Every year we have a multi day golf outing at Pinehurst . Usually the event is in June, but in years when they have the Open we play in May. Our group was among the last to play the course before it was closed for final preparations and practice . So we got a good glimpse of the course set up.
The primary defense of Pinehurst is the turtle back greens designed by Donald Ross.
The fairways are lined with wire grass plants. The caddies said over 100,000 were planted for the event and will be removed after the tournament because the course becomes too difficult for members and resort guest
The caddies say the wire grass will come into play as the fairways will be dry. Caddies also said bunkers will filled with new sand and to expect buried lies.
We played the course at 11 on stimp meter . Caddies said the course will be at 13.5 for Open. The 8th hole , were John Daly had an infamous melt down years ago, was border line unplayable .
Overall the course is flat. Just a handful of hills . Course sets up well for Pros who have a power fade and who are exceptional irons players. The nature of the greens makes it hard to take a conservative approach shot posture , the landing area is very small , otherwise the ball will roll off the sides or front. Behind the greens is generally speaking big trouble.
The scorecard read 7,588 from where the event will be played.
Pinehurst #2 will be a proper challenge for the Pros. It is possible someone may get hot like Kaymer did in 2014 , however I think the winner should be closer to -1 or -2
In 1984, Greg Norman lost to Fuzzy Zoeller in a playoff, shooting a nifty 75 to Zoeller's 67.
In 1986, Greg Norman entered the final round of the US Open with a 1-shot lead. Norman faded with a final round 75 and finished 6 shots behind the winner, Raymond Floyd.
In 1995, Greg Norman entered the final round, tied for the lead. He had entered the weekend -5, with a 2-shot lead. He shot 74 on Saturday and 73 on Sunday to choke away another major. On that Sunday, he was tied for the lead after the front nine but quickly gave it up. A bogey on 17 ended any chance at winning.
When you were there in those years, what did Norman confide to you as he was steppin' on his johnson big time, hey?
Just modified opening post realized some got cut off
Great golf course, one of my favorites. Big fan of any Ross course that I have played over the years.
Quote from: Goose on June 02, 2024, 10:32:48 PM
Great golf course, one of my favorites. Big fan of any Ross course that I have played over the years.
One of the courses that closed around here was a Ross. Sold to the nature center next to it and is now a pasture for hiking. Breaks my heart.
Lots of interesting story lines today in final qualifying. One of the more interesting was the playoff between Cam Davis and Adam Scott. Some excellent clutch shots made by both during the playoff which Davis won.
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/us-open-2024-final-qualifying-for-pinehurst-no-2-golfs-longest-day-who-qualified
tower
That is bad news. Any time I get a chance to Ross course I jumped at the opportunity.
Have you played any Seth Raynor courses? Another favorite of mine.
No. I would like to play the Arcadia Bluffs south course, which is apparently a Raynor MacDonald homage of raised, square greens, geometric bunkers, etc. Obviously, going around the lake to play the Lido would be better.
Lido sounds absolutely fantastic.
Agreed.
Quote from: tower912 on June 04, 2024, 10:23:01 AM
No. I would like to play the Arcadia Bluffs south course, which is apparently a Raynor MacDonald homage of raised, square greens, geometric bunkers, etc. Obviously, going around the lake to play the Lido would be better.
Best golfing experience I ever had. It's hard to explain but it's about as pure as golf gets and is probably as close an inland course can capture Ireland or Scotland golf.
The only quibble was the caddies were pretty green last summer with it just opening and learning lines and angles. Even still, I could have stayed out there for hours taking it in and watching people play it.
You are going to enjoy Stoatin Brae. Not quite the pedigree, but firm, fast, treeless, windy.
Quote from: tower912 on June 04, 2024, 10:23:01 AM
No. I would like to play the Arcadia Bluffs south course, which is apparently a Raynor MacDonald homage of raised, square greens, geometric bunkers, etc. Obviously, going around the lake to play the Lido would be better.
Heard when you play Lido you need to toe the line, or you'll blow it
Speaking of Donald Ross courses, Oconomowoc Country Club held US Senior Open qualifiers today and Notah Begay III, Duffy Waldorf and Brad Lanning of Hortonville qualified.
Lanning and Begay played at Stanford together. Begay stood up in Lanning's weather.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 04, 2024, 07:44:31 PM
Speaking of Donald Ross courses, Oconomowoc Country Club held US Senior Open qualifiers today and Notah Begay III, Duffy Waldorf and Brad Lanning of Hortonville qualified.
Lanning and Begay played at Stanford together. Begay stood up in Lanning's weather.
They played at Stanford with Tiger as well right? My recollection is that Tiger actually caddied for Begay once at a Tour event.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 04, 2024, 08:09:09 PM
They played at Stanford with Tiger as well right? My recollection is that Tiger actually caddied for Begay once at a Tour event.
Tiger caddied for his son Charlie at a tournament sponsored by Begay. Don't think he ever caddied for Begay at a tour event, though.
Quote from: tower912 on June 04, 2024, 11:24:18 AM
You are going to enjoy Stoatin Brae. Not quite the pedigree, but firm, fast, treeless, windy.
Agreed, Stoatin Brae is nice but it doesn't hold a candle to Arcadia. I also agree with Rico, Arcadia has been my favorite golf trip I've done and I've done it twice now.
Going back to Boyne Highlands this years for our trip
Arcadia is magnificent. Destination golf. Stoatin Brae is cool on a much less spectacular scale. Firm, fast, treeless. By the time Rico plays there the heather will be taller than Muggsy. As part of that resort, it is a complete outlier as far as topography and style.
Have you played the Arcadia south course?
Quote from: tower912 on June 05, 2024, 07:01:43 AM
Arcadia is magnificent. Destination golf. Stoatin Brae is cool on a much less spectacular scale. Firm, fast, treeless. By the time Rico plays there the heather will be taller than Muggsy. As part of that resort, it is a complete outlier as far as topography and style.
Have you played the Arcadia south course?
I'll tell you what, because of climate change and rain, the heather is up everywhere already. Pretty stunning to play some courses this early in the year and see how full and thick they are in places.
But that's the price to pay for being slaves to fossil fuels, I guess
Quote from: tower912 on June 05, 2024, 07:01:43 AM
Arcadia is magnificent. Destination golf. Stoatin Brae is cool on a much less spectacular scale. Firm, fast, treeless. By the time Rico plays there the heather will be taller than Muggsy. As part of that resort, it is a complete outlier as far as topography and style.
Have you played the Arcadia south course?
Yeah I've played the south. I enjoyed it but I like the bluffs more
A sneaky good course by Stoatin is Angel's Crossing. I'm playing there in two weeks
Angel's Crossings is fun.
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 04, 2024, 11:45:40 AM
Heard when you play Lido you need to toe the line, or you'll blow it
Mandatory caddies on Lido and no drinking during play allowed. Only 10 foursomes a day are currently allowed out. Definitely sounds like a unique golf experience and very different from the other Sand Valley tracks where debauchery is allowed
Good. Drinking on the golf course is a scourge that should be snuffed out.
Quote from: tower912 on June 05, 2024, 09:56:15 AM
Good. Drinking on the golf course is a scourge that should be snuffed out.
Agree to a point. The people who only treat the course as a place to get sh*tfaced are annoying.
But man. that first sip of a cold one, on a warm sunny day on the course is the best.
Quote from: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on June 05, 2024, 09:53:05 AM
Mandatory caddies on Lido and no drinking during play allowed. Only 10 foursomes a day are currently allowed out. Definitely sounds like a unique golf experience and very different from the other Sand Valley tracks where debauchery is allowed
The amount of High Noon I see consumed at Sand Valley is definitely something
Quote from: tower912 on June 05, 2024, 09:56:15 AM
Good. Drinking on the golf course is a scourge that should be snuffed out.
It won't be at Pinehurst next week, that I can tell you. ;)
Looks like 150 out of 156 have qualified for 2024 US Open. Last six spots held for top 60 at Memorial who otherwise weren't other wise eligible and first alternates .
Amazing how many Amateurs qualify for this event each year .
https://www.usopen.com/2024/final-qualifying.html
I am very anti drinking on the golf course, especially for anyone playing ahead of me. I would say that I probably have drank 1-2% of the rounds I have played in my life and that might be high. For the most part I will drink in a scramble or a rare exception late in a round if I am playing poorly or extremely long round. Now, hanging around for hours after golf and drinking is highly encouraged by me.
I will do the social sip off someone's flask during an outing, but that is it these days. The last time I bought a beer off a cart girl was 2008. Annual firefighter golf trip, that year at Treetops. In the middle of the round, the phones started ringing. A helicopter had crash landed on the roof of the hospital downtown, causing a fire. My wife narrated it for me for 3-4 minutes. Next tee, 8 of us are milling around and the cart girl arrives. We all got a drink and toasted not being at work.
I have more than enough trouble on the golf course without drinking alcohol. I have no problem if others do it, though, as long as they don't overindulge and ruin the experience of others on the course.
Apparently I'm the only one who likes to get sauced on the course.
Morikowa has been in solid form all year and has been in contention in the Majors. Pinehurst may be where he breaks through. His ability with irons will be an important asset.
I thought we were talking about the US Open next week. Drinking every day at Pinehurst won't make me a bad guy. ;)
Enjoy.
US Open Power Rankings.
No Surprises
https://www.rotowire.com/golf/article/2024-us-open-power-rankings-83042
Quote from: Bo Ryan's Massage Therapist on June 05, 2024, 09:53:05 AM
Mandatory caddies on Lido and no drinking during play allowed. Only 10 foursomes a day are currently allowed out. Definitely sounds like a unique golf experience and very different from the other Sand Valley tracks where debauchery is allowed
Everything has been cracked out. Each course removed beverage stands and no more liquor is served.
The Lido is incredible.
Scheffler won Memorial Tournament with Morikowa second
I think Morikowa is ready to break through at Pinehurst. Has the precision iron game necessary to compete well.
Scheffler is at a completely different level though. Seems like he has to make some mistakes early for anyone to be able to build a lead over him.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 09, 2024, 07:22:57 PM
I think Morikowa is ready to break through at Pinehurst.
He'll be too intimidated by Tiger.
https://www.cbssports.com/golf/news/u-s-open-2024-storylines-dont-undersell-collin-morikawa-brooks-koepka-as-scottie-scheffle-remains-hot/amp/
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 09, 2024, 07:22:57 PM
Scheffler won Memorial Tournament with Morikowa second
I think Morikowa is ready to break through at Pinehurst. Has the precision iron game necessary to compete well.
Scheffler is at a completely different level though. Seems like he has to make some mistakes early for anyone to be able to build a lead over him.
The risk with betting on Scottie is you never know when that criminal will strike again.
Scottie,Rory, and Xander playing together the first two rounds. Rory needs to play like it is the Ryder Cup. Or he repeats his early round struggles and gets lapped.
Quote from: tower912 on June 11, 2024, 08:37:07 AM
Scottie,Rory, and Xander playing together the first two rounds. Rory needs to play like it is the Ryder Cup. Or he repeats his early round struggles and gets lapped.
McIlroy has unfortunately not been able to put 4 decent rounds in a row at Majors. Always seems to have one doen day and then he is not in contention on Sunday back nine.
Here are all the tee times . JT, Morikowa and Koepka is an Excellent threesome.
https://www.usopen.com/2024/tee-times.html
Going from Valhalla to Pinehurst in the major schedule is quite the polar opposites.
Expecting some whining through the course of the week. Going to eliminate those guys from serious contention. Sounds like it's going to be hot with no rain in the forecast. Things should get crispy. Going to have to water those greens, though, to keep them playable
Playing only 54 holes makes you soft.
@MartySmithESPN
BREAKING NEWS: 2x Major Champion Jon Rahm has decided to withdraw from the US Open at Pinehurst, due to an infected sore located between the little toe and the next toe on his left foot, sources close to Rahm tell me.
I'm told the infection is healing with antibiotic treatment, but Rahm remains in pain and does not want to compete in a tournament in which he does not believe he is physically capable of winning.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 11, 2024, 03:51:45 PM
Playing only 54 holes makes you soft.
@MartySmithESPN
BREAKING NEWS: 2x Major Champion Jon Rahm has decided to withdraw from the US Open at Pinehurst, due to an infected sore located between the little toe and the next toe on his left foot, sources close to Rahm tell me.
I'm told the infection is healing with antibiotic treatment, but Rahm remains in pain and does not want to compete in a tournament in which he does not believe he is physically capable of winning.
If he doesn't win a major soon, it's not his toes he'll have to worry about
Rahm already got his dough.
Quote from: MU82 on June 11, 2024, 06:15:08 PM
Rahm already got his dough.
Saudi's are paying him to win majors and legitimize their sports washing. Like when Rahm hired some muscle to rough up DJ before the Masters a few years ago for hitting on his fiance, the Saudi's aren't to be trifled with
Quote from: Pakuni on June 11, 2024, 03:51:45 PM
Playing only 54 holes makes you soft.
@MartySmithESPN
BREAKING NEWS: 2x Major Champion Jon Rahm has decided to withdraw from the US Open at Pinehurst, due to an infected sore located between the little toe and the next toe on his left foot, sources close to Rahm tell me.
I'm told the infection is healing with antibiotic treatment, but Rahm remains in pain and does not want to compete in a tournament in which he does not believe he is physically capable of winning.
Smart Move. Needs to get healthy . As Rahm points out he could screw his swing up compensating .
Would rather see a guy withdraw than take up a place in the field and quit after 9 holes .
https://nypost.com/2024/06/11/sports/jon-rahm-injury-foot-infection-a-concern-at-2024-us-open/amp/
Is Scheffler a potential 10+ Majors guy? I don't watch men's golf anymore but was just curious if people think he's the real deal? Because we thought the Rory and Speith would win about 10.
Congratulations to Rory. As for Scottie, he has the game for it. Can he stay motivated?
Quote from: tower912 on June 11, 2024, 07:03:53 PM
Congratulations to Rory. As for Scottie, he has the game for it. Can he stay motivated?
What happened to Speith and Thomas Tower? I haven't been following much. Ty.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 11, 2024, 07:01:06 PM
Is Scheffler a potential 10+ Majors guy? I don't watch men's golf anymore but was just curious if people think he's the real deal? Because we thought the Rory and Speith would win about 10.
No
Spieth was always erratic and not long off the tee. Inconsistent putter. JT is less obvious. Just stopped performing at the highest level. Cutthroat out there.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 11, 2024, 07:01:06 PM
Is Scheffler a potential 10+ Majors guy? I don't watch men's golf anymore but was just curious if people think he's the real deal? Because we thought the Rory and Speith would win about 10.
Sustained excellence is hard.
Nicklaus 18
Woods 15
Jones 13
Hagen 11
No one else has broken 10
Hogan 9
Player 9
Watson 8
Time will tell if Scheffler can sustain
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 11, 2024, 07:04:59 PM
What happened to Speith and Thomas Tower? I haven't been following much. Ty.
Got married
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 11, 2024, 06:40:25 PM
Saudi's are paying him to win majors and legitimize their sports washing. Like when Rahm hired some muscle to rough up DJ before the Masters a few years ago for hitting on his fiance, the Saudi's aren't to be trifled with
Speaking of DJ ... remember when he was the first big "star" to take the blood money? I wondered, who was gonna turn on this POS tour to watch him ... and the answer was nobody. Even with a whole lot of players much more currently relevant than DJ, who is watching the blood money tour? Besides 9-9-9 and his fellow zombies, of course.
Tiger expecting War of Attrition at Pinehurst. Cites severity of green speeds
https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/articles/cmll8n930ggo
Yes, it may actually be a challenge.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 11, 2024, 03:51:45 PM
Playing only 54 holes makes you soft.
@MartySmithESPN
BREAKING NEWS: 2x Major Champion Jon Rahm has decided to withdraw from the US Open at Pinehurst, due to an infected sore located between the little toe and the next toe on his left foot, sources close to Rahm tell me.
I'm told the infection is healing with antibiotic treatment, but Rahm remains in pain and does not want to compete in a tournament in which he does not believe he is physically capable of winning.
Is that the piggy who gets roast beef, or the one who gets none?
Quote from: lawdog77 on June 12, 2024, 08:57:46 AM
Is that the piggy who gets roast beef, or the one who gets none?
This should scare you: I was trying to come up with something along those lines, too.
You beat me to it, and yours is better than mine would have been.
https://nypost.com/2024/06/12/sports/2024-u-s-open-prediction-back-rory-mcilroy-after-surprise-divorce-reversal/amp/
Quote from: Pakuni on June 11, 2024, 03:51:45 PM
Playing only 54 holes makes you soft.
@MartySmithESPN
BREAKING NEWS: 2x Major Champion Jon Rahm has decided to withdraw from the US Open at Pinehurst, due to an infected sore located between the little toe and the next toe on his left foot, sources close to Rahm tell me.
I'm told the infection is healing with antibiotic treatment, but Rahm remains in pain and does not want to compete in a tournament in which he does not believe he is physically capable of winning.
I've actually had something like that before and it was incredibly painful.
Tiger with an excellent Press Conference. He opens up and gives quality answers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cxu5jIZiZPE
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 12, 2024, 08:52:13 AM
Tiger expecting War of Attrition at Pinehurst. Cites severity of green speeds
https://www.bbc.com/sport/golf/articles/cmll8n930ggo
Luckily they will cower and slow down for Tiger while he prowls the course.
Congrats to Brooks Koepka on winning his 3rd US Open
Did his best buddy Xander getting a major light a fire under Cantlay?
Man, Thomas is in a rut.
It also looks like Phil will not get the elusive US Open this year.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 13, 2024, 11:17:53 AM
Man, Thomas is in a rut.
It also looks like Phil will not get the elusive US Open this year.
Expecting some type of FIGJAM temper tantrum tomorrow
Based on the morning groups that have completed, pretty much a more typical US Open. Some low scores, but clearly double bogey lurking on almost every hole.
Course isn't brown enough for me
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 13, 2024, 01:17:35 PM
Course isn't brown enough for me
Unless it's brown it's a dump.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 13, 2024, 03:55:01 PM
Unless it's brown it's a dump.
Many times, that's true
I will not get excited about Rory's 65, I will not get excited about Rory's 65.
Loved the way he walked in that putt on 18. I'll get excited about Rory's 65!
Quote from: MU82 on June 13, 2024, 06:51:32 PM
Loved the way he walked in that putt on 18. I'll get excited about Rory's 65!
https://nypost.com/2024/06/13/sports/rory-mcilroy-fresh-off-divorce-about-face-tied-for-u-s-open-lead/amp/
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 11, 2024, 07:43:58 PM
Got married
and fowler
this course is set up more for luck than skills, but hey, it sure looks humbling
rahm withdrawing from the open probably saved him some clubs and a huge bar bill
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 14, 2024, 05:50:26 AM
and fowler
this course is set up more for luck than skills, but hey, it sure looks humbling
rahm withdrawing from the open probably saved him some clubs and a huge bar bill
Hit fairways. Use all the clubs in your bag. Be creative around the greens. Test your patience.
But yeah, it's no Valhalla. Driver, wedge, putt.
https://golf.com/news/winners-losers-thursday-us-open/?amp=1
is the only place to see round 2 this morning on pee cock?? wtf!! they must get good money to do this as I can't imagine the viewership can be all that high compared to USA and NBC. all the other events I can watch on ESPN + but pee cock??
That Servpro mulligan ball commercial is funny.
projected cut at +2...I bet it goes to +4 or so
Rory rolls a putt off the 17th green but chips in for par
Proper freaking golf
The closest thing to Pinehurst I have seen in Michigan is the Loop. So, if the ground game appeals. If firm and fast and using your whole bag for shots around the green appeals to you, head to middle of nowhere, Michigan.
Quote from: tower912 on June 14, 2024, 09:14:49 AM
The closest thing to Pinehurst I have seen in Michigan is the Loop. So, if the ground game appeals. If firm and fast and using your whole bag for shots around the green appeals to you, head to middle of nowhere, Michigan.
Duly noted
The announcer walking the course with the McIlroy group said that a putt was gonna "break." When the play-by-play guy asked which direction it would break, the on-course guy hesitated and then offered: "It's gonna go to the side."
In other words, he had no effen idea. Why fake it?
A lot of wheel spinning so far. Other than X, nobody is doing very much.
tower
Not sure if you mentioned in an earlier post, but is your guess on winning score? I am hoping for -3 or worse.
I haven't. The final score is up to the USGA. They just showed video of the greens being sprayed down at 6:00 this morning. I think they did that to get all 156 around today. If they decide to water less and brown up the greens, -3 is probably on the low end. If they decide to keep the greens somewhat receptive, it could get to -8.
Scottie Scuffler
Max heading homa
Quote from: tower912 on June 14, 2024, 10:50:11 AM
Scottie Scuffler
Max heading homa
I appreciate how incredibly well Scheffler has been playing, but I have to admit that I wouldn't mind him missing the cut. I'm kinda bored with him.
A buddy of mine played Pinehurst #2 and shot an 86. He's a +2 hc. I think it's 50/60 I could break 100. :(
At 7500? Ick. If I had a couple of practice rounds to figure out how to chip and a good local caddie, I would put my over/under at 95 at that length. If I played an appropriate tee for me (58 now), somewhere in the 6500 ish range, with a good caddie and a little short game orientation, I could see an 80.
Playing an appropriate tee makes such a difference.
Quote from: tower912 on June 14, 2024, 12:43:41 PM
At 7500? Ick. If I had a couple of practice rounds to figure out how to chip and a good local caddie, I would put my over/under at 95 at that length. If I played an appropriate tee for me (58 now), somewhere in the 6500 ish range, with a good caddie and a little short game orientation, I could see an 80.
He played the tips but not the pro tips. Ya....at 6500 I would hope I could break 100. Yeesh. :(
Are the pro tips 7500? Holy fk.
They are playing it at 7500
Pinehurst#2 target score calculator says a 15 handicapper (average male golfer) should shoot 97 from 7500 yards at Pinehurst.
Golf pro John Radcliff put the number at 100 for those with course knowledge, 110 for those unfamiliar with the course.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 14, 2024, 01:08:09 PM
Pinehurst#2 target score calculator says a 15 handicapper (average male golfer) should shoot 97 from 7500 yards at Pinehurst.
Golf pro John Radcliff put the number at 100 for those with course knowledge, 110 for those unfamiliar with the course.
I'm a +7 but have been told 50/50 fron 6900. :(
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 14, 2024, 01:50:36 PM
I'm a +7 but have been told 50/50 fron 6900. :(
You're a +7? Why aren't you on tour
Quote from: tower912 on June 14, 2024, 12:51:40 PM
They are playing it at 7500
I shot a 69 from the tips. It was nice
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 14, 2024, 03:52:03 PM
I shot a 69 from the tips. It was nice
Not bad. If you could chip and putt like Tower you could have gone low.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 14, 2024, 05:36:50 PM
Not bad. If you could chip and putt like Tower you could have gone low.
Don't I know it
Right now, with putting, my range is similar to Oso's jump shots while at MU. Making nothing beyond 10 feet.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 14, 2024, 05:36:50 PM
Not bad. If you could chip and putt like Tower you could have gone low.
I thought I saw him paired up with zalatoris and tiger. he looked so bored he was putting on a trick shot clinic between holes
My heart is with Finau. My head says his putting does not hold up on the weekend.
Quote from: tower912 on June 14, 2024, 06:39:51 PM
My heart is with Finau. My head says his putting does not hold up on the weekend.
He's one of the good guys.
It's very easy to root for Tony Finau. Great dude.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 14, 2024, 12:37:28 PM
A buddy of mine played Pinehurst #2 and shot an 86. He's a +2 hc. I think it's 50/60 I could break 100. :(
Quote from: tower912 on June 14, 2024, 12:43:41 PM
At 7500? Ick. If I had a couple of practice rounds to figure out how to chip and a good local caddie, I would put my over/under at 95 at that length. If I played an appropriate tee for me (58 now), somewhere in the 6500 ish range, with a good caddie and a little short game orientation, I could see an 80.
Playing an appropriate tee makes such a difference.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 14, 2024, 01:08:09 PM
Pinehurst#2 target score calculator says a 15 handicapper (average male golfer) should shoot 97 from 7500 yards at Pinehurst.
Golf pro John Radcliff put the number at 100 for those with course knowledge, 110 for those unfamiliar with the course.
It seems the USGA is doing everything it can to make sure the course stays playable. If they don't let the course get crispy the winning score will be high single digits.
As I mentioned in opening post, we have an annual golf outing to Pinehurst . As a result I Have played Pinehurst # 2 18 times .
Most recently we were one of the last groups to play the course before they shut it down for the US Open Tournament Participants. So the set up , with the wire grass in the Native Area was pretty much like the tournament. The greens were 11 on the stimp so no quite the 13.5 they are playing, but close enough.
What I find interesting is the Pros are hitting the same approach distances for the Par 4 as our group was and as a result the wire grass Native Area comes into play for them on their drives. Pros using much more lofted irons, and of course the Tips are set well back on my scorecard listed at 7588. 16 which plays as par 5 for regular play is a very long and difficult par 4 for the Pros. The Pro Par 3 distances are brutal because so much danger around the green comes in play even for them. The two Par 5s are easy for the Pros.
We play a modified scramble. Use best drive and everyone play their own ball in.
. We play the Whites , listed at 6307 . Single Digit handicapper's can enjoy the course from that distance provided they listen to the caddies.
Having course knowledge is huge . Knowing where not to go is vital as those turtle back greens are very difficult when approached from the wrong places. Have personally experienced many of the bad shots are the greens that the Pros are making. The False Fronts destroy a lot of what seem like excellent approaches , however if you go too long on a lot of holes , Triple Bogey or worse can easily comes into play as you can ping pong the green.
Muggsy , I agree with your assessment. Breaking 100 is very difficult , especially if you keep legitimate score and count all strokes. The greens are just too tough to put and chip on. 3 putts are the norm. The Pine straw makes it difficult as well. I watched Koepka scull one over the green on the par 3 9th today from the pine straw ( although JT had the same shot and put it right by the hole)
Tower from your description of your Michigan scores I agree with your assessment that you would score well from the appropriate tees. With good caddies you would be fine because you would have shots into the green that you could control. Putting and Chipping will still be tough. From the Tips it is a much different course with danger everywhere and much harder to land ball on greens with longer irons unless you hit the ball pro distances. Hole number 4 is brutal from the whites , into a prevailing wind , with side hill lines into a severely sloped green, playing 434 from whites and 528 from Pro Tees. Is the number 1 handicap hole on the card and has been second hardest hole so far in tournament.
Lenny, I have played with a lot of folks listed as 15 handicappers in our event, and the vast majority of their scores are double bogey or worse, with a handful of bogeys and a rare par. So breaking 100 for them would be a real challenge. 110 to 120 is realistic ( with no gimmes or circle of friends putting scenarios.
Well written, Herman. My point about short game orientation is this. My default club for just about any shot inside 100 yards is my 56 degree wedge. I mentioned the Loop has having similar characteristics because inside 30 yards you almost have to abandon the lob wedge and use a hybrid/7 iron/ putter. The last time I was there I got stubborn about it and developed the yips with my 56 degree.
If I were to play Pinehurst, I would need to practice the hybrid or putter from 20 yards and up out of the greenside swales. Not how my brain sees those shots, but what the course requires.
I hope the greens are a little firmer today.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 14, 2024, 10:30:28 PM
It seems the USGA is doing everything it can to make sure the course stays playable. If they don't let the course get crispy the winning score will be high single digits.
As I mentioned in opening post, we have an annual golf outing to Pinehurst . As a result I Have played Pinehurst # 2 18 times .
Most recently we were one of the last groups to play the course before they shut it down for the US Open Tournament Participants. So the set up , with the wire grass in the Native Area was pretty much like the tournament. The greens were 11 on the stimp so no quite the 13.5 they are playing, but close enough.
What I find interesting is the Pros are hitting the same approach distances for the Par 4 as our group was and as a result the wire grass Native Area comes into play for them on their drives. Pros using much more lofted irons, and of course the Tips are set well back on my scorecard listed at 7588. 16 which plays as par 5 for regular play is a very long and difficult par 4 for the Pros. The Pro Par 3 distances are brutal because so much danger around the green comes in play even for them. The two Par 5s are easy for the Pros.
We play a modified scramble. Use best drive and everyone play their own ball in.
. We play the Whites , listed at 6307 . Single Digit handicapper's can enjoy the course from that distance provided they listen to the caddies.
Having course knowledge is huge . Knowing where not to go is vital as those turtle back greens are very difficult when approached from the wrong places. Have personally experienced many of the bad shots are the greens that the Pros are making. The False Fronts destroy a lot of what seem like excellent approaches , however if you go too long on a lot of holes , Triple Bogey or worse can easily comes into play as you can ping pong the green.
Muggsy , I agree with your assessment. Breaking 100 is very difficult , especially if you keep legitimate score and count all strokes. The greens are just too tough to put and chip on. 3 putts are the norm. The Pine straw makes it difficult as well. I watched Koepka scull one over the green on the par 3 9th today from the pine straw ( although JT had the same shot and put it right by the hole)
Tower from your description of your Michigan scores I agree with your assessment that you would score well from the appropriate tees. With good caddies you would be fine because you would have shots into the green that you could control. Putting and Chipping will still be tough. From the Tips it is a much different course with danger everywhere and much harder to land ball on greens with longer irons unless you hit the ball pro distances. Hole number 4 is brutal from the whites , into a prevailing wind , with side hill lines into a severely sloped green, playing 434 from whites and 528 from Pro Tees. Is the number 1 handicap hole on the card and has been second hardest hole so far in tournament.
Lenny, I have played with a lot of folks listed as 15 handicappers in our event, and the vast majority of their scores are double bogey or worse, with a handful of bogeys and a rare par. So breaking 100 for them would be a real challenge. 110 to 120 is realistic ( with no gimmes or circle of friends putting scenarios.
It's not that hard
Molinari making the cut on the number in the most glorious way possible.
Quote from: tower912 on June 15, 2024, 07:31:15 AM
Molinari making the cut on the number in the most glorious way possible.
Just proves how easy this course is
Ha.
I've spent the last two days in a corporate tent on 15 and get to spend the next two there as well. Amazing, the number of great shots that turn into bad shots due to not being able to stay on, especially on the front of 15 green.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 14, 2024, 07:15:32 PM
He's one of the good guys.
Tony finau qualified for his very first PGA event at my son's course-fire ridge in Grafton wisconsin firing a 7 under 64 when he was 17 years old
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on June 15, 2024, 07:45:21 AM
I've spent the last two days in a corporate tent on 15 and get to spend the next two there as well. Amazing, the number of great shots that turn into bad shots due to not being able to stay on, especially on the front of 15 green.
you dog you! that's fantastic! enjoy!!
Quote from: Lighthouse 84 on June 15, 2024, 07:45:21 AM
I've spent the last two days in a corporate tent on 15 and get to spend the next two there as well. Amazing, the number of great shots that turn into bad shots due to not being able to stay on, especially on the front of 15 green.
I have seen it said that on this course they need a new stat. GVIR. Greens visited in regulation.
Enjoy.
Not thrilled the USGA is going to a rota system, but seeing Pinehurst every 5-7 years will be nice. Just a proper test in every sense.
Really hope the renovations at Oakmont prove the same. Always been a classic USGA course but had gotten kind of dull. Really can't wait to see it
Quote from: tower912 on June 15, 2024, 07:31:15 AM
Molinari making the cut on the number in the most glorious way possible.
Good thing, too. He's really taking advantage of having made the cut!
Finau is done.
A final group of Bryson and Rory with a little cushion on the field would be a win win for me. Let's hope Rory finishes strong.
Bryson is absolutely DIALED in though. Since that bogey, he's been an animal
And Aberg is done at the exact same hole in the exact same way as Finau.
Bryson is playing great. But, I can't bring myself to root for him.
If Cantlay and Bryson are in the final group, they will finish at least one hole behind the group in front of them. Maybe 2.
Quote from: tower912 on June 15, 2024, 05:30:12 PM
Finau is done.
Quote from: tower912 on June 15, 2024, 05:57:38 PM
And Aberg is done at the exact same hole in the exact same way as Finau.
13 is a great example of why this course has triple bogey lurking on many holes.
Seems like a short par 4 birdie hole. The tee shot is actually tough as it gets very narrow in the landing area . If a player gets in the bunker its super hard to hold the green.
Aberg and Finau played the whole the same way resort guests do , ping ponging and getting Triple
Bryson has the crowd behind him and will be hard to beat . His game around the greens is in solid form . My guess is he goes below par again which will mean some one from the 4 under group will have to shoot a 65 to win.
If for some reason Bryson has a train wreck hole or two, a player from back of the field could post an early good score and win.
Quote from: Herman Cain on June 15, 2024, 10:51:34 PM
13 is a great example of why this course has triple bogey lurking on many holes.
Seems like a short par 4 birdie hole. The tee shot is actually tough as it gets very narrow in the landing area . If a player gets in the bunker its super hard to hold the green.
Aberg and Finau played the whole the same way resort guests do , ping ponging and getting Triple
Bryson has the crowd behind him and will be hard to beat . His game around the greens is in solid form . My guess is he goes below par again which will mean some one from the 4 under group will have to shoot a 65 to win.
If for some reason Bryson has a train wreck hole or two, a player from back of the field could post an early good score and win.
I've played 36 rounds at Pinehurst #2 - from the tips every time, of course - and have yet to do worse than birdie that hole.
Quote from: tower912 on June 15, 2024, 05:57:38 PM
Bryson is playing great. But, I can't bring myself to root for him.
That's too bad, but he'll be the overwhelming favorite of the crowd today. Big personality, big game - on his way to becoming the USA's most popular player.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 16, 2024, 08:12:01 AM
That's too bad, but he'll be the overwhelming favorite of the crowd today. Big personality, big game - on his way to becoming the USA's most popular player.
Fans love winners. If this new fan-friendly personality of his is legit and, mostly, if he continues to be really, really good at golf, he'll be very popular. I've enjoyed watching him this week.
Justin Thomas is, by most accounts, a good guy who interacts with fans well. He was popular for a minute ... until he stopped being one of the best players on tour. So we'll see. Golf's a tough game, and very few golfers remain among the best for years and years.
DeChambeau also chose to play on a tour that limits his exposure, for better or worse.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 16, 2024, 08:12:01 AM
That's too bad, but he'll be the overwhelming favorite of the crowd today. Big personality, big game - on his way to becoming the USA's most popular player.
Yet is employed by an arm of a repressive foreign government whose aim is to dismantle the system that has built professional golf in this country.
Lenny, if he hadn't defected, I would probably be able to enjoy his growing up, maturing, embracing the role of showman and embracing the crowd. I did not like the younger, less mature version. When he went to LIV, it guaranteed it would take me longer to warm to him. If ever.
He is playing beautifully through 3 rounds.
Krank golf is going to sell some drivers.
Quote from: tower912 on June 16, 2024, 08:39:28 AM
Lenny, if he hadn't defected, I would probably be able to enjoy his growing up, maturing, embracing the role of showman and embracing the crowd. I did not like the younger, less mature version. When he went to LIV, it guaranteed it would take me longer to warm to him. If ever.
He is playing beautifully through 3 rounds.
Krank golf is going to sell some drivers.
Bryson has replaced Phil as the games phoniest showman. Bryson has admitted he watched videos to learn how to celebrate and play to the crowd. One thing has always been true, fans are idiots and believe anything. Bryson talks about Payne Stewart as an inspiration, seeing photos of him from his SMU days on campus and working out in the Payne Stewart building when they didn't have pics of Payne up and the building didn't exist when he was there.
The redemption tour he is on is predictable. Sports media does this better than anyone, overlooking his past as someone who treated tour officials, event volunteers and the general public poorly, if not downright terribly.
He took money from a regime who is using golf to try and worm its way into international graces. He willingly walked into this and bemoans what golf has become but doesn't think him or his compatriots who took Saudi money are the ones at fault. He's wearing the hot dog suit.
He's all that and an incredible golfer who appears capable of winning multiple majors as he moves forward. The public is embracing him but they embraced Phil for decades thinking the country club kid was the Everyman people's champ, a true family man when that was never the case.
I think he'll win today because he's been the best golfer this week and a deserving champ but redeemed and becoming the face of American golf? Well, that's a commentary for a deeper discussion.
Yes, at this point, there is a too-good-to-believe component to DeChambeau's act. One doesn't go from scowling dirtbag to beloved figure overnight. But I'm a big benefit-of-the-doubt guy, and some people DO change. So we'll see, over time, how this all works for him.
And again, as far as popularity goes, I'll stick to the "if he golfs well" caveat. There have been lots of legit nice guys on the tour but few remained truly popular when their scores became elevated.
Will there be words between Rory and Cantlay? Will Cantlay slow play Rory off his game? Or will Rory use his dislike of Cantlay as fuel? How far behind will the last two groups be as far as pace? Will the crowd 'USA' Rory?
If Bryson sticks to fairways and greens, nobody catches him.
Quote from: tower912 on June 16, 2024, 11:25:23 AM
Will there be words between Rory and Cantlay? Will Cantlay slow play Rory off his game? Or will Rory use his dislike of Cantlay as fuel? How far behind will the last two groups be as far as pace? Will the crowd 'USA' Rory?
If Bryson sticks to fairways and greens, nobody catches him.
I think the tournament ended yesterday barring Bryson fully embracing becoming his generations FIGJAM
You guys are just jealous you didn't think of soaking golf balls in epsom salt first.
Quote from: MU82 on June 16, 2024, 11:01:16 AM
Yes, at this point, there is a too-good-to-believe component to DeChambeau's act. One doesn't go from scowling dirtbag to beloved figure overnight. But I'm a big benefit-of-the-doubt guy, and some people DO change. So we'll see, over time, how this all works for him.
And again, as far as popularity goes, I'll stick to the "if he golfs well" caveat. There have been lots of legit nice guys on the tour but few remained truly popular when their scores became elevated.
As far as I remember, he was never a douche to fans/kids/crowds, he was just a weirdo. Officials and other players? Yea, no love lost at times. But he's getting praise for the former which doesn't seem like the biggest turnabout, IMO.
But you're not wrong about popularity, I can't think of many athletes with immense popularity that weren't at or near the top of their game. And his quirky approach to golf would go from interesting/quirky to annoying for many, right or wrong, if he stops playing well. I mean, some old basketball coach once said..."When I was losing, they called me nuts. When I was winning they called me eccentric"
Quote from: tower912 on June 16, 2024, 08:39:28 AM
Krank golf is going to sell some drivers.
I may have spoken too soon. Flattened the face of his gamer on the practice range and is using a back up for the final round.
The USA USA chants for DeChambeau crack me up. He plays for the Saudi tour, not the US-based tour, and his choice to do so cost him a chance to represent the USA in the Olympics.
If Rory catches or passes him today, the fans will be plenty geeked about that, too ... even if they don't chant USA USA.
Two low amateurs are in the same group . They are clearly having some fun competing with each other.
9th hole could be very interesting when the leaders come around to it. Pin position absolutely brutal. Very little landing area, hole location on a severe left to right slope.
Rory second shot at 5 classic Pinehurst. Hits an excellent shot and rolls off the green into the Native Area with a very difficult shot next .
Quote from: MU82 on June 16, 2024, 02:04:40 PM
The USA USA chants for DeChambeau crack me up. He plays for the Saudi tour, not the US-based tour, and his choice to do so cost him a chance to represent the USA in the Olympics.
If Rory catches or passes him today, the fans will be plenty geeked about that, too ... even if they don't chant USA USA.
Fans are idiots. Golf fans might be the biggest idiots
Rory with an incredible shot at 9 and converted birdie. Provides some momentum .
Tough final hole for Clanton had 5 feet to tie for Low Am and 3 putted.
That's a heck of a par for Bryson.
Quote from: cheebs09 on June 16, 2024, 03:18:12 PM
That's a heck of a par for Bryson.
Championship quality putt.
Wow Rory
Bryson not rattled keeps producing.
Rory putter is his friend...Wow again
"Choke" is an overused word. But that was one effen choke job by Rory. He can only watch and hope now.
Quote from: MU82 on June 16, 2024, 05:32:28 PM
"Choke" is an overused word. But that was one effen choke job by Rory. He can only watch and hope now.
That's some Mickelson Sunday at the US Open choke job
Quote from: MU82 on June 16, 2024, 05:32:28 PM
"Choke" is an overused word. But that was one effen choke job by Rory. He can only watch and hope now.
Rory snatched Defeat from The Jaws of Victory. Unfortunate.
I had no idea there was such a connection between Bryson and Stewart
He couldn't have hit more than 1 or 2 fairways today
I've just been informed that that was a complete gag job.
Rory blowing off media is weak sauce. Norman, FIGJAM and Van de Velde all faced the media after they blew majors. Just soft.
He doesn't owe us or the media anything but man, that's a bad look
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 16, 2024, 05:49:22 PM
I've just been informed that that was complete gag job.
Hard to finish out the win in any sport, but to be that close and lose has to be devastating for Rory. I guess on to Troon for one last chance this year.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 16, 2024, 05:49:22 PM
I've just been informed that that was complete gag job.
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Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 16, 2024, 05:59:40 PM
Rory blowing off media is weak sauce. Norman, FIGJAM and Van de Velde all faced the media after they blew majors. Just soft.
He doesn't owe us or the media anything but man, that's a bad look
maybe he just needed a hug from his...wife?
Quote from: MU82 on June 16, 2024, 06:36:53 PM
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I have now seen the replay of Rory's putts from the 16th and 18th greens . That was bad......and by bad I mean a catastrophic dumpster 🔥. Were those both 3 feet??? Incredible. And De Charcuterie won this tournament with how many fairways hit? 5 of 14?
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 16, 2024, 05:59:40 PM
Rory blowing off media is weak sauce. Norman, FIGJAM and Van de Velde all faced the media after they blew majors. Just soft.
He doesn't owe us or the media anything but man, that's a bad look
Terrible. Very disappointing to hear this.
https://x.com/JustinRayGolf/status/1802462581271220521?t=oaSKH0_B-44Km2ZAbyUk1g&s=19
That was prior to 16
Quote from: jesmu84 on June 16, 2024, 08:28:21 PM
https://x.com/JustinRayGolf/status/1802462581271220521?t=oaSKH0_B-44Km2ZAbyUk1g&s=19
That was prior to 16
Beyond belief.
That was a great bunker shot and par from BDC on 18.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 16, 2024, 07:27:01 PM
Terrible. Very disappointing to hear this.
The ugly American's chanting USA, USA, USA.... immediately after Rory missed his putt at 18 were embarrassing and whether that was one of the reasons Rory declined to speak, I don't know, but it would be understandable. The chant continued while he attempted to putt out. The Golf Channel didn't really elaborate on the chants, so they did the same thing as Rory not commenting on the tournament. It was ridiculous.
The Open's are my favorite golf events and the scene at the Bristish Open where ALL the players are welcomed with strong ovations as they approach the 18th green is one of the great spectacles in international competition. I hope the fans attending the Bristish Open continue that this year, but who knows what the reaction will be.
This wasn't the Ryder Cup, but when you combine alcohol, testosterone and Billy Bob's......
Welcome to North Cackalacky.
Funny segment with John Wagner and Bryson
https://www.golfdigest.com/story/us-open-2024-bryson-dechambeau-helps-johnson-wagner-bunker-shot-hands-him-trophy-live-tv-video/amp
Quote from: TedBaxter on June 17, 2024, 06:33:39 AM
The ugly American's chanting USA, USA, USA.... immediately after Rory missed his putt at 18 were embarrassing and whether that was one of the reasons Rory declined to speak, I don't know, but it would be understandable. The chant continued while he attempted to putt out. The Golf Channel didn't really elaborate on the chants, so they did the same thing as Rory not commenting on the tournament. It was ridiculous.
I kind of give Rory a pass here. He's been a consummate pro for 15 years. Gave some of the best and most honest interviews in defeat in Majors (specifically remembering the one at the Masters which portended his role as one of the faces of the PGA) and has never shied away from media duties. The chants and the emotional whirlwind in his personal life over the last month or so probably just overwhelmed him. I fully expect an apology and frankness from him sometime this week.
Quote from: TedBaxter on June 17, 2024, 06:33:39 AM
The ugly American's chanting USA, USA, USA.... immediately after Rory missed his putt at 18 were embarrassing and whether that was one of the reasons Rory declined to speak, I don't know, but it would be understandable. The chant continued while he attempted to putt out. The Golf Channel didn't really elaborate on the chants, so they did the same thing as Rory not commenting on the tournament. It was ridiculous.
The Open's are my favorite golf events and the scene at the Bristish Open where ALL the players are welcomed with strong ovations as they approach the 18th green is one of the great spectacles in international competition. I hope the fans attending the Bristish Open continue that this year, but who knows what the reaction will be.
This wasn't the Ryder Cup, but when you combine alcohol, testosterone and Billy Bob's......
I didn't know that but I still think it's a bad look.
https://nypost.com/2024/06/17/sports/rory-mcilroys-abrupt-us-open-exit-draws-scott-van-pelt-criticism/
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 17, 2024, 08:36:37 AM
I didn't know that but I still think it's a bad look.
It's fine as long as he addresses it candidly this week, like Wags said. His personal life has been kind of a mess, he had a really rough finish to the tournament, and the PGA fucked him with the LIV dealings. I'm willing to give the guy a break here.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 16, 2024, 05:59:40 PM
Rory blowing off media is weak sauce. Norman, FIGJAM and Van de Velde all faced the media after they blew majors. Just soft.
He doesn't owe us or the media anything but man, that's a bad look
Total weak sauce. Anyone can be gracious in victory, how you act at your lowest moment is a much better measure of a man. Rory had earned a lot of good guy capital over the years but imo he spent it all yesterday.
The idea that he doesn't owe anything to the fans or the media is nonsense. The money, fame and adulation didn't come in a vacuum.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 17, 2024, 03:03:51 PM
Total weak sauce. Anyone can be gracious in victory, how you act at your lowest moment is a much better measure of a man. Rory had earned a lot of good guy capital over the years but imo he spent it all yesterday.
The idea that he doesn't owe anything to the fans or the media is nonsense. The money, fame and adulation didn't come in a vacuum.
Yeah. Totally classless to not answer the media's questions. Out of all good graces, can never forgive the guy and will never support him again.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/24/media-blocked-white-house-briefing-sean-spicer
Quote from: withoutbias on June 17, 2024, 03:35:13 PM
Yeah. Totally classless to not answer the media's questions. Out of all good graces, can never forgive the guy and will never support him again.
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/feb/24/media-blocked-white-house-briefing-sean-spicer
WTF???
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 17, 2024, 03:03:51 PM
Total weak sauce. Anyone can be gracious in victory, how you act at your lowest moment is a much better measure of a man. Rory had earned a lot of good guy capital over the years but imo he spent it all yesterday.
The idea that he doesn't owe anything to the fans or the media is nonsense. The money, fame and adulation didn't come in a vacuum.
He didn't bludgeon someone with his putter. He skipped out on a media obligation. It's a mistake and he should apologize. Suggesting years of goodwill ought to be flushed down the drain because ... checks notes ... he didn't want to answer questions minutes after his most crushing defeat?
Nonsense.
Were you this harsh when a certain former Marquette coach blew off Homer, as he was wont to do after a loss?
Rory is taking a few weeks off to process things.
Quote from: MuggsyB on June 17, 2024, 08:43:58 PM
Rory is taking a few weeks off to process things.
Here is Rory's post on the matter
https://x.com/McIlroyRory/status/1802808477271630075?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1802808477271630075%7Ctwgr%5E313e6b3a1a96d3971529f5f869ce02629b23670d%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fathlonsports.com%2Fgolf%2Frory-mcilroy-makes-his-opinion-of-bryson-dechambeau-very-clear-after-classless-u-s-open-behavior
Zero issues with him not being available for the media. Not only is he not obligated, I think it's a lot to ask someone who just blew it to show up and answer how he feels about just blowing it. Stay and congratulate Bryson, probably, talk to the media, nah. And, I'm not even really a Rory guy.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 17, 2024, 04:31:09 PM
He didn't bludgeon someone with his putter. He skipped out on a media obligation. It's a mistake and he should apologize. Suggesting years of goodwill ought to be flushed down the drain because ... checks notes ... he didn't want to answer questions minutes after his most crushing defeat?
Nonsense.
Were you this harsh when a certain former Marquette coach blew off Homer, as he was wont to do after a loss?
Who accused him of bludgeoning someone with a putter? Who in the history of professional golf has ever done it?
This was one of golf's 4 majors. A press conference for national TV. One that many others in similar circumstances have been man enough to endure. Comparing it to a local radio show after a regular season college basketball game is absurd. Not a good look for Buzz, true. But on an entirely different level. Did he ever pull a no show for the press conference after an NCAA tournament loss? Rory just ducked his after the equivalent of the National Championship game, ffs.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 17, 2024, 04:31:09 PM
He didn't bludgeon someone with his putter. He skipped out on a media obligation. It's a mistake and he should apologize. Suggesting years of goodwill ought to be flushed down the drain because ... checks notes ... he didn't want to answer questions minutes after his most crushing defeat?
Nonsense.
Were you this harsh when a certain former Marquette coach blew off Homer, as he was wont to do after a loss?
Yep. It's not like he yelled at the course officials on the way out. Some just need to give him a little grace, IMO.
I am NOT A FAN of Rory by any means but strictly from a what would I have done standpoint, I find it hard to blame him(rory) for his post open actions. I totally get lenny's response, but maybe a "cool down" would've been appropriate.
someone close to him should have taken him aside and talked him off the ledge for an hour or so, then maybe a short response and then allow him some more space. hell, I'm still groveling over a missed 3 footer in a member-member tournament 3 years ago that might have cost me entrance in to a shoot out for a few thousand$$
He released a nice statement on Twitter yesterday.
https://x.com/mcilroyrory/status/1802808477271630075?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
That's all that was needed. The idea that he owes the fans an appearance at a press conference is a bit much.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on June 18, 2024, 06:31:34 AM
He released a nice statement on Twitter yesterday.
https://x.com/mcilroyrory/status/1802808477271630075?s=46&t=ppua9BCUAa7dWM9-SthPmg
That's all that was needed. The idea that he owes the fans an appearance at a press conference is a bit much.
Yea, as I predicted (though it wasn't exactly a bold leap). The time off makes a lot of sense. His personal life was heavy and distracting enough without a soul crushing collapse to end his major drought. Hope he comes back firing for The Open
Lenny
I do not disagree with you completely, but I am giving Rory a bit of pass on this one. I have mixed feelings on how I feel about Rory and am hardly a diehard fan of him. That said, his off-course body of work indicates that he is a decent guy. I do agree that he should have made himself available for a short time and followed the lead of others that have blown a major. I definitely think the pro-Bryson and USA chants probably did not help his attitude after the round.
Quote from: Goose on June 18, 2024, 10:24:54 AM
Lenny
I do not disagree with you completely, but I am giving Rory a bit of pass on this one. I have mixed feelings on how I feel about Rory and am hardly a diehard fan of him. That said, his off-course body of work indicates that he is a decent guy. I do agree that he should have made himself available for a short time and followed the lead of others that have blown a major. I definitely think the pro-Bryson and USA chants probably did not help his attitude after the round.
This is where I'm at. And I can't blame him for being a little extra hurt by the fans so openly rooting for Bryson. I think as far as Rory sees it, he put a ton of personal capital into the PGA-LIV split, and for the fans to get behind a generally unlikable guy who also took the money and ran, I don't blame him for having an f-u attitude.
:-X
Quote from: Goose on June 18, 2024, 10:24:54 AM
Lenny
I do not disagree with you completely, but I am giving Rory a bit of pass on this one. I have mixed feelings on how I feel about Rory and am hardly a diehard fan of him. That said, his off-course body of work indicates that he is a decent guy. I do agree that he should have made himself available for a short time and followed the lead of others that have blown a major. I definitely think the pro-Bryson and USA chants probably did not help his attitude after the round.
The USA chants were an absolute embarrassment. The idiocy and irony of those fans is so off the charts. Bethpage Ryder Cup is going to be an American disgrace.
I wonder if Bryson hanging out with Eric Trump has ruffled any feathers amongst his new fans.
Quote from: Goose on June 18, 2024, 12:38:59 PM
I wonder if Bryson hanging out with Eric Trump has ruffled any feathers amongst his new fans.
Nice of Bryson to hang out with charity cases
He's always been a phony. Going to LIV didn't change that.
Good golfer though.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on June 18, 2024, 12:46:58 PM
Nice of Bryson to hang out with charity cases
Just a couple bros who benefit from Saudi oil money.
Irish goodbye.
Quote from: Pakuni on June 18, 2024, 01:55:24 PM
Just a couple bros who benefit from Saudi oil money.
Good influence peddling money, aina?
Quote from: Goose on June 18, 2024, 10:24:54 AM
Lenny
I do not disagree with you completely, but I am giving Rory a bit of pass on this one. I have mixed feelings on how I feel about Rory and am hardly a diehard fan of him. That said, his off-course body of work indicates that he is a decent guy. I do agree that he should have made himself available for a short time and followed the lead of others that have blown a major. I definitely think the pro-Bryson and USA chants probably did not help his attitude after the round.
Goose
I actually like Rory and have always rooted for him. And while the double choke was stunning it afforded him an opportunity to shine afterwards under extremely difficult circumstances. IMO blowing that chance will be a stain on his reputation.
Imagine this board if Bryson was the one with the double choke followed by a press conference no show. The same folks giving Rory a pass would be celebrating it as proof of everything awful they've ever said about him.
Quote from: MU82 on June 18, 2024, 02:29:28 PM
Why?
good question...he just doesn't seem like an approachable guy. he seems like the type that NEEDS the fawning media attention in order to perform. I have a funny feeling when the cameras are off, he becomes a real richard
Lenny
If it was Bryson hiding from the media I would be more critical. That would be based off of his overall career success and nothing else. Now, I am buying the new Bryson just yet, but that would not have factored in my feelings. Bryson has had a nice career, better now, but not apples to my apples to Rory.
All that said, I love when anyone faces the music and believe it is the right way of handling things. Rory should have handled differently, but he didn't. Character is exposed in tough times and Rory had been pretty good in tough times in the past. That is why he gets a bit of a pass from me.
Quote from: rocket surgeon on June 18, 2024, 07:44:20 PM
good question...he just doesn't seem like an approachable guy. he seems like the type that NEEDS the fawning media attention in order to perform. I have a funny feeling when the cameras are off, he becomes a real richard
Hmm.
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 18, 2024, 06:54:37 PM
Goose
I actually like Rory and have always rooted for him. And while the double choke was stunning it afforded him an opportunity to shine afterwards under extremely difficult circumstances. IMO blowing that chance will be a stain on his reputation.
Imagine this board if Bryson was the one with the double choke followed by a press conference no show. The same folks giving Rory a pass would be celebrating it as proof of everything awful they've ever said about him.
So, people are willing to cut more slack to a player with a reputation for being a good dude than a player with a reputation for being a bit of a jerk?
Quote from: Lennys Tap on June 18, 2024, 06:54:37 PM
Goose
I actually like Rory and have always rooted for him. And while the double choke was stunning it afforded him an opportunity to shine afterwards under extremely difficult circumstances. IMO blowing that chance will be a stain on his reputation.
Imagine this board if Bryson was the one with the double choke followed by a press conference no show. The same folks giving Rory a pass would be celebrating it as proof of everything awful they've ever said about him.
Because if Bryson was the one who did it, it would be another in a long line of instances where he's acted immaturely professionally. With Rory, it's a mistake by a seemingly good dude. Of course the reaction is different. It should be.
Jon Rahm on dificulty of Rorys missed putt on 18
https://x.com/thegolfeditor/status/1803543211450741099?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Etweet
Quote from: BM1090 on June 18, 2024, 10:12:25 PM
Because if Bryson was the one who did it, it would be another in a long line of instances where he's acted immaturely professionally. With Rory, it's a mistake by a seemingly good dude. Of course the reaction is different. It should be.
Very well said.