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Title: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Don_Kojis on April 03, 2024, 01:52:38 PM
I wonder what happened?   Was there problems with personalities or?
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 03, 2024, 02:07:52 PM
Quote from: Don_Kojis on April 03, 2024, 01:52:38 PM
I wonder what happened?   Was there problems with personalities or?

Letter writing
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: tower912 on April 03, 2024, 02:08:23 PM
Too many trolls.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Pepe Sylvia on April 03, 2024, 02:19:14 PM
I know we lost our coach to penn state a few years ago, and Duffy a couple hours ago, I'd guess we're just not paying enough to retain coaching talent.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: brewcity77 on April 03, 2024, 02:25:24 PM
Quote from: Don_Kojis on April 03, 2024, 01:52:38 PM
I wonder what happened?   Was there problems with personalities or?

Virginia Tech bailed us out.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: MU gimp ONE on April 03, 2024, 02:28:38 PM
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on April 03, 2024, 02:19:14 PM
I know we lost our coach to penn state a few years ago, and Duffy a couple hours ago, I'd guess we're just not paying enough to retain coaching talent.

Duffy was hear for 5 years.  so it's not like it's a revolving door.  I would be willing to bet it's not pay, but maybe fan support.  we've been a tournament team the past couple years and outside of the UConn game, the AL is 25% full. 
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: MUfan12 on April 03, 2024, 02:36:41 PM
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 03, 2024, 02:25:24 PM
Virginia Tech bailed us out.

Bingo.

Outside of this group that just graduated, Duffy had a hard time recruiting and retaining talent. And the basketball was borderline unwatchable.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Mu8891 on April 03, 2024, 03:37:16 PM
Per a Friend ( former women's player at MU ) ... the Admin was not happy with her and the ( lack ) of achievement

MU apparently gives resources to
Women's hoops that is at or above almost any team in BE ( other than
UCONN ) ...

Her recruiting is / was lacking. No success in NCAAT


I think VT was an escape for her


MU should go hire the now former coach at TENN.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Don_Kojis on April 03, 2024, 04:35:46 PM
Maybe Mu can bring back Scott Merritt as coach.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 03, 2024, 04:55:12 PM
Quote from: Don_Kojis on April 03, 2024, 04:35:46 PM
Maybe Mu can bring back Scott Merritt as coach.

You might want to check out his overall record as a head coach before making that suggestion
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 03, 2024, 04:58:10 PM
We should hire Pat Summit's son.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: marqfan22 on April 03, 2024, 05:43:24 PM
I don't Penn State has made the big dance since  then either... maybe she'll come back?

:-*
Quote from: Pepe Sylvia on April 03, 2024, 02:19:14 PM
I know we lost our coach to penn state a few years ago, and Duffy a couple hours ago, I'd guess we're just not paying enough to retain coaching talent.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: GoldenWarrior11 on April 03, 2024, 07:51:27 PM
Would Kelli Harper actually be a candidate? 
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: muwarrior69 on April 03, 2024, 10:42:59 PM
The Mods never moved the Women's Basketball thread to the Al. Now we know the consequences.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Billy Hoyle on April 04, 2024, 09:23:25 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 03, 2024, 04:55:12 PM
You might want to check out his overall record as a head coach before making that suggestion

you mean his first year record after having to bring in 10 new players, mostly freshmen, and the only returners being two reserves, and not being a fully funded program?

Merritt would be an excellent hire for MU.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: The Sultan on April 04, 2024, 09:29:49 AM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 04, 2024, 09:23:25 AM
you mean his first year record after having to bring in 10 new players, mostly freshmen, and the only returners being two reserves, and not being a fully funded program?

Merritt would be an excellent hire for MU.

Hire the best available. Don't bring in someone just because he (or she) is an alum.

IMO there is no chance he would be considered for this role if he weren't for his previous connections to MU.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Uncle Rico on April 04, 2024, 09:45:45 AM
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 04, 2024, 09:29:49 AM
Hire the best available. Don't bring in someone just because he (or she) is an alum.

IMO there is no chance he would be considered for this role if he weren't for his previous connections to MU.

Perfect job for Brian Wardle
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 04, 2024, 10:04:57 AM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 04, 2024, 09:23:25 AM
you mean his first year record after having to bring in 10 new players, mostly freshmen, and the only returners being two reserves, and not being a fully funded program?

Merritt would be an excellent hire for MU.

Hows that mindset working for Villanova?
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: TSmith34, Inc. on April 04, 2024, 11:39:41 AM
Quote from: brewcity77 on April 03, 2024, 02:25:24 PM
Virginia Tech bailed us out.
What is the woman's equivalent of Wojo?

Wait, wait, wait...Wojo could be the equivalent of Wojo.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: pbiflyer on April 05, 2024, 08:01:15 AM
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on April 04, 2024, 11:39:41 AM
What is the woman's equivalent of Wojo?

Wait, wait, wait...Wojo could be the equivalent of Wojo.

Why do you hate the women's program? ;D
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: warriorchick on April 05, 2024, 08:05:15 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 04, 2024, 10:04:57 AM
Hows that mindset working for Villanova?

And how did it work for the post-All men's team?
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: The Sultan on April 05, 2024, 08:09:34 AM
Quote from: warriorchick on April 05, 2024, 08:05:15 AM
And how did it work for the post-All men's team?

Passing the torch to Raymonds made some sense.  Giving a clearly unprepared Majerus the job afterwards was a terrible decision.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Billy Hoyle on April 05, 2024, 09:01:19 AM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 04, 2024, 10:04:57 AM
Hows that mindset working for Villanova?

Unlike Neptune, Merritt has experience working at high major programs beyond just MU (Illinois and Bucky). I'm not too concerned about one year at Gardner-Webb where he had to bring in a whole new roster.  I'm not saying Merritt is the only guy who should be considered but he would be an excellent hire, IMO, if MU went that direction. He's a guy who knows Milwaukee, MU and the issues the program faces, and the Big East.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: The Sultan on April 05, 2024, 09:02:46 AM
Two terrible high major programs...

Again, not even in the discussion if he doesn't have a prior MU connection.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: WhiteTrash on April 05, 2024, 09:14:20 AM
Quote from: TSmith34, Inc. on April 04, 2024, 11:39:41 AM
What is the woman's equivalent of Wojo?

Wait, wait, wait...Wojo could be the equivalent of Wojo.
If "Wins No Matta" for the women's team, he's your man.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Mr. Nielsen on April 05, 2024, 09:37:54 AM
One would think Ginny Boggess would get a call.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: SonOfWarrior on April 05, 2024, 11:19:26 AM
Quote from: The Hippie Satan of Hyperbole on April 05, 2024, 09:02:46 AM
Two terrible high major programs...

Again, not even in the discussion if he doesn't have a prior MU connection.

So you're saying his consideration doesn't have much...merit
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: The Sultan on April 05, 2024, 11:22:35 AM
Quote from: SonOfWarrior on April 05, 2024, 11:19:26 AM
So you're saying his consideration doesn't have much...merit

You are scott-on with that comment.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: BrewCity83 on April 05, 2024, 11:56:18 AM
So if MU selects its next coach on the basis of meritocracy, you're saying Merritt won't have enough merit?
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: brewcity77 on April 05, 2024, 12:01:07 PM
https://www.anonymouseagle.com/2024/4/4/24121289/marquette-golden-eagles-womens-basketball-coaching-search-candidates
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 05, 2024, 03:36:31 PM
Quote from: Billy Hoyle on April 05, 2024, 09:01:19 AM
Unlike Neptune, Merritt has experience working at high major programs beyond just MU (Illinois and Bucky). I'm not too concerned about one year at Gardner-Webb where he had to bring in a whole new roster.  I'm not saying Merritt is the only guy who should be considered but he would be an excellent hire, IMO, if MU went that direction. He's a guy who knows Milwaukee, MU and the issues the program faces, and the Big East.

I think hiring someone whose biggest selling point on his resume is his alumni status is a poor strategy. Maybe it works out,  but I'd go with someone with better qualifications
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Shaka Shart on April 05, 2024, 05:07:14 PM
You have to make Dawn Staley say no. At least have to make the call.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Scoop Snoop on April 05, 2024, 06:02:53 PM
Saw Duffy on a Roanoke VA station a bit ago. Rattled on quite a while and seemed pumped. She said that she was impressed with the NIL in place at VT.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: PuertoRicanNightmare on April 05, 2024, 06:20:32 PM
Is Sister Maria available?
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Viper on April 05, 2024, 08:29:59 PM
Quote from: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 05, 2024, 03:36:31 PM
I think hiring someone whose biggest selling point on his resume is his alumni status is a poor strategy. Maybe it works out,  but I'd go with someone with better qualifications
Is MU considered a good job...able to attract top coaches? I ask not knowing. As for Scott, can't hurt to talk. Scott  knows women's basketball, the intricacies of the women's game. And, I think he brings significant credibility having played at a high level. Different game, but regardless, he's done it. Unless he has zero personality or just has no clue on management of a women's program, how to recruit, how to work with administrators, alums, boosters...which I doubt, can't hurt to have a conversation.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: TAMU, Knower of Ball on April 05, 2024, 09:28:09 PM
Quote from: Viper on April 05, 2024, 08:29:59 PM
Is MU considered a good job...able to attract top coaches? I ask not knowing. As for Scott, can't hurt to talk. Scott  knows women's basketball, the intricacies of the women's game. And, I think he brings significant credibility having played at a high level. Different game, but regardless, he's done it. Unless he has zero personality or just has no clue on management of a women's program, how to recruit, how to work with administrators, alums, boosters...which I doubt, can't hurt to have a conversation.

Oh he'll for sure be interviewed as a courtesy.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: oldwarrior81 on April 05, 2024, 09:45:26 PM
The state of Wisconsin also has produced a top ten recruit each of the last two seasons.  Not really surprising, they both chose UConn.
Although even a great program at MU probably would not have landed KK Arnold over UConn.

They did land the poy from 2022 in La Chappell, but she transferred to Belmont after one year.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: cheebs09 on April 05, 2024, 10:12:27 PM
Quote from: Scoop Snoop on April 05, 2024, 06:02:53 PM
Saw Duffy on a Roanoke VA station a bit ago. Rattled on quite a while and seemed pumped. She said that she was impressed with the NIL in place at VT.

They didn't use the blonde, female version of Scott Monarch for a photo did they?
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Marquette Fan on April 06, 2024, 02:16:13 PM
Quote from: Mr. Nielsen on April 05, 2024, 09:37:54 AM
One would think Ginny Boggess would get a call.
It has been reported that MU has contacted her.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Marquette Fan on April 06, 2024, 02:19:06 PM
Quote from: oldwarrior81 on April 05, 2024, 09:45:26 PM
The state of Wisconsin also has produced a top ten recruit each of the last two seasons.  Not really surprising, they both chose UConn.
Although even a great program at MU probably would not have landed KK Arnold over UConn.

They did land the poy from 2022 in La Chappell, but she transferred to Belmont after one year.

And there was something very odd about La Chappell's departure.  By the time she entered the portal, she wasn't immediately eligible to play this season.  She did end up playing part way through this season for Belmont after the lawsuit ruling against the NCAA.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Marquette Fan on April 06, 2024, 02:29:43 PM
Quote from: Viper on April 05, 2024, 08:29:59 PM
Is MU considered a good job...able to attract top coaches? I ask not knowing. As for Scott, can't hurt to talk. Scott  knows women's basketball, the intricacies of the women's game. And, I think he brings significant credibility having played at a high level. Different game, but regardless, he's done it. Unless he has zero personality or just has no clue on management of a women's program, how to recruit, how to work with administrators, alums, boosters...which I doubt, can't hurt to have a conversation.

It's a decent job I'd say but not a premier job in my opinion.  The Big East in Women's Basketball is a lot weaker than it is for men's basketball.  And the BE for women's basketball is basically UCONN at the top and everyone else battling for second place.  Even with injuries decimating UCONN's team this season, no one came close to them in BE play and they easily went undefeated in conference play again and won the BET very easily.  The BE women switched to an unblalanced schedule this season with 18 games and playing two opponents only once - one on the road and one at home.  And this seems to have been done so UCONN could play two more non-conference games to get tougher opponents - they played Xavier and Butler once which made sense especially Xavier who hasn't won a league game in over two years.

I don't really know salary figures but know that Kieger and Duffy both got decent pay increases when they left for P5 schools.  But I'm with the others in this thread who have said VT bailed us out.  She left MU with not much of a roster unfortunately and this is going to be one heck of a rebuild job :(.

The Al is 20 years old now so not sure what the facilities are thought of at MU.

As for Scott Merritt, I would rather not see him considered.  Ginny Boggess who was an assistant at MU when Kieger was here and Alison Pohlman from Drake are two coaches that seem like possible good fits and I've heard MU has contacted both.  Carly Thibault-Didonis is a young promising coach at 32 and have heard they've reached out to her also.  Some other names I've heard don't excite me as much.  But I have nothing to do with the coaching search of course :) .
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Marquette Fan on April 06, 2024, 02:37:24 PM
And Duffy's highest rated recruit signed was due to play here this fall - she announced she was reopening her recruitment shortly after it was announced Duffy was going to VT - https://x.com/kayl_petersen/status/1775632414485696807
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Don_Kojis on April 06, 2024, 04:56:55 PM
I would think Mu should name a coach soon.  The roster is bare and perhaps a number of transfers are needed.  The longer they wait, the less
players are available.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Marquette Fan on April 06, 2024, 06:19:37 PM
Quote from: Don_Kojis on April 06, 2024, 04:56:55 PM
I would think Mu should name a coach soon.  The roster is bare and perhaps a number of transfers are needed.  The longer they wait, the less
players are available.

They moved quickly last year and named Duffy the head coach officially one week after Kieger left.  Kieger was announced as the head coach at Penn State on Wed April 3, 2019 and Duffy was named MU coach Wed April 10, 2019.  I remember hearing that Scholl went to the Women's Final 4 that was April 5th and 7th that year just like this year to do interviews.  I think the focus was probably on Duffy right away - not sure if he interviewed anyone besides her. 

Duffy left MU 5 years to the day Kieger left MU and if the pattern follows again a new coach will be named on Wed April 10th :) .  I doubt it will end up being that day but I expect them to move quickly again as Scholl is very aware of the state of the roster of course.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: TedBaxter on April 06, 2024, 09:16:51 PM
Quote from: Marquette Fan on April 06, 2024, 02:16:13 PM
It has been reported that MU has contacted her.

I also hope they contact another name on the Anonymous Eagle list, Carly Thibault-Dudonis.  Was recruiting coordinator and assistant at Florida State, Mississippi State and Minnesota and her assistant husband was the head womens coach for 3 years at UW-River Falls while she was Minnesota.  Her dad Mike was an assistant for the Bucks from 1998-2002 when she was 7-11 years old, so she probably lived in the Milwaukee area at that time and the Thibault name is a big name in the WNBA.

Sorry, didn't see the post above that she may have been contacted.
Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Marquette Fan on April 06, 2024, 09:40:54 PM
Quote from: TedBaxter on April 06, 2024, 09:16:51 PM
I also hope they contact another name on the Anonymous Eagle list, Carly Thibault-Dudonis.  Was recruiting coordinator and assistant at Florida State, Mississippi State and Minnesota and her assistant husband was the head womens coach for 3 years at UW-River Falls while she was Minnesota.  Her dad Mike was an assistant for the Bucks from 1998-2002 when she was 7-11 years old, so she probably lived in the Milwaukee area at that time and the Thibault name is a big name in the WNBA.

Her brother is also the Mystics coach now - took over for her Dad when he retired.  According to a poster on the MU Women's Bball thread on the superbar, MU did contact her.

Her husband is also the one who broke the news on twitter in 2019 that ESPN had leaked the Women's bracket accidentally a few hours ahead of the selection show - https://x.com/BlakeDuDonis/status/1107728155182284801

Title: Re: What happened to the women's program
Post by: Marquette Fan on April 07, 2024, 11:21:16 AM
2 of the 3 signees for 2024 have reopened their recruitment and there are 6 returning players on the roster for now as far as I know.  There's also a 2025 verbal commit who reopened her recruitment after Duffy left.
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