Father in law, brother in law, boss all graduates of NC State and nephew a current student. Keeping the peace. Go NC State!
UConn.
Get the Big East yet another natty.
UConn. Keep things in the BE family.
Quote from: Nukem2 on April 04, 2024, 08:55:07 AM
UConn. Keep things in the BE family.
Damn straight!!!
Don't really care about the conference affiliation, but UCONN winning would win me $700 so I'll go with that.
If NC State hadn't beat us, I'd enjoy that team.
Prefer not Purdue, but they're not the worst.
Definitely not Nate Oates. Would rather root for a coaching staff of Bob Huggins, Rick Pitino, Tom Izzo, Will Wade, and Bruce Pearl.
I'd also like to see the Purdue-UConn matchup in the finals to see what Hurley can come up with to contain Edey.
Quote from: wisblue on April 04, 2024, 09:12:25 AM
I'd also like to see the Purdue-UConn matchup in for finals to see what Hurley can come up with to contain Edey.
I'm going to go out on a limb and state that if it's a UConn Purdue match up it will be the most watched final game since MSU-ISU
Purdue (went to high school in Indy, followed Purdue then and almost went there)
UConn (go BEast, and I've come to appreciate Hurley)
NC State (is it consolation to have lost to the ultimate champ?...actually, that would be the case with Purdue and UConn too!)
Alabama (no, just no)
Going for Big East. More $$$ for programs
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on April 04, 2024, 10:13:05 AM
Going for Big East. More $$$ for programs
I believe that tournament credits stop after the Elite 8.
Quote from: WellsstreetWanderer on April 04, 2024, 10:13:05 AM
Going for Big East. More $$$ for programs
I'm rooting for a big East win for sure. Conference status. Ut I thought someone said after Elite 8 there are no more money units going to the conference. So Big East has about $22 m coming.
Quote from: wadesworld on April 04, 2024, 10:18:29 AM
I believe that tournament credits stop after the Elite 8.
Yes.
I saw this on the UConn Boneyard.
2024 NCAA Tournament payouts by conference.
https://twitter.com/novy_williams/status/1774775387072971043?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1774775387072971043%7Ctwgr%5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=
1. UConn
Go Big East!
2. Anybody but Purdue
Keep the B1G streak alive!
3. Bama > NC State
It would be such a gut punch to watch NC State cut down the nets after our dreadful shooting performance. It's already bad enough Marquette fumbled a golden chance at a Final Four.
Would like to see UConn win and would enjoy a matchup between them and Purdue.
No to NC State or Bama but I don't think we will have to worry about either of them.
UConn. But I really want to see Edey battle Clingan.
UCONN!
Quote from: tower912 on April 04, 2024, 10:55:42 AM
UConn. But I really want to see Edey battle Clingan.
Must see TV.
Riding w/UConn. Go Big East.
Boilers give me the best chance of winning money from my kids and wife.
A Purdue win will help Marquette's cause
Screw Uconn and Purdue, but the matchup would be the most interesting for sure.
Heat death of the universe.
But if I have to choose, I guess it's Uconn. Not like their fans are going to get more insufferable.
Don't care at all ...
It's hard to watch after MU blew their best chance at a FF in 20 years
Quote from: Mu8891 on April 04, 2024, 06:02:53 PM
Don't care at all ...
It's hard to watch after MU blew their best chance at a FF in 20 years
It's definitely upsetting and difficult to watch. I will automatically root for UCONN and against Purdue but your point is well taken.
Nah, screw UConn. The more success they have, the more dominant they will be forever.
First there was Nova, sucking up all the oxygen in the conference, now it's UConn. Great, great.
Yes, unfortunately it isn't MU who is sucking up all the oxygen when Nova Jay Wright left.
Quote from: mu_hilltopper on April 04, 2024, 07:06:27 PM
Nah, screw UConn. The more success they have, the more dominant they will be forever.
First there was Nova, sucking up all the oxygen in the conference, now it's UConn. Great, great.
My thinking, though, is that if Hurley wins two in a row in dominant fashion, he might think about moving to the NBA (maybe not right away, but for such a competitive/driven guy, you wonder if he'll at some point feel like he wants to take on the next challenge).
Conversely, if Hurley wins another one and stays, my guess is that would just make Shaka all the more driven--he thrives/motivates best when he is an underdog.
Purdue because Paint's the man and I got my PhD there. BTFU!!!!
Hoping Purdue - UConn final..otherwise will be a blowout.
I think if it's somehow ends up UConn - nc state, it will be the biggest blowout of all time. Nc state could play the game of their lives and still lose by 30.
Quote from: Brian0230 on April 05, 2024, 01:07:00 AM
Hoping Purdue - UConn final..otherwise will be a blowout.
I think if it's somehow ends up UConn - nc state, it will be the biggest blowout of all time. Nc state could play the game of their lives and still lose by 30.
Or UCONN could shoot 12% from 3s. >:(
Purdue, UConn are on the same level as MU in how much they care about hoops, so either of those two. It would be funny to see the B10 lose again.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 05, 2024, 12:37:26 PM
Or UCONN could shoot 12% from 3swhile shooting 30% more threes than normal. >:(
Quote from: wisblue on April 04, 2024, 09:12:25 AM
I'd also like to see the Purdue-UConn matchup in the finals to see what Hurley can come up with to contain Edey.
This. Edey hasn't gone up against a defender like Clingan. It would be pretty fascinating to see how both teams approach this.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 05, 2024, 12:45:41 PM
Purdue, UConn are on the same level as MU in how much they care about hoops, so either of those two. It would be funny to see the B10 lose again.
Why do you care if the B10 loses again? I don't think even B10 fanbases are cheering for other B10 teams, and I think most of them hate Edey and Purdue anyway.
I never want to see rivals win anything, especially conference rivals. Let them all lose. Hopefully in a spectacularly painful way. Twist that knife.
Quote from: WhiteTrash on April 05, 2024, 12:37:26 PM
Or UCONN could shoot 12% from 3s. >:(
Will the ball be grossly overinflated again?
Quote from: BrewCity83 on April 05, 2024, 02:27:59 PM
Will the ball be grossly overinflated again?
Will UCONN fail to shake their hands?
Quote from: MU82 on April 05, 2024, 01:51:56 PM
This. Edey hasn't gone up against a defender like Clingan. It would be pretty fascinating to see how both teams approach this.
That would be a great matchup; definitely 2 of the best 3 teams all year. Can't ask for much more since MU didn't accept its invite to the party.
The Clingan-Edey matchup is very compelling. Neither often runs into people with similar size and ability. My one concern from UConn's standpoint would be if Clingan picks up two quick fouls. I would hope the refs let them play as you could call fouls on every possession I'm sure. Clingan has, at times, had a propensity to get two early. Aside from that, I feel pretty confident that UConn's lineup overall is stronger, and they really don't have a weak spot at any position.
Quote from: StillWarriors on April 05, 2024, 05:29:27 PM
That would be a great matchup; definitely 2 of the best 3 teams all year. Can't ask for much more since MU didn't accept its invite to the party.
The Clingan-Edey matchup is very compelling. Neither often runs into people with similar size and ability. My one concern from UConn's standpoint would be if Clingan picks up two quick fouls. I would hope the refs let them play as you could call fouls on every possession I'm sure. Clingan has, at times, had a propensity to get two early. Aside from that, I feel pretty confident that UConn's lineup overall is stronger, and they really don't have a weak spot at any position.
Good point on possible fouls. If Edey can do to Clingan what he has done t numerous centers he's faced - get him in foul trouble - it definitely could change the game.
I agree about UConn not having weak spots, but I'd bet the difference in UConn's metrics this season with and without Clingan on the court is pretty telling. (Maybe Scoopers who know how to get such stats will chime in.)
Quote from: Nutty on April 05, 2024, 01:54:07 PM
Why do you care if the B10 loses again? I don't think even B10 fanbases are cheering for other B10 teams, and I think most of them hate Edey and Purdue anyway.
I never want to see rivals win anything, especially conference rivals. Let them all lose. Hopefully in a spectacularly painful way. Twist that knife.
When you are told by many B10 fans that Marquette plays in a "mid major" conference, you don't mind when they lose every championship game.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 06, 2024, 05:42:16 AM
When you are told by many B10 fans that Marquette plays in a "mid major" conference, you don't mind when they lose every championship game.
Agreed.
Quote from: MUDPT on April 06, 2024, 05:42:16 AM
When you are told by many B10 fans that Marquette plays in a "mid major" conference, you don't mind when they lose every championship game.
Well stated
Quote from: MUMountin on April 04, 2024, 11:18:03 PM
My thinking, though, is that if Hurley wins two in a row in dominant fashion, he might think about moving to the NBA (maybe not right away, but for such a competitive/driven guy, you wonder if he'll at some point feel like he wants to take on the next challenge).
Conversely, if Hurley wins another one and stays, my guess is that would just make Shaka all the more driven--he thrives/motivates best when he is an underdog.
Then he better start getting guys that can compete with UConn
We didn't this year.
27-6. MU's record against teams not playing for the national championship. That is a really good record.
Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2024, 07:33:06 AM
27-6. MU's record against teams not playing for the national championship. That is a really good record.
27-5 against teams who didn't play in the Final Four. Should we hang a banner?
Yes it was a good season but we fell short 3x against the elites and lost to an inferior State team.
4 times. MU was clearly a top 10 yeam and an argument can be made for top 5. A good season.
Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2024, 08:40:14 AM
4 times. MU was clearly a top 10 yeam and an argument can be made for top 5. A good season.
Yes, BET too. And we went down in one of our worst performances in years when we could have made it better than just a good season.
Quote from: HutchwasClutch on April 07, 2024, 08:44:12 AM
Yes, BET too. And we went down in one of our worst performances in years when we could have made it better than just a good season.
It wasn't even the worst performance this year.
Quote from: tower912 on April 07, 2024, 08:40:14 AM
4 times. MU was clearly a top 10 yeam and an argument can be made for top 5. A good season.
Now that the excitement and anticipation of NC State's run has ended with a convincing loss, I wonder if anyone who said last week that they would rather have had NC State's season than Marquette's would have second thoughts in that.
I think my perspective in this is affected significantly by being a season ticket holder.
If I'm going to spend the money, time, and emotional energy to attend 15 plus games a year, I want those games to be entertaining and competitive, and have some significance toward a higher goal, like an NCAA tournament run or a conference championship.
For the last 3 years I feel like I've gotten that (in varying degrees) even if the seasons have had a disappointing ending. I like being confident that the team is going to make the NCAA tournament well before Selection Sunday instead of being a bubble team all season or, even worse, knowing well before March that the only way to make the field is an unlikely conference tournament title.
I also prefer having a team with a mix of players who have either been in the program for a few years or have the possibility of being on the team for 2 or 3 years over one made up entirely of transfers who won't be in the program for more than 1 or 2 years at most.
Being a Marquette season ticket holder the last 3 years has been a great sports entertainment value.
Quote from: wisblue on April 07, 2024, 09:29:48 AM
Now that the excitement and anticipation of NC State's run has ended with a convincing loss, I wonder if anyone who said last week that they would rather have had NC State's season than Marquette's would have second thoughts in that.
I think my perspective in this is affected significantly by being a season ticket holder.
If I'm going to spend the money, time, and emotional energy to attend 15 plus games a year, I want those games to be entertaining and competitive, and have some significance toward a higher goal, like an NCAA tournament run or a conference championship.
For the last 3 years I feel like I've gotten that (in varying degrees) even if the seasons have had a disappointing ending. I like being confident that the team is going to make the NCAA tournament well before Selection Sunday instead of being a bubble team all season or, even worse, knowing well before March that the only way to make the field is an unlikely conference tournament title.
I also prefer having a team with a mix of players who have either been in the program for a few years or have the possibility of being on the team for 2 or 3 years over one made up entirely of transfers who won't be in the program for more than 1 or 2 years at most.
Being a Marquette season ticket holder the last 3 years has been a great sports entertainment value.
I was a season ticket holder for 30 years so I completely understand your perspective and even though I'm no longer a season ticket holder, I agree with you. Watching teams grow together over the years (Oso, Stevie, Kim, Tyler, etc.) sure beats watching a bunch of mercenaries come together at the end of the season and go on a run. Especially knowing you're going to start over next year.
That does not mean that you can't bring in the occasional transfer to fill a need if he fits your culture.
Quote from: wisblue on April 07, 2024, 09:29:48 AM
Now that the excitement and anticipation of NC State's run has ended with a convincing loss, I wonder if anyone who said last week that they would rather have had NC State's season than Marquette's would have second thoughts in that.
I think my perspective in this is affected significantly by being a season ticket holder.
If I'm going to spend the money, time, and emotional energy to attend 15 plus games a year, I want those games to be entertaining and competitive, and have some significance toward a higher goal, like an NCAA tournament run or a conference championship.
For the last 3 years I feel like I've gotten that (in varying degrees) even if the seasons have had a disappointing ending. I like being confident that the team is going to make the NCAA tournament well before Selection Sunday instead of being a bubble team all season or, even worse, knowing well before March that the only way to make the field is an unlikely conference tournament title.
I also prefer having a team with a mix of players who have either been in the program for a few years or have the possibility of being on the team for 2 or 3 years over one made up entirely of transfers who won't be in the program for more than 1 or 2 years at most.
Being a Marquette season ticket holder the last 3 years has been a great sports entertainment value.
In the past 3 years, I'd have rather have been NC State this week. Would rather have been MU the other 2 years, 11 months, and 3 weeks.
Quote from: wiscwarrior on April 07, 2024, 09:44:38 AM
I was a season ticket holder for 30 years so I completely understand your perspective and even though I'm no longer a season ticket holder, I agree with you. Watching teams grow together over the years (Oso, Stevie, Kim, Tyler, etc.) sure beats watching a bunch of mercenaries come together at the end of the season and go on a run. Especially knowing you're going to start over next year.
That does not mean that you can't bring in the occasional transfer to fill a need if he fits your culture.
Why wouldn't a transfer want to come here if our fans are going to label them "mercenaries?"
Quote from: CountryRoads on April 07, 2024, 10:14:41 AM
In the past 3 years, I'd have rather have been NC State this week. Would rather have been MU the other 2 years, 11 months, and 3 weeks.
Yep. I would have taken MU's season last year and NC State's this year. No doubt.
Quote from: wisblue on April 07, 2024, 09:29:48 AM
Now that the excitement and anticipation of NC State's run has ended with a convincing loss, I wonder if anyone who said last week that they would rather have had NC State's season than Marquette's would have second thoughts in that.
I think my perspective in this is affected significantly by being a season ticket holder.
If I'm going to spend the money, time, and emotional energy to attend 15 plus games a year, I want those games to be entertaining and competitive, and have some significance toward a higher goal, like an NCAA tournament run or a conference championship.
For the last 3 years I feel like I've gotten that (in varying degrees) even if the seasons have had a disappointing ending. I like being confident that the team is going to make the NCAA tournament well before Selection Sunday instead of being a bubble team all season or, even worse, knowing well before March that the only way to make the field is an unlikely conference tournament title.
I also prefer having a team with a mix of players who have either been in the program for a few years or have the possibility of being on the team for 2 or 3 years over one made up entirely of transfers who won't be in the program for more than 1 or 2 years at most.
Being a Marquette season ticket holder the last 3 years has been a great sports entertainment value.
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Let me put a different spin on this.
Lets say that in 2020 or 2021, Wojo went on a run in NYC, won the conference tournament and went to the Final Four and got a contract extension? Would you have been happy with that?
In essence, that is what happened with NC State. Keats' record at NCST is 139-94 and 63-68 in the ACC. Wojo was 128-95 and 59-68 in the BE.
With this magical run, per his contract, he automatically gets a contract extension of 2 years. He is losing a lot of production to graduation and has a challenge ahead of him to rebuild. Will he be able to do it? If not, what will this program look like in a year or two?
And yes, making a Final 4 is remarkable and something every program strives for. Maybe we all would make the deal with the devil and trade two more years of Wojo for a Final 4 run, but there are costs on the back end to consider.
Quote from: IrwinFletcher on April 07, 2024, 11:02:19 AM
Quote from: wisblue on April 07, 2024, 09:29:48 AM
Now that the excitement and anticipation of NC State's run has ended with a convincing loss, I wonder if anyone who said last week that they would rather have had NC State's season than Marquette's would have second thoughts in that.
I think my perspective in this is affected significantly by being a season ticket holder.
If I'm going to spend the money, time, and emotional energy to attend 15 plus games a year, I want those games to be entertaining and competitive, and have some significance toward a higher goal, like an NCAA tournament run or a conference championship.
For the last 3 years I feel like I've gotten that (in varying degrees) even if the seasons have had a disappointing ending. I like being confident that the team is going to make the NCAA tournament well before Selection Sunday instead of being a bubble team all season or, even worse, knowing well before March that the only way to make the field is an unlikely conference tournament title.
I also prefer having a team with a mix of players who have either been in the program for a few years or have the possibility of being on the team for 2 or 3 years over one made up entirely of transfers who won't be in the program for more than 1 or 2 years at most.
Being a Marquette season ticket holder the last 3 years has been a great sports entertainment value.
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Let me put a different spin on this.
Lets say that in 2020 or 2021, Wojo went on a run in NYC, won the conference tournament and went to the Final Four and got a contract extension? Would you have been happy with that?
In essence, that is what happened with NC State. Keats' record at NCST is 139-94 and 63-68 in the ACC. Wojo was 128-95 and 59-68 in the BE.
With this magical run, per his contract, he automatically gets a contract extension of 2 years. He is losing a lot of production to graduation and has a challenge ahead of him to rebuild. Will he be able to do it? If not, what will this program look like in a year or two?
And yes, making a Final 4 is remarkable and something every program strives for. Maybe we all would make the deal with the devil and trade two more years of Wojo for a Final 4 run, but there are costs on the back end to consider.
Kevin Keatts has surpassed the John Brady and Richard Williams Memorial Final 4 Huh Coach
Aka, coaches fired shortly after making a Final 4
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 07, 2024, 10:44:57 AM
Why wouldn't a transfer want to come here if our fans are going to label them "mercenaries?"
Good point. Poor choice of words. I was probably trying to distinguish between those players who have a long term commitment to a program and those who are at a school for only one season. Visions of A.J. Storrs must have danced through my head. :)
There's a difference between filling a spot or two vs. turning over half of your roster.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 07, 2024, 10:45:45 AM
Yep. I would have taken MU's season last year and NC State's this year. No doubt.
Do you realize that that is not at all what the poster you're quoting said?
Out of curiosity, how many Marquette games do you attend every year?
Quote from: wisblue on April 07, 2024, 02:10:13 PM
Do you realize that that is not at all what the poster you're quoting said?
Out of curiosity, how many Marquette games do you attend every year?
I guess I didn't understand completely.
1 or 2. Why does that matter?
It's only fitting that Purdue is playing for a natty on the same day as a major event involving the moon. Destiny.
Go, UConn.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 07, 2024, 02:25:35 PM
I guess I didn't understand completely.
1 or 2. Why does that matter?
As I said above, I think someone who attends virtually every home game is more likely to want those games to be entertaining and meaningful, and they aren't as much fun when the team isn't even winning enough to meet the relatively low bar of earning an NCAA at large bid.
I would have taken Maquette's season over NC State's....right up to the point that NC State beat Duke to make the Final Four. I am generally a regular season is more relevant when judging a season kind of guy, but the line for me is Final Four. I'd take a DePaul regular season if it meant we blitz through the BET and on to the Final Four. I go to virtually every home game and a few road games a season.
Quote from: wisblue on April 07, 2024, 09:00:40 PM
As I said above, I think someone who attends virtually every home game is more likely to want those games to be entertaining and meaningful, and they aren't as much fun when the team isn't even winning enough to meet the relatively low bar of earning an NCAA at large bid.
NC State did not earn an at large bid. That's part of the fun end to their season.
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 08, 2024, 04:17:43 AM
NC State did not earn an at large bid. That's part of the fun end to their season.
But my point is that a season that isn't even good enough to earn an at large bid isn't much fun to follow.
The way I look at it, the Marquette season was 4 1/2 months of an entertaining regular season and conference tournament, one more week of enjoyment in the NCAA tournament reaching the Sweet 16, and then a disappointing end.
NC State fans had three weeks of enjoyment with the conference tournament run, reaching the Sweet 16, then reaching the Final Four, and then a disappointing end.
I'll take the four plus months of fun before the letdown over 3 weeks before the letdown. Especially when your team is going to have a major rebuild the next year.
But, I understand that some (if not most) fans, including you, have different priorities.
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 07, 2024, 10:57:42 PM
I would have taken Maquette's season over NC State's....right up to the point that NC State beat Duke to make the Final Four. I am generally a regular season is more relevant when judging a season kind of guy, but the line for me is Final Four. I'd take a DePaul regular season if it meant we blitz through the BET and on to the Final Four. I go to virtually every home game and a few road games a season.
That clearly defines the difference in opinions and priorities.
I would draw the line at winning the title.
The line would be different for me if the regular season was one in which making the NCAA tournament with an at large bid was always likely or at least a realistic possibility. Bubble seasons can be fun. DePaul seasons are never fun.
I enjoy MU wins. I accept MU losses. 56-17 is a nice two year run. I have difficulty thinking of a sweet 16 run as a disappointment.
Quote from: wisblue on April 08, 2024, 05:34:05 AM
But my point is that a season that isn't even good enough to earn an at large bid isn't much fun to follow.
The way I look at it, the Marquette season was 4 1/2 months of an entertaining regular season and conference tournament, one more week of enjoyment in the NCAA tournament reaching the Sweet 16, and then a disappointing end.
NC State fans had three weeks of enjoyment with the conference tournament run, reaching the Sweet 16, then reaching the Final Four, and then a disappointing end.
I'll take the four plus months of fun before the letdown over 3 weeks before the letdown. Especially when your team is going to have a major rebuild the next year.
But, I understand that some (if not most) fans, including you, have different priorities.
Your point is well taken. I am in your camp because it is also the way to build sustained success and get more bites at the apple. Shaka having a regular season Big East winning record is important. Big East tournament success is important. Ultimately this will lead to better recruiting and final fours. Which ultimately is way more entertaining than a flash in the pan final four run.
Quote from: MU82 on April 06, 2024, 12:18:38 AM
I agree about UConn not having weak spots, but I'd bet the difference in UConn's metrics this season with and without Clingan on the court is pretty telling. (Maybe Scoopers who know how to get such stats will chime in.)
Actually just read this amazing stat in The Athletic:
Per CBB Analytics; the Huskies score 20.1 more points per 100 possessions with Clingan on the floor ... while also allowing 15.3 fewer points per 100 possessions.If Eady can't get Clingan in foul trouble, Purdue is in trouble.
Quote from: MU82 on April 08, 2024, 11:42:56 AM
Actually just read this amazing stat in The Athletic:
Per CBB Analytics; the Huskies score 20.1 more points per 100 possessions with Clingan on the floor ... while also allowing 15.3 fewer points per 100 possessions.
If Eady can't get Clingan in foul trouble, Purdue is in trouble.
Clingan will have 2 by the first TV timeout. Edey won't have 2 all game
Neither semifinal game was called that way. A trend I would like to see continue.
Quote from: Uncle Rico on April 08, 2024, 11:52:39 AM
Clingan will have 2 by the first TV timeout. Edey won't have 2 all game
Of course, that'll have nothing to do with the players' actions. Reffing Edey has always been interesting
Quote from: MUDPT on April 06, 2024, 05:42:16 AM
When you are told by many B10 fans that Marquette plays in a "mid major" conference, you don't mind when they lose every championship game.
I don't know. Sounds like they live rent-free in your head, then. And, not minding when they lose every championship game is much different than being ecstatic about it. They're not MU's rivals, save for 1 of them. Purdue winning tonight should be decidedly 'meh'. Or, frankly, a great outcome compared to a rival winning.
Edey vs Clingan. Best big man match up in the finals since Ewing vs Olajuwon?
Quote from: tower912 on April 08, 2024, 04:14:41 PM
Edey vs Clingan. Best big man match up in the finals since Ewing vs Olajuwon?
Noah vs. Oden
Fair
Quote from: tower912 on April 08, 2024, 04:14:41 PM
Edey vs Clingan. Best big man match up in the finals since Ewing vs Olajuwon?
Others to consider:
Eric Montross vs Juwan Howard (1993)
Danny Manning vs Stacy King (1988)
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