlying counties.
This is more a matter of the pre-arranged gatherings and parties being held. I don't think party affiliation matters one iota.
I agree with this. And the DC political crowd is notoriously insular anyway, even within DC. A vast majority of convention attendees are used to going to specific restaurants, bars, etc. affiliated with their party or lobby or whoever even when they are in DC. And a significant number have tight schedules, handlers pointing them to specific meetings, etc. This was never going to be a big, spread out party with lots of people exploring the city with money and time to blow.
The loss is really from pre planned events. When the DNC was supposed to be here many businesses were booked out all week.
A well known french spot had groups that wanted to rent their place from 8am-2am every day. A popular Milwauke sports bar got a non refundable despoit from a news outlet for $35,000.
For the last 7 months these same groups waited and waited (and called and called) but nothing materialized. Even the haves in the Milwaukee scene (think those featured on Top Chef) were largely shut out.
Foot traffic was never supposed to be the big driver but the lack of planned events is really bad.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2024, 09:37:51 AM
Plus, when you couple the degeneracy of the family values and evangelical crowd, lord knows what those people are doing behind closed doors.
Enjoying the sausage, apparently.
https://x.com/computer_gay/status/1813392864094687268?t=U5jRHn2HvWWDB3cnHyEWxw&s=19
Quote from: MUfan12 on July 17, 2024, 10:41:24 AM
Enjoying the sausage, apparently.
https://x.com/computer_gay/status/1813392864094687268?t=U5jRHn2HvWWDB3cnHyEWxw&s=19
That's on Grindr. With that many evangelicals and family values folks in town, they should have been prepared for unprecedented traffic.
Sir
My office is directly next to The Pfister and we are working this week and taking in the action. I have been surprised by the lack of people in the area and all I see is empty restaurants and bars. I had after work cocktails at The Pfister yesterday and there was a buzz there and it was enjoyable. I went to breakfast at Brunch today and two people in there.
Quote from: MUBurrow on July 17, 2024, 09:52:44 AM
I agree with this. And the DC political crowd is notoriously insular anyway, even within DC. A vast majority of convention attendees are used to going to specific restaurants, bars, etc. affiliated with their party or lobby or whoever even when they are in DC. And a significant number have tight schedules, handlers pointing them to specific meetings, etc. This was never going to be a big, spread out party with lots of people exploring the city with money and time to blow.
I spent quite a bit of time in DC on business and had a fair amount of contact with some of the "DC political crowd". Your comments are spot on.
I know it's been good in The Quon. Got this text from the woman who worked for me and bought my restaurant there:
We are getting SO much business from the RNC!! JD Vance's wife was in today! Secret service in tow. Got her hair done at EON!!
The secret service sitting at our bar today and grabbing food from the deli was definitely a sight!!!
I heard Concordia University rented out their dorms for convention goers.
21 Jump
I live out in Elm Grove and it does appear places in Brookfield are busy. Seems like all of the hotels around Brookfield Square are delegate hotels and that is helping out that way. No doubt people have to eat and drink, just not very busy downtown.
Quote from: 21Jumpstreet on July 17, 2024, 11:23:37 AM
I know it's been good in The Quon. Got this text from the woman who worked for me and bought my restaurant there:
We are getting SO much business from the RNC!! JD Vance's wife was in today! Secret service in tow. Got her hair done at EON!!
The secret service sitting at our bar today and grabbing food from the deli was definitely a sight!!!
I heard Concordia University rented out their dorms for convention goers.
Grindr numbers in Mequon always outpace the rest of Milwaukee, so that checks out
Marquette had 1500 guests, mostly federal (FBI, Secret Service etc) staying on campus. Every dorm is being used. That's good found revenue for MU.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 17, 2024, 09:03:30 AM
It's a huge cost for Chicago too with the DNC coming up. Running more trains
So that's what it takes for Dorval to do his job!
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 17, 2024, 12:13:31 PM
So that's what it takes for Dorval to do his job!
You joke, but that guy is the best of the best. He's getting people trained up quickly to replace the covid attrition. It's just a mandated process that takes years for CTA drivers.
No way I want him replaced to see who Brandon Johnson puts in his place
I have a friend who has attended/been involved with a bunch of DNCs over the last number of years and she says for a lot of people, including herself, the vast majority of their schedule (and thus revenue from attendees) is set well before they ever arrive in town.
I saw a tweet showing the Public Market nearly empty at 3PM during the convention...like what do they expect? Coming to town for the RNC/DNC is not like coming for Summerfest or a Harley event
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 17, 2024, 12:23:24 PM
You joke, but that guy is the best of the best. He's getting people trained up quickly to replace the covid attrition. It's just a mandated process that takes years for CTA drivers.
No way I want him replaced to see who Brandon Johnson puts in his place
To your first point I disagree, service is craptastic and safety & cleanliness are wayyyy down. I'm 2 blocks off the Harlem blue line and bike past that to the Harlem green line because I'd rather be hotboxed by teens smoking than be next to people jacking it or see people drop trousers and dump one out (both on platform & cars). Not to mention the insanely slow outdated service, if it comes at all. But I'll give you that training takes awhile but anyone who defaults to "the people criticizing me just don't want to see a black man be successful" can't be taken serious.
I 100% agree about not wanting to see who Johnson would replace him with but I think JB would need to approve the person? Or is that just for the board?
Quote from: JWags85 on July 17, 2024, 12:30:38 PM
I have a friend who has attended/been involved with a bunch of DNCs over the last number of years and she says for a lot of people, including herself, the vast majority of their schedule (and thus revenue from attendees) is set well before they ever arrive in town.
I saw a tweet showing the Public Market nearly empty at 3PM during the convention...like what do they expect? Coming to town for the RNC/DNC is not like coming for Summerfest or a Harley event
Exactly. They're all there to work, not vacation.
Quote from: Galway Eagle on July 17, 2024, 12:57:43 PM
To your first point I disagree, service is craptastic and safety & cleanliness are wayyyy down. I'm 2 blocks off the Harlem blue line and bike past that to the Harlem green line because I'd rather be hotboxed by teens smoking than be next to people jacking it or see people drop trousers and dump one out (both on platform & cars). Not to mention the insanely slow outdated service, if it comes at all. But I'll give you that training takes awhile but anyone who defaults to "the people criticizing me just don't want to see a black man be successful" can't be taken serious.
I 100% agree about not wanting to see who Johnson would replace him with but I think JB would need to approve the person? Or is that just for the board?
That's funny, I have no problems on the Brown line. Cars smell like cleaning supplies and the platforms have been normal on the Brown/Red during commuting hours on the North side. Quantitatively, service continues to improve, though if I time it wrong, I have to wait 15 minutes sometimes, which needs to get better. Isn't the Blue Line getting all new livery? Those new trains are supposed to be pretty neat.
https://www.transitchicago.com/cta-updates-rail-timetables-to-reflect-increased-weekday-service-/
Went to lunch at the St. Kates and heard that The Trade rooftop has been jumping the last couple of nights. Nice bar crowd at SK and a very nice looking crowd.
Quote from: Goose on July 17, 2024, 01:09:55 PM
Went to lunch at the St. Kates and heard that The Trade rooftop has been jumping the last couple of nights. Nice bar crowd at SK and a very nice looking crowd.
https://biztimes.com/milwaukee-mayor-encourages-greater-support-for-downtown-businesses-during-rnc/
https://www.bizjournals.com/milwaukee/news/2024/07/17/restaurants-strive-to-attract-rnc-customers.html
The Mayor was expecting big business downtown and several business owners I have spoken with are not very happy with him. All said they expected better guidance on what to expect over touting great business. It is not his fault that places are not jammed, but he did talk a good game going into the week.
Quote from: Skatastrophy on July 17, 2024, 01:08:04 PM
That's funny, I have no problems on the Brown line. Cars smell like cleaning supplies and the platforms have been normal on the Brown/Red during commuting hours on the North side. Quantitatively, service continues to improve, though if I time it wrong, I have to wait 15 minutes sometimes, which needs to get better. Isn't the Blue Line getting all new livery? Those new trains are supposed to be pretty neat.
https://www.transitchicago.com/cta-updates-rail-timetables-to-reflect-increased-weekday-service-/
The new trains primarily just go to UIC during rush hour, been on a few new that get farther. The major difference imo is the TV camera monitor that switches through the train. But if the crowd on it is used to breaking the social contract it doesn't do much. Service wise they rebuilt some of the tracks last fall so now it's relatively fast past the Medical district but to give you an idea how slow it is farther west I biked along 290 last night to publican (OP) and beat the train I'd have taken if I road the two stops, and I'm not a strong biker.
At least the brown line's nice, that and the northbound part of the red are pretty imperative to our tourism industry.
Quote from: Goose on July 17, 2024, 01:26:19 PM
The Mayor was expecting big business downtown and several business owners I have spoken with are not very happy with him. All said they expected better guidance on what to expect over touting great business. It is not his fault that places are not jammed, but he did talk a good game going into the week.
The DNC laid a blueprint. Uber and Tesla and companies of their ilk made big investments. Renting out top Milwaukee venues for the entire week. Many of those same venues kept their slots clear, turned off Open Table, turned away weddings etc. They were advised to do this by a joint group of RNC staff and the Milwaukee organizing / hosting committee. In the last two months it became apparent, no one was coming so now even the most connected had to go into scramble mode. Local RNC folks sorta of through up their hands, they had no control.
And when those "welll connected" venues are booked solid, the smaller ones get good left overs. They were banking on trickle down. There's been no trickle down.
Personally I think Trump has upended the normal convention protocols and in 4 years the RNC will probably go back to the standard fare. One could argue, the lack of special interests is good. However MKE was promised those companies and it didn't happen. Remember leadership of the RNC changed significantly after the convention was awarded to MKE.
The Lens
If they knew no one was coming a couple of months ago they should have been telling the smaller joints in the area. Talk was big on the economic boost for the city and it sure it is not happening on Milwaukee. Carnevor seems to have the best action on the street. I truly feel badly for the business owners I have spoken with. They all say they were told "don't worry about no reservations, people have to eat and drink somewhere."
I don't think it is a lack of people, just a lack of regular folks staying downtown. Everyone at The Pfister or St. Kate's is big donor or media and they are going to private events. Average delegate is staying 10+ miles from downtown or so it seems.
Pretty sure Harp on the river has $2 car bombs on Wednesday. That should help
Quote from: The Lens on July 17, 2024, 02:24:12 PM
The DNC laid a blueprint. Uber and Tesla and companies of their ilk made big investments. Renting out top Milwaukee venues for the entire week. Many of those same venues kept their slots clear, turned off Open Table, turned away weddings etc. They were advised to do this by a joint group of RNC staff and the Milwaukee organizing / hosting committee. In the last two months it became apparent, no one was coming so now even the most connected had to go into scramble mode. Local RNC folks sorta of through up their hands, they had no control.
And when those "welll connected" venues are booked solid, the smaller ones get good left overs. They were banking on trickle down. There's been no trickle down.
Personally I think Trump has upended the normal convention protocols and in 4 years the RNC will probably go back to the standard fare. One could argue, the lack of special interests is good. However MKE was promised those companies and it didn't happen. Remember leadership of the RNC changed significantly after the convention was awarded to MKE.
You really have to stop making these logical, well thought out posts.
Goose talks to people. It's the mayor's fault.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 17, 2024, 03:14:02 PM
You really have to stop making these logical, well thought out posts.
Goose talks to people. It's the mayor's fault.
I for one am shocked - shocked! - to learn that an elected official would hype up the economic benefits of a major event coming to their city.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2024, 08:47:26 AM
I can guarantee sex workers are making bank with the family value and evangelical wings in town
Sounds like you know from first hand experience.
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 17, 2024, 03:34:54 PM
Sounds like you know from first hand experience.
Nope. Just common sense.
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 17, 2024, 03:34:54 PM
Sounds like you know from first hand experience.
Or he can read.
It's been a great week for gay escorts in Cleveland.
Male prostitutes contacted by The Post said business is booming and Republican National Convention attendees — most of them married — are clamoring for their services.
"Business has been way better. I've seen 10 clients so far," one male escort said.https://nypost.com/2016/07/21/male-escorts-are-making-crazy-money-at-the-rnc/
https://rollcall.com/2012/08/26/sex-trade-welcomes-gop-to-tampa-with-open-arms/
Good! Sounds like everyone is having a good time then!
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 17, 2024, 03:51:10 PM
Good! Sounds like everyone is having a good time then!
Win-win for everyone, really. Having personal freedom over your body and sexual choices is a wonderful thing.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2024, 03:53:08 PM
Win-win for everyone, really. Having personal freedom over your body and sexual choices is a wonderful thing.
Yep. And the wife gets a few nights of not having to deal with the husband who obviously isn't all that interested. So she can get a little tipsy on Moscato and bang the pool boy.
Win-win indeed.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 17, 2024, 03:56:10 PM
Yep. And the wife gets a few nights of not having to deal with the husband who obviously isn't all that interested. So she can get a little tipsy on Moscato and bang the pool boy.
Win-win indeed.
Evangelical pool boys have a history with wives.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 17, 2024, 03:49:22 PM
Or he can read.
It's been a great week for gay escorts in Cleveland.
Male prostitutes contacted by The Post said business is booming and Republican National Convention attendees — most of them married — are clamoring for their services.
"Business has been way better. I've seen 10 clients so far," one male escort said.
https://nypost.com/2016/07/21/male-escorts-are-making-crazy-money-at-the-rnc/
https://rollcall.com/2012/08/26/sex-trade-welcomes-gop-to-tampa-with-open-arms/
Glad to see MU Journalism degrees being used.
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 17, 2024, 04:09:14 PM
Glad to see MU Journalism degrees being used.
If you think any of these politicians are school boys, you're sorely mistaken.
You only need to look at how many of them have been convicted of sex crimes.
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Edit: In all honesty, y'all are probably right. The RNC shakeup likely led to a disruption in corporate partnerships going into the events, and I bet whatever committees they have got shaken up with their purse being an unknown. Assuming the RNC/DNC runs like a corporate conference.
Apparently the economic dud extends to TV as the ratings for the first two nights are very significantly down compared to RNC 2020 and 2016.
I thought 2020 was cancelled and there was no platform.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 17, 2024, 07:22:49 PM
Apparently the economic dud extends to TV as the ratings for the first two nights are very significantly down compared to RNC 2020 and 2016.
Sad! Low energy! Nobody is watching!
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 17, 2024, 07:22:49 PM
Apparently the economic dud extends to TV as the ratings for the first two nights are very significantly down compared to RNC 2020 and 2016.
Conventions are doomed!
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2024, 07:31:40 PM
Sad! Low energy! Nobody is watching!
The true threat to democracy (where 14 million voters are disenfranchised) next month in Chicago should draw better ratings.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2024, 09:37:51 AM
Little to zero impact in outlying counties.
This is more a matter of the pre-arranged gatherings and parties being held. I don't think party affiliation matters one iota.
Plus, when you couple the degeneracy of the family values and evangelical crowd, lord knows what those people are doing behind closed doors. Probably better their sewage isn't getting exposed to more of our outstanding downtown establishments
How's business at Serb Hall, hey?
Revenue at MUScoop is up 50% over last year. We're fully booked. But I suspect that's Nigel.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 17, 2024, 03:42:02 PM
Nope. Just common sense.
so did you up your prices? I heard regular penicillin just doesn't cut it anymore, so you better load up on the broader spectrum stuff, good salt water rinses, keep a good anti-fungal readily handy. careful with the heather regions rinses as they can remove good microbiome opening the door to opportunistic infections. you should probably change your logistics/nicknames after the convention to avoid scams and probably a good idea to schedule an appointment with your og-gyn Monday am...be safe out there
Quote from: Lennys Tap on July 17, 2024, 09:12:23 PM
The true threat to democracy (where 14 million voters are disenfranchised) next month in Chicago should draw better ratings.
True. Disasters always draw better ratings.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 18, 2024, 02:38:24 AM
so did you up your prices? I heard regular penicillin just doesn't cut it anymore, so you better load up on the broader spectrum stuff, good salt water rinses, keep a good anti-fungal readily handy. careful with the heather regions rinses as they can remove good microbiome opening the door to opportunistic infections. you should probably change your logistics/nicknames after the convention to avoid scams and probably a good idea to schedule an appointment with your og-gyn Monday am...be safe out there
Thanks! Since I am an evangelical Christian, I probably am loaded with all kinds of VD.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on July 17, 2024, 09:45:32 PM
How's business at Serb Hall, hey?
I doubt anyone from the RNC is going to something that sounds ethnic
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on July 17, 2024, 07:22:49 PM
Apparently the economic dud extends to TV as the ratings for the first two nights are very significantly down compared to RNC 2020 and 2016.
Not surprising. I would say close to 90% of Americans decided long ago whether they will vote R or D. They don't even care who the name on the ticket is, and certainly aren't going to waste time watching a bunch of morons lie/showboat on state.
That leaves 10% that are actually thinking about this, and many of them, really don't care about a convention, and convention speeches.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2024, 06:00:53 AM
I doubt anyone from the RNC is going to something that sounds ethnic
But in this case Serbs and Russians are best of friends so...
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 18, 2024, 07:40:02 AM
But in this case Serbs and Russians are best of friends so...
That's true. A good chunk of the speakers at the RNC are owned by Russia
Quote from: tower912 on July 17, 2024, 07:26:52 PM
I thought 2020 was cancelled and there was no platform.
How could you have forgotten Kimberly's weird shouty speech?!??
Quote from: rocket surgeon on July 18, 2024, 02:38:24 AM
so did you up your prices? I heard regular penicillin just doesn't cut it anymore, so you better load up on the broader spectrum stuff, good salt water rinses, keep a good anti-fungal readily handy. careful with the heather regions rinses as they can remove good microbiome opening the door to opportunistic infections. you should probably change your logistics/nicknames after the convention to avoid scams and probably a good idea to schedule an appointment with your og-gyn Monday am...be safe out there
Isn't roqqet cute? He thinks calling someone both gay and female are insults.
Having major event like the RNC has less to do with direct economic impact and more to do with showcasing a city. Milwaukee's business expectations were particularly unrealistic given the wide distribution of lodging for delegates. I believe four years ago when the Democrats selected Milwaukee (later cancelled), some of the delegates were projected to stay as far away as the O'Hare area in Chicago.
Nashville understood this, which is why the Metropolitan Council rejected the chance to hold the RNC there.
As a side note, the Chicago Tribune reported yesterday that the Illinois delegation was meeting in "Oak Hill" WI. Unless I'm missing something (which I doubt), I suspect they meant Oak CREEK. Our mighty newspaper in Chicago needs serious copy editing and fact checking. That or the reporter didn't bother to check where he was!
Quote from: forgetful on July 18, 2024, 06:57:51 AM
Not surprising. I would say close to 90% of Americans decided long ago whether they will vote R or D. They don't even care who the name on the ticket is, and certainly aren't going to waste time watching a bunch of morons lie/showboat on state.
That leaves 10% that are actually thinking about this, and many of them, really don't care about a convention, and convention speeches.
Rocky's edit: (In MU82 voice...) I watched the coverage last night
Quote from: Goose on July 17, 2024, 02:50:55 PM
The Lens
If they knew no one was coming a couple of months ago they should have been telling the smaller joints in the area. Talk was big on the economic boost for the city and it sure it is not happening on Milwaukee. Carnevor seems to have the best action on the street. I truly feel badly for the business owners I have spoken with. They all say they were told "don't worry about no reservations, people have to eat and drink somewhere."
I don't think it is a lack of people, just a lack of regular folks staying downtown. Everyone at The Pfister or St. Kate's is big donor or media and they are going to private events. Average delegate is staying 10+ miles from downtown or so it seems.
They did. Word has been circulating in the community for the last 6 months. And then Gary Witt went very public last month, so did Adam Seigel's team.
The challenging thing is there was still inferences of big groups post 10pm. That makes staffing, food procurement difficult.
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 18, 2024, 09:29:09 AM
Having major event like the RNC has less to do with direct economic impact and more to do with showcasing a city. Milwaukee's business expectations were particularly unrealistic given the wide distribution of lodging for delegates. I believe four years ago when the Democrats selected Milwaukee (later cancelled), some of the delegates were projected to stay as far away as the O'Hare area in Chicago.
Nashville understood this, which is why the Metropolitan Council rejected the chance to hold the RNC there.
As a side note, the Chicago Tribune reported yesterday that the Illinois delegation was meeting in "Oak Hill" WI. Unless I'm missing something (which I doubt), I suspect they meant Oak CREEK. Our mighty newspaper in Chicago needs serious copy editing and fact checking. That or the reporter didn't bother to check where he was!
This shows the disparity between the two. You can book nights at the Four Points Sheraton on Brown Deer for under $400 this week.
Quote from: MU82 on July 18, 2024, 09:31:32 AM
And that was quite the LieFest last night, wasn't it? Lies-a-plenty about crime, immigration, Dementia Don's Iraq War stance, Jan. 6, and especially the economy. But as you said, the vast, vast, vast majority of people who subjected themselves to LieFest don't care; as always, cultists believe anything their lords tell them.
Democrats only ever tell the truth, right?
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 18, 2024, 09:37:53 AM
Democrats only ever tell the truth, right?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 18, 2024, 09:29:09 AM
As a side note, the Chicago Tribune reported yesterday that the Illinois delegation was meeting in "Oak Hill" WI. Unless I'm missing something (which I doubt), I suspect they meant Oak CREEK. Our mighty newspaper in Chicago needs serious copy editing and fact checking. That or the reporter didn't bother to check where he was!
Yeah the Trib sucks. Alden Global Capital bought them in 2021 and slashed staff/budget. Newsroom slashed in half since 2019.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 18, 2024, 09:50:04 AM
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_equivalence
Something something glass houses as well.
If you're the party that points at the other as liars, then you better not be telling whoppers either.
I never said they were equivalent, but hypocrisy is a big turn off for any independent voter.
"oh well, they lie little less, so I guess..."
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 18, 2024, 09:37:53 AM
Democrats only ever tell the truth, right?
Correct - in the famous words of George Costanza "it's not a lie if you believe it"
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AM
Something something glass houses as well.
If you're the party that points at the other as liars, then you better not be telling whoppers either.
I never said they were equivalent, but hypocrisy is a big turn off for any independent voter.
"oh well, they lie little less, so I guess..."
All Lies Matter.
Quote from: MU82 on July 18, 2024, 09:31:32 AM
Rocky's edit: (In MU82 voice...) I watched the coverage last night
I was going to ask MU:
1. if he watched the coverage, and
if so, why? All it is at any convention is rhetoric and bombastic speeches to appeal to their constituency and inflame the other side.
Sounds like it worked. I didn't watch
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2024, 10:14:41 AM
I was going to ask MU:
1. if he watched the coverage, and
if so, why? All it is at any convention is rhetoric and bombastic speeches to appeal to their constituency and inflame the other side.
Sounds like it worked. I didn't watch
I'm a bit of a political junkie, and I believe it's important to know what's going on. So yes I watched some. Couldn't watch anywhere near all because there's just too much, but I watched several recaps of the "highlights."
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 18, 2024, 09:59:10 AM
Something something glass houses as well.
If you're the party that points at the other as liars, then you better not be telling whoppers either.
I never said they were equivalent, but hypocrisy is a big turn off for any independent voter.
"oh well, they lie little less, so I guess..."
Correct. It's nowhere near equivalent.
I was planning to watch because I like the election season and because it was in Milwaukee. But when it came time to turn on the TV, Netflix seemed more appealing.
Article featuring owner of Doc's BBQ (which is a great btw):
https://www.wuwm.com/2024-07-16/a-complete-dud-restaurants-and-businesses-around-fiserv-forum-are-struggling (https://www.wuwm.com/2024-07-16/a-complete-dud-restaurants-and-businesses-around-fiserv-forum-are-struggling)
It's like I saw that somewhere before Lens...
Quote from: Sir Lawrence on July 17, 2024, 08:45:21 AM
https://www.wuwm.com/2024-07-16/a-complete-dud-restaurants-and-businesses-around-fiserv-forum-are-struggling
Some of you know that I have a connection with Doc's.
Add to the discussion the number of businesses that closed doors for the week. I office in the US Bank tower and everything is either closed or limited. The bank branch itself is closed for the week. The Courthouse is working on zoom, but no trials.
Quote from: MU82 on July 18, 2024, 10:37:28 AM
I'm a bit of a political junkie, and I believe it's important to know what's going on. So yes I watched some. Couldn't watch anywhere near all because there's just too much, but I watched several recaps of the "highlights."
Correct. It's nowhere near equivalent.
Hmm, lying to USA public for four years on Joe's cognitive state, doesn't seem to be anything serious.
Quote from: rocky_warrior on July 18, 2024, 03:04:29 PM
It's like I saw that somewhere before Lens...
Sorry, I knew Sir Larry posted about Doc's --- i didn't realize he linked the article. My bad.
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 18, 2024, 03:09:47 PM
Hmm, lying to USA public for four years on Joe's cognitive state, doesn't seem to be anything serious.
30,573
And honest Joe?
Did it break the counter?
Or maybe to be political correct we don't do that for people that are mentally handicapped.
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 18, 2024, 04:16:19 PM
And honest Joe?
Did it break the counter?
Or maybe to be political correct we don't do that for people that are mentally handicapped.
Oh, he's nowhere near that number. Don't be silly.
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 18, 2024, 04:16:19 PM
And honest Joe?
Did it break the counter?
Or maybe to be political correct we don't do that for people that are mentally handicapped.
Keep lying to yourself that they are both the same if it makes you feel better. Maybe go waste some of your money at a gaudy second-rate "resort"
Somebody sounds sad.
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 18, 2024, 04:16:19 PM
And honest Joe?
Did it break the counter?
Or maybe to be political correct we don't do that for people that are mentally handicapped.
Tell us again how your dream is to hang out with a convicted rapist. Love to hear how your Marquette education led you there.
Quote from: NCMUFan on July 18, 2024, 04:16:19 PM
And honest Joe?
Did it break the counter?
Or maybe to be political correct we don't do that for people that are mentally handicapped.
You kids may have to find something else to argue about.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/obama-says-biden-must-consider-viability/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/obama-says-biden-must-consider-viability/)
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2024, 04:27:55 PM
You kids may have to find something else to argue about.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/obama-says-biden-must-consider-viability/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/obama-says-biden-must-consider-viability/)
Oh I have no doubt they're coming up with all kinds of nasty b.s. to spread about any of the contenders to replace Biden. That's what they do.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on July 18, 2024, 04:23:33 PM
Tell us again how your dream is to hang out with a convicted rapist. Love to hear how your Marquette education led you there.
Mr. Trump's favorite book is the Bible. There hasn't been a point in his life where the teachings of it haven't guided his decision making.
It's refreshing as an evangelical Christian to have the faith and belief in a man who has lead his life on the teachings of Christ and the Holy Father lead our country.
A man of no avarice, lust, greed or narcissism is what we need at the moment. We need a man of faith, a man who lives the faith. Mr. Trump is that man.
Quote from: lawdog77 on July 18, 2024, 04:27:55 PM
You kids may have to find something else to argue about.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/obama-says-biden-must-consider-viability/ (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2024/07/18/obama-says-biden-must-consider-viability/)
Very nice of Barrack.
Quote from: Pakuni on July 18, 2024, 04:46:21 PM
Cognitive decline, you say?
Forget it, he's rolling
Thanks, worth a chuckle.
People who were so receptive of a Kenyan Muslim in the White House are now freaking the F out about a true man of god getting a second chance 🤨
Quote from: Plaque Lives Matter! on July 18, 2024, 06:03:11 PM
People who were so receptive of a Kenyan Muslim in the White House are now freaking the F out about a true man of god getting a second chance 🤨
The best part of that take was the same people who were convinced he was Muslim were the same that were unbelievably outraged by his pastor's (admittedly terrible) remarks. So he was one of those Muslims that are loyal to African American baptist churches!
Good news. Sounds like downtown business was much healthier the last two days. Hopefully, that alleviated the stress of the first few days.
Nl
Wondering if more people came into town for the big speakers.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on July 19, 2024, 07:40:11 AM
Wondering if more people came into town for the big speakers.
Makes sense. My guess is locals also figured out how to navigate the security perimeter to get back downtown
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 18, 2024, 04:30:28 PM
Mr. Trump's favorite book is the Bible. There hasn't been a point in his life where the teachings of it haven't guided his decision making.
It's refreshing as an evangelical Christian to have the faith and belief in a man who has lead his life on the teachings of Christ and the Holy Father lead our country.
A man of no avarice, lust, greed or narcissism is what we need at the moment. We need a man of faith, a man who lives the faith. Mr. Trump is that man.
Let's see now -- there's that commandment against coveting thy neighbor's wife.
There's that commandment against lying.
There's that commandment against false Gods.
There's Jesus' admonition to "love thy neighbor as thyself."
I do not understand why Evangelical Christians could ever support the current Republican nominee.
The nominee's actions are a walking, talking permanent advertisement for Satanical virtue. If you really want to evaluate a person on adherence to Biblical and Christian principles, Barack Obama is your guy. He's faithful to his wife, he's a good father who was active in his children's lives, he was respectful of his elders and even had his mother-in-law living with him in the White House. His actions, however you politically feel about President Obama, were in keeping with Jesus' teachings of feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, caring for the sick etc.
If you don't like President Obama, there's always President Carter, who was the living, breathing embodiment of Christian virtue.
Look, frequent Scoopers know I'm no great lefty. I'm what George H.W. Bush once called a compassionate conservative. In that vein, I have no use for a man whose primary campaign weapon is ridicule, distortion and fear-mongering. I try to take my Christianity seriously and while I don't always succeed, the virtue is in doing you best for God and your fellow man. The Republican nominee clashes with every single Christian teaching I ever learned.
That's why I hate this election so much. The other guy -- or gal depending on what the Democrats do -- hardly excites me either.
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 19, 2024, 09:19:09 AM
Let's see now -- there's that commandment against coveting thy neighbor's wife.
There's that commandment against lying.
There's that commandment against false Gods.
There's Jesus' admonition to "love thy neighbor as thyself."
I do not understand why Evangelical Christians could ever support the current Republican nominee.
The nominee's actions are a walking, talking permanent advertisement for Satanical virtue. If you really want to evaluate a person on adherence to Biblical and Christian principles, Barack Obama is your guy. He's faithful to his wife, he's a good father who was active in his children's lives, he was respectful of his elders and even had his mother-in-law living with him in the White House. His actions, however you politically feel about President Obama, were in keeping with Jesus' teachings of feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, caring for the sick etc.
If you don't like President Obama, there's always President Carter, who was the living, breathing embodiment of Christian virtue.
Look, frequent Scoopers know I'm no great lefty. I'm what George H.W. Bush once called a compassionate conservative. In that vein, I have no use for a man whose primary campaign weapon is ridicule, distortion and fear-mongering. I try to take my Christianity seriously and while I don't always succeed, the virtue is in doing you best for God and your fellow man. The Republican nominee clashes with every single Christian teaching I ever learned.
That's why I hate this election so much. The other guy -- or gal depending on what the Democrats do -- hardly excites me either.
I wish you all the luck with this post.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on July 19, 2024, 09:21:55 AM
I wish you all the luck with this post.
Brother Hards:
Thanks, I'm probably going to need it!
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 19, 2024, 09:19:09 AM
Let's see now -- there's that commandment against coveting thy neighbor's wife.
There's that commandment against lying.
There's that commandment against false Gods.
There's Jesus' admonition to "love thy neighbor as thyself."
I do not understand why Evangelical Christians could ever support the current Republican nominee.
The nominee's actions are a walking, talking permanent advertisement for Satanical virtue. If you really want to evaluate a person on adherence to Biblical and Christian principles, Barack Obama is your guy. He's faithful to his wife, he's a good father who was active in his children's lives, he was respectful of his elders and even had his mother-in-law living with him in the White House. His actions, however you politically feel about President Obama, were in keeping with Jesus' teachings of feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, caring for the sick etc.
If you don't like President Obama, there's always President Carter, who was the living, breathing embodiment of Christian virtue.
Look, frequent Scoopers know I'm no great lefty. I'm what George H.W. Bush once called a compassionate conservative. In that vein, I have no use for a man whose primary campaign weapon is ridicule, distortion and fear-mongering. I try to take my Christianity seriously and while I don't always succeed, the virtue is in doing you best for God and your fellow man. The Republican nominee clashes with every single Christian teaching I ever learned.
That's why I hate this election so much. The other guy -- or gal depending on what the Democrats do -- hardly excites me either.
I disagree
Quote from: Uncle Rico on July 19, 2024, 09:38:06 AM
I disagree
Uncle Rico:
While I understand and appreciate your commitment to Biblical teaching and a commitment to loving your neighbor as yourself, I have a tough time with the Evangelical MAGAs.
I grew up in a city which once proudly called itself "The Buckle of the Bible Belt." I saw Evangelical Christians who praised the Lord on Sunday and firebombed our African-American brothers' and sisters' homes because, God forbid, they demand their constitutional rights as American citizens. I saw their intolerance toward anyone who didn't share their views -- including Jews, Catholics and many others. Their Evangelical Christianity, they said, somehow demanded it.
Don't get me wrong. One of the people for whom I have a deep, long-lasting and abiding respect is one of America's foremost Evangelical Christians -- President Jimmy Carter. I respected President Carter because he outwardly embodied the person I hope I am -- God-fearing, caring and loving. I'll bet you're the same way.
But the Republican nominee -- that's another story that I've already outlined.
Quote from: dgies9156 on July 19, 2024, 10:00:01 AM
Uncle Rico:
While I understand and appreciate your commitment to Biblical teaching and a commitment to loving your neighbor as yourself, I have a tough time with the Evangelical MAGAs.
I grew up in a city which once proudly called itself "The Buckle of the Bible Belt." I saw Evangelical Christians who praised the Lord on Sunday and firebombed our African-American brothers' and sisters' homes because, God forbid, they demand their constitutional rights as American citizens. I saw their intolerance toward anyone who didn't share their views -- including Jews, Catholics and many others. Their Evangelical Christianity, they said, somehow demanded it.
Don't get me wrong. One of the people for whom I have a deep, long-lasting and abiding respect is one of America's foremost Evangelical Christians -- President Jimmy Carter. I respected President Carter because he outwardly embodied the person I hope I am -- God-fearing, caring and loving. I'll bet you're the same way.
But the Republican nominee -- that's another story that I've already outlined.
They don't view those groups as people, so it makes their actions easier on their conscience when they treat them as subhuman.
It's a trick used by those claiming they're religious when it is really about the aesthetics more than following the foundational beliefs prescribed by their religion.