Don't do it Danny. Would be a huge mistake.
Many coaches have tried to make.the leap from college to the NBA. A few have succeeded. More have not. Don't mess with happy.
Stranger things have happened. On a side note, one could argue for all sports, in terms of necessity, the head coach is most important in NCAA basketball,and least important in the NBA.
If he succeeds, he will be one the greatest to ever do it.
If he fails (more likely, given the state of the Lakers roster and the rest of the league) he will be out of a job in 2 years.
Larry Brown is the only coach to win an NCAA championship and an NBA championship.
Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2024, 06:15:20 AM
Many coaches have tried to make.the leap from college to the NBA. A few have succeeded. More have not. Don't mess with happy.
No one could succeed with that job right now.
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 06, 2024, 06:15:58 AM
Stranger things have happened. On a side note, one could argue for all sports, in terms of necessity, the head coach is most important in NCAA basketball,and least important in the NBA.
Great point ld.
Surprised it's not Scott Drew
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 06:09:22 AM
Don't do it Danny. Would be a huge mistake.
Monetary wise, probably not.
Hurley's salary at UCONN is $5m per year. The top 5 NBA coaches range from $17M to 12M per year, all with at least five year guarantees. Just a guess, but I presume the Laker's offer would have to be in that range, since ESPN has reported it is a massive offer.
Are college coaches being fed up with the NIL hassles? NBA has player ego hassles, but the money, new challenges and notoriety of being a head coach for the most popular NBA franchise will be extremely enticing. Amazing how this came out of nowhere.
While I would hate to see him leave the BE, I hope he takes it. I am big fan of Hurley and if he can win in the NBA it would be an all time great coaching legacy. IMO, he is one guy that can make the transition and be successful at the next level.
Crean sucks
I am not feeling it. The Lakers gig is not a great one. Too much baggage. I remember Hurley's response to the Kentucky job, which likely would have paid in this ballpark. East coast guy. Maybe the money is enough. Maybe he feels like a new challenge. I think he stays put.
Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2024, 06:15:20 AM
Many coaches have tried to make.the leap from college to the NBA. A few have succeeded. More have not. Don't mess with happy.
Hoping like hell he stays, but right now he's at $5 million/year at UConn, he probably gets more than double that with the LeBrons (they're taking Bronny). If it doesn't work, nearly every program in college hoops would fire their coach to bring him in for $10 million/year. Pitino and Cal landed on their feet after failing in the NBA. Hurley will too.
And if he does jump, UConn players have 30 days to enter the Portal. Weird to realize NBA rosters have more stability than college rosters now.
He can do this at any time (ie next year after shooting for the three-peat). So I would imagine he only goes if LA carries something intriguing from a challenge standpoint.
That being said it's definitely not a mistake. He can take the contract and earn a ton of money plus would have a good plenty of options if it didn't work out.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 06:09:22 AM
Don't do it Danny. Would be a huge mistake.
I'm not sure if he takes it. And he definitely doesn't need to.
But if he did, calling it a mistake is insane.
He would get triple the money. Be able to try a new challenge and make himself a coaching legend. And if it fails, he can get paid boatloads to come back to college immediately
UConn options?
My first choice would be Steve Pikiell. Hasn't set the word on fire at Rutgers but I bet he'd kill it at UConn
Then I'd be curious if they go-a-poaching-a-fellow Big East coach like Sean Miller.
tower
Hurley has said many times that he has a dream of coaching in the NBA. I think this is a dream situation for him and he would be foolish not to take it. He proved over the past 1.5 seasons that he can put together a nearly unbeatable team/system in college and not many challenges ahead in college. In addition, the NIL and portal has made things crazy for coaches and it cannot be fun, unless you are Shaka.
rico
What about his brother?
Do it, Daniel. Do what's best for you and your family. You'd love LA
Quote from: Goose on June 06, 2024, 07:14:00 AM
rico
What about his brother?
I think he's far down the list at this moment.
If Pikiell wasn't 56, he's my 1A, 1B, 1C.
I think Sean Miller makes a lot of sense there and would kill it as well. He's 55, so they may want a younger guy
Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2024, 07:01:16 AM
I am not feeling it. The Lakers gig is not a great one. Too much baggage. I remember Hurley's response to the Kentucky job, which likely would have paid in this ballpark. East coast guy. Maybe the money is enough. Maybe he feels like a new challenge. I think he stays put.
The NBA is light years above Kentucky.
I think he takes it, but they'll need to give him a significant long-term deal. Nothing left to prove at UConn. And if it doesn't work, he can write his ticket back in college.
But my guess is that he would follow the Brad Stevens and Billy Donovan example and say "see ya later" to the college game entirely.
Quote from: Goose on June 06, 2024, 07:13:37 AM
tower
Hurley has said many times that he has a dream of coaching in the NBA. I think this is a dream situation for him and he would be foolish not to take it. He proved over the past 1.5 seasons that he can put together a nearly unbeatable team/system in college and not many challenges ahead in college. In addition, the NIL and portal has made things crazy for coaches and it cannot be fun, unless you are Shaka.
Goose, I have been wrong before. I will be wrong again. Perhaps this time. Just not feeling it.
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on June 06, 2024, 07:09:54 AM
I'm not sure if he takes it. And he definitely doesn't need to.
But if he did, calling it a mistake is insane.
He would get triple the money. Be able to try a new challenge and make himself a coaching legend. And if it fails, he can get paid boatloads to come back to college immediately
There's more to life than $. But if he takes it maybe we can get a few UCONN guys to MU.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 07:47:01 AM
I think he's far down the list at this moment.
If Pikiell wasn't 56, he's my 1A, 1B, 1C.
I think Sean Miller makes a lot of sense there and would kill it as well. He's 55, so they may want a younger guy
This late in the year with a 30-day portal window opening up, my guess is they promote Kimani Young.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 07:57:02 AM
There's more to life than $. But if he takes it maybe we can get a few UCONN guys to MU.
We don't have room for transfers.
Quote from: Goose on June 06, 2024, 07:13:37 AM
tower
Hurley has said many times that he has a dream of coaching in the NBA. I think this is a dream situation for him and he would be foolish not to take it. He proved over the past 1.5 seasons that he can put together a nearly unbeatable team/system in college and not many challenges ahead in college. In addition, the NIL and portal has made things crazy for coaches and it cannot be fun, unless you are Shaka.
100%. Recruiting, and all that comes with it...in this era? No thx. Maybe UConn is at the choosing rather than recruiting level, and the nba has its pitfalls, but not having to chase 17/18 yr olds and their parents...no alumni/booster back slapping...more-so managing egos of the best players in the world. NBA every time.
Not convinced that his pseudo-bully schtick will play at that level.
Based on UConn's plagued past of coaching transitions, his replacement will have wait an agonizing 2.5 years until he brings home his first Natty. How will they survive.
Hurleys coaching style won't translate to the NBA. You can't be that intense with pros and a 100 game schedule counting preseason and playoffs. I hope he stays at UCONN.
I always thought that Doug Collins would've been a great college coach. He burned himself out at every NBA job he had. He seemed to have a personality that would've worked much better in college, especially back at that time.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on June 06, 2024, 08:11:07 AM
Hurleys coaching style won't translate to the NBA. You can't be that intense with pros and a 100 game schedule counting preseason and playoffs. I hope he stays at UCONN.
I always thought that Doug Collins would've been a great college coach. He burned himself out at every NBA job he had. He seemed to have a personality that would've worked much better in college, especially back at that time.
I think Danny Hurley is smart enough to understand the differences and adjusts accordingly
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 08:12:34 AM
I think Danny Hurley is smart enough to understand the differences and adjusts accordingly
Definitely.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 07:13:04 AM
UConn options?
My first choice would be Steve Pikiell. Hasn't set the word on fire at Rutgers but I bet he'd kill it at UConn
Then I'd be curious if they go-a-poaching-a-fellow Big East coach like Sean Miller.
Pinkiell would be an excellent hire. He's won at Stony Brook, he's won at Rutgers and his killing it recruiting, but would he leave a Power 4 job in the new CBB environment? My guess is they promote Kimani Young. The guy has been grinding to climb the ladder in college hoops for 15 years and has successfully put his past behind him. There has to be a reason he hasn't bolted for his own HC job yet. Promoting him keeps the roster together.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 07:13:04 AM
UConn options?
My first choice would be Steve Pikiell. Hasn't set the word on fire at Rutgers but I bet he'd kill it at UConn
Then I'd be curious if they go-a-poaching-a-fellow Big East coach like Sean Miller.
Tom Crean to Uconn :D
Luke Murray?
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 06, 2024, 08:21:43 AM
Pinkiell would be an excellent hire. He's won at Stony Brook, he's won at Rutgers and his killing it recruiting, but would he leave a Power 4 job in the new CBB environment? My guess is they promote Kimani Young. The guy has been grinding to climb the ladder in college hoops for 15 years and has successfully put his past behind him. There has to be a reason he hasn't bolted for his own HC job yet. Promoting him keeps the roster together.
UConn is one of the top 5 jobs in the nation, imo, regardless of league. I know the money is different between leagues but Rutgers has a ceiling, UConn's is national titles
My guess on Lakers offer is 5 years/$100M.
Upcoming NBA media rights deal makes this type of commitment a lot easier for Buss.
The Lakers as presently constructed isn't a good roster. And they'll be worse if they draft Bronny and Hurley has to deal with thar circus. Truthfully if Boston loses to Dallas, Mazzulla may be canned. If Hurley is hell bent going to the NBA why not wait? I.hahe always subscribed to not messing with happy.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on June 06, 2024, 08:28:58 AM
My guess on Lakers offer is 5 years/$100M.
Upcoming NBA media rights deal makes this type of commitment a lot easier for Buss.
Yeah, this rights deal is going to make front offices flush with cash, and with the current CBA in place its not like they can just give more to the players. May as well pay the coach.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 07:13:04 AM
UConn options?
My first choice would be Steve Pikiell. Hasn't set the word on fire at Rutgers but I bet he'd kill it at UConn
Then I'd be curious if they go-a-poaching-a-fellow Big East coach like Sean Miller.
Considering what Rutgers was before, Pikiell has set the world on fire.
But they'll promote from within
Quote from: PGsHeroes32 on June 06, 2024, 07:09:54 AM
I'm not sure if he takes it. And he definitely doesn't need to.
But if he did, calling it a mistake is insane.
He would get triple the money. Be able to try a new challenge and make himself a coaching legend. And if it fails, he can get paid boatloads to come back to college immediately
Exactly
Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2024, 07:01:16 AM
I am not feeling it. The Lakers gig is not a great one. Too much baggage. I remember Hurley's response to the Kentucky job, which likely would have paid in this ballpark. East coast guy. Maybe the money is enough. Maybe he feels like a new challenge. I think he stays put.
He has accomplished so much at UConn. Maybe he feels it's time to move on. College sports is a s### show with NIL. Lakers are an iconic franchise with a tremendous fan base. Dude is a competitor, huge money on the table. My guess is he is taking the gig.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 07:13:04 AM
UConn options?
My first choice would be Steve Pikiell. Hasn't set the word on fire at Rutgers but I bet he'd kill it at UConn
Then I'd be curious if they go-a-poaching-a-fellow Big East coach like Sean Miller.
If they go after another BE coach my guess is that it would be a Smart decision, rather than Miller time
Quote from: DegenerateDish on June 06, 2024, 08:28:58 AM
My guess on Lakers offer is 5 years/$100M.
Upcoming NBA media rights deal makes this type of commitment a lot easier for Buss.
If he wins...it's great
If he fails...he has 100MM
As a parent I tell my kids about Danny Hurley all the time. He was literally sh!itting himself during the NCAAs right after his brother won back to back. Then he dropped out of school and was back helping at his old HS. He didn't let 20 year old Danny mess with 30 year old Danny or 40 year old Danny. Nevermind millionaire, he was a college dropout at one point. It's the best story in CBB. I will always root for him.
Quote from: DoctorV on June 06, 2024, 09:02:19 AM
If they go after another BE coach my guess is that it would be a Smart decision, rather than Miller time
What should we do Dr. V?
He very well might become the highest-paid coach in NBA history. And one would assume this move would have LeBron's blessing if it actually happens, right?
If he failed in LA and was fired, he'd have $100 million in his bank account and he'd immediately be the hottest coach in college hoops - very well could go from being the NBA's highest-paid coach to college basketball's highest-paid coach.
So there are very few reasons for Hurley not to leave.
And I have no doubt at all that he'd make whatever slight adjustments needed in his style to work well with NBA players.
I sure didn't expect to hear about this situation today. Just before going to bed last night, I watched a Sportscenter segment about the Lakers closing in on Redick.
Fascinating stuff.
If he takes it, I wish him the best.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 08:28:21 AM
UConn is one of the top 5 jobs in the nation, imo, regardless of league. I know the money is different between leagues but Rutgers has a ceiling, UConn's is national titles
I agree, but will it be in the next few years? Will it even be in the Big East? These are among the questions for coaches to wrestle with. Right now the Big Ten and SEC are demanding they have the 1 and 2 seeds reserved for them in the CFP. How soon until they make that power play for the NCAA Tourney as well, as well as demanding a minimum number of bids? It's questions like that that will play a role for coaches at Power 4 schools.
It f'ing sucks that this is where we're at with the best game on the planet, but money talks. House is really a game changer, and not in a good way for programs outside of the Power 4.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 09:09:02 AM
What should we do Dr. V?
Pray?
I hope the Hurley is actually offered and takes the Lakers job, because as others have already said he's grown on me a lot as a coach and person the last few years and I wish him the best.
As for our guy, I have no doubt that IF UConn is reaching out to another BE Coach it'll be Shaka Smart.
Hurley carries a ton of weight in Storrs, rightfully so, and it's obvious he appreciates Shaka and his abilities to run a program more than most other BE coaches. Add to that the Shaka's history and connections out East, as well as UConn being a legit top 3 program that is basketball centric and you've got yourself what appears to be a perfect fit.
I've got zero insider info, but logic serves that Shaka would be the first BE call if it comes to that.
If Shaka said no to Kentucky, Louisville, and Michigan, I am very confident he'll do the same to UConn. I also think he's a decent person and wouldn't move within conference (or at all)
I could be proven wrong, but I sense this is a power negotiating ploy by Hurley to UConn. "Pay me what I'm worth as the highest paid coach in CBB." He already turned down UK for big $$$.
If this was a Knicks/Nets/Celtics situation, I would give it much more volume, as he is a hardcore NE-guy. Hurley, or his family, has never coached west of Staten Island. He's going to suddenly move out to Cali?
Again, I may be wrong. This seems like an ultimate power move by Hurley to (rightfully) to be paid what he is worth.
Quote from: DoctorV on June 06, 2024, 09:33:37 AM
Pray?
I hope the Hurley is actually offered and takes the Lakers job, because as others have already said he's grown on me a lot as a coach and person the last few years and I wish him the best.
As for our guy, I have no doubt that IF UConn is reaching out to another BE Coach it'll be Shaka Smart.
Hurley carries a ton of weight in Storrs, rightfully so, and it's obvious he appreciates Shaka and his abilities to run a program more than most other BE coaches. Add to that the Shaka's history and connections out East, as well as UConn being a legit top 3 program that is basketball centric and you've got yourself what appears to be a perfect fit.
I've got zero insider info, but logic serves that Shaka would be the first BE call if it comes to that.
Just let me know if I need to amend my 5 pt plan when you get a chance.
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on June 06, 2024, 09:38:09 AM
I could be proven wrong, but I sense this is a power negotiating ploy by Hurley to UConn. "Pay me what I'm worth as the highest paid coach in CBB." He already turned down UK for big $$$.
If this was a Knicks/Nets/Celtics situation, I would give it much more volume, as he is a hardcore NE-guy. Hurley, or his family, has never coached west of Staten Island. He's going to suddenly move out to Cali?
Again, I may be wrong. This seems like an ultimate power move by Hurley to (rightfully) to be paid what he is worth.
If this is simply a power play, why didn't he pull it when UK was looking at him?
Any I don't think location much matters in the NBA. He's coaching guys from all over the world no matter where he goes.
Quote from: swoopem on June 06, 2024, 09:35:27 AM
If Shaka said no to Kentucky, Louisville, and Michigan, I am very confident he'll do the same to UConn. I also think he's a decent person and wouldn't move within conference (or at all)
So if he takes 3x (or more) money to go to UConn, that means Shaka has stopped being a "decent person"?
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on June 06, 2024, 09:38:09 AM
I could be proven wrong, but I sense this is a power negotiating ploy by Hurley to UConn. "Pay me what I'm worth as the highest paid coach in CBB." He already turned down UK for big $$$.
I read this the other way. I would be surprised if Hurley feels the needs to posture for more $ from UConn. He knows what their top number is and he knows that the Lakers number is far, far higher. This isn't a guy at a top 10-30 job trying to milk an extra $1M per year by threatening to go to another similar school. I don't think this goes public unless at least one side is very confident its happening.
He'd be crazy not to take it. Nothing more to accomplish at UConn. Yes, the Lakers have some issues to sort out but so does the college game. No college program is able to compete with the offer he will get.
Quote from: MU82 on June 06, 2024, 09:44:03 AM
So if he takes 3x (or more) money to go to UConn, that means Shaka has stopped being a "decent person"?
Yes
https://x.com/John_Fanta/status/1798743846098214921
As people said, woj reporting was proof enough that's there's traction. He don't report unless there is.
But now we got Hurley himself confirming.
Karaban 2 MU ??
Quote from: DoctorV on June 06, 2024, 09:02:19 AM
If they go after another BE coach my guess is that it would be a Smart decision, rather than Miller time
If they want to waste time before hiring someone else sure
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 06, 2024, 07:57:53 AM
We don't have room for transfers.
We can always OutSmart Ramsey. He was virtually invisible on the court last year.
Quote from: DoctorV on June 06, 2024, 09:02:19 AM
If they go after another BE coach my guess is that it would be a Smart decision, rather than Miller time
We should probably all make UConn aware of how big the gap is between between them and us. They probably wouldn't even want to hire a coach that doesn't know how to use the portal or have his team focus on the midrange game.
What would be a bigger meltdown for Scoop?
Shaka at UCONN or at Wisky?
Quote from: NCMUFan on June 06, 2024, 12:04:03 PM
What would be a bigger meltdown for Scoop?
Shaka at UCONN or at Wisky?
UW and not even close.
Quote from: NCMUFan on June 06, 2024, 12:04:03 PM
What would be a bigger meltdown for Scoop?
Shaka at UCONN or at Wisky?
For me, Wisky and its not even close.
Quote from: The Lens on June 06, 2024, 09:05:45 AM
If he wins...it's great
If he fails...he has 100MM
As a parent I tell my kids about Danny Hurley all the time. He was literally sh!itting himself during the NCAAs right after his brother won back to back. Then he dropped out of school and was back helping at his old HS. He didn't let 20 year old Danny mess with 30 year old Danny or 40 year old Danny. Nevermind millionaire, he was a college dropout at one point. It's the best story in CBB. I will always root for him.
Lens
I was a big Danny Hurley fan before I read this post. I'm a bigger one now.
Quote from: NCMUFan on June 06, 2024, 12:04:03 PM
What would be a bigger meltdown for Scoop?
Shaka at UCONN or at Wisky?
If it brought Brian Wardle home, wouldn't care
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on June 06, 2024, 09:38:09 AM
Hurley, or his family, has never coached west of Staten Island. He's going to suddenly move out to Cali?
Ahem... (https://thesundevils.com/sports/mens-basketball/roster/coaches/bobby-hurley/5345).
Quote from: GoldenWarrior11 on June 06, 2024, 09:38:09 AM
I could be proven wrong, but I sense this is a power negotiating ploy by Hurley to UConn. "Pay me what I'm worth as the highest paid coach in CBB." He already turned down UK for big $$$.
If this was a Knicks/Nets/Celtics situation, I would give it much more volume, as he is a hardcore NE-guy. Hurley, or his family, has never coached west of Staten Island. He's going to suddenly move out to Cali?
Again, I may be wrong. This seems like an ultimate power move by Hurley to (rightfully) to be paid what he is worth.
Sounds plausible, but dont forget Harbaugh, a midwest guy decided on Claifornia. SHOW ME THE MONEY!
The Lens
I agree on Hurley. He really is a great story and I hope he knocks out of the park for the Lakers.
Goodman thinks they'd go after Bruce Pearl if Hurley bounces.
Which means they'll probably promote from within
Quote from: willie warrior on June 06, 2024, 12:34:51 PM
Sounds plausible, but dont forget Harbaugh, a midwest guy decided on Claifornia. SHOW ME THE MONEY!
Yeah, Harbaugh's wife is from California and he coached in Oakland, San Diego and Stanford.
He played for the Chargers.
Shocking turn of events when he went to San Diego. Shocking
Quote from: tower912 on June 06, 2024, 07:56:05 AM
Goose, I have been wrong before. I will be wrong again. Perhaps this time. Just not feeling it.
I'm feelin' the same way, so we can be wrong together. It's not a matter of money from the Lakers. That will be big. I think it may come down to whether he can have full control over the roster and I have no idea if they want to give him that.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 08:30:15 AM
The Lakers as presently constructed isn't a good roster. And they'll be worse if they draft Bronny and Hurley has to deal with thar circus. Truthfully if Boston loses to Dallas, Mazzulla may be canned. If Hurley is hell bent going to the NBA why not wait? I.hahe always subscribed to not messing with happy.
I see
nothing in this post that I agree with.
Quote from: Jockey on June 06, 2024, 01:31:45 PM
I'm feelin' the same way, so we can be wrong together. It's not a matter of money from the Lakers. That will be big. I think it may come down to whether he can have full control over the roster and I have no idea if they want to give him that.
LeBron will have full control of roster as long as he is there.
Quote from: DegenerateDish on June 06, 2024, 08:28:58 AM
My guess on Lakers offer is 5 years/$100M.
Upcoming NBA media rights deal makes this type of commitment a lot easier for Buss.
That kind of money is already being speculated by the tallking heads on TV
Quote from: willie warrior on June 06, 2024, 04:08:04 PM
That kind of money is already being speculated by the tallking heads on TV
They got their information from Dish.
Quote from: MDMU04 on June 06, 2024, 11:49:18 AM
We should probably all make UConn aware of how big the gap is between between them and us. They probably wouldn't even want to hire a coach that doesn't know how to use the portal or have his team focus on the midrange game.
How dare you speak blasphemy like this. There is not a big gap between UCONN and MU. Ask Hard on. He will explain it to you.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 06, 2024, 09:40:51 AM
Just let me know if I need to amend my 5 pt plan when you get a chance.
You dont know that Shaka would be the first BEast coach to reach out to. A case could be made for Pitino. And Pitinos only reservation would be that there are not any good Italian restaurant tables in Storrs.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 06, 2024, 04:14:53 PM
You dont know that Shaka would be the first BEast coach to reach out to. A case could be made for Pitino. And Pitinos only reservation would be that there are not any good Italian restaurant tables in Storrs.
😂
He gowne, aina?
I like UConn's chances all of a sudden
Quote from: willie warrior on June 06, 2024, 04:10:35 PM
How dare you speak blasphemy like this. There is not a big gap between UCONN and MU. Ask Hard on. He will explain it to you.
I'm impressed. You didn't even realize he was making fun of you.
Classic little willie.
Quote from: swoopem on June 06, 2024, 12:40:31 PM
Goodman thinks they'd go after Bruce Pearl if Hurley bounces.
Which means they'll probably promote from within
He actually said that's who he thinks they should go for. I think Pearl has found his happy place in the South and I doubt UConn would look at him.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 06, 2024, 08:12:34 AM
I think Danny Hurley is smart enough to understand the differences and adjusts accordingly
But then he isn't being himself and he'll be miserable. Sure, the 300-400% pay increase helps but only for so long.
There's a reason very few great college coaches have been successful in the NBA.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on June 06, 2024, 08:55:33 PM
But then he isn't being himself and he'll be miserable. Sure, the 300-400% pay increase helps but only for so long.
There's a reason very few great college coaches have been successful in the NBA.
Yeah...they're not as good.
And why would he be miserable? You don't think coaches change up their styles to fit the situation, and still get satisfaction from their job?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 06, 2024, 08:58:15 PM
Yeah...they're not as good.
And why would he be miserable? You don't think coaches change up their styles to fit the situation, and still get satisfaction from their job?
Most NBA coaches are not better coaches than top tier college coaches. College coaches are teachers of the game. NBA coaches are ego managers.
I don't see how someone naturally intense like Hurley can change that. It's how he's wired. I guess we'll find out if he takes that job.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on June 06, 2024, 09:06:31 PM
Most NBA coaches are not better coaches than top tier college coaches. College coaches are teachers of the game. NBA coaches are ego managers.
Most NBA coaches are better than most college coaches. And I don't even think that's debatable.
And if you think NBA coaches don't "teach," and are primarily "ego managers," I don't think you have much of a clue about what NBA coaches do.
BLWarrior91, you've been told. Don't argue, accept it. We've all been there. Hippie Satan says it, its word.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 06, 2024, 06:29:57 PM
I'm impressed. You didn't even realize he was making fun of you.
Classic little willie.
Speaking of little Hardon, try talking about your attempt at humor--very little.
Wonder if Hurley would get roster control with a GM/VP title included. Pitino was given it with the Celtics (as have many of other successful coaches over the years).
UConn reportedly has a counter ready to present of around $10 million/year.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 06, 2024, 09:09:34 PM
Most NBA coaches are better than most college coaches. And I don't even think that's debatable.
And if you think NBA coaches don't "teach," and are primarily "ego managers," I don't think you have much of a clue about what NBA coaches do.
Yeah, the idea that NBA coaches just roll the ball out and babysit egos is really outdated.
Coaches and players at that level have more ability to break down and digest advanced concepts and numbers than at any point in the league's history. It's incredible how much these guys can process on a game to game basis.
The Athletic ran a list of college coaches who went to the NBA. Even fewer had any real success in the NBA than I thought.
Larry Brown was the only title winner, and he spent far more time coaching in the NBA than he did in college.
Billy Donovan had some success in OKC, but it fell off after a good start. Brad Stevens did OK in Boston, but neither his .557 winning percentage nor his 3 losses in conference finals made him a standout. Pitino was OK with the Knicks (though just OK) and a disaster with the Celtics. And most of the rest of them ranged from mediocre to horrendous.
Of course, none of that means Hurley can't be a good NBA coach. And, as many of us have said, even if doesn't work out for him long-term in LA, he can always take the job, get filthy rich, go back to college, get even richer, and succeed again.
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 07, 2024, 09:43:23 AM
UConn reportedly has a counter ready to present of around $10 million/year.
Aww thats cute of them.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 07, 2024, 03:40:42 AM
Speaking of little Hardon, try talking about your attempt at humor--very little.
Swing and a miss again, little willie.
Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 07, 2024, 02:59:02 PM
Swing and a miss again, little willie.
Your opinion, Hardon. Alumni of what? Oh I forgot. Alumni of the school of Douchery, which you indeed miss.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 07, 2024, 04:56:56 PM
Your opinion, Hardon. Alumni of what? Oh I forgot. Alumni of the school of Douchery, which you indeed miss.
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Quote from: MUBurrow on June 07, 2024, 10:17:35 AM
Aww thats cute of them.
Until his wife says otherwise. I believe he's staying.
Quote from: MUBurrow on June 07, 2024, 10:17:35 AM
Aww thats cute of them.
Initial reports were that the Lakers were going to come in with $100M for around 5-6 years, so somewhere around $15-20M per year. This morning, reporting has it at $100M for 8 years, so $12.5M per. That's a big difference. If Hurley was tripling or quadrupling his salary, it seems certain he would go, but if it's a (relatively speaking) 25% raise over what UConn has on the table, it's not nearly as game-changing.
No idea what he does, but I could see that UConn offer being enough to stay if the Lakers offer is indeed $100/8.
I understand the allure of the NBA, but the Lakers don't seem like a fit. LeBron can opt out this summer. If he signs on, there will be enormous pressure to draft Bronny, who Hurley is supposed to develop (per LeBron's wishes). They fired Luke Walton after a season, Frank Vogel 2 years after he won a title and Darvin Ham, a year after going to the WCF.
The West is really good. Two teams (Denver, Minnesota) have better talent than Dallas in the Finals. Phoenix, Golden State and the Clippers all have veteran superstars, who are at the same level. There's also OKC and San Antonio who have two developing superstars.
It's the Lakers, they can trade for someone like Trae Young, but that probably doesn't get you a title. I don't see them winning a title in the next 5 years with so many obstacles. Maybe there won't be any NBA jobs open that you can walk in a compete for a title immediately.
I don't think possibility of being fired is the negative that some people think it is. No one wants to be fired, bit I think it's very far down the list of cons for taking an NBA job. Other than ego, there is literally no downside to being fired from an NBA head coaching job
Quote from: MU90620 on June 08, 2024, 09:42:59 AM
I don't think possibility of being fired is the negative that some people think it is. No one wants to be fired, bit I think it's very far down the list of cons for taking an NBA job. Other than ego, there is literally no downside to being fired from an NBA head coaching job
Agree.
Quote from: MU90620 on June 08, 2024, 09:42:59 AM
I don't think possibility of being fired is the negative that some people think it is. No one wants to be fired, bit I think it's very far down the list of cons for taking an NBA job. Other than ego, there is literally no downside to being fired from an NBA head coaching job
Right. If your seat might be warming up Kentucky fans might beg for you to be the first call like Billy Donovan. The horror.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 08, 2024, 06:16:54 AM
Initial reports were that the Lakers were going to come in with $100M for around 5-6 years, so somewhere around $15-20M per year. This morning, reporting has it at $100M for 8 years, so $12.5M per. That's a big difference. If Hurley was tripling or quadrupling his salary, it seems certain he would go, but if it's a (relatively speaking) 25% raise over what UConn has on the table, it's not nearly as game-changing.
No idea what he does, but I could see that UConn offer being enough to stay if the Lakers offer is indeed $100/8.
Agreed Brew.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 08, 2024, 06:16:54 AM
Initial reports were that the Lakers were going to come in with $100M for around 5-6 years, so somewhere around $15-20M per year. This morning, reporting has it at $100M for 8 years, so $12.5M per. That's a big difference. If Hurley was tripling or quadrupling his salary, it seems certain he would go, but if it's a (relatively speaking) 25% raise over what UConn has on the table, it's not nearly as game-changing.
No idea what he does, but I could see that UConn offer being enough to stay if the Lakers offer is indeed $100/8.
25% raise and moving to LA, is that even a raise?
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 08, 2024, 06:16:54 AM
Initial reports were that the Lakers were going to come in with $100M for around 5-6 years, so somewhere around $15-20M per year. This morning, reporting has it at $100M for 8 years, so $12.5M per. That's a big difference. If Hurley was tripling or quadrupling his salary, it seems certain he would go, but if it's a (relatively speaking) 25% raise over what UConn has on the table, it's not nearly as game-changing.
No idea what he does, but I could see that UConn offer being enough to stay if the Lakers offer is indeed $100/8.
This is logical.
When it's all done, I'm looking forward to reading what the behind-the-scenes negotiations were. Hopefully Woj or someone else will be able to suss that out.
Quote from: LAZER on June 08, 2024, 10:43:14 AM
25% raise and moving to LA, is that even a raise?
It's not much. A buddy was offered a position in LA from Chicago and the differential in pay was about 20% 5 years ago. (same company, same position)
Obviously, 20% around $100k/yr is different than 20% on $10M/yr. So not apples to apples.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 08, 2024, 06:16:54 AM
Initial reports were that the Lakers were going to come in with $100M for around 5-6 years, so somewhere around $15-20M per year. This morning, reporting has it at $100M for 8 years, so $12.5M per. That's a big difference. If Hurley was tripling or quadrupling his salary, it seems certain he would go, but if it's a (relatively speaking) 25% raise over what UConn has on the table, it's not nearly as game-changing.
No idea what he does, but I could see that UConn offer being enough to stay if the Lakers offer is indeed $100/8.
What will UCOnn offer be
Reportedly $10M/year, but no word on how many years.
Generational wealth = he gowne, aina?
I am not sure if they actually passed it. However, California was trying to put an exit tax on wealthy people who move out of California. It would be foolish for a wealthy person to move to California.
Quote from: bilsu on June 08, 2024, 06:58:16 PM
I am not sure if they actually passed it. However, California was trying to put an exit tax on wealthy people who move out of California. It would be foolish for a wealthy person to move to California.
Even if they came out ahead after taxes?
Quote from: avid1010 on June 08, 2024, 07:12:19 PM
Even if they came out ahead after taxes?
Why are people assuming that if you throw enough money at Hurley, he will accept it?
There is no doubt that some of the jobs Shaka has been offered this year are millions per year more than he is making at Marquette. Do you really think that if they doubled or tripled those offers, he would have taken one of them?
Both Shaka and Hurley know that their families will never have to worry about money again. For both of them, I believe that the job itself would still have to be something that they really wanted.
Hurley has stated multiple times he would like to coach in the NBA someday.
And yes, I think if teams tripled Shaka's money he'd be Smart to take it.
Foolish for a wealthy person to move to CA? There are a lot of foolish rich people in the world then.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 08, 2024, 07:26:23 PM
Why are people assuming that if you throw enough money at Hurley, he will accept it?
There is no doubt that some of the jobs Shaka has been offered this year are millions per year more than he is making at Marquette. Do you really think that if they doubled or tripled those offers, he would have taken one of them?
Both Shaka and Hurley know that their families will never have to worry about money again. For both of them, I believe that the job itself would still have to be something that they really wanted.
I think if he goes it's about the challenge but accelerating the point at which your family doesn't have to worry about money makes it an easier choice.
I agree with you though if you mean that no one accepts or rejects the lakers head coach job because of the 'after tax salary'.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 08, 2024, 07:26:23 PM
Why are people assuming that if you throw enough money at Hurley, he will accept it?
There is no doubt that some of the jobs Shaka has been offered this year are millions per year more than he is making at Marquette. Do you really think that if they doubled or tripled those offers, he would have taken one of them?
Both Shaka and Hurley know that their families will never have to worry about money again. For both of them, I believe that the job itself would still have to be something that they really wanted.
For me its not the money that I think would move Hurley. I think it's the chance to coach the arguably top franchise in the inarguably top league in the world. He succeeds there like he's suceeded at UConn and he will forever be known as one of the greatest of all time in his profession.
Quote from: bilsu on June 08, 2024, 06:58:16 PM
I am not sure if they actually passed it. However, California was trying to put an exit tax on wealthy people who move out of California. It would be foolish for a wealthy person to move to California.
I agree with this analysis.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 08, 2024, 07:26:23 PM
Do you really think that if they doubled or tripled those offers, he would have taken one of them?
Yes. Triple the offer and he is absolutely saying "No Thanks....Im good"...... doubt it.
NBA in general is much better than NCAA right now... the contracts are longer, dealing with adults, not kids. Don't have to deal much with parents. I wouldn't want to be an NCAA D1 coach dealing with NIL expectations.
Having said that, the Lakers job is probably the most unforgiving in the NCAA. Since Phil Jackson left, there have been 7 different head coaches. Hurley would be the 8th. The franchise does not commit to coaches, and has made so many mistakes as coaching hires, they don't institutionally know what a good one is, so they've even fired some good ones!
if its 5 years guaranteed at 17m/year - definitely worth the jump.
Quote from: brewcity77 on June 08, 2024, 05:12:37 PM
Reportedly $10M/year, but no word on how many years.
I have heard other speculation of near $100 million for 6 years. That seems high. Heard his current salary is about 6 million
Doubt if UCONN could reach the 100 million, but they could likely get to 10 million per year.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 08, 2024, 09:50:22 PM
I have heard other speculation of near $100 million for 6 years. That seems high. Heard his current salary is about 6 million
Doubt if UCONN could reach the 100 million, but they could likely get to 10 million per year.
I heard $200 million
It feels like the longer this goes on, the more likely he is to stay.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 09, 2024, 06:47:04 AM
It feels like the longer this goes on, the more likely he is to stay.
Maybe so, but it could also mean that the details in a contract are being resolved. That takes time. Declining an offer can happen fairly quickly. It is also possible (or perhaps I should say likely) that Hurley is still playing UCONN and the Lakers against each other.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 08, 2024, 07:26:23 PM
Why are people assuming that if you throw enough money at Hurley, he will accept it?
There is no doubt that some of the jobs Shaka has been offered this year are millions per year more than he is making at Marquette. Do you really think that if they doubled or tripled those offers, he would have taken one of them?
Both Shaka and Hurley know that their families will never have to worry about money again. For both of them, I believe that the job itself would still have to be something that they really wanted.
I don't know about any of that...but a wealthy person that is going to gross 2 or 3x more $ in California isn't foolish for moving there from a fiscal side of things.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 08, 2024, 08:15:04 PM
I agree with this analysis.
Why does this not surprise me. Herman makes $1 million a year in South Dakota...he's not moving to California for $3 million a year because they have high taxes 8-)
Quote from: avid1010 on June 09, 2024, 08:06:21 AM
Why does this not surprise me. Herman makes $1 million a year in South Dakota...he's not moving to California for $3 million a year because they have high taxes 8-)
He's an idiot, so always do the opposite
Excerpts from a story by Peter Thamel, ESPN:
Planning the next 20 years in college, of course, comes with no certainty considering how much seismic change we've seen in the past five. Hurley would need to essentially re-recruit a new roster every year, deal with the vagaries of revenue sharing and NIL and hope the Big East can continue to swing with the two power conferences.
(Hurley has not hid his disdain for the portal, summarized by this fetal position picture.)
UConn doesn't have the ability to pay like the Lakers do, but it will be as fully committed as it possibly can be. The university's identity is wedded to big-time basketball. But over the next decade, when the Big East television contract is inevitably dwarfed by the SEC's and Big Ten's, could that become harder to do?
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on June 09, 2024, 09:22:40 AM
Excerpts from a story by Peter Thamel, ESPN:
Planning the next 20 years in college, of course, comes with no certainty considering how much seismic change we've seen in the past five. Hurley would need to essentially re-recruit a new roster every year, deal with the vagaries of revenue sharing and NIL and hope the Big East can continue to swing with the two power conferences.
(Hurley has not hid his disdain for the portal, summarized by this fetal position picture.)
UConn doesn't have the ability to pay like the Lakers do, but it will be as fully committed as it possibly can be. The university's identity is wedded to big-time basketball. But over the next decade, when the Big East television contract is inevitably dwarfed by the SEC's and Big Ten's, could that become harder to do?
Thamel is a bad big-picture guy and his coaching predictions/thoughts are often bizarre and wrong. I'll never forget him saying Michigan would likely hire Steve Addazio and not Jim Harbaugh a decade ago and was adamant about it.
However, the questions posed here are legitimate. The Big East will not be able to command the type of dollars the two behemoths will. The one thing often missed, though, in these thought exercises is, all these moves revolve around football when it comes to money and TV.
Schools committed to basketball will be able to compete in this new landscape because it will almost always play second fiddle to football. It's a different creature. That matters. Rutgers basketball is vastly better than football but all their desires lie in gridiron glory. We can go down the list. Very few schools in the new behemoths put basketball first. That matters
Quote from: bilsu on June 08, 2024, 06:58:16 PM
I am not sure if they actually passed it. However, California was trying to put an exit tax on wealthy people who move out of California. It would be foolish for a wealthy person to move to California.
A quick google search would tell you this would have no impact to no real impact. 1st it only applies to people/businesses who make $30M or greater per year. Then you only pay .4% on the amount over that number. Even with endorsements Hurley wouldn't make over $30m/year and if he did his value add on that delta alone would more than cover his losses due to taxes.
Also Federal taxes are consistent no matter where you live it is just the state tax that is different so for every extra million he received he would only lose the delta between CT and CA taxes which is a small percentage of each million dollars.
The payday far exceeds any downside from taxes.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 09, 2024, 06:47:04 AM
It feels like the longer this goes on, the more likely he is to stay.
Supposedly a decision one way or the other is supposed to come today.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 08, 2024, 07:39:42 PM
Hurley has stated multiple times he would like to coach in the NBA someday.
And yes, I think if teams tripled Shaka's money he'd be Smart to take it.
Foolish for a wealthy person to move to CA? There are a lot of foolish rich people in the world then.
Yep. Not to mention since when is CT a low tax state?
Quote from: BallBoy on June 09, 2024, 09:35:36 AM
A quick google search would tell you this would have no impact to no real impact. 1st it only applies to people/businesses who make $30M or greater per year. Then you only pay .4% on the amount over that number. Even with endorsements Hurley wouldn't make over $30m/year and if he did his value add on that delta alone would more than cover his losses due to taxes.
Also Federal taxes are consistent no matter where you live it is just the state tax that is different so for every extra million he received he would only lose the delta between CT and CA taxes which is a small percentage of each million dollars.
The payday far exceeds any downside from taxes.
No, California is always bad because it is liberal, so it must always be spoken of as completely terrible in all ways. This is a rule. San Francisco is bad, greater California is bad. That's why it only grew GDP 6.1% last year. It's awful, as everyone knows.
Quote from: 79Warrior on June 09, 2024, 09:55:04 AM
Yep. Not to mention since when is CT a low tax state?
CA tax burden: 10.40%
CT tax burden: 10.04%
Overall cost of living is higher in CA, so he definitely shouldn't go there and triple his salary.
I believe cost of living is pretty far down the list of things Hurley is thinking about with this potential move.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 09, 2024, 11:34:02 AM
I believe cost of living is pretty far down the list of things Hurley is thinking about with this potential move.
School districts is probably his biggest concern
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 09, 2024, 11:10:49 AM
CA tax burden: 10.40%
CT tax burden: 10.04%
Overall cost of living is higher in CA, so he definitely shouldn't go there and triple his salary.
Source?
not sure state taxes would be a determining factor...
I found California income tax at 12.3% for those earning over $1m
Connecticut shows as 6.99% if making over $1m
For $15m a year earnings, thats about $750k difference
There are a few states showing 0% state income tax. ie.. Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Washington
At $15m per, that's getting close to $2m a year in income tax savings.
That California wealth tax is a bit unique. 1% for net worth over $50m. I wonder if tax assessors will be going door-to-door, or use property insurance valuations. I'd guess some of those pieces of multi-million dollar artwork may end up hanging in their Idaho lodges.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on June 09, 2024, 11:57:53 AM
not sure state taxes would be a determining factor...
I found California income tax at 12.3% for those earning over $1m
Connecticut shows as 6.99% if making over $1m
For $15m a year earnings, thats about $750k difference
There are a few states showing 0% state income tax. ie.. Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Washington
At $15m per, that's getting close to $2m a year in income tax savings.
That California wealth tax is a bit unique. 1% for net worth over $50m. I wonder if tax assessors will be going door-to-door, or use property insurance valuations. I'd guess some of those pieces of multi-million dollar artwork may end up hanging in their Idaho ranches.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 09, 2024, 11:52:21 AM
Source?
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-burden/20494
Sorry, I got CT wrong. It's 10.08%
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on June 09, 2024, 11:57:53 AM
not sure state taxes would be a determining factor...
I found California income tax at 12.3% for those earning over $1m
Connecticut shows as 6.99% if making over $1m
For $15m a year earnings, thats about $750k difference
There are a few states showing 0% state income tax. ie.. Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Washington
At $15m per, that's getting close to $2m a year in income tax savings.
That California wealth tax is a bit unique. 1% for net worth over $50m. I wonder if tax assessors will be going door-to-door, or use property insurance valuations. I'd guess a few of those multi-million dollar artwork may end up hanging in their Idaho lodges.
The Tiger Woods approach may make sense if you can make the same amount no matter where you call home.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 09, 2024, 12:05:47 PM
https://wallethub.com/edu/states-with-highest-lowest-tax-burden/20494
Sorry, I got CT wrong. It's 10.08%
For what is listed, I am pretty sure the numbers are accurate. But as someone who dopes a lot of traveling in this country, they are also very misleading.
Local taxes are generally much higher in states with 'lower' tax burdens.
Example: Tennessee is listed at 6.07% TOTAL tax burden. Of course that is not the actual case. Tennessee's combined state and local sales tax rate is 9.55%.
Quote from: avid1010 on June 09, 2024, 12:06:56 PM
The Tiger Woods approach may make sense if you can make the same amount no matter where you call home.
You pay the tax where the money is earned. But for endorsement income, FLA is a good home.
doesn't the "Tax Burden" list take into account all residents, rather than just the ones making multiple millions?
I'm not sure what it has to do with the Hurley discussion, unless it's just a comparison to show that California is not much different when looked at as a whole.
That's why I showed state income tax for million dollar earners.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on June 09, 2024, 01:34:17 PM
doesn't the "Tax Burden" list take into account all residents, rather than just the ones making multiple millions?
I'm not sure what it has to do with the Hurley discussion, unless it's just a comparison to show that California is not much different when looked at as a whole.
That's why I showed state income tax for million dollar earners.
Exactly. TSmith doesn't understand.
Probably missed this part of their link, as well: " California has the highest individual income tax burden"
Nonetheless, their link isn't very relevant to the discussion. Not sure ze understand marginal tax rates, etc. Sad.
Quote from: Jay Bee on June 09, 2024, 03:11:07 PM
Exactly. TSmith doesn't understand.
Probably missed this part of their link, as well: " California has the highest individual income tax burden"
Nonetheless, their link isn't very relevant to the discussion. Not sure ze understand marginal tax rates, etc. Sad.
Only the tip of the iceberg of things "T Smith doesn't understand".
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 09, 2024, 03:23:04 PM
Only the tip of the iceberg of things "T Smith doesn't understand".
Tell us more about the woke military Lenny
California is dying, that's why real estate prices are falling. Supply & demand. No one wants to live there.
Quote from: Jockey on June 09, 2024, 01:01:44 PM
For what is listed, I am pretty sure the numbers are accurate. But as someone who dopes a lot of traveling in this country, they are also very misleading.
Local taxes are generally much higher in states with 'lower' tax burdens.
Example: Tennessee is listed at 6.07% TOTAL tax burden. Of course that is not the actual case. Tennessee's combined state and local sales tax rate is 9.55%.
But you don't pay sales tax on 100% of your income, so actually, that sounds about right.
Property taxes are super low in Tennessee as well.
Quote from: The Lens on June 09, 2024, 04:50:28 PM
California is dying, that's why real estate prices are falling. Supply & demand. No one wants to live there.
Yep. California is done. I just read in The Epoch Times that the state's population was down to 7,622 people.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 09, 2024, 03:37:40 PM
Tell us more about the woke military Lenny
I don't need to tell you anything - you either can't comprehend or don't listen anyway. Not to me, the Secretary of Defense or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
Now explain the tax situation in California again.
Quote from: warriorchick on June 08, 2024, 07:26:23 PM
Why are people assuming that if you throw enough money at Hurley, he will accept it?
There is no doubt that some of the jobs Shaka has been offered this year are millions per year more than he is making at Marquette. Do you really think that if they doubled or tripled those offers, he would have taken one of them?
Both Shaka and Hurley know that their families will never have to worry about money again. For both of them, I believe that the job itself would still have to be something that they really wanted.
I'm with you here - money is not the end all be all. I think back to Tom Izzo and his decision not to make the move to the NBA on two occasions. One of the things a colleague told him was that he knew how much losing games ate at Izzo. In the NBA he was going to lose at least 20 times a season. I have difficulty seeing a guy as intense as Hurley doing what he does now 82 times a season (plus the playoffs) and having to acquiesce when a player says he needs to sit for a few games for "load management." But then again, things have changed so much as a college coach the fact the NBA rosters are more stable than college rosters and the constant requirement to recruit new and current players may be what pushes Hurley to the NBA. It's why Donovan will not come back to the college game.
Decision Monday. https://www.nj.com/sports/2024/06/dan-hurley-to-announce-much-anticipated-decision-on-monday.html?outputType=amp
Quote from: MU82 on June 09, 2024, 06:13:21 PM
Yep. California is done. I just read in The Epoch Times that the state's population was down to 7,622 people.
Lol
Quote from: avid1010 on June 09, 2024, 12:06:56 PM
The Tiger Woods approach may make sense if you can make the same amount no matter where you call home.
Come to FLA, it's worth it
Quote from: MU82 on June 09, 2024, 06:13:21 PM
Yep. California is done. I just read in The Epoch Times that the state's population was down to 7,622 people.
Gang, anyone who makes $10 million or more a year probably isn't overly worried about state tax rates.
Inevitably, there are tax advantaged situations that can help someone with this challenge.
Fanta was on one of the Sirius channels and was estimating the offer is in the 5 year.....150 range.....
Quote from: burger on June 09, 2024, 08:32:32 PM
Fanta was on one of the Sirius channels and was estimating the offer is in the 5 year.....150 range.....
BuT wHaT aBoUt ThE sTaTe InCoMe TaX???!!!???
They're not giving him 30 million. The Lakers are still a mom and pop shop there's no way they are resetting the market like that.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on June 09, 2024, 11:57:53 AM
not sure state taxes would be a determining factor...
I found California income tax at 12.3% for those earning over $1m
Connecticut shows as 6.99% if making over $1m
For $15m a year earnings, thats about $750k difference
There are a few states showing 0% state income tax. ie.. Florida, Texas, Tennessee, Washington
At $15m per, that's getting close to $2m a year in income tax savings.
That California wealth tax is a bit unique. 1% for net worth over $50m. I wonder if tax assessors will be going door-to-door, or use property insurance valuations. I'd guess some of those pieces of multi-million dollar artwork may end up hanging in their Idaho lodges.
I was surprised on CT tax rates vs South Carolina. I started a remote position last week. Working in CT and the company is based in Charleston, SC. Looks like I pay state taxes to CT. I had to investigate but low cost South Carolina has a 6.3% income tax for my bracket and CT's is only 6.0%. I was surprised to learn the sales tax was also 1.7% higher than Connecticut's.
Not what I expected.
At Hurley 's coaching level I'm sure none of this matters regardless of the state.
Quote from: burger on June 09, 2024, 08:32:32 PM
Fanta was on one of the Sirius channels and was estimating the offer is in the 5 year.....150 range.....
I could see $20m, but doesn't that even seem like a reach with Popovich at $16m and Kerr at $17.5m
I also have a friend from Villanova, and he hears Jay Wright could be the next option if Hurley stays at UConn.
Not sure on that either.
Were there any Al McGuire rumors a few years after he retired?
It's being reported locally that Hurley will make a decision by the the of the day today.
Quote from: The Lens on June 09, 2024, 04:50:28 PM
California is dying, that's why real estate prices are falling. Supply & demand. No one wants to live there.
The state is pretty much just a ghost town at this point
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 09, 2024, 06:33:56 PM
I don't need to tell you anything - you either can't comprehend or don't listen anyway. Not to me, the Secretary of Defense or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
Now explain the tax situation in California again.
Maybe if you try real hard? I really want to hear all about the woke military.
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on June 10, 2024, 08:19:28 AM
Maybe if you try real hard? I really want to hear all about the woke military.
If you won't listen to the musings of the Secretary of Defense or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs try wallethub - I hear that's your go to spot.
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on June 10, 2024, 03:43:42 AM
I could see $20m, but doesn't that even seem like a reach with Popovich at $16m and Kerr at $17.5m
I also have a friend from Villanova, and he hears Jay Wright could be the next option if Hurley stays at UConn.
Not sure on that either.
Were there any Al McGuire rumors a few years after he retired?
Wojo could be had at UConn for less and is available. Think MU is still paying him.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 10, 2024, 09:14:09 AM
If you won't listen to the musings of the Secretary of Defense or the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs try wallethub - I hear that's your go to spot.
Links please.
In the meantime, I'll provide this link to support what I said earlier:
https://apnews.com/article/milley-trump-biden-democracy-military-d2abb76858291c87ae856f91e9556d8e
"We don't take an oath to a king or a queen or to a tyrant or a dictator. And we don't take an oath to a wannabe dictator." - Mark Milley
Does anyone visit the UConn boards? What are they saying?
Quote from: willie warrior on June 10, 2024, 09:15:18 AM
Wojo could be had at UConn for less and is available. Think MU is still paying him.
MU is done paying Wojo I believe - I know for a fact he got the first half of the termination payments in May 2023 and I believe the second half was due May 2024.
You guys are absolutely hilarious. Hurley won't be deciding where to coach based on tax brackets.
IMO, he takes the job in LA because it's a no brainer not to. If they throw 100m+ at him he has to take it. Even if things go AWFULLY, he can basically choose whichever coaching job he wants in the nation wherever he wants! Plus he gets to sit on the sidelines for a few years and watch what happens with conference realignment. Or, by the time he is done in LA he just calls it a career and does whatever he wants. He's a natural in front of the camera, so he could easily go into broadcast.
Personally, I can see no reason to sit around in Storrs, CT for less money. He's at the top right now, and the entire bank is being thrown at him to move to sunny Los Angles, CA.
I think he's just trying to be respectful to the UConn players and fans (plus he enjoys the spotlight) and his mind has been made up for days.
My (very important) read of the tea leaves: Hurley is staying in UConn. It seems strange to me that he would so publicly fawn over the Lakers if he were taking the job. He could save that for the introductory press conference. I think this is him declining as amicably as possible, keeping future NBA possibilities open.
I wonder how the LeBron factor plays into this. The chance to coach him, although he's not what he once was, has to be tempting. However, I don't think it's the easiest coaching environment. Ham fired despite going to a WCF a year ago and Vogel fired not long after a title.
It will be interesting to see if Ham gets another job, although Hurley could always name his price in college.
L E V E R A G E
Quote from: Hards Alumni on June 10, 2024, 10:10:13 AM
You guys are absolutely hilarious. Hurley won't be deciding where to coach based on tax brackets.
IMO, he takes the job in LA because it's a no brainer not to. If they throw 100m+ at him he has to take it. Even if things go AWFULLY, he can basically choose whichever coaching job he wants in the nation wherever he wants! Plus he gets to sit on the sidelines for a few years and watch what happens with conference realignment. Or, by the time he is done in LA he just calls it a career and does whatever he wants. He's a natural in front of the camera, so he could easily go into broadcast.
Personally, I can see no reason to sit around in Storrs, CT for less money. He's at the top right now, and the entire bank is being thrown at him to move to sunny Los Angles, CA.
I think he's just trying to be respectful to the UConn players and fans (plus he enjoys the spotlight) and his mind has been made up for days.
He's not going because LA is too woke like the military, as well as the taxes being too high
I've been checking the Boneyard. They aren't tracking planes but there is a report that his car is not in its usual parking spot. Team practice was moved to 2 pm from noon.
Boneyard having a normal one for sure.
Woj reports that he's staying at UConn. Turned down Lakers offer of 6 years, $70 million. https://x.com/wojespn/status/1800221050795688214
He's staying in Storrs per Fanta.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 10, 2024, 12:41:05 PM
Woj reports that he's staying at UConn. Turned down Lakers offer of 6 years, $70 million. https://x.com/wojespn/status/1800221050795688214
Oh. That was never going to be enough.
Who is next?
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 10, 2024, 12:41:05 PM
Woj reports that he's staying at UConn. Turned down Lakers offer of 6 years, $70 million. https://x.com/wojespn/status/1800221050795688214
That was it? Yeah, no, I retract my "that's cute" comment to UConn's counteroffer earlier in the thread. In the face of $20M per year, $10M wasn't going to move the dial. But making him the sixth highest paid coach in the league doesn't meet my standard for the adjectives that were getting thrown around to describe the Lakers financial commitment here.
We saw some portal NIL fantasy-type figures in this saga.
I enjoy Marquette facing the best, so I'm happy to hear he's staying. Also might have a small positive impact on the Big East, if only for the short term.
Good for the conference and the next TV deal.
Not a surprise.
Quote from: tower912 on June 10, 2024, 12:46:58 PM
Not a surprise.
Only to the *ahem*
enlightened scoopers.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 10, 2024, 12:41:05 PM
Turned down Lakers offer of 6 years, $70 million.
That's an underwhelming offer.
This is great news for the Big East.
Love being wrong. Still think he's an idiot for staying.
Tax rates and even the Lakers' "situation" aside, thoughts on Hurley as an NBA coach? He seems to lean towards the controlling end of the spectrum as opposed to being a "players' coach". Maybe in the same vein as Saban. Will that work long term in the NBA? Obviously a great coach and seems very well liked by his players but does that work with the NBA player ego?
I can't think of it working with other great college coaches in the past. Donovan has been a failure, Pitino kinda worked, Larry Brown was ABA/NBA before going to college. I'm probably missing someone who made it work.
****Never mind, news broke while I was typing. >:( ****
Good for the Big East. Another strong head coach stays within the conference and turns down a more lucrative offer. The more often the league is able to retain strong head coaches within programs, the better.
Hurley might leave next year for an NBA gig now that it is proven he has the itch. However, another year with UConn is a great thing.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 10, 2024, 12:51:57 PM
Tax rates and even the Lakers' "situation" aside, thoughts on Hurley as an NBA coach? He seems to lean towards the controlling end of the spectrum as opposed to being a "players' coach". Maybe in the same vein as Saban. Will that work long term in the NBA? Obviously a great coach and seems very well liked by his players but does that work with the NBA player ego?
I can't think of it working with other great college coaches in the past. Donovan has been a failure, Pitino kinda worked, Larry Brown was ABA/NBA before going to college. I'm probably missing someone who made it work.
Only Larry Brown has won an NCAA and NBA title. So, no, you are not.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 10, 2024, 12:51:57 PM
Tax rates and even the Lakers' "situation" aside, thoughts on Hurley as an NBA coach? He seems to lean towards the controlling end of the spectrum as opposed to being a "players' coach". Maybe in the same vein as Saban. Will that work long term in the NBA? Obviously a great coach and seems very well liked by his players but does that work with the NBA player ego?
I can't think of it working with other great college coaches in the past. Donovan has been a failure, Pitino kinda worked, Larry Brown was ABA/NBA before going to college. I'm probably missing someone who made it work.
****Never mind, news broke while I was typing. >:( ****
Brad Stevens was good. John Beilein was not.
And I wouldn't call Donovan a "failure." He's been good to average. And way better than Rick Pitino. Donovan's career winning percentage is .556. Pitino's is .466.
Quote from: 4everwarriors on June 08, 2024, 06:45:27 PM
Generational wealth = he gowne, aina?
Man, spot on again
I thought for sure he was going to take it. Glad for the BE that he is hanging around.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 10, 2024, 12:50:37 PM
That's an underwhelming offer.
If he was gonna be offered $20M+ a year, as some reports claimed, leaving would have been a no-brainer. If 6yrs, $70M really was the offer, staying was about as big a no-brainer.
Not a surprise. I think Tower, Pg, and I said early we weren't seeing the move.
Certain coaches seem like they are always ready to jump. Hurley never seemed that way.
Well, if he had been offered $20M+ per year, it would have been quite a test of him not being a "jumper."
From what I have observed of him, it never made sense. In the end, his deal got sweetened at UConn, he can try for history, and he didn't mess with happy or Mrs. Hurley.
Quote from: tower912 on June 10, 2024, 01:15:15 PM
From what I have observed of him, it never made sense. In the end, his deal got sweetened at UConn, he can try for history, and he didn't mess with happy or Mrs. Hurley.
Yep. It totally makes sense to use a reported $11.7M annual deal to leverage a lucrative pay raise from UConn, where you've built a dynasty and where you're happy.
We'll never know how he would have responded to a $20M/year deal.
That's if any of those numbers being bandied about were real, of course.
As a Marquette fan, and by extension a Big East fan, I'm glad he's staying. He's good for the Big East, and he's had a lot of kind things to say about Marquette and Shaka.
let's see what happens when Thibs wears out his welcome with the Knicks and they come after Danny. I didn't see the move to LA for a Jersey lifer being realistic, but the Knicks, that's a different situation.
That said, today is a good day for the Big East.
Yeah, I could see the Knicks or the Celtics. but timing matters, too.
I've very glad Danny read this thread and realized dealing with The Lakers wasn't worth the money.
Quote from: tower912 on June 10, 2024, 01:21:15 PM
Yeah, I could see the Knicks or the Celtics. but timing matters, too.
Given the Knicks recent history, winning a title there would be a far greater accomplishment than winning one with the Lakers, though just getting one anywhere would be an accomplishment for him.
I'd bet the Knicks are the dream job for Hurley, but perhaps unfortunate for him that Thibs just signed an extension. Gotta imagine he gets at least two more years there, probably more.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 10, 2024, 01:29:22 PM
Given the Knicks recent history, winning a title there would be a far greater accomplishment than winning one with the Lakers, though just getting one anywhere would be an accomplishment for him.
Recent history? It's 51 years and counting since they've won. I agree it would be a massive accomplishment.
Quote from: Tyler COLEk on June 10, 2024, 01:31:53 PM
I'd bet the Knicks are the dream job for Hurley, but perhaps unfortunate for him that Thibs just signed an extension. Gotta imagine he gets at least two more years there, probably more.
That said, if UConn continues to soar and if the Knicks fail to reach the NBA finals, the media drumbeat for Hurley in a season or two will be everywhere.
Quote from: MU82 on June 10, 2024, 01:13:07 PM
Well, if he had been offered $20M+ per year, it would have been quite a test of him not being a "jumper."
I never understood why people thought he would be offered $20 mil.
It would have to be the perfect offer at the perfect time. I think it equally likely that he pulls a Calhoun or an Izzo and is there for 15-20 more years.
Quote from: BLWarrior91 on June 10, 2024, 01:32:25 PM
Recent history? It's 51 years and counting since they've won. I agree it would be a massive accomplishment.
Hahaha, yeah. More than recent history. That's why in think it's an appealing gig along with a roster that isn't a bunch of misfits or malcontents. Definitely need a true alpha but they're close
Quote from: tower912 on June 10, 2024, 01:15:15 PM
From what I have observed of him, it never made sense. In the end, his deal got sweetened at UConn, he can try for history, and he didn't mess with happy or Mrs. Hurley.
Yessir- all of this.
Looking back through this thread, less vitriol and many decently thought out takes.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 10, 2024, 12:59:17 PM
Brad Stevens was good. John Beilein was not.
And I wouldn't call Donovan a "failure." He's been good to average. And way better than Rick Pitino. Donovan's career winning percentage is .556. Pitino's is .466.
Donovan has a good winning % due to the championship level team he was given in OKC. You can argue he has been average, not good. Do you think he'll ever get another HC gig?
Good call Brad Steven. He did pretty good.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 10, 2024, 02:28:35 PM
Donovan has a good winning % due to the championship level team he was given in OKC. You can argue he has been average, not good. Do you think he'll ever get another HC gig?
He won't have to. The Bulls will keep him around like the Sox do with Ozzie even if he's no longer coaching.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 10, 2024, 02:33:32 PM
He won't have to. The Bulls will keep him around like the Sox do with Ozzie even if he's no longer coaching.
LOL. So true. No joke, Billy D. truly has the best coaching job in sports.
Quote from: tower912 on June 10, 2024, 01:15:15 PM
From what I have observed of him, it never made sense. In the end, his deal got sweetened at UConn, he can try for history, and he didn't mess with happy or Mrs. Hurley.
When he didn't sign before he got on the plane back to Connecticut I figured he was staying. The Laker offer was lower than speculated, UCONN upped their ante and it turned out as I hoped it would. Good for all in the Big East.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 10, 2024, 02:42:35 PM
LOL. So true. No joke, Billy D. truly has the best coaching job in sports.
And they just hired his kid to coach their G-League team.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 10, 2024, 02:46:53 PM
And they just hired his kid to coach their G-League team.
Classic.
JR has 1st class people in place after those trouble makers, MJ and Phil ruined his organization.
Quote from: Jockey on June 10, 2024, 01:37:36 PM
I never understood why people thought he would be offered $20 mil.
I read that numerous places. Maybe it was like the ol' Telephone Tag game.
Quote from: Jockey on June 10, 2024, 01:37:36 PM
I never understood why people thought he would be offered $20 mil.
Yeah, but that is what some of the talking heads experts were throwing out there.
Quote from: MU82 on June 10, 2024, 03:09:50 PM
I read that numerous places. Maybe it was like the ol' Telephone Tag game.
Twitter tag.
Definitely something odd happened here, my guess is Woj was doing the Hurley's a solid (I do recommend "The Miracle of St. Anthony", good read).
For Woj to report initially "a massive offer", it certainly was not by NBA standards. Once Hurley leaves LA without accepting the offer, certainly seemed clear Hurley was staying at Storrs. Any good college coach knows you don't let the recruit get back on the plan without a firm commitment agreed upon.
Maybe Hurley wanted a look under the hood for down the road with an NBA team? Maybe UConn wasn't meeting his demands and he wanted more significant leverage than a college job?
Maybe all along it was just the Hurley family calling in a 20 year old favor for the access they gave Woj for the book?
Quote from: tower912 on June 10, 2024, 01:39:39 PM
It would have to be the perfect offer at the perfect time. I think it equally likely that he pulls a Calhoun or an Izzo and is there for 15-20 more years.
How about Jay Wright?
Quote from: WhiteTrash on June 10, 2024, 02:55:40 PM
Classic.
JR has 1st class people in place after those trouble makers, MJ and Phil ruined his organization.
JR and Krause:"Players don't win championships, organizations do". How's that organization done post MJ?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 10, 2024, 05:58:55 PM
JR and Krause:"Players don't win championships, organizations do". How's that organization done post MJ?
As well as the organizations Jordan has been part of since then
It appears that Mrs. Hurley was not a fan of going to LA, at least initially. This tracks with Hurley's answer when asked about Kentucky.
I saw this yesterday as a way to pay an NCAA coach. Interesting that Yale already does this.
https://www.ctinsider.com/connecticut/article/dan-hurley-endowed-chair-19514002.php
Dan Haar: Naming rights for Hurley? UConn can pay its coach with an endowed chair
By Dan Haar,
Hearst CTInsider Columnist
June 14, 2024
There are two ways to view our automatic assumption that the $5 million-per-year coach of a public university basketball team, already under a long-term contract, should see a huge, guaranteed, multi-year raise over and above that absurdly high pay after winning a second straight national championship.
It's a testament to the power and the glory of America's true religion, market competition.
It's a window into the underbelly of insider capitalism.
Now that my colleague, Mike Anthony, has reported UConn basketball coach Dan Hurley will ink a deal for $50 million over the next six years — $8.33 million a year — we can see Hurley's pay as a perfect illustration of that great debate over who collects how much, and why.
Adding to the debate, we still aren't sure where Hurley's money is coming from, unlike in the professional sports leagues. We presume it's some combination of cash from UConn's regular operating budget and donations from boosters.
Maybe this first year's $3 million bump-up will come from the state's dwindling federal pandemic funds, an odd suggestion earlier this week from Gov. Ned Lamont, who previously warned UConn to use its share of the so-called ARPA money strictly for one-time projects.
There's a better way to finance Hurley's pay hike: An endowed chair. It plays directly into the theme of American-style capitalism.
Before we get into the details of how this would work, consider: All the other sources of money come with big downsides. Paying Hurley from operations drains money from a university that's already fighting for more state aid to maintain programs and is already in a five-year, 15 percent cutback in non-academic spending, as I reported last month.
Ultimately, paying Hurley from operations comes out of the hides of students and their families, who pay higher tuition for tighter resources. "I am worried. The cost of a college education has skyrocketed over the past several decades," state Rep. Gregg Haddad, D-Mansfield, told me late Thursday. He's an ardent supporter of state grants to UConn as co-chair of the higher education spending panel — and his district includes UConn's main campus.
"It's really students who are going to pay," Haddad said, in part because the athletic programs lose millions of dollars, with UConn not in a "power conference."
Regular donations would seem sensible as a source of new money for Hurley, all the more since his presence is bound to increase the size of boosters' checks. But that money is typically earmarked for buildings, special programs, equipment and student financial aid. Diverting donations to pay the coach risks raising state borrowing costs or squeezing some of those other areas.
Using federal pandemic money, which runs out next year, only kicks the spending can down the road unless Hurley jumps to the New York Knicks in 2025, which we hope doesn't happen.
There's no question UConn needs to pay Hurley the higher amount especially after he spurned the reported $70 million Los Angeles Lakers NBA coaching offer to stay in Connecticut. As Hurley said Thursday, he already had leverage for a raise before the Lakers called. Then Lamont sealed it by saying Connecticut would make the basketball scion from New Jersey the highest-paid college coach in the land.
As New Yorkers used to say about their former Gov. Nelson Rockefeller, like Lamont the heir to a fortune, he's spending our money like we had his money. Fortunately Lamont is typically tight with taxpayer dollars and spends wisely.
Which brings us to the endowed chair or professorship.
This is an arrangement under which corporate or individual donors pay into the school's endowment, which now hovers around $500 million, not large as these things go. (Yale's endowment is north of $40 billion.) In exchange, the university names a chair, or professorship, in the donor's honor.
UConn currently has 124 endowed chairs in all of its schools. They attach to some of the top faculty members such as Richard Pomp, a renowned tax expert and the Alva P. Loiselle Professor of Law and Board of Trustees Distinguished Professor at UConn.
UConn ought to be able to attract a donor to pony up the millions needed to link his, her or its name to Hurley's. Think of this as naming rights, as we see in stadiums and on all manner of buildings, classrooms, hallways and courtyards at universities.
Imagine, for example, at every game the announcer introduces "D'Amelio Family Head Coach of Men's Basketball Dan Hurley," named for booster extraordinaire Marc D'Amelio, a consumer goods entrepreneur and the father of the clan known as the "First Family of TikTok."
D'Amelio, formerly of Norwalk, now living in West Hollywood, Calif., already founded the D'Amelio Huskies Collective, to raise and disburse name, image and likeness marketing money to UConn athletes.
The D'Amelio family has a popular reality show on Hulu, which could dovetail nicely with a named chair for Hurley, whose own family maintains a high profile.
The money is out there. Daniel Toscano, the UConn trustees chairman, endowed a chair in finance at the school of business along with his wife, Tresa, and the family has its name on the UConn ice hockey arena. The Neag family, in another example, not only has the name of UConn's Neag School of Education but also 10 endowed chairs and professorships.
How's this? "Ned and Annie Lamont Head Coach of Men's Basketball Dan Hurley." No comment from the governor's office.
Since we're talking about a lot more for Hurley than a typical endowed chair, it could be a company such as a hedge fund. Imagine "Bridgewater Associates Head Coach of Men's Basketball Dan Hurley. Pratt & Whitney already has five endowed chairs in the UConn College of Engineering. Eversource Energy has three in engineering, one in medicine and one in the business school.
Other universities do it for coaches who are, of course, master teachers. Yale, for example, has Joel E. Smilow '54 Head Coach of Men's Basketball James Jones — and that title is on every press release, every reference to Jones that Yale churns out. The Smilow family is getting its money's worth.
This arrangement is different than the normal use of donations because it creates a new asset, the named professorship. So it's not bleeding from existing gifts. The UConn Foundation, the university's fundraising arm, should make it happen.
"I'm sure there's somebody out there," Haddad said, who will "step up and pay for what I think is a state treasure."
dhaar@hearstmediact.com
SENIOR EDITOR AND COLUMNIST
Dan Haar is columnist and senior editor at Hearst Connecticut Media Group, writing about the intersection of business, public policy and politics and how the issues affect the people of Connecticut.
A lot of schools do this.
So how much is UCONN paying Hurley after the lowball Lakers offer. It appears he left about 20 million over 6 years on the table.
What is also very interesting about all this are all the accolades Hurley is getting from many
Great culture builder
Code cracker of college bb recruiting
Big time coach etc.
Is this causing ,even a bigger gap between UCONN and rest of league?
Quote from: willie warrior on June 16, 2024, 11:31:05 AM
So how much is UCONN paying Hurley after the lowball Lakers offer. It appears he left about 20 million over 6 years on the table.
What is also very interesting about all this are all the accolades Hurley is getting from many
Great culture builder
Code cracker of college bb recruiting
Big time coach etc.
Is this causing ,even a bigger gap between UCONN and rest of league?
Yes. Marquette is doomed.
Quote from: willie warrior on June 16, 2024, 11:31:05 AM
So how much is UCONN paying Hurley after the lowball Lakers offer. It appears he left about 20 million over 6 years on the table.
What is also very interesting about all this are all the accolades Hurley is getting from many
Great culture builder
Code cracker of college bb recruiting
Big time coach etc.
Is this causing ,even a bigger gap between UCONN and rest of league?
Hurley has a huge challenge after 2 natties and turning down the Lakers. Lots of heavy duty expectations here. We shall see.
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 16, 2024, 11:16:34 AM
I saw this yesterday as a way to pay an NCAA coach. Interesting that Yale already does this.
https://www.ctinsider.com/connecticut/article/dan-hurley-endowed-chair-19514002.php
Dan Haar: Naming rights for Hurley? UConn can pay its coach with an endowed chair
By Dan Haar,
Hearst CTInsider Columnist
June 14, 2024
There are two ways to view our automatic assumption that the $5 million-per-year coach of a public university basketball team, already under a long-term contract, should see a huge, guaranteed, multi-year raise over and above that absurdly high pay after winning a second straight national championship.
It's a testament to the power and the glory of America's true religion, market competition.
It's a window into the underbelly of insider capitalism.
Now that my colleague, Mike Anthony, has reported UConn basketball coach Dan Hurley will ink a deal for $50 million over the next six years — $8.33 million a year — we can see Hurley's pay as a perfect illustration of that great debate over who collects how much, and why.
Adding to the debate, we still aren't sure where Hurley's money is coming from, unlike in the professional sports leagues. We presume it's some combination of cash from UConn's regular operating budget and donations from boosters.
Maybe this first year's $3 million bump-up will come from the state's dwindling federal pandemic funds, an odd suggestion earlier this week from Gov. Ned Lamont, who previously warned UConn to use its share of the so-called ARPA money strictly for one-time projects.
There's a better way to finance Hurley's pay hike: An endowed chair. It plays directly into the theme of American-style capitalism.
Before we get into the details of how this would work, consider: All the other sources of money come with big downsides. Paying Hurley from operations drains money from a university that's already fighting for more state aid to maintain programs and is already in a five-year, 15 percent cutback in non-academic spending, as I reported last month.
Ultimately, paying Hurley from operations comes out of the hides of students and their families, who pay higher tuition for tighter resources. "I am worried. The cost of a college education has skyrocketed over the past several decades," state Rep. Gregg Haddad, D-Mansfield, told me late Thursday. He's an ardent supporter of state grants to UConn as co-chair of the higher education spending panel — and his district includes UConn's main campus.
"It's really students who are going to pay," Haddad said, in part because the athletic programs lose millions of dollars, with UConn not in a "power conference."
Regular donations would seem sensible as a source of new money for Hurley, all the more since his presence is bound to increase the size of boosters' checks. But that money is typically earmarked for buildings, special programs, equipment and student financial aid. Diverting donations to pay the coach risks raising state borrowing costs or squeezing some of those other areas.
Using federal pandemic money, which runs out next year, only kicks the spending can down the road unless Hurley jumps to the New York Knicks in 2025, which we hope doesn't happen.
There's no question UConn needs to pay Hurley the higher amount especially after he spurned the reported $70 million Los Angeles Lakers NBA coaching offer to stay in Connecticut. As Hurley said Thursday, he already had leverage for a raise before the Lakers called. Then Lamont sealed it by saying Connecticut would make the basketball scion from New Jersey the highest-paid college coach in the land.
As New Yorkers used to say about their former Gov. Nelson Rockefeller, like Lamont the heir to a fortune, he's spending our money like we had his money. Fortunately Lamont is typically tight with taxpayer dollars and spends wisely.
Which brings us to the endowed chair or professorship.
This is an arrangement under which corporate or individual donors pay into the school's endowment, which now hovers around $500 million, not large as these things go. (Yale's endowment is north of $40 billion.) In exchange, the university names a chair, or professorship, in the donor's honor.
UConn currently has 124 endowed chairs in all of its schools. They attach to some of the top faculty members such as Richard Pomp, a renowned tax expert and the Alva P. Loiselle Professor of Law and Board of Trustees Distinguished Professor at UConn.
UConn ought to be able to attract a donor to pony up the millions needed to link his, her or its name to Hurley's. Think of this as naming rights, as we see in stadiums and on all manner of buildings, classrooms, hallways and courtyards at universities.
Imagine, for example, at every game the announcer introduces "D'Amelio Family Head Coach of Men's Basketball Dan Hurley," named for booster extraordinaire Marc D'Amelio, a consumer goods entrepreneur and the father of the clan known as the "First Family of TikTok."
D'Amelio, formerly of Norwalk, now living in West Hollywood, Calif., already founded the D'Amelio Huskies Collective, to raise and disburse name, image and likeness marketing money to UConn athletes.
The D'Amelio family has a popular reality show on Hulu, which could dovetail nicely with a named chair for Hurley, whose own family maintains a high profile.
The money is out there. Daniel Toscano, the UConn trustees chairman, endowed a chair in finance at the school of business along with his wife, Tresa, and the family has its name on the UConn ice hockey arena. The Neag family, in another example, not only has the name of UConn's Neag School of Education but also 10 endowed chairs and professorships.
How's this? "Ned and Annie Lamont Head Coach of Men's Basketball Dan Hurley." No comment from the governor's office.
Since we're talking about a lot more for Hurley than a typical endowed chair, it could be a company such as a hedge fund. Imagine "Bridgewater Associates Head Coach of Men's Basketball Dan Hurley. Pratt & Whitney already has five endowed chairs in the UConn College of Engineering. Eversource Energy has three in engineering, one in medicine and one in the business school.
Other universities do it for coaches who are, of course, master teachers. Yale, for example, has Joel E. Smilow '54 Head Coach of Men's Basketball James Jones — and that title is on every press release, every reference to Jones that Yale churns out. The Smilow family is getting its money's worth.
This arrangement is different than the normal use of donations because it creates a new asset, the named professorship. So it's not bleeding from existing gifts. The UConn Foundation, the university's fundraising arm, should make it happen.
"I'm sure there's somebody out there," Haddad said, who will "step up and pay for what I think is a state treasure."
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A lot of schools have this.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 16, 2024, 11:37:32 AM
Yes. Marquette is doomed.
I hear the rest of the league has already canceled next season. Why even bother playing?
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 16, 2024, 11:37:32 AM
Yes. Marquette is doomed.
Wrong thread.
https://www.muscoop.com/index.php?topic=48600.0
Quote from: MU Fan in Connecticut on June 16, 2024, 11:16:34 AM
I saw this yesterday as a way to pay an NCAA coach. Interesting that Yale already does this.
https://www.ctinsider.com/connecticut/article/dan-hurley-endowed-chair-19514002.php
This isn't something new, but it has spread beyond "elite" private schools recently. Many Ivy League coaching positions are endowed. Michigan football and basketball are endowed positions, Duke has endowed assistant positions. Mid and low major programs have endowed coaching positions (a friend recently endowed the women's basketball coaching position at his mid-major alma mater so the assistants could be paid more from departmental funds) and not just for the high profile sports. THis is something MU should look into with the big athletics donors we have.
https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/10473550/endowments-exchange-namesakes-new-trend-coaching
https://www.opb.org/news/article/oregon-state-gift-endow-coaching-position/
https://www.soccerwire.com/news/notre-dame-mens-soccer-head-coach-position-receives-endowment/
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on June 17, 2024, 09:22:33 AM
THis is something MU should look into with the big athletics donors we have.
I kind of like the sound of the "MUScoop Endowed Men's Head Basketball Coach"
In all seriousness, though, I find it obnoxious when references to an endowed position list the full title of the position (which includes the person who endowed it). I 100% "get it" and understand why it is done, but it's annoying to read, "BigWig Donor Endowed Men's Basketball Head Coach John Smith" (first example I found (https://x.com/PennStateMBB/status/1641177046217785347)). It's even worse when they speak the full title.
Quote from: StillAWarrior on June 17, 2024, 10:48:50 AM
I kind of like the sound of the "MUScoop Endowed Men's Head Basketball Coach"
In all seriousness, though, I find it obnoxious when references to an endowed position list the full title of the position (which includes the person who endowed it). I 100% "get it" and understand why it is done, but it's annoying to read, "BigWig Donor Endowed Men's Basketball Head Coach John Smith" (first example I found (https://x.com/PennStateMBB/status/1641177046217785347)). It's even worse when they speak the full title.
This is hardly a new development. and UConn would not even be first in the Big East. Sean Miller's title at Xavier is officially the "Sedler Family Men's Basketball Head Coach," and the endowment dates back to 2015.
https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2015/01/19/donation-endows-xaviers-mens-basketball-position/21989653/ (https://www.cincinnati.com/story/sports/college/xavier/2015/01/19/donation-endows-xaviers-mens-basketball-position/21989653/)
It sounds like Reddick is a lock for the LAL Why I have no idea.
Because Hurley was smart enough to listen to his wife and say no.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 18, 2024, 06:36:43 PM
It sounds like Reddick is a lock for the LAL Why I have no idea.
There's 3 letters that answers the 3 letter "why" question.
Quote from: wadesworld on June 18, 2024, 06:55:05 PM
There's 3 letters that answers the 3 letter "why" question.
cis?
Quote from: wadesworld on June 18, 2024, 06:55:05 PM
There's 3 letters that answers the 3 letter "why" question.
It's probably written into his contract he has to support drafting NepoBronny.
6 years. $50 million. Congratulations.
Don't mess with happy.
Plus incentive bonuses.
Good for Hurley, good for UConn, good for the Big East.